Any idea if the course will have any significant changes from '08? Will the Buncr (sp?) rule still be around or will it go back to the normal OB rules? Thank you in advance for any updates....

Can't wait for this tournament! I have heard so much about it yet have been unable to go due to college issues but this time I AM IN!

Also thanks to Innova and Harold for putting this on year after year as it is an event that will hopefully gain our sport more exposure in the future and be the launching pad we need to get to the next level.

Anyway TX will be representing in Small force this year and my plan is to beat at least one of the other guys.lol

57 dayssssss

Hey there Brad,

Some of the decisions have to wait till closer to the event due to the fact that Winthrop has a knack of throwing knuckle balls at Harold by starting new projects or with events that could conflict. My gut feel from a lot of the talk last year was that the Buncr/bunker rule might well be in play again this year but I have not heard. I usually get the honor of accompanying Harold around the course as a sounding board for any new ideas and I hope that will be the same this year. I am far less devious a designer than he. If I hear anything I will post it. If not, I hope to see you and shuttle you to your tee time this year. Too hard for this old guy to qualify for that event these days. Plus, that course hurts what is left of my disc golf pride.

See you soon.

I got the impression that Harold, Dave and Jonathon were going to look at the stats and how the holes played then selectively look at which ones the buncr idea seemed to work well and possibly go back to, add or change to OB on others. It will be interesting to see what shakes out.

I love the USDGC course. Probably will never
get to play the tournament but I really think
that is the best course currently in disc golf.
It has the whole package. The atmosphere at
the tournament is awesome as well. Great time.

I don't care for the Buncr rule. Just my opinion.

I love the USDGC course. Probably will never
get to play the tournament but I really think
that is the best course currently in disc golf.
It has the whole package. The atmosphere at
the tournament is awesome as well. Great time.

I don't care for the Buncr rule. Just my opinion.

little plug here ... I've felt the same way watching from the other side of the ropes for a few years now and have to say that getting to play in the first year of US Doubles Championship last year was an amazing experience. I know it wasn't THE USDGC but playing in a tournament setting inside the ropes (or at least trying to stay inside) was awesome! I've played spectator day a couple times and its nothing like playing during a tourney. I'm sure the actual tourney is even that much better but for those of us that might not get a chance to play in the big dance it has to be as close as you can get.

That being said... Pro spots are still open for the doubles tourney and Am has a waitlist started (they are giving time to the Ams that already qualified to decide if they are in/out). Go to 'www.charlottedgc.com' for more info or check out the tourney thread on here. Last year the Am side filled and there was a spot on the pro side and an Am team that self proclaimed that they had 'no business playing pro' still had a blast.

CANT WAIT FOR CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK... US DUBS THEN USDGC!!!!

Brad (or someone)....Can you explain what the buncr rule is? I haven't played in the tournament since 2006, but I'll be back this year.

Thanks..

There are three types of buncr rules and the USDGC uses the most extreme. If you land in a marked area called a buncr, you must rethrow from your previous lie. However, there's no added penalty like OB. You just count the bad throw into the buncr, sort of like a practice throw.

The less extreme buncr rules not used at USDGC either use a drop zone where you play from if you land in a buncr, or line of play to move back out of the buncr similar to landing in a casual relief area. We used one like this near a pin at PW2007 on hole 2 on the Gold course.

Thanks for the response...

Considering my previous scores on hole 17 in the past, I think I like this rule.

Considering my previous scores on hole 17 in the past, I think I like this rule.

Considering my score on hole 17 during 2007, I almost felt like I was cheating with last year's buncr rule in effect. :p

Buncr = significant reduction in the "pucker factor" at Winthrop Gold.

I love the USDGC course. Probably will never
get to play the tournament but I really think
that is the best course currently in disc golf.
It has the whole package. The atmosphere at
the tournament is awesome as well. Great time.

I don't care for the Buncr rule. Just my opinion.

I agree, with you comments on the USDGC

I'm not sure how I feel about the Buncr Rule. I have seen a 21 on hole 17 with normal OB, on video I have seen a 15 with the Buncr. Both where so hard to watch. the 15 would have been 30 with normal OB. (well maybe 28 or 29). I do think the USDGC is a great place to try new things.

may guess is the rope on hole 18 will come in some. seems like it's a pattern every year.

Buncr is kind of...well...I don't like it. When in golf are you ever teeing 2?

I play 17 for a 3. Last year a guy missed it twice, then almost a third time but stays in...takes a 4. 2 bad shots, and only 1 stroke difference?

may guess is the rope on hole 18 will come in some. seems like it's a pattern every year.

I don't think it can come in any farther!

When in golf are you ever teeing 2?
Whiff!

Whiff!

that's funny!

And when does that ever happen in disc golf? :)

One thing I have always thought they should/would do is have multiple placements on each, or some, hole(s).

Nothing crazy, just different, progressively getting more difficult as the days go on. 10-20 feet is enough to make the hole different.

And when does that ever happen in disc golf?
Second foot fault called and seconded.,,, and USDGC buncrs!

OCTOBER 7-10, 2009 Championship Week Begins

* 55 days
* 11 hours
* 24 minutes

Unbelievable that 1000 rated holes have such
a hard time with hole 17. Please a 30! Are you
kidding me?

I just don't know how you can't at least keep
it to single digits. It is not that hard of a shot.

Harold, don't cave to all this pressure. I know you
love that you have created one of the greatest mysteries
in disc golf. Hole 17 at USDGC.

On a side note I know that veteran players like
Dave Greenwell and Ken Climo consistently birdie,
par and occasionally bogey that hole. No worse.
It goes to show that having a great short
game is still the best asset in golf. (ball or disc)

Unbelievable that 1000 rated holes have such
a hard time with hole 17. Please a 30! Are you
kidding me?

I just don't know how you can't at least keep
it to single digits. It is not that hard of a shot.



Obviously you've never stepped up to that hole after navigating the previous 16. :)

Have you even ever thrown this hole?

Hole 1 is probably one of the easiest holes on the course, until it's your turn to throw.

Yes I have thrown the hole. Actually parked
it first throw with a slightly beat roc.
I have never played in the USDGC and probably
will never be good enough to compete
at that level.

I could imagine the hole being very tough
with tournament pressure on. No discounting
that.

It's just a disc golf oddity. (hole 17)

CT is officially signed up.

:eek::)

How updated is the registered competitors list/state representative list?

not sure if you saw it but top of the list here

http://www.usdgc.com/competitors/registered-competitors

says 8/26

and it looks like they used google docs which would automatically update every 5 minutes so if they make a change to the master it would be live within 5 minutes.

has there been an official announcement yet on whether or not the buncr rule will be in play this year or not?

has there been an official announcement yet on whether or not the buncr rule will be in play this year or not?

If you count Chuck's "it worked" comment as official. not sure exactly what that means but I would say you can count on it. The rumor last year was they wanted to use it on every hole.

I guess it's better if it's used on every hole, instead of just a couple. Will definitely increase speed of play, hopefully.

I thought it would be cool to start a Monday qualifying list, to see how many players and who the players are that are attempting to qualify on Monday for USDGC. As well, the score they will need to shoot.
I know of one for sure that is coming:
1) Billy Lund - Tulsa, OK

Billy Lund For sure coming? I Hope I get to see Billy Lund there but he is the KING of the "I'll be there" and not be there. Billy, if you show up I got one of your $25 qualifying rounds.

I'll call the score that it will take to get into the playoff will be 63.

I thought I have been communicating with the new and improved Billy Lund :)
I'm going to go with 65 gets you in a playoff.

Billy Lund For sure coming? I Hope I get to see Billy Lund there but he is the KING of the "I'll be there" and not be there. Billy, if you show up I got one of your $25 qualifying rounds.

I'll call the score that it will take to get into the playoff will be 63.

I was just thinking yesterday, who's not in that should/could be?

This thread could shed some light on those names.

Unless miracle happens, I wont be aTTending this year. I do think Bard is coming down with some other friZZaks though!

64 is the cut line.

another name on the list:
1)Billy Lund - Tulsa, OK
2)James Lebaube - Orlando, FL

I'll be there.

I would like to go sometime, if only to get to play the course, since I know I would never get to play a "live" round there.

Not makin it this year - 1st time ever :(

Sorry to hear that. How come Craig?
Not makin it this year - 1st time ever :(

I can't believe it's a little over a month away and the highest rated player in the world has yet to register. http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=40214&year=2009. Could make for an interesting Monday.

Qualifying scores that get in this year.
63
65
66
2 at 67 there will be a 4 way tie at 67 forcing a Monday playoff

Tom Kim will come down and play one early round carding a 68 and sit on that score thinking it's good enough only to get bumped by the last few groups.

I am coming again this year and bringing two other guys with me so thats three more for the qualifier
1. Chris Eads-- Fort Smith Ar
2. Zack Asbury-- Fort Smith Ar
3. Matt Scott-- N. Little Rock Ar

Score to get in is going to be -2

Go hogs! Go!

i am coming again this year and bringing two other guys with me so thats three more for the qualifier
1. Chris eads-- fort smith ar
2. Zack asbury-- fort smith ar
3. Matt scott-- n. Little rock ar

score to get in is going to be -2

WOO HOO!!!!

after being an interested internet observer for the last 3 years, I finally qualified!

I am super stoked and already looking forward to making the trip and seeing everybody

Dear USDGC Competitors,

I hope that this note finds you well. As you prepare for the Championship, I wanted to inform you of two rule variance requests that have been granted by the PDGA. One of the variances relates to demonstration of balance for putting and the other is a change to the warning for stance violations.

For demonstrating balance, the last sentence of 803.04C would be replaced with:

Before advancing to the hole, the player must demonstrate full control of balance by having all momentum towards the hole stopped and both feet on the ground no closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker.

To eliminate the warning on stance violations, the the last sentence of 803.04 F would be removed and 803.04G would be amended to read as follows:

Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation will be re-thrown. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group. For the first violation in the round, the player will, without a penalty throw, take the worse of the two results, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. On the second and all subsequent violations in the same round, the player will incur a one-throw penalty and take the result of the re-throw.

For these and all other rules situations, we feel the following is useful in deciding what to call:

If it�s clear, make the call. Call clear infractions every time. If it�s unclear, don�t make the call. Never call an unclear infraction.

Being held to a higher standard while striving to consistently and fairly apply the rules helps me to feel proud about our profession and the USDGC. Feel free to write back with your thoughts on these changes or any other aspect of the United States Disc Golf Championship. I look forward to seeing each of you in October.

Take care,
Harold

Dear USDGC Competitors,

For demonstrating balance, the last sentence of 803.04C would be replaced with:

Before advancing to the hole, the player must demonstrate full control of balance by having all momentum towards the hole stopped and both feet on the ground no closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker.That is a very good way to define demonstrating balance on putts inside ten meters. Have you had any controversy at your tournament over the rule requiring a player to demonstrate balance inside of ten meters?

To eliminate the warning on stance violations, the the last sentence of 803.04 F would be removed and 803.04G would be amended to read as follows:

Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation will be re-thrown. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group. For the first violation in the round, the player will, without a penalty throw, take the worse of the two results, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. On the second and all subsequent violations in the same round, the player will incur a one-throw penalty and take the result of the re-throw.
This is a good way to eliminate the possibility of the friendly foot-fault call.

I never understood why someone would be mad about getting a foot fault called on them.
Rules are rules and if you gain an unfair advantage, thats not right. I want to be called every time I foot fault, to get better at legal shots.

The special rule is to prevent players taking advantage of foot faults called by themselves versus called by others.

Dear USDGC Competitors,


To eliminate the warning on stance violations, the the last sentence of 803.04 F would be removed and 803.04G would be amended to read as follows:

Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation will be re-thrown. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group. For the first violation in the round, the player will, without a penalty throw, take the worse of the two results, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. On the second and all subsequent violations in the same round, the player will incur a one-throw penalty and take the result of the re-throw.




This would still allow an illegal throw to still be played.

Not really, because with the new rule, any throw made is sort of like provisional pending whether a foot fault is called. That's really the case even without the rule change. Anyway, it would seem like it's more important to prevent the likely better throw from being played after a sometimes "questionable" self called foot fault resulting in a rethrow.

All throws are "sort of like a provisional"? What?

I guess I always thought that a foot fault was illegal and the resulting throw would be null and void.

Hmmm.

So, say a player plants on his disc/marker, slips and shanks OB, 90 degrees from the lie. No distance gained, OB. The rethrow is perfect, all the way down the fairway and in bounds. The player has to take the first shot if the group agrees that it is worse.

That seems strange. After a shank that bad, the player could just drop his putter on the ground in front of him as his rethrow shot and accept that his first lie could not get any worse. Weird.

All throws are "sort of like a provisional"? What? I guess I always thought that a foot fault was illegal and the resulting throw would be null and void.
Technically a throw isn't "legal" until it's executed properly according to the rules. A foot fault call might make it "illegal" if it's called within 3 seconds of release. So within the first 3 seconds of release, a throw is really provisional until three seconds passes and no one calls a foot fault. The USDGC modification simply says the throw remains provisional after a foot fault call until the condition of throwing the other throw has been met.

At this prestigious of an event, are our resouces so limitied that it would it be that tough to have an official on each card to officiate ??? --- The best solution we can come up with is to modify rules to mitigate risk of collusion? The players are already finding the loopholes.

An official wouldn't be able to prevent the self called foot fault "mulligan" under current rules. What loophole did you find? DSproAVIAR's post was not a loophole but a helpful speed of play enhancement with the special rule that allows the player to accept their bad first throw without making players also chase down the second shot.

If two players still wanted to collude, they still could. Phantom foot faulter & collusive caller could very easily then contend that the phantom foot faulter's preferred throw was the "worse of the two results" & a threesome would have reached a "majority of the group" & collusion would be complete. It would actually be better than the current rule for the phantom foot faulter, because he would not have to worry about the potentiality of his rethrow being even worse than his original; he would have two to choose from instead of only the rethrow.

A foursome in the above case would then be at an impasse, with no majority ruling possible. An official might then be relatively easy to find at the USDGC, but at "normal" tournaments, maybe not.

The painfully easy fix would be to make the 1st stance violation the same (penalty-wise) as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Rethrow w/ penalty & original throw may never be used.

Any dissenter in the group would able to simply point out the locations of the shots for an official or TD to later make the determination that collusion was in effect and potentially DQ the colluders or at least add a 2-throw penalty for misplaying the hole to both the player and the colluder(s). An even riskier move to collude here than under current rule IMO.

take the worse of the two results, as determined by a majority of the group or an official.
The way the "rule" is written, misplay is completely out of the question. Absent an official on the scene, once the "majority of the group" has spoken, the ruling is made & the hole is correctly played from the lie that the majority has decided upon.

Only leg a dissenter would have on which to stand would be willful cheating, and if the unsportsmanlike resolve of the two colluders is strong, only irrefutable video evidence could possibly make the story of one persuade a TD to DQ over the story of two. (And, considering the laxity of enforcement of other rules, I doubt even that would do it.)

Just like a player has the option to throw a provisional for a later ruling by the TD even though the majority of the group says their shot should be ruled a certain way, a player has the right to question any group or official ruling for later review by the TD. Of course, that dissenting player would be wise to call over a few others in the area to look at the results of the two throws so they could corroborate the positions to counter any additional collusion by those involved once the marshal or TD comes to look it over.

The painfully easy fix would be to make the 1st stance violation the same (penalty-wise) as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. Rethrow w/ penalty & original throw may never be used.

Hey Ray,

We strongly considered the option to penalize the 1st infraction the same as all of the others. It is definitely the easiest, but we ultimately felt that this might be too painful, even for an elite field like the USDGC. The rule may evolve in this fashion some day.

Take care,
Harold

You can add me to the list. Let's see if attempt #5 this year will be the special number for me to get in this year. Even If I don't, I have an abundance of homies that are holding it down that I'd be able to watch. (*tear, I hope it doesn't come to that.)

so when do we get a look at this year's changes and caddy book?

so when do we get a look at this year's changes and caddy book?

I've been checking in daily for that!


On a side note, Will Shusterick will be trying to qualify, again, on Monday.

I could be wrong, but doesn't Will Schusterick have an exemption for being in the Top 20 last year. He shouldn't have to qualify or am I misunderstanding the rules about previous year exemptions.

If you have an exemption and don't register/pay by August 31, you lose your spot and need to Monday qualify.

this monday thing happens every hear, and every year people get mad at the people who didn't pay on time, and every year someone who didn't pay on time ends up taking someone else's spot on monday, i'd be upset if i were a monday hopeful.

Shoot better than the next guy. If you belong in this type of tournament then you will have no problem posting a good enough score to get in. Will may fail miserably and miss out on his chance. Maybe it will teach him and others in the same situation a lesson. If it were me, I'd sell my liver to come up with the entry. Just sayin!!!

whats sad is in cases where someone qualified at a tourney and doesnt get their money in and then goes and takes a monday spot they are taking 2 spots away... 1 from the gy that finished just below them at the tourney who would have the spot and 1 from a Monday guy. I know this isn't the case with Will... if(when) he qualifies on Monday he'll only be taking 1 spot away from someone else.

Help me out with the math here.

Let's say the field is capped at 180 players, and 170 qualified via various means. That would leave 10 spots for Monday qualifiers, right?

Now, let's say that only 155 of those 170 are registered. That makes 25 spots for Monday qualifiers, so those who could have registered but did not actually _added_ a spot for Monday qualifying, and at the very worst, retook the spot they could have had by registering.

The only way one of those "qualified but non-registered, but requalified on Monday" players would take away a spot from someone else is if the number alloted for Monday qualifiers is set, no matter how many registered. Is that the case? Would there only be, say, 10 spots for Monday qualification, with no regard to how many preregistered, be it 160 or 16?

And one of these persons did not take a spot away from someone who finished one place behind them at a qualifying tournament. If the standard for one of these events is, "Top X finishers, or lowest X scores" qualifies, then someone who did not finish in the top X or have one of the X lowest scores did not qualify, regardless of what someone who finished ahead of them chose to do in regards to registering for the USDGC in the specified time frame after the event. I don't think someone can state at the event that they do not intend to register, so let someone behind me register instead.

The only time that could possibly happen is if the rule is "Top X finishers that have not yet registered". Then you could have somene who finished in X+1 place, but qualifed because someone ahead of them has already registered. Where this could be a real headache is if someone, who qualified say, last weekend, plays in another qualifying event this week, and places well enough to qualify again. Does that person take another spot away, or since that person is still within the time frame to register from the previous week, does the spot go to the person who finished in X+1 place.

Maybe I should go to the USDGC website to straighten this out, huh?

5 Monday spots, no more, no less.

www.usdgc.com (http://www.usdgc.com)

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anybody else having a problem getting to the website?

www.usdgc.com (http://www.usdgc.com)

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anybody else having a problem getting to the website?

Nope, no problems here.

In fact, what I have is exactly the opposite of a problem, 4 Days of live internet broadcast coverage! Nice work USDGC.

I was just asked Monday night if there would be coverage, and I said no. I'm glad to say I was wrong!

I thought Harold had stopped the practice of qualifying multiple times? I don't think this should be permitted for the same reason that Stack mentioned. 2 people getting the shaft.

A professional would have their money in on time.

c'mon DGC people. you guys are killing me. when is the caddy book being released? i'd like to know what my assailant looks like.

so what you throwing these days Dixon? Destroyers, Bosses, Orcs, Wraiths, Tee Birds, Firebirds (Monarchs for rollers) Rocs and Supersoft Omegas OH MY :)

Dixon,

If you would, please address your questions about the USDGC directly to them. I can't speak for others, but it is a little disheartening for me to read about questions that qualifiers have about the USDGC that cannot be addressed by Discussion readers in general (like, when is the caddy book going to be ready), when I know that I will never have questions like that because I will never qualify, no matter how much I would like to play in the event.

But, questions like, where are you staying? or other questions that others here with experience can reply to, feel free. Of course, I am not trying to impinge on what you can post here, just stating my thoughts, which are worth exactly what you paid to read them.

boobs, not much different. boss for D, wraith for roller, max and x-cal for D if there is wind and lots of different rocs for everything inbetween. here is a video addressing this exact thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-D3_kmvmk

bill, sorry. i had no intention of offending. i thought this was the most appropriate place in that this is the only thread speaking about this tourney and also the first question of the thread was asking basically the same question.

Hey guys just wondering if any locals have any room for me to crash at their place for USDGC. I've ignored asking cuz I just assumed I can't go cuz of money, but I'm gonna try and make this happen since I've already paid for my entry back in March and I really want to go. I just need a place to stay and if I can carpool that'd be awesome too. If not I'll figure something out. Anyways if anyone can help me out let me know by PM or email. Thanks!

Blazek

[email protected]

Jonas... the 'fix' they did a couple years back was they made it so if someone qualified at a tourney earlier in the year and either turned it down or didn't get their money in they couldn't take a spot from a later qualifier but still allowed them to poach the Monday spots.

dixon, the caddy book is online at the usdgc site

good call... caddy book is still available from last year and there aren't many changes year to year. was out there today and there are a couple holes that are different (4, 10) but mostly appears the same.

sure, most of it will be the same. however, the TD's are notorious for making small but significant changes each year. that is the info that i am curious about.

I thought Harold had stopped the practice of qualifying multiple times? I don't think this should be permitted for the same reason that Stack mentioned. 2 people getting the shaft.

A professional would have their money in on time.

Hey Jonas,

I hope everything is well in Charleston. Like most judgment calls, the issue of who is eligible for Monday Qualifying has multiple valid perspectives. "Getting in" is one valid perspective. From this perspective, it is unfair that someone won't get in because another person failed to register on time.

I believe that "earning it" is another valid perspective. From this perspective, the spots belong to the five highest finishers on Monday. No one can take someone else's spot. Will, if he succeeds, will have earned the chance to compete. The "displaced" player will not have earned the spot. Just as everyone had a chance to qualify at the Regional Qualifiers, everyone has a chance to earn a spot at the Monday Qualifier. This reasoning is not to refute your valid perspective; rather, it is to articulate the reasoning that underlies what I believe is another valid, but different, perspective.

Take care,
Harold

My apologies to all the folks looking for the on-line version of the 2009 Caddy Book. The responsibility rests with me. Matt has been ready to go, but I have been tardy in finalizing the course details. Hopefully, the 2009 Caddy Book will be ready this week.

Andrew is right to point out that most of the course remains the same as last year. Hole #4 and Hole #10, however, will play differently.

Again, I apologize for the delay.

Take care,
Harold

harold, thanks for posting. but you are letting me smell the cookies without tasting one. can you divulge any info about how 4 and 10 will play different?

mmmm cookies

harold, thanks for posting. but you are letting me smell the cookies without tasting one. can you divulge any info about how 4 and 10 will play different?

#4 uses the same tee and the same green. The mandatory left has been moved from the tree by the tee to the big oak tree short and left of the green. The inside "lake" has been eliminated. So instead of going up an over the Leland Cypresses, the play is through the mouth of the green after playing one of the two fairways - left to right out wide or straight up the tunnel. Hopefully the revised #4 will produce a nice variety of scores without some of the delays and strange results that have happened as a result of the Lelands becoming taller and taller.

#10 has been redesigned as an eagleable par 4. The split fairway has been eliminated and replaced by a single fairway that is essentially the mirror image of #9. The target is about 60 feet closer. Bold players can try to drive the green and putt for Eagle or an easy birdie. Or players can go up the left side, but the left side is narrower this year. Compared to last year, the aggressive play is easier and the "safe" birdie more elusive.

Hopefully Matt's pictures will be better than all of my words.

Take care,
Harold

#4 uses the same tee and the same green. The mandatory left has been moved from the tree by the tee to the big oak tree short and left of the green. The inside "lake" has been eliminated. So instead of going up an over the Leland Cypresses, the play is through the mouth of the green after playing one of the two fairways - left to right out wide or straight up the tunnel. Hopefully the revised #4 will produce a nice variety of scores without some of the delays and strange results that have happened as a result of the Lelands becoming taller and taller.

#10 has been redesigned as an eagleable par 4. The split fairway has been eliminated and replaced by a single fairway that is essentially the mirror image of #9. The target is about 60 feet closer. Bold players can try to drive the green and putt for Eagle or an easy birdie. Or players can go up the left side, but the left side is narrower this year. Compared to last year, the aggressive play is easier and the "safe" birdie more elusive.

Hopefully Matt's pictures will be better than all of my words.

Take care,
Harold

thanks Harold... i think it will be interesting to see how these changes play out (as always).

4- i think will help with the speed of play and backups but I think it won't help with the scoring spread. Haven't looked @ past years but I would imagine this hole has a pretty good spread normally and with these changes would think there will be a lot of 4s with very few 3s and 5s (looking at the top 1/2 of the field). also with the new mando I can see potential arguments for the now rare overhand/spike shots that someone might throw over the tree... its a HUGE tree and would be difficult to determine where the mando invisibly extends to into the sky. I know the overhand shot is now not ideal with the changes but could see the need for it depending on where the drive lands. As far as the backup I think 4 will flow a lot easier now but will probably make the backup on 5 a little worse. Is there talk about having a 'free putting zone' again this year?

10- I didnt have a chance to throw it yet but I would think the risk reward was taken away as compared to last year. the landing zone for those that go for it seems tiny in comparison to last year. seemed like a lot of top players took the 'safe' drive straight out then threw across and i would think more would do it this year. Again another hole without much of a scoring spread. unless more players somehow decide to go for it off the drive. of course the scoring spread will always be varied on this hole though w/ the BUNCR rule since people won't advance with drives that dont land within the ropes.

as far as the caddy book... you guys are amazing every year to get it out before the tourney and as early as you do! no many tourney's have caddy books... let alone for free and online and out well in advance of the tourney. just another thing that makes USDGC awesome!

Hey Andrew,

Thanks for addressing an issue on #4 that I forgot to mention. Part of the mandatory rule on #4 will indicate that the disc needs to pass below the top of the tree. We are working on the specific verbiage.

Take care,
Harold

thank you very much harold. ahhhhhhh, information.

Hopefully Matt's pictures will be better than all of my words.

Take care,
Harold

Where you at Peckham?!!! I can't wait!

Dear USDGC Competitor,

As you plan your trip to the Championship, I wanted to make you aware of the practice policy during Monday Qualifying. Generally, there will be very limited opportunities to practice on Monday. Priority on Monday is for those attempting to qualify. Monday Qualifying, in many ways, is as intense and competitive as it gets. Some players will be traveling thousands of miles for a chance to earn a spot in the field. We want to make every effort to ensure that those trying to qualify on Monday can focus on their rounds.

At the same time, we recognize how important practice on the Gold Course is for the USDGC competitors. To increase practice opportunities, we had previously worked with the Charlotte Disc Golf Club on the schedule for the US Doubles Championship. Unlike last year, the Gold Course is available for practice the entire weekend before the Championship on Saturday and Sunday, October 3rd and 4th.

On Monday, October 5th, players who wish to practice may start ahead of the first group. After 8:00 a.m, those who wish to practice are requested to check in at hole #1. There may be a few opportunities to work some players in. Players should not hop on to the middle of the course even if a hole appears open.

We are already planning changes to improve practice opportunities for 2010. For 2009, please show your true professionalism to the Monday Qualifiers. As always, feel free to write back if you have any questions or concerns. I look forward to seeing you soon.

Take care,
Harold

As harold just stated you may go off before 8:00 a.m. & in past years i have been able to work groups in between qualifiers. I don't feel it will be a large issue.Just be aware that qualifiers will have precedence & show them the same consideration you would expect in an intense tournament situation.Realize that when i do work you in it will be in no more than 4 to group & if a qualifying group comes up from behind allow them to play thru.Good luck to everyone attempting to qualify & I look forward to seeing everyone in a few weeks.
Bill Jacobson aka burro
p.s. you may also play at your leisure after last qualifying group has gone off

Hey Bill, what time does the last group of qualifiers usually tee off? I was thinking in years past that after 3 or 4 it's usually pretty clear.

Hey Harold,

Any thoughts to ever having 10 spots available for Monday's qualifier? I know of several people who won't travel down there to try and qualify because it's too expensive (travel) and the odds of them qualifying are too difficult with all the high level talented players trying to qualify. However, if there were 10 spots I think you would generate an exponential amount of money because now you have opened the door to a greater number of people thinking it's worth the trip because they stand a chance of qualifying. With up 3+ times the number of people trying to qualify (mulitiple times) more money is being put into the qualifying kitty. Not too mention, you build up peoples hope throughout the season that Monday's qualifying round really is a possibility and worth going down for. And those people that don't qualify are likely going to stay there for the week and now you have a greater $pectator base. Thoughts?

Personally, I think the 5 spots that went to the DGLO last minute would have been a good trial run for this.

Cheers,
Motley

10 spots! I wish. Doubtful Harold will
go for this. The mysterious five is the way
it's always been.

Hey Bryan,

An increase in the number of Monday Qualifying spots has merit as you nicely articulated. We strongly considered reallocating the upper midwest regional spots to Monday or the worlds, but ultimately, we felt that the regional qualifier spots should remain in the region.

One of the challenges that we constantly struggle with is field size. The least enjoyable aspect of the Championship is the increasing frequency of saying "no" to deserving folks. We will continue to try to improve the field selection process within this increasingly challenging constraint. We'll throw 10 Monday spots in the hopper with the other good suggestions.

Take care,
Harold

Harold - Thank-you for the timely and open-minded response. Very professional and much appreciated!

I'll see you on 'The' Monday and hopefully Tuesday, Wednesday and all the way through to Saturday :)

last group of qualifiers will be @ 3:00 p.m. sharp!

here's the new #4 and it reads... Mando left of large oak tree
drop zone marked in fairway. In addition to passing the correct side of the mando, the disc must clearly pass below some portion of the tree. Discs that fly over the top of the tree will be considered to have missed the mando.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/aswistak/usdgc_2009_4.jpg

Hole 10 (buncr rules)
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/aswistak/usdgc_2009_10.jpg

Is there any OB on #4?

Wow, from the looks of that #10 has changed significantly. I'll be anxious to see how well people score. I'd bet there won't be many people going for the green off the teepad, It looks like 2 layups and an easy birdie. The risk/reward from last year has been eliminated. Just my opinion.

theres gold rope isnt there ;) it just appears there is a lot less OB w/ the mando change.

it says 'streets and beyond are OB, roped area on the left is OB & fenced maintenance area is OB

How wide is the fairway on 10? Looks pretty narrow from the pic.

TK

quite a bit tighter from what i remember of last year and if you compare this to last years caddy book it looks like a pretty big difference

Wow, from the looks of that #10 has changed significantly. I'll be anxious to see how well people score. I'd bet there won't be many people going for the green off the teepad, It looks like 2 layups and an easy birdie. The risk/reward from last year has been eliminated. Just my opinion.

you are right... if the picture is to scale, the green looks pretty small for a 474 foot shot, I thought the tempation was supposed to be there to go for it?

is there an open line to try and get over to the back left part of the fairway off the tee? looks to be around 420 or so to get over there, dont guess that is much of a temptation as you would still have an upshot and putt for 3.

seems to me like this is less of an eagle attempt and going to be a tougher par, but i cant tell how wide those fairways are...

regardless it looks like fun!

4 will be interesting as now the landing area is different for the drives. I'm disappointed they took away the spike over the top. It's one shot that I think about often. But people just punching through the Lelands was annoying and this will put an end to that. The new options off the tee may be more interesting than the spike. Rollers and big anhyzers will be tested!

It seems every year Harold wants hole 10 to be an eagleable par 4, and every year everyone plays for bird! Simply making it a BUNC'r will not entice many players to go for the green. I think this will play the same as previous years even thought the drives will be closer to the trees, now the basket is 60ft closer...it's a wash basically.

I am interested to know which holes will be Bunc'rd :)

RE: Hole 10

It looks like the fairway is going to play really narrow off the tee.

Stack, how wide is that fairway? How hard is the tee shot? Also, did they actually move the brick pedestal?

Also the distance says 554'.

Harold,

You have a Private Message.

Based on what Harold said a while ago, all holes that used buncrs last year will use them again with only the shape changing on hole 10.

RE: Hole 10

It looks like the fairway is going to play really narrow off the tee.

Stack, how wide is that fairway? How hard is the tee shot? Also, did they actually move the brick pedestal?

Also the distance says 554'.


Hey Daemon,

We moved the brick pedestal. It is about 60 feet closer. The 554' distance for 2009 is not straight ahead; rather it assumes a shot to the left side fairway and then another shot to the target. Last year's distance of 563' made the same type of assumption.

Take care,
Harold

Harold,

You have a Private Message.

Hey Brett,

Can you please send me an e-mail to [email protected] ?

Thanks,
Harold

Based on what Harold said a while ago, all holes that used buncrs last year will use them again with only the shape changing on hole 10.

Buncr are 10, 13, 14, 17

Who's hot this year who will win?

My predictions: if he can keep his head together, then Nikko. If not, then Barry.

Buncr are 10, 13, 14, 17


The Buncr is BS.

with buncrs the biggest complaints are going to prob. come from 10 and 13 or 888 with such narrow fairways there will be a lot of re-throws when normally the person would at least advance down the fairway some. on 14 and 17 I see it helping people be a little more aggressive without taking the extra OB strokes. if memory serves me correctly all of these holes were buncr last year as well though.

speaking of 10... Harold (if you see this) are you making the green bigger than what is currently roped off? Looked like there were flags out that might make it a little more enticing to try to go for it off the drive but not sure if people will or not in the actual tourney. I was able to get across and land in a couple times but that was for 'fun' :)

overall impressions compared to last year (keeping in mind ropes don't usually seem set until wed or thurs before US Doubles).
1-same
2-same
3-ropes not quite as tight in front of the basket but pretty much the same. When you stood on the teepad last year the ropes visually ran between you and the basket making OB appear just in front of the basket before it straightened out to turn towards the teepad. The caddybook still reflects what i'm talking about... if you draw a line from the teepad to the basket the ropes used to go in front.
4-very different but has been talked about
5-same
6-same
7-same
8-same
9-same w/ new concrete/brick pedestal
10-changes have been talked about
11-same
12-same
13-same
14-same
15-ropes a little tighter along the inside turn on the left... for those that dwelled inside this turn last year they might remember you could be inside the trees at the turn and still be inbounds by ~15' depending on where you were at (ob hugged the next set of trees). Now its just on the other side of the first set of trees when you go off the fairway. I think the caddy book shows how it was more last year as well.
16-same
17-appears to be shaped the same but bales/rope aren't up yet on this one
18-same (still tight along right side like last year)
There are always slight deviations in the ropes and those that have a better memory might see other slight differences... these are just the ones that stuck out to me.

I'm going to guess the SSA should be a half a stroke harder compared to previous years but who knows with wind/weather being a big factor on the course.

How large is the landing area around the bucket on hole 10?

TK

I'd estimate about .05 hectare +/- 0.005 if that helps. ;)

Thanks, Harold!

Thanks, Stack!

I can't wait.

How large is the landing area around the bucket on hole 10?

TK

was tiny considering how far out you are throwing from with the wind that is usually on that hole. I didnt pace it out but it is a bit smaller than last year. will be a null point though if they move the ropes to where the flags are (Harold uses flags before putting out ropes to design/shape things)

I'm sorry but hole 4 does not look like a good hole. I would have left it alone.

Please refresh my memory - what are the consequences of landing in a buncr?

Please refresh my memory - what are the consequences of landing in a buncr?

Distance penalty = re-throw, no stroke.

Rethrow from your previos lie without any penalty (except you do count the throw into the buncr)

I'm sorry but hole 4 does not look like a good hole. I would have left it alone.

#4 uses the same tee and the same green. The mandatory left has been moved from the tree by the tee to the big oak tree short and left of the green. The inside "lake" has been eliminated. So instead of going up an over the Leland Cypresses, the play is through the mouth of the green after playing one of the two fairways - left to right out wide or straight up the tunnel. Hopefully the revised #4 will produce a nice variety of scores without some of the delays and strange results that have happened as a result of the Lelands becoming taller and taller.

As Harold indicates, the hole cannot remain the same because of the Lelands becoming ever taller.

I think people will like the play of the new hole, especially if players try to get aggressive with rollers. I'm willing to bet that a big RHBH roller shot could make the turn around the mando and curl around into the mouth of the green and for a possible look at eagle. :cool:

As Harold indicates, the hole cannot remain the same because of the Lelands becoming ever taller.

They aren't that tall. I cleared them by 50ft last year.


I think people will like the play of the new hole, especially if players try to get aggressive with rollers. I'm willing to bet that a big RHBH roller shot could make the turn around the mando and curl around into the mouth of the green and for a possible look at eagle. :cool:

I think it will play fine. If the tee shot(s) lines are clean (properly pruned), having multiple legit options will be sweet. I think we'll see another eagle on hole 4.

Here are some photos...thank grodney!
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/grodney/100_3936.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/grodney/100_3942.jpg

Will thier be a caddie book in the US Doubles players pack?

there's chatter about that over on the us dubs thread wyatt... don't want to muddy the waters here :)

about #4... will be really impressed if someone can rip a RHBH roller that will make it to the mando but I don't throw this shot enough to see if it could work. The window off the tee has a low ceiling and there is some high grass (might get cut?) between the first fairway and the hole. Regardless of the style of throw I definitely think the scoring spread is going to go way down on this one

I'm not sure the increasing height of the Leylands was Harold's top concern on hole 4 in comparison to the luck factor involved for those just throwing driectly at the Leylands and taking their chances on punching thru. The lack of skill involved as it became a version of "poke-n-hope" I believe was his bigger concern.

I'm not sure the increasing height of the Leylands was Harold's top concern on hole 4 in comparison to the luck factor involved for those just throwing driectly at the Leylands and taking their chances on punching thru. The lack of skill involved as it became a version of "poke-n-hope" I believe was his bigger concern.


This is by far the best reason for the change. :)

I'm excited to get on the course and figure out how to approach this hole.

there's chatter about that over on the us dubs thread wyatt... don't want to muddy the waters here :)

about #4... will be really impressed if someone can rip a RHBH roller that will make it to the mando but I don't throw this shot enough to see if it could work. The window off the tee has a low ceiling and there is some high grass (might get cut?) between the first fairway and the hole. Regardless of the style of throw I definitely think the scoring spread is going to go way down on this one

Thanks Stack, I found it after I made the post. See you this weekend.

5 days, 18 hours........

Haven't been since 2006....Tee times for the first day still done the same way? Do they read them outloud at the meeting Tuesday night?

Haven't been since 2006....Tee times for the first day still done the same way? Do they read them outloud at the meeting Tuesday night?

That's how they have been doing it the last few years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSC63Ixlx0

Thanks, that rocked and a sweet video tour of the course.

Are there going to be Monday Qualifying Live Scores?

Harold - Thank-you for the timely and open-minded response. Very professional and much appreciated!

I'll see you on 'The' Monday and hopefully Tuesday, Wednesday and all the way through to Saturday :)

Us lurkers also thank you for the replies and information...good luck Mots!
Looking forward to following the action all week online.

I just now looked at the national weather radar. The Monday Qualifier should be interesting! :D

weather is definitely sub par... rain and chilly from what I hear.

still lots of people have shown up so far and at least a few have gotten to hole 3 only to turn around and start over.

i believe they are working on getting scores online but i'll try to post what I hear/find on here for now.

anyone w/ guesses on what it will take to get in this year? i'm thinking a 65 or 66 could do it. (i believe it was a 64 last year to tie for the last spot and playoff)

Go Tom Kim!!!!!!

funny you should mention his name...

Tom Kim came to try and qualify this morning but was turned away and told his money is no good here.... thats because Mace decided to give Tom Kim the MaceMan (http://www.maceman.com/) sponsor spot... TOM KIM IS IN!!!

I'm sure the guys trying for the 5 spots are really happy for him as well ;)

No cards turned in yet.

WhoooooHoooooooooo .......thanks MaceMan! TK is in!

great news...hope i get to play with you this week tom....congrats!

Thanks for all the good info. so far this year stack.

as for monday Q - historically the last 3 years scores have been posted online on the USDGC web site. i am hoping the same will be true this year. love knowing what is up while at work chompin at the bit till wednesday when i get to head west to join n all the fun.

as for the rain it looks likw with any luck it will push out of there by lunch time which means some good chances for posting a good score. Sucks though that it will serioulsy limit the amount of chances people will have to get in. But might be good for the pro purse with many morning guys turning around earlier and mybe starting over more ofetn:-)

Stack if the weather holds like this i think you might be right 65 or 66 with it as wet as it will be out there. Have fun everyone and good luck to all the monday Q-fiers

Twitter post on the front page of USDGC.com confirms that scores should be posted as soon as some of the soggy hopefuls start filing in. Stack keep us posted man!!!

im @ work myself BigWave... trying to keep people in the loop as much as possible... i'm like you and hate missing the action but love seeing updates to feel like i'm in the loop.

traditionally Monday Qualifier is run by the Charlotte Disc Golf Club for USDGC so the scores were kept on Charlottedgc.com for years (until last year I think).

For this year they are sorting out where the scores will be hosted (our website, usdgc, published google doc, twitter, etc). I'm going to be helping remotely from work some but it will probably be Hack from Innova doing the local IT side... the first complete cards shouldn't be coming in until around 11:30 depending on how fast they play and when they started.

as far as my guess on the scores its not just the weather... i think the course plays a little tougher this year with some of the changes... we'll see though.

Congrats to Tom for getting the Maceman spot, he deserves it!

Wish I was there to cheer folks on, monday qualifying is a true test of nerves and skill trust me!

Good Luck to everyone gunning for those 5 spots! Stay dry and may the ropes be with you!

the weather will be the biggest factor of scores today. i don't think the half a stroke tweak here or there will make that big of a difference.

The twitter post says the scores will be posted on www.usdgc.com
so that is what i based my post on.

Here are some random thoughts. The course is definately playing tougher this year with the changes to 4 & 10. That combined with the weather and the fact they were mowing the grass on Saturday and Sunday will make for not only slick greens but slick fairways. Course should be playing at least 1 stroke tougher than last year.

Congrats to Tom Kim. For those that don't know, Tom has been a regular for Monday qualifying since the beginning. He always shoots a 68 or 67 early in the morning then decides to stay with that score, always getting knocked off the bubble by one of the last groups. He's paid his dues and now gets rewarded. Kudos to Brian Mace for giving him the spot. This sport would be so much better off if Maceman was still a big part of it. **** "bucket crabs".

In addition to Will Shusterick trying to qualify today, Greg Barsby is also there trying to get a spot. Lavone Wolfe is another trying to get in and he's been posting some good practice round scores the last few days.

Scores to get in today will be a 63,64,65 and a tie with 67 forcing a Monday playoff.

Phil Arthur, coming off an impressive win in Open Masters at the World Championships shot a 10 down 58 with 5 OB strokes in practice on Saturday.

and a tie with 67 forcing a Monday playoff.



How many 67's Rick? i think it might be a handful. will make tuesday morning pretty interesting.

hopefully some scores will start filtering in in the next hour or so

any locals on here? is it still raining in the queen city?

Still spitting a bit. Getting better for sure.

ya'll are killing me with this, soooo wish i was there to watch. Looking forward to coming and hanging out this weekend. Anyone know where the player party is going to be this year?

Awesome for Tom Kim!

I saw him Saturday and he said that the qualifying for him was the most fun day of the year and he actually enjoyed that part more than actually playing the tournament.

Ha, I wonder what he would say right now!

Justin Jernigan is sitting on hole 1 looking at the list...

There have been 32 people who have tried to Qualify.

only score in so far ... John Simpson 85

they should be on the main USDGC page soon (look to the left side)

Not sure what the score will be, but look out for Jason Makarovich. I guarantee he will be one of the qualifiers. ATL Georgia represent baby.

5 scores in... 70 is hot so far

Looking for this years Spectator Roc's. PM ime please.

On usdgc.com, look at top left for the HOT qualifying scores so far.

Scores In
Will Schusterick 65
Dutch Napier 69
Josh Crowl 70
Bryan Motley 72
Drew Patton 73

65 in the drizzle is fo shizzle

New low Monday Qualifying rounds: Will Schusterick with a 65. Dutch Napier 69 - Josh Crowl 70 - Bryan Motley 72 - Drew Patton 73
5 minutes ago from Tweetie

by the end of the day nothing in the 70's will see a Wed tee time.

I can't wait to get up there. Leaving ATL at 8am Tuesday.

Randgolf

Rand, I didn't realize you were playing. Atlanta will be in full force this year. Phil Arthur, Brad Hammock, Matt Dollar, Tim Ellis, and Kevin McCoy, who else? Hopefully Vach will post a score good enough to qualify.

top 5 right now... Shuesterick (sp?)65 , Zach Newhouse & Henry Childres (Charlotte guys) both @ 67, Dutch Napier 69, Josh Crowl 70

Has Barsby psoted a score yet?

not yet... still out there (not sure where @)

no offense to those out but don't see any 'big' names out there but I do see some of the usually hot round monday qualifier guys... bledsoe, bryk...

Zach and Henri Make A USDGC?

Any international names on the board? What about Jason Makarovich? Shue is sittin pretty good in the club house with a 65.

Richard, Im in. I saw that you played doubles did you stick around for qualifiers?

Tim Barr just came in w/ a 68 to knock the 70 out

couple locals ready to tee off... Howie, RKelly and Chris Brown

would love to see Zack and Henry get in. I am hoping they make one more attempt with a little dryer weather. 67 is going to be close.

Barsby is a pretty big name. i think he will post a pretty hott score. he has been ballin this year.

i can't remember if last year they listed everyone who was playing on monday in the spreedsheet or just when they actually posted a score. i would love to see everyone that is trying to qualify and what they shot no matter if they are in the top 5 or not.

Love it either way though....championship week has begun!!!!!

Will and Wisco (newhouse) are both going back out... its an insurance/practice round for Will since his 65 should hold... rounding out their card is Dana Vivich (3rd attempt... restarted after 10 the first time and shot a 71 the next round)

couple locals ready to tee off... Howie, RKelly and Chris Brown

Same Chris Brown that may be moving to Richmond Va soon?

I see that Tim Barr made a good choice to skip the tourney in Charlottesville yesterday to go to Rock Hill and try to qualify.

Rand, I didn't realize you were playing. Atlanta will be in full force this year. Phil Arthur, Brad Hammock, Matt Dollar, Tim Ellis, who else? Hopefully Vach will post a score good enough to qualify.

7 in GA so far not counting anyone who gets in today.
Other 2 are Geoffrey "Toad" McReynolds (qualified at the ATL Open - also reason Rand is Qualified as the NT TD) and Pete May.

Good luch to Vach and any other GA competitors!

Keith
State coordinator - Georgia

same one Hysell... he's giving it a shot before he moves away from Crown town

report from the course... barsby is -2 after 13 or 14 (not sure) which could be close. not sure if he'll have time to sign up for another shot.

still same 5

wow 2 minutes till 3:00 p.m. so the last groups trying to get in should get to gettin. must be a lot of people out on the course.

Good luck Dana that kid can shoot way hotter than a 71. Also looks like the rain is out of the Hill so hopefully it will be realitvley dry for the guys playing now.

Stack. see if you can get a hold of the spreedsheet listing everyone that has tried to qualify today. c'mon sun you can do this,

Stack just wondering if you have heard anything about the better half of team father/son? He should be out there giving it a run as well.

report from the course... barsby is -2 after 13 or 14 (not sure) which could be close. not sure if he'll have time to sign up for another shot.

still same 5


at this late in the game it is all about hole 17. one of the best times i had at the championships was 2008 just chillin on hole 17 watchin the last hopefuls come thru. it will make or break your chance.

that particular year was a trip. Nikko comes thru somewhere close to 4 or 5 down and looking like he was going to get in then plunks 3 or 4 shots into the drink. then Hammock comes by 3 or 4 down and looking like he was going to get in and 17 crushes dreams. then McRee comes up smoothes a rock down there shoots a 63 or 64 (not sure which) and gets in the tournament. man the drama was thick that evening.

7 in GA so far not counting anyone who gets in today.
Other 2 are Geoffrey "Toad" McReynolds (qualified at the ATL Open - also reason Rand is Qualified as the NT TD) and Pete May.

Good luch to Vach and any other GA competitors!

Keith
State coordinator - Georgia


Make that 8. We both forgot Team Georgia member, Kevin McCoy. You should be ashamed of yourself Keith. BTW, I met your friend Jeff from Vegas, he say's HI.

barsby on 17 now... just dueced... believe he should def. be in!

new top 5... John Murphy comes in with 67 to make 68 the cut

monty... Dennis, Ant and Sam just headed back out. (teeing on 2)

monty... Dennis, Ant and Sam just headed back out. (teeing on 2)

thanks Stack.

unofficial barsby just shot 63!!!

Make that 8. We both forgot Team Georgia member, Kevin McCoy. You should be ashamed of yourself Keith. BTW, I met your friend Jeff from Vegas, he say's HI.

Totally went right by his name when scouring the list of GA players - I'll just tell him it's payback for the Augusta Classic ;)

It's Georgia's Team by the way - with 3 of the 8 GA players being a part of it (Dollar & Ellis being the other 2)

Please tell Jeff to play well and I'll see him in 3 weeks in VEGAS BABY!!

Stack,
any idea of notables that are still out there trying to get in?

what i have is
Schu - Tryin to improve on 65
Wisco. - tryin to improve on 67
Dana V. - tryin to improve on 71

Howie out there who else? gota be some more big name trying to post a score.

new top 5... John Murphy comes in with 67 to make 68 the cut

Yea Johnny Murphy, PA holding it down!

no other ones BWD... and barsby is official making it
67 tied for 3-5th...

still predict another 67 or hotter score to force a playoff

Thanks Stack. if things finish like this or like you said another 67 posted for a playoff. then Rick Black is a Geniuess!! Stack do you know if Phil Arthur and Lavon Wolfe are done with thier rounds or still out on the course trying to make it happen?

Lavon is back out... don't believe Phil Arthur ever showed

there are some other great potentials in larry bledsoe, jeff bryk, dana vicich

Phil is registered.

The bubble is getting thinner!

Phil qualified by winning pro masters at Worlds this year.

I just mentioned his name earlier because he's been playing lights out since the Hall of Fame Classic and should be a contender this year.

Thanks Rick and stack. Lavonn is a class act. i would love to see that guy get in!!!

Larry Bledsoe could post a score as well. i like when TD's get to play in the big events. they deserve it. gettin down to the nitty gritty for sure. USDGC has not updated for a minute so i am sure scores will be current soon. Wisco and Henry might get in. would be saweeet for home town kids!!

update... Levon is in via a sponsor spot

63
65
and a tie for 67

now I just need someone to post a 64 and I'll start buying lottery tickets.

If you go back a few pages I actually made the same prediction about 2 weeks ago when there was a seperate thread for Monday qualifying.

And big congrats to Lavone. One of the classiest guys out there in our sport.

bledsoe and napier's card is in... both barely missed and bailed around 17/18

So......who are the 5?

right now 67 is getting in the tournament.

Greg Barsby - 63
Will Schustric - 65
Zac Newhouse - 67
Henry Childress - 67
John Murphey - 67

the last few groups have to be gettin close to finishing. so it is almost in the books. one more score of 67 or lower and we got a tuesday morning playoff.

Come on playoff!!! I loved the updates from the playoff last year. Great entertainment. Any idea how many cards are still out there and who's on them? With a 3:00 last tee, they should be throwing towards the pine straw(AKA round killer) as we speak.

Dave,

Are all the scores of Monday qualifiers posted somewhere as in years past? All i can find is the twitter stuff which is tying up my processor BTW. It is interesting to see who is out there giving it their best and how they did even if they do not have one of the hot rounds. Not to miss giving all the dots and rodots etc all the credit they are due for a fantastic job

most are in but some potential good rounds should be on 16/17 soon... have heard a few -2 are teeing @ 17 and Conner Thompson is -3 behind them

should force a playoff and they're trying to run it tonight if everyone gets in quick enough

Dave,

Are all the scores of Monday qualifiers posted somewhere as in years past?

I have asked the same thing Dave. I have not found out anything so far though. Maybe the info will get posted after the fact. once everyone is in and the qulifing is done. I totally agree with your last point as well. great job again to the staff

Oh Swizzle! Another 65 came in from David Tucker less than a minute ago (http://twitter.com/usdgclive/status/4639874248) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/)
That means we have a play-off for the last 2 spots! Zach Newhouse, Henry Childres, John Murphy and Chris Eads all shot 67 half a minute ago (http://twitter.com/usdgclive/status/4639882132) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/)

Go Wisco and Henry!

Holy cow the port city has arrived. D-Tuck is the second wilmingtonian to make it into the big dance. wilmington's prodigal sun Jimi Cutters got in in 2006 and then into the tie break play off in 2007 but d-tuck is now carrying the flame. congrats David that is the BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!! kaboooooooooom kid can thorw like 700 feet:-)

I pullin' for Millhouse!

last 2 spots to john murphy and henry... only took 2 holes of the playoff to settle things. they both 2'd 17 to qualify!

Congrats to all of the qualifiers!!! Sorry to those that were on the bubble.

No Tuesday morning? wow. congrats to the qualifiers ans sorry wisco. you will make it next year 4 sure.

I agree with the statement before. I would love to see a spreadsheet with all other qualifiers and there scores. It's always interesting to know how much revenue is generated the day before the tournament.

big congrats for my little brother.
day before his birthday. got his present a little early.
917 rated.....#44 NHDGC bag tag.......65 at winthrop gold on monday.....priceless.
boom...

wow... 917 rated?! thats crazy! he probably shot 100+ over his rating to qualify then and might be the lowest rated player to qualify by playing into the tourney.

great birthday present indeed but shooting a 65 he def. earned it!

Just in case anyone cares Cam Todd aced hole 14 with a skip off the sidewalk during a practice round. Fist ace I've on Winthrop Gold I've heard of this week.

Big congratulations to Connor Thompson! (Yes, I'm his mom. Biased but proud!)

He didn't make the cut, but how close he came.

On his last attempt, lying 60 at 17, knowing that 67 was the cut ... 17 is a widowmaker, what a Heartbreak Hill ... ah well, Connor, it was a great effort. Next year in Rock Hill!!

Awesome D-Tuck way to rep.the Port City.BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

Awesome D-Tuck, what a delicious round of golf.

Do the qualifiers usually play together first round or will they be grouped randomly?

Tom Kim came to try and qualify this morning but was turned away and told his money is no good here.... thats because Mace decided to give Tom Kim the MaceMan (http://www.maceman.com/) sponsor spot... TOM KIM IS IN!!!

FYI....this plan has been in place for almost a year! Mace awarded me his sponsor exemption spot for '07 and '08, but during last year's tournament he shared with me his plan to surprise Tom during the '09 Monday Qualifier. Of course, the plan would only work if 1) Tom did not earn a spot in a regional qualifier and 2) if Tom was going to attempt to qualify for the '09 Championship. It's been a difficult year to keep it a secret, but alas, the cat is out of the bag!

Best of luck, TK!

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Tom Kim on Winthrop Gold hole 5 during his 2008 Sunday Spectator round;
Winthrop University, Rock Hill, SC

FYI....this plan has been in place for almost a year! Mace awarded me his sponsor exemption spot for '07 and '08, but during last year's tournament he shared with me his plan to surprise Tom during the '09 Monday Qualifier. Of course, the plan would only work if 1) Tom did not earn a spot in a regional qualifier and 2) if Tom was going to attempt to qualify for the '09 Championship. It's been a difficult year to keep it a secret, but alas, the cat is out of the bag!

Best of luck, TK!

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Tom Kim on Winthrop Gold hole 5 during his 2008 Sunday Spectator round;
Winthrop University, Rock Hill, SC



Thats good stuff!

That is awesome!!! Nice move Mace, and way to keep it a secret Jerry. Couldn't have given the spot to a nicer guy. Kick some butt Dub!!

Awesome D-Tuck, what a delicious round of golf.

Do the qualifiers usually play together first round or will they be grouped randomly?
Usually grouped randomly.

Yeah!!!!! D-Tuck nice shootin, Ill holla at you and Dr-Tuck in a few hours when DP and I get there.

Happy B-day, D-Tuck. Boooooooooommmm!!!!!!

Just in case anyone cares Cam Todd aced hole 14 with a skip off the sidewalk during a practice round. Fist ace I've on Winthrop Gold I've heard of this week.

Justin Atwater-Taylor aced 16 on Sunday as well.

I noticed several of the competitors qualified as state rep for a state they don't reside in. Does anyone know how this is decided? I'm guessing it's a state by state policy. I'd love to play this event someday, but haven't had the results needed so far.

that does not sound right.. I am prety sure you would need to be from the state you represent. RIGHT Harold??

i'm pretty sure that is entirely up to the individual state coordinators. what is really "from a state" anyway? do you have to currently reside there? if you are a local but from shortly across the border are you ineligible? would someone who is from DC (no courses) who plays a lot in MD not be eligible for the MD spot?

not awarding the spot to someone from the home state might be very damaging the SC's reelection bid unless there was very good reason.

I noticed several of the competitors qualified as state rep for a state they don't reside in. Does anyone know how this is decided? I'm guessing it's a state by state policy. I'd love to play this event someday, but haven't had the results needed so far.


I am sure Harold will know better than i but jsut to throw what i know out there i think you are right it is pretty much up to the state coordinator to decide how the spot is awarded. some do it as a reward to people in the state that promote the sport and some use compitition to decide.

i know our state awards it through our Yearley NC points race. basically all Advanced and Open fields accumulate points assigned by how they finish score wise throughout the year playing events around the state that are in the points chase. Then the leading points getter that is not already qualified gets the state rep. spot. so conceivably someone from out side of the state if he where to commit to playing enough N.C. events could get our state rep. spot.

disclaimer: this is meere hearsay based on a spotty memory and could be subject to gross errors on my part:-)

totally correct Dave... our state spot and others are up for grabs to whoever gets them... some states its a tourney, some its a points series, and some may just pick the person that will be able to make it to the tourney. Other states (South Carolina is one of them) decide it based on a tourney (open to any) but only the SC residents are eligible.

i'm pretty sure that is entirely up to the individual state coordinators. what is really "from a state" anyway? do you have to currently reside there? if you are a local but from shortly across the border are you ineligible? would someone who is from DC (no courses) who plays a lot in MD not be eligible for the MD spot?

not awarding the spot to someone from the home state might be very damaging the SC's reelection bid unless there was very good reason.

state reps are at the discretion of the coordinator but we have been heartily encouraged to have them determined through competition of one sort or another.

DC residents have been determined to be eligible for either the VA or MD spot.

i disagree strongly with the idea of allowing players from other states to be your state rep but it is allowed.

SC re-election bids are usually more of a matter of being willing to continue doing it than of wanting to be re-elected.

John is correct. The determination is up to the state coordinator. We (USDGC) provide guidance in terms of competition and residency, but ultimately it is up to each coordinator. This reflects our belief that the individual states know best how to determine their representatives. The state coordinators that I correspond with seem to take this responsibility seriously.

Take care,
Harold

Fowl Pole at Winthrop during Monday qualifying. Many wet feathers were ruffled.
Maybe title "Winthrop weather gives disc golfers the bird"

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classic. where, or when, is/are the tee times?

I think they don't give those out until tonights mandatory players meeting.

being allowed to award the state spot to an out of state player seems like it could lead to shenanigans. probably at some point state spots and exemptions will go away. Not like they have those to the big ball golf events. usually only 1 am spot for a world am champ or whatever. Eventually all those spots will be needed for deserving players.

nice avatar

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probably at some point state spots and exemptions will go away. Not like they have those to the big ball golf events. usually only 1 am spot for a world am champ or whatever. Eventually all those spots will be needed for deserving players.

i disagree. and there are sponsor exemptions to bg events- how do you think michelle wie got to play in pga events? players qualified through a state process are just as deserving as anyone else.

... and that's the ugliest disc i have ever seen.

nice avatar

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Nice stamp!

thanks its a joel kelly chain reaction dye. he does great work..

I would like to be the first to congratulate John Murphy on being one of the Monday qualifiers (and being a disc golf rock star from his PDGA website treatment today!!) -- go go, go Johnny go!! I hope he beats Nate Krahn. (Go ahead -- find a course [Sedgley Woods --- philadelphia, PA] with 2 nicer guys playing in this tourney -- I dare you!!)

I would like to be the first to congratulate John Murphy on being one of the Monday qualifiers (and being a disc golf rock star from his PDGA website treatment today!!) -- go go, go Johnny go!! I hope he beats Nate Krahn. (Go ahead -- find a course [Sedgley Woods --- philadelphia, PA] with 2 nicer guys playing in this tourney -- I dare you!!)



Just watch out for the Gatorade coolers full of Bloody Mary's.


Busy day tomorrow. Got to school me an old man.

Anyone know why they switched up the putting final and players party to the last day and not friday night?..Seemed like it was ideal at the hotel location, imo, just curious.

In Rock Hill the day started warm and rainy but the rain is rapidly leaving the area now (a little after 8am) Players with early tee times might have an advantage today as it is supposed to be sunny and windy this afternoon.

Does anyone have a picture of the Spectator Roc's this year? I know they are usually not released until Saturday morning but was just wanting to see the art work if available.

A whole bunch of players since I have so many friends in the field!

Good luck to all the European players.
Also the younger generation...Oscar and Simon(we got a few more but I don't know them all by name).

And then ofcourse all our finest players from Team Innova...and a few from disraft Nate,Gregg the roadrats....lol

Jusk kidding guys.

Have fun and take it easy out there,

Tuur #3791

Where the heck is the live scoring, or are they not doing that this year.

live scoring would still be nice for those of us who don't want to have live stream video at work. luddites unite!

Is anyone else seeing this problem. The live feed keeps popping up a dialog box: "Multiiple users logged in with the same user ID. This session has been closed."
Fortunately the video feed keeps going until I click OK.

Yes, i would agree 100%. The live scoring link is not working, and streaming video at work is not the best idea.
Hopefully someone sees this post and gets the live scoring fixed.

Thanks!

OK, from Brian's post and the email i got, this coverage is supposed to be free. Why then do I need to enter a credit card number to register? Sorry I can't afford to risk my finances right now as things are tight. Good idea, but probably not the best implementation. Maybe i'm missing something here?