We just published the first of a long list of features being converted from the old website. I have been doing most of the coding, and I would like to get direct feedback on any issues that anyone runs into with the new functionality.

As you probably know, we're not operating under the best circumstances. While we would have like to have had more time to implement the new site and test it, circumstances beyond our control have forced us to launch then new site earlier than planned. We are asking for your help and patience in getting things back in order as fast as possible. On this thread, I am looking for constructive feedback, and I would personally appreciate it if you refrain from negative or off-topic posts.

Thanks again for your patience and understanding. This has been a very challenging situation.

Theo Pozzy

Here are details on what we just published. Please reply or send me a private message with any problems or feedback.

The top priority was to get the schedule, tournament results, and player statistics, including ratings, back online. That's what we have done. The main way to get to it is from the PDGA Tour/Schedule link on the menu bar. If you want to link to the PDGA schedule, the URL is: http://www.pdga.com/tour-schedule (note: this is now the preferred link to get to the PDGA online schedule).

From there, you can click on an event, or on the trophy or book icons to get results (official or unofficial) or registration. From those pages, you can click on a player to get a player's statistics, including ratings history and details.

We don't have the member search page up yet, but if you want to get to your own (or someone else's) stats, you can replace your PDGA number into the following URL:

http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=12626&year=2008 (I had to pick somebody, so I chose the leader in the World Rankings - my stats suck!).

Note that our main goal was getting the functionality online. We realize that the formatting of some of the pages could use some work. While we're looking for problems and feedback, we don't need details on minor things like alignment of fields, etc. The priority is fixing anything that isn't working.

Thanks again for you help and understanding as we work hard to get the site back and move it forward!

-Theo

2 weeks???

till we are back to full functions>???

OK, I realize these aren't the problems you were looking for, just formatting:

The Updates window is getting in the way of displaying the results on bigger events such as Pro Worlds with ratings displayed. It's floating over the far right columns. It also looks like the last digit of the payouts is partially clipped on IE7 on all events.

Looking at individual stats, the Date(s) column needs to be wider so it doesn't wrap and make each event use two rows. The Prize column is also clipped a little on the right.

2 weeks???

till we are back to full functions>???



If I could clone myself a few times, it might be two weeks, but that's not going to happen. We'll try to get the member search, course directory and tournament admin (event results upload) features going as soon as possible, and maybe within the next two weeks. Other less important features are going to take a little while longer.

-Theo

OK, I realize these aren't the problems you were looking for, just formatting:

The Updates window is getting in the way of displaying the results on bigger events such as Pro Worlds with ratings displayed. It's floating over the far right columns. It also looks like the last digit of the payouts is partially clipped on IE7 on all events.

Looking at individual stats, the Date(s) column needs to be wider so it doesn't wrap and make each event use two rows. The Prize column is also clipped a little on the right.



Chuck - I recorded your feedback in the work queue.

-Theo

Yeah - what Chuck said.

The stats page for Worlds also shows the scores lining up underneath the Updates module in Firefox. On the other hand, one thing that is a big bonus from the last site is that clicking on round ratings does not change the score tables to show up outside the pixel margins of the current template - which of course is a benefit of the new larger pixel margins.

Even though you have the tournament data uploaded we are still unable to get into the tournament admin area and upload scores. Either that or the password that was provided and worked before no longer works under the current security situation.

The stats and tournament pages look much better and more professional with the current color scheme and the addition of more vertical space in-between the data tables.

A suggestion: With all of the new pixel space underneath the "Updates" area when viewing stats and results information, could there perhaps be a new module created underneath "Updates" that includes a list of next weeks tournaments or an excerpt from a recent tournament article or etc etc? It seems like a valid space for extra information that people might find worthy of traveling to from those types of pages.

Thanks for all of your hard work...very happy to have the player stats back up in order to research interview subjects...

One more thing:

This new URL at:
http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=12626&year=2008

means the old URL at:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=12626&year=2007

has been totally replaced and will not re-direct to the new stats page?

More later...

Yeah - what Chuck said.

The stats page for Worlds also shows the scores lining up underneath the Updates module in Firefox. On the other hand, one thing that is a big bonus from the last site is that clicking on round ratings does not change the score tables to show up outside the pixel margins of the current template - which of course is a benefit of the new larger pixel margins.

Even though you have the tournament data uploaded we are still unable to get into the tournament admin area and upload scores. Either that or the password that was provided and worked before no longer works under the current security situation.



The tournament admin area is near the top of my list to work on. It's a very complicated set of pages, however, so it's going to take a while before it's converted and tested thoroughly.



The stats and tournament pages look much better and more professional with the current color scheme and the addition of more vertical space in-between the data tables.

A suggestion: With all of the new pixel space underneath the "Updates" area when viewing stats and results information, could there perhaps be a new module created underneath "Updates" that includes a list of next weeks tournaments or an excerpt from a recent tournament article or etc etc? It seems like a valid space for extra information that people might find worthy of traveling to from those types of pages.



That's where some of the advertising is going to be! And yes, we can add other "blocks" (the Drupal terminology) on the right.



Thanks for all of your hard work...very happy to have the player stats back up in order to research interview subjects...

One more thing:

This new URL at:
http://www.pdga.com/player-stats?PDGANum=12626&year=2008

means the old URL at:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=12626&year=2007
has been totally replaced and will not re-direct to the new stats page?

More later...


It's on the list to set up redirects for all the important old URLs, so that links from search engines, other sites, forums, etc. aren't broken.

Thanks for the feedback!

-Theo

the javascript in the menu system needs some delay before mouseover 'off state', it quite often disappears before I can even get my mouse to the first item in the menu!

I've resorted to right clicking on the right side of the menu item which freezes the submenu so I can select an option.

Theo, it doesn't seem to be so for everyone, but my signature in DISCussion is not appearing (in my browsers anyway, in posts today), even though it is properly set up. Noting the paucity of signatures in other posts, I wonder if this might not be some formatting issue?

. . . . Well, it worked that time :)

There are also some CSS issues - seems that many tables are repeating bullet points (one set inside table, then one custom set outside table), should be an easy fix to find that duplication in the CSS.

One other question:

Will the pdga.org URL not be used anymore?

the javascript in the menu system needs some delay before mouseover 'off state', it quite often disappears before I can even get my mouse to the first item in the menu!


Jebb,

Can you confirm that you are using IE7? If so, we've already created a ticket for that problem. It seems to work fine in Firefox!

-Theo

Theo, it doesn't seem to be so for everyone, but my signature in DISCussion is not appearing (in my browsers anyway, in posts today), even though it is properly set up. Noting the paucity of signatures in other posts, I wonder if this might not be some formatting issue?

. . . . Well, it worked that time :)



Terry,

That's the first I've heard of that. It looks like most people have signatures. Let me know if it happens consistently for you.

-Theo

One other question:

Will the pdga.org URL not be used anymore?



Thanks for catching that. We'll get the pdga.org and pdga.net domains redirecting to pdga.com the way they used to.

-Theo

What new features will be added to the new site? I see videos and such and it looks like its a bit easier to display stories and such on the front page, but other than those things and it just looking different, is there really a big difference between the old site and the new site?

There are also some CSS issues - seems that many tables are repeating bullet points (one set inside table, then one custom set outside table), should be an easy fix to find that duplication in the CSS.



Jebb,

Can you please send me a link with an example?

Thanks,
-Theo

Robert,
From our interview with Theo:

"One of the key reasons for choosing Drupal over some of the other top candidates was the security model, which includes sophisticated authentication (passwords) and authorization (roles) support. This will allow us, in future updates to the platform, to create classes of users, including current PDGA members, tournament directors, staff, non-members, etc. We can then allow different levels of access to the site based on your role. This will finally enable us to give current members access to statistics for all members, although it will require them to log in to the site."

Also,

"As I mentioned in earlier responses, our initial launch is focusing on getting the current functionality working in the new site, and then we�ll be looking at new functionality. We have a long laundry list we�ve accumulated over the years, so there are plenty of ideas to pick from!"

http://www.1000rated.com/2008/09/new-pdga-web-site/

What new features will be added to the new site? I see videos and such and it looks like its a bit easier to display stories and such on the front page, but other than those things and it just looking different, is there really a big difference between the old site and the new site?


There is a big list of website enhancements that we have been waiting for a real content management system platform for to move ahead with. It's a long-term project, and our first goal is to get all the old content and functionality moved over. Then we'll start working on major new enhancements. Some of the big items are:

1. A unified login between the message board and the website. This will likely be coordinated with replacing the current message board with one that is more tightly integrated with Drupal.

2. A new course directory that uses Drupal technology.

3. Different levels of content for different classes of users. An example would be allowing current members to view anyone's statistics. Another example would be allowing TDs to manage their tournaments, without requiring a separate event login.

There are a lot more ideas, and we welcome any input from the disc golf community!

-Theo

I see videos and such and it looks like its a bit easier to display stories and such on the front page, but other than those things and it just looking different, is there really a big difference between the old site and the new site?


As I understand it, one big difference will be in the content management where the text, data, photos and videos are essentially independent of the formatting you see displayed. Since many of our docs change regularly like say the World Rankings, they used to have to reformat them each time to display them. Now, I believe they just need to change the text, doc or the photo and the website software will format it so it looks OK without the extra work. So it might not be a benefit to us in what we see but the chance to see new information quicker. I also understand we'll be able to have levels of logins so they can set up certain parts of the site for member access only.

Sounds great! As a TD, I know I look forward to that!

Thanks for the quick and prompt reply. Now, get back to work :D

I was just looking at some older tournament stats and I see some font issues from longer tournament names (the words on the first row are overlapping with the ones from the 2nd row).

I also see some issues with dollar amounts being cut off on the results.

BTW, I am using IE7

I see videos and such and it looks like its a bit easier to display stories and such on the front page, but other than those things and it just looking different, is there really a big difference between the old site and the new site?


As I understand it, one big difference will be in the content management where the text, data, photos and videos are essentially independent of the formatting you see displayed. Since many of our docs change regularly like say the World Rankings, they used to have to reformat them each time to display them. Now, I believe they just need to change the text, doc or the photo and the website software will format it so it looks OK without the extra work. So it might not be a benefit to us in what we see but the chance to see new information quicker. I also understand we'll be able to have levels of logins so they can set up certain parts of the site for member access only.



To add to Chuck's comment, the web interface for publishing content is very easy to use, allowing the office to use many people to edit the site, rather than requiring someone familiar with PHP scripts and HTML to do it. Now David Gentry will be able to get help from the office staff and other volunteers, which will lead to more content being published more frequently.

-Theo

I was just looking at some older tournament stats and I see some font issues from longer tournament names (the words on the first row are overlapping with the ones from the 2nd row).

I also see some issues with dollar amounts being cut off on the results.

BTW, I am using IE7



Can you (and anyone else reporting specific issues) please include a link when you find something like this? That will help us reproduce the problem more quickly!

Thanks,
-Theo

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7386

to confirm, using IE7

Here's the double-bullet issue, looks like some divs and/or ul items just have extra bullet class definitions which should be removed in the page code where it exists. I know this is low-priority but list-worthy in the long run.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3839/pdgacsslh4.jpg

Also, the link I provided above looks different on Firefox. The numbers from the payout are correct, but the issues with the titles are still there.

I would like to eventually see some more color added to the site, it looks kind of plain right now. Also, it would be great if we could search on players by division and rating rather than just the existing division and points/money.)

Thanks for all the hard work!

When will we be able to upload scores & update registration lists?

When selecting an event and looking at the first page of it before clicking "more...", if you hit the Back button you go into cyberspace and get the "Webpage has expired" page.

For an improvement down the road, I think it would be easier to find events scanning down a calendar page if the 2 letter state or country code had its own field column rather than buried with the city name.

to confirm, using IE7

Here's the double-bullet issue, looks like some divs and/or ul items just have extra bullet class definitions which should be removed in the page code where it exists. I know this is low-priority but list-worthy in the long run.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3839/pdgacsslh4.jpg



I opened a ticket for this issue. It doesn't seem to happen in Firefox.

-Theo

When will we be able to upload scores & update registration lists?



That's a big chuck of work still on my plate. I'm hoping to get to it this weekend.

-Theo

When selecting an event and looking at the first page of it before clicking "more...", if you hit the Back button you go into cyberspace and get the "Webpage has expired" page.

For an improvement down the road, I think it would be easier to find events scanning down a calendar page if the 2 letter state or country code had its own field column rather than buried with the city name.


I tried it and it worked for me. What operating system/browser are you using?

-Theo

This has probably been mentioned, but it would nice to be able to search by group for points. It is getting to that time of the year when every tourney that is played could make a difference in the final points standings. There are six of us in our club who are shooting for the top spot in our respective divisions. It would also be nice to update those events that have sent in the scores and add them to the players stats.

One feature that would be great is to be able to punch in a location and up pops the events that are going to be taking place near that location. I know that people will look for an event when they are on vacation, but this way people could plan vacations around events.

Thank you very much for the hard work. It is nice to see a portion of the site up and running again.

When selecting an event and looking at the first page of it before clicking "more...", if you hit the Back button you go into cyberspace and get the "Webpage has expired" page.
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I tried it and it worked for me. What operating system/browser are you using?


IE7 and WinXP (SP3). It doesn't work whether IE7 launched by itself or within AOL. It works fine using Firefox.

I'm using the Chrome browser almost 100% now (was Firefox) the bullet issue and Chucks 'more back' issue are not apparent. The slight overlap of long titles is happening.

I can't recreate Chucks issue in IE7 this morning either.

Thanks for your work Volunteers.

I recreated Chuck's issue. Make sure to choose a particular month and click on "Go", click an event and then click the back button. It is an issue with the way the form is being submitted (Post). IE doesn't like to save the previous state for whatever reason. If you hit refresh on that "can't be found page" it'll ask you if you want to resubmit the form and then you'll be back to the previous list. Other browsers just automatically resubmit it for you.

If you change the form method to "Get" on that page rather than "Post" you can avoid the problem and another benefit would be that people can easily link directly to a particular month in the event schedule.

One thing i wold like to say is i have Firefox as a browser on my home computer and i am not that impressed with it. of course like probably millions of users who are on this site during the day at work i would assume most are using some form of IE so can we please make this work in both as opposed to oh it works in fire fox so get a new web browser. another website did this (disc golf tv.com) and it was a huge turn off to me. i don't even visit their site anymore. i don't want this to happen to the PDGA website.

I didn't notice anyone say go get Firefox. It looks like the volunteer crew is trying to get the PDGA site to work with more than just the King Microsoft way of doing things.

Thanks for that.

I'm surprised that Google Chrome is working so well in the beta stage.

When selecting an event and looking at the first page of it before clicking "more...", if you hit the Back button you go into cyberspace and get the "Webpage has expired" page.
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I tried it and it worked for me. What operating system/browser are you using?


IE7 and WinXP (SP3). It doesn't work whether IE7 launched by itself or within AOL. It works fine using Firefox.



I have tried it with IE7 on my home Vista laptop and at Work on XP SP2, and I can't reproduce the problem. I clicked on an event in the schedule, then click on "more...", then hit the back button on the browser, and didn't have any problems.

Has anyone else seen this problem?

-Theo

I recreated Chuck's issue. Make sure to choose a particular month and click on "Go", click an event and then click the back button. It is an issue with the way the form is being submitted (Post). IE doesn't like to save the previous state for whatever reason. If you hit refresh on that "can't be found page" it'll ask you if you want to resubmit the form and then you'll be back to the previous list. Other browsers just automatically resubmit it for you.

If you change the form method to "Get" on that page rather than "Post" you can avoid the problem and another benefit would be that people can easily link directly to a particular month in the event schedule.



Got it! Thanks for helping track that one down. I'll create a ticket for it, but it may be a little bit before I can get to it.

-Theo

When selecting an event and looking at the first page of it before clicking "more...", if you hit the Back button you go into cyberspace and get the "Webpage has expired" page.
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I tried it and it worked for me. What operating system/browser are you using?


IE7 and WinXP (SP3). It doesn't work whether IE7 launched by itself or within AOL. It works fine using Firefox.



I have tried it with IE7 on my home Vista laptop and at Work on XP SP2, and I can't reproduce the problem. I clicked on an event in the schedule, then click on "more...", then hit the back button on the browser, and didn't have any problems.

Has anyone else seen this problem?

-Theo



I just got the same result as Chuck with Win XP Pro / IE 6.

I have tried it with IE7 on my home Vista laptop and at Work on XP SP2, and I can't reproduce the problem. I clicked on an event in the schedule, then click on "more...", then hit the back button on the browser, and didn't have any problems.


Theo, it's actually before you click on the "more..." button. Just click to select an event, look at its main page, click the back button and enter cyber-nowhere.

How is your browser set in this dialog?
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6982/tempintfileshz2.jpg

I didn't notice anyone say go get Firefox. It looks like the volunteer crew is trying to get the PDGA site to work with more than just the King Microsoft way of doing things.

Thanks for that.

I'm surprised that Google Chrome is working so well in the beta stage.


That quote was directed to the example i gave for Disc Golf TV.com which was actually pretty close to exactly what they said when they redid their site. Theo who i am sure is doing his best has not been anywhere near that blunt but in his responses it seems he is saying that the problems some people are having is becasue they are using IE. i think the website should work with any browser period. and all this talk about volunteers is confusing i thought the organization payed $30,000 + for this web site.

It's set for Automatically.

.... i think the website should work with any browser period. and all this talk about volunteers is confusing i thought the organization payed $30,000 + for this web site.



I don't know who is getting paid and how much. There may be all paid workers involved with this project. I may be mistaken that much of the PDGA stuff is still done by volunteers. Maybe everyone but us TD's are getting $$$$$$$

I agree that the site should be all browser friendly, even for those minority Safari folks.

Quoting Tim G from above:

I recreated Chuck's issue. Make sure to choose a particular month and click on "Go", click an event and then click the back button. It is an issue with the way the form is being submitted (Post). IE doesn't like to save the previous state for whatever reason. If you hit refresh on that "can't be found page" it'll ask you if you want to resubmit the form and then you'll be back to the previous list. Other browsers just automatically resubmit it for you.
<font color="red">If you change the form method to "Get" on that page rather than "Post" you can avoid the problem and another benefit would be that people can easily link directly to a particular month in the event schedule. </font>

While this is just personal preference (or configuration), I'd like to use the same tab when moving from the main page to Discussion instead of creating a new tab (Firefox &amp; Opera. IE re-uses the tab).

Thanks!

really minor, but when you go to the PDGA Tour tab and mouse down to Tournament Directors, the little text box that tells you "welcome page for all tournament directors" has a misspelling...its spells it as "touranment"

Also will the "information" pages with all the financial information, BOD meeting minutes and all those other very useful documents be back up? I don't even 100% remember how to get there on the old site but they were very useful when writing up proposals and doing other research. (this was also where it listed the BOD members)

P.S. www. PDGARadio.com doesnt link to anywhere anymore, can that please get fixed, I have that site linked from all sorts of places and use it on most of my marketing materials.

That's all for now, I'm sure I'll find more as I keep checking it all out.

i think the website should work with any browser period.


I have been involved with web development since the first commercial browsers came out (remember Netscape 4.7?), and it's really impractical to work with all versions of all browsers. Our goal is to work well with the top browsers. Right now that would be IE6/7, Firefox 2/3 and Safari. Hopefully that will lead to a site that works reasonably well with others (Opera, Chrome, etc.), as well as with the myriad mobile devices out there (Blackberry, iPhone, etc.).

and all this talk about volunteers is confusing i thought the organization payed $30,000 + for this web site.


Our partner, Ciphent, built the Drupal platform and is doing a lot of the work. Conversion of the existing content, however, was to be done by a combination of Ciphent, PDGA staff and volunteer resources.

While this is just personal preference (or configuration), I'd like to use the same tab when moving from the main page to Discussion instead of creating a new tab (Firefox &amp; Opera. IE re-uses the tab).

Thanks!


I just tried it on my system under Firefox 3, and it opens in the same tab. The discussion board and the main site are running on different servers. If your browser automatically opens a new tab for a URL on a different domain, I'm not sure what we can do to prevent that behavior.

-Theo

really minor, but when you go to the PDGA Tour tab and mouse down to Tournament Directors, the little text box that tells you "welcome page for all tournament directors" has a misspelling...its spells it as "touranment"


Noted.

Also will the "information" pages with all the financial information, BOD meeting minutes and all those other very useful documents be back up? I don't even 100% remember how to get there on the old site but they were very useful when writing up proposals and doing other research. (this was also where it listed the BOD members)


Those pages will definitely be back up, but I can't tell you exactly when.

P.S. www. PDGARadio.com doesnt link to anywhere anymore, can that please get fixed, I have that site linked from all sorts of places and use it on most of my marketing materials.

That's all for now, I'm sure I'll find more as I keep checking it all out.



We are trying to get all the domains (www.pdga.org, www.pdgaradio.com (http://www.pdgaradio.com), etc) redirected to the correct places.

-Theo

Robert,
From our interview with Theo:

"One of the key reasons for choosing Drupal over some of the other top candidates was the security model, which includes sophisticated authentication (passwords) and authorization (roles) support. This will allow us, in future updates to the platform, to create classes of users, including current PDGA members, tournament directors, staff, non-members, etc. We can then allow different levels of access to the site based on your role. This will finally enable us to give current members access to statistics for all members, although it will require them to log in to the site."

Also,

"As I mentioned in earlier responses, our initial launch is focusing on getting the current functionality working in the new site, and then we�ll be looking at new functionality. We have a long laundry list we�ve accumulated over the years, so there are plenty of ideas to pick from!"

http://www.1000rated.com/2008/09/new-pdga-web-site/



I like the way you think. PDGA/ADMINS/public, what other groups you got. PDGA member should be able to access other players scores and tournaments. Just look at the PGA site, which you probably already have done.

Peace

PDGA member should be able to access other players scores and tournaments.


This can not be stated strong enough!

any web visitor should be able to access players scores and tournaments.

it should not be limited to members unless we have decided we no longer serve the entire sport.

I think one restriction being considered would be that only members would be able to look at other members (and their own) individual event stats and ratings detail. I don't believe that restricting access to see event results was ever considered, especially since the media among others would (hopefully) need access.

to confirm, using IE7

Here's the double-bullet issue, looks like some divs and/or ul items just have extra bullet class definitions which should be removed in the page code where it exists. I know this is low-priority but list-worthy in the long run.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3839/pdgacsslh4.jpg



I opened a ticket for this issue. It doesn't seem to happen in Firefox.

-Theo



I've seen it mentioned a few times ... this doesn't happen in Firefox ... really nobody who uses IE cares. Given that half all web browser useage is in one form of IE or another, IE should be part of your focus (even though I like Firefox better). Just a lesson learned from my web application development experiences.

My main feature addition that I had hoped for in this version was sorting tournament info by column. Any column can be sorted.
Player Name Sort Alphabetical (currently the player name is a single field, so it'll probably only be alphabetical unless we go to a Last First system.
PDGA# ascending/descending sort.
Player Rating asc/des sort.
First Round Score asc/des sort.
First Round Rating asc/des sort.
Standings after first/second/third round.

While the last one would possibly take a lot of coding, the others are simply sort functions.

Same feature would work well on ratings history and ratings details pages. I've been waiting for this for a few years.

Same feature would work well on ratings history and ratings details pages.


It has been there for Event Name, Dates and Ratings on a player's Rating Detail for several years. In fact, it's still there right now.

More of a suggestion: would be cool to see the State that a player calls home in the tourney results' pages.

Player Stats Screens -

When you navigate from the General Player Stats screen to the Ratings Detail or Ratings History pages, you have to get back to the General Players Stats screen to navigate between them.

All three links used to be listed at the top of each of these 3 pages.

Not sure if someone posted that already...

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.



:D:D:D

Same feature would work well on ratings history and ratings details pages.


It has been there for Event Name, Dates and Ratings on a player's Rating Detail for several years. In fact, it's still there right now.



Wow. not very obvious because there's no underlined link there or a color change. If you can click on it, it should be different color than static text.

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.



I think it would SUCK to see player rating on the discussion board avatar area (unless we can opt out of it), as player rating has nothing to do with discussion. If it ever shows up there, I'll ask that all of my previous posts be removed and that my discussion board posting account be removed. I'm already leery of posting any Worlds 2009 info in here at all (we will have a separate website up soon), except perhaps in a heavily moderated forum thread.

If anyone wants their rating to show on the discussion board, they can post it in their signature. Those of us that don't want it there, shouldn't have to see it there, where it's basically irrelevant to any discussion anyway.

Chap

No player ratings on the message board. Message ratings. That way everyone would strive to be a 1000 rated poster. :)

"as player rating has nothing to do with discussion."

john, most of us know that your insistance on this point is a big part of why it will never again show up on the pdga message board. you have nothing to fear.

the statement i quoted is not always true. advice on technique for example.

i just wish you could make the argument without the threat to remove your account. that makes it sound like you think your account is worth more than the accounts of those who want this feature. i'd say all of our accounts are equal in value to the discussion board.

I just want the little red number indicating how many new posts in a thread to return.

oh, and world peace.

to confirm, using IE7

Here's the double-bullet issue...



I opened a ticket for this issue. It doesn't seem to happen in Firefox.

-Theo



I've seen it mentioned a few times ... this doesn't happen in Firefox ... really nobody who uses IE cares.


people do care but it appears fixed now...?

Is there a button to report posters on the message board? Almost every board I've seen has this.

Third button of the Post Extras on the bottom of each post.

Is there a button to report posters on the message board? Almost every board I've seen has this.



If a PDGA member reads something that they believe should be removed, they should issue a formal complaint to the moderators by clicking the 'Notify Moderators' icon below the post. It is the third icon at the bottom of each post, just to the right of the finger with a string around it. This will trigger and initiate the review process.

This button has always been there.

My main feature addition that I had hoped for in this version was sorting tournament info by column. Any column can be sorted.
Player Name Sort Alphabetical (currently the player name is a single field, so it'll probably only be alphabetical unless we go to a Last First system.
PDGA# ascending/descending sort.
Player Rating asc/des sort.
First Round Score asc/des sort.
First Round Rating asc/des sort.
Standings after first/second/third round.

While the last one would possibly take a lot of coding, the others are simply sort functions.

Same feature would work well on ratings history and ratings details pages. I've been waiting for this for a few years.


This is the type of functionality we get for free (or with simple configuration, anyway). To implement sorting by different columns on the current pages requires custom PHP coding. Once we get the previous site's pages converted "as-is", we'll start working on the longer-term process of reworking the data and display of it into the Drupal framework the "right" way.

-Theo

More of a suggestion: would be cool to see the State that a player calls home in the tourney results' pages.



Displaying the state, province or country has been on the wish list for a while. However, the results display is challenging, as it can get very busy for a major event (eg., Worlds) when ratings are also being displayed.

-Theo

Player Stats Screens -

When you navigate from the General Player Stats screen to the Ratings Detail or Ratings History pages, you have to get back to the General Players Stats screen to navigate between them.

All three links used to be listed at the top of each of these 3 pages.

Not sure if someone posted that already...



I noticed that myself a couple of days ago. I started investigating, but got side-tracked on something else. I'll create a ticket to make sure I get back to it. It should be easy to fix.

Thanks,
-Theo

Same feature would work well on ratings history and ratings details pages.


It has been there for Event Name, Dates and Ratings on a player's Rating Detail for several years. In fact, it's still there right now.



Wow. not very obvious because there's no underlined link there or a color change. If you can click on it, it should be different color than static text.


Agreed. I just opened up a ticket on this issue.

-Theo

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.


How about if we implement a way to show where you are ratings-wise compared to all the other PDGA members?

Is there a button to report posters on the message board? Almost every board I've seen has this.



As we move ahead, especially if we enable comments on things (articles, courses, etc.), we're probably going to implement a self-policing mechanism. That's the way a lot of online social networking sites deal with moderation.

And please, let's not turn this into a discussion about this topic. If you want to debate it, please start a new thread.

-Theo

Any way to get the PM limit raised again? I'd really rather not erase all of the ones I have saved.

Any way to get the PM limit raised again? I'd really rather not erase all of the ones I have saved.


Gary,

It looks like it's set to 200 messages. That seems like a lot to me. I'm not sure why anyone would need to keep more than 200 PMs around.

-Theo

More of a suggestion: would be cool to see the State that a player calls home in the tourney results' pages.



Displaying the state, province or country has been on the wish list for a while. However, the results display is challenging, as it can get very busy for a major event (eg., Worlds) when ratings are also being displayed.

-Theo


this could be done with minimal effort using the scriptaculous js framework to display additional stats on mouseover of a player name ;) something like lightbox or lightwindow come to mind. (google 'em)

I generally kept all of the state coordinator messages around for reference stuff. Before the first reset I had over 1200. I currently have about 400.

Any way to get the PM limit raised again? I'd really rather not erase all of the ones I have saved.


Gary,

It looks like it's set to 200 messages. That seems like a lot to me. I'm not sure why anyone would need to keep more than 200 PMs around.

-Theo


There may be lots of valid reasons to keep them around. however, I cannot think of any valid reasons to limit the number of messages to only 200.

*if* an average PM was 1k in size (that's generous but since it's in the DB, we'll go with that), and *if* there were 20,000 current message board users, all using their full 200-message limit... you're still only talking about 4GB in size which could fit on the SD card in my cell phone.

*please* raise the limit. I've already deleted over 200 messages that I wanted to keep, trying to get below the limit. If you can't do that, then *please* give us an export mechanism so that we may archive them.

More of a suggestion: would be cool to see the State that a player calls home in the tourney results' pages.



Displaying the state, province or country has been on the wish list for a while. However, the results display is challenging, as it can get very busy for a major event (eg., Worlds) when ratings are also being displayed.

-Theo



Another approach... Show their provenance initially, but when round ratings are requested, leave it out. This keeps it from being too busy.

There may be lots of valid reasons to keep them around. however, I cannot think of any valid reasons to limit the number of messages to only 200.


I can. PMs can't be organized. Since I stopped accepting them and relying on email, I can use my email management system to keep track of things much better. I could see eliminating PMs completely, especially since they can legally be made public according to the D-Board policy. It seems like if PMs are used at all, using them for quick messages that are shortlived and have little reason to be saved would be the best use.

one persons needs are not everyones. why impose when there's no technical reason to do so?

Obviously there's a need to limit the number of files regardless of the lack of functionality for some of us. And 200 seems more than necessary, but those in charge are at least OK with that.

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.


How about if we implement a way to show where you are ratings-wise compared to all the other PDGA members?



Cool, thanks Theo.

it would be really cool to see the players rating on the message board avatar area.


How about if we implement a way to show where you are ratings-wise compared to all the other PDGA members?



How about when you go to a player's rating page, the RATING has a link, that will pull up a request by player rating. So you can see the other players you currently are tied with. It's rather hard if you are beyond the third page of PDGA ratings to sift through to find your player ranking and those you are tied with.

To make it even more fun (or informational) you could include up to 10 players just above your rating, and 10 just below stacked above and below your rating range.

It would also be nice to, on that page see the actual ranking among all registered PDGA members, so you can see where you are in the big picture, whole enchilada....

Matt,

You are currently ranked 178th in the world. If you'd like to see the 10 people above you and the 10 people below you, why not visit:

http://www.1000rated.com/990-rated-plus/

We rank up to 275 with our 1000 rated player list and 990-999 rated player list, and then offer a third list of High Amateurs rated 970 and above.

Obviously there's a need to limit the number of files regardless of the lack of functionality for some of us. And 200 seems more than necessary, but those in charge are at least OK with that.


but why the change? Does this newer, faster hardware have less storage space? Also, the PMs are stored in a database. While this doesn't help space-wise, it also doesn't increase the number of files in the manner you seem to be suggesting.

regardless of how useful you may find PMs, I find them extremely useful and would like to continue using them in the manner I have been accustomed to for the past few years. Unless, of course, the PDGA simply wants to remove one more of the few useful things they have left. (yes, that's sarcasm but still).

There's no good technical reason to limit the number of PMs a user can have. so... why are we?

I'm pretty sure that Theo at one time said the number of saved PMs was slowing down the D-Board. In addition, I'm guessing all saved PMs will be wiped out anyway as soon as they switch to whatever new D-Board software they choose.

Obviously there's a need to limit the number of files regardless of the lack of functionality for some of us. And 200 seems more than necessary, but those in charge are at least OK with that.


but why the change? Does this newer, faster hardware have less storage space? Also, the PMs are stored in a database. While this doesn't help space-wise, it also doesn't increase the number of files in the manner you seem to be suggesting.

regardless of how useful you may find PMs, I find them extremely useful and would like to continue using them in the manner I have been accustomed to for the past few years. Unless, of course, the PDGA simply wants to remove one more of the few useful things they have left. (yes, that's sarcasm but still).

There's no good technical reason to limit the number of PMs a user can have. so... why are we?



What does number of PMs have to do with storage size? Generally you'd be limited to an amount of storage not number of emails.

I notice a few small things today. One is that when the site is viewed in IE6 (or perhaps IE in general) there is a 20 pixel area of background space above the header, whereas this is not the case in Firefox 3. Also, in IE it seems that when I roll over links that give drop down menus, there are small spaces in between the drop down choices that show some of the information behind it.

This is what I see in IE:
http://www.apunit.com/pdga/ie.jpg

and this is Firefox:
http://www.apunit.com/pdga/firefox.jpg

I know this is not extremely important or anything, but I thought I would mention it.

looks like you just changed the "platform logo" - which somehow made the "block-headerimage-1" not show up anymore in firefox. Looks fine in IE though.

oh - it stopped working in IE too.

Also, in IE it seems that when I roll over links that give drop down menus, there are small spaces in between the drop down choices that show some of the information behind it.


Just the PDGA providing a little more transparency in IE... ;)

nice one :) ... but ..unfortunately, thats prolly the definition we use :(

FYI:
I use a Mac.
Using Safari:
The video previews on the right hand side do not display properly (I just see question marks).
Using Firefox:
Those video preview boxes read "See Video".

What does number of PMs have to do with storage size? Generally you'd be limited to an amount of storage not number of emails.


When records are stored in a database, with a few exceptions, they consume a fixed amount of space, regardless of how much text is actually in the record. not that it affects us really... the answer *should* be to allow an export to email or some other storage mechanism. I don't think the PDGA is going to do that for us.

I notice a few small things today. One is that when the site is viewed in IE6 (or perhaps IE in general) there is a 20 pixel area of background space above the header, whereas this is not the case in Firefox 3. Also, in IE it seems that when I roll over links that give drop down menus, there are small spaces in between the drop down choices that show some of the information behind it.




I opened up a ticket on this last night.

-Theo

What does number of PMs have to do with storage size? Generally you'd be limited to an amount of storage not number of emails.


When records are stored in a database, with a few exceptions, they consume a fixed amount of space, regardless of how much text is actually in the record. not that it affects us really... the answer *should* be to allow an export to email or some other storage mechanism. I don't think the PDGA is going to do that for us.


We are running a version of the message board that isn't supported yet. We are going to be converting to one that is integrated with the main site (ie., Drupal). At that time, we will be doing some level of data conversion, but we may not try to figure out how to preserve the PMs (our focus is on the forum posts). The less data we have to migrate, the easier and faster it will go.

-Theo

it should be relatively easy to migrate those things. if you're moving from one common MS to another, most likely someone has already done it and is willing to share their homework. I think a simple perl script should be able to transfer everything from one board to another, keeping all threads and PMs intact. It's just a matter of understanding both schemas.

Minor formatting issue (at least in IE6 on WinXP sp2)

Under "About Disc Golf", then "History", there are several words that are scrunched together (spaces missing) throughout the article. Heres an example of how the last paragraph reads. Not terribly important...but Im sure it goes on some list...

"Many players shared the dream of national tournaments andorganized play. They got togetherand formed the PDGA to help oversee andguide the rapid growth of the sport. The gamegrew too fast to call it �evolution�; it was a revolution! The PDGA is now a worldwide force andis growing faster than ever. Thesport of disc golf is becoming every bit as professional as its older brotherthe PGA and its traditional ball and club golf."

Noticed a few more formatting things under "About Disc Golf" and "Rules of Play"

Everything is in the same font (Trebuchet maybe?) except for a few places.

801.03 - The criteria listed under A (Arial?)
801.04 - Under B, all subcatagories (Arial?) but no sub catagories in the rest of the rules are a different font
802.03 - All in a different font (Times New Romen?)
803.10 - Under A (Times New Romen?)

A few other formatting things I noticed

804.02 - Under A, extra carriage return in the first sentence
805 - B is listed to the right of the coversion table instead of below it

the front page takes a long time to load (and i have hi speed DSL) due to all the ads, videos, links etc. on it.
It reminds me of that SNL episode where the sportscaster has all sorts of things running on the screen:
scores, ads, highlights, photos, etc and his face eventually gets blocked out.

why so much cr@p? looks jumbled and unprofessional.

it should be relatively easy to migrate those things. if you're moving from one common MS to another, most likely someone has already done it and is willing to share their homework. I think a simple perl script should be able to transfer everything from one board to another, keeping all threads and PMs intact. It's just a matter of understanding both schemas.


The devil's in the details. We (Conrad Damon) converted our previous message board ("discuss") to ubb.threads in 2002. It was the same basic conversion - forums, posts, users, etc. We figured out both schemas, but they didn't line up exactly. We had to do data translations (e.g., date field formats) and other data cleansing. We eventually got it done, but it took a while.

There's a chance we may be able to find some tools or scripts that someone will share with us to help, but in some earlier searches I did, I couldn't find much.

-Theo

happy bday baldie. remember, if it was easy anyone could do it. for our site, we need conrad.

Is there a reason the discussion board is now opening as new window? Never had that happen before.

Is there a reason the discussion board is now opening as new window? Never had that happen before.


That change was made two days ago.

-Theo

the front page takes a long time to load (and i have hi speed DSL) due to all the ads, videos, links etc. on it.
It reminds me of that SNL episode where the sportscaster has all sorts of things running on the screen:
scores, ads, highlights, photos, etc and his face eventually gets blocked out.

why so much cr@p? looks jumbled and unprofessional.


Thank you for your feedback. I personally disagree. As internet connection speeds increase, websites are adding more and more content to their pages, especially front pages. I just went to www.pga.com (http://www.pga.com), and it took just as long to load as pdga.com. It's a tradeoff, but one that we've decided to accept in order to have what I think is a much more professional look and feel than we've ever had before. The rotating flash player articles don't slow down the browsing experience that much, and it is a feature of our site that is quite unique.

-Theo

Minor formatting issue (at least in IE6 on WinXP sp2)

Under "About Disc Golf", then "History", there are several words that are scrunched together (spaces missing) throughout the article. Heres an example of how the last paragraph reads. Not terribly important...but Im sure it goes on some list...

"Many players shared the dream of national tournaments andorganized play. They got togetherand formed the PDGA to help oversee andguide the rapid growth of the sport. The gamegrew too fast to call it �evolution�; it was a revolution! The PDGA is now a worldwide force andis growing faster than ever. Thesport of disc golf is becoming every bit as professional as its older brotherthe PGA and its traditional ball and club golf."


Jerry,

I had noticed that a while ago, but failed to open a ticket (which is our tracking mechanism now). I have done so.

Thanks,
-Theo

I noticed that we are still unable to upload tournament results or information to:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/admin

Any thoughts on when this will be completed?

Thanks...

I noticed that we are still unable to upload tournament results or information to:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/admin

Any thoughts on when this will be completed?

Thanks...


I'm working on it today, but after I get the coding done, it will need testing and security review. Maybe late next week?

-Theo

Is there a reason the discussion board is now opening as new window? Never had that happen before.


That change was made two days ago.


And a smart change it is, too, as it should have a positive impact on usage stats.

for me a new window does not open (using Internet Explorer)...

update: Just tried it with Mozilla Firefox and like how DISCussion opens in a new tab when clicked on form the PDGA home page.

would love to see it set up to do that with IE ...

Was thinking the same thing Terry.

What does number of PMs have to do with storage size? Generally you'd be limited to an amount of storage not number of emails.


When records are stored in a database, with a few exceptions, they consume a fixed amount of space, regardless of how much text is actually in the record. not that it affects us really... the answer *should* be to allow an export to email or some other storage mechanism. I don't think the PDGA is going to do that for us.


We are running a version of the message board that isn't supported yet. We are going to be converting to one that is integrated with the main site (ie., Drupal). At that time, we will be doing some level of data conversion, but we may not try to figure out how to preserve the PMs (our focus is on the forum posts). The less data we have to migrate, the easier and faster it will go.

-Theo


I haven't really found any Drupal forums that are any good. Which module are you looking at using?

i understand that converting screen layouts, etc can be time consuming. since we decided to launch the new site before all of the conversions were complete, could we maybe get those lost features set up to display in a blank wrapper? if its gonna be another weekend without full features, maybe we could at least enjoy the old features in their old format in the meantime.

What does number of PMs have to do with storage size? Generally you'd be limited to an amount of storage not number of emails.


When records are stored in a database, with a few exceptions, they consume a fixed amount of space, regardless of how much text is actually in the record. not that it affects us really... the answer *should* be to allow an export to email or some other storage mechanism. I don't think the PDGA is going to do that for us.


We are running a version of the message board that isn't supported yet. We are going to be converting to one that is integrated with the main site (ie., Drupal). At that time, we will be doing some level of data conversion, but we may not try to figure out how to preserve the PMs (our focus is on the forum posts). The less data we have to migrate, the easier and faster it will go.

-Theo


I haven't really found any Drupal forums that are any good. Which module are you looking at using?


We're most likely going to be going with vBulleting, tightly integrated with Drupal. The good news is that there appears to be a vendor-support import from our current message board, which will help a lot with the migration.

-Theo

i understand that converting screen layouts, etc can be time consuming. since we decided to launch the new site before all of the conversions were complete, could we maybe get those lost features set up to display in a blank wrapper? if its gonna be another weekend without full features, maybe we could at least enjoy the old features in their old format in the meantime.


Pat,

We are using a wrapper approach to the old code. The main issue right now is the security review and defensive coding. We don't want to launch any of the old code until it has been cleared from potential hacking attacks.

The basis course directory (minus the Google search) and the contact page are almost ready to go.

-Theo

Pat,

We are using a rapper (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/264732257_e63e67b33a.jpg?v=0) approach to the old code.

-Theo

I am in the same boat as all of the other November events when we say we'd love for this to be a top priority. As odd as it is, some people don't sign up until they see other people signing up or until the threat of filling actually becomes a reality.

This has been a huge feature of being a PDGA Sanctioned events and I'm all about testing or helping move this along asap. I have about 5 or so people that are signed for my event and although that's not that many, people like seeing their names on there as being officially "in".

One thing that I just e-mailed Karolyn and Dave about was ... why do SOME events have an uploaded list right now? Did they do something special to make that happen?

Thanks for all of your hard work Theo. I am not envious of the task or the work that's in front of you right now.

Terry (T-Dogg) Miller
PDGA #10738
TD for the Cold Turkey III (http://www.takeflighttoday.com/product_info.php?cPath=24&amp;products_id=114) which is November 29, 2008.


I noticed that we are still unable to upload tournament results or information to:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/admin

Any thoughts on when this will be completed?

Thanks...


I'm working on it today, but after I get the coding done, it will need testing and security review. Maybe late next week?

-Theo

One thing that I just e-mailed Karolyn and Dave about was ... why do SOME events have an uploaded list right now? Did they do something special to make that happen?


I'm guessing it's because PDGAsignup thru Breiner has never been down throughout this transition.

I think these events started posting registration prior to the website collapse. I know this is the case with the Vegas event.

Any idea when new rounds might be entered on the PDGA scedual so we can get some new round ratings?

Theo posted that it might be late this week.

Will this delay the next ratings update?

Little connection at all. As long as the TDs have been sending in the event reports, most of the processing to produce official ratings is done offline within Access on Roger's computer in Joliet, IL and mine here in MN. The PDGA member database is intact. It's just that all of the online links to it haven't been re-established yet. By the time we're ready to publish them on Nov 25th, all of the links should be back so you can look things up like before.

I just noticed that when viewing tournament information in firefox the text get's pushed over underneath the ad to the right. In this sense - we are unable to view the following text:

Total Players: 0
Pros: 0
Ams: 0

The problem does not happen in IE but while exploring this noticed that on the tournament pages the normal "blue" area behind the new search box is white instead of blue (in IE only).

hmmm ... should I click on "How popular is your favorite star?", Salvation Army or "You don't have to sound like your parents"... choices, choices. OK, I'm being a smart [censored] I know.
It'll be interesting to see the click through stats in a month.

I went through this same thing with the magazine I used to work for. Good luck!

Probably has been reported ... Using IE 7, Firefox and Chrome when I click on the PDGA number in a members profile (from this discussion board) I am linked back to the main Discussion page, not the players events, ratings etc.

Also it is kind of funny that "PDGA" shows up as misspelled (underlined in red) while typing. Can this spelling be added to the dictionary used for spell check?

Probably has been reported ... Using IE 7, Firefox and Chrome when I click on the PDGA number in a members profile (from this discussion board) I am linked back to the main Discussion page, not the players events, ratings etc.

Also it is kind of funny that "PDGA" shows up as misspelled (underlined in red) while typing. Can this spelling be added to the dictionary used for spell check?


That hasn't been reported, and I just fixed it. Not sure about how to get PDGA added to the Firefox dictionary!

-Theo

Theo, you working on getting the Course Statistics link for each event re-established? Even if that takes a while, could we at least get the general link to all SSAs set up again? This was the old link which currently loops back to the PDGA main page:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php

One thing at a time. Lets get the ability to actually post results up first and foremost. I'm sitting on 2 events now. :P

Just type PDGA in the reply box, let Firefox highlight it red. Then right click and add it to the dictionary. Voila.

The site looks great! It's amazing that a larger banner ad from ATT gives the site more validity. The flash media also helps the aesthetics...nice work!

Just type PDGA in the reply box, let Firefox highlight it red. Then right click and add it to the dictionary. Voila.


Done and done. Interestingly enough I had never noticed that it was highlighted in red before it was brought up here, although it must have been doing that since I installed (at least) the most recent updates.

Just type PDGA in the reply box, let Firefox highlight it red. Then right click and add it to the dictionary. Voila.


Done and done. Interestingly enough I had never noticed that it was highlighted in red before it was brought up here, although it must have been doing that since I installed (at least) the most recent updates.



I brought it up using Chrome and the same suggestion for Firefox also works, thanks. I mistakenly thought that was something with a discussion board dictionary, not the individual browser. My IE does not display it as misspelled. Even qqrtmurs is not shown as misspelled in IE either.

One thing at a time. Lets get the ability to actually post results up first and foremost. I'm sitting on 2 events now. :P


2nd that. Probably should have been priority #1 ;)

I am also sitting on two events now. Would love to get the stats up for my faithful tournament contestants.

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I am also sitting on two events now. Would love to get the stats up for my faithful tournament contestants.

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Faithful... psh... I hear some of them cheated on you with other tournaments this summer. :eek: :eek:

Not sure what you mean by this Chris.

At any rate - we are excited that we ran three PDGA sanctioned events this year in Dayton, Ohio with 69, 56, and 72 contestants. Considering the fact that we've had only one PDGA event for the last 9 years until now - and four years ago that tournament had only 14 contestants - we're quite pleased with our ability to grow our numbers.

This belongs in another thread anyway.

Looking forward to getting the stats up as always for those who are interested in such matters.

The Virginia link on the "Course Directory" page takes you back to the home page...it works if you use the search function.

I'd really like to see these new banner ads gone.

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I'd like to see our player rating posted below our avatars on our message board posts. sandalman got that done and then someone pulled the plug on that -- why???? :confused:

Because someone (cough*JC*cough) in a position of authority who has a pretty dismal rating didn't like people easily seeing it and dismissing his comments as someone who has no clue.

With the fact that I have an event in 20 days, I'm also a huge proponent of getting the online upload up and running. People like to see themselves as officially registered and that spurs others to hurry and get registered because they don't want to get shut out.

I know Theo is working on this from what the discussions have said. Any more of an ETA for this? Also, will it be a link in the TD Resources page? And finally, will the 'upload wizard' work the same way for now?

Thanks for the hard work - everyone has their own priorities so I can't imagine this as fun.

Ter

Old links to the course directory no longer work because the CGI query string has been changed. For example the URL http://www.pdga.com/course/courses_by_city.php?id=230 must now become http://www.pdga.com/course-details?id=230

Can you resolve this internally so that the many, many external links to the course directory do not have to be edited?

Thanks.

Not sure what you mean by this Chris.

At any rate - we are excited that we ran three PDGA sanctioned events this year in Dayton, Ohio with 69, 56, and 72 contestants. Considering the fact that we've had only one PDGA event for the last 9 years until now - and four years ago that tournament had only 14 contestants - we're quite pleased with our ability to grow our numbers.

This belongs in another thread anyway.

Looking forward to getting the stats up as always for those who are interested in such matters.


I was just making fun of your choice of words ;) All in good fun. haha

I'm already disc-gusted by the banner ads. What's next? Pop-up ads?
This site used to be a sanctuary from that stuff.
With all that money from ads coming in, what are the chances the dues will go down?

not much, because whatever the revenue is from those ads, 50% of it goes to the people we hired to build this new site. its an outside company, not disc golfers. if it changed substantively in hte final contract, please correct me. yes, the ads do feel like a step in thewrong direction to me too. the sad thing is, we'll probably get used to them.

I think it's a positive change adding outside sources of funding. Mabey one step closer to pros getting paid enough live off of.

Hey, 50% of the ad revenue is a lot if the other half pays for the web people. Didn't they get a chunk of change?

is the tourney admin site up yet? if not, is there an update as to when it might be?

thanks!

is the tourney admin site up yet?

no, but we've got ad banners and we're creating revenue... so keep your focus young jedi!

Yay... revenue? I would rather have it look like there's been an event that occurred in the last month at this point. I was fine with the delay for a while, but the whole "we're working on it, by the end of this week" line just went overdue. C'mon PDGA, make me look like a jerk by getting it up today.

Because someone (cough*JC*cough) in a position of authority who has a pretty dismal rating didn't like people easily seeing it and dismissing his comments as someone who has no clue.



The feature was pulled down initially because it was crashing the site. I'm not an I.T. genius, but I believe Theo said the feature used a "double query", which was using too much bandwidth or was just overtaxing the server, and the feature caused the PDGA site to crash. (Theo, please correct me if I'm wrong) Of course, the numerous complaints we received about the feature (yes, I was not the only one who complained) also contributed to its demise. Also, this was something that Pat did on his own without any word to the BoD. He thought it be cool, I guess. Many people did not share that view.

Believe me, as the person who was on the losing side of a lot of 6-1 votes while I was on the board (including the vote for the new constitution and by-laws), I wish I had enough power to snap my fingers and get something like that changed. But as Pat will surely tell you, it doesn't work like that on the PDGA BoD.

It remains a customer service issue for me. If my rating goes up on the message board in the avatar area, I stop using the message board. Period. I think it's unnecessary (two clicks gets you any player's rating), it's generally irrelevant to any discussion except technique (which I have never posted in anyway), and yes, it might give someone the wrong impression. If you really want to see my player rating, by all means go look it up. I think it's currently 889, or somewhere around there. If you want to ridicule my playing skills (or lack thereof), knock yourself out. I did get a PDGA win this year, so it's not always bad golf. :)

Chap

Theo, you working on getting the Course Statistics link for each event re-established? Even if that takes a while, could we at least get the general link to all SSAs set up again? This was the old link which currently loops back to the PDGA main page:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php



It's on the list, along with everything else. We had to prioritize the work, and getting the high-traffic areas working again is the top priority. As soon as that's done, we'll start filling in the other pieces that we had to disable.

-Theo

The Virginia link on the "Course Directory" page takes you back to the home page...it works if you use the search function.


I just opened up a ticket for this problem.

-Theo

Old links to the course directory no longer work because the CGI query string has been changed. For example the URL http://www.pdga.com/course/courses_by_city.php?id=230 must now become http://www.pdga.com/course-details?id=230

Can you resolve this internally so that the many, many external links to the course directory do not have to be edited?

Thanks.


We have been creating aliases from all of the old URLs. We must have missed that one. I'll open up a ticket.

-Theo

Yay... revenue? I would rather have it look like there's been an event that occurred in the last month at this point. I was fine with the delay for a while, but the whole "we're working on it, by the end of this week" line just went overdue. C'mon PDGA, make me look like a jerk by getting it up today.


I spent all day yesterday travelling coast-to-coast for a business trip working on the PDGA tournmanent admin pages. It's the most complex part of the site by far (Jason Haas and Steve Ganz earned Volunteer of the Year awards for implementing it). I am 70% done.

I'm working as fast as I can, but I'm on the road for business, with little time until later this week to finish it. I'll do the best I can.

-Theo

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4016/stanpdgapagepi7.jpg

so what are they trying to say about Stan? is he one to talk to about drugs? i dont get it ;)

i'm sure theres bound to be some pretty funny/random stuff on the homepage with the blend of ads and 'legit' stuff on there.

Yay... revenue? I would rather have it look like there's been an event that occurred in the last month at this point. I was fine with the delay for a while, but the whole "we're working on it, by the end of this week" line just went overdue. C'mon PDGA, make me look like a jerk by getting it up today.


I spent all day yesterday travelling coast-to-coast for a business trip working on the PDGA tournmanent admin pages. It's the most complex part of the site by far (Jason Haas and Steve Ganz earned Volunteer of the Year awards for implementing it). I am 70% done.

I'm working as fast as I can, but I'm on the road for business, with little time until later this week to finish it. I'll do the best I can.

-Theo


I apologize for being a bit of an [censored], but this is one of the most frustrating things the PDGA has gone through for TD/tech staffs since I've been a member. I'm sure things will be smooth... eventually. Just frustrating now.

Hey Theo! I know you've probably pulled your hair out and lost your teeth in the last month over the website issues - I'm sorry you've gotten the raw end of the deal Bro.

I'd like to raise an issue that I hear most SoCal golfers b!tch!ng about endlessly at tourneys, weeklies, monthlies, etc....they want to see their round ratings. I'd simply like to know the forecast for when we'll be able to see tournament results and round ratings (hopefully before 11/25 and the ratings update - since without the individual tournament and round ratings (for most golfers), the "update" is most practically used on the refrigerator door).

Thank you for all your hard work and I hope you're getting at least an all expense paid month vacation to just travel and throw!

Good Luck

Hey Theo! I know you've probably pulled your hair out and lost your teeth in the last month over the website issues



I haven't seen Theo for a couple of years, but last time I looked he didn't have any hair left to pull out. :)

Chap

Hey Theo! I know you've probably pulled your hair out and lost your teeth in the last month over the website issues



I haven't seen Theo for a couple of years, but last time I looked he didn't have any hair left to pull out. :)

Chap



Here's the hairstyle I've been sporting since this summer (from a gig my band 90 Proof played last Saturday):

http://www.pozzy.com/90proof/images/90proof110808_035.jpg

Theo,
do you have a guestimate on when the web site will be finished?

also, some feedback about something other than the obvious missing pieces:

The flash is not a good idea. It's too bulky and bogs down browsers very easily. In today's world of multi-tabbed browsing, we're setting ourselves up to be more of an annoyance than a useful resource. It isn't feasible to keep pdga.com up on a tab any more because it slows everything else down.

Also, BOOOOOO to banner ads. BOO.

Theo,
do you have a guestimate on when the web site will be finished?


By my standards of "finished", long after I'm gone...

I seem to be frequently getting hung up on "connecting to ad.doubleclick.net" and the web site doesn't continue to load from there, leaves me with just the background loaded and nothing else. It takes numerous refreshes to get it to load fully.

Hi Theo

Thanks for all your work.

With the event results pages, the 'Official PDGA Announcements' and 'Updates' frame on the right hand side sits over the top of the results, in some cases even before adding the round ratings view.
I'm using FF 3.0.3, but I see the same if I open as an IE tab also.

Also, folks, ads are a fact of the internet, hardly a PDGA specific thing, if you don't like 'em, adblock...

Banner Ads? What banner ads?

Get Firefox
Get ABP (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865)

it's true, one can block ads. that's not the point. they should never be there in the first place. Oh, and they're not just a fact of the internet, they're a choice. just because more and more companies make that choice doesn't mean we have to. Text ads are acceptable. Even some static image ones... but we have 20%+ of our usable screen area consumed by dynamic image ads! It makes the page load slower, it raises the occurance of load failures, and it takes away from the general message of the site.

This is a non-profit organization. We don't need to have banner ads.

http://www.pga.com/home/

Maybe their banner ads are why they are doing so well over the years...and can have lower membership fees? You never know what kind of benefits advertising can bring.

Sorry your home page is slow to load.

Because you and I both know that they will not be lowering membership fees because of this...

The membership has paid and will continue to pay for this website &amp; I agree there should not be any random banner ads.

forget it Josh, its hopeless.

as long as the freaking site development company is contractually motivated to produce revenue via the site, then we will be subjected to this nonsense.

the pga.com site is a horrible comparison if you are trying to justify banner ads. the pga top banner is (has been every time i visit) for stacka.com, a golf handicap tracking system. the left ad is usually for the Tour.. although sometimes for gaterade.com. so its either self-promoting or very, very closely tied. ours are mostly sporting goods, which i suppose is better than some other possibilities, but it is not as relevant as the pga.com ads. and its demonstrably true that the ads on pdga.com take up measureably more space, and higher on the page, than at pga.com.

"Maybe their banner ads are why they are doing so well over the years".... addie, are you joking or serious? if we're gonna be successful because of banner ads, why even run the tour? or anything else for that matter? ad-revenue-producing websites should become our core competency if we need them to survive. if we took our 1.3 Million per year and created nothing but websites, we'd probably end up with more money than we do with our current objectives. but thats not what we (i hope) want!

how much revenue are we getting from the ads? i know you dont have a monthly check yet... what is the deal we have with them?

http://www.pga.com/home/

Maybe their banner ads are why they are doing so well over the years...and can have lower membership fees? You never know what kind of benefits advertising can bring.

Sorry your home page is slow to load.



haha yes, banner ads have kept the PGA afloat for over a hundred years.

I clicked on a beach weather banner ad and got this:
http://www.surfrider.org/access%5Fdenied/

And, I am sorry to be so negative about this website conversion, but these distracting banner ads are not an improvement to our website, especially if they don't link correctly.

http://www.pga.com/home/

Maybe their banner ads are why they are doing so well over the years...and can have lower membership fees? You never know what kind of benefits advertising can bring.

Sorry your home page is slow to load.


Last time I checked there weren't any "drugfree.org" and "timetotalk.org" ads on the PGA.com site. But then again, they are professionals. I'm sure it helps our cause that if a Father is going to the PDGA site to see what new sport his son is involved in and seeing banner ads for talking to your kids about drugs with the stigma our sport receives already.

Sad thing is.....if the PDGA members stop doing drugs, many of them will not be high enough to think that membership is a good deal.

"You never know what kind of benefits advertising can bring."

Never said we will lower fees with these ads, but know that with more money coming in from different areas you NEVER KNOW what benefits we will see.

Back to work.

Peace!

gosh, Addie, send me $75,000 quick - you never know the good that i might do for the sport with that kind of cash.

Theo,
do you have a guestimate on when the web site will be finished?


By my standards of "finished", long after I'm gone...


Seriously???? can you please answer my question with a real answer. thank you

or tell us when you'll be gone :)



(dont take that the wrong way, Theo, you said it...)

BUG:
The dropdown menu appears BEHIND the banner ad

I agree, ads are completely lame.

Some GOOD news:
This morning, instead of logging in and the DisBoard opening up in a new window, it all happened inside the same window.
No new tab. No new window.
THANK YOU for fixing that very annoying item.

It would be nice if clicking on the options in the main menu w/ drop downs took you to the first option in the drop down menu (or took you somewhere). So clicking Courses would take you to the course directory, etc.

another point re: ads on pdga.com versus pga.com: How does our traffic compare to theirs? Our membership? the PDGA is *not* the PGA. we have far less traffic, yet somehow we have far more banner ads.... interesting.


If the money-grubbing stigma of the PDGA wasn't already bad enough, now we are trying to generate more unnecessary revenue that we'll be forced to spend in more ridiculous ways... and we're doing it by polluting our public face.

*sigh*

Pat's right. this fight is lost.

Theo,
do you have a guestimate on when the web site will be finished?


By my standards of "finished", long after I'm gone...


Seriously???? can you please answer my question with a real answer. thank you


That was a real answer. A website is only going to be finished if someone shuts it down and stops maintaining it. I hope the PDGA and its website last a lot longer than I do.

We have a multi-phase plan to continue upgrading the website over the next year. We have a list of priorities and some target dates. My goal is to get the bulk of the most important dynamic pages (i.e., database-driven) from the old site working on the new site as quickly as I can.

The tournament admin pages, which are near the top of a lot of people's list, is about to go live (like tonight or tomorrow). The ability to add and modify the course directory listings is next, hopefully by Monday. There are a number of other lower priority things (e.g., custom searches of the schedule by tier, country, etc.) that will follow, but once I get to those I'll probably slow down and stop spending the bulk of my non-work (day job) time working on the site, as I have been over the last couple of months. I don't have any specific date on when all of what I consider the "current" phase (at least the stuff I'm working on) will be complete. Some of it may not get completed for a few months.

-Theo

The tournament administration section of the site has been enabled. Here is the new link to use:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-admin

Dave Gentry has done a fair amount of testing, but there are a lot of changes. If you have any problems, either post them here, send an email to Dave, or send me a PM and I will follow up with you.

Thanks,
-Theo

Much appreciated, Theo! More apologies for my impatience, but your work is appreciated.

Just posted Parmalee Park Revival - the telltale trophy didn't appear next to the tournament results. Although if you click on the tournament name the results are there, so its all good I figured I'd let you know the trophy didn't show up.

The tournament administration section of the site has been enabled. Here is the new link to use:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-admin



Thank you! I will upload some stuff now and see how it goes.

FYI - Any site using tribalfusion for ads kills me. Every single page seems to require REPEATED refreshes to get it to load fully. I visit a few other sites that use them, and they all suck at loading.

any idea why after uploading the total scores show here...

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8353

...but the second round isn't included here?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8353#Open

Looks like ths second round and its ratings are there when I click your link? Browser issue maybe (was on IE7 when I looked)

i played with it more. it worked after i uploaded it again without overwriting the previous scores. thanks.

the password I was given for my latest tournament does not work. Is the event password DB current?

Also, I thought the new version was going to have one login per TD, and tournaments would be associated with that login - instead of one password per event?

We have a list of priorities and some target dates. My goal is to get the bulk of the most important dynamic pages (i.e., database-driven) from the old site working on the new site as quickly as I can.

The tournament admin pages, which are near the top of a lot of people's list, is about to go live (like tonight or tomorrow). The ability to add and modify the course directory listings is next, hopefully by Monday. There are a number of other lower priority things (e.g., custom searches of the schedule by tier, country, etc.) that will follow, but once I get to those I'll probably slow down and stop spending the bulk of my non-work (day job) time working on the site, as I have been over the last couple of months. I don't have any specific date on when all of what I consider the "current" phase (at least the stuff I'm working on) will be complete. Some of it may not get completed for a few months.

-Theo


Theo,
that is a straight answer. the first sentence (which i did not include )was a little ridiculous. thank you for the straight talk and your hard work. it is appreciated.

Here is a link to the So Cal Championships Pro Weekend Pre-registration.

<font color="blue">Link Removed </font>

However, if you go to the tournament schedule page and click on this event, none of this information shows up.

I get the same thing for the Am Results:

<font color="blue">Link Removed </font>

I guess with no golden books or trophies to click on there is no way to see event results and registrations.

SoCal Ams looks fully populated...

I guess with no golden books or trophies to click on there is no way to see event results and registrations.


that, and table widths need tweaking:
http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7665

any idea why after uploading the total scores show here...

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8353

...but the second round isn't included here?

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8353#Open


I see both rounds.

One thing everyone needs to be aware of is that the new website implements a caching mechanism for performance. This means that updates to pages can take up to an hour before they appear, if the page has been previously viewed by someone (within the last hour). We are looking at reducing (or removing) the caching from the schedule and tournament results pages, but in the meantime please allow up to 60 minutes before reporting any problems with scores or the trophy icons not appearing.

Thanks,
-Theo

and what about the missing tournament passwords? the TD login changes? Any response there?

the password I was given for my latest tournament does not work. Is the event password DB current?

Also, I thought the new version was going to have one login per TD, and tournaments would be associated with that login - instead of one password per event?


The passwords for the events shouldn't have changed. Please contact the PDGA office to confirm the password, and if it's not working, let Dave Gentry know and I will follow up with him to troubleshoot the problem.

In the future, members are going to have logins to the complete website, not just the tournament admin section. At that time, we will be implementing the concept of "roles". The tournament director role will be a dynamic role (calculated by identifying that you are a TD for one or more events), and you will automatically get access to all events that you are TD for. We might eventually implement a delegation of authority mechanism, where a TD can delegate access to an event to one or more other members.

In the meantime, the login process will be the same as it was before we migrated to the new site.

-Theo

I guess with no golden books or trophies to click on there is no way to see event results and registrations.


that, and table widths need tweaking:
http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7665



Thanks, I will open up a ticket on that issue.

-Theo

Apologies if these are already on the list, I couldn't spend the time to read through all the unproductive (and productive) complaints...

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.

- In the Course Directory, it would be nice if the name of the course was indented, and some sort of deliniation or different shading used to separate cities. As is, it can be confusing to determine which course goes with which city (when the cities only have one course).

- Also in the Course Directory, will GPS coordinates for cities be reinstated when there are no coordinates for the course?

Thanks for the hard work.

Apologies if these are already on the list, I couldn't spend the time to read through all the unproductive (and productive) complaints...

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.

- In the Course Directory, it would be nice if the name of the course was indented, and some sort of deliniation or different shading used to separate cities. As is, it can be confusing to determine which course goes with which city (when the cities only have one course).

- Also in the Course Directory, will GPS coordinates for cities be reinstated when there are no coordinates for the course?

Thanks for the hard work.


Hey, Allen (Riz) - how's life! I think back fondly to the fun we had when we played the 2007 HOF Classic at the IDGC opening. That was a special time and place to be in disc golf history.

Thanks for your constructive feedback. I'm on it! Now if some of the others on this thread would move on to being more productive, rather than lingering on whether we should have ads...

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.



I can't reproduce this. You can't click on the top level "PDGA HQ" menu - you have to pick on of the submenu items. Can you detail the steps to reproduce the behavior you're seeing?
/quote]
- In the Course Directory, it would be nice if the name of the course was indented, and some sort of deliniation or different shading used to separate cities. As is, it can be confusing to determine which course goes with which city (when the cities only have one course).


[/QUOTE]
We have already noted the bad formatting for the course directory search results.


- Also in the Course Directory, will GPS coordinates for cities be reinstated when there are no coordinates for the course?



I don't understand this one. There shouldn't have to be any "reinstating", as we didn't do anything to the data in the database. And I ididn't disable any display in the web page, so I'm not sure exactly what isn't working like it used to. Please let me know how to reproduce what you're seeing, and I'll look into it.

Thanks,
-Theo

Thanks for your constructive feedback. I'm on it! Now if some of the others on this thread would move on to being more productive, rather than lingering on whether we should have ads...



Speaking of which, I just got a scroll across the screen Wal-Mart survey bit of ad. Man that bites. How much money are we getting for this junk?

bob! not productive!

you'll take your crappy ads and lack of features and like it! We paid good money for this "improvement" and you will not say bad things about it. If you speak out again, you'll be summarily removed from PDGA membership.

For the whiners that are complaining about the ads - I have never seen a single one!!!

I run Mozilla Firefox and ABP.


It takes far more effort to come on here and complain than it does to download and install these FREE programs. They will block the ads from ALL sites, not just PDGA.



Apparently some people would rather complain, stomp their feet and have a public temper tantrum than take a couple of simple steps to cure the "problem"!! Your mama isn't going to download ABP for you. Man up and welcome to the internet.

so the PDGA should tell us which browser to use? and it shouldnt be the most popular?

that kinda stinks.

besides, how ludicrious is it take the time to install banner ads and then tell everyone to install crap on their computers to get around the ads. its like having both sides of the deal deliberately waste their time.

theo..... I have not posted or bashed you here once..... I assume that you are not posting Josh Danns tournament results because you do not like his posts here....

guess what dude.... some of the people who played his tournaments want to see what their rounds rated.....

I could give a rats [censored] about pop up ads.... but the way I see things, freeking tournament results should be the NUMBER ONE priority of this site.....

his password is screwed up... he cant post his results.... instead of telling him he should go talk to someone else. how about you just FIX IT.....

then you can go back to adding more ads or whatever else you view as top priority.....

It takes far more effort to come on here and complain than it does to download and install these FREE programs. They will block the ads from ALL sites, not just PDGA.


Does it also block all of the internal ads like at the top of this Discussion Board?

Can we get some more cheese with that whine?

Gees.....

It takes far more effort to come on here and complain than it does to download and install these FREE programs. They will block the ads from ALL sites, not just PDGA.


Does it also block all of the internal ads like at the top of this Discussion Board?



No, But you can, by right clicking the image and pressing "Adblock Image"

if you are talking to me.... I got a special kind of cheese for you....

Hi Theo,

Thanks for spending all your free time to restore this. I appreciate it.

I am unable to find the ratings breakdown by division and points factor sheet on the new website.

Can anyone please help? Thx in advance

Probably not done yet. I think Theo posted he's focusing on course related issues next.

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.



I can't reproduce this. You can't click on the top level "PDGA HQ" menu - you have to pick on of the submenu items. Can you detail the steps to reproduce the behavior you're seeing?




Just hovering over.

http://www.solsticediscsports.com/ss1.JPG/ss1-full;init:.JPG



Here's another bug.
I've uploaded results from an event in October, the Shooter Alley Open. Everything is fine in the Admin panel and says the upload was successful, all of the data is there, but the Results page is not updating with the new info.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7952

You can see the data is in there by going to the Event Info Page.

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7952

Theo stated that there is a cache on the new web server. Check your results in about an hour.

Thanks to you both!

CP

Pete, check your email. I sent you that sheet.

Hehe...I bet you do.

Look, that tone accomplishes nothing. I had to post results from the BAB on DISCussion....it wasn't until 3 weeks later that they showed up on PDGA.com. The timing of all this really stinks...for everyone involved (including Theo and PDGA staff). Do you really think they have nothing better to do than sit around and hatch plans to stick it to those that oppose the PDGA's actions? Give me a break....

This is not the end of the world. Im not going to debate how long the process is taking or why we paid X number of dollars, etc. I'll let those that have a better IT systems background than I do argue that. But I think the new PDGA site is gonna be great. And if you have to complain, at least use a little tact.

<font color="red">Hehe...I bet you do.

Look, that tone accomplishes nothing. <font color="purple">unfortunate, but true. </font> I had to post results from the BAB on DISCussion....it wasn't until 3 weeks later that they showed up on PDGA.com. <font color="purple"> that stinks, but thanks for adapting </font> The timing of all this really stinks ...for everyone involved <font color="purple">ah, we agree </font> (including Theo and PDGA staff) <font color="purple"> its a mistake to feel sorry for staff and IT when they basically cause the problem in the first place </font> . Do you really think they have nothing better to do than sit around and hatch plans to stick it to those that oppose the PDGA's actions? <font color="purple"> maybe not, but it sure seems that opportunities to do so are never passed over </font> Give me a break....

This is not the end of the world. <font color="purple"> true. but its leading the way to significant changes in how disc golf happens </font> Im not going to debate how long the process is taking or why we paid X number of dollars, etc. I'll let those that have a better IT systems background than I do argue that. <font color="purple"> ummm, thats who's doing the arguing already! </font> But I think the new PDGA site is gonna be great. <font color="purple"> i do too - great for the vendor </font> And if you have to complain, at least use a little tact. <font color="purple"> tried that - it doesnt work so well around here. not that complaining loudly does either, but at least we feel like we have some power that way. speaking softly is a failed strategy

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<font color="purple"> true. but its leading the way to significant changes in how disc golf happens </font>



please elaborate, seems to me it doesn't have a thing to do with how disc golf happens which is by and large through the efforts of individuals on a local basis and independent of (or in spite of) efforts of various cat-herding organizations.

http://www.pdga.com/tdinfo

would be great to see the tourney admin link added to this page.

the website fiasco is the latest indication that the pdga does not know how to deliver superior customer service. i believe that this latest disaster has proved to be the final straw, and that because of it you will see renewed vigor from the non-pdga crowd. i expect the non-pdga crowd to grow in the next 12-18 months. i'm sure the association will find a way to "grow" in raw numbers, but will accelerate the rate at which they fall behind the overall sport. this will change the way disc golf happens. btw, "the efforts of individuals on a local basis and independent of (or in spite of) efforts of various cat-herding organizations" is right on! i believe we are about to return to those roots, and the PDGA's federalist, hegemonist approach will be hard pressed to continue.

the non-pdga crowd may grow (and grow more vocal) but until there is a non-pdga alternative of any substance they'll grumble their way back into the fold for the most part. 100% volunteer based orgs such as southern nationals can only provide a finite amount of support.

...now if a viable, experienced group should step up and actually start a new org to compete with the pdga i would say all bets are off.

They need to set the window mode on that flash object to opaque or transparent and it should take care of the menu issue on just about every platform. At least that's the usual fix.. although I'm not having the problem so maybe that's not it.

"100% volunteer based orgs such as southern nationals can only provide a finite amount of support."

apparently thats equally true for orgs with paid staffs.

I could give a rats [censored] about pop up ads.... but the way I see things, freeking tournament results should be the NUMBER ONE priority of this site.....

his password is screwed up... he cant post his results.... instead of telling him he should go talk to someone else. how about you just FIX IT.....

then you can go back to adding more ads or whatever else you view as top priority.....


I don't manage the passwords for the events. Others haven't had any problems using their passwords to upload results, so I don't think anything in the coding I did is related to why he can't log in. I asked him to check his password with the office to confirm it's correct, and if it still doesn't work, I will start troubleshooting the problems.

Getting the unofficial results upload process has been my highest priority for the last couple of weeks. I have nothing to do with the implementation of the ads.

Theo, I don't think the little title tags are needed on the main menu topics (Membership, PDGA Tour, Courses) that pop up when you mouse over the word. They tend to cover the first item in the submenu so you can't see it.

I could give a rats [censored] about pop up ads.... but the way I see things, freeking tournament results should be the NUMBER ONE priority of this site.....

his password is screwed up... he cant post his results.... instead of telling him he should go talk to someone else. how about you just FIX IT.....

then you can go back to adding more ads or whatever else you view as top priority.....


I don't manage the passwords for the events. Others haven't had any problems using their passwords to upload results, so I don't think anything in the coding I did is related to why he can't log in. I asked him to check his password with the office to confirm it's correct, and if it still doesn't work, I will start troubleshooting the problems.

Getting the unofficial results upload process has been my highest priority for the last couple of weeks. I have nothing to do with the implementation of the ads.


That password didn't work because the official results had already been uploaded. Perhaps when this is the case, something other than "invalid password" would be a better error message.

I could give a rats [censored] about pop up ads.... but the way I see things, freeking tournament results should be the NUMBER ONE priority of this site.....

his password is screwed up... he cant post his results.... instead of telling him he should go talk to someone else. how about you just FIX IT.....

then you can go back to adding more ads or whatever else you view as top priority.....


I don't manage the passwords for the events. Others haven't had any problems using their passwords to upload results, so I don't think anything in the coding I did is related to why he can't log in. I asked him to check his password with the office to confirm it's correct, and if it still doesn't work, I will start troubleshooting the problems.

Getting the unofficial results upload process has been my highest priority for the last couple of weeks. I have nothing to do with the implementation of the ads.


That password didn't work because the official results had already been uploaded. Perhaps when this is the case, something other than "invalid password" would be a better error message.


I'll add that to the to do list.

Thanks,
-Theo

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.



I can't reproduce this. You can't click on the top level "PDGA HQ" menu - you have to pick on of the submenu items. Can you detail the steps to reproduce the behavior you're seeing?




Just hovering over.

http://www.solsticediscsports.com/ss1.JPG/ss1-full;init:.JPG



Here's another bug.
I've uploaded results from an event in October, the Shooter Alley Open. Everything is fine in the Admin panel and says the upload was successful, all of the data is there, but the Results page is not updating with the new info.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7952

You can see the data is in there by going to the Event Info Page.

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7952



Theo,

Chris beat me to it, but here's my pic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/3031062182_087cf2e18f.jpg

IE version 7, as you can tell from the pic.

I hope you get a chance to play golf sometime - a chance to get away from the carping. Hope we can meet up again sometime, as the HOF weekend was a lot of fun!

Allen

Just curious Theo, did the advertisers put up any funds for advertising on our website? Sorry if you've already answered this 14 times.

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.



I can't reproduce this. You can't click on the top level "PDGA HQ" menu - you have to pick on of the submenu items. Can you detail the steps to reproduce the behavior you're seeing?




Just hovering over.

http://www.solsticediscsports.com/ss1.JPG/ss1-full;init:.JPG



Here's another bug.
I've uploaded results from an event in October, the Shooter Alley Open. Everything is fine in the Admin panel and says the upload was successful, all of the data is there, but the Results page is not updating with the new info.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7952

You can see the data is in there by going to the Event Info Page.

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7952



Theo,

Chris beat me to it, but here's my pic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/3031062182_087cf2e18f.jpg

IE version 7, as you can tell from the pic.

I hope you get a chance to play golf sometime - a chance to get away from the carping. Hope we can meet up again sometime, as the HOF weekend was a lot of fun!

Allen


Chris and Allen,

I just tried this again, using IE7 on Vista. I couldn't reproduce it, cycling through a number of ads. Can you (or anyone else) try refreshing the page a number of times and let me know if you're seeing the problem, and if so if it's on all ads, or just some?

Thanks,
-Theo

Just curious Theo, did the advertisers put up any funds for advertising on our website? Sorry if you've already answered this 14 times.


Yes, we are getting paid (or will soon, based on the billing cycle) for the ads.

-Theo

I like it...sure there are bugs... but they will get worked out.

- On the top menu, when you click on PDGA Headquarters the menu is hidden by the banner ad.



I can't reproduce this. You can't click on the top level "PDGA HQ" menu - you have to pick on of the submenu items. Can you detail the steps to reproduce the behavior you're seeing?




Just hovering over.

http://www.solsticediscsports.com/ss1.JPG/ss1-full;init:.JPG



Here's another bug.
I've uploaded results from an event in October, the Shooter Alley Open. Everything is fine in the Admin panel and says the upload was successful, all of the data is there, but the Results page is not updating with the new info.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7952

You can see the data is in there by going to the Event Info Page.

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=7952



Theo,

Chris beat me to it, but here's my pic:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/3031062182_087cf2e18f.jpg

IE version 7, as you can tell from the pic.

I hope you get a chance to play golf sometime - a chance to get away from the carping. Hope we can meet up again sometime, as the HOF weekend was a lot of fun!

Allen


Chris and Allen,

I just tried this again, using IE7 on Vista. I couldn't reproduce it, cycling through a number of ads. Can you (or anyone else) try refreshing the page a number of times and let me know if you're seeing the problem, and if so if it's on all ads, or just some?

Thanks,
-Theo



Looks like it's only some of the ads. Surftech has the same problem on IE v6 on my home computer. Mammoth, Backcountry, FRS, TimetoTalk don't exhibit this problem.

I use IE and when I view my player ratings history, the players rating over time graph is streched out and mostly unviewable behind the PDGA updates and ad on the right.

Chris and Allen,

I just tried this again, using IE7 on Vista. I couldn't reproduce it, cycling through a number of ads. Can you (or anyone else) try refreshing the page a number of times and let me know if you're seeing the problem, and if so if it's on all ads, or just some?

Thanks,
-Theo


Guys, shrink you text size (ctrl+[-]) and you probably won't have that problem. I have looked at the page in Safari, Firefox, and IE(newest version) and realized that the header text doesn't extend that far right. Unless the text is too small to read, then I guess you'll just have to live with it.

I use IE and when I view my player ratings history, the players rating over time graph is streched out and mostly unviewable behind the PDGA updates and ad on the right.


Thanks. I just opened up a ticket on that problem.

-Theo

I think it would be great to create a topic for the website comments and feedback on the main index.

Also, any predictions on when we might be able to see points by state again?

Hi John,

They were working on that on Friday so it shouldn't be much longer. It will be on the Member Search page when ready.

Of course there are several items on the agenda so keep in mind if something comes up that takes precedence over this feature then that item will be completed first.

Just wanted you to know that it was being discussed and not leaving the website. It will be back.

Peace!

Will the new website allow us to RSS PDGA announcements at some point?

Also will we get the link to "My Events" back? So we can filter by state n such.