Also,

These comments are CLEARLY nothing but hate towards me. 100% nothing but that. This is clearly an attack against me.

Wanna know why?

The sentence used by Mr. DeCock was "Leonard and Jernigan figured they could do better."

Yet this whole time, I didn't hear a single word attacking JJ. Just me. Yet the the word says Leonard and Jernigan. Why isn't JJ getting any of this? B/c you are out to get me that is why.

I know nothing about this trip you speak of, only that apparrently there was a bad tournament, with no reason why, or identification of the tourney. If you dog it in a public newspaper, you should have enough cajones to say what tourney it is on here. That's fair. Nothing personal about this. I'd just like to know the reasons for MTL's hate and to whom he is hatin' on in a more public forum that more potential or future disc golfers come from! He does often say he just wants to grow the sport, and I want to know why he won't address the details so as to help others already actively contributing to the sport to possibly make changes to the things he disagrees with.

Also,

These comments are CLEARLY nothing but hate towards me. 100% nothing but that. This is clearly an attack against me.

Wanna know why?

The sentence used by Mr. DeCock was "Leonard and Jernigan figured they could do better."

Yet this whole time, I didn't hear a single word attacking JJ. Just me. Yet the the word says Leonard and Jernigan. Why isn't JJ getting any of this? B/c you are out to get me that is why.



Did JJ dog a tournament? Which one, and why?

Which one, and why?

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The sentence used by Mr. DeCock was "Leonard and Jernigan figured they could do better."

Also,

These comments are CLEARLY nothing but hate towards me. 100% nothing but that. This is clearly an attack against me.

Wanna know why?

The sentence used by Mr. DeCock was "Leonard and Jernigan figured they could do better."

Yet this whole time, I didn't hear a single word attacking JJ. Just me. Yet the the word says Leonard and Jernigan. Why isn't JJ getting any of this? B/c you are out to get me that is why.



Did JJ dog a tournament? Which one, and why?

Apparently all he said was that there was a tournament where he and JJ didn't agree with how some things were done, and that instead of just [censored] (as so many people are apt to do) they decided to run a better event. He's obviously taking the high road at this point in time by not bashing a fellow tournament director.

If MtL wanted to take the low road and do something that lacks cajones he'd obviously spout off with the name of the event and the tournament director, and gouge that TD. Right now he's avoiding the unnecessary controversy and inevitable flamewar that would result by his bringing up the exact information.

If you really want the information stop spouting off like a troll and ask the people in private or over PM. Already Kirk, JJ, and MtL have all been identified as people that were at that event. Ask them in private instead of asking them to publicly flame other tournament directors. Take the high road on this issue.


-Chris.

If only you lived in NC young jedi, you would know much more truth. I also have a bad reputation from MTL to uphold, so the high road takes on new perceptions and is arbitrary for me! ;)

If only you lived in NC young jedi, you would know much more truth. I also have a bad reputation from MTL to uphold, so the high road takes on new perceptions and is arbitrary for me! ;)



OK PP enough, time for bed now.

Good night Jason!

Good night Jason!




LOL.... good night to you to ;)

ok... all paranoia of trying to get anyone in trouble by having them name names aside...

i was the first to post the article when I found it online (right after it was published) and posted it here as an FYI.

after reading it I had the same question but MTL said he wouldn't name names... ok... no biggie. I then replied with...


just curious MTL... i guess i wasnt wondering about the tourney so much as to what you didnt like or agree with (learning from others mistakes) ... whatever it was you & JJ did what others should do... instead of just complaining step up and run a tourney the way you think it should be run.

Have fun tomorrow everyone!



thought it was rather positive and just trying to learn as someone who TDs local stuff and might step up to TD some big shows someday. I can (as someone mentioned) PM Kirk or JJ but I dont see Kirk on here much and i've never talked to JJ before so I was asking MTL.

Plug
Hickraw Classic is the bomb so it's not us mus've be them boyz up north not known what to do
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Well if was us hopefully no Tizzle

Hey Big Wave, Toomes gave me the wizard. Thanks man, its going in the bag as my new jump putt putter.

"I took you off ignore for today b/c I was curious as to what you would have to say about an event that you didn't even attend.

No surprise to me, it was 100% negative." - BOB

No surprise to me, you imagined all of my negativity, as I have not, nor have anything to say about your event. Just comments on why you bad mouthed another.

Hey Big Wave, Toomes gave me the wizard. Thanks man, its going in the bag as my new jump putt putter.


Glad to hear Frank. Hope ta see ya around homie!!

To Polish and Stack. it is painfully obvious to anyone who plays disc golf in North Carolina what event MTL was reffering to. so can we drop this nonsense and turn this baord back to something that resembles positivity??????????????????

Polish love ya buddy!!

It really need not be reminded. Disc Golf in North Carolina is at a high level because of MTL, Joe Noble, Big Wave Dave, Joel and Christian Smith. Mike Norris, Scott and Moe Knapp, Scotty Faison, JJ, and Craig, just to name a few. These folks have experience, and have taken what works and implemented, and what does not, and corected it. I (we) should all thank them for thier contribution.

Thanks Guy's

Mini Thumber, a Pretty good rec player.
Now, where is the next local tnmt, I need to throw something . :cool:

big wave... i really dont care what event and honestly have no clue either... again I was more curious as to what the 'issues' where to learn from others mistakes than to ever have him name names.

As mentioned... not trying to be negative... looking to grow/improve by learning but its really not that big of a deal to me and i'm not trying to harp on it so I will gladly let it go. At this point i'd just rather MTL not say anything since it would probably start a flame war and just say that if I'm ever involved in an event where there are issues I hope people let me know so we can try to remedy them.

as said earlier... wish I coulda made it (love playing events at different courses like that) and sorry I had to drop out... sounds like everyone had a good time!

Sheesh! This thread is dead Fred!

Stack, check this out. Things that are valuable to me. Be informative, on time, precise, make decisions on a start time and stick to it, keep a flow going, avoid backups, Food provided for an organization to raise money, means I don't have to bag it, or leave the course, is always a plus in my book. In my opinion

Mini Thumber, a Pretty good rec player

big wave... i really dont care what event !


then why did you ask??????????????????????????? and rocky hit the nail on the head twice. don't worry about what not to do concentrate on what to do and you are sure to be a success

i only asked what tourney once a while back... MTL said he wouldn't say and I left it @ that.

thanks Rock

I know everyone had a good time, the tournament was a challenge with not being able to get revenge on a course that might have been tough on you (Buckhorn). I personally had a blast and think the tournament was well organized and gosh look at all the sponsorship. It was great to have an event sponsor, thanks to Dr. Hightower and staff. I got to play with some good friends and made some new ones. I have a few suggestions that I will share for future improvement but I will contact the TD's privately. I would like that same courtesy as a TD myself. However, suggestions are always welcome from players because at the end of the tournament I want players to leave happy and satisfied even if they didn't shoot their best golf. Robert and JJ a pm will be coming your way, thanks for all of the hard work the tournament was great!

where did i say you asked more than once? and you and polish have mulitiple times tried to bait MTL into talking negatively about another TD. MTL clearly and simply stated to a reporter that he went to a tournament that he felt was not run properly and he thought he could do a better job. that is it it is not up to MTL to validate that statement it is what it is. i understand Polish's motivation but yours i have no clue. and now rocky has had to post the exact same post twice. so once again can we drop it??????????????????????????

I wonder if the sponsors that visit these pages, and some do, loose motivation to put money amd merch up for tournament when they read negativity? Some things should be dropped, some discussed privately, and some up front for everyone. Handling things the right way is the only way to that we can be sure that disc golf along with other things gets the respect and attention that we all know it deserves. Let's try to work together, we will get a lot more accomplished if we do.

where did i say you asked more than once? and you and polish have mulitiple times tried to bait MTL into talking negatively about another TD. MTL clearly and simply stated to a reporter that he went to a tournament that he felt was not run properly and he thought he could do a better job. that is it it is not up to MTL to validate that statement it is what it is. i understand Polish's motivation but yours i have no clue. and now rocky has had to post the exact same post twice. so once again can we drop it??????????????????????????



no doubt, craig and mtl- spare the rest of us your petty horseshit- if you dislike each other that much do the right thing- duelling destroyers at 20 paces to the death!

no doubt, craig and mtl- spare the rest of us your petty horseshit- if you dislike each other that much do the right thing- duelling destroyers at 20 paces to the death!



I don't know you, so don't take this personally - but I really can't see where MTL did anything here. I'd say PP needs to leave this alone. He didn't even attend the event so why does he care what improvements MTL and JJ made on the tournament?

responding to pp's nonsense= fueling the fire

responding to pp's nonsense= fueling the fire



99% of the time, I ignore him which is why I have him on ignore.

However, my response was not about myself, it was about defending the tournament. This is why I chose to respond.

responding to pp's nonsense= fueling the fire



Yes, I suppose the best thing to do, especially now at this point, is to leave it alone.

99% of the time, I ignore him which is why I have him on ignore.

However, my response was not about myself, it was about defending the tournament. This is why I chose to respond.



That's understandable as well. I can say from sort of an "outside" perspective what Big Wave was also saying - you've done enough to defend the tourney and also explain what you meant, and for the record, you did a good job running it as well, obviously correcting whatever must have made you/JJ unhappy with the other one.

true- congrats rob on what was by all accounts an excellent event.

To all of Polish Power's comments. Why does it matter what tournament it was? The fact that you really really want to know what tournament it was "shows alot" as you would say. The simple fact is, that we do NOT WANT TO DOG THE TOURNAMENT, THAT IS WHY WE ARE NOT TELLING ANYONE WHAT TOURNAMENT IT WAS!! We just wanted to run an event that everyone appreciated and had fun at. The reason behind mentioning that tournament was to prove that we weren't just going to complain and whine about what happened, and that we were going to run an event ourselves, maybe event to appreciate tournaments that others ran a little more. And believe me, I do appreciate it 100 times more. I've always loved everyone and never had any problems with the disc golf community. But this finding every little thing wrong with something Rob has done is a little childish don't ya think? No worries PP or anyone else, just everyone (and you know who you are) please stop acting like a child and grow up...

JJ

it was a great tournament run by two guys who really want to promote the sport and went the extra mile to do so. Thanks to all who contributed. Competing on all these courses also reminded me why Raleigh produces so many talented golfers. Looking forward to Cary

Competing on all these courses also reminded me why Raleigh produces so many talented golfers. Looking forward to Cary



Didn't it? These four courses, taken together, present about every style of golf and type of throw you could need. The format was excellent.

Thats a fact, on that one hole at Cedar, I had to throw a backhand :mad:, how embarrassing. Maybe why I'm a Wreck Player, someday, the PDGA will adjust the names of these divisions, in the mean time. I'm a pretty good Rec player, IMO

I wonder if the sponsors that visit these pages, and some do, loose motivation to put money amd merch up for tournament when they read negativity? Some things should be dropped, some discussed privately, and some up front for everyone. Handling things the right way is the only way to that we can be sure that disc golf along with other things gets the respect and attention that we all know it deserves. Let's try to work together, we will get a lot more accomplished if we do.


i hope this is not directed at me. i am assuming you just replied to my post being it was the last post submitted. that is the assumption i will go on.

WOW, lets see who I can make made.


As most of you know I call MTL a friend and don�t hide it.

After Day one of the Yadkin spring tourney Robert. was riding with to play my private course. Robert talked to me about his plans to put on an event because of a badly ran tournament he attended. I don�t recall him tell me the Event or TD. If he did my memory is gone. The points is he has not been out talking behind the TD�s back. He has let his tournament speak for it�s self. And it was a great event.

Things that can be done better.

More water. Never been to a tournament where the water didn�t run out.
�but I carry a lot with me. By the time I�m out everybody else has filled up.�

Have option of subs, sandwiches delivered to the course. The Cross town and the Tar heel did this. It�s great for local business. And better for the players.

Tivvle, time to change your signature you mullet. ;) :)

Dave my statement is not directed to you at all. I wrote my statement to point out, to Polish and others that may feel the same way, that there is a better way to hanlde things. I know those guys have some kind of history. I am just making a point that even if there are issues between individuals, there is no need to put it in the light. I don't have ill will towards anyone here, if I did though, I would hope that I would be able to deal with it on a person to person basis. Doing so, in my opinion, would be a more adult way to resolve an issue while not distracting others (users, sponsors, moderators, players, etc.) from reading negative comments from one person to another. If I have a problem with someone or need to discuss an personal issue, they can just know that I will be in touch privately. I was supporting you Dave and the need to drop the issue. Do you really think I would direct some kind of hostile post to you or anyone else?

i dont know joe.... you can kind of be a pretty big jerk sometimes.... JUST KIDDING!!! sounds like the tournament was run very well and i HOPE it happens again next so that i can send my money in early for once and make it up to (as my friends from app state call it)'ruff raleigh.' to everyone bickering back and forth and what not... DROP IT! where is the love?! this is disc golf, not ice skating. ive got a lot of respect for the passion that MTL has for this great sport. keep it up brutha

I think the real issue is PP is madly in love with Rob. He confessed this love years ago to Rob. Rob rejected him and now PP is hurt. The hurt expresses its self in anger and hate towards Rob, but really pp hates himself for all of this:P

I agree, we should be passing on the Love, and puppies and such, or, how good that Rec player is. He's a pretty good Rec player, IMO

Mini Thumber, a Pretty Good Rec player, ;)

Yo Rockster, Finally my player rating is going up where it belongs! :D

I made a suggestion to MTL the proper way-(a PM) and he liked it. It was to have trophies for every division, at least 1st
place. I would like to see 1st thru 3rd myself. ;) I think all 4 round tourneys should do this. I would rather win a trophie than plastic only, playing Advanced. The Disc catchers were awesome prizes for sure!!

Who's with me? :cool:

With all this love going around I'm feeling a little mushy inside and would like to share a heart felt moment...... Whatever, lol

I had a blast this weekend! I loved the format. Enjoyed every card I was on and if I could have of put a half way decent round together at Zeb maybe could have been in the hunt in my best finish in Advanced yet. Joe, it was a pleasure watching you play this weekend. Your putting at Zeb was awesome. BWD, anytime brother. Max, you're a trip and as always a pleasure. Monty, I consider you one of the nicest guys out there and it is always a treat to play a round with you. I'm not gonna name everyone I played with but as I said before, it was a pleasure playing with you all! Thanks to Health Space for all there time and efforts! It was greatly appreciated. Bio-Freeze rocks! See all you soon.

i dont know joe.... you can kind of be a pretty big jerk sometimes.... JUST KIDDING!!! sounds like the tournament was run very well and i HOPE it happens again next so that i can send my money in early for once and make it up to (as my friends from app state call it)'ruff raleigh.' to everyone bickering back and forth and what not... DROP IT! where is the love?! this is disc golf, not ice skating. ive got a lot of respect for the passion that MTL has for this great sport. keep it up brutha



well said BigJerm.


Can't wait to meet you in Kalamazoo. I'll be the guy carring Andrew Coggin's Bag.

Best of luck to you. lets bring'em home for NC.

.

I think the real issue is PP is madly in love with Rob. He confessed this love years ago to Rob. Rob rejected him and now PP is hurt. The hurt expresses its self in anger and hate towards Rob, but really pp hates himself for all of this:P




Thought that was funny Jason and I can handle it as I am a big boy, but more so because yesterday I say "closet" and get a warning from a moderator for what they say was a homophobic remark, and you accuse people of being [censored] and all sorts of stuff and nothing! That's hilarious. Favoritism and discrimination wins again!

Aren't you a minister? ;)

he's the best kind of zealot, the one who knows who to leave alone and who to crucify.

: ) :

Since someone has mentioned it I will take the blame for the water issue.

As I have done for literally dozens of tournaments I supplied the ice water for the event. Unfortunately I had to borrow water coolers as mine are in storage at Holden Beach. Usually I have 5 water coolers but this weekend all I had were 2. I am sorry that I didn't have more.

The only thing I can say is if the rest of y'all were like me you wouldn't need someone else to supply you with water. Even though I have supplied dozens of tournaments with ice water I have never (not even once) used any water from any of the coolers I have delivered to events. I bring my own cooler full of bottled water.

Kirk

This is true, Kirk taught me that a long time ago..

I do want to once again thank everyone for their support and kind words this past weekend. I hope we can improve on some stuff for next year!!

Nah, it's just that Jason has a more intimate relationship with Bob! :D

I think the real issue is PP is madly in love with Rob. He confessed this love years ago to Rob. Rob rejected him and now PP is hurt. The hurt expresses its self in anger and hate towards Rob, but really pp hates himself for all of this:P




Hmmmmmm........ I agree, i think the only difference is it is pretty obvious that man was a joke. :D


Thought that was funny Jason and I can handle it as I am a big boy, but more so because yesterday I say "closet" and get a warning from a moderator for what they say was a homophobic remark, and you accuse people of being [censored] and all sorts of stuff and nothing! That's hilarious. Favoritism and discrimination wins again!

he's the best kind of zealot, the one who knows who to leave alone and who to crucify.

: ) :





zealot
noun
a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
� ( Zealot) historical a member of an ancient Jewish sect aiming at a world Jewish theocracy and resisting the Romans until ad 70.


:D

Is that why they call me JU?

Nah, it's just that Jason has a more intimate relationship with Bob! :D




this is true! I love Rob, and yes i do hate myself for it...LOL. But he is a friend, and always will be.


((insert funny PP spin on my comment here))

Is that why they call me JU?


hahaha

PP is funny?

His posts on the DB are almost as annoying as MTL is in person.

It's too bad that "Craig, stop typing" doesn't have quite the same impact on here as "Robert, stop talking" has in person.

Kirk

Is that why they call me JU?


hahaha




that was for TT :)

Since someone has mentioned it I will take the blame for the water issue.

As I have done for literally dozens of tournaments I supplied the ice water for the event. Unfortunately I had to borrow water coolers as mine are in storage at Holden Beach. Usually I have 5 water coolers but this weekend all I had were 2. I am sorry that I didn't have more.

The only thing I can say is if the rest of y'all were like me you wouldn't need someone else to supply you with water. Even though I have supplied dozens of tournaments with ice water I have never (not even once) used any water from any of the coolers I have delivered to events. I bring my own cooler full of bottled water.

Kirk



Captain, Don't mean for it to sound negitive. just a general comment about all tournaments. and how to improve.

Thanks for all your hard work.

.

His posts on the DB are almost as annoying as MTL is in person.


wow, yoo and J off to a tremendous pace of hilarity this thursday. keep it up

iTT's TThursday?.......WOW.....you're kidding righTT......uhhhh

Since someone has mentioned it I will take the blame for the water issue.

As I have done for literally dozens of tournaments I supplied the ice water for the event. Unfortunately I had to borrow water coolers as mine are in storage at Holden Beach. Usually I have 5 water coolers but this weekend all I had were 2. I am sorry that I didn't have more.

The only thing I can say is if the rest of y'all were like me you wouldn't need someone else to supply you with water. Even though I have supplied dozens of tournaments with ice water I have never (not even once) used any water from any of the coolers I have delivered to events. I bring my own cooler full of bottled water.

Kirk



wasnt there this weekend but thanks for doing this again and for the tournies I have played where you volunteered. I personally take out 1 or 2 nalgene bottles filled when I head out but depending on the conditions will usually down it and get a refill and appreciate having water on the course

Thanks again and hope the move goes/went well

PP is funny?

His posts on the DB are almost as annoying as MTL is in person.

It's too bad that "Craig, stop typing" doesn't have quite the same impact on here as "Robert, stop talking" has in person.

Kirk



hahaha now that's funny

http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com/?p=217

Sweet video fro Kris Henseler!

sweet

good stuff, thanx Mr Henseler

Nice video....that was pretty awesome.

beautiful MR Snoop Jr

Going to be in Raleigh next week. What's the must play course(s) to play between Raleigh and Charlotte?

well i wouldn't necessarilly say there are ANY must plays in raleigh!! only kidding, zebulon is my favorite up in that area, with buckhorn and cedar hills right there behind. but if you want to play the best courses (challenging, fair, unique AND FUN) look no furhter than hornets nest and renny gold down here in charlotte!

Between Raleigh and CharloTTe.....hit up Burlington

Between Raleigh and CharloTTe.....hit up Burlington



2nd

LeTT's not forget Chapel HIll. Between Raleighwood and the Queen CiTTY, it's a MUST PLAY

I got a call from Skizzy saying he found my disc in pond at Buckhorn. He referred me to his website. There were a lot a disc found and I saw some familiar names on his list. Check out his site and let people know if you see their name.

www.getyourdisc.blogspot.com (http://www.getyourdisc.blogspot.com/)

Tyson

Wyatt and Dawn you were on his list :eek:

Thanks Tyson, I already spoke with Izzy, and made arrangements. Thanks

Schweb!! That thumber on 9 at Cedar was SICK!!!!!! :cool::cool::cool:

just another day at werk,,,,,,,Thanks Timmay

I sold a car today.

Just another day at werk.

Nice video....that was pretty awesome.



JJ gets the "best putt" award on hole 7!

Kozak

I sold a car today.

Just another day at werk.



hehehehehehehehehe

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JJ gets the "best putt" award on hole 7!



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Agreed

Nice video....that was pretty awesome.



JJ gets the "best putt" award on hole 7!

Kozak



Yeah he was pretty upset about his drive and he nailed that putt.

We started on hole 2 and he went 2232 to start and the 4'd hole 6.

That putt was not only huge b/c of the distance, but it got him right back going. He easily could have let the 4 and the bad drive on 7 get to his head but he made the big putt and got going again.

He putted really really well that round.

might be because he changed back to his old puTT

I kinda of thought those 2 aces were pretty good putts, 1 from The Pro, and 1 from a Rec Player...LOL ;). Why am I here, and not going To K-Zoo :mad:

1 from a Rec Player



Jason Shermer, my better half's cousin. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif