mine showed up today! i've gotten as far as the fron cover - i never saw the Fountain like that before! very cool :)

Bold. Edgy. Colorful. Risqu�.

From cover to cover, it grabs your attention.

I love it! :cool:

Whoa risque' ? Any probabtion issues? :D

I'm still waiting for my copy..... :mad:

I received my copy on Saturday and I give it two thumbers up! Good job, Rich and staff! :)

Still waiting on mine in Oklahoma.

Got mine on Friday. A good start, but could use a touch of professionalism. As an example, I really didn't need the Ron Jeremy reference as part of the Guts article.

Hopefully moving forward they keep in mind that the audience is mixed.

haven't gotten mine.

It's a very different magazine. Lots of small, short features, breezy writing. I liked it.

i liked the font size :) the articles are readable, effectively sized, and relevant. looks like the Mag is off to a solid start.

Reading articles instead of ads was pretty nice. Did i miss the "transition"-esque type article?

yeah, sounds like ya did

Love the new magazine. Much better than the previous mag. I like that it focuses more on the game, courses, technique, etc. rather than what seemed like almost entirely pro's/tournaments in the previous incarnation.

I've just thumbed through it but I do like what I've seen so far. I do like the emphasis on different types of disc sports within, not just on disc golf. Not that I do much else but disc golf but it could create more interest in other disc sports. I'll be interested if they can keep up the strong performance for each issue or if they used all their ammo on the first issue

-MADMAX

The contents of the Mag are good. A few articles I really liked. I am upset at the condition in which my magazine showed up to me. It is torn and tattered. They definitely need to wrap it in plastic or give it some kind of protection. I wanted to save it as the "first run" but my issue is ugly.

All in all it is a great first effort. My only suggestion would be to credit photographers better and caption the photos.

Examples:

There is an awesome photo of a player on page 59. I like the photo because it captures the true grace of disc golf. We don't know who is in the photo and we have no idea what hole is being shown. It also takes a bit of searching (back to page 54) to see the photographer is Jerry Gotcher.

Chuck Kennedy wrote a fantastic article on the National Tour Preview, but none of the 7 photos are credited. On page 68 we are shown a fabulous view from a teepad, but we will never know what course or hole is pictured. On page 69 are photos of two players. I only recognize one. How exciting is it to get your photo in the magazine if the only people who will know it is you are your friends and family?

Also, sometimes no photo would be better than a dark or grainy photo like the one of Feldberg on page 63.

Who is the person in the picture on page 80 and who took it. Is it Randy Michael Signor?

On page 87 are a couple of photos of Jeff Homburg running tests on discs. Without credit, most will never know who it is and what exactly are the tests he is performing.

Old folks should appreciate the larger type, but I thought it made it look less polished. Also, can someone explain what Ron Jeremy does at 28mph and what does it have to do with Guts?

Again, I liked the magazine and the articles. The magazine still acts as a glossy, professional calling card for disc golf. I would be glad to give it to parks directors and others looking to add disc golf to the community.

Overall, I like the magazine, and I think it's going in the right direction. HOWEVER, it needs some proffessionalism. The Ron Jeremy 28mph reference in the GUTS article is just disgusting, unproffessional and unpleasant. I have a filthy mouth, a deranged sense of humor heavily leaning on sexual innuendo and lewdness, but I don't think we need that in our magazie. BAD idea to represent the sport, even if it was in an article about GUTS. We just really don't need the phrases 'full facial' and 'Ron Jeremy' in the same article, do we? Yuck.
In the Players Cup article Garrett Guthrie's last name was spelled "Gurthie" throughout. Basic proofreading, people! Hellooo??!! Also, the 'outsider's view of disc golf' column, while an interesting concept was very poorly executed. The author admits she hasn't bothered to actually do any fieldwork because it is winter, instead relying on reading on the internets to get her research done. Ok, fine. But please, when was the last time a real disc golf player called the sport "frolf" or "folf"? Please. Charges not accepted, hon. Try again. Teasing disc golfers for being nerdy could be funny, but pick something we actually do, like obsess over a specific run of 'domey, beaded, aviars in light magenta from October, 2004', not "frolf" for gosh sake! These are my main criticisms, there were some other things, like text over dark background photos, poorly captioned photos, etc.
Again, overall I really liked it. I liked the mix of articles, the instructional stuff, the less glossy ads, and the general feel of the issue. Just tighten up the editing, lose the supposedly "edgy" humor, and represent this sport we all love and want to promote. Thanks!

Yeah those Gurthie kids are really cool

Met and played with Evan Gurthie at the 2001 Worlds and now Double G is World Class!

They got the name sorry... ;)

Ummm, it IS Gurthie not Guthrie...

The contents of the Mag are good. A few articles I really liked. I am upset at the condition in which my magazine showed up to me. It is torn and tattered. They definitely need to wrap it in plastic or give it some kind of protection. I wanted to save it as the "first run" but my issue is ugly.


ditto

Ok, well then it was spelled right in the article and mis-spelled in at least one caption or graphic, leading to my confusion. I can see why it's confusing, as Guthrie seems to be a more common name.

We've got both spellings as PDGA members, just not in the same family... :)

I find the Ron Jeremy reference offensive, disturbing, and completely inappropriate. How many of our younger players are going to google his name after reading the article on guts. I don't think a disc golf magazine should be the impetus for such a search!

Mr. Jeremy is a shining example of a man overcoming a physical deformity and using it to live his dreams!

Love the new magazine. Much better than the previous mag. I like that it focuses more on the game, courses, technique, etc. rather than what seemed like almost entirely pro's/tournaments in the previous incarnation.



Couldn't agree more. My very first question to both publisher Dave Hendrickson of Disc Golf Magazine and Rich Givens of Flying Disc Magazine when I found out they were launching new disc golf publications was whether these magazines would be also focused primarily on professional tournament play, and was pleased to hear they wouldn't be.

I think disc golf is still at the stage where we need to concentrate on fundamental throwing techniques, getting new and better courses approved and installed, disc golf equipment, how to form local & regional clubs, getting youth involved, growing the sport internationally, etc. I would argue that even when disc golf reaches the next level, there should still be a focus on the basics of the sport over competition. Of the tens of millions of people who play recreational golf or tennis, how many are primarily interested only in reading about the professional tours in those sports?

The contents of the Mag are good. A few articles I really liked. I am upset at the condition in which my magazine showed up to me. It is torn and tattered. They definitely need to wrap it in plastic or give it some kind of protection. I wanted to save it as the "first run" but my issue is ugly.


ditto



same here.

they could lose the guts article entirely as far as i'm concerned. i could care less about other disc sports.

they could lose the guts article entirely as far as i'm concerned. i could care less about other disc sports.



Many of us likely feel the same way, but with the hope of getting subscribers from other disc sports and the ultimate goal of selling the magazine on newsstands around the country, we'll surely be seeing more of these articles. It's called Flying Disc Magazine for a reason. :D

Got mine yesterday. And I'd say the condition that I received it was probably the worst part. I didn't even have a back cover. I would definately recommend a plastic covering for the mailing process.
Otherwise, I liked the magazine thought it was great.

The contents of the Mag are good. A few articles I really liked. I am upset at the condition in which my magazine showed up to me. It is torn and tattered. They definitely need to wrap it in plastic or give it some kind of protection. I wanted to save it as the "first run" but my issue is ugly.


ditto



ditto/ second/ agree/ me too/ can't stress it enough

My copy started roughly on page 5...the cover was torn and the first few pages were pretty much unreadable...but I like the overall layout.

Does it really cost that much more to put in a plastic mailer like the previous magazine?

Hey Shane, could you change the user name and avatar to lose the obvious reference?

Drugs are bad, MMMM-Kay.

the thought police strike again!!

Feeling optimistic today perhaps. Thinking that if we all were nice and helped each other out, the moderators wouldn't keep being put in a bad situation.

I have not got my issue yet, but I can't wait to see the article on Moraine state park disc golf course because I was one of the designers of the course and I get to play there everyday. It's the ultimate compliment to the hard work that has gone into making that course

tkieffer - nope, that's been my internet user/screen name since I've been using the internet

The avatar does change from time to time...I've been listening to alot of Allman Brothers lately and felt like using it

draw your own conclusions, but for your comfort, I'll change the avatar.

just got mine today... magazine looked good inside and out... keep it up!

I still haven't gotten mine :mad:

I don't think there's anything wrong with devoting a little more than 2% of the pages to the game of guts.

There are those of us who play other disc sports, and there are those who might be interested in trying other sports. Also, there are enough events around where other events are played that having a passing idea of the rules might be useful.

While I don't play guts, I play ultimate and a little DDC and goaltimate now and then...

That's cool, didn't catch that the avatar was from the Allman Bros. I'll have to pull out some of my old vinyl sometime and check the covers.

First poor Ron Jeremy, now Silly for his handle. Hmmmmm, maybe anything, anyone sees as an affront to their own views can be banned. I can see it now, nothing but page upon page of, "Do I have to use a mini, or can I just flip?" by member # XXXXXXX. No avatar, thanks, a kitty cat may offend a dog lover. Give me a break!

The mag was good. the only thing I hate about it is that they get a forum to post on which is closed to everyone else. It would make sense to have a thread like that for announcements, but the way it is now just forces disorganization. i'd love to discuss their new style, contests, etc... but I'm locked out of their thread. so I'll just keep (the rest of) my feedback to myself :D

It is stated quite prominently underneath the Flying Disc Magazine subforum that it is for "Official announcements and communication from Flying Disc Magazine" and I don't know what's preventing you from discussing their new style, contests, etc.. to your hearts content on this thread or any other thread of your choosing. :confused:

easy bro.....maybe he was misguided, and you just provided the outlet for which he was seeking.

First poor Ron Jeremy, now Silly for his handle. Hmmmmm, maybe anything, anyone sees as an affront to their own views can be banned. I can see it now, nothing but page upon page of, "Do I have to use a mini, or can I just flip?" by member # XXXXXXX. No avatar, thanks, a kitty cat may offend a dog lover. Give me a break!



I actually like gross humor. But why would a reference to a porn star ummm.....blasting off....be in this magazine? It's not a freedom of speech issue, it's a pull your head out of your butt issue and realize that you're supposed to be putting together a proffessional publication about disc golf and other flying disc sports, not Mad magazine. Which I loved as a kid btw. I'm not offended in general by disgusting humor, I am a purveyor of it to the chagrin of my friends and family. This reference was wildly out of place in that article and besides being inappropriate for the context, it just makes no sense and looks unprofessional. This is not a discussion board icon, it's a publication representing a sport and an organization.

It is stated quite prominently underneath the Flying Disc Magazine subforum that it is for "Official announcements and communication from Flying Disc Magazine" and I don't know what's preventing you from discussing their new style, contests, etc.. to your hearts content on this thread or any other thread of your choosing. :confused:


just venting my feelings about poor forum organization :)

The mag was good. the only thing I hate about it is that they get a forum to post on which is closed to everyone else. It would make sense to have a thread like that for announcements, but the way it is now just forces disorganization. i'd love to discuss their new style, contests, etc... but I'm locked out of their thread. so I'll just keep (the rest of) my feedback to myself :D



You could start you own "Feedback about the new Mag" thread under an appropriate topic.


edit: i should have continued to read before posting. What Jeff said! :D

well, the last phrase in the first article could get you banned from this, an internet discussion board, however it's OK to have it in our "Official Magazine of the PDGA"

I'd be hesitant to use this issue as a sponsorship tool for our local tourneys, never had that problem with the last mag, whats up with all the "F" innuendos that obviously bring to mind the other word playfully being used to describe the frisbee........and porn star references.......

bad thing is I chose to opt out since I signed my 9 year old daughter up, it's really her magazine

and yes, I'm just stating my mind here, I'll be contacting Mr. Givens and the PDGA office officially about it

I also found the reference to Ron Jeremy was inappropriate. More importantly, I felt that many of the articles were lightweight to the point of pointless - for example, the article on proper ways to dress warmly. The Guts article had almost no serious content. (I used to play Guts back in the day -- no one plays it down here in the South it seems -- and its great to see some coverage, but it would be *better* to have more substantive coverage.) What was the the "girl who'd rather go to the spa" article meant to do ???

In terms of production-related issues - as as already been pointed out, way too many photos are not captioned. The typeface size is appropriate to the kind of magazine that is put out for promotional purposes by the local health care systems (i.e., it basically says "this content isn't very serious"). Typos and spelling errors everywhere!!!

On the positive side (and there were many positives) - the cover shot was terrific. The story by Elaine King and photos of her were great. The Moraine Park story and photos were absolutely inspirational (in spite of being uncredited). The Marcus Kallstrom story was perfect human interest/disc golf celebrity material.

Arg!! Still haven't gotten mine, and I'm current. I want to read about this infamous Ron Jeremy reference.

I've heard it's much smaller than you'd expect... (the reference) ;)

Nice! Hey, somebody with a sense of humor here! :D

I haven't gotten mine yet either. Can someone provide a phone number or email address to contact them? I think they may have a wrong address for me. Thanks!

Mine just arrived yesterday. If you think your address might be incorrect, I would talk first with the PDGA office.

Why is the font so large and spread out for the articles? If you don't have enough content then just have a thinner publication.
Hopefully with the new rag more focus will be put forth on actual disc golfers (Pro/Am) and our culture. Lets not try and be something we aren't.

Mine just arrived yesterday. If you think your address might be incorrect, I would talk first with the PDGA office.



To make a very long story short, I did and they had the wrong address but said the new mag is coming from this new company. I don't have a name, email or phone number for them. can one of you who does have the mag please provide contact information for me?

THANK YOU!

There is a contact link on their web site:
http://www.4141discgolf.com/
http://www.flyingdiscmagazine.com/

Why is the font so large and spread out for the articles? If you don't have enough content then just have a thinner publication.



<p style="font: 20pt Garamond, Georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;"> Perhaps you accidentally got the large type edition for those over 40 which is almost half of the PDGA membership...</p>(j/k)

Rich said they'll likely come down at least one point or more on the font size next issue. :cool:

Why is the font so large and spread out for the articles? If you don't have enough content then just have a thinner publication.



&lt;p style="font: 20pt Garamond, Georgia, serif;color:#0000ff;"&gt; Perhaps you accidentally got the large type edition for those over 40 which is almost half of the PDGA membership...&lt;/p&gt;(j/k)

Rich said they'll likely come down at least one point or more on the font size next issue. :cool:



This gave me a good laugh... It just made me think of school when a report would have to be a certain number of pages, so you would either write larger or most recently change your font/spacing to make it seem more meaty.

I will try and give the thing another read tonight...

My Dad was college professor. Back in the 70s, he had a student turn in a term paper at the end of the quarter with a blank page between each typed page. He ran into the student the following quarter and asked him why he did that. The student told him straight-faced that a frat brother told him the professors don't have time to grade the papers and just go to the top of the stairway, toss them down the stairs and the farther down the stairs they go, the better the grade awarded...

That post, my friend, just screams, "URBAN LEGEND!" :eek:

Maybe the story the frat boy told his brother, but my Dad showed us the actual paper with the blank pages.

(just before we tossed them all) :)

where in the world is mine????

i've had mine long enough that it's almost time for the 2nd run? Are you sure your head isn't blocking your view of the mailbox? :D

I don't have mine yet either. My buddy on the other side of town got his last Saturday so I got a quick peek and that's it.

There is a contact link on their web site:
http://www.4141discgolf.com/
http://www.flyingdiscmagazine.com/




THANK YOU! I sent them an email in size 14 font. :)

There is a contact link on their web site:
http://www.4141discgolf.com/
http://www.flyingdiscmagazine.com/




THANK YOU! I sent them an email in size 14 font. :)



Now DAT wuz funny. :D

Still waitin in Illinois for THE MAG!

www.aretheregreenpages.com (http://www.aretheregreenpages.com)

I'm not sure how or why, but 10 of our club members sent in our PDGA renewals through the club affiliate program, and instead of the magazines getting sent to the individual's addresses, all the magazines were sent to the guys how that sent in the packet of renewals. :confused:

I'm not sure how or why, but 10 of our club members sent in our PDGA renewals through the club affiliate program, and instead of the magazines getting sent to the individual's addresses, all the magazines were sent to the guys how that sent in the packet of renewals. :confused:



As a bonus to the program, some Club Affiliates will receive a small number of additional copies of Flying Disc Magazine. The idea is that these affiliated clubs will be able to use the additional publications for promotional efforts within their respective communities. If I understand the program correctly, the number of additional magazines (if any) is dependent upon how many club members renew their PDGA membership through the Club Affiliate program.

Folks who opted to receive the publication should simply be patient with the US Postal Service....I'm sure the magazine will be delivered to your registered mailing address soon. :)

I'm not sure how or why, but 10 of our club members sent in our PDGA renewals through the club affiliate program, and instead of the magazines getting sent to the individual's addresses, all the magazines were sent to the guys how that sent in the packet of renewals. :confused:



As a bonus to the program, some Club Affiliates will receive a small number of additional copies of Flying Disc Magazine. The idea is that these affiliated clubs will be able to use the additional publications for promotional efforts within their respective communities. If I understand the program correctly, the number of additional magazines (if any) is dependent upon how many club members renew their PDGA membership through the Club Affiliate program.

Folks who opted to receive the publication should simply be patient with the US Postal Service....I'm sure the magazine will be delivered to your registered mailing address soon. :)



Thanks for the explanation. I think disc golfers are eager to get the magazine. I also would sugguest a better distribution method if the time the magazines at different households are received is over a weeks differance. The bugs should be worked out by the next magazine in a couple months. :)

No MAG in Raleigh yet....Geeez :confused:

doesnt Kernan work for the Post Office?

No MAG in Raleigh yet....Geeez :confused:



mine got here today....

doesnt Kernan work for the Post Office?

:D

I also would sugguest a better distribution method if the time the magazines at different households are received is over a weeks differance. The bugs should be worked out by the next magazine in a couple months. :)



I think some people need to realize this has nothing to do with Flying Disc Magazine and everything to do with the U.S. Postal Service. I used to receive my Disc Golf World News sometimes as much as three weeks after other message board users would report getting them. Nothing has changed with the new magazine, it's simply the way the USPS handles mail that isn't first class or Priority mail.

I think we all get it...

I also would sugguest a better distribution method if the time the magazines at different households are received is over a weeks differance. The bugs should be worked out by the next magazine in a couple months. :)



think some people need to realize this has nothing to do with Flying Disc Magazine and everything to do with the U.S. Postal Service. I used to receive my Disc Golf World News sometimes as much as three weeks after other message board users would report getting them. Nothing has changed with the new magazine, it's simply the way the USPS handles mail that isn't first class or Priority mail.



Jeff, Do you think they should change how they mail out the magazine? Do you know anyone from the new mag? I did get my magazine in the mail today. I'm looking foward to reading the magazine. :)

Jeff, Do you think they should change how they mail out the magazine?



I do agree that they should change how they mail out the magazine - in that they need to send them in some type of protected sleeve. Before Disc Golf World News went to similar measures, I often received my issue in tatters. (as a few others reported with their inaugural issue of Flying Disc Magazine)

But as far as when people receive their magazine, that is entirely a function of the United States Postal Service.

I know RICH very well. I will talk to him about putting the mag in a mailer of some sort. If he hasn't already read this. The magazine is being sent from Sharon, PA I believe as that is where he lives.

Jeff, Do you think they should change how they mail out the magazine?



I do agree that they should change how they mail out the magazine - in that they need to send them in some type of protected sleeve. Before Disc Golf World News went to similar measures, I often received my issue in tatters. (as a few others reported with their inaugural issue of Flying Disc Magazine)

But as far as when people receive their magazine, that is entirely a function of the United States Postal Service.



I think there's a conspiracy going on here. I get dozens of mailers every month and they all come in perfect shape. Yet the DG Mag gets tattered. Makes ya wonder...

Could indicate a great magazine if it's taking longer because the postal workers are reading them and they're getting damaged before passing them along to the carriers... ;)

It would be nice if they would at least respond to my now 2 sent emails!

Could indicate a great magazine if it's taking longer because the postal workers are reading them and they're getting damaged before passing them along to the carriers... ;)



And here I always thought the reason they put the brown wrappers on the girly mags was because that was the preferred read of postal workers... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just got mine today. As my two-year old daughter Audrey would say, "thumb up."

Still no mag for me in Raleigh??? Others in Raleigh have it... :mad::confused:

mine was heavily tattered as well. the mag was good overall, not as good as I had hoped. Maybe my expectations were way high though....

Little things are all that I think need fixing to make it great... like the gorgeous shot of hole 15 @ Moraine. THe basket is positioned PERFECTLY in the crease. Simple photo placement. limited captions, etc....

i do like the very free style of writing, bordering casual. Its somewhat refreshing. I mean we arent reading Time or Weekly Business Report here.

i think next month will be better. I have met Rich and the guy is super awesome and all for the game. He'll take this constructive criticism and roll with it, I'm sure of that.

Still waiting for mine. I guess that I will contact the office.

Still haven't gotten mine as of yesterday but many others haven't either in MN. Pony Express having a tough time getting through all the snow in Wisconsin...

Still haven't gotten mine as of yesterday but many others haven't either in MN. Pony Express having a tough time getting through all the snow in Wisconsin...


Haven't gotten mine either. I guess ponies struggle through superfund sites too..

I'm impressed. Some nice articles, good ideas for stories, I like it. And as one of the course designers for Moraine State Park, that article on Moraine is the ultimate compliment to the 1000's of hours of work that went into designing that course. Heck it was 2 years of just walking the property to find the right areas for holes. Still some work to be done, with better signs, more benches, and maybe a water fountain on the course as well as concrete tees. If you have never played Moraine, next time you are in Western, PA come and check it out.

My biggest complaint about the magazine is that the first person to mention getting theirs was on 1-31. I still haven't seen mine and I doubt very seriously that it is the USPS that is causing the delay. If they were all mailed out at the same time, I could see maybe a few days difference in delivery times, but not almost a month.

they were mailed in 2 seperate mailings if I remember correctly...and probably one more for those that renewed later

I renewed in November and haven't gotten mine yet.

I'm impressed. Some nice articles, good ideas for stories, I like it. And as one of the course designers for Moraine State Park, that article on Moraine is the ultimate compliment to the 1000's of hours of work that went into designing that course. Heck it was 2 years of just walking the property to find the right areas for holes. Still some work to be done, with better signs, more benches, and maybe a water fountain on the course as well as concrete tees. If you have never played Moraine, next time you are in Western, PA come and check it out.




Even though 16 is hoorible it was a good article.

If anyone's trying to locate where the magazines are: My brother got his in Illinois a couple days ago, and I'm still waiting in Wisconsin. Of course, with all this snow, lots of things are slower in Wisconsin this year. Heck, my Sunday paper still hasn't arrived and it's about quarter-to-four.

I share your situation with the newspaper as I haven't gotten my Sunday morning paper yet with the icy roads and all. But the magazine arrived in my mailbox in Campbellsport on 2/1, so its not a Wisconsin thing.

horrible or hard and unorthodox. For some, it is there favorite hole, for others they hate it. Since you were here Scooter, much has been done to improve the hole. A big arm should be able to make it to the pines now. For me, I love the hole, maybe it's because it is still the only hole I have eagled on the course in 200+ rounds. But everytime I play the hole, it's guaranteed to be completely different every round. One of those holes you need to play many times to really appreciate (or not) :)

First time I've logged in - in quite a while. And I am logging right back out.

Haven't officially got the mag yet, but I was at the Mark Ellis Putting Clinic today in Brighton, MI and got a copy from being part of that.

Just read it, quickly, front to back. Details aside - and I agree with some criticisms - I think this mag is going to do us just fine.

Good work, Rich. (I still miss DGW.)

still no mag, in sunny NC. Temperatures in the 70's much be making delivery tough. Guess everyone is calling out sick.

I also don't understand the staging of deliveries with this issue? It's been discussed here for over a month, and still many PAYING members are without them???? (Yes Jeff, we understand the process of the USPS)

It would also be nice to get some feedback from the producer s of the inaugural issue. Lots of questions here, with no responses.

no mag here

My 7 year old(and new PDGA member) wants to know where her mag is at....anyone?

Still waiting for mine too.....

Congrats to Zoe. Zoe doesn't get her magazine since it is apparently rated PG 13. :p

I am sending Rich an email now to see what is going on. I believe his phone number is listed on the website for the mag....

Just got a reply from Rich. Here is what he has to say.

"
As to the boards, can't get involved in them, easily takes too much time and too many people are just looking to debate. I'm in the 11th hour night and day working on issue two - lots of work - and it's where I have to devote my energy. Soon as I make one reply, there's an assumption I'm always there then I can't get anything done.

On the delivery subject, however, know that the USPS received all copies at one time, exactly as they should have, back in January. Why there are some people yet to receive, I can't really say. The post office allows a pretty hefty delivery window (well over 3 weeks) so we are actually within that time still. It is typical, though, that all pieces would make it out in about 7-10 days of one another. We've done what we, as customers can do. Complain loudly to the USPS postmaster and demand an internal check and better future forward handling. For their part, governmental offices seem to answer you if and when they feel like it.

Also, I would be responsible for mailing out from a list supplied by the PDGA in January. Members that were not on THAT list would not be getting their copies from me this time. In an example where someone's address was wrong (and provided to me incorrectly by the PDGA), the PDGA is responsible for getting a new one out.

Be assured I take delivery issues seriously and have been all over my various representatives. Ultimately there are some uncontrollable issues with USPS delivery.

Thanks again for letting me know and for checking in. See you around the links sometime, if I ever escape my desk."

Hope that explains to all of you what is going on.

Just like I have been repeating ad nauseum. This has everything to do with the United States Postal Service, not the magazine. It was exactly the same way with Disc Golf World News - I used to get mine sometimes up to three weeks after everyone else. Why should this magazine be any different, Michael?

It makes me laugh that anyone would be offended by the Ron Jeremy reference....unless you are a nun. Seriously people, that's funny as can be.

Overall I am very impressed with the magazine. I like the way the box scores are done. I like the articles. I think the article with the girl who has never played will be a cool little series to get some views from outside the disc golf community. The type size is perfect, and the content is excellent. Not nearly as many ads as DGWN....though I;m sure that will change. Overall, I think it is a great first issue. I have read through it a few times now.

Good people doing articles..Mike Sullivan, Papa, etc. I think this is a great start.

What kind of articles would all of you like to see??

Got mine today. The Ron Jeremy reference was funny to me. I do think that it was inappropriate if this is to be geared towards families. My daughter is six and won't be reading the magazine any time soon.

black sharpies will allow her eyes to see it. :)

but I do understand it being in bad taste for all ages for sure.

I don't need to censor it just yet. She wouldn't get past pictures.

I hope your six year old doesn't know who Ron Jeremy is.

I was one of those with a wrong address provided BY PDGA to Rich and he blamed them and they blamed him and everyone blamed the post office. And I still don't have my mag. Not really much happy at this point with this new company.

Dear members,

In defense of the PDGA and Flying Disc Magazine, we have in our database the mailing address which is provided to us by each member when they renew or sign up. This is same address that is supplied to Flying Disc Magazine. It is the responsibility of each member to notify the office if you move or otherwise change addresses after you join or renew.

Your attention to this very simple requirement will result in you receiving your magazine and membership package sooner and will also save your association a tremendous amount of time and money, which can better be used to promote the sport. Thanks!

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

It is also the responsibility of the PDGA to correctly input this data into their system. I understand humans make errors but the human who made the error should not blame the human who did not do the error. I'm just sayin....

It is also the responsibility of the PDGA to correctly input this data into their system. I understand humans make errors but the human who made the error should not blame the human who did not do the error. I'm just sayin....



I wonder how many people renewed or joined online? Correct data entry then being the responsibility of the member, no one else. And if the member renewed or joined by sending in a handwritten application, how legible was it? I'm just sayin...

I renewed November 2 I believe got my Mag yesterday with a correct address.

It is also the responsibility of the PDGA to correctly input this data into their system. I understand humans make errors but the human who made the error should not blame the human who did not do the error. I'm just sayin....



I wonder how many people renewed or joined online? Correct data entry then being the responsibility of the member, no one else. And if the member renewed or joined by sending in a handwritten application, how legible was it? I'm just sayin...



Since you took my saying, I'll assume this is directed at me. I wasn't one of them.

Correct data entry did not get my copy to me in a timely manner. I'm just sayin' (I am copyrighting my version of this saying.)

does the data flow automatically from the website into the membership system, or does it get re-keyed? i'm just asking...

thank god free speech is still alive and a fundamental RIGHT in this country - i am actually laughing that it has so many people up in arms on this site, just goes to show some editors still have the stones to print what they want and thumb their noses at the system (or association)

to act like this will have an adverse effect on kid readers is downright laughable - please! some folks just have way too much time on their hands to get this worked up and need to get out from under the much outdated religious rock that has hit them square in the free thinking lobe. to think that kids will be exposed due to this site or any DG Mag is laughable, to the point it hurts my side. Most will find porn in their own houses - oh wait no one who is a PDGA member will have porn right? HA! Cable is loaded with sex, newspaper are loaded with it, Go Daddy ads during the Super Bowl are loaded with it, and almost every ad in Teen magazines are loaded with it not to mention most ads selling anything - point is sex sells and always will. Guess the fat people out there get mad (with is about 70% of this country by now) and freak but the rest of us understand how the real world works and explain that to our kids!

if anyone needs a reference on which Ron Jeremy flicks to check out just drop me a message - remember Ron Jeremy has been penetrating society since 1978.

quick bio

We've all had our share of quirky teachers growing up, but few of us have seen such teachers cross over and star in adult movies. Fewer still are the number of adult performers that have crossed over to pop culture better than Ron Jeremy, a.k.a. Ron Jeremy Hyatt. The New York-native owes some of his success to a girlfriend who submitted one of his pictures to Play..girl magazine for the "Boy Next Door" feature back in 1978. He had secured roles in plays written by Oscar Wilde and Nikolai Gogol, but the lure of acting was too strong to resist. From there, the man they now call the "hedgehog" has become ubiquitous, to the point that AVN (Adult Video News) named him the Top Porn Star of All-Time, no small feat indeed.

Jeremy's appeal is broad, far wider than that of any other adult star. Perhaps it's due to the fact that his frame and persona is that of a regular Joe, blessed beyond belief with the perfect outlook on his industry. And if there was ever a doubt of his tremendous appeal to mainstream media, the number of stars that rush to take pictures with him is impressive: Axl Rose, Robin Williams, Jay Leno, and Samuel L. Jackson are just some examples. And if that were not enough, a look at the long line of would-be interviewers spoke volumes as we caught up with him on his promotional tour for his film: Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy.

Nominated for Best Documentary of the Year by the Chicago Film Critics Association, the film is indeed hilarious and informative. It even avoids the easy way out and offers a good dose of insight into an industry that is subject to both adulation and criticism. He has starred in over 1,700 movies and has directed over 250. He also served as a technical advisor on 9 � Weeks and Boogie Nights.

That's all fine in well concerning the respectable Mr. Jeremy, but I really didn't need to know the relative speed of his ejaculate nor have it associated with were such may be aimed. IMO, it was a sophomoric, boorish attempt at humor that doesn't fit the mixed audience that is our membership. It also doesn�t contribute positively towards making the magazine a tool for exciting parks people and the like about our sport.

It wasn't the lone aspect in the magazine where I feel the same. But as I mentioned earlier, I did feel the new magazine got off to a good start, but that it could be improved by eliminating the boy's high school humor that crept in at times. Thus, I wouldn't characterize raising the concern as 'up in arms'. 'Up in arms' would be cancelling my subscription, and I haven't done that.

i'm sure that humor is appreciated by the bulk of the readers who just happen to be young male adults - it's always the minority that cries about things and becomes the squeaky wheel ruining it for the rest of us

"Ruining it" -- when we comment that we think it isn't appropriate that we learned the speed of his ejaculate in our DISC GOLF mag? "Ruining it" when we point out that the space used for such sophomoric humor could have been used for more substantive information about the thrilling and enjoyable game of Guts? "Ruining it" when we observe that we are looking for a degree of professionalism in the premier source for printed information about our sport? Come on, get real.

i'm sure that humor is appreciated by the bulk of the readers who just happen to be young male adults - it's always the minority that cries about things and becomes the squeaky wheel ruining it for the rest of us



[firmly implant tongue in cheek] Beyond the fact that the bulk of our readers/players aren't young males (you should have at least looked at the breakout of our membership) I'm sure that everyone agrees that we're sorry that some are trying to ruin your humor experience. On behalf of prudes everywhere, we apologize.

That said, who was it who said that profanity is used by those who don't have the intelligence to say it in a more witty or interesting manner? The fact that the writers of this new and better reflection of Disc Sports couldn't think of a funny way to comment without tossing in a porn star is more a comment on their lack of writing acumen than anything else.

Good thing we sent it out for bids, hate to think what we'd of gotten if we'd of just randomly chosen someone to publish our face on the world. BTW - did this version make it to news stands the way it was supposed to?

Yep, we're sittin' here in our polo shirts lookin' professional and readin' our dirty jokes... [remove tongue from cheek]

Pull into the parking lot of your local course and ask the group of guys smoking their pre-round bowl if a Ron Jeremy reference is ruining the 'professional image' of disc golf.

Pull into the parking lot of your local course and ask the group of guys smoking their pre-round bowl if a Ron Jeremy reference is ruining the 'professional image' of disc golf.



Wouldn't that depend on whether they were smoking with Ron or not?

On the other hand, this publication is supposed to be our face on the world, you can't control what Joe Toker does, but you can control what goes in your official publication.

it's all about control.

it's disc gold for crying out loud - right up there with professional horseshoes in most peoples book! LOL

thinking this sport is even remotely close to going mainstream makes me wonder where the delusions are coming from, delusions of grandeur! fact is i bet that less than 1% of all the disc golf magazines only get read by others as to those who subscribe - even subscriptions i bet are under 10,000 for this new rag - so your worried about what i ask?

the rocky horror picture show has more fans and interest than disc golf - at least i am real about it and can face reality!

the absurd censorship on this bored is doing more damage to the professional image of disc golf than a mag article ever could by blowing things up bigger than they really are!

the fact that you want to control what goes in to the official publication is the exact reason our fathers broke away from England - and why Hitler was stopped long ago! Controlling what people read or write is not what this sport should be about - think about that!

Official publication. That sounds so cool. I wouldn't know, however, as I have yet to receive my copy.
Thanks for opting to get the mag. Can't exactly say when you'll get it or what shape it'll be in when you do, but hey, thanks!

You patriot you.

it's disc gold for crying out loud - right up there with professional horseshoes in most peoples book! LOL

thinking this sport is even remotely close to going mainstream makes me wonder where the delusions are coming from, delusions of grandeur! fact is i bet that less than 1% of all the disc golf magazines only get read by others as to those who subscribe - even subscriptions i bet are under 10,000 for this new rag - so your worried about what i ask?

the rocky horror picture show has more fans and interest than disc golf - at least i am real about it and can face reality!

the absurd censorship on this bored is doing more damage to the professional image of disc golf than a mag article ever could by blowing things up bigger than they really are!

the fact that you want to control what goes in to the official publication is the exact reason our fathers broke away from England - and why Hitler was stopped long ago! Controlling what people read or write is not what this sport should be about - think about that!



No one is talking about censorship or controlling what is read or written. We are just giving feedback concerning the magazine. Some people use it for more than their own entertainment (i.e. as a selling or awareness tool), some people have families that share the magazine, some people like to leave it behind at the library or dentist office, and some people would take it into the bathroom with them if it started to include a 'Disc Golf Hottie' centerfold like some biker magazines. The publisher can choose to do what he wants in future issues. In the end the only recourse for someone if they don't like it is to stop paying for it. Given that subscribing to the magazine is now optional for the membership, I would assume the publisher would be interested in the feedback.

Concerning the Rocky Horror Picture Show, I'm a fan of the movie and used to get a kick out of going down to the Oriental Theatre on Farwell in Milwaukee to check it out with all of the crazies (or is that 'all of the other crazies"?). Good times, but I wouldn't take my 8 year old.

Who is talking about censorship? I think you've got it backwards! I (and others) exercised my right of free speech and said that I thought it was a dumb, unnecessary reference. Are you proposing that I shouldn't make such a comment, or object to your assertions? (Sounds to me like you'd rather that I didn't say this, instead of championing my right to say it.)

With regard to the description "professional", you've got it backwards again. I am highly amused that your defense of Ron Jeremy detailed his professional resume rather than the grotesque deformity that has made him famous ... but you object to those of us who believe that the magazine should likewise be a professionally produced showcase for the many sides of disc golf!

Finally - as for any deadbeats hanging around your disc golf course breaking the law, I hope that you're taking appropriate action. Because I don't like that either. I've got kids who play. Yeah, they're in high school now and they've pretty much seen all there is to see (just ask them, they're teenagers, and they'll tell you!), but I've walked in the shoes of the parents who aren't going to bring their kids around the course if there are folks hanging out in the parking lot getting high, getting drunk, or getting it on in the back of their cars. And get this - KIDS are the key, families are the future.

it's disc gold for crying out loud



Yeah Man. It's disc gold for crying out louf. :eek:

Functional illiteracy does more to damage the professional reputation of this sport than any perceived censorship.

Classic.

Official publication. That sounds so cool. I wouldn't know, however, as I have yet to receive my copy.
Thanks for opting to get the mag. Can't exactly say when you'll get it or what shape it'll be in when you do, but hey, thanks!



First, I'm not saying that you aren't correct, but what I am saying is that there is a position and approach to this organization's image that is being pursued. That position plays out both here and in our tournaments. In many ways one could argue that it is repressive. Yet in our "official" publication we drop the Ron bomb. Now, personally, I find that, the event, funny. I don't think it's appropriate, but given the efforts to control image, it's incredibly funny.

I would absolutely agree with what seems to be your notion that attempts to control our image might be a) a waste of time, b) misplaced, c) counterproductive. Nonetheless...

In terms of this issue, I've long had problems with the way this change - the way we decided who was going to publish our magazine - was pursued. Given our size, the options available, and the realities of small publishing, the way we pursued this change seemed likely to have less than a stellar result. Given my feelings about that, one might guess that an opportunity to comment on this would be somewhat... satisfying, for me. Indeed, that is correct. Furthermore, I find the whole thing fairly amusing no matter how you slice it.

One of the tenants of a successful business is common sense. Understanding the environment you exist in and acting in a fashion that is appropriate is important. That is difficult for some people. Instead, they learn a series of rules. That is, in this situation you do X, that is the responsible thing to do.

The way this publication has been pursued, IMO, was rules based more so than common sense based. The problem is that the rules followed are ones that are appropriate for large companies (and may even work in that setting). That, we are not; we are a small private organization with limited funds. It seems to me that we ignored a number of voices that commented on this issue to pursue the "responsible" pathway.

Now, some who are now in leadership positions inherited this situation, and thus, pointing fingers would be non-productive. Even more importantly, this is a relatively minor glitch and hardly one to make a real fuss over. And it is not entirely unlikely that the end result of this move will be an excellent one. But, I'd like to use this situation as an opportunity to engender thought as to how we carry out future decisions like the one that put us on this pathway.

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Pull into the parking lot of your local course and ask the group of guys smoking their pre-round bowl if a Ron Jeremy reference is ruining the 'professional image' of disc golf.



Maybe in a post-bowl haze, you've 'forgotten' that nobody cares what they think.

i before e except after c.

I think that the PDGA should make a color 'mini-mag', say maybe 8 or 10 pages that gives a rundown of the sport and some of the more general information. It could include some pictures of players ranging from juniors to legends and maybe have a few inspirational little stories from families that play together. This would be a better way to introduce a potential sponsor or park manager to the sport. Peoples attention span towards a sport like disc golf is limited and thinking that a magazine will lure potential sponsors and new players is a little unrealistic.

Does anyone remember the two word review that Spinal Tap received for their album "Shark Sandwich"?

The Mag????

Still haven't seen it!!!

i before e except after c.



My cover has been blown :(

Does anyone remember the two word review that Spinal Tap received for their album "Shark Sandwich"?


[censored] [censored]?

Does anyone remember the two word review that Spinal Tap received for their album "Shark Sandwich"?


[censored] [censored]?



"Well that's just nitpicking, isn't it?"

I think that the PDGA should make a color 'mini-mag', say maybe 8 or 10 pages that gives a rundown of the sport and some of the more general information. It could include some pictures of players ranging from juniors to legends and maybe have a few inspirational little stories from families that play together. This would be a better way to introduce a potential sponsor or park manager to the sport. Peoples attention span towards a sport like disc golf is limited and thinking that a magazine will lure potential sponsors and new players is a little unrealistic.



There is such a publication. Click here (http://pdgatour.com/2006.pdga.program.pdf) to view the 2006 edition.

The 2008 PDGA Tour booklet is excellent this year. They have added more pages and much more informative content than in previous years and it is the PERFECT item to show prospective sponsors. I was checking one out at the Fairmont Ice Bowl last weekend in West Virginia. I'm not quite sure where you can purchase these booklets as I could not find one in the Pro Shop on pdga.com. Anyone know where to buy these PDGA tour books?

So apparently, Texas gets their issues 1-31 and still no mag in GA. I did get to read a friend's copy. I can't wait to see the improvements in August with the second mag.

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I thought it was dunny. I fon't even know Mike August. Hey cool you know how to use the scripts.

So apparently, Texas gets their issues 1-31 and still no mag in GA. I did get to read a friend's copy. I can't wait to see the improvements in August with the second mag.



No mag for me in Cal. yet.
I want to read the article that got all the big panties in a twist!

Funny how the Ron Jeremy reference got everyone upset, but the full facial reference was completely overlooked. Either way, both references were inappropriate. Hopefully, we have no English majors reading the mag. I love how sentences are stretched to paragraphs due to hyphens, parenthesis, and commas. I think a proof reader needs to be hired. Let me give you an example, if I may. The magazine (which has been relinquished from it's previous editor to a new editor) has many sentences (henceforth referred to as "phrases") that are stretched out- sometimes way beyond their initial intent or purpose- for one reason or another (that which is not truly apparent to this reader) to possibly, albeit intently, expand the content of the magazine in question. It's not totally wrong, but reminds me of writing projects in school that had a page number requirement and I was trying to stretch things out. Also, what is squib a jib or whatever the reference that was supposed to describe laying up with a soft putter? Never heard that one before and I've played golf with people from all over. Maybe I'll submit an article where I describe throwing into the shule as " flipping a regurgihyzer into the DNZ." But then recovering with a Shirley Temple (sweet shot) into the chicken wire (chains). BTW, this is all in fun, but seriously, some proofreading would help.

it was also a graphic the size of a silver dollar. just look for the ugliest face in the mag. that'll be the one.

my humor is often missed by folks - i'm used to it
it's all fun and games, not malicious intent

some people just have too much time on their hands and could use a good Ron J movie to help stifle those urges to report to moderator! :D

I find the Ron Jeremy reference offensive, disturbing, and completely inappropriate.



I'm more concerned with how the Jeremy factoid was arrived at. Who exactly conducted that research?

Still waiting for my issue here in Colorado. I renewed through our club affiliate program on Jan. 1, received an email receipt from the PDGA on Jan 18th, and a "Thank you for renewing" email from them on Jan 28th. I also double checked and the PDGA does have my correct address. I feel like Charlie Brown waiting at the mailbox for a valentine... :confused:

nanook

That sucks nanook. I got mine several weeks ago. I'll throw mine in the car so I can give it to you if I see you this week. I'll be at Expo after school tomorrow for a couple of speed rounds starting at 4:30.

-MADMAX

Still haven't received mine either.

Still haven't received mine either.



And of course, posting on the message board is a surefire way to guarantee the USPS will get it delivered to you ASAP. http://www.bearclaws.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Still haven't received mine either.



And of course, posting on the message board is a surefire way to guarantee the USPS will get it delivered to you ASAP. http://www.bearclaws.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif


I just don't buy the idea the USPS is the only variable in the equation. It may be the reason in SOME cases, but I think suggesting they are the ONLY reason in every case is a bit unrealistic.

Perhaps the front covers got torn off. No front cover, no mailing label, no delivery.

NO

And of course, posting on the message board is a surefire way to guarantee the USPS will get it delivered to you ASAP.



Brilliant!

I just don't buy the idea the USPS is the only variable in the equation. It may be the reason in SOME cases, but I think suggesting they are the ONLY reason in every case is a bit unrealistic.



I dont know...Jeff is pretty dialed in. I think he may have something here with this USPS thingy...Howz it go again Jeff?

Oooh and still no mag in Raleigh....at this rate, issue two will be out before I get my first issue.

I just don't buy the idea the USPS is the only variable in the equation. It may be the reason in SOME cases, but I think suggesting they are the ONLY reason in every case is a bit unrealistic.



I dont know...Jeff is pretty dialed in. I think he may have something here with this USPS thingy...Howz it go again Jeff?

Oooh and still no mag in Raleigh....at this rate, issue two will be out before I get my first issue.


I'll 2nd that, still no mag in Chapel Hill either. I sent an email directly to Flying Disc but they have not responded as of right now. We'll see......

I sent an email directly to Flying Disc but they have not responded as of right now.



I emailed FDM and got a very timely response (same day). I'd say 24 hours is a reasonable expectation.

Still haven't received mine either.



And of course, posting on the message board is a surefire way to guarantee the USPS will get it delivered to you ASAP. http://www.bearclaws.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif



Jeff
Please explain this: In late '06 I sent in one check to pay for 2 years for my friend and 5 years for me. He got his 2008 membership package in December and his magazine 3 + weeks ago. I'm still waiting for both and it is almost March. Addie said she would take care of my missed membership. However if the late mag is all USPS then why would my friend have his and I not have mine.
And to your assertion that posting a missing part of membership here having no effect on how quickly the problem may be resolved, that may not be the point. The point may be in letting members know that they are not having the problem in isolation. If it were not for this messy board I might think that I was accidentally deleted from the data base after 23 years of continuous membership instead of being one of a large number who are still waiting and wondering.

Sounds like you have an issue with your PDGA membership, which once again, has nothing to do with Flying Disc Magazine.

Have you contacted Addie Isbell, PDGA Memberships Manager, yet about this? :confused:

Sounds like you have an issue with your PDGA membership, which once again, has nothing to do with Flying Disc Magazine.

Have you contacted Addie Isbell, PDGA Memberships Manager, yet about your issue?



I did and she told me to contact FDM. FDM said to be patient. You'll wind up back here and make full circle.... just like I did. Still waiting for mine in So Cali too, btw.

I can mail mine out if you want........

I can mail mine out if you want........



LMFAO :D:D:D

Without a mag...

Still haven't received mine either.



And of course, posting on the message board is a surefire way to guarantee the USPS will get it delivered to you ASAP. http://www.bearclaws.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif



I'm not posting on here seeking a solution. I'm posting to inform others they're not alone with their frustrations..

You know what happens when you [censored]ume, dontcha Jeff? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sounds like you have an issue with your PDGA membership, which once again, has nothing to do with Flying Disc Magazine.

Have you contacted Addie Isbell, PDGA Memberships Manager, yet about this? :confused:



I guess you reacted before you actually read my post, Did you miss the sentence "Addie said she would take care of my missed membership."
So yes I did!
Maybe I should have put her full name and title so you would not think I might be talking about another Addie. Matter of fact she (Addie Isbell, PDGA Memberships Manager) told me my package was among the first sent out in December, and she (Addie Isbell, PDGA Memberships Manager) would see that it was replaced.

I guess I am anxious to see this first issue of this start-up publisher. It is a shame that he did not realize that the reason for DGWN to be shipped in plastic was to protect the cover and mailing sticker. But hey, when reinventing the wheel .....
I'm looking forward to the Ron Jeremy and hopefully a future Linda Lovelace credit in a K-9 article to balance the porno references.
This is 100% funded by the PDGA members and ad revenue right?

But then again, maybe I should wait until I finally see an issue to see if the basics of crediting and captioning photos and other proofing is as lacking as described. I know it is a learning curve, and reinventing that wheel is much more fun if you don't take cues from your predecessor.

Your consistent conviction that everything is not the fault of Flying Disc Magazine is well, consistent since the first day anyone questioned the selection of this publisher.

For those who want a DG magazine delivered by first class mail, consider Disc Golf Live video magazine. Every issue has over an hour of DG action from across the spectrum of our favorite game. No porn references (yet), but plenty of great disc golf.

Episode 22 is in the final stages of production and should go out to our broadcast partners and home viewers later today.

Joe

Quote:
I can mail mine out if you want........



LMFAO

Without a mag...



Not thats funny!

still no mag in Raleigh. All kiddin' aside I hope I get the mag soon. As a paying member, this to me is unacceptable. The right thing for FDM to do is resend those out to members that have not yet gotten the inaugural issue. Good PR to paying customers. Simple business actually.

HQ has deadlines for when every issue of the mag is supposed to have been received. At that point in time they should build a spreadsheet of members w missing mags and coordinate with FDM to redeliver them.

BDH

BDH



Brian, when is that deadline?

I sent an email directly to Flying Disc but they have not responded as of right now.



I emailed FDM and got a very timely response (same day). I'd say 24 hours is a reasonable expectation.


Been right at a week now.......would you say that's reasonable?

Brian
Thanks and say hey to Lorrie for me.

Is this where we come to whine about not receiving our magazine? If so, I didn't get mine. Let me guess, they publicized the pDGA financials in it and didn't want me to know where my money was wasted, er spent...spent. yeah that's it. :0)

Brian, tell Lorrie that the "Sheriff" says hi. We miss ya'll down here.

Chad: Emails will typically be answered much quicker, in this case I just received it tonight. You've got an email from me. The gist, though, is that your name is NOT on the list the PDGA provided us for mailing issue one. Can't say why that is, could be when you renewed or could be an error down the line. You didn't receive a magazine from us because you were not on the mail list we were given to fulfill. I'm sorry for any inconvenience, and I copied my email to you to Addie at HQ for assistance.

Mdub: same for you, Michael. Your name does not appear on the member list we were provided and that's why you didn't get a copy from us. I suggest contacting Addie at HQ and inquiring.

CRUISER: if it's in your name, Marc, you ALSO were not on the list provided by the PDGA. Contact Addie.

Fossil and Winnetka: you should have received a magazine. We now consider them lost by the USPS and have shipped replacements.

Back to wrapping up issue 2! Not on here very often, so please continue to email if you need anything. See many of you at the Memorial! Oh and keep an ear out for a MAJOR contest we're rolling out this Spring.
-Rich






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How much is the mag if you are not a member or if you are a member who did not sign up for the mag when you renewed?

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Chad: Emails will typically be answered much quicker, in this case I just received it tonight. You've got an email from me. The gist, though, is that your name is NOT on the list the PDGA provided us for mailing issue one. Can't say why that is, could be when you renewed or could be an error down the line. You didn't receive a magazine from us because you were not on the mail list we were given to fulfill. I'm sorry for any inconvenience, and I copied my email to you to Addie at HQ for assistance.

Thanks Rich, a slow reply is better than no reply. I'm already ahead of you and emailed Addie as well a couple days ago. Unfortunately I'm still waiting to hear from her...... Hopefully hear something soon as I'm sure she's been bombarded with emails from other members not getting the mag.

I got a PM from Rich telling me my name wasn't on the list of members to get the magazine. Hopefully a few e-mails will get everything straight. Gotta give him credit for looking out.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=802456&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post8 02456

I got a PM from Rich telling me my name wasn't on the list of members to get the magazine. Hopefully a few e-mails will get everything straight. Gotta give him credit for looking out.


I got a very quick email reply from Rich and I wasn't on the list either. Nice of him to check so quickly for me. Hopefully, Addie can help me out now. At least I feel like I'm making progress...

nanook

I am by no means trying to get this thread stirred up again, but are people still waiting? I renewed a bit late, but still have not received my magazine. I think I renewed a month ago? Thanks for all the hard work, I am sure this first run was a bit rough and the kinks will get worked out for the next!

I think they really must have lost some shipments. There are a lot of people still without them including myself. Contact Addie and she's working on replacements.

I have spoke to Addie and Karolyn and they are saying its looking like a record year this year for new memberships and renewals. So lets give them a little slack as they are working harder than ever to get us what we need.

Schick, maybe you should have read Addie's post.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=802456&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post8 02456

I read Addie's post and have emailed her and Karolyn because I have yet to receive my 2008 membership package or FDM from renewing on 1/30/08. Judging from the expectations set (of 4 weeks or a bit more) in the 'thank you' email I received, it seemed there may be a problem.

I just thought I'd post this info to let people know there may very well be an issue with some peoples' membership processing.

My son and I finally received magazines a couple of weeks ago and in good shape, lucky for us! I have by now read this first addition cover to cover. I have also read most of the reviews here. I have to say the magazine was only OK IMO.

It was well put together, but the content was not what I was expecting for a publication that is intended to be the ambassador of our sport to the public. This first issue reminded me of a teen magazine in many ways. Lots of flash and trash. Some of the articles were good. Specifically the NT one. But other were lacking....

The rude crude writing style was offensive and more directed to a click rather than JQ public. there were too many disc golf related slang words. I don't think we can expect everyone to know all the disc golf buzz words. I think we need more professionalism. Common Rich, do something about this soon and do some editing.

PS.. I also want it understood that my review here is purely based on our need to be more professional. I understood everything in the articles, and thought it was a fun and informational publication. It was lacking in editing and grammer in my opinion. Clean it up a bit and we will be on track.....

When is the second issue to be finished and delivered? I'm thinking i'll recieve the second one before the first...

I am by no means trying to get this thread stirred up again, but are people still waiting? I renewed a bit late, but still have not received my magazine. I think I renewed a month ago? Thanks for all the hard work, I am sure this first run was a bit rough and the kinks will get worked out for the next!



After Rich posted on 2/29 I did get the copy he personally sent, and then today got another sent from an Alpharetta, Ga address (North of Atlanta) in a manilla envelope.
As a paid through 2011 member I'm still waiting on the 2008 card/package that was due in December, though Addie said I would be getting it.
I think everyone is doing the best they can.

I finally made the magazine!!!!!! Pg 67, ha! The new mag already diversifying - I love it!

Schick, maybe you should have read Addie's post.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=802456&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post8 02456



Thanks Grease...didn't see that!

I finally made the magazine!!!!!! Pg 67, ha! The new mag already diversifying - I love it!



Hey, Sarah -

When did yours arrive?

No sign of any mag here in A.A.

Don't know if others around here have theirs, I'm losing faith.

Joe

Actually I got mine over a month ago - we're talking about the same issue, right? The one with the icy basket on the front and the fountain in the background, at the Memorial course perhaps?

I renewed my membership in early Dec, I think.

I have no idea what it looks like. Its all rumor and innuendo.

I didn't re-up the traditional way, Joe A hooked me up this year as a present, so that might be the issue. I think he did that late last year some time...

Not too much worry here, though, print media just doesn't do DG justice as far as I'm concerned. I prefer video.

Joe

Actually I got mine over a month ago - we're talking about the same issue, right? The one with the icy basket on the front and the fountain in the background, at the Memorial course perhaps?

I renewed my membership in early Dec, I think.



Wrong mag...the one you are talking about is the final issue of DGWN.

Actually I got mine over a month ago - we're talking about the same issue, right? The one with the icy basket on the front and the fountain in the background, at the Memorial course perhaps?

I renewed my membership in early Dec, I think.



Wrong mag...the one you are talking about is the final issue of DGWN.



The icy Fountain Hills basket IS the first issue of the new magazine. The Farewell DGWN issue is a silhouette of a putter against a sunset and it says "Farewell Issue".

I finally made the magazine!!!!!! Pg 67, ha! The new mag already diversifying - I love it!



Are you an ad for Sun King? There are no pictures on page 67. Or, did you just mean you made the mag in print?

Actually I got mine over a month ago - we're talking about the same issue, right? The one with the icy basket on the front and the fountain in the background, at the Memorial course perhaps?

I renewed my membership in early Dec, I think.



Wrong mag...the one you are talking about is the final issue of DGWN.



The icy Fountain Hills basket IS the first issue of the new magazine. The Farewell DGWN issue is a silhouette of a putter against a sunset and it says "Farewell Issue".



My bad...

Well I got mine today. It came with my membership package.

It's been about four weeks since I renewed and I've received nothing.
rWc3523

Only 4 more weeks to go. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Well I got mine today. It came with my membership package.


i AM STILL WAITING ON MEMBERSHIP PACKAGE :mad:

i AM STILL WAITING ON MEMBERSHIP PACKAGE :mad:



And of course, you've called PDGA Memberships Manager Addie Isbell at (706) 261-NDGC to inquire about the status of your membership package, right?

It's been about four weeks since I renewed and I've received nothing.
rWc3523



i renewed on 1/18 and received everything yesterday. i emailed addie 2 or 3 times and each time it took a week for a response.

Eric, your reship was sent to the fulfillment house on 2/29.

Russ, you were processed on 2/13 with your package scheduled to ship the following week on Friday and should include your magazine. If you fail to see anything within the next two weeks please call and I will start the reship process.

Jeff, THANK YOU! : )

Darrin, I appreciate your understanding during this peak membership season. I do make it a point to answer all emails and yes it does take about a week at this time.


All,

I wish we had a memberships department; however, it is just me and your patience is greatly appreciated. I will see to it that everyone receives what they are entitled to. Please note that you are able to enjoy the benefits of membership through your current status. I understand the eagerness to receive your cards and magazines and we are working on a speedier process for next year.

With emails pouring in, please don't hesitate to call for a quicker response. 706-261-6342

Thank you all in advance!

Now...back to work.

~Addie

Here comes something we don't do enough ........

Thanks for everything, Addie!

My magazine and membership package finally arrived last Saturday, 3/22.
It was in a mailer so I didn't have any problems like others did where the magazine was in bad condition.
I haven't had an opportunity to peruse it yet, but wanted to let people know....

IMHO the PDGA needs to come up with a better saying for that sticker.

"It's in the air!"? Sounds like a reference to some of our ongoing and current rule debates....
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

- JPB

LOL!!! That is funny James. I thought the same thing! I even thought of ways to take the sticker and cut and paste it into something a bit more appropriate. Like " Disc Golf - Air It" or anything better than "it's in the air"..... Oh well better luck next time I guess.

PDGA - To air is human...

...To air is human...



Isn't that one of the songs on the 'A Mighty Wind' movie soundtrack?

Could be. The rest of the phrase might be "To forehand is divine..."

Could be. The rest of the phrase might be "To forehand is divine..."



Nice! all we now is a really big bumper sticker, or some really small print :)

Disc Golf: To air your frisbee is only human, to forehand it is divine....

PDGA - To air is human...



Chuck Kennedy: One of the punniest people in the PDGA universe.

Keep 'em coming, Chuck; some of us crazy, twisted DGers actually like puns too.
I even appreciate your humor most of the time!

- JPB
P.S. Being a predominantly sidearm thrower, I have to say I rather like the rest of the phrase as well.
P.P.S. THANK YOU, ADDIE!!!!

I'm thinking somewhere in the bowels of this D-Board maybe in the Course Design thread several years ago, I may have posted the phrase: "To air is human, to roll is divine." It's a good thing we have a bunch of new members each year and 20% or so non-renews so I can get away with using tweaked lines every few years without being too redundant. :o

I like the newer version because it fits more with the original, giving it a well cooked pun flavor... To "Fore-hand" is much closer to "For-give" than "to roll" will ever be.... :D

I agree. And throwing one really is 'divine' for me since my forehands are laughable when I even try one...

Me Too....

Backhander Fore-ever :D

Hey addie, I still have not received a magazine or my new PDGA card, materials, etc. if it hasn't been shipped, bring it to BG! :DAnd yes, we have a disc for you. There weren't many left. Russ C.

Now that it's April, when will the March issue mail, issue #2? :D

Looking forward to the 2nd issue in August!

I don't even care anymore. It would be quicker for me to drive to Rich's house and pick up a copy. Six weeks and counting since I got the email from Addie. I know this has probably been said before but I'm going to say it anyway...Does it really take 6+ weeks to mail a package from Georgia? I've recieved mail from by great aunt in Italy in less than five days.

Now that it's April, when will the March issue mail, issue #2? :D




Looking forward to the 2nd issue in August!



<font color="red"> AUGUST!!!! </font>



As an opt-in PDGA member you�ll receive 6 full-color issues per year. If you aren�t a member, we offer subscriptions and we�ll have the magazine on the shelves of select national newsstands. Your best strategy, though, is to support the PDGA, sign up for or renew your membership, and receive the magazine as a benefit.



<font color="red"> What are they going to do? Give us 2 magazines the first 8 months, then a magazine every 4 weeks thereafter?</font>

<font color="red"> What are they going to do? Give us 2 magazines the first 8 months, then a magazine every 4 weeks thereafter?</font>



Given the way it's looking right now, FDM might just have to.

I've already submitted my column for the third issue but still haven't received the first...

Hey Chuck, Did you at least tell him that there's no such thing as Open Masters or Open Grandmasters? :p

How would I know to tell them that if I haven't even read an issue yet? :o

Don't they run it by you for checking, like with your map that had course counts from 1997 on it? :D

Not on the editorial team at this point. But maybe several of us will see the correct map with 2007 data in issue #2 before we get #1 with the draft map... :eek:

Good luck with that. :D

I don't even care anymore. It would be quicker for me to drive to Rich's house and pick up a copy. Six weeks and counting since I got the email from Addie. I know this has probably been said before but I'm going to say it anyway...Does it really take 6+ weeks to mail a package from Georgia? I've recieved mail from by great aunt in Italy in less than five days.


My (now) husband and I renewed on 1/1/08 through our club, and everything was sent to PDGA a few days after. We both got confirmation emails on 2/13 thanking us for our renewal... and received our stuff in the mail finally yesterday 4/8.

I have to admit, I'm disappointed in the magazine. The magazine itself is done well, but the content leaves much to be desired. Not a big fan of the overly informal tone, and if I had little kids I darn well wouldn't be letting them read it.

At least you got your stuff. I renewed in the middle of Dec and havent received my renewal info or the first mag.

I just got Issue 2 today. Hopefully Issue 1 will not be far behind... :o

I just got Issue 2 today. Hopefully Issue 1 will not be far behind... :o



LOL. I almost died (by choking) when i read that.
http://getbirdbrains.tripod.com/images/choking.jpg

Issue #2 arrived in my mail box today! :)

Issue #2 arrived in my mail box today! :)



What date did you get #1?

Issue #2 arrived in my mail box today! :)



What date did you get #1?



February 4 :D

PDGA is SSSSSLLLLacking this year ! I've yet to recieve any of my renewal stuff or my 1st issue of the Mag.

PDGA is SSSSSLLLLacking this year ! I've yet to recieve any of my renewal stuff or my 1st issue of the Mag.




Unfortunately, the PDGA cannot control what happens to items once they have been shipped. The USPS rate that we currently use guarantees delivery within 3 weeks but judging by the number of complaints we have logged, I find this guarantee very suspect.

I do sympathize with members who have not received their membership packages or magazines in a timely fasion but our internal process is as efficient as it can be. Memberships are processed every Wednesday and the vast majority of packages are shipped out from the fulfillment house within a few days. Bottom line is that you can blame the PDGA and vent on the message board if that makes you feel better but there are numerous reasons outside of our control why you may not have received your package in a timely fasion. Fortunately, we do have a process whereby members can report problems such as this so we can order a reshipment. Its as simple as calling or emailing the office to report your problem.

I am currently looking at some alternative forms of shipment that guarantee faster delivery but the cost to the association will definitely increase quite substantially. As members, we all need to ask ourselves the following question. At this point in the development of our sport, is it more wise to spend our money on faster shipping or on programs which promote the sport of disc golf?

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

I own my own business and ship things all over the US daily, so I know all about UPS. I have communicated with someone and they are currently "investigating the issue".

Brian

Three weeks is fine with me. But it has been 4 months since I renewed. I called and a second one was shipped out the last week in Feb never received it so now a third is being shipped. Which cost more having 3 shipped to me in Cali or paying a little more to get it right the first time.

I hear ya' Topdog! Never recieved anything - renewed Dec15th 2007! Was told a second renewal was sent in early March...nothing...talked to the folks who handle all of the mailings, and a third is being sent (1st class to my work address just to change it up) we'll see what happens.

Sounds like a lot of disc golfers are USPS workers.

....maybe that's the cause of the delay /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The USPS rate that we currently use guarantees delivery within 3 weeks but judging by the number of complaints we have logged, I find this guarantee very suspect.


you're shipping via media mail?

no wonder