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I know we had a group of 9 guys from Dallas who came down a few days back, any feedback?

And a reminder that the QVCC is closed on Mondays.

This event will be held at the Quail Valley Country Club ball golf course. We will have 54 disc golf holes set up. This area is no longer being used by ball golfers.

All three courses are marked by flags and orange-painted PVC poles as targets. There are no baskets on the courses, yet.

This is a country club golf course, so players will be required to play by the same rules as the ball golfers. ALL players must wear collared, sleeved shirts (no tank tops or sleeveless). Blue jeans (denim) pants or shorts, or unhemmed (cut-off) shorts are not allowed. Also, pull carts are not allowed. You must walk with a bag. Please note the course is not especially difficult to walk and plays at about 6,500 Ft. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

There will be optional breakfast and lunch available on-site in the club house. Menu, pricing, and other details will be emailed to those who register. We encourage you to support the Country Club by having your meal(s) there.

Get some practice in at the Birdshot Quail Valley Classic 1 on January 19!
:cool::cool::cool:

Directions:
Traveling South on U.S. Highway 59:
Exit Bellfort/Murphy Road. (1st exit after Beltway 8). At the second stop light turn left under U.S. 59. Drive South on Murphy Rd (1092) approximately 6 miles to Cartwright Road, turn left. At the second stop light La Quinta Drive turn right. The Clubhouse is 2 blocks down on the right side. To go to the Golf Pro Shop turn right at stop sign onto El Dorado Boulevard.

Did I miss something? Why isnt this event at Tom Bass?

Since the country club is no longer used for BG, will these disc golf courses be permanent? Do you know the story behind the golf course getting closed?

If they would allow permanent disc golf on that land, a par 72, 9-10,000' disc golf course would be SWEEEET... plenty of room on an 18 hole BG course.

I'll be there for the Quail Valley Classic!

Bass doesn't drain when it rains. Plus, QVCC came to Neal and offered use of the entire facility for the event for free. This was a once in a blue moon opportunity that we decided to take advantage of.

We are working with the Club about the permanance of disc golf on the grounds. There are actually 4 BG courses there (3 18's and a 9 I think) and 3 have been shut down due to cost of maintanence versus low player throughput.

Are they going to manicure the course? Just wondering since they are not using it currently.

The courses are kept up, they are not over grown.

There will be pictures on line shortly on the website. Neal and I toured the facility yesterday.

We're going to have an awesome event with a great fly mart. There's a ball room and bar for our party/fly mart. We are basicly having an event at a county club with all the aminities. That's why there's a dress code, etc.

Details to follow soon.

Here is Neal putting on an island hole with a course Marshal.... Discs that don't make the island are his....
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Follow this link to find course directions and other great information:

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Follow this link to find course directions and other great information:

http://www.txsdgc.com/News_View.aspx?Articleid=8


So can we play this course anytime.

Follow this link to find course directions and other great information:

http://www.txsdgc.com/News_View.aspx?Articleid=8


So can we play this course anytime.



Nope, you can play this course, object only, if you wear a polo and decent shorts/pants, and no pull cart - anytime! :D

Any hotel information yet?

I'm staying nearby for the Birdshot event and would consider using the Texas States Host hotel.

No hotel yet, where you staying?

And everyone remember, the country club is closed on Mondays.

Somewhere on hwy 59...

There are a couple of inexpensive choices on 59 @ 90 within a mile or two of the turnoff to the course (Murphy Rd)

I will make a note of the ones I see on my way to work tomorrow just for you, Jake!

I have heard good things about the Extended Stay.

I have heard good things about the Extended Stay.




I'll make arrangements today. Thanks for all youur hard work Michael. Everyone will enjoy this venue.

ORBIT dot com was a very quick search although I know it missed a couple of hotels

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How the heck did Discnation get that picture of me?? Ahh... to be 21 again. :)
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Wow!

Half the entries are from outside of Texas so far!!! :eek:

I'm in. That's one more from outside Texas.

Got you, Jose, and 2 others...209 spots left! :)


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will there be a host hotel ?? would like to stay where other disc golfers stay

well, i played the links course today. all i gotta say is bring backup discs. we played some mixed doubles and our card, 6 people, lost 15+ discs total. water comes into play, usually right in the middle of where you want to land, on 14 of the 18 holes. wind will not be welcome. but this is a ball golf course, so lots of open space.
this course is a great example of how you can make a course challenging without having hardly any trees to deal with. very rarely do you even worry about trees

well, i played the links course today. all i gotta say is bring backup discs. we played some mixed doubles and our card, 6 people, lost 15+ discs total. water comes into play, usually right in the middle of where you want to land, on 14 of the 18 holes. wind will not be welcome. but this is a ball golf course, so lots of open space.
this course is a great example of how you can make a course challenging without having hardly any trees to deal with. very rarely do you even worry about trees



Is it hard but playable or just stupid hard with stupid OB? Risk vs Reward type of course?

Hard but playable. Trust your mechanics, take what's given. And pray for no wind. :)

Seriously, it's a good course. My partner and I lost 5 each. Only 1 wasn't due to really bad mechanics.

Part of the problem today I think was due to lack of distance information.

Would have to agree with Tony. My thoughts would be that if I could only play one of these courses before TX States,

THIS ONE WOULD BE IT.

how does # 5 play on the links course,it looks like you have to land in between 2 bodies of water? How big is the landing strip?

how does # 5 play on the links course,it looks like you have to land in between 2 bodies of water? How big is the landing strip?



You do. 20 feet. But the hole is less than 200' long.

It's actually an easy hole if you've got any kind of RHFH (or LHBH :) ). The backhand savants will be the ones complaining.

Hey, just got off the phone with Neal. After our doubles outing over the weekend, he saw the light...............

He has moved some baskets away from the aqua. I am sure we'll have an updated map shortly.

Also, we are putting together a group of folks to play the Quail Valley Links course on Sunday morning before the Skills event at Community Park.

We will have portable baskets for our use. If interested, send me a PM. Neal Dambra will be joining us and said he would love to have some additional feedback.

So, come join in the fun. More details to follow.

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Got a practice round in on Sunday (beautiful weather) and the course dried out very quickly after the torrential rains. Met a few of the folks that live along the course and they were all exceedingly kind and accepting of disc golf in their back yard. Everytime I meet someone at QV I tell them about the weekend of States so they aren't caught too offguard when there are hundreds of us all over the courses. Oh yeah, and Tracy very nearly took a ducks head off (it ducked when the disc was about two inches from hitting it.)

A little bird told me that the baskets will be installed on The Links course Saturday morning. Per Neal Dambra, the course will Officially open for play with baskets at 1pm Saturday, February 23rd.

Remember, this is a country club, you must check in at club house. The dress code also means collared shirts and no denim jeans. Also closed on Mondays.

Once again, if you get to play any of these courses before States, THE LINKS is the must see course. You will be glad you did!

No jorts and no tank tops! What's next, respect for the sport? :eek: I applaud this step in the right direction.

No jorts and no tank tops! What's next, respect for the sport? :eek: I applaud this step in the right direction.



JORTS ... that is hilarious.

No pull carts, huh? That leaves me out.

No pull carts, huh? That leaves me out.



Yep no pull carts, Club rule for members and non-members.

This doesn't help you for the tourney, but you can rent a golf cart (if available) any other time.

that SUXS!!! sounds like I might be missing states this year. so no carts and no pull carts during states???

Boys, I can't believe a little issue like that would keep you away. These are not stupid long courses where you walk your behind off.

My thoughts...........hire a cute caddie for the weekend, or bring your wife. ;)

course length does not matter it is the artheritis in my lower back that is the issue. :confused: what kind if golf course does not allow pull carts?? the greedy ones i guess that want you to get a cart, :mad:

my thoughts MOVE STATES BACK TO BASS PARK!!!!!

Where you can go..........Bass fish'n

From what I've heard, bags will be getting lighter and lighter as you play more holes. ;)

Sue, that's a good idea, The staff should pursue a pool of paid caddies, available to the old and infirm. ;)

We'll miss you Ware.

And by "miss you" I mean "the person who gets your spot will be appreciated nonetheless."

Cone down and try it out with a cart, and then I bet you find a caddie to come back for STATES.

And by "miss you" I mean "the person who gets your spot will be appreciated nonetheless

yea right I got $5 that says you dont have more this year than last year. makes allot of sense play a course that eats discs but have to carry your bag so you dont want to have to carry extra discs (where a cart comes in handy) but you will be sorry if you dont. :confused: still dont understand why gas carts are allowed on the course but not pull carts..WTF



My partner and I lost 5 each

guess that is why you are signed up for INT in vic to restock :o WAJ

Man, you've got us rolling in the aisles, Seewhere. :)

Now that you are of Master age, I guess you're just going through man-opause. :eek: :p :eek:

The Links course has been adjusted since TBender lost those discs. And that day I only lost four. No, seriously the last two times I played (after the pin adjustments) I lost two and none the last time. Mr. Ed didn't lose any, nor did Jim Hudson. So, it can be done.

At this point, you sound like you just want to make excuses for not coming. I guess a little water is going to scare a landlocked hill country guy named Chris.

We'll miss you, and I'll be sure to drink the free beer that was earmarked for you. :cool:

no excuses just confused why golfers that use pull carts are being punished by playing the tourney on a course that is only GAS CART friendly??

ps who idea was it to move states???

Let's see. If we'd been a Bass, all we'd be hearing about was the rain, water and more water to wade through.

Give us some credit for trying to bring something new and dynamic into the mix.

Yes, Country Club life is a bit different than ours, but I know you can adapt........if you want to.

And just bring a caddie if it is that hard for you to handle a bag, I'm sure you could find someone to tote your stuff.

Bass, all we'd be hearing about was the rain, water and more water to wade through.

I was wondering why it rained at states must have been that we were at bass. :confused: so I guess you guys are promising no rain with change of venue... now that is funny. I am going to see how my back holds up by playing a few rounds prior to states. just hate to drop $100 plus on entry and then might not be able to finish the tournament..


something new and dynamic into the mix.


and by the way this does not always work out best.

No one can use carts during the event, so that is a non-issue. But we're all subject to rules that might not make sense to us. I don't like the idea that I have to be current to play any A-tier event, but I renew if I want to participate.

Stay home and pull your cart round the Rock that weekend if you must. But we'd love you to come and join us for a great weekend of golf. The chance to hold a disc golf event in the environment of a ball golf country club is a dream come true. How many times have we all talked about wanting this type of venue available to us for an event?

Whine all you want, and you will be missed.

No one can use carts during the event, so that is a non-issue

not everyone has back issues either... man you guys crack me up someone says anything that does not go with exactly what you guys think and its whining. I think it is an opinion but you can think what you want.

oh yea you guys might want to publicize the NO PULL CART thing more as I dont see it on the flyer nor onthe quail valley website. can save some people space in the car if they know ahead of time..

I think it was the tone of your comments, Chris.

tone??? the only way to show TONE in email or message board would be WITH CAPITAL LETTERS and I dont see any in my posts.

An educated man doesn't need the all caps key to convey his thoughts and opinions. I thought that was you.



And by "miss you" I mean "the person who gets your spot will be appreciated nonetheless

yea right I got $5 that says you dont have more this year than last year. makes allot of sense play a course that eats discs but have to carry your bag so you dont want to have to carry extra discs (where a cart comes in handy) but you will be sorry if you dont. :confused: still dont understand why gas carts are allowed on the course but not pull carts..WTF



My partner and I lost 5 each

guess that is why you are signed up for INT in vic to restock :o WAJ

The staff should pursue a pool of paid caddies

best idea for states yet.. good thinking James.

quick question can we carry our chairs? because the 3 legged tripod can dig some mean holes in the ground..

sorry for the thread drift now back to Victoria thread

The Cart is for MORE than carrying disc, it helps out with the BACK. I have been in several car accidents ( rear ended 3 times on IH35) if I would have to carry a bag with anymore than 12 disc I could not make it for 4 rounds of discgolf. It being Texas States long and slow rounds a carts is a must for me( not to mention all the RAIN) so if I could not use my cart I might not play. ( unless we can use motorize gold carts)
I'm sure that the TD will make the right call. I vote for carts allowed :) :cool:

P.S. all you youngesters will get old one day or even worse you to could be involved in a car accident. :(
I hope that never happens to you.

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Hey everyone, I'm bringing my 8 year old World Champion all the way from Arizona to play. I'm also bringing my 15 year old crusher with us. I know there are alot of juniors in Texas, so lets get them signed up so my boys don't have to play with the adults. As an incentive, I'll be adding a full size practice basket as well as several discs to the &lt;13 division, as well as several discs to the &lt;16 division. I'm hoping to see a big junior field as this will be our first trip to Texas to play. See y'all in April!

My partner and I lost 5 each

guess that is why you are signed up for INT in vic to restock :o WAJ



Rip me all you want. Please. It makes your opinions look so much better.

If your back is that bad, then maybe you should consider seeing a doctor and getting it fixed.

I have so why dont you tell me how to fix arthiritis???? and once you figure that out Dr. B tell Jerry how to fix his back from car accidents.

I don't think it's the TDs call, El Chile. It's a country club rule. And I don't think you can rent motorized carts during the tournament either, from what I've read. I REALLY do hope this move is a huge success for you guys, but I can't help but be just a little skeptical of the QVCC rules in play, i.e. proper attire (moderate income players) and "no carts" (for old farts).



No Pull Carts is a rule set by QVCC. Every member of the club must either rent a cart or carry their bag. When I've been out there, there are plenty of members doing both.

Same with the dress code. No offense Kent, but even "moderate income players" (who, oddly enough, always have money for beer and cigarettes) can afford to hit up Wal-Mart and buy a couple of appropriate outfits.

No Golf Carts is a rule set by the PDGA. Since we cannot provided carts to all players, we cannot provide carts to any players. Otherwise, some players will have an advantage over others.



This year, we were handed a gift by a local golf club and we jumped on it. Only disc golfers would attack it before they actually see how it works.

This year, we were handed a gift by a local golf club and we jumped on it.

can we hear more about this gift?? what exactly is the local club doing??? thanks



No Pull Carts is a rule set by QVCC.

has anyone asked QVCC why this rule is in place I could see no gas carts as they would tear up the course but pull carts PLEASE


I am done on hear as I can see any type of suggestions just seems to get you labeled. If you want to continue this you know where I will be this weekend.

This year, we were handed a gift by a local golf club and we jumped on it.

can we hear more about this gift?? what exactly is the local club doing??? thanks



local golf club = QVCC

They approached us about using their venue for the event. When everything was considered, positives and negatives, it made more sense to take them up on their offer rather than having it at Bass. QVCC has worked with us every step of the way and, in general, has been more enthusiastic and involved in making this happen than the Bass folks ever have been. Already as a result, we are getting a permanent course on their property.





And apologies for missing that you have arthritis. Got relatives with various types of it.

Tony, have y'all explained the uniqueness of our situation, where we cannot use motorized carts due to PDGA policy. While I completely understand QVCC policy, as it is perfectly rational on a daily basis, that rationale is undermined the fact that we cannot use motorized carts. In short, are they aware that their policy, while sensisble, is a hindrance for that weekend. I got to think they would be reasonable enough to see the issues and exercise flexibility for just one weekend.

All in all, however, my main point is that Chile should drive faster on I-35 if he has been rear-ended three times. :p

rear-ended three times

from what pete has said Jerry likes it in the rear end. :D:D

It is going to be a welcome change to have a country club as our headquarters. Offering a grill, bar, big ballroom for the player's party/fly mart, a locker room w/ showers, and many other things we NEVER see at an event.

I feel for you guys who are limited in what events you get to play. The fact that you must pull a cart keeps you from playing many tight, wooded, hilly finesse type courses. I'm sorry for that, but these are not STUPID long courses and they require skill, not just distance.

You all will be missed.

Tony, have y'all explained the uniqueness of our situation, where we cannot use motorized carts due to PDGA policy. While I completely understand QVCC policy, as it is perfectly rational on a daily basis, that rationale is undermined the fact that we cannot use motorized carts. In short, are they aware that their policy, while sensisble, is a hindrance for that weekend. I got to think they would be reasonable enough to see the issues and exercise flexibility for just one weekend.

All in all, however, my main point is that Chile should drive faster on I-35 if he has been rear-ended three times. :p



I've spent a lot of time on a ball golf course. Maybe I can lend some insight into the logic behind no pull carts.

What the may tell you publically ...
During rainy times, motorized carts are restricted to cart path only to prevent damage to the course. This wouldn't apply to pull carts and they can also cause damamge.

What they are likely thinking behind the scenes ...
Pull carts are looked on negatively at ball golf courses, it is seen as low class. You either carry or use a motorized cart. Plus they can rake in extra cash for a motorized cart versus a pull cart. It is just good business sense for them.

Not saying it is right, just trying to lend a little insight. Personally I think it is a small sacrafice for a chance to have a world class venue setup in the area that isn't in a flood plain or some shared use area, but then again I don't have a bad back.

Plus they can rake in extra cash for a motorized cart versus a pull cart

ding ding. i think we have a winner


Sue how are you guys going to have free beer when it will be illegal to have beer on the premises of a location that SELLS beer?

and just because courses are long does not mean they are stupid. maybe its because you cant throw ove 200ft that makes them STUPID as you say.. :D

local golf club = QVCC

They approached us about using their venue for the event. When everything was considered, positives and negatives, it made more sense to take them up on their offer rather than having it at Bass. QVCC has worked with us every step of the way and, in general, has been more enthusiastic and involved in making this happen than the Bass folks ever have been. Already as a result, we are getting a permanent course on their property.





uhhh....not exactly true TB. Neal approached QVCC and has been the "driver" behind this venue change. The course is right in his backyard. Who wouldn't want to push for a venue like this in their own backyard???

My back is just fine but I noticed how sore I was after playing two rounds at the Birdshot tourney... 4 to 4.5 rounds at States is likely to leave more than just a couple of us old guys gimped up on Monday after it. :D

I think that Neal needs to seek an exemption for the State Championship to use pull-carts for this weekend. The average ball golfer only plays one round...here we are talking about 4 to 4.5 rounds in two days. This venue doesn't come "free" either...with the facilities and cart rentals - QVCC stands to receive a healthy amount of income from Texas States being held there. Since Texas States is the "customer" of QVCC at this point, Texas States should seek an exemption for the "no pull-cart" policy for disc golfers for that weekend. QVCC cannot provide enough carts to be able to provide them to all competitors (which the PDGA mandates) so it seems like they'd be ameniable to granting Texas States this exemption.

Ware - I can guarantee you that if rain storms hammer States this year, QVCC will still be FAR more playable than Bass would be. QVCC drains pretty quickly.

I'm going to try and get my 13 y/o son out there and will do my best to promote the younger divisions at the upcoming Texas tournaments I'm going to, including Victoria, Texas Women's, and Texas Amateur Doubles. We look forward to having all of you here.

Matt

Sue how are you guys going to have free beer when it will be illegal to have beer on the premises of a location that SELLS beer?

<font color="blue"> The beer is donated by a sponsor, and the proper arrangements have been made with the country club </font>

and just because courses are long does not mean they are stupid. maybe its because you cant throw ove 200ft that makes them STUPID as you say.. :D

<font color="blue"> Once again, I thought you had some manners, how wrong I was. Chris, does attacking women get you off? :eek: :p :eek: </font>

Chris, does attacking women get you off?

that my friend is no where near an ATTACK!!! if it was an attack you would know. .... :p


Ching I could not have said it any better my self. hopefully Neil will talk with QVCC since its his back yard and we will be able to use pull carts for this event. next there should be a tournament where pull carts are mandatory and see how the bag carriers like it :confused:

I think I know what Sue is saying, the Wilmont in my opinion has a couple of just stupid long holes (holes where there is no OB, you can play from fairways that are as wide as they are long, and bigger arms can actually just play over all the trees) Those holes in my opinion are just stupid long... no risk/reward, no strategy, just he who flings furthest gets lowest score. One or two holes like that is fine, but bunches are a real turnoff to many of us. Wilmont just isn't that sexy anymore :) But I do still love the Dragon hole out there, wish we could bring it to QVCC. This new venue is really incredible and challenging though, it will beat you up if not careful, but it's a very fair course.

Neal has asked several times about pull carts. Each time, same answer = no. He has his own pull cart, so I'm sure he's covered every angle.


Not Sue, but because the free beer will be provided by another event sponsor, they are allowing it.

From Neal Dambra, 2008 TxSDGC TD, regarding Pull carts:

First of all, I would like to note that Quail Valley Country Club has been extremely accommodating to almost every one of our requests regarding disc golf on their premises. I think this is an exceptional venue for disc golf and we are trying to work with them in a non-intrusive, business like way, that may lead to an ongoing presence of our sport there. I have asked QVCC about pull cart usage three times, offering varying scenarios including special arrangements for that weekend only. The answer is always no. I felt like one of my teenagers who keeps asking me for the same thing over and over again in a different way hoping I would change my mind. Believe me, I have tried...and this whole cart issue, with players, QVCC and the PDGA, has taken up about 15 hours of time which I would have rather have spent doing other things for the event. Their policy has been made clear to me: pull carts are not allowed for ball golfers or disc golfers at any time. If they make an exception for us for any reason they will be put in a position to justify that decision to ball golfers and ball golf tournament organizers who want to use pull carts. While we can easily create and understand sensible justifications, they are not us, and they will be the ones who will have to spend the time and effort explaining it to their Members and clients. While ball golfers have the option of a motorized golf cart, we do not because the PDGA will not allow us to use motorized carts by players or caddies unless everyone has equal access. This is practically not possible due to cost and supply. This is not QVCC�s fault. Why should QVCC change a 37 year tradition and policy while our own organization is unable (for justifiable reasons) to be flexible? I am hoping players will help us out this year and carry their bags (or get a caddy) and once we get more established at the venue, QVCC may someday consider changing their rules for disc golfers. However, I will have one more (FINAL) conversation with QVCC about the issue. I will make an announcement on www.TexasStates.org (http://www.TexasStates.org) if anything changes. For now, plan on carrying at TxSDGC.

Thanks for your upcoming sacrifice (bag carrying), and your continued support and participation at TxSDGC.-- ND

I'm wondering if the reason that QV wants motorized golf carts used is due to their profit margin? That is, they are pushing cart use because it helps them to meet their revenue goals.

Now, before everyone jumps on the "why those losers" band wagon with that question, think logically about it. The cost of a round at QV is incredibly cheap and yet this club has extensive development and maintenance costs. For them to set up a situation where they can cover their costs only makes sense. If we want to play in that venue then it also is logical for them to expect us to play within the structure that allows them to cover their costs.

I'm wondering if the reason that QV wants motorized golf carts used is due to their profit margin? That is, they are pushing cart use because it helps them to meet their revenue goals.

Now, before everyone jumps on the "why those losers" band wagon with that question, think logically about it. The cost of a round at QV is incredibly cheap and yet this club has extensive development and maintenance costs. For them to set up a situation where they can cover their costs only makes sense. If we want to play in that venue then it also is logical for them to expect us to play within the structure that allows them to cover their costs.



I doubt that is the main reason since nobody can purchase they are not making any money.

Thanks Scott!

Ball golf is all about tradition. They are just being traditional and typical with their policy.

Guess that's why we play disc golf! :cool:

I wonder what the PDGA would do if motor carts were offered anyway, slap on the wrist?? You could always just change TD's again... I've heard of sanctioned tournies using carts, you just have to do it and act like you didn't know you couldn't...
after playing that Golf vs. Disc Golf challenge at Circle C Country Club, i don't think i'd ever walk a real golf course much less 2-3 rounds of it... I personally would rather play unsanctioned with golf carts.....
Are bicycles or skateboards allowed :D

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5273/therockca6.jpg

Glad to see that y'all addressed that uh, masculinity problem with your mascot. :D

theres just not enough trees out there.... its really not that long, just seems like it cause its boring :eek: :D

:)

Did I read the players CANNOT wear shorts?

Did I read the players CANNOT wear shorts?



No you didn't. :)


Dress code:
�Proper golf attire must be worn at all time. All players must wear collared shirts at all times. Slacks, shorts or skirts must be hemmed and in good condition. Recommended shorts/skirt length is mid-thigh. Denim, tank tops, swimwear, cutoffs, gym shorts, and the like are not acceptable.�

I'm wondering if the reason that QV wants motorized golf carts used is due to their profit margin? That is, they are pushing cart use because it helps them to meet their revenue goals.

Now, before everyone jumps on the "why those losers" band wagon with that question, think logically about it. The cost of a round at QV is incredibly cheap and yet this club has extensive development and maintenance costs. For them to set up a situation where they can cover their costs only makes sense. If we want to play in that venue then it also is logical for them to expect us to play within the structure that allows them to cover their costs.



I doubt that is the main reason since nobody can purchase they are not making any money.



Now, go back and read Neal's post where they don't want to set a trend with us they have to defend to their ball golf customers...

shorts/skirt length is mid-thigh
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mid thigh? does anybody know where i can shop for shorts from the 80's? :D

I think I see a tear welling up in The Colonel's eye as he watches disc golf growing up right in front of his eyes.

Isn't that special?

If someone's funds are that tight, they shouldn't be playing this A-tier, maybe a one day C-tier. But Mad Dog usually graces us at State Doubles, so he'll already have played the one tournament I always see him at in March.

Having played numerous times out there now, it has been interesting to watch residents and ball golfers reaction to our presence. So far, it's been positive and there has been genuine interest in what we're doing.

God knows we don't want to spoil that impression. So, if you must wear tie dye, do with with a collar.

As for the cart situation, I understand they are working to provide a caddie for hire service with the proceeds going to charity.

Be patient fellas, and know that change is a coming, do you want to be left behind?

News Flash! Thanks to all the interest generated by all this thoughtful board discussion, we have a new sponsor for the tourney! :cool::cool::cool::cool:

OLD MAN VITAMINS!!!

brought to you by the makers of ibuprophen, advil, motrin, aspirin...... :D

ROTFLMAO! :D

Pain relief and ear plug manufacturers could make a killing off from this event!!!

what is the club house rule on coolers? I know I read they have to be a certain color is this true??

"Mad Dog usually graces us at State Doubles, so he'll already have played the one tournament I always see him at in March."

Probably not this year. His partner is in training for the MS150. :D

Yes Ware you need a hot pink cooler to go with your flaming red bag /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D:D

But I thought he wasn't coming. :D

Yes Ware you need a hot pink cooler to go with your flaming red bag /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D:D

I guess perez found the post about pete rear ending him :D;)

yet still no one answers the question :confused:

Where did you read such a thing about the coolers?

on their website . you also might want to find out about what shoes will be allowed on the courses as I dont think they will allow kleats which is information the disc golfers will need to know.

QVCC RULES (http://www.quailvalleycc.com/golf/gfees.asp)

"Restrictions:

This covers family members only. Guests will be charged the appropriate rate.
Carts may not be trailered onto the property.
Members must have a signed agreement of conditions.
The cart color must be white or off-white.
"

Um, that reads carts, not coolers.

Remember, he's an educated man that just wants to stir the pot. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Go back to the Victoria thread, Seewhere. :D

just mentioning it as it seems that their image is a huge concern with their neighbors so I thought Neil might want to bring it up that people will be carrying thier own coolers that wont be white or off white. also might want ot check shoe situation I know allot of players who play in KLEATS. dont need any last minute surprises . just an FYI

yes sue that is it .. just stirring away. when are you going to realize people do have opinions about things and it does not mean stirring the pot. sheesh almight now jump back in that tent you came out of. :p

That's mighty nice of you. Thanks for the sincere concern.

Not sure where you get cooler from cart, but again thanks.

OK guys, let's work together to make Texas States success. This venue will be awesome I am sure after playing all of the courses. For those that don't like some of the rules remember that we all make sacrifices. I started working with Texas States because I wanted to help raise sponsorship levels and so payouts would be incredible. I then started down the path of putting together a new look for the website, which I think with Neal's input is very functional for our purposes. At the last Texas States meeting I realized that I like many others wanted to help but also play. There was a need for more help staffing the weekend of and I knew that I couldn't play and help as much as I'd like. So I've stepped down from competing in the event (although these may be the necessary points I would need to get a World's invite next year, and I have family all over KC.) So just remember that we all make sacrifices at one point or another for the greater good of the communities we care about. QVCC has been really nice and accomodating from day one and QVCC is going to be a huge step up for Texas States in terms of facilities, well-maintained courses, and general fun (how many tournaments do you get to go to where the bar, the Sat. night party, the fly-mart, and tournament central are all in the same building?) Oh and did I forget to mention hot showers. I just don't see how we can complain; this is a world-class venue if we can be open-minded and realize that we may need to sacrifice some things in order to gain much more. That's my .02 and I will go on about my business now.

Matthew

Are there any pictures of this beatufil course?? It sounds like a cool place although I will miss Tom Bass and the USDGC qualifier. :confused: The people want pix!!! :D

Yes, we too are disappointed that the closest qualifier is in Tulsa.

Pictures will be coming. We thought it better to get all our duckies in a row first.

Will there be caddy book s again like last year?? Those were saweet!! ;)

It is NOT official yet, but I believe that something along those lines is being put together for the players.

Yes, we too are disappointed that the closest qualifier is in Tulsa.




Very disappointed. The SNPC in Little Rock is also a qualifier, as are all the big events in the Midwest it seems.

5 Texas A-tiers this year. Zero USDGC qualifiers.

I am playing to play the links course (is that the only one with baskets by then) on Sunday at around 9 or 2. Anything I should know other than I'll need to look sharp and rent a cart so I can play a round in 15 mins ;)

There is a mini out there on Sunday morning,you might want to join them Scott.

If you want to rent a cart, I suggest you arrive early.

I am playing to play the links course (is that the only one with baskets by then) on Sunday at around 9 or 2. Anything I should know other than I'll need to look sharp and rent a cart so I can play a round in 15 mins ;)



Come and play in the Commando Mini out there on Sunday morning at 9:00am! Cost is only $10 inclusive of Ace Pot and green fees.

I gave him your number Larry.

Hey Larry,

How long do you think it will take to play the mini? Just Curious.

Geez Lyle...I haven't got any idea at this point because I haven't played the course yet.

Let's see though...

Sign-ups done at 9:00am.
ETA on tee-off would be about 9:20 average...we tee off at hole #1 consecutively...
Playing time: 2.5 hours (really guessing here...course is expected to be long and challenging so I'm basing it on a Spring Valley kind of time as opposed to a Moffitt one.)
Finish at Noon with payout right away...maybe another 15 minutes max.

Should be done playing by noon-ish though. Noon:15 with payout.

caveat: a lot depends on how many players show up and how many divisions I'm paying out. I use PDGA divisions, but I advertise that I will open up a single-player division for anyone that wants to go that way...I don't turn away anyone that wants to contribute $1 to Texas States! :D If Ed Morgan or Lance Steck show up at the Mini we almost always go head to head in a Grandmaster division! :D

If you are on a time schedule this Saturday, then all I can do is promise you that I will send you out on the first card and will hold any payout for you until you come again.

I try very hard to limit card sizes to 3 or 4 players...

The North Battalion start an hour later and I'm almost always in the van heading home by 1:15-ish.

Some extra BONUS information for South Battalion Commandos:

Neal will have a gift certificate for $1 off anything at the clubhouse. The thought here is that many people may choose to eat a quick lunch there at the clubhouse grill and then play a second round afterward...same course or one of the others (without baskets though.)

REMINDER ABOUT THE DRESS CODE: Neal asked me to remind everyone about the dress code at Quail Valley CC. Collared shirts are required and no cut-off shorts or other ragged-looking clothes. (As a personal favor to me...please don't put me (or Neal) into a position where we'd have to ask someone NOT to play because of pushing the dress code thing...we want you to support Texas States as well as QVCC.)

It is NOT official yet, but I believe that something along those lines is being put together for the players.


Good because those books were sweet and really added to the tourney atmosphere. I am really hoping to make this one!!

Given that the CC has hot showers to use, I was thinking of camping for this event. Where is the best place to camp?

Neal's backyard. :D :cool: :D J/K

I usually sleep in the back of my truck anyway so I really just need a place to park the vehicle ... given that there will a party with alcohol I should just setup shop in the parking lot of the CC .... JK :D

I'm sure there will be some locals who would open up their drive, but I suspect we can find you floor space somewhere.

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Given that the CC has hot showers to use, I was thinking of camping for this event. Where is the best place to camp?



I just did a quick check for campsites and the closest appears to be Almost Heaven (http://www.almostheavenrvresort.com/index.php) in Manvel. This is where folks have camped in the past for Tom Bass as well.

It's about 20 miles (driving distance) from QVCC. About 30 minutes timewise.

Everything else closer looks to be RV only places.

Almost Heaven is a nice place to camp.

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when will all the baskets be in and available to practice?

The permanent baskets were installed on the Links course last weekend. The Commando Mini South Battalion played on them last Sunday at 9:00.

I think the plan is to set up the other two courses sometime the week of States...

I think it is also possible that if the operators of QVCC keep seeing a growing interest and income from the disc golfers, they might be open to letting the Links course stay in after States too!

Anyone planning on playing Texas States this year is really going to want to play the Links course a couple of times before competing on it. It is an entirely different kind of disc golf game than most of us are used to.

:DThe option of renting a cart for $10 for the day is absolutely awesome! :D


THANKS FOR THE PICS Daddy!!!

when will all the baskets be in and available to practice?



All 3 courses are available for practice.

The Links course has baskets in. King Quail and Valley Classic have basket positions marked by PVC pipe and orange flags.

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I know what I'm taking to that course........7 spirits, 7 blazes and my putters. Its a whole bunch of spike hyzers with a lot of OB to make it harder. Real OB though :D

Wow! could that course be more boring?

Having played the course, the word "boring" is one of the last ones I'd use to describe the Links. What it doesn't have in trees, it makes up for in water, fast landing areas, and wind.

"Boring" isn't a word that I would use to describe it...:D

"Trecherous" might be, but not "boring."

(This is one of the reasons why I think folks are going to want to play it at least once prior to States to get the hang of it. Last weekend's Commando Mini saw the top Open score at 52. Doesn't really seem like a "boring" score to me!)

"Boring" isn't a word that I would use to describe it...:D

"Trecherous" might be, but not "boring."

(This is one of the reasons why I think folks are going to want to play it at least once prior to States to get the hang of it. Last weekend's Commando Mini saw the top Open score at 52. Doesn't really seem like a "boring" score to me!)



Sounds tough, but 18 hyzers is boring to me. Looks like a disc eater and I hate those ( mainly because I suck at this game )

"Boring" isn't a word that I would use to describe it...:D

"Trecherous" might be, but not "boring."

(This is one of the reasons why I think folks are going to want to play it at least once prior to States to get the hang of it. Last weekend's Commando Mini saw the top Open score at 52. Doesn't really seem like a "boring" score to me!)



Sounds tough, but 18 hyzers is boring to me. Looks like a disc eater and I hate those ( mainly because I suck at this game )





I agree but I don't like having the OB be the challenge on every hole. Anyway I would expect to shoot like -6 or -7 out there just by looking at the pics.

Just signed up for this thing. Can't wait to play a new course and meet some new people. I've never played a course I would call boring, and judging by the pics, I would say these courses won't fall in that catagory.

Got you Chris.

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Are the golf cart paths OB on the Links Course?

nope, you have enough water to deal with; trust me.Its basically 18 holes of open golf on a nice ball golf course with 15 of the 18 holes having water hazards at various landing zones, cant wait to play it this friday!

Cart paths are inbounds. Trust me, they're not needed for boundaries.

OB is the water, the white stakes along the backs of the homes, and the sidewalk along the street on #18 (and #1 &amp; #10 if you net a negative distance off the box and #9 if you throw a mile to the left).


At today's mini the best score was a 56 (by Neal). The wind was kicking hard. I shot a 60 (with 2 wind aided splashdowns). Travis, who shot a 52 last week, shot a 64 today.


There will be a couple of tweaks to the course, mostly minor DZ related. The important one is #5 will move back to its original position in the middle of the isthmus for the tourney only -- this spot is marked with an X. For everyday play it will remain where it is, because the CC can't get their vehicles around the basket when it's in position.

Right by the big snake, and I mean BIG! :D

Speaking of the white stakes, is there going to be any ob string or lines painted in-between the imaginary ob between the stakes? During the Quail Valley classic there was some controversy over that because some cards where not playing the stakes ob and my card was.

I'm sure that will be addressed in the all important players meeting. :D

I understand that it will be explained in the players meeting, it always is and was during quail valley classic. Just curious if lines or string would be in place to avoid confusion?

I will have to ask Neal, but I understand that only a few specific areas that were issues in January will be marked. It would be too big an undertaking to string the whole thing on all three courses.

I will follow up again with Neal regarding your concern.

THANKS SUEMAC!

From Neal regarding OB white stakes around private property at States:
<font color="blue">
Since the Birdshot event, Jack Camp has added numerous new white stakes on all three courses where needed to create more identifiable visual lines. We will also string the white stakes near greens and predicted high traffic OB areas as necessary.

Other unstrung lines defined only by the white stakes should rarely come into play because of there proximity but for those occurrences of total yankage we will depend on the entire PDGA Rule 803.1 and specifically:�D. (1) When a group cannot reach a majority decision regarding a ruling, <u>the benefit of the doubt shall be given to the thrower</u> . However, any player may seek the ruling of an official, and the official�s ruling shall supersede the group�s ruling. Any player desiring an appeal of the group�s decision shall promptly and clearly express that desire to the group.� </font>

I hope this answers your question.

manufactured OB = :(

manufactured OB = :(



Pretty sure it is just for the OB like in someone's yard. It was Ob anyway but now it is easier to tell.

manufactured OB = :(



Pretty sure it is just for the OB like in someone's yard. It was Ob anyway but now it is easier to tell.



Ahhh

Yeah, nothing manufactured, just keeping y'all from having brunch with the neighbors. :)

Bruch w/ the neighbors? WTF, I thought that was part of the game ... play a few holes ... intentionally throw into someone's backyard and partake in some BBQ and brunch, then finish the hole. Oh well. :D

I looked at the pictures of the links course yesterday ... this is what disc golf should aspire to be. A lot of risk reward types holes. Birdies are there but do you want to take that chance given all the water? These types of things come into play all the time in ball golf ... take 16 (I think it is 16, could be 17) at the masters. Do you go for the green in 2 and try and get an eagle and a for sure birdie with the risk of hitting it into the water, or do you play it smart with 2 easy mid range shots to setup a short approach that if you park will give you a birdie or a for sure par. KUDOS!

Thank you SUEMAC &amp; STAFF!!!!! WOW!

Didnt see anything on the website but on a flyer i saw something about an ALL MEALS DEAL, is that still being offered?

If you get a chance to eat at the country club the food is GREAT. We have been having lunch there after the weekly mini and I haven't had anything that was not GREAT. The courses for this event are just SUPER and will only get better with time. Thanks Neal and crew for all the work.

Didnt see anything on the website but on a flyer i saw something about an ALL MEALS DEAL, is that still being offered?



Yes, Mr. Gator just PM me and I'll make sure they get you signed up if you have already registered. You can pay when you check in.

I will post the food information later today, but I will say that they have a great breakfast buffet, and the lunch buffet and box lunches that are planned will rock. Given the atmosphere, we hope that most folks will take advanatge of on site food.

To be continued.

Texas is so big, in Texas Missouri is just a city. :D

From Neal regarding OB white stakes around private property at States:
<font color="blue">
Since the Birdshot event, Jack Camp has added numerous new white stakes on all three courses where needed to create more identifiable visual lines. We will also string the white stakes near greens and predicted high traffic OB areas as necessary.

Other unstrung lines defined only by the white stakes should rarely come into play because of there proximity but for those occurrences of total yankage we will depend on the entire PDGA Rule 803.1 and specifically:�D. (1) When a group cannot reach a majority decision regarding a ruling, <u>the benefit of the doubt shall be given to the thrower</u> . However, any player may seek the ruling of an official, and the official�s ruling shall supersede the group�s ruling. Any player desiring an appeal of the group�s decision shall promptly and clearly express that desire to the group.� </font>

I hope this answers your question.



Added sidebar from Neal:

<font color="red"> In the case of unstrung White Stakes, a disc is only OB if it is entirely on the YARD SIDE of the White stakes. Any disc perceived to be touching or overlapping the imaginary line between the yard side of any two white stakes is NOT OB. </font>

That is a given. Disc must be totally surrounded by OB to be considered OB.

Hey, just posting what my boss asks me to do.

How dare you follow directions! :D

On a side note ... I am interested in the food deal too.

Don't feed the beast it will only get bigger SueMac :eek: :D

<font color="red"> HERE IS THE FOOD ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE WEEKEND </font> .

Given our tight schedule, we encourage all players to stick around and enjoy your lunch at the Country Club. This is a great facility, with locker rooms, a bar and such to make the experience even more relaxing.


<font color="red">
Saturday, April 5th Lunch $10 (includes gratuity/taxes)

OPEN GRILL BUFFET </font>
Charbroiled Angus Burgers and Boneless Chicken Breast with all the fixings, accompanied by Ranch Beans, Potato Salad, Brownies, Cookies and Ice Tea.

<font color="red">
Sunday April 6th Lunch $8 (Includes gratuity/taxes)

GOLFER'S BOX LUNCH <font color="red"> </font> <font color="red"> </font> <font color="red"> </font> </font>
Choose from a Premium Ham, Smoked Turkey Breast or Roast Beef Sandwich on wheat bread with American or Swiss Cheese, Potato Salad, Chips, Cookies and a Can of Soda.


<font color="red"> BREAKFAST </font>

Breakfast Buffet available in the El Dorado Grill both Saturday and Sunday for $9 (including gratituity/taxes)

Available starting at 7am, The large, fresh, hot buffet includes many traditional breakfast favorites and Coffee and Tea.

ANYONE INTERESTED IN FOOD, PLEASE PM OR EMAIL ME.

Don't feed the beast it will only get bigger SueMac :eek: :D



Oh dude I think that was a personal attack. How dare you.

My thought, it takes one to know one. ;) :D ;)

Dave, you coming to States this year?

I have my eight year old that weekend, but I'm trying to work something out /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have my eight year old that weekend, but I'm trying to work something out /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Caddy :eek:

That would work for the first 5 holes if the others on my card are deaf :D

What'd you say?

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I have my eight year old that weekend, but I'm trying to work something out /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have my eight year old that week too! He'll be playing!

I have my eight year old that weekend, but I'm trying to work something out /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have my eight year old that week too! He'll be playing!

I'll be caddying for him. I hope he doesn't mind me talking too much??? :eek:

Less than a month to go!! I'm pumped to play my first courses in the Houston Area.

From TD Neal Dambra

3000 Households Invited To The Finals
All the disc golf activity around the neighborhood, and the LINKS baskets going in, has gotten us some attention. So the Quail Valley Home Owners Association put an article about States in their latest newsletter going to over 3000 households. The article invites residents, many within walking distance, to come out Sunday at 2:30 pm to watch the Pros on the last 5 holes of their Final 9. See article on www.TexasStates.org (http://www.TexasStates.org) The public is invited to meet up with the players at King Quail Hole 14. During the final 9 this hole will have a lengthened Tee for MPO only. This will be the only Tee of all tournament holes with a Black tee marker...all other tees are Blue or Red. The player will have to get over a lake about 360 Ft or lay-up 70 Ft to the front of the lake and then go over. Should be interesting! The flow from there brings everyone back to the Country Club where QVCC will be serving on the patio. If there is substantial public attendance we may do a brief ceremonial trophy presentation immediately upon the last group finishing for the Women�s and Men�s Open Pro champions. A regular Awards ceremony will follow as soon as possible including re-presentation to the MPO and FPO champs.

ThnxND

From Neal:

You Want Measurements, We Got Measurements!
Monday, March 10, 2008

Wow! Eric Jubin went nuts with the laser and did a truly professional job on our measurements. With water in play on 26 of the 54 holes (15 on the LINKS) this is a good reference to have in your bag. You can access the measurements list at www.TexasStates.org (http://www.TexasStates.org) and print for the tournament. Keep both the Blue and Red tee sheets on hand as some of the drop zones are the Red tees.

Remember the old saying, "Discretion is the Better Part of Valor"...in other words, there's nothing wrong with laying up if you're not sure, and this guide will really help you make those decisions.

You Want Measurements, We Got Measurements!
__________________________________________________ ___
Where exactly are they listed??
Measurements on the maps or are they listed individually??

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You Want Measurements, We Got Measurements!
__________________________________________________ ___
Where exactly are they listed??
Measurements on the maps or are they listed individually??



Currently they are on a separate sheet, but it appears Matt hasn't uploaded it yet to the site.

EDIT: I know why, there were a couple of late changes to holes that ERic didn't know about on Sunday when he measured. Gotta fix those and then Matt can upload the sheets.

The corrections have been made and I just sent Matt the new file to upload. Should be posted soon. Almost all those numbers should be final now. There were three changes to Drop Zones that I need to get out and re-zap with the laser, so there will be a revision coming next week. The current file should get you going.

ERic

Dank u heel veel. Deze nummers zullen mij helpen om vast te stellen hoe ver mijn schijven voor het zinken vliegen.
O.K. - this will make it easy...
Gracias mucho. Estos n�meros me ayudar�n determino cu�n lejos mis discos vuelan antes de hundir.
Great work, thanks...see y'all there!

Maybe you guys said it earlier or somewhere on the site, but are you guys capping the field at a certain number? I've gotta wait a little bit to get the money to register and for hotels, so i hope not.

We run 3 pools. Each pool is capped at 72 players (216 total).

Currently, A pool is all Pros and B &amp; C are Amatuers.

Approximate % Full
A - ~25%
B - ~40%
C - ~40%

There is room in all three pools, but usually the B and C pools fill early.

Will MPG's be playing from the long boxes all three rounds

Will MPG's be playing from the long boxes all three rounds



Yes, and also in the final 9.

The only divisions playing short/red tees are MG1, MA3, FW2, and FW3.

2008 TX State Disc Golf Championships (http://texasstates.org/)

click on the link for all the latest information.

Get your registrations in!! Only 3 more weeks!

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I'll be out-of-town this weekend, so the players list may not get updated again until Monday. If you signup on Disc Nation this weekend and don't see your name on the list, wait until Tuesday before getting worried.

Neal or anybody else in authority...

I was looking at the schedule for each pool and for pool A it has the final 9 listed as "El Dorado (v14)"
Which holes are this exactly?

Neal or anybody else in authority...

I was looking at the schedule for each pool and for pool A it has the final 9 listed as "El Dorado (v14)"
Which holes are this exactly?



Page 6 of the packet. :)

There will be two changes to the El Dorado 9 from the previous rounds.
King Quail 14 - MPO will play from the black tee (adding 80')
King Quail 18 - All will play to basket up by the clubhouse (adding 135').

El Dorado 9
MPO, FPO, MPM
Valley 14-17, King Quail 14-18



The other sets of 9:

King 9
MPG, MA1, FW1, MG1*
King Quail 1-9
*MG1 will play the red tees

Blue Lakes 9
MM1, MA2
King Quail 10-13, Valley 18-4

Valley 9
FW2, MA3, FW3
Valley 5-13


Of course, all of this comes with the disclaimer: Subject to change depending on number of divisions and participants.

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FYI - We are at 90 players right now.

The B and C pools are 50% full.

Hey Tony, sorry if this has already been answered and please don't be offended, but what is up with the entry fees? Why are they so high for the pro divisions? I think y'all will be losing a lot of folks with that pricing.

If you compare to Z-Boaz only open is higher, $115 vs $100. In fact, FPO is $90 at States versus $100 at Z-Boaz.

All other "age protected" divisions are the same except for the really old guys, where Mace gave a $10 discount.

And we've got the country club and all that comes with it.

If it makes dollars it makes cents!

Hey Tony, sorry if this has already been answered and please don't be offended, but what is up with the entry fees? Why are they so high for the pro divisions? I think y'all will be losing a lot of folks with that pricing.



Good question. While I don't know the reason for why the fees are what they are, they haven't changed in at least 2 years (going back to 2006).

As Sue points out non-MPO fees are lower compared to other A-tiers.

I'll try to get more info. $115 is an odd number.

Well, I wasn't at Z-Boas and didn't realize it was so high also. I am surprised at both tournies. In the past, I understood the pricing since a total purse figure had to be obtained to reach A or supertour status, but now, total money added is all that is required to reach A-tier status so there is no real need to have high entries.

At any rate, I will be there, but I suspect many will look at the fees and decline.

And we've got the country club and all that comes with it.



That's easy for somebody that plays advanced to say, their entry is not out of line from what most other tournaments cost. Advanced is $60 while Open is $115, that's almost twice as much. So it seems like the Pro divisions are the one's having to pay for the "Country Club" aspect. I'm not trying to knock the tourney but I do think the entry for the Open division is a bit steep. That is the only reason why I am thinking about not playing this tourney.

I don't know so I'm asking...

What percentage of Pro entry fees goes to cash payout vs. the percentage of Am entry fees going to prizes?

ERic

While I don't know the reason for why the fees are what they are, they haven't changed in at least 2 years (going back to 2006).





The last 2 years there were spots to the USDGC to entice players to pay those fees. Without that incentive I am having a hard time deciding if the high entry is worth it.

Well, I wasn't at Z-Boas and didn't realize it was so high also. I am surprised at both tournies. In the past, I understood the pricing since a total purse figure had to be obtained to reach A or supertour status, but now, total money added is all that is required to reach A-tier status so there is no real need to have high entries.

At any rate, I will be there, but I suspect many will look at the fees and decline.




Except that if we lowered the Pro fees, I'd imagine we'd get some complaints about lower payouts after the event versus prior years.

I know we didn't look at fees this year, but just rubberstamped keeping them the same. That gets added to the list for review in 2009.

The PDGA did change the fee structure this year...mainly lowering the Max fees for Ams...$100 is the max open pro entry...the $15 must be added fees above the entry

Mitch, I was just reading here (http://http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08TourStandards.pdf) about the new standards. I guess there is no upper restriction to fees that could be charged, but what is the economic reasoning for high fees? A-tier status is dependent on total money added, not total purse (see table). Therefore, there really is no reason for high entries.

To answer that other question. Payout for pro is 100% plus. Payout for amateurs is 110% plus. See table in link also.

Steve, then don't play. You will be welcomed if you show, and missed if you don't, but that choice is yours. We haven't yet found a way to hold guns to players' heads to force them to enter, but we're working on it.

Per PDGA tour documents, MPO is suggested at $100 net. We're at $110 net. Yeah, it's higher. Yeah, we missed that. But it's $10. If that $10 will make or break anyone's decision, I suggest that that person has more pressing needs right now than playing a disc golf tourney. (This is my general stance, so it's not directed at anyone specifically.)

And you forget that every cent of that $110 (along with the added cash) goes back to the players in cash payout, so you really aren't paying for the country club or anything else. (Now the Ams and the wholesale to retail conversion thingy...)




Eric, Pros get paid out at 100%+ of net entry. Ams get paid out at 110%+.

So the links is the only course that has baskets in already? I guess thats the course that OD shot a 10 down on a few weeks ago.

Tony, would you link that document. I don't doubt you, but am surprised that they make such a recommendation (actually, with the PDGA, I am not that surprised) as one of the main points of the tier changes was to allow for more flexible pricing.

Additionally, and I don't mean to be too critical because I highly respect everyone (and their hard work) who is running this show, but it is not really persuasive to point to a PDGA document as justification. There needs to be a more persuasive reason.

Steve, then don't play.



This is exaclty what James was saying might happen.

$100 is the Maximum(not the suggested)...it is in the new tour standards...in a table near the end...they lowered the max in most divisions for A's and below...

Thanks, I see it, as a "strongly urged" maximum, whatever that means.

Tony, oil is going good now and Steve is an oilman, haven't you seen his caddy with the horns on front. I'll work on him. After all, the entry is still cheaper than a barrel of oil. :p

edit Well, actually it isn't cheaper, but will be by tourney time. **** oilmen.

Hey Tony, sorry if this has already been answered and please don't be offended, but what is up with the entry fees? Why are they so high for the pro divisions? I think y'all will be losing a lot of folks with that pricing.



James, after reading your post, I was thinking "...yeah - it does seem like it's higher this year..." so I culled around through all of my old files and records to see what it looked like.

I was wrong. Entry fees this year are the same as last year. Last year, they took a jump of $15 but only in the MPO division. Overall, MPO entry fees have risen from $85 in 2002 to $115 last/this year in the MPO division, but have remained relatively constant in every other division. Advanced was $55 in 2002 and is $60 today. Mostly, that reflects the increase in PDGA fees and our change to sanction the entire as A-tier for all divisions.

-Div.- --2002-- --2003-- --2004-- --2005-- ---2006-- --2007-- --2008--
MPO --$85.00 --$87.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 $ 100.00 $115.00 $115.00
MPM --$85.00 --$87.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$90.00 --$90.00
MPG --$85.00 --$87.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$90.00 --$90.00
FPO --$85.00 --$87.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$90.00 --$90.00
FPM --$85.00 --$87.00 --$89.00 --$89.00 --$90.00 --$90.00
MA1 --$55.00 --$57.00 --$59.00 --$58.00 --$59.00 --$60.00 --$60.00
MA2 --$37.00 --$47.00 --$49.00 --$48.00 --$48.00 --$50.00 --$50.00
MA3 --$37.00 --$39.00 --$38.00 --$38.00 --$40.00 --$40.00



James, I completely agree with you that the price should've been reduced to reflect the drop from being a USDGC qualifier this year. (We sure would like it to see it come back to Texas States though! :D) What "price-point" do you think it ought to be at? I'm thinking we ought to see it at the magic $99 mark! :D

Larry, per the 2006 TD report. MPO paid $115. :)

Larry, per the 2006 TD report. MPO paid $115. :)



Hmmm...that's the one that took me the longest to find too! :D It was pulled from the TD Report worksheet I got from Nez...but don't know if it was the final one or not...sorry if it was inaccurate. I thought that overall, it conveyed that essentially, the entry fees have remained the same (except for PDGA fee increases...) since 2002.

Larry, per the 2006 TD report. MPO paid $115. :)




Sweet, so we have overpaid 3 years in a row.

I would say the $99 thing would be perfect. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hey Tony, sorry if this has already been answered and please don't be offended, but what is up with the entry fees? Why are they so high for the pro divisions? I think y'all will be losing a lot of folks with that pricing.



To actually answer your question James, it just hit me why it's $115 for MPO. The NT suggested fee in 2006 was $110-$125 range IIRC. Don't know why it stayed there in 2007 other than keeping it at the same as 2006.

Like I said earlier, we missed it (the tour standard). We'll review it for 2009. It is too late now to start changing fees for 2008. And as it sits right now, someone is going to get paid because we're ahead of last year in sponsorship cash.

Larry, you're right. Fees have been fairly flat. That is something I think we (those involved in States over the years) have striven for....which is why it got missed.

So it seems like the Pro divisions are the one's having to pay for the "Country Club" aspect. I'm not trying to knock the tourney but I do think the entry for the Open division is a bit steep. That is the only reason why I am thinking about not playing this tourney.



They way I understand it, 100% of an open player's entry fee goes into the cash payout for open players. Higher entry fees = more money up for grabs.

Generally speaking money is made off of Am players, not open players.

higher entry can also mean less players and also that this used to be a NT tour with USDGC spots but now its just an A-tier with no pull carts. over $100 for super tour maybe but not an A-tier..just my 2 Cents. and yes I know bender "then Don't play"

So it seems like the Pro divisions are the one's having to pay for the "Country Club" aspect. I'm not trying to knock the tourney but I do think the entry for the Open division is a bit steep. That is the only reason why I am thinking about not playing this tourney.



They way I understand it, 100% of an open player's entry fee goes into the cash payout for open players. Higher entry fees = more money up for grabs.

Generally speaking money is made off of Am players, not open players.



My comment says nothing about the payout or about TD's making money. I know exactly how the system works and I have absolutly no problems with it. My comment was solely based on the Pro entry fee being almost twice as high as the Am entry. If the fees are high because the event has a "Counrty Club" aspect, then the Pro divisions are the only ones paying, that is all. Please do not twist my words into some sort of Am Vs. Pro's thing becasue it is not. It is my opinion that the entry is a bit high in comparisoin with other divisions but that does not mean I think anybody is getting screwed over, just that there is a big difference. I appreciate the Houston Flying Disc Golf Club for doing all of the hard work to make Texas States what it is. My opinion is that the $115 entry will produce a smaller Open field. However you must remember that opinions are like @ss-wholes and everybody has one :D

We're working on getting a walker sponsor just for you and Chile. :)

A-tier = Supertour. There is no difference.

And don't get me started on the USDGC thing. The state, not just States, got jobbed on that one. :mad:

We're working on getting a walker sponsor just for you and Chile

awesome thanks

collared shirt and your best pair of slacks are part of dress code seewhere, :D

I hear you Steve. I talked with Neal about it last night. And we will review it for 2009.

An interesting thought though:

Number of MPO players and entry fees
31 in 07 and 06. - $115 entry
23 in 05 and 04. - $89 entry
26 in 03. - $87 entry
30 in 02. - $85 entry
39 in 01. - ??? entry

Not sure what it means, other than it doesn't matter what we do, it will always be wrong.

Tony, food for next years discussions. I don't think one can draw any conclusions from that data, or any small set like that. I think the best guidance is simply to ask, "what price structure (for all divisions since relative prices will effect decisions) will draw the biggest crowds?

I think the idea that "well, it's a bigger pot and therefore should draw more people" is naive and held by only a few people, usually short-sighted pros or ams who don't ever have to pay the fees they comment on. My feeling, based on informal polls, is what logic would predict: smaller fees will draw larger crowds. Simple economics.

collared shirt and your best pair of slacks are part of dress code seewhere

uh oh I better get to Ross dress for less. :)

So it seems like the Pro divisions are the one's having to pay for the "Country Club" aspect. I'm not trying to knock the tourney but I do think the entry for the Open division is a bit steep. That is the only reason why I am thinking about not playing this tourney.



They way I understand it, 100% of an open player's entry fee goes into the cash payout for open players. Higher entry fees = more money up for grabs.

Generally speaking money is made off of Am players, not open players.



My comment says nothing about the payout or about TD's making money. I know exactly how the system works and I have absolutly no problems with it. My comment was solely based on the Pro entry fee being almost twice as high as the Am entry. If the fees are high because the event has a "Counrty Club" aspect, then the Pro divisions are the only ones paying, that is all. Please do not twist my words into some sort of Am Vs. Pro's thing becasue it is not. It is my opinion that the entry is a bit high in comparisoin with other divisions but that does not mean I think anybody is getting screwed over, just that there is a big difference. I appreciate the Houston Flying Disc Golf Club for doing all of the hard work to make Texas States what it is. My opinion is that the $115 entry will produce a smaller Open field. However you must remember that opinions are like @ss-wholes and everybody has one :D



"Please do not twist my words into some sort of Am Vs. Pro's thing becasue it is not." Not my intention. Sorry if that's how it came across.

If you say open players are the ones "paying for the "country club" aspect" then that is inaccurate. 100% of what an open player pays goes directly back to open players payout (at least that is my understanding). The amount of the open entry is irrelevant to the fact that it is being held at a "country club". One has nothing to do with the other.

Now you might argue that the amount of the payout could potentially be impacted because there are likely some fees associated with using the venue that wouldn't be there if another venue was used, but you could also argue that more sponsorship dollars and revunue streams are available by having the event at a "country club" venue. Of course I don't play open or run major tourneys so I'm probably full of crap anyway. :D

so I'm probably full of crap anyway

I would have to agree :D;)

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see ya at the ROCK vato

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So it seems like the Pro divisions are the one's having to pay for the "Country Club" aspect. I'm not trying to knock the tourney but I do think the entry for the Open division is a bit steep. That is the only reason why I am thinking about not playing this tourney.



They way I understand it, 100% of an open player's entry fee goes into the cash payout for open players. Higher entry fees = more money up for grabs.

Generally speaking money is made off of Am players, not open players.



My comment says nothing about the payout or about TD's making money. I know exactly how the system works and I have absolutly no problems with it. My comment was solely based on the Pro entry fee being almost twice as high as the Am entry. If the fees are high because the event has a "Counrty Club" aspect, then the Pro divisions are the only ones paying, that is all. Please do not twist my words into some sort of Am Vs. Pro's thing becasue it is not. It is my opinion that the entry is a bit high in comparisoin with other divisions but that does not mean I think anybody is getting screwed over, just that there is a big difference. I appreciate the Houston Flying Disc Golf Club for doing all of the hard work to make Texas States what it is. My opinion is that the $115 entry will produce a smaller Open field. However you must remember that opinions are like @ss-wholes and everybody has one :D



"Please do not twist my words into some sort of Am Vs. Pro's thing becasue it is not." Not my intention. Sorry if that's how it came across.

If you say open players are the ones "paying for the "country club" aspect" then that is inaccurate. 100% of what an open player pays goes directly back to open players payout (at least that is my understanding). The amount of the open entry is irrelevant to the fact that it is being held at a "country club". One has nothing to do with the other.

Now you might argue that the amount of the payout could potentially be impacted because there are likely some fees associated with using the venue that wouldn't be there if another venue was used, but you could also argue that more sponsorship dollars and revunue streams are available by having the event at a "country club" venue. Of course I don't play open or run major tourneys so I'm probably full of crap anyway. :D



Scott please be careful on the thread we dont want this to happen again to you

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here let me answer for bender to chile after he goes and notifies the moderators.. weak


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Then don't play

negative input is NOT help the event.......if you don't have anything good to say keep it to yourselfs

What's weak about it?

Someone obviously can't take a joke and answered in a very unprofessional manner and then threatened me. (Note the irony: He can't play disc golf without a pull cart but can kick my rear without it...unless I misread it and he plans on using the pull cart to do so.)

Chile acted like he's special and can't function without a pull cart (you did too, but obviously you understood the humor) when other players who use pull carts are adjusting.

this whole thread is humorous to me. .. the fees, the no carts and the convience it all is for neil to use courses in his backyard very very humourous.

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If you want to talk, fine. If you want to yell and scream and act like you're acting now, no thanks.

You aren't the only one with issues that "require" a pull cart to play. There are others and yet, they are playing and making the adjustments necessary. I doubt all of them a completely happy about it, but they understand the position. You are the only one who's done everything but show up with a cane, a wheelchair, or a doctor's sworn affidavit.

As Ware correctly quoted me, "Then don't play."


To everyone else: I'm sorry I allowed myself to get baited into this silly nonsense, but as Nero Wolfe once said, "I will not suffer idiots."


(And yes, I know what I did.)

these courses are 1 of a kind and are definitely worth playing- lots of risk vs reward shots,par 3,4,5's etc.. along with country club amenities!! I think whoever misses this event will regret it, I wouldnt let an arguement about a pullcart stop me from attending the event though. Bender, your "then dont play" response is not good especially with so many spots left to fill. If you are trying to promote the event then you need to keep negative remarks such as that to yourself; I deal with people all the time involved in business development, and have never received that type of response. I think you owe Hemme and Chile an apology.

Bender, your "then dont play" response is not good

ding ding we have a winner.. best post all year

and it wasnt even a "threat" :D:D

Not to interrupt the flow of the comical banter, but I was told that the Dry Fit style shirts would suffice at an A tier. Can anyone verify this, and if it is allowed, does the Country Club allow them. Thank you.

Every player has a choice to play or not. Yeah, I sincerely hope they all do and enjoy themselves (or at least 216 of them do), but I know we can't meet everyone's needs, due to the way things are given to us. And I (and the rest of the staff) understand that.

Steve's point is very valid. And I admitted that, at least twice. If I sounded too harsh to him, then yes I apologize. The intent was not to be.

Chile's issue was addressed once here and several times by Neal with QVCC - with the same response each time. I made a joke in reference to a post from Ware. Ware got it, Chile didn't, and got sideways about it. I guess smiley faces don't translate like they used to.