what is this all about? another great radl event. nice.

actually this will not be a RADL event.

It will be run by myself and JJ.

We will play one round at Buckhorn and one round at Kentwood on Saturday and then on Sunday one round at Zebulon and the finish things up at Cedar Hills.

This will be a unique event and the payout will be amazing. Don't want to spoil to many suprises, but am thinking right now that giving away three baskets and adding over 1,000 to the pro purse.

You will NOT want to miss this event.

Date.......that does not conflict with other Great events would be REAL nice.

yeah, the day before my birthday. what were you thinking rob

: ) :

Conflicting with The Open at Maple Hill.........booooooo

Now that's going to be a must play for pro's considering the payout (Maple Hill). Bummer that wasn't thought of in the planning, considering the obvious impact and consistent turnout of Cackalacks to the Massachusetts disc Mecca. Plus a huge payout for pro's!

Sadly when I chose this date, I was unaware of the NT up north.

There are many great events in NC that I had to schedule around as well plus we knew the event needed to be in the summer due to the travel time between rounds.

I trust that once open players see all the money that I will have for this event, they will soon see that it is much smarter money wise and stay for the RDGC.

I hate to have a conflict with such a great event, however, this day and age in disc golf, no matter the weekend you pick, you are always going to be overlapping a great event somewhere.

alrighty....heres one of the surprises and an incentive to play this event.

No and I repeat NO profit will be made for this event. EVERY penny of profit made (and most tournaments with amatuers make between 400 - 700 dollars of it) will be put BACK into the tournament.

This event will be all about the players. Trust me as someone who has been on both ends of tournaments, tournaments like this are rare - the payout will be HUGE with this idea I have.

This will be an event that in 2009 people will be looking at 2008 results and being amazed that they didn't play it last year.

when is it?

last weekend of July

Sounds great Rob. Can't wait to attend.

Date.......that does not conflict with other Great events would be REAL nice.



with the ever-increasing number of events on the schedule it would be highly impractical to schedule around an event 8 states away. it's hard enough to come up with dates that don't conflict locally.

I think July would be a GREAT time for you Mr. Biscoe to make your way south and to bring about 15 VA boys with ya

i'm sure it would be- my record on attending 2 day events (even the ones i have registered for) has been less than stellar the last couple of years however. i do miss coming to raleigh though and it would be easier to make this one than the dogwood- plus you play kentwood- the site of one of my best days of golf ever.

4 rounds and 4 completly different styles of golf.

I seriously can not wait.

Hope I sleep longer because I'm having a really good dream, or somebody just invented brilliance. This will be awsome.Quadtastic :D

Mini Thumber

Boo on the date.

Hope I sleep longer because I'm having a really good dream, or somebody just invented brilliance. This will be awsome.Quadtastic :D

Mini Thumber



Obviously the latter, this is a reality.

Boo on the date.



I certainly understand anyone that heads up to play an NT, but as John Biscoe pointed out, you can't seriously expect any TD to not schedule an event b/c another event is happening 8 states away.

I know of at least 2 golfers who were planning on going to the NT that are now sticking around in Raleigh for this event.

I am certainly not trying to take away from what Steve is doing / has done up North, but I want this event to be very well attended and successfull.

I promise, as stated before, once everyone starts seeing how much money will be in this event, everyone will see that sticking around down south will be a much smarter financial decision.

However, no matter which event you chose to play this weekend, remember to have fun and play your best!

The date my give MTL a chance of bringing home the victory.

doubt it (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=22284&year=2007)

Boo on the Horn.

All else I am down with... except I'll probably be in Massachusetts.

you shot 54 there as an am!!

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournamen...ings=1#Advanced (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4967&year=2007&incl ude_ratings=1#Advanced)

doubt it (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=22284&year=2007)



I understand, I forgot to say that, Ill be attending this event.

Mini and Multiple Thumbers, JJs Mentor

doubt it (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=22284&year=2007)



Good point...

Congrats for making the home page of the PDGA.com, you right behind Peter in the pic...Impressive.

haha yeah I saw that and went whoa, thats kinda crazy!

I'm standing next to the Champ and you can't see him, but you see me clearly.

Def. a first for pictures on the website :D

When can we register?

This tournament is in July.

I will be a few months.

Why wasn't this tourney used in the NC points series?

Thats a Kirk / Mike question.

We had to balance the regions. There were already 5 established events in the triangle region.

Thanks Kirk!!

It is offical....

The Raleigh Disc Golf Championships will be giving away not one, not two, but THREE BASKETS!

When was the last time you amatuers were at a tournament that gave away THREE BASKETS!!

The advanced winner and the intermediate winner winner will receive a basket. Should the advanced women's field have three people or more, they will receive the third basket. If not, then I will give it away elsewhere.

In other news, the flyer is complete and paypal is being setup as we speak. Everything should be ready for pre-registration next week.

Trust me, I've said this many times, you WILL NOT want to miss this event.

We are now accepting hole sponsorships. 25 dollars per hole and there are 72 of them!

We also are accepting course sponsorships at 50 dollars per course. Buckhorn and Zebulon have been taken.

If you would like to sponsor this great event, please contact me.

Sounds like a great event!! Sucks that gas will be $5/gallon by then!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad:

car pool my freinds car pool

Sounds like a great event!! Sucks that gas will be $5/gallon by then!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad:



its a good thing you live in Raleigh then.... :D

Sounds like a great event!! Sucks that gas will be $5/gallon by then!!!! :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad::mad:


why do you think i will be in Raleigh that weekend instead of going to Maple Hill. :D

Myself, JJ and Kirk have all sponsored courses. Kentwood has yet to be claimed.

Since posting this information and sending a big email to lots of people, I quickly have close to 350 dollars committed.

Man this is gonna be huge.

I also have not even let out the big surprise yet.....:D

And going up brother :)

Mini Thumber

Kentwood has been sponsored by the Big Rock, Rocky Geist.

All four courses have been sponsored, however I still have approximately 65 holes left for sponsorship!

Marsha and I are in for a hole at Cedar Thrills and one at Zeb.

Got ya down Mitch - thanks so much!

Rob and I are very excited to put this tournament on for everyone. We hope that all of you will preregister and not miss out on the inaugural Raleigh Disc Golf Championship. Thanks to everyone for sponsorship so far!!!

any idea on the entry fees?

Entry Fees:
All Pro Divisions: 65.00
All Advanced Divisions: 50.00
All Intermediate Divisions: 40.00
Recreational / Jr. Divisions: 35.00


Please add 10 dollars if you are not a current PDGA member.

Registration covers entry, fees, and ace pool.

thanks mtl

Thanks to both JJ and Mtl! Sounds like a very, cool event!!

What is the field limited to? Where do we send registrations? Can I get a flyer to pass out to the Golfers in J'ville?
Thanks in advance.

Robert Leonard and Justin Jernigan present:
THE RALEIGH DISC GOLF CHAMPIONSHIP
4 rounds, 4 courses, 4 styles of golf
A PDGA Sanctioned B-Tier Event

Minimum of 1000 dollars added to the pro purse! All amateurs will receive a player package! ALL PROFITS FROM THIS EVENT WILL BE DONATED BACK INTO THE PAYOUT! THERE WILL BE 3 BASKETS GIVEN AWAY AT THIS EVENT!!

Entry Fees:
All Pro Divisions: 65.00
All Advanced Divisions: 50.00
All Intermediate Divisions: 40.00
Recreational / Jr. Divisions: 35.00
Please add 10 dollars if you are not a current PDGA member.
Registration covers entry, fees, and ace pool.

All PDGA Divisions will be offered however there must be 3 competitors in a division for the division to be opened, except for women and junior divisions.

PRE REGISTRATION IS HIGHLY RECOMMENED AS THE FIELD WILL BE LIMITED TO 90 PLAYERS. THERE WILL BE A 10 DOLLAR CHARGE TO REGISTER ON SITE. PDGA POLICY REGARDING REFUNDS WILL BE ENFORCED.

Pre-Registration Information
Mail a check made payable to Robert Leonard to:
1012 Trollingwood Ln.
Raleigh, NC 27615

Or register online at: www.raleighdiscgolf.com (http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com)

Schedule:
Saturday July 26th
Morning Schedule � Buckhorn
Check in / Late Registration Opens: 7:00
Players Meeting: 8:30
Round 1: 9:00

Afternoon Schedule: Kentwood
Round 2: 2 hours after the round at Buckhorn finishes

Sunday July 27th
Morning Schedule � Zebulon
Round 3: 9:00

Afternoon Schedule: Cedar Hills
Round 4: 2 hours after the round at Zebulon finishes
Awards will be at Cedar Hills after the 4th round completes

ALL PLAYERS MUST CHECK IN BY 8:30 OR YOUR SPOT WILL BE GIVEN AWAY!

TD�s Contact Info
Robert Leonard
919-389-5780 (PLEASE DO NOT CALL AFTER 10)
[email protected]

Justin Jernigan
919-478-4531
[email protected]

Paypal should be up sometime today, I will post that link as soon as it is made available.

The fastest response ever!

Ha!

I actually was posting the flyer before you asked for it! You can tell b/c I was actually replying to MDub.

When I posted it, I saw your question about it and just kinda laughed!

Can I ask why you guys are only allowing 90 players with four courses used?

Golfin' with fivesome is brutal most of the time. With four courses being used, I would of thought the idea of threesomes on two courses would be more appealing to most.

Is it a staff issue? Obviously 90+ would make an amazing pot even BIGGER! Just curious.

Three Rivers: Sunday May 4 @ Kinston. Signup starts: 9:30 First round: 10. $10 Pro, $5 Ams, optional $1 ace pool. A good warmup for the Kings Cup

ACE POOL IS
$150 plus

Can I ask why you guys are only allowing 90 players with four courses used?

Golfin' with fivesome is brutal most of the time. With four courses being used, I would of thought the idea of threesomes on two courses would be more appealing to most.

Is it a staff issue? Obviously 90+ would make an amazing pot even BIGGER! Just curious.



It is a great question Mike.

Yes, it is a staff issue. Currently, everything is being done by myself and JJ. We are on the phone each night discussing stuff and bouncing ideas off each other. I don't see how with just the two of us we could do 180.

I understand why people would want it to be larger and I do. However, starting at 90 leaves room for growth!

Added cash is now over 500 dollars not including donated profits. This brings added cash to roughly 1200.

So would you consider opening the up the field limit to two courses if you had the staff? Is 180 a REAL possibility?

So would you consider opening the up the field limit to two courses if you had the staff? Is 180 a REAL possibility?



I think it is very hard to get 90, much less 180, at a new tournament.

random thought/question (and i dont know exactly how tourney math works so please take that into consideration)... if you were to expand and had 80 more sign up then wouldnt that be ~$3000 extra in the budget that wasnt there before?

could you then find a couple people to pay a couple hundred each for the weekend to run the other course?

I assume theres a reason why this doesnt work and its why more people dont do it but just a thought/question.

So would you consider using two courses if you had the staff?

its a good thought Stack.

However, we currently have 88 spots left (read as JJ and I are the only ones who have pre-registered at this point).

I really feel that keeping this tournament at 90 for the first year is the best option for JJ and I. Now if we see a very large demand and the thing fills very quickly and then people are really excited next year (which I know will happen), I will look into options of expanding it and how I can do that.

The important thing is the 2008 version of this tournament will have 90 very lucky players.

I would advise mailing me a check or paypalling (as soon as it is up) ASAP to assure yourself a spot.

You don't want to miss this.

So would you consider using two courses if you had the staff?



Mike, I know I occasionally have an errant shot, but Ill be real careful with my thumber. So get registered, I haven't hit anybody in the last 2 tournaments...much.

Mini Thumber

Good stuff Rock!! I think the way my game has been lately, I am more likely to hit someone than you.

I asked MTL, because I would offer my help if the field was expanded to 90+. I hate fivesomes!

Stack,

I like the way you are thinking. The only down side that I see to your idea is that the average disc golfer would be thrown into a major tizzy if some of the profit were used to pay someone to work the event.

For a great example take a look at the 2007 Tupelo Bay thread. All entries and added cash went back to the players. Yet, someone refused to understand basic tournament math.

Can y'all imagine what would happen here on the DB if TD's started keeping 15% of the money from a tournament as compensation for their time and efforts? The DB would be shut down from the volume of traffic from the players that believe they didn't receive everything that they feel that they are "entitled" to receive.

Kirk

I dunno brother, the most unsafe place to be at last years Alamance on the long hole at well spring was behind me. Thats where I hit myself, really. On the long hole from the Pro Pad, I put all into it, hit myself in the head, fell, roled, disc landed 80ft to the right and behind even further. It was Hilarious. Was by the trees to the right of the pad. Not much of a Gap, but I found one after I finished laughing.

Mini Thumber

Thats AWESOME!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good stuff! Would of paid to see that....of course I would not of laugh until I knew you were OK...

i hear ya Kirk... just curious if it could work logistically (not thinking/worrying about the complainers) on paper. It seems like there are a few examples where tourneys top out @ 90 bc of lack of staff and I wondered if this would be a viable option.

i def. wouldn't complain if I knew the TD was keeping some of the $ for running a tourney... to me that would mean that he is even more vested in trying to make sure that things go great and I have a good time and want to come back next year. It would be nice to know that up front but would understand if the TD didnt disclose this. It could also be an incentive to raise enough money to offset that $ as well.

I'd like to think that this might be the future of sorts... individuals (promoters) traveling around and running tourneys where they pay the local club a certain %'age of the profit or pay a course use fee but the person can actually make a little bit of money off each tourney... enough to at least drive to the next one ;)

the idea of paying someone aside... do tourneys ever 'spot someone the tourney fee' for helping on that scale? i would think that would/could work as well.

Chris Himing did exactly this Stack. Its a great idea, and I wouldn't have a complaint with it either.

Date.......that does not conflict with other Great events would be REAL nice.



HGT @ TThe CounTTry Course the same weekend. 150+ players and I can drink a beer or two. I would love to play this tourney MTL, more now that I met JJ, but my choice is clear. I hope next year we can schedule large events like these on different weekends.

I am in favor of a TD keeping money, however, I personally will never do it. I am a 100% volunteer.

This is where the idea to put the money we make BACK into the tournament came from.

JJ and I were thinking about running this tournament and I asked what we were going to do with the profits. The past tournaments I have run, the money has either gone to charity or gone to a club.

This is when we decided to put all the money back in the purse.

I am also kind of doing this to show lots people how much money is made and can be made by running a great tournament. The payout is going to be sick and you better believe I will post how much profit is made and where it is going.

I really would like to see more tournaments adopt this format, however, most tournaments are ran by clubs and this is not an option the club is interested in and rightfully so. But as an individual with a great job, I don't need that extra money and will get more out of making the tournament have a larger payout then keeping it for myself.

Also, any extra profits we aren't anticpating (i.e. disc sales the day of, random donations, people putting in three or four extra bux to comver something from thier payout etc) will be put in the pot for next years tournament. So if you lose your star wraith at Buckhorn in the water, buy one from me and call yourself a sponsor of the 2009 Raleigh Disc Golf Championship.

Date.......that does not conflict with other Great events would be REAL nice.



HGT @ TThe CounTTry Course the same weekend. 150+ players and I can drink a beer or two. I would love to play this tourney MTL, more now that I met JJ, but my choice is clear. I hope next year we can schedule large events like these on different weekends.



I understand the conflicts, but it is a good problem to have. 10 years ago people would have never had 3 tournaments to choose from on the same weekend.

Date.......that does not conflict with other Great events would be REAL nice.



HGT @ TThe CounTTry Course the same weekend. 150+ players and I can drink a beer or two. I would love to play this tourney MTL, more now that I met JJ, but my choice is clear. I hope next year we can schedule large events like these on different weekends.



I understand the conflicts, but it is a good problem to have. 10 years ago people would have never had 3 tournaments to choose from on the same weekend.



TTrue Story, but with better planning, we can have both. You'll fill 2 courses next year if doesn't conflict with a HGT event like the CC.

Honestly I can only think of 5 maybe 10 at the most people who normally play homegrowns who would be at this event.

it is virtually impossible to schedule around unsanctioned events. does the hgt have their schedule put together in november of the previous year?

I believe they do or pretty close to it

I understand the conflict issues and there is a really good chance that the HGT event at the CC was scheduled before my event.

However asking a TD to check non-sanctioned events before scheduling a PDGA event would lead to one thing - the PDGA event NEVER being on the schedule.

So would you consider using two courses if you had the staff?



Mike
Yes we would like to eventually use two courses as long as we had the staff. But as MTL previously stated, we are going with 90 players this year. Honestly, I'm not a fan of fivesomes either. However, I do feel that limiting the inaugural RDGC to 90 is the least complicated way to a successful tournament. We have many ideas already for the future, and we appreciate any new ideas anyone may have. Anyone that has a question feel free to call, pm or email me at anytime.

JJ
9194784531
[email protected]

I am planning on being there as long as we are moved into our house by then.

Plank, you can move anytime, this only happens once a year. Get your priorties in order. Let's fill this thing, help the alaphebet, I mean MTL, and JJ make this a premier event. There is no reason we can't match Bowling Green's event. Were better looking, have an awful lot of Amature World Champions. Look to the future, If our best TD's and we in Carolina have some great one's. Can I get an AMEN. Think about it, MTL, Joe,Dave,Knappy,Scottie,just to name a few, along with Mike and Stick the Dot crew, what could we accomplish in the future. MTL's right, this is gonna be great.

I'm all In.

Mini Thumber, Cupcake Thumber,and Heike's 5 Star Childcare :D

want proof the word about this event is out?

I just got a registration from New York today.

and the list is up....

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7386#Open

Let him know that things get a little warm down here in July, and not sure if the Capt is having a pool party, but a pool is a great Idea. Capt?

Mini Thumber

Ha!

I actually was posting the flyer before you asked for it! You can tell b/c I was actually replying to MDub.

When I posted it, I saw your question about it and just kinda laughed!


Yes, But do you have a printable flyer that I can take to our doubles tonight? For some reason Jacksonville disc golfers don't get on the discussion board much (which may be a blessing in disguise /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ). So alot of them rely on me(sucks to be them ;)) for info. If you can email it to me my address is [email protected] . I will print some copies and hand them out to the 20 or 25 golfers that show up every Wednsday.
Thanks in advance.

be glad to.

email on the way.

thanks for your support!

I just want to present to best option for the disc golfers I represent. Thanks for the flyer.

I'm interested in the details of Wiggins comment in your signature. What hole, what course, etc...

My first round of PDGA golf was at Mooky's Cup in 2005. Both Wiggins were in my group the first round. I knew he had potential then, but good grief, he is a phenom. It is one of the few tournaments I ever placed ahead of him, lol.

Yadkinville, Hole 9 far left position - I'd say it was around 540 and downhill.

I didn't see it but he told me about it and let me know he aced it and I couldn't reach it. It was just really funny to me.

But I went back to his house that night and we played basketball on an 8 ft. goal and I dunked on him.

Made me feel better

You dunked on him because he's 4'8", that'll change, and soon LOL

MIni Thumber, through 540ft at Buckhorn Hole 11 :D

i'm sure little wiggins still has more hops than mtl.

Paypal is up!!

http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com/paypal/rdgc08.html

Also, if you feel the need, please sponsor the event!

The option to do so can be sent through paypal at the link above

I am planning on being there as long as we are moved into our house by then.



Plankeye lives, how you been? hope to see you soon.

Registrations came flying in today, and the list is current to represent this.

This event will fill pretty quickly I feel.

Don't delay, register now to guarantee yourself a chance!

and fyi...

entry fees that are mailed are considered by their post mark date.
entires given to me in person are considered the day the are given to me.
paypal entries BEFORE 5 PM are considered that day
paypal entries AFTER 5 PM are considered the next day.

should we have more entires that spots, the day that happens all entries that day will be put in a hat and names will be drawn.

The same process will take place for the wait list.

This is the only truly fair way to handle this situation should it arise.

paypal is in!

Don't forget I want hole 15 at Buckhorn as my sponsored hole.

paypal is in!

Don't forget I want hole 15 at Buckhorn as my sponsored hole.



Just because you sponsor that hole doesn't mean you get to keep the discs that get thrown in the water behind it! ;) :D

paypal is in!

Don't forget I want hole 15 at Buckhorn as my sponsored hole.



Got ya down.

Thanks for your sponsorship!

paypal is in!

Don't forget I want hole 15 at Buckhorn as my sponsored hole.



Just because you sponsor that hole doesn't mean you get to keep the discs that get thrown in the water behind it! ;) :D



What? I thought that was part of the deal!

The Vibram Open at Maple Hill is now a sponsor of this event!

The TD for the event, Steve Dodge, and I have been disussing a way to cross promote our two events since we are on the same weekend.

We agreed the best way is to sponsor each other! I'm sending him merch from my tournament and he is sending merch from his.

This is a great thing I think as neither of us wanted to have our event on the same weekend.

Thanks Steve and whichever event you decide to play that weekend, have fun!

Can I sponsor water? (Ponds, lakes, creeks)

I will not deny any sponsorship!

Feel free to do so!

I'm open for anything!

Water sponorships are now 10 dollars.

We have water on :

Buckhorn 8
Buckhorn 9
Buckhorn 10
Buckhorn 11
Buckhorn 15
Buckhorn 17
Kentwood 3
Zebulon 1
Zebulon 2
Zebulon 18
Cedar Hills 7

If I receive 5 water sponsorships or more, the person who has the most OBs from the tournament golfers in their water will win a RDGC CFR Disc.

Give me Cedar Hills 7. During my first round ever of disc golf, I threw my only disc ( a Raven) into the pond (we were playing from the very front edge also). I then borrowed another Raven from my friend and proceeded to throw his in also. So this will not be the first time I will be throwing money into that water.

haha sounds good.

I got ya down.

Can I get buckhorn Water spot #17

sure!

Got ya down.

3 more water donations and the winner will get a prize!

make that 2 - I will take Buckhorn 11.

You should just offer sponserships to any OB not just water.

That would increase the number of opportunities by a significant amount

KW has OB that could come into play on holes 1,2,3,4,and 9.
CH has OB on holes 7,8,9,11,and 16.
Zeb has OB on holes 1,2,3,6,16,17,and 18
Bucky has OB on holes 8,9,10,11,15, and 17

Of course there are a few more holes that OB can come into play but the probability of that happening is very small.

isn't there water on hole 6 at zeb?- i recall playing with a soon to be world champ who threw a fit about kicking to the other side before winning the event by a good margin. of course, that was a long time ago.

yes there is water on hole 6 at zeb!

totally forgot!!

add it to the list!!

you gonna mention @ the playa's meeting to make sure people mark something special for going OB in the water vs other OBs? plankeye has a point.

if someone sponsors a hole and circles their score to help their cause or not circle others on other peoples holes is that considered marking the scorecard 'wrong' and to be penalized?

i like the idea of these types of sponsorships but can potentially see issues (and yes I agree that it would be sad if someone went to those lengths to try and win a disc... but i've seen people do much worse for much less)

and nice pick scotty! There were @ least 6 thrown in from the card I was on @ the crosstown alone!

If it is available, I'll sponsor Buckhorn #11 water. The water on that hole and I have a love hate relationship. It loves to take my discs and I hate that it does. Only myself to blame. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Oh yes Stack, I remember since I was spotting :)
As far as the OB, if you see it on the card, its a good chance that a hole only has one OB (not always, but a good chance).

you gonna mention @ the playa's meeting to make sure people mark something special for going OB in the water vs other OBs?



yup

If it is available, I'll sponsor Buckhorn #11 water. The water on that hole and I have a love hate relationship. It loves to take my discs and I hate that it does. Only myself to blame. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



If you want to sponsor 11, you can have it. I'll take BH 10 instead.

Oh yes Stack, I remember since I was spotting :)
As far as the OB, if you see it on the card, its a good chance that a hole only has one OB (not always, but a good chance).



Just off the top of my head, only two of those holes with water OB have any other OB...hole 3 at KW would require you to turn around and throw it backwards, and hole 2 at Zeb, well, 1) I've never seen anyone throw it in the road (though I'm sure some enterprising soul has managed) and 2) that hole is much more likely to win a "least # of OB strokes" prize.

Now, it is possible to be dry but OB on holes 1, 2, and 6 (at Zebulon) b/c of the string on all 3 and the creek-and-beyond aspect of 6, but whichever way MTL wants to deal with those is up to him, and fine by me. Besides, Cedar 7 and Buckhorn 10/11/15/17 are the most likely candidates, and 10/11 are less likely w/o insane wind.

That being said, someone's gotta pick the darkhorse, especially on Derby Day, so I'll take 6 at Zeb if it's still up for grabs.

Frank

got ya down!

4 areas of water sponsored.

1 more till a prize will be given out

bump

paypal address

http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com/paypal/rdgc08.html

Not a GREEN Event! :D

Not a GREEN Event! :D



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Thanks for the reminder Jeff.

Only Kentwood doesn't have much greeen, the others have a plenty...Word Up

Mini Thumber, a Pretty good rec player :eek:

LMFAO!

Ok, it's time to let the cat out of the bag. Here is the BIG surprise about this tournament.

This years tournament will feature a layout NEVER played before. The Buckhorn All Star Layout.

JJ and I talked about it and we will not play the longs or the shorts, we will play the best hole each hole. To me, Buckhorn is a great course from both layouts but some holes just are better from a different set of tees.

Please note some of the holes (like 5, 7, 14, and 18) the holes we picked were merely for score seperation reasons. We feel this par 55 layout will minimize some of the holes and shots that players (and we) don't like and give us an opportunity to play a great course for the openning round. Also this shorter layout will speed play up some what. After lots of debating, this is the layout we agreed on.


Long 1
Long 2
3 (one tee)
Long 4
Short 5
Short 6
Long 7
8 (one tee)
Short 9
Long 10
Long 11
12 (one tee)
Long 13
Long 14
15 (one tee)
Short 16
Short 17
Short 18

We understand that some holes (like 6 and 18) are great holes from the longs, but we feel this is the best layout for this tournament.

Everything will be marked clearly and we are super excited to play the new Buckhorn All Star Layout!!

Please note intermediate, recreational, adv. masters, adv. women, intemediate women and junior divisions will play all short tees.

Need to play with the big dogs to play this sweet layout!

6 areas of water have been sponsored, so the winner will get a CFR disc!

This is gonna be great :cool:

My check is in the mail,count me in-

Are Adv &amp; Open going to play all the same layouts? I want to play this All Star Layout @ the Horn? It is so much fun when I get to compare my round to some BIG guns!!

Is the players package gonna be Innova? T-shirt? Plastic?

Yes, adv. and open will play the all star layout.

Just to clarify.....

All pro divisions and advanced will play the all star layout.

All other divisions will not - they will play the shorts.

As for the players pack, it will be a voucher to the store. Not sure as to how much, probably in the 20 dollar range.

Please note some of the holes (like 5, 7, 14, and 18) the holes we picked were merely for score seperation reasons. We feel this par 55 layout will minimize some of the holes and shots that players (and we) don't like and give us an opportunity to play a great course for the openning round. Also this shorter layout will speed play up some what. After lots of debating, this is the layout we agreed on.


why was short #5 chosen?

First off, I knew at some point people would disagree with some of our decisions and I don't mind explaining any of them. So if you disagree or are curious about the holes we picked, feel free to post and I will explain.

This was one of the holes where JJ and I had the most debate. I really wanted short and he really wanted long.

I feel that the long doesn't provide nearly as much score seperation as the short. There are not nearly as many dueces as you think from the longs - my guess is in a pro field, 10 players scores would be 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, and one other where as from the shorts I expect to see 5 2's 3' 3's and two others.

The short is a very techinical little shot that people can get very greedy with. I have always liked the idea of a touch shot from the short tee and anything high seems to always be about 30 - 40 long.

JJ and I discussed it and we felt that overall the shorter tee (esp since we just played 1 - 4 long) was the better option for this hole, mainly for score seperation reasons.

Also, we in some ways wanted a good blend of holes. I knew going in that we def. use 16 and 17 short, but I could make a case for every other hole using the longs on. At that point, it is pointless to play 16 blues and 2 whites - why not just play all blues if you are going to do that? So we came up with we thought were the better short holes and used those.

Of the 15 holes with multiple tees, we were in 100% agreement on 11 of them. 5, 7, 14, and 18 had the most discussion. I wanted S5, S7, S14 and L 18. JJ wanted L5, L7, L14 and S18.

I feel that the long doesn't provide nearly as much score seperation as the short. There are not nearly as many dueces as you think from the longs - my guess is in a pro field, 10 players scores would be 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, other where as from the shorts I expect to see 5 2's 3' 3's and one other.

The short is a very techinical little shot that people can get very greedy with. I have always liked the idea of a touch shot from the short tee and anything high seems to always be about 30 - 40 long.

JJ and I discussed it and we felt that overall the shorter tee (esp since we just played 1 - 4 long) was the better option for this hole, mainly for score seperation reasons.



any data to back this up? i dont see how shortening this hole creates more score seperation. you bring a 4 into the equation which is not there from the shorts.

personally i dont think pros should play a 200 ft downhill hyzer... they can do it later at kentwood #15.

but hey, its your tourney and your opinion

No I don't have data - that is why I started that phrase with "my guess".

My guess is an educated one, one that comes from years of playing the course.

And in some cases shortening a hole and /or making it easier makes it have much more score seperation - hole 17 at the horn is a perfect example of this b/c everyone lays up from the longs and there is big split of decions from the shorts.

I knew that not everyone would agree with every single tee we picked. However, this is what we are playing and I think a majority of the people may not like which hole we picked here and there but as whole like the layout better than all longs and / or all shorts.

And in some cases shortening a hole and /or making it easier makes it have much more score seperation - hole 17 at the horn is a perfect example of this b/c everyone lays up from the longs and there is big split of decions from the shorts.


i agree, thats why i said shortening that hole not any hole. however, comparing short 17 to 5 would be quite a stretch.

I agree that 5 to 17 is a stretch - that was more or so an explination for those who wouldn't understand why shortening a hole could make it better.

I think a majority of the people may not like which hole we picked here and there but as whole like the layout better than all longs and / or all shorts.



I really believe this is the key phrase in the discussion.

I bleve too. The best of both worlds. Let's git-er-done

Mini Thumber :D

I feel that the long doesn't provide nearly as much score seperation as the short. There are not nearly as many dueces as you think from the longs - my guess is in a pro field, 10 players scores would be 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, other where as from the shorts I expect to see 5 2's 3' 3's and one other.

The short is a very techinical little shot that people can get very greedy with. I have always liked the idea of a touch shot from the short tee and anything high seems to always be about 30 - 40 long.

JJ and I discussed it and we felt that overall the shorter tee (esp since we just played 1 - 4 long) was the better option for this hole, mainly for score seperation reasons.



any data to back this up? i dont see how shortening this hole creates more score seperation. you bring a 4 into the equation which is not there from the shorts.

personally i dont think pros should play a 200 ft downhill hyzer... they can do it later at kentwood #15.

but hey, its your tourney and your opinion



How many time have you played short 5? There's your data. I think all good golfers have a good idea what stoke ave is. The PGA tell's us the easies and hardest hole for the day. The USDGC does it to. ( Just at the end) . My point is, we all have the data.

Kozak

How many time have you played short 5? There's your data. I think all good golfers have a good idea what stoke ave is. The PGA tell's us the easies and hardest hole for the day. The USDGC does it to. ( Just at the end) . My point is, we all have the data.

Kozak


what?

I will summarize for ju


but hey, its your tourney and your opinion

So does that mean Adv plays the exact tees throughout?

ps I like the Horn layout you 2 have chosen!

yes, all pro divisions and advanced will play the all star layout.

are there 'long' layouts for kentwood? Zeb only has 1 right? and cedar hills I assume we'd play the same layout as the am crosstown?

looking forward to this one... will be rehabbing the shoulder to get ready for this one!

Yeah you answered that one for me already.

I meant same through out tourny like @ Cedar Hills too?

I'm looking forward to this tourney as well. The all-star layout at buckhorn sounds sweet. Zebulon is always nice and Cedar is a quality course to. Now if we can just get rid of some of those disc eating rocks at Kentrock.

Advance Men right

are there 'long' layouts for kentwood? Zeb only has 1 right? and cedar hills I assume we'd play the same layout as the am crosstown?

looking forward to this one... will be rehabbing the shoulder to get ready for this one!



Kentwood - no longs. Pitch and putt shoot out baby. I understand this is not the best course in the world, but we had to play it to get the 4 rounds 4 courses theme.

Zebulon - A few holes have some alt pins that pretty much only locals see. For the tournament, it will be the same layout everyone always plays.

Cedar Hills - yes, the am crosstown layout. Original pin placements, short tee on hole 10. Techinically, this is the "original" layout.

Yeah you answered that one for me already.

I meant same through out tourny like @ Cedar Hills too?



Got ya - sorry I wasn't following you.

The only place the divisons will play different tees is at Buckhorn.

Advance Men right



Correct.

Advanced Masters and Advanced Women will play the shorts.

Help out the tournament!!

Bid and win this SWEET disc!

All money goes to the tournament!!

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It is offical - Gateway is now a part of this event!

We will have 100 Gateway putters (Wizards, Warlocks and Magics) for player packs and for other things.

The Gateway putters are top of the line and I've heard many Innova players talk about they wish they could use them. The plastic is very grippy and they all give very consistent flights.

Even better is all of them will be custom stamped for this tournament.

More player package information as it comes in....this is just the start.

Thanks Dave and everyone else at Gateway for your support of the Raleigh Disc Golf Championship!!

Help out the tournament!!

Bid and win this SWEET disc!

All money goes to the tournament!!

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I'm still the high bidder (although if I win it @ what I bid then something is wrong)

Someone needs to update their eBay account info. That disc isn't in Greenville :)

I'm still the high bidder (although if I win it @ what I bid then something is wrong)



I agree! It will go up. It still has 6 days and when it gets closer to the front of the auction pages, I except to see lots of action.

I'm thinking it will go in the 20 - 25 range.

Thanks for the bid stack!!

Someone needs to update their eBay account info. That disc isn't in Greenville :)



That tells you how long its been since I've been on ebay!!

I actually saw that after I posted the item and changed my info so the next disc I sell for the tournament will be the correct town.

We are now over 1/4 of the way towards filling.

Don't delay. Register now.

4 rounds and 4 completly different styles of golf.



What are the 4 different styles of golf?

Round 1 - Buckhorn - Very technical - lots of long straight shots required. Very easy to have a very bad hole
Round 2 - Kentwood - A pitch and putt birdie fest. A bad round here can put you out of contention quickly
Round 3 - Zebulon - Open and windy - this course will have scores all over the place and works well as a third round course with all the moves
Round 4 - Cedar Hills - A typical NC style course - hit your fairways and you can shoot a good round. 16 birdie chances but anything in the 40s is good. Very easy to lose a lead on thie course and to make a charge.

hmm... lets see

there's the dragon style
white crane
eagle claw
and the most deadly ...
THUMBER STYLE!

just confirmed another 75 dollars in sponsorship.

Will post the current tally when I get to work tomorrow.

I also confirmed yet ANOTHER surprise today that will be announced soon.

Registrations are flying in. Don't delay. Sign up now!

3 baskets for the ams.

Lots and lots of added cash in the pros.

What kind of basket??

Disccatcher sport and 2 skill shots

Added cash right is roughly 1,135 right now with added cash and known profit from players packs.

This is only getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

CFR discs are coming soon. The tournament stamp is SWEET!!

Added cash right is roughly 1,135 right now with added cash and known profit from players packs.

This is only getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger.

Stand Back Robert :cool::), it's gonna explode :o:D;)

CFR discs are coming soon. The tournament stamp is SWEET!!

In!

1st time at Buckhorn!

You'll like Buckhorn Ty, you'll like it even more Married. Congrats Bro ;)

He won't be able to throw straight, he will be give out! :o

Welcome to the fraternity Tyson!

thanks guys. believe me I got permission before I paypaled.

Welcome to TThe DeaTThpool

thanks guys. believe me I got permission before I paypaled.



You must have been denied access from the wife to play advanced since you signed up for intermediate.

BAGGER!!!!!

Hahaha, did I mention I havent played Buckhorn, besides the last two tournies (clash and crooked creek) I got 840 rounds (first time playing these courses as well).
Yes, 840!

I figured since Buckhorn is 1st, nothing like playin catch up.

900 rated, for now.

If she knew Advanced was more $$$, I would of been denied anyway, married life. :D

Welcome to TThe DeaTThpool



TThanks, but I thought that was where Rocky pulled out his swimwear. :confused:

Absolotly. You need to ask often for a kitchen pass, so you can still see the dg buddies.. A Kitchen pass is approval to leave the house temporarily.

Mini Thumber's married advice-- ;) Go ahead and buy her flowers for no reason, not because it's birthday,anniversary, or anything else, just cuz. I call these Just Cause flowers, that way, when you mess up, and you will, you can remind her of her Just cause flowers. See you're up one.. It's a good bogey

Mini Thumber, Retired Military SFC, 32yrs married, and a pretty good Rec player :cool:

Once you get some time as a married man under your belt, you'll learn how to get more tourney's in. For example, this year I got to Bowling Green, Azalea, Kinston, and a couple more through the summer. To finish things off, I get to go to the USDGC's this year. All it cost me was letting my wife go to Hawaii for 8 days to visit her sister. So just me and my two daughters (2 &amp; 4) for just over week. That'll defitiely get you some brownie points. :D

8 Day's in Hawaii, Snapp, you're up about 12 tournaments. Good Job my son.

Mini THumber :D

Tournament is officially 1/3 full.

don't delay. register now!!!

I am proud to announce I have secured a 300 dollar title sponsor of the event, Health Space.

Health Space, under chiropractor Dr. Brett Hightower, is a long time supporter of Raleigh Disc Golf Events.

If you ever need anything chiropractor related , PLEASE visit Dr. Hightower and thank him for his continued support of disc golf in the city of Raleigh.

Information on his practice can be found at : http://www.healthspacenc.com/

you might want to get the name right in first sentence and header cause I was trying to remember a Heath

thanks for the heads up!

I am proud to announce I have secured a 300 dollar title sponsor of the event, Health Space.

Health Space, under chiropractor Dr. Brett Hightower, is a long time supporter of Raleigh Disc Golf Events.

If you ever need anything chiropractor related , PLEASE visit Dr. Hightower and thank him for his continued support of disc golf in the city of Raleigh.

Information on his practice can be found at : http://www.healthspacenc.com/


I sponsored the event, will this guy come out to CO and fix my back??

haha!!

I'm sure he will be glad to help if ya came back to Raleigh!

added cash is well over 1,000 now.


I'm honestly thinking 2,000 will be the minimum amount added and I just ran the numbers with 2,000 added and woah....

basically....

register now.

Health Space has gone above and beyond sponsoring this event by now adding 200 more dollars into the purse.

I have just confirmed I will have champion X-Callibers for sale for this event.

I have 44 for sale right now.They are 20 dollars. They should be arriving soon.

Not sure on colors yet, but I do know they are all max weight.

The Champion X-Calliber is NOT a regular production disc, so if you want one, this is THE ONLY way to get one!!

PM me and I will put you on the list for them.

Oh and I figured 3 baskets weren't enough...

so I'm going to give away 4.

how will you be giving the baskets away?

Def. 1st place advanced and 1st place intermediate.

Not sure what I will do with the other two - but they will be in payout of some sort.

bump

Bump will be at the CC TThat day, sorry.

haha that was funny

The Champion X-Calibers are going quick.

If you want one, you need to get on the ball and let me know!

Got lots of requests for these this morning since posting this.

They are going very very quick.

PM me to get one!

Looks like another first class event from MTL and the Raleigh area club.

Keep up the great work Robert!

Officially half full.

If you are not one of the 45 on the list, look at my signature.

Mark,

I got your PM but your account is no longer accepting messages so I was unable to reply

Send me an email.

[email protected]

The Discs are here!!

I can let some more stuff out of the bag now that everything is official...

The players pack will consist of the BRAND NEW San Marino Roc!

The first 54 ams to check in will recieve on these babies along with the wizard and some more goodies.

We also have some really good stuff for payout such as Champion TL's, Big Bead Aviars, Star Destoryers, Star X-Calibers, etc.

All these are custom stamped with the tournament logo designed by Kevin Smith.

The CFR discs are here as well!!

These are getting gone quick.

They are all max weight and are the following colors.

Yellow
Neon Green
Dark Purple
Pink

20 dollars in person, 21 via paypal, 26 for shipped.

If you see me I will have these with me until they are gone. Let me know if you want one and I will put you on the list!!

You can email me ([email protected]) or PM me to reserve one.

Not many CFR's left.

Get em while they are hot

I can't wait to play this one....gonna be crazy!!

over 2/3 full.

26 spots left

make that 25

Just got word from Pete Kenny that he's heading out there to visit his parents and decided to spend the weekend playing this tournament. Pete and I bonded pretty quickly as TTar Heel alumni that made our way out to Colorado :) He's an awesome guy - really fun to play with.

MTL, you should put him with Robbie Dunn the first round, as those two will be like two peas in a pod...

yeah I'm sure they would click!

Too bad LL is playing Open - hes a big Duke fan :D

2 new entries via Paypal this morning.

This thing is starting to fill quickly.

DO NOT WAIT!

I suggest to all my bagger buddies, get your registration in now. Only 20 spots left, and based on my conversation this morning, and Last Sun, 4 of those went out yesterday. When MTL begins the Alternate list, you may want to be there early just in case you can get in. To the other grandmasters from Durham, come on guy's. Since you let me win last weekend, I won't call any of you a Bagger this weekend,....maybe.

Mini Thumber, still recovering from the Tar Hell tnmt, Word : :(

19 spots....

15 spots

I just did the PayPal thing

Great Scotty, will be good to see ya. Robert, all divisions playing the same pads?

At Buckhorn, No.

Adv men, Pro Men, Pro Women, and Pro Masters will play the mixed "all star" layout.

All other divisions will play the shorts.

At Kentwood and Zebulon there are only one set of pads.

At Cedar Hills, all divisions will play the longs except hole 10. This is the original layout.

In

: ) :

11 spots

Wyatt, you better hurry and get your money in, or do you just fear this. This thing will fill if not thursday, then for sure in Zebulon.

Mini Thumber, proud sponsor og the RDGA, and leader of the Bagger Cup, and in 2nd for the Hooters Cup ;)

Wyatt and Andrew are in.

ONLY 8 SPOTS LEFT.

This thing will fill in the next 48 hours.

DO NOT DELAY

The standby list will begin soon. Who will be first, and that is only good if your the first called from the waiting list, and you just happen to be present at the prescribred time.

Mini Thumber :)

7

6

The following people not on the list that are in the tournament and will be put on the list tonight :

Scotty Faison
Mark Joslin
Steve Mallinson
Max Crotts
Tim Wrenn
Brandon Wrenn
Danny Hill
Dave Monteith
Josh Friend
Wyatt Cogin
Andrew Cogin

This brings the total to 84. 6 spots left

WOW, bet it is full as soon as the mail is delivered tomorrow.



Is this a USBDGC qualifer/
United States Bagger Disc Golf Championship.... :D

Mini Thumber, I'm in

5 spots left. the deacun is in

5 spots left. the deacun is in



Just about to post that very thing!

3

Wow, can't keep up with it. Standby list will commence soon. Now, the Deacon. Could that be the puttin champion Mr Crouch..

Mini Thumber, can't thumb like The Pro, but better lookin. Not all night like the WAVE, but takes all night.&amp;, a Pretty good Rec player :p

The 87 people represents those paid before 5 PM today.

This is the way the last 3 spots will work.

All Paypals received from now until 5 PM tomorrow will be lumped in with all mailed entries from tomorrow.

If there are 3, those 3 are in, tournament is full.

If there are more than 3, all entries will be put in hat and names will be drawn at random.

The first three get the spots. Then from them on the wait list forms.

If there are less than 3, we move on to the next day with the same idea posted above.

If the situation for a draft happens, I will post the results and will start the waitlist.

Only 18 Open Players......... Payout is going to be very nice !!!!!!!!!!!

Does that mean there may be 72 closed players. Open and closed, maybe thats why were Baggers..LOL. Good Job JJ, and MTL. Was coming, now it's almost here.

Mini Thumbers, proud sponsor of the......Event :cool:

Only 18 Open Players......... Payout is going to be very nice !!!!!!!!!!!



If you cash :D

Now that I have a better idea of the field....

The following will get a basket :

- Winner of the Advanced division
- Winner of the Intermediate division
- Winner of the Adv. Masters division
- Winner of the Recreational division

Don't want to post what I think the open payout will be b/c I can not guess how much profit will be made, but I bet there will be a comma in someone's paycheck ;)

what kind of basket?

I have a disccatcher sport, 2 skill shots and a traveler.

Paypal will be shut off tomorrow at 5PM

Thanks DG!

and yes, it is Mr. Geist :D

I have a disccatcher sport, 2 skill shots and a traveler.



I'll take the discatcher sport! :p

You better move up AND win ;)

you fill the final three spots via paypal or mail yet?

I don't get the emails for online registration until 5 PM from Mike. At that time, I will know how many registrations I have both from that and from the mail.

congrats on filling.

Thanks Robert, we are trying to get one more in from Gboro.

Storker Ace may be the first on the wait list.

MY guess, he gets 12 in today's mail, and email.

Who wants to guess?

Mini Thumber, I'm a pretty good rec player. Ich kann auch speilen mit die eltern von ich murchete.

Kliene Damben ;)

Mini Thumber, I'm a pretty good rec player. Ich kann auch speilen mit die eltern von ich murchete.

Kliene Damben ;)



BigRock - Wir kamen in truoble das letzte Mal, das wir dies taten

Das ist abba gute bagger. Wier kannen aufpassen was gebt los. Ich habt geherd das Ich habt gewhennen gegen 20 wafflen.

Kliene Damben, Ich kannen ein bissem gut spielen. :)

I feel like I'm reading the transcripts of a Mike Hofmann phone call home

I told you we would get in trouble again. bigrock

I feel like I'm reading the transcripts of a Mike Hofmann phone call home



LMAO

The random lottery has taken place. Someone at my work chose the names from a hat in order.

The final three spots went to:

1. Sean Gough
2. Kevin Heathcock
3. Scott Anderson

The wait list in order :

1. Jason Gelband
2. James Conrad
3. Ant Gale
4. Paul Roborough
5. Kevin Burgess

The list will reflect this as soon as I get home.

The list is now updated.

If you would like to get on the wait list, please contact me.

Order on it is first come first serve.

For those of you 5 who pay paled and are on the wait list, your payment will be denied.

Should anyone from the waitlist get on, you will have up to 8:30 the morning of the tournament to pay. You will also be contacted and there will also be a message on here about the changes.