Since Dave can't create his own thread, I'll do it for him. Please note correct spelling this time and no crap.

Dave has his own thread..........................

http://discgolfer.ning.com/group/tulsadiscsportsassociationtdsa

Well then get off of mine. :)

This park has taken a change for the better!! It offers a good flow, nice lush grass, and some OB on lots of holes!!! Most holes have many shot selections, with some risk-reward shots. It is a good addition and I can't wait to play some mini's out there!! When will we get to see the long pins on all holes???

I got a call today asking if there was a mini at Centennial tonight. There isn't one on the schedule but I told them if they want to come out I will make one happen. So, in light of that

Tonight 6:30 tee Centennail park. 86th St n between 145th E Ave and 16st E Ave

I've heard that 86th & 169 backs up around that cloverleaf at rush hour. In your opinion, if someone were to come out at rush hour, say 5:15-5:45, would it be better to get off at 76th, drive east and then north 1 mile to hit 86th, or is it basically the same at both exits?

Other questions.

What is the entry? Is there a CTP and Ace pot? Is there any hole you think I actually have a shot at acing? How much for pull cart rental? Since beer is not allowed will there be free water or Gatoraid? What about free mullies? :)

I've heard that 86th & 169 backs up around that cloverleaf at rush hour. In your opinion, if someone were to come out at rush hour, say 5:15-5:45, would it be better to get off at 76th, drive east and then north 1 mile to hit 86th, or is it basically the same at both exits?

When I go to Centennial, I always take the 76th Street exit to 129th East Avenue, then head North to 86th (86th is always crowded and there are a few more intersections with traffic signals you will have to sit and bake at compared to 76th).

Don't go past 129th East Avenue or you will have to go North on 161st East Avenue and then back track 3/4 of a mile on 86th to the park entrance.

I've heard that 86th & 169 backs up around that cloverleaf at rush hour. In your opinion, if someone were to come out at rush hour, say 5:15-5:45, would it be better to get off at 76th, drive east and then north 1 mile to hit 86th, or is it basically the same at both exits?


If you can get to 76th, then you can get to 86th. But if you choose to get off at 76th, go east to 129th E Ave, turn left (north) and go to 86th St N, then turn right (east) and it is 1.5 miles to the course.

Other questions.

What is the entry? Is there a CTP and Ace pot? Is there any hole you think I actually have a shot at acing? How much for pull cart rental? Since beer is not allowed will there be free water or Gatoraid? What about free mullies? :)


I throw out a CTP and start the ace pot at $50. You can rent my pull cart for $50. Bring your own drinks. I will sell up to 2 mulligans for $1 each. All of mully money goes back into the course.

Pro entry $10
Am entry $5

Since you're asking if you can ace a hole, the answer is YES!
Example: Billy Swanson, aced hole 6 and collected $20 each from myself, Wilkes and Coda.:D

Since you're asking if you can ace a hole, the answer is YES!
Example: Billy Swanson, aced hole 6 and collected $20 each from myself, Wilkes and Coda.:D


That is the same basket you aced a while back when that was hole 3. Must be one lucky a** basket. :)

Here is the updated Centennial Park course profile at DGcourse review...I had the outdated pics deleted earlier today and I updated some of the picture descriptions as well...

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3029&mode=ci

Thanks Skinner! See that Dog? Already up on a web page.

Both Chandler DGCs are on DGcoursereview...

Steady Ed Headrick DGC:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=1102&mode=ci

Moose Run:

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=3253

Okay then................See that Dog? 18 baskets!:D

Actually I prefer Moose Run not to be in the review until it's actually complete with the parking lot, cement pads, and t-signs. With all the "pitch n' putt" & "poke and hope" I've been hearing though I really wish I would have invested in something else.

Right now I feel like a parent who's just hangin around until his kid is 18 so I can divorce his mother.

I was not the one who posted Moose Run at DGcoursereview...I only corrected hole distances for Centennial Park, updated course pics and contacted the webmaster to delete outdated pics.

I hardly ever get on DGcoursereview, but apparently a lot people use it when travelling to new locations...

"pitch n' putt" & "poke and hope"
Sounds like a good ***** house name!:p


Right now I feel like a parent who's just hangin around until his kid is 18 so I can divorce his mother. You don't have to wait till their 18, just pony up the child support.:eek:



Besides, you're mixing up the two courses. The original is pitch-n-putt and the new one is poke-n-hope.:D

Are we going to get some stinking Centennial mini results from last night or what? :(

Don't hink anyone played. Too hot. I had a problem at home and had to leave. I left Devan there to handle it.

Leaving Devan in charge is like you leaving Dan Bougher or me leaving Bud Johnson in charge.:eek:

No results.:(

You should have called me and I would have made up some results and called them into the newspaper. :)

Minis will begin next Monday 29th and every Monday in the month of July.

Tee off will be at approx 6:30pm

For this upcoming Monday, the course will be left in it's current layout. Then next month we will play it at least once in all longs and once in all shorts so that we can see the scoring differential.

Normal mini pricing and we will sell up to 2 mulligans $1 each.

With the tee time at 6:30 everyone should be able to get through the 5 o'clock traffic on 169.

Boo!!!.....Hiss!!!!! :eek:

How about posting the phone # for the steak sandwich place so I'll have some place to hang out for an hour and 1/2?

You get enough DG'ers stopping in there and they might turn out to be a big sponsor for you.:)

Steak to Go 272-1111

The sandwich of choice is the pepperjack steak philly.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm

http://static.twoday.net/anima/images/homer_simpson.jpg

Yep I have to admit,when it comes to nearby convenience, Owasso and Centennial is a ten compared to Chandler’s zero. There are so many clean quality food places and convience stores nearby and on the way to the course. There is a nice convenience store with in a � mile I believe that speaks English and has clean bathrooms if you don’t want to use the one in the park and the “Steak to Go” place rocks.

I may not know DG but I know food and convenience so take it from me. Come early, chow down, and mention that you’re a DG’er so these establishments and the city of Owasso can see the benefit of having a course in town.

See PDF file for listings for basket/pin distances and the current configuration of the baskets/pins as of 6/24/2009.

Where is the map? Knowing Dave, if I come out there on Monday, he is going to stick me out on the farthest hole away from the parking lot. :(

Where is the map?

Impatient? I'm working on it...I should have finished it days ago, but DG got in the way. I have played the last five days in a row...and right now, I am heading outside to practice putting...

Well FurDog, thanks to yours and Gary Nail's high opinion of Steak-to-Go, I went by and talked to the owner. He is on board! He used to golf at Haikey years ago. So, we will be giving away some FREE Steak sandwich coupons at all of the upcoming minis and any disc golfer will receive a discount on their order anytime they go in. You just need to mention that you need the disc golf discount.

They will also be feeding us at the first tournament we have out there. Not sure about when, looking at dates now.

I am also in the process of trying to set up a retailer for plastic here in town.

Steak 2 Go
13720 E 86th Street North
Owasso, Oklahoma 74055
(918) 272-1111

Well FurDog, thanks to yours and Gary Nail's high opinion of Steak-to-Go, I went by and talked to the owner. He is on board! He used to golf at Haikey years ago. So, we will be giving away some FREE Steak sandwich coupons at all of the upcoming minis and any disc golfer will receive a discount on their order anytime they go in. You just need to mention that you need the disc golf discount.

They will also be feeding us at the first tournament we have out there. Not sure about when, looking at dates now.

I am also in the process of trying to set up a retailer for plastic here in town.

thats legit man. well done

MINI TONIGHT 6:30 tee! sign ups begin at 6:00. Ace pot starts at $50. Extra CTP's.(Steak-to-Go)
Extra $20 for new course record, currenty at -10. I know Dev said he shot a -12 but he is the only one that saw it. So beat a -10 and grab an extra $20.

Exit at 86th St E and go 2.5 miles east.
86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave North side of the street. Sign ups at the pavillion.

You can either come in from 169 and exit at 86th E or you can exit at 76th and go 1 mile east then 1 mile north, then 1.5 miles east.

If you have questions or need other directions, call me at 232-8562.

Entry fees? Or is this first one free?

Normal entry fees.

$5 ams
$10 Pros

$1 CTP
$1 Ace Pot
$1 mulligan (limit 2)

I thought you said you would pay my entry at the first mini?:(

I thought you said you would pay my entry at the first mini?:(

...me too!

I said I would if you showed up, but since I know that won't happen I'm probably safe. I will cover Skinner's but I'm going to have to see some progress on the tee signs.:cool:

I said I would if you showed up, but since I know that won't happen I'm probably safe. I will cover Skinner's but I'm going to have to see some progress on the tee signs.:cool:

Dang it! Now I have to work...I will have the first draft of the OA map with me tonight...

That would be nice. If you can make a few copies for the players or email it to me, it would be great.

Why should I come up and wait until 6:30 when I can get there earlier, eat a steak sandwich, and save $7 by playing the course for free?

Sounds like a plan. One problem though...........................How is it that you can get to my mini by 5 and you can't get to your's by 6?:eek:

Because there is no Lil'Moose or liquor store on the way to your mini buddy and I don't have to pack up any TD supplies.:)

If I show up early and there is enough for a card can't we go ahead and start? I don't want to be in the park after dark when the KKK members start showing up.:(

That would be nice. If you can make a few copies for the players or email it to me, it would be great.

I will bring a few extra copies, this is only the first draft.

If there are enough for a card, I'll let them start. Don't worry about the KKK. They were forced to fold up here...........................no one to protest.:rolleyes:

I want to play novice. What do I get for my $4 payout if I'm the only one?:)

Are you going to call in the winners to the newspaper?

You won't be the only one. There are lots of new novice players out here, not just the old "I suck" novice division.

Will the course record count with 2 mulligans?

hadn't thought about that when I thre those in there. I'd like to say no but for tonight they will count towards it but if you set a new record, it will have to have an asteric beside it. I'm more interested in raising money for the course than I am in preserving a course record.

Makes sense. I was more conceded about the $ bonus versus the record that I can't believe is still intact

I'll have u pay my mulligans, ace, and ctp from Saturday and we can call it even

Anyone planning on being there before 6?

I'll have u pay my mulligans, ace, and ctp from Saturday and we can call it even


Done! but thats the last time you're going to get to tank a round just to win a $5 bet with me.:mad:

Anyone planning on being there before 6?

I talked to some guys just starting at 3:00 to go warm up.

All longs? ...or shorts?

Same layout as the last couple of weeks. I'll change it up begining next Monday.

1 - short
2 - long
3 - long
4 - long
5 - short
6 - short (Normal CTP)
7 - long
8 - short
9 - long
10 - long
11 - long
12 - short
13 - short
14 - long
15 - mid
16 - short
17 - long
18 - mid (Steak-to-Go CTP)

Looking forward to that Philly sandwich next week after the round. Great evening for some DG. Had a blast with Woody and the boys at Compadre's before the round. If I shoot that well with Margiritas in me next week it will have to be a trend !!! Thanks for the free ctp payout. Great job and course Dave.

Well it appears that Centennial help up against the 20 players that were there last night. THANKS to all that braved Hwy 169 and the commuter traffic to get there. It was a great evening for disc. Plently of shade on most holes and a light 5 mph wind. Every player had 2 mulligans and the course record still stands at -10. The $20 bounty I put up goes back in my pocket until next time. No aces last night but I did see Hinds hit the bucket on hole 5. Had no complaints last night except for a few snakes in the creek. Actually more than a few but all were harmless, does make you putt a little quicker if you're standing down there though.:)

Just a note, we did start on time, last night the last card went to their hole at 6:29 and all cards were done by 8:35.

Scores

Open
Sam Neilsen 46
Devan Owens 46
Kyle Wilkes 46
Bill Pennington 46
Dan Bougher 49
Justin Bougher 49
Chris Wagel 49
Scotty Wilkenson 49
Taylor Sears 49
Jeremy Taylor 55 (our hole 18 gave him some retribution for his hole 17):D

Advanced
Brian Hinds 46
JT Graham 48
Kevin Gable 53
Joel Woody 53
Matt Shipley 54
Duff 54
Chuck Middleton 57
Matt Folsom 57

Advanced Masters
George Skinner 58
Scott Schumacher 62 ( A huge thanks for coming out and stopping by our newest sponsor - Steak-2-Go)

Paid CTP
Sam Neilsen

Free CTP (Free Steak sandwich, champ groove and a score keeper)
Thanks to Steak-2-Go, Scotty Wilkinson and Dan Bougher)
Brian Hinds - winner

Also a thank you to George Skinner for getting the overall maps done.


Next mini July 6th 6:30pm tee
It will be in a different layout next mini.

Furdog’s Official Review for Newbies.

Steak-2-Go:

Tasted better when Twoputt paid for it but it was still good.
Stays open until 9:30 so you can pick one up after the round.
$11 for a Pepper Jack cheese steak sandwich, fries, and large iced tea so Goldies might be a cheaper option if you have the time.
Offering a side item other than fries might be better for people with heart conditions.
No DG discount for DG’er Furdog. :(
Air conditioning was flat.
If they are going to sponsor DG then maybe they could post a DG schedule.
Owner was friendly.

TD:
Had nice selection of plastic.
Put me on the last card at 6:29 and made me walk back to # 14 since all upper divisions were starting on # 1.
Could have offered a “buy two mullies get one free” incentive.
Did not promote the next event on Tuesday or get his results published in the paper.
Smiled a lot and offered sexual services for money.
Did not play and for the most part did a good job.

Course:
Two block walk to hole # 1 so make sure you’ve got everything you need from your car before you go.
Nice changing variety of holes and obstacles. OB cart paths require placement shots.
Some holes were a little confusing so bring someone that’s played there already.
# 18 is a nice finishing hole. I lost one there in the water but “going for it” was worth it.
Retrieval of bad shots in and across the creek less hassle when the creek is down.
Snakes.
No good place to do # 1 so make sure you go to the bathroom first. Look for some home owner’s video of Taylor Sears pee’ing by the creek on U-tube.
Occasional “eye candy”.
“Feel good” level?....It’s Owasso, you’re not supposed to feel good.

Newbie Return Value:
If you consistantly donate your money at other mini’s then you will continue to do that here. If you live in Owasso then this is the course for you and if you don’t live there then it’s still worth checking out from time to time for the different pin locations. I believe for a newbie or occasional player, shooting a par 54-56 would be a very good score on the current layout. I would be willing to return from time to time for an “all long” position mini as well as an “all short” position mini just to see the difference in scores. I could have done better than 62 if I had been a little more conservative on some holes and just putted better on others. Most holes were not that tough if you just try to play par golf but some holes will have you thinking like the little train that could so bring a few discs that you are willing to lose just in case your greed takes over.

Trying to post the hole score break downs but it won't allow that many characters.

So I'll just do it this way. (S Short) (L long) (M Mid)

S 1 - 2.75
L 2 - 2.75
L 3 - 3
L 4 - 2.65
S 5 - 2.3
S 6 - 2.6
L 7 - 2.8
S 8 - 2.5
L 9 - 3.4
Front 24.75

L 10 - 3.2
L 11 - 2.7
S 12 - 2.8
S 13 - 2.75
L 14 - 3
M 15 - 3.05
S 16 - 2.55
L 17 - 3.25
M 18 - 3.2
Back 26.5

Total average score 51.25

Thanks Dog, a very fair assessment. Yes, I forgot to promote the Tuesday mini but everyone there knows about it. Sorry you didn't get a discount, I'll talk to them about it. Maybe next time, I'll sell two mulliies for half price. I just thought that with most taking their first look at the course that they could use them. On top of that, all of the money goes right back into the course. I talked to the City this morning and benches will be forthcoming and trash cans.

We will be having a PDGA sanctioned tournament this fall. so look forward to that. It will be a one day C tier.

Thanks again for coming out last night. I appreciate it.

Well in all fairness I really didn't ask for the discount. The guy at the counter was not the owner and I wasn't sure if he would be aware of it so I didn't press it even though I did have a big colorfull DG shirt on. He could have gave me a little more ice in my ice tea also. The owner was nice though and offered a free refill before I left.

I'm not sure if eating before the tourney in hot whether is such a good idea though. Last night was the first mini I've played in a couple of months and believe it or not I played it alchohal free but the sandwich and the heat still drained on me. The water I brought was warm before I even started playing. Playing out there in the fall should be nice.

Like I said, there were a lot of holes I really liked. The one crossing the creek by the barn to the backside of the course and the one after that with the creek on the right and the basket tucked into the tree line was a narley hole. I liked those holes to the point that when and open field hole came around I was like "What?...No obsticals?"

I still think that we should do a "Spy vs Spy" bag tag next year. Chandler is covered so take some of the money and put it into your course and as long as I'm represented on the tag as the "good" spy, I will promote and help sell them for you at Chandler. :)

I'm startying to question the score averages I posted for each hole. I highly doubt that 4 players birdied hole 15. If this is the case then some groups did not start their card on the right hole. I will announce next week the importance of getting the scores on the right holes.

Thanks

I'm startying to question the score averages I posted for each hole. I highly doubt that 4 players birdied hole 15. If this is the case then some groups did not start their card on the right hole. I will announce next week the importance of getting the scores on the right holes.

Thanks

L 11 - 2.7

isn't that the 450'ish wide open shot after playing hole 10?

probably not 2.7

Yes it is, I showed 6 birdies on that hole of which I can totaly believe 4 of them but there are two players on there that make me question the order in which they started their card.

I show JT, Dan Bougher, Devan and Wagle getting a 2 on that hole but have a hard time seeing how Hinds and Woody got a 2 on it.

Big rollers!

Well until you added Sears and Pennington to our card, George and I were hitting birdie's on every hole. :)

Why should they matter, I gave you an eraser.:D

all mine were legit. we started on one so I know we didn't screw up the scorecard. Im telling you when my jump puts are hitting I'm deadly to a 100 ft. thats how I got that birdie. I cant remember Woody's.

So you got a 2 on hole 15 also? Thats the one with 3 placements and it was in the mid along the creek.

BTW....Even though it didn't matter in the long run, Duff refused a side challenge from me on his bag tag.

Also, next time I expect some TD hospitality. I was in Owasso by 5pm and that should have qualified me for at least a little time in the TD's kitchen.:)

ok i cant remember all the hole locations. the one with 3 pin placements I did not get a 2 on. Shipley did forget too write the scores down on two of the holes so that may be where the mistake is. But I did hit two in a row theretorward the end. and 18 as well.

ill just start at 1
1 par
2 par
3 par
4 100ft birdie
5 ace run birdie
6 birdie
7 par
8 birdie
9 par
10 bogey
11 par
12 birdie
13 birdie
14 par
15 Yes I did birdie basket was in middle position I believe, another 100 ft putt.
16 birdie
17 par
18 birdie and ctp

Is this what the scorecard reflects. I rewalked the course in my mind and this is how i remember it.
9 birds a bogey near ace miss and fall out put for bird on 1. Should have got your bounty.

Yes, your score card was in the wrong order. Your card reflected begining with hole 11 - 2
12 - 2
13 - 3

But you say it was
11 - 3
12 - 2
13 - 2

So my averages are off a little. I'll remind everyone next week of the importance of getting the right scores on the right holes.

Thanks Hinds

How about getting some stinking results in the stinking paper?

If you don't do it then I will so look for another Furdog Legend at Cennenial. :)

They're in the Owasso paper.:p

This isn't Tulsa.

I refused...your the one that refused to be on my card.

They're in the Owasso paper.:p

This isn't Tulsa.


Web link?

No web link, the paper comes out on Tuesday and Thursday.

No web link, the paper comes out on Tuesday and Thursday.

That's convienent, those are the days I usually run out of TP... :)

I didn't know anyone in O-wacko knew how to read. :confused:

I didn't know anyone in O-wacko knew how to read. :confused:

They know how to read on the 2nd grade level. So it takes them a week to get through 2 papers; therefore, tuesday and thursday papers only.

Your both wrong...................In the land of the blessed, we have no crime, gang shootings, kidnappings, murders or street people. So there is not enough news to put in a paper but maybe 2 times a week. Unless you want to read about the garden club, church functions, boy scouts or the local baseball teams or the big meat sale at Reasor's.:p

I'd be willing to bet that our school system out ranks Tulsa by a long ways. You both need to remember, this is a bedroom community of mostly college educated professionals and soccer moms.

We may be north of Tulsa but we are not North Tulsa.:cool:

Garden club, boy scouts, big meat sales? Is there something you aren't telling us Dave? Maybe i just don't know you that well. If that's the case, I don't think I want to either.

So maybe you are literate, but I knew something was "off" about those "northern" folk.

Yeah, land of the perfect. A couple of years back some girl got raped in the service area by the salesmen that try to sell you an over priced vehicle at the only car lot in town. That’s why you come to Tulsa to buy your Crap-a-Lanch.

A husband, wife, and I believe two daughters killed in a drug related home invasion. Yeah, the perps were from Tulsa but that just shows that the drug dealers in Owasso think they can screw people and that people in Tulsa won’t drive up there for a little payback.

You’ve got the guys that create a private business at a DG park and commits tax fraud by donating it to the parks department and claiming it on their personal taxes.

You’ve got one bar that the city allows so the rednecks wearing the court ordered ankle braceletts have a place to hang out within five miles of their farm.

The newspaper (if you want to call it that) has no internet link. So much for the “City without Limits’ and it’s ran by Mormons who will never tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

There is plenty of crime there. You just drive out to the country to do it. Nobody misses the people you bury out there anyway.

The only reason you go to church is to see if God left you a rebate in the collection plate.

You suck off of Tulsa’s water line to water the golf courses in your back yard.

You never hear Owasso’s football team mentioned in the same sentence with Jenks and Union.

Your mayor is from Iran.

There is a reason Tulsa dumps all it’s trash along it’s city border with O-Wacko.

If it's the land of perfect then what are you doing there?

I would say you qualify for the “soccer mom” position but “college educated professional” ?.....No way. You’re more like the guy who’s international travel visa had expired and found someone marry him just so he could stay in the country and be considered a legal citizen.:)

Okay how about a comparison?

Murder rate -
Tulsa 2.02 times the national average
Owasso less than 0

Forcible rape
Tulsa 1.9 times the NA
Owasso .06

Robbery
Tulsa 1.9 times the NA
Owasso .11

All Violent Crimes
Tulsa 1.83 times the NA
Owasso .4

All Property Crimes
Tulsa 1.57 times the NA
Owasso .63

what about car stereo theives, wasn't that when this guy sprang into action?:)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k266/garyE500/new%20folder/security.jpg

I think i break at least 2 laws everytime im in owasso- off the clock that is.

Okay folks, the course has been set up in all of the long positions, if you want to take a run through it before MOnday night. The only hole not in the longs is 13, we plan on weed eating the hill today and it will be ready Monday evening. The best so far in this layout is -6.

Come on out today, the weather couldn't be better.

TONIGHT! 6:30 Tee!

Owasso's Centennial Park 86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave.


Tonight we will be playing all holes in the long posistions. The best I have seen in this layout is a -6. The biggest changes in hole scorings will be on holes 1,6,13,16 and 18. Come on out and see what you can do. This is a good chance to test yourself before our sanctioned event this fall. We will be changing the course up each week. So you will not play the same layout twice in the month of July.

We will tee at 6:30 so please be on time, so you can play and not just watch. If you're hungry before the round, stop at Steak-2-Go and grab something to eat. They will be giving away another Pepperjack Philly steak sandwich again tonight.

Since the course is in the longs tonight and everyone supported my mully sales last week, everyone will get 2 mullys tonight for $1. We will have a paid CTP and an free CTP. Ace pot is $60 plus tonight.

Weather should be perfect with the high at around 86 and by 6:30 it will feel much better out there in the shade. The snake pit behind hole 3 is gone. Since we had rain the snakes have spread out again. But the city did tell me yesterday to be aware if you go in the pond on 16 as there has been reports of a cayman living in the pond.:eek: Yes, I said cayman. Must have been a pet turned out.

The park is all mowed and even the Island hill on 13 has been cleared.

Look forward to seeing al of you out there. If you need directions or if you want to pre-sign up via phone, call me at 232-8562.

Take it from me. Stop at the "Steak-2-Go" after the round because if you eat the sandwich and fries before the round you will need to wait at least one hour before you go back in the pool or you will cramp up. :(

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everyone will get 2 mullys tonight for $1. We will have a paid CTP and an free CTP.
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There you go, stealing my idea. :( ...Does that mean $2 will get you 4 mullies?

And you are supposed to start your post with "Tonight!!!...Tonight!!!...Tonight!!!". :)

No, just a 2 mully limit. And I will allow for flex starts, as long as there are enough for a card you can head on out and play. You might as well come on out, since the kitchen is empty.

Going to be very nice out this evening, come on out and see if you can post a course record for the longs or just come on out and see the course for yourself, if you haven't already.

I am trying to get a retailer for plastic going here in town. I have approached the Gas-n-Stop at 123rd and 86th st n south side of the intersection. If you are coming out tonight and need a drink or a snack, please stop at that store and ask if they are going to be a retailer or if they are going to start selling plastic. I have been trying to convince them that it would be good for their store. But they haven't seen the light yet. I think we can help with that. Please help if you can. We need a place other than overpriced hobby town.

That’s just great. I go out of my way to promote your cow pasture course to all the short-arms at my mini and within 3 days you move all the baskets to the long positions? What kind of statement is that other than “come on out short arms, lose your plastic and ol’Dave will sell you some more”?

# 13’s long position is a joke.

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Do you brag to your woman about your long positions to get her in the mood? That won’t help you to mate.

They will only be in the longs tonight. After the mini, they will all be moved to the shorts and left there until after next Monday. I am trying to get scoring averages for each layout. If you plan on playing the sanctioned event this fall, then get ready, it will be one round of shorts and one round of longs. So that we can get an SSA applied to the course.

The 3rd mini in July, I will have it mixed long and short.

first of all thanks to steak 2go in owasso for sponsering my lunch and the ctp hole. Pgilly sandwich was awesome as well as the potatoe wedges.

2nd low scores are still possible in the longs as i just played them. Just keep it in the fairway furdog.

3rdly. The baseball card store off of 76th st had been their for 20 years. I know they could move some discs for us. That guy is always trying to come up with ways to attract customers so lets help him help us.

It was a beautifull evening at the course. Saw lots of plastic headed to a wet resting place. Didn't see any snakes or the cayman but did get a visit from our local law enforcement. They didn't know we were out there but now they do. They got a copy of our schedule and stayed to watch a group or two tee off on hole 9. They were cool about it and said now they know we are there, no problems. The only reason they came out was my truck was parked on hole 9 in the back of the park and sure enough, a walker or runner called it in. No big deal, just keep in mind that course is always being watched. After the round I got to see a few players taking a nice cool dip in a couple of our ponds. (Hicks) I think most discs were found.

Owasso Centennial Results 27 players (not called into the paper)

Pro
Devan Owens 42 (course record) $39
Chris Hutchinson 47 $27
Kyle Wilkes 48 $7.50
Bill Pennington 48 $7.50
Cris Hicks 50
Mordecai 51
Dan Bougher 52
Dave Pennekamp 53
Chris Stine 55

Pro Master
Scotty Wilkinson 51 $28
Richard Mitchell 55 $8
Wayne Gregory 57
Dave King 62

Advanced
Matt Cooper 48 $18
Mike Conners 52 $12
Brian Hinds 54 $2
Eric Czarniak 54 $2
Gary Harrison 54 $2
Seth Cook 55
Dixon Harrison 58
Dane Roesle 59
Chuck Middleton 63

Advanced Master
James Diel ( donated his winnings to the course) $4

Novice
Anothony Nimmel 64 $12
David Arthurs 67

Women
Audrey Lopez 68 $4

Paid CTP
Scotty Wilkinson $21
Free CTP (steak-2-go sandwich)
Matt Cooper $10


If you didn't like your results from this week, then by all means, please come out next week, as the course will be in all short positions and ready for another course record.

Thanks to all those that came out!

Centennial Long position averages

1- 3.44 (very challenging hole)
2 - 2.96
3- 3.37
4 - 2.92
5 - 2.51
6 - 2.92 (thought this one would play tougher)
7 - 3.07
8- -3.03
9 - 3.18
total front 9 average 27.44

10 - 3.18
11 - 3.0
12 - 2.7
13 - 3.29
14 - 3.14 (thought it would play under par)
15 - 3.4
16 - 3.4
17 - 3.25 (Surprising this is over par)
18 - 3.4
Back 9 average 28.81

Total score average 54.88 (devan's 42 lowered this by about 1.5 strokes)

Notibles -
hole 6 had 8 birdies
Hole 13 had 4 birdies (good birdies)
hole 15 had No birdies
Hole 1 had no birdies
Hole 3 had no birdies
Hole 7 had only 4 birdies
Hole 16 had 1 birdie (hinds)


Hole 1 would be the #1 handicap hole followed by holes 15, 16 and 18.

fun to look at stats, thanks dave

Novice
Anothony Nimmel 64 $12
David Arthurs 67

Women
Audrey Lopez 68 $4


Why did you pay 1st Place male novice an extra $4 and why did you not hook up your one and only female player with some added cash?

Do you have a thing for young male novices?

I noticed you didn't post the sexual offender or beastiality stats in your previous crime comparison. :confused:

I paid extra because they were local novice players and I gave a driver to another new guy and let him play for free. The one and only female player, other than yourself, was paid in cash.

For those that are intrested, Centennial is now in ALL short positions and will remain that way through next Monday July 13th.

1- 299
2- 325
3 - 330
4 - 267
5 - 260
6 - 252
7 - 254
8 - 256
9 - 267
front 2510

10 - 264
11 - 300
12 - 280
13 - 282
14 - 237
15 - 318
16 - 279
17 - 240
18 - 220
back total 2420

course total 4930

BFD..... I pay all females in cash and I also throw in free shirts, discs, mating minis, and glow stuff. Last place junior normally gets a free DX and I've got a special perk for all bag tag holders.

You need to offer more freebies and quit being such a cheapskate. :(

Btw.....I'm the one that called the cops. Just because you don't play doesn't mean you should be driving around on the course. You should stay in the parking lot and be the lot lizard you are.

You don't even have a dollar "casino" hole up there. :(

Before you start throwing stones, where are your results from last week? Have you done your financials, accounting for every player and dollar handled? Mine was emailed this morning and the course was moved around at lunch. I'd say I'm handling business at my course.

Hows that new course working out for you, got all them holes in yet?

How many players did you get out there once you took it back from Joyle?

Do you have correct TD reports ready for the club treasurer?

Why are you sending your financial results to the club when none of the funds collected are going to the TDSA? Who gives a crap? If had been there last night I would have told the cops that you're not with the TDSA but just some guy running a private DG scam to line his pockets. Where are the benches you promised?

See that's the whole deal, you talk about your money going to benches and other stuff but that doesn't mean benches for DG'ers. It means benches for the general park population in a park where the city is too cheap to buy them outright.

BTW, I was off work on Friday and didn't get to a computer to post results. I can put them up but do you really want me to post your 55 score at a pitch 'n putt? Comming from you I consider that in Popeye's words......"IN-Bear-Riskin". :)

Why are you sending your financial results to the club when none of the funds collected are going to the TDSA? Who gives a crap? If had been there last night I would have told the cops that you're not with the TDSA but just some guy running a private DG scam to line his pockets. Where are the benches you promised?

See that's the whole deal, you talk about your money going to benches and other stuff but that doesn't mean benches for DG'ers. It means benches for the general park population in a park where the city is too cheap to buy them outright.

Where are the 18 holes you promised?


I send it to the club Treasurer every Tuseday, just so the naysayers, like yourself :mad: can see a full accounting of all monies handled, including disc profits collected. The cops had no problems with me being there, and funny you should mention it, I gave them a TDSA schedule and low and behold my name was listed next to Centennial with all of the other TDs.:eek:
The city has already ordered 6 more benches and we have input on where they go. They like the bag holder idea and agreed to it but they want to go with metal poles and not wood. Benches, trash cans and bag holders are next on the list with concrete being the last improvement. I am (out of my pocket by the way) having steel poles made to fit the empty sleeves that are there so the mowers don't destroy them and so golfers can actually see where the other placements are.

Oh and just so you know, the last card teed off last night at 6:32.:cool:

BFD.....

They show Zook as a TD also. Nobody was doing Mondays anyway. I'll double date any Saturday or Sunday you try and schedule just so people have an option and prefer fun at a Mountain Resort over driving to Owasso and walking around in a cow-pattie field. :)

I don't know anything course in town that requires a 2-3 block walk to the first tee pad. What the hell were you thinking? :confused:

Yeah and they show you as a TD but that is still in question, Mr. On Time.

Go ahead and try it, you'll just look like a bigger arse than you do now.:eek:

By the way, how many did you have out at your mini last week?
Where are your results? Who won? Who got paid? besides the Td.:cool:


You can do what ever you want, say what ever you want about Owasso or myself, doesn't matter. "Build it and they will come"....... and they have. Quite a few more than the 5-10 you predicted.:eek:

Yeah, Craptenial is like the tv movie of the week. Lot's of drama but bad direction by it's director leaves it out of Oscar contention and it never makes it to the big screen and it ends up on the $4.99 dvd rack at Walmart.

You don't make any anouncements, don't pass out flyers or promote next events and even if you did call in scores to the newspaper they wouldn't be in the sports section. I'm sure you would post your scores in the rich high society section. I'm surprised you don't call your events "Gayla's" insteads of mini's.

Think "Pet Rock" Dave. :)

idK furdog, I have always loved Chandler but I think the challenge of Centennial is becoming more and more alluring, Dare I say if Wise had all of his baskets in the shorts like chandler we might see the same kind of turnout. I was big time pro chandler until I realized how much better the owasso park was making my game. I do like not having to worry about water on the hill'.

And where were you last night. No appearance no right to complain.

For those that were there, flyers were passed out, discs were given away and everyone was told to attend Riverside on Tuesday. Again you spout BS with no knowledge of the facts.

Next Monday night all baskets will be in the shorts, actually they are all in the shorts right now. As TD, I will be there by 5:00 so that groups can begin flex starts. That way you all don't have to wait until 10 minutes before tee time to sign up and wait to play 30 minutes later.
Treat ran flex starts last night and I think he liked it. I know I did.

Brian, thanks for the compliments. Yes Chandler has no water but I think the water makes a player truley assess the risk vs. reward type of shot. Kind of " do you feel lucky today?" In addition to the water, don't forget all of the pathways out there that are OB also.
Don't get me wrong, Chandler is okay and I really like Moose Run but they're not the same type of course, which is a good thing. Variety is always nice.
If a player just wants to have an easy round, drink a lot of beer, leave their cans lying around and molest Christmas decorations, then Chandler is their course. If a player wants to see how many birdies he can get in a round, then Chandler or the new Riverside is the course. Now Moose run is a little different. It has some tough shots and is MUCH more challenging than the original course, which has become only a shell of its orginal layout. If Moose Run had some water features, like a creek, or some other OB features it would be hard to not rate that course much higher. I still like Moose run, I just like Centennial more.

Think "Pet Rock" Dave. :)

The difference in my pet rock and your pet rock, is I take care of mine. I don't leave it up to a group of paid county workers to tell me when they'll get to it, if ever. Tell me, when was the last time you were at Chandler to do anything other than collect money form players?:eek:
You had the county do the installation, you had Hicks design it, you had Skinner do the maps, you had me do the distances, you had Joyle running your minis, have you done anything out there other than the plastic reindeer?:rolleyes: Or did you have to have the Coberly gang handle that for you also?:p

:):):)

Why not have the parks department dig the holes and install the baskets vs relying on club members to do it?

Your course sat as a lousy nine hole course for what?....Nine months? I heard those original nine that you designed were jacked up. I didn’t see you running any minis then.

I didn’t ask you to sight in distances. Jerry Stacey could have done it and wouldn’t have given me half the crap you do.

Isn’t George Skinner doing your maps also?

What type of crap were you going to give me if I designed the Moose run?

The difference between my pet rock and your pet rock is that mine has been around for over twenty years. Even when it was just a nine hole course it got more play than yours ever will. My course sells itself and contributes to the better good of DG by bringing in more new players and putting money back into local events.

Your pet rock is your personal tax write off and supports Dave's world only and you've never had seventy people at one of your mini's. The parking lot there couldn't handle it anyway.

Where my pet rock can support big events like the BOK, your's can barely handle the drunk crowd at Joe's Bar & Grill.

You won't find beer cans and cigarette butts on your course because most casuals will just throw them in the creek or unload them at the barn and when one of those casuals drops his pipe in the playground on the three block walk to hole one you'll see drug sniffing dogs and sobriety checks in the parking lot.

Craptennial is cow field that wants to grow up and be a real park someday. I'll give you credit for your efforts as I believe you mean well. Putting in a course where none existed before is worthy of mention indeed. I'm sure the local high society that you belong to will come along and want the DG’ers to pay for a dog park too so Hinds, get ready.

You can't even get your little runt to put down his video games and come out with you. :confused:

What ever, you keep saying this is my private write off, WRONG. I don't write off any of it. On top of that, I take all of the profit from the am payouts and put that back to the course also. The biggest difference is the course that you claim to be yours was built by others. Others who made it what it is today, all you are doing is continuing it. Now Moose run on the other hand, was created by you and efforts of others and is a GREAT addition to Tulsa golf, as is Owasso. You can continue to say what you want about Owasso but it is here to stay, no matter what you think and it will just get better and better, in spite of your continued efforts to bring it down and discredit my efforts associated with it.

The only advantage you may have is two courses in one location, the only other place with this is Mohawk and maybe McCLure with Dovillio a few blocks away.

Owasso will never be a Chandler, and thank God for that, we don't need another one.
Now we have the Hawks for longer layouts and we have McClure, Hunter, Dovillio and Centennial that all offer their own challenges. Now that Riverside is back, Tulsa has two Pitch-n-Putts again for locals and beginners. But Riverside has gone high class also now, sure not what is was. They're starting to act like its Owasso.

Just accept the fact that there is a level of player that will only play courses like Chandler and Riverside, then there is another level that won't play there unless they have to, they would rather play the other courses on the list. Owasso fits in the second level. I just feel we are blessed to have as many courses and types of courses as we do and have the cities and parks departments behind them.

With Owasso, I am just trying to develope a different model than we have used in the past when putting in courses. The players are the ones to generate the money and they should be the ones to see the beneftis from their support. Not everyone likes to see their support all year long just dumped into some tournament to boost pro payouts for a bunch of guys that just complain afterwards. This is something I want to get away from. Am I sure this will work?, no I'm not, but I'm sure going to try. If I fail, then the course will be no worse than Dovilio is right now.

I would like to see benches for players at every course. I would like to see mulitple placements at McClure again. I'd like to see all of our courses look top notch!
Even yours..............................

Why not have the parks department dig the holes and install the baskets vs relying on club members to do it?


Uhh, maybe because we want to have a complete course?
We know how, they don't.


So how has the parks department doing all of yours worked out for ya?

Well actually it's worked out great. We're going to get a new parking lot specifically for DG'ers. They are going to move two green shelters for us. They are going to sell plastic in the new rec center. They continue to reserve the shelter for us and waive all of our shelter rental fees.

What are you going to gripe about after hole 1 & 4 are done?

And don’t tell me you would have helped build those because you have to hire a maid to clean your house and wash your underwear so I can’t imagine you would be of any use putting blocks together.

As far as I'm concerning neither your course or mine will be complete until the cement pads are poured.

You did the right thing with the short and long pin placements but you continue to preach long over short courses does nothing for towns like BA, Jenks, & Bixby who have no course at all. If the club backs any other new course at these locations then it should use your multiple pin placement example so as not to lose the interest of the casual player who wonders why should a pay to play in a mini when I get nothing out of it and I can play for free anyway.

That is about how I feel about your course.

Well you'll never really understand, you'd have to BE a player to understand why they play and what they get out of it. You've never cared enough about playing that I would expect you'd EVER understand. I guess those that can play do and those that can't become a TD. At least when my time comes I can say I played.

Well actually it's worked out great. We're going to get a new parking lot specifically for DG'ers.(what they really said, "Stick them out in the back where no one can see them) They are going to move two green shelters for us.(give those old things to the Dgers, they'll think its great) They are going to sell plastic in the new rec center.(They really just want a bigger piece of the pie) They continue to reserve the shelter for us and waive all of our shelter rental fees.(very easy to do, when no one is renting them)

What are you going to gripe about after hole 1 & 4 are done?
I won't have anything to gripe about the course. You though are just an open book.
And don’t tell me you would have helped build those because you have to hire a maid to clean your house and wash your underwear so I can’t imagine you would be of any use putting blocks together. I hire peolpe to do the things I don't like. Probably why your boss hired you.
I can promise you they would have been done befoe now and you know it!

As far as I'm concerning neither your course or mine will be complete until the cement pads are poured. Agreed, but I plan on more than just concrete.

You did the right thing with the short and long pin placements but you continue to preach long over short courses does nothing for towns like BA, Jenks, & Bixby who have no course at all. If the club backs any other new course at these locations then it should use your multiple pin placement example so as not to lose the interest of the casual player who wonders why should a pay to play in a mini when I get nothing out of it and I can play for free anyway. Where is this that I continue to preach long over short? If you'll think back, if you can, I said we have enough pitch-n-putts. There is nothing wrong with a technical short hole. However there is something wrong with a short open hole, that offers no challenge to anyone other than a true beginner. As for Jenks and BA, they have no land available. Its all commercial or housing. Neither City has any park bigger than Reed. Now Bixby, has lots of possibilities with so much flood land and the river near by. I think Bixby is the best option out there for expansion.

That is about how I feel about your course.
Since when have I ever cared what you thought?

Finally on this thread we have some GOOD news. I have secured a retail location for disc sales in Owasso. It is on 86th st and is already an established location. Still working out the a few minor details and deciding on how much to order. As soon as it is finalized I will post their name and location. The biggest plus is, they will be cheaper than Hobby Town! And they will carry a wide variety of discs, bags and ect....

It's not what I think that you should care about.

It's what I know.

The last few years you sat on the side of the pool throwing in crap about everything Marie and I have tried to do out there so now that you're in the pool you should get used to swimming in your own crap.

Is that a threat? Sure wouldn't surpise me knowing you. :o You do what ever you feel you need to do BIG BOY! You want to continue to trash my efforts with this course, go ahead, you want to make threats against me? Go ahead, you just continue to look like a bigger arse than you are.

And all of this from a club admin???????? What a great attitude from an elected board member.


Post what ever you want from here on. Thats the neat thing about the ignor user button..............POOF.......You're gone!

Wow, its like he never existed. How nice is that?:)

My rant over your course is officially over unless you want to continue to trash my efforts at Chandler. This gun fight can't continue if you're going to continue to send me emails requesting time out because you've ran out of bullets.

I took the extra time that you complain so often about me to give good props to your course and efforts at my mini last week so why we are getting back into it this week I don't know other than we must be bored or we both must have been lawyers in some other life and we just like arguing with each other.

There are people on TV reality shows that are getting millions doing the same thing we're doing so maybe we should look into that.:)

so why we are getting back into it this week I don't know other than we must be bored or we both must have been married in some other life and we just like arguing with each other.


fixed :)

Sorry Evan, had to fix you too. Just consider it collateral damage.:(

Send me an email or call if you can refrain from quoting. Until then...


POOF!

What are you doing here??

Are they not running "Hee Haw" reruns on Ft. Smith primetime no more?

Well since Dave has fled the battlefield I guess this makes me the last man standing. :)

Too bad too because I was going to suggest we kiss and makeup. :(

See Evan, divorce doesn't have to cost $68.

Don't forget Monday night mini is in Owasso. Flex starts begining at 5:15 though 6:30.

For all the short arm or begining golfers, this is your chance to play this course! Every pin position is in the shorts. All players can reach just about any hole. I will also have extra FREE CTPs. I will have more free Steak-2-Go sandwiches to give away and I'm throwing in some discs. The ace pot should be around $100 for Monday and I would guess 16 of them are aceable! I will also offer some of my own cash, I'm in on every card for 51 and I'm not even playing.

This will be your only chance to play all of the short positions before the Sept 13th Centennial Cup, a PDGA sanctioned 1 day event. After the Monday mini, half of the holes will be moved to other positions. SO DON'T MISS THIS MONDAY!

This will be your chance to set a new course record in this layout. I'll even put up a $50 bounty for an 18 under par!

Centennial Park
86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave.

Whether you ignore me or not.....

My name is Furdog and I approve this event.

I will direct all of my legions of short arm followers to gather at your location. :)

Don't forget Monday night mini is in Owasso. Flex starts begining at 5:15 though 6:30.

For all the short arm or begining golfers, this is your chance to play this course! Every pin position is in the shorts. All players can reach just about any hole. I will also have extra FREE CTPs. I will have more free Steak-2-Go sandwiches to give away and I'm throwing in some discs. The ace pot should be around $100 for Monday and I would guess 16 of them are aceable! I will also offer some of my own cash, I'm in on every card for 51 and I'm not even playing.

This will be your only chance to play all of the short positions before the Sept 13th Centennial Cup, a PDGA sanctioned 1 day event. After the Monday mini, half of the holes will be moved to other positions. SO DON'T MISS THIS MONDAY!

This will be your chance to set a new course record in this layout. I'll even put up a $50 bounty for an 18 under par!

Centennial Park
86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave.
any action early Sundy before Mack Taylor?

Tonight's the night folks!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on out!


Don't forget Monday night mini is in Owasso. Flex starts begining at 5:15 though 6:30.

For all the short arm or begining golfers, this is your chance to play this course! Every pin position is in the shorts. All players can reach just about any hole. I will also have extra FREE CTPs. I will have more free Steak-2-Go sandwiches to give away and I'm throwing in some discs. The ace pot should be around $100 for Monday and I would guess 16 of them are aceable! I will also offer some of my own cash, I'm in on every card for 51 and I'm not even playing.

This will be your only chance to play all of the short positions before the Sept 13th Centennial Cup, a PDGA sanctioned 1 day event. After the Monday mini, half of the holes will be moved to other positions. SO DON'T MISS THIS MONDAY!

This will be your chance to set a new course record in this layout. I'll even put up a $50 bounty for an 18 under par!

Centennial Park
86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave.

... I WANNA make a late-run out there ... short-course ... right after the Admin-meeting ... maybe a few of us can have a "late" "Admin Division" ... it has possibilities ...

I'll hold a spot for you. You should have no problems getting in a round on the shorts before dark.

C-Ya there.

I don't start most nights until 7:30 amd make it with ease.

just played centenial
it was hot but it plays well in the shorts very quik round i shot some where around 9 down buut threw multiple shots on just about every hole of course only scored the first shot on every hole
Dave you might want to bag the tee signs that are not in use right now especially # 2
all in all very nice addition to the disc golf scene in the tulsa area

good job

Thanks to everyone that come out in the 100+ heat. It was a hot start but about 3/4 of the way through a slight breeze kicked up. No one took my $50 bounty for a
-18 but it was real close. Starting to get a few locals out in the novice division, more locals every week.

Next week, pin positions will be mixed. Not sure right now but I will post all of the positions before next Monday.

Thanks to all that have supported Owasso, we have raised almost $200 for the course, of which I spent $70 of that installing all of the marker poles for the alternate pins, so that the mowers won't destroy them. We will have mulligans again next week, as this helps raise money the quickest for the course. Skinner said the tees sign art work will be done this week, so with that all of the tee signs should be installed within two weeks. From there we will be on to putting in benches in a few key areas, then bag holders and next year concrete tees.

Here are your results from last night.

Pro
Devan Owens 38 - $38
Coda Hatfield 39 - $25
Sam Neilsen 40 - $9
Mordecai 45
Randy Foresander 48
Johnny Thompson 51
Bobby Barnes 51
Jay Slack 56

Pro Master
Dan Bougher 42 - $28
Dave Faizer 44 - $8
Jerry Stacy 53
George Skinner 54

Pro Women
Melissa Townsend 53 (birdied 16, 16 and 18) - $10

Advanced
Gary Harrison 46 - $8 ($10 credit)
Mike Conners 46 - $8 ($5 credit)
Chris Stine 48
Seth Cook 51

Am Women
Sarah Slane 59 - $5 cash

Novice
Alex Mayfield 55 - $15
David Treadwell 56 - $9
Michael Arthurs 59
Tyler Pacula 62
David Arthurs 65
Nathan Bourland 69

Paid CTP Hole 5 - Seth Cook - 40.5 inches - $17

Free CTP hole 17 - Jay Slack - 10 inches - Steak-2-Go & 1st Run Champ Groove


Ace pot for next week starts at $83.00

For those that like stats, here are the hole scoring averages for all short positions.

1 - 3.25
2 - 2.79
3 - 2.96
4 - 2.83
5 - 2.41
6 - 2.54
7 - 2.71
8 - 2.66
9 - 3.00
Front average 25.29
10 - 2.75
11 - 2.71
12 - 2.96
13 - 3.08
14 - 2.66
15 - 3.00
16 - 2.96
17 - 2.66
18 - 3.16
Back nine average 27.25
Total scoring average 52.54

Hole 1 continues to be the #1 handicap hole, in any position.

Wow!! That is a tough pro field!! Have to shoot a -14 to cash, that is pretty solid!

CTP's last night? Just curious if mine held out on 17!

CTP's last night? Just curious if mine held out on 17!


See above, I have updated it.

Thanks Melissa, by the way solid butt kicking you put on Seth and Gary for 16, 17 & 18!:D

Thanks Wise! I appreciate your support! The first half of the round was brutal...sweat dripping down our foreheads and discs slipping out of our hands! I'm glad I was able to finish strong after the heat died down and the breeze picked up a bit. Love the course! Can't wait to play some of the other placements too! Great job Wise!

sorry i missed the mini last night, had to make a money decision on what to play this week and still be able to pay for the glide. Came out at 9 am, on the clock of course and shot a 9 down on the shorts. Speed of play seemed much faster. And at 9 am I had a nice breeze and never broke a sweat, even with jeans on. Quickly becoming my favorite course because of the diversity in the layouts. Keep up the good work Mr. Wise.

Tonight! Owasso Centennial Park.

Flex Starts begin at 5:30 through 6:30.

Ace pot is $83 plus tonight. I will be moving some of the pin positions today. The course will be a mix of longs and shorts.

We will sell muliigans tonight $1 each, limit 2.

I will also throw in another free CTP in addition to the paid CTP.
Weather should be great this evening, so come on out.

The hole positions for this evening will be:
1 - S
2 - S
3- -L
4 - S
5 - standard
6 - L
7 - L
8 - S
9 - L
10 - S
11 - S
12 - Standard
13 - S
14 - L
15 - Mid
16 - L
17 - L
18 - Mid.

It was beautifull out at the course last night. If you weren't there you should have been.
In August we will begin flirting with some OB rules of Path and across on some holes. In a couple of weeks I will have another all short position mini for the ace pot at over $100.

Scores
Open
Sam Neilsen 43 $33
Bill Pennington 46 $10.50
Kyle Wilkes 46 $10.50
Dave Pennekamp 49
Dan Bougher 50
Justin Bougher 51

Pro Women
Melissa Townsend 64 $10

Advanced Am
Seth Cook 51 $15
Dough Duff 52 $9
Mike COnners 53
Gary Harrison 53
BVA 55
Bobby Barnes 63

Novice
Dane Roesle 57 $15
Keith Nelson 60 $4.50
Aaron Warburg 60 $4.50

Grand Master
Wayne Forest 57 $5

Paid CTP Hole 5
Bobby Barnes $14

Free CTP Hole 18
Dave Pennekamp $20 Kum-n-Go Card

On a side note, I would like to thank all of the players that have come out to support this course.
After 4 minis we have raised $275 for the course. $70 was spent on the poles for the alternate positions, to protect them from the mowers and we have $205 right now. At this rate we should have another $300 by the end of August. Thats $500 total that we will have raised in two months of minis. Not too bad with an average attendence of around 25. Match that with the city and we have $1,000. THANK YOU!

Benches will be coming very soon.

Keep up the good work Wise.

You know what Centennial could really use? A few more trees! This is where all of you can help.

If you join the Arbor Day Foundation for only $10 they will send you 10 trees. here is the link: http://www.arborday.org/shopping/Memberships/memberships.cfm?membership=trees sure they are small but planted correctly they could help in the future.

You can add to the course by adding spring color with some Redbuds or Dogwoods, you can add some fall color by getting some Sugar Maples, add Poplar's for some shade around tee areas. Evergreens are great, hardy trees to protect pins or use as bunkers. Hole 18 could use a Weeping Willow (Great Disc Golf Tree) planted near the pond to protect the pin

Just a thought, but if 5 or 6 of you decided to contribute to the Arbor Day it could add 50 or 60 trees to a nice park.

Since your building this course from scratch why not go all the way and landscape a few holes by adding some trees, 10 years from now they would all be substantial trees, and could really add some beauty and challenge to the course.

Some manufactured visuals :D

Dogs and Cats Love this place.

I like the idea Kevin!!! But as if 18 weren't hard enough already at the long placement, you have to go and add some huge weeping tree...I had a hard time last night and it was the medium pin! Guess a lay up will be my method of choice for a while anyway!

Once again, thanks Wise, for everything you're doing up in Owasso! I love the course!!!

I like the idea Kevin!!! But as if 18 weren't hard enough already at the long placement, you have to go and add some huge weeping tree...I had a hard time last night and it was the medium pin! Guess a lay up will be my method of choice for a while anyway!

Once again, thanks Wise, for everything you're doing up in Owasso! I love the course!!!

i would give $10 to help put in trees, and in time with the addition of more trees that course could be real hard!!!

I'll donate some seeds. :)

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Grand Master
Wayne Forest 57 $5
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Standard payout is $4 for one player so where does this extra dollar come from?

Are you bribing a TDSA Admin because if so I'm open to bribes and for the right amount of money I'll go away all together. :)

As a Non TDSA course I can pay out as much as I want, as deep as I want.

Are you insinuating that Owasso has higher payouts than Tulsa?:rolleyes:

Well you SHOULD have higher payouts considering the gas, the time, no beer, and the extra walking people have to put up with just to get to hole 1. :(

I'm just wondering why you only gave extra cash to the TDSA Admin who puts the monthly schedule together yet Mel has been there several times I believe and gives your course good props but she only got the standard $10. :confused:

Maybe you should plug your players packs for the Owacko Open in September with a jar a KY to grease the wheels and save the cash. :)

The womens divisions and the grand master divisions will always get 100% payout. Thats what Mel got and I covered her mullys.

Thats what Mel got and I covered her mullys.

Is that what they are calling it these days? I think we would all prefer to see her Mully's uncovered :D

The womens divisions and the grand master divisions will always get 100% payout. Thats what Mel got and I covered her mullys.

Well that is mighty Obama of you Dave!!! :)

I think the TDSA should adopt that policy.

Is that what they are calling it these days? I think we would all prefer to see her Mully's uncovered :D

Would that fall under the same catagory as "Skin to Win"???:)

Well that is mighty Obama of you Dave!!!



No its not. I didn't take any money from the higher divisions nor did I borrow the money to do it. I only gave back money to those that paid into the system, as it should be.

please take my hold over 2$ from two weeks ago and consider it a donation. Didn't even realize i had won anything till i started reading some old threads. If I ever win less than 5 on any course I'd like it to go torwards the course. Thanks Wise.

Why is it that we never see "The Runt" at this course?

Unfortunately the tee signs are delayed again. The designer has decided not to complete them without compensation, not what I was told in the begining but I guess things change.

Oh well, back to the drawing board......if anyone can help with this I would appreciate it. You would have to volunteer to do it as I am trying to get this course finished with mostly volunteers so that more money can be put to other ameneites and concrete tee pads next year.

If you can help with this PLEASE let me know. I need to get it done ASAP, as the course has already been in the ground over two months now with only temporary tee signs and the City of Owasso wants them finished.

Thanks
Dave Wise 232-8562

Well I guess that means I'm screwed too. :(

This is sample of what I can do with the software I have at work. I'm not good with trees though. Probably not the type of stuff you were looking for. I'm going to see if Super Moose will help me with Moose Run. If you are interested then let me know. I can't design holes at Centennial from memory so you would have to be there to advise.

You're not screwed if you come up with some $$ for him. Without that he just can't seem to find the motivation it takes to finish them.

Well I would rather eat my children than part with money.

I would do your maps for just a Steak-2-Go sandwich and a bottle of vodka. You might have to do spell check on them when I'm done though.:)

and by bottle of vodka, two putt is thinking......





















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Are you trying to insinuate that Twoputt is a cheapskate?

Nobody does anything for free nowday's. :(

I have to disagree with that. I know you have done for Chandler for free, I have done for Owasso for free, many of us did for Mohawk and the worlds for free and a few did for the Lodge for free. Our player base or most of them, know that we have to do a lot for free in order to have the courses we want. There is NO money to be made in this sport.

Well I guess that’s true. If someone says they will volunteer their time they shouldn’t come back three months later and demand money for their time. I understand paying for supplies someone needs to complete something but volunteering does not mean “What’s in it for me.”.

If Hicks and Mendoza would have demanded money for designing the Moose Run then I would have had to do it myself. I guess the thought of me doing it scared and /or motivated them enough to step in and volunteer their time for free. :)

BTW, my waterboy service at Am Worlds cost me $600.

That's why when the KC Worlds guys called asked me to waterboy this year I said NO WAY!!!

Everytime I look at it I'm reminded that volunteering doesn't pay. :(

TONIGHT!!!!

Centennial Park in Owasso
86th St N between 145th E Ave and 161st E Ave

Flex starts begin at 5:15 through 6:30.
Ace pot starts at $92.00 plus tonght.
Free CTP - Steak-2-Go is back tonight anlong with another Kum-n-Go gift card.

1 Free mully for everyone and you can purchase 1 additional mully for $1.
All of your mully money all 100% of it goes right back into the course you are supporting.

All women & Juniors get free mullys, CTP and ace pot!

We will be experimenting with some additional OB rules tonight. DOn't be scared, nothing too severe, just wanting to see the scoring averages with some minor changes.

So come on out! If you're running behind or need directions call me at 232-8562.
Thanks

If I come out there I want to play Novice unless another novice shows up. In that case I want to play Junior. With so many in KC, tonight might be my night!!! :)

Your night for what... sounds like you want to play with little kids to me you sick ****

It's called 1st place buddy.

Something you'll never see in KC.

I don't care if Wise puts it in the paper or not because I WILL!!!! :)

We will have a surprise guest this evening.

is it an Arkie ???

The rain kept me away tonight, but boy did it turn out to be a beautiful evening. Wish I would've sucked it up and headed up to Owasso tonight!

I carried an umbrella around in hopes that the rain would stay away. It did after my first two holes and even then i t was a very mild drizzle.

First Ever paid Ace hole 5. And im sure I looked like an idiot jumping and screaming but **** it feels good to finally get that monkey off my back. Thanks Wise

Nice Ace Hinds! Congrats!!!!

thanks melissa :) check out zelosport.com or just google zelosport. Cool stuff.

If you stayed away due to the rain last night, then it was your loss. While I'm sure it weas raining all over Tulsa, didn't rain all day in the land of the enchanted and it was a beautifull evening for golf. The temp was a high of about 80.

Results

Open Pro
Justin Bougher 48 $30
Randy Foresander 51 $15
Bill Moyers 52
Chris Hatton 52
Johnny Thompson 55

Pr Master
Dan Bougher 45 $30
Sam Neilsen 48 $15
Tonly Walker 50
Bill Pennington 52
Joyle Deering 56
Billy Juby 64

Advanced Am
Bryan Hinds $4

Novice Am
Alex Mayfield 63 $15
Tyler Pacula 64 $9
Michael teague 68
Cole Garoutte 68
Peter Dubois 72
Cody Burch 74

Ace Pot
Brian Hinds $101 Hole 5 - esp wasp in the air, no skipper

Paid CTP
Bryan Hinds $15

Free CTP
Sam Neilsen
(Steak-2-Go , $10 Kum-n-Go Card and new golf towel)

I also gave every player a free mulligan and lottery scratch card, even had a few winners on that deal.

Come on out Next Monday, we will change up the course a little and throw in some new OB lines.

And Remember, if the weather is bad in Tulsa it will be nice in Owasso. Those that came out last night are now converted beleivers.

No freeloaders allowed!!!!

Hinds only shows to be current through '08. Did you deduct his TDSA membership?

Very impressive free CTP payout BTW. :)

No I did not deduct his membership. Not a TDSA course, remember? As soon as the club decides to address their membership issues and provde me with enrollment material, then I MAY deduct a fee.

Free CTP - the free ctp for the last two weeks has been worth more than the paid ctp and next week it will continue. Hinds kind of screwed everyone for my plan in two weeks. I was going to move everything short and double the ace pot. By that time it should have been around $120 and I was going to double it to $240. Now the ace pot starts next week at $51.:(

Hey did you even notice I gave out 20 scratch cards last night also.
So for an extra dollar each player recieved 2 mulligans and a scratch card.

Well on July 17th you said this on "The Dude" thread:

"Regardless of your actions, membership will be required by me in exchange for the TDSA listing my events, should an Ace be hit."

All you have to do is email Steve Ward and report the ace and tell him that Hinds is now current for 09'. If Hinds gave his phone and address previously then the club has everything it needs though I agree, the club never really uses the phone # or address for anything.

Even though your profits are going into your course you are still using the TDSA to get your word out and the TDSA has scheduled a day in September specifically for your non-TDSA tourney.

There is talk of club membership bag tags for next year but I'm hearing $20 which I disagree with. You'll sell more at $10. IMO, next year if you hit an ace then a flat $15 should go to the club if your a non-member at the time. Maybe then people would pay before and not after they hit an ace.

Your scratch cards and other freebees are good. Your TD status is consistantly being upgraded in my book every week.

On top of that it looks like you had 6 novices that actually shoot novice scores. :)

If the club doesn't do something to make mebership a worth while investment, then I may have to create another model to prove it can work and just do it in Owasso.
As for Hinds, I think he should re-up his membership in the club. I just over looked it last night. My bad.

Yes, our novice players are true novice. If some of the baggers would come off your mountian for a round at Centennial, they may just find out they aren't as good as they thought they were.

Not sure what layout I will have next week but I'll find a way to make it different and interesting.

With the competition between you and I being TDs, it will only make the rest of them either step up or step out.

The players will go where they get the biggest bang for their buck and right now that is either Chandler or Centennial. We may go broke giving stuff away but no one will be able to say we were greedy or we screwed them.

Well as you found out last week with your “Tee-Sign” fiasco, it really comes down to volunteering vs “What’s in it for me”. If you run your minis like a business then people will see that. It doesn’t mean they won’t show up if you’re the only mini in town but more is more and in the long run by giving more you make the sport more fun for everyone and hopefully inspire someone else to do the same.

As a DG Hack, I like the freebies because I only cash if nobody else is in my division.

As you know most of the stuff I give away is leftover CS stuff but I’ve been hit for cash at times just because I didn’t know when to shut up. That $20 ace Sammy took at a Chandler Knight Flight was a good example. I like gambling and taking the odds as if to say “You can’t touch this!” and if they do win then I’m still happy for them.

I’ve been telling the people at my minis to make sure they demand more at other minis because I’m hoping the club will step up and subsidize a freebie of some kind from a percentage if not all of the 20% it takes off the top of the CTP. It’s not much but its better than what the members are getting right now. We are already doing it for our OO fundraiser events so why not the general membership.

Last week when Joe Carter hit the Chandler ace I deducted the $15 and when he asked what he gets as a member I was embarrassed to tell him the lack of true value involved. I think a club ran BT with perks next year would offer more for the money than just a vote, a business card, and $1 off merch.

Wise,

I really, REALLY enjoyed the round yesterday. I haven't played since, well, chandlerstock (insert look of shame here) and i had a blast. Played with a pro-level player new to the area as well as a couple of guys getting into the sport.

I'm not MIA due to anything except a busy life. Two jobs + honey-do list + house upkeep = busy busy man.

I will whip up a tee-sign prototype or two and post them as jpegs here on the board and let you pick the format you like best. The one thing i forgot to ask is the dimensions of the frames..

oh, and i'll need an email with all the footages. my memory is good, but not THAT good.

props to the owasso crew. Miss playing with everyone. I've gotta crawl out from under my rock sooner or later, right? :)

oh, and i shot 54, not 52.

Well I can tell you I'm not going to wait around for the club to correct it. I've been wating since 2006 and nothing has changed towards membership. If I have to I WILL start a TDSA affiliate club in Owasso and make its membership benefits something the players desire. It won't be for a while, I have too much on my plate right now. But its coming.

Hit me with an email at [email protected] and I'll send you the dimensions and the distances.

THANK YOU SLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

I will re-up this weekend on my tdsa fee. Kind of screwed up my experiment myself of seeing what the tdsa actually gives you for 15 cash. I was going to hold out and not pay this year and see what i missed out on if anything by not being a member. Now I'll just pay my 20 for two and hope we get more for our money in the future.

Well I think the big question should be what do you expect for your $15?

Hinds, right now….

You get to vote.
You get $1 off purchased TDSA discs. (No big deal IMO but yes a small perk)
You get your name on the website ace club which BTW you might want to go ahead and pay so Owasso can show there are ace’able holes there. (Right now about 90% of all aces listed are at Chandler) :)

That’s really about it. You can’t really claim free hot dogs at the picnic because everyone gets that.

What is the club really giving back? Nothing really. At a minimum you should have something in your hand even if it was only worth 20-30% of your $15 donation.

The only true commitment the club has is to back $2000 into the OO every year. I don’t believe that includes the extra funds brought in by Wayne and Big Nics night events. That means the club needs to bring in at least $166 a month through out the year in mini fees. One could say that only advanced and pros benefit from that but no matter what your skill, if you play you benefit.

What about the newbie needs? What about the rest of us?

I think at a minimum, membership should come with a nice colorful fat numbered bag tag.

IMO -
$10 = bag tag w/ Picnic BT challenge.
$15 = bag tag w/ Picnic BT challenge and weekly or monthly perks (Free merch CTP’s every mini for members only)
$20 = Too hard to sell.

I feel it should be annual memberships, with all renewing in January. Easier to track and easier to promote with a big push once a year.

I think it should be $20 per year.

For your $20:
Dry Fit logo shirt or long sleeve tee
annual bag tag
voting rights
$1 off club merch
$5 mini fees for Am members
$10 mini fees for Pro members

Non-member would pay an extra $1 for either division.
all of the extra dollars would go into the year end bag tag tournament.

But this is nothing new, I have promoted this idea for 3 years now, but to deaf ears.

Like I said, I may just have to do it myself just to prove it can work.

I don’t know man. $20 is a hard sell to some of the Chandler crowd that pay their entry in quarters.

I would think the January renew would be preferred and maybe some incentive could be added to renew at least by the Ice Bowl but you can’t really hold anyone to that.

You’re idea sounds fine but in my opinion should be considered the deluxe membership. The club should pay attention to see that it doesn’t get stuck with a large inventory of shirts that don’t move also.

I sold a lot of CS25 tags to people from OKC at $10 and I believe that maybe a $10 Associates membership should be offered also with everything you listed except for the shirt.

The $1 extra for the non-member might work if you can continue to show him something (members only) at the mini. Obviously he will see the benefit of a $10 Associate membership though if he plans on playing more than 10 minis a year.

If I forget to run a CS25 tag holder CTP at my minis now you can bet they guys that have them will remind me of it. The non-tag holders see that now and ask me where they can get a tag and all I can say is that they are sold out.

The $1 extra for non-members portrays the club as less inviting vs the club offering goodies up front to membership drawing in non-members to inquire about membership.

I offer something a little different every time and not all of it is big value but I don’t think the CS25 tag holders mind. They just like the sense of privilege.

I don't know if I can compete with your scratch lotto deal because if someone won big I would insist on a percentage. :)

I don�t know man. $20 is a hard sell to some of the Chandler crowd that pay their entry in quarters.Not if they feel its a good value.

I would think the January renew would be preferred and maybe some incentive could be added to renew at least by the Ice Bowl but you can�t really hold anyone to that.Give them the option to renew from Oct to january but the membership is for jan through Dec

You�re idea sounds fine but in my opinion should be considered the deluxe membership. The club should pay attention to see that it doesn�t get stuck with a large inventory of shirts that don�t move also.No need to get stuck with anything, we can get a local to supplier to let us place orders. When they're ready we pick them up and the players can get them at the minis or arrange a time to pick them up. By using this method our members could have a wide selection of clothing in which to get the logo on, as long as the items stay within our price per item.

I sold a lot of CS25 tags to people from OKC at $10 and I believe that maybe a $10 Associates membership should be offered also with everything you listed except for the shirt.I think you;re making this harder that it needs to be. Now we would have to types of memberships, hell, the club can't hardley keep up with the one system that they have now.

The $1 extra for the non-member might work if you can continue to show him something (members only) at the mini. Not paying an extra dollar is some pretty good proof Obviously he will see the benefit of a $10 Associate membership though if he plans on playing more than 10 minis a year.

If I forget to run a CS25 tag holder CTP at my minis now you can bet they guys that have them will remind me of it. The non-tag holders see that now and ask me where they can get a tag and all I can say is that they are sold out. Exactly, they think it is somethig they need or want. Everyone wants what the other guy has.

The $1 extra for non-members portrays the club as less inviting vs the club offering goodies up front to membership drawing in non-members to inquire about membership. No it signals we are a strong membership club and that members recieve a good value for their membership dollars. See your post above, its the same thing. They will ask, how do I get a tag, how do I get one of those cool shirts. How do I avoid paying a dollar every time I play? As it is now a non-member has every advantage of a member, except for voting. The $1 off plastic is a joke. We need to make membership something they want, not something we have to sell.

I offer something a little different every time and not all of it is big value but I don�t think the CS25 tag holders mind. They just like the sense of privilege.

I don't know if I can compete with your scratch lotto deal because if someone won big I would insist on a percentage. :)

I can't afford to do that every week but I'll always have something different.

a dry fit shirt and a towell would be cool with me. I just want something like what WAFDA has. Didn't mean to stir the pot.

A HUGE thanks to Bill "Slim" Moyers! He has worked with me all today via email and we just about have the tee signs kocked out for Centennial. Well almost, still a little ways to go.

Thanks Bill!

Well I don’t know. I still like the 2 tier membership. If the guy doesn’t want to pay for the shirt he shouldn’t have to pay for it.

I got in when the Lifer membership was cheap so I don’t have to renew or pay every year. As a lifer I would want the shirt once but probably every year after that I would just want the tag and would be willing to pay $10 for it.

Bumping the non-members up a dollar is a touchy subject when you consider the way it is now, the club probably brings in more $1 per player fees from non-members than it does in membership fees.

Out of the 400+ members listed on the TDSA member page there is a large percent of lifers and of those that renew every year you have only about 33 or so that show current.

Obviously a major majority of those listed on the site have moved away from the sport though.

It's funny though because you've got guys like Leroy Finning and others that is not a current member but have bought a CS25 bag tag.

little confused about my payout :
ace pot 101
ctp- got a 14 dollar disc was 19.00 pot
1st place in division 4$.

Shouldn't I have a 9$ credit not 4, just checking.

Don't question the td hinds!!!! :)

little confused about my payout :
ace pot 101
ctp- got a 14 dollar disc was 19.00 pot
1st place in division 4$.

Shouldn't I have a 9$ credit not 4, just checking.

No you shouldn't and you're lucky I give credits, I'm the only TD in town that does, I could have stuck you with two new pencils and a mini marker.

First off Brian, its pretty petty of you to inquire about 4 dollars when you only put in $8 and took home a new disc ($14), have $5 credit and $101 in ace money. But since you ask. The CTP is NEVER a 100% payout nor is your entry. 20% of your entry is taken out and 20% of the CTP is also taken out. It has been that way at every mini you have ever played at any course and NEVER assume everyone gets in the CTP. some don't.

Sorry but if it were me I'd be happy to take home a new disc and a $100 in my pocket. And if you'd have been on my card you'd have been paying me $5 for the reverse 51.

twoputt I like your membership idea. I would be the first to sign up!!!

No you shouldn't and you're lucky I give credits, I'm the only TD in town that does, I could have stuck you with two new pencils and a mini marker.

First off Brian, its pretty petty of you to inquire about 4 dollars when you only put in $8 and took home a new disc ($14), have $5 credit and $101 in ace money. But since you ask. The CTP is NEVER a 100% payout nor is your entry. 20% of your entry is taken out and 20% of the CTP is also taken out. It has been that way at every mini you have ever played at any course and NEVER assume everyone gets in the CTP. some don't.

Sorry but if it were me I'd be happy to take home a new disc and a $100 in my pocket. And if you'd have been on my card you'd have been paying me $5 for the reverse 51.

I was just asking, dont get bent out of shape. And I will NEVER agree to or pay someone else for hitting an ace, thats just dumb. And btw I didn't ask anyone on my card to pay me !!! The reason I asked about the end payout was because I wanted you to explain it to me. Not coming after you on an attack. I told you 3 times to just take my leftover 5 from my disc as a donation and you told me NO, said wait and combine it with my placing score and roll it to next week. Thats what you told me !!!

and it's BR Y AN, no I. you got it right 2/3 times posting the scores.

Why would I not get bent? Have I ever shorted anyone?
Have I not tried to make sure everyone gets something more?
Am I not the only TD that runs credits for the players so they are not stuck with 3 minis to round out their payout?

You were asking about a whole $4 after you had just won over $120 for your $8 investment.
Face it, you were questioning my payout in a public forum instead of sending me a PM where I could have explained it to you so that you understand how payouts work.
Sorry brYan but I take pride in my numbers being correct, heck I even throw in extras a lot just to make sure it is a good value for the players. I kicked in $30 out of my own pocket that night. So now you might understand why I would get bent over someone thinking they got shorted $4, when I just handed them over $100.

Now that I know your stance on the 51 game, I won't feel bad not paying you when you hit an ace if I'm on your card. Its just common to most players that have been around for a while. If you hit basket or above, thats a $1 your way. If you get an ace in a casual round, then you get $5 from each player on your card. BUT, if you hit a paid ace pot, the 51 reverses and you give each person on your card $5.
Its a karma thing, I doubt you'd understand.

No hard feelings, just wanted you to know why I got bent as you put it.
If you have a question the pertains to just you then maybe try sending a PM next time.

It's funny though because you've got guys like Leroy Finning and others that is not a current member but have bought a CS25 bag tag.

You just proved my point.........................

Leroy thought the tag was a good value. I guess he doesn't feel that way about a club membership.


Sorry Dog, but as it is now, our club memberships are a JOKE!
I won't even renew with the current system. Why should I?
I get everything you and every other current member get.

Am I not the only TD that runs credits for the players so they are not stuck with 3 minis to round out their payout?


Hey Butthead, I credit players so you're not the only one.

Quit trying to take credit for my ideas. :(

Your ideas, who the hell do you think you told you to do it?

I suppose now that the naming of "Moose Run' Is all yours now too.:cool:

No, I'll give you that one but what about Furdog's needs????

Where is the plaque or stone with my name on it???

I have a stone with your name on it. I just haven't been close enough to properly present it to you.:eek: :cool:

geez you two. just get it over with and make out already. :-P

Why would I not get bent? Have I ever shorted anyone?
Have I not tried to make sure everyone gets something more?
Am I not the only TD that runs credits for the players so they are not stuck with 3 minis to round out their payout?

You were asking about a whole $4 after you had just won over $120 for your $8 investment.
Face it, you were questioning my payout in a public forum instead of sending me a PM where I could have explained it to you so that you understand how payouts work.
Sorry brYan but I take pride in my numbers being correct, heck I even throw in extras a lot just to make sure it is a good value for the players. I kicked in $30 out of my own pocket that night. So now you might understand why I would get bent over someone thinking they got shorted $4, when I just handed them over $100.

Now that I know your stance on the 51 game, I won't feel bad not paying you when you hit an ace if I'm on your card. Its just common to most players that have been around for a while. If you hit basket or above, thats a $1 your way. If you get an ace in a casual round, then you get $5 from each player on your card. BUT, if you hit a paid ace pot, the 51 reverses and you give each person on your card $5.
Its a karma thing, I doubt you'd understand.

No hard feelings, just wanted you to know why I got bent as you put it.
If you have a question the pertains to just you then maybe try sending a PM next time.

The treats and furdog have let me roll over credit as well as Joyle deering so, NO you are not the only one in town who does that. You are correct I should have asked you in a pm, didn't think about it until it was too late, I.E. Hindsight 2020 :) Thank you for putting in your own money, thank you for having scratcher cards, that is one of the reasons I TRIED to donate to you. I really do appreciate all you do even if you don't feel it is recipricated. Have a great day.

P.S. I know what 51 is I pay out all the time on it. I just thought you were making the Reverse 51 thing up. And knowing who you are you can see why I thought that, Being a prankster and all.

well ask around, anytime there is an ace pot worth hitting we always play reverse. That way the guy that hits it can spread the karma around with the people on his card. its not a mandatory thing, just kind of an understanding with the old timers.

Now, since you were confused maybe some others are. So I'll lay it out for all.

For an Am entry of $7
$4 to payout
$1 to TDSA
$1 to ace pot ( ace pot money may be split with half going to re-seed)
$1 CTP (80% goes to payout and 20% to the TDSA

Pro Entry
$12
$9 to payout
$1 to TDSA
ace pot and ctp are the same as for the ams.

I run the same payouts, except the money designated for the TDSA stays at Centennial for improvements.

Any free CTP or extras are either donated or I cover them,noe of this comes from your entries.

Like I said before no hard feelings.

I run the same payouts, except the money designated for the TDSA stays at Centennial for improvements.


It's been a month. Where are the improvements?

Alternate pin placement poles were bought, painted and installed. 4 new benches being installed in August. Tee signs all being painted and installed.
Directional markers (pavers) scheduled to go in next week.

So whats been done to improve Moose Run lately, other than geting the last two baskets installed?

:):)

Well since insist you were not were not at the Mountain Glide then I guess you didn't see the 8-9 trash cans they put on the course without having to ask players or the TDSA to pay for them.

You didn't see the piles of gravel they have delivered for the new parking lot that the players and TDSA don't have to pay for.

They moved # 14 to a new location in one day without the help of the TDSA.

I believe the TDSA is going to donate the old tee signs from Riverside which means they will match the old ones.

Your benches better be by tee-pads buddy or I won't consider it a course improvement. :)

I'll be sure to make that happen, your opinion of the course is valued so highly.:cool:
Without your input on what goes on in Owasso, I guess we'd be lost.:cool:

You bring so much positive input to our mprovements.:rolleyes:

Hey I�m not saying your improvements aren�t good. It just seems like Centennial is still a new underdeveloped park considering the large retail development that�s been going on around Owasso now days. I�m sure they have plans for more parking in the future but other than the pond, a playground, 1 shelter and bathroom, the largest part of the land use before you started was just a walking trail.

Installing the course was good because it established a use that didn�t exist before. I believe the majority of walkers out there really like the idea and probably feel safer. Yeah occasionally they might see some DG�er relieving himself by a tree but that brings culture to the park.

Chandler is an old established park and with all the picnic tables, pool, baseball, and now a new rec center, will always see more public traffic. It�s a park that most longtime Tulsan�s have memories of when they were growing up. It also has more wildlife and chances of seeing something other snakes are better.

Unfortunately with more traffic comes a wider variety of undesirables. I can�t help that.

I believe if Centennial had more access, shelters, and picnic tables you would probably see more of that also but probably never as much as the Hillbilly Westside.

When you talk about improvements for the course itself it�s great but I believe some of that money will ultimately go to more park ammenity�s not directly related to DG simply because the park really needs more development and access for the basic public in general. It would be nice if the mother who plops her butt down on a bench by the playground, or the walker who stopped to rest on a bench knew that DG�ers had a part in bringing that to the park.

In general as a DG�er I don�t really care for more general public development because I don�t want them in the way of my shot.

What I would really like to see out there other than what you are already doing would be better or closer parking access at the back of the course and maybe some type of water access maybe by the barn or something.

There will be no closer parking at the back of the park. There is a housing addition there. There will be no parking by the barn, that is private property that backs up to it. There will be pakring closer to the playground but thats it. It is what it is. When or if the economy comes back, the front side of the park by holes 4 5 and 6 will have a housing addition there also.

While not having the parking right on top of the course seems to be a problem, I look at it as an advantage, for the reasons you mentioned. Less crowding on the course itself. We have an area designated as parking for tournaments but thats only for a major tournament, not minis.

We will continue to strive to make the course as nice as possible, with what we have. But it will always be a short walk to hole 1 and it will always be a course that you don't come back through at hole 9, you will have to play all 18 before coming back in. No one ever seemed to gripe about that at Black Hawk or Hunter, same thing. And if this design keeps away the "hillbillys" as you call them, then fine. They don't respect anything we do anyhow. Proof of that is evident by the trash they leave all over the course.

And most of all I don't care where it ranks in your list of courses or anyone else's list. I did this so that there would be another course available to all, but mostly available to the many golfers that live in and around Owasso. I know that since it has gone in, I have played a grand total of 3 rounds of golf in Tulsa in the last 2 months. This saves me money, time and allows me to play more often with just a moments notice.

Dude!!!...Don't get all bent. :(

I didn't know about all the future housing projects going in.

I just thought Owasso had bigger plans for the public as a whole.

According the parks web site they charge $25 for the first 2 hrs and $10 per hour after that to rent that shelter. How can they think anyone would want to rent that thing if they have to cart everything 2 blocks. Obviously I guess if you rent it then you cleared to drive on the path I guess.

If you don't want beer cans on your course then don't put in trash cans because the Hillbilly's only dump their cans on the ground when there is a trash can close by.

And it's not just Chandler because they do it at Mohawk and Hunter also. You can't say they won't do it in Owasso sooner or later also.

If they do, they'll get turned in before they get out of the park. I keep trying to tell everyone, that when you are out there, you are being watched. Could be walkers/joggers or the houses that back to the course. All I did was park in the back and the law rolled in. Everyone thinks I'm exagerating about the police in this town....I'm NOT! If you question me, just pick up the Owasso Reporter and read the copies of the police calls and what people called them about.
Don't even let your dog out without a leash, that will cost you $50 the first time and if it goes to a third time, you may have to surrender the animal.

Well that's good because while the cops waste their time watching out for beer drinkers they won't be around to stop the home burglary's of the neighboring houses. :)

Maybe you should work a deal with the cops and the city for a $ percentage of funds paid by all those who get arrested. You could even become a spokesman for the neighborhood watch. :)

Don't let Hinds find out because if he gets PO'd he'll threaten every jogger's car and home owner out there. With all those cars parked in the same lot chances are by vandalizing all of them you'll get revenge on the narc.

IMO, the die hard beer drinker will use a cozie and be more likely to dump his empty on the course for fear of being caught throwing them in the trash can at the parking lot.

I suspect that sooner or later a few heads will be pulled over for suspicion also because if there are no criminals in Owasso as you say then the city can only subsidize it's income by nabbing all of the sinners coming in from Tulsa.

Probably see it all on an episode of "Cops" someday. :)

They make a significant income from out of towners.

thanks for the breakdown. :)

He is BS'ing you Hinds.

He ripped you off and doesn't want you to know.

On top of that, his little pug dogs chew up discs.

I saw them chewing up one with your name on it the last time I went over to his house.

I know what kind of car he drives if you're interested in a little payback. :)

Keep pushing it and I'll make another delivery to your driveway, but this time you won't be able to get around it.:eek:

What??...You can still afford to pay the up keep on that horse under an Obama administration?

I'll bet you're hoping for some of that free Government Horse Health care to come your way , eh???

I thought you sold it to that "Steak-2-Go" place. :confused:

I also have a pug and know that they aren't as capable of doing damage to a disk as say a, Black Lab. It's funny your trying to start stuff with me and Wise though. I am perfectly capable of running my mouth on my own thank you. :)

I wish I was going to be at the Mountain tonight to harass you some but alas I dont have the 12 to spare and still pay my stupid tdsa fee. It's like the TDSA represents another branch of the goverment, now they are trying to get in my pocket as well :) Thought this was supposed to be a cheap sport ? Oh well gotta give money to make money.

Just throw down a spike strip behind his tires at night. When furdog goes to work he may have to thumb it in. :0

He is way more fearfull of what I can deliver than he is of a spike strip.

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I also have a pug and know that they aren't as capable of doing damage to a disk as say a, Black Lab. It's funny your trying to start stuff with me and Wise though. I am perfectly capable of running my mouth on my own thank you. :)

I wish I was going to be at the Mountain tonight to harass you some but alas I dont have the 12 to spare and still pay my stupid tdsa fee. It's like the TDSA represents another branch of the goverment, now they are trying to get in my pocket as well :) Thought this was supposed to be a cheap sport ? Oh well gotta give money to make money.

Well you need to stay in Am because your quote of "Anyone can hang with the PRO's at Chandler" doesn't work for you.

And don't complain about about paying $12 to the TDSA because right now "Dave's World" is charging you $13 or $14 when you add the simpathy mullies.

He invested $8 at my course and took home over $120 value.

Top that and he might take that Looooong drive to Berryhill.

Joe Carter paid $7 and won $159 without the CTP supplement. :)

I don't know if I'd advertise that if I were you. Letting those guys bag against everyone else and then paying them that much on top of their winnings look real fishy.:eek: It almost gives the impression the TD is in on it.

He is way more fearfull of what I can deliver than he is of a spike strip.

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You shouldn't even be going here anymore because you and I both know what a nuke fest that turned out to be with you bringing "the women" into it.

I admit my response was over the top and I apoligized for it but that should tell you not to mess with a drunk's driveway and don't place your woman or my woman on the chess board.

Horse crap in the yard would have brought more controlled response and if I had thought about it before I went ballistic and called, I would have said nothing and both you and Julie would have been welcomed to work the next morning with 3 five gallon buckets of used clumped cat pooh on the doorstep to your office because you know there was no way I was going waste the gas and drive the extra miles to your house.

You would have be able to clean your whole office with the ammonia generated from that and I'm sure the other tenants in your office complex would have loved the two of you for it.

Be happy that I consider you to be an equal Superpower and let's leave the "drive bys" out of it. :)

I don't know if I'd advertise that if I were you. Letting those guys bag against everyone else and then paying them that much on top of their winnings look real fishy.:eek: It almost gives the impression the TD is in on it.

Well just like Obama, the cop, and the professor, Joe and I did go have a couple of beers afterwards. :)

Unfortunately not at the White House though.

Don't tell me about baggers either because you let Shane Gray bag in Advanced on Tuesday after Mike and I both told him to move up.

I may have let him play advance but you didn't see the card I put him on and he DIDN'T cash, so you can just back off that one.

You are smarter than you look. You can act like there would be total revenge from anything I do but the truth is you can't hold a candle to what I'm capable of. While you may have superiority here on the board with your antics and your rants, you don't stand a chance when it comes to real life Spy vs Spy. How soon you forget the one time you hinted of an attack. I didn't waste any time and launched a
pre-emptive strike. Which was very successfull I might add and quieted you down for a while. You're like North Korea, big talk, big threats but deep down you know I could just nuke you at any time, with no remorse and go play golf afterwards.

But, you're right, we shouldn't do that. The collateral damge could be more to bare than most of those around us could handle.:cool:

North Korea???

I'm more like the video you watch and seven days later your TV comes on and some evil ghost steps out of your TV screen and raids your frig, drinks your liquor, and steals your remote control. :)

I'm more like the guy that turns loose a pig and goat in your house after you leave for work and calls animal control before you get home.:)

Well you need to stay in Am because your quote of "Anyone can hang with the PRO's at Chandler" doesn't work for you.

And don't complain about about paying $12 to the TDSA because right now "Dave's World" is charging you $13 or $14 when you add the simpathy mullies.

Better check your records. I believe I have one pro up thier more than once. I would be ridiculed if I played adv and you know that.

I played advanced at Centennial since we have started so your estimate is also off. I have paid no more than 8 at that park.

Chandler Results for Thursday July 31st.

25 Players /

Pro:
Willie Spoon 40 / $38
Leroy Finning 42 / $25
Sam Nielsen 45
Johnny T. 45
Seth Cook 45
Bobby Barnes 47
Mike Connors 48

Advanced:
Kenny (Casual) Adams 44 / $ 13 (Next week, move up or play crappy.)
Snakeskin 47 / $3
Joe Carter 51
Pops Hindshaw 60

Am:
Brian Whited 48 / $14
Phillip Dolan 50 / $6
Derrick Moore 54
Hunter Kuske 54
Justin Bond 55

Am Women:
Alyssa Merrit 48 / $12 cash
Sarah Slane 54 / $5 cash
Carolyn McCarty 59 / $5 cash

Novice:
Jason Karimi 51 / $14
Kota Hart 53 / $6 in a throw off.
Charlie Spoon / 53
Chris Rudy / 55
Beau Jenkinson 59

Junior:
Dustin Mays 65 / $8 & Free CS Shirt
Caleb Acosta 74 / $5 & Free CS Shirt

Paid CTP:
Sam Nielsen # 12 / $16 cash

Bag Tag CTP:
Bobby Barnes # 1 $12 (Merch)

A real “AAA” TD puts his results in the newspaper so all you winners will find your names there.

Thanks to all that came out.

[QUOTE=sschumacher;1387914]Chandler Results for Thursday July 31st.

SCOTT....THE 31ST WAS FRIDAY....????

Whatever!!!

TONIGHT!!!
Owasso Centennial Park
Flex starts begin at 5:30 through 6:30

Tonight you will once again play a new layout. I have tried to make it so that during the minis you don't play the exact same course twice. We will have some added OB rules tonight, nothing severe. I just want to see what the hole scoring averages are with the OB included.
With this layout tonight I will off two mulligans for $2. We will have another free CTP worth more than the paid CTP.

Ace pot starts tonight at $51.

Hole placement for tonight.
1- L
2 -S
3-L
4-L
5
6-S
7-L
8-L
9-S
10-L
11-L
12
13-S
14-S
15-L
16-L
17-L
18-M

I look forward to seeing everyone out there.

Just for tonight -If you played at Worlds In KC and you FINISHED, then your entry tonight is covered by me. All you will need is your mulligans, CTP and Ace Pot. This goes for the Pro division also. Congratulations to all those that competed at worlds and a HUGE congratulations to JOE ROTAN our new ADV Masters WORLD CHAMP!!!!!!

Dude, how is someone supposed to get a true idea of what they shoot out there if you keep changing the course and adding different OB every week? :confused:

On top of that you've got mullies also.

Seems like the only time you will ever get a true rating is when you do the all long and all short without mullies at your Centennial Cup.

Dude, how would you know anything about it. You offer the same vanilla cone every week to your players. Same ol, same ol. Don't you worry your little head about it, I have it all under control. There is much more to running a course than just showing up 5 minutes before it starts. By the time I'm done with the mini season, I will be able to start a handicap league out there. Do you even know what a league is?
I will have scores for players on every hole position, with or without mulligans and how they rate against the other players.

Are you starting to understand? Once a player has established a handicap, then he can go head to head against Coda or Devan on a somewhat level playing field. No we're not using ratings. Those are just a measuring device. The handicaps will be specific to Centennial. After the Monday minis are over, I want to start a Sunday morning handicap league. We could play around 9:30. That way it wouldn't conflict with a 1 or 2 o'clock mini some where else.

Now, go spend the morning trying to figure out how you can put a negative spin or trash this effort. Just so you know, it is getting really old that all you can find to do is try to bring down what we are doing out here. Maybe if you spent half as much time worrying about Centennial and put that effort towards Chandler, you could get some stuff done out there.:eek:

Hey Dipwad, I just asked a couple of simple questions.

Don't get all defensive about it.

And your knocks on me being there 5min before starting time just shows how little you know because you haven't been out there lately which is fine with me.

As for vanilla ice cream, let me know when you have 70+ people show up at one of your minis.

Why woudn't I be defensive? I tried to explain that on the phone to you ibut you wouldn't quit mumbling enough to listen.:cool:


Wow, on time 2 out of 30, GIVE HIM A MEDAL!

I wouldn't throw around those 70 numbers. You havent had that since before Chandler and your numbers have been going down every week. Maybe thats what you should be concentrating on. :confused:

If you want to give me more crap about it, then come out tonight and I'll squeeze your head!:rolleyes:

What? You don't want to tell me how a handicap league won't work either?

TONIGHT!!!
Owasso Centennial Park
Flex starts begin at 5:30 through 6:30

Tonight you will once again play a new layout. I have tried to make it so that during the minis you don't play the exact same course twice. We will have some added OB rules tonight, nothing severe. I just want to see what the hole scoring averages are with the OB included.
With this layout tonight I will off two mulligans for $2. We will have another free CTP worth more than the paid CTP.

Ace pot starts tonight at $51.

Hole placement for tonight.
1- L
2 -S
3-L
4-L
5
6-S
7-L
8-L
9-S
10-L
11-L
12
13-S
14-S
15-L
16-L
17-L
18-M

I look forward to seeing everyone out there.

Just for tonight -If you played at Worlds In KC and you FINISHED, then your entry tonight is covered by me. All you will need is your mulligans, CTP and Ace Pot. This goes for the Pro division also. Congratulations to all those that competed at worlds and a HUGE congratulations to JOE ROTAN our new ADV Masters WORLD CHAMP!!!!!!


Bump

I need two volunteers to play the mini with me tonight. Barring any craziness with work this afternoon, I plan on being out there around 6:00.

There is a catch, besides with having to suffer through 18 holes of errant drives, blow-by putts, and fake optimism by me.

I will be sketching rough layouts of each hole for the new tee signs I am drawing up for the TD. Could use a couple of "veterans" to taga long with me to lend a helping hand.

The bonus is a sneak peek at the template for the new tee signs. The area hasn't seen anything like these!

Slim, after I get all the cards out on the course, I will come out and help you with it. If I have time today, I'll try to get ahead a little and get some rough drafts done, in advance of you getting there.

Thanks!

sure thing bud, i'll have as much done as i can on the signs printed out when i get out there so all we will do is sketch right on the signs, making it easier for me to add when i get back up to the office.

you should have pdf's of all 18 signs by tomorrow afternoon.

should i post our rough draft and give everyone a sneak peek? :)