More PDGA renewals were processed today so we have a new count for people that are up to date and ones that aren't for the event. 2 weeks ago we had around 112 and last week at this time about 70 were not current. Here is what I found after today:

PROS (32)
David Donnadieu 27395 925 Scottsdale AZ
Ben Vosper 24784 933 Tucson AZ
Bradd Brotz 17135 955 Mesa AZ
Mike Downes 13898 968 Flagstaff AZ
Chris Kirby 17683 979 Flagstaff AZ
David Dollar 9434 985 Chandler AZ
Zach Walker 21127 988 Phoenix AZ
Rory Self 10138 992 Gilbert AZ
Jeff Burns 3599 1001 Fountain Hills AZ
Robbie Wilson 2021 965 Pinon Hills CA
Kent La Gree 19730 966 San Diego CA
Julian Valdez 18802 971 Sacramento CA
Ari Agnasan 17502 973 Huntington Bch CA
Bamba Rico 4667 992 Sylmar CA
Harold Hampton 5936 995 North Highlands CA
Peter Sontag 3389 995 Castro Valley CA
Carlo Pelg 16824 997 San Diego CA
Phillip Brathwaite 26416 999 Tujunga CA
Chris Lane 26786 1000 Fresno CA
Steve Rico 4666 1032 Sylmar CA
Zak Martin 21909 989 Denver CO
Mike Randolph 6138 1013 Denver CO
Cale Leiviska 24341 1017 St. Paul MN
George Smith 4034 1008 Columbia MO
Ken Franks 25447 990 Omaha NE
Sheila Kirkham 7646 899 Albuquerque NM
Sharon Jenkins 5408 839 Hinckley OH
Valarie Jenkins 17495 952 Hinckley OH
Leroy Jenkins 5085 966 Hinckley OH
Chris Sprague 16425 1011 Springfield OR
Robert Ryan 30296 939 Portland OR
Avery Jenkins 7495 1030 Springfield OR

AMS (11)
Keith Nielsen 12997 894 Gilbert AZ
Mike Blair 17694 936 Peoria AZ
Bruce Erickson 27516 939 Mesa AZ
Christina Brow 27792 827 San Diego CA
Ben Boylan Jr 20552 906 Folsom CA
Greg Erickson 27517 923 Copper Mountain CO
Topher Toring 14713 868 Saint Michael MN
Brian Vymola 16337 885 Blaine MN
Danny Polk 27276 952 Santa Fe NM
Dud Schusterick 29063 869 Knoxville TN
Conner Loes 25423 910 Mountlake Terrace WA

Anyone else notice the foot fault by KC on the front page of the website? :D

Anyone else notice the foot fault by KC on the front page of the website? :D



Thats covered in another thread....... ;)

Its not a footfault..the tee is actually a "Circle" that isnt visible in that picture.

If you look at DGTV coverage you can better see the tee.. ;)

Late to the party. I just noticed and thought it was funny it being of the front page and all. Good to know someone is on point. :D

Whew! I made it!! Now I won't have to pull my sponsership! :p

The reason I said that is because I'm driving with Ray Johnson and he isn't in yet. Greg Barsby didn't get in yet either.



It looks like there has been another update....

:eek: Im in...So is your "ride", "Sug". It looks like "Satan Spawn" got in as well.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

See YA in AZ :cool:

The reason I said that is because I'm driving with Ray Johnson and he isn't in yet. Greg Barsby didn't get in yet either.



It looks like there has been another update....

Im in...So is your "ride", "Sug". It looks like "Satan Spawn" got in as well..





Yeah. Ray told me he was in last week.
Nice to see you got in Mikey.

:D

Well at the moment it is 2 degrees in Ohio, how much longer? :p

Well at the moment it is 2 degrees in Ohio, how much longer? :p



24 Days 16 hours and 27 Minutes till the 1st tee Time!!!

Is there anybody out there planning on hitting up the campground???

Metro Phoenix forecast
Mon

78 / 48 Tue

79 / 50 Wed

77 / 51 Thu

76 / 52 Fri

75 / 52 Sat

73 / 53 Sun

72 / 53 Temperatures continue to rise above average as high pressure dominates the Southwest. Highs in the Valley will range between 73-78 degrees under mostly sunny skies. Winds will be light today, out of the East 5-15 mph. Have a great Monday!

:D

You dog! :D

A few club members played a monthly on the Memorial layout in Scottsdale on Saturday. Simply great weather, 70-75 degrees.

I carded a 72.

See everyone at the Memorial.

LM

map yet?

What are the pin placements for the Fountain layout? A mix of A, B, and C? All C? All B?

If it's the same as last year, can someone post em so I can do some google earth strategizing?

map yet?

What are the pin placements for the Fountain layout? A mix of A, B, and C? All C? All B?

If it's the same as last year, can someone post em so I can do some google earth strategizing?



For the fountain ALL you need is a basket 5' from a lake...then throw shots at it from 200'

Master that and you'll be <font color="yellow">Golden </font> /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Rumour has it that two out of three bobbleheads will be there!

Is there any OB on these courses?

If by OB you mean large quantities of hydrogen and oxygen atoms fused together to form a viscous liquid, then yes.

I think scores at Scottsdale will be low this year. Danny has widened the OB, and Vista lost alot of trees last year. The course is a par 64, and I'd guess that we are going to see some scores in the upper 40s if no wind.


And to address the bathroom problem, at least at Vista, Saturday I played with the flu and found all 3 bathrooms, repeatedly! :eek:

If by OB you mean large quantities of hydrogen and oxygen atoms fused together to form a viscous liquid, then yes.



Well, I guess I won't play. I only have one disc.

Don't worry about it.. 175 Ultrastars float

I am wondering if there will be another release of spots for this tourney, especially on the AM side? I was looking at the entry #'s for last year and noticed that the entries are substantially less for the AM side (37). Did the field play that slow last year? Can we get just a few, maybe 10 players added to the AM field.

I think that if that happens I may just get in...... :cool:

We took less ams this year, because we have issues at Vista on sat. with a walk-a-thon for cancer going through the park while we are playing. On Sun. we have to be out of the park early because of a concert in the park. Anyone who played last year in advanced will tell you how tough it is to try to drive hole 10 with 500 people standing in the fairway.
You would think reserving the park a year out would fix that, but both cities scheduled something else during our tourney.
Gaff

We took less ams this year, because we have issues at Vista on sat. with a walk-a-thon for cancer going through the park while we are playing. On Sun. we have to be out of the park early because of a concert in the park. Anyone who played last year in advanced will tell you how tough it is to try to drive hole 10 with 500 people standing in the fairway.
You would think reserving the park a year out would fix that, but both cities scheduled something else during our tourney.
Gaff



Is the Sunday concert at the Fountain?

Dixie Chicks?

Yes, Fountain on Sunday.
This only affects the ams.
Gaff

Anyone who played last year in advanced will tell you how tough it is to try to drive hole 10 with 500 people standing in the fairway.


I don't know, I thought it made the hole more fun. Bombing huge hyzers over the heads of a couple hundred people staring in amazement probably helped to progress the sport!

We took less ams this year, because we have issues at Vista on sat. with a walk-a-thon for cancer going through the park while we are playing. On Sun. we have to be out of the park early because of a concert in the park. Anyone who played last year in advanced will tell you how tough it is to try to drive hole 10 with 500 people standing in the fairway.
You would think reserving the park a year out would fix that, but both cities scheduled something else during our tourney.
Gaff



I was out there last year and i was lucky enough to get an early tee time so that probably helped. I also had a great time so i am trying every angle i can think of to get in this year. :D

what about the post of tee times? soon?

tee times are usually posted about a week before.

I think scores at Scottsdale will be low this year. Danny has widened the OB, and Vista lost alot of trees last year. The course is a par 64, and I'd guess that we are going to see some scores in the upper 40s if no wind.


And to address the bathroom problem, at least at Vista, Saturday I played with the flu and found all 3 bathrooms, repeatedly! :eek:



Yo Russell

What are the changes to 3,4 & 5...Which holes had the OB "widened" /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Cant wait......... :cool:

Looks like I will be playing the Fountain blind. I think I rather like it that way...

I thought you were coming in early enough to practice?

yeah, I may get out there to practice, but if I don't, my first rounds on new courses during tournaments are usually pretty hot. Since we are playing Vista twice, though, I figure that may be my practice course.... we'll see. Time may not be as much of a commodity as I thought.

Looks like I will be playing the Fountain blind. I think I rather like it that way...



you can see every basket from the tees....
you can see all the water from the tees...
stay out of the water and in the baskets and you'll score well :D

exactly.

I'll be in wednesday night around 8ish and be @ Dukes around 9. Looking forward to puttin on hole 5-6 in the dark with a cold Fat Tire in my hand.

Matt, When are you gettin in?

I got in last year same time wednesday night and had plenty of time to play both courses on thursday with lots of messin' around and extra shots.

Any idea when Tee-Times will be posted?

Memorial staff, you guys are doing an incredible job. Keep up the good work.

my plane arrives at 11:15am. Then I am getting a shuttle over to the Vista Course.

PM me your phone # and I will get up with you when I arrive. I may be heading to Fountain with Leyva if the timing works out. I also have some other people I need to catch up with during the weekend. Gonna be a busy week fo sho.

I will most likely leave for the fountain around 1:00pm

I think scores at Scottsdale will be low this year. Danny has widened the OB, and Vista lost alot of trees last year. The course is a par 64, and I'd guess that we are going to see some scores in the upper 40s if no wind.


And to address the bathroom problem, at least at Vista, Saturday I played with the flu and found all 3 bathrooms, repeatedly! :eek:



Yo Russell

What are the changes to 3,4 & 5...Which holes had the OB "widened" /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Cant wait......... :cool:



Magilla,
Hole 3 will play from orig. course hole 4 to hole 6. 1000'or so par 5, ob same as last year. Hole 4 will be orig. course hole 8 which is the short hole (200'?)orig. next to the old host hotel that throws from the sidewalk down to the drainage ditch with close ob behind and to the side. Hole 5 is orig. course hole 9 about 390' tight fairway ob left and right.

I guess I should have said "some of the holes" are widened. The only widened holes are hole 8 next to dukes bar, par 4, ob on left wider on 1st shot, narrows by hole. Hole 10 same thing, wider 1st shot landing. Hole 11 no drawn ob line on left this time, just sidewalk that comes into play on 2nd or 3rd shots. I think that these combined with the loss of many trees will make for some smokin rounds, unless of course that fun, big arm removin wind comes up and levels the playin field for all :)

Will the Ams be playing the same version of the Vista course as the Pros? Sorry if this was already asked.

It only seems fitting there would be a Vista and a Vista Professional... :D

and Vista Premium, and Basic, and Server, and Server Professional, and Laptop, and Viking, and Bagel, and Obama editions too.

The am layout at vista will be slightly different because of the walkathon. 3 of the holes are pretty dangerous because of their proximity to the sidewalk. We normally have barricades up to discourage pedestrians at the north east corner of the park.

Gaff

The reason I ask is that in 2005 the Ams played Vista -- but only 18 holes and many of them were significantly shorter than the ones the pros played and had less OB. I don't know how it was last year.

For those of you in the frozen tundra of the rest of the country, here is a taste of a few holes at Vista in the Memorial
setup

http://public.fotki.com/JaySvitko/disc_golf_pix/2007-discraft-memorial/

and especially for those dreaming of drinking beers & watching golfers on hole 8 from Duke's patio....

http://public.fotki.com/JaySvitko/disc_golf_pix/2007-discraft-memorial/hole8alongdukespatio.html

Those are sweet photos! I cannot wait to play this course. How long is hole number 13?

and Vista Premium, and Basic, and Server, and Server Professional, and Laptop, and Viking, and Bagel, and Obama editions too.

You forgot Vista Media Center!

and Vista Premium, and Basic, and Server, and Server Professional, and Laptop, and Viking, and Bagel, and Obama editions too.

You forgot Vista Media Center!



And Vista Cruiser! (http://geeksmithology.com/img/1968_vista_cruiser.jpg)

111 open players, sweeeeeet

111 open players, sweeeeeet



Nice....the way it should be. i cant wait!!!

111 open players, sweeeeeet



Nice....the way it should be. i cant wait!!!



if they would only let more players in :(

maps soon?

maps, son?

Yesterday the weekly upload went through the PDGA so here is the latest list of non-current PDGA members. Last week there were 43 not current with 32 Pros and 11 Ams. The Jenkins family renewed and that was 4 of the 5 pros for this week. 5 Ams renewed bringing their count to 6.

PROS (27)
Ben Vosper 24784
Bradd Brotz 17135
David Dollar 9434
Mike Downes 13898
Chris Kirby 17683
Jeff Burns 3599
David Donnadieu 27395
Bobby Giago 5896
Steve Rico 4666
Reese Swinea 12371
Greg Barsby 15857
Phillip Brathwaite 26416
Chris Lane 26786
Trey McKelvey 26417
Carlo Pelg 16824
Bamba Rico 4667
Julian Valdez 18802
Harold Hampton 5936
Kent La Gree 19730
Peter Sontag 3389
Robbie Wilson 2021
Anni Kreml 7879
Ernie Valdez 6998
Zak Martin 21909
Ken Franks 25447
Robert Ryan 30296
Chris Sprague 16425

AMS (6)
Keith Nielsen 12997
Bruce Erickson 27516
Christina Brow 27792
Ben Boylan Jr 20552
Greg Erickson 27517
Danny Polk 27276

GoTTs my PDGA dues sent in on saturday. I will no longer be on the "Bad Guy" lisTT

Maps?

Maps?


<font color="blue">Fountain Hills Course shown below </font>
http://www.takeflighttoday.com/images/fountainMap1.jpg

maps?

You misunderstand the meaning of this word...Maps are what are emitted when someone PRRRRnnnnnnts....

Happy Birfday Tank

My birthday is next friday....YEAHHHHHER

Happy Birfday Tank



It's not my b-day, I used the PDGA cake as my avatar and after getting all the IM's wishing me Happy-b-day, I quickly changed it. My 31st b-day is 3 days after the Memorial, March 7th.

Sorry for the premature candle wishing...

Save ur post for 3 weeks :o)

My birthday is next friday....YEAHHHHHER



If you mean the 23rd then we have the same birthday!!!

I think this will be the 1st time in my life I have been playing a tournament on the day of my birthday!!!

Hopefully I get some birthday luck

See you guys soon!!!

Thanks for the Fountain map,any Vista map layout?

Getting closer!!!!

Deano... :cool:

Here (http://flagstaffdiscgolf.org/07memorial/maps) is a link to the maps for the Memorial. These should be a little more readable. We should be adding the caddies book soon.
Barley is adding distance to the vista map now.
Sorry about the last map, I was trying to get it out fast. Thank you terry for putting it up though.

Gaff

thank you for the maps!

Thanks, man! Appreciate it!

Thanks Gaff and Terry!

Maps are fine.

Anyone remember where that warm up area was? A soccer field close to Fountain?

Deano... :cool:

great discgolfers are born on feb. 23...thats what i hear!!!

Wow, these courses look sweet. Up till now, Milo has been the best course I have ever played, but these look like something else! Cannot wait for this tournament! Plane leaves in two weeks from tonight.

Questions about Hole 3 at Vista. Is there still that Mando tree on the left side? I didn't see it on the map. Or is that a tree that got lost since last year? Also...is Hole 7 longer or in the same pin placement?

Fountain looks the same. Thanks for the maps!!! I can't wait. Two weeks from today I get to practice on the courses and play in shorts!

-Max

No mando on 3, 7 is not longer,map just looks like it.
Gaff

No mando on 3, 7 is not longer,map just looks like it.
Gaff



Thats awesome there is no mando on hole 3!! There will be some crazy long rollers there now. I think that is a good move. There has been a few issues with kids getting hit in the dayschool or whatever it is on the right. I think (hopefully) it might relieve some of the backups we have experienced there before.

Is the grass dead like normal for this time of year? Thanks! I cant wait to get there!!

Is the grass dead like normal for this time of year? Thanks! I cant wait to get there!!

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YES! :D

Wow, these courses look sweet. Up till now, XXXX has been the best course I have ever played, but these look like something else! Cannot wait for this tournament! Plane leaves in two weeks from tonight.



Dion we talked about using that course name on the public forums outside Oregon, we just don't do it! Remember

Wow, these courses look sweet. Up till now, XXXX has been the best course I have ever played, but these look like something else! Cannot wait for this tournament! Plane leaves in two weeks from tonight.


Dion,
I don't think you're going to find these courses better than XXXX, although the Memorial courses are fantastic.

2 things the maps do not show are; on the Fountain Hills map there is a parking lot between holes 4 and 5, and on the Vista course maps, for those who don't know, there are sidewalks that run down each sides of the lake. All sidewalks are OB on or beyond for all pro divisions. Danny said today that he is still considering whether or not to have sidewalks OB for AMs as well. I hope he does so we don't have to hear the whinning. But then again I'll lose my excuse when an Am posts a better score than me. :(

Thanks for the maps guys...

2 things the maps do not show are; on the Fountain Hills map there is a parking lot between holes 4 and 5, and on the Vista course maps, for those who don't know, there are sidewalks that run down each sides of the lake. All sidewalks are OB on or beyond for all pro divisions. Danny said today that he is still considering whether or not to have sidewalks OB for AMs as well. I hope he does so we don't have to hear the whinning. But then again I'll lose my excuse when an Am posts a better score than me. :(



Who know's !!!! We might be in the same group !!!!! :eek: :D

tee times are usually posted about a week before.



Technically....since today is Monday and the tourney starts on Friday NEXT week...

It is now a "Week before" :D

Im there in 9 days :cool:

I am ready for some WARM weather and some cold fat tire!
:cool:

I am ready for some WARM weather and some cold fat tire!
:cool:



DITTO

Warm weather will be here this week. Looking for some actual time to play disc golf AND warm weather NEXT week.

I am ready for some WARM weather and some cold fat tire!
:cool:



Thursday 3/1 Get
Sunny
High 72 � F / RF 74 � F , RF Shade 69 � F . Low 50 � F / RF 48 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Friday 3/2
Sunny
High 78 � F / RF 80 � F , RF Shade 74 � F . Low 52 � F / RF 50 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Saturday 3/3
Brilliant sunshine
High 79 � F / RF 81 � F , RF Shade 76 � F . Low 48 � F / RF 49 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Sunday 3/4
Abundant sunshine
High 77 � F / RF 79 � F , RF Shade 74 � F . Low 48 � F / RF 49 � F . Max. UV 6 .

:cool::cool:

Thursday 3/1
Fat tire temp 39 � F

Friday 3/2
Fat tire temp 38 � F

Saturday 3/3
Fat tire temp 37 � F

Sunday 3/4
Fat tire temp frothy 36 � F :cool:

I just want the warm weather, the Fat Tire is all bonus!

BTW Deanno, I got it!

We don't get the "Fat Tire" in Bama. Closest is Arkansas.


If you mean the ATL fee Craig,cool....

Ya Man. I look forward to sippin a cold one with ya!

Cold Fatties will be enjoyed by all~

Hopefully they will have the new Springboard, tasty...

Tee-Times were not posted until February 22nd last year when the event was on March 3-5. That's about 9 days before. Since the Memorial starts on the 2nd this year, I predict a Tee-Time posting of February 21st (also known as this Wednesday) at approximately 11:15 MST.

So you all know, I have nothing to do with the running of the Memorial so what I predict is not likely to be reliable or useful. :p

Can't wait to play in shorts!

-MADMAX

I JUST noticed that the AM field was reduced by a few players.

Last i knew I was 3rd on the wait list and I am coming to phoenix NO MATTER WHAT......please please please get me in

I think I have a hole sponsorship in my luggage ;) ;) ;)

Donny you know I would love to play with you. My group is already set, so you will have to play really bad to be in my group for the 2nd round. Why I say bad is because my shoulder is even worse than it was at team.

Correction on the ams playing the same course @ Vista as the pros; Ams still may play sidewalks ob, but they will definately play some shorter tees, so now my excuse is still good.

As for the weather; Saturday @ Vista was windy, about 20 mph, with 30mph gusts, temp around 70. Sunday @ the Fountain was great, around 70, no wind, lots of fountain watchers. It looks like the grass is being let to grow, because it was getting a little thick. It will be great if they mow about wed. of next week. Yesterday it rained ALL day, temps around 60. They are calling for rain again this weekend. I have not seen any long range reports, so I hope Magilla is correct.

...My group is already set.....
<font color="red">Shed some light for us ... :D </font>

As for the weather..... I have not seen any long range reports, so I hope Magilla is correct.
<font color="red">Gotta love the NOAA.....It also helps to have family that work in NASA weather ;) </font>
:D

Thanks Russ,

It looks like the weather in Phoenix has been about the same , more or less , like San Diego's weather a few days earlier.

Hey Russ ,

Have you seen a doctor yet ? I'll bring some pain pills with me if that might help some !!!! :eek: :D

I'm surprised that your even able to play !!!!! Hopefully it is not a Rotator Cuff Issue ?

Shed some light for us ...

When the TD requests to play with you, it's hard to refuse....Sponsership does have it's benefits, (if you call golfing with someone you golf with ALL THE TIME a benefit) :) I think I make him laugh or something...

Donny,
Thanks for your concern.
Actully it's a pinched nerve, and they can't figure out where. It is causing my right shoulder blade to (as the doctor calls it) "wing out".
The medical term is winging scapula(check google). It's caused by pinching the long thorasic nerve. It kills the charge to the muscle that moves the scapula. Now I'm just dragging it with all my other shoulder muscles. You should see it. When I put my arm straight out, you could stick your hand behind my shoulder blade. Looks more painful than it is, but I will take all the free pain medication I can get :D. Basically I can't putt from more than 20', and my drive is limited to about 350'. I can play, but can't lift my arm above my shoulder easily. The doc says about a year to recover if it even will. If not then maybe surgery.

Shed some light for us ...

When the TD requests to play with you, it's hard to refuse....Sponsership does have it's benefits, (if you call golfing with someone you golf with ALL THE TIME a benefit) :) I think I make him laugh or something...




I want in.... :D :D :D

:D

You'll have to beat up Cup and Dr. Rick. Yes Voakes is playing masters. I'd love to be in your group, and Donnys group, and Jim Meyers group, and Deanos group, and Rorys group, oh forget it there's way to many that I want to golf with.....maybe 2nd round....I'm still wondering what kind of tee time the TD gives himself.

Russell "wing man" Shelton

I'm still wondering what kind of tee time the TD gives himself.



I hope a good one, Hell, he's doing all the work.

1 more week and I'm there!

Anybody else look @ the site everyday anticipating tee-times? or is it just me that checks 4-5x's a day?

:cool:

Yeah, I'm Obsessive-Compulsive too... :o

Ha! So does everyone! Hopefully by today or tomorrow.

Likely it will be on Friday.

Russell "wing man" Shelton



That will work. I think "chicken wing" might be taken :D

You'll have to beat up Cup and Dr. Rick.



Thats all!!... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Terry! Get on that will ya.. :o
:D

I'm still wondering what kind of tee time the TD gives himself.



I hope a good one, Hell, he's doing all the work.




he's not doing all the work. In fact he's doing less this year than any other. That's because he's got alot of volunteers this time. HOORAY BEER..um I mean... VOLUNTEERS!! And of course there's Sue, his wife, who always puts in the most time. The hard part for Danny is that dang cell phone. It never stops ringing.

T minus 7 days to the first tee times! Give or take an hour.

good luck lone NCer

*sniff* thanks! At least I'll have a Frizzak honorary NC boy there too.

TanK teeing @ 9:30am

12:34 for me........ :D :D :D

HH...sweet group.. :D

Right behind ya tank.

The Tank-Buster!

Squirrely and early.

Glad, cause now I can take photos of the later groups, like Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, Jenkins, et al.

Where are they posted at?

Where are they posted at?


Nevermind...duh!

5 days and Dukes will be filled with the Disc Golf nation

glad to see you got into the tournament. Happy birfday.

Thanks bro..... I can now try to relax for my last round tomorrow here in vegas.

All i need to do is birdie all 20 holes and I'm in the payout :eek:

Wow,they are letting us old guys tee late. I don't tee until 1:54pm!
More Fat Tire and more sleep!

:D

in case anyone has website search fears, the tee times are listed here:
Pro's
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6263
Am's
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6295

and yes, i need to have a few fat tire ale's myself!!!!

see everyone at the Fountain & S'dale links

Les "disckgolf" Morris

The Memorial presented by Discraft caddie books (http://flagstaffdiscgolf.org/07memorial/maps) are in!
Thank you Barley for all you hours of hard work!
Check them out they look great!
Gaff

Those are so amazing! Thank you for making them available early!

I am ready for some WARM weather and some cold fat tire!
:cool:



Thursday 3/1 Get
Sunny
High 72 � F / RF 74 � F , RF Shade 69 � F . Low 50 � F / RF 48 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Friday 3/2
Sunny
High 78 � F / RF 80 � F , RF Shade 74 � F . Low 52 � F / RF 50 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Saturday 3/3
Brilliant sunshine
High 79 � F / RF 81 � F , RF Shade 76 � F . Low 48 � F / RF 49 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Sunday 3/4
Abundant sunshine
High 77 � F / RF 79 � F , RF Shade 74 � F . Low 48 � F / RF 49 � F . Max. UV 6 .

:cool::cool:



Thursday 3/1 Cool in the morning; otherwise, mostly sunny
High 63 � F / RF 66 � F , RF Shade 57 � F . Low 39 � F / RF 41 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Friday 3/2 Mostly sunny
High 67 � F / RF 70 � F , RF Shade 62 � F . Low 44 � F / RF 44 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Saturday 3/3 Pleasant with plenty of sunshine
High 74 � F / RF 75 � F , RF Shade 71 � F . Low 50 � F / RF 49 � F . Max. UV 6 .

Sunday 3/4 Several hours of sun
High 78 � F / RF 77 � F , RF Shade 73 � F . Low 48 � F / RF 45 � F . Max. UV 6 .


Not quite as warm.........BUT still very nice :D

I've heard about a round of doubles on Thursday (Pro/Am), but do not see any information about it on the website. As an Am, I would really like to see how the Pro's conquer this course.
Does anyone have any information about the Thursday doubles? :confused:

Good Luck to all the Texas players!!

Bring it home

I've heard about a round of doubles on Thursday (Pro/Am), but do not see any information about it on the website. As an Am, I would really like to see how the Pro's conquer this course.
Does anyone have any information about the Thursday doubles? :confused:



From last year, it was $5 randon draw at like 4pm. No Pros typically play the doubles....95% Ams and its fills up early, so see Dan-O when you get there and sign up...

Yes some pros play and see johnny carroll or floyd not dano as he will not be running doubles most likely. Signup is usually on the dukes patio on the course side of the bar.

Dukes Bar and Grill discounts?

go to restaurant.com and search in Scottsdale for Dukes. They have $10 coupons for $3. Put in code "DINE" in the cart window (after adding them to your cart) and you get each $10 coupon for $1.20. That's a good deal.

buy me a beer for the tip... I may have to stop at 3, not 300!

I just bought 30 bux worth for $3.60.

Good find, Matchew

Yes some pros play and see johnny carroll or floyd not dano as he will not be running doubles most likely. Signup is usually on the dukes patio on the course side of the bar.



Thanks for the help. And Thanks for the tip with the discount coupons... :D :D :D

Just in case some of you don't click on "Terms and Conditions" at restaurant.com, here are the key points regarding coupon usage...

� Limit one (1) redemption per party, per month, per restaurant.
� Limit one (1) dining certificate per redemption. Only one dining certificate can be used per party, even if the party is seated at separate tables and/or receives more than one check.
� Use of dining certificates for alcoholic beverages is at the sole discretion of the merchant. Merchant agrees to comply with all state laws pertaining to the same.
� Dining certificates cannot be combined with any other restaurant certificates, third party certificates, coupons, or promotions.
� Dining certificates cannot be used for taxes, tips or prior balances.
� No cash value for dining certificates.
� No cash back upon redemption or at any other time.
� Valid for parties of two (2) or more unless otherwise stated.
� Valid for dine in only unless otherwise stated.

Wow, I can't believe I'm so bored that I not only took the time to read the "Terms and Conditions", but went the extra mile to make all of you read it.

If nothing else, I'm now 10 minutes closer to leaving Vegas for the Memorial. I can't wait to leave the wind. It is still as windy today as it was for the GCC.

Outta here in 24 hrs!

in the air in 24!

on the ground in the six-0-two in 12.5 hours

Outta here in 24 hrs!



In the AIR in 6 1/2 hrs.... :D

Tear it up, and have fun. I will definitely be there next year.

Im out of here in approximately 1 hour!!!

I hope the winds stay here in Vegas. It hasnt let up since Sunday.

It is finally upon us!! :D

Tear it up Cary!

9 hours and counting....

9 hours and counting....



Hope to see you there Steve !!!! I'm on my way in a couple of hours !!!!

It has been windy,20-30mph last two days. Hopefully it will calm down by Friday. :cool:

Hey deano you got some good practice with that wind in athens last saturday, you should good to go :D
Good luck and bring it back to BAMA!

TK

Deaano, look me up today. I will be heading out to the Fountain this morning, maybe we can toss a few discs today adn a few Fat Tires tonight!

Good Luck team MN

can't wait to watch it on DGTV!

FYI
we'll be getting close to 2' of snow by Sat. so you got that to look forward too.

the best money line that actually has a chance to win would be Stevie Rico he would be 5-1 or Cale Leviska which would be around 5-1

Schultz 3-2
Climo Even
Nate 3-1
Feldberg 3-1
Avery 3-1
Rico 5-1
Cale 5-1
Sprague 8-1
Brinster 8-1
Micah 10-1
Sprout 10-1
Timmy Gil 10-1
Crabtree 10-1
Phil Aurthur 15-1
George 15-1
Sinclair 20-1
Ray Ray 20-1
Barsby 20-1
Yeti 20-1

THE FIELD 50-1

WHO IS TAKIN BETS???? I'm just the ODDS MAKER

2 feet of snow?? Ughhh.
Live vicariously here:
www.discgolftv.com (http://www.discgolftv.com)

Thanks that was nice.

If anyone is looking for a room at the host hotel (Hospitality Suite Resort) I just cancelled my reservation. If it gets taken, I won't have to pay the one night penalty! The phone number is 800-445-5115.

SCORES???

SCORES???

All I know is that I'm currently tied for the lead. ;)

SCORES???

All I know is that I'm currently tied for the lead. ;)



Keep it up. I have you on my fantasy team :cool:

Hopefully we'll see regular scoring updates tomorrow afternoon for something to do since the Twin Cities will be pretty much shut down due to the large snowfall.

Good luck to all my buds in AZ. I hate missing my old home town tourney. I am sure the suds are already flowing at Dukes and the chains are still resonating throughout the park. All I got to say is russafrussafrack'n see you all somewhere down the road at another tourney.... :cool:

Are there any scoring updates?

I don't think the first Pro group will be done yet. They've only been on the Vista course for a little over 3.5 hours and I think it might take 4.

I gots a prediction.....TG will be in the lead when he finishes his round.

will the results be posted right after the scores are recorded at tourney central?

I gots a prediction.....TG will be in the lead when he finishes his round.



If you give me 10-1 I'll take Don Smith by a stroke ;) :D

I got a dime on it ;)

That's only because TG might DNF so he can shoot some video instead of playing :)

will the results be posted right after the scores are recorded at tourney central?



Since the marshals are typically the ones who post the scores online, and they have other duties as well, they typically get 3-6 cards at once and upload them. At least that's what we did when I was working down there the last couple of years.

There are some Am Scores up now. Pro rounds last year were taking in the 3hr45min to 4hr15min range, IIRC. Seems like the pro women at least should be done by now, but perhaps the marshals are busy taking care of other things or there's computer issues.

Chap

He wouldn't DNF the first round would he? I would think TIMMY would want some Fountain action before he considers video work...Its so sad not being there :( **** shoulder

May depend on how many shots end up OB and/or in the drink before the round ends...

May depend on how many shots end up OB and/or in the drink before the round ends...

Sure he aint worried about plastic, they will make more.

Knoxville kid prodigy Will Schusterick with the early lead in advanced. w00t!

Looks like the par value needs to be adjusted to maybe 63 or so at Vista?

I think Par is 64 at Vista.

NOR CAL! Go Gregg! Go Bill! Go John Child! Go Scott Aaron! Go Anni! Not to mention STEVE GANZ!

I guess not all the scores are in. :)

Don't forget former champs Nate Doss and Jim Oates!! Way to shoot NorCal. Oates is playing really tough right now. I know!!!

Freshman in High School, Playin' for alittle over a year, ice in his vaines, and the best mentor in the state of Tennessee (KO), Little Will is Makin' KnoxVegas proud. This Kid is for Real, watch out!

Keep it going Robbie, nice 66 considering you arrived late and missed the first two holes and took a 7 & an 8. :eek:

how bout some scores? Lead card has been in for 30 minutes

How cool, to sit here in my livingroom, just watching the live scoring of the first group of the second round!
3000 miles away!!
Go Kenny, Go Dave, Go Avery, Go Nate, Go Valerie, Go Gregg, Go Joe and all the rest :)

Feldy, gots him a 2 stroke lead ova da CHAMP. Should be an interesting round tomorrow, wish I could watch the live scoring, tomorrow

keep it up Robbie Bratten

Big Man, Willie Schusterick showing his bagging ways, back-to-back 1000+, I got a feeling another one is on the way. Knoxville Baby!!!!!!!!!!! The new home of the Amateur Baggers. Bring it home Will.

ROBBIE, Was there a woman involved? Keep up the great shooting man we're pulling for you! That's smoking considering..

Cale keep up the great shooting, and get a laptop(haha) you probably wont see this for a few... Kick Jake in the #$*&$! and get him going. I'll Fed Ex up some Quail Eggs and Oysters from Nates ttha should get his blood flowing.

Hazle

C'mon Gregg, get your hair outta pigtails and start winning this thing!
Cale, lets see that 1070 you get in you tomorrow!

Oates in Master is leading Open by 2 averaging 1065 for two rounds!

Sandbagger

lol, the rating system is INCREDIBLY flawed, there were more and less wind for different parts of the day, yet they are still on the same rating scale, imo it will never be accurate until weather has a true system of being factored in...

lol, the rating system is INCREDIBLY flawed, there were more and less wind for different parts of the day, yet they are still on the same rating scale, imo it will never be accurate until weather has a true system of being factored in...



True that is another reason I hate the staggered start because the weather isn't the same for everyone but the ratings are.

Weather works perfectly well for shotgun starts. I would prefer not to rate stagger start rounds like the Memorial and USDGC for the weather reason. But I've been trumped by the higher goal to provide PDGA customer service for those players. Stagger start ratings would work better if we split the players into two or three separate groups each day to process ratings. But since players shift groups, courses and times each day, it's up to the TD to report the results that way, and none have.

lol, the rating system is INCREDIBLY flawed, there were more and less wind for different parts of the day, yet they are still on the same rating scale, imo it will never be accurate until weather has a true system of being factored in...




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I've looked through this thread for info on the live scoring...can someone help me find it?

I've looked through this thread for info on the live scoring...can someone help me find it?



http://www.pdgatour.com/results.php?Div=MPO

lol, the rating system is INCREDIBLY flawed, there were more and less wind for different parts of the day, yet they are still on the same rating scale, imo it will never be accurate until weather has a true system of being factored in...




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Thnx Jeff

Whats happenin to CALE.

look out here come's Doss

Whats happenin to CALE.



He crapped the bed. :(

I hate when that happens

Matt Peckham with a 57 final round for a 1062 at the moment! (Lefty course :D)

bang bang

Way to move up the boards! And way to have the best round of your life in the final round of an NT. Way to represent!

WTG Matt Peckerham!!! King lefty! :D

Second! :D

Congrats Feldberg!

Looks like the last groups are going to have to hustle to get done without cars in the parking lot lighting hole 18..

happy b- day chuck

Matt Peckham with a 57 final round for a 1062 at the moment! (Lefty course :D)



I looked through the MPO scores that were turned in and 95% of the players shot above thier rating. :confused:


Anyway that is a hoTT round. :D

I like the payout amount and structure for the ams.

NT, lots of 1000+ rated players...High ratings for all? Nah, never happens ;)

I looked throught the MPO scores that were turned in and 95% of the players shot above thier rating.



You know that's not possible so why keep bringing it up?

I looked throught the MPO scores that were turned in and 95% of the players shot above thier rating.



You know that's not possible so why keep bringing it up?



Not possible? Do you think I just made this up? Look at the tour page results and then tell me it "isn't possible".

Yeah, but all the FPO's shot well above their averages (except one shot 1.3 points below). They averaged 25 points above their ratings!! Only 4 rounds that were below their average.

Statistical anomaly, or not?

I looked throught the MPO scores that were turned in and 95% of the players shot above thier rating.



You know that's not possible so why keep bringing it up?



Not possible? Do you think I just made this up? Look at the tour page results and then tell me it "isn't possible".



Ok it was only 75-80% but the people who shot better than thier average shot about 30pts higher and the ones who shot below thier ratings were only like 15pts below thier rating.

Never happened

It can happen online for unofficial ratings but not in reality. ALWAYS almost exactly the same number of players will end up with ratings higher than their rating and half lower on any layout. It's not possible for it to happen any other way for official ratings. When you see oddities like you're talking about, it just means the course layouts haven't been done properly yet. There's not even a boost factor anymore which did actually produce a few more higher ratings than lower ratings during 2005. But that's gone.

OK, it happened in 2005, but never since! ;)

And it was only 55% or so then and by a few points.

Sad to see that certain people (even 1000+ rated golfers) clearly still do not understand how the ratings sytem works and perpetuate false information.

Sad to see that certain people (even 1000+ rated golfers) clearly still do not understand how the ratings sytem works and perpetuate false information.



I am just stating what the results show.

Sad to see that certain people (even 1000+ rated golfers) clearly still do not understand how the ratings sytem works and perpetuate false information.



Why would having a higher player rating indicate any better knowledge of the player rating system? If that was true, Chuck would be an 1100 rated golfer. :)

Chap

That will be my rating the last time I ever process them and retire... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Way to go Robbie Bratten!!

Way to go Guillermo Avalos!!

Congrats Robbie, HUGE comeback after that 8-stroke penalty! I'm guessing you'll probably pay a little more attention to which course your supposed to show up at from now on huh? :D

Congrats to All the players and Dave for winning the whole thing.
Too bad GB ....maybe you win this year a big one.
Oates played like he was playing with Lightning plastic,real old school! Congrats.

lol, the rating system is INCREDIBLY flawed, there were more and less wind for different parts of the day, yet they are still on the same rating scale, imo it will never be accurate until weather has a true system of being factored in...


It's up to the TD to note such things in the report. It is not a flaw in the ratings system if you feed it bad data. You know, GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

This was the best run Memorial I have ever been to. Congrats to Dan Ginnely, The AZ Disc Golf Club, Discraft, the PDGA, and Gaff for a job well done. And Keith M as always. :)

This event has been getting better and better the last couple of years and ran super smooth for the ams this year.

Thanks everybody! Please keep it going. I know it's usually only the whiners who speak up, but there were a whole lot of us who loved the way things went.

Great tourney!! I had a blast! Thank you to everyone who helped out in any way!!

The reason the ratings are screwy, is because the weather was inconsistent all weekend. It would either be calm in the morning and pick up throughout the day (Fri.) or be windy in the morning and calm down for the afternoon(Sat + today).

The weather doesn't mean the ratings calcs will be screwy, just that some players may get a few more or less points than they expected for their score. The good news is that everyone will get the same rating for the same score in a round.

yea packman good finish... congraTTs on the NT ca$h

YEAH peckMAN
Top 30!!

what happened to Levya??

what happened to Levya??


Craig developed a nasty blood blister during the weekend. By the time sunday came around, it wouldn't stop bleeding.

He couldn't grip a disc, couldn't putt, couldn't stop the bleeding

Tough break Leyviar, Nice comeback Peckman

Nice win Will! Wire to wire!

It was not a very fun time. I have never had to play with anything like that before, but I will retur next year for some revenge.

dang that suxs craig oh well glad it was nothing more serious to keep you out of playing longer.

Congrats Robbie, HUGE comeback after that 8-stroke penalty! I'm guessing you'll probably pay a little more attention to which course your supposed to show up at from now on huh? :D



wow!! wtg Robbie!!

This was my first Memorial, but I also had a great time! The courses were set up tough but fair and the wind made them even tougher. Sometimes it seemed as if the wind direction swirled around the lake and ponds so that you always had a headwind...

Kudos to the tournament staff for the schedule and starting tee juggling they did to fit the Saturday and Sunday rounds in, considering the other park uses. It was a bit strange for the Ams to start on hole #12 at Vista on Saturday and #9 at Fountain on Sunday, but those changes allowed us to avoid the Walk-a-thon folks Saturday and the concert goers (mostly) on Sunday. Way to go to maximize use of the facilities. Thanks for the great event.

Go Team Arrogant Bastard (http://www.arrogantbastard.com/index2.html)!!

Go Team Arrogant Bastard (http://www.arrogantbastard.com/index2.html)!!



Umm....Arrogant Bastard Ale.....you're not worthy. How do I get on that team? I already know that yellow, fizzy beer is for wussies.

Chap

The Wind was a big factor for some , while others were able to tee before or after the Wind.
Mother Nature just did not want me to have it easy for this tournament. Kinda tough to make those 30 footers with 30-60 mile per hour winds !!!!! :eek: :p
I had Big Winds blowing every single round I played. Just something I was forced to deal with. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:o
Had nothing to do with the Cool way the tournament was run , great Staff , Nice food and drink spot at Duke's Bar &amp; Grill , great store next door , Spinners on the Green to buy disc's , shirts , Bicycles etc... Overall , I had a great time and met a bunch of great players. Thanks to all the Sponsors , Staff , Dan-O , Zak , DiscGolf TV , Discraft and the spotters and those guys fishing disc's out of those Dirty water lakes !!!!!!

Looks like I'll be punished for my tee times ? :confused:

I did witness a Brawl before I tee'd off during the day. Some just don't get it when the course is closed to the general public for a Major event. No one was hurt badly.

I heard some didn't get their players packs and they ran out of other Discraft discs. I was one of them , but I was given a $ 12.00 discount on plastic they had there for sale.

That's about it for the Negative stuff , which was not really that bad. Some of the stuff from the Discraft factory was apparently lost by UPS , so that was not in the control of the tournament folks. Players were made aware of this inconvienence.

Fun Party spot at Flicka's Bar &amp; Grill on Saturday night. They served for all the players in attendance , Tri-tip , mashed potatoes , Carrots , Bow-tie pasta , Salad and Drinks !!!!! Very Cool !!!!!

Seen some OUTSTANDING Disc Golf the Pro's were puting on for the gallery's !!!!! WOW , can those guys crank some drives or what !!!!!!!

Sun was out all weekend and I got a great tan !!!!!!

So the punishment is the better or worse ratings, not the actual wind anymore? If you play well enough to be in the top groups, your experince will be equivalent. If not, then your experience will be equivalent to those who have been playing at your level. The only "unfairness" with stagger starts is the random first draw. if players wer ranked by ratings at the start, it would actually make it more fair from the standpoint of similar weather conditions for those playing at the same level. that's one reason shotgun starts are more fair.

So the punishment is the better or worse ratings, not the actual wind anymore? If you play well enough to be in the top groups, your experience will be equivalent to theirs while you're playing. If not at the top, then your experience will be equivalent to those who have been playing at your level. The only "unfairness" with stagger starts is the random first draw. If players were grouped by ratings at the start, it would actually make it more fair from the standpoint of similar weather conditions for those playing at the same level. That's one reason shotgun starts are a little more fair.

Thanks Chris and Schweb. I will be out about a month or so, and I may have to change my grip a lilltle. I think the dry desert air made it worse, alot of players were having similar issues.

The event was awesome! Dan Ginnely and his staff from the Arizona Disc Golf Club run a great event and a great party. I just wish it wasn't so windy!

"The only "unfairness" with stagger starts is the random first draw."

Not so true , it also depends on your division and the random player levels.

Not if Feldberg started 4 hours different from Climo and 2 hours different from Rico. If the weather varies widely, it could affect the outcome more than if they had been on the course in different groups in a shotgun format.

The weather doesn't mean the ratings calcs will be screwy, just that some players may get a few more or less points than they expected for their score. The good news is that everyone will get the same rating for the same score in a round.

15-25mph difference will make ratings screwy, Period.

Barsby, you've been one of the biggest whiners regarding ratings. Worry more about your game and overcoming challenges like the wind and it's apparent you've got the developing skills to become an elite player.

Even under the windiest conditions the ratings variance won't be more than about 4 shots BETWEEN shotgun rounds, and during stagger rounds like the Memorial it will average out over the 100 players to affect ratings no more than 15-20 points within a round. And those playing together and nearby groups are affected the same. So who plays better and worse in those groups is not impacted unfairly by the wind. I've already said I would be glad to eliminate doing ratings in stagger start rounds. If enough players complain, maybe the ratings committee and Board will stop them.

It's apparent that the wind didn't hurt the ratings of the top 30 players including you where all but 4 played above their rating. In fact, the wind actually helps the ratings of the top players who can typically handle wind better than lower rated players and increases their score differential/ratings even more than calm conditions. Maybe with more strength training those "weaker" players like Barry, Avery and Sinclair, who shot below their rating, will be able to throw farther and better in the wind... riiiight.

Yea, seriously! Why don't you focus more on wind play and winning the tournament you were leading after the first round than something trivial like a 23-round streak of 1000+ rated rounds.

Yeah, who would want the record called "The most sub-par rounds in a row" even if it is a good thing? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Chuck will the first round be caluated into my player rating since I didnt throw one shot and it is rated like 310?

Fountain conditions were wicked for the pros. 20-30 mph for all the Open players. It seemed like it let up a bit for the very end of the round for the lead cards, but it was probably only the last 2 holes that it was a noticeable decline. I think that's what he might be referring to.

Good shooting Barsby. Great finish.

That round should be entered as a 999 on the TD report. If it actually goes thru, I assume that's more than 100 points below your rating and would get dropped anyway? :D

Weather works perfectly well for shotgun starts. I would prefer not to rate stagger start rounds like the Memorial and USDGC for the weather reason. But I've been trumped by the higher goal to provide PDGA customer service for those players. Stagger start ratings would work better if we split the players into two or three separate groups each day to process ratings. But since players shift groups, courses and times each day, it's up to the TD to report the results that way, and none have.



Chuck...

Why cant the ratings be broken down by Division ??

OR at least split the field in 1/2 or 1/3.....
There are more than enough propagators....

Most Masters played in 15-25 wind on Sunday BUT Open played with practically NIL :mad:

Oates played like he was playing with Lightning plastic,real old school! Congrats.



NO Lightning plastic for Oates...He was FINALLY sponsored by Innova......and this was his "debut" event.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

The good news is that everyone will get the same rating for the same score in a round.



How is that GOOD news???

A 58 at the Fountain Sat Morn is equal to about a 52 in the afternoon with the way the weather changed....

Same with Vista on Sunday..........but switched....

The event itself was AWESOME...as always...I just wish I could keep my disc between the lines... :(