Coming 2010 Spring Fling and City Championship Series:cool:
Lets get those Ideas posted as we firm up our courses and format!:D

TOO EARLY, you say!:eek:

It's never too early to plan for being the best!:cool:

Emails and PMs welcomed also!

No division switching after signups! Unless it lets me get first again.:D

I think ray may have something to say about that also.......

ancient history, need ideas for 2010 not mistakes I made in 2008 please.:rolleyes:

Well that takes some of the fun out of it.....

I have started to receive some emails about proposals, so get your ideas together and lets get planning.
you can PM me at this server:
or email me at martin@flowmeasurementcompany.com to submit your thoughts and Ideas.
I need a feel for how many courses, what courses, sanction status and all that good stuff.

i would say what I thought, but then it wouldn't happen. so ill just see what other people purpose :)

Thats too easy Paul.......just sit back and see what they present, then pick it apart?

Come on now, man up and put your ideas out there for all to see.:cool:

So you pick now to keep your ideas to yourself?:confused:

What makes Martin so special?;)

I propose we screw the pros every chance we get. :D

I just found out today there is going to be another OO next year and I don't even remember the board voting on it.

Must be another "pork barrel" deal. :(

hunter park sanctioned

hunter park sanctioned
please note that in order to secure bonus points for the PDGA pro events it must be a "B" tier and must have added cash this will result in a much higher entry fee and lower Am turn out for that day.
However that said your vote has been noted and placed on file.

I just found out today there is going to be another OO next year . . .
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I propose we screw the pros every chance we get. :D

I just found out today there is going to be another OO next year and I don't even remember the board voting on it.

Must be another "pork barrel" deal. :(
AM side of the series will be as price friendly as we can make it as with all events PRO entry fees will be higher and if Sanctioning is chosen the price will of course be higher due to PDGA overhead.
Once again as with 2008 there will be some money from each entry fee directed to the TDSA and some reserved for the championship payouts with the remainder going to daily prizes.

Mulligan sales on the toughest courses if non sanctioned?
Mulligan money for course improvement funds?

just a thought...

please note that in order to secure bonus points for the PDGA pro events it must be a "B" tier and must have added cash this will result in a much higher entry fee and lower Am turn out for that day.
However that said your vote has been noted and placed on file.

what do you mean for bonus points? what is wrong with a C tier?

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All I'm saying is that if we as a club put $2000 added cash into the Pro side then how about $2000 real dollars into the Am side. :confused:

We seem to be really good helping the pros and charities when the time comes around but I don't see much real dollar value for the Am's. :(

Bonus points Paul, its what real pros play for.:D

FYI - I voted for Hunter also, sanctioning doesn't matter to me.

Just think of it as the OBAMA club plan.......charities and the pros are the have nots and Am are the haves that must share their wealth. I mean its only fair...right?

what do you mean for bonus points? what is wrong with a C tier?

sponsored pro�s do not get a bonus check for C tiers anyway so if it�s not a B they don�t care..
just following a comment from an email

"B" tier events Sanction $75
players fee extra $ 3
added cash $ 500 min
players pack $ 10
Pro entry fee min $ 70.00

reasons why it would be hard to have a championship series and make them "B" tier sanctioned events.
Paul all facts are in the PDF download 2009 tour standards from the PDGA website.

Download the file and take a look it will give you a much better picture of what it takes to do what you want.

I think only the final should be sanctioned with the others being none sanctioned.

That way I could run one at Moose & Bear and Martin could just supervise and not have to work too hard.

In fact, I think all the qualifing events except the final should be ran by the course TD as one day (2 rd) events and payout should be all TDSA merch only.

Just think of it as the OBAMA club plan.......charities and the pros are the have nots and Am are the haves that must share their wealth. I mean its only fair...right?

Didn't you say at one time you were starting an Owasso club? :)

idea noted with favor :D

i don't want a b tier martin, when did I ever say that? apparently you're talking about someone else wanting the B tier.

C tier is fine by me. Seeing how we only have two people locally who would get bonuses from a B tier, I don't think they really care. I bet they would rather it be a C then a non sanctioned.

Just my guess there.

I bet they would rather it be a C then a non sanctioned.

What are they going to do with all those "C" tier points anyway? Stick them on the refrig at home and say "Look what I did mommy." ? :D

i don't want a b tier martin, when did I ever say that? apparently you're talking about someone else wanting the B tier.

C tier is fine by me. Seeing how we only have two people locally who would get bonuses from a B tier, I don't think they really care. I bet they would rather it be a C then a non sanctioned.

Just my guess there.
Read your PM about costs and what must be passed on to the players as we will not have the series at a loss basis.
I can and will happily make the PRO part of the series sanctioned if that is what the majority of the pro players want to do Paul but you might be shocked that most Pro players do not want to pay any higher entry fee than they have too.:D

Is there something I'm missing here, when have pros complained about entry price at a C tier, its always just ams 40 pros 50 or something to that extent. My vote is in for sanctioned C tiers for the spring fling. Thats all I wanted to post on here, that and Hunter park, "The Judge," also it would be cool if kyle would let us use the westside Y!!

Thanks for committing to run the spring fling again this year martin!

I vote for Centennial and Moose Run 1st series. C tier assorted pins in Owasso.
2nd. Redhawk and Dovillio
3rd. Westside Y and Hunter
4th. McLure and Mack Taylor
5th. Bristow and Kelly Lane
and for the final event. The Lodge nuff said !!!!

Thank You and Good Night.

I thought this was the City series. last time I checked Centennial is in Owasso and Chandler is in Berryhill.

I voted for McClure, Dovillio and Hunter, as they are Tulsa courses. The YMCA would be nice, if they waive the fees, but I wouldn't count on it.

[QUOTE=eight9eight;1401061]I vote for Centennial and Moose Run 1st series.QUOTE]

Dude, why would you want to make people drive all that way between rounds?

I vote...

"Bear & Moose" Non-Sanctioned

Bristow / Kelly Lane Non-Sanctioned

Centennial (Long & short) Non-Sanctioned

McClure / Dovillio Non-Sanctioned

Final / Hunter (C-Tier)

I thought this was the City series. last time I checked Centennial is in Owasso and Chandler is in Berryhill.

You're right Dave. Screw the TDSA. We should run our own events and keep the money for ourselves. :D

I'm tired of the TDSA mooching off my mountain everytime they want to generate more pro bucks for Dorries and his lackys. :(

We should form a "Country Bumpkin Tourney" for Am's only. I doubt if Zooko would help with Kelly Lane but I know John Barton would probably be willing to run one at Bristow.

just think how much money chandler would make with a LEGIT course TD.....

Furdog you can count Bristow in!

just think how much money chandler would make with a LEGIT course TD.....

Just think how much money you would make if you just stayed home and sponsored Adam Hunt's entry fees for a percentage of his winnings. :)

Not a good idea. The first time I tried this, the player didn't show up to play.:eek:

redhawk is a horrid golf course, an should never be used for tournaments.

[QUOTE=eight9eight;1401061]I vote for Centennial and Moose Run 1st series.QUOTE]

Dude, why would you want to make people drive all that way between rounds?

I vote...

"Bear & Moose" Non-Sanctioned

Bristow / Kelly Lane Non-Sanctioned

Centennial (Long & short) Non-Sanctioned

McClure / Dovillio Non-Sanctioned

Final / Hunter (C-Tier)




lets not forget about the other 9 hole at Ray brown!!!!

Well that's not in the city limits so that would be included in the "Country Bumpkin" tour or maybe we should call it the "Anti-City Clash".

Just curious what is it that you dislike about Redhawk?

redhawk is a horrid golf course, an should never be used for tournaments.

in my opinion every hole in the tulsa arcinal should be played to crown a city champion.
including all tees and pin locations.
this series could span the whole year, some events will be played on these courses already and could qualify as course round series calculators.

I agree Brad you should play every course in tulsa even the short ones. A true champion should be able to play any course.

i like the idea too, just trying to think of a solution to having to miss one of the events, if we are playing all the courses, it would be hard to make it to every event to play them all

OK so the name is a little vague,
Says spring Fling but may run a little before spring and could last until a little after spring depending on schedule, rounds, courses and weather.
City championship is also a little misleading, in 2008 we used courses considered Tulsa Metro and included Kelly Lane. :rolleyes:

So far I am inclined to use a lot of courses, long, short, easy, hard, not just in the city limits of Tulsa but no further out than Bristow, I have not talked to the Taylors about the Lodge but may get a chance in two weeks to see them.
Due to the number of weekends that may become involved the event series may stretch out for a while but not too much past spring. :D
There will be a provision for minimum rounds played to qualify for the over all titles as there was in 08 as well as daily winners and divisional winners must play all their rounds within the same division to qualify! so no jumping back and forth between rec, nov, intermediate and advanced and still getting a divisional championship! :cool:

More details as I work them but this is the starting thoughts and framework!

I just feel redhawk is a poorly designed golf course, its like chandler mixed with devillio with 2 800 footers, that are just "yay i can throw far, but not far enough" holes, its boring to the extreme to play. you get some negative strokes to start with, then struggle to stay even through the back. its like they were given a set amount of land, and instead of using what they needed to make a good golf course, they tried to use all of it, its just a slow drawn out boring round of golf, ive never had fun playing it. not to mention its right next door to the best golf course ive played in tulsa, so why would you ever go there to play the not so good course, when you can have a blast on black? imo nothing in town rivals hunter or black for overall golf skill and difficulty, any major event, especially when doing A tier events, should focus on black, hunter, and owasso.

i would agree that red isn't really the greatest course, but it does have some fun shots on it, and I disagree about the long holes, I think they are great.

its a neat course to me because you are trying to survive and minimize damage on the longer ones, and you are playing birdie or die golf on the front... it can eat your lunch if you take too many over strokes on the longer holes and if you dont birdie the birdie holes.

its just a different kind of course.

You're right Dave. Screw the TDSA. We should run our own events and keep the money for ourselves. :D

I'm tired of the TDSA mooching off my mountain everytime they want to generate more pro bucks for Dorries and his lackys. :(

We should form a "Country Bumpkin Tourney" for Am's only. I doubt if Zooko would help with Kelly Lane but I know John Barton would probably be willing to run one at Bristow.

Hey country bumkin...you only put in one of those courses, and it's not the one that most ams play. So the TDSA will be keeping a sharp eye out for your monthly statements:p

A confidential inquiry has been sent to the PDGA, the results of that will have a bearing on the sanction status of the series. Please be patient while they make their reply and we consider the results of that response.

what did u ask em

I'm pretty sure he said it was confidential.:cool:

Hinds? Are you using Dorries account?:D

what did u ask em
I have received my answer From the PDGA tour manager and the 2010 spring fling and championship Series will be UN-sanctioned by the PDGA.
For 2010 the we will hold an outlaw championship series, more fun :cool: lower cost!:D

I'm pretty sure he said it was confidential.:cool:

Hinds? Are you using Dorries account?:D


Funniest post of the day award by far!!!!

I just feel redhawk is a poorly designed golf course, its like chandler mixed with devillio with 2 800 footers, that are just "yay i can throw far, but not far enough" holes, its boring to the extreme to play. you get some negative strokes to start with, then struggle to stay even through the back. its like they were given a set amount of land, and instead of using what they needed to make a good golf course, they tried to use all of it, its just a slow drawn out boring round of golf, ive never had fun playing it. not to mention its right next door to the best golf course ive played in tulsa, so why would you ever go there to play the not so good course, when you can have a blast on black? imo nothing in town rivals hunter or black for overall golf skill and difficulty, any major event, especially when doing A tier events, should focus on black, hunter, and owasso.

I find it funny you feel that way about Red Hawk. I have often thought if Black didn't exist Red would be one of our premiere courses..

I think it is a great mix, just enough trees, that dang creek, road etc..

Red Hawk is probably the best course in town for a gallery, IMHO..

Any course designed by Kevin McCoy is solid in my opinion..

let me brush myself off.....Wise just directed a bus right at me. I didn't really consider the city part when I mentioned the lodge but its just such a fun place I had to throw it in. Maybe Tulsa County should be the limits. And the destinations I pick are not that far a drive on a saturday or sunday afternoon. Seems like I get 2 hours before rounds anywhere I go to play anyhow. Just use that time to get lunch and get to your next course. It was spread out kinda like that at Bowling Green when I played there.

And for future reference I do know the term of "Confidential" lol. :)

I have always thought redhawk reminds me the most of a ball golf course out of any of the course I have played. I dont play it every weekend, but do like it for tournament play.

RedHawk is a fine course, trying to get a 4 on 14 and 15 is half the challenge for us am's. Guess if your not up to a little assortment golf you should avoid the course Hatton. The only problem i have with either of the hawks is after a hard rain for more than a day or so, that is it.

In tournament format if you start after hole 10 it is nice to have the front 9 to look forward too so that you can recover some strokes you may have lost.

First of all, Wise, You are freaking hilarious!

Second, I used to agree with hatton thinking Red was a sucky course, but then I realized that it is actually a super quality course, when not flooded. It does have a few holes that are deuce or die, but some of those are some of the best deuce or die holes you will ever play, 'ie' 6, 7, 8, 9. Those 4 holes are all very hard and a good test to good players. And then you have the back stretch that can really put the pressure on any level player. 13, 14, 15 is a stretch that says, "you had better be playing good golf or else." (i was short on words)

Third, why is the spring fling/championship series going to be unsanctioned? Who is wanting this? Is this really an outcry of tdsa members?

Fourth, to the courses. I like the idea of using as many of the area courses as possible. Many of the courses mentioned already are great and I agree with most. I think I would say not to use any 9 hole courses unless a temporary 9 could be setup with it. IE - Bristow, I've heard that there is going to be a temp 9 setup to go with the great 9 that are already there. I don't think a course like Reed should be used, or kelly lane, or ... any 9-ers.

A couple of courses to really try to consider would be Copperhead, as mentioned before. Also Haikey Creek. This is one of the best courses in the Tulsa area and it is dead. I would really like to see this beast resurrected to be played once again.

Finally, Wise ... hilarious!

Thanks you all keep the ideas flowing all points are being recorded and counted I should have a more firm format and announcement after Monday's Admin meeting and then I will start working on scheduling!:cool:

please don't tell Wise he is hilarious, your only encouraging his Juvinile-istic (my new word) ways. And I somehow get left in the bullseye half the time. :)

The best 9 hole course in the area "mack taylor" blue.........

The best 9 hole course in the area "mack taylor" blue.........

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Mack Taylor is absolutely the most dangerous course in the world...

Trust me on this one..

I have permission to use the Copperhead course for the series. Thanks for the oppurtunity Mr. Norris. Can that one be sanctioned? If would help to regulate the park.

I have permission to use the Copperhead course for the series. Thanks for the opportunity Mr. Norris. Can that one be sanctioned? If would help to regulate the park.
I do not know about sanctioning but in honor to the YMCA and its rules and regulations all players will be informed before the round of those rules and those rules will be enforced.

Thank you so much for your hard work in arranging for us to use that course!

I have permission to use the Copperhead course for the series. Thanks for the oppurtunity Mr. Norris. Can that one be sanctioned? If would help to regulate the park.
A big thanks to Kyle Wilkes and the YMCA!:)
All YMCA rules and regulations will be presented to the players before the round and enforced. I do not know if that event will be sanctioned but in honor of the Y and it's commitment to youth and disc golf we will follow all of their regulations for play in that round!

I do not know if that event will be sanctioned but in honor of the Y and it's commitment to youth and disc golf we will follow all of their regulations for play in that round!

sanctioned plz

zzzz... typical friday on the boards :(

zzzz... typical friday on the boards :(

I'm your huckaberry.

What can I say to offend you and get some Friday afternoon board drama going on? :)

Do you want me to tell you the one about how many pros it takes to screw in a light bulb?

your mom jokes are always good....

I'm your huckaberry.

What can I say to offend you and get some Friday afternoon board drama going on? :)

Do you want me to tell you the one about how many pros it takes to screw in a light bulb?

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One time I played out there he was my partner. I got drunk and gave him free entry into Chandlerstock just for hitting a long putt. I'm sure glad he decided to go to Kansas that weekend because it saved me $45. :)

One time I played out there he was my partner. I got drunk and gave him free entry into Chandlerstock just for hitting a long putt. I'm sure glad he decided to go to Kansas that weekend because it saved me $45. :)

WHAT!!!!! YOU REMEMBERED THAT?!?!!

Haha! I wish I had actually cashed that in now! I thought you were just BSin. LOL.

Still yet to experience chandler stock, in all its glory.

would like to be at the mountain tonight, but I have plans... and to think I'm going to have to miss 18 elaborate cell phone ring tone drives from jerry garcia... what a shame.

count me in tonight, I just want to hear "the Natural" theme song, in ringtone format, that is almost enough to get me up to chandler on its own.

WHAT!!!!! YOU REMEMBERED THAT?!?!!

Haha! I wish I had actually cashed that in now! I thought you were just BSin. LOL.

Still yet to experience chandler stock, in all its glory.

would like to be at the mountain tonight, but I have plans... and to think I'm going to have to miss 18 elaborate cell phone ring tone drives from jerry garcia... what a shame.

Yeah, buddy. After I sobered up the next day I regretted offering you that deal and was hoping you would forget. :) Your putt kept us in it but still wasn't worth $45. Maybe a free $5 mini entry but it's too late now. :D

Some of my favorite ringtones for driving are now....

The theme from "Underdog", "Learning to Fly", and "Be Carefull with that Axe Ugene."

you should add Sound of Madness to your tones by shinedown furdog.

Yeah, buddy. After I sobered up the next day I regretted offering you that deal and was hoping you would forget. :) Your putt kept us in it but still wasn't worth $45. Maybe a free $5 mini entry but it's too late now. :D

Some of my favorite ringtones for driving are now....

The theme from "Underdog", "Learning to Fly", and "Be Carefull with that Axe Ugene."


Not to be picky, but its: Be careful with that ax Eugene.. Classic Floyd...

I vote we bring back the Tulsa Pentathlon as an event (maybe the final)

Two days, FIVE ROUNDS, FIVE COURSES (oh-mah-gaww)

Day 1 = McClure, Dovillio, Hunter
Day 2 = Chandler Bear, Chandler Moose

I think the last time one of these was run was in `01 by Rick Neil. BRING IT BACK!!

and C-tier the whole **** thing. I'll pay the fees to play anywhere. I'm just glad to be back. :)

I would like too know why the city championship will not be sanctioned... Whats with the confidential stuff? I don't see any reason why that tournament would not have sanctioning... Besides maybe a lack of interest from the leadership position. I undertand that it takes place at several coarses on several different days but that only means there would have too be individual sanctionings and even though a tournament of this calliber should have at least one of those rounds be an A tier I don't believe there is enough motivation in the leadership positions too go out and get donations from local business. This does not mean some if not all of the rounds could be a C tier which would greatly help out many local golfers with ratings and points. "I know I am trying too qualify for AM worlds next year and getting to play local coarses could really help with that" and I am sure I am not the only one trying to qualify for worlds.

I would like too know why the city championship will not be sanctioned... Whats with the confidential stuff? I don't see any reason why that tournament would not have sanctioning... Besides maybe a lack of interest from the leadership position. I undertand that it takes place at several coarses on several different days but that only means there would have too be individual sanctionings and even though a tournament of this calliber should have at least one of those rounds be an A tier I don't believe there is enough motivation in the leadership positions too go out and get donations from local business. This does not mean some if not all of the rounds could be a C tier which would greatly help out many local golfers with ratings and points. "I know I am trying too qualify for AM worlds next year and getting to play local coarses could really help with that" and I am sure I am not the only one trying to qualify for worlds.

Wow, interesting perspective matthew! Trust me I've been lighting up Martin's inbox like a christmas tree with messages as to why they aren't sanctioned. He keeps telling me I am the ONLY person in Tulsa that likes sanctioned events. You think I am exaggerating I am not, numerous times he has told me I have my own agenda??? and I am the only person who would want these events to be sanctioned.

...and I am the only person who would want these events to be sanctioned.

If I had my druthers...I would want sanctioning. All C Tiers...even the final...

...that Tulsa Pentathlon sounds like it would be fun for a Final...and tough on the arm once Sunday afternoon rolls around... ...lesssee... ...maybe...hardest DGC (Hunter) to easiest DGC (Bear's Lair)...end it on an easy note... :D ...cast my ballot as such Martin.

Im more likely to play anything sanctioned, more bang for your buck out of pdga membership :P

I say C tier- the whole dang thang.

Well maybe if you young'uns would be willing to run one of these events instead of just gripeing about "the leadership", they could be sanctioned. :confused:

I don't blame Martin because it's alot of work when you're working two jobs already. If it bothers you then step up or shut up.

Us old guys don't need no stinking "points" though and as I told Dorries, they won't help you to mate. :)

having an event without sanctioning cost much less, and uses less effort than a sanctioned one.
picture this 10 events at 40$or more squashhed into the early part of a already bulging at the seams schedule.
now the same events at 15$ or something like that.
i guess if there were no payout or players packs we would be turning dozens of people away.

That's right Brad. I say non-sanctioned and let's bring back "AM Master" division!!! :)

picture this 10 events at 40$or more squashhed into the early part of a already bulging at the seams schedule.

Brad...and Martin,
Are you saying that there are ten different days (5 weekends or more) planned for the 2010 Spring Fling? This past year it was three different days over two weekends.

the events for the spring fling before were individual events with seperate results and seperate entries as a points bonanza as to get as many points as possible.
each event had its own sanctioning agreement creating a mass of moneys for the pdga with low payouts as the payouts wernt the goal points were.
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this years events may have a different goal of detemining the tru city or area champion without the goal of creating a points bonanza.
this champion series is not for the pdga conection its a local series with a local goal

I agree. It's "Festa-vus" for the rest of us. :)

Dorries, since Coda probably won't be playing this might be your only shot at a possible # 1 city title. :)....that is unless Adam Hunt decides to "Fest" with us. :D

the events for the spring fling before were individual events with seperate results and seperate entries as a points bonanza as to get as many points as possible.
each event had its own sanctioning agreement creating a mass of moneys for the pdga with low payouts as the payouts wernt the goal points were.
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this years events may have a different goal of detemining the tru city or area champion without the goal of creating a points bonanza.
this champion series is not for the pdga conection its a local series with a local goal

Brad, you didn't answer my question...

In 2009 there were 3 City Championship Events (on 2/21, 2/22 and 2/28...all in February)...so, that was 3 different C Tier applications...right?

Are you saying now that there will be 10 different events (days) for the 2010 Spring Fling?

picture this 10 events at 40$or more squashhed into the early part of a already bulging at the seams schedule.

I can now see why the TD does not want to have the 2010 Spring Fling to be PDGA sanctioned. 10 different C Tier applications can become tiresome...

Again, if I had my druthers, I would prefer that all of the 2010 Spring Fling events to be C Tiers...but I think that is mute...it appears that the decision for no sanctioning has alreadys been made.

the events for the spring fling before were individual events with separate results and separate entries as a points bonanza as to get as many points as possible.
each event had its own sanctioning agreement creating a mass of moneys for the PDGA with low payouts as the payouts wernt the goal points were.
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this years events may have a different goal of determining the true city or area champion without the goal of creating a points bonanza.
this champion series is not for the PDGA conection its a local series with a local goal
Here is your sign, The 2011 worlds will not be anywhere near Oklahoma, there are plenty of sanctioned events for 2010 for those wishing worlds points.:D
3 weekends of events is equal to 6 sanction fees.
Each sanctioned day requires money from each player's entry fee go to the PDGA and not payout.

We could have 6 sanctioned events but the entry fees will be more costly to the players, reducing the number of players who will come out.

I now count a total of 6 people who have expressed a desire for sanctioning of the events.
based on an average attendance of 45 players this is less than 14%, hardly a majority.
Please feel free to convince me that 51% of my event turnout wants sanctioning even with it's increased player costs and I will reconsider. But so far I have already been told by one person that my proposed entry fee of $25 for the AM players is too high and that is without the PDGA fees that would be added for a sanctioned event.

The Purpose of this series this year is to have fun and generate daily winners and series winners with CTPs and Ace pots.

Two minis on a weekend day would be $16.00 all we are adding in at this point is $9 extra for the Championship series, course improvement fund, CTPs, and ACE pot. PDGA overhead would increase that to $30 and eliminate players from playing.

I agree. I think your attendance will be higher without the sanctioning. There are a lot of our local players that play the minis but are not PDGA members. That extra PDGA FEE per event for non-members means they just don't play those events.

What if you don't sanction some and sanction others. Sanction Hunter, The Hawks, Dovillio, Mcclure, Copperhead, and don't sanction Riverside, Reed, Kelly lane, Chandler x2. This way you get the same players at the shorter courses that would come out because it's a course they would play if it were not sanctioned. It won't deter anyone from playing those. Also, those courses are ratings killers, so i wouldn't want those to be sanctioned anyways. You are going to get the same players at the other courses because most players that would play those tourneys are wanting the sanctioning. This way you are not deterring anyone from playing the courses they want to play. Also, if anyone is wanting to come from out of town, they can come to the sanctioned events at the tougher courses. The courses they would most likely come to play anyway.

Make sense?

I think that could work. But it is soley up to the TD. If he chooses no sanctioning, then I'm fine wiht it.

What if you don't sanction some and sanction others. Sanction Hunter, The Hawks, Dovillio, Mcclure, Copperhead, and don't sanction Riverside, Reed, Kelly lane, Chandler x2. This way you get the same players at the shorter courses that would come out because it's a course they would play if it were not sanctioned. It won't deter anyone from playing those. Also, those courses are ratings killers, so i wouldn't want those to be sanctioned anyways. You are going to get the same players at the other courses because most players that would play those tourneys are wanting the sanctioning. This way you are not deterring anyone from playing the courses they want to play. Also, if anyone is wanting to come from out of town, they can come to the sanctioned events at the tougher courses. The courses they would most likely come to play anyway.

Make sense?
no, :(
this is a city championship so we really are not looking for "out of town touring players", the requirement will still be in place for a minimum number of events to qualify so you would price some courses different and keep poor players away from those. The 9 hole courses will not be in this year's series so there goes the Kelly lane and Reed issues.
But thanks for being mindful of our out of town players, :cool:I am sure that they will enjoy our sanctioned events that will be held later in the year. :D

What if you don't sanction some and sanction others. Sanction Hunter, The Hawks, Dovillio, Mcclure, Copperhead, and don't sanction Riverside, Reed, Kelly lane, Chandler x2. This way you get the same players at the shorter courses that would come out because it's a course they would play if it were not sanctioned. It won't deter anyone from playing those. Also, those courses are ratings killers, so i wouldn't want those to be sanctioned anyways. You are going to get the same players at the other courses because most players that would play those tourneys are wanting the sanctioning. This way you are not deterring anyone from playing the courses they want to play. Also, if anyone is wanting to come from out of town, they can come to the sanctioned events at the tougher courses. The courses they would most likely come to play anyway.

Make sense?

I think Josh's idea brings up some interesting side bonuses to the City Championship series...

There could be...
Short Course Divisional Champions (un-sanctioned City Champions)
Long Course Divisional Champions (sanctioned City Champions)

Combine the two to get an Overall City Champion for each division...that way the local non PDGA members have their day...the PDGA sanctioned members have their day...and then the combo City Champions have a day...

What do you think about that Martin? Why not attract "out of town touring players" to see if they could make a run at Tulsa locals for the City Championship?

Added idea...
Long Course Championship (Sanctioned) on the following DGCs (3 1/2 days):
B-Hawk
R-Hawk
Dovo
McClure
Hunter
Copperhead
Centennial (long pins)

Short Course Championship (Not Sanctioned) on the following DGCs (2 1/2 days):
Bear's Lair
Moose Run
Riverside
W-Hawk
Centennial (short pins)

12 different DGCs...

Okay, so regardless of the out of towners and the 9 hole courses... I still think this is a plausible idea.

Don't listen to them Martin. They are Pros and they only come to steal, kill, and take Am cash. :(

If anything, run the small courses non-sanctioned and let these guys pushing for sanctioning step up and run the sanctioned events. Local Pro's running events might go a long way toward inspiring others to do more and not just sit around and say "Show me the money!".

PDGA is like big government health care and we don't need them mooching and taking away our American right to sell mullies and drink beer. :)

I already told you that I would run the non-sanctioned Chandler courses if you just want to lay back and supervise.

Okay, so regardless of the out of towners and the 9 hole courses... I still think this is a plausible idea.
OK you two pledge to be on staff and handle all of the additional paperwork, sign it in blood and I will think more about it but so far this is also a low staff event and you are begging for tons more paper work and record keeping as well as higher prices.

Is that what it would take? A little help? I would be willing to help if I was still able to play. As long as I'm not working the scheduled weekends, I would be there helping with paperwork, and ... I'd like to get involved with running tourneys anyway. This would be a good start.

and ... I'd like to get involved with running tourneys anyway. This would be a good start.
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Is that what it would take? A little help? I would be willing to help if I was still able to play. As long as I'm not working the scheduled weekends, I would be there helping with paperwork, and ... I'd like to get involved with running tourneys anyway. This would be a good start.
The paper work is an Excel work book of more than 8 sections all players must be entered on one section. all financial for the event must be entered into a separate work book, the event information gets it's own workbook all players must be recored into a 3 work book should they happen to not be PDGA or current PDGA members each daily event must be completed quickly and transmitted to the PDGA by INTERNET along with the money collected for the PDGA. Paper work not withstanding the cost to players would be at lest 35 AM and 40 pro and over the course of 6 events that would cost a player 210 am and 240 pro causing severe budget problems for a great number of our players.

I still think that players who have to have Sanctioned events should either:
A: go out of town and enjoy another event
B: set up and run one themselves.

Right now only 14% of the prospective players want a sanction fee paid for this event, and while that may be an Obama majority:eek: that is not a Martin majority.:D

Okay, lets look at the other side. Who wants non-sanctioned events? Martin, Furdog, and Bravo. That's 3 of 45 = 7%. looks like 14 is bigger than 7.

Unless you're talking width!

Okay, lets look at the other side. Who wants non-sanctioned events? Martin, Furdog, and Bravo. That's 3 of 45 = 7%. looks like 14 is bigger than 7.
ah but you do not see the contents of my email box.
You want to run them and do the sanction?
PM me and commit to running them and I will send you the series points calculations and turn it over to you and Paul and stay home and sleep.

even I cannot afford to play in 6 35 dollar events, even if they were spread out over 2 months and neither can most of the other players that have to bum smokes from me after they pay their fees to play weekend minis at $16 this is a series for the players to enjoy not a country club event with high prices to lock out the poor folks.

Josh, this is the tD's call. plain and simple. We will have plenty of sanctioned events through out the upcoming year. Having all of these non-sanctioned actually falls in line with a City Chamnpionship Series.............because a city series has nothing to do with the PDGA.

Let me ask you a question Josh......................please tell me how having the events sanctioned will be better than non-sanctioned? What does it do, other than get you a rating and points to an event that 99% of us will not travel to. Besides raising the entry fees to cover the added costs. And don't forget the non-pdga members,,,, they get to shell out even more than the already high org fees.

Josh, this is the tD's call. plain and simple. We will have plenty of sanctioned events through out the upcoming year. Having all of these non-sanctioned actually falls in line with a City Chamnpionship Series.............because a city series has nothing to do with the PDGA.

Let me ask you a question Josh......................please tell me how having the events sanctioned will be better than non-sanctioned? What does it do, other than get you a rating and points to an event that 99% of us will not travel to. Besides raising the entry fees to cover the added costs. And don't forget the non-pdga members,,,, they get to shell out even more than the already high org fees.
Thanks Dave, you get it :D

However, I completely see Josh's side of it, being a young, single up and coming golfer, who wants all the sanctioned events he can get. I don't fault him or Dorries or any other golfer that wants that. But I do understand the bigger picture and what is trying to be accomplished. I'm sure there will be sanctioned events on the same weekends as our series, if those players want to travel to play in them to get their points and ratings.

I really don't mean to be a jerk about all of this. I'm just trying to find out the reasoning behind it all. Obviously i would like to see them sanctioned because I'd rather not drive 4-5 hours for an event when there is one happening on a home course. But like you said Wise, I will probably drive out of town to find other sanctioned events if I have to. I will definitely play the events in town if nothing else is happening or the series is at a good course.

Thanks for what you do martin, and all TDs that run events in town. And I will stand by my statement earlier, I would like to run events in the future. But as for now, I will work on my 974 rating.

Josh, I totaly understand. But try and look at both sides of this. You and some other players are the type that will go where ever they have to in order to get a sanctioned event. I used to be one of those, nothing wrong with it. I think the club is trying to change gears a little and offer some events that will hopefully open up cometition golf to a lot of players for the first time. Thus bringing in more players to our club and events.
With the economic times as they are, I think there may be several players traveling less than they have in the past. So a local series, low entry, non-sanctioned will offer the most bang for the stretched dollar.

Dave wise for govenor

... where do we vote ? ...

I vote for Dave everytime I do a # 2. :)

I am not sure what all this Pro fuss is about. Sanctioning blah blah blah..

Devan is going to win his 3rd straight title so all the rest of you are just donaters anyway...

look I get the fact that you're trying to grow the amount of players that turn up to your events and get more AM involvement, thats fine. I think what threw me off in the first place was you calling this the city championship. I mean, most of the city's best players probably wont even be playing in most of the events anyways.

Why don't you call it Martin's Real Big Mini: Bring a Beer & Watch Furdog Blank A Deer

If devan shows up to all the event thats cool, but since theres no sanction, I honestly doubt hes going to show up on all those saturdays when he could be making good money working or traveling to a bigger tournament. He doesn't even show up to worlds, what makes you think hes going to show up to a 25 dollar beefy mini.

I see what Wise was saying and it makes sense. Its the TD's call. I was just like josh trying to find out what the real reason behind no sanction was. Ive said it before and I'll say it again. First it was just me saying "what? no sanction??" then a few more, then a few more. Even hinds, hatton, and matt (yes mike, your son....you didn't mention that in your post... duhhhhhhh what?) ... all AMS... I'll say it again... there are plenty more out there that would rather it be sanctioned, they just dont get on here and post. and even if some of them do get on here and post, they wouldn't just to stay in the "cool" with you old farts.

Its fine though, I think its a present in disguise because I didn't need to spend my weekends jamming in local tourneys anyways this spring.

and another thing on the whole "pro" "am" discussion... you wonder why some of the touring pros are jerks or why some of your local boys who turned super pro get all "snobby" ... in your own opinions, ive heard it from many of the mouths of you older gents...

You think maybe it has to do with stuff like this where you clearly draw a line and seperate the two groups and act like you dont care, well ... in this case... you actually dont care about the pros... ill answer for you... yes it has an impact, maybe you are all the real jerks

Here kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty.

Dude!....You are such a “Nancy”. Take a look around. How many young pro kitties like yourself are actually running tournaments? All I hear from you guys is “Yes, I’ll help as long as I get to play.”. I may be your daddy but I’m not your mother.

You want sanctioning? Step up and run it.

You want to know why I see it as us old farts against you young pro Gomers? Because you guys seem to think only of yourselves. That’s right,…”What’s in it for me?”. I'm surprised you ever left the nest.

Try doing something to inspire people for a change. I know with school, and girlfriend who is probably going to be your future ex-wife, and trying to buy the biggest double-wide on the lot, you’re probably too busy to run a sanctioned event. You think someday you’d be willing to run one but before that day comes you will probably leave DG, get married, have kids, get a divorce, and maybe even do a stint in jail for not paying your child support. By the time you come back “PDGA points” won’t really be as important to you and you too will be an old fart.

Until then you can kiss my Frank n’ Beans. :D

Take it how ever you want Paul. You're going to be a CPA, so tell me what do the Pros do for events, financially? Thats what this is all about. The local club has stepped up to run 2 NT and 2 A tiers for the last two years and the fact remains that the pro side is a financial drain. Breaking even on a tournament is NOT acceptable. Not for all of the work, time and money put into an event. A business or club cannot grow if all they do is break even.

While this is not the Pros fault, they are begining to be the receipiants of the PDGA bringing no outside sponsorship to their tour or any event. The PDGA says its not their tour, its the players tour. See they don't want the responsibilty either. Giving a $4000 stipen to an event that runs over 100k through an account and then wanting 50% of any and all profits is a joke. They basicaly invest nothing and want paid at the end.

You want sanctioning? You want bigger Pro payouts? Then I suggest that our local pros go out and find some local sponsors of these events. Sitting back and waiting on the club or the PDGA to bring it to the event isn't going to happen, no matter how much you complain. The last time an event here in town had any major outside sponsorship was back when the Double O was the Hideaway Pizza Open and Billy Moody brought them in. I'd bet you don't even know who Billy Moody is? Thats how long it has been. All local tournaments have gotten any added cash for the pros through fundraisers (from players) Muliigans (from Players), donations (from other clubs) and the profits from the Am side of payout. You see the problem now?

Pros need sponors to make it work. Without them, the pro side of events are seriously flawed in the current system.


AND........................the club hasn't said there will no sanctioned pro events. It's just that with no majors near by, the urgency for points just isn't that important to 99% of the players. There just won't be as many sanctioned events.

Being sanctioned is a pain for a TD, plain and simple. And sanctioning doesn't guarantee a huge payout. Some of the biggest payouts in the past have been from Non-sanctioned events.

Funny thing is, out all of the players wanting sanctioned events, none of them have run a PDGA event to understand just what type of problems you're dealing with.

you wonder why some of the touring pros are jerks or why some of your local boys who turned super pro get all "snobby" ...

The fact that most are young and it is very clear, you guys are not quite as COOL as you think you are. Outside of the Ams, no one could give a crap out some young guy being sponsored or a Pro disc golfer.

We're not even an ameba in the pond of cool.

In other words Paul,.... Fat-head.com called and said you qualify but nobody is buying. :)

and another thing on the whole "pro" "am" discussion... you wonder why some of the touring pros are jerks or why some of your local boys who turned super pro get all "snobby" ... in your own opinions, Ive heard it from many of the mouths of you older gents...

You think maybe it has to do with stuff like this where you clearly draw a line and separate the two groups and act like you don't care, well ... in this case... you actually don't care about the pros... ill answer for you... yes it has an impact, maybe you are all the real jerks

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??? say what?

Martin I know you were the one that started this thread but please don't interupt us while we're in the process of trashing Dorries. :)

Martin I know you were the one that started this thread but please don't interrupt us while we're in the process of trashing Dorries. :)

On with the exploitation of vocal minorities then :D

I love that you refer to it as trashing dorries, when you look back at the beginning of the thread it was simply a very objective questioning of why they weren't sanctioned. I'll just step aside for now because you oldies are having way too much fun with it. Have fun finding out which of you can actually walk the last course to claim the city champion trophy. I say by the end of it, wise has lost all his putters from rage throws because he just cant hack it like he used to, furdog has fainted from decreased blood flow to vital organs because he mistook his viagra pills for his typical round of extasy, and martin... we all know he will be counting his bills at the tournament headquarters thinking about which corner in north tulsa he wants to "drop" his tourney profits on. oh and lets not forget don cook, after 29 years in advanced division drops down to intermediate to claim his first ever slumdog city championship as the newest member of the TDSA (or was that all talk?... don't post unless you sent in your tdsa dues check Don)

I love that you refer to it as trashing dorries, when you look back at the beginning of the thread it was simply a very objective questioning of why they weren't sanctioned. I'll just step aside for now because you oldies are having way too much fun with it. Have fun finding out which of you can actually walk the last course to claim the city champion trophy. I say by the end of it, wise has lost all his putters from rage throws because he just cant hack it like he used to, furdog has fainted from decreased blood flow to vital organs because he mistook his viagra pills for his typical round of extasy, and martin... we all know he will be counting his bills at the tournament headquarters thinking about which corner in north tulsa he wants to "drop" his tourney profits on. oh and lets not forget don cook, after 29 years in advanced division drops down to intermediate to claim his first ever slumdog city championship as the newest member of the TDSA (or was that all talk?... don't post unless you sent in your tdsa dues check Don)

lol....

Crap, I waited all day and that's all you got. :(

I expected more from you college boy. :)

Take it how ever you want Paul. You're going to be a CPA, so tell me what do the Pros do for events, financially? Thats what this is all about. The local club has stepped up to run 2 NT and 2 A tiers for the last two years and the fact remains that the pro side is a financial drain. Breaking even on a tournament is NOT acceptable. Not for all of the work, time and money put into an event. A business or club cannot grow if all they do is break even.

While this is not the Pros fault, they are begining to be the receipiants of the PDGA bringing no outside sponsorship to their tour or any event. The PDGA says its not their tour, its the players tour. See they don't want the responsibilty either. Giving a $4000 stipen to an event that runs over 100k through an account and then wanting 50% of any and all profits is a joke. They basicaly invest nothing and want paid at the end.

You want sanctioning? You want bigger Pro payouts? Then I suggest that our local pros go out and find some local sponsors of these events. Sitting back and waiting on the club or the PDGA to bring it to the event isn't going to happen, no matter how much you complain. The last time an event here in town had any major outside sponsorship was back when the Double O was the Hideaway Pizza Open and Billy Moody brought them in. I'd bet you don't even know who Billy Moody is? Thats how long it has been. All local tournaments have gotten any added cash for the pros through fundraisers (from players) Muliigans (from Players), donations (from other clubs) and the profits from the Am side of payout. You see the problem now?

Pros need sponors to make it work. Without them, the pro side of events are seriously flawed in the current system.


AND........................the club hasn't said there will no sanctioned pro events. It's just that with no majors near by, the urgency for points just isn't that important to 99% of the players. There just won't be as many sanctioned events.

Being sanctioned is a pain for a TD, plain and simple. And sanctioning doesn't guarantee a huge payout. Some of the biggest payouts in the past have been from Non-sanctioned events.

Funny thing is, out all of the players wanting sanctioned events, none of them have run a PDGA event to understand just what type of problems you're dealing with.

I dont comprehend this whole "pro" argument, im not a pro, seths not a pro, sarahs not a pro, we all like to get rating though. its not about pro and am, its about serious and casual. disc golf is a hugely growing sport, a competitive field is growing, players want in it, were all striving to be better, alot of us are striving to be the best. sanctioning isnt just about ratings and points, ams need to play sanctioned tournaments as well to learn how to deal with the pressure, and to learn how to truly GOLF not just throw frisbees. theres alot of people out there that are **** salty golfers, that dont do well in sanctioned events, because they dont get to play in enough of them, its an entirely different enviroment and its a positive one.

Crap, I waited all day and that's all you got. :(

I expected more from you college boy. :)

just the fact that this was your only response, makes me smile

and another thing on the whole "pro" "am" discussion... you wonder why some of the touring pros are jerks or why some of your local boys who turned super pro get all "snobby" ... in your own opinions, ive heard it from many of the mouths of you older gents...

You think maybe it has to do with stuff like this where you clearly draw a line and seperate the two groups and act like you dont care, well ... in this case... you actually dont care about the pros... ill answer for you... yes it has an impact, maybe you are all the real jerks

all i hear from pros is why arnt ther bigger pay outs and we should get all added cash i thank that all the pros should ther entry fees for the next event put them in pot toghter and go play by them self and leave the ams alone because tds make nothing from pros but a bunch bs and headhach

chris, i agree with a lot of what you said. they are neglecting the large group of players in town that do actually like ratings and dont mind the fact that pdga gets a little money to keep the organization running.

furdog says we should run our own sanctioned event, and im sure that will end up being a reality by the time him and martin are resting in one of those new nice walmart coffins. Using the same argument, if you dont like the PDGA as our parent organization, why don't you just make your own organization and make it attractive somehow. the PDGA is attractive to me because they offer ratings and at least have "suggested guidelines" to make our sport somewhat legit.

If you're going to go through the motions of setting up and running a tournament, I still fail to see the difference in paying an extra 50 bucks and 2-3 per players. All thats going to happen with that 2-3 dollars anyway is its gonna get kicked into payout and you will pocket the nice profit margin on the discs. Maybe I should get on the other side of a tournament sometime and see how much really passes through the tourney piggybank... i sure would like to see the TD profits. Obviously you guys aren't pulling in Trump dollars, but im sure its not 100% out of the goodness of your little ole heart

all i hear from pros is why arnt ther bigger pay outs and we should get all added cash i thank that all the pros should ther entry fees for the next event put them in pot toghter and go play by them self and leave the ams alone because tds make nothing from pros but a bunch bs and headhach

are you talking about the touring guys who sweep through, or the locals?

I cant speak for everyone or anyone else other than my self for the matter, but since you are quoting me here I will respond.

Ive only played in a handful of pro events so far, and only cashed at a couple and never once complained about payout. Even when I won 10 dollars profit for winning the un-sanctioned (more money??) crow throw (6 people in open, obviously I am not expecting lots of money).

Im totally fine with the payouts ive seen thus far, its just the sanctioning thing thats baffling me, from the numbers martin sent me in private, its just not really THAT much more to sanction it.

I think what Josh proposed would be cool, sanction the tougher ones so we at least have SOME rated rounds for the city series

Paul, I really don't know where you get your info about running tournys but I for one have given many hours out of the goodness of my heart for you and all of the other players in tourys. I really don't know why you find it so important to bust on Martin. He has given more hours than me helping out at events and does not deserve to put up with this. You have the option of not showing up to an event that you don't agree with. I also find it very funny how you are so quick to talk smack on the computer but when you broke my daughter's nose it took until the next day to speak up. But I am a better person than you and I will offer to help out at your tournament that you td. Karla

But I am a better person than you and I will offer to help out at your tournament that you td. Karla

To clarify:

I threw a disc at the ring of fire, totally unintentionally, that came across the ring and hit your daughters nose. I was immediately heart broken. What person does something like that and doesn't feel immediate remorse? I was going to immediately go apologize but john took off with your daugther immediately inside and I kind of panicked and left the ring of fire and went to my car. I sat blankly wondering how to handle the situation because my stomach was sick that it happened like that. I was never planning to avoid the situation, which is why I brought a gift for her (as an act of kindness) and offered my most sincere apology. You gave me a hug and told me it was okay later that day....

I regret that incident in the fullest, but what does that have to do with this conversation.

You're right, I don't know anything about the behind the scenes of the tournament.

This whole discussion began with him asking about Idea for the city championship series, I stated my suggestions plainly and it seems like (probably due to some other threads) my ideas were jumped on pretty harshly, when it was supposed to be an open forum for suggestions.

I have had face to face conversations with Wise and Treat and many of these people, I'm not hiding behind my computer, karla. My main ideas behind my posts (the actual points of sanctioning/pros/ams) are real, but all of the joking that goes on with it is just in fun... martin is going to run the tournament, its not going to be sanctioned, thats FINE and thats what he wants to do. I do want to try to understand why he isn't sanctioning (which I admitted in a post I understand why... I just dont agree)

when I said it wasnt out of the goodness of your heart, I wasnt refering to your volunteering karla, I have always been very thankful of any volunteer help, the events wouldnt be a success without your help. I was referring to the TDs, who must make a little bit (okie doubles for example, 300 players average $35 per player is over 10 grand, thats a lot of money, it could all go back to the players, most of it does, I would just hope the TDs took a little for themselves because that is a lot of work)

I know how this tread began and I respect your opion about tournys but if you are saying all of the direct targets at Martin and also Don Cook is a joke you need to work on your humor. I has came across very disrepectful and as a volunteer at several tournys I am offend. I thank you for apolizing for hitting my daughter and I do forgive you. I did the next day! She thanked you for the gift too!

Again I meant NO disrespect to you. Sorry for my ill-humor. Don came on here last week and bashed me out of no where, so I was just jabbing back at him for flaming on me last week.

Coming from you, I can respect the request. I have received many private messages from martin and we have traded some "online" jabs, but since you can't see those, I will just keep the forum jabs to a minumum. Sorry to offend you Karla, that is never my intention on the forums or in life period.

you know it is one thing to voice your option but you also have to learn you are not going to always get your way sometimes you have to put on your big boy panties and grow up. I am always happy to help out because the more I can do the more players get to play instead of staffing events.

I can and will put on the pants if I have to, its just more fun to run around nakie.

well, in honesty, i dont really understand the "get my way" comment. In any of my posts I am trying to make suggestions based off of groups of players, not just myself. In defense, the concrete pads at centennial request/questioning was my concern for the course and reputation of THE COURSE, and with the sanctioning, I am also considering the groups of people that share my views for having rated rounds.

I have no problem in seeing both sides, i fully understand why he may not want to sanction these. I am cool with it and have put on the pants about this topic!!! In return I hope they will put on their Old man Depends now :D

fair enough! see you at the team event this weekend.

Funny thing is, out all of the players wanting sanctioned events, none of them have run a PDGA event to understand just what type of problems you're dealing with.

I want santioning and I am running a P.D.G.A. event. Also it's not half as hard as martin and others are trying too make it sound. All info goes into an EXCEL spread sheet that is already laid out. You only have to fill in blanks. As far as the sponsors are concerned. Nobody in Tulsa or the City should have that many problems finding candidates. I am in a farely small town and have on my own found roughly $1000.00 in donations from local business. I don't see why some of the " young guns" don't jump all over the offer from Martin too sanction at least some of the championships.

the td has said it is not sanction and this really needs to stop!!!!! Maybe martin would let you guys take over instead of encouraging them to jump on him why don't you help him get sponsorsip and team up with him!!

Maybe I should get on the other side of a tournament sometime and see how much really passes through the tourney piggybank... i sure would like to see the TD profits. Obviously you guys aren't pulling in Trump dollars, but im sure its not 100% out of the goodness of your little ole heart


Maybe you should because as it is now, you don't have a clue. And how does the 2-3 per player got to payout? That goes to your PDGA heros.

I also find it very funny how you are so quick to talk smack on the computer but when you broke my daughter's nose it took until the next day to speak up.

:eek::D

I want santioning and I am running a P.D.G.A. event. Also it's not half as hard as martin and others are trying too make it sound.

Matt, you're running one event, not 6-8. Multiply what you're doing times 6 and let me know what you think after that.

I just don't understand all the biatching about the non-sanctioning? You guys act like this is our entire year's schedule and that there will be no sanctioned events. I mean its like one series in the spring.
If you want to voice your opinion, do it with your check book and don't play them.

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Hatton do us all a favor and shut your MAN HOLE, if this is how you want to discuss what a TD is trying to do in his opinion for the majority of the players in town.
Thats right, I said shut your man hole! You want to hear it to your face? then feel free to find me on any course, any time. I'm not an admin, so I don't have to hold back on my opinions. You're the only one that came in here and started that crap.

I wont shut up, my dues are paid. I find it intolerable that anyone leading a disc golf club would tell local players who are merely trying to compete at a higher level they should go find events out of town. You say you want growth, but you tell players to take their money elsewhere. How is that productive? I could care less if these tournaments are sanctioned or not, ill likely be there either way, yes i would prefer they were, but whatever. But that someone running "our" club would actively tell local players to go elsewhere because hes going to have it this way, with out any consideration of other peoples opinions and perspectives is ludacris and irresponsable.

again, one more time, sanctioning means little to me. the TD can do whatever they please, nothing will change that. im merely against a "leader" figure in the club displaying complete opposition to others opinions, and wishes. an then telling them to go out of town. people constantly ask what they get out of their membership, so far ive heard of nothing. how bout some simple consideration? is that too much to ask for $15 a year?

Hatton do us all a favor and shut your MAN HOLE, if this is how you want to discuss what a TD is trying to do in his opinion for the majority of the players in town.
Thats right, I said shut your man hole! You want to hear it to your face? then feel free to find me on any course, any time. I'm not an admin, so I don't have to hold back on my opinions. You're the only one that came in here and started that crap.

I agree.

Hatton, it’s not like you chose to become a TDSA member. You aced at Chandler and were forced to. You play pro at my minis and then you run and hide in the intermediate division at a sanctioned event. I can except Dorries as the tick turd he is but you don’t even rate that high for the comments you made.

This is Martin’s deal and he can run it anyway he wants to. He is choosing to do this as a TDSA event only because he wants to raise money for the TDSA and he is using club plastic for payout of which he will get nothing for his work. If he wanted to he could do it on his own and the club would get nothing.

The only mistake he made was coming on here and asking for suggestions and opening the door for you back-seat TD wanna-bees that think the world revolves around you. Martin does not lead the club anymore than I do. If you want sanctioned then step up big boy. I'm sure the club will let you run one. Good luck finding volunteers that won't insist on playing.

I’ve had three years of Chandlerstock non-sanctioned with 130+ players so don’t tell me “sanctioned” is the only way to go. Nobody missed Dorries last year and nobody is going to miss either of you this year either.

I wont shut up, my dues are paid. I find it intolerable that anyone leading a disc golf club would tell local players who are merely trying to compete at a higher level they should go find events out of town. You say you want growth, but you tell players to take their money elsewhere. How is that productive? I could care less if these tournaments are sanctioned or not, ill likely be there either way, yes i would prefer they were, but whatever. But that someone running "our" club would actively tell local players to go elsewhere because hes going to have it this way, with out any consideration of other peoples opinions and perspectives is ludacris and irresponsable.

again, one more time, sanctioning means little to me. the TD can do whatever they please, nothing will change that. im merely against a "leader" figure in the club displaying complete opposition to others opinions, and wishes. an then telling them to go out of town. people constantly ask what they get out of their membership, so far ive heard of nothing. how bout some simple consideration? is that too much to ask for $15 a year?

Who said he is leading the club? He is one of about 10 administrators with no one having any more power than another. He is simply volunteering to run a series of events for your club, to try and raise money for your club and make it available to as many non-pdga and new players and keeping the costs lower so that they may have an intrest. He looked at the added costs and requirements of a sanctioned event and it didn't contribute to what he was trying to accomplish. As for telling players they can go else where, what is wrong with that? A decsision has been made to be non-sacntioned, plain and simple. How is anyone supposed to respond to that when the other person won't accept the decsion and keep coming back and trying to argue it. Your's and other's opinions have been noted, if you want to make them clearer then go elsewhere and play another event. In other words speak with your check book.

But you and some others continue to WHINE about it and you revert to a personal attack on someone who is trying to put money into the club account and attract new players. Talk about being intolerable?

The only mistake I can see he made was even asking anyone's opinion on it.

Special note to Martin.

In the future please follow my example and never ask for tournament advice or suggestions in an open forum. :)

I tried it the first year I did CS and got the same crap so never again.

Be like Wayne.....

Keep your volunteers close and your tournament details secret until the last possible moment. :D

bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets just all get along.
the tourny directors that have their own invetory may make some pennys,the tourny directors that use tdsa invetory dont make proffit for themselves the mark up on plastic goes to the tdsa.
i dont know any local tds that take wages or pay wages for their volunteer staff.

I want sanctioning and I am running a P.D.G.A. event. Also it's not half as hard as martin and others are trying too make it sound. All info goes into an EXCEL spread sheet that is already laid out. You only have to fill in blanks. As far as the sponsors are concerned. Nobody in Tulsa or the City should have that many problems finding candidates. I am in a freely small town and have on my own found roughly $1000.00 in donations from local business. I don't see why some of the " young guns" don't jump all over the offer from Martin too sanction at least some of the championships.
No running a PDGA event is not hard:rolleyes:, but it is expensive. you have financial overhead for sanction fees, increased player costs in PDGA fees for members, extra player fees on top of that for non PDGA members, added cash for "B" tier and above. reporting requirements and deadlines for 6 events instead of one and with a 75 hour work week I do not have time to go out and get added cash for the pro side of a "B" tier or better event and did not want to have TDSA money tied up in 6 sanction fees and make your dad have to send off all of the payment checks to the PDGA.
Unless they have changed things we would have had to cut 6 checks for six sanction fees, and then 6 checks, one for each events for the player fees and non member player fees. I think that it is enough work for Michael that he make the deposits of the event money that is allocated to the TDSA and not have to worry with other things, after all he has a day job too.
I can run PRO sanctioned events in conjunction with this series and would be happy to do so BUT, I will have to have all players wishing to do this to PRE PAY the event fees plus their part of the sanction fee for the tier that they wish it to be and if it is a "B" tier or higher they will also have to come up with the added cash money.:D
So if 4 of you want a pro "C" tier that would be $50.00 each plus player fee of $ 2.00 (PDGA) plus your share of the $ 50.00 sanction fee I.E.
each player would owe up front $64.50 no of course that could be cheaper If you and Paul are correct about the overwhelming NEED for this to be sanctioned but right now my non sanctioned players will be seeing an at the door fee of $ 20.00 AM $ 30.00 PRO about half the PDGA sanctioned price.

You all do the math and let me know, make all pre payment checks payable to the TDSA care of Michael Treat and remember all prepayments to get a match or matches sanctioned must be turned into him 45 days prior the the event to meet PDGA dead lines!:D

Oh and by the way I get nothing from this event except the JOY of running it, for those who have insinuated that I am going to the north side with swag!:mad:

The Following is the course Pairings for the Spring Fling Series:

Mohawk Red / Black (white Jr, Women)
Owasso Long, Short
McClure / Dovillio
Haikey / Hunter
Riverside / Copperhead
Chandler Bear Lair / Moose Run

Order and dates to be determined.

Non Sanctioned entry fees:
$ 20.00 All Am, Jr. Women
$ 30.00 All Pro divisions

Sanctioned entry fees for Pro Players please see prior notice
Base Fee $50.00 plus PDGA fee plus share of sanction fee based on number of players, must be pre payed 45 days prior to event date to satisfy PDGA filing requirements.

I just don't understand all the biatching about the non-sanctioning? You guys act like this is our entire year's schedule and that there will be no sanctioned events. I mean its like one series in the spring.


I personally know that I will be attending many sanctioned events in this state and others. I just like the debate, to be honest I don't care one way or the other "about this event" if it is sanctioned.

i think that's the first thing i've laughed at tha martin posted. Way to go Martin! Nice jab.

i think that's the first thing i've laughed at the martin posted. Way to go Martin! Nicejab.
No jab, dead serious I will run a co-joined Sanctioned Pro Series this spring!:cool:
But we will not ask the club to pony up funds to cover the Professional players since this was to be a fun event with a fund raising side for the TDSA:D
All Players demanding sanctioning have to do is put their money where their mouth / keybaords are :)
As has been pointed out by the south paw I can do the extra paper work for the Pros;)
but the Club is not going to pay them to play and that is what they really want.
Come on guys get those checks into Michael quick so we can sanction the events and get them on the boards:D One check for $ 300.00 aught to get the ball rolling!:D

Bueller...Bueller..:confused:

Just imagine. Somewhere out there right now Dorries is checking to see if his student loan will cover this.

After all, considering any real odds that he may cash, this could be considered an education of sorts in his eyes. :)

Just imagine. Somewhere out there right now Dorries is checking to see if his student loan will cover this.

After all, considering any real odds that he may cash, this could be considered an education of sorts in his eyes. :)

Wonder if the government is trying to figure a way to Tax Pro World points, that could really turn things ugly:D

To sum things up:
Spring Fling 2010 Will be Sanctioned PROVIDED: that players wishing to play the series as sanctioned events pay the sanction fees to the TDSA c/o Michael Treat in the amount of $300.00 (covers all 6 one day events, as this will be an all or nothing deal)
We can discuss making this a "B" tier but the price for that will be $ 450.00 plus the players will have to come up with $3000.00 more to cover the added cash minimum set by the PDGA.

The entry fees for the Spring fling Sanctioned "C" tier events will be as follows:
Open: $55 other pro $45 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Advanced $35 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Intermediate / Rec / Novice $25 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Junior $ 25

The Entry fee for the Spring fling NON SANCTIONED will be:
Pro $30
AM $20
JR $ 15

Entry fees for a "B" tier would be as follows:
Open pro $75 other pro $65 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Advanced $55 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Intermediate / Recreational $35 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Novice $30 (+$10.00 for non PDGA members)
Jr. $25

Dates are being worked on now and the PDGA requires the sanction forms and money 30 days in advance for "C" tier and 45 days in advance for "B" tiers so the money must be in by 12/31/2009 for "C" tier and 12/15/2009 for "B" tier sanctioning.

OK, all you players that wanted Sanctioned play, pool your change and get to Michael with the cash and we will provide you with a sanctioned series:D

well ill be... look at that! sanction option!

very kind of you to offer martin and treat!

I'll see what I can think of to organize some funds for the C tier sanctioning.

Way to cave in! Also the SANCTIONING fee is $100.00 per event for a C Tier... $50 for C Tier status and $50.00 for Insurance. Then you add the extra time it takes to deal with NON members, extra reports, paperwork and regulations... Are we missing out on potential players / members due to the extra fees and regulations? A NON member playing all events will have to pay $60.00 extra or be FORCED to join the PDGA on top of the extra $150.00... so get out your calculators folks... $210.00 extra so we can get a few extra pro's... Not even really good pro's at that, to travel to our events that were started as a additional fundraiser tool for the club.

This was purely Martin's decision as it should be. I don't deserve credit or criticism, I only keep the check book..

Understand Joe was using "Guys" as to not include me, just pointing that out..

fixed it... Can't wait to get some play in on those courses!!!

I would have told them all to sanction this.............................
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r213/nesti420/middle_finger_flame.jpg

That looks like a Jeff Ash fireworks show baby! He's blowin' stuff up!

Way to cave in! Also the SANCTIONING fee is $100.00 per event for a C Tier... $50 for C Tier status and $50.00 for Insurance. Then you add the extra time it takes to deal with NON members, extra reports, paperwork and regulations... Are we missing out on potential players / members due to the extra fees and regulations? A NON member playing all events will have to pay $60.00 extra or be FORCED to join the PDGA on top of the extra $150.00... so get out your calculators folks... $210.00 extra so we can get a few extra pro's... Not even really good pro's at that, to travel to our events that were started as a additional fundraiser tool for the club.
Joe, Is insurance mandatory? If it is then you are correct and the check to Michael will have to be $600.00 for the "C" tiers and $750 plus $3000.00 to be "B" tier.
OH by the way if you come up with the money for "B" tier status you also have to have 48+ other players who will pony up the entry fee!:D

GET THOSE CHECK BOOKS OUT BOYS!

well ill be... look at that! sanction option!

very kind of you to offer martin and treat!

I'll see what I can think of to organize some funds for the C tier sanctioning.

MUST be cash or check with sufficient funds (no rubber money)
MUST be paid by the dead lines given (12/15/09 "B" 12/31/09 "C")

NO CLUB MATCHING FUNDS WILL BE USED
(they are already fronting the prize pool)

Michael is the treasurer, he gets the money.

Insurance is not mandatory but a smart move for obvious reasons. Good job Martin on getting this rolling again, you were sorely missed last year.

Hey, you and I ran most of it last year, take it easy on us:)

Hey, you and I ran most of it last year, take it easy on us:)
AND DID A GREAT JOB TOO!:cool:
I hated to miss them but that hand surgery would not wait:(

Way to cave in! Also the SANCTIONING fee is $100.00 per event for a C Tier... $50 for C Tier status and $50.00 for Insurance. Then you add the extra time it takes to deal with NON members, extra reports, paperwork and regulations... Are we missing out on potential players / members due to the extra fees and regulations? A NON member playing all events will have to pay $60.00 extra or be FORCED to join the PDGA on top of the extra $150.00... so get out your calculators folks... $210.00 extra so we can get a few extra pro's... Not even really good pro's at that, to travel to our events that were started as a additional fundraiser tool for the club.

cool.

I know. I wish we had more pdga members or they had lower fees for non members. If that were the case this would be a non issue. Martin... you have a PM.

Funny how every player that biatched about sanctioning for these events didn't even bother to show up for the B TIER in Stillwater.:cool:

All talk no walk!

None of them..huh

the other advanced players I talked to said "can't justify spending 60 for a one day"
that was from 3 of the top players in the advanced division.

I wanted to play but getting merch was more important to me this weekend.

What are the rates going to be for advanced in the C-tier Series you are running Martin ?

the other advanced players I talked to said "can't justify spending 60 for a one day"
that was from 3 of the top players in the advanced division.

I wanted to play but getting merch was more important to me this weekend.

What are the rates going to be for advanced in the C-tier Series you are running Martin ?

The players pack was worth 30 or more "t shirt and glow disc", players got 4 FREE c.t.p.'s and around 200 bucks in the ring of fire, plus the 10 off any revo bag coupon in the players pack "thanks Joe".

Just goes to show that sanctioning adds costs to the event. These players whining about sanctioning want the deluxe super sized combo meal but they only want to pay the dollar menu price. Sorry but after all those arguments for sanctioing, then not showing up for the next sanctioned event kind of leaves them with

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/highschool/06/18/national.stories/t1_martin.jpg

The Following is the course Pairings for the Spring Fling Series:

Mohawk Red / Black (white Jr, Women)
Owasso Long, Short
McClure / Dovillio
Haikey / Hunter
Riverside / Copperhead
Chandler Bear Lair / Moose Run

Order and dates to be determined.

Non Sanctioned entry fees:
$ 20.00 All Am, Jr. Women
$ 30.00 All Pro divisions

Sanctioned entry fees for Pro Players please see prior notice
Base Fee $50.00 plus PDGA fee plus share of sanction fee based on number of players, must be pre payed 45 days prior to event date to satisfy PDGA filing requirements.
:D
Happy to restate the prices:
All AM players will play for $20 in a non sanctioned version of the series and all PRO players can play in the same non sanctioned series for $ 30
If the players that are demanding Sanctioning pay the required $600.00 to the TDSA before the 12/31/2009 deadline then the series will have an attached "C" tier.
Fees for the sanctioned "C" tiers (only after the $600.00 is paid)
would be as follows:
Open Pro $55.00
other Pro $45
Advanced $35
intermediate and Recreational $25
Novice and Juniors $ 25

We are currently in the date setting process at this time.

Matt, agree with you that the players package was nice. Don't think anyone knew about the players pack though. My last Stillwater tournament I got a Champion wraith and love it still have it. But I would have played for 35 or 40 and just a pro disc. Some times the perks don't seem to overcome the price.

However, hear you did a great job running things and I do look forward to playing next year. Was just the perfect storm of not enough income to meet my wants as much as my needs.

2010 TDSA Spring Flings and Championship Series
Week 1:
February 20, 2010 Chandler Park Bear Lair / Moose Run
February 21, 2010 Centennial Park short / long

Week 2:
March 6, 2010 Copperhead Canyon / Riverside Park
March 7, 2010 Mohawk Park Red hawk / Black hawk (white Fem/Jr.)

Week 3:
April 10, 2010 McClure Park / Course Dovillio
April 11, 2010 Hunter Park / Haikey Creek Park

Park closure will cancel round(s) scheduled for that slot, reschedule will be attempted if possible.
if one park is closed and the other is open on two course days then both rounds will be at the open park!

Additional details and start times pending:cool:

Get your game ready for the summer of 2010:D

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.
We are so glad you could attend step inside step inside.
next up on the stand will you please extend a hand to Alexander's rag time band, Dixie land Dixie land.

name band, song and album:D

Band= Electric Light Orchestra, song= Brain Salad Surgery, album is the same as song title..

What's my prize??

Band= Electric Light Orchestra, song= Brain Salad Surgery, album is the same as song title..

What's my prize??
Album title is correct :) band and song are not:eek:
Prize is free entry into Spring Fling #1 Chandler Park all day event :D

Band: Emerson, Lake, & Palmer.
Album: Brain Salad Surgery
Song: Karn Evil # 9 1st impression part 2.

(On the original album part 2 was the first song on the second side but if you listen to the 5.1 DVD version Part 1 & 2 are all one song.)

Sorry Treat. You should stick with the Gratefull Dead trivia because Furdog brings home the prize this time buddy!!!! :)

... u-u-u-u-w . . . what a Lucky Man . . . . . He Was ...

Wow....I can't believe I got in there before the "Wayne'ster" to pick up that win. I was going to help Martin with TD duties but now that I'm in the front row with a free entry I guess I'll have to hire Lil'Moose to help out. :)

Band: Emerson, Lake, & Palmer.
Album: Brain Salad Surgery
Song: Karn Evil # 9 1st impression part 2. (But if you listen to the 5.1 DVD version Part 1 & 2 are all one song.)

Sorry Treat. You should stick with the Gratefull Dead trivia because Furdog brings home the prize this time buddy!!!! :)
made that too easy :D
Guess the Dog plays for free on his home turf:cool:

Look for more chances to win comming soon but next time I may have to pull from somthing a little more current like the decade of the 2000s

That's right buddy. Look for me in the GrandMaster division this year. I'm going out there right now to move all the tee pads on "The Moose" to within 200ft for my throwing arm!!!! :)

Sorry Hicks but you shouldn't have gone "Blue Dog" Democrat on me on that numbered bag tag vote.

You broke my heart Fredo. :(

Now I'm forced to throw my lot in with my arch enemy and nemisis "Twoputt" and his bag tag deal. :mad:

And on top of you having to do that, you also get to welcome me into the Grand Masters Division.:eek:

Well now that Martin is covering my entry I guess it's about time I play Pro. :D

Go ahead and put the cost of my entry on Dorries tab will ya Martin?:rolleyes:

It also means I get to park in those handicapped spots and get discount movie passes.

The difference is that as a Pro GrandMaster, I'll be stepping up while you'll just be hiding from Hicks. :)

As he is hiding from Dorries, Crowel, Devan and Coda? ....... You can call it hiding if you want but me playing pro masters with Hicks, Hutch, Sammy and Pennington is like you playing up in pro, nothing but a donation. Its just a simple fact and ratings are a key indicator of where you should or shouldn't be playing. I'd go back to Adv Masters if they'd let me but my rating is too high, according to their standards.

Example: I played Blackhawk with Bill Pennington (Pro Master) I shot a 62, not great but acceptable for a bad day. Bill shot a 50! That's right...50. The only time I have ever had a 50 on that course is NEVER! So, I'm more than happy to move along to Grand Masters.

Well I'm looking forward to putting the serious beat-down on some of my rival TD's like old Treat and that Wayne'ster guy. They have been hiding from me for years and now there will be nowhere for them to run.:cool:

Go ahead and put the cost of my entry on Dorries tab will ya Martin?:rolleyes:

only way i would ever pick up your tab would be if you got drunk enough to sign a contract to run an a-tier at hunter park.

http://yoyodawgdawg.com/pics/yo-dawg-hiding.jpg

Well I'm looking forward to putting the serious beat-down on some of my rival TD's like old Treat and that Wayne'ster guy. They have been hiding from me for years and now there will be nowhere for them to run.:cool:
dang now I have to duck the dog, glad the Wise on is going to be playing DJ and Joe T not me. I just duck behind the sign in desk and stay off of course.

Love the Walmart tag line Dog:D

only way i would ever pick up your tab would be if you got drunk enough to sign a contract to run an a-tier at hunter park.

Hic!...hwo harD kan it reely B?? :confused:

I hav know (Hic!) probleem crapppin on Merry's korse. . .

Hic!....jUST giv mE the (Hic!) stinKIN thInG.....i''ll cign ti!!! (Hic)...

http://www.themunchies.net/jart/Jerry_Garcia_Dead.gif

I will donate the free entry Martin gave me to the 1st Spring Fling 2010 event at Chandler to the first person that can correctly guess the total number of blue lights on the TDSA light display currently hanging at Chandler park.

500

50 blue lights

In response to both of you....."no" and "no".

If its less than 500 then you're nothing but a cheap bastrd.

If its less than 500 then you're nothing but a cheap bastrd.
Hey no fair caling the dog cheap :D

If its less than 500 then you're nothing but a cheap bastrd.

Well considering neither you or the club paid for any of it your opinion means squat.

Next year I'm going to get rid of the TSDA sign and put up a "Moose Rule!!!" sign. :p

Hers yur sign...............

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/7/8/633510739456787054-fail---this-is-pretty-epic.jpg

i will donate the free entry martin gave me to the 1st spring fling 2010 event at chandler to the first person that can correctly guess the total number of blue lights on the tdsa light display currently hanging at chandler park.

.
.
... 288

Sorry.

The MotherDisc is 10 ft in diameter and I tried to cram as many lights on it as I could so think 10 ft x pie and do the math.:rolleyes:

Also think number of lights in a strand.

The true winner will count the strands and multiply. ;)

2000 lights to brighten the tdsa sign that blesses the park patrons

1600

No, & no.

What do you guys think this is a Rhema Bible School display?:rolleyes:

750

Wait.....Wait......Wait!!!!!

Could it be???????........

Nah, sorry.

Hat to do this to you but there are 299 blue lights.

I hate to do this to you but no.:p

Then you better drag your arse out there and count them buddie!:mad:

You have one bulb missing. You also have 100 red lights.:cool:

Either pay up or I'm going to start screaming fraud.:eek:

Well I'll have to check my cell phone messages when I get off work because people who can't post here have been calling in guesses on my cell phone.

Right now my computer shows that you posted your response at 4:57pm so when I get off work and check my messages, if nobody has left a message before 4:57pm with the correct answer I will consider your claim. :rolleyes:

I'm not sure about how Martin is going to feel about a convicted felon getting a free pass into his event though and I know Mr. Standingbear is not going to like it so just in case, everybody keep those guesses coming. :D

In the meantime I'll see if I can find a TD that will vote to veto Dave's claim. :)

Especially since he has a habit on throwing one disc and then quitting.:confused:

I knew you wold try to pull somthing like the time difference on this board, SO, I also sent you a text that is stamped at 11:20am today.

And by the way, there is a HUGE difference between charged and convicted.

:D

BTW, the red lights were donated by the hookers who have set up shop for the holidays. I figured why should your course be the only one to offer a little beaver on the side. :)

You might as well announce the fact that a correct answer has been given. As much as it hurts you just need to suck it up and admit it.:D

And by the way, there is a HUGE difference between charged and convicted.

I convicted you in the only court that matters. Judge Lil'Moose's court.

Don't think the testimony of your partner in crime got you off the hook.

It's 90 days on the "P" farm for you buddy.:eek:

R u telling me the TDSA can't pony up $600 for sanctioning fees? In my opinion this is ridiculous. I thought Tulsa had one of the premier clubs in the Nation. If u sanction these tournaments u can expect more players.

Mike, this is not a TDSA event, its Martin's event that he is running as a fundraiser for the club. Granted it is with the club's belssing but its his event.

Mike, this is not a TDSA event, its Martin's event that he is running as a fundraiser for the club. Granted it is with the club's belssing but its his event.

I understand. This means I have no choice but to load my golf bag with cold brewskies. Beer during dg tournaments means more fun and more lousy golf shots. Can't wait to play.

Now you have the right idea. This series is going to be a blast, and my first entry is free.

I don't know. Technically you said 299 but originally there are actually 300.

My statement was "how many blue lights are on the TDSA display" so I'll have to check to see if there is one light lying on the ground and physically touching the TDSA sign because technically that is considered "part of the display" and that would mean that Dorries could be considered the winner because he was the first to post 300.

You better drive back out there and make sure I don't find a blue light on the ground buddy.:eek:

that would mean that Dorries could be considered the winner because he was the first to post 300.

Sry Wise, you left the door wide open for that move. BOOOOOOM!

Well within 30 seconds of my post above, Wise is off the board so I imagine he must be speeding out there in his Avalanche to double check his accounting.:D

The guy gripes about driving 20 miles to donate money for Nite golf at Riverside but has no problem driving 30 to count physically count a bunch of Xmas lights.:rolleyes:

i would have to say that I agree, you did say how many lights, not how many operating lights. just because its a dead light, doesnt mean its not a light...

I'll bet you Dave is feeling kind of like "Shambo" right now.

Bill Buckner, another man of great blunder, also comes to mind.:D

Its not a light that is burned out, it is missing completetly, thus leaving 299 lights.

Sry Wise, you left the door wide open for that move. BOOOOOOM!


Sorry Dorries, you left the door open by giving me the time to drive out there and count them personally. 3 times I might add. The difference is mine is not a guess but an actual fact!

he knows I have won the entry and he will try to do anything that will prevent me from getting it. But he knows he has been had. He was hoping someone other than me would drive out there but it didn't happen and I waited almost two days. I was sure someone would go out there but I guess it was up to me to do.


So SUCK ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Its mine.

Well I'll be out there jamming on the Christmas stage tonight so I will inspect the display then and if I don't see a blue light in physical contact with the TDSA sign then I will have Lil'Moose photograph the scene and declare Twoputt the official winner, ......that is unless I can think of some other "spin" between now and then to deny him of it.;)

Please PM me any suggestions you all might have.:rolleyes:

We don't need no PDGA official to make this decision because this is a non-sanctioned display.:eek:

You either pay up or that display, minus the sign is getting ready to move to Owasso.:mad:

Oh!!!! So you're the one that's been messing with the reindeer and other Xmas decorations aye??? And all this time you were telling me it was somebody else. :mad:

That's grounds for disqualification right there buddy!!!!

What are you going to do, strap that thing to the hood of your Avalanche and drive it home? Good luck. It's equipped with a GPS sensor so I'll know where it is at all times and I will track you down just like those guys who stole a penguin statue years back. That will get you nothing but a prime time spot on "Worlds' Dummest Criminals.":rolleyes:

Disqualification Pm's are rolling in and I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet.:p

One person stated that if you have won anything within the last thirty days then you are automatically ineligible.

Another person suggested the best way to settle this may be for you and Dorries to have a playoff. The winner gets the free entry and the loser has to wear a dress and be my caddie at the Ice Bowl.:)

Come on buddy. Are you capable of a repeat????? I'm sure Opie wouldn't have a problem passing the crown on.

http://www.tulsadiscsports.org/furdog_andrew_twoputt.jpg

...how 'bout this...'technically' there are no 'lights'...but bulbs...so it was a trick question and the real answer is 0...

...posted at 3:16 PM, 12/18/2009... :p

...how 'bout this...'technically' there are no 'lights'...but bulbs...so it was a trick question and the real answer is 0...

...posted at 3:16 PM, 12/18/2009... :p

Thank you George. Another fine spin.

Dave went out there during the day so in reality he saw no actual "lights" at all. All he saw were 299 unlit bulbs which was not my original question.:rolleyes:

He doesn't know how many of those bulbs actually light up until he goes out there at night. Some could be duds and not light up at all. :o

I went out there one night after a few beers and counted 598.:D

…for some reason this thread reminds me of the final Jeapordy Theme song…

…bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum…
…bum, bum, bum, bum, bum---badadadada…
…bum, bum, bum, bum ,bum ,bum, bum…
…bum…badada.....da…...da……...dup--bong-bong…
<O:p
…times up…please put your pencils down! :p

Geography for $400 George..

Name this point on the map.
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/10104223/2/istockphoto_10104223-young-business-man-holding-middle-finger-on-world-map-background.jpg

just got back from chandler, quite an amazing display.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/new%20folder/TDSA.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/new%20folder/TDSA2.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/new%20folder/chandler-1.jpg

All 299 blue lights of it.:D

Sorry but I found one touching the sign.

Dorries was there to point it out to me.:rolleyes:

If it was touching the sign, then it wasn't ON the display. You asked how many blue lights on the display, not on the ground.

Go ahead and try to stiff me on it, your's is coming.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wTKEFIKSrvg/RjBt5RLL2EI/AAAAAAAAAOU/0MrRdANEqLY/s320/image54hk2.jpg

Have you won me a caddie for the Ice Bowl yet?:confused:

U can use my pull cart.

Well I was kind of hoping for an accountant in a dress that could keep track of the number of shots I throw but I understand. If you can't beat Dorries then I guess a pull cart will have to do.:cool:

I officially declare Dave (Twoputt) Wise the winner of the TDSA Light Display Trivia Contest. Ya'll had your chance and by hesitating you all let "the evil" win.:(

I thought for sure Gumby Barton or the Coberly gang could have brought in a victory but unfortunately they were snoozing when it mattered the most.:cool:

Special thanks to Gary Nail for driving out there and photographing it and posting it on the board.:)

I officially declare Dave (Twoputt) Wise the winner of the TDSA Light Display Trivia Contest. Ya'll had your chance and by hesitating you all let "the evil" win.:(


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http://www.northcastle.co.uk/botu/Misc%20Villains/DickDastardly.jpg Strikes again!

^^^^^^^

See what I'm talking about.:(

Disc Golf complacency is exactly what is wrong with the world.

Ya'all don�t blame me if your ratings crap out, you lose your job, and this guy comes and steals your �Polly Purebred�.

You allowed it to happen and now you will suffer �The Dasterdly Curse�.

Our hero�s have turned to zero�s and it�s game over when things like this are allowed to happen.:(

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Martin, if you want to cancel Spring Fling # 1 at Chandler and save yourself some money I won't mind.

Right now I'm hoping for snow and ice to force a park closure.:rolleyes:

Martin, if you want to cancel Spring Fling # 1 at Chandler and save yourself some money I won't mind.

Right now I'm hoping for snow and ice to force a park closure.:rolleyes:

No way, we have to play from the mountain top :D
This year should offer the truest test of Disc golf skill to date.:cool:
even the 2006 Worlds did not offer the full impact to Disc Golf Tulsa!
This year we will play each of our 18 hole courses to their fullest (weather permitting)

6 Days
11 courses
Daily winners :cool:
Divisional Winners :cool::cool:
ONE GRAND WINNER:D
and no whiners :rolleyes:

http://www.retrojunkie.com/soundbox/stopdo.mp3

No way, we have to play from the mountain top :D
This year should offer the truest test of Disc golf skill to date.:cool:
even the 2006 Worlds did not offer the full impact to Disc Golf Tulsa!
This year we will play each of our 18 hole courses to their fullest (weather permitting)

6 Days
11 courses
Daily winners :cool:
Divisional Winners :cool::cool:
ONE GRAND WINNER:D
and no whiners :rolleyes:

no whiners.. HA!
you forget what you're doing... running a tourney. someone always whines at a tourney!