I think it would be great to create a topic for the website comments and feedback on the main index.



You'll have to send that request to the PDGA office. I'm not responsible for the structure of the discussion board forums.


Also, any predictions on when we might be able to see points by state again?


David Gentry is looking into that now. It might be up later this week.

-Theo

Will the new website allow us to RSS PDGA announcements at some point?



We'll add it to the wish list. That's a good idea.


Also will we get the link to "My Events" back? So we can filter by state n such.


It's on the list, but lower priority than other items like being able to update the course directory, which is what I'm working on now. I'm afraid I can't give any firm dates for some of the other items, since we're going to have to balance those out with some of the other new features (like allowing member logins to the site and the new message board).

-Theo

Will the new website allow us to RSS PDGA announcements at some point?



We'll add it to the wish list. That's a good idea.


This functionality is built into drupal.

hey hold it down in here... people are trying to work ;)

Theo, looks like you need to load/activate international character set(s) for the Course Directory.

Theo,
From the PDGA home page:
Firefox: When I click on the Discussion link, it loads in the same tab.
Safari: When I click on the Discussion link, it opens a new window and I have the settings such that it shouldn't.

Correction: In Firefox, sometimes it opens in the same tab, sometimes it opens in a new tab.....weird.

how do we see ratings on the results page
anyone

Wait until next Tuesday. Just like always, there are no ratings once the TD report is sent to the PDGA until the official ratings are done.

Btw, Those ads are now pop ups! And another tracking survey!
I know you don't want to hear it, but the banner ads are bad enough.
What else is this advert company going to put on here?
Please post their email so I can complain directly.
Bob

Any idea when we will be able to check the leading player stats. Like most points in ur state or overall, or money leaders? Just curious when that page is gonna be up too

One thing I find annoying.

The menu bar pull downs are one of the last things to load. These could easily be one of the first things to load.

Why is this annoying? The page takes TOO LONG to load.

I ran a quick report.

Connection Rate Download Time
14.4K 288.33 seconds
28.8K 150.77 seconds
33.6K 131.11 seconds
56K 83.95 seconds
ISDN 128K 34.87 seconds
T1 1.44Mbps 15.08 seconds

Even at shared broadband speeds, I got:
45 seconds on IE 7
43 on Safari
42 on Firefox (even after having visited the site once)
44 on Opera

As a comparison, the Innova site loaded in about 3 seconds. I would seriously talk to the development company about getting the CORE CONTENT loaded immediately.

I also do not think the Black box displaying "Sorry, you need to install flash to see this content." should display every time you load the page. This may cause new viewers to leave the site... especially since the site load pauses after this information comes up.

The menu pull downs and basic page structure should be the first things to load. That way you have full functionality before any applets start to load.

I also do not think the Black box displaying "Sorry, you need to install flash to see this content." should display every time you load the page. This may cause new viewers to leave the site... especially since the site load pauses after this information comes up.



ditto. it should read something like "flash required to view this content" as opposed to assuming someone doesn't already have it installed.

ok, now the same delay from the homepage is on every message board page. LOSE the BANNERS!

ok, now the same delay from the homepage is on every message board page. LOSE the BANNERS!



I will second this BIG TIME!!!! I understand the hard work put into the new website and the profits from the banners, but COME ON, its getting ridiculous.

there has to be a better alternative. i could care less about the fact that there are ads there if they didn't make the whole thing load so slowly.

Add my name to the list of people complaining about the ads. On the front page, the ads on the right side serve to mask the fact that there is content below. Overall performance is poor. Ads that try to fake the user out by calling themselves "news" should be banned.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/kk3_2/pdgabannerad.jpg

Thanks, now the only pleasantly quick portion of the site is marred by horrid delays in load times. :( I waited 45 seconds for this page to load before hitting refresh and waiting another 30 for it to come up finally.. all that just to post to say that this sucks!

On the bright side, you won't have to read as many complaints by me since I'm going to slowly be driven away from the boards here.

Now I'm losing the right side of the discussion board (on this thread) due to the template borders. Ugh.

It's one thing putting ads on the main site, but our message board is the last place that these ads should be. Looks like this high traffic site may become a ghost town if this continues, and some of the posts are covered on the right side.

Now I can't click on the NEXT page.

Sorry guys, the amount of time your PAYING customers are wasting for page
reloads is simply NOT WORTH THE MONEY THAT IS COMING IN FROM ADS. The ads
are not PDGA MEMBERS. Serve the MEMBERS, ads should only be acceptable if they
do not limit or otherwise impact the userbase negatively. Think seamless.

I do not know what is causing the slow down, but anyone who thinks this is
acceptable website performance won't be in business long.

"Hey � What�s the deal with the new ads on our website? If you had previously visited the all new PDGA.com, you probably noticed some changes today in the form of large advertisements that are now appearing on the front page of our website. While it may take you a little bit of time to adjust to this new look, please know that the benefits that the PDGA are receiving from this service are helping us promote the great game that we all love."

how much are those benefits?
how much so far?
what programs and/or programs has the monies received funded?

without answers, the above response/justification seems little more than condescension: "while you might hate it now, we're gonna force you to use it until you forget what is used to be like."

matt, re "I do not know what is causing the slow down, but anyone who thinks this is
acceptable website performance won't be in business long. " unless they work for organizations that dont care.

help us out on the board and remove overflow:hidden from #wrapper in msgboard.css

Well I've held my tongue long enough. Today I loaded the DISCussion page and got a POPUP. A POPUP?? I should not be subjected to POPUP ads at a site I have to pay money to post at. OK, so I thought maybe it was a fluke and maybe I accidentally clicked something. I closed IE7 and reopened and went back in to DISCussion.......POPUP! Yay!

I'll give the board the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you weren't planning on popups? Sneaky ad companies....

Maybe it's something on my end? Nobody else seems to be complaining about popups.

At least change the name from DISCussion to DISCusting board. :D

is it just my computer or does anybody else see the difficulty discerning the dark navy to black text on this new page color scheme?

mine is the same. Is anyone else's puter loading the pages slower?

Add my name to the list of people complaining about the ads. On the front page, the ads on the right side serve to mask the fact that there is content below. Overall performance is poor. Ads that try to fake the user out by calling themselves "news" should be banned.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/kk3_2/pdgabannerad.jpg







we cant scroll left and right, but can post content that is wider. the variable width message board is inside of the fixed width $75K wrapper, and the message reply buttons travels even further past the reaches of the solar system. oh, perhaps thats subconscious hyperbole. it gets more deeply hidden where the interface dont shine. ok, it moves further and further to the right and since there is no scrollbar, one soon will not be able to reply

is it style over substance?
is it that y'all just dont care?
are you begging us to switch to another service?
are we all just unwitting slave labor in some shadowy Quality Control department ?
who signs off on these go-live decisions?

is it just my computer or does anybody else see the difficulty discerning the dark navy to black text on this new page color scheme?


WEB SITE SPEC #15.1.003. Interface Overview the new design shall be for very discerning tastes. the scheme's contrast shall be so subtle that it shall encourage message board use, thereby increasing banner revenue.

on a related note, the slowness is while the banner gets downloaded. its prolly set to never cache so that it must download fresh each page load. thats one trick to maximize page impression count. its kind of like an event fee - the cost to actually consume one of the benefits of membership.

Hey Theo,

I just wanted to say THANK YOU for all of the hard work that
you and many others are doing to get this site up and running.

I realize with EVERY project (IT or otherwise) there are some
challenges. This project is no different than any other major
project except that you have to do it in front of thousands of
people that are criticizing every move you make. I don't envy
the position you're in what so ever.

I just wanted to say THANKS! I appreciate everything you're
doing and I love the new website.

Terry Miller

PS - My personal concern about having the pre-registration
wizard up and running has been addressed (thanks again about
that btw). I'm a big fan of the functional stuff being fixed before the
minor cosmetic stuff.

This website is one of the main reasons that I pay my yearly
fee to be a member .I am not real happy for the crap that is
now being forcefed to me and other discgolfers
I also like to look back at my recent tournys and keep track of
my rating
how hard is it to not be a sell out and fix this crap!!!!!

And the ads are u frikin kidding me they block a lot of pages
FIX IT :mad:

Now I'm losing the right side of the discussion board (on this thread) due to the template borders. Ugh.



This seems to happen in both Firefox and IE6, yet not on every page. It seems to happen only when there are multiple pages in a thread or something.

Your ratings will show up after the ratings update. That is the norm.

Hm, Takes me between 2 and 4 seconds to load one of these forum pages in Firefox using comcast internet..

Maybe it helps I have Adblock and FasterFox Installed

Won't see me complaining about any ads, because i don't see them
:D:D

thats one trick to maximize page impression count. its kind of like an event fee - the cost to actually consume one of the benefits of membership.



Do you realize just how STUPID that argument is? I have been on many sites with advertisements that work just fine. The fact that you're perfectly happy with a clearly decent sized contingent of web users not able to load the pages faster than 30 seconds is very disturbing.

Banners on this page too??? LOSE THEM.

Also, I cannot view about a portion of the right hand side of the screen, so this Discussion Board is even MORE useless now.

Woj, yes i do realize it.

The more improvements they make the more this site sux!

Ditto, besides taking longer to load, I can't even hit reply, as it is off the screen. I had to use quick reply.

Progress. ;)

On top of all that now it doesn't highlite any thread I read so I can't tell what I've looked at or not.

This just gets better and better, glad I started a new club thread on discgolfersrus when all of this started. :mad:

I guess its not too bad, my debt has been driving me crazy and I would like to avoid a foreclosure so that I can find that perfect honeymoon spot to go to.
:p

Hey Theo,

This project is no different than any other major
project except that you have to do it in front of thousands of
people that are criticizing every move you make. I don't envy
the position you're in what so ever.


Terry Miller






Kind of like worlds, hey Terry? :o

Hey Theo,

This project is no different than any other major
project except that you have to do it in front of thousands of
people that are criticizing every move you make. I don't envy
the position you're in what so ever.


Terry Miller






Kind of like worlds, hey Terry? :o



Yeah,

I guess it is amazing how many people love to nag, complain, lecture, criticize, accuse, and bash when they aren't wearing the TD hat. Apparently everyone else on the planet knows more about how to run an event than the TD himself. Yet, we seem to have a shortage of people that step up and run events?

Too bad every single know-it-all doesn't step up and run just one full capacity C-tier to see what it's like. 90 participants with 90 different agendas. It sometimes isn't fun what so ever. Again, I don't envy other TDs nor do I envy the guys doing the work on this project.

Thanks again Theo (and staff).

Post time
I notice that Twoputt's time on this page is 12:18 PM but on the Other PDGA Topics the last post from Twoputt is 8:18 PM

This post of mine is 12:28 - 8:28

It took me about 20min to get the time diff changed. I'm now at a -6 and now that is off too. On top of that half the time the lillte emoticons load full page like I'm trying to work with the individual pixels.

I had the time difference right but now its all screwed up again. I guess I'll just go read all the ads for a while.

On the maan thread page it shows my post at 12:09pm, which is correct but when you go to the actual post under the thread it has me posting at like 4am in the morning. :confused:

What I mentioned is not you, or me or anyone. It looks like something is calculating the time as eight hours off. between this page and the Last Post on the topics page.
Maybe a Theo fix.

Maybe? You think? :D

how much money is there to be made running tourneys terry?

anyone notice that the zip code of your membership is showing up in some of the banners ads?

it is RIDICULOUS that personal information has been integrated into the banner ads, BUT THE SERVICES MEMBERS PAY FOR ARE STILL NON-EXISTANT ON THE SITE!

get your acts together! regardless of what Terry says, 99% of the crap we have been forced to endure could have avoided easily! this is the definition of BS.

i hear what you are saying but the zip code in the banners is tied to your ip address.

Hey Theo,

This project is no different than any other major
project except that you have to do it in front of thousands of
people that are criticizing every move you make. I don't envy
the position you're in what so ever.


Terry Miller






Kind of like worlds, hey Terry? :o



Yeah,

I guess it is amazing how many people love to nag, complain, lecture, criticize, accuse, and bash when they aren't wearing the TD hat. Apparently everyone else on the planet knows more about how to run an event than the TD himself. Yet, we seem to have a shortage of people that step up and run events?

Too bad every single know-it-all doesn't step up and run just one full capacity C-tier to see what it's like. 90 participants with 90 different agendas. It sometimes isn't fun what so ever. Again, I don't envy other TDs nor do I envy the guys doing the work on this project.

Thanks again Theo (and staff).


Are you insinuating that the people here complaining don't have experience running functional web sites? I have experience running a site, using the Drupal CMS, and listening to and keeping the users of the site happy. Frankly, I think that right now there are more pressing issues than a few of the smaller content issues. We have the course directory, tournament results, and access to member information. Those were all vital and needed to go up before things were fully ready visually.

Now before working on the small [censored], they need to take care of more pressing matters like keeping the website accessible to all, and not just people that block the advertisements. I wasn't aware that the purpose of adding advertisements to a web site was to make it functional only for those that choose to block the ads. There are plenty of companies out there that can do a better job than whoever is behind the current ones. Maybe the current company is the most lucrative, but we're seeing why: in exchange for the money we get raped. In the butt. Without lubricant. By Shaq's left fist.

I agree 100%.
We, the members, pay for most of this.
We have a stake in our sport, the PDGA, and this website.

Yes, our volunteers are unappreciated and few.
But voicing a suggestion or complaint is still every member's right, not just those who volunteer or make a living from our sport.

My opinion is that all these banners are distracting and make the site look cheap and desperate. Pages also take longer to load (and I'm on a T1 line).
Perhaps the administrator's behind-the-scenes job will be easier when all this is complete, but it sucks for member-users.

Disappointing that the message board is now optimized for advertisers and that the users are stuck with a very slow load. :(

I'd say you better get used to it. They don't appear that they are listening to the the users of the site. :(

45 seconds is the new 5 seconds.

Just imagine how long a round of golf would take if you had to wait 45 seconds for every person to throw.

Ciphent needs to make the PDGA site load as fast as their site.

There's no need to sweat it for the moment because this won't be the message board software used once they get to converting it. Likewise, Gentry, Graham and Board members can't be happy about the delays as they surf through to read the complaints so you know it will be optimized when it makes sense to actually expend the effort with the new message board software.

OK, its all good, but why then populate the current board with banners, etc.?
Certainly Theo's time could be better spent doing something that won't change soon, yes?

Theo probably didn't have to do much to populate the banners. It's just part of integrating the message board into the new look of the overall website. The message board is on another server and I would guess will continue that way once the new software is brought on board.

Just imagine how long a round of golf would take if you had to wait 45 seconds for every person to throw.


Hey, you must have played with some of my Michigan buddies :D

With Adblock plus, the site runs faster. like 3 seconds again.

While this is great for me, it's not great for all those sponsors.

Regardless, the basic gist of it is: this site slows to a crawl when the Ciphent ads are running.

Is anyone else getting these popups? What's sad is my popup blocker doesn't even see them, and they're tailored to my region.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/l3asturd/pdgapopup.gif

P.S. and since when is my girlfriend single?

If you look closely, according to the popup she's really a man seeking a woman... :p

Any chance of getting to view the entire message on all the threads again anytime soon. I can't read half the posts.

Just imagine how long a round of golf would take if you had to wait 45 seconds for every person to throw.


Hey, you must have played with some of my Michigan buddies :D


This site is the Geoff Bennett of websites. :D The only difference is, the people here have the balls to call the PDGA on it. ;)

in exchange for the money we get raped. In the butt. Without lubricant. By Shaq's left fist.


You may have experience running a Drupal website, but you clearly have no skills whatsoever in communicating constructive feedback.

How about this:

The ads on every possible page are very unacceptable, especially in the forums.

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it is hard to view scores and ratings when viewing the site on a mobile browser.

Theo the website is really coming around. Great job.
The ads are a little too much. The main page is hard
to navigate between all the ads. We have ads and page sponsors.
From a business perspective it seems to much.

I hope the frequent updates and story blogs keep coming.
They are great. It will also bring people to the site on a daily
basis/
Take care

OK here's some constructive criticism - while the ads may be a good way of generating revenue, everyone that has a message board account has already generated plenty of income for the PDGA. How about turning off the ads for users that are logged in to the board, but keep them for people that are non members or are not logged in?

How about this:

The ads on every possible page are very unacceptable, especially in the forums.


Jebb,

I have no control over the advertising. That is a business issue between the PDGA and Ciphent. I am not involved in the implementation or decisions regarding the ad content. I was hoping this thread could focus on technical issues with the site and not a forum for opinions regarding whether we should have ads and how they should be presented.

Reporting problems with the ads here is fine by me, but I would appreciate it if opinions about the ads are directed elsewhere (the PDGA office, or another thread). It makes it much easier for me to find and focus on the technical issues regarding all the code I'm working on.

Thanks,
-Theo

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it is hard to view scores and ratings when viewing the site on a mobile browser.


We are in discussions with Ciphent about optimizing the site for mobile browsers. For the tournament admin pages, I had to write some custom code to bypass the Drupal theme for certain mobile devices, but it's not the right way to do it.

-Theo

Fair enough. The player stats, ratings detail and ratings history (among other pages) all need table width tweaks. The right menu and ads cover up vital info.

Is the PM mailbox size going to increase or will it remain the same? Also is the present maximum allowed based on PM number or size? It would be great to have a feature showing at what percentage of capacity our Mailbox is.

I often have to delete PM's I would like to be able to keep (regarding trade history, private conversations, etc.) and it does not seem like they would take up much space to retain...

if this info is already published can someone please post a link?

From the Player Ratings Detail page, the printer friendly page could use a much smaller font.

Is the PM mailbox size going to increase or will it remain the same? Also is the present maximum allowed based on PM number or size? It would be great to have a feature showing at what percentage of capacity our Mailbox is.

I often have to delete PM's I would like to be able to keep (regarding trade history, private conversations, etc.) and it does not seem like they would take up much space to retain...

if this info is already published can someone please post a link?


The number of PMs we keep is configurable, and the value we choose is mostly a business decision. It's not something I am involved with at this time. There was another discussion about this, but I'm not sure exactly where. Someone out there can probably point you to it.

-Theo

This is not a pressing issue or something that needs attention right away - but it should be noted...

In the Course Directory there is a lot of empty space at the bottom of the pages due to the ads on the bottom right hand side of the page. See the image below:

http://www.apunit.com/pdga/pdga_emptyspace.jpg

Since the directory only shows 20 courses at a time it would be nice to change this so that it shows 30. This will fill that empty space at the bottom of the page and make it easier to view more courses at a time. For states like texas or california it should change the amount of pages to click through much less.

For example, if I want to browse through the Texas courses right now there are 9 pages of courses. If the list was changed to view 30 at a time, the pages of courses to browse through would change to 6. This will make it easier for the user to find the information they need, as well as fill the empty space at the bottom of those pages.

Just a suggestion of course.

Might as well make it 50 per page. That way, it wouldn't take more than two clicks to get to the right page in any state since no state for a few years at least would have more than four pages. When the overall PDGA site Search function is fully functional, will someone be able to enter a course name like Kaposia and even have the course listing be found?

Might as well make it 50 per page. That way, it wouldn't take more than two clicks to get to the right page in any state since no state for a few years at least would have more than four pages. When the overall PDGA site Search function is fully functional, will someone be able to enter a course name like Kaposia and even have the course listing be found?



That works on DGCR ;) Also, Texas is pretty close to the 4 page mark.. it currently has 179 courses.

Regarding the # of courses per page.. It definitely would be convenient but I'd imagine the number won't go up since that would equal less ad impressions. I'm guessing the PDGA would prefer more impressions since that equates to more money coming in.

Savvy users can quickly edit the page number in the URL right now to jump closer to the correct page for the big states. I do that when I have to check Course IDs for processing ratings.

This is not a pressing issue or something that needs attention right away - but it should be noted...

In the Course Directory there is a lot of empty space at the bottom of the pages due to the ads on the bottom right hand side of the page. See the image below:

Just a suggestion of course.


Good idea, and a simple change. I'll add it to the list.

-Theo

Not sure if this has been mentioned but it is hard to view scores and ratings when viewing the site on a mobile browser.


We are in discussions with Ciphent about optimizing the site for mobile browsers. For the tournament admin pages, I had to write some custom code to bypass the Drupal theme for certain mobile devices, but it's not the right way to do it.

-Theo


http://www.amazon.com/Designing-Standards-VOICES-Jeffrey-Zeldman/dp/0735712018 - You can send them a copy of this book, that way they'll learn how to properly design a site utilizing up-to-date web standards and custom code won't be needed anymore for simple things like that. :)

I think it SUCKS! All the freakin' Pop-up ads slow it down & it takes pages longer to load.Okay... go ahead & ask me how I really feel! I truly hope it gets better with time but as it now stands BOO!

I have not gone through all 34 pages of this thread, so this may have already been brought up. Are the results by state, by money, by points and by player rating going to at some time be searchable again so we can all see where we stand within our own states and against everyone in the world.

This was one of my favorite features of the old site. Also I noticed that the adds were blocking the total points for the NT chase on the right side of the page for the top players, that sucked.

Definitely distracting and slower with all of the new adds. Hopefully the members will reap some sort of benefits from these eyesores. Sometimes there are more adds on the page than info that I'm looking for. Mostly I just think they are annoying, but like I said, I can live with them if they do us some good some how.

I think it SUCKS! All the freakin' Pop-up ads slow it down & it takes pages longer to load.Okay... go ahead & ask me how I really feel! I truly hope it gets better with time but as it now stands BOO!


You might have missed my request to take discussions about the ads, which is primarily a business issue (and even if it's not, it's not part of the website that I'm working on) to another forum.

Thanks,
-Theo

I have not gone through all 34 pages of this thread, so this may have already been brought up. Are the results by state, by money, by points and by player rating going to at some time be searchable again so we can all see where we stand within our own states and against everyone in the world.

This was one of my favorite features of the old site. Also I noticed that the adds were blocking the total points for the NT chase on the right side of the page for the top players, that sucked.


It's one of our top priorities. David Gentry is making some changes to the code I have prepared, and we should have something available soon.

-Theo

Message board weirdness:

On the MB home page, the current adjusted date is based on GMT, but for posts, the date is based of PST. I'm in CST, so if I put -6 in for the adjustment, the adjusted date shows the correct time, but posts are off by 8 hours. If i put in +2, then the adjusted date is wrong, but the posts are correct.

Looks like the posts are entered into the database using a PST localtime rather than GMT.

Perhaps it happened when the PDGA site wrapper was placed around the D-Board? The D-Board is on one server time and the wrapper on another server time which affects some time elements in the D-Board?

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already, but when viewing the message board in IE6 none of the submenu links show up. You can click on Home, FAQ, and Discussion, but the rest of the links are non-responsive.

Also, when viewing the message board in Firefox, the "member search" sub menu link under "membership" points to an incorrect URL, which ultimately sends you back to the home page.

Message board weirdness:

On the MB home page, the current adjusted date is based on GMT, but for posts, the date is based of PST. I'm in CST, so if I put -6 in for the adjustment, the adjusted date shows the correct time, but posts are off by 8 hours. If i put in +2, then the adjusted date is wrong, but the posts are correct.

Looks like the posts are entered into the database using a PST localtime rather than GMT.


When we had to scramble to restore the server after the last hack, we ended up going back to an earlier version of the message board. The hard drive that had the latest version was corrupted, and we haven't been able to recover the sources. In addition to asking our ISP to send us the hard drives to see if we can recover the files, we have been reviewing a handful of backups to see if we can get back closer to the most recent version. This might resolve the issue. If not, it's probably not worth pursuing, since we're going to be migrating to a completely new message board.

-Theo

i get these wierd images at the top, the bottom and on the sides of the pages. they dont seem to have much if anything to do with disc golf, and they seem to take a long time to load. i cant even use the scrollbar or clock links while these images load.

has my browser been hacked, or is it something with my hardware?

Check your wetware. :cool:

Theo, two problems I have noticed, either of which could entirely be my own lack of understanding the procedures:

(1) Although since the election on November 7 I have changed my identity back to "Terry the Pirate Calhoun," it shows up in here as "Terry Hussein Calhoun," still.

(2) Also, when Sheila tried to register as a user on November 18, using her PDGA number and the password on her membership card, she got a message that DISCussion was not taking new registrations.

Check your wetware. :cool:

Theo, two problems I have noticed, either of which could entirely be my own lack of understanding the procedures:

(1) Although since the election on November 7 I have changed my identity back to "Terry the Pirate Calhoun," it shows up in here as "Terry Hussein Calhoun," still.

(2) Also, when Sheila tried to register as a user on November 18, using her PDGA number and the password on her membership card, she got a message that DISCussion was not taking new registrations.


Terry,

These are known issues. We ended up going back a version or two in functionality on the message board when we lost the original server and it's hard drive. We're still trying to put the pieces back together. Now that we've got some of the stats and course directory functionality working, the message board issues have bubbled back to the top of the list.

-Theo

Not a problem here. I don't mind "Hussein" and Sheila - now that we worked something out for the 1,000th course game with Greg and Ben - hasn't got any inclination to get on here anyway. (Like the other thousands of potential member-users who might be here if it weren't for the dozen or so users who create a hostile environment because of the mistaken ethos that "On the Internet" necessarily equates to "In Your Face.")

Thanks again for your hard work. Had the chance when I was at the IDGC to learn about the hours you are putting into this and was amazed that you had the energy and inclination!

if it weren't for the dozen or so users who create a hostile environment because of the mistaken ethos that "On the Internet" necessarily equates to "In Your Face.")



Well spoken and fitting, especially for this thread.

is that the same dozen or so users who bolster the idiocracy by believing that criticism is necessarily hostile, and that the relentless pursuit of mediocrity is A-OK?

Sorry but I've tried to deal with the issue respectfully yet I have to bring it back to this thread. Please get rid of the banner ads in the forums! When my browser goes completely unresponsive for 7-10 seconds after any navigation due to waiting on ad content this is not kosher.

relating to the banner ads, i know that this may not be the place to complain about adds, its not necessarily the adds that im going to complain about, but the fact that when they load i get an unresponsive script error. this happens every single time i open a new page and every time it basically freezes the browser for a few seconds. this only happens at home on a specific computer and browser, and im sure that i could update or use a different browser, but i shouldnt have to when it works for every other website and worked until the adds were posted. im not 100% but im pretty sure its when the banner adds load.

im not looking for a helpdesk response, just letting you know the problem.

relating to the banner ads, i know that this may not be the place to complain about adds, its not necessarily the adds that im going to complain about, but the fact that when they load i get an unresponsive script error. this happens every single time i open a new page and every time it basically freezes the browser for a few seconds. this only happens at home on a specific computer and browser, and im sure that i could update or use a different browser, but i shouldnt have to when it works for every other website and worked until the adds were posted. im not 100% but im pretty sure its when the banner adds load.

im not looking for a helpdesk response, just letting you know the problem.


If there are performance problems with the ads, then I would like to know about them. I have been frequenting the message board from home (a Verizon FIOS connection - very fast) and work (high speed connection also), and I haven't noticed any delays in loading message board pages. 1 to 3 seconds load on any page I have browsed to. I would like move input on this issue. Could those of you that aren't having any problems with page load times please acknowledge? Or is everyone but me having problems?

Thanks,
-Theo

I am no longer having issues with page load times. I appreciate it, and assume you worked out some kink with the Adverts that were causing mine.

On the ratings history page the chart/graph at the bottom is cut off by the vertical box on the right.

And I have annoying levels of delay since the ads. They were really bad before, but now are just a delay I will get used to but will always notice.

And I will definatly never click on a banner. But I think you know how I feel about that.

I'm sorry you had to volunteer so much of your valuable time. I do appreciate you making such a tremendous effort.

Just noticed that the web site is down but the message board is still working. Good work on having them on two different servers. I hope nothing major happened.

Just a thought: in your misc folder, change druplicon.png to a pdga logo - that way if the site is ever down again and we get the standard "The site is temporarily unnavailable" message, we will see a pdga logo instead of the drupal logo.

And you would think someone would have noticed that "unavailable" was misspelled by now...

Blah. What incredible timing. :( Was right in the middle of setting the layouts for the tournament. Not that I blame the PDGA for the timing. Just venting.

Just noticed that the web site is down but the message board is still working. Good work on having them on two different servers. I hope nothing major happened.

Just a thought: in your misc folder, change druplicon.png to a pdga logo - that way if the site is ever down again and we get the standard "The site is temporarily unnavailable" message, we will see a pdga logo instead of the drupal logo.


There's a problem with one of the three servers - the main database server. While the main web server (Drupal) is up, it can't access the database, which is why we're getting the site unnavailable (sic) message. I have reported it to our ISP.

-Theo

relating to the banner ads, i know that this may not be the place to complain about adds, its not necessarily the adds that im going to complain about, but the fact that when they load i get an unresponsive script error. this happens every single time i open a new page and every time it basically freezes the browser for a few seconds. this only happens at home on a specific computer and browser, and im sure that i could update or use a different browser, but i shouldnt have to when it works for every other website and worked until the adds were posted. im not 100% but im pretty sure its when the banner adds load.

im not looking for a helpdesk response, just letting you know the problem.


If there are performance problems with the ads, then I would like to know about them. I have been frequenting the message board from home (a Verizon FIOS connection - very fast) and work (high speed connection also), and I haven't noticed any delays in loading message board pages. 1 to 3 seconds load on any page I have browsed to. I would like move input on this issue. Could those of you that aren't having any problems with page load times please acknowledge? Or is everyone but me having problems?

Thanks,
-Theo



THere is a major delay with mine. When I access it from work, I am a teacher and we have the fastest connection possible albeit the government, it takes 5-10 seconds to load a page and a little longer when I first connect. At home we have fiber optics from ATT and it is a little longer than at school.

I would think that it is the banners that are causing the delay. Don't mind them, just an annoyance.

If the banner ads are bothering you, I'd like to suggest two extensions for firefox. Flashblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433) [mozilla.org] and NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722) [mozilla.org]

Don't know if this was covered - How do I update course info? There use to be a link on the course directory page, but I no longer see one. I have updates to make.

Don't know if this was covered - How do I update course info? There use to be a link on the course directory page, but I no longer see one. I have updates to make.


We're just finishing up the testing of that functionality. We should have the ability to add and edit course information back online within a week or so.

-Theo

If the banner ads are bothering you, I'd like to suggest two extensions for firefox. Flashblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433) [mozilla.org] and NoScript (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/722) [mozilla.org]



Firefox is not an option at school, but I will try the extensions at home and see if it works better.

I just know that the new website is much slower than the older one, so it seems to be on the server end of the issue rather than the user end of the issue.

Theo - Can you please check into why you can load info into the tournament admin once and when you try to add more people, they show up in the results section, but NOT in the part that is visible on the site as it still shows the same player # and names as the first upload. Other TD's are having the same issues also, so I know it's not on my end

Thanks,
Keith

Are you sure it's not just the cache timing issue he's talked about? If you make changes, there's a timing delay in seeing them reflected in one place and not another. TDs have discovered within an hour, even 15 minutes, the changes have synched up.

Earlier Theo said there was a delay from when you upload them to when they show up on the site.

At first I didn't think it would matter but last weekend I ran event that sold out sometime on Friday and it was very frustrating to tell someone they were in but if they went to see themselves (which they all did) they would be able to find their name on the site for 10 to 30 minutes.

I can't think of any benefit to having that delay built in there so if there is a time to voice my opinion about it - I would say please remove the (what I thought I read was optional) delay.

Thanks!



Theo - Can you please check into why you can load info into the tournament admin once and when you try to add more people, they show up in the results section, but NOT in the part that is visible on the site as it still shows the same player # and names as the first upload. Other TD's are having the same issues also, so I know it's not on my end

Thanks,
Keith

Are you sure it's not just the cache timing issue he's talked about? If you make changes, there's a timing delay in seeing them reflected in one place and not another. TDs have discovered within an hour, even 15 minutes, the changes have synched up.



Within an hour no, but sometime before 3 hours yes, as it is accurate now. Did Theo say it was something that will be corrected, because if it worked before correctly, it should work with the new changeover also.

Maybe there are subliminal ads being loaded up while you are waiting to see the names updated, and that's how they'll get TD's to try Super Class Events. :D

I use Safari.
Starting yesterday, I began to get errors opening the front page near the main video block, saying "undefined".

Maybe there are subliminal ads being loaded up while you are waiting to see the names updated, and that's how they'll get TD's to try Super Class Events.


I think research has shown that "liminal" ads are more effective. After all, they're on three sides of the new PDGA site and now four...


<font color="orange"> Run Super Class - Run Super Class - Run Super Class - Run Super Class :D</font>

Question. At one time there was a way to acces SSA info on the course setup used for a tournament.

I can't find it now. Is that a feature to be added later or is there a link I can't find?

Thanks,
Ron Pittman

I use Safari.
Starting yesterday, I began to get errors opening the front page near the main video block, saying "undefined".


i also run safari, only a slight delay in loading. i don't mind the ads, i just ignore them anyway. but i did get the undefined message on my work computer (windows)

Within an hour no, but sometime before 3 hours yes, as it is accurate now. Did Theo say it was something that will be corrected, because if it worked before correctly, it should work with the new changeover also.




Thanks to Theo or whoever fixed the issue as it is loading in Real Time now as it was before!

Thanks!

Somehow though I'm thinking of a Series of Super Class Events all the time now. :eek:
:D:D

Mozilla firefox 3 also reads undefined in the video window when I load the PDGA main page.

Question. At one time there was a way to access SSA info on the course setup used for a tournament.


Another item not linked back in yet.

Everytime I click on anything I have to sit there and watch the list of spyware being used: spe.admt.com, google.analystics, media.fastclick.net, doubleclick.net, tribalfusion etc.

I HATE that.

What data are these programs recording and sending off to unknown places? Do they stick around after I leave the PDGA site?

Is there a way to "opt out" of this sell-out? How much do you think the PDGA will make from selling my data? I'd rather pay it in cash.

I no longer visit this site daily, too much of a drag to sit and wait on all the ad plugin code.

If there are performance problems with the ads, then I would like to know about them. I have been frequenting the message board from home (a Verizon FIOS connection - very fast) and work (high speed connection also), and I haven't noticed any delays in loading message board pages. 1 to 3 seconds load on any page I have browsed to. I would like move input on this issue. Could those of you that aren't having any problems with page load times please acknowledge? Or is everyone but me having problems?

Thanks,
-Theo



For me, after each DISCussion Board page load, IE freezes &amp; delays about 10 additional seconds and Firefox delays at least 5 additional seconds. It feels like i have dialup again :(

This is minor, but on the DB main page, some of the times of the most recent post are shown and are in future time (approx. 6 hours ahead of CST). But when you look at the actual post, the time is different.

It smells like a double localtime() bug (e.g. the script converts a time it thinks is in GMT to PST, but in reality the time was already converted to your setting (CST) and thus the time displayed is GMT+14)

Something relativly minor, but my wife suggested that the new site contain some disc golf clip art/.gif/.tif/etc images that could be used on disc golf realted materials that people come up with. We always run into this when we make scorecards, flyers, handouts, etc. We use the same 1 or 2 pieces of clip art everytime. If most everybody are making their own, maybe give them the capability of uploading their art work for other people to enjoy.

At the bottom of the new course form is a link to
Latitude/Longitude Help is Available Here (http://www.pdga.com/course/find_update_gps.php)
The flash player does not seem to load properly and what does load is like the homepage but nothing about Lat/Long help.

Something relativly minor, but my wife suggested that the new site contain some disc golf clip art/.gif/.tif/etc images that could be used on disc golf realted materials that people come up with. We always run into this when we make scorecards, flyers, handouts, etc. We use the same 1 or 2 pieces of clip art everytime. If most everybody are making their own, maybe give them the capability of uploading their art work for other people to enjoy.

excellant idea! good example is the discraft site - lots of logos/line art for use in such places. it would be a great resource.

If this thing does not speed up to at least abby normal speed, I simply can not stand the wait.

Some minor stuff:

1. http://www.pdgatour.com does not work anymore. Will it be functional again one day, or should this URL instead be forwarded to http://www.pdga.com/national-tour

2. http://www.pdga.org still hasn't worked since the bot hack took place. Will it be forwarded to pdga.com at one point?

3. When on the discussion board server, if you click on the Member Search sublink, the link is broken and takes you to the home page of the web site.

4. The Steady Ed Headrick Course map PDF link at http://pdga.com/idgc/documents/HeadrickCourseMap.pdf does not work and takes you to the home page. That broken link is located in the IDGC area on the Steady Ed Course page: http://www.pdga.com/IDGC/Headrick

Hope that helps...

Some minor stuff:

1. http://www.pdgatour.com does not work anymore. Will it be functional again one day, or should this URL instead be forwarded to http://www.pdga.com/national-tour

2. http://www.pdga.org still hasn't worked since the bot hack took place. Will it be forwarded to pdga.com at one point?

3. When on the discussion board server, if you click on the Member Search sublink, the link is broken and takes you to the home page of the web site.

4. The Steady Ed Headrick Course map PDF link at http://pdga.com/idgc/documents/HeadrickCourseMap.pdf does not work and takes you to the home page. That broken link is located in the IDGC area on the Steady Ed Course page: http://www.pdga.com/IDGC/Headrick

Hope that helps...


As usual, thank you very much for the helpful feedback! Redirection of the domains has been on the list, but the others are new, and I have created tickets for them.

-Theo

When the content is wider than my laptop screen, I'm not getting the left-right scroll bar. Anybody else having this problem?

Get rid of these ads for paid users. I pay money to join the PDGA and shouldn't be bombarded with marketing. I can understand showing ads to non-paid users but I pay for this and shouldn't have to see 1/4 of the page covered in ads. ESPECIALLY on the message board which is a paid feature.

you need to pay for ads so that you can have this new website!

oh, what do you mean the most significant new feature of the website is the ads... :)

When the content is wider than my laptop screen, I'm not getting the left-right scroll bar. Anybody else having this problem?



Yes, in fact there is no scroll bar at all. It can limit looking back at previous pages. It's annoying. The new site in general is better looking but it loads slower which is aggravating. I cannot pull the menus down from the DB page. I hope some improvements are made.

When the content is wider than my laptop screen, I'm not getting the left-right scroll bar. Anybody else having this problem?


<font color="blue">I noticed this on my computer at work(windows) on the player photo page the pic of the champ freestyling.</font>




Yes, in fact there is no scroll bar at all. It can limit looking back at previous pages. It's annoying. The new site in general is better looking but it loads slower which is aggravating. I cannot pull the menus down from the DB page. I hope some improvements are made.



<font color="blue">also drop down tabs disappear when trying to access them at work, but not on the mac at home</font>

If you are on the discussion board page but then try to use the tab for "Membership" --&gt; "Member Search" it then brings up this page: http://www.pdga.com/http://www.pdga.com/member-search and doesn't bring you to the correct page.

I guess - bad link is what I'm getting at here.

Thanks Theo!

When the content is wider than my laptop screen, I'm not getting the left-right scroll bar. Anybody else having this problem?


Bruce,

Can you send me an example link?

Thanks,
-Theo

http://www.pdga.com/tour-stats
http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8308

If you click on a user name and then click on "Show all user's posts" that is non-functional.

I apologize if this has been listed before but here goes:

When you search for non-current members it only gives you one page worth (which seems to be 50 people) even though there are more matches.

This should duplicate the problem:

Type in "Martin" using the Search all members by last name: function.

Then type in "Martin" using the Search current members by last name: function.

As you can see, there are people with "Martin" after 11470 but there isn't a way for me to get to them. At least not a way that I'm seeing.

Thanks!

Using IE7, when you click on a member's rating history it gets cut off on the right-hand side and does not show the most recent ratings changes. Interestingly, it seems to show up momentarily, then appears to get "buried" under those ads everyone seems to love so much /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

Thanks,
- JPB

I know two people that have recently joined the PDGA. They cannot post to this discussion board. Both have said that they have followed the instructions from the PDGA on how to get their online status at the PDGA website active.

Is there a problem for new members?

If this question has been posed before, I apologize. I just don't want to dig through 40 pages of posts to find out the answer.

Thanks in advance for responding...

I think that if they are new members they will have to wait until they receive their new membership card in the mail. It will have their password on it that they need in order to log in for the first time.

Sounds like no new members have been able to get on the D-Board for over a month now. Theo posted back in November that it's something that hasn't been corrected yet.

where did the list of PDGA suspended players go to? Not msg board, but disc golf suspended?

Under PDGA Tour / Tournament directors, there is a link on the right side for current disciplinary actions.

does the pdga website allow us to opt-out of user-history based tracking &amp; advertising? i ask after reading the following email -&gt;

------------------
I guess privacy is fast becoming a thing of the past....did you know
yahoo was tracking everywhere you go......I wonder who else has
this "clause" and obsure words in their "I agree" thing we never read!

Yahoo is Tracking Group Members

If you belong to ANY Yahoo Groups - be aware that Yahoo is now
using "Web Beacons" to track every Yahoo Group user. It's similar to
cookies, but allows Yahoo to record every website and every group you
visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo.

Look at their updated privacy statement at
http://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/details.html

About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, you will
see a link that says *WEB BEACONS*.

Click on the phrase "Web Beacons."

On the page that opens, on the left find a box entitled "Opt-Out." In
that section find "opt-out of interest-matched advertising" link,
that will let you "opt-out" of their snooping. Click it and then
click the opt-out button on the next page.

Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-
out of it - is not user-specific. It is MACHINE specific. That means
you will have to opt-out on every computer (and browser) you use.

Please forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too,
but I'm not sure if anyone is listening. I remember when they signed
all users up to get spam and we had to opt out of that a few years
ago.
Related article:
http://antivirus.about.com/od/spywareandadware/a/yahoobugs.htm

Rob, we do not have a privacy policy that is linked from the Discussion Board pages, or from the home page, that i could find. privacy policies require thought, care and usually legal advice. i am surprised we are without one - websites really need them ,especially one that are oriented towards maximizing revenue from visitors. do we have one hidden somewhere?

i dont think its a new problem, but the 'search' feature of the message board is terrible, it seems to always find results, but never the results that you want. even when you know its there and saw it the day before, it cannot locate the post or thread.

For the discussion board, I can't change my settings (Main Configuration). All I get is an asterisk.

For the tournament schedule, will the Advanced Search be returned at some point? I found it extremely helpful to be able to limit searches to certain states.

Is there a way to add a link to a course's statistics when using the course directory?

Also, is there a direct link to course stats? The drop down for courses only gives the directory and development as options.

Try this: www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course (http://www.pdga.com/course-ratings-by-course)

I saved this in my favorites. Not sure why the link isn't easily found on the site if it's even there currently.

It looks like some of the changes to the navigation didn't get added to the forum as well. For example, the PDGA Tour drop down is missing several links when you are browsing the forum, but not on the main site.

In the Search All Members by Name, it only finds one page worth of listings then stops. I searched on Smith and it only got to member 7825 with no second page to continue.

For the tournament schedule, will the Advanced Search be returned at some point? I found it extremely helpful to be able to limit searches to certain states.



I agree, the Advanced Search for the tour schedule was an extremely useful feature for me. I really hope it returns soon.

While I understand some sponsorship of the message board and site is good, I think we have totally crossed the line to trashy. Holy cow, i've never seen so many freakin ads. And not ads for discgolf stuff, we're talking weight loss, viagra, sylvan, anti-fatigue, and assorted other crap. a full 25% of the main page is advertising. IMO it makes the site look trashy. And very commercial. Just the kind of site i usually avoid. When you have more ads than yahoo.com, you know you've crossed the line. Thanks for bringing the site up to date, but i think you have made a huge mistake with this ad thing.

For the tournament schedule, will the Advanced Search be returned at some point? I found it extremely helpful to be able to limit searches to certain states.



I agree, the Advanced Search for the tour schedule was an extremely useful feature for me. I really hope it returns soon.


It's on the list of things to be completed, but right now we're dealing with some changes related to membership processing and sanctioning agreements. Once those are done, I'll get back to the handful of missing features from the old site.

-Theo

It looks like some of the changes to the navigation didn't get added to the forum as well. For example, the PDGA Tour drop down is missing several links when you are browsing the forum, but not on the main site.


I have opened up a ticket on this problem. Thanks!

-Theo

In the Search All Members by Name, it only finds one page worth of listings then stops. I searched on Smith and it only got to member 7825 with no second page to continue.


Chuck,
I opened up a ticket for this bug.

Thanks,
-Theo

For the tournament schedule, will the Advanced Search be returned at some point? I found it extremely helpful to be able to limit searches to certain states.



I agree, the Advanced Search for the tour schedule was an extremely useful feature for me. I really hope it returns soon.


It's on the list of things to be completed, but right now we're dealing with some changes related to membership processing and sanctioning agreements. Once those are done, I'll get back to the handful of missing features from the old site.

-Theo




Really looking forward to the Advanced search as well...

Theo,
not sure it this has ABP but on the Player Ratings history page the adds on the right side of the website overlap the information. so you are not able to view all the informtaion.

Is there any way to go with just header and footer ads and nav data on the tournament result pages ?

Theo
I posted this on 12/11 and notice that it is still the same. Guess that you missed the post.
At the bottom of the New Course Form (http://www.pdga.com/course-edit?action=insert&amp;id=0) is a link to
Latitude/Longitude Help is Available Here (http://www.pdga.com/course/find_update_gps.php)
The flash player does not seem to load properly and what does load is like the homepage but nothing about Lat/Long help.

Theo
I posted this on 12/11 and notice that it is still the same. Guess that you missed the post.
At the bottom of the New Course Form (http://www.pdga.com/course-edit?action=insert&amp;id=0) is a link to
Latitude/Longitude Help is Available Here (http://www.pdga.com/course/find_update_gps.php)
The flash player does not seem to load properly and what does load is like the homepage but nothing about Lat/Long help.


I'm sorry I missed that one. I opened up a ticket.

Thanks,
-Theo

Is there any way to go with just header and footer ads and nav data on the tournament result pages ?


I don't work on the site layout and ad blocks. I will open up a ticket and see if someone else can look into it.

Thanks,
-Theo

Theo,
not sure it this has ABP but on the Player Ratings history page the adds on the right side of the website overlap the information. so you are not able to view all the informtaion.


Some work was done last November to improve the display of the Player Ratings history page, but it needs more work. The ticket is still open.

Thanks,
-Theo

Thank you for the reply Theo.

Having some trouble with the player upload function on the tournament admin pages. I add players and they show up in the preview window but aren't displayed in the public tournament results.

Never had this problem before, any ideas?

AR

Are they there now? There's a timing delay in the server cache that prevents you from seeing changes for up to an hour after you make them.

Thanks Chuck, I started to figure that out the next morning when I noticed they had uploaded overnight. Looks like that is all the problem was.

Theo,

I have always wondered why there is no posted information for the disc golf courses used at events on the Tour Event Information pages. When a user clicks on "Event Info" on the Tour Event Results pages, it shows a variety of information, but it does not show what courses were used. It would be nice to have this info available since it obviously is included in TD reports. The information could also be linked to existing course pages - perhaps providing more page views in the long run.

Just a thought. Thanks,
Brian

That's been on the technical "To Do" list for 4-5 years now. The Course Stats link has been on the Event results page for several years now which links to the SSAs of the courses played.

Theo,
Not a biggie but the pull down menus are missing some submenu items when you're in the Discussion Board (IE7). In the PDGA HQ submenu list, the Documents and Org Documents subs are missing. In the PDGA Tour submenu the Officials and Statistics links are missing.

Theo,
Not a biggie but the pull down menus are missing some submenu items when you're in the Discussion Board (IE7). In the PDGA HQ submenu list, the Documents and Org Documents subs are missing. In the PDGA Tour submenu the Officials and Statistics links are missing.

In IE6 the pulldown menus don't work at all when you're in the Discussion Board. I have to navigate back to home. But the pull down menus work from most other pages in IE6.

Theo,
not sure it this has ABP but on the Player Ratings history page the adds on the right side of the website overlap the information. so you are not able to view all the informtaion.


Some work was done last November to improve the display of the Player Ratings history page, but it needs more work. The ticket is still open.

Thanks,
-Theo



Also, if you try to email the Ratings History - anyone's - you always get Yeti's stats. I mean, they're impressive and all, but still....

Theo,
Not a biggie but the pull down menus are missing some submenu items when you're in the Discussion Board (IE7). In the PDGA HQ submenu list, the Documents and Org Documents subs are missing. In the PDGA Tour submenu the Officials and Statistics links are missing.


Chuck,

I noted that one a week or so ago. Dave is doing the menu bar updates, and we have to manually apply the Drupal changes to the message board code we used to integrate UBB.threads to the Drupal look and feel. It's a pain, and we're looking forward to migrating to a new message board that is tightly integrated with Drupal.

-Theo

One of the features of the old website that I liked was the ability to create your own tour. The schedule would allow you to create a list of "My Events" depending on what you wanted by the type of event or geography. I cannot find this in the new website. I live in the Chicago area and would have "My Events" list anything in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Wisconsin. I could get a short list of possible events. Each time I returned to PDGA.com it would remember the parameters that I had set for "My Events". Will this feature, in any form, be returning?

The new website is congested with advertising. Did the Board vote to increase advertising at the users expense? Maybe if we have this many ads, our player dues will be decreased. This is annoying to me. The website doesn't load any faster! Thanks.

Theo, the same goes for Macs using Safari 3.1.2.

Also, the past 2 weeks have been much slower loading the front page (using both Safari and IE7). The front page banner ads have been jumping around (seemingly following my cursor) too. Thanks for any attention you can give to this.

Another verification here that the entire PDGA site (esp the homepage) feels as if its being served off of a personal computer from a slow dsl connection.

I'm unable to sort the rankings by state - which I enjoyed doing. The new web site works much more slowly for me and consistently stalls after a page or two. I'm running a Mac w/Safari 3.2.1 -

NHL.com (http://www.nhl.com) is very similar to our home page and it loads slow for me too. I really have no idea, but maybe it's an underlying issue with Drupal.

One of the features of the old website that I liked was the ability to create your own tour. The schedule would allow you to create a list of "My Events" depending on what you wanted by the type of event or geography. I cannot find this in the new website. I live in the Chicago area and would have "My Events" list anything in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Wisconsin. I could get a short list of possible events. Each time I returned to PDGA.com it would remember the parameters that I had set for "My Events". Will this feature, in any form, be returning?



This feature was a bonus. Hopefully it will be back soon. It hasn't been too painful that it hasn't been available, but hopefully the weather will break soon and it will be tourney time in the midwest.

Also, what is the status on increasing the speed of the site? It has been much slower since the change over. Has there been any discussion regarding the speed or is it something that we just need to get used to?

Thanks.

They're not doing anything to optimize the D-Board since it will be replaced in a few months with new software.

Chuck, such a change wouldn't matter for access times as this board and the new one are hosted from the same server and access a MYSQL database.

People are talking about the ENTIRE pdga domain, message board included.

The HTTP request GET /msgboard/openx/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid=35&amp;campaignid=1&amp;zoneid=16&amp;cb=ab218 24110 HTTP/1.1 takes over a minute before the HTTP/1.1 200 OK and the 43 byte gif can be returned. I can type the response faster than that. It isn't a network problem as the TCP acks are immediate.

I guess I haven't noticed any speed issues on the site other than the D-Board with IE7. I'm opening multiple browser windows - while a post is posting and I'm waiting, I'm opening another browser window to look at another post, then open another window to open another post to offset some of the delays.

I mainly noticed because the page will be essentially done loading, but the "loading in progress" indicator in the browser continues for another minute.

One of the features of the old website that I liked was the ability to create your own tour. The schedule would allow you to create a list of "My Events" depending on what you wanted by the type of event or geography. I cannot find this in the new website. I live in the Chicago area and would have "My Events" list anything in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Wisconsin. I could get a short list of possible events. Each time I returned to PDGA.com it would remember the parameters that I had set for "My Events". Will this feature, in any form, be returning?


I finished migrating that feature last weekend, and it's being tested now. We should have it online soon!

-Theo

I mainly noticed because the page will be essentially done loading, but the "loading in progress" indicator in the browser continues for another minute.


I've noticed the same thing. I'm assuming it's related to the scripts and ad server code. We have migrated to a new server that has twice the horsepower and memory of the old one.

For me, I can read posts and continue to navigate, even though the browser progress indicator indicates the page isn't done loading. Is that the case with others, or are there people that aren't even getting the post text without long delays?

-Theo

I mainly noticed because the page will be essentially done loading, but the "loading in progress" indicator in the browser continues for another minute.


I've noticed the same thing. I'm assuming it's related to the scripts and ad server code. We have migrated to a new server that has twice the horsepower and memory of the old one.

For me, I can read posts and continue to navigate, even though the browser progress indicator indicates the page isn't done loading. Is that the case with others, or are there people that aren't even getting the post text without long delays?

-Theo



As noted on another thread, the redirect after posting is delayed until that straggler finishes serving up the image.

After making a post the following message is displayed:
Your post has been entered. In a moment you will be automatically returned to the forum.

How it should read:
Your post has been entered. In a minute or two you will be automatically returned to the forum.

For me, I can read posts and continue to navigate, even though the browser progress indicator indicates the page isn't done loading. Is that the case with others, or are there people that aren't even getting the post text without long delays?

-Theo



while i am waiting (and i even switched to Firefox to help slightly) the page is frozen and i cannot scroll down to the latest post for the first half of the loading -- i am pretty much stuck in limbo for a long enough time that it seems 'wrong' / broken / poor / etc.

I too notice long waits before you can actually do anything like make a post or click a link.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the rotating click ads??
If its generating a decent revenue or building a relationship thats seems like a fair trade off, but I'm sure we would all rather " not wait" if we dont have to.

whats the cause?

Also,,,, there seems to be some big time companies that are advertising on the site through these click ads.
What's the cost for these rotating ads compared to the ones the disc golf companies are paying at the tops of the discussion pages?

I too notice long waits before you can actually do anything like make a post or click a link.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the rotating click ads??
If its generating a decent revenue or building a relationship thats seems like a fair trade off, but I'm sure we would all rather " not wait" if we dont have to.

whats the cause?

Also,,,, there seems to be some big time companies that are advertising on the site through these click ads.
What's the cost for these rotating ads compared to the ones the disc golf companies are paying at the tops of the discussion pages?



Ditto.

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Also,,,, there seems to be some big time companies that are advertising on the site through these click ads.
What's the cost for these rotating ads compared to the ones the disc golf companies are paying at the tops of the discussion pages?


I'm sure you could ask to find out how to get in the wrapper ad service although your ads would be running on all kinds of additional sports and outdoors websites that don't necessarily reach your target market.

I don't know if this has been addressed, but the drop down menus are only worknig on the home page. I cannot access tourny info from this page.

I don't know if this has been addressed, but the drop down menus are only worknig on the home page. I cannot access tourny info from this page.


all ok here, and the board has been loading faster the last few days

Seems OK now...and yes it has been a little quicker...but still pretty much the slowest site I visit. :confused: I miss the days before they took it back.

And it still takes a long time to load.

I don't really post here much anymore but the website really used to be fun/easy to follow now I can't seem to ever use it like I used to. The stats/tournament stuff/disc news etc. Seems like a big project keeping the message board going -- doesn't seem worth it. Just make a real statistically heavy site with results, ratings, scoreboard stuff, etc. I would enjoy that -- besides there's only eight jillion disc golf message boards on the web.

my biggest problem with the website is the dropdown menu at the top of the page I feel like I am chasing the rainbow from a water hose just when I think I grabbed it, it disapears. I can't count how many times I have tried to go to the tournament results and the entire drop down disappears and I do that 20 times before it finally stays there.

Theo
I've been looking for this My Events feature and do not see it yet, am I missing something? You mentioned (below) that you had migrated it about a month ago. Also the drop down menus on the discussion board all link back to the discusion board, not Home or anywhere else.
Thanks

Theo's post from 2/4/9


One of the features of the old website that I liked was the ability to create your own tour. The schedule would allow you to create a list of "My Events" depending on what you wanted by the type of event or geography. I cannot find this in the new website. I live in the Chicago area and would have "My Events" list anything in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Wisconsin. I could get a short list of possible events. Each time I returned to PDGA.com it would remember the parameters that I had set for "My Events". Will this feature, in any form, be returning?


I finished migrating that feature last weekend, and it's being tested now. We should have it online soon!

-Theo

Theo -
Can u please get this link working asap, or let me know if you can't. I use it on all my marketing materials but i can't get it to work. New programs begin this next week.

Thanks,
Steve Kuzenski
PDGA Radio

I am being lazy I admit it it. I don't want to read through it all. But this is way less user freindly.

If I want to look at scores for a tournament it is an ORDEAL to try to keep the drop down menu and then hit schedule. It ALWAYS dissappears and I have talked to a lot of people that say the same thing.

I now come to this site WAY WAY less often.Where as before I came and navigated and looked around a lot. Yes I partially admit it is winter so less tournaments. But that also means MORE darkness and time to look around.

Sorry my two cents. And again i admit it I am LAZY and don't want to go read way back if there were any pointers how to avoid this. I work all day on a computer so when I am off I don't look too much. I know look at work and get paid to do it.

That's a good idea. My first one in a while.

Sorry Rambling.

You all have a good day.

I'm really looking forward to the My Events and Advanced Search feature in the tournament schedule to return. Tournaments season is almost here. Any word on these features?


Theo
I've been looking for this My Events feature and do not see it yet, am I missing something? You mentioned (below) that you had migrated it about a month ago. Also the drop down menus on the discussion board all link back to the discusion board, not Home or anywhere else.
Thanks

Theo's post from 2/4/9


One of the features of the old website that I liked was the ability to create your own tour. The schedule would allow you to create a list of "My Events" depending on what you wanted by the type of event or geography. I cannot find this in the new website. I live in the Chicago area and would have "My Events" list anything in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Wisconsin. I could get a short list of possible events. Each time I returned to PDGA.com it would remember the parameters that I had set for "My Events". Will this feature, in any form, be returning?


I finished migrating that feature last weekend, and it's being tested now. We should have it online soon!

-Theo

Trying to do a member search and for some reason the drop down menus cover up the search boxes when I try to click on them. When I was finally able to search by last name I can't click on the name because the drop down menu covers it up as I move my mouse pointer over it. I tried to scroll the page down so that the menu items don't show up at the top of the screen but the the menus still drop down to cover the name. Very very very frustrating.

The menus at the top defintely need work. I can no longer check member results for prior years because the navigation bar along the top expands down without touching it, and it has "clear blanks" that cover the 2008, 2007, 2006 etc. links.

I'm using IE6 on an XP Pro SP2 machine.

The menus at the top defintely need work. I can no longer check member results for prior years because the navigation bar along the top expands down without touching it, and it has "clear blanks" that cover the 2008, 2007, 2006 etc. links.

I'm using IE6 on an XP Pro SP2 machine.




It's not an issue with XP Home SP3 and IE7.

Pretty please :D


I'm really looking forward to the My Events and Advanced Search feature in the tournament schedule to return. Tournaments season is almost here. Any word on these features?

The current FireFox works great, no problems that I can see, and loads in a second.

The current FireFox works great, no problems that I can see, and loads in a second.



Whoopee. Thanks for that update.

About half of the Affiliate Club threads are gone! :(

MISC section just disappeared on me, as I was posting.

Now, they're starting to come back but in the top tournament section?????????????????


Nope, wrong again, now they are coming back into the Misc section but empty.

An admin must be doing some maintenance. Please sit tight and everything should be back in working order in due time.

now over half the affiliated clubs have disappeard????????????????

Way behind Seewhere..............hopefully it all gets back up soon. Our club has a lot going on and we need it.

Thank you for the quick response and fixing the problem.

I'm really looking forward to the My Events and Advanced Search feature in the tournament schedule to return. Tournaments season is almost here. Any word on these features?



Yeah�I have to say that those features plus being able to sort players in each state by their rating was just about the only thing I used on the site (a few times per week). Now that they�re gone I find myself only visiting the site MAYBE once per month.

I cannot get to some portions of the website when using my PDA/phone using Windows Mobile Standard. I can only access some of the menus at the top. I believe, FAQ, Home and Discussion. I cannot get to the schedule, meaning I cannot look at results of tournaments. I was always able to do this with the old website. My local tournament TD's are wizards and often have socres posted to PDGA before we even leave the course. (Hey, we may have no elevation and may not have great courses, but we have tremendous TD's here in the flatlands) I cannot check the scores and unofficial ratings. Can this be tweaked? I think the dropdown menue showing the schedule, officials etc on the PDGA Tour menu is the problem. It would be great if there was a single button or link to get to the schedule. Also, I cannot access the membership menu from the PDA. If so, I could look up a member, myself or anybody, and then get to any event and finally get to the schedule.

The "lite" version of IE on the phone may be the problem. I have used a program called Skyfire and can navigate a little better. However, I still cannot get the schedule.

Thanks.

Please see the new Miscellaneous Disc Golf Topics sub-forum! :cool:

how much was spent on the website update and can the membership get a timeline on the roll-out thereof? (or a timeline of when the timeline might get rolled out) ;)

can the membership get a timeline on the roll-out thereof? (or a timeline of when the timeline might get rolled out) ;)



This should answer that question (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=918531&amp;Main=918531#Post9 18531).

thanks Jeff. now, can you tell me where i left the remote? :D

No *censored**censored**censored*ociations or p*censored**censored**censored*words on the new board. Freakin hilarious.

HERE ARE SOME CONFIGURATIONS WHICH I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT USERS ENACT TO BEST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE THE NEW SOFTWARE:

* Click on User CP in the meny above
* Check the box next to "Receive Email Notification of New Private Messages" so that you are notified when you get a new PM
* Check the box next to "Show New Private Message Notification Pop-up" so that when you have a new PM, a window will pop up to let you know.
* Under "Number of Posts to Show Per Page" choose the maximum: "Show 40 posts per page"
* Under "Default Thread Age Cut Off" choose "Show All Threads"
* Time Zone/ DST : Choose your appropriate time zone.
* Message Editor Interface - THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SETTING - Choose "Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG editor." This will allow you to see the fully-fledged editor, which allows you to format your text as you want it and see the results immediately.

I don't want to be a censored, but this board does not seem to be an improvement. It seems to be the opposite of improvement.

I don't want to be a censored, but this board does not seem to be an improvement. It seems to be the opposite of improvement.

As with all new things, there is an adjustment period where unfamiliarity trumps recognition of increased performance. When you change your default options to the enhanced Interface and see the wonderful new posting options, you may soon appreciate how much better the vBulletin message software is.

I want to change my display name!

why does it say I have a bunch of new inbox messages

why does it say I have a bunch of new inbox messages

Across from "Private Messages in Folder: Inbox http://www.pdga.com/discussion/images/misc/menu_open.gif " on the upper right, next to Messages, check the box to check all messages.

Then down at the bottom, from the dropdown menu next to "Selected Messages" choose "Mark as read" and then hit "Go."

I'd love to try all of that Jeff, however, everytime I go to the UserCP I get an error that I am missing a security token, therefore I cannot change anything.

I ran into the security token error message too. If you click fast enough on one of the items on the left you can manage to avoid the redirect.

Several default user-friendly options should be set by the admin, such as PM popup, email from PM, enable quick reply by default, etc. I was a beta tester but didn't get to spend much time making recommendations or offering my vbulletin administration expertise.

A couple of these options may require an SQL query but not hard to do.

You should also be able to set all the club forums as 'collapsed' by default which would make the overall board much easier to navigate.

hey Jeff how do I add back my avatatr?

hey Jeff how do I add back my avatatr?

Apparently not functional yet. The administrator has been notified.

Several default user-friendly options should be set by the admin, such as PM popup, email from PM, enable quick reply by default, etc. I was a beta tester but didn't get to spend much time making recommendations or offering my vbulletin administration expertise.


If you would, please send an e-mail to [email protected] ([email protected]) to notify the administrator about it.

In the meantime, here are some configurations which I HIGHLY reccomend that users enact to best take advantage of the new software:

* Click on User CP in the menu above
* Check the box next to "Receive Email Notification of New Private Messages" so that you are notified when you get a new PM
* Check the box next to "Show New Private Message Notification Pop-up" so that when you have a new PM, a window will pop up to let you know.
* Under "Number of Posts to Show Per Page" choose the maximum: "Show 40 posts per page"
* Under "Default Thread Age Cut Off" choose "Show All Threads"
* Time Zone/ DST : Choose your appropriate time zone.
* Message Editor Interface - THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SETTING - Choose "Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG editor." This will allow you to see the fully-fledged editor, which allows you to format your text as you want it and see the results immediately.

If you would, please send an e-mail to [email protected] ([email protected]) to notify the administrator about it.

In the meantime, here are some configurations which I HIGHLY reccomend that users enact to best take advantage of the new software:

* Click on User CP in the menu above
* Check the box next to "Receive Email Notification of New Private Messages" so that you are notified when you get a new PM
* Check the box next to "Show New Private Message Notification Pop-up" so that when you have a new PM, a window will pop up to let you know.
* Under "Number of Posts to Show Per Page" choose the maximum: "Show 40 posts per page"
* Under "Default Thread Age Cut Off" choose "Show All Threads"
* Time Zone/ DST : Choose your appropriate time zone.
* Message Editor Interface - THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SETTING - Choose "Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG editor." This will allow you to see the fully-fledged editor, which allows you to format your text as you want it and see the results immediately.
these are all settings that can be made default by the admin, and should :)

Apparently not functional yet. The administrator has been notified.ok thank you .. what is the deal with messages having to contain at least 10 characters? I was trying to say ok thanks and it would not let me

the min character option is also configurable in the admin CP.

3 characters (coupled with 'minimum time between posts' = 30 as a precaution) makes it easy for people to reply with a lol :)

are all old Affiliate clubs threads gone? We only have 2009 and just a few of those?

didn't read through all 500 posts so I apologize if this has been addressed

my PM's from 2004 were on there also. CRAZY

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9682/panich.gif

Why can we still not have images in our signatures? The site is already incredibly image heavy with ads and banners, now top it off with the biggest avatars I've seen on any forum, why not signatures? Give a height/width limit and file size limit, and of course the option for users to turn them off.

Please?

I don't want to be a censored, but this board does not seem to be an improvement. It seems to be the opposite of improvement.


vBulletin is 100% better software than the crap we had... vBulletin can be configured so many ways. Its much easier to Admin, better to update, and can be configured many many ways.

What a great upgrade!!!! I'm very impressed that we had less that 24hrs down time.. Its not easy to convert from one type of forum software to another w/out a huge number of problems. Very Vary impressed!!

Good job to who ever handled the conversion.

Regards
- Chris A

P.S. Since we have this new and improved software any chance we can load and or dev our own skins for the forum? Anyone working on this?

When i click on "User CP" i get the below message. So far, old board 1, new board 0.


"Your submission could not be processed because a security token was missing.

If this occurred unexpectedly, please inform the administrator and describe the action you performed before you received this error."

Use this url to get to the UserCP w/o hitting the error page:
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/profile.php?do=editprofile

NEW DISCUSSION BOARD Q&A:

Q: What's with the "Security token issue with the UserCP?"


A: It turns out that this is a known small bug in the software that pops up every now and again and should be fixed in the next release of vBulletin. Use this url to get to the UserCP without hitting the error page:


http://www.pdga.com/discussion/profile.php?do=editprofile


Q: Why can't I change my login name? I want a different display name from my login name.


A: We have added a custom profile field called "Display Name" which will supersede their login name if it is filled in.


Q: Why aren't graemlins working from previous board?


A: Graemlins and smilies have been moved over and should now be shown.


Q: Why isn't home (www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com/)) working from the discussion board?


A: That was fixed as of this morning.


Q: Why were users not able to upload or change avatars?

A: This was a small config issue that was tracked down and fixed.


Q: Now that avatars are enabled, why do some avatars appear enormously big? In the user control panel, it says that avatars must be a maximum size of 80 X 80 pixels or 19.5 KB, whichever is smaller. Some avatars are clearly over that.


A: The restrictions are in place now, however if avatars from the old message board were ported in, they can get around the restriction limits until the user edits their avatar.

We will allow a grace period for users to comply with the new restrictions. However, at some later point TBD, we will begin removing old avatars that do not meet the current standards.

NEW DISCUSSION BOARD Q&A:

Q: What's with the "Security token issue with the UserCP?"


A: It turns out that this is a known small bug in the software that pops up every now and again and should be fixed in the next release of vBulletin. Use this url to get to the UserCP without hitting the error page:


http://www.pdga.com/discussion/profi...do=editprofile (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/profi...do=editprofile)





Your link is bad...

NEW DISCUSSION BOARD Q&A:


Q: Why can't I change my login name? I want a different display name from my login name.


A: We have added a custom profile field called "Display Name" which will supersede their login name if it is filled in.




It still won't change...