Here is what Bill Burns wrote me in a email:
"FYI, the USDGC is not a "major" as far as the PDGA is concerned, because it does not give a PDGA title to the winner, and has a separate qualifying structure."

The question I have is why do you have to be a PDGA member to play in the USDGC when the PDGA
doesn't even classify the USDGC as a major. If you HAVE to be in the PDGA to play, should the winner be given a PDGA title?

ps. Bill Burns is the rudest person. The email he sent me and someone else was really unprofessional.

Oh and that isn't all of the email sent.

I went to the PDGA site, and e-mailed their "major" tournament coordinator, and he replied, "if it is a PDGA event, tell your local regional coordinator, and if it is not, oh well..."

OH WELL???????!!!! Oh well... is not the way to end an e-mail to a tournament director, wether it was a PDGA event or not. Which this tournament I am questioning the city listed is indeed a PDGA event.

First I am told that my $50 membership fee will last a whole 3 months, then I hear that anyone that signed up October and later would keep their membership for the whole next year. I was overjoyed! Now I find out through this e-mail from the PDGA official, that I am not current, and if I was, he would have helped me more. GEEE THANKS He would have helped me more IF I was current. "if you were a current member, I might be more inclined to help you." this is crap

The USDGC is listed as a "PDGA major event" along with eight other events in the PDGA-produced National Tour / Super Tour program.

Time to get the ducks in a row, boys!

this dot org should raise membership fees to the 5000$ annually.

all PDGA events should be members only.

entry fees should be raised to the 400 - 500$ range per event... or higher.

supertours should require uniforms with white shirts and eppilets and plaid shorts or knickers.

if you are going to attempt to be elitist-- go ahead and dive in head first. why do it halfway...

If you are not happy with the way things are then pitch in and help out or go do something else.

If you feel that your PDGA membership fee was too expensive or didn't last as long as you wanted then vote with your dollars and don't rejoin.

We (Disc Golf) are what I would consider a fledgling community that is still learning and growing. If you think you can do it better start your own organization or volunteer to help the existing organizations.

If you think something can be done better offer a suggestion. Offer to help out. Run a SuperTour and see how much work it takes. Organize a Major. Keep track of PDGA memberships. This stuff isn't easy.

roflmao. i have volunteered to assist the PDGA quite a few times... and helped to start PDGA events in an city where there were nada... and was a member for a few years.

but-- as i learned more about the "brotherinlawisms" i voted with my denaro and will never renew. (our state has an 83% alltime non renewal rate, btw)

zinger will likely never be a member thanks to the likes of billb. he is a volunteer in our area that does more for our courses than the parks dept does, btw.

"this stuff ain't easy"

sure it is... so far SN golfers have raised more for the SNDGC than Sportsloop has for the PDGA... in less time.

hmmm. send us 45k... we'll raise funds for ya-- and won't even charge an exit fee.

dg is growing leaps and bounds in our area-- new courses, tons of new events, newbie golfers coming out of the woodwork... and all this without the PDGA...

o wait, the PDGA sent us a banner... that must be why our area has such growth in the dg community.

I've got a few questions for TheZinger before assaulting him with the standard "what have you done" defense.

I'm confused as to who you spoke to and who sent these emails. I see you name a name, but then you said you followed up with the Major Event Coordinator (implying a new person), who is the same person you named in the first place.

Second, when did you join the PDGA again? I did a search of your name and found no matches at all (and I did the search of all members, current or not). Are you sure you joined the PDGA at all? If they have no record of your joining the PDGA, how can they help you with a membership issue?

Third, what difference should it make if the USDGC is a PDGA major or not? The directors of the event set up everything, including the qualifying process and the requirement that one be a PDGA member in order to play. Any problem with that and you should address them, not the PDGA.

And finally, what the heck is the question that you wanted answered that prompted all this? I can't figure out if it's a membership question, a USDGC question, or a some-other-event question that you have attempted to ask people within the PDGA.

As for the "oh well" thing...what's the big deal? You asked the PDGA Major events coordinator about some event (I assume that's what you did since you aren't clear) and he says "if it's not [PDGA], oh well..." What do you expect him to say? If it isn't a PDGA event, how can he help you? If it is, he told you who can answer your question. Seems he did a decent job of helping you out.

I don't blame Bill or whoever you talked to if you were as beligerent and unclear addressing them as you are here. If they can't de-code your question, they can't give you the answer you are looking for.

--Josh

I am not a PDGA member. Most of my post was from an email Bill Burns sent a long time Pro and pdga member who went to the USDGC last year. He is also the TD of 2-3 pdga events per year. This all started when we saw that the Southern National Disc Golf Championship(pro) was listed as being in Memphis. The td email Bill B. Most of the post above is what Bill B email back.

ex: "if it is a PDGA event, tell your local regional coordinator, and if it is not, oh well..."
ex: "if you were a current member, I might be more inclined to help you."

This pro renewed in early Oct to be able to go to the USDGC. He was going to renew again in January so he can TD a PDGA events. He never received the renewal package and then he read somewhere that if you renew after Oct 1 it is good until the following year in Dec. After reading Brian's post above I realize that the Pro might I misunderstood. But he still was shocked by the reply that was sent to him. Saying "if you were a current member, I might be more inclined to help you." Shouldn't someone in the office be willing to help more than this?

But my main question is from the email Bill B sent me stating "FYI, the USDGC is not a "major" as far as the PDGA is concerned, because it does not give a PDGA title to the winner, and has a separate qualifying structure."

I am not complaining, just curious. Why do you have to be a PDGA member to play in the USDGC when it does not give a PDGA title to the winner?

ps. Kirk, only helpful posts please.

And by the way Josh

the emails sent said: "This years Southern National Pro Championship is being held in Baton Rouge, La. I see that it still shows as Memphis, TN(last years host). Could you please change this as soon as possible as this is the last USDGC qualifier. Thanks


Now is it clear about what we were asking him? The SNDGC is the last USDGC qualifier. The reason for the email was for someone to staighten out the info the PDGA has posted with regards to which city it is being held.

Josh wrote "What do you expect him to say? If it isn't a PDGA event, how can he help you?" Hell yes. If we thought it was a PDGA event, shouldn't he be very willing to help us make it a PDGA event(by the way it already is)? Whether it is directing us to someone else? But he said if it's not oh well.

But still, my question isn't about how to take care of this(it's being taken care of). My question is Why do you have to be a PDGA member to play in the USDGC when it does not give a PDGA title to the winner?

The SN Championships is a B-Tier, so contacting the "Majors" dude probably wasn't the right guy.

Don't let one volunteer's bad day ruin your disc golf.

Thanks Rhett

We now know that we contacted the wrong person. We were just suprised by the reply we got. I might be wrong, but we thought he would be more helpful and professional.

Like I said, "Don't let one volunteer's bad day ruin your disc golf." /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Harold runs the USDGC and he says you have to be a PDGA member to play. That's the bottom line. It's not such a bad thing to support the only disc golf organization with a National focus, IMHO. Even if you don't agree with everything they do. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

i can think of a handfull of (multistate) regional golfers who have had a similar experience to zinger / will...

they inquire about a PDGA issue... and get a rude email-- or phone call-- in reply.

this is, of course-- not always the case. i have had quite nice phone conversations with pdga powers that be... but have received some fairly scathing emails too-- mainly because i question authority.

from what i have been told by a VERY old school golfer-- rudeness was what started the whole SN / PDGA rift years ago... a PDGA staffer being VERY rude to someone.

hmmm. sounds like they have bad days fairly often, rhett.

or maybe elitist attitudes are contageous?

it would seem that an org with such a terrible renewal rate would bend over backwards to be supportive and understanding of the needs of prospective members, TDs & volunteers.

wwww.whatever, please do not use this board to attack the PDGA. Maybe channel all that anger into something good that can benefit the SNDGC & the folks that pay dues to support this message board.

BTW I've been playing DG for 20 years and have run events for 15 years and fully support our local (MADC) and national organizations. What really troubles me is that you have nothing positive to contribute, but will jump in to join the bashing. Quit acting as if the PDGA owes you something. Fly freely!

Just goes to show that like I've stated before, wwwbarrymanilowissooooohot is a worthless [*****].

"i can think of a handfull of (multistate) regional golfers who have had a similar experience to zinger / will..." I can think of thousands that havent, spunkmeister.

"they inquire about a PDGA issue... and get a rude email-- or phone call-- in reply." Maybe the (alleged) bad attitude was learned from www.isoilmyself? He hates the world.

"this is, of course-- not always the case. i have had quite nice phone conversations with pdga powers that be... but have received some fairly scathing emails too-- mainly because i question authority." C'mon chief, whats the names of the scathers? Your hatred is far and bove more than just the PDGA. Maybe you are not lying...Maybe the PDGA doesnt like assholes that treat them for [*****]? Maybe if you werent such a buttmunch they could have been nice to you?

"from what i have been told by a VERY old school golfer-- rudeness was what started the whole SN / PDGA rift years ago... a PDGA staffer being VERY rude to someone." I have told you that you are a punk wench in heat, and I am a old school golfer, so it must be true.

"hmmm. sounds like they have bad days fairly often, rhett." Sounds like you need therapy, the puppy you had when you were a kid shouldnt of ****** on your head, maybe then you would not be such a peckerwood.

"or maybe elitist attitudes are contageous?" You certainly have caught that disease, baby Adolf!

"it would seem that an org with such a terrible renewal rate would bend over backwards to be supportive and understanding of the needs of prospective members, TDs & volunteers." They are, leghumpers like you just seem to think that you have the definitive way and if you are not controlling something then all is lost. Go find a loser country to DICKtate, and kill the masses that think you are a looney donkeynut. The PDGA is far and above a better Organization than the likes of the DN&VDGAA (Darling Nicki & Victor Disc Golf Analization Association)

who is angry here?

Hello...

OK, everybody, hang on...

First of all, let me try to recap these events involved here. I will refer to what Zinger's emails said in general terms here because _I DO NOT HAVE ZINGER'S PERMISSION TO POST WHAT HE WROTE TO ME IN PRIVATE EMAIL_ (hope I'm not being too subtle here...):

1) Another person, _NOT ZINGER_, sent an email to the "Major Tournament Coordinator" on the PDGA website, and that email gets forwarded to me. He noticed that some information about the location of a qualifying tournament for the USDGC was incorrect, and wanted me to correct it.

2) Here's was my quick response, sent on the same day I received the email:


"If this is a PDGA tournament, contact your RegionalCoordinator.

If it isn't, oh well..."


This qualifying tournament is not a "major", so I suggested he contact what I thought what was the correct chain of command, which was his Regional Coordinator. I wrote the last admittedly flippant comment when I realized that the tournament was not a PDGA sanctioned tournament, and I wondered why he didn't contact Harold Duvall (the info is correct on the USDGC website, which has a link on the PDGA Main Page) or the PDGA Webmaster about the incorrect listing of the tournament.

I could tell from his response that, instead of saying, "No, really, who should I write to to fix this on the website?", he took my last sentence much more seriously than I meant it, and I assumed that he must have thought that I had a paid position within the PDGA, of which there are only a handful, instead of being a volunteer like a great majority of the PDGA "administration".


3)Here's how I replied:

"You know, email doesn't have very good capacity for conveying humor. I apologize, since you have seem to taken my response the wrong way.

FYI, the USDGC is not affiliated with the PDGA, and is not a "Major" tournament as far as what I do is concerned. It has its own qualifying, and the tournament does not contribute points toward a
player's total for WDGC qualification. The only
associations that I know of is that when you check out a player's tournament results online, the USDGC shows up, with no points but it does show $$. Also, I believe that the PDGA State Coordinator does have the ability to designate a player from that state to compete if that player had not qualified through other means.

Also, I was probably incorrect that you should have contacted your Regional Coordinator, since they have nothing to do with USDGC qualifying tournaments.

Theo Pozzy is the default webmaster for the pdga.com site. I have forwarded this to him so he can act upon it. It would be of help if you would state exactly where it is incorrectly listed. On the PDGA home page, there is a link to the USDGC, and that site shows, after clicking on the "Display 2003 Qualifying" link, that the event is in Baton Rouge.

Finally, if you are the [name of person omitted], listed in the PDGA records as #[number omitted], it shows that you are not current on your PDGA dues. I cannot state this as a certainty, but I probably would have been willing to take the time to find exactly what you could do to correct the listing as published if you were current with your dues.

Bill Burns
Acting PDGA Major Tournament Coordinator"

I apologized for the first response and told him that I was incorrect that he should go through his Regional/State Coordinator since the qualifying event is not PDGA sanctioned. I CC'd this response to the BOD member who is serving as the de facto webmaster for the PDGA.com site.

This is the email that Zinger refers to as being sent to "someone else". I won't mention his name, to keep confidentiality.

4) Sometime, shortly after this person sent me the initial email informing me of this mistake, I received an email from someone else, apparently "Zinger" informing me of the same error on the website. Here was my reply,

"[first name of Zinger],

[other person's name] has already sent a message regarding this, and I have forwarded it to the PDGA so that they can correct it.

FYI, the USDGC is not a "major" as far as the PDGA is concerned, because it does not give a PDGA title to the winner, and has a separate qualifying structure.

Best regards,

Bill Burns
Acting PDGA Major Tournament Coordinator"

In his initial post here, Zinger said,

"ps. Bill Burns is the rudest person. The email he sent me and someone else was really unprofessional."

Do y'all think that the above reply to Zinger (not the reply I gave initially to someone else, as shown in 2) above) was "unprofessional"?

5) Zinger's post here on Wednesday, March 26 at 10:24PM states,

"I went to the PDGA site, and e-mailed their "major" tournament coordinator, and he replied, "if it is a PDGA event, tell your local regional coordinator, and if it is not, oh well..." "

_I DID __NOT__ TELL HIM THAT!!! I TOLD THE INITIAL EMAILER THAT, NOT HIM!!!_

He ends his post stating that, basically, he did not know the PDGA's policy regarding signing up during the middle of the year (whose fault is that?), and takes exception to my comment that I would work harder for current members that non-current members. I STAND BY THAT STATEMENT! I am volunteering my time to the PDGA, and my priority is not to give "above the call of duty" service to non-current members about non-sanctioned tournaments!! Tell me if that is wrong!

To top if off, Guru later notes that he does not have this person in the records as a PDGA member at all! Zinger said later in his post,

"Now I find out through this e-mail from the PDGA official, that I am not current, and if I was, he would have helped me more. "

He said that he "found out" from me that he was not a current dues paid PDGA member, but apparently he has never joined the PDGA! Did that fact somehow slip his mind?!?

Y'all reread Josh Connell's post. I think he did a nice job of summarizing the situation.

SUMMARY

1) DO NOT POST EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE PUBLICALLY WITHOUT THE AUTHOR'S PERMISSION.

2) If you have a problem with a response you get from someone, go through the channels of that organization before you complain about it publically. There is no indication that Zinger sent a message to Theo or anyone else in the PDGA organization that he was not pleased with the response I gave him.

Not long ago, I had a problem with a response I received from someone in the PDGA hierarchy, and I corresponded with the BOD members about it, instead of posting the inappropriate message I received on the PDGA Discussion Board!

3) Zinger is not even the one that I sent the initial "unprofessional" response to!!! As of the time I started writing this rebuttal (which is probably an hour or more before the posting time shown), the "other person" has not posted here. WHY IS ZINGER GETTING SO WOUND UP ABOUT MY REPLY TO SOMEONE ELSE WHEN THE "SOMEONE ELSE" WAS APPARENTLY SATISFIED WITH MY APOLOGY AND REPLY???

FYI, I have resigned as PDGA Major Tournament Coordinator.

I still have the enthusiasm to promote and serve disc golf, as Victor does, I am sure, but now, I am seeking to channel it in an area where I will work either locally for the sport or for the PDGA in building the infrastructure of the sport, such as my true love, rules (right Rhett, DGRZ 003?) or technical standards, or course design, where I don't have to deal with the "public", because, as you can tell, I have little patience with them asking for me to do stuff for them when they have not bothered to find a solution for themselves (like sending an email to Harold, for example) before guessing who to contact, and who have not either renewed or joined the org. that they are demanding service from.

Best Regards

Bill Burns
_Acting_ PDGA Major Coordinator

it is always a good idea to be impeclable with your word, and misunderstandings won't happen.

did I just type that? (now if I could practice more of what I preach)

Just read the posts after Rhett's last one...

C'mon, dgd, tell us how you really feel!
(ROFLMResentmentO)!

Thanks, Mark! I needed a laugh really bad and you gave me one. www.isoilmyself - I love it!! I just wish you could be that subtle with the other expletives you write, but I guess I can't have everything (unless I am sending an email to the PDGA - sorry, couldn't resist, my medication has not kicked in yet...) /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Matchu,

I am not "bashing" you, but I am trying to understand what you posted.

Did you mean "implacable" (Impossible to placate or appease), or did you most likely mean "impeccable" (Having no flaws; perfect)?

I think your last post was not impeccable /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

so matt, asking questions is attacking? roflmao. jeez i even attempted some humor in those posts.

not a very good attempt i take it :^P

i can actually understand your defensiveness... i just feel that way about dg-- not this org.

btw, keep up the good work. regional volunteers are the salt of the earth.

you seem like a human-- answer this.... why is it that this org has such a seriously low renewal rate?

no one has ever answered that question.

either they cannot-- or they will not.

pwpud the poser, go look in a mirror and admire your hairstyle-- or the lack thereof-- it is what you do best, you lameass racist moron... or go apply at the CHP again so you can get rejected and have something to post here that actually makes sense.

ps. i'd have to agree with billb about posting emails into a public forum... users should never post an email without the permission of the author, imo.

btw, i wish i had permission to post some of the emails that i have been sent-- both from disgruntled past members about their experiences as well as from pdga leaders. :^p

bill, the "somebody else" you refer to is simply one of the nicest humans in this hemisphere...

a hard working TD that runs about a dozen events a year, himself-- and also attends another dozen or so regional multistate events to help out other TDs with AM payout, staffing, etc... all voluntarily.

ironically, he has (lately) been talking up the concept of bringin more pdga's to our area (mentioning this at our league, recent tourneys, etc)

i think i speak for the rest of the disc golfers in Louisiana when i say please don't judge us by the postings of zinger and wwworker. there are plenty of PDGA supporters around Louisiana and we have made significant progress in bringing more PDGA events to our state including the 2002 and 2003 Mardi Gras Madness, the 2002 and 2003 Louisiana Open, and the 2002 and 2003 Shreveport Sport City Challenge. And, if Will Timmons and Jim Orum, nice but sensitive guys, have not been too offended by a e-mail from a dedicated PDGA volunteer, we will host the 2003 Southern National Championships B-tier and USDGC Qualifier in Baton Rouge on August 30 and 31 with an expected purse of over $10,000. maybe zinger and wwworker are too blinded by their own hatred of the PDGA to notice the great events the PDGA has held in their state in the last two years. i apologize for them on behalf of the rest of the disc golfers in Louisiana and look forward to working with the rest of the PDGA in the future as we continue to grow this wonderful sport.

mikey kernan #14304, La. St. PDGA Coordinator

Glad I could help, Bill/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

wwwiwearhighheels, you hate the PDGA, so let me get this straight...you are bashing it...and you are complaining about it...they still let you post on it...you want questions answered about it...you are not a member of it...you want to better it...yep...I am right...you are a jaggoff.

keep up the good work dgdude. and if you want to help me defend the PDGA on a regular basis, check out this website where all kinds of wwworker PDGA bashing goes on, at http://sndg.org/forum/list.php?

mikey if you are so supportive of the pdga why did you make me turn in an incorrect TD report that did not accuratly represent the attendance?


was it the 5$ a head-- or was it they did not deserve to be included because so many were not members?

and if there are so many members in our state why do we have an 83% non renewal rate?

there are what-- about 6-8 current members here?

mikey, i am the one that helped toad start the LA Open & Doubles, Mr State Coordinator... you'd think you'd be aware of that... (allthough this year Toad decided not to have LA Doubles as a PDGA event, btw)

we turned in TD reports that accurately represented the attendance for those events, btw...

also, i am curious, what is being done to enhance the extremely low renewal rates in our state?

> i am curious, what is being done to enhance the extremely low renewal rates in our state?

Considering the way you go around bad-mouthing the PDGA, I think hiring a hitman to take you out would be a good start, you slimy, worthless load of cr4p.

i would like to clarify i do not hate the pdga.

i do not agree with the brotherinlaw methodology and the way things are done financially-- and am not afraid to say so...

actually the only thing i hate are racist idiots.

as far as personal attacks, you'll notice the only morons i regularly bash on here @ Disc_ussion-- are dgdickhead and nicky.

go figure.

john, i am sure you are a nice enough guy. i have no desire to get into a verbal battle with you.

btw, still no one can/will answer questions about this org-- and as soon as someone asks real questions-- they are attacked by the pdga lemming league. roflmao.

you guys are adults, right? the reason i ask is none of you seem to have the nads to ask the important questions concerning this org... and your tactics are childish...

no wonder the PDGA renewal rate is in the crapper-- anyone who asks questions about the PDGA are attacked.

When will this board be open to only members of this .org to post? It needs to be that way, others should view it, but letting people that do not pay for the PDGA services take up server/storage space should be a priority.

Plus since we have a horrible rate of return on renewal's, it should save us some of that $45K that non-members feel was not properly spent. I think that we may not know if it worked for a few years nothing ventured, nothing learned. Take a chance, it might do something useful!

I for one, think that the negativity that happens on here would diminish just by allowing only those, get this, PAID members to post here. Everyone should read it, but only post if you are a PAID PDGA member.

A hard thing to grasp for many that bash the PDGA, but a needed service that I thought was going to happen last year. With the new website.

Working with the Public is a tough task. I am sorry that the PDGA is losing Bill Burns because a few people ticked him off. Easy to do, and when you type at a box, the rudeness is much easier to do than actually talking. So it is a cheap shot way out. I know I am guilty of bashing people that I shouldn't as well. I am just as guilty, but feel as though I am an elitest, and want to keep it that way.

I pay my dues every year since I joined, played for a solid 15 years before joining the PDGA. I have been a birdie club member, and continue to work with the neighborhoods around town. The PDGA does not do the work, the volunteers do the work to get the name of the PDGA out there. Are you helping create excitement in disc golf, or are you ticking people off by your attitude? Since joining the PDGA, my life has not changed, I am working hard at getting disc golf known in my town. I do work with many people to educate them on the fun and recreational benefit of disc golf, and in turn it creates interest. I do it all in the name of DISC GOLF, not the PDGA. The PDGA leads into showing these groups that I am not alone in my goal of making this sport larger. It lends itself to organize information to pass along to politicians and citizens to help change landscapes. This is done through you not the PDGA, once we grow, we can do other things until then, do something to help the sport grow, either with the PDGA name, or not, but don't get ticked when someone from the PDGA does not bend over backwards to help out on nonPDGA events.

Bottom line, if you don't like what you read, pick up the phone and call. Ask questions, find out if it was a misunderstanding, and most importantly, be considerate, and always give the benefit to the player......A good rule to live by, even if I don't practice it all the time myself.

/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

That being said, anyone ready to start sponsoring the Am World's? It is a PDGA MAJOR!

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http://www.discgolf.info

Sorry,

I meant to say that in a cynical tone about being an elitest. Since that seems to be the tone that people give those that do volunteer their time to the sport of Disc Golf, and after re-reading it, I meant to insert the disclaimer to let you know that I was being a smartas$ on that.

Isn't this thread about the USDGC, sorry to have drifted, I forgot what topic it was.

Jack

I joined the PDGA about two years ago, got some neat stuff, including a membership card, a disc, and quarterly magazine. That's good.

Asked for a promotional packet, got it, it's packed full of helpful letters and promo stuff. That's good.

Needed some guidance in designing a course. Found a guide online. That's good.

Asked for an officials test, got it, filled it out online, got a reply and a card. That's good.

Registered as the TD for a B tier, got a reply and it's in the calendar. That's good.

Ordered a PDGA disc golf bag, got it, like it. That's good.

Had a chance to play with some touring pros, because they contacted the state rep (a part of the PDGA hierarchy). That's good.

Asked to be put on the invite list for World Ams. Got a very quick reply. That's good.

Left a phone message to order some directories and rule books. Got a call back to confirm the order, and received the materials. That's good.

Found some missing info in the directory. Sent updated information, got a reply. That's good.

Learned about many technique issues on the message board. That's good.

Learned about, then later started, a bag tag challenge series due to the message board. That's good.

Found humorous posts by Nick, and Randy ("No I didn't!", "Yes you did."), and poetic styling by Ching Magnet. That's good.

Correspondence with the international office has been outstanding. These volunteers are doing a great job. THANK YOU!

roflmao. jack is a funny guy. good post, btw.

FYI, i do far more debating about the PDGA here than to regional golfers in person.

(hmmm. imagine that. discussing dg issues in a dg forum.)

mostly, regionally-- i just volunteer to help TD's with web sites, flyers, graphics for plaques and shirts (and TD reports) etc...

you guys may not realize it but i tell regional dgolfers all the time that if they want to join the pdga they should-- and have suggested / promoted attending Worlds to AMs that were interested...

point is, john... i do not go around bashing the pdga. i do raise questions here, in this forum though...

Andrew's post...

That's good /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

All you do is spew hatred for the PDGA. Your questions could get answered if you were a MEMBER or even maybe if you werent a schlong. I dont get answers much because I am a [*****]! Maybe you shouldnt be like me, (although everyone loves me) but maybe you should be a kiss [*****] and act like you give a [*****], then MAYBE you will have your answers. You say you are intellegent, you constantly prove otherwise, assdart.

Since you feel that you need to clarify things...
I will now clarify your comment about me...

I am a racist! I hate all Races! Everyone, every color, gender or whatever! I will hate you til I decide I like you, then you may hang out with me. Until I decide that you are worthy of my presence, you are a loser, just like wwwcrossdressersrule!

Rejects like wwwpowertothenazis are the reason that there is still racisim, constantly yelling the word when the word isnt there.

dgdoofus,

it is actually a compliment to be the recipient of attacks from someone like you. thanks.

go look in the mirror and admire yourself, poser. it is what you are good at, you racist moron.

wwwhabitualpreparationHuser, you are the skidmark on the underware of life. Does this compliment you as well? How bout some more bashing of my Organization? Maybe you would like to Kick some frisbee dogs around?

Looks like wwwimasdumbashomer has some fuzzy numbers, imagine that. Spewing hatred with false accusations, just like his best friend, Billy Bob Clinton. I believe the word is

LIAR!

> i would like to clarify i do not hate the pdga.

Sorry, wwworker, but I'm not buying it. I just finished reading all 246 posts by wwworker under the topic PDGA Issues, as identified by the site search engine, and NOT ONE contained a positive or appreciative comment on the PDGA. Not even Dr. Fred is that bad. At least he occasionally has something positve to say about the PDGA. The fact that you could post 246 comments on the PDGA over the course of a year and not find anything to commend it for reveals more about you and your attitude toward thd PDGA than your claim not to hate the PDGA.

i maintain that i do not hate it... that is a bit strong... there are very few things i actually "hate"

however-- i do not support the PDGA in its present state and direction. i think mistakes are being made...

i support dg, wholeheartedly... just not this org... i think money is being misspent and the brotherinlaw methods are not for me...

also, it could be argued that someone has to ask questions-- for it is painfully obvious that most of you will not.

hows this... the pdga is simply perfect and that is why the renewal #'s are what they are... :^p

speaking of fuzzy logic, there are 22,451 all time joiners to the PDGA and only 5323 current members according to this web site... those #'s may not be accurate?

And you call me a poser? You're a joke. Keep slurpin buzzrad pus, wwwmylifeisonebiglie.

Felix,

You have too much time on your hands... Go look for those discs of mine eh!?

Be good my brother!

Tom Cat

you are a poser-- your own words of self adulation and love of your hairstyle clearly prove that.

btw, i see you finally discovered there is a difference between "your" and "you're"

keep learning and maybe someday you'll actually be a sentient being, you racist dolt.

Like its my fault I'm pretty. Jealousy looks good on you, wwwmymommiesclothesfitmewell

Felix,

At least he is consistent.

Yes he is, Kirk. But as G. K. Chesterton observed, "A wooden consistency is the bobgoblin of little minds." /clipart/wink.gif

> You have too much time on your hands... Go look for those discs of mine eh!?

Tom Cat, yes, I do. And what's up with the "eh"? Don't tell me you speak Cunayjan!

As for your discs, they must have entered a wormhole and been transported to another galaxy. Either that or somebody scarfed 'em. Been back twice since the Meltdown, and they just ain't there to be had!

Mikey wrote "zinger and wwworker are too blinded by their own hatred of the PDGA to notice the great events the PDGA has held in their state in the last two years."

Mikey-when have I showed hatred on this POST. I know I might of said a few things in the past, but nothing I have wrote here lately shows hatred at all. I was just simply wondering why you got to be a member of the PDGA to play in the USDGC when the PDGA has nothing to do with the USDGC. NOW I understand.

But here is another question. Why does a USDGC qualifier have to be a PDGA event?

Oh no Mikey, more bad-mouthing. The only thing I said in a negative way was the lack of professionalism presented in a email. Rhett already has stated that I shouldn't judge the whole PDGA by one email. So I'm not.

Bill, nice layout of the whole "conversation". Sure your not always like that. But to tel someone that if they were a current member you would have helped him more was not right. Instead of pushing him away, maybe you could have told him what to do.

Kick his [*****] Brohawk!!!

Did I ever mention that I love Clue?/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

I finally got the pics from the memorial and will post them on my site tonight for ya.

For those that knock Bill's work can eat my shorts. This guy is the usual FREE employee for the PDGA. Just in case you forgot the word...FREE!
People bust their cans just so ardvarkrapin fools like wwwsheeparesexy can bash them for the work they do. If people like wwwIamgay actually help the sport as they say, would just pay up,ask the questions they wish, give POSITIVE input, stop killing others hopes of "what could be" then maybe this could be a better organization...but do you think thats too much to ask? Then you come on here with some stretched truths of what was really said...it makes you look just like wwwmypipidiaperneedschanged. "You catch more bees with honey than with caca"...unless of course we are talking about wwwImover40soImightaswellbeahaterofthenewworld, I hear he likes caca.

Bill has also asked me a couple of times to PLEASE stop with the cursing, so this post was in honor of him...no red dots/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Crushing a racquetball at nearly 200 mph keeps me from cursing on the discussion board.

G.K Chesterton? Felix I have simply got to golf a round with you someday. Do you write for a living?

Sorry that was off topic. You're stupid. No, you are!

PDGA bad! No, PDGA good!

ok zinger, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and apologize for painting you as a PDGA hater although you even admit that you "might have said a few things in the past". i just wanted to distance myself from wwworker&you because i support the PDGA and when i go play in a supertour somewhere i don't want everyone to think that louisiana is full of anti-PDGA people.

www, go ahead and keep posting, but i would like you to actually back up your accusations with facts. if there is brotherinlawism in the PDGA, spell it out. you want to tell everyone why my TD report doesn't show everyone who attended, make sure you have your facts straight about that before you post, and that means remembering that i donated many hours and hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket to that tournament before you post. and your extremely weak argument that retention rates of members means anything is quite a joke. at the end of 2002 the PDGA had 70% more current members than at the end of 1997, and bringing up the fact that there are 21,000 numbers and only 5400 current members is extremely flawed. for one thing, the lower numbers were handed out close to 20 years ago, (what were you doing 20 years ago? i'll let d.g.dude speculate on that) and i think there are only 100 or so #'s in the 7,000 range which was once reserved for international players. and if you want to talk about renewal rates in Louisiana, just remember that a lot of people have not sent in their renewals yet, including the TD of the USDGC qualifier being held in Baton Rouge August 30&31 (plug sponsored by Sky South).

I dont find it suprising that wwwimfullofcrap is the bullshitter he ends up to be. I have always known that he was a dilhole.

Felix - quit looking! Appreciate your efforts for all the area golfers! Your pretty cool for someone who is so close to Raleigh....

Thanks for trying - see ya at Chapel Hill I hope...

Gosh Jack, that sounds like the rhetoric that came out of Nazi germany. Sensor anything that might be contorversial? How will we grow if we are not challenged?

By the way will the Am worlds actaully have a Award Ceremony this year? A good friend of mine won his division last year, and was pretty insulted that you couldn't even make a proper anoncement?

When you say "elitist" do you mean like "all about you"?

PS
Discgolf dude is a genius and a saint (kind od like Damon & Afleck in Dogma- but still /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif, you would be wise to try and understand him.

J

More like Damon/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
Afleck is a puss, like wwwishavemylegs

Kinda funny that wwwimscared gets thrown against a wall, then hides in a corner with NOTHING to say.

dgdude don't count www out yet, it's friday and i'm the only disc golfer in the state who has to work friday, everyone else is out practicing for a tournament in Poplarville MS where the PDGA's matching baskets program put 9 baskets at Pearl River College. i think my brother-in-law put those baskets in.

I went and posted to the site you showed me...wwwimadong is gonna hate me even more/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

mikey, hope you cashed at poplarville. :^p
i did bigtime-- just at the casino... i was busy working to put a dent in a blackjack dealers rack of chips this weekend...

some folks i know were in the area till this morning and wanted to do the casino thing. they are blackjack newbies and know of my card counting abilities and wanted me to coach 'em... we went to the mississippi coast & got a hotel room and pulled multi hour beat the dealer sessions over the last couple of days--

the pit boss finally flatbeaded me though, so we booked early this morning... too late though... we had already turned our original 300 into 2600.

split three ways that is 866.66 a piece for a hundred dollar start off stake, each...

just say no to video crack. slots are for donators.

mark, we disagree, but seriously, hate has nothing to do with it. later.

yeah i did cash in poplarville, let me tell you, that is a great course and the PDGA's money was well spent on it. got to play in the first round with Zinger of all people, and we had a blast, and we got to understand each other a lot better. if poplarville wasn't in a dry county we would have bought each other a beer and put this all behind us i'm sure! Zinger's a good guy and i think he's glad to have the PDGA around, after all, and i'm glad the to have the Southern Nationals around too. peace y'all

whats up MIKEY
Schweb

you could only wish Dude.


wwwillalwaysbeanam.whatever


Schweberger, you guys comming back to Cali for Masters or Skycatz?

JS

hey schweb! hope y'all are enjoying some home cooking there...has McCracken been on a roll or WHAT? see y'all in gainesville in 2 weeks.

John, unfortunately we will not be making it to Norcal this year due to the schedule changes. We are all definitely going to miss our favorite part of the country. If the Headrick Cup happens at the end of the year we will be there for that.
Schweb

Mikey, we are definitely enjoying the Home cooking, but not the tournament weather. We are all stocking up on our share of Bojangle's and sweet tea. See you in Gainesville.
Schweb

Dear Terry �

The PDGA has supported the Championship each year. The PDGA has also provided insurance coverage, publicity, and prompt accurate responses to our innumerable contact and statistical inquiries. Membership has always been a prerequisite to compete in the Championship, and hopefully it always will be. Likewise, the Southern Nationals has always been a qualifier, and hopefully it always will be.

Take care,


Harold

Gotcha Harold,,thanks.

Mr. Duvall,
Any comment from the USDGC staff on the crosstown tournament letting an amateur qualify in violation of the USDGC qualification rules on your website?

Eligibility and Registration:
The top ten (10) overall scores in the Open Division will earn the right to compete in the Championship. Any player finishing in the top ten (10) who has previously qualified at an earlier event, or who has received an exemption, will be excluded and the player shooting the next best score will become eligible.

Other divisions may be eligible to qualify if they are competing during the days and on the same course layouts as those playing in the Open Division. This is to be determined by each tournament director at their respective qualifying event.

If I am reading this correctly, the determination by the TD to allow qualifying from other divisions is only valid if they are competing during the same days and on the same course layouts as those playing in the Open Division. This was not the case at the am crosstown.

David,

I am going to post this here in case some of the folks didn't read the Crosstown thread:

"One last point, if your profile is correct then you are not and never have been a PDGA member. As far as I am concerned you don't have the right to complain or whine about anything. If your profile is incorrect then you need to stop hiding behind a pseudonym. If you have a problem with anything I have said please feel free to drive here from Missouri so we can talk about it over a beer. That is after you become a PDGA member."

Kirk,
As I said, it is nothing personal with you or the crosstown so please don't take it that way. I have the utmost respect for the TD's in this sport. I am merely questioning a decision that clearly conflicts with the qualification guidelines set by the USDGC. I am sure you would do the same as it is obvious that you are not afraid to voice your opinion either. I can accept the fact that the USDGC people made the call and that is why I posted my question to Mr. Duvall.

Peace! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Kirk, why does someone have to be a current member to question the PDGA. Maybe they have a really good question.

Terry, are you just a trouble maker? ...... Just kidding. Nice win at Poplarville.

Rob

Thanks Rob

I'm just wondering why someone has to be a current member to question the PDGA. I question the way David Stern runs the MLB as I'm sure most people do. Questioning is the way people get the knowledge of the organization they might one day want to join. Why would someone join if they don't know much about it. I haven't read the Crosstown thread, this is basically a general question.

I agree with you Zinger, but David Stern is the NBA commissioner. Bud Selig (sp?) is the MLB commissioner.

whoops.

Oh, and by the way Kirk, I just read the other thread and I do agree with you.

You stated you where not aware of the rule about different days. The USDGC should have put their foot down and said this isn't right, but they didn't, so their is nothing you can do now. If someone wants to complain about this, they should complain about it to the USDGC for not inforcing the rule.

My statments above was only for the "One last point, if your profile is correct then you are not and never have been a PDGA member. As far as I am concerned you don't have the right to complain or whine about anything." comment.

Clue, that must the reason I don't agree with the way David Stern runs the MLB /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif oops I do like the way Daivd Stern runs the NBA. Can't wait till the playoffs.

Zinger, non-members are entitled to their opinions and, as long as this discussion board remains a public forum, to voice those opinions. What they are not entitled to is to be taken seriously by those who are actively supporting the PDGA by their efforts and their finances. Talk is cheap; if you want to have a say, put your money where your mouth is.

tell that to sportsloop.

Dosen't it say somewhere that players have to play the same course set up? The course was in a different configuration both weekends.I thought that was the deal.

See Felix, this is what's wrong. If you say that you will respect others' opinions and questions about the PDGA if and only if they pay the $$ to be a member, then you are also saying to all the beginners of the sport who may not know what the PDGA is "That the PDGA members are a bunch of snobs who won't help you to understand until after you join." The quote is what I am assuming you will tell a beginner if they ask you a question because of your comment:
"What they are not entitled to is to be taken seriously by those who are actively supporting the PDGA by their efforts and their finances. Talk is cheap; if you want to have a say, put your money where your mouth is."

I don't believe PDGA members are a bunch of snobs, but this is how you are making it sound by that comment.

If a potential sponser has an opinion that might make him/her sway one way or another or even if he/she has a question, would you tell that person to join if they want to get a serious answer? Or even a beginner for that matter.

This forum isn't just on here for the members of the PDGA. This forum is on here for all the potential members.

Before I join I would want to ask a few questions, meet a few people, etc. And if I read all this crap about "I'm not going to take you seriously unless you cough up some money.", I'm going to walk away and tell the other beginners to not even bother because your not already a member.


ps. I'm not a beginner, but possibly a future PDGA member.

Y�all are correct. The site says �on the same day.� We had done it differently in the past, and it was this past experience that I used in deciding Kirk�s questions.

When making the decision, I also knew about the course set-ups not being exactly the same. As Kirk explained to me on Monday, the difference was minor � only one tee on one hole. More importantly, there was intent to play the course the same until weather conditions forced a change.

I appreciate the peer review function that this forum provides irrespective of the poster�s location, membership, or brand allegiance. Many comments here have helped affirm our decisions and shape our future course.

It�s clear that I made a hasty decision, and it is very possible that I flat out blew it. We will work to clarify this issue for the remaining qualifying tournaments. However, having awarded the spot, I will not further confuse the situation by rescinding the award.

Take care,


Harold

Very well said Harold.

hey harold ...while you are making mistakes,how about past am worlds td's qualifying since there is no us masters to try to qualify at??
or you could consider me a co-td for the memorial since ginnelly can use his pro worlds td spot
to qualify


i'll send you my entry form and cash tomorrow morning........just say the word....
your pal,keith

Harold,

Thank You!!!

Also, let me apologize for causing all of this. I was unaware of the same day of competition change.

Kirk

My inquiry was not intended to be an attack on Kirk or the Crosstown or to stir up controversy. I was only pointing out an inconsistency with the decision and the published qualification guidelines. Mr. Duvall, thanks for clearing up the qualification issue and using the wisdom of Soloman to come to a fair decision.

Zinger, I disagree with your evaluation of the situation with respect to membership. People with a vested interest in an organization always have greater rights than those with no vested interest. That's not a matter of snobbery, it's a matter of practicality.

As a country, we don't allow non-members (citizens) to vote in national elections, nor do municipalities permit non-residents to vote on municipal issues, even though we permit them to air their concerns and perspectives. If their concerns are legitimate, "members" will take up the cause and put it on the docket.

Similarly, businesses respond to the concerns and complaints of established customers more seriously than non-customers because their primary concern is to satisfy their customers, not to satisfy every person who has a complaint or an issue with what they're doing or how they're doing it. A business MAY decide to respond to a non-customer's complaint, but the non-customer has no right to expect the business to do so. Likewise, non-PDGA members are entitled to their opinions about PDGA policies and practices and, for the time being, are free to post them on the board. But they have no right to expect their opinions to be taken seriously at all, much less that they should be taken as seriously as the opinions of PDGA members.

I believe the forum should be open to all.

Rob Williams, PDGA # 18391

I also believe that the forum (in this case the discussion board) should be open to all.

What I disagree with is a Non-PDGA member whining and complaining about the way things are. As I have said before on the discussion board if you don't like the way things are step up and volunteer to help. Whining and complaining only serves to make those of us that do step up less inclined to do so.

Lead, follow or stay out of the way.

Felix, as I agree with freshey with the forum being open to all, I also understand you view on the topic.

But, if a non-PDGA member has a question, he shouldn't get a response saying "If you were a member, I might help you more."

Kirk is absolutley right.
It is a job to run a sanctioned event. It is especially frustarting to run an event and then get your chops busted by people about desicisions that you may have to make. Maybe the people who have all of these opinions about the way the situation was handled should try to use a little more cosideration when voicing a complaint. Or maybe, just maybe, Let Kirk know that you appreciate the fact that he even ran the event in the first place before you chime in with suggestions, or complaints.

Kirk,
If you are referring to my post, you are once again mistaken. I fail to see how simply questioning an obvious mistake is whining or complaining. I would think that you, as the tournament director of a top notch event, would be open to correcting an innocent mistake instead of immediately becoming defensive.

Congrats on running a successful tournament. I'll take you up on that beer sometime. Peace! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I sent in my USDGC entry fee on Monday for my qualifying at the Memorial. I really look forward to playing this tourney and am hoping for late tee times on Sat and Sunday, haha.

Keith, I didn't see any smiley faces on your post so can only assume you were at least half serious. Obviously Danny would have to say who more qualified as a co-TD and I have a feeling you were pretty far down the list even with your volunteer work during the event.

Harold or Jonathan, Is it mandatory this year for a player to send in 100% of his/her entry fee, or can they send $100 to hold their spot like last year?

David,

Unless you are hiding behind a pseudonym I still don't understand why it matters to you who gets qualified or how they do it. As far as I can tell you have to be a PDGA member to gain a qualifying spot through the regional qualifiers.

I became defensive because you accused me of not following the USDGC qualification guidelines. I wasn't clear on the exact rules and did what I thought was the right thing by contacting the USDGC headquarters.

As far as "correcting a mistake" as you put it, I believe Harold made the right call on here (the discussion board) when he stated that since he awarded the spot he would not rescind it. I don't have the authority to change a decision made by someone else for their tournament.

I believe that what you should have done was start posting your questions about the Am that qualified under the USDGC thread and not the Crosstown thread.

Here is your 1st post from the Crosstown thread:

"WHAT ????????

An amateur,
playing in an amateur only event,
in a totally separate PDGA sanctioned tournament,
playing 3 weeks before the official qualifier as listed on the USDGC website,
playing in different weather conditions,
qualifies for a USDGC spot?
How convenient!

Since the am tournament is now also a qualifier after the fact does that mean that tournament director, Craig Ramsdell also gets a spot since he was TD of a qualifier?

There is something very wrong here!"


Here is your 2nd post without the USDGC stuff that you cut pasted:

"Regardless of the qualification guidelines that the Crosstown failed to follow Kirk, answer these two simple questions honestly.
1. Would that am player have qualified if he had played in the same weather conditions as the pros had to play?
2. If the top 10 scores had all been amateurs due to the obvious weather differences, would you have qualified all ten ams and no pros?

In my opinion, you have cheapened the USDGC by failing to follow the qualification guidelines properly. But hey, at least another North Carolina player gets to play in the USDGC on a sneaky move! "

In your first post you accused me of doing something "very wrong". In your second post you accused me of cheapening the USDGC and of being sneaky. Trust me when I say this, I have been very polite on here, if this discussion had been in person I can promise you I would only have been polite until you made the mistake of accusing me of doing something "very wrong".

At this point I would like to refer you back to the Crosstown thread and read the post By John Mclaughlin on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 05:49 am.

John - The competitors need to send in 100%. With increased demand for spots, we had to make this change.


Keith - I wish I could do that, but we can't. I hope that you are able to qualify, obtain a sponsor's exemption, or be the Arizona representative as I would love to see you again in Rock Hill.


Take care,

Harold

Thanks Harold. I've got a really tough decision to make, World's or USDGC? USDGC or World's? Unfortunately, i will only be able to attend one of these events this year. I was fortunate enough to attended both events last year, and was incredibly impressed with both.

Houston stepped up to the plate at the last possible moment and knocked one out of the park. I don't think any other Club or City would have been able to pull it off any better than "Nez" and the Gang.

The USDGC was much more than i ever expected. You guys run the most professional event in our sport at this time. Congrats! Harold, maybe you can help me make a decision. One question...Okay, Two questions: How many miles of YELLOW ROPE will i see this year, and is that more or less than last year?/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

A little known secret about the yellow rope is this ; the worst part about the yellow rope is puting it up and taking it down, not the extra strokes !

Dear John -

Thanks for the kind words about the Championship.

We are not certain at this time how much yellow rope there will be. We are considering "stroke and distance" for all the holes. If we decide this, there would be less rope. If we play the same ground rules as last year, then the amount of yelow rope will be about the same.

Take care,


Harold

thanks harold for your thoughts...but i still would like for you to possibly consider in the future to let worlds td's have a spot held for the following year if they can't make the same year.....it is very unfair that i spent 3 weeks without pay to run am worlds and had no vacation available to use to play the usdgc 3 months later(but still sponsored the event as i have every year since the inception)...i think several worlds hosts would be in the same boat.........it is difficult to spend most of the year not playing or playing little.......expend time,energy,vacation,time away from family, and money to host the events and then get the once in a lifetime opportunity to be exempt from the usdgc qualifying and not be able to use it because of not having vacation time left...........if you could use the exemption in the year of hosting OR the next year it would give some of the worlds td's a much greater chance to be able to play....as i have said to you several times before.....i am grateful for all you have done for me and getting miami disc golf on the map...and i'm sorry that you can't see things from a perspective of someone who had the money to go but not the time away from a new job to be able to go last year......maybe you can at least at changing it for the future to benefit other worlds td's that may be in the same boat
thanks in advance.....keith


ps....dan-o has already chosen the state rep and someone else for his memorial spot so i have no other options.

lance...thanks for your thoughts but most of the other guys WAY AHEAD of me on "your list" had already qualified for the usdgc,but at least you didn't let your personal feelings towards me get in the way of your post

i kind of figured that the way i started the post implied half hearted jestering,but you didn't seem to be sure so tihs time.........
here is a smiley for you /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Harold - AT&T won't let me leave the office till 5pm - can you please start the daily rounds at 6pm?

(let's consider that unlikely)

I will try to be there as much as I can the final 2 days so I can get some quality photos.

Harold - all though babes in bikinis make playing Winthrop interesting, the last time I was there we literally had to skip over holes and just enjoy the scenery. I do not think this would ever happen on a "ball" golf course - we get no respect!!

God Bless America!

Tom Cat

Which reminds me. Michigan must have better crowd control then the Carolinas. Back in Michigan in March you would never have to ask babes in bikini's to please keep thier heads up as we play through....

Keith, I wish I had the $$$, cause I would gladly hook you up with a sponsor exemption if I did. Of course, you'd have to let me caddy for ya, and promise to throw at least 4 Ram shots per round. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

thanks dan....you guys just keep working on the warwick/wolfe course and i'll support that endeavor..i look forward to seeing that/those course(s) again....keith

if anybody out there would like to sponsor me i would gladly wear your collared shirt(even if pink /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif)use your bag and water bottles(as long as i could fill it with pepsi)and do the the best to talk up your company/project the entire time i'm sponsored....sincerely,keith johnson
discgolfer without a invite to the usdgc

Who needs Keith, I'll let ya date my sister if you sponsor me/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif And I will end up higher in the rankings than Keith, and I'm better looking than Keith, I'm more PC than Keith (yeah right), and I'm more fun than Keith (who isnt), I'm smarter than Keith, so how bout sponsoring me?

Nevermind, the wife wont let me go anyway/msgboard/images/clipart/sad.gif
Keith has more balls than me/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Keith, I'd sponsor you but I don't think you'll fit into any of my collared shirts. But, hey, if you wanna try, give me a shout when you've earned your invite. /clipart/smile.gif

KJ, why don't you just TD a major or something? /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

did that already /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Attention Folks coming to Winthrop later this week:

Winthrop Lakefornt is fortunate to have the traveling Vietnam Memorial Wall this weekend. The Memorial will be situated on the peninsula in the vicinity of the green for Gold #5 and the tee or Gold #6. Disc Golfers are asked not to play these holes while the memorial is at the lake. The rest of the course will be open, but there is a strong possibility that folks will be asked to park in the Coliseum parking lot.
This represents a unique opportunity to honor the past and enjoy the present.

Take care,


Harold

Thanks Harold , Getting excited about the event, planning on going down on Teusday.Looking forward to playing the Gold again!!!

So far, the weather looks good for the first two days of play. Low 70s and no rain. Wednesday before is scattered showers.

Anybody in the area got floorspace for 2 NC boys? We need a place Friday and Saturday nights.

C'mon next week.......is it here yet?

Looking for a caddie! I have a fractured ankle Must be good at jugding distances.

I may be able to help you. I am on volunteer tournament staff, but I don't think I'll be needed all day every day. Depends on your tee time too. I will probably see you at Loriella on Sunday.

I AM COMIN DOWNPROBABLY TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY-WHATS THE CADDY GET??? NOT PLAYIN, JUST COMIN TO SEE THE ACTION. MAY NEED A PLACE TO STAY IF THINGS DONT WORK OUT. BUT I WILL PROBABLY BE UP TO CADDY FOR SOMEONE WITH GAME.

tony, if i play like i did last year i'll be able to play my round...eat lunch...go for a jog...take a shower...drive to charlotte and play a round there...

and then when i come back i'll be able to caddy for you.

Jeff Ash,

Am I still slated to caddy for you ?

Don't know if I want to get up that early every day, but we'll see.

Gary, i have your Ace Race, "I aced" disc. If you want to sleep in, you can caddy for me!!! BTW, Mace transported my FC Discart. See, i'm making it easy for ya.

sugar buzz.....ummmmm gotta get some sugar buzz....

Gary -

Might meet you at USDGC after all! Trying to work out some travel arrangements right now - If I do head down I'll be arriving late Friday night... so Sat or Sun lunch is on me! I'll keep you posted /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Cool, I'll be at my my brother's. If you ride, you can stop by and visit the horses.

Hey Jennifer... Tony say he plays better when he has a female caddy...YOUR IN!!!!!!

Please send picture of golf bag with your resume.

Seriously, he would like to work with you.

[email protected]

Thank you

Take him, please!!

MS

Gary,
I think your time will be better spent watching the other activities. If you are absolutely bored to death, and looking for something to do, I'd be honored. Either that, or you could hang out with Caleb, my six-year old son. He's going to the USDGC also!/clipart/proud.gif

Jeff, finish the year strong and good luck! I got and invite but couldn't swing it . I would of like to have met your son, Caleb. Maybe next year./msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

For all those that are coming down early and not playing in the USDGC please don't forget the Disclanding Sunday Survivor Series.

Starting at 9:00 am Sunday morning.
Cost is $20 which includes a commemerative full color disc and the chance to play the Winthrop Gold course as it will be set up for the tournament.

We will also take the low scorer for the day and pay their entry into the Monday Last Chance Qualifier.

Any questions please feel free to email me or contact the store. 704-342-9010

Thanks Jen.

MS

Does any of the tourney staff for the USDGC know how long there will be in between tee times this year. There seem to be 20 or so more people this year versus last year. There still is enough daylight isn't there? Four days till we head down south, not that I am keeping track...

bs

By Harold Duvall on Wednesday, April 02, 2003 - 05:29 pm:

Dear John -

Thanks for the kind words about the Championship.

We are not certain at this time how much yellow rope there will be. We are considering "stroke and distance" for all the holes. If we decide this, there would be less rope. If we play the same ground rules as last year, then the amount of yellow rope will be about the same.

Take care,
Harold
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Does anyone know if this has been decided or not?

A Bet. Need Texas Help.

Sorry to crash a thread, but I need some help from a few Texas Boys: those that play regularly at Z-Boaz and/or Veteran's Park. I need to confirm a $--- USDGC bet with a Z-Boaz Player with the initials of BB; last 3 digits of his PDGA # are 747. (His name is not being printed to protect the potentially chicken) He's an Am (so am I - and I am not playing in the USDGC nor would my play be anywhere near good enough to sustain this bet). The bet was made (in front of witnesses) in the rain after the Z-Boaz Thurs night mini (only 8 players that night due to rain) on Sept 18.

The bet was that the top player from my state would beat the top player from Texas at USDGC. I clearly advised BB that Nolan would not be playing, but that even if Nolan was playing, the bet would still be on. (Nolan told me he was not going to play when I met and talked with Nolan the night before at the Wed night Mini at Veterans Park - at which I got a little lucky and split pro cash with Nolan I might add - Thanks to all the very nice folks at Veterans Park who made me feel very welcome - I had a great time. Hello from North Dakota! Hope the disk I donated from "Spikes Summer Solstice Tourney" Dickinson North Dakota, the epicenter of Disc Golf in the great Northern Interior eventually ended up in the hands of the Am winner that night - Jason I believe)

Anyway, the next night at ZBoaz, I offered to give BB a handicap of 5 places - which he said he did not need, but I would reinstate that handicap if need be. Also, the bet is still good from my view even if Nolan is now playing. If BB needs to duck out of this bet - Well I guess I can understand the fear. I'm using only his initials here so there will be no public shame. I just wanted to confirm it - and if anyone can let me know his response - that would be appreiciated.

Stroke and distance?????? Yikes! That is scary!

GB, Nolan has to qualify on Monday in order to play. He didn't reserve his spot early in the year, and it was given away to someone on the waiting list. I have faith in Nolan. There's no way he won't be one of the top 5 in the Monday qualifier.

So who's your ND boy that you're sure is going to beat Nolan, Justin, Shannon, Nez, Mace, or myself? I may have to "Tonya Harding" him/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif JUST JOKING!!!!!

Or Goodman. He's just a Texan residing in SoCal./msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Or the Aussie hanging out in Texas/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif I will be there Sunday afternoon.

yeah, or Chris!!! Sorry mate, the accent threw me/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I think that ND boy would be Darrel Nodlund wouldn't it?

is The ROY going? speaking of Texas.

Yea, I'll be there on Tuesday, ha ha ha /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Didn't Nodlund finish in the top five at USDGC a couple of years ago? I heard he is scary good but doesn't travel much. Nolan isn't to sloppy himself. Could be an interesting bet.

Darrell Nodland - 1013 rating. Finished maybe 5th the last time he entered the USDGC? Not sure Texas has ever had a player with a rating that high.

Hero:

Please don't take my bet as an insult. The genesis of this bet was after a wierd round where play was extended, inexplicably, by at least one extra hole, in the rain, in the dark at ZBoaz - a course I had never seen, let alone played before. A cynical view would be that one individual was mystified that my luck continued on hole after hole (most of them blind) and if play would have stopped at the end of the stipulated course I would have taken the money. Thanks to a couple of long putts from 4 inch deep water, I still had the low score after the "extra" hole; to fend off the very small feild that showed for the mini that night (Except one guy, who had nothing to do with forcing the extra hole, he had a great last few holes and tied me, then won the tie breaker throw in the parking lot. He was very freindly, and of great help to me off the tee pad when darkness fell and on the blind holes.) I went along with the extended course without protesting in a good natured manner. However, I was a bit insulted when suggestsions were made later that it was impossible that decent disc golf could exist in my state.

Words were exchanged, a bet (that I regret - not so much because of my chances of success or failure), but because - well I suppose beer was involved. However, my Daddy taught me a little about honor and following up etc... and I feel I have no choice but to get this straight now, before t-off. If I lose, I don't want it said that I didn't consumate the deal or didn't follow up etc..

Hero - I hope you have a great tourney.

I thought about your course record at Vet Park when I was playing there, and its a phenomenal record and achievement. Obviously you've got a great game. It is obvious to me that You, Nolan and perhaps others from Texas have the potential to score in the top 5 USDGC or even win it. Good Luck.

That's great that Nolan's going down to qualify. Seemed like a really, really nice guy. Between him and #3 worlds M Randolph, that will leave only 3 more spots up for grabs.

However, I still need to pin down the commitment or concession of BB **747 to the bet before these guys tee off; and I just don't think that's going to happen without a little help from you ZBoaz players.

GB,

No worries, no insult was taken. Actually, given Nodland's previous finish, i'd put my money on him too/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Thanks for the kind words. I'm just ready for my Heaven sent Disc Golf vacation in Rock Hill, SC!

Rope??? /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Yeah there's yellow rope. Everywhere you look there's yellow rope. And pine straw. Pine straw in places you wouldn't expect it to be. And pine bales. Lots of pine bales. where did all the sand come from? Where did all the sand go to? How many miles of rope is there? Rope .......yellow rope ...........my god how much rope can be laid down............... Dreams of yellow rope
nightmares of yellow rope
rope
yellow rope
stop it
get out of my head e v i l y e l l o w r o p e

If any of you sponsored NC players plan to dump of your non-sponsor's plastic in the players package, I'd be interested in buying/trading for it. Thanks.

Nodland is the guy ya never heard of. Unless ya play with the guy from ND, you wouldn't understand. He is the defintion of ROCK SOLID! I had the pleasure of playing with him the year he placed in the top 10 and the the guy Drives on a Rope, Putts on a Rope, emotions on a Rope, oh did I say Rope? Yeah there's rope on the course! That must be it.
See ya in 4 days ROPE!
t

Let's get this up on top. Who is leading the qualifying? Brian Skinner? Tom Kim? Good luck all.

I heard that Nolan Grider won the Sunday Qualifier to the Monday qualifier. I don't know what he scored, but I talked to a guy who shot 68 and didn't win. My money on qualifying today is on a local stat-freak /clipart/proud.gif. Good luck to those attempting to qualify. It is a gorgeous fall Carolina day.

i'm guessing a 68 will be good enough to qualify today.

Good Luck Mike Randolph!

Enjoy the party on Sat Night...The WVO is sponsoring it!!! 4 on the Floor is playing and you get to party WV style! (although I think the home-brew's have to stay home)

I'll do my part to keep the thread on top.

Ok now my part.....

buy a mini, don't be scared!!

Look at some here:

http://www.westvirginiaopen.com/sponsorship1.htm

and order one here:

[email protected]

and sponsor the WVO back!!!!


MS

This just in:

I just called Mace to see how our boy Nolan did this morning at the Monday qualifier. As of right now, Nolan is in the lead with a 64, followed by Randolph's 65, then two local NC boys at 69. We shall see what the rest of the day brings.

BOOOOOM!

Any major changes to the course from two years ago? DD

hopefully all the scores will be posted tonight.....

let's go skinner and tom kim

Alright Jeff Ash! You're in third place right behind Josh Anthon and Jason Antonacci!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif Alphabetically!/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

LOL/clipart/wink.gif

Didn't see any major changes.

New teepad on hole 10 is to the left of the house and is much more challenging than last year's tee.

Hole 11 is different. The ropes have been re-routed to make the fairway wind down into the gulley that in previous years was ob. In my opinion (I have played three times since the rope has been up) it is easier to stay in bounds but harder to get a 5(par).

Triple Mando is still there. The mando is higher than last year though. The rumors were flying about changes to this hole, but in the end they proved to be rumors.

The course looks as good as it ever has. The fairways started getting mowed down about 2-3 weeks ago and a recent batch of rainy days got everything looking nice and green.

ok, any new scoring updates from today?

Schweberger shot a 57 on Thursday. Nolan Grider got a 3 on the 888ft hole on Thursday. Players I have spoken to acted like that wasn't that big of a deal.

How's the stat boy doing Cblay? Is he even playing today? 69 is going to be tough to beat for stat boy.

No idea yet Clue. He should've been teeing off around 2:30-3:00. I couldn't get out of work to join him. 69 is definitely in his range. He and I shot low 70 rounds on Friday in the wind/rain. He also took no penalty strokes. Today is 78 and sunny with little wind. If he gets that flip-putt working...LOOK OUT!!!

I heard from my Atlanta boyz that Phil Arthur shot a 66 in the morning. Scott Renz was on the "bubble' of the five qualifying scores, but was shooting a better round in the afternoon. Go Georgia. See ya on Saturday. Action!

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Statman is out. 74. Looks like 68 is in. My source tells me the course was jamming all day long. Lots of people came out for the qualifier. Must have been some good golfers there.

did players have to pay $50 for every round?

or was it $50 to play as many rounds as you wanted?

i doubt you could play more than 2 with any success though.

Mace informed me that it was $50 for the 1st attempt, and $25 for every attempt afterwards. Looking forward to my 2nd USDGC....2 <FONT COLOR="ff0000">S</FONT><FONT COLOR="0000ff">T</FONT><FONT COLOR="ff0000">A</FONT><FONT COLOR="0000ff">R</FONT><FONT COLOR="ff0000">S</FONT> on the shirt this time. I've been dreaming of yellow roped roads since last Oct. See you soon Rock Hill!

Take it to'em Nolan. Good luck My-Hero.

Statboy is indeed out, with some uncharacteristic par saves, along with some uncharacteristic OB shots, all adding up to a very characteristic 74.

The whole place was packed (with people trying to qualify as well as many already qualified), the weather was a warm perfect, and the course was in awesome shape.

When I came in, 68 was the cut score, but I know there were more players behind us. We teed off only 25 minutes before the alleged cut-off, so there shouldn't have been many left out there.

My-hero is right, $50 first round, $25 every round after. I know some played at least 3 rounds. I know some played only 4 or 5 holes before going back to start over.

Nolan Grider - 64
Scott Renz - 64
Mike Randolph - 65
Phil Arthur - 66
Dan Bradley - 68

These are the 5 that qualified today.

Big thanks to everyone that showed up and gave it a shot, or two, or three.

The course is in great shape right now with finishing touches being done tomorrow and Weds.

Weather calls for rain tomorrow with cooler temperatures and sunny days the rest of the week.

I'll be there about noon, can't wait !!!!

OK, Monday Qualifier photos are up. What I could get in before going home at 9:30.

http://www.zonedriven.com/gallery_monday/index.htm

I had a few hundred more, but didn't want to bore everyone...

Will post more Thursday night, possibly Wednesday Night.

awesome photos peck!!

look forward to seeing the rest....pull my boy schewb through for me

Nice pics Matt!

Great pix Matt! Thanks! Wassup with Mace though? Why is it that everyone else got a golf cart and he got a Gator? /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Thanks for the photos - they're very good!

GOOD LUCK SPRAGUE! (even though you don't really need it - and I ain't frontin)!! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

85 degrees today - beautiful!

Speaking of that - Thanks Angela!!!

Excellent photos Matt.
Tough to pick which one will be my new wallpaper.
See you at the USDGC.
Jack

Isn't time to start making our picks?

It is too obvious to include Climo or Schultz, as they were the only players to break 250 in both '02 and '01, so here are my top 5 picks to make a good showing besides the Big 2:

Haney
Brinster
Gangloff
Moser
Mcree

What did you expect? I'm an East Coast guy /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Haney
Russell
LL
Martin
Todd

NC sweep....

Haney
Schweb
McRee
LL
and my boy..the 17 year old stud.... JUSTIN JERNIGAN

no one has mentioned Hammock....what he shoot last year...like 59??

Hey Robert,

You didn't add the newest North Carolinian, Cam: Home base Charlotte.

yeah yeah i know.....

i was only limited to 5...and my boy Justin can beat Cam any day /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif...

I mean my boy justin won Sneeky Pete and the Dogwood crosstown in the adv. division..u know Cam won sneeky in Pro....and won that world tournament a few years back..but he didnt win the Crosswtown in adv....so i decided to take justin over Cam

Kallstrom was hot at Worlds. Don't overlook him. However Winthrop Gold usually messes with first timers no matter how good. Nodland is also back from a previous top 5 finish.

Hammock Who?

Brad Hammock, he shot a 56 last year for a course record.

I predict a top Ten finsih for GTW along with at least 2 other Raleigh golfers in the top ten!

Never heard of him.

Orum!
Seals!
Kernen!
Davis!

Gangloff
Haney
Schweberger
Brinster
Gawler

Gawler is hoping for a miracle to occur and fix his injured back.

What were the results of the monday qualifier?

ce

swollen nolan!!!!!

Hysell - Bryan found his miracle to fix his back - it's a DO doctor who does OMM - Bryan's in great shape and ready to tear it up on the Winthrop Gold!

Good Luck Gawler! Go Calvert Flyers!

In the top 5...

McRee
Gangloff
Schweberger
Milne
Gawler
Russell

Hey wait... that's 6

shoot'em down C-BUS!

no one is picking Schultz?

top 6 to keep with the trend

SCHULTZ
Russell
Climo
Rico
Haney
Todd

Anthon
Lundmark
Russel
LL
and MYERS!

No one giving action figure Pro McCoy any chance at cracking the top 5.....

Atlanta boyz to look for:
Cam Todd
Ryan Renz
Scott Renz
Phil Arthur
Mike Jackson
Jonathon Pierce
Craig Leyva
Doug Porter

and the Hotlanta gallery will rave!

What up Woody!

Tulsa boy Kevin McCoy always creeps into contention.

Just like the cubbies!

Nodland has been playing more practice rounds than anyone else. 3 a day at least.

The Europeans have been playing well also after they got their luggage back.

The Japanese arrived today with big smiles on their faces.

Kenny has been looking good in practice as has Barry, Brad, Greenwell and the Brians.

Everyone I've spoken too already is completely enthused with the tournament and it has yet to start. Watch out for some first timers to make some noise as well.

Top 20 in no particular order.
Climo - nuff said
Schultz - see above
Todd - might be the year he proves it to everyone
Leonard - finished in 3rd the last 2 years
Schweberger - Worlds might have been his if he didn't hurt himself
Tie - Rico, Russell, Haney, Miline, Grider, Nodland, Lundmark, Hammock, Wolfe, Randolph, Kallstrom, Mcree, Young, Martin, Gangloff

not in this particular order, or maybe....
scott matin - cuz lefties rule
ron russell
todd branch
marty peters
mark ellis
kirk haggadone a.k.a. luna
peter wyangaard
mi is well represented-tear it up!
see ya tomorrow

Schultz
Climo
Grider
Gangloff
Rico
than a bunch of TEXAS Guys!!!

Nolan Grider
Kallstrom
Barry Schultz
Ken Climo
Ron Russell
Not so much in that order but Nolan first place anyway!! GO Nolan do it to it!!!!

It hasn't even started and I can tell that this is the tourney that the standards should be set by. Being my first time here the course is incredible but the organization, the manicured greens and fairways, the tents, the people,... this is the motherload of disc golf. Everyone should aspire to make it to this tourney, whether a spectator or a golfer this is the one. Good luck to all and will see ya on the linx...

Schultz
Climo
Schwebby
Haney
Todd

alrighty alrighty...i joked around earlier...heres my REAL predicitions and ill give the top 10 just cuz i can

1. Shultz
2. Climo
3. Haney
4. LL
5. Todd
6. Schweb
7. Grider
8. Russell
9. McRee
10. Martin

Are there any MADC Region Players at the USDGC who would be willing to bring back 2 Skill-Shots and some other small stuff from INNOVA for the MADCi? It would help save on shipping (money that can go back into the tournament.

Craig? Matt? Anyone? You can talk to Harold directly. Thanks.

Good luck to all of the MADC competitors!

Nick, I will be spectating at the USDGC and should have some room in my car on the ride home. Send me an email with the info.

Lindsay and Harold,

Please check your email.

Regards,
Nick Kight

Great players like water will seek thier own level and win with skill not luck.Ken has been a waterlilly for a long time and my money is on him.I hope you all like the new 1/2" pads at usdgc they are great.If you players enjoy the style of golf at USDGC then you will enjoy the fly 18 style.Harrold has done a great job with what he has to create a risk and reward course with the golf feel.I do not agree with all the holes but he has stuck to his design.This is not your typical park course/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif.I hope to have some events next year all on my perm golf courses 2 to 3 day events.The states will be CALIFORNIA,TEXAS,and FLORIDA I will not have info till early Dec.We will all be watching the action GAME ON may the best player win.

Nick - no email from you - please re-send to
[email protected]

Thanks, L

but where are the fly pads for par 3 in Houston?

In case it doesn't get through again.

Lindsay,

It just askes that you get a hold of Harold and askes Harold if one of his staff could bring the stuff to the course. 2 Skill Shots, Banner, and assorted Innova nick nacks.

Thanks,
Nick Kight

Go Barry!!! ON WISCONSIN ON WISCONSIN!!!

Pete Caldwell.....We are sitting in the computer room at the Microtel after our practice rounds. We lost a combined disc count of 12 with 44 OB strokes. Blakely had 28 of them.....We miss you.!!

bs

Thanks Brad.

For making me not feel so bad for not being there... ;)

Hey Nick got any pools for this?

MS

Ouch...you guys might want to see if they have any Innova plastic for sale/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif GO OHIO!

anything yet in live scoreing or video clips during the rounds?

Get them out of the way now Matt! Good luck to everyone and have a great time.

Gallery Photos - Part Deux.

Wednesday Practice photos.

Wednesday Gallery - Practice day (http://www.zonedriven.com/wednesday_gallery/)

Enjoy guys. got lots of photos for you photo ravenous folks.

About the pics:

(DSC_0077) Pg. 6 far right middle

'I had no idea that Rock Hill boasts crocodiles.'

or

'I heard the touring players had to play for food, but who knew they'd sell a body part for it!'

Sure hope Brinster can keep up with the dual-arm competitors.

Good luck to the 'Sota boyz; Timmy Gill and Am National champ / first year Pro Peter Middle'champ'...er..Middlecamp.

Keep 'Em Flyin'!=======o {>[]---
Tony

Brad Schick - It's ok for Blakely to lose a few - he's sponsored by Disc'nDat. Blakely's last words at the AJ Jolly Course Challenge last weekend when I asked him if he wanted some lessons on the USDGC course, he said, "I'm accurate, I won't have problems with OB. If you did ok last year, I'll do better this year." He's doomed.

Go Jim and Brad and Blakely - get some!

p

I think this is my favorite sequence...

http://www.zonedriven.com/wednesday_gallery/pages/Copy of DSC_0114.htm

http://www.zonedriven.com/wednesday_gallery/pages/Copy of DSC_0118.htm

although these are cool... I had 5 shots and I had to move as the Condor came flying at me....

http://www.zonedriven.com/wednesday_gallery/pages/DSC_0028.htm

http://www.zonedriven.com/wednesday_gallery/pages/DSC_0031.htm


MUST GET SLEEP

oh, did anyone see "The Ring"?

No, not the movie...


THE RING. (http://www.usdgc.com)

Tee Times are up now too.

http://www.usdgc.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=62

GO CHAD SMITH!!!

Great photos!

Not to be a nitpicker but Lavone, I think, had one hair out of place. Could someone let him know please. /msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

A yeah, and Mr. Ellis had one in place...

Good luck guys!

Is it me, or is Juliana not listed on the tee times? There is an evident hole at the 9:20 slot. Anyone got the story? She is in the photos, so she was at practice yesterday.

Good Luck Nez!! Play well all you Texas boys!

Tee time stats:

The 10:40 tee time has 4 1000 players in it (Heeren, McDaniel, Anthon, Nodland). No other group has more than 2. The average rating for the 10:40 group is 1011.

Two other groups have an average rating over 1000: The 2:00 group averages 1001 and the 9:00 group averages 1002.

The forecast is for 73 and sunny, with SW winds at 5 to 10. Sunrise was at 7:29, first tee time at 7:30. Tee-off temp was right around 42.

Good luck to Timmy Gill and Pete Middlecamp from Minnesota. Also good luck to the Iowa crew, Des &amp; Jay, Chris Sprague and Jon Tisue. You guys need to rock Rockhill.

And let's give a shout out to our message board buddy from Tucson, Jim Garnett.

that ring is super cool.....just tell whoever made it that for the future, mine ring size is 11C

Will there be any online video feeds or scoring updates?

I heard something about live video on hole 1 for every card. Is this true?

Please tell me there are updates somehwere.

Go TEXAS

Great pictures!! Hopefully, we can get pics like these through out the whole tourney. A lot of non-disc golf savy people have seen them at my work and are more than impressed.

I like how all the cards have people from all different states and countries. Didnt see a single card with two people from the same state or country.

I didnt see Juliana's tee time either. Why didnt R.O.Y., Dagon Owen make it? Good Luck to all the golfers this week. Keep those pics rolling in.

just got a call from Gre Williams. He opens with a 68. First group to go of this morning. So some scores should be posted soon.

-m

Danm, those are great pics! Does anyone have a link to a pic of the Clown's Mouth hole? I have never seen what it looks like.

GO MY-HERO!!!!!!!!!!!

DISCRAFT!!!!!

Scores are here (http://www.usdgc.com/2003scores/playerGrid.php).

Including hole-by-hole if you click on a player's name.

Not sure this is an official link yet.