Most Masters played in 15-25 wind on Sunday BUT Open played with practically NIL :mad:



and saturday was the exact opposite, Masters played in nicer, calmer conditions @ Fountain and Open played in constant 30MPH winds....

Hence the 1075(50)rated round by Oates and the open hot score was 52, in much windier conditions

Gentry is looking into doing ratings by groups of divisions by testing what the SSA would be for each division by itself and combining those that are close. Since he was there and did the groupings, he's in the best position to help. We'll see what he finds and proceed. If we can separate the field into groups having similar weather conditions for ratings, we'll do it.

Most Masters played in 15-25 wind on Sunday BUT Open played with practically NIL :mad:



and saturday was the exact opposite, Masters played in nicer, calmer conditions @ Fountain and Open played in constant 30MPH winds....

Hence the 1075(50)rated round by Oates and the open hot score was 52, in much windier conditions



Sure the LEAD cards played in "little wind".....More tha 3/4 of the Masters played in similar conditions as the Open.

The wind DID finally "calm down" with 4 or 5 holes to go in my group....

Its the first 5 that KILLED me :p

BUT that goes back to my point as to WHY cant each division (in an event this large) be calculated seperate. It would bring the rating more in line with the conditions that each faced.....

Its not fair for Open ratings from the Fountain to be "grouped" with the Masters....
The conditions OVERALL were VASTLY different.. :p

Gentry is looking into doing ratings by groups of divisions by testing what the SSA would be for each division by itself and combining those that are close. Since he was there and did the groupings, he's in the best position to help. We'll see what he finds and proceed. If we can separate the field into groups having similar weather conditions for ratings, we'll do it.



Thats all we can ask for.... :D

Congratulations, Steven!

24 Steven Gailey 31762 61 1023 59 1001 65 1003 +2 185 $355

Didn't meet you, but awesome playing!

i don't understand why there is so much complaining about ratings. they are fun, but in the end all that really matters is the final score and the $$$$! especially for the PROS, or so i would think.

Awesome Tournament!!!!!! Yes i missed my tee time friday i took a 7 on hole one an an 8 on two (par plus 4) No there was not a woman involved haha, i went to Fountain Hills instead of vista for some reason i thought thats where we were playing i don't know don't ask me!! But luckly i only missed two holes, put it behind me played good and cashed...

yeah, you definitely played some solid golf.

keep it up!

I whine because nobody else has the balls to, I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a whiner, there needs to be a f*****g change.

The good news is that everyone will get the same rating for the same score in a round.



How is that GOOD news???

A 58 at the Fountain Sat Morn is equal to about a 52 in the afternoon with the way the weather changed....

Same with Vista on Sunday..........but switched....

The event itself was AWESOME...as always...I just wish I could keep my disc between the lines... :(



Thank you.... thank you mike....

Maybe this game will grow and be mainstream when the RATING system is accuate... (and bigger sposors, but who wants to sponsor a game that has flaws, lol) but who would want that... like, come to california and see how your rating fairs... look at my rounds out of state compared to cali... 2 rounds right now below my rating (out of state) out of how many?... HAHAHAHAHAHHAH TELL ME THERE IS NO FLAW PLEASE, I WILL LAUGH IN YOUR FACE. same with andrew rich and local oregon golfers.

Perhaps you should not venture out of state?

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.

way too much complaining here. I thought it was windy the whole time except for milder conditions on friday.

Wind was everywhere. It was also swirly meaning it was hard to get a read on it sometimes. One hole would be windy and then it would be gone for a hole and so on.

Anybody ready for next year yet?

Is it really your birthday this time, Tank?

I am!

Happy Birthday TanK

Yes sir, The Big 31 today,

thanks Sprout

Happy B-Day, bro....

I do not want to see the Fountain for a while. I had a nightmare about that place Sunday night. It was very scary. NO MORE LOST DISCS! :D

That place is lay-up city, Althought It was easier this year...

Millz why wont you bet gwillim at the memorial?



He's already LOST a bunch of money on side bets this year........ /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
He doesnt want to start off '07 in the HOLE :eek:



I havent been on in a while!!! How about 5 5 5 and 5................5 For each seperate round and 5 for total???


I was thinking something more creative. How about something like this:

We count total score only, whoever loses has to give the other one the disc they used as their primary putter and they have to write, "I got beat at the 2007 Memorial by ____." And then sign it and hand it over!

Shouldn't be a big loss for you if I win 'cause your sponsored by Dcraft and whatnot! What do you think?



Ill have to think about that!!! I just got my putter nice and beat in the way I like it........Id be willing to bet like ten total and the loser has to buy a 2007 Memorial Supercolor disc and write the same thing on it???

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<h1>You're Next, Millz!</h1></center>

Now that is priceless


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</center>

nice.

I'm looking forward to when the "scalp post" causes you to sprain your scroll finger in order to read it. Who's the next target @ EIEIO?

I'm looking forward to when the "scalp post" causes you to sprain your scroll finger in order to read it. Who's the next target @ EIEIO?


I'm going for CENT @ EIEIO!
Haven't entered negotiations with him yet, but we've talked about it in the past so I think he'll be down for it. I want his Photon Challenger!

It's confirmed...
<center>
<font size="+2">Ryan "Naci�n" Gwillim</font> Vs. <font size="+2">Dave "Cent" Vincent</font>
Emerald Isle Open
Saturday, March 17th, 2007
Oceanside, California
</center>
Loser signs over putter!

Word.

Has anyone seen the sweet DVD that was in the Am players packs?

way too much complaining here. I thought it was windy the whole time except for milder conditions on friday.

Wind was everywhere. It was also swirly meaning it was hard to get a read on it sometimes. One hole would be windy and then it would be gone for a hole and so on.



None of you guys have seen WIND GOLF come try out OKLAHOMA, KANSAS, TEXAS ;)

and we middle America folks know that when you guys say 30-60 mph winds it really means 10-15mph ;)

I have seen it, but haven't watched it yet. Planning to watch it tonight with my son (who couldn't attend this year because of school). Hope it will be incentive to get his grades up!

It's confirmed...
<center>
<font size="+2">Ryan "Naci�n" Gwillim</font> Vs. <font size="+2">Dave "Cent" Vincent</font>
Emerald Isle Open
Saturday, March 17th, 2007
Oceanside, California
</center>
Loser signs over putter!



OK guys - I want to see some of the action, so it's incumbent upon you two to make it to the Final 7 so I can watch.

None of you guys have seen WIND GOLF come try out OKLAHOMA, KANSAS, TEXAS ;)

and we middle America folks know that when you guys say 30-60 mph winds it really means 10-15mph ;)



Add Nebraska to that list. As a "Middle America" guy, I would say that there were 15-25mph winds with gusts of 30-35.

[email protected], Is my Bald head peelin'!!

Always nice to get that first tan of the year in the P H X :D

Happy B'Day Tank

I need everyone's assistance please. I left my favorite putter at Scottsdale last week. It is a Discraft Phantom, dirty yellow in color. Has my last name "Morris" and my old phone number (209)832-4xxx listed on the bottom.

If anyone picked this up, please contact me asap. Reward for person who brings me back my "Phantom".

The Spinners shop has my contact info.

Thank you in advance,

Les Morris
#31552
AZDGC member
Mesa, AZ.
:cool:

I gotta give Gwillim credit on this putter bet thing. It is way better than betting a dollar. :)

I lost about 5 star wraiths in the water last week. If any wraiths are found with "Deano" on them,please return them to davey jones locker or give them to a good home. As my bag is not worthy of them anymore.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.



Haha we got a joker here... i'll crush you on the course, than i'll steal you're girl if she's hot enough.

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.





Haha we got a joker here... i'll crush you on the course, than i'll steal you're girl if she's hot enough.



Put your money where your mouth is. I didnt think you Nor Cal guys liked girls.

If he crushes anything on the course, He'd better pray it's not windy.

i heard the more you complain about the wind, the calmer it gets. so if you complain every moment you type on this board, the wind might just stop for you!
thats just what i heard

nice string of burns. the impure needs a comeback- just hope he doesn't have to send it out of state. :D

He's selling his soul for one...

How about 925 comebacks..in the wind!

$$$$ :D

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.



Get your SPEW in now because your gone in a week or so...right? :p
:o

The impure needs no comeback.

ignore em.

Hey, glad you liked the dvd (Memorial dvd that was in the AM player packages and played at Flicka's on big tv). Footage from Disc Golf TV and I had the pleasure of putting it together.
Do you think that these short dvds are something that more disc golfers would like to see in the future?

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.



Haha we got a joker here... i'll crush you on the course, than i'll steal you're if she's hot enough.



:D That's alright Greg , I seen you playing and you did really well considering those windy conditions. Your Evil Growl sound on the Microphone at the Awards was sick !!!!! :cool:
For those who don't know or have the least bit of sense or are in fact totally clueless about the specific existing conditions at the time of play aren't worth your time. Did you happen to see those chick's serving drinks at Flicka's Bar &amp; Grill on Saturday Night !!!!! :eek: :cool:

Donny Olow

Hey, glad you liked the dvd (Memorial dvd that was in the AM player packages and played at Flicka's on big tv). Footage from Disc Golf TV and I had the pleasure of putting it together.
Do you think that these short dvds are something that more disc golfers would like to see in the future?



YES!

Haha we got a joker here... i'll crush you on the course, than i'll steal you're girl if she's hot enough.



Ha ha, I don't know you Gregg, but now I like you!

nice string of burns. the impure needs a comeback- just hope he doesn't have to send it out of state. :D

I see that all these burns took place in the daytime....when I was AT THE PRACTICE FEILD THINKING OF HOW LAME IT WOULD BE TO SIT BEHIND A COMPUTER TYPING...

OHHHH HATE.....

Get a haircut, kid. I saw you in the DGTV coverage. :D

Playing with disc golfers like him are worse than the ratings and since he doesn't mind, he's a whiner. I hear the big mainstream sponsors are starting to emerge. Starting with the Tampax Open.



Haha we got a joker here... i'll crush you on the course, than i'll steal you're if she's hot enough.



:D That's alright Greg , I seen you playing and you did really well considering those windy conditions. Your Evil Growl sound on the Microphone at the Awards was sick !!!!! :cool:
For those who don't know or have the least bit of sense or are in fact totally clueless about the specific existing conditions at the time of play aren't worth your time. Did you happen to see those chick's serving drinks at Flicka's Bar & Grill on Saturday Night !!!!! :eek: :cool:

Donny Olow

yA i talked tp a couple, all stuck up as **** I'm glad u watched the lead card, that means you saw all the bad breaks... YES. I can't wait for st. patties u goin?

barsbanov

nice string of burns. the impure needs a comeback- just hope he doesn't have to send it out of state. :D

I see that all these burns took place in the daytime....when I was AT THE PRACTICE FEILD THINKING OF HOW LAME IT WOULD BE TO SIT BEHIND A COMPUTER TYPING...

OHHHH HATE.....



It's called a job.

nice string of burns. the impure needs a comeback- just hope he doesn't have to send it out of state. :D

I see that all these burns took place in the daytime....when I was AT THE PRACTICE FEILD THINKING OF HOW LAME IT WOULD BE TO SIT BEHIND A COMPUTER TYPING...

OHHHH HATE.....



It's called a job.



working hard on those message boards? :D

Get a haircut.... :D



:p ... and you can talk??
;) :D

:D :D :D :D

80 Photos of whole weekend can be found at:

http://public.fotki.com/JaySvitko/disc_golf_pix/2007-discraft-memorial/

Because of my Marshalling duties, and schedule transfering of courses on Sat., I did not get as many photos as I usually do.

Photo of note:

http://public.fotki.com/JaySvitko/disc_golf_pix/2007-discraft-memorial/5471stevebrinsterro.html

This is Steve Brinster on hole #3 at Vista. One of the branches was down (broken) and his 2nd shot went into the brush. His 3rd shot roller with no runup, gets him within 30 ft.

Play the set as a slideshow. It's much better.

What's the blue paint line under the tree for? (in the pic of Brinster)

I think it was the missed mando line...

The Pros and Ams played a different layout at Vista. Steve was playing to a long basket, the blue line was the 10 meter circle for a short pin placement that the Ams played.

Gentry is looking into doing ratings by groups of divisions by testing what the SSA would be for each division by itself and combining those that are close. Since he was there and did the groupings, he's in the best position to help. We'll see what he finds and proceed. If we can separate the field into groups having similar weather conditions for ratings, we'll do it.


Well, any conclusions yet? Also, are you doing the same thing for ams too?

We start working on the ratings update next week. He plans to check each Am & Pro division and group together where appropriate. Right now, we're getting the Worlds invite packets ready to go.

Question Chuck or anyone.

I played the Memorial and I missed my tee time but I took 7's on every hole, I did play the last two rounds now shouldnt I get points for everyone that quit and shouldnt my first round be 126 and not 999 since I played the rest of the tournament.

Players have to play at least the last hole of the first round or they have DNF'd for the event. There's no such thing anymore as a round with eighteen par+4s. It's a 999 at that point. No other rounds are counted for ratings even if played after a first round DNF. You'll have to ask Dave at the PDGA office to overturn that policy for you.

Get a haircut.... :D



:p ... and you can talk??
;) :D



Check it out !!!!!!!

I did get a haircut today and now I almost look like this !!!!!! :D

Donny i didn't know you were a singer!!!!!
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I told dave that the only reason I was playing the last two rounds was in case someone DNF'ed so I could get those points he never told be I wouldnt get them. If I would have known that I would have played the last hole.

Like I said, it's Dave's call. If Dave sends us your rounds with scores instead of 999, we'll rate them.

Dave's preliminary check by isolating division ratings calcs hasn't shown as much of a difference as some might think. It looks like the Masters might have had a different wind factor one or two days by one throw SSA. So, some division ratings will be calculated separately when we process them starting in a week. We are also looking at checking the Gentleman's Club ratings by division also.

Dave's preliminary check by isolating division ratings calcs hasn't shown as much of a difference as some might think. It looks like the Masters might have had a different wind factor one or two days by one throw SSA. So, some division ratings will be calculated separately when we process them starting in a week. We are also looking at checking the Gentleman's Club ratings by division also.



at the memorial the earlier starting(suckiest :D) masters definately had wind for the entire rounds whereas the better(non-sucking)masters only dealt with it for 1/3 of the round to no wind on sunday....

at the vegas event the wind was CONSISTENT throughout the day for the PRO divisions with almost no wind ever for the am divisions every morning...
vegas ratings for sure need to be adjusted...

the opinion from someone who spent the entire 6 days in vegas and memorial at the courses pretty much from earlier tee times to near the end of the day...

keith

The Wind Ratings need some Adjustments and should be required !!!!! I didn't stand a chance from the start . Fair ?

Like I said, it's Dave's call. If Dave sends us your rounds with scores instead of 999, we'll rate them.



That's terrible !!!! It was really windy for me , every round !!!!!

I didn't want to be Chicken and DNF !!!!!!! That would be really weak !!!!!! 999 is sad and doesn't count !!!!!!! :confused:

It was my worst tournament ever. The conditions during my round were Sh..y at best :mad: I didn't stand a chance to play well from the start.

How do you figure 1-2 stroke difference. It was more like 10-20 strokes difference. I guess you had to be actually on the course during that specific time.............................otherwise it's BullS... !!!!! :mad:

Make's me want to hate the PDGA Ratings people !!!! :mad:

They don't actually play when needed !!!!!!

How do I get a hold of this Dave guy !!!!!!!

I can be reached at 619-582-1697.

In the history of ratings we haven't had even 45-50 mph sustained or gusty winds affect ratings by more than 6-7 shots for a round on average. Some players handle it better than others.

In the history of ratings we haven't had even 45-50 mph sustained or gusty winds affect ratings by more than 6-7 shots for a round on average. Some players handle it better than others.



http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=1686

Here's a course that was affected by sustained 45 mph winds. Can you tell which year? :)

For the record this course was made 2-3 shots easier after Hurricane Rita redesigned it, so it would probably play right at 8-10 shots easier without the wind. (2004 was played in wet conditions.)

Thanks for the help. It supports the point that it takes pretty nasty wind conditions to significantly change the SSA even 8 points.

In the history of ratings we haven't had even 45-50 mph sustained or gusty winds affect ratings by more than 6-7 shots for a round on average. Some players handle it better than others.



http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=1686

Here's a course that was affected by sustained 45 mph winds. Can you tell which year? :)

For the record this course was made 2-3 shots easier after Hurricane Rita redesigned it, so it would probably play right at 8-10 shots easier without the wind. (2004 was played in wet conditions.)



C'mon Bender even was 1000 rated out at PI in the wind and it is easier than Moffitt now with the Rita redesign so in calm conditions -10 to -11 would be 1000 IMO.

In the history of ratings we haven't had even 45-50 mph sustained or gusty winds affect ratings by more than 6-7 shots for a round on average. Some players handle it better than others.



http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=1686

Here's a course that was affected by sustained 45 mph winds. Can you tell which year? :)

For the record this course was made 2-3 shots easier after Hurricane Rita redesigned it, so it would probably play right at 8-10 shots easier without the wind. (2004 was played in wet conditions.)



C'mon Bender even was 1000 rated out at PI in the wind and it is easier than Moffitt now with the Rita redesign so in calm conditions -10 to -11 would be 1000 IMO.



That is exactly what I'm saying. Throw out 2006's wind and 2004's rain and the SSA is about 45-46. Lose 2-3 more shots and you're at 43-44. (My 8-10 easier was in comparison to the wind-aided 2006 SSA.)

In the history of ratings we haven't had even 45-50 mph sustained or gusty winds affect ratings by more than 6-7 shots for a round on average. Some players handle it better than others.



True , some always play, no matter what the conditions , some DNF or quit during the tournament to preserve their ratings or choose less difficult tournaments to play in.

Some , honor does not exist in this sport.