Travis county has strict Impervious Coverage restrictions due to endangered species,etc... which limit the amount of concrete that can be poured, which in turn limits the ability to install concrete tee boxes.

I think impervious coverage limits are water quality related, not endangered species, although the City of Austin folks would attempt to connect the boxes to the salamander health in some far-fetched fashion, if it meant they could make someone miserable.

The fact that we have have concrete pads on only one course in Austin is somewhat of a mystery, but it probably comes from our second class status, rather than true environmental concerns. You don't hear much about impervious cover for soccer parking lots, or the fertilizers, or remaking the landscape to provide huge level areas.

I hope the misapplied sentiments of Austin haven't spread northward to Wilco. Common sense in environmental matters was the one area WilCo exceeds Austin. :p

impervious coverage restrictions limit the amount of space filled with concrete, it does emphasize on water quality as well when installing gas stations in the Edwards Aquifer.I have to deal with this day to day,I sold a house in Steiner Ranch that had IC restrictions-some areas are more strict than others for example- Circle C is very strict while Pflugerville isnt. I doubt Wilco would really care.

I have talked with the Wilco Parks director and he is looking into tee pads. They are not sure if they want to go with Concrete but there will be some sort of tee pad eventually. Please email me with any suggestions for tee pads that you might have and I will forward to the parks dept.

chris_ware@dell.com

heck with the teepads. tell them to kill the frigin bees.

I have been hearing that killing bees is illegal in this state. I will find out more. just throw past them and you will be ok :D

so whats the official course record at wilco? I saw 2 53's , i believe, at the T10. Has there been any official rounds better than that?

Hill Country News (http://www.hillcountrynews.com/articles/2006/08/18/news/news02.txt) has a front page article about the course. This is NOT the same article that was on the front page of todays paper, but this is what they have on the website.

53 is the official record..

the bees are in the trash can now. i wish yall all could have seen the documentory on the discovery channel about bees and i wish i hadn't seen it.

bees nest at cat hollow is also gone. :D

What did the documentary say? Pro-bee, or anti-bee?

Did you watch the documentary, stay at Holiday Inn, put on that beekeeper suit, have all the bees follow you to the trash can, put the lid over them, and then tell Chris that there was an ice-cold Bud in the trash can. Is that what happened? :p

Did you watch the documentary, stay at Holiday Inn, put on that beekeeper suit, have all the bees follow you to the trash can, put the lid over them, and then tell Chris that there was an ice-cold Bud in the trash can. Is that what happened? :p



I would consider paying to watch that.

Didn't notice any bees Saturday.

5:30 we tee it up, $31 ace pot--
Mums the word on payout, just show up and I will explain, V you coming?

is there a mini this fri?????????? :) :)

The mini is back on now that Outlaws has passed. $37 ace pot. This will be the last Friday we start at 5:30. We move to 5:00 9/15.

this would be a nice course if we could use it.

this would be a nice course if we could use it.



I'm not sure what this means? Is the Wilco Course not fully opened for daily play yet?

I was thinking about heading out there tomorrow afternoon for a round...but only if it was open, obivously.

its open to the public as long as it doesnt rain, kinda sucks driving up from south Austin only to see a closed sign going across the bridge :(.If there was a contact to find out if the course is playable that would be great, until then I guess I will just take a chance on it being open.Rivery isnt too far away.

true, but rivery was way overgrown last time I was out there...

still is

Joe, I called the WilcoPARD when it rained a little before heading that way. (512) 260-4283 They'll let you know if the course is open or closed.

I also changed the title since Edman posted that the mini would be moving to 5pm this Friday.

So you're not allowed to play WilCo if it's raining./has recently rained? Is it because they don't want tee boxes that look like Pease Park? Or is there another reason?

Is this course supposed to get concrete tee pads sometime in the future?

Oh well --- I guess I'll head south and play Kyle tomorrow instead. Or maybe take my dog out to Twin Parks so he can run around, too.

called them yesterday before i went and they were no help. both times i've found the place closed i could see no mud at all. what are they going to do this winter when it's always muddy. the stupid tee boxes are nothing but rocks and dirt anyway for crying out loud.

welcome to Wilco. :D yes they are looking into some sort of new tee box but not sure when or what.

hopefully the new boxes are sooner than later!!

yeah, which will come first-
concrete at the Rock, or Wilco??

Wilco

if you find wilco closed (i mean when) there is a short cut from wilco to cat hollow that takes about ten minutes.

Is WilCo open for play today? There are clouds in the sky...

should be.

was it open today ? I think we play random there tomorrow 3rd sunday

cool, I'm in

Open? rain in the forcast

Just letting everyone know this may be the last mini at Wilco on friday's depending on the turnout. I was out of town last friday so sorry to anyone that showed up, I forgot to post about it. Attendende has been light the past couple of weeks. $40 ace pot still there if the decision is made we will CTP it off after the round. We'll start at 5 tomorrow not 5:30.
Let's keep this going on a jewel of a course. Wilco is my therapist after a long week at work on fridays, so I want to keep it going, I just don't see the need for 3-4 people.

lost: light orange 172g Orc on the Wilco course. My name and # are on the disc. If you find it please give me a call, thanks!

found a cinguller cell phone on # 16 I droppe d it off at the cinguller store on 1431 and 734 by the heb

think this course will be open tomorrow?
sure thing cowboy.

I bet NOT!

so does this mean we will be blessed with another larry and geno sighting on the winter course?? :p

i think so. i've never seen cat hollow after a rain like we're getting out here right now.

cat hollow will be flooded in the creek bed so you will have to swim across to get to # 5 tee than back over than back again. its not pretty out there due to allot of trash also wshing on the course. ROUND ROCK is the place to play after a good rain

allrighty then

Just talked to the city and the course is closed all day.

anyone thinking of playing some where today? I need to go by disc nation first and get a new T-rex.

wilco today....when?

not sure yet but maybe this afternoon. would like to play a more challenging course before the rain arrives.

3:30 good ??

sound good

fun round good practice

Anyone want to play at 3pm today? Call me at 363-8104

I'll bet it is closed. I got 18 drops of rain at my house, so that should be more then enough...

We played, it was fun, you shoulda come out... :p

anyone know if wilco has scorecards in the little box by hole # 1?

anyone know if wilco has scorecards in the little box by hole # 1?



i was there 4:30pm yesterday and there were 5-8 envelopes left.

not payment envelopes score cards :D

There weren't any scorecards on Sunday afternoon.

Does anyone have an email address for Terry or Jim Rogers with Williamson County. I work with them from time to time and I have some suggestions for them.

I put money into envelope 1001 on Sunday, so I will assume they have made a minimum of $3,000 so far from this course. There are a couple of basic improvements that would be nice.
1. The scorecards need to have distances from all teeboxes as well as par for the hole.
2. Where are we on tee signs and I don't mean the numbers written with Sharpie on the large rocks.
3. Have any teebox solutions been presented such as concrete or well done fly-pads?

I would hope that the amount of use of this course would inspire upgrades to further increase the beauty of the course and to bring even more people to the park. This course could be an example for our area on how to do things correctly if it continues to be improved.

I absolutely agree , chris... Ware can probably hook you up with contact info.

Wilco score cards and other information (http://wcportals.wilco.org/parks/activities/index.htm#discGolf)

I will PM you Jims email and ph # when I get to work tomorrow.

This course could be an example for our area on how to do things correctly if it continues to be improved.



Trash cans

stated before the course opened
Disc golf$ goes to a GENERIAL park fund.....
And trash cans promote trash.....pack it in pack it out.
I don't agree with all these.........but lots of phone calls and emails might get the friggin tee signs they have committed too.

Nice and windy out,40-42mph, anybody down for a round...doubt anybody will take me up on it...


It would be nice to see a plaque type of tee sign put onto the rocks where the magic marker numbers are.

Nice and windy out,40-42mph, anybody down for a round...doubt anybody will take me up on it...


It would be nice to see a plaque type of tee sign put onto the rocks where the magic marker numbers are.



Point your car north, lets meet @ z-boaz for a hella windy round!

Anyone up for a round @ 3:30 pm today??

what about earlier?

What time??

I might want to play

Just wanted to say that Wilco is a great course!

My wife went to IKEA last Saturday and insisted I find a place to play at in RR, so I went to Wilco. Whoever layed that course out did a beautiful job. I shot a 63, and a 61 which felt like par. Anyone know what par is?

There are definitely some nice lefty holes.

Thanks for the recommendation Chris, and I hope my wife wants to go to IKEA on a monthly basis. ;)

I am heading out there around 2:30

The "actual" course par is said to be 61---or so I heard

no problem I would say par is 58 or so. Best score I have heard is -5 . for sure lefty friendly or side arm. Basssturdsss :D

Course par is 61, should be a 58-59 though (imo). Sometimes you just gotta have a difficult par 3 instead of an easy par 4 on holes.

Ware, Who you calling a Basssturd!!! :mad:
It is a little more lefty friendly but a lot of holes have a several different tight line options from staight, hyzer, anhyzer. Lefties Rule / or so I would like to think! :p :D

all flickers and left handed throwers :D booyah

Anyone playing today??

I got to play this course for the first and second time this past weekend and this is a real! nice course. :cool:

looks like we got some kids screwing around at the course.
Rocks have dented basket 18 yellow band and someone throw a boulder at the cage of #17 and bent it down.
While playing keep your ears up and do not approach the folks. but call Wilco police and obtain any information that could used against them.

anyone playing this am?

How far south can you go, C? Pease?

sure pease is cool. lets meet at 11:00 sound good?

Re: the course par at Wilco

Which par 4s would you guys change to 3s? The only ones that come to my mind would be the one that's a little over 400' straightaway with a little right dogleg and another 80' or so to the green--#14 I think? and maybe #3? The other par 4s on the front nine all seem like legit 4s to me as does 18 (because you gotta hit the landing area on the drive). Maybe 10 is a real hard par 4? I'm just curious because my arm doesn't really go over 400' on flat ground and I'm trying to think how you bombers do! :D

$.02

C you there at 11 :cool:

10 is a par 5 in my opinion. and than 4 is a par 4 than the rest are par 3. 18 is easy :D for a par of 57

11 is it.

3 to me is a par 3, even though it took me awhile to get it right, it is a 3 hole. Simple hyzer up the gut off the box, which is well under a 400 ft shot maybe around 330 to 360 off the box to land it in the middle and then a good staight tug up the middle again shuld get you there for a relatively easy putt.

#4 is another simple hole that you only need a roc off the tee for about 250 ft of anhyzer then straight up the gut again to the pin. This hole seems to trouble people more than it should. I see most mistakes made because of where their plant foot is on release and the angle of their body. I dunno what people are are doing sometimes I guess thinking they have to work to hard off the box when the REAL trick is the 2nd shot. It may be suited better as a 4 overall I guess, an Open player should be get a 3 tho.

#6 is a Par 3 my Girl takes 3's on that hole, she's got that one wired. Again this hole forces people to play it too hard. It is another 250-300 ft annie and then pretty much straight to the pin with something that will comeback slightly for relatively easy putt. Feel free to substitute these annies with forehands, I see those work better for people than the annie alot of times. This is all based on a righty bcakhand throw BTW.

#10 par 5...

#14 is a par 3 most definitly this is the one hole that got me re-thinking the pars on this course, big arms are going to start getting 2's on this hole pretty soon, I heard Matt Hall made it to the opening off the Teebox and I keep geeting clipped by the last tree on the right to prevent it from getting to the opening and maybe up in to the green area. Definitly a par 3.

#18 this hole is so hard to relly get a good handle on where it stands. Early on I was typically getting 3's now I'm workin for the fours :confused: i'm on the cuss with this hole and think it is a par 4...that's my take anyhow ;)

3 to me is a par 3, even though it took me awhile to get it right, it is a 3 hole. Simple hyzer up the gut off the box, which is well under a 400 ft shot maybe around 330 to 360 off the box to land it in the middle and then a good staight tug up the middle again shuld get you there for a relatively easy putt.

#4 is another simple hole that you only need a roc off the tee for about 250 ft of anhyzer then straight up the gut again to the pin. This hole seems to trouble people more than it should. I see most mistakes made because of where their plant foot is on release and the angle of their body. I dunno what people are are doing sometimes I guess thinking they have to work to hard off the box when the REAL trick is the 2nd shot. It may be suited better as a 4 overall I guess, an Open player should be get a 3 tho.

#6 is a Par 3 my Girl takes 3's on that hole, she's got that one wired. Again this hole forces people to play it too hard. It is another 250-300 ft annie and then pretty much straight to the pin with something that will comeback slightly for relatively easy putt. Feel free to substitute these annies with forehands, I see those work better for people than the annie alot of times. This is all based on a righty bcakhand throw BTW.

#10 par 5...

#14 is a par 3 most definitly this is the one hole that got me re-thinking the pars on this course, big arms are going to start getting 2's on this hole pretty soon, I heard Matt Hall made it to the opening off the Teebox and I keep geeting clipped by the last tree on the right to prevent it from getting to the opening and maybe up in to the green area. Definitly a par 3.

#18 this hole is so hard to relly get a good handle on where it stands. Early on I was typically getting 3's now I'm workin for the fours :confused: i'm on the cuss with this hole and think it is a par 4...that's my take anyhow ;)



I think the course is par 61, just because you can get a 3 does not mean it should be a par 3. IMO holes 3,4,6,and 18 all take two well executed shots to give a high percentage putt for a 3. To me that makes it a birdie 3 because unless you throw in a very low percentage "throw" you are not going to get a 2. If you threw in a long throw it would be an eagle, not a birdie. Hole 14 almost always plays directly into a head wind so I think that makes it a par 4 IMO. Hole 10 in definitely a par 5, a 3 is possible but the percentages are very low due to the tight fairway off of the box.
I consider it a birdie if I throw perfect shots in order to get a putt, then make that putt. If I throw 2 perfect shots and make the putt for a 3 and the hole is posted as a par 3, I think the par is wrong. This is why I consider Wilco's par 61.

You tell him Hemme. All of those holes are fours, with 10 being a five.

btw, I see just as many 5s on six as I do 3s. KT gets cause she is good and left handed. You notice Jeff doesn't say that he gets 3s on it all the time, just that KT does. ;)

To me that makes it a birdie 3 because unless you throw in a very low percentage "throw" you are not going to get a 2




I'm talking about difficult par's not easy pars and not getting 2's either. Getting 2's on any of these holes is a feat in itself but, that's not what I'm talking about. You don't judge a par by weather you can get a 2 on a hole, seems to be how you put it. I feel you should be forced to make to well executed shots in order to get par sometimes. I've sprayed 2 shots on some of these holes and still wound up with a par 4 cause I managed to get one of the 4 throws right. Just because I've gotten 3's on holes doesn't mean that I feel jeff's arm is right and it should be different, I've seen a wide variety of players throwing on that course and have based my opinions on that. #3 and DEFINITLY #14 are par 3's. I may change my tune on #4 and #6 I like the fact you not going to get 2's on these holes but don't agree that I can have 2 bad shots and still make par 4, I dunno I'll put the jury back in deliberations and keep my mind open on those 2. Since when did you get scared of a little wind in your face? :D

Ole Hemi looks tough and bad but he is really always scared of any wind! :o :p :D

I've sprayed 2 shots on some of these holes and still wound up with a par 4 cause I managed to get one of the 4 throws right. Just because I've gotten 3's on holes doesn't mean that I feel jeff's arm is right and it should be different, I've seen a wide variety of players throwing on that course and have based my opinions on that. #3 and DEFINITLY #14 are par 3's. I may change my tune on #4 and #6 I like the fact you not going to get 2's on these holes but don't agree that I can have 2 bad shots and still make par 4, I dunno I'll put the jury back in deliberations and keep my mind open on those 2. Since when did you get scared of a little wind in your face? :D



In ball golf you can hit a bad tee shot into the rough, then another bad shot into a bunker. Up to this point you have not hit a good shot, But hit a great shot out of the bunker and sink your putt and you save par. Would you not agree that this is exactly how you got a four on those holes. Throw two bad shots and one good one to put yourself in a position to make a putt. You still had to throw one really good shot and probably make a testy putt so IMO you deserved a par. You had to execute two quality shots on the same hole, the shot to set up the putt and the putt itself. Now if your two quality shots would have been off the tee and the second shot, you would get a birdie so anyway you look at it, it takes two quality shots to score well on the hole. So if you agree that the distance or line is too far for a 2 you must agree that getting a 3 is the best score one could get by throwing 2 quality shots, which would be a birdie. I would bet that the scoring average on those two holes are closer to 4 than to three. I would agree that 3 and 14 are the easier of the par 4's but they are par 4's none the less.
As far as wind goes, I'm not scared. Hell I play disc golf with guys that break wind all the time :D

As far as wind goes, I'm not scared. Hell I play disc golf with guys that break wind all the time :D


Now did you had to bring F'n Larry T into this?! :p

# 14 is not a par 4. :DI am going to 2 that turd and I heard Larry T last night at the rock but I hear his wind holds nothing against master mccaine :D

# 14 is not a par 3. I am going to 2 that turd



Chris I agree with you, it is a par 4 :D

What does Olse take on it? :D

What does Olse take on it? :D



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With this dead-eye stare he simply releases his disc in any direction and uses mind control to guide it under the basket. So the answer is a 2, but Olse has been training with Kubala to master this art.

Yeah he gets 2's alright, more like 2 of these... :D



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park should be open today anyone thinking of playing should warm up nicely to 48-50 or so. ok heading out to play should be there around 10:30

A quick rant about par:

I hear people talk differently about par all the time so I want to throw out a quick generalization. Par is defined as the number of throws to reach the green + 2 putts. Those of you who throw 500 feet, may be able to eagle a par 4 now and then, but us mere mortals are going to need 2 throws to go 500 feet.

For example, hole 1 (par 3):
Drive, make putt= birdie(2 shots)
Drive, 2 putt= par (3 shots)

Hole 3 (par 4):
Drive, approach, putt= birdie (3 shots)
Drive, approach, 2 putt= par (4 shots)

That's it, simple isn't it? And there is no such thing as a par two. I am going to punch the next person who claims a par two.

There are par 2's. :eek: :D

I just shot 56 so what do you guys thjink par is I would say no higher than 59

You shot 56?................then par should be 50!

10 is a par 5 in my opinion. and than 4 is a par 4 than the rest are par 3. 18 is easy for a par of 57

I just shot 56 so what do you guys thjink par is I would say no higher than 59


Par is 61 which means you shot a 5 down from the course par. You can't change the par everytime you play the course. A 56 is a pretty good round chris, I bet it would be rated between 980 and 1000 depending on the wind. Keep your head up Crare :D

thanks dad.. will we see you in lago this sunday

thanks dad.. will we see you in lago this sunday

Hey MP3, I guess if the hole was 60 feet then you could call it a par two, but that wouldn't be very fun now would it.

Hey MP3, I guess if the hole was 60 feet then you could call it a par two, but that wouldn't be very fun now would it.



No, but it would be #1 at LL Woods in Lewsville.

thanks dad.. will we see you in lago this sunday


You will see my dad but I am going to Wimberly where they have par 4's and 5's or as you would say really long par 3's :D

cool have fun

What is Par? (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=62882&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=12&vc=1)

Level Close Range (CR) Par is the best standard to use. I'm totally unbiased. This is CR Par appropriate to the course's playing level.

There are par 2's. :eek: :D



e.g.- On a Gold level course, a Gold CR Par 2 is any hole with an effective playing length under 120 ft. With CR Par you're allowed 2 close range shots to complete the hole.

There are par 2's. :eek: :D



e.g.- On a Gold level course, a Gold CR Par 2 is any hole with an effective playing length under 120 ft. With CR Par you're allowed 2 close range shots to complete the hole.



I made that statement just to get punched, truth be told. :)

But I am glad to know my finishing hole on my neighborhood course, Cam Yards, is a valid gold level par 3. It is 129' that is a very tempting ace run. That comes in handy if you have nothing to loose on the final hole when you are a stroke back. Nice thing is that the terrain makes a comebacker duece next to impossible. In fact with the OB road down on the left, with winter winds and short grass I have seen plenty of high scores including a triple OB 9 by a 1000 rated player.

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ok just shot 55 so I am pretty sure that par can be no higher than 59. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

10 is a par 5 in my opinion. and than 4 is a par 4 than the rest are par 3. 18 is easy for a par of 57

I just shot 56 so what do you guys thjink par is I would say no higher than 59


Par is 61 which means you shot a 5 down from the course par. You can't change the par everytime you play the course. A 56 is a pretty good round chris, I bet it would be rated between 980 and 1000 depending on the wind. Keep your head up Crare :D



I would be right at 1000 since the best scores are usually just slightly under 54. :D

MP3,

I've got the elevation on Cam's 129 ft 9S as +8 ft. I assume that the picture is the 9L at 233 ft, which I have as +15 ft. The effective playing length changes at a ratio of 3 ft for every 1 ft of elev change. My numbers on 9S are that is has an "Effective Playing length" of 153 ft. Cam Yards is a White level course. 9S is definitely a White CR Par 3.

There are par 2's. :eek: :D



At Steed in Richlands NC hole 11 is 87 ft. It's a White level course and White CR Par 2s are under 90 ft. This is definitely a White CR Par 2.

I don't care what color the course is, or what your skill level is; if you are a pro playing from the golds, or an am playing from the reds, THERE SHOULD NEVER BE A PAR 2. It is just stupid to make a hole where there can be no recovery to make par.

It is just stupid to make a hole where there can be no recovery to make par.




It just means there probably SHOULDN'T be any par 2s from a design standpoint. But that's not the current reality. Stick your head under a rock for about 20 years if you don't want to hear about par 2s. They are everywhere, fortunately mostly for our highest level players, disguised as par 3s.

blah blah blah...why is there a debate about par 2's on a thread for a course that doesn't even have anything remotly close to a par 2, now can we get back to par 4's that should be a par 3 for the candyass pros around here... :DJ/K...

Jeff, leave it up to the course designer to determine par for those two holes. Ask Houck what he wants them to be, or just ask a Houck employee to ask Houck what he wants them to be, or ask someone to ask a Houck employee to ask Houck what he wants them to be.

Alternatively, we can make Ware play the course every morning and post his score; then we add two to his score and that is par. :p

Those are both par 4s in my mind, without a doubt. But, I am a candyass pro. ;)

But, I am a candyass pro.



actually a candyass Master if you want to get technical... :D

I was [just/kidding] on the candyass remark. Mainly #14 is where I'm coming from on the par 4 stuff, the others are prolly par 4 I'll give up on those because it is too close really to argue about it. There is nothing in the way on #14 it is a wide open fairway that isn't too long either I just think that is a par 3.

Nothing in the way. Maybe if you can comfortably throw plus 400, relatively high and straight. I, on the other hand, a candyass master, has to throw a 350 feet accurate shot to avoid the tree on the left, just so that I can get position to throw a semi-tough 200 foot forehand through a gap to get a three.

Nothing in the way. Maybe if you can comfortably throw plus 400, relatively high and straight. I, on the other hand, a candyass master, has to throw a 350 feet accurate shot to avoid the tree on the left, just so that I can get position to throw a semi-tough 200 foot forehand through a gap to get a three.




For a good difficult 3!! I see WaY more 3's on that hole than 4's from different levels of play.

Alternatively, we can make Ware play the course every morning and post his score; then we add two to his score and that is par

i will let you all know what I the real par is after I get another round in :D i will say hole 3,4,6 par 4's and hole 10 par 5. agree on # 14 as a par 3 and than I would say hole 2 and 5 are par 2's HEE HEEE



where's albert..

PS this soon to be candyass master can throw 400.. :o

I think it should be one word: candyassmaster.

Jeff, I would love to see the results from Outlaws. Hey, wait a minute, the scorecards are in the desk right next to me.

Open
3,3,3,3,3,3,4 (Ware) :D,4,4,3,4,4,4,3

Masters
3,4 (myself, just to be fair to chris :p),3,4,4,4,5

Advanced
4,3,3,5,4,3,3,4,4,4,5,5,3,4,4

You proved my point James thanks. There are more 3's in the Open than 4's....8-6 and how many of those guys played the hole for the first time, you got that stat also :p

"You proved my point." I thought your point was that you had seen people of all levels, and they were mainly taking 3s. So, I disproved your point. ;)

At any rate, one thing you simply do not see in those numbers is a "2." There is a good spread for the hole and it is fair, so, whatever we call par, I think we are in agreement that it is a good hole. The issue is what is par for the hole.

If we use your definition, then we have a good par 3 that no one ever birdies. Or is it actually a good par 4 that half the field birdies. Which makes more sense?

No my point isn't that all levels have gotten 3's on the hole but, rather an observation. I look at courses from a Open perspective. My point is that it should be a difficult par 3 not an easy par 4. Why do you think, that if you can't get a two on a hole it should be a par 4? That is what I'm wondering...why not be a difficult par 3? Are you guys craving so much change that if you can't get a 3 it should be a par 4? THe hole is NOT difficult, and yes I have gotten four's on the hole and sure as hell knew I shouldn't have par on it. It is one of those holes that if you 4 it you deserve a bogey stroke, and if you 3 it you played the hole well.

Oh, I don't really care what we call it, when I'm on the tee, I'm not craving a birdie, but am aiming to deliver three good shots in succession, so that I can gain a stroke on half the field.

All I'm saying is that based on the common usage of the term "par" in golf. That hole is clearly a par 4. Maybe it is an easy par 4, but a par 4 nonetheless. I've never seen a ball golf tourney where, if the golfer executed every shot well, they couldn't get a birdie. Have never seen it cause it makes no sense given the common usage of the term "par".

if #4 is a par 4, then it is about the easiest par 4 period,because as long as you can make 2 accurate straight shots then you should be able to tap in for a 3.anhyzer to the dogleg and straight shot at basket with a TL or Roc, tap in for a 3.A 4 on that hole just doesnt feel like a par at all.I think #21 @Circle C has the best par 5 in town because a 5 does feel like a par,4 feels like a birdie,and 3 which to my knowledge no one has made yet would most likely feel like an eagle.

if #4 is a par 4, then it is about the easiest par 4 period,because as long as you can make 2 accurate straight shots then you should be able to tap in for a 3.



Well, the stats certainly do not bear that out either. In fact, it appeared to be a difficult par 4 at Outlaws. From Outlaws for hole #4 at Wilco:

Open
4,3,3,4,6,5,4,4,5,5,6,6,4

Master
4,5,4,6,7,7,5

Advanced
7,4,4,5,5,4,3,5,8,5,3,4,5,5,4

Only 4 out 35 peaople in the Open, Master, and Advanced took a three on the hole.

think #21 @Circle C

play # 10 at wilco that is a true par 5 that is one tough #$*&$!.. thanks James now lets see some Round Rock hole scoring lets say # 17 :D or # 4 :o

Who the hell gave James these scorecards damnit!! :Dcan't win a single argument with him if he's got privleged information...lol...alright James you win the argument, you got more fireprower than me with your stash of scorecards for that course. I still think it is a par 3, simply because it <font color="red">can </font> be dueced and I'm not talking about a field ace either.

if #4 is a par 4, then it is about the easiest par 4 period,because as long as you can make 2 accurate straight shots then you should be able to tap in for a 3.anhyzer to the dogleg and straight shot at basket with a TL or Roc, tap in for a 3.A 4 on that hole just doesnt feel like a par at all.I think #21 @Circle C has the best par 5 in town because a 5 does feel like a par,4 feels like a birdie,and 3 which to my knowledge no one has made yet would most likely feel like an eagle.



Are you serious? #4 is a really good par 4 IMO as you have to throw two accurate shots and if you don't and hit high or go into the brush on the right a 5 or 6 can happen. I consider a three on that a definate birdie.


Oh yeah, I was one of the threes at Outlaws. :D

I agree- hole 10 is a biatch,just as hard as hole#21. I have gotten a 4 on each but I earned it by making a 30-40ft putt.I am not saying hole #4 is easy but its not that bad,I think hole #3 plays just as tough but its very possible to get a 3 on each.Whereas hole #10 and hole #21 at circle c are almost impossible to get a 3 but I am sure that someone has done it.

Wow, u guys are amazin---What about those 330-350 yard holes in ball golf--Tiger, Daly, Holmes and a couple of others can bust off a huge drive to the green to have an EAGLE putt. A hole doesn't have to be extra long to be a par 4 or 5. and anybody who thinks 4 at Wilco is a par 3 needs to wake up and smell what ur shovellin" :eek:

speaking of shoveling Jamie did you loose your thermal underwear at teams? :D

speaking of shoveling Jamie did you loose your thermal underwear at teams? :D


did he leave them in your tent?

LOL...I was thinking the same thing...lol...Jamie whorin around teams...lol :p

I did not sleep in a tent /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifand I found them on the ground by the TV

I did not sleep in a tent /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifand I found them on the ground by the TV


What were you two watching?

thinking of trying to play around 2:30

Is Wilco open for play today?

Should be, it really hasn't been wet enough for it to not be open today. Make sure you pay yer $ tho ya cheapskate... :p When are planning on playing? I got a Dr. appointment at 2, I would be down for a round after that...

just talked with the city and the course is open.

Hey, I love Wilco, and I love the fact that the Dragons take pride in the course, and must do a lot of upkeep. It is clean. I sure hope it doesn't turn into Seawright North. I mean, what the hell. Freakin 10-somes, guys walking around with coolers. I hope the Seawright ethic doesn't consume this wonderful course.

uh~oh...who woke up the Cracken? Did you get bothered by a band of Dgolf'in cooler gypsies this past week~end James?

It was just a suspiciously Seawright experience. First, the four of us playing doubles catch up to a twosome on hole four. How does that happen. Then the guy, hauling a cooler, tells us that we can throw when he moves his arse and cooler around the corner. We wait on these guys for two holes and thankfully, they leave.

Then we catch up to foursome who was extremely courteous and let us play through. Then, we caught Vinnie and Jaime and crew, who are also courteous and offer to let us play through, but what the hell, there is a group of ten people in front of them clogging the course. All I'm saying, or complaining about more accurately, is that it was a kind of Seawright experience, and Seawright experiences should not be a part of Wilco.

Yeah I know what you mean, it can be a real bummer running into those undesirable types like Vinnie and Jamie.... :p

Do you think they should limit the amount of players in a group for that particular course?

Do you think they should limit the amount of players in a group for the paticular course?



No, we both know that's unrealistic at this point. But I'd certainly agree that unless the course is vacant, five or six (depending on their ability) should be the limit, enforced by the people themselves. It is not enough to rationalize that group size by saying "We'll let anyone play through." Basically, it takes a lot of time for people to play through a tensome. It may take twenty minutes of waiting till one even gets the opportunity to play through. Basically, it is bad form, Seawright form to be more accurate.

Pay no attention, I'm just venting. btw, two groups of doubles teams yesterday took 4s on hole six. ;)

hey old man if you dont like it keep your #$*&$! at circle C.. :D

The other day after all that disagreeing I go and 4 on 3...3 on 4...4 on 6....4 on 10...and a mutha f'n 5 on 14!!!Oh I was peeved..,, all I saw was you and your fat cigar hangin out yer mouth laughin at me!!!,, it was a horrible ordeal... :p Actually I thought it was funny...

Maybe a sign that includes the "Etiquette of Disc Golf" along with the basic rules would be helpful.

Anyone want to take a stab at the list ?

Maybe a sign that includes the "Etiquette of Disc Golf" along with the basic rules would be helpful.
Anyone want to take a stab at the list ?



The people who need etiquette don't know what it means and would probably not read the sign anyway! :o :p

I disagree. The people playing in large groups may not have ever played ball golf and are not familiar with the concept that allowing faster players to play through is more of an obligation than a nice thing to do. It is also something the slower group should offer as a courtesy instead of waiting for the faster players to ask.

Then again, it is possible that the group in question is doing it just to annoy the other players on the course, or they are so self involved that doing something as a courtesy to others would never occur to them.

Maybe they are just trying to pizz off McCaine. :D
If it is a large group of newbies someone might be inclined to read rules and ettiquite. It sure wouldn't hurt.

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe put up little reminders along the walkways that say "please allow faster players to play thru". Then you always have your typical ape out there mauling the courses they play on tearing up signs and baskets and such, so those would get trashed at some point. Maybe put some reminder signs in the cactus areas around the course to detour kicking and fiddling with them.

Yes, put signs up that say "Keep your hands off the cactus." ;)

btw, I take back the negativity about the course. Today, when we finally got to the Seawright group, they were all really cool and let us play through. Some old guy and five younger guys. :D

hey I resemble that old guy remark :D:p how many rounds you guys get in?

54 holes straight. I had worn the youngster out, and was finally ready to win, and it got dark. :p

Maybe put some reminder signs in the cactus areas around the course to detour kicking and fiddling with them.





Yes, put signs up that say "Keep your hands off the cactus."




You know I meant fiddling with the signs themselves right? Cause that did sound weird now that I look at what I posted.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

54 holes straight. I had worn the youngster out, and was finally ready to win, and it got dark. :p




**** James!!!! what do you got in those cigars :cool:,/...54 holes,,,,STRAIGHT!!! geez louize :eek:

Get to 60 and you're ready for Grandmasters!

You do mean 50 do'nt you? If not I'm screwed :D

60 warm up holes if what it usually takes in grandmasters!

Hey RR guys,

Not sure if this will get answered or not but I'll be in Georgetown Tues and Weds, and I here so much about this Wilco course that I thought I'd try to stop by. Just want to make sure that it'll be open, and see if there are any maps available, or whether it's relatively easy to navigate for an Advanced player.

Can't wait...thanks and Merry Christmas.

It's easy to navigate, there are scorecards with a map on the back to make sure you find your way. Take your time and go peek around the corners to get a good idea where you wanna throw a few of the drives, ;). Definitly find #10 before diving your teeshot. Unless it is raining or is muddy you shuld be able to play. Have fun.

I would call first to ensure they are open. (512) 260-4283.

anyone know if wilco is open??? I know it was closed yesterday

just talked to the city and the course is open. thinking of trying to get there ~~ 4:00

Ware, Do you ever f'n work or what? :o:p
S.B. :cool:

Thanks for the directions guys. I got to play Wilco over the break last Wednesday early, and it was a treat. I couldn't find all the teepads, but hopefully I threw within a few feet of the normal tee box. I really like the setup. Hopefully concrete teepads are planned at some point...that way they are easy to find, and the mud won't be such a factor. Considering I didn't have cleats on and was playing blind, I was pretty happy with a 56 (three 4's, one 5, three 2's). Hoping to play there again soon.

PS I put $2 in the jar even though there weren't any maps or envelopes!

thanks Derek for the donation to the city...

Jon P AKA saggy balls I work early in the am and take a short lunch on the days i want to play... :D:D

I work early in the am and take a short lunch but still have to work. My boss is a real hardazz. It sucks working for your self! :p

not sure what is up but wilco was closed today and the workers said probably for another day. i will see if I can find out what is up

more information can be found here
wilco disc golf information (http://wilcogov.org/parks/activities/index.html#discGolf) than scroll up some.


Field Conditions and Notices
RAIN OUT INFORMATION


1/5/07: Disc-Golf Course is CLOSED due to standing water on fairways. Please note, this area is in a lower section of the park and has more shade, which takes it longer to dry out.

RAIN OUT NUMBER


512-943-3366

Rain out message will not be updated if course/fields are playable. If message is changed, there will be date, day, followed by course/field information/status.


PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING



Nothing at this time.

wilco is open but not sure for how long before this rain hits.

Got a couple of questions for you RR guys...

What tournaments this year are you planning on using Wilco with? Also are there plans to put in concrete teepads and if so, when? I may pass through a few times this year, and would definitely stop to play, but I need to know whether to bring cleats or not!

Thx

Bring cleats...I don't think we will ever have concrete tee pads in sin~tex.... :(

Honestly, it's probably better to leave it without concrete pads; then you'd muddy up your shoes anyway on the fairways and slip worse on the teepad. Maybe just teesigns...I don't think I found half the actual tee areas when I was there.

naw...the course is closed if it is muddy...so concrete wouldn't matter as far a slippin on `em goes...yes tee signs out there would be nice, give people some kind of direction to go after they play a hole, give some kind of info for playing the hole your on etc...I wish you could've found the holes better...maybe I could hook~up with ya next time your down and give you the "real" tour of this fine course.

wilco is promicing tee signs very soon.....we will see

anyone know if wilco is open?

closed!

Anyone know if Wilco is open?

closed

Wilco's open, I played there today, the recording on the rain out # was not updated.I called 260-4263,the guy there told me the course was open and that he would have the rain out message updated.

its open

You didn't go and evaluate it did you?

didn't play just enjoyed the sunshine and my putter

will any of the secret squad be out at Wilco......shhh its a secret.

Quite! What time??

good to see F-Rain throwing again.
his Xstep is so much better
Saw brian shrieff and chase masterson out....great fellers

any chance someone can post this course on the directory its not there and it sure is inconvienient to have to search through this thread for directions. somebody anybody its not that hard to do. or at least post the directions every page.
anyways i will now start my search for directions. wish me luck.

take parmer lane to 1431,R @ 1431,about 3 or 4 miles down take left @Sam Bass Rd. park is on the right side.

We just had our Sunday Morning South Side Ducks there.
My 1st time on the course.

I really like it. it makes you want to play it again and again. :D

played a couple rounds out there over the weekend. I will say it again; Wilco is the best course I have ever played (on flat land).

is the course open today?-I mean it did rain like a week ago. :D

it was open yesterday just no scorecards.

parks director Jim rodgers was at hole # 1 yesterday and stated that they will be putting in tee signs very soon and they are looking at using something similiar to the pease hike and bike trail for tee pads. :confused: sounds like they might be making a mistake but I am unsure what material the trail is made of. so if you have other suggestions for tee pads please call the parks dept and express your concerns, you can call 260-4283

Pease dammit. P E A S E. Not Peace. That's for Hippies. Peace man. Peace brother. May peace be with you. ;)

ps. the trails at PEASE are made of the permeable concrete. They should work fine for teeboxes.

oops sorry James Blunt Mccaine. Pease out :D

so if dude is referring to the new sections of the trails at peace-out park then, yeah, that stuff will work great for tee boxes. let's just hope it doesn't emit some secret aroma that draws homeless people - something in peace-be-with-you park sure does...

lost a little black cap about the size of a silver dollar that goes to my cart has X/J or something similiar written on it. if anyone finds it please let me know. thank you

ps. the trails at PEASE are made of the permeable concrete. They should work fine for teeboxes.





The only problem with that material is they will get really slippery when wet, but, considering you can't play that course when it's wet anyhow makes them ideal I suppose.

Hellman

only problem??????? And it has to be applied above ground and it has one size

You sure about that Vinnie. I was told that the boxes at Kyle were made of that stuff. I thought they were pretty flush, but I am not too observant.

county has finished the tee signs...all the tee boxes are marked with large rocks with the hole number painted.
They are wanting to coordinate a work day with disc golfer, county employees and community services. I will know more in the upcomming week...maybe we can make a mini of it

So we got good times coming for this course. When they do a workday out there I'm in fer sure. I think what they got going on with the big rocks and mounted hole numbers is pretty cool.

Park director said it was cool to have a weekly mini out there, just nobody is allowed to hold minis trying to make a buck off the players and course. I know Ed Coffey tried doing something out there but I think he got real busy with MASSA back at the plantation. The Round Rock club or I should start that back up if Ed is still busy. I would be more than happy to run a one division handicapped league. I am thinking handicapped cause it would be more fun I think to play with a variety of people instead of segregated divisions like how most of the minis around here are.Thursday is a great day to do it. Cat Hollow is a dump compared to Wilco and we should get something together out there instead. If your going to use a week day for a mini it may as well be on a great course that doesn't have a mini instead of a pitch and putt course.

Thoughts....

Hellman.

handicapped mini sounds fun, and it is a great course, but there are seven days in a week, why choose a day that already has a mini just a few miles away? :confused:
You dont like a lot of courses, but some people still do, and I dont think you should compete with their efforts to get mini's going. How about Monday???

You aksed for em'
;)

I agree with Nix, Mike. Kitty Cat has been on thursday's for a long time and will be again after time change starting next week. Might want to get some feed back from others on what night/day would be best for everyone that is interested. just my thoughts. :D:D

he said Mike :D **** rookie

I agree that wilco is a much better course but the kitty on thursdays should continue on...We will have several more weeks at the kitty this year.. I like mondays for wilco as well.

he said Mike :D **** rookie

i kown, /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif rookie

The tee signs are very unique, the only information is the hole number. And according to the parks they paid $100 each�.that got robbed.
But they will work and I will suggestion a few options with the parks folks to add to the signs�like hole length.

Spell out the hole lengths with little rocks. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :cool:

I was thinking getting those stick on numbers( kinda like the ones that come in clock making kits)

I know this is the Wilco thread but I couldn't find one for the kitty. What's the entry fee, format, and usual turnout for the kitty mini on Thursday. I'm just wondering if I should fight traffic to make it out there today.

Cat hollow threads: The older one! (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=606225&amp;Main=146322#Post60 6225) The newer one (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=662742&amp;Main=662739#Post66 2742) :D

Thanks for sweeping that kitty litter away. ;)

Are you playing golf the "right way" yet?

handicapped mini sounds fun, and it is a great course, but there are seven days in a week, why choose a day that already has a mini just a few miles away? :confused:
You dont like a lot of courses, but some people still do, and I dont think you should compete with their efforts to get mini's going. How about Monday???

You aksed for em'
;)




Let's see....Wilco much better course, Cat hollow is not much of a doubles course now is it, Wilco is more private. The only reason anything got started at Cat Hollow was there was a new course in town and people were craving something new. I'm not competing with anybody to have a mini which part of the field did you grab that from... left?:confused: Wilco would be a hella lot more fun and that is ALL I was thinking anyway is the FUN part of playing minis. Just cause I think the course is a pitch and putt doesn't mean I don't like it, is that just another LEFT field remark or what. There are 7 days in a week....? Thanks for pointing that out but Mondays historically are not good mini days ie:first day of the work week, tournaments the weekend before usually makes for poor turnouts,usually a day off in the mini area of things. Tuesdays has the Pease mini, Weds has the rock mini, Fridays has the Seawright mini, Saturday has the Pease mini, Sunday has the rock and traveling mini. So that really only leaves Thursday, are you guys so much in love with that course you just can't bare to not play it on Thursdays, if so then I guess y'all are happy with mediocre DG... if you can call it that...

What day would you suggest pocket ace's boyeeee?


Hellman.

imho, minis down south shouldn't count too much when we are trying to figure out the best days for minis up north......there's only so many days in a week and this metro area's getting bigger by the day.

Either way, i'm playing at Wilco every Monday and every other Friday, casual or otherwise.....those days have my vote. :-)

Thursday is a great day to do it. Cat Hollow is a dump compared to Wilco and we should get something together out there instead. If your going to use a week day for a mini it may as well be on a great course that doesn't have a mini instead of a pitch and putt course.

Thoughts....

Hellman.



Pay attention Hellman. All of my comments were to rebut your points in this thread. I also think Wilco is a better course then the kitty, but I still like the kitty, and I still like playing the dubs out there on Thursday, and I think it is LAME to try to start a mini on the same day the mini is being held at the kitty- which is the CLOSEST course to Wilco. That is why you are trying to compete- There is already an established mini on Thursdays.

You are full of opinions, so you have to realize that other people probably have their own opinions as well. This comment is lame-

So that really only leaves Thursday, are you guys so much in love with that course you just can't bare to not play it on Thursdays, if so then I guess y'all are happy with mediocre DG... if you can call it that...


Another opinion, which is degrading to the people who are not on board with your idea. Try to make your point without these kind of comments, as they do not help you make your point.

It is cool to try to do something different, but the trick is to do something different without stepping on other peoples toes, or efforts.

My 2�
(opinions! :D)

SOMEONE make it Monday or Friday
Those are the best days

Monday for wilco!!!! Thursdays are at the kitty.. regardless of the quality of the course its the people that play the mini that make the mini, in my opinion....If you do not like a particular mini at a particular course on any particular day, simply do not play it !! :p

anyone know if wilco is open

yes wilco is open we played there yesterday

saw # 14 birdied yesterday :D;)

by who? :)

doubles team of JD and Blake, Jd threw the drive over by # 9's teeing area just left of the walking path and than Blake threw in a spike hyzer with his max. CRAZY

doubles team of JD and Blake, Jd threw the drive over by # 9's teeing area just left of the walking path and than Blake threw in a spike hyzer with his max. CRAZY


I thought this was the hole you said should be a par 3, why would you be so amazed by a 2 here?

because it is the only 2 i have seen on it, it is still an easy par 3 :o:eek: :D

You mean birdie 3 :p

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3308/flyeryf5.jpg

per the rain out # 943-3366 they say the couse is open but I find that hard to believe with the rain we just had this am :confused:

course $$ box was broke into again last friday. The city is still unsure what to do at this time but they are seriously thinking of pulling the baskets. We need to try and find out who is doing this so we can stick a FOOT up their [censored].. :mad:

What kind of piece of crap does this? He deserves more than a kick in the donkey. I certainly hope that if found, it is just a local kid doing kid things and not a disc golfer.

Unfortunately, I found a dollar in the fair way this weekend during warm ups this weekend. Looked like it had been folded up to put throught the slot in the money box :(. Sure hope we don't find out that it's a disc golfer - course with the kind of people leaving high life cans ALL over the course, what do we expect. Sux that the cauals are ruining it for the many competative disc golfer in the area!

We encountered some of those "courteous" casuals during our morning round on 'Sunday. Wow, they were so rude and nasty, I feel for you guys. When asked to quite down as we were putting out on another hole, they got louder and nasty with total disregard or respect for those playing. Wanting to agrue and banter at the drop of a hat.

We don't see that type of aggressive behavior in Houston, thank goodness!

Sure hope a few don't ruin it for everyone.

looks like the city/county needs to install a "safe" instead of a pad lock system to money box. As much as I hate to say it, it sounds like the person or persons stealing the cash are golfers. Maybe the county/city should also install a camera at the money box to moniter people. Sad that a wonderful course could be lost due to some really stupid and thoughtless people. But they should not be hard to spot, they would have to have a bolt cutter with them to cut off the lock. Can't hide that in your golf bag. Does anyone know time of day that the theft is being reported and what time of day does the park collect the cash?? It would be easier to spy on the box if we knew what time it was being hit&gt;&gt;!

the last heist was between 12:00 and 2:00 on Friday afternoon.

[censored]

Obvious solution: Snipers.

Obvious solution: Snipers.

the city is looking into that as an obtion and I get to be on the first shift.. I have killed a pretty mean turtle in my days :D

Yes sir you have. We could put Rusty in a tree as well.

the following is from Gordon

Attention Texas Disc Golfers,



As most of you know, almost all of our courses here in Texas are in public parks. As such, they are a privilege, not a right. (Heck, even our private courses are a privilege.) They exist at the pleasure of the Parks Departments as a service to their citizens/constituents and can be pulled out if they are mistreated and disrespected, as can any other item in a park.



Wilco is the newest course in Round Rock, and is part of a Williamson County Park. It has gotten rave reviews from the players and has served as the location for several tournament, including the recent TX Women�s Championships.



There have been a few incidents at Wilco recently that will likely result in the course being pulled out at least temporarily, and maybe permanently.



Twice the cash box has been broken into. This is where players, on the honor system, deposit a dollar per person to play the course. The funds go to the county parks dept, and probably flow right back into course maintenance.



One time, a group was spotted showing up when the course was closed (as the County does when there has been too much rain) and hitting/kicking the barrier that was blocking them � I�m not sure if they also crossed the barrier and played anyway.



Another time when the course was closed, a group was spotted going under the barrier and playing anyway.



Williamson County will not put up with this, and neither should we. These kinds of actions are detrimental to us all, and could lead to the permanent loss of this course. Maybe the cash box theft wasn�t by disc golfers (I�d like to think not), but maybe it was. The people going in to play when the course was obviously closed definitely were disc golfers.



Things like this happen at other courses as well, including the recent removal of an entire tree from one of the fairways at the Circle C course in Austin. As the disc golf community, we cannot allow these actions. We need to spread the word to all disc golfers, both casual and serious players, as well as make sure our own behaviors are appropriate. If we don�t watch out for our courses, we may not have them around for long, and then what will we do?



Respect for our parks! Respect for our courses! Respect for our fellow players!



If anyone has information about the Wilco perpetrators, please contact the Double R Disc Club (Vinnie Miller, vincent_miller@dell.com; Ed Coffey, ecoffey@alc-corp.com) or the Williamson County Parks Department or the Williamson County Sheriff�s Department.



If anyone has information about the illegal tree removal at Circle C, contact Waterloo Disc Golf Club (Gordon Maxim-Kelley, gordon@ventbird.com). We will act on it and/or turn things over to the Austin Parks Dept / Austin Parks Police Dept.



Thanks in advance for your help with these problems,



Gordon Maxim-Kelley

Waterloo Disc Golf Club

[QUOTE]
the following is from Gordon[QUOTE]


Hey, that's my line... :D

anyone who would risk getting themselves arrested for stealing a couple of bucks out of that money thing, is a complete LOSER

anyone who would leave can after can of "high life" all over the course, is a complete LOSER, how freaking simple is it to pack out empty cans?

$100 says the person or persons who did this have low self esteem and think the way to get "respect" from their peers is to screw things up for others.

if anyone reading this knows anything about the thefts....please pass the info on to the contacts above. lets keep our eyes and ears open!!!

wha'ts worse......ratting out the LOSERS? or remaining silent and allowing the LOSERS to cause the course to be closed?

I wish that it could be handled by easily alerting disc golfers that their actions would result in the lose of a course, but most of the perpetrators are players who are not involved in regular mini's and tournaments. They are generally casual players. This is not always true, but for the most part it is not the registered PDGA member.

And then if you do catch a group committing an act of vandalism, generally warning them of the consequences causes them to wait until you are not around and then they tear up the course. The simply truth is that most players think disc golf is free. They don't realize the local clubs had to scrimp and save to buy the baskets or put in 100's of hours to design a course and clean it. They feel they are intitled to play a course and if a putt is missed, the basket should be jumped on or if a tree limb is across the area they want to use for their approach it should be torn down.

Most vandal could care less of the fact that the hole was reviewed and studied to make it challenging and visually pleasing, they do not concern themselves with the fact that the baskets must last for years or that the trash left lieing on the course must be picked up by someone. A vandal will ignore the fact that a beautiful stretch of grass adds to the hole by driving their four wheelers onto the course and cut donuts into it.

These acts of vandalism are very rare on a ball golf course. Enough ranting......

It could be handled fairly easily by making sure courses were only on private property and charge $36 for a nine hole round with a cart. :D

2007 Games of Texas

Hosted by the Texas Amateur Athletic Federation and
Williamson County

Event: Disc Golf
When: July 28th 2007
Where: Williamson County DGC (Wilco)
Format: Two rounds of 18 holes for all divisions (one round for Juniors)
Check-In: 7:30-8:30am-- Players Meeting: 9:00am -- 1st round: 9:30am
TD: Mitch Justice
PDGA sanctioned �C� tier event

Offered Divisions:
Advanced Women, Adv. Men, Adv. Masters, Adv. Grand Masters, Intermediate Men, Int. Women, Recreational Men, Recreational Women, and Junior divisions (under 16,under 13, and under 10)

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Name______________________________________________ ___ PDGA#______________
Address___________________________________________ _________________________
City_________________________________ State_____________ Zip__________________
Phone (day) __________________________ (evening) _______________________________
Email_____________________________________________ __________________________

I would like to register to play in the _____________________ division.

Fees Enclosed:
___ $38.00 All Advanced divisions ($30 entry)
___ $28.00 All Intermediate divisions ($20 entry)
___ $23.00 All Recreational divisions ($15 entry)
___ $10.00 All Junior divisions ($2 entry)(please include date of birth)
___ $5.00 Non-PDGA fee *****
***** You must present your current PDGA card or pay an extra $5.00 fee to play this event.
***** Does not apply to Juniors

ALL FEES INCLUDE A $5 TAAF FEE/ A $2 PDGA FEE/AND $1 PARK FEE

You can register online at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or by mailing your registration form to:
Team Justice
3437 Cox Rd.
Blanco Texas 78606
Questions or Sponsorship�Please call (830) 392-6060 or send an email to teamjustice@moment.net


The course will be open for this one