Here is the Email I got

Dear ZD Friends,



Calls and emails are steadily increasing in anticipation of the 2005 Champion Rocs. Things are developing daily and here are the key items you need to know:



*The original release date of February 1st has been pushed back. Innova wants to make sure every detail of this year's run can be posted before any purchases are made. The extreme collectability of these discs makes that a crucial step in the fundraising campaign.



*1000 Rocs were released at the 2004 Championship. There were 60 left when event sales were suspended. All remaining discs are now available to official Tournament Partners by calling 800.476.3968. Weights range from 165 to 175. Price: $25.00



*There are 1872 additional "standard" Champion Rocs. Half have of these have been stamped with the "Tribal" design. The remaining discs are waiting to be stamped. Weights range from 165 to 180 with the majority being 178-180.

There is an excellent variety of colors. Price: $25.00



*There were 208 Factory Seconds of the "standard" run. Those will also be made available at the official release. Price: $20.00



*We have 1872 Glow Rocs arriving this week. All are heavy weights. They will receive a unique hotstamp commemorating Ken Climo, the 2004 US Champion. They will NOT be packaged as they were last year. Price: $30.00



*Innova Champion is also producing an additional run totaling 2005 discs.

This is the primary reason the release date has been pushed back. These have been tweaked to alter their performance slightly, based on feedback from players since the October release. (Essentially it's a run within a run.) They will be less stable/straighter than the others. This gives people who are throwing Champion Rocs a new performance option. It should also provide us with excellent feedback for future runs. These will all have a unique hot stamp. Price: $25.00



*We plan to post a printer friendly page online that spells out all of the run details for 2005. This will be a first for us and something collectors should really appreciate. Collectors are encouraged to keep a copy of this document in their collection for reference down the road.



*There will be a limit of 50 discs per customer.



As you can see, the total number of discs will be much higher this year.

Last year there were 1870 standard and 1550 glow for a total of 3420. The total from above is 6957. Innova plans to make a significant contribution to the EDGE (Educational Disc Golf Experience) program with the additional revenues collected. The balance will be applied to the 2005 United States Championship.



Additional questions should be directed to Jonathan Poole at the Innova Eastern Sales office. Jonathan is the USDGC Event Director and is overseeing the fundraising program. He can be reached at 800.476.3968 or via email at jpoole@zonedriven.com.



Cheers,



ZoneDriven

isn't making twice as many as last year sort of lessening the collectibility of the CFR Roc?

isn't making twice as many as last year sort of lessening the collectibility of the CFR Roc?


Most definately,Im sure they will be collected but they wont command nearly as much cake as the early runs will in the future.I think this must be Innovas answer for all the gripe about Champion Rocs not being available to masses like the Buzz or element.obviosly the first run of 1000 will be the one to collect, though I will have one of each like many others.

Eric, I got the exact same letter. I thought I was a special ZD Friend. :( Okay, I know i'm special.

sounds good to me. i especially like how the glow's will be much cheaper this year.

can someone please define "offical tournament partner" and any ideas on the factory seconds?

While this information could have been posted under one of the bajillion Champion Roc threads instead of creating yet another new one, thanks for the heads-up.

a run within a run. i like the sound of these. gotta give 'em a try.

: ) :

Tournament partners are those that purchased the partner package for last year's USDGC. It included tickets and signed discs and a few other things.

wow thats a lot of rocs this year. no need to buy 50 this year I guess

Tournament partners are those that purchased the partner package for last year's USDGC. It included tickets and signed discs and a few other things.



**** , i want one of those!!

LESS STABLE!?!

Being more stable/overstable then the DX/KC plastic was the reason I wanted a Champion Roc in the first place. The last thing I need is another turnover midrange. Oh well, at least discraft makes regular runs of the Z-wasp.

There will now be two more CFR Rocs available to everyone else since I will not be purchasing them this year.

Only a portion will be the 'run within a run' that is less stable. The rest will be the standard mold like last years and '03.

Are these going to be referred to as Roc-L's? Or RL's? Hey maybe they'll have the Leopard bottom like the TL's :eek: :D:D

I guess they are BUC ROCs.

(Beat Up Candy)

regardless , i will purchase some!! its a great cause !!
isn't that what fundraiser discs are about?

I'm assuming the 'tweaked' run will be more like the 2002 CE rocs. Those are my fav's anyway so I'm looking forward to picking up a few of those. Not a big fan of the more overstable 2003's and 04's. One thing I don't want with a Roc is a fade to the left at the end.

Esalazar hit the nail on the head. Plus, as shown above, some people liked the less stable candy rocs. This looks like a case of everybody getting what they want.

exactly. I think Innova has done a great thing here.

absolutely , this helps make the premier event what it is ! which in turn helps DG get the recognition it deserves. a positive no matter what angle you look at it!! :D

I need to grab up some of those less stable ones

is this that "blunt nose" "sharp nose" thing that Dave D. was talking about?

I have some super rocs and some 11X KC rocs (same weights) and the super rocs are noticably more overstable than the KC's

if you hold them up next to each other, I think, maybe it's my eyes playing tricks on me, but the super rocs, seem to be a little more 'shallow' ??? sharper? I dont know what to call it, but under the nose, they seem to have a straighter edge, whereas the KC's are a little more rounded...

anyone understand/know what I am talking about...

Never thrown a CE roc, so I can't say, but it the run w/i a run is the diff noses, maybe that could account for the diff. in stability?

i want stable,straight,and understable rocs!! :D

me too! :D

They dont have to be valuable to be collectable. They'll never be as valuable as the 01's.

I can't wait to get a new box of rocs

I have to say the stamp on Innova's site now is pretty sweet. Can't wait to see the rest.

Thats all nice and well about the rocs but I have a problem with Mr. Poole. I have yet to see the discs that were part of the spectators package from the USDGC. I mean its been since October and still no discs. Im beginning to think I wont see them. I emailed Mr Poole back in December, I think. (giving them two months to get the job done and wrap things up from the event) I got a response saying something to the affect "It wont be long......". Well here it is the end of January going on Feb and I still have yet to see those discs.

I only traveled 700+ miles (one way), spent all sorts of money at the event in the 4 days I was there and played in both the Par 3 events ran by Maceman.

Hmmmm.....makes me wonder if I should spend the money again next year! Nice way to treat one of the few (less than 100 total I bet) fans that actually attended the largest paying event!

:mad::mad::mad:

I have a question for anybody "in the know". Do the "run within the run" less stable CE Rocs have a different stamp or are all the 05 CE Rocs except the glow ones going to have the stamp shown on Innovas websight?

good question , I am curious as to all the variations. details please!!!!!

I can never keep up with all the variations.

number of variations will effect the # i purchase. I like to purchase in sets!! e.g.: last year there were 5 variations and i purchased 2 sets!!

AHHHH, I see said the blind man.

and they will never be thrown !!! they are tokens of the cause!!

I have 8 brand new ones just waiting to get into the bag.

which runs etc. do you throw?

8x's not proto.
10x's first run really overstable.
11x's latest run, also very overstable.
DX Rancho's

I have never purchased a Champ Roc before, but plan on doing so this year.

In the past years, have you been able to choose what stamp and color you want, or is it just a random thing???

stamp yes, color good luck. you can request color but it is not guaranteed!!

Great quality, is the only thing guaranteed when acquiring Innova plastic.

(thread drift on) Could someone list (or give me the link to the list) all the CE Rocs and Variations that came out during the years (i.e. 03-graffiti roc, zone driven roc, and bird roc). I know it has been listed before but I can't find the thread it is on. (thread drift off)

Dear Dweller -

I am not sure why you did not receive your items, but if you would please let me know the details, I will look into your situation today. You may e-mail me directly at hduvall@innovadiscgolf.com.

Take care,

Harold

8x's not proto.
10x's first run really overstable.
11x's latest run, also very overstable.
DX Rancho's



Schweb,

I imagine being a top Innova sponsored pro, that you get your first pick at all discs, would those include the champion Rocs, or are the ones you mentioned all KC and DX rocs?

Or do you have to battle like everyone else to get a champion roc? I would hope priority would be one of the perks of sponsorship.

As far as the Champion Rocs go, I would have to pay the same as any other person, because they are Fund Raising discs.

Thats good, and very ethical. But it still would have been a pretty sweet perk.

True, but I dont collect, and I do not like the CE rocs.

I heard they pushed back the date for ce ROCS. So when are they going to be available?

Great quality, is the only thing guaranteed when acquiring Innova plastic.

**** RIGHT!!!!

I heard they pushed back the date for ce ROCS. So when are they going to be available?



i believe jonathan said the 10TH..

Thanks!

The 10th of what?

Tonight starting at 10:00 pm eastern time on Ebay

2001 clear CE ROC with the Zonedriven ghost stamp. This may be your only chance to get one.

Nah, If I really wanted one, I know where I can get one.

Whats cooler than cool? ICE COLD! Thanks for the opt to just look at it! Oh, my question...Was wondering if anyone had any idea as to the colors and quantities that were made for the run of 1000 at USDGC this year. Especially the red ones and the Opaqe red ones.

2005 run of 1000.

Clear red was the most common color along with the clear yellow. Not sure on exact numbers but probally close to 150 to 200 in each of those colors.
As for the red opaque there were about 12 of those. All max weight and all were flatter, stable puppies. Flight characterisitcs similar to the 2004 glow and the 2001.

The other one to look out for was the 2005 max weight whites. There were 3 of these. The rest were 16? to 177. Again flight characteristics close to the 2004 glow and 2001.

So what should i do if i want to get just 1 or 2 of the champion rocs?

place an order at zone driven and hope i get the color i want and hope i dont get caught in the rush of everyone else. or is it mostly resellers placing orders and i should just wait a few weeks and get one of the color i want for a few dollars more?

what happened last year?

: ) :

they sold out in about two hours, except for the glow rocs.

not really !! it was closer to 24 hours!!

no it wasn't.

I tried to buy a regualar champion roc the morning of the release and they were sold out except for the glow rocs.

so I don't know where you got that 24 hours from.

no it wasn't.

I tried to buy a regualar champion roc the morning of the release and they were sold out except for the glow rocs.




me too!
what bothered me the most was i received a message the evening before telling me the discs were available to buy, but no details about having to get on line immediately to even have a chance to get one, so the call in the morning was a shock. :(
ill throw DX plastic from now on.

ding ding ding! (http://www.usdgc.com)

holy *****

**** the link is down :mad:

But I can't stop looking at that picture

neeeeed morrrrrrrrrrrre

click the diagonal pictures at the top

no it wasn't.

I tried to buy a regualar champion roc the morning of the release and they were sold out except for the glow rocs.

so I don't know where you got that 24 hours from.



i bought my ten that afternoon!! you must have your days mixed up!! they sold out early the next morning!! :D

maybe I had some bad info, but I was sure I got that info from zonedriven.

:confused:

I think it was 12-18 hours, can't remember exactly. I think you are more likely to get the color you want if you order a non-max weight one. If its just going on the wall that is a good option. Last year I asked for Pearl White Claws at 172g and got exactly that.

yeah right on!! even at less than 24 hours that is pretty fast!!!

If you want the weight and color of your choice, get a Glow Champion Roc. Weights 178-180 and any color you want as long as it's white. Man, I sound like Henry Ford.

is there a link to see all of the stamps... I can picture what the different colours might look like, but "KC comemorative stamp" is pretty wide open

and are the "modified" rocs going to have a seperate stamp?

If you want the weight and color of your choice, get a Glow Champion Roc. Weights 178-180 and any color you want as long as it's white. Man, I sound like Henry Ford.

But what if I want a 167 Glow Champion Roc? :p

Ok, so the standard rocs have the tribal stamp. Will they come in the USDGC stamp also or will the modified "run within the run" rocs will have the usdgc stamps or are the "run within the run" rocs the "special blend" rocs that zonedriven has listed in that link? Do you know Matt?

Nevermind. Upon closer inspection (actually reading what was on the page) I see that the standard series comes in two stamps (the tribal and USDGC i'm guessing) which leads me to believe that the "special blend" could only be the "run within a run" rocs.

Matt, which ones of these Rocs are the most overstable? Glows like last year?

Has anyone heard the official release date yet for these puppies

Believe it or not, we haven't thrown a single one on the East Coast. My guess is the Glows are going to be most overstable as was the case last year. The most understable will probably be the Special Blend series.

So are these going to on sale on the 10th ? or sooner ?

i was told the 10th!! by j.poole!!

http://www.innovadiscs.com/images/05discs/2005tribalroc.jpg

http://www.innovadiscs.com/images/05discs/2005glowroc.jpg

That purple one has a sweet stamp! How many of that stamp are going to be available? Anyone know?

any others???

"There are 1872 additional "standard" Champion Rocs. Half of these have been stamped with the "tribal" design."

That's quote is from zonedrivens' websight. That means there should be 936 discs with the Roc tribal design.

The Ken Climo stamp is going to be on the Glow Rocs.

Nope, no more to report.

Thanks for the update :cool:

It says that the glows will not be packaged like last year so im assuming there will be no bag and no card with the winners autograph on it. Don't you think it would be a good idea financially (you could sell the glows for more) to have all the glows autographed or come with an autographed card?

You can't really "create" a collectible. I think that was shown last year.

You just make stuff that you think is cool, and sometimes something like a 2001 CE Roc takes off as a super-collectible.

The KC Glow disc looks cool. I like the design. Simple..
Which USDGC stamp they are gonna use.

Are the glows gonna be numbered?

what's the stamp gonna look like for the run w/i a run???
:confused:

glows will not be numbered.

great looking disc !!

any clear rocs??????????????????????????????????

You can't really "create" a collectible. I think that was shown last year.

You just make stuff that you think is cool, and sometimes something like a 2001 CE Roc takes off as a super-collectible.



I suppose you are right, but I for one really liked the "Card". (I will buy them from anyone who has been throwing their CE Glow Rocs from last year). I think it would have been very cool to continue that, but I also see why they didn't- no 10 hole playoff in '04!!!!

I know the rocs are scheduled for the 10th, but does anyone know what time?

those look sweet! can't wait for them to come my way :D

<<<< anxiously waiting!!!!!!!!! :D

So far we have seen pics of 2 out of 4 total stamps. Can't wait to see the other two.

Still wondering what time on the 10th?

when santa wakes up :cool:

I called the phone number listed on the Roc specs page and the woman told me that they werent going to come out on the 10th anymore, but sometime next week. Did anyone else hear that?

not yet but thanks for the info!!

I've seen the tribal stamp, can someone tell me where they've seen the other stamp(s)? Thanks.

Special blends are in.
And yes, they are opaque. The blues are just the sweetest round object since the invention of the wheel.

http://www.zonedriven.com/images/usdgcrocs_spec_blend.jpg

SWEET!

'When' do they go on sale if not tomorrow? :confused:

i just talked to zonedriven and the tentative time of release is mid next week!!

What happened to all your posts esalazar??

What happened to all your posts esalazar??



they vanished along with my entire account!! i am using a second account!! along with many others when the crash occured yesterday!! hopefully they will have everything restored soon!!

Yeah, and it sucks!

me too, I am especially annoyed that all my long thought out posts in the am/pro section got deleted. I think we need to upgrade to a more robust messageboard myself...

And I just got 1000 rated.

But I bet Schweb's 15,938 posts are still on here...

Special blends are in.
And yes, they are opaque. The blues are just the sweetest round object since the invention of the wheel.

http://www.zonedriven.com/images/usdgcrocs_spec_blend.jpg



I thought you were a lefty? :D

do you honestly think my fingers are that nubby? I got elvish fingers.

And yes, I am a lefty.

hey big guy, how do these discs feel? are they "grippier" feeling than the regular champion plastic? or the same? or???....

Lets ask the poster formerly know as Xmatt.

How do they feel Matt?

If you've held a "night shift Orc", you know how they feel.

So your saying they feel almost like the 01's??? Like original CE plasic???

No, Steve, you are saying that.

I'm saying they feel like an Opaque Champion Orc. (the blue ones). I am not a 2001 owner, so I am not qualified to do a comparison.

Those Special Blends look SICK!!! I want one now!
They look like they'd feel just like my 01
What is the stamp on them going to look like?

<font color="blue"> DOPE! </font>

Well the opaque Orcs that i have held feel like oldschool CE plastic so im going to go out on a limb here and say these are going to feel the same way. If they do i really feel sorry for the people who spend hundreds of dollars on 2001 CE rocs :D

I never ordered last year's Roc's. Can someone tell me the best way to try and purchase: by phone, online, ???

online. there will be an announcement as to when they go on sale.

I never ordered last year's Roc's. Can someone tell me the best way to try and purchase: by phone, online, ???



I keep hearing different dates. Online at Zonedriven is the way to go. Don't wait, you have to do it the day they are released.

I never ordered last year's Roc's. Can someone tell me the best way to try and purchase: by phone, online, ???



Serg, I'll hook you up... stop by the house sometime and pick one out.

Have they set a date of sale yet or is it still the 10th ?

not the 10th. Probably middle of next week.

No, Steve, you are saying that.

I'm saying they feel like an Opaque Champion Orc. (the blue ones). I am not a 2001 owner, so I am not qualified to do a comparison.



I have a "night shift" blue pro orc and a 01 CE Roc in my hands as we speak [alright I know some of you are jealous] and the plastic is totally different. The POrc is grippy and squeaks when you rub it. Where as the 01 is smooth and grippy. It's too bad many of you will never know the pleasure of the 01 all I can say is it just feels right. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i was hoping that the special blend would be like my 01 or like early run ce, but i asked dave and he said:

"crdiscgolfer, the plastic is almost identical to the other USDGC Rocs. The mold is different and the flight characteristic is different from the overstable Rancho. Although the special run says Rancho, it is actually an Ontario. I believe the "special blend" was referring to the parts and color, rather than the plastic"

sucks, i was looking forward to a nice taffy roc... :(

Champion Orc, not PRO.

Ya I know the mistakes I got it from Shack this summer the run that wasn't supposed to happen.

While the USDGC Rocs might be running low, please be advised that we have plenty of first-run, first design '05 Worlds Super Rocs on sale at the Pro Shop.

Visit http://www.2005worlds.org/ and click over to the Pro Shop to check out the selection of colors and weights.

Please support the '05 Pro Worlds by purchasing a Super Roc. We are planning on running three different stamps, so grab this first design stamp now before they run out.

Thanks,
John Duesler
td@2005worlds.org

Shoot. I'm happy as a peach if they are "like the ontario mold" even though they say rancho. Maybe they ARE actually the Ontario mold? Opaque and fly like an Ontario... I couldn't have asked for anything more. And the glows look simple and sweet.

off the subject: i threw a 04 glow yesterday and was very impressed!! very versatile disc!! this was the first champion roc for me to throw!!

Even if these feel like the '01 Rocs, they aren't going to fly like them. From what I understand, the '01 Rocs are the most overstable of all the Rocs. These Special Blend Rocs are supposed to be straighter that the regular run of '05s. Therefore, people will still be spending piles of cash on the '01s.

All I have to say is Ontrario mold CE Roc. How much do you think people would pay for them in a couple years?

The ones Sugar had at DGLO last year were Proline Orcs. That was the first run of the Proline Orc that wasnt supposed to happen. This rung of Opaque Champion Orcs is not the same thing. The night shift mixed up a new blend of Champion plastc Hence the namce Night Shift Orcs and they feel like old CE plastic :D

Here is the latest information including the release date:
2005 INNOVA Champion ROC

Benefiting the United States Disc Golf Championship

& the Educational Disc Golf Experience



Official Release Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2005

Ordering Options

Online (recommended): http://www.zonedriven.com

Phone: 803.366.5028

Ordering Information

All orders placed by phone will be entered online, much like they would if done directly by the customer. Due to the expected volume of calls, there will be varying delays getting orders into the system. Therefore, exact weight, stamp and color combinations MAY NOT BE GUARANTEED for orders placed by phone. If substitutions are not acceptable, please place your order online.

Phone orders will be accepted from 12:00pm to 9:00pm EST on Wednesday, February 16, 2005. Phone orders will resume at 9:00am on Thursday, February 17, 2005.

There is a maximum purchase of 50 discs per person, household or credit card. Orders placed for more than 50 total discs will be cancelled.

Official Tournament Partners may place orders beginning at 9:00am on Monday, February 14th, 2005. (Tournament Partners are those who purchased Partner Packages in support of the 2004 US Championship. Partner Packages for 2004 are no longer available.)

A special collector�s guide will be available online with complete run details. The serious collector is encouraged to review this information prior to making an order.

Available inventory will be visible at the time of purchase. Adding an item to the shopping cart does not reserve it. Only when a transaction is completed will an item be subtracted from our inventory. If an item goes out of stock before a purchase is finalized, it must be removed in order to check out.

Customers will be able to adjust each quantity per line item from a single summary screen prior to check out. In addition, shopping cart contents will be visible at all times during the shopping process.

Orders will be processed in the order they are received. Please allow 2 weeks for delivery.

Pricing (no quantity discounts apply, freight charges not included)

Standard Champion Roc $25.00

Standard Champion Roc x-out $20.00

Glow Champion Roc $30.00

Glow Champion Roc x-out $25.00

This information, along with other updates, will soon be posted at www.usdgc.com. (http://www.usdgc.com.)

Thanks for your support of the Championship.

Take care,
Harold

just got that too, I hope there is some left by wednesday and that the TD Partner don't buy them all :eek:

The ones Sugar had at DGLO last year were Proline Orcs. That was the first run of the Proline Orc that wasnt supposed to happen. This rung of Opaque Champion Orcs is not the same thing. The night shift mixed up a new blend of Champion plastc Hence the namce Night Shift Orcs and they feel like old CE plastic :D



First of all what do you know about old CE except for those Eagles you have and Romines plastic you have been fingering.

So for the last time the orc in question is stamped CHAMPION it is opaque blue 175. And I didn't get it from Shack at DGLO. In fact Shack had a box of them mostly yellow and blue.

For the record I KNOW MY PLASTIC !! Bizzach don't question it.

there should be plenty of availability on wed!! just order early!!

The ones Sugar had at DGLO last year were Proline Orcs. That was the first run of the Proline Orc that wasnt supposed to happen. This rung of Opaque Champion Orcs is not the same thing. The night shift mixed up a new blend of Champion plastc Hence the namce Night Shift Orcs and they feel like old CE plastic :D



First of all what do you know about old CE except for those Eagles you have and Romines plastic you have been fingering.

So for the last time the orc in question is stamped CHAMPION it is opaque blue 175. And I didn't get it from Shack at DGLO. In fact Shack had a box of them mostly yellow and blue.

For the record I KNOW MY PLASTIC !! Bizzach don't question it.



You both are right, but the confusion stems from when you called it a Night Shift pro orc, when you mean Champion, I have 3 of the night shifts

Saw the Special Edition stamp, it's gonna be sweet! A John Dorn design.

No more from me till Monday.

Jessica Simpson
" is this Champion or Proline, It says Champion but I an not sure, Is it Pro Line, That I am throwing :D? "

Saw the Special Edition stamp, it's gonna be sweet! A John Dorn design.

No more from me till Monday.



Post it!!!

patience is a virtue... especially in these day of the web!

Well, Here is a proverb for you

A highway is a road that can make bad manners fatal.
:D

Proverb Webpage (http://proverb.taiwanonline.org/display.php)

screw the regular champion rocs. special blend is where its at :D

Got an email saying the release is 2/16/05.

does that mean 12am? or what time will orders be open??

Got an email saying the release is 2/16/05.



From the news release:
Official Tournament Partners may place orders beginning at 9:00am on Monday, February 14th, 2005. (Tournament Partners are those who purchased Partner Packages in support of the 2004 US Championship. Partner Packages for 2004 are no longer available.)

The USDGC Rocs will go on sale at noon, Eastern Standard Time, on next Wednesday the 16th. Folks will be able to browse the avilable selection on-line before noon, but the various Rocs will be denoted as unavailable in the shopping cart. At noon, the switch will be thrown and they'll all be available.

The 2004 USDGC Partners will be able to order over the phone or via e-mail starting Monday at 9:00 a.m.

Take care,
Harold

First of all what do you know about old CE except for those Eagles you have and Romines plastic you have been fingering.

So for the last time the orc in question is stamped CHAMPION it is opaque blue 175. And I didn't get it from Shack at DGLO. In fact Shack had a box of them mostly yellow and blue.

For the record I KNOW MY PLASTIC !! Bizzach don't question it.



The first run of ProLine Orcs was a mistake and they didnt have a PROLINE stamp yet so they just stamped them with the Champion stamp so they could get them out of the factory. I know what im talking about on this one to BIZZZZZZACH!!! Id have to be that its a proline and not a NIGHT SHIFT Orc

can anyone elaborate on the factory seconds. what are these?
if ordering factory seconds what should you expect?

They're basically X-outs which are PDGA legal...meaning slight imperfections in stamping, etc...

They're basically X-outs which are PDGA legal...meaning slight imperfections in stamping, etc...



so probably safe to say that there are no big defects in the plastic etc.

so probably safe to say that there are no big defects in the plastic etc.


I believe this to be true. I recently traded for some X-out Vikings that were mistamped with a Valk stamp...true diamonds in the rough!

I have had x-outs that had excess plastic/flashing in the middle of the bottom of the flight plate around the dimple. Something about ejector pins or sprues or vents....my plastic injection molding is a little rusty :P. I've also had x-outs that had thicker rims in spots, but then again I've had that on non-x-outs as well :) None of those defects ever made a flight difference as far as I could tell.

question answered thanx!! i believe we will add a couple of those to the order!!

What is shipping going to cost?

When are we going to see what the Special Blend Stamps look like? :)

http://www.zonedriven.com/images/special_blend.jpg

Thanks!

:Di'll take 2

Where to buy? ZoneDriven Pro Shop (https://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/) (new link as of about 10 minutes ago). You should read through the first page and the "How to buy Champion Rocs on the left side of the page.

When to buy? 12:00 PM EST. The early bird catches the worm.

How to buy? Visa, Mastercard, Discover, American Express, Pay Pal, check or money order.

How many can I buy? 50. If you try to order more your order will be cancelled.

How much? $25 for regular and special blend versions, $30 for glow KC edition, and $20 for X-Outs.

Even with a greater number than last year, your favorites may go quickly. Get your order in early, and just because it's in your shopping cart, doesn't mean it's yours until you check out.

Theoretically, 10 people could have the same disc in their shopping cart, but when a person checks out is when it is removed from inventory.

USDGC Roc 2005 Collector's Guide (http://www.zonedriven.com/2005_usdgcroc_collectors_list.htm)

Hope I've answered most of your questions.

Oh yeah, we should have DX Orcs and Champion Gators on ZoneDriven by noon as well. Enjoy!

are all the tribal stamps gold or what? (i.e. silver, rainbow, blue, etc.)

Hey John - There are a variety of stamp colors for the Tribal discs, including Red, Blue, Silver, and White. I did not see any rainbow, but there may be some. However, we were not able to add stamp color as an order preferance this year - Maybe next year.

Take care,
Harold

I hope you guys are ready! :D

Ready for all the Discraft sponsored players?

Ready for all the Discraft sponsored players?



....and disc collectors, and USDGC sponsors. As a 3 time invitee, and 2 time competitor, i think it's a great idea for the Championship!:D

Yes, that's what I meant! ;)

25 minutes now...
One more glow Roc and two Triabals coming my way!

And the bottom drops out...

would love to order......

Never would have guessed.

Maybe there are a few Disc Golfers interested around the country.

Seriously, has anyone been able to buy any yet? I get to the screen with a list for a certain weight, and then click "Buy," and the database times out due to too many connections...

SUCKS!

this is nuts...

I can't even get in the site at all!

Just another example of how the web is not ready for prime time.

Same thing happened to me. They are trying to fix it though so I will have patience. I just hope there is some glo rocs left when I finally get on.

I've set my shipping address, items in cart, but havent been able to get to the actual billing

Can't get to my shopping cart.

tic toc tic toc i need me a roc :p

Can't get to my shopping cart.



me either!!

Can't get on period. totally uncool

seriously, my refreash button is about to fall off

I don't think any of them are being sold..the quantities haven't changed any for at least the 179-gram models

i can't even afford to order any till friday. oh well, maybe by then the line will have shortened. :D

WOOHOOOOOOO 45 minutes but I got the only green flagstick. as well as 5 clears and 5 ices!!!!! WQOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Everytime I try to login I go back to the overload page. :(

The worst part is I'm at work... where I'm supposed to work, not order golf discs!! ;)

isn't that the best part...

WOOHOOOOOOO 45 minutes but I got the only green flagstick. as well as 5 clears and 5 ices!!!!! WQOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



weren't you just selling alot of your discs to get some cash?!? CE Rocs do that to us, don't they... :D

always buying and selling......I came across some cash so I only sold 20 discs out of my collection. 577 discs left.

the question is...will I get the last 2 clears???

My order went through, and my 4 rocs including 2 clear and 1 ice are on the way. :D

My 100th post

yeah, i guess this was a good occasion to jack your post #

Mos def.

As you probably know, the USDGC Roc ordering system has been overwhelmed. This occurred before we could even finish the quantity upload.

We planned for 8 phone order takers and 2,000 simultaneous on-line users, but obviously we miscalculated. On behalf of the Championship, I apologize for the confusion, aggravation, and delay.

Here�s what we plan to do.

1. Take the sever off-line
2. Reboot the server
3. Clarify the orders that were received
4. Bring the server back on-line with the corrected available quantities.

The time it will take to complete these steps is indeterminate. Theoretically, some on-line orders may get through before the system goes off-line. Phone orders can not be taken during this time as the phone orders utilize the same data base as the on-line orders.

Again, I apologize for the situation. Please be patient and we will get the system up and running as quickly as we can.

Take care,
Harold

Harold will you post once the server is back online and ready for orders?

just keep trying. I am trying, and it's painful, but I am getting through with multiple refreshes. I don't think that once you are logged on you are scot free, I think you have to click on the page you want and refresh it a bunch to get through, then do the same for the next page.

testing the time

That would be great matt, except my boss gets ****** when I sit around at work not working! Oh well, life will go on! rWc

So, better or worse than last year ?

far worse!!!

last year i had no problems.... got right through, put my order in, and got them within a week....

Far, Far, EXTREMELY Far WORSE!!!! :mad:Last year I got on and got most of what I asked for. Those that weren't what I wanted, I traded with others. This year, I've wasted over an hour and have to get back to work. I doubt there will be a **** thing left when I get home. If I could log on, chose a few discs, pay and get off, I could do it at work. But I can't sit there and refresh, refresh, refresh. I thought this was 2005!

Not to be dissing Innova or any of their people, I love the folks and the product, but this CE Roc ordering crap is for the birds!
:p :( :mad:

That's what worked for me Matt. But DO NOT bale out on a page once you have gained it by refreshing, because then you are screwed. Speaking of which, I had my order placed and all the way through to the confirmation step when the site went down. This after 90 minutes of refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing......pretty much an oxymoronic word for the process cause it ain't...refreshing....... :D

I guess that shows how much the sport is growing....it is a good thing
And last year the site wasn't as detailed, you had to pick ranges and color preferences.
Cheers,
Matt

At this point I'm putting away all my hopes for this and that type of roc and would just settle for 2 max weight glow rocs.

This after 90 minutes of refreshing, refreshing, refreshing, refreshing......pretty much an oxymoronic word for the process cause it ain't...refreshing.......




Now that was funny! Good luck folks. I know it's frustrating, but hang in there.

Any luck Riverdog?

Just use F5 on your keyboard, its easier, F5 is a shortcut for refresh

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

Isn't the site still down???
I am getting server not found, not too many connections.

the site seems to still be down, i am getting the same errors

Got stuck at order confirmation - the last possible freaking step........ god loves me...... is that you lord? Nope, sorry, it shoulda been.... dog loves me. Good old PurpleHazel. :cool:

...and, yup, the liquor cabinet has been opened....... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Keep drinking and you might order 50 rocs. :cool:

Sorry occifer, what were you saying?

Going outside, cant take it anymore. DX rocs will have to do.

Sorry to hear that B. I got through, about 12:30. I only wanted 2 though. Got the weight and color I wanted.... I hope.

Thanks ZD.

http://www.sunkingdiscs.com

has preorders on theirs or you can wait

That link dont work

I know, I fixed it,

It does now :D

Sorry to hear that B. I got through, about 12:30. I only wanted 2 though. Got the weight and color I wanted.... I hope.

Thanks ZD.



Me too, or at least I hope they dont cancel everything and start over :eek:

Anybody else ever notice that the worm in the bottom of the bottle seems to be smiling at you?

When the site is back up will the phones open up too?

In Soviet Russia, Webpage refeshes you !!!!!!!!!!

Whaddaya -hic- mean ah can't order -hic- order all ovem?!
Bukkin Fastards!

Thanks Eric....my boss is going to be so happy when she sees that the F5 button is now missing from my keyboard from the frustration of it all.....i think i am now going to be joining riverdog near the liquor cabinet :D

talk to me zonedriven....TALK TO ME........dont make me reach through this phone........

That does it! I'm throwin' Discraft!
Oh, wait... :D

.....currently in the liquor cabinet. Not a lot of room, but it's good enough for me.......

I got mine. :) Took 1 1/2 hours but I got them. I think I must have gotten in just before they closed down the site. :D:D:D:D

In Soviet Russia, Webpage refeshes you !!!!!!!!!!




LoL.

Zonedriven tried too make it better then last year. IMO it is far worse!!!!!!! suk it up and keep tring like me..

Any know how many Ice and Clear there are?

is ice = white ?

I think I got a Tribal and a Special. I had my cart full before they were available though. Then, when they went on sale, through some serious refreshing and about 90 minuites, I managed to get these. I did have to drop the other two I already had in the cart because by the time I got to checkout, they were sold out. A pain for sure but it's a learning process. I think they should just sell a ton of them throughout the year and fund USDGC and setting up schools with disc/baskets/courses. They would not be as collectable but people would be able to use them.

I wonder if they will get here before I head to AZ in two weeks.

-Max

Ice = close to clear. some color, mostly blue or light purple hue.
Clear = clear.

Ice and Clear = Gone daddy gone.

Move along, nothing to see here....

Look. This is not Innova's fault nor Zonedriven's. It doesn't matter if you wanted 1 or 50 Rocs. There are not too many servers that can take 2000 or more hits every minute or so. Enough hits and any server in a small time frame and I can assure you that ALMOST ANY server will go down.

If you try to order 50 Rocs, by the time you got your 50th Roc, a lot of the ones you wanted would be gone(like rickb said).

This is telling us 1 thing. The sport is growing and people want the quality *****. If you thought that at 12 you would have been able to order smoothly without any hiccups were living in a fantasy world. Like I said earlier...it didn't matter how many rocs you wanted...that didn't crash the server. The amount of people that wanted these discs did crash the server....

yep gone daddy gone.

Come on Zonedriven get online!!!!!

Ice = close to clear. some color, mostly blue or light purple hue.
Clear = closest to clear.

Ice and Clear = Gone daddy gone.

Move along, nothing to see here....



Thanks, any idea as to numbers of each

Eric...

There weren't that many from what I saw before they went on sale. There was a page that told you how many of each roc and color were made.

For example, there were only 3 purple rocs made. If Zonedriven was up, then I would be able to point you to the page.

Hey Scott -

Yes, the phone ordering will resume when we bring the web site back on-line. Phone ordering can not start earlier because the phone order takers input into the same data base as those ordering on-line.

Take care,
Harold

the page is here....

http://www.zonedriven.com/2005_usdgcroc_collectors_list.htm

but the site is down currently

Harold is there a rough timeframe yet?

I don't know but it appears I got one of them.

that may be cheat, but since some people were getting 20 or 50 of them you can easily do the math and see that some people will be shut out. at least if there was a 10 disc limit, more people would have a chance at getting a disc or two once the servers decide to come back up. and obviously you are mistaken, there are servers that can and do handle huge rushes to buy items. for example amazon.com. maybe they should sell them through amazon next year! leave the online retailing to the pros! ;)

Matty: You seem to know the most.

Will they be taking orders around the clock tonight or will the next chance to get them be during business hours tomorrow?

Of course that all is if they get it back up.

DrEvil

I understand what you are saying. But I am saying that it wouldn't matter if they were going to order 20 or 50 rocs. You could only do one hit on a server at a time(unless you were using multiple computers).

And yes, I agree that the numbers should have been lowered to no more than 10 or 15 per credit card.

I CALLED AND THEY SAID 1/2 HR. TO 1 HOUR IT SHOULD BE BACK UP,no i'm not yelling but i sure feel like it :mad:

I think they're back up!!

I don't know if i would believe it. I have a friend who called two hours ago and they said about 1/2 hour then. I hope so but who knows what will really happen. Good luck to all.
-Max

They are definately back online. 3:50pm central