So do you mean that you won't be talking about 07 anymore, or was that just personal hopefullness in my interpretation? :D

oh and thanks to Steve Saad for hooking me up with a place to stay!

Great tourney. Nothing like playing in shorts and short sleeves in 75 degree clear sky weather in December with golf carts. 6th place in my first advanced tourney too. :cool:Now back to school work. :(

Also, big thanks to everyone involved in running it.

I want to thank everyone that helped this weekend.

All of the help was greatly appreciated. Everybody pitched in and helped with:

scorecards
leader board cards
bringing baskets in
bringing in tee signs
breaking the baskets down
loading them up in the Inno-van
carrying gear into and out of the building

I want to thank Mike, Stick, Pat, Matt, Paul, Zach, Jeremy, Henry and everyone else that pitched in.

Pulling this off was easy with everyone that helped.

I'm sorry if I missed anyone. I am a little bit tired.

Keep your eyes open. This one is going to be bigger and better next year. Pat and I are already making plans.

Kirk

How far is it from lets say...... hole one @ ceder hills to hole 3 @ buckhorn?

Kirk ?

Jeff,

Keep it up and I will give you an answer you won't like....lmao

Kirk

congrats Schweberger nice win... and good showing by MTL way to go..

Thanks C ware

Robert,
Didn't you get 2 courtesy violations in the 1st rnd. One for talking and one for throwing into the group in front of us? Your score still says 79??

There was only one courtesy violation noted on his scorecard.

Congrats to Schwebby for bangin a 22 footer left handed for the win - lol




That's the funniest thing i've read all weekend. Congrats to the both of you! MTL, were you stroked, or just warned?

It was a warning that was written up on the scorecard.

The only official warning I received was noted on the scorecard and that was for talking during someones throw.

This was noted on the scorecard.

As for throwing into the group in front of us, I apologized to them and they said "that I should know better than that" and I completely agreed with them and that statement - it was a stupid thing for me to do. However, I was not warned for this by them or anyone else.

I just wanted to clarify this before it gets out of hand.

I would like to publicly apologize to the group in front of me (which consisted of Andrew Dupree, Henry Childress, Tripp Cole and someone else I can not think of) for throwing into you guys on the hole and to Jeff Yahn for talking during his run up later in the round.

Robert,
Didn't you get 2 courtesy violations in the 1st rnd. One for talking



<font color="blue"> No, that warning didn't count.
According to ROBERT, "THEY don't matter , THEY are NOT real people" </font>

Andrew Mueller, not Dupreee.

Pro Entry Fee minus course fee's = $1360
Pro Payout = $2426

Am Entry Fee minus course fee's: $1200
Am Payout including player pack vouchers: $1001

To the Pro's...Your welcome.

oops, thanks for the correction!

Congrats on the win Schwebbie and Germ.

Vern,

Your math is wrong, please try again. It comes out exactly.

None of the Am entry fees went to the Pro field. However, there was no added cash to the Am field either.

Mike will post all of the information later today.

Kirk

Pro Entry Fee minus course fee's = $1360
Pro Payout = $2426

Am Entry Fee minus course fee's: $1200
Am Payout including player pack vouchers: $1001

To the Pro's...Your welcome.



Yep that's how it usually works - pros get all your money. We all make such a great living off the backs of unsuspecting ams.

I stand corrected:

Pro Entry Fee minus course fee's = $1360
Pro Payout = $2426

Am Entry Fee minus course fee's: $1200
Am Payout including player pack vouchers: $1111

Ant,

Try getting the facts straight before adding to the problem.

The dollars work out exactly. 100% of the Am entry fees went back to the Ams.

When are you people going to understand that arguing with me only means that you are wrong?

Kirk

Vern,

You forgot about PDGA fees. $3 per player x 33 = $99

Please get your facts straight before you make me angry. No one likes it when I am angry....lol

Kirk

PDGA fee's are a given.. Didn't think I needed to actually add that in. However I did admit my error on my original message.

Still had a great time, still dig the beach, still thank you for running the event, and still want to say "Your Welcome" to the Pro's... :)

Everyone who either sponsored the event flat out or bought a Tupelo Bay Destroyer deserves a word of thanks. With a short amount of time to prepare for this event, I was impressed with the amount of money raised above and beyond the entry fees.

I think it shows how much people want to play this event. how many who played last year came back to play this year? 80%? That's an amazing retention rate.

I am ready for Tupelo next year. I can't get enough of this course.

Oh yeah, I really liked all of the changes done to make the course a little more balanced/challenging/fun. All holes played really well. Someone, (I think Sjur) had a good idea about moving the basket location on 16 over to the right side of the green behind the sand trap in the woods. I thought that would be a good location.

I would be horribly remiss if I did not congratulate Ben Porter on his very strong fifth place finish in Advanced. Considering his mind was on his money and his money was on his mind he did quite well. :D Thinking about gin and juice were ya Ben? :D

Congrats to you Jerm. Killer showing. All I ask is that you don't give Greg Wells any instruction. He's strong enough as it is. Great tournament and big comeback Greg. Holler at me whenever you can and we'll show you some Brushy Mountain goat golf. Bring your bear bells, a whistle and bread crumbs. :)

Big time had by all as near as I could tell. I finished with the highest total number of strokes so I'm figuring I had the best time...... maybe. At least I got my money's worth. I used all parts of all of the baskets and every possible OB area (several of them multiple times, only one "green" OB though, my discs seemed to prefer backstroking in the water hazards). I even managed to use a couple of fairways, not necessarily those for the hole I was playing, but hey. And, for the record, I'll be back next year, probably with my long toothed friend, the Marquis de Sade.

Congrats also to John Porter on the ace and the one stroke victory over Kirk. :eek: Thanks so much John for allowing the likes of Ben, Charlie and myself to stay in your house this weekend. You are de man!

Way too many folks involved in the organization and grunt labor that made this tourney happen to try to thank you all - Kirk, Matt, Mike......... Wonderful all the way around. :cool:

Vern,

If PDGA fees are a given then where should they come from?

Shouldn't they come from your entry fee?

You didn't give anything to the Pro's so "Your Welcome" isn't appropriate.

The math here is very easy. I can prove and justify everything that was done as far as the finances are concerned.

The only bad decision made all weekend was made by me and it was quickly resolved by making a game time decision. Again, by me.

To be honest with you this is exactly why I don't like running events where Ams are involved. They are never happy with a payout that they shouldn't have received to begin with. If you are expecting a payout you are not Ams, you are Pros.

Arguing with me still makes you wrong.

Kirk

They were a given in my calculation because they are always deducted. I made no implications that everything wasn't on the up and up with this event. My only point is that I feel all tourney's that have "added cash", should be spread out evenly amongst all divisions.

I am not arguing with you Kirk, I have better things to do.

So once again - thank you for your efforts on this event And good luck with your future ones.

Vern,

I guess I don't understand your logic. If the PDGA fees "were a given in (your) calculation" then why weren't they included in your calculation. They have to be paid from somewhere. All fees (PDGA, greens, carts, etc.) are and were taken out of the entry fees.

I am sorry but I disagree with you. I don't believe Ams should benefit from added cash unless it is an Am only event. Even then I don't believe Ams should get the added cash. No one has ever been able to convince me that Ams should get a payout. You should get trophies and a great players pack. Not a crappy players pack, trophies and a payout that always gets complained about.

If you are complaining about the payout you're not an Am.

I have better things to do as well but I will not allow you or anyone else to make accusations that are completely incorrect.

Kirk

...nothing like ams whining about payout to make your morning the day after an event you've busted your [censored] to put on- that's certainly what keeps me running events.

Congrats to The Pro, and a shout out to MTL, and Toomes. Nice shootin guy's. Toomes, you qualify for an official part time bagger. Mtl, ratings will go up now.

Mini Thumber

Vern,

I guess I don't understand your logic. If the PDGA fees "were a given in (your) calculation" then why weren't they included in your calculation. They have to be paid from somewhere. All fees (PDGA, greens, carts, etc.) are and were taken out of the entry fees.

I am sorry but I disagree with you. I don't believe Ams should benefit from added cash unless it is an Am only event. Even then I don't believe Ams should get the added cash. No one has ever been able to convince me that Ams should get a payout. You should get trophies and a great players pack. Not a crappy players pack, trophies and a payout that always gets complained about.

If you are complaining about the payout you're not an Am.

I have better things to do as well but I will not allow you or anyone else to make accusations that are completely incorrect.

Kirk



I believe there should be a little added money to Am not much but something. I would agree with the trophy only if the entry fees were about $25 dollars to enter. You saying that no money should be added to Am is like me saying there should be no money added to Masters and all add money to the Open division. Vern did you get a players pack if so that is also subtracted from the payout.

Vern,

Are you deducting the players pack with your figures?

AM Division - 100% Payout � Even � The math proves it and Kirk is absolutely correct.

Kirk, You are correct - I would much rather have a sweet players pack vs. a larger payout, and I totally understand that you guys don�t live in the area and you didn�t have a lot of time on this.

I also understand that apparently all added monies went to the Pro�s payout.

I also understand that apparently all added monies went to the Pro�s payout.



That's how it should be. You want to play for added cash, Play Open and play against the best to get some of that Mulah...

Period.

So what you're saying is.......the added cash went to fund your Bill Goldberg starter kit. I think some of it should have gone to a good air horn.

I pose these question's........What happens if/when the ams stop coming? What will the lazy TD's do when they don't have am entries to increase there added cash? (not all td's are lazy BTW) Will the pro's keep coming? Would you travel across the country for a promise that may or may not be delivered?

Am players are the future of this sport. My 6 year old daughter loves this sport, she is the future. If you neglect the ams now the future starts to fade. I really don't think we should drive am players away with comments like, they don't deserve or if you don't like it move up. All of the people that play disc golf deserve the same respect and the same treatment regardless of there division. If that means big player pack and trophies for am divisions then the entry fees should reflect that.

Gotta agree, this is a professional caliber course. It should ideally be a Pro only event, but that probably would never work for a December tournament so far from many disc golf hotspots. Most tournaments raise money for the pro division. The great thing about all that added cash is, once you subtract cart fees and greens fees, the Pro payout was amazing!

Thanks a lot Kirk for running a fun event.

Here are my suggestions for a better event next year:

* Start earlier. 8:00 players meeting might get closer to finishing in daylight. Have registration open on Friday night to speed the process.
* Am divisions start and finish on the short course, not on the back 9 (especially masters groups) - no offense, I just want everyone to finish in about the same amount of time.
*Nobody starts on holes 16 thru 18, because by the end of a round, hole 15 has a big backup.
* Start the top Pro card on hole 1 of the short course, so they will finish on the big course. Nothing kills that sense of build up for a tournament like playing a bunch of short par 3 holes as your final 9 holes. I want to finish on 18 of the Executive course. (may require reversing the card order so the top group is on 1Par3, then 2nd card on 18, 3rd on 17, etc. This allows the top groups to all finish on the executive course.
* No more yelling. This is a golf course, not a boot camp. People will get excited, people will talk, yelling makes me cringe, and I'm sure the non discers and staff would appreciate it if there wasn't any yelling. Don't take it personal, it works on a public course, just maybe not the best practice for a private facility.
* Discs for sale all weekend for the players who lost them in the drink. Not just at payout time.

Otherwise, I love this event and hope it continues. All of these are merely suggestions, they would make it even better, but are in no way mandatory.

Jay,

All added cash went to the Pro's. So, you can take your comment about me funding anything for myself and eat it.

You are correct that Ams are the future of the sport. However, there are no Ams in our sport today.

THE AMS AT THIS EVENT GOT ALL OF THEIR MONEY BACK (minus the fees that had to be paid to play this event). None of the Am entry fees went into the Pro purse.

I explained (lots of times) in advance of this event that the Am payout and the Pro payout would seem low compared to the high entry fee. We had to pay $40 per player for greens fees and cart fees and an additional $3 per player to the PDGA. That left $37 per player for payout.

When Ams stop whining about payouts they will get plenty of respect from me. Until then they are Pros that aren't happy because they didn't get MORE than their money back.

Kirk

Matt,

Good point about yelling. I will get an air horn and stand outside blasting it and see how that goes over.

There would not have been any yelling other than 2 minutes and start if the average disc golfer weren't so irresponsible that they couldn't show up for a mandatory players meeting.

When the 9 AM meeting was supposed to start (at 9 AM) less than 15% of the field actually had the courtesy to be there.

The same thing happened the next day when players had to pair up to share a cart. More than half the field didn't show up until 8:45 for a 9 AM start.

Maybe next tournament when I say mandatory I will take a roll call and if a player isn't there they will be DQ'ed and their entry fee will go to the purse.

Kirk

First of all, I was joking with you. I had never met you until this past weekend and I think you look like a midget Bill Goldberg. I'm not being mean just trying to be funny. Personally I feel like you need a lesson in tact. Thank you for all of the yelling and disrespect (calling everyone dumb-butts) I have my opinion now and I won't support any of your future events. That being said, how you run your events is on you.
Personally I could care less about payout's. I play this game because I love competition and I love traveling around and meeting new people. So good luck filling any future events. I'm sure that most am's will appreciate your opinion of them and allow you the opportunity to run pro only events that won't fill up.

Rorys group said they gave you an official warning. I thought you had put that in your score. WOW. I was really impressed that you were stroked and still finished so well. I was wrong.

When you have disc golfers (that were Ams) driving their carts on the greens they deserved to be called way worse than what I did say.

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh but you have to understand that I had to take the lecture from the course manager about the disc golfers that drove across his greens. I really couldn't believe that anyone could be that stupid but that is exactly what happened.

I agree....that wasn't very smart. However as TD you assume all responsibility for the tournament and what goes on during that tournament. If you knew who the person was that broke those rules it should have been dealt with personally. I'm just not used to a TD being so impetuous. As was the case in the player meeting and awards ceremony.

I did not know who the players were that drove over the greens. The course manager told me that they were Ams and all the Pros that were at the course at the time that it happened were with me playing doubles.

I chose to make sure that everyone know that we had an issue with idiots and that no one would be allowed on the grass with their carts.

I know that I can and do come across as being very abrasive. Unfortunately, that comes from years of dealing with extremely stupid people. e.g.-people driving their carts on greens, 85% of the players not being at a players meeting on time, people driving off in a cart and leaving their partner stranded (there were only enough carts to accommodate 2 players per cart, not one player per cart), players inconveniencing their entire group (because of the carts) by not even showing up until less than 15 minutes before the start on Sunday, etc.

Those are all examples from this weekend. I could give you thousands more. You can even look back a few pages on this thread and see where I had to field some fairly stupid questions from a golfer in D.C.

When you have disc golfers (that were Ams) driving their carts on the greens they deserved to be called way worse than what I did say.

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh but you have to understand that I had to take the lecture from the course manager about the disc golfers that drove across his greens. I really couldn't believe that anyone could be that stupid but that is exactly what happened.

It is not an am-pro thing. At my tournament it was the pros who were behaving like jerks.

It's all good. The life of a TD is no life for me. I just felt a little offended by your statement/opinion of am's. I just felt if you held am's in such low regard they shouldn't be allowed at your tournaments. Tupelo Bay was my first serious attempt at playing in the Open division. I'm one of those am players that could care less about payout. I donate either way. In am I play for plastic that I don't use (the evidence is piled high in my basement). If I play Pro I donate because I'm not quite ready to compete at the highest level.......YET. I just think that am's deserve a little more recognition and respect. I know they whine but you would too if you kept getting stepped on. The current system supports touring pro's. Nuff said, I appreciate the explanation and good luck in the future.

Maybe next tournament when I say mandatory I will take a roll call and if a player isn't there they will be DQ'ed and their entry fee will go to the purse.



For some (knuckleheads), this is the only way to get their attention. If they drive several hours to be there, and then get blindsided by a DQ due to not paying attention, I think a lesson will be learned, unless they're stupid beyond rehabilitation.

When you have disc golfers (that were Ams) driving their carts on the greens they deserved to be called way worse than what I did say.

I'm sorry if I seemed harsh but you have to understand that I had to take the lecture from the course manager about the disc golfers that drove across his greens. I really couldn't believe that anyone could be that stupid but that is exactly what happened.



Kirk - Now you know that people can be, and are, that stupid. I too was once more optimistic, but this is a fact that is proven to me every day, sadly.

The current system supports touring pro's

welcome to the PDGA get use to it. :confused:

At every event I have ever run that had Ams they have always gotten at least 100% of their money back minus fees.

At the 2 RIPT events I ran the Ams got %1500 of their entry fee back in prizes.

My opinion of Ams is that we do not have Ams in our sport. Please tell me how an Am can justify complaining about a payout? If you're an Am you shouldn't be concerned with a payout. Granted you should be concerned with value for your entry fee. That is exactly why I believe that Ams should get a players pack equal to or greater than the value of their entry fee.

I will be the first to admit that I do cater to Pros. However, I have never and will never take any Am entry fees and put them toward a Pro purse.

What do top pros want? Really high entry frees b/c they know they are going to cash and then they get more money.
What do other pros want? Smaller entry fees and lots of added cash so if they don�t cash, they won�t lose too much money, however, they can cash and it can be pretty big, so then get more cash.
What do top ams want? Big payouts where they can get 100�s of dollars in merch.
What do other ams want? Big player packs so they can leave with something.

Get the picture? Let�s face it, almost all bickering about payouts (both here and elsewhere) has been to benefit the person doing the complaining.

Maybe instead of trying to come off thinking how this event �didn�t� benefit you, think about what the event benefited as whole. Think of all the people who showed up to play a round of golf Saturday and Sunday and were amazed about how far we could throw these Frisbees. I saw Bard throw a roller and a guy was astonished that you could actually make those things roll that far. Think of all the people who this weekend saw disc golf for the first time and are now interested in it. I think its awesome that we get to go out and have fun for an entire weekend AND get to promote this sport at the same time.

That is much better to me than any amount of money, size of trophy or anything like that.

PLUS

We got to pay to play on a beautiful course that no other disc golfers will have a chance to play on for the rest of the year. To me, that is well worth the $40 cost to play at Tupelo.

PLUS

Those were the cheapest room rates I have ever heard of!!! $20 a piece gets you and 2 friends a room for the weekend. Which more than offsets the extra to play this course.

Here is something amazing...I have received more than a dozen emails today from players talking about what a good job I did and to not listen to the complaining idiots on the Disgusting Board.

When asked why they sent me an email instead of posting they all (every single one) said they don't want to get flamed by the disgruntled few.

So, it certainly seems like there were more happy golfers than unhappy golfers from this weekend.

I will close by saying if you don't like what I am doing don't come to one of my events. I really could care less. As I said earlier this event was all about me and always has been.

You can't stop me and you can't even hope to contain me!!!

Get the picture? Let�s face it, almost all bickering about payouts (both here and elsewhere) has been to benefit the person doing the complaining.

Maybe instead of trying to come off thinking how this event �didn�t� benefit you, think about what the event benefited as whole. Think of all the people who showed up to play a round of golf Saturday and Sunday and were amazed about how far we could throw these Frisbees. I saw Bard throw a roller and a guy was astonished that you could actually make those things roll that far. Think of all the people who this weekend saw disc golf for the first time and are now interested in it. I think its awesome that we get to go out and have fun for an entire weekend AND get to promote this sport at the same time.





One of my favorite "Little Rascals" scenes had Farina and I think Weezer sitting on the curb. One of them says, "I wish I had a nickel." About five seconds later a nickel comes rolling down the road and hits Farina in the foot. He picks it up, looks at Weezer and says, "I wish I had another nickel." Nature of the beast........

And yup there were an awful lot of ball golfers that would not have seen us playing without the scheduling SNAFU who were really interested and taken with the game. Will they take up disc golf? Probably not, but maybe they'll be more amenable to voting for and promoting a course in their town. :cool:

BTW I was pretty amazed at some of the rollers I saw this weekend too. Even knowing what can be done with a disc, it was impressive seeing what big arms can do with enough room and a perfect rolling substrate.

To be honest to me if you are not a Pro attempting to make a living off disc golf you shouldn't really have the right to bicker about payout. I mean how many minor league baseball players have you seen hold out for more money? But that is this humble Am's opinion.

Also if they were riding around on the greens with the carts I think they should be very happy that they were only yelled at. Especially if it was in the morning and still a little dewy.

Hey Jay, having met you and played with you in Charlotte, I am pretty sure you got a bad first impression of Kirk. Kirk provides AM's with opportunities. Even at AM only tournaments (AM Crosstown), Kirk helps out, opens his house to dozens of us AM's, and is always available to offer assistance and support through his wealth of experience and committment to this sport. I am truly sorry about your first impression, as most peoples are the polar opposite. The fact that Kirk looks like a midget Goldberg is out of our control, but I have also seen him look like an ambassador. Hope you change your mind and continue to play and challenge yourself by playing in NC/SC and with some of the best AM's in the country. My 2 cents.
Craig

Cumbaya Mofo's! :D

What do top pros want? Really high entry frees b/c they know they are going to cash and then they get more money.
What do other pros want? Smaller entry fees and lots of added cash so if they don�t cash, they won�t lose too much money, however, they can cash and it can be pretty big, so then get more cash.
What do top ams want? Big payouts where they can get 100�s of dollars in merch.
What do other ams want? Big player packs so they can leave with something.

Get the picture? Let�s face it, almost all bickering about payouts (both here and elsewhere) has been to benefit the person doing the complaining.

Maybe instead of trying to come off thinking how this event �didn�t� benefit you, think about what the event benefited as whole. Think of all the people who showed up to play a round of golf Saturday and Sunday and were amazed about how far we could throw these Frisbees. I saw Bard throw a roller and a guy was astonished that you could actually make those things roll that far. Think of all the people who this weekend saw disc golf for the first time and are now interested in it. I think its awesome that we get to go out and have fun for an entire weekend AND get to promote this sport at the same time.

That is much better to me than any amount of money, size of trophy or anything like that.




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60 till 2500!!



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I usually do not comment on event threads that I did not go to (but I did help sponsor) but after reading this I have to. The reason is I do not like to see any TD get unfairly ripped apart. I have know Kirk since I was an am (and I am using am in the PDGA definition, not Mr Yoo's) and even back then he was always fair to players in my division. He may be blunt and to the point, but why beat around something when the answer is simple. He will give you the same respect that you give him and will treat you fairly.
NO EVENT IS PERFECT! There are always things that will go wrong, but somethings you overlook and others you fix then or remember to do better next year. I use to hate hearing the saying "until you have run an event of any type, don't be so quick to place blame" but I have to totally agree. So much goes into an event that to have a few people tear it down really can get old. We wonder why TDs get burned out and quit running events. If you have a comment or suggestion or even a complaint, why not man up and go to that person directly in a professional manner to talk about it. Just complaining for the sake of doing it serves no real purpose.
Its sounds like the event was on a sweet course with a good amount of fun and amenities.

So what you're saying is.......the added cash went to fund your Bill Goldberg starter kit. I think some of it should have gone to a good air horn.

Kirk and I qualify as the Great Air Horns !!

Full of gas, da both of ewes.

The current system supports touring pro's. Nuff said,



Are you kidding me? How and the (censored) do you come to that realization? How exactly are we being supported?

If you play for the love of competition and traveling, than why did you start this post by conspiring that Kirk took all the "am" money for the pro's?

Overall I have received way more positive feedback about Tupelo than I have received negative.

For all future events:
I will have an air horn (that doesn't mean I will always use it).
I am seriously considering a roll call at the players meeting.
I am definitely going to require pre-registration and it will close on Thursday evening. There will be no exceptions. Make your plans more than 2 days in advance or don't play.

Here is the complete payout details in full glory for all to see.

Mens Pro Open
Entry: $80
Greens Fee: $20
Cart Fee: $20
PDGA Fee (B-Tier): $3
Net entry: $37
Players: 33
Total income from entry fees: $1,221

Womens Pro Open
Entry: $80
Greens Fee: $20
Cart Fee: $20
PDGA Fee (B-Tier): $3
Net entry: $37
Players: 1
Total income from entry fees: $37

Mens Advanced
Entry: $80
Greens Fee: $20
Cart Fee: $20
PDGA Fee (B-Tier): $3
Players Pack: $10
Net entry: $27
Players: 26
Total income from entry fees: $702
Total paid out: $700 (+$2)

Mens Advanced Masters
Entry: $80
Greens Fee: $20
Cart Fee: $20
PDGA Fee (B-Tier): $3
Players Pack: $10
Net entry: $27
Players: 4
Total income from entry fees: $108
Total paid out: $110 (-2)

Sponsors:
CFR discs $1047
Sweet Olive Garden Gift Home Mt Pleasant, SC $50
dave mansfield $25
Lumberton Disc Golf Association $25
Raleigh Area Disc League $50
Brian and Ashley Schweberger $25
Ramcat Ridge Disc Golf course $25
steven mallinson $25
Kinston Disc Kings $25
Carlton Howard $25
PDGA sanctioning -$75
TOTAL $1247

Added cash by division:
Mens Pro Open
33 players / (33 open + 1 woman) = 33/34 * 1247 = $1210

Womens Pro Open
1 player / (1 woman + 33 open) = 1/34 * 1247 = $37

Payout by division:

Mens Pro Open:
Entry Fees: $1221
Added Cash: $1210
Net Purse: $2431
Total Paid out: $2,425
Difference: +$6 to event

Womens Pro Open:
Entry Fees: $37
Added Cash: $37
Net Purse: $74
Total Paid out: $75
Difference: -$1 to event

Mens Advanced
Entry Fees: $702
Total paid out: $700
Difference: +$2 to event

Mens Advanced Masters
Entry Fees: $108
Total paid out: $110
Difference: -$2 to event

Sum of payout differences: +$6 from pro open - $1 from womens pro + $2 from advanced men - $2 from advanced masters

Grand total: $5 to event staff

Trophy disc cost: $8 per disc (5 divisions because we had a masters division that then moved to open)
Total cost: $40 (I forgot to account for this in the purse)

Scorecards (paper/ink cost): ~$5

Running total is now: -$40 to event staff

I have not gotten the bill from Innova yet who supplied the plastic (thanks to them for this) but I can almost guarantee that any "profit" will come out to be around $20 total.

One other thing to note is that the Pro's had the sanctioning fee taken out of their added cash which helped to support the ams as well. If we were to break down this $75 across all players we could have also deducted $1.17 from each player to cover this fee. If we look at the pro divisions they also had more money that was not paid out than the ams.

If there are any questions please let me know.

So there....lmao

Trophy dics cost: $8


I knew you Raleigh guys were a little bit different. :D

Trophy dics cost: $8


I knew you Raleigh guys were a little bit different. :D



This was actual cost for the Ching stamped disc not an inflated value of what the disc would sell for.

Dang, this makes me never want to miss Kirk's tourney again...:D

There is a problem with players not attending players meetings. I don't know if its players thinking that they are too good to come to the players meeting or what. There's some guys around here that will putt 30 feet from the TD's voice, like its nothin'.

When I first started, I was stroked for not knowing something, about the course, that was indicated in the players meeting, and it cost me 2 strokes, Penalty and practice throw. That sucks!

Give your TD the respect they deserve, and listen to what they have to say.

..Afterall, It's only information for YOU!

Rant over... :p

My only point is that I feel all tourney's that have "added cash", should be spread out evenly amongst all divisions.



think about what you said... if you want 'added CASH'... play pro. If theres ever a time a tourney gets 'added MERCH' then i'd imagine that'll go to you.

If you think about how much it costs to play just 2 full rounds on the executive course and rent a cart (if you were playing ball golf... since you are occupying the same space)... you should come out of the weekend thanking Kirk for making it happen so cheaply and for still giving you the chance to win some merch on top of the players pack that was given.

Sorry I couldnt be there myself... but will def. be next year!!!

Great job Kirk and hopefully someone else will run it for ya next year so it can be a 'fun weekend @ the beach' without any admin stuff to worry about!

I really did have fun. I got to see a lot of very cool shots. I even made some of them.

The only downside for me was that I was very tired this morning.

I am struggling to get through class tonight without passing out.

Trophy dics cost: $8


I knew you Raleigh guys were a little bit different. :D



This was actual cost for the Ching stamped disc not an inflated value of what the disc would sell for.



Mike, re-read your original post! :o

We give out discs in Charlotte. :D

sorry one typo after having to type all of that up after getting injured this weekend and still being in pain tonight is not too bad. post edited to fix typo.

now that i've caught up on all that was said... i agree that the 'Am' title/structure is grossly off... even though i'd be one of those Am's that should cash well @ most tournies i'd rather see low entries w/ trophy only discs (ala Charleston Classic in years past). I know it'd take a lot to get to that point and there are other factors but that is just me... I also think a nice chunk of Am $ should go to the Pros.. think running road race... you pay $20-25 to run for an hour or so... you get a tshirt and maybe a free gatorade and some apples. If you are lucky &amp; FAST then you might get a medal/award (top 3 of the hundreds)... why do you do it then? Because its fun and you love the sport.

This is the thing that blew my mind when I got into disc golf... the idea that everyone has in their head that they should get their money back. Go play poker @ a casino or online... start out w/ $100 and plan on walking away with $100 bucks worth of stuff @ the end of the night if you dont win actual $. Apply the same logic to golf... if you played in a ball golf tourney @ tupelo this weekend would you have planned on getting anything back (other than maybe some free golf balls and tees?)... people dont see how this is ridiculous until you apply it to other sports.

On the TD bashing... criticism is good (if done correctly... like Matt or others)... what I'm sick of is the mentality that the TDs should cater to the golfer and they are there to serve the golfer... its a part of the job but you need to step back and realize that even if a lot went wrong (not saying anything did in this instance) or if you dont agree w/ much at all... you should still be thanking your TD (and mean it) for running the event. Until the TDs can actually make $$$ off events and they are truly working for your dollars... keep in mind that they are volunteering (and in this case going waaaay above and beyond) for the love of the sport.

Sorry for busting your chops Mike, I'm pretty bored tonight! ;)

I got to see a lot of very cool shots.



No doubt - Watching Bard roll hole 10 all the way to the pin was SICK!!!

and then miss the putt!

I liked watching Bard throw the Magnet on the holes I threw the JK Aviar. Well, some of them. Great minds think alike.

Sjur was tossing his Pro Wraith pretty far too. And Mandy was amazing to watch. I think we had 3 star birdies when it was Schweb, Mandy, Mike and me.

Fun time. Can't say it enough.

I just got all excited. Hold players to a standard. Yep, I'm excited. Way to go Capt. :D

Mini Thumber

Rorys group said they gave you an official warning. I thought you had put that in your score. WOW. I was really impressed that you were stroked and still finished so well. I was wrong.


Robert...no response to this?...of all things

so, Rory's group AND Carter stroked him? where's the paper trail? I would think it would have to be noted on the card.

I didn't stroke him, I wrote down one infraction, talking during Yahn's backswing, on the card. I wasn't aware of the 2nd infraction given to him during the 1st rnd untill the 3rd rnd was underway.

I was aware of both, and i thought he still ended up shooting well, considering the penalties... Strange that.

G. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, or by an official, with all players of the group advised of the warning.. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent courtesy violation of any type in the same round. Repeated violations of courtesy rules may result in disqualification in accordance with section 804.05.




I wasn't aware of the 2nd infraction given to him during the 1st rnd untill the 3rd rnd was underway.

You are beating a dead horse (a rather large dead horse).

It has been clearly stated:

The warnings were in different rounds and only one was noted properly on the scorecard.

If you are going to target someone for breaking the rules after the tournament is over try making sure you know both the rules and the facts.

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Craig,

Again, the infractions were in different rounds. You get one warning per round.

Does anybody ever read the rule book?

Kirk

Kirk,
Why you got to bust up my guilt trip on BOB? I know you are right, but considering all the crap he gives everyone else, this is deserving. The integrity issue is still on the table though, and my point about contradicting speed of play rules is very visable. So answer me this then; if a group behinds me throws into me, my group gives the player a courtesy warning for it, and we then have to go all the way back to the previous tee to tell the group (imagine Renny G. hole #14). Could we also then immediately give a warning to that whole card for forcing my card to have to go back? If so, that would be a second warning for the player that threw into us. My interpretation appears to be supported by the rules, which instantly changes things. What do you think?
Craig

Craig,

The answer to question 1 is that you are wrong.

As for your statement about his integrity I don't think his integrity is really the issue. r the moderators - (this is likely to get me banned from the DB but here goes) We all know that he is [deleted due to personal attack]

These are all reasons that all of us should be coaching him to be a better person since he never learned any of these things growing up.

Does anybody know what tolerance is?

As for your rules question it seems fairly simple...you let the group behind you know that it is a courtesy warning (if it is an obvious courtesy violation) and make them wait. Tell them as a group that it needs to be noted on the scorecard. Renny Gold 14 wouldn't really apply. If you were around the corner out of sight then the group might not know you were still on the hole. Also, you can't give 2 warnings for one infraction of the rules.

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Thanks Kirk for your perspective and honesty.

Once again, No one from the group I threw into or anyone else ever warned me.

Did they talk to me? Yes. Did they ever offically warn me? No.

I don't know how else to say it.

Carter was in my group, heck, he rode in my cart with me and he didn't know of a warning, b/c well, there was not one.

This is not a question of integrity.

Robert,

They are not coming down on you because you had a good weekend. They are coming down on you for all of the reasons I listed in my previous post.

If I have said this once I have said this a thousand times....Robert, stop talking!!!

The rules in this case are your defense. There was only one warning listed on your scorecard. You get one per round. The offenses in question happened in 2 different rounds. END OF DISCUSSION!!!

I have a boat load to say about your last sentence but I would certainly be banned if I posted it here.

Kirk

actually the instances were in the same round, but only recieved on warning, so it doesn't matter.

I was under the impression that they were in different rounds.

It still doesn't matter. The group never noted anything other than the warning for talking while a player was throwing.

That is still only one warning.

If i leave Buckhorn at noon on sunday, how long would it take me to eat an ice cream cone?

If I am in the car with you it is likely to be very fast....lmao

If you are traveling in a car at the speed of light, what happens when you turn the head lamps on?

Your question contradicts Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity which states that no object with mass CAN travel at, or above, the speed of light (c). As your car approaches c, its resistance to acceleration (mass) increases so that it would take an impossibly infinite force to actually reach c. Your question, then, is based on an impossible premise.

We have gone to plaid!

http://www.tablecloth.com/Christmas_Plaid.jpg

yeah Spaceballs

"Our Radars have been jammed........Raspberry, I think, yup definately raspberry."

if a man says something in the forest and no woman is around to hear it.... is he still wrong?

Definitely wrong

Wait. Kirk, what was that you said on the last page about Robert?

This has been great Wed morning reading......

We've learned a little more about MTL through Kirk's description, found out that you get one warning per round, learned that the incident(s) came from the same round though the TD thought it was 2 different rounds, and Schwebby can spell "spaceballs." :D

Lots of love for you NC boys!

Yes. Every still-married man knows that!

Go back and read it. Or quote it if you like. It is completely accurate.

I'm gayer than Elton John

I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

Yes. Every still-married man knows that!



i'm still-married myself... but I thought the man would still be wrong... but since I thought he would be wrong and i'm a man I figured that my thought was wrong which would make him right.

now do you see the dilemma Vanessa?!? :confused:

No, seriously; Call be Bobby bananas!

Kozak,

Nobody is gayer than Elton John...not even you...lmao

Kirk

wow...

flying knees + fridge head buTTs + gansta dolly rides + pre-<font color="pink">pony</font> TTagging + $40 beachfront + flying sea rat smackdowns + broke down beds + golf carts + assbergers @ the <font color="pink">pony</font> + myrtle beach street walker + mid 70s + 4ZZ + 5TT + TMF + extra mirrors + golf = <font color="green">FUN</font>

TThanks Yoo... and all helpers

well said.

second!!

wow...

flying knees + fridge head buTTs + gansta dolly rides + pre-<font color="pink">pony</font> TTagging + $40 beachfront + flying sea rat smackdowns + broke down beds + golf carts + assbergers @ the <font color="pink">pony</font> + myrtle beach street walker + mid 70s + 4ZZ + 5TT + TMF + extra mirrors + golf = <font color="green">FUN</font>

TThanks Yoo... and all helpers



<font color="green">ALLGOOD</font> <font color="brown"> peanuTT buTTer </font> +ZZippy bag TTies + $20 <font color="yellow">BANANA</font>-<font color="lightgreen">SHISHKABERRY</font> popperZZ + <font color="red"> VOLCANO </font> + <font color="pink"> TToureTT's pony boy</font> hollerin " You gotta let her know who's da boss: E-A- <font color="gold"> B </font>-<font color="red"> N </font>"

W O W !!!!!!!!!!!!

Did anyone hit Sam's Corner? It is always my first stop in Garden City

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/200...hiuRH2hzuNk4w-- (http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20071203/i/r81489243.jpg?x=314&amp;y=345&amp;sig=txVnqmpWchiuRH2hzuNk 4w--)

I knew I dropped that somewhere. This big wooden hand sucks for throwing discs.

We have a Gator or two around here, not as many as Santee. Just got back from Orangeburg, SC, played Edisto Mem Gardens DGC this afternoon... very nice, beautifully maintained course.


so did this guy even show up this past weekend?????

woops, replied to the wrong person.

Back to Stack:
No one said it was easy to be a man!

As we say in our household (though usually directed at my teenagers and not my husband!), "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you". Of course, in my household, everyone is also right ... all the time. Thompsons are almost as strong-minded as Kirk.

thought this would be rather apropos...


perfect couple (http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf)

LMFAO, Still LMAO, now thats funny right der, i don't care who u is, thats funny right der.

Honey, I found prophecy

Mini Thumber

Cute! Of course I read it all the way to the end.

And you know why it is said that women are bad drivers; they have poor depth perception because they've been told so often that this (insert appropriate hand gesture here, about 4-6" apart) is really .... OK, I'm going to stop this joke here, not setting a good example for the kids! :o

I just added a few of the photos I took at the Tupelo Bay Open... I will load others as time allows. Enjoy. Anyone else get any good shots? Innovan? ZZ, TT, pink pony?
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