yay, the naming game

Vanish
Vanquish
Enigma
eminence


Vanquish would be sweet name

Pheonix? I liked odyssey too. I'd say Imp? but that'd be lame cause of the orc. Should play an RPG like Final Fantasy and get idea's from there.



The Pheonix was an old Innova disc...and record holder for a while. (Sam Ferrans comes to mind)

But yeah, I agree...FF games would make a sweet source for cool names!! ( I can see it now...the new "Choccobo" available in all 3 plastics!)

Right now all I can think of is the Ghost. I know its not great but you already got the Spirit and the Illusion.



How about the Wraith!



Other names that go along with the current type of theme that your new high speed drivers include:

the apparition, the phantom (might have been used already, not sure), the shadow, and my personal favorite because of the many meanings it can have "the vision".

The Phantom and Shadow were names of Discraft discs.

Dave, are you still toying with the idea of naming each disc in the Element series after a particular element (ie, Earth, Wind, Fire, Water?) I thought that was a good idea. Is that same thought process being used to create a name for this new disc?

If you are going to do the 4 element thing. I'd suggest fire should be most overstable, wind should be least, earth should be... one with the least glide, and water should be the straightest flyer. Also if you wanted to do an element thing it could be more like. Inferno, tornado, quake, and tsunami, **** thats taken...blizzard. That'd keep the elemental element, but make it a little less tacky imo. Unless you were planning on it like being called and Element F, Element A(ir) Elemend W Element E, or something like that. But I think you said recently that you don't plan on using the same name with slight alterations for discs.

Oh man, I'd die if a disc was named the chocobo, that'd be so bad @$$. Sounds more like a putter though.
I think "wraith" is the best suggestion so far. Going in that undead category is "spectre" and "zombie". Zombie sounds more like an overstable disc though.

I'm not going to claim originality here, since I think that someone else mentioned this on the original Naming Poll, but I like Spectre. It goes along with the Spirit/Illusion theme.

How about

Summit or

Chimera - In Greek mythology, a fire-breathing animal with a lion�s head and foreparts, a goat�s middle, a dragon�s rear, and a tail in the form of a snake; hence any apparent hybrid of two or more creatures. ie. sabre/teebird/illusion/orc
"Chimera" is still used as a general term for a monster made up of combined animals. In genetics, it is a term used when different tissues are grafted together.

Chimera - In Greek mythology, a fire-breathing animal with a lion�s head and foreparts, a goat�s middle, a dragon�s rear, and a tail in the form of a snake; hence any apparent hybrid of two or more creatures. ie. sabre/teebird/illusion/orc
"Chimera" is still used as a general term for a monster made up of combined animals. In genetics, it is a term used when different tissues are grafted together.



Yep, thats why i suggested it.

For a high speed driver I think it should be called the Scream. Great name.

Dr.Schmidt
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Freedom

Miracle or Flamboyant :D

WE have probably had over 400 different individual runs of wizard. Each run varied from 30 or so discs to 300.
Recently we started producing runs of around 800 discs
( 300 lbs of plastic)!
There have only been 4 or 5 runs of black, chances are we may have a few lying around.
What stamp is on the disc and what engraving on the bottom?



The stamp is a gateway disc sports prototype, the same proto stamps that was used on the elements I received. The engraving (i am guessing that its the raised letters on the back) has the patent # on one side and the url of gateway on the other. The disc has silver writing of 173 and soft. If you have any more, I would love to take them off of your hands.

Chris

For a high speed driver I think it should be called the Scream. Great name.

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Yeah, I heard that one too...as well as Blast...but I think he's saving those, not sure.

Gateway Inferno

Gateway Inferno



Yeah, I've thought of that one...its a pretty bad arse name!

Gateway Threshold

Right now all I can think of is the Ghost. I know its not great but you already got the Spirit and the Illusion.



How about the Wraith!



Someone's an ICP fan :cool:I used to be really into them, then started to fall out, but I'll always be a juggalo

Though I don't really throw one, I think Crush is probably the awesomest name for a disc because it's tough. I wouldn't mind seeing something like "the gateway Rogue" or "the gateway vapor" or "the gateway assault"

Still maybe it would be just as awesome to come up with some really wimpy names that people make fun of until you throw (the disc and thrower would have to be awesome):
-The Waft
-The Puff
-The Flutter
-The Poindexter

I don't know, but i think I would want my driver to either be completely tough or completely wimpy either way leaving me with something to prove... I think a lot of the Gateway users already have that mentality.

-Jon

Gateway Keystone, the disc that holds your game together.

Actually, I really like the Inferno suggestion.

for some reason when I hear "The Wraith" I don't think of ICP, I think of that old Charlie Sheen movie.

I think of starcraft...

The Samurai. It could have a badass hot stamp of a samurai with a sword. The Samurai represents power, balance, and focus in the face of battle.

Spirt, Illusion, Exorcist

Whatever the name I sure hope they stick with the smaller stamps. I really like the clean look of the small stamps

haha

Gateway Firebat
Gateway Protoss
Gateway Zergling

I like the excalibur, its like a more powerful version of the sabre, which is the straighest disc.

I personally agree with making it sound more like the Sabre than the High Speed Drivers. A mix would be ideal since this disc theoretically bridges the gap between them.

Gateway definitely has a complete set of High Speed Drivers, so it's important in the name to note that this is a different type of disc.

I like Excalibur and Samurai.

If you want to stay with the sword theme, how about the Katana? :D

What plastic are these made of, and how "soft" are they.

Dave has a soft chief :D

What plastic are these made of, and how "soft" are they.


What disc are you refering to?

Dave:
Check your email...I need directions where to meet you when I roll into town tomorrow night! I have directions to the shop, but I doubt thats where you wanna meet up. (Or is it?) Thanks! See you tomorrow!!

check your PM

What plastic are these made of, and how "soft" are they.


What disc are you refering to?



The disc I am referring to is the Soft Chief. It is the same disc that was in the subject line :)

Isn't the chief the same mold as the wizard except that the chief is made of H plastic?

I nomally use a 175 Monster for my forhand roller disc. My question is whether or not the Speed Demon would be a good replacement/other option as a roller disc.

There was a Chief and a Soft Chief.

Originally there was the Putt'r, Chief, and Wizard.

I would recomend the Spirit, or the Illusion as a forehand roller over the Speed Demon. Get a S Illusion max weight, or any Spirit max weight. I personally use the Spirit. :cool:

The Illusion would be a way better disc to sidearm roll with. The nose of the speed demon, compared to the illusion is too sharp. The illusion nose is more blunt than the SD, so the illusion will go further before flippin over.

There was a Chief and a Soft Chief.

Originally there was the Putt'r, Chief, and Wizard.


It probably doesnt matter but the PUTT'r is a discraft disc. :D

Regular chiefs where straight H in the wizard mold and there were some Soft chiefs that were still ALL H but just a softer blend.
We also had some H/S blends that were softer than regular H and more matted looking than shiney, but most likely were not marked soft or anything.

Ahh ok. I couldn't remember who had the putt'r and who had the putter

Gosh..."putter" is starting to look funny now.

I went out to the course that I will be playing tomorrow and shot a 53 with only 2 drivers, Illusion and JK valk(for turnover drives).

What did you throw for mid-range?

I was throwing beat in Demons.

Today was a different story. Wind gusts up to 30 mph on open holes. Putting was great, but I had issues dealing with a tailwind.

tomorrow will be better.

Dave...I still like the name Fury. The Gateway Fury has a nice ring to it.

Dave...I still like the name Fury. The Gateway Fury has a nice ring to it.



And Dave, if you plan to come out with a more overstable variation of this disc, it could be called the Grand Fury. I'm sure people will be excited to buy the Plymouth of disc golf! :)

Dave...I still like the name Fury. The Gateway Fury has a nice ring to it.



This is the disc that you start slamming against the wall when you have a bad shot

or it's the disc you keep 3 of in your bag for when you have a bad drive so you just throw 2 or 3 without thinking about it and park everyone of them :D

?

With the system crashing, a lot of posts got deleted.

:( I am surprised that my order from Gateway still hasn't made it to NC. Hopefully it will be there today when I get home.

Whats wrong with the board?

Site crashed and some people got zapped. So all the posts of people who got zapped aren't showing up and causing all the blank pages. Need a computer nerd to figure out how to fix all this.

Their site would be much better if they ran .net instead of php. :D

What they need to do is use a percentage of are memberships dues and do alot of dusting on this website!

RT,
You get any of the new discs yet?

Hey Dave I'm really liking the S and H Illusions and I was wondering how the E compared. My S Illusion is broken in pretty good and flips up from a decent hyzer and goes a long way with good glide. When new the H Illusion seems to be slightly high speed understable but comes back consistently.

We have had limited success with the E illusions so far.
( only several hundred made and most of them Yellow)

The ones we have made are very similiar to the H in flight.
They are a little flatter and not as springy with the E in there. The E also has less surface friction then the H so they are a little more low speed overstable and have more resistance to turn!
The H are better for most players right out of the box as the E needs a little breaking in before it will go BIG!

WE hope to have some break throughs the next time we run the E in the Illusion.

Dave what would be the best way to get my hands on one of these E Illusions?

Man stop talking about these discs! Makes me so jealous!

Hopefully they will be here today Dave. Justin said they should arrive Wed. So will see.

Thanks Dave. Is the Evolution going to stay the same as the new Sabres and Blazes? It's really tough and I like how it changes the flight characteristics of the discs, it gives people different options with the same mold.

*sigh* Checked the mail again today...no notice from the Post Office that I have a package. It has been almost 2 weeks since I placed my order.

I understand that the shipping guy was in AZ the weekend I ordered my discs, but I think I should still have them by now.

*frustrated* :confused: :(

Hey Beached same thing happened to me, but it all worked out in the end. Send David an email and let him know whats going on. He was very good at letting me know what was happening.

Yeah. I got a PM from him last night and he is checking into it.

I also won a CE blaze from him on ebay too. I can't wait to get my order in so I can go ahead and start tuning these discs before my next pdga event.

I checked the mail today and didn't see a notification. I decided that I was going to swing by the office and see if it was delivered and it was. The UPS guy did not put the notification slip on my door.

I can't even figure out what is wrong with some of the discs.

Thanks Dave!

I checked the mail today and didn't see a notification. I decided that I was going to swing by the office and see if it was delivered and it was. The UPS guy did not put the notification slip on my door.

I can't even figure out what is wrong with some of the discs.

Thanks Dave!


Most likely they are missing some of the foil on the stamps or they are overruns.
Were any of them custom stamped?

Have you had a chance to fly them yet?

Only one was a custom stamp, and it was a bottom stamped custom stamp.

I am loving the CE blaze. The H Illusion will have to be worked in a little. I figured out that I am not liking the S Elements. They are a little too flippy for me. They have their uses though so I am going to keep them in the bag and stick with my beat in demons for my overstable midrange and my elementx's as my straight flyer.

The EWizard needs some work too...light sanding around the edge of the disc to get rid of the little bit of flashing.

I'm loving my S Elements. It holds any line that I put on it. The Buzzz is/was? my go to mid, and after a few rounds with the S Element, I think my lighter (170) Z Buzzz is going to be replaced. The S element can be turned over easily, and it will hold the turnover line for a long time. Also, with a slight hyzer release, it will flip up to flat and finish straight. More hyzer, and it will have a slight fade at the end. I've noticed that the S element has a good deal of glide. It seemed to handle a head wind fairly well. I'm definitely going to order a few more tomorrow!

Erick

That is what my ElementX's are flying like. I have to be very careful on how I throw my Elements, ElementXs, and Sabres. I tend to like very overstable discs because I generate so much spin.

This is why I normally throw candy plastic.

I am getting another CE Blaze soon from Dave, and I am going to sell it to Hazard. He has a E Blaze that turnsover for him, so I think the CE Blaze will give him quiet a shock :).

Hazard, is loving the H Illusion.

I just got my CE Blaze that I won off of ebay. Dave said that if you paid for the disc with paypal within 3 days of the auction ending, he would send an extra disc. I asked him to send me an Illusion.

Well I just got it, and the Illusion is DEAD F'N FLAT!!! This is going to be one stable pig for a long time.

Is the illusion S or H?

That is what my ElementX's are flying like. I have to be very careful on how I throw my Elements, ElementXs, and Sabres. I tend to like very overstable discs because I generate so much spin.

This is why I normally throw candy plastic.

I am getting another CE Blaze soon from Dave, and I am going to sell it to Hazard. He has a E Blaze that turnsover for him, so I think the CE Blaze will give him quiet a shock :).

Hazard, is loving the H Illusion.



Small correction.

My E Blaze does not exactly turn over. But it will hang onto whatever angle I throw it with as if its life depended on it and deviate almost nil, and it feels very comfortable in my hand, so I have been using it for a lot of anhyzer backhand shots that Will isn't used to thinking I can throw. :-)

The CE Blaze only surprised me the first time I threw it. It is one of the prettiest discs I've seen without a dye job. Seems like I could put two of them back to back and use them as a magnifying glass. I'm going to ask for one when Will and I make a joint misstamp order soon...I think this disc accomplishes the somewhat startling feat of replacing both the Scout I was carrying and the candy Whippet I was hesitating to buy from Will.

I am about three discs shy of ceasing to throw branded Innova and Discraft completely, despite having decided that was no longer my goal.

As a side note...and I know this will probably make people think I'm crazy, which is ok because I am...I've discovered a similarity in disc feel and performance that I didn't expect. I recently acquired (voluntarily) a Lightning Glow #2 Driver (in the Lightning Glow plastic that feels stiffer and more durable than most of their stuff, the almost transparent glow) and it looks, feels, and flies like a cross between my CE Element and my E Sabre. Except with a bead. I thought that was kinda neat.

Bob I was told that Lightning is trying some plastic similiar to our H, but havent seen one yet.
We alwasy blend our H plastic with 2-3 different duromters, so the chances of it being exactly the same is almost impossible.

I still havent had much work woth the Clear Evolution bLazes.
WHat Innova or discraft disc would you compare them to?

I can answer that....

Mine flies like a shorter Firebird. I can get it right now to fly around 300 ft max with a hard fade at the end. I haven't had much consistant success throwing it forehand yet, but Bob put one of my CE Blazes 20 ft away from the pin this afternoon throwing it sidearm.

He is also getting very good with one of my old Chiefs.

I am loving my E Wizard as a short range driver/approach disc.

I think the only 3 Innova/Discraft discs Bob has left in his bag are 2 orcs and a Tsunami.

are you running any Mistamp deals right now besides the Wizard deal on your website?

-Scott Lewis

Yeah he is.

5 mistamps for $35.
10 for $50.

Send him a paypal payment and tell him in the comments what you want/looking for. Be very descriptive!

The discs get sent out pretty quickly and are sent via UPS.

Scott,
If you are intersted in trying our line of discs,
The missed stamped special is a great introduction.

If you already know what you want send me a very descriptive list and we will see what we have.
If you want some help or guidance,send me a "whats in the bag" and we can go from there!
Send the email to david@gdstour.com and I can quide you into what you should try.

Is the illusion S or H?



It is very slick/shiny like H, but has the grippiness of S.

To me my E Blaze is flying just like my old 10x KC eagle. Just has the perfect stability for almost any shot. The glide factor seems to be much better than the S versions, although I still throw my S for flip up hyzer shots a lot!

To me my E Blaze is flying just like my old 10x KC eagle. Just has the perfect stability for almost any shot. The glide factor seems to be much better than the S versions, although I still throw my S for flip up hyzer shots a lot!



Yeah, I'm still gonna throw broken in "S" Blazes, but my clear "E"s will get a lot of use for hyzers and wooded holes.

WE have probably had over 400 different individual runs of wizard. Each run varied from 30 or so discs to 300.
Recently we started producing runs of around 800 discs
( 300 lbs of plastic)!
There have only been 4 or 5 runs of black, chances are we may have a few lying around.
What stamp is on the disc and what engraving on the bottom?



The stamp is a gateway disc sports prototype, the same proto stamps that was used on the elements I received. The engraving (i am guessing that its the raised letters on the back) has the patent # on one side and the url of gateway on the other. The disc has silver writing of 173 and soft. If you have any more, I would love to take them off of your hands.

Chris




Dave...if you do have any of these black prototypes laying around please send me a PM or just a reply on how I can get one or some from you. They are great discs and would love to pick up a few more. Thanks

WE have probably had over 400 different individual runs of wizard. Each run varied from 30 or so discs to 300.
Recently we started producing runs of around 800 discs
( 300 lbs of plastic)!
There have only been 4 or 5 runs of black, chances are we may have a few lying around.
What stamp is on the disc and what engraving on the bottom?



The stamp is a gateway disc sports prototype, the same proto stamps that was used on the elements I received. The engraving (i am guessing that its the raised letters on the back) has the patent # on one side and the url of gateway on the other. The disc has silver writing of 173 and soft. If you have any more, I would love to take them off of your hands.

Chris




Dave...if you do have any of these black prototypes laying around please send me a PM or just a reply on how I can get one or some from you. They are great discs and would love to pick up a few more. Thanks



I would like to know as well.

The more that I throw the CE Blaze, the straighter it is flying.

I also figured out my Element today. I have to change my grip entirely for this disc and use a putter grip(three fingers under, thumb on top, and index finger on the outter edge). That is how I used to throw everything until I got more accurage with the power grip.

You should be able to throw the Element (and putters for that matter) with a power grip. I throw Elements 325-350' with about 85% power using the power grip and they fly perfect.

Yeah I can throw ElementXs with a power grip and I can throw my putters with a power grip. The only thing I can't throw with a power grip is the Elements.]

And when I was talking about the putter grip, I meant the grip when I am actually trying to putt not throw it for distance

I only use a power girp on 400ft+ holes. :confused: :D:confused:

YES, they fly great! unfortunately sometimes too good straight into buffalo bayou :confused:

YES, they fly great! unfortunately sometimes too good straight into buffalo bayou :confused:

I pretty much always throw with a three-finger power grip unless I'm putting. Well, or throwing forehand, which I do a lot. I just get more control with the power grip.

I guess I should try throwing the elements and ELX with the fan grip the next time I get out!
I know these 2 discs are awesome flyers ,but I like jacking up on the wizards the way Tiger does with his wedge when there is enough height.
For me theres not much need between the wizards and Blazes when the fairway is open, I mainly use the Element and the ELX in the woods!
Justin and I had a little putter distance contest a few days ago and both were right at 400 throwing slightly up hill! MOst players dont have this luxury /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

MMM 400 with a putter, how far can you throw with your farthest driver? I'd love to be able to do 300 with a putter. I think I'm up to 220ish. I hear you have to have good form to throw a putter 400. Heh, of course, but like more so than to throw a driver 450.

When throwing a putter for distance, you have too think more about rotation than pure snap. The best way to get more D with the putter is go into a field with a friend and play catch with a putter. Not only will this improve your upshot and short drive capabilities, but will also allow you to work into more D. No doubt the Wizard is the putter of choice for any situation!!! :cool:

Dave I use a hybrid fan-power thing that has the advantages of both and gives me a very accurate long drive. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dave,

Let me just say that the new E blazes and E sabres are absolutely fantastic!

I was wondering what has been run since putting out those awesome clear discs?

Peace

send J.D. a bunch of e blaze's.....so I can drive to dallas and get one...

Well I think Robbie D. has tried to get the Play It Again Sports to carry Gateway, but hasn't had any success.

One of the workers there plays disc golf. He claims he is awesome. Personally, we(me and everyone else) thinks he is full of BS.

I would be willing to place some discs in that PIAS on consignement to get the ball rolling.
PM me their phone number and I will try and make it happen!

Well the guy that owns that store is also the same guy that orders the disc golf stuff for his other 5 stores.

I think RD already tried talking to the manager.

Hell yesterday I told them to get some Wizards and ElementXs in and they will sell.

The guy that was in there yesterday said that we needed more people to request Gateway and then maybe they will stock it.

One more day has passed, and I learned how to throw another gateway disc properly....

A few days ago it was the Blaze. Then 2 days ago it was the Element. Today it was my E Sabre.

Will,
Most of the play it again sports will allow you to sell new and used equipemnt in their stores on consignment.
I would be more than happy to send down a box of discs for them to get the ball rolling.
Try mentioning that to the manager the next time your there and give him my number 314 303 1488!

Learning how and then when to throw the Sabre and Blaze will give you a huge advantage on certain shots over the players who do not throw them :cool:

Robbie has the guy's phone number.

This weekend at the ript tourny, I had to throw a thumber on hole 17. Hole 17 is a 260 ft hole that goes from right to left. On the left side of the fairway are trees that are probably 100 ft tall. Since I had to throw thumber, it takes this easy birdie hole and will make it a lot harder to birdie.

I take out my CE Blaze and throw the thumber of my life. I missed my line by 40 ft to the left. But I threw it so high that it went over the trees. I landed about 20 feet from the basket.

In the first round a guy made a new mando that was a 4 ft wide gap between two trees that were to the left of the fairway about 60 feet from the teepad. Everyone else threw putters. I threw a sabre forehand and had the longest throw by 30 feet(i only threw 150 feet total on the hole).

On the same hole during the second round I had to use my chief as my only disc for the whole hole. I learned that I can throw a chief about 250 ft as a roller.

That was the highlight of both of my rounds.

The ript game sounds like fun, we have been using similiar formats on our sunday league.
Was there any controversy or problems?

Yes there were problems. The problem was that we were laughing too hard to play golf. Other than that it was probably the most fun I have ever had in a tournament.

yeah....our pros were having too much fun.

We ate at Arby's with them between rounds. They were still laughing then.

I want a CE Element X :( *huge puppy dog eyes*

I want a CE Element X :( *huge puppy dog eyes*



Me too!

I have an element x that has reads e-ex on the bottom seems to be the same plastic as my e-spirit

What type of plastic is your E Spirit? Is it clearish?

I know where to get some Clear Blazes...if anyone's looking...

if you are asking me it is a cool looking blue plastic, almost opaque

I just went out and threw my new discs. Well I was very suprised with how the E blazes flew one clear/blue and the other was the milky white. Anyways when thrown hard and flat they held a long line and hyzered out nicely at the end. This was A suprise becaus eup until now I couldn't throw a sabre for beans. Also my H and E illusions flew on a long slow hyzer line and need to beat in a bit but I was crushing the cool blue E spirits. I threw a 360 hyzer that went 475+ and wasn't expecting more than 400'. I just want to say thanks to Justin for getting me the plastic and I will get back after this weekend to talk about how they flew in tournament play. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I just went out and threw my new discs. Well I was very suprised with how the E blazes flew one clear/blue and the other was the milky white. Anyways when thrown hard and flat they held a long line and hyzered out nicely at the end. This was A suprise becaus eup until now I couldn't throw a sabre for beans. Also my H and E illusions flew on a long slow hyzer line and need to beat in a bit but I was crushing the cool blue E spirits. I threw a 360 hyzer that went 475+ and wasn't expecting more than 400'. I just want to say thanks to Justin for getting me the plastic and I will get back after this weekend to talk about how they flew in tournament play. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I too have been really happy with how the new clear Sabres fly...they have become my main control driver for sure! The milky whites seem like the best ones to me...they have a flatter top and the nose seems a tad sharper...they resist turn REALLY well for a Sabre, and have a minimal fade...they're money for sure! (maybe it shrunk more durring cooling?)

Here is my wish list:

CE Sabres
CE Wizard
CE ElementX
CE Illusion

I still can't get my Illusions to roll well for me. Right now my best disc for rolling in my bag are my chiefs.

Here is my wish list:

CE Sabres
CE Wizard
CE ElementX
CE Illusion

I still can't get my Illusions to roll well for me. Right now my best disc for rolling in my bag are my chiefs.



Clear "E" Sabres are already on the shelves! As for Illusions, they run really heavy b/c of the massive wing, so who knows when, but me too!

Theres rumors of Clear "E" ElementXs some day too!

Yeah I know about the CE Sabres. I was actually winning a bid for one a few weeks ago, but I forgot about it and it ended.

Dave,

I won 2-CE blazes off ebay a couple weeks ago . One of the CE blazes what a sweet clear magnifying glass type disc with no stamp. The other was a little funky. It wasn't clear, but it was really flexible. It isn't stiff and dull like my other E plastic, and had a dark magenta color and a stamp. It's rim is all jacked up on the inside with ripples and bumps. It reminded me of a really flexible Innova CE plastic. Just curious if you knew what it is? Did you run anything else like that?

Also, I know that this has been brought up, but how can you identify the Nike Spirits? I have tons of green E spirits, but I don't think any of them are Nike. I really like the ones I got and was thinking about hunting down a CE Spirit for some added durability. Could you maybe explain what flight differences to expect. Also are the CE spirits extinct or can I still get one somewhere?

Sorry for the long post / Thanks in advance
-jon

I'm not David, but I can partially answer that....

Its really easy to tell if its a Nike Spirit...they are "candy" plastic, in other words uretheyne based. They are similar in look and feel to Elite Z or Champion plastics of competetors...their flight is about the same, but they are more durable. As far as future runs, I know David was working on that, but he'll have to give you the answer for sure.

Sorry to ask this, if it has already been answered....

What is a Nike Spirit? Any relation to the shoes? Just curious, that phrase caught my eye. Thanks in advance.

Yeah they melt down the shoes and use them in the plastic. Supposedly the plastic was given to Gateway to use by Nike and after experimenting with it it worked. They fly very nicely and I know that Justin throws the crap out of them. I used one for all kinds of shots for 6 months and it never changed (very very durable) but then I was and [*****] and skipped it off a basket into a pond. :confused: :D:confused:

Interesting. I'd like to get one. Thanks for the info!

They are SO durable! They are by far the best high end plastic made...grippy as hell, and durable as a wall! They start pretty overstable, but break in nice! I stocked up on them like crazy! And yeah...Justin throws them so well its stupid!

Well I was able for the first time in my life to throw a Spirit straight. It is a little broken in, but I had been using it for flat release hyzer shots last year. This year all of a sudden I am turning everything over and this thing was a dart. Threw it trying to get the hyzer out of it and it never moved an inch. Luckily it smacked that tree at the corner of the dogleg or it would have cleared the road on the fly. So my Illusions and and Spirits I can now throw fairly straight and only get the late fade on them and my H Illusions actually turn over pretty hard (which is great for open D shots). My question for you guys is, would the blaze be able to handle more torque than the spirit/illusion? I Have a couple of old 844 Blazes in my backup box that were too overstable for me last year, but now that I have a lot more snap they may work. What Gateway discs do you guys throw for hyzer drives or do you just change the angle of release? I have been trying to throw my drives the same way and just use different discs, but I can't get anything to give me the big hyzer line anymore. Heck, the straightest disc in my bag is my G5i Demon. The Demon works great for me on holes under like 260, but I need something else for longer holes. I love these discs, but my throw has dramatically changed and need the perspective of people who have been throwing with strong snap for more than 2 weeks. Thanks guys.

I throw "E" Spirits for big hyzer shots. You can release them flat and they get down there a bit before dying left, or you can give them a sweeping hyzer and they will spike the landing.

As far as the Blaze goes, its pretty straight if you can get some power behind it...it'll still hyzer at the end, but its nothing like a Spirits hyzer. They can still go far, and it sounds like you might give them a shot.

I throw a 177 H Speed Demon for big hysers. I can also use my S Illusion with a bit of angle for a big sweeper.

My Illusion finally holds a turnover line!!! yay

-Beached Will

I recently took an E Speed Demon off the shelf and put it in my bag.
We retooled the Speed demon late last year to reduce the sharp edge and smooth out the wing some.
We sent out a box to a guy and he said that they werent overstable at all.
I thought he was crazy, but after a few throws, I found out he was right.
The 176g E Speed demon I am throwing will flip up and fly straight when thrown flat and even turn over into a headwind.
I would say they are less overstable than the Spirit.
I will grab an H Speed demon and throw it soon to see how overstable it is.
We may have to change our flight chart some.

Hey I think I was that guy!! :D:D

Yeah, that's great and all, but Gateway already has straight fast discs. The H Illusion turns over for me out of the box and the Spirit flies wonderfully if you put just a tad of annie on it. I use the speed demon for when I WANT that huge overstability. Throw it hard and up in the air a bit and it will go out a ways and then start cranking left. This isn't good on every hole, but sometimes you need a disc that flies crazy overstable.

Oh and btw... what's the status on the new Driver, Dave?

We are putting together an investment oppourtunity for the new disc, Which will be called the SCREAM!
We are looking for distributors as well as players to invest in a project that will payback 10-20% profit.
There will be several levels for people to invest;
small amounts( as low as $100) and up to $5,000 per person or company.
Anyone who is interested should contact me at david@gdstour.com. The entire investment needed will be around 25K and we have over 13K committed to already.
We should have all of the paperwork drawn up by the end of the week. I will also post the specific details here on the pdga board to give everyone a chance to be involved that wants to be.

Sounds cool...my boss is a HUGE entrapenuer (SP?) and would probably be interested in the details. I'll see what I can do.

Hi, I want to ask the Gateway users for some advice. I am looking for a headwind driver and thought I would try out a Gateway driver for the first time. My choice is limited by the store where I can get Gateway from, they have the E Speed Demon and the E Spirit available that seem to fit my need somewhat. For reference I throw DX Vakyries as my main driver to about 400 feet. Which disc would you recommend? Thanks in advance.

E speed demon will be too overstable.

Get a E Spirit.

They are almost the same mold, but you can get a Spirit to fly much farther before it crashes.

The Speed Demon is a great disc if you are in a hurricane though. In a decent headwind its the only disc I have that will have a decent hyzer line. My spirits will flip and fly dang near straight. Both are good discs for different uses. I have one of each in my bag. I also use the Speed Demon for trick little shots around the basket. Snap it out and let it fall hard left to get around things.

Hi, I want to ask the Gateway users for some advice. I am looking for a headwind driver and thought I would try out a Gateway driver for the first time. My choice is limited by the store where I can get Gateway from, they have the E Speed Demon and the E Spirit available that seem to fit my need somewhat. For reference I throw DX Vakyries as my main driver to about 400 feet. Which disc would you recommend? Thanks in advance.



I would say "E" Spirit...they are great into headwinds and will break in eventually to be a go to disc for distance.

Are you interested in a missed stamped special?
We offer 5 discs for $53 or 10 for $50.
This includes shiping and everything.

I think he mean't 5 for %35

I think you meant 5 for $35 :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Teah and now I can't edit it. :D:D

That's a nice offer but I live in Sweden so that's not an option unfortunately.

Thanks for the advice everyone, an E Spirit it is.

Supposedly there are some new gateway guys in Sweden so you never know. :D:D

Matt,
What happened to the little kid flippin the bird?
Are you trying to say your all grown up now :D

PS,
Nikko and I both won our C tier event this weekend in the open and advanced.
I only beat him by 2 strokes ( he must getting pretty good or maybe I didnt play so well.
The courses were really hard I wonder what the player ratings will be.
Do you knw how they figure that out?

Get me some kind of contact person and number if you can..
Hook em up and I will hook you up.



Dave,

Has anything happened with Air Traffic yet?

Thanks,

Scott

Actually I was told to remove the kid because it was offensive. :DSounds like Nikko played some pretty good golf. I can try to figure them out if I can find the scores.

Justin the Kid took first and George Smith took second at the Lexington Open. There was a three-way tie for first and Justin won the playoff. Way to go Justin, George and Gateway!

Dave the results are up and from the looks of it he played well and you didn't. :confused: :D:confused:

Dave the results are up and from the looks of it he played well and you didn't. :confused: :D:confused:



Yeah, I saw that too...Nikko played a really SOLID tourney!

I am pretty sure they used the WCP from the old pin placements and tee offs.
The course proably plays 6-7 strokes harder now at both JB and Endicott.

Matt,
Would you be interested in playing doubles with Nikko in Flagstaff this year?

I'm very sad.

With you sponsoring Matt, and you and I playing nice, I can't give you shiite on the mess board anymore.

I mean, I could, but my heart wouldn't be in it.

**** you. :)

Yeah JR's right? I will have to make sure It isn't the same day as mixed but I don't see why not. Now just how to get there. :D:D

After your last post, curiosity got the best of me and I couldn't help notice you have a great PDGA rating. Also, you own gateway..so I'm curious... besides something your sampling... what's in your bag???

Thanks,
Jon

Ok here it is

Drivers
2 "e" spirits- low hyzer lines and long S curves
1 "e" illusion- low striaght shots and max Distance (in D competitions)
1 "H" spirit- hyzers and headwind shots
1 "e" sabre- I haven't had it long but I think I will throw it on almost any hole 330-440 from now on. this disc rocks

Midranges
2 "e" elements- straight 240-340' shots
1 "s" element soft straight lines and anhyzers
1 "e" blaze- my most predictable mid I use it on almost anything
1 "s" element-X - straight shots with a little fade at the end
1 "s" demon- knife hyzers and headwinds

Putters
1 "e" wizard <350' open holes and headwind putts
2 "SS" wizards- putts

Ok hope that helps also Dave himself can probably give his take on the discs as well and he is better than me (although I plan on catching him soon) :D:D:D

Hey Scooter, while its great knowing what you throw, I think he was asking Dave. Look at the title of his post and also he said "you own gateway", so unless you bought out Dave he wasn't talking to you. ;) (just ********* you btw)

Well ok my bad but in my defense he was replying to my post and he said that he became curious after the last post which dave's was asking me if I was playing with Nikko so how could that spark interest. Although I missed the point at least you know what i throw and I know that dave and I use the same discs for basically the same shots. :D:DI'm out it is past my bedtime.

Yeah, yeah, youngin's got school in the morning. :p

JOn,
My Game is very simple.
1 - 175g overstable E glow Spirit
1 176g E illusion yellow straight flyer
1 White E spirit that is broken in for Hyzer flip up BIG D!
1 new FLAT translucent white E sabres 176g overstable
1 older domey E Sabre 174 Straight
1 S 172 gram S blaze oversatble
1 broken in Yellow 174g S Blaze hyxer flips & reverse shots
1 broken in 175 protype medium wizard tan
1 slightly broken in firm wizard 172 white
1 new 170 gram for overstable shots glow
1 medium to firm putter 174g white
Player bag regular strap

1 "e" sabre- I haven't had it long but I think I will throw it on almost any hole 330-440 from now on. this disc rocks



I agree...I've been throwing the crap out of these things!!

Get me some kind of contact person and number if you can..
Hook em up and I will hook you up.



Dave,

Has anything happened with Air Traffic yet?

Thanks,

Scott



Just making sure I don't get lost in the shuffle. ;)

Yeah, those E sabres are the shizzle for rizzle. I was throwing my sabre back and forth with my buddy. We were also throwing his pro leopard back and forth. The sabre and leopard had very similar stabilities, but the sabre was going 20-30 feet further consistently. Love that sabre!!!! It's a friggin laserbeam!

I just got an H-Illusion and I liked how fast it was but it was more overstable than I thought it would be. Are there any of them that are straight-understable out of the box?

Yeah there are but it will break in pretty quick. You can also just do the flex-thing :D:D

Scoot_er / anyone else with an opinion,

Sorry for the confusion... Your bag looks almost identical to my bag with one exception.. your Sabre is my Teebird. I haven't thrown a sabre since I've really developed my power. I was always a little worried that the sabre would be flippy for me now, but then I noticed both you and Dave have it in your bag....

How do you throw this thing (hyzer flip, flat)? It it succeptable to light wind issues? Do you throw it max power? Is it your sorta regular controlled driver for 350-400ish strait holes?

Always battling between simplifying my bag and trying new things.

Thanks,
Jon

The new "e" sabres are pretty tolerant to torque and don't really flip. I throw it for hyzer flips and long controlled S curves at about 90%.

If you snap it hard enough, the Sabre will do anything you tell it to. Awesome disc! IT needs more heigh to go as far as a TeeBird although this is much less of an issue with the new clear/semi-translucent ones.

The new "e" sabres are pretty tolerant to torque and don't really flip. I throw it for hyzer flips and long controlled S curves at about 90%.



I second that...I throw mine for controlled drives that pop up from a hyzer a little...plus, they are SUPER controllable for decent distance with like a 4:00 wind.

I've also been using them for long range spike hyzers...they are able to get a little farther out than Spirits, and still get left.

I have been using a Flatter milky white E Sabre Lately.
As previuosly stated they are the 1st Sabres that I have been able to throw full power low to the ground( under 20') without having them turn over.
I am amazed with their ability to be reversed right out of the hand and come out of it 2/3 of the way through the flight.
I have also been using it for hyzer all the way shots where I dont want the skip or penetration of the spirit.
I still use the domey older E sabres for shots that need to be thrown higher and still stay traight all the way to the ground. If the New E gets a little nose up they are pretty beefy.

Kid roc,
Try throwing the H illusion a little lower and more nose down.
As soon as you figure out how low you can throw this disc you will reduce the stability!
Our high speed drivers have "Hyper lift technology" and it gets exaggerated when thrown with the nose even slightly up.
A 20 feet high trajectory is too nose up until it's broken in some!
The same goes for the spirits and even more so!!!!

The NEW disc the SCREAM will offer some of the same speed and lift qualities of the Iluusion/spirit with the control of the Sabre.
It will be able to be thrown further by players with less power and still stay straight!

The NEW disc the SCREAM will offer some of the same speed and lift qualities of the Iluusion/spirit with the control of the Sabre.
It will be able to be thrown further by players with less power and still stay straight!



Now this sounds like the perfect disc for me...... :) :) :)
When do you expect these to be available?

I have been using a Flatter milky white E Sabre Lately.
As previuosly stated they are the 1st Sabres that I have been able to throw full power low to the ground( under 20') without having them turn over.
I am amazed with their ability to be reversed right out of the hand and come out of it 2/3 of the way through the flight.
I have also been using it for hyzer all the way shots where I dont want the skip or penetration of the spirit.
I still use the domey older E sabres for shots that need to be thrown higher and still stay traight all the way to the ground. If the New E gets a little nose up they are pretty beefy.



Yeah, I'm loving this disc for long hyzers and tall flex shots...you said penetrate...

That sweet milky white sabre got me an ace at Bowling Green :eek: :cool:. Check this out though. When I signed up fri. the folks running the sign-up told me that the ace fund was included in our entry fee. Come to find out after the tourney was over that there was a seperate sign-up for the ace pool on sat. morn at the players meeting, so no do fo me :mad:. Pretty bunk. Whatever, it still was a sweeeeeet ace!!!! :D

Thank you for the element, more people need to try this disc. 250' straight as an arrow with minimum effort... very fun to throw :)

Todd,
Nice Ace,
Did you get to see the final nine with Kid and Johnny?

Thank you for the element, more people need to try this disc. 250' straight as an arrow with minimum effort... very fun to throw :)


Have you tried the new E Sabres?
You may get 300 straight as an arrow with minimum effort :cool:

Dave I recently acquired an E wizard, and I have to ask how does it go so far? I can throw the Firm wizards on the same flight path with no worries, but this E wizard goes consistenly 35-40' further. Is the plastic that much of a factor?

Yeah, I sure did. Justin is in such a zone right now. He will be in many more final nines this year I'm sure :cool:. Almost a Gateway trio in the finals with George in 5th. Once again congrats to Justin and Gateway on both of their first NT wins! :DWish I woulda had more practice time down there, but there is always next year! :cool:

Dave I recently acquired an E wizard, and I have to ask how does it go so far? I can throw the Firm wizards on the same flight path with no worries, but this E wizard goes consistenly 35-40' further. Is the plastic that much of a factor?


Surface friction has a lot to do with the distance and speed a disc will travel at.
They are most likely a little more domey than the firm S which ADDS a LOT to the GLIDE, especially if thrown with enough rotation!
Another reason could be the stability.
Most E Wizardsa are more overstable than any S and if you reverse the disc and it falls back left you may get more D than just throwing it on a rope!

Thank you for the element, more people need to try this disc. 250' straight as an arrow with minimum effort... very fun to throw :)



I have to agree. Every Gateway disc that I have tried (Wizards replaced Aviars, Element & Element X replaced Rocs) has become part of my bag right away...hold on...with the exception of the Spirit because I am a weenie arm and that thing makes me feel bad about myself.

I am going after the Sabre next. I can't say that without thinking of "Sean Connery" from SNL Jeopardy.

I heard gateway discs float. Is this true? Hope it hasn't already been mentioned and I missed it. Would make sense if you're hyperlift technology had to do with the discs being less dense than most golf discs, which would result in them having more float in the air and water.

I have only thrown two in the water a "s" blaze and an "e" element the "s" sunk but the "e" floated. This could've been because it landed flat and had a pocke of air under it but you never know. You could throw a few in the bathtub :D:D

I only have wizards.No gateway stores round here, I'll probably be ordering 5 or 10 once the Scream comes out.

Dave and Justin,

thanks for discs and that beautifully dyed hooded sweatshirt. You guys are great. Players from europe should support more this great company. Keep up the good work Dave and rest of the crew.

I might be wrong, but I don't think Gateway give a hoot about Europe, the market isn't big enough.
I managed to get hold of an Element, I love it, when I show it to people, they invariably say "Gateway? Never heard of them"
InFlight magazine (the British DG mag) offered Gateway the chance to advertise, and they turned it down.
So, no demand for it, none of our distributors carry Gateway plastic.

Maybe I will have luck on this thread.....

I have a brand new (thrown in all grass field twice, no scuffs, dings, or wear marks) 174g E-Spirt that I want to get rid of. I will take just about anything in trade of similar value, or cash. I have tried the disc and it does not have a space in my bag right now. PM me for details and questions.

I have all the pics for the website but I don't remember how to compress them so I can give them to Shane. :confused: :confused:

MR 2 putt,
I wouldnt give up so fast on this disc.
Have you tried tweaking the nose down a bit to get it out of shape some?
Do you know this discs works best whne thrown less than 10" off the ground and even as low as 4 or 5 feet.
I can get the E spirits to go well over 400 only a few feet off the ground.
Any shots over 10 feet high with a new non broken in E spirit will be massively overstable.
This disc is one of the best power drivers ever made, break it in some and try throwing it much much lower than youve ever dreamed of and maybe a little nose down into you get it broken in to match you velocity!

Dave,

Well, I did get it close to 400ft. It hit ground about 375. I typically throw 5-10ft off the ground depending on the disc, this one I was throwing 5-7ft.

The reason it truly does not have a space in my bag is because I throw all candy plastic, and new discs. Once a disc becomes beaten up, I get rid of it. I hate to lose a disc that is only good once it was beaten in, then I will be without that disc for a while. And I currently have 2 Z-Predators in reserve.

It is a nice disc by the way, nothing wrong with it at all.

The reason it truly does not have a space in my bag is because I throw all candy plastic, and new discs. Once a disc becomes beaten up, I get rid of it.



Will you PLEASE send me ALL your beat up Z Plastic Discs???

Also I would like to know why you do this as well???

I might be wrong, but I don't think Gateway give a hoot about Europe, the market isn't big enough.
I managed to get hold of an Element, I love it, when I show it to people, they invariably say "Gateway? Never heard of them"


InFlight magazine (the British DG mag) offered Gateway the chance to advertise, and they turned it down.
So, no demand for it, none of our distributors carry Gateway plastic.


Bruce,
I thought I had a deal with fernando Brown to run some promotion events for us (GDSTOUR.COM) but never heard from him after we sent him a box of discs to test.
Do you know of anyone else that would be willing to run an event for us in Great Britain?


Of course we would like to sell discs in Europe and have been shipping several retail orders over there for some time now. We also have some players in Sweeden that we sponsor that are doing a lot of promoting as well attempting to set up some online and brick and mortar accounts.

I think we will do very well in Europe once we can get some distribution set up! Several of our discs have very unique designs that Cater to players with big power and several of them are GREAT for beginners as well.
Like I said before, If we can get a few distributors set up it would be worth our money to advertise in your MAG.

Bruce, you can buy them here in Sweden. There are also two swedish pros playing for Gateway since beginning of this year!
Things are changing....

David,
any news about the new driver (Scream?), when is it coming out?

I read something about an Element-L also, are you working on one.....?

If you want an element-L, then get an S-Element.

I personally don't see why they would be making an element-l but you never know. I second that the "s" element should fly like a more understable "E" /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The Scream is still being built and should be ready to protoype early in May.
Not sure where you heard about an Element-L.
At some point we will build 2 more pieces for the mid-range series ; a new more rounded/fatter top and another wing with a concave and a bigger bead.

The 2 new parts will give us 3 tops and 2 wings for a total of 6 mid-ranges or 4 more new ones!
I am pretty sure we will not be using anymore names like Element-X and all new discs will have their own individual names.
Before any new mid-ranges are built we will release the SCREAM and a few spinoffs of it( more and less stable), a new top for the Illusion/spirit/speeddemon( less overstable) as well as a beadless Wizard( less overstable).
We plan on releasing almost 10 new discs in the next 20 months!
Most new discs will be engineered for the Evolution pro-line plastic as it seems to be what most players want.
Most models will still be run in the "S" plastic as we feel the matted plastic offers better grip and control, which seems to be more important to top pros than to advanced, Amateurs, and recreational players!!

When are you gonna put the new swedish players on your website?.

Yes, please keep the discs working well in the s plastic.

and another wing with a concave and a bigger bead



This makes me REALLY happy!!! I love the ElementX, but would love it to be a little more beefy...sounds like the new wing with the current top would be MONEY. Thanks David!

Hi David,
thanx for the info!!
I have not read about an Element L, I read somewhere on this forum that you wanted to do a series of midrange discs with different charachteristics, since Element and Element X was out I thought a understable one was on the way.

and another wing with a concave and a bigger bead



This makes me REALLY happy!!! I love the ElementX, but would love it to be a little more beefy...sounds like the new wing with the current top would be MONEY. Thanks David!



Yeah, I wish the ElementXs were a little more overstable. Right now my ElementXs are flying like buzzzes.

I am using my blaze as my overstable midrange.

Are you using the E or H element-X's?
They seem to fade more at the end than the S.
Once we get around to running the ELX in the Clear or "CE" evolution they should get more overstable.

Are you using the E or H element-X's?
They seem to fade more at the end than the S.
Once we get around to running the ELX in the Clear or "CE" evolution they should get more overstable.



Thats cool...it should be nice....but the new wing still sounds like a gerat thing...but yeah, a CE ELX would be great to. Can't wait to check out the proto Screams in a while.

Dave.

You said that ur discs or suited towards poowerful players. can i please explain why, and what discs. u consider better for power players. Im thinking aboutrying some gateway discs, so i wanted to know which discs you would suggest.

The spirit and speed demon are power player drivers whereas the illusion is moderate and the sabre is great for all players. Mids; the blaze is a favorite for power players although it isn't necessarily a power disc the element-X and element can be used by all and the demon is overstable for everyone.Hope that helps

Are you using the E or H element-X's?
They seem to fade more at the end than the S.
Once we get around to running the ELX in the Clear or "CE" evolution they should get more overstable.



I am using E EXs. My proto E EX was more overstable than the current ones.

The Scream is still being built and should be ready to protoype early in May.



Ahem, well? After trying and loving an E Element I've been dying to try out a few of the Gateway drivers, figure I can start with the latest one right... :p

Try an H-Illusion...it is a very sweet disc.

Try an H-Illusion...it is a very sweet disc.



Indeed...they're HUGE off the tee!!!

Ahem, well? After trying and loving an E Element I've been dying to try out a few of the Gateway drivers, figure I can start with the latest one right... :p



If you want to try something that isn't one of their wide-rimmed drivers, the newer E Sabres are amazing. Some of their drivers take some getting used to or breaking in for some players, but the E Sabre works great out of the box and gets even better the more you learn how to throw it.

I have read most of this whole thread, wshew. While the recommendation on the E Sabres and H Illusions should be good, the Scream has been talked up as fitting right in between the two (I throw TeeBirds). Also quoted as ready for testing about this timeframe (early May). Hence the comment I made. If they aren't ready I may go for the other two first and wait for other players reviews on this new scream. Cash is kinda tight for the next few weeks (read $0) and I can't seem to find anyone out at the events I go to that will let me try out a few Gateway drivers. Maybe the Durham weekly doubles this thursday, I usually go to the Raleigh on tues instead.

Joe, I have a ton of gateway in my car.

I am selling all of my gateway for $2 each and the CE Blazes will go for $4

I have read most of this whole thread, wshew. While the recommendation on the E Sabres and H Illusions should be good, the Scream has been talked up as fitting right in between the two (I throw TeeBirds). Also quoted as ready for testing about this timeframe (early May). Hence the comment I made. If they aren't ready I may go for the other two first and wait for other players reviews on this new scream. Cash is kinda tight for the next few weeks (read $0) and I can't seem to find anyone out at the events I go to that will let me try out a few Gateway drivers. Maybe the Durham weekly doubles this thursday, I usually go to the Raleigh on tues instead.



Not sure on the timeline on the Scream (David?), but definatly go check out a clear "E" Sabre! They are TeeBird like, but can be thrown a little higher if needed. Plus they are huge with a 4:00 wind!

Joe, I have a ton of gateway in my car.



So how can I meet up with you. I don't know many of DG'ers around here yet. Do you know me? I would be glad to meet with you somewhere and do some bargaining as my lovely wife just gave me $50 for "whatever". Love that girl.

Joe...it is me Will...aka "Plankeye" aka "Beached Will"

I will try to be out at Cedar tomorrow unless I can't shake off this illness.

Doh. Ok, I just knew Plankeye.

I'm looking to replace almost everything in my bag.
Going Discraft would be the wrong direction for me.
And Innova is nice, but not consistant enough for me.
The nice thing i read about here is that Gateway is predictable, every time.

What's in my bag:
KC Pro Avair -170g - All putts
Aviar P&A - 175g - >280' Anhyser drives/Trick shots
Pro Line Rhyno - 172g - >275' Straight/Slight Hyser
Champ Gator - 175g - >260' Hyser/Hyser Skip
KC Pro Banshee - 174g - >300' Hyser/Big Skip Shots/Trick Shots
Champ Firebird - 175g - >350' Hyser/Big Skip Shots/Headwind
Flick - 172g - >380' Hyser/Big Wind
Champ Teebird - 174g - >350' Dead Straight
Champ Orc - 175g - 340-430' Crushes
Pro TL - 172g - >380' Anhysers

Can Gateway replace the incostanticy of these discs?
I'm thinking of attempting to switch everything over if i can.

But if you look at my bag the BIGGEST hole is the midranges.
Its something im working on and the main reason why im interested in switching over.

Please help there are no Gateway players, dealers, or discs in my area!!
--Justin Gill

It seems like you have a pretty well rounded bag, in terms of stability, but you do have gaps in the mid-range area.
We have the element, element-X, Blaze, Sabre and Wizards that can all be used as mid-range discs.(200'-350')

Switching over to Gateway wouldnt be that difficult if you took the time to learn the discs in a field before you take them out to the course.
When used as a set I think you will notice a lot more control in your game, but the learning curve doesnt happen over night.
We offer missed stamped specials to get players started as well as answer questions about flight characteristics once you began throwing the discs.
We have several players on this board as well as our own site(www.gdstour.com) that can help you as you are making the switch!
Please dont be afraid to ask specific questions about the discs and I will always try and answer them within a day or 2!

Ok im gonna take a stab at this for the fun of it;
Your aviars are now soft wizards wizards, your gator is a demon, the banshee is a ce blaze, Firebird and Flick are an H spirit, or from what I hear the retooled speed demon, the tl teebird can be replaced with an E sabre or blaze respectively which are just a little shorter, and the orc with an H illusion. I think thats a pretty good job, just remember that the discs will be different, so dont expect exact copies. I'm sure this list will cause controversey, but I gave it a shot. Hope this helps.

Willie is pretty much right...here's my take on the situation:

KC Pro Avair - Medium "S" Wizard
Aviar P&A - Soft "S" Wizard
Pro Line Rhyno - "E" Wizard
Champ Gator - "S" Demon
KC Pro Banshee - "E" Speed Demon
Champ Firebird - "E" Spirit
Flick - (380' with a Flick?...) "S" Illusion
Champ Teebird - "E" Sabre
Champ Orc - "H" Illusion
Pro TL - "S" Sabre

PLUS...pick up an "E" Blaze as an overstable mid to long driver, "E" ElementX as a stable midrange and a "E" Element for approaches and turnover midrange shots.

Glad to hear you are wanting to try some Gateway! Feel free to post any questions for either myself or any other Gateway folks!

This isn't as much a response to the question as much as it is praise for H Illusion. This disc is very long and very easy to throw. I think that it's as easy to control as an E Sabre but is faster and can be thrown as low as 5' an still go 400'. I release it with a little hyzer and it flattens out and stays that way till it hits the ground.

This isn't as much a response to the question as much as it is praise for H Illusion. This disc is very long and very easy to throw. I think that it's as easy to control as an E Sabre but is faster and can be thrown as low as 5' an still go 400'. I release it with a little hyzer and it flattens out and stays that way till it hits the ground.



For the time being its the best kept secret...its the disc people don't know they love yet! Once more people give these a throw, they will be hooked! Best part: Hyzer release into a headwind still goes FOREVER!!! Try that with an Orc! :o :)

Flick - (380' with a Flick?...)

Yeah... its kinda beat up nicely so it gets some decent D...

I've already replaced my Champ Orc with the H illusion.
The Orc is in my bag, but i haven't thrown it since i picked up that sweet Illusion.

Dave, id like to pick up alot of discs this next week...
Thanks for the call and i hope you enjoyed the Cards/Dodgers game.

Thnaks for all your responses guys...

--Justin

Its all good, I've never thrown a Flick so I don't know...and congratulations on the Orc replacement...you'll be satisfied for sure!

The navy blue E Spirits are a very well kept secret in my opinion, although you seem to have found that one out Chris

Flick - (380' with a Flick?...)

Yeah... its kinda beat up nicely so it gets some decent D...

I've already replaced my Champ Orc with the H illusion.
The Orc is in my bag, but i haven't thrown it since i picked up that sweet Illusion.

Dave, id like to pick up alot of discs this next week...
Thanks for the call and i hope you enjoyed the Cards/Dodgers game.

Thnaks for all your responses guys...

--Justin


Whenever you're ready just shoot me that email and I will guide you into what you need!

THanks for all your advise guys and especially Justin and David.
I put the order in last ngiht and i can't wait!

I'll keep you informed on my (i hope) sucess!

--Deuce

The navy blue E Spirits are a very well kept secret in my opinion, although you seem to have found that one out Chris




shhhh, be very very quiet...

I'm planning on getting some E-Elements and E-Element X's and was wondering what colors are they available in. I've only seen them in white. What other colors are available? Are the colors the same for all the molds?

Thanks

I'm planning on getting some E-Elements and E-Element X's and was wondering what colors are they available in. I've only seen them in white. What other colors are available? Are the colors the same for all the molds?

Thanks



I've seen clear "E" Elements in White, Green and Black.
And "E" ElementXs in Red, Teal, White, Yellow, Pinkish and a few I forget.

Not sure if Davids run any clear ElementXs yet though...when he does, those should be pretty nice.

I've got some of those E Element-x's in different colors Buddah. Just haven't seen you for a while. Just shoot me a PM and we can try to hook up at Token Creek sometime soon. :cool:

Todd,
Any chance for you to make it down next week for the St Louis open?
I hear there are some guys coming from the Joliet Area.

Dave,
You or any GDS members coming to Disc 'n Dat Bluegrass Open 5/28-29? I know Justin and George like Kentucky. Justin has 2 wins that I know of in KY - Lexington and Bowling Green. Could add another one?

Not sure dan, I will ask them.
I know I could sure use a break from work.
Do you know of any Cincinatti guys coming to St Louis this weekend for our big event?

Dave,
There's a fairly local tourney in Dayton and the Canton Hall of Chains that people are going to from around here I believe. Maybe next year we could work on getting some players frome each area to go to the other?

Oh, yeah there's another Pro-Am tourney in Louisville that players are going to. Lots of tourneys any more competing for players.

Hopefully we can get an A tier next year that will help in getting some of the players to travel to our fine city with several very challenging courses.
I am betting the winner of our event this weekend will be around +2 - +4, if it's windy at all even higher.

I received my order from Gateway a couple of days ago and couldn't get out until last night. Amazed at the plastic. Just amazed. The variety of stiffness in the Wizard blew me and all my friends away. I love the fact that i don't have to switch between molds now, just stiffnesses. I'm stuck at work on a beautiful day and when i get out we have a new course clearing project so maybe after all of that i might be able to get a round in with the new plastic.

I replaced everything in my bag except my flippy beat-in putter and my beat-up champ beasts for rollers.

BTW: What Gateway disc do you find best for a back hand roller?

THANKS A BUNCH!
--Deuce

I roll an H Illusion, an S Sabre or an E Element depending on the distance and situation. Dave and Justin use Blazes, but you've gotta really beat that up for a long time to get it flippy enough to roll

I roll an H Illusion, an S Sabre or an E Element depending on the distance and situation. Dave and Justin use Blazes, but you've gotta really beat that up for a long time to get it flippy enough to roll



Ummm....I'd say that Illusions roll forever...I have one that is still heading down I-70 somewhere!!

But yeah, any Illusion will do..."S" breaks in quickest and slowest if that makes sense....I currently am using an "E" Illusion that was puffy winged to begin with (Flippy off shelf) and has seen its share of trees.

I think you will have success rolling either a sabre or Illusion for distance and an Element for controlled shorter shots.
If they cut too hard right than you should go to a blaze.
It all depends on your power and how much rotation you put on it.
I throw rollers with a lot of angle that stands up as it goes along without ever turning over. ( hopefully)

The ilusions will go the farthest as the long fat wing make it the MOST Gyroscopic disc on the market.

Dave, any news on the Scream, when do you plan to release it ?

Just got some of your new run soft wizards in the mail, and man do they feel great! Thanks for creating the best putt and approach disc ever! Love that baby blue color too...

I just received an old school Wiz while in Austin and i think it is a Med or firm but man I am loving it as of right now. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So, Dave or other Gateway dudes, tell me again how the hell to throw the Illusion!! I was really looking forward to throwing it, but I could kill it distance-wise with my DX Beasts, Champ Orcs and even with my first times trying the E-Sabre. Not at all what I'd heard about it, so I figure I'm doing something wrong.
I hope it's not just that the one I have is S plastic...

On the plus side, I loved the Sabre, Spirit, Demon, Element-X, and Element (ok, I already loved that one), the Wizard seems cool, great for approaches, I just need to beat a couple in to putt with. I forgot to try the Blaze, will do this weekend.

The "s" is mad overstable when new even for the guys who are used to gateway they need to be broken in. By the way the blaze is awesome!!!!!!!!!!

Ah ok, that was my problem with it, way too overstable. I also remember reading that it likes to be thrown real low? Like 6-10' above the ground? I was trying to throw it like I do my Orcs; quite high with a big anhyzer (open field for distance), is that wrong too?

Tell me about the Blaze then. What is it like? What would I use it for? Always nice to know what it should do before you throw it...
For info, I generally throw Roc or Wasp for 240'-300', DX-Beast, Champ Orc, Teebird (may soon be Sabre) or Firebird for anything longer, depending on wind.
It'd be awesome if the Blaze was a disc between these two groups, I have issues with over throwing holes, and it does say "Mid to Long" on the stamp...

Yeah it is a Tweener disc and it flies a little more overstable then a wasp (faster too)

Cool. You'll have to ween me off my Wasp with a crowbar though, after I Aced with it last weekend in Rotterdam :D:D:D

What kind of blaze is it?

S

Dave sent me S-Wizards, S-Elements, an S-Element-X, an S-Demon, an S-Blaze, an S-Illusion, an E-Sabre and an H-Spirit.

General concensus was that the S is great for mids/approach/putters, but just doesn't feel great for drivers, the E and H plastics feel great in the driver molds...

I like the "E" blaze and wiz(for drives) but I also like the "s" spirit and Illusion when they break in. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Since you mentioned that the S-Illusion needed breaking in, I've been molesting it (in a polite way) for the last half an hour. If it ain't **** near taco'd now, it will be by the weekend :D

Maybe I'll do the same to the Blaze...