In order to read a .pdf file, you have to download Acrobat Reader. It is FREE and there is no obligation to buy anything or deal with ads. Most new systems come pre-installed with it. Anyhow, here is the link: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Discette and all other U.S. Masters entry form wonderers:

The Adobe software team is exceptionally lame. Whenever they roll a new verison of Adobe Acrobat, the software used to create the pdf files, the old version of the free Adobe Reader program blows up horribly. It seems simple enough to fix from a developers perspective. It's your file, your software should be able to look at the version number inside when opening it and see that it is newer than the version that is trying to read. A helpful pop-up that says "The file was created with a newer version of Acrobat. Please download the new version of our free Reader at Adobe.com" Other developers do this, but not Adobe.

With Adobe Reader, when you try to open a later version file with an older version Reader, it dies horribly with a cryptic error message. The message chages from version to version, but it always looks like a bad file. The solution is to visit adobe.com and download the latest version of the free Reader program.

pdf files are very prevalent on the web. You will need this upgrade anyway, so just go get it. It's free.

Thanks Ryan and Rhett, that is what I thought.

It is free and it is so simple even I can do it.

Thanks Ryan and Rhett, that is what I thought.

It is free and it is so simple even I can do it.


Anything for you, Suzette! XOXOXOX

Discette and all other U.S. Masters entry form wonderers:

The Adobe software team is exceptionally lame. Whenever they roll a new verison of Adobe Acrobat, the software used to create the pdf files, the old version of the free Adobe Reader program blows up horribly. It seems simple enough to fix from a developers perspective. It's your file, your software should be able to look at the version number inside when opening it and see that it is newer than the version that is trying to read. A helpful pop-up that says "The file was created with a newer version of Acrobat. Please download the new version of our free Reader at Adobe.com" Other developers do this, but not Adobe.

With Adobe Reader, when you try to open a later version file with an older version Reader, it dies horribly with a cryptic error message. The message chages from version to version, but it always looks like a bad file. The solution is to visit adobe.com and download the latest version of the free Reader program.

pdf files are very prevalent on the web. You will need this upgrade anyway, so just go get it. It's free.




then why just NOT USE adobe to make flyers???

how about something else??

i have used word for making flyers and it is something that comes alreay loaded on 99.99999999999999999999999% of computers sold and you never have to worry about an upgrade...

the flyer mostly only has words on it anyways :p

No, Microsoft Word does not come on 99.9999999% of all computers sold. MS Word also is not free. It is very expensive to buy. Some systems come bundled with it, but not even "most" Windows machines sold come with it.

Also, if you create a doc file with Word 7.0, I'm pretty sure Word 5 or 6 can't open it. (I think was Office2000 that this happened on.) So you still have the same issues there as well.

So what does pdf have going for it? It's pretty much an Internet Standard. The Reader program is free and is available for pretty much all computers and OSs. It prints really well, meaning that what you print with whatever settings you have your computer on will look like the original. Oh, and it's free. :)

Yea , thanks Rhett.

My Adobe reader is on the blink.

Is it possible to send me a copy of the entry form , through a PM ?

My Adobe reader is on the blink.


Go......to......adobe.com......and......download.. ....the......FREE......upgrade......to......Adobe. .....Reader.

Just like you had to do the last time you couldn't open a SoCal entry form. :)

I didn't make the form. I don't have a different version than the one on the website. Mine crashed, too, when I first tried to view/print it. I updated the viewer for free. It opens just fine now.

Discette,

Did you know that "Suzette Discette Simons" jumbled up spells:

Scientist used Zest to me, and Miss Destitute Sect zone? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave -
No I wasn't aware of that. What anagram generator do you use?

The one I have seen doesn't make such good phrases: Wordsmith (http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html)

What's an anagram creator?

Well, whatever it is, it sounds complicated. I just like to jumble up the letters to make new phrases.

What's an anagram creator?



Simply click on the link and all will be explained.

Cool !!!!!

Anagram for Disc Golf .

GCD IF SOL
GCD IF LOS
GCD FOILS
GCD FLO SI
GCD FLO IS
GCD FLOS I
SIGCLD OF
DISC GOLF
DISC FLOG
CLOD FIGS
COLD FIGS
CLODS FIG
SCOLD FIG
COLDS FIG
FISC GOLD
FLOC DIGS

GCD IF slo. ;)

Frisbee Gold - FISC GOLD

Discette,

Can you find the 3 differences between the two photos? Look closely /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<EMBED src="http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/Zoeken.swf" ALIGN="Bottom" WIDTH=700 HEIGHT=400 autostart="true" hidden="false" loop="false">
<noembed><bgsound src="http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/Zoeken.swf" loop="n"></noembed>

Nice try, but that's old.

What's with the Dracula chick ?

Whats the correlation ? :confused:

Jack -

Sorry to imply that You and Keith don't always see eye to eye with Michelle. Did you want to talk about the power of prayer with Michelle again? We all know Keith and Michelle are best buds. That's why she thinks he wears glasses.



Suzette: do you think Jack should pray for this guy? After all, he was president of the church... http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/28/victims.son/index.html

do you think Jack should pray for this guy? After all, he was president of the church...



Jack has the right to pray for anyone he wants. Just like you have the right not to pray.

do you think Jack should pray for this guy? After all, he was president of the church...



Jack has the right to pray for anyone he wants. Just like you have the right not to pray.



thanks susette
i totally agree with your assement of the situation,i don't know where that came from but for some reason everytime michelle see's something anti-church in the news a image of me pops into her head :D

thats ok i still love her /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Suzette,

I hate to be a pain, but is there any chance of the Summertime Open being un-cancelled? Michelle reports that they unveiled the new layout at last month's monthly, so it sounds like the course is completely playable. I'm having a hard time understanding why the event was dumped.

There's a tourney in the blistering heat of Tucson that weekend, so I would hate to commit to that only to have Summertime come back.

Thanks.

do you think Jack should pray for this guy? After all, he was president of the church...



Jack has the right to pray for anyone he wants. Just like you have the right not to pray.



thanks susette
i totally agree with your assement of the situation,i don't know where that came from but for some reason everytime michelle see's something anti-church in the news a image of me pops into her head :D

thats ok i still love her /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Suzette, I wholeheartedly agree... but nice dodging of the question on your part and Jack's too. Jack, I'm against organized man made religions, not you personally. I just like to see what people will say.. but alas, they only dodge and are unable to answer questions like this... or don't want to admit that "No, this guy doesn't deserve anything but what he's dishing out..." or something along those lines. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif FTR: I still like you too. (Love is reserved for those I love) :D

Suzette, I wholeheartedly agree... but I'm against organized man made religions



Suzette,

It's been a while since my last philosophy of logic class, but one can infer based on the above premise that Michelle is in favor of non-man made religions. Further inference reveals that she may also be a proponent of a higher being. Does this prove the existence of God in Michelle's mind?

Suzette, I wholeheartedly agree... but nice dodging of the question on your part and Jack's too. Jack, I'm against organized man made religions, not you personally. I just like to see what people will say.. but alas, they only dodge and are unable to answer questions like this... or don't want to admit that "No, this guy doesn't deserve anything but what he's dishing out..." or something along those lines. FTR: I still like you too. (Love is reserved for those I love)



Michelle,

Thanks for noticing how well I avoided answering the question. I am not comfortable debating religion or politics in a public forum. However, one of the great things about living in this country is that you and Jack are entitled to your religious and political opinions whether or not anyone else agrees with them.

Your original question presumes that someone is not entitled to be prayed for because they have committed unspeakable acts and are not remorseful. Some people would never want to give up hope that this guy could be saved through the power of prayer even if it seemns to be a lost cause. Maybe that is why it is called faith.

I hate to be a pain, but is there any chance of the Summertime Open being un-cancelled? Michelle reports that they unveiled the new layout at last month's monthly, so it sounds like the course is completely playable. I'm having a hard time understanding why the event was dumped.



Well, the potential tournament directors are the ones who cancelled the event. I do not know the complete reasoning behind this. I will check again to see if there is any chance of getting the Summertime Open back on the schedule.

However, there is still hope for a course at Wrightwood, and if that happens, this weekend would be a good time to hold the tournament. So, you wouldn't have to go sweat in Tucson (sorry Keith).

Again, this is all just wishful thinking at this point in time. I will keep everyone posted on the status of Wrightwood and the Summertime Open.

Suzette,

It's been a while since my last philosophy of logic class, but one can infer based on the above premise that Michelle is in favor of non-man made religions. Further inference reveals that she may also be a proponent of a higher being. Does this prove the existence of God in Michelle's mind?



Well, I never took a philosophy of logic class, but I think you may be reading too much into this one sentence. You can read about Michelle's views on God, organized religion and her beliefs on the following thread: Pray for Florida (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=232245&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

I hate to be a pain, but is there any chance of the Summertime Open being un-cancelled? Michelle reports that they unveiled the new layout at last month's monthly, so it sounds like the course is completely playable. I'm having a hard time understanding why the event was dumped.



Well, the potential tournament directors are the ones who cancelled the event. I do not know the complete reasoning behind this. I will check again to see if there is any chance of getting the Summertime Open back on the schedule.

However, there is still hope for a course at Wrightwood, and if that happens, this weekend would be a good time to hold the tournament. So, you wouldn't have to go sweat in Tucson (sorry Keith).

Again, this is all just wishful thinking at this point in time. I will keep everyone posted on the status of Wrightwood and the Summertime Open.



hey....leave your tournament(s) cancelled that weekend :D

and for the record there isn't blistering heat at that time of the year.....just searing heat(about 5 degrees cooler :D)

my question for suzette:

if you guys are going to work against me, why am i a socal member and support several socal events yearly with participation and helping at tourney central???? :p

see everyone in september at us masters that doesn't want to come to tucson for great payouts and a good time
keith

Suzette, I wholeheartedly agree... but I'm against organized man made religions



Suzette,

It's been a while since my last philosophy of logic class, but one can infer based on the above premise that Michelle is in favor of non-man made religions. Further inference reveals that she may also be a proponent of a higher being. Does this prove the existence of God in Michelle's mind?



In a nutshell, I believe in God, Angels AND the Universe; but I also believe he does NOT have the ability (or just doesn't care) to answer each and every prayer.

But to show you I have a sense of humor about it (sometimes), I'll post the following (which I find hysterical!):

<font color="blue">God's Total Quality Management Questionnaire
</font>
God would like to thank you for your belief and patronage. In order to better serve your needs, He asks that you take a few moments to answer the following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions.


1. How did you find out about God?

___ Newspaper

___ Bible

___ Torah

___ Koran

___ Book of Mormon

___ Other Book

___ Television

___ Divine Inspiration

___ Word of mouth

___ Dead Sea scrolls

___ My mama done tol' me

___ Near Death Experience

___ National Public Radio

___ Tabloid

___ Burning Shrubbery

___ Who?

___ Other (specify): _____________


2. Which model God did you acquire?

___ Yahweh

___ Jehovah

___ Allah

___ Just plain God

___ Krishna

___ Father, Son & Holy Ghost (Trinity Pak)

___ Zeus and entourage (Olympus Pak)

___ Odin and entourage (Valhalla Pak)

___ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature

___ None of the above; I was taken in by a false god


3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts in good
working order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes?

__ Yes __ No

If no, please describe the problems you initially encountered here.

(Please check all that apply.)

___ Not eternal

___ Not omniscient

___ Not omnipotent

___ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the entire universe

___ Permits sex outside of marriage

___ Prohibits sex outside of marriage

___ Makes mistakes (Geraldo Rivera, Jesse Helms)

___When beseeched, doesn't stay beseeched

___ Requires burnt offerings

___ Requires virgin sacrifices

___ Plays dice with the universe


4. What factors were relevant in your decision to acquire a God?

(Please check all that apply.)

___ Indoctrinated by parents

___ Needed a reason to live

___ Indoctrinated by society

___ Needed target for rage

___ Imaginary friend grew up

___ Hate to think for self

___ Wanted to meet girls/boys

___ Fear of death

___ To [I'm a potty-mouth!] off parents

___ Needed a day away from work

___ Enjoy organ music

___ Needed focus on whom to despise

___ Needed to feel morally superior

___ Graduated from the tooth fairy

___ My shrubbery caught fire and told me to do it


5. Are you currently using any other source of inspiration
in addition to God?

(Please check all that apply.)

___ Self-help books

___ Tarot, Astrology

___ Star Trek re-runs

___ Fortune cookies

___ Ann Landers

___ Psychic Friends Network

___ Dianetics

___ Cold fusion

___ Playboy and/or Playgirl

___ Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll

___ Biorhythms

___ Area 57 (Art Bell)

___ EST

___ Television

___ Mantras

___ Jimmy Swaggart

___ Crystals (not including Crystal Gayle)

___ Human Sacrifice

___ Wandering around in desert

___ Burning shrubbery

___ Other:_____________________


6. Have you ever worshiped a false God before? Is so,
which false God were you fooled by?

(Please check all that apply.)

___ Odin

___ Cthulhu

___ Lottery

___ Baal

___ Beelzebub

___ The Almighty Dollar

___ The Conservative Right

___ Mick Jagger

___ Bill Gates

___ Art Bell

___ The Great Pumpkin

___ Ronald Reagan

___ A burning cabbage

___ Mushrooms

___ Other: ________________


7. God employs a limited degree of Divine Intervention to
preserve the balanced level of felt presence and blind faith.
Would you prefer (circle one only)

a. More Divine Intervention

b. Less Divine Intervention

c. Current level of Divine Intervention is just right

d. Don't know - what's Divine Intervention?

8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of
disasters and miracles. Please rate on a scale
of 1 to 5 God's handling of the following:

(1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent)

Disasters:

1 2 3 4 5 Flood

1 2 3 4 5 Famine

1 2 3 4 5 Earthquake

1 2 3 4 5 War

1 2 3 4 5 Pestilence

1 2 3 4 5 Plague

1 2 3 4 5 AOL

1 2 3 4 5 Republican Congress

1 2 3 4 5 Jerry Lewis

1 2 3 4 5 Dubya

1 2 3 4 5 My present relationship

1 2 3 4 5 My last relationship

Miracles:

1 2 3 4 5 Rescues

1 2 3 4 5 Spontaneous remissions

1 2 3 4 5 Crying statues

1 2 3 4 5 Water changing to wine

1 2 3 4 5 Walking on water

1 2 3 4 5 Stars hovering over towns

1 2 3 4 5 VCRs that set their own clocks

1 2 3 4 5 Clear and competent statements by the President

1 2 3 4 5 My present relationship

1 2 3 4 5 My last relationship


9. Please rate the following on a scale of 1 to 5

(1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent):

1 2 3 4 5 God's Courtesy

1 2 3 4 5 Answers to your prayers

12 3 4 5 Are your spiritual needs being met?

1 2 3 4 5 How are your shrubs doing?

10. Do you have any additional comments or suggestions
for improving the quality of God's services?
(Attach additional sheet(s) if necessary.)

if you guys are going to work against me, why am i a socal member and support several socal events yearly with participation and helping at tourney central????



Are you implying that you did not have a date for Monsoon Madness until after Summertime Open was cancelled? If so, then I am sorry. Trying to hold the Wrightwood tourney was not meant to slight you in any way. If the course is not in the ground in the next two weeks there will be no event at Wrightwood that weekend. I need a month to get sanctioning, permission, etc.

my question for suzette:

if you guys are going to work against me, why am i a socal member and support several socal events yearly with participation and helping at tourney central???? :p



Actually, that is more of a question for you, Keith. Don't ask Suzette why YOU do something, ask yourself, since she has no part in why you do it.

Too bad you didn't make the ballot for prez, you would've had my vote for sure! No offense to Suzette, I just think having an out-of-state prez would have been cool.

if you guys are going to work against me, why am i a socal member and support several socal events yearly with participation and helping at tourney central????



Are you implying that you did not have a date for Monsoon Madness until after Summertime Open was cancelled? If so, then I am sorry. Trying to hold the Wrightwood tourney was not meant to slight you in any way. If the course is not in the ground in the next two weeks there will be no event at Wrightwood that weekend. I need a month to get sanctioning, permission, etc.



i'm implying that you don't have a sense of humor :D

i had the date for the monsoon madness since novemvber of last year when it was put on the arizona cactus series calendar(in reality i've had the date since '04 event because it was the last weekend of august...which it also is again)

sorry to make it sound like i was upset....i'm not and except for harrassing rhett,i hope whoever wants to come does and whoever wants to play in the mountain(if it happens somewhere)saves me a spot in the event so i can come play where it is cooler :D

:D

Do Doubt Keith.........just a little bit cooler on the mountain.

Arizona folks are the best though !!!!!! :D

Arizona folks are the best though !!!!!!



Did you say that because you knew I was from Tucson?

This is ask Discette, not ask Donny :(

This is ask Discette, not ask Donny




Donny likes it! :p

This is ask Discette, not ask Donny




Donny likes it! :p



Thanks Discette !!!!!!! Keeps Dave on his toes !!!!! :D

Besides , I have more answers , than he has questions !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have more answers , than he has questions !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You may have more answers than I have questions, but I have more answers than you. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Any questions? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have more answers , than he has questions !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You may have more answers than I have questions, but I have more answers than you. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Any questions? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Yea..............

If a Chicken and a 1/2 , can lay an Egg in 1/2 , in a day in 1/2

How many seeds can a Monkey , with a wooden leg , kick out of a dill pickle ?

Sorry,

Your post must be addressed to Discette in order to get an answer on this thread. If you want my answer go to Dirty's Daily Dose.

Not ask Donny ? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Not ask Donny ? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nefertiti0501/hypocrit.gif

Discette,
If you were not married, would you take me as your groom?

Oh, and are you going to be at Santa Maria?

Discette,

<h1><MARQUEE>PRO AND ADVANCED TOURNAMENT AT SUN VALLEY THIS SATURDAY 7/9/05 at 9 am...WILL YOU COME PLAY? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </MARQUEE></h1>

Hey Discette ....................Any word on the Fundraiser Plastic ?

Oh , and if you have anything I can purchase for CTP prizes.

Discette,
If you were not married, would you take me as your groom?



Ryan - Sorry for the delay in responding, I have been busy at work and I moved this past weekend.

First of all I am not married but I am not available either.

If I were in the market for a groom, I would probably have to choose someone a little closer to my own age. I am probably old enough to be your mother.

I am not sure if I will be going to Santa Maria or not. However, I will not be able to play on Sunday.

Thanks for the encouragement. ;)

Donny - What kind of word do you want to hear about the fundraisers. Yours should be shipped tomorrow.

Yes, I have stuff for CTP's. Please send me a PM if you are interested.

Discette,
If you were not married, would you take me as your groom?



First of all I am not married but I am not available either.




Fair enough, hope to see you at Santa Maria on saturday! :cool:

Donny - What kind of word do you want to hear about the fundraisers. Yours should be shipped tomorrow.

Yes, I have stuff for CTP's. Please send me a PM if you are interested.



Hey Discette , I'll send you a PM about the CTP stuff.
Thanks for the reply !!!

Discette,

Who are you rooting for at Waller Pines this weekend?

I think you really like KG, but he thinks you like Ryan. PM me if you like him back.

Donny - What kind of word do you want to hear about the fundraisers. Yours should be shipped tomorrow.

Yes, I have stuff for CTP's. Please send me a PM if you are interested.



I'll take you up on the offer. PM me . Please let me know , which day , possibly next week , would work best for you.

It's Friday. I have to stay in town with my Pop's this weekend and will not make the Fun , Santa Maria tournament :(

That's such a fun place to play.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon !!!!!

Oh , and yes , I'll take that Second disc you offered !!!!!!

I'll send you a check today !!!!!!!

Thanks again ,

Donny Olow :D

I was not rooting for anyone in particular this weekend at Waller Pines. I hope everyone had fun.

Since the TD is having computer problems, I will have Bob send me the final results ASAP so they can be posted online.

Donny -

I will be leaving for Pro Worlds Firday, so this is a busy week for me. I sent you a PM.

Since the TD is having computer problems, I will have Bob send me the final results ASAP so they can be posted online.



That would be sweet...timely results :D If you need help with anything-let me know :cool:

Donny -

I will be leaving for Pro Worlds Firday, so this is a busy week for me. I sent you a PM.



No problem , have a safe and fun trip !!!!! :D

Hi Suzette,

Do you know when the 2005 points for So Cal series will be updated?

Good luck at worlds and have fun!!! ;)

Do you know when the 2005 points for So Cal series will be updated?



Michelle,

The webmaster just got married and has been on a honeymoon. As soon as we get all the results, he will update it.

Well that's certainly waaaaay more important! Thanks for the info.

Honeymoon's are Cool !!!!! :cool:

I have been on two. :eek:

No , I'm not married !!!!! :D

Honeymoon's are Cool !!!!! :cool:

I have been on two. :eek:

No , I'm not married !!!!! :D



Just Kidding about the Honeymoon stuff !!!!! :D

Discette,

Is the hokey pokey really what it's all about?

You put your left foot in and shake it all about !!!! :eek:

Discette,

Is the hokey pokey really what it's all about?



You seriously need to get a life!
Don't you have anything better to do than harass people???
I guess "NOT"!!!

Umm...This is the "Ask Discette" thread, hence my non-harassing question to Discette. However since you like attention so much, maybe its time to start a "Maraud Michelle" thread /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Is the hokey pokey really what it's all about?



Dave,

Yes, the Hokey Pokey IS what its all about.

Truer words of wisdom were never spoken. :p

I'm off to Pro Worlds, please save all questions until I return.

Good luck and have fun! :cool:

GO SoCal, represent the WEST SIIDE!

Umm...This is the "Ask Discette" thread, hence my non-harassing question to Discette. However since you like attention so much, maybe its time to start a "Maraud Michelle" thread /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You've already done that.

HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK AT WORLDS, SUZETTE!!

Umm...This is the "Ask Discette" thread, hence my non-harassing question to Discette. However since you like attention so much, maybe its time to start a "Maraud Michelle" thread /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You've already done that.

HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK AT WORLDS, SUZETTE!!



:D Hey Michelle , welcome to the Get Slammed by Dave Club !!!!! :D

He likes teasing you !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yeah, he's my No. 1 fan, remember? ;) ;)
I know he wants me...badly... but I'm already taken... and happily so! ;) :D

Yeah, he's my No. 1 fan, remember? ;) ;)
I know he wants me...badly... but I'm already taken... and happily so! ;) :D



That's right !!!!! :D

Yeah, he's my No. 1 fan, remember? ;) ;)
I know he wants me...badly... but I'm already taken... and happily so! ;) :D



That's right !!!!! :D



So...........who is the Lucky person ? You can send me a PM so not to advertise and Upset anyone !!!!! :eek: :D

Yeah, he's my No. 1 fan, remember? ;) ;)
I know he wants me...badly... but I'm already taken... and happily so! ;) :D



That's right !!!!! :D



So...........who is the Lucky person ? You can send me a PM so not to advertise and Upset anyone !!!!! :eek: :D



Keep practicing !!!!!
http://www.centxdglove.com/putterman.gif

No secrets Donny as he's not a golfer... His name is Weince and he lives in AZ for now. He'll be moving here hopefully soon but the target date is October. Ya'll will meet my new caddie by years end. A little background - we were engaged in our early 20's when we both lived in AZ, but due to his newly chosen lifestyle, I had to walk away. 22 years later, we found each other again in April of last year. We're getting to know each other all over again and it's been really cool. I'm heading back there this weekend for a day and it's really nice to come back to 75 degrees! I really don't miss that triple digit weather!! But it's all good!! :D:D:D

Welcome back Suzette! Gosh, you've been gone so long that my questions are piling up!! So here we go...

1) Did you have fun in PA? Was the weather really hot and humid?

2) Is our webmaster back yet from his honeymoon?

3) Was Annie K. late for the final 9; is that why she scored a 40? (I was told she missed 5 holes but that doesn't make sense since 5 x 4 = 20 since we get a 7 for each hole missed. The math seems wrong.)

4) Are you going to Worlds in GA next year?

and finally...

5) Do you miss Dave? ;)

Okay, that's it for now. Thanks and welcome hooooooooooome! :D:D

1) Did you have fun in PA? Was the weather really hot and humid?

2) Is our webmaster back yet from his honeymoon?

3) Was Annie K. late for the final 9; is that why she scored a 40? (I was told she missed 5 holes but that doesn't make sense since 5 x 4 = 20 since we get a 7 for each hole missed. The math seems wrong.)

4) Are you going to Worlds in GA next year?

and finally...

5) Do you miss Dave?



1. I had a great time in Pennsylvania. The weather was indeed hot and humid.

2. Webamaster has returned from honeymoon, and is now in Arizona at Am Worlds.

3. Annie missed the first two holes of the Final 9. They started the Final 9 on Hole 4 and Annie was waiting patiently at hole 1.

4. I will probably go to Pro Worlds in Augusta next year.

5. Dirty Dave always provides lots of reading material on the message board, and I miss that. I am rooting for Dave to do well at Am Worlds.

hey michelle

when you guys get married will it be in a church ? :D:D:D

sorry, i couldn't pass on that one :o

CONGRATS :D

hey michelle

when you guys get married will it be in a church ? :D:D:D

sorry, i couldn't pass on that one :o

CONGRATS :D



Thanks for the info, Suzette, on all questions :D :D

Jack - that WAS a funny one! :D:D Made me laugh, truly!!

We've talked about it and are in no rush at all. I told him if we're still together in 5 years, then we'd bring it up again. We both see no reason to do such a thing. Living in Sin is fine with both of us ;) ;)

But to answer your question, absolutely NOT. Probably somewhere weird like the beach or Top of The World in Santa Cruz. Stokley's wedding up there was purdy darn kewl. ;) ;)

good i hoped you would get a laugh out of it, getting hitched up on the top of the world sounds cool :D

Glad you had a good time at Worlds. ;)

I've been meaning to ask, is it a given you'll be back as SoCal president next year, and if so WHEN does the 2006 season talk begin; we're ruminating on adding an Ice bowl here [to benefit the Lupus foundation][we've already "warned" Cliff]. :)

...off on a tanget; was the 2004 U.S. Masters [November, after SoCal's September Finals] a SoCal meet, and if so, what was the decision on where the SoCal fees raised [roughly $136...very roughly] would "go".

1) Did you have fun in PA? Was the weather really hot and humid?

2) Is our webmaster back yet from his honeymoon?

3) Was Annie K. late for the final 9; is that why she scored a 40? (I was told she missed 5 holes but that doesn't make sense since 5 x 4 = 20 since we get a 7 for each hole missed. The math seems wrong.)

4) Are you going to Worlds in GA next year?

and finally...

5) Do you miss Dave?



1. I had a great time in Pennsylvania. The weather was indeed hot and humid.

2. Webamaster has returned from honeymoon, and is now in Arizona at Am Worlds.

3. Annie missed the first two holes of the Final 9. They started the Final 9 on Hole 4 and Annie was waiting patiently at hole 1.

4. I will probably go to Pro Worlds in Augusta next year.

5. Dirty Dave always provides lots of reading material on the message board, and I miss that. I am rooting for Dave to do well at Am Worlds.



Hey Discette , welcome back.

Yea , I had some folks , razz me on PM's saying " SO , what's ya going to do , since Vincent's at the World's? " You can't talk to anyone about anything". That's what kinda started all the Smack Talk. I guess I was Quote " Stupid and Dumb and couldn't think for myself". No problem , I enjoy matching witts with college kids !!!!!! :D

No Harm , no foul. It did go country wide though and I have been receiving Free Disc Golf Plastic !!!!!!

It should be fun when Dave Vincent gets back. I'm sure he will have plenty of stories to tell !!!!! :D

Slo -

I will return as President if no one else in interested in the position. If someone else was interested in doing the job, I would volunteer for a different position on the So Cal BOD.

It is about time to ask for nominations.

If anyone is interested in serving on the So Cal BOD next year, you can send me a PM. The BOD will make a more formal request for nominations soon.

was the 2004 U.S. Masters [November, after SoCal's September Finals] a SoCal meet, and if so, what was the decision on where the SoCal fees raised [roughly $136...very roughly] would "go".



The 2004 Masters was not a So Cal event. The fees collected will go to 2005 Masters.

:) Probably see you there! :cool:

Slo -

I will return as President if no one else in interested in the position. If someone else was interested in doing the job, I would volunteer for a different position on the So Cal BOD.

It is about time to ask for nominations.

If anyone is interested in serving on the So Cal BOD next year, you can send me a PM. The BOD will make a more formal request for nominations soon.



am i still a member?? :D

If anyone is interested in serving on the So Cal BOD next year, you can send me a PM. The BOD will make a more formal request for nominations soon.




I'm pretty sure there is going to be a coup d'etat next year. Unfulfilled promises create an angry member base. Discette have you polled the satisfaction of your members?

I'm pretty sure there is going to be a coup d'etat next year. Unfulfilled promises create an angry member base. Discette have you polled the satisfaction of your members?




I think that would be awesome if there will be a new BOD next year. I hope there is a coup d'etat.


I have not polled the membership, but many have written the BOD with complaints or suggestions. I would not call the membership base angry. Most members seem to be very thankful of all the hard work the current BOD is doing. The website seeems to get the most complaints. Several people would like it to be updated quicker or have player registrations and results posted more timely. This problem is usually related to So Cal being unable to get the information from TD's rather than not wanting to update it.


Right now, the BOD is concentrating on making the So Cal Tour and Championships better than ever. This received the most feedback from members. This year there will be a sizable payout for the Championships as well as the So Cal Points Leaders. The So Cal Series was tweaked this year based on the feedback from members. Some new tournaments were added, some new formats were tried, some events were welcomed back and unfortunately, two events were cancelled (beyond the control of the BOD). There are still two events remaining before the Championships in November.

I would urge anyone who has any amount of free time to donate to disc golf in Southern California to step up and volunteer to be on the So Cal BOD.

BTW, there are still INNColor fundraising discs in designs 2 &amp; 3 available. Design 4 is coming soon. Remember you get a chance to be in the Sponsor Rewards drawing for the USDGC Sponsor expemption on August 30th when you purchase these discs. Hurry!!!

am i still a member??



Yes you are still a member even if Michelle doesn't recognize you.

I'm pretty sure there is going to be a coup d'etat(sic) next year. Unfulfilled promises create an angry member base.


...can you help me here; I'm drawing a blank. :confused: One can hardly blame the BOD for the lapses of Whittier, Sylmar and Wrightwood. :eek:

Two-year BOD "sentences" seem like they'd >>>continuity.

Unfulfilled promises...


Our primary mission is to bring the sport back to the prominence it once had, through a series of PDGA-sanctioned tournaments.

The purpose was to raise awareness by bringing PDGA benefits closer to home for the large contingent of disc golfers in the region that would have to travel to other regions in the country to compete for PDGA points. We are best described as a regional chapter of the PDGA and are supported by a combination of individual memberships, sponsors, merchandise, and tournament income. In 1998 we incorporated as a nonprofit mutual benefit corporation to ensure that our mission is perpetual and will be carried out by future generations of disc golfers.

Other goals of the organization include expansion of new courses, maintaining existing courses, provide a network of communication and assistance for the public, player's, course pro's, vendor's, and manufacturer's involved in disc golf.




No offense to Suzette, but it seems like lip service to me. What courses have you created this year? What courses have you helped maintain this year? What assistance have you provided for the manufacturer's involved in disc golf other than Innova? I have talked with numerous SoCal members, current and non-current, and all of them are disappointed in the SoCal Organization.

Well...............petition for a permanent course at Bayside.

How many signatures are required ?

Any legal consequences or liability issues ?

Funding ? City of San Diego Recomendation? :D

am i still a member??



Yes you are still a member even if Michelle doesn't recognize you.

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It's going to be a true Kodak moment - this reunion ;) ;)

Unfulfilled promises...


Our primary mission is to bring the sport back to the prominence it once had, through a series of PDGA-sanctioned tournaments.

The purpose was to raise awareness by bringing PDGA benefits closer to home for the large contingent of disc golfers in the region that would have to travel to other regions in the country to compete for PDGA points. We are best described as a regional chapter of the PDGA and are supported by a combination of individual memberships, sponsors, merchandise, and tournament income. In 1998 we incorporated as a nonprofit mutual benefit corporation to ensure that our mission is perpetual and will be carried out by future generations of disc golfers.

Other goals of the organization include expansion of new courses, maintaining existing courses, provide a network of communication and assistance for the public, player's, course pro's, vendor's, and manufacturer's involved in disc golf.




No offense to Suzette, but it seems like lip service to me. What courses have you created this year? What courses have you helped maintain this year? What assistance have you provided for the manufacturer's involved in disc golf other than Innova? I have talked with numerous SoCal members, current and non-current, and all of them are disappointed in the SoCal Organization.



Suzette, Dave hasn't talked to me which is why I won't be put in the category of all of them being disappointed. :p :p

In fact, this year has run much more smoothly and fairly than last year, that's for sure!! :D:D

Although yes, it would be nice to see where we all stand - pointwise - so far this season. :o:o

Dirt, you know those are the words of John Ahart, Tim Selinske and Loren Price...from 1996...right? That's not Suzzette's campaign statement. :o:D

Hmmmmmmmm..........I'm not considered ALL.

I have been a SoCal member , since the begining.

I totally support the Growth of Disc Golf in Southern California.

Folks bITCCH and complain , but do nothing positive.

Players want ALL , but don't give back !!!!!

It's always " What's in it for Me"........gimme,gimme,gimme,gimme,gimme,gimme,gimme. .............etc.......

I'm still looking for Corporate Sponsors to help Disc Golfers in Southern California.............Do you know how difficult that is ?

Most think , including Beer sponsors , " Why should we support Pot smokers?" " It would damage our Image". :(

sUcks.............

Is this why we need to wear Collard shirts for publicity ?

:eek:

Dirt, you know those are the words of John Ahart, Tim Selinske and Loren Price...from 1996...right? That's not Suzzette's campaign statement. :o:D



True Slo , that's from the late 90's.

Tim did what he could , for as long as he could.
Family responsibility does come first !!!!!!!

I fully support , whatever Tim does ,and the commitment Innova's Family has provided us thus far !!!!!!

We just are fortunate to have Innova's involvement in this.
It would be Non existant , without them !!!!!

To me , personally , Innova (All the folks there) are like Family.
I can not Thank them enough !!!!!!

I do what I can , to support my Family !!!!!!!! :D

Dirt, you know those are the words of John Ahart, Tim Selinske and Loren Price...from 1996...right? That's not Suzzette's campaign statement. :o:D




SLO-Yeah, I know its not her campaign platform; It's the SoCal mission statement. She is the boss however, and could force changes if she was compelled to do so. If the SoCal mission statement was written in '96 and not adhered by today-then you just proved my point of unfulfilled promises, outdated webpages, lazy volunteers, etc.

Michelle-I haven't talked with you or Donny about this because both of your opinions on this subject are of no concern to me. You both have ties that bind, so you would not be objective examples.

I can live with that. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That last bit wan't even valid, let alone sound; I'll pick up later. Basically it's true fallacies you're offering; let's skip the "Moon is Cheese" stuff, eh?

Slow down SLO and re-read what I wrote.

I can live with that. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Same here... I could give a flyin Ef what Evil Dave thinks, or says, or writes ;) :D

Hurry up/slo-down...which is it?!? I've been reading, it's what should I read into.

In the past, World-level events have been held in SoCal @ Pasadena ['76?], H.B. ['79] and Irvine [82?]. I believe that's what John, Tim and Loren were alluding to...does the fact it hasn't happened make them [and all-to-follow] failures?

....flippantly, I think a coup d'�tat sounds swell; that would mean there's interest in the position! Courses can be tweeked, but to get the Majors, SoCal needs more volunteers at all levels, not just the 'top'; that's my notion. ;)

Your examples are from 23 yrs ago at best, not only is it a new decade, score, & century-it's a new freakin millennium. Plus you're the obsequious TD who got trophies from a 99� store, so don't sing your praises too loud.

Before this gets off on a wade/slo tangent, this is about an outdated organization, not Discette. I want to help Discette and the SoCal organization to become more viable...not extol them for doing the bare minimum.

How would next 'season' be different?

Your examples are from 23 yrs ago at best, not only is it a new decade, score, & century-it's a new freakin millennium.



THIS, from the guy who brought up a quote that's almost 10 years old...and from a different party. :p :eek: :o

Shut the F up. You don't make any sense *******.

Your examples are from 23 yrs ago at best, not only is it a new decade, score, &amp; century-it's a new freakin millennium. Plus you're the obsequious TD who got trophies from a 99� store, so don't sing your praises too loud.

Before this gets off on a wade/slo tangent, this is about an outdated organization, not Discette. I want to help Discette and the SoCal organization to become more viable...not extol them for doing the bare minimum.



Again, this is not about slo, donny, or micHELLe.

Hey Dave , Are you a SoCal member ?

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?

Shut the F up. You don't make any sense *******.



Make me :D:D

Neener neener neener.... hahaha

(Donny you were RIGHT!) Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D:D

You're a senior citizen, yet you act like a child. :(

Dave -


What courses have you created this year?

The BOD has not actually created any courses this year but we, and many So Cal members, have worked with and supported several groups and individuals including the organizers of the Ventura course, Manhattan Beach, Santa Clarita, Elysian Park and Sun Valley. Most recently we have been working directly with the organizers in Burbank in their efforts to get a new course.


What courses have you helped maintain this year?

While the BOD does not actually go out and maintain courses, our membership does. They represent far more of the organization than the five board members. If anyone knows of courses that are in need of maintainence, including tee pad/tee sign restoration, redesign or general upkeep, please let the BOD know. We do have resources available.


What assistance have you provided for the manufacturer's involved in disc golf other than Innova?

This question is missing the first part of the sentence, "provide a network of communication.." Our website provides this network of communication, and so does this thread here on the PDGA message board. The public, course pros, manufacturers and vendors can all reach the BOD and get information about tournaments and area courses through information posted on the website. While the website does require an awesome amount of work to stay fresh, it still provides this network for all. I wish our current BOD had enough volunteers with web skills to help maintain the website. It is by far, the largest, most time consuming task we face.


I have talked with numerous SoCal members, current and non-current, and all of them are disappointed in the SoCal Organization.

I wish they would send an email to the BOD members and provide us with feedback. Suggestions and comments are welcome and we do respond to all emails. It is hard to make improvements without knowing what members do not like. I was not personally aware that these items you listed above are making the average So Cal member disappointed with the effort of the current BOD. The feedback we have recieved from members seems to be focused on website updating. Next is the So Cal Series and the scorekeeping, payout and points tracking for these events.

"Our primary mission is to bring the sport back to the prominence it once had, through a series of PDGA-sanctioned tournaments." I believe the BOD has been extremly successful at executing this goal. One of the things the current BOD has done is to add new events to the So Cal Series. In the past, So Cal Series events had to be a B Tier or above, and include four rounds of play. The current BOD voted to allow other PDGA events with less rounds be eligible. This allowed both San Diego area tournaments, the Ice Bowl and Fling IX to be eligible for So Cal Series status even though they were only one-day, two-round events.

I would like to add some other items accomplished by the current BOD that do not appear in that mission statement.

Becoming a PDGA Affiliate Club. This provides a $5.00 discount on So Cal member PDGA renewals. This also includes the creation of this dedicated forum at PDGA that you seem to enjoy.

Changing the way So Cal points are awarded. They are now awarded on a round by round basis and no participation points are awarded if a player withdraws from an event.

Providing support to tournaments. The BOD volunteers our services to any TD's that need staff support. We also provide equipment for events. So Cal is fortunate to possess lots of equipment for running tournaments including the So Cal trailer, tables, awnings, tee sign holders, walkie-talkies, signs, banners, food service equipment, fencing, lap top computers, a PA system, a generator, scoreports, player scoring cards, scorecards and tons of other stuff too numberous to mention. All these items are available to every So Cal Tournament director, even if they are not hosting a So Cal Series event. Again, we personally volunteer our time to help the So Cal Series events as do many other members.

I wish it was possible to do everything that every memeber of So Cal would like, but the reality is that no matter how much is done, it will always fall short of at least one person's expectations. However, that does not prevent us from trying.

I will continue to try my hardest to make So Cal great for all members, but I cannot do it alone, nor without the help of the BOD and other volunteers. I cannot help implement improvements without receiving feedback from members. I hope that you and the many So Cal members you talk to that are not happy with the current BOD will provide feedback to let us and the next BOD know how to improve So Cal DGA for everyone.

You have a PM.

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Just though you might have posted it , next to your PDGA number ?

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Just though you might have posted it , next to your PDGA number ?



Current So Cal Memberships 2005
Name SCDGA # (*New Member)
Lino Camacho 477*
Hunter Fallon 476*
Patrick Gallaher 475*
Gabriel Cota 474*
Ramon Trevino 473*
Chris Givans 472*
John Babin 471*
Wayne Brathwaite 470*
Jesse Williams 469*
Michael J. McNamara 468*
Robert Zion 467*
Dean James Civille 466*
Wayne Morford 465*
Frank Feliz 464*
Manuel Castro 463*
David Karney 462*
Michael DeGonia 461*
Geoff Larson 460*
Mike Hall 459*
Israel Mariscal 458*
Daniel Lichtman 457*
Mike Ulawski 456*
Neal Fallon 455*
Craig Walters 454*
Keith Johnson 453*
Kevin Gomez 452*
Steven C. Hines 451*
Kyle Crabtree 450*
Howard Tan 449*
Steve Langsford 448*
Larry Christensen 447*
James R. Layne 446*
David Densen 445*
Alysse Densen 444*
Robert Arzate 443*
Kayleen Boyle 442*
Sarra Smith 441*
Robert Martin 440*
Glen Gunnerson 439*
David Wallace 438*
Suzette Simons 435
Floyd 'Bud' Henke 434
Tracey Thorpe 433
Jonathan Gleicher 430
George Coatman 429
David Waud 425
C.J. Powell 423
Lawrence Halili 419
Jeremiah Johnson 418
Ryan Gwillim 417
Phillip Brathwaite 416
Dustin Warren 412
Steve Thompson 409
Richard Thompson 408
Yvonne Jamison 406
Scot Jamison 405
Eddie McCulley 404
Jose Alcala 403
Jared Niles 401
Tony Mason 400
Tom La Torre 399
Jesse Chambless 389
Paul Hoyt 388
Emina Weaver 377
Rich Ragus 374
Kathyren Downing 373
Steve Wisecup 372
Vicky Wisecup 371
Erin White 366
Bret Hutchings 363
Joel Hall 362
Mark Rogers 362
Brian Yamada 357
Jon Lindgren 356
Jason McEwen 351
Jeff Nessen 347
Ryan Powell 346
Noah Rodriguez 338
Mike Baldwin 335
David Parnell 334
Chuck Powell 333
John Lacey 332
Phil Tomas 329
Chris Lindgren 324
Peter Lindgren 323
Shad Young 306
Laurie Stroh 303
Dave Devine 295
Alan Fridge 279
Jerry Murphy 261
Sam Ferrans 257
Roddy Flocken 253
George Watts 247
Sandy Houston 234
Mike Cloyes 229
David Hadder 214
Jon Freedman 202
Kimbra Carnaghe 193
Tyrrhell Lehrer 189
Matt Roulette 188
Ron Brawley 177
Pat Shea 173
Megan Stroh 170
Patrick Sweeney 162
Chuck Vogel 152
Christopher Brophy 149
Steven Civitak 147
Tita Ugalde 128
Rhett Stroh 127
Dennis Gordon 119
Christopher Horn 114
Susie Horn 113
Mark Horn 112
Virgil Phillips 110
William West 99
Marcus Cisneros 94
Jack Moore 78
Cliff Towne 75
Bill Henley 74
Joe Albert Garcia 66
Michelle Wade 61
Billy Carnaghe 54
Bill Richards 49
Glenn A. Triemstra 49
Jeff Kennedy 45
Beth Verish 43
Steve Killian 35
Tom Skidmore 34
Rob Wilson 32
Dan Duron 24
Philip Ganshert 23
DavidVan Der Giessen 20
Mike Byrne 19
Thomas Clickner 18
Joe Graham 11
Donny Olow 8
Snapper Pierson 6
Dave Dunipace 4
Dan 'Stork' Roddick 3.5
Tim Selinske 3


Didn't see your name ? Do you go by another name ?

Take a real close look. BTW do you want the max weight Worlds stamped Champion Coyote that I got for you?

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Just though you might have posted it , next to your PDGA number ?



What is your SoCal Number ?

What does that have to do with anything? Are you going to claim seniority over me? Are you going to say I don't have a voice if I am a non-member? Do you like seeing your name on every thread?

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Yes , I honestly tried to look up you name. Are you not a current member ? Just asking !!!!!

What does that have to do with anything? Are you going to claim seniority over me? Are you going to say I don't have a voice if I am a non-member? Do you like seeing your name on every thread?

What does that have to do with anything? Are you going to claim seniority over me? Are you going to say I don't have a voice if I am a non-member? Do you like seing your name on every thread?



Don' cry..........Maybe Discraft can buy you a tricycle with your PDGA number on it. :eek:

Oh , I'll take a Ghost stamp Predator , Ghost stamp Tsunami ,
And a Ghost stamp Crystal Z Challenger.....all max weight.

Should cover all the disc's I hooked you up with to win the world's. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Actually I asked you to get me 2 champion discs-you hooked me up with 3 and with as many as you bought, you got a great deal, so I only owe you around $30 worth of stuff...So how does that Coyote sound now dude.


BTW...The Discraft tricycle that I have would run over your innova unicyle anyday /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Actually I asked you to get me 2 champion discs-you hooked me up with 3 and with as many as you bought, you got a great deal, so I only owe you around $30 worth of stuff...So how does that Coyote sound now dude.


BTW...The Discraft tricycle that I have would run over your innova unicyle anyday /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



One Disc ? Cheap aSSS bIATCH.............take any more money out of the bayside pool lately ?

Innova has Mountain Bikes........pedal well !!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

One Disc ? Cheap aSSS bIATCH.............take any more money out of the bayside pool lately ?

Innova has Mountain Bikes........pedal well !!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Are you accusing me of stealing Donny? That's sad...Don't bother showing up if you are going to make wild accusations.

One Disc ? Cheap aSSS bIATCH.............take any more money out of the bayside pool lately ?

Innova has Mountain Bikes........pedal well !!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Are you accusing me of stealing Donny? That's sad...Don't bother showing up if you are going to make wild accusations.



Ohhhhhh..........Booooo Hooooooooo...........maybe Discraft can provide you with a crying towel !!!!!! Jump Putter !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Donny, I'm not crying...It's just sad that you would even joke about something like that, when for 2 yrs, Ryan & I have never made one red cent from Bayside-We do it for the good of Disc Golf...Even when you act like ********.

Dave are you now claiming Discraft and TT :eek: I donTT TThink you can do TThaTT :eek:

I'm claiming neither...I thought ******** would be censoredd, and it is.

Well you can claim Discraft all you want but TT is out of the question :D

tt isn't.

huh???

Hey, can we leave Bayside out of this, Please?

It is irrelevant to the current discussion.

take any more money out of the bayside pool lately ?


This is a pretty relevant topic since Donny is making accusations :mad:

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Yes , I honestly tried to look up you name. Are you not a current member ? Just asking !!!!!



I saw it. "SATAN RULES 666"

Not a current member though :p :p

You're the satan worshipper you old freak.

i think what people fail to relize is after tim steped down no one really steped up to see that socal kept going,they had plenty to say about how bad things were but wouldn't or couldn't do anything to help things get better.that went on for at least a year then rhett steped up and tried to run things all by himself mainly because no one esle would and rhett didn't want to see socal just die off,and rhett did the best he could for what a year are so.but alast rhett is only one person and thats like a chicken running around with it's head cut off
(MAJOR PROPS TO THE STROLL FAMILY :D)

now we finelly have a BOD again and things are starting to get better grant it not as quickly as some people would like but all the same these people are new to the BOD and will only get better at what they voluntered thier time for to do to make socal better
( i think it's called a work in progress )

thank you BOD for your time to make it better

PS

if you don't like the ways thing are then do something to make thing better
talk is cheep,anyone can run thier mouth

Hey TFO, I have been involved in the Wintertime, Emerald Isle, Scott Killian, SD Open, & Waller Pines...And I'm not even a SoCal member. I volunteer because I like to help...What have you or anyone else done?

i havn't done anything because my job has me on the road most of the time and it's kinda hard to do anything when your out of the state and country on a regular basis. you just seem a little upset about something with socal ,so i thought i would throw out a brife history of whats been going on with socal since tim left.it's nice to see that your that involved with all those tourniment this year keep up the great volunter effort.
so why the sudden rant on socal are you just stirring the pot or what. >?

Have you tried looking me up on Socaldiscgolf.org?



Yes , I honestly tried to look up you name. Are you not a current member ? Just asking !!!!!



I saw it. "SATAN RULES 666"

Not a current member though :p :p



Some are easy to get upset. They can dish it out , but can't take it !!!!! Probably get shaken in major tournaments.

Don't complain , Dave........Do something about it , non-member. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Always the whinners..............life is to short to smoke everyday !!!!!

Don't bother showing up if you are going to make wild accusations.

[/QUOTE]

Hate to see the permit get pulled !!!!! :eek:

i havn't done anything because my job has me on the road most of the time and it's kinda hard to do anything when your out of the state and country on a regular basis. you just seem a little upset about something with socal ,so i thought i would throw out a brife history of whats been going on with socal since tim left.it's nice to see that your that involved with all those tourniment this year keep up the great volunter effort.
so why the sudden rant on socal are you just stirring the pot or what. >?



Yes , Dave likes stirring the Pot !!!!!! Stirring the Pot !!!!!!

Some pedestrian asked me last week about an Issue she had just seen. " Stirring the Pot" .................

Hey TFO, I have been involved in the Wintertime, Emerald Isle, Scott Killian, SD Open, & Waller Pines...And I'm not even a SoCal member. I volunteer because I like to help...What have you or anyone else done?



As Bobby said, "Let's call out the Whaaaaaambulance!"

I, for one, volunteer for more noble causes and not SATAN and his followers. What do you want, brownie points so you can say you volunteered and therefore give you the right to b i t c h ?? That's the only reason you do it, not because you "enjoy" it. Call a spade a spade, why don'tcha? :p :p

The BOD has not actually created any courses this year but we, and many So Cal members, have worked with and supported several groups and individuals including the organizers of the Ventura course, Manhattan Beach, Santa Clarita , Elysian Park and Sun Valley.

Santa Clarita? What's the deal with this course?

Santa Clarita might have been the "Simi Valley" area I heard about.

<h1><center>Results are posted for Santa Maria / Waller Pines at SoCal site:</center></h1><h3>
Ams:
http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/sub-pages/Tourney2005/Results_SantaMaria2005_Ams.html

Pro:
http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/sub-pages/Tourney2005/Results_SantaMaria2005_Pro.html
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discette writes:

"Providing support to tournaments. The BOD volunteers our services to any TD's that need staff support. We also provide equipment for events. So Cal is fortunate to possess lots of equipment for running tournaments including the So Cal trailer, tables, awnings, tee sign holders, walkie-talkies, signs, banners, food service equipment, fencing, lap top computers, a PA system, a generator, scoreports, player scoring cards, scorecards and tons of other stuff too numberous to mention. All these items are available to every So Cal Tournament director, even if they are not hosting a So Cal Series event. Again, we personally volunteer our time to help the So Cal Series events as do many other members."


so who is driving the trailer with all the goodies out to tucson next weekend to help out THIS so-cal td??
(who IS a member and who IS NOT complaining) :D

i think that suzette and crew are doing the best job that can be expected of 5 people with sporadic off and on help supplementing their efforts....

i was told last year if i wanted to be part of the bod and help to effect changes, i nneded to be a "current" member....so dave i am saying the same to you or anyone else you know of that is/has been complaining.....because you can't be nominated for a position OR vote for someone you like in a position if you AREN'T a member.......

since we're doing histories....

so cal member #453
mdga member #1
pdga member #10444
madc member #022
azdgc member(no numbers given)
tcl member (and BOD secretary and treasurer since club was formed) no numbers given
fdgc #033(i think)
twin parks country club member #6
at least 3 other local florida clubs who don't have numbers

tournament director for 4 pdga "b"-tiers,3 pdga supertours and 1 am worlds in 2002 in the 9 years i've been playing disc golf...this is also not counting 4 icebowls,4 worlds biggest disc golf weekends and (3) 24 hour lance armstrong charity marathons i was td of

also td helper and/or staff to at least 50-75 tournaments i have played at in 15 different states(fl,az,mich,va,tx,cali,nv,sc,nc,ny,il,oh,mar yland,kansas,
missouri)in the 10 years and few days i have been a pdga member...

keith(i can't play well but i can help out good)johnson

I'm pretty sure that there was a person interested in the position. He had a lot of So Cal positive energy. Always a team player and now AM Master Champion!! But I think his interest has waned. :(

Don't bother showing up if you are going to make wild accusations.



Well I'm not a SoCal member but......
Don, You're always welcome here :D

We had 23, some Bayside guys showed up :eek:

why the sudden rant on socal are you just stirring the pot or what. >?



Not stirring the pot...Not satisfied with mediocrity either.

Hey TFO, I have been involved in the Wintertime, Emerald Isle, Scott Killian, SD Open, &amp; Waller Pines...And I'm not even a SoCal member. I volunteer because I like to help...What have you or anyone else done?



As Bobby said, "Let's call out the Whaaaaaambulance!"

I, for one, volunteer for more noble causes and not SATAN and his followers. What do you want, brownie points so you can say you volunteered and therefore give you the right to b i t c h ?? That's the only reason you do it, not because you "enjoy" it. Call a spade a spade, why don'tcha? :p :p



You have no clue. I do enjoy helping people. Ask Discette /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif, Mark Horn, Snapper Pierson, Rhett Stroh, Skip Winship, David Devine, Bob @ Waller, Laurie @ PDGA, etc....

Don't you have some bridge to crawl under?

Dirty has been helping this year.

It is really great to see that some new blood is looking to step up and serve on the So Cal BOD. This is a great thing for So Cal.

We had 23, some Bayside guys showed up :eek:


Yeah, we sent the people we don't like up there to bug you!

Dirty has been helping this year.

It is really great to see that some new blood is looking to step up and serve on the So Cal BOD. This is a great thing for So Cal.



Like I said, if there is anything that I can do to alleviate the workload of the volunteers let me know :cool:

susette

do you know when the us master's website will be updated to show this years info and not last years ?

since we're doing histories....
so cal member #453
mdga member #1
pdga member #10444
madc member #022
azdgc member(no numbers given)
tcl member (and BOD secretary and treasurer since club was formed) no numbers given
fdgc #033(i think)
twin parks country club member #6
at least 3 other local florida clubs who don't have numbers



...What, no DGA or WFDF memberships?!? Slacker! :D

Keith,

Unfortunately, no one here has volunteered to bring the trailer to Monsoon Mandness.
However, you are welcome to come and get it. ;)

do you know when the us master's website will be updated to show this years info and not last years ?



Jack,

I have passed your question along to the TD. I will let you know the answer.

Don't bother showing up if you are going to make wild accusations.



Well I'm not a SoCal member but......
Don, You're always welcome here :D

We had 23, some Bayside guys showed up :eek:



Thanks Skip , I'll try and come up Thursday !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Keith,

Unfortunately, no one here has volunteered to bring the trailer to Monsoon Mandness.
However, you are welcome to come and get it. ;)



AND BRING IT BACK :D

Santa Clarita might have been the "Simi Valley" area I heard about.



Simi Valley? :confused:

Santa Clarita and Simi Valley aren't THAT far apart; I was hearing this from someone [then] new-to-the-area. Not-even the stretch of calling Orange County "L.A. Area".

...if the Manhattan Beach course is the one I'm thinking of [Polliwog Park] we have TEAMELDO16446 to thank. :)

Santa Clarita and Simi Valley aren't THAT far apart; I was hearing this from someone [then] new-to-the-area. Not-even the stretch of calling Orange County "L.A. Area".

...if the Manhattan Beach course is the one I'm thinking of [Polliwog Park] we have TEAMELDO16446 to thank. :)



There's a dg park in Manhattan Beach?? with real baskets or poles?? :D:D

My confusion doesn't stem from the difference between Santa Clarita and Simi Valley. Rather, this is the first that I've heard of a course in that area. Please elaborate. :confused:

We had 23, some Bayside guys showed up :eek:


Yeah, we sent the people we don't like up there to bug you!



Thanks buddy :D
Our Regs appreciate new money in the Prize Pool
Even tho Gomez took the Lion share of it

I think I mentioned [above] that it's hearsay to me; Discette, have you anything more to share on Santa Clarita?

TEAMELDO16446 [Pat Sweeney] is setting-up Polliwog with Dave-type targets, but not on weekends, at present. I'll be sure and grill him for further details.

There's a dg park in Manhattan Beach?? with real baskets or poles?? :D:D



Polliwog (http://home.earthlink.net/~plasticpilotsphotos/plasticpilotsphotoalbum/id14.html) [...basically a photo, and text saying I don't know more].

Dirty has been helping this year.

It is really great to see that some new blood is looking to step up and serve on the So Cal BOD. This is a great thing for So Cal.



Like I said, if there is anything that I can do to alleviate the workload of the volunteers let me know :cool:



become a member and help facilitate change from the strength of members....just think you as vice-president and suzette as president,with some new treasurer and secretary...you could RULE socal on and off the courses!!!

by the way...thanks for replying to everyone else BUT me...makes me feel real sad :(

keith

since we're doing histories....
so cal member #453
mdga member #1
pdga member #10444
madc member #022
azdgc member(no numbers given)
tcl member (and BOD secretary and treasurer since club was formed) no numbers given
fdgc #033(i think)
twin parks country club member #6
at least 3 other local florida clubs who don't have numbers



...What, no DGA or WFDF memberships?!? Slacker! :D



dga was already folded in the pdga when i started playing in 1995

played ultimate for a few years,but never joined wfdf...

did have a number from wham-o when i got my first masters 150 gram disc in 1971....
played with "beach" discs from that point until accidentally running into some people playing with these strange smaller/heavier discs one day in 95...
like most new players i threw it straight up and 100 ft left...
said this suucks..i'll stick with playing with beach discs...joined their league...beat them weekly with beach discs(short course)while learning to throw "golf" discs on my own.....
to this day i still have the longest,sickest airbounce throw that anyone has ever seen....


one day i'll learn how to play the game right and maybe beat rhett :p

til then i'll just give up and stop trying

Discette, have you anything more to share on Santa Clarita?



Santa Clarita is a nine-hole recreational course with DISCatcher targets. It is located in Central Park, 27150 Bouquet Canyon Road. Mapquest (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&amp;zoom=6&amp;mapdata=OE4WNszgW9w2wsEm9PACY U4W6oIPpeU%2fmK%2f%2bnoWfvXrZ0hav2PSrOQEuMi%2fggis Kh945Es2ymPrMSL1dNI1LyDHm%2fSA9Bdfg%2b2aSbceDhkSCw yKMIQHDYP3HA5G%2fPY2NsTCLjUUVmEHB9Chy3X94gRJksWqfc %2fAqVCmFnzox9XN5Gq0Bn8H83sMhKPKVKi01CLiiPNV%2fCJt 0N9bn5GGs8%2bxgRARlYtxxuMW9Yy7F%2bE3PJ%2fyWnp%2baO 8iHfJVnTDsN2Kr7P4g1DSUPS789sik8E8JoP%2fx7MphXIzgNF ZCDNRCVcx64WLJ3WiRrWVUuIngBo8n236%2fDIQjQX29%2bA97 I76laGjtcnfm0jetB26F56Qgll5ahQ7cBQiWscjKG9v%2fRb0l EFDjp%2f9HIc5ebvqlNArIiQaGABJUX1Ax5QzgsSA97c7DbEiI l%2fgEWjYJygmPgg%2fdrNQ23C3IdlnWGpCGzaLB6uWg4Bwapi bDMRCvwkjnbGzFEKqUMkDwtxwBt2ilMUkCyT2m4ZU%2fERG91d Dw9UQvUXE%2f4hrJh2ZCcrddjl1nkgyzCjPCqE3hV3QMKizC24 hLHhV1%2fVoAWoypGcVoupg%3d%3d)

Here is the info on Manhattan Beach course (http://www.pdga.com/course/courses_by_city.php?id=2124)


These are currently nine-hole recreational courses. The head of the Santa Clarita parks department is watching the activity level and response from the community to determine if there is a demand for an additional eighteen hole course in town.

The Polliwog course will accomodate up to 18 holes for special events.

Pat why would you put a disc golf course in a park that is overcrouded with people?The victim attracts the crime.It is not if ,but when will someone get hit.I was told you can not play on the weekends at all?Do we think we are protected by the PDGA or innova ,are they to blame?With all the info we have on disc golf how do we think this is going to be ok?Time will tell, but this is an accident waiting to happen.Pat you will be back at eldo sooner than you think you can only look the other other way for so long.Ill say good luck you will need it. :o

There should be a course in every park. Let the picnickers go to a drive-thru and eat in their cars.

Thanks for the word-up...I had no clue Polliwog was already in the directory! Whom have we to thank for S.C., perhaps the Ventura club?!? :)

Pat mentioned to me he didn't think the Polliwog set-up was condusive to weekends, but I'll bet lots of people in that area would appreciate something LOCAL. It's a good drive to anywhere else from there.

...hopefully, people have the sense NOT to throw into an 'occupied' area, no matter where it might be. :o

The victim attracts the crime.



Thanks for the info, Suzette! I'm going to check it out soon. It appears to be the only course I could play after work and get there before sundown! :D:D

Reese, I'm speechless about that statement! Never one more false!

.....to this day i still have the longest, sickest airbounce throw that anyone has ever seen....


Can you do that with a driver, resulting in a "worm burner"?!?
Skip Kelso can throw one 300+, just inches off the ground. :eek: :)

...I don't have the time to pull-up googlemaps on my Sisters' dial-up, but western L.A. has the Carson courses [4 x 9], and that's about it...I'm certain Polliwog has the potential to be enjoyed by many, albeit only on weekdays [plenty of time for the pilgrimage to [i]El Dorado on weekends, anyways]. :)

There's a dg park in Manhattan Beach?? with real baskets or poles?? :D:D


Polliwog (http://home.earthlink.net/~plasticpilotsphotos/plasticpilotsphotoalbum/id14.html) [...basically a photo, and text saying I don't know more].




Thanks, Slo. I called Manhattan Beach Parks & Rec and they said it IS open on the weekends except for the Sunday summer free concert series which starts at 4 pm. I'm going to go find this park this weekend, maybe tomorrow after work. I was thinking of moving there anyway so I might just look for a place by the park too... then I can practice and get good, again. :D:D:D:D

.....to this day i still have the longest, sickest airbounce throw that anyone has ever seen....


Can you do that with a driver, resulting in a "worm burner"?!?
Skip Kelso can throw one 300+, just inches off the ground. :eek: :)



yes and i have done so several hundred times....
i've also thrown it just feet in front of the tee pad going TOO low :eek:
:D

...I don't have the time to pull-up googlemaps on my Sisters' dial-up, but western L.A. has the Carson courses [4 x 9], and that's about it...I'm certain Polliwog has the potential to be enjoyed by many, albeit only on weekdays [plenty of time for the pilgrimage to [i]El Dorado on weekends, anyways]. :)



If I remember where the Carson course is, it's not the best of neighborhoods and I wouldn't want to go by myself...

BUT, the Polliwog course ROCKS! I only had to wait for one family to cross the fairway, a whole minute out of my life. The park is pretty, has a nice ocean breeze coming across it, has a nice lake and am glad to see no baskets near the water. The parks n rec guy said they're now open on the weekends too! :D:D

It only took me 35 minutes to go from Century City to Manhattan Beach and the worst part is by LAX which is typical. It opened up pretty good after that and that was at 6 pm - rush hour traffic! I'm very stoked to have found a course this close to where I live and I thank all of TEAM ELDO and everyone else who help put in this course!!! YOU GUYS ROCK!

At hole 1 I met a group of locals who were just about to start the weekly. They said they're there Tuesdays and Thursdays and I told them I would most definitely be back next week to play in the weekly - and maybe even twice next week, we'll see. If I can get in enough practice, I might even sign up for the Masters in September. :D:D

So thanks again, TEAM ELDO!!! ;) :D :cool::) :D

Pat says the baskets @ Polliwog are in the ground--they only appear like temps in the photos. Also, the REAL props go to Tim Selinske, and the kids @ one of the local High Schools...I think it was Mira Coast(sic), but don't quote me quoting Pat [!]. ;)

...and Pat reiterated it will probably take a while before the 'civilians' @ Polliwog become acclimated to DGers. :o
Safety should always be ones' main concern, out there on-the-course. :)

i think what people fail to relize is after tim steped down no one really steped up to see that socal kept going,they had plenty to say about how bad things were but wouldn't or couldn't do anything to help things get better.that went on for at least a year then rhett steped up and tried to run things all by himself mainly because no one esle would and rhett didn't want to see socal just die off,and rhett did the best he could for what a year are so.but alast rhett is only one person and thats like a chicken running around with it's head cut off


I don't know why this type of "history" amazes me, but it does. In fact, it never ceases to amaze me that people will post as fact things that aren't even close to being what happened. :mad:

I'm pretty sure that there was a person interested in the position.


That person was not interested in joining the SoCal BOD and working with the team.

Props to those working to get these recreational courses installed. Building a larger, stronger player base begins with having places that beginners can play.

Please make sure there are tee signs and a course map/info board at the first tee so new players don't get frustrated and give up!

Looking foward to adding these two new stops to the Tour de Rizbee itinerary...

<font color="red"> NO TEES/SIGNS @ Polliwog </font> [yet] .

...did I mention that, yet? Sorry. :o

I am excited to see how the course at polliwog works out. I had nothing to do with its installation however. I believe the Mira Costa Disc Golf club proposed the idea to the city and with the help of Innova It got installed. It�s interesting to see how different the demographic of disc golfers is at polliwog. It is refreshing to see mostly young kids enjoying the sport for the first time. I have yet to see anyone drinking beer or smoking illicit substances and I hope that people realize that won�t be tolerated at Polliwog. The park is in an affluent neighborhood directly across the street from the Police station and I hope that anyone who jeopardizes existence of this new course by breaking the law does get cited for it. Polliwog is great place to take your family for a leisurely game of golf in a serene environment. The course is not very challenging but there are some fun elevation changes and basket locations. It will take some time for park patrons to understand the danger of disc being hurled in their direction and we as disc golfers must play with extreme caution and patience as most people at the park do not know it is a disc golf course.

"The course"...what would a new-comer find, a map, chalk lines; what?

"The course"...what would a new-comer find, a map, chalk lines; what?



My point exactly. Would a first-timer be able to play? Or would they be so frustrated that they would give up and never decide to buy that $8 Eagle at SportsAuthority? :(

Too many courses that I travel to require a local guide or an engraved invitation to be able to play. Get tee signs in place - quickly!

I'm pretty sure that there was a person interested in the position.


That person was not interested in joining the SoCal BOD and working with the team.



i was very interested but you kept me out with your elitist dictatorship attitudes mr.stroh :D:D:D:D:D










































discette:
how many smileys does it take for someone to not think i'm joking???

discette:
how many smileys does it take for someone to not think i'm joking???



Some people will never know you are joking, no matter how many smileys you use. :p

If I remember where the Carson course is, it's not the best of neighborhoods and I wouldn't want to go by myself...



There are actually FOUR courses in Carson; three are in the directory. I felt pretty safe @ Pvt. Anderson [Wilmington & University] but of course that's subjective [and a serious topic].

"The course"...what would a new-comer find, a map, chalk lines; what?



My point exactly. Would a first-timer be able to play? Or would they be so frustrated that they would give up and never decide to buy that $8 Eagle at SportsAuthority? :(

Too many courses that I travel to require a local guide or an engraved invitation to be able to play. Get tee signs in place - quickly!



The parks guy told me maps were available inside the building but I ran into the locals and they told me there's tape on the ground for tees. I was unable to find ALL of them so I just made up my own. I'll be going out there tomorrow after work to play in their weekly event and then I'll know the course myself.

But I can't imagine and also don't know of anyone who would buy a disc and go find a course all on their own for the very first time. Most of us were shown this game by someone and taken out to play as opposed to going all by one's self for the very first time. :D:D

And if you've played before, think outside the box and make up your own as you go.... or go inside and get a map :D:D

Polliwog is great place to take your family for a leisurely game of golf in a serene environment.


That's not the park with the pirate ship that fills up with water when it rains too much, is it? :)

i think what people fail to relize is after tim steped down no one really steped up to see that socal kept going,they had plenty to say about how bad things were but wouldn't or couldn't do anything to help things get better.that went on for at least a year then rhett steped up and tried to run things all by himself mainly because no one esle would and rhett didn't want to see socal just die off,and rhett did the best he could for what a year are so.but alast rhett is only one person and thats like a chicken running around with it's head cut off


I don't know why this type of "history" amazes me, but it does. In fact, it never ceases to amaze me that people will post as fact things that aren't even close to being what happened. :mad:



just goes to show you should never listen to me :o:D

LOL Rhett, I have no Idea how you know about the sunken Gallion but brought back some memories of taking rafts out to the ship during El Nino. Yes this is the same park but sadly the gallion was taken out years ago.

Michelle do you know when the weekly starts on Tuesday I would love to meet you at the course and talk to some of the parks and rec guys. Thankx in advance.

"The course"...what would a new-comer find, a map, chalk lines; what?



My point exactly. Would a first-timer be able to play? Or would they be so frustrated that they would give up and never decide to buy that $8 Eagle at SportsAuthority? :(

Too many courses that I travel to require a local guide or an engraved invitation to be able to play. Get tee signs in place - quickly!



The parks guy told me maps were available inside the building but I ran into the locals and they told me there's tape on the ground for tees. I was unable to find ALL of them so I just made up my own. I'll be going out there tomorrow after work to play in their weekly event and then I'll know the course myself.

But I can't imagine and also don't know of anyone who would buy a disc and go find a course all on their own for the very first time. <font color="blue">True, but they may find the course first and then buy the disc if they enjoy it- that's what I did. </font> Most of us were shown this game by someone and taken out to play as opposed to going all by one's self for the very first time. :D:D <font color="blue"> That's not a very good model for growing or developing a sport - requiring an initiated few to be the gatekeepers to a fringe sport. Wouldn't it be better if the people who see the game being played in the park could find a rules sign or tee sign to help answer their questions, if they can't (or are to shy to) catch your attention? </font>

And if you've played before <font color="blue">(only for 25+ years) </font> , think outside the box and make up your own as you go <font color="blue"> (that's how I started back in the 7th grade - but it seems silly to spenf hundreds or thousands of dollars on disc golf baskets, and then not provide information to people on how to use them. It's almost as if the taxpayers are being mocked.) </font> .... or go inside and get a map :D:D



My comments about Polliwog weren't specific to that park (never been there, but I'll search it out soon), but were general comments about courses placed in parks. Oftentimes there aren't locals available to show you the way, or park employees who can answer questions, so signage can be a big help if people aren't available.

Two weeks ago I was in San Jose, at Hellyer Park, playing there for the first time. Great layout, wonderful tee signs and tees, but the baskets had no numbers. The baskets had mmultiple locations per hole, and some were close together, so it was easy to start playing a hole to the wrong basket. I say that because that's exactly what two other groups who were playing at the same time as I did - good thing the 6-year olds in one of the groups didn't get hit. So...sometimes it's a safety issue, too.

Kudos to the volunteers who got the course installed. I'm just saying that the investment makes a lot more sense if there is signage that helps newcomers or other park users understand what the course is about.

If I remember where the Carson course is, it's not the best of neighborhoods and I wouldn't want to go by myself...



There are actually FOUR courses in Carson; three are in the directory. I felt pretty safe @ Pvt. Anderson [Wilmington & University] but of course that's subjective [and a serious topic].



I've played Private Anderson, but couldn't find the other two courses in the directory that day (didn't have directions with us). That was the same day Jr. and I met you at Eldo.

What and where is the fourth course?

Discette,

Do you like the Chargers? or are you a Viking fan?


PS. How 'bout that avatar /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

D'oh! I was afraid you were going to ask!

In the directory:

Dominguez Park
Mills Park
Private Anderson Park

...I'm going to have to ask; not positive and I'd rather not guess but I think it's on the East side of Avalon, NORTH of the 405. Don't quote me!!! But I'm sure it's 4, not 3. "Just" another nine. I'll see what I can do.

Michelle do you know when the weekly starts on Tuesday I would love to meet you at the course and talk to some of the parks and rec guys. Thankx in advance.



That's the best part! 6:30 pm! I get off work at 5:30 and was there before 6:15 - in rush hour LA traffic. I parked on Peck road and walked across the street to hole 1. I did not go inside to talk to the parks n rec guys; I spoke with someone on the tele before finding it. The boys I met were really nice and helpful (and darn freakin young!) and I'm looking forward to meeting all of them. So yes, come and play and I'll cya there! woo hoo! I haven't played golf after work in 5 years!! :D:D:D:D:D

<font color="blue"> That's not a very good model for growing or developing a sport - requiring an initiated few to be the gatekeepers to a fringe sport.


<font color="black"> Dumbest statement I've read....today.
It was not meant to be a "model" but merely a suggestion. Bottom line - of course it would be better to have tee signs but I'm still going to play a new course, even if it isn't finished. Like Sylmar too. So if you're not playing a new course just b/c you don't know where to go and need ___________ to lead you by the hand, then you're missing out. :p :p </font>

Discette,

Do you like the Chargers? or are you a Viking fan?


PS. How 'bout that avatar




I do not like the Chargers. I have been a loyal Raiders fan for many, many years. FYI, I equally dislike the Broncos and the Chiefs.

I like the Vikings when they beat the Packers. ;)

LOL Rhett, I have no Idea how you know about the sunken Gallion but brought back some memories of taking rafts out to the ship during El Nino. Yes this is the same park but sadly the gallion was taken out years ago.


I have a buddy at work who grew up near there.

I think Rizbee's point was, Pilgrims like himself (the opposite of Blance duBois)(sp?) DO miss out on the DG experience when they don't play the same, 'set' course. In a 'benchmark', just-like-everyone-else kinda way. guy, "notch-making" kinda-thing? Safari won't suffice!][was I close?][ ]

As for solutions:

There's a fellow here who always keeps at least 5 Eldo maps in his bag, JUST so he can help Noobs [and even-though we're well-signed]...perhaps Polliwog will 'grow' Its own locals, in time? :)

La Mirada is a pain in the keyster to navigate if you haven't played the course before. Fountain Hills, too. (Hopefully they have tee signs for the re-design.)

I think the need for good signage is not limited to new courses.

Discette,

Do you like the Chargers? or are you a Viking fan?


PS. How 'bout that avatar




I do not like the Chargers. I have been a loyal Raiders fan for many, many years. FYI, I equally dislike the Broncos and the Chiefs.

I like the Vikings when they beat the Packers. ;)



What?!?!?!? You're part of the <font color="pink">RAIDER NATION </font>?...Lame

How can you be from Minnesota representing the <font color="blue">S</font><font color="blue">O</font><font color="blue">C</font><font color="blue">A</font><font color="blue">L</font> org, and not like either of your 'home' teams?

Hey Pat,
I tried to send you a PM but it's not working.... will I see you out there today at 6:30? :D:D

Hey Suzette,
Any chance of getting the so cal points updated? also, the Santa Barbara scores page is a bit jacked up... it won't scroll down, only to the right... where there's nothing to see.
Thanks!!! ;) ;)

La Mirada is a pain in the keyster to navigate if you haven't played the course before. Fountain Hills, too. (Hopefully they have tee signs for the re-design.)

I think the need for good signage is not limited to new courses.



Agreed. I love this sport and want others to be able to enjoy it as much as I, so I'm frustrated when I find a resource that could be used by new players or those who are new to the course, yet it can't be used to its potential.

How can you be from Minnesota representing the SOCAL org, and not like either of your 'home' teams?



For the record, I was born and raised in Tucson, Arizona and lived ther for 30 years. There was no NFL team in the state and the Raiders were my choice. (The Cardinals came to Phoenix AFTER I moved.) I then lived in Iowa for 12 years. Again, no NFL Team, still loved the Raiders. I only lived in Minnesota for four years, and I enjoyed watching the Vikes, but I would never root for them over the Raiders. Now I live in So Cal (for just over a year) and I am rooting for a team from Nor Cal. So be it. At least I am loyal to my team. Kind of like a Cubbies fan, but at least my team has actaully won some Championships. :p

Hey Suzette,
Any chance of getting the so cal points updated? also, the Santa Barbara scores page is a bit jacked up... it won't scroll down, only to the right... where there's nothing to see.
Thanks!!!



DISClaimer: I am not now, nor have I ever been computer literate. Technical questions about the So Cal website should be directed at someone who actually knows what they are talking about. That being said:

When I go to the Pro So Cal Points (http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/sub-pages/Tourney2005/SoCal_Points_2005_Pro.html) page, it shows all results and points through the last event at Waller Pines. Perhaps you need to hit "refresh" and you should be able to see the complete standings.

I also do not have any problem viewing the Goleta results. Again, try refresh. If that doesn't work, bang your head against keyboard and repeat as necessary. ;) :) :p

I also do not have any problem viewing the Goleta results. Again, try refresh. If that doesn't work, bang your head against keyboard and repeat as necessary. ;) :) :p



Evergreen course is in Goleta; that's the page I'm trying to see results from. It only shows MPO and MPM scores, nothing else.... I refreshed twice too.
:confused: :eek:
3rd opinion, anyone? :D:D

Try looking in the Am results, sandbagger. ;)

Try looking in the Am results, sandbagger. ;)



Classic.

Try looking in the Am results, sandbagger. ;)



DUH! I forgot that was my one (and only) am tourney since I was traveling with other ams and a different schedule... and a very long story ya'll don't wanna hear.

Dave - Bite me. :p :p

Try looking in the Am results, sandbagger. ;)



PS. It's only baggin' if one wins, which I did not. :p :p

Back to questions for Suzette:

Suzette, will we have an FPM division at the So Cal Championships? or a series trophy for the FPMs?

(Sorry, that's actually two quetions). /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ;)

Hey Michelle ,

Are you planning to play the US Masters ?

I'm going to try. That is one tournament you can't miss !!!!!

Hey Michelle ,

Are you planning to play the US Masters ?

I'm going to try. That is one tournament you can't miss !!!!!



Issue 1: If I get off my lazy arse and update my 'puter to the latest Adobe Acrobat so I can print out the darn flyer might just help; and

Issue 2: Do I want to donate $125 or get out and practice and maybe have a chance to break even; those are the issues I'm faced with this very moment.

However, things might change soon and I'll know more by September... when is the cut-off to register?

IF I don't play, I'll probably come out and shoot some video and still shots... and re-meet Keith... and hug and cry... :D:D

(YOU get hugs too, of course!! ;) ;))

Is it true an event has to be Tier-B to 'qualify' for the INNcolor CFR program; if so might there be exceptions [like a charity event] :p ?

Dave - Bite me. :p :p



Um...Impossible...Steven Tyler's mouth isn't even big enough to bite you :p

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Dave - Bite me. :p :p



Um...Impossible...Steven Tyler's mouth isn't even big enough to bite you :p

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How does that song go..................Yea , Yea , Yea.........I'm on Fire'r!!!!!!http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif !!!!!!!!!

Suzette, will we have an FPM division at the So Cal Championships? or a series trophy for the FPMs?





An FPM Division will be offered as more than one player has already played in five events. However, FPM players will need to actually play in the Championships to be eligble to win. If there are no preregistered players, there will be no trophy.

Payouts and trophies are based on the total entrants throughout the series and the number registered for the Championships. There should be at least a trophy for first place and payout to three places depending on the number that play in the Championships.

The registration form should be available in the next couple of weeks.

Is it true an event has to be Tier-B to 'qualify' for the INNcolor CFR program; if so might there be exceptions [like a charity event] ?



Steve -

That statement is not completely true. Events that are PDGA C-tier or above ARE eligible for the INNColor program. Also, charity events and fundraisers can participate with approval.

Discette,

Some questions about the SoCal Championships:

You mentioned earlier that there would be additional payout at the SoCal Championships based on SoCal points. Do you have details on how that will work?

Will there be a "SoCal member exclusive" sign-up period again like last year? Whoever thought that up was a genius. :)

Is the entry form coming out anytime soon?

Any word on player pack contents or every-hole CTP stuff?


Thanks again to you and the rest of the BOD for taking the torch and keeping the SoCal Series alive.

Discette,

Some questions about the SoCal Championships:


Is the entry form coming out anytime soon?




jeez nick why don't you READ 2 posts before yours where she already answered the question....

leave the poor woman alone...all you ex bod members...always whining....always complaining ...never helping....you just complain :eek:
;)

Discette,

Some questions about the SoCal Championships:


Is the entry form coming out anytime soon?




jeez nick why don't you READ 2 posts before yours where she already answered the question....

leave the poor woman alone...all you ex bod members...always whining....always complaining ...never helping....you just complain :eek:
;)



/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif You mean this statement : The registration form should be available in the next couple of weeks.

Yea , I saw that Keith.
Hope you have a chance to make it out west. The weather has been pretty nice !!!! :D

You mentioned earlier that there would be additional payout at the SoCal Championships based on SoCal points. Do you have details on how that will work?



Rhett -

It will go to the top finishers in each division.

Finishers in that final tournament or Finishers in overall point standings through out the year ?

Finishers in that final tournament or Finishers in overall point standings through out the year ?



Donny -

The top finishers in the event get awards/payout like any normal event - plus the top point earners in the So Cal Series receive awards/payout.

I would like to make it mandatory to play in this event to be eligible for the So Cal points series payout. However, I am unsure if that was necessary in the past, and don't really want to diverge from previous policy. I guess if I advertise that fact on the flyer that should be enough.

You mentioned earlier that there would be additional payout at the SoCal Championships based on SoCal points. Do you have details on how that will work?



Rhett -

It will go to the top finishers in each division.


The top 4? Top 10? Top 50? In each division?

In the past, there has not been a "payout" for top points earners. Some kind of super-killer trophy (polished metal disc, DGA mini-mach basket) for series winners. Once upon a time there were custom embroidered jackets or bags for the series winners. There used to be a skins match for the top 4 finishers in MPO and top 4 in MPM on pro weekend, and top 4 Advanced and top 4 Intermediate on Am weekend. But side deals and all the usual junk that accompany skins games ruined what should be the best format for spectating.

One time once we created a "Bonus Pool" like the Texas10 does, but since we horrible at raising sponsorship there wasn't any extra money going into the pot so the payout from that was pretty weak.

I'm just curious about how it's going to work.

The top 4? Top 10? Top 50? In each division?



Rhett - I cannot tell you how deep the payout will be until some kind of final numbers are available. There will be a deeper payout in the Advanced Men division that has had 32 participants than in the Advanced Grandmaster that had only 6.

I can tell you, that we have been doing a great job at raising money for the Championships and the So Cal Points series thanks to INNOVA and the INNColor program. We have also been selling So Cal merchandise to clubs and on the internet through Disc Golf Values. We plan to raise money through tournament/tee sign sponsorships. We also raised money through memberships and So Cal event fees. Extra money that was raised should go towards the Championships/Points Series to reward the players that participated throughout the year. There will also be a great player's package for the Championships.

By the way, there are still some INNColor discs available in Designs 2 and 3. The next design should be released shortly. We are in the process of finalizing the artwork.

NEWS FLASH: So Cal is getting ready to release INNColor minis of the first design: So Cal Van. Sorry, no specific details are available at this time. Stay tuned.


Thanks to everyone for all the questions regarding the Championships. This is the area members told us they wanted to see improvements. We listened and have been working hard to make it a reality.

There used to be a skins match for the top 4 finishers in MPO and top 4 in MPM on pro weekend, and top 4 Advanced and top 4 Intermediate on Am weekend.



I remember that... b/c they used to take $2 out of the FPM division to help fund that skins deal. :mad::mad:

There used to be a skins match for the top 4 finishers in MPO and top 4 in MPM on pro weekend, and top 4 Advanced and top 4 Intermediate on Am weekend.



I remember that... b/c they used to take $2 out of the FPM division to help fund that skins deal. :mad::mad:


WRONG! Get yer facts straight.

One year ONCE there was a "Bonus Pool" deducted for an end of the year bonus payout. All dollars from all divisions were faithfully and accurately tracked, and paid out only to the divisions they were deducted from!

Michelle, this is yet another time you have chosen to make accusations without knowing crap about what you are talking about. Give it a freaking break.

Before you dig yourself into a bigger hole and have to resort to saying more untrue things in order to try and get your way, check it out. The year was 2003. All the entry forms are still on the SoCal website and show the $2 deduction. Don't forget to check out the pro results for the SoCal Champs. Son of a gun if there isn't a FPM division. And every single dollar that was deducted from the FPM division for the bonus pool all year long was paid back to the FPM division.

Bull shizzle. FPMs have NEVER had a skins game, EVER.

Bull shizzle. FPMs have NEVER had a skins game, EVER.


Did someone say that they did?

Skins, bonus, call it what you want. But that year (maybe not the year you're thinking) I was told the women's money went for the men's skins at the end of the year because our numbers were too small to have a division, even though we had 3. They wanted 4. That's why I think THIS year has been the most fair.

There are actually FOUR courses in Carson; three are in the directory.



I've played Private Anderson, but couldn't find the other two courses in the directory...what and where is the fourth course?


Dominguez Park
21330 S Santa Fe Ave, Carson, CA (310) 549-3962

Pfc James Anderson Park
19101 Wilmington Ave, Carson, CA (310) 603-9850

Mills Memorial Park
1340 E Dimondale Dr, Carson, CA (310) 631-3130

"Vernon M Hemingway Memorial Park" [once Avalon Park] 700 E. Gardena Blvd, Carson Ca 90746 (310) 538-0019.
This is also the only one of the 4 North of the 91 Freeway.

Possibly thwarting: Mills Memorial Park is aka Heritage Park....Mills/Heritage and Pvt. Anderson look to be 1 1/4 miles apart. Also, those are just 'Park' phone #'s; probably have nothing to do with DG.

Ryan Gwillim made the trip from Tijuana to beat every Amateur player! His 100 total was the best in Advanced in....some time.!




Discette,

Do you think Ryan had more than 2 bogies?

Discette & Dave stopped by, but didn't play...Ryan had 1 bogie each round. ;)

Discette,

Do you think Ryan had more than 2 bogies?



No, because according to Steve he only had two!!! :cool::cool:

"slo knows." :D

suzette....
now that rhett has won an event and accepted CASH don't you think he should play PRO masters at the us masters??

he is obviously too good to play advanced masters anymore!

i for one am tired of seeing sandbagging adv.masters staying DOWN and denying me the opportunity to finish lower in the pro masters division at events in so cal :eek:

suzette....
now that rhett has won an event and accepted CASH don't you think he should play PRO masters at the us masters??



Well, unfortunately, PDGA rules allow a 924 rated "Pro" to play Advanced. So, even though Rhett has cashed, he is still eligible to play Advanced at the US Masters.

BTW, you would not have to play in the Pro Masters division if you allowed your rating to drop a few points.
:cool:

You can't play ANY Majors if you've accepted cash at a sanctioned event, regardless of your rating.

You can't play ANY Majors if you've accepted cash at a sanctioned event, regardless of your rating.



I stand corrected.

You can't play ANY Majors if you've accepted cash at a sanctioned event, regardless of your rating.



good thing for rhett it wasn't sanctioned :D

Hey Keith ,

Was your event an X-tier , C-tier , XC or XB event ?

Was your PDGA number required on the entry form ?

No big deal , just asking.

Hope to see you and your family , if possible , out to the US Masters tournament in a couple of weeks.

That is one really cool event. Lot's of great tallent at the challenging La Mirada course layout !!!!! :D

Skins, bonus, call it what you want. But that year (maybe not the year you're thinking) I was told the women's money went for the men's skins at the end of the year because our numbers were too small to have a division, even though we had 3. They wanted 4. That's why I think THIS year has been the most fair.


"I was told..."

Back in the day, and that would be from 1999 when I first played the SoCal Champs, there were only 2 divisions in the skins games each weekend. Advanced and Intermediate on am weekend. Open Men and Masters Men on pro weekend. It didn't matter how many players you had that weekend in any other division because those were the only ones that played skins at the end.

I think you are confused. Again.

What money are talking about that you have no idea about, anyway? There was only one year when a "bonus pool" deduction was made, and I can guarrantee you that the ladies money didn't go to the men. Since there was only one year ever that took that deduction each tourney, I can also guarrantee you that there were no skins matches that year either.

The $2 fee pays for everything SoCal, including trophies and member prizes and funding the final. Hopefully you aren't trying to count that money.