Howdy all,

Now that this message board is "members post only", we should probably take a minute to see if things are any better than they were when anonymous posting was allowed.

I come up with "Eh. Marginally so."

I know that many members have tried the board and gone away for a variety of reasons. I would like to see this board become a useful resource for all disc golfers, and for more PDGA members to feel comfortable coming on board with us here.

Something that immediately jumps out at me is profanity on the message board. There really is no need for it. Now that we are member-only posting, we should be able to converse without swearing. i do know that swearing will keep some people away, and as disc golfers we should be striving to be inclusive.

Please no diatribes about members-only-posting being exclusive and not inclusive. Wide-open anonymous posting didn't work.

In any event, this is not a matter of censorship, but of respect. Respecting the other PDGA members that might want to ask questions about tournaments or rules but don't care for profanity.

I am currently using a "scorched Earth" policy when I find profanity on this message board. I am deleting the entire post and sending a message to the author. (I send a message most of the time, but might miss once in a while.) I believe that this gives the poster something to lose if they choose to slip in profanity: their post. Going in and censoring individual words just doesn't do it, as it is more like babysitting people who are then encouraged to see how much more they can get away with.

I really believe that there is no need to post profanity here on the PDGA DISCussion board. The "bad word list" does not cover all words nor does it find cute misspelllings, so the onus is on the poster to please not swear on this message board.

Repeated swearing will result in bans. I know some users will feel the need to test the limits of this policy, and they will incur day, week, or even lifetime bans from posting.

So please, I ask you all to join me in trying to make the PDGA DISCussion board a place for all PDGA members to come and enjoy. Please resist the urge to try and "get over" with misspellings. If you know someone who is hiding in the threads and swearing, please PM them and ask them to get with the program.

Comments, please.

Rhett

IF Rhett the Admin is from SoCal, does that mean that Rhett in SoCal is from Admin?

I thought I was seeing things when I spotted him at USDGC. I was going to ask him if he would sign my wife's buttox with a sharpie!
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that second line brought to you by the guy who wants to clean up the board

isnt there a term we could lookup on wikipedia that is used to describe that particular act??? i mean we wouldnt have to be quite so explicit that way! :D

The scorched Earth policy in all likelihood is going to spawn something ugly, just as a word of warning. It may not be too bad here, but I used to administer Student.com's forums with the same policy. Over there we see 600+ users online at a time, which is pretty much a zoo compared to the tame PDGA.

The most likely result will be someone or some group of people, comparing you to a certain German regime. Any time you censor something they say... they'll come back with a reason that that censorship is wrong. And when you consider the fact that not near all the PDGA members use the forums... I know three close friends (and a relative) that I could get passwords from and sign up usernames for the forums without their caring what I do at all.

Your argument on how the babysitting style and simply using the censorship built into the forums is a valid one, it is a hassle. The question is whether or not you're willing to deal with more than just a little profanity. The result of your new policy could result in some ugly arguments about things other than just profanity.

Hope that made sense, I'm half distracted by the Pistons' game on TV, haha...

G'day!

-Chris.

So Rhett, if you post a work like stupid and gets censored, but you don't changed the word "stupid", can you get banned???

Hey, that is not fair, I though I had a clever post and "Stupid" and "Censored" are no longer banned words.

How about DiscGolfUnited.com

Wow, I guess you really have to cuss to ge words blocked out now. Sorry, can't do it. Rhett, give me a non cuss work that I can use to get cendored.

Lame

I see nothing wrong with several words on the banned list!! IN my opinion its all about the perception and or iterpretation!! I my self do use certain words that may be deemed as profane by some!! In my opinion they are merely strong adjectives!! If you perceive something as profane that does not mean it is actually profanity !! what are the FCC standards concerning profanity?? Just curious!! Would that not be a proper standard !! How can you say that words synonomous with female dog, mule , etc, etc. are profanity? There are many different facets to our population and no matter what you say someone will probably be offended without intent, of course!! The is purely in the perception of the person that is offended!! In no way have I intend to offend anyone by anything I say on here or in real life!! I am not that type of person!! If anyone is ever offended by anything I say on here I sincerely apologize and had no intent of offending you!! I strongly feel that swearing is a minimal problem and there are much bigger fish to kill!! I have read countless posts with truely offensive content such as sexist, racial ,religious, and other posts of malicious intent!! I remember a few years ago when our president went to a foreign country and gave a big thumbs up to the masses and they perceived his gesture far differently than his gestures intent!!Can you see my point?? For that matter you can look at the ever growing generation gaps, Different strokes for different folks!!For example , my buddy makes an incredible shot and I respond by saying that was f'n sick!! How many interpretations do you think we could get out of that?? It was actually a huge compliment!! :D

Pizza, you have it a little backwards. "Intent" and banning will come into play if you insist on doing things like writing "c3ns0red" so that it doesn't get filtered. Having a word filtered and leaving "I'm a potty mouth" thing there won't get you in trouble with me.

About the banned word list: it is changing. There are some words on there that I don't believe should be banned.

Those are good points about defining profanity, ES. Right now I can't see any good reason for posting swear words here on a message board about disc golf. Yes I've done it myself in the past, but that doesn't change things.

I got in trouble with Rhett for posting a non-banned word.
All I was trying to do was see if it was banned...but you can't find that out until it is posted. Don't you think it would be better if you put the "I'm a potty mouth" during the post preview (that is saying that everyone previews their posts...don't they?)

That way we would know we are posting something offensive BEFORE it actually gets posted on the board.

I would have known during the preview that the CS word was a legit word on the board and wouldn't have need to post it to find out.

Seems odd to me that we would ban a word that means a "bundle of sticks" and yet, allow a word that seems to have no other meaning than the obvious connotation.

look, you should know better than to suck #$*&$!. try a titty instead!

:o

Thanks Sandalman...I'll take that under advisement!

I know this falls on deaf ears, but here goes anyway.

The PDGA should not feel responsible for what is posted on the DISCussion board. It is far too big of a responsiblitly, and it will be the ineveitable doom of the board. First they tell us who can and cant post. Now they are telling us what words are okay, and what words arent. It is a never ending battle, and the losers are all of the participants of the board.

Rhett- You can find no good reason to use profanity on the board, but you have done it yourself. Does something have to make sense to you in order for their to be a legitimate reason to it? Are you that full of yourself?

The problem is it really does not matter what position the PDGA takes on what is said on DISCussion, potential sponsors, parents of interested children, and others will think that what is said on DISCussion is a reflection of the PDGA.

Rhett- You can find no good reason to use profanity on the board, but you have done it yourself. Does something have to make sense to you in order for their to be a legitimate reason to it? Are you that full of yourself?


But the times they are a-changin'.

Current PDGA members stay away from the message board. Current posters get mad if you politely ask them not to use the f-bomb.

Is it possible for the DISCusssion board to exist as resource of the PDGA without it alienating PDGA members? That's the $64k question.

#$*&$! that!

The PDGA is trying too hard to control the message board...I use profanity on a daily basis, if someone gets offended by a curse word than so be it. Granted, there are certain words that are really vulgar and should not be used at any time, but give me a frikin break.

If someone gets offended by a post or thread they should stop reading it and logoff!

The PDGA message board is the only board I use that is censored....He11, the PDGA will change thread topics because they feel it makes them look bad, LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME #$%&#$*&@!

[qoute]If someone gets offended by a post or thread they should stop reading it and logoff!

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I think that is the scenario they are trying to avoid.

I would prefer the person that can't keep a civil keyboard stop typing and logoff.

Treat it like you are talking to kids at church. You never know who will be reading or what their background is.

10 reasons for swearing

#1 Its a fine mark of manliness
#2 it proves that I have self-control
#3 It pleasess Mother so much
#4 It indicates how clearly my mind operates
#5 it makes my conversations so pleasing to everybody
#6 It leaves no doubt in anyone's mind as to my good breeding
#7 It impresses people that I have more than an ordinary education.
#8 It's an unmistakable sign of culture and refinement
#9 It makes me desirable personally among women and children in respectable society
#10 It's my way of honoring God, who said, "Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain"



I have this posted at my store.

Also posted is rule #71 Do not use profanity in the store at any time for any reason.

My favorate thing to tell employee is this.

Profanity is a sign of ingorance.

Treat it like you are talking to kids at church. You never know who will be reading or what their background is.



Personally, the thought of kids reading a message board does not cross my mind and never will. The majority of golfers on this board could care or less about profanity. Maybe if I had kids I might look at it differently.

This is a public forum and I believe people should be able to say what they want without the PDGA changing the topic or deleting a post because it has a common 4 letter word.

What's wrong with a PG-13 message board, I refuse to act like I'm in Church.

Profanity is a sign of ingorance.

Profanity is a sign of ingorance.



That's pretty narrow minded.

Personally I think spitting out a bunch of words to give the illusion that you are intelligent, yet you couldn't even spell the words if i paid you, is a sign of ignorance.

I could probably get onboard with " Profanity is a sign of laziness" :D

Personally, the thought of kids reading a message board does not cross my mind and never will. The majority of golfers on this board could care or less about profanity. Maybe if I had kids I might look at it differently.


I would like to see more PDGA members use this board than currently do. That means I don't want this board to be a Christian Fellowship nor a Satanic Fellowship nor a Swearing Fellowship nor a Latin Speaking Fellowship.

It should be about disc golf.

All IMHO.

Profanity is a sign of ingorance.



Maybe you should write a sermon and preach to the masses about cursing and ignorance :p I'm sure you would convert many souls to your way of thinking. You can practice on your employees, HAH!!!!!

I guess I should point out that I am not for the use of profanity in certain settings. One of those settings would be in a place where you are not sure who could be listening or reading. This discussion board would qualify as that.

I see your point, Scott...there are some things on this board that kids should not be reading, mostly adult humor that a kid would not understand anyway but it's probably still innapropriate.

I see your point, Scott...there are some things on this board that kids should not be reading, mostly adult humor that a kid would not understand anyway but it's probably still innapropriate.



it is kind of ironic that we are considerate about kids (or is it wanting to look our Sunday best to sponsors sent to this site?) to the point that we censor out profanity, yet we don't encourage (let alone allow) non-members to post here.

the best solution is to leave the top PDGA section as members-only and to open up the rest of the board to anyone with a valid email to which their id can be tied. if people abuse the privilege ban them (same as has been done with members)

when the pdga logo gets www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com) printed on it, this will be where persons interested in disc golf will come. if they can post and DISCuss they are likely to learn and get hooked and eventually join the PDGA. if they can't post they probably won't come back much. hasn't DISCussion board use dropped off quite a bit since we went members-only?

Theo said the Board was still considering opening up parts decision of our board to non member partcipation. Rhett, do you know if that possibility still has any vital signs?

Profanity is a sign of ingorance.



Almost ..................my dad used to say "

Profanity is the result of a feeble mind , trying to express itself forcefully. :eek:

open up the rest of the board to anyone with a valid email to which their id can be tied. if people abuse the privilege ban them



How quickly they forget.

The inability to effectively ban disruptive members is what led to this in the first place. If all that you need is a verifiable email address, I have about 10 now, and can get as many more as I need to keep posting whenever I need them. I can use any name I wish, and state that I live pretty much anywhere in the world.

How can you enforce a ban under those conditions ?

Now, you have to be verified by a number that is generated by the PDGA that goes with you PDGA number. You can't just get a new one when it gets banned.

you simply delete posts that appear that are abusive. that takes away the appeal. you still have a section where it is members-only for those who aren't up to tolerating immature posters.

it seems to me the quality of posts hasn't improved since we went members-only but the number of posts has gone way down. :confused:

you simply delete posts that appear that are abusive. that takes away the appeal. you still have a section where it is members-only for those who aren't up to tolerating immature posters.

it seems to me the quality of posts hasn't improved since we went members-only but the number of posts has gone way down. :confused:



Where have you been, when has that ever stopped anyone.

you simply delete posts that appear that are abusive. that takes away the appeal. you still have a section where it is members-only for those who aren't up to tolerating immature posters.


Don't you remember how much fun quite a number of posters have had with that scheme throughout the ages? Running around in circles with great delight while moderators tried to chase after them, all the while making the board less and less useable to people interested in disc golf.


it seems to me the quality of posts hasn't improved since we went members-only but the number of posts has gone way down. :confused:


Yeah, I agree. It's like it's hardly worth having a discussion board at all, wouldn't you say?

I think somebody is trying to change that, and that might even be why this thread is here.

I'm having a hard time understanding where you are going with that last piece I quoted. Are you saying that the quality of posts here is low, so we should just forget about it and go back to a lot more low-quality posts because it's pointless to try and improve the quality of the posts?

How can a potential Sponsor read the board if they are not MEMBERS?

******soap box*******

Ok, think about it, who uses profanity the most. A businessman or a ditch digger???

Who has more education?????

I have only had to fire one employee for profanity; most I can break pretty quick.

It has ZERO to do with preaching and more to do with customer service.

I have never really cussed. No reason for it.

One of my teachers actually stated the "profanity is a sign of ignorance" and it has always stuck with me.

When I hear some one cuss, I do look down on them. No matter how they dress, what they drive or how much they make. To me they are just trailer park trash at that point.

I would say that is true for more people that you really think.

And yes, I have corrected players on my card during a tournament. Actually I don't even realize I do it. Because of that, Ben Poole cusses at me every time he sees me in jest.

Post deleted for swearing. A shame, really, since it had a lot of good content, too.

Hmmm, so its cool to run around calling people names like trailor trash that you know absolutley nothing about but its not cool for someone to throw an F-bomb at you for doing that.

They have a word for people like that but, since my vocabulary is mostly four letter words, I don't want to embarrass myself by trying to spell it. I'd go get the dictionary but it's over at Maw's trailor on the other side of the park. :D

Hmmm, so its cool to run around calling people names like trailor trash that you know absolutley nothing about but its not cool for someone to throw an F-bomb at you for doing that.

They have a word for people like that but, since my vocabulary is mostly four letter words, I don't want to embarrass myself by trying to spell it. I'd go get the dictionary but it's over at Maw's trailor on the other side of the park. :D



dang, you said that awful well :D
the same classist ignorance which leads to labels like 'trailer trash' also enables white collar criminals to hold high offices and rob us all blind while we applaud them for their patriotic drivel.

"Profanity is a sign of ingorance. "

what is badspelling a sign of? that's way too funny! :D

Rhett, i think your aggrandizing the abusers of the past. The price for free speech is you have to take the bad with the good. this members-only policy as a blanket policy for every section on the board is myopic.

open up part of the board to anyone so that newbies are encouraged to visit and keep coming back. keep part of the board members-only for those who don't want to deal with all the garbage that free speech sometimes leads to. part of the board open; part of the board members-only.

go to any Major League Baseball team's message board via www.mlb.com (http://www.mlb.com) and you'll find all kinds of garbage as well as a whole lot of knowledgeable fans sharing their love for the game with each other. The moderators over there have a lot more to deal with than this board can even dream about. Why do you suppose Major League Baseball doesn't make their site 'members-only'? LOL

How can a potential Sponsor read the board if they are not MEMBERS?


Anybody can read the message board.

Only PDGA members can post.

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That's pretty narrow minded.

Personally I think spitting out a bunch of words to give the illusion that you are intelligent, yet you couldn't even spell the words if i paid you, is a sign of ignorance.

I could probably get onboard with " Profanity is a sign of laziness"






"Profanity is a sign of ingorance. "

what is badspelling a sign of? that's way too funny!



:D

Aviar-X,

I was hoping you would reply to my previous question before we moved on to the next topic.

which question was that?

******soap box*******

When I hear some one cuss, I do look down on them. No matter how they dress, what they drive or how much they make. To me they are just trailer park trash at that point.

I would say that is true for more people that you really think.





Isn't that kind of like saying that I view all long haired men as pot heads, trouble makers and the like? Seems like a very norrow minded point of view to me, but I'm glad to see that you look down on 90% of the population based on a few words that come out of their mouth /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

It is interesting that you state that profanity is a sign of ignorance. I really can not hop on board with that. I know that I'm relatively intelligent and I enjoy the fact that I am well-read, that I have a large vocabulary, and that I know what I am talking about in most social situations, crossing most topics... the fact that I swear does not make me ignorant.

In all reality swearing is a part of my general lexicon, as it is for many of my peers. It is becoming less and less a sign of ignorance as much as a sign of laziness, as has already been stated and holds far more weight than your sieve-like argument. Swearing tends to be used as a way of describing things without actually taking the time to think up proper descriptors.

"That shot was ****in' sweet, yo..."

As opposed to:

"That was a remarkable huck, chap."

As a sign of laziness... most people tend to fall back on swear words such as #$*&$!, #$*&$!, ****... instead of remarkable, amazing, incredible... Single syllable words that flow from the mouth quicker and fall easily into general statements.

Swearing may well be a very good sign of laziness in a person's mind, but most definitely not ignorance.


-Chris.
Thank the lord for histories and caches... w00t...

Recommendation for Rhett
You saw with my post that I assumed my word would be censored, and when that particular variation of the eff-bomb was not it was eliminated via the new "scorched earth" policy.

So how many more fractions of a second would it take for a CTRL+C --> CTRL+V... send the guy a copy of his original post and instead of stating how it was removed and with a quote of the line, simply ask for a removal of swearing... it would save longer posts that are somewhat decent from being lost forever.


-Chris.

"Profanity is a sign of ingorance. "

what is badspelling a sign of? that's way too funny! :D



No, that is a typo, although, I can't spell worth a darn, and never could.

Isn't that kind of like saying that I view all long haired men as pot heads, trouble makers and the like? Seems like a very norrow minded point of view to me, but I'm glad to see that you look down on 90% of the population based on a few words that come out of their mouth .



Trust me, I get it all the time. Same as people thinking I smoke because I play Disc golf.

Actually, maybe it is because of the crowd and people I deal with, but I rarely hear cuss words in general conversation.

But, I do tend to view people differently that do cuss in normal conversation.

Isn't that kind of like saying that I view all long haired men as pot heads, trouble makers and the like? Seems like a very norrow minded point of view to me, but I'm glad to see that you look down on 90% of the population based on a few words that come out of their mouth .



Trust me, I get it all the time. Same as people thinking I smoke because I play Disc golf.

Actually, maybe it is because of the crowd and people I deal with, but I rarely hear cuss words in general conversation.

But, I do tend to view people differently that do cuss in normal conversation.


If you hear the terms...
Wanker
Bloody
Darn
or any references to defecation (poop, crap, etc.)

What is your reaction?

Hmmm, so its cool to run around calling people names like trailor trash that you know absolutley nothing about but its not cool for someone to throw an F-bomb at you for doing that.


I didn't call anyone trailor trash, only that my personal view of potty mouths is one of trailer trash.

There is no reason for it.

Name one good reason for cussing please?

I see nothing wrong with several words on the banned list!! IN my opinion its all about the perception and or iterpretation!! I my self do use certain words that may be deemed as profane by some!! In my opinion they are merely strong adjectives!! If you perceive something as profane that does not mean it is actually profanity !! what are the FCC standards concerning profanity?? Just curious!! Would that not be a proper standard !! How can you say that words synonomous with female dog, mule , etc, etc. are profanity? There are many different facets to our population and no matter what you say someone will probably be offended without intent, of course!! The is purely in the perception of the person that is offended!! In no way have I intend to offend anyone by anything I say on here or in real life!! I am not that type of person!! If anyone is ever offended by anything I say on here I sincerely apologize and had no intent of offending you!! I strongly feel that swearing is a minimal problem and there are much bigger fish to kill!! I have read countless posts with truely offensive content such as sexist, racial ,religious, and other posts of malicious intent!! I remember a few years ago when our president went to a foreign country and gave a big thumbs up to the masses and they perceived his gesture far differently than his gestures intent!!Can you see my point?? For that matter you can look at the ever growing generation gaps, Different strokes for different folks!!For example , my buddy makes an incredible shot and I respond by saying that was f'n sick!! How many interpretations do you think we could get out of that?? It was actually a huge compliment!! :D


Isn't the freedom of expression a great thing!? censorship will never completely succeed!! It's a freakin discgolf forum , be realistic!!

If you hear the terms...
Wanker
Bloody
Darn
or any references to defecation (poop, crap, etc.)

What is your reaction?




Actually, most of those make me laugh.

I am only talking about words that can't be said on TV.

I will tell you I am the first to always laugh at inuendoes.

I am also known for being able to make almost anything sound dirty. (I can't do it as manager/owner anymore, little thing called sexual harrasment)

All done without cussing.

Words I use

Dang
Dangit
Shoot

No I do not use Fudge.

#$*&$! is another work I have no problem with depending on the situation.

#$*&$! is not a good word, and I can't see how it could ever be used in a forum like this.

BTW, the two words that show up as #$*&$! were both words used to discrible people who bat for the other team.

the first one is G. I have no problem with this word in most situations.

On the other hand F is rairly used in humor, it is a much meaner word.

A footman may swear; but he cannot swear like a lord. He can swear as often: but can he swear with equal delicacy, propriety, and judgment? ~ Jonathan Swift

Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. ~ Mark Twain

Here is the piece. If you can't say fornicate can you say copulate or if not that can you say co-habit? If not that would have to say consummate I suppose. Use your own good taste and judgment. ~ Ernest Hemingway

If profanity had an influence on the flight of the ball, the game of golf would be played far better than it is. ~ Horace G. Hutchinson

Let us swear while we may, for in Heaven it will not be allowed. ~ Mark Twain

Good quotes, shows that this conversation has been going on for 100's of years.

The only reason I can think of is to simplify a conversation just like using any slang does. There really doesn't need to be a reason, it is just words. I understand that these words are offensive to some people, so I can agree that it is inappropriate to use profanity in certain settings. It has absolutely nothing to do with someones intelligence though, nor does living in a trailor park for that matter.

The thing is... Words like dang and dangit... They're the *SAME WORDS* only masked. They mean the same thing, they're used in the same situation. They are only different because over the past 50 years they have slowly but surely become more accepted for common use.

Use of those words shows an ignorance just as strong as any "OH ****" exclamation, any half-breathed and irritated comment of "****"

Insert any word you look down on one for using within those asterisks.


-Chris.

Actually, it is pretty smart to live in a trailer. You can get a trailer for under $10K used, most trailer parks I know of charge anywhere from $100 to $400 a month for a lot.

You can live MUCH cheaper than an apartment and use that money else where.

One of my drivers (who lived in a trailer in Carrollton), now rents his ex-wifes old trailer for $100 a month plus bills in east Texas. He is now retired, no longer needing a job to eat.

Does he cuss like a sailor too :D

One of my drivers (who lived in a trailer in Carrollton), now rents his ex-wifes old trailer for $100 a month plus bills in east Texas. He is now retired, no longer needing a job to eat.


<font color="blue"> wow, just think how much smarter and classier he could become simply by moving out! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font>



The poverty of our century is unlike that of any other. It is not, as poverty was before, the result of natural scarcity, but of a set of priorities imposed upon the rest of the world by the rich. Consequently, the modern poor are not pitied but written off as trash. The twentieth-century consumer economy has produced the first culture for which a beggar is a reminder of nothing.
-- John Berger 1926-, British Actor, Critic

ok pizza dog...your use of GOD in your name on the board has always been funny to me...#$*&$! you you #$*&$!

wow...me and father Dave are much happier now...#$*&$! #$*&$! #$*&$! #$*&$! #$*&$! :eek:

Actually, it is pretty smart to live in a trailer...smart? :eek:

and i almost forgot...#$*&$! you bryan

and i almost forgot...#$*&$! you bryan



LMAO!

I went back and thought about PG's views on this and I'm not really surprised by his statement now that I think about it. Bryan and I have never had a problem face to face, but it kind of makes me laugh now to know that he walks off thinking I'm trash because I say "bad" words. It really just adds to the BJ legend here in the DFW area. I have come to his defense on many occasions, saying he really isn't that bad of a guy, but this just floors me. I'm actually a little bothered by the whole thing. I just can not believe you are that close minded, what do you think of minorities when they walk down the street?? (I know that may be a stretch, but it really falls under the same category if you think about it.)







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Well, to be honest, it bothers me, but I deal with it. I ain't no saint. I was only trying to prove a point that yet again did not work. I may be the most honest open minded person you will ever meet.

Actually Jason, I admire all the work you do for Disc golf in Arlington and Cedar Hill. I also admire the fact that you too are in business for yourself. I don't really like the potty mouth, but I just ignor it. Now the first time we met, that may have been a little different.

What the heII?

Well, to be honest, it bothers me, but I deal with it. I ain't no saint. I was only trying to prove a point that yet again did not work. I may be the most honest open minded person you will ever meet.

Actually Jason, I admire all the work you do for Disc golf in Arlington and Cedar Hill. I also admire the fact that you too are in business for yourself. I don't really like the potty mouth, but I just ignor it. Now the first time we met, that may have been a little different.

honest? yes. open-minded? you gotta be kidding me.

I appreciate what Rhett and the PDGA Discussion Board administrators are attempting to do. The use of profanity has become way too common place. It is a sad commentary not just of our sport, but of the state of our civilization. It often can be a sign of laziness, ignorance, or elation, or utter disgust. More than anything it is a sign of a lack of good character. I would assume the majority of us have used it on occasion. I know I have. I would also assume all of us, and all our conversations, would be better without the use of it.

The generation gap appears to be getting bigger and bigger!!It's almost hilarious how closed minded some people are , except when they are the ones making decisions that affect our lives!! Then it is scary!! :p

The problem is it really does not matter what position the PDGA takes on what is said on DISCussion, potential sponsors, parents of interested children, and others will think that what is said on DISCussion is a reflection of the PDGA.



I totally disagree. Any person who makes their way to the message board of a website realizes the posts made are by the average joe-blow and not a representative of the organazation it belongs to. That is ridiculous! Anyone who uses the internet knows this!! It is standard across the web!

I would say anyone who understands the internet knows this.

Anyone that knows the internet well also understands the concept of moderated discussion groups.

Can anyone explain why profanity is required to get a point across ?

It goes along with the voluntary ban (staying off the message board just because you were told you had been banned) system we had in place before members only. Banned posters stayed off the board because they had been asked to. There was no real method to prevent them from making a new ID and posting more.

Now everyone has been asked nicely and repeatedly to not use profanity and to not use clever misspellings that suggest profanity. The few that cannot resist upsetting their host will again cause the majority a problem.

The problem is it really does not matter what position the PDGA takes on what is said on DISCussion, potential sponsors, parents of interested children, and others will think that what is said on DISCussion is a reflection of the PDGA.




I totally disagree. Any person who makes their way to the message board of a website realizes the posts made are by the average joe-blow and not a representative of the organazation it belongs to. That is ridiculous! Anyone who uses the internet knows this!! It is standard across the web!



Here is a letter to a TD from a potential sponsor that was TD posted on the MFA message board.

<font color="red">
Hi Adam,

Thanks for your inquiry for tournament sponsorship, As you know we have a new product line and are seeking ways to get our name out to the public, You requested a cash and product donation to use for your tournament this summer. If this were a market we would like pursue we see no reason not to invest time and money with you. Since we are not too familiar with the sport of Disc Golf thank you for sending us a link to the MFA web page. The web page looked great it was very well laid out, and had lots of great pictures and information. We also took it upon ourselves to sign up and look at the yahoo group discussion page to get a feel for what disc golf related items people were talking about. We were very disappointed / shocked in some of the posts people were submitting, did you say this sport was for all ages. At this time we would not be interested in supporting any of your events.

Sincerely </font>


Potential sponsors can still get a lasting first impression.

Dang, use of double negatives, bad puctuation, incomplete sentences ...... I wouldn't want them to sponsor my tourney. They are appearently a very unedumacated company and i wouldnt want to promote their lazy business. :D

yeah they went to a yahoo discussion forum for insights into the character of the sport. if they woulda gone to the yahoo discussion forums on virtually any publicly traded stock, let alone governmental system, they probably would have sdecided that this planet is not one on which they wish to continue to stay.

braniacs!

exactly, probably it is something like an internet-generation-gap in which *some* older people don't realize the tenor of practicly all internet message boards. go to a major league baseball website and read the posts. there's plenty of intelligent, thoughtful, informed opinions there if you wade through the muck. the moderators there have plenty to do and creative people find ways to play with the line. people get banned and come back in a new form (24 hour waiting period before a new id gets posting privileges).

you don't make abuse impossible -- you simply make it less convenient and you erase it when it's found.

to sacrifice the new members who would get interested through the interaction of posting questions and coming back here to our DISCussion board as they acclimate to disc golf in favor of banning a few immature fringe elements seems misguided to me. set up a members-only section of the board (present top section) and let people who are appalled by what freedom leads to have a sanctuary from it and so there is a place where tournament info can be safeguarded from abuse. leave half the board Open so that you cast a wide net and catch some good with all that bad.

noone seems to address the option of our having both -- part open and part members-only :confused:

It was addressed. Both Gary and Rhett said open was tried and didn't work. The problems had in moderating an open forum wouldn't be any different if it was a part of the board instead of the whole forum.

It was addressed. Both Gary and Rhett said open was tried and didn't work. The problems had in moderating an open forum wouldn't be any different if it was a part of the board instead of the whole forum.



having the DISCussion either open or closed is not trying out the third superior option of having the top half members-only and the bottom half open to all (newbies, former members who have moved on or gotten injured, international disc golfers, educators, passers-by, etc).

I know of far more parents and sponsors turned off by going to the actual course and seeing drug use and excessive drinking. I have heard TD's use far worse language in players meetings than the talk that is on this board. I hope parents or sponsors aren't around when player's miss putts inside the circle.

Most of the questionable content on this message board is under the MISC. category. That is probably not the first place a new player or interested sponsor is going to look. I think that the board should have clear guidelines of what the banned words are. Then everyone needs to behave themselves.

I just think we have far bigger public relations issues as a sport than this message board. But we continually hear that the message board has done so much damage to the sport. I think we all should try to do what we can to clean up the perceived image of disc golf on all levels.

How can a potential Sponsor read the board if they are not MEMBERS?


Anybody can read the message board.

Only PDGA members can post.



Nobody will read the message board without an account, mostly because the default display preferences make it quite awful to view. Try logging out and reading the message board - it's very hard on the eyes.

If you want people to actually read the PDGA Message Board and encourage people to join the PDGA, make the default display the Infopop style sheet (skin) as well as the following:

Default display mode: Flat mode
Default view: Collapsed threads
Total parent posts to show per page: 99
Total posts to show on one page when viewing a post in flat mode: 99
TextArea columns: 60
TextArea rows: 5

It is a sad commentary not just of our sport, but of the state of our civilization.



It will be interesting to see what this show has to say about who is dragging down the quality of discussion. Tonight 10pm EST/9pm CST

"That's So Rude: What Happened to Manners in America?"
Inappropriate cell phone use; bad language; disrespectful people; out-of-control bosses.

I run dozens of online communities; probably more than 100. And I am on at least twice as many which are run by others.

Not one of them has even a tiny fraction of the inappropriate postings that this forum has, except for NEFA and Southern Nationals, and they're not as bad as DISCussion - and when they are it's often the same people.

Apparently the above sentence has been misunderstood. Read as intended, it says that the NEFA and SN forums have only a *tiny fraction* of the bad stuff that sometimes ends up here, d'oh! I think the NEFA and SN forums are great and the SN especially often shows a caring sense of community that I admire, even though it can get nasty when people cast aspersions on SN leadership.

I've been the administrator for the College and University Webmasters list since 2000. There are 2,000 subscribers and there can be upwards of 100 posts a day, with 50 not uncommon.

That list has never had an obscene word posted on it, it has never had a personal attack posted on it, there has never even been a flame war of any kind on it.

Note that people who do web work are not the oldest people around! What's different in that group is that everyone understands how important it is, in order to maximize the value for all users, to not behave in those kinds of ways.

If there are so many other forums on which it is okay to post vulgar and inappropriate stuff, then post that stuff there. This is the forum of the Professional Disc Golf Association and, as others have noted, the word "Professional" does not mean folks who play for money but who play with professional attitude and character.

There is no reason why DISCussion cannot reflect that instead of attacks and obscenities, and every reason that it should.

<font size=1>Sarcasm on</font>
But Terry! This is the internet! We can do whatever we want, whenever we want! Our rights! Our Freedoms!
<font size=1>Sarcasm off</font>

<font size=1>Sarcasm off</font>



Come on, Tony. We know you never really turn the sarcasm off. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I agree whole heartedly with Terry. If you can't express yourself without swearing, you lose the argument.

We have been having the same discussion/debate on our local forums. Disc golf is still an unknown quantity in my state. Our local site is actually a state-wide site and is great for state-wide discussion. The site administrators want to use it for promotional purposes when solisiting new courses.

However, there are a small group of guys out there who believe that our forums exist only for them to say whatever they feel like. When anyone tells them that their topic or language isn't appropriate, they squeal about their "free speech" rights. No one MAKES you read or post to a discussion board. If you can't play by the rules, take it somewhere else. It's just that simple.

wow...consider me cleaned up...I would like to thank everyone for pointing out my obvious shortcomings(on the board and in person)...no more stupid posts from this guy(my wife was locked out when I was) :o...I will need to put flyboy,morgan, and pizza dork back on my ignore list :D

I think I would leave Morgan on it :D

look, you should know better than to suck #$*&$!. try a titty instead!



<font color="red">LM</font>FA<font color="red">O! </font>

:D

We should have 2 discussion boards; one for the well mannered goodie twoshoes who are respectful to other users on the board. These people don't cuss or swear and they never criticize the PDGA because they know the PDGA is never wrong.

The other board should be used by people who are not offended by the F-Bomb, are interested in reading how the PDGA fails in some areas without the post/thread getting deleted or modified, and people who can take constructive criticism without flying off the handle (gimp).

;)

Please provide a recent example of a post being deleted for criticizing the PDGA.

Your whole premise is wrong, dude.

Premise wrong?

I have not seen it recently but it has happenned before. Entire threads have been deleted and I've seen it. Just ask Grunion :eek:

The most recent example of modifying a thread would be my "PDGA Ignores Emails" thread which got changed to "Email Communication with the PDGA". The PDGA did not like the criticism and decided to change the title of the thread, WHY??? Is it so wrong to speak the truth? I got ignored for the last time and decided to start a thread about how the PDGA treats members emails. Dave Gentry actually emailed me a few weeks after I started the thread asking what my question was, I replied promptly to his email and did not get a response back from him until a few days later. Some people claim to get a response the day of, I guess I should be glad I atleast got a response back, FOR ONCE. :confused:

Anybody can read the email thread I started and see that there was no response from any person that presented a solution to the problem. There were only excuses, excuses and more excuses about volunteers, hundreds of emails come in daily, sometime emails get lost in the shuffle, sometimes people input their email address incorrectly BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Maybe the next generation of Disc Golfers will have a different experience with the PDGA (crossing fingers).

Ha, let's look at the facts.

It's not a matter of not liking criticism, it is a matter of the thread subject incorrectly claiming as a fact something which is not true.

Your thread title, "PDGA Ignores Emails," stated as a fact a negative assertion that was not a fact. Why should it have been allowed to persist, erroneously oozing its negativity?

Matt Drudge does that a lot with headlines on the Drudge Report (Where I start my online day every morning.)- I mean putting a label on something that creates a negative effect regardless of what the content inside is.

Ignore: "To not pay attention to something on purpose" - Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignore.

Ignore: "To refuse to pay attention to; disregard." - Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ignore.

Cleaning up the thread title to a calmer and fairer subject line is simply a matter of not allowing the PDGA's resource to be used to unfairly and erroneously portray the PDGA.

If you had titled the thread: "Sometimes the PDGA doesn't answer my emails right away," we'd have a different story. But "ignore" in every way means intentional, which is a statement that we have staff and volunteers who deliberately refuse to acknowledge emails. And that's not fair.

Along with the 2,000+ emails I get every day, I send more than a hundred individual ones out; not getting a response doesn't lead me to make a blanket statement about the nonresponding organization that it is "ignoring" me.

P.S. Nearly every "deleted" thread is actually "moved" to where we administrators can see it if we choose, but you can't. Evidence. There's nothing in there that was deleted just because it was critical of the PDGA.

Please provide a recent example of a post being deleted...



Rhett,

I sent a PM to your other login concerning a matter similar to this. I did not know how often you log in as the Admin, but I am just dropping you a reminder.




Does my signature reflect negatively on the PDGA ;)???

We should have 2 discussion boards; one for the well mannered goodie twoshoes who are respectful to other users on the board. These people don't cuss or swear and they never criticize the PDGA because they know the PDGA is never wrong.

The other board should be used by people who are not offended by the F-Bomb, are interested in reading how the PDGA fails in some areas without the post/thread getting deleted or modified, and people who can take constructive criticism without flying off the handle (gimp).

;)



Connors this would not work because most of the WMGT's would be spending most their time in the "R" rated discussion side trying to push their moral judgments on sinners like you.... :cool:... Even if it required a special password to enter, curiosity would kill the cat. And though you told them not to go, you would be responsible for their moral downfall if they failed to heed your warning... :(

I think the best thing to do at the Am worlds this year is to include a bar of soap and some duck tape in the players pack just in case someone accidentally says the "do-do" word out on the course. Just stick the soap in and tape their mouth shut. Instead of the "Scorched Earth" policy we'll call it "Mr Bubble's Revenge". Maybe that way all the sponsors would be able to tell who the bad people are and the WMGT's would not have to bear the embarrassment caused by some of their fellow PDGA members. :cool:

I have a request. Can the admins please delete the blank pages at the end of threads? I imagine it happens from deleting posts. It gets pretty annoying to open a thread to read and have to search back 4 or 5 pages to actually find one that has posts on it.

Can the admins please delete the blank pages at the end of threads?



That's what i call cleaning up DISCussion.





What the bored board volunteers are doing now is called censoring, which is fine with me because it's written in the 2006 PDGA DISCussion Board rule book.

Please provide a recent example of a post being deleted...



Rhett,

I sent a PM to your other login concerning a matter similar to this. I did not know how often you log in as the Admin, but I am just dropping you a reminder.


When a post is moved to the Deleted Posts area, all replies move with it. This scorches the earth a little more than going in and blasting the content of the post. If you weren't taking part in the misspelled word du jour and your post was deleted, it is because you were replying to a misspelled word du jour post. Sorry, but I haven't heard a good reason for swearing on here yet so those types of things can happen.

How'bout "Swearing is fun"? Also who determines if a word should be deleted? You? :confused:

I like the job you are doing Rhett and Terry.

Keep up the good work.

Premise wrong?

I have not seen it recently but it has happenned before. Entire threads have been deleted and I've seen it. Just ask Grunion :eek:

The most recent example of modifying a thread would be my "PDGA Ignores Emails" thread which got changed to "Email Communication with the PDGA". The PDGA did not like the criticism and decided to change the title of the thread, WHY??? Is it so wrong to speak the truth? I got ignored for the last time and decided to start a thread about how the PDGA treats members emails. Dave Gentry actually emailed me a few weeks after I started the thread asking what my question was, I replied promptly to his email and did not get a response back from him until a few days later. Some people claim to get a response the day of, I guess I should be glad I atleast got a response back, FOR ONCE. :confused:

Anybody can read the email thread I started and see that there was no response from any person that presented a solution to the problem. There were only excuses, excuses and more excuses about volunteers, hundreds of emails come in daily, sometime emails get lost in the shuffle, sometimes people input their email address incorrectly BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Maybe the next generation of Disc Golfers will have a different experience with the PDGA (crossing fingers).


I told you all that the Admin/ThreadNazi complaint would come up. Hate to say it... but Toldjaso.


-Chris.

We should have 2 discussion boards; one for the well mannered goodie twoshoes who are respectful to other users on the board. These people don't cuss or swear and they never criticize the PDGA because they know the PDGA is never wrong.

The other board should be used by people who are not offended by the F-Bomb, are interested in reading how the PDGA fails in some areas without the post/thread getting deleted or modified, and people who can take constructive criticism without flying off the handle (gimp).

;)



We already have another Message Board you can use that does not edit bad words.

Its called #$*&$!.com (http://www.#$*&$!.com/snitz/default.asp)

#$*&$! dot com is back on the list?????

Anyways, you can cuss all you want on there. I got yelled (cussed) at for saying the same thing as I did hear.

Please provide a recent example of a post being deleted...



Rhett,

I sent a PM to your other login concerning a matter similar to this. I did not know how often you log in as the Admin, but I am just dropping you a reminder.


When a post is moved to the Deleted Posts area, all replies move with it. This scorches the earth a little more than going in and blasting the content of the post. If you weren't taking part in the misspelled word du jour and your post was deleted, it is because you were replying to a misspelled word du jour post. Sorry, but I haven't heard a good reason for swearing on here yet so those types of things can happen.


I gave a relatively decent reason as to why swearing is in all actuality little worse than any term allowed. "Doodoo" or "poop" has every single intentional meaning that "the S word" has. In all actuality both of those words hold the exact same meaning and are used for the exact same purposes. My question for you, and for Mr. James, was: What makes those words so much better? Why are those words not censored with this policy?

Same meaning, same uses. In all sincerity they are no better. They are exclamations of frustration and anger utilizing a term for digested and expelled food. I use this same argument in debate with Christian friends that use "geez" and "gosh" and have never found a reason why those words are any better than using the lord's name in vain.

Can you give me a reason why using the B word is better than calling some cheater a "dirty dog", why using the C word and P word is worse than simply calling someone a girl?

Is it only because of negative societal mores?

If so why would you allow the other words, the "less offensive" words despite the fact that it is true that they are still very offensive to some.

Why would you allow the word "Bloody" or "Wanker" when in many nations that the PDGA is attempting to develop in these words are considered incredibly profane.

Your entire policy is faulty.

There, I said it.

Not that I have anything against it, I will abide by it as I really don't care much either way, but I am putting this argument to you here and now and I want to see what your reaction is to it, how you can respond to it.

Because I guarentee you that it will get worse than the simple comments above that call you, essentially, thread-nazis. I've run a community of over 100,000 members before as a board administrator, this is only the beginning if you have the guts to implement this system. I am impressed by your balls in going forth with it, but I'm warning you it will be difficult.


-Chris.

Chris,

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is. To me it seems like a thinly veiled "Call to Action" for people who want to swear on the message board.

Please refer to the initial post on this thread if you are indeed interested in the questions that you ask.

Chris,

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is. To me it seems like a thinly veiled "Call to Action" for people who want to swear on the message board.

Please refer to the initial post on this thread if you are indeed interested in the questions that you ask.


What it is is a post calmly explaining to you the issues with your policy. Your initial post does not answer one question I put forth. I asked a simple question concerning what makes you the judge of which words are worse than others, when in reality they mean nothing different, and in reality certain words considered profane in other nations the PDGA is trying to develop in are allowed here because you do not consider them to be offensive.

This is a sincere and serious flaw in your entire methodology, Rhett. It is not a call to action for people desiring to swear, if you would actually take the time to read through the post to the end you would notice that I respect the guts you have in putting this in action despite the inevitable and serious criticism I guarentee you will recieve.

If anything I preparing you for something that is only going to get worse. If you had ever run a discussion community that implemented something such as this before you would understand, but it is obvious that you are very inexperienced at what you do and I am trying to help you out.

The questions are only going to get harder, the accusations are likely only going to get worse, and there will be many bans made on your part unless you eventually get sick of it all and back down from your policy.

This is a serious issue for a burgeoning online community. Personally, you may read what Terry (Hiya Terry! Remember me from Parmalee?) said and consider that a goal, however he said himself that it was a community of College and University Webmasters which is far from the norm. What he runs are communities of professionals, people looking to advance in their careers via the online community in addition to making names for themselves as driven individuals in their chosen field.

This is not that. If anything this is far more similar to http://www.student.com where I ran as an Admin. A complete amalgamation of generations, ages, cultures, and life-styles. People are going to complain, people are going to try to break the rules to be rebels, and people are going to accuse you of doings incorrectly.

Meh... I'm starting to lose my train of thought here: But my main point is, you had better be ready for the criticism if you actually want to put this in place and you had better not back down after it gets worse otherwise things are going to be uglier than they were before and this could end up being bad for the board.

Be ready to answer tough questions, and answer them in full or else the criticism will fly and the banning will begin.


-Chris.

I'm ready to answer questions, and have been doing so already.

I feel I am just as qualified as anyone else to make decisions. I swear in my personal life, so I am no fuddy-duddy. I have strong opinions on just about any subject, but I am perfectly willing to let others have conflicting ones. I don't feel the need to use my administrator priviledges to silence opposing opinions.

I don't think a swear-filled DISCussion board does anything good for the PDGA, and as a PDGA member I'd like see this message board be part of advancing the sport. I'm willing to do something to try and help reach that goal. And yes I understand that anytime you do anything in disc golf you will get a lot of grief for it.

I'd like to see the DISCussion board be a place for all PDGA members to use, not just those of us who like to swear and carry on with inane silliness on every thread. Some people, believe it or not, don't come here because they just want to find out if the Memorial is full or if entry forms for the El Dorado Open are ready yet. Those people go away and don't come back because they don't care to wade through 20 pages of Wimm versus Kight or entry fee structure debate and excessive swearing on the tournament threads.

Those people should be able to use the board, too.

I understand. I don't have any issues with you or the policy Rhett, I was merely giving you examples of what you're going to deal with as long as you carry it out. Incessant questioning and accusations will occur, it won't be any fun being an Admin until people learn to accept it... and that could be a long time.

And the examples I gave are pretty much tame compared to some of the stuff some people may be able to come up with.


-Chris.

like terry, i have also run 100's of boards and maillists in my day. most were in the mid and late 90's and most focussed on anarchism and peacepunk bands.

unlike terry, my experience is that this board at its worst is about average in terms of nastiness, personal attacks, swearing, and general shenanigans. at its best it is as almost as sanitary as a research lab at NASA.

want to play the corporate awareness card some more? go check out Mark Cuban's blog for bloody sake. the dude has more going on in a day than disc golf has had in its history, and if he posted here he would be censored and/or banned within a week. give that card up, its worthless.

Ha, let's look at the facts.

It's not a matter of not liking criticism, it is a matter of the thread subject incorrectly claiming as a fact something which is not true.

Your thread title, "PDGA Ignores Emails," stated as a fact a negative assertion that was not a fact. Why should it have been allowed to persist, erroneously oozing its negativity?

.....





Terry, that's the second time you've said that and the second time it is not true. The title of MC's original post was "PDGA Ignores Emails?????? " See the question marks? He was not posting as fact.

Did you even read his first post?

Has anyone else had problems getting a reply back from the PDGA when you send them an email?

In the 5 years I have been a member I have sent 4 total emails to the PDGA and got a response back to only one of them. 2 emails I sent last year never got a response. I'm not writing paragraphs just simple questions :confused:

Am I the only one who gets ignored???



It sounds like a legitimate question to me.

The fact is that you didn't like the turn that the conversation took and you changed the name of the thread.

wow...consider me cleaned up...I would like to thank everyone for pointing out my obvious shortcomings(on the board and in person)...no more stupid posts from this guy(my wife was locked out when I was) :o...I will need to put flyboy,morgan, and pizza dork back on my ignore list :D



I had no idea you were banned for a day mitch!! That is really lame!! :confused:

. Why should it have been allowed to persist, erroneously oozing its negativity?
<font color="red"> Thats Funny, I'll show you Erroneously oozing :D </font>
Cleaning up the thread title to a calmer and fairer subject line is simply a matter of not allowing the PDGA's resource to be used to unfairly and erroneously portray the PDGA.
<font color="blue"> I Erroneously portray the PDGA everyday </font>

like terry, i have also run 100's of boards and maillists in my day. most were in the mid and late 90's and most focussed on anarchism and peacepunk bands.

unlike terry, my experience is that this board at its worst is about average in terms of nastiness, personal attacks, swearing, and general shenanigans. at its best it is as almost as sanitary as a research lab at NASA.

want to play the corporate awareness card some more? go check out Mark Cuban's blog for bloody sake. the dude has more going on in a day than disc golf has had in its history, and if he posted here he would be censored and/or banned within a week. give that card up, its worthless.



<font color="blue"> [satire mode engage] </font>

QUIET PLEASE!!!!

<font color="blue"> [disengage] </font>

. Why should it have been allowed to persist, erroneously oozing its negativity?
<font color="red"> Thats Funny, I'll show you Erroneously oozing :D </font>
Cleaning up the thread title to a calmer and fairer subject line is simply a matter of not allowing the PDGA's resource to be used to unfairly and erroneously portray the PDGA.
<font color="blue"> I Erroneously portray the PDGA everyday </font>





I believe I will have to rEFRAIN from erroneous oozing!! :D

There is a hundred replies for this and nothing in the throwing technique section? I just got membership this year, but here I come discgolfreview.com

I have a request. Can the admins please delete the blank pages at the end of threads? I imagine it happens from deleting posts. It gets pretty annoying to open a thread to read and have to search back 4 or 5 pages to actually find one that has posts on it.



Yea!
i have to search for the latest posts every time I log onto to the ask David mac thread. This has been very annoying and of course a waste of my time.
Whats the dealio with the extra blank pages anyway, its not on all threads.

the funny part about the ban was the PM explaining the ban and how long it would be...not that the PM was funny(but the fact that I was locked out and could not read the message untill my ban was over)...my e-mails to the PDGA have still not been returned, and I am guessing they will not...now I best stop before I get in trouble(the real trouble was the misses got locked out as well for my moronic behavior) :o... so I am on the straight and narrow now :D...of course a six pack of Fat Tire could change all that

You have been a bad donkey. But by the grace of the monitor Gods you have been born again. Don't make them have to wash your mouth out with soap. Go now and swear no more. ;)

Hi Chris,

We all give Rhett and Terry permission and our approval to monitor this discussion board according to the rules of our message board.

Here they are (you can also click the "Rules" link at the top of each page in this forum):


PDGA Message Board Rules
Remember: you are in a public forum, talking to your fellow disc golfers. Behave accordingly. Disagreements are fine; personal attacks are not. This DISCussion board is first a foremost a PDGA resource for PDGA members.

The basic rule of thumb for posting here is this: Don't post anything that you might get warned or stroked about during competitive, santioned PDGA play. In other words, the courtesy rules apply here as well as during a PDGA event. Another basic rule of thumb is that on the Internet you need to be twice as nice on line to have any chance at all of people knowing, from your postings, that you are as nice as you are in person.

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Who gives Rhett the discretion?

Our membership elected officers.

Our organization is called the Professional Disc Golf Association, not because most members are Pros, they're not, but because we aim for professional behavior during play.

We also aim for professional behavior on DISCussion - read the rules.

We value our women members and want to grow their numbers. Although you can go out and find a few who don't mind, the truth is that there are very few women who don't detest being called the "B" word or the "P" word; most don't even like to see the words in use. If you use either word about, to, or in front of a woman player when I am around you will get an instant courtesy violation.

The bottom line is that if this DISCussion gets too difficult to moderate, we will increase the length of posting privileges suspensions for violaters. This is a privilege of membership, not a right.

Rhett, I've been letting you handle the load alone for a while, 'cause I got tired of it, but I'm going to spend more time in here looking things over.

Since we now can identify who each poster is, we can be serious about making them stop the inappropriate stuff.

i've never witnessed a courtesy violation for any anything, including spoken words.

You mean no one's ever stepped/stomped on your open toe? :eek: :o :D

my e-mails to the PDGA have still not been returned, and I am guessing they will not...now I best stop before I get in trouble



Don't be discouraged, Mitch...my emails don't get returned either, and it's our fault that they don't get returned. You know Mitch, emails routinely get lost in the shuffle, being that the first word in the Pdga is Professional you would think they care about communication with it's members. You can always do what was recommended to me and pick up the phone rather than sending a convenient email. Just speaking the truth.

By the way, Terry...if you think I was disrespecting the PDGA by starting a thread called "PDGA Ignores Emails?????" (notice the question marks ;)) you are absolutely wrong. I simply wanted to know why my emails don't get returned...gimme a freaking break.

Do y'all ever think that the more sensitive, angry and outraged y'all become, the more likely you are to meet resistance. I can sort of understand your concern over commonly accepted cussing and such, but your concern over many other words (which I incidently can't type here to communicate them) is downright sad. So is your fear of PDGA criticism. The attitude is such a sign of weakness that it is counterproductive. I bet some people get so peeved (can I say that) over this hyper-sensitivity that they go out of their way just to test the boundaries.

2006 the year of the player. If we don't like our leaders, vote them out. All of them. Terry and crew have no faith in GenX.

A list of Gen X ?

Come on don... you know what i mean. I know you from pyxis

:D I do ........................How have you been ?

Playing alot or some still ? San Diego weather is awesome !!!! You should try and get out here or maybe I can travel back there !!!!

...freaking...

hmmmm, a blatant attempt to thwart the badword list! banishment, i say! :D

Kind of a thread drift...but still in the "Professionalism"
genre.

Is it against the rules to make side bets during sanctioned events..or just frowned upon?

2006 the year of the player. If we don't like our leaders, vote them out. All of them. Terry and crew have no faith in GenX.

That's right, vote us out. Nominations are coming up soon. I am not running for re-election, so definitely there's an opening there.

BTW, this summer the call for manuscripts will open on a special issue of Innovate: The Journal of Online Education focusing on the 'Net Generation (comes *after* X-ers). I am a co-editor of that special issue. I study and sometimes write (http://www.campus-technology.com/news_issue.asp?id=153&IssueDate=10/16/2003) about this stuff. Gen X is old hat :grin:

I have enough faith in Gen Xers to doubt that any will actually run, or that if they do, that they will win. (Certainly no one who actually thinks it's okay to use that kind of language in a public forum can win. Not a chance! If for no reason that people will be using statements from DISCussion to let others know what those kind of people believe in.)

How's that for a challenge?

i've never witnessed a courtesy violation for any anything, including spoken words.



I've given courtesy violation warnings to some of the top players. In each case, they've been exceedingly polite about it and understanding. Not one swore at me.

i've never witnessed a courtesy violation for any anything, including spoken words.



I've given courtesy violation warnings to some of the top players. In each case, they've been exceedingly polite about it and understanding. Not one swore at me.



Really ? I have had guys , throw their bags and swear like there's no tomorrow !!!!! Some people you just can not talk too I guess !!! :(

Really ? I have had guys , throw their bags and swear like there's no tomorrow !!!!! Some people you just can not talk too I guess !!! :(



The trick is to be a white-haired, leading edge Boomer with an innate air of authority. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Really ? I have had guys , throw their bags and swear like there's no tomorrow !!!!! Some people you just can not talk too I guess !!! :(



The trick is to be a white-haired, leading edge Boomer with an innate air of authority. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Nice !!!! I'll try to remember that !!!! :D

2006 the year of the player. If we don't like our leaders, vote them out. All of them. Terry and crew have no faith in GenX.


Puh-leeze. This "generation gap" stuff is getting old.

Do you really think that swearing on the forums of the PDGA advances the sport of disc golf? Seriously? I don't.

I also don't think that an anarchic free-for-all does anything but waste my dues. Personally, I don't want to be sworn at or preached to or anything like that here. Disc golf. Why can't it just be about disc golf?.

Is that such a bad thing to want?

preached at??? what constitutes preaching? i mean, swearing is pretty obvious. but preaching cannot be so readily recognized. something could be taken as preaching if your read it before your morning coffee, taken as good solid input if read at noon.

This board has become obsolete.

Really ? I have had guys , throw their bags and swear like there's no tomorrow !!!!! Some people you just can not talk too I guess !!! :(



The trick is to be a white-haired, leading edge Boomer with an innate air of authority. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



You wish

an even better response is:

Puh-leeze.

or how about:

"more like half a beard away from a Saddam Hussein look-a-like" :D

preached at??? what constitutes preaching?


That admin guy wasn't very clear.

He probably meant to say that he doesn't want to be sworn at, nor the other end of the offensive spectrum to be subjected to non-disc-golfy religious stuff.

Frequently around here, people jump to the conclusion that you are a religious fanatic if you are opposed to swearing or heritage activities on the course.

Kind of a thread drift...but still in the "Professionalism"
genre.

Is it against the rules to make side bets during sanctioned events..or just frowned upon?



I have seen guys do this at almost every event !!!!!

Example :

Who will drive this hole the farthest ?
Best upshot.
Best Putt.
Best score at half way point.
Best looking attire.
Best attitude in the Finals.................etc.

preached at??? what constitutes preaching?


That admin guy wasn't very clear.

He probably meant to say that he doesn't want to be sworn at, nor the other end of the offensive spectrum to be subjected to non-disc-golfy religious stuff.

Frequently around here, people jump to the conclusion that you are a religious fanatic if you are opposed to swearing or heritage activities on the course.



I couldn't agree more, with about half of the stuff I read on this board. The Admins are 100% correct that swearing and improper statements have no place on this board, if you want to type in curse words or replacements for them go here (http://tuckermax.com) , pretty much anything goes on the board and you'll have a good time (no it is not that other so-called DG Assoc). Just make sure to use proper spelling, punctuation and sentence stucture, or you will be ridiculed.

Some of you may have taken my previous post wrong, I don't think there is any place for swearing on this board. What comes out of your mouth is your own business and it bothered me that someone was basing other people's moral character on that alone.

Most of the people that are in their late 20's and early 30's almost have bad language built into their vocabularies. It was part of our music, TV shows and even our daily lives, but that still does not make it acceptable to the general public, I know that I don't talk to my clients or the city the way I talk to my friends, and this is where the line begins to blur on this board. We all know each other, or at least feel like we do, and feel that we should be able to converse back and forth like we do in person. I've had a few posts deleted due to questionable content (not actual curse words or circumventing the block, just words and phrases that could offend some people) and I don't have a problem with it, they weren't appropiate for this forum.

The bottom line is we do represent the PDGA as an orginazation (in outsider's eyes) when we post on this board. Think of posting here as meeting your girlfriend's parents, or your new boss, for the first time and behave just like you would in that situation.

that post is hilarious considering what happens at the course. i do not believe swearing should be acceptable on the board. but at least its not loud and in public on a sunday morning.

you know what i mean. :D

Ever try playing in a foursome , where one of the guys , must have eaten 5 pounds of beans and cabbage !!!!!!! :eek:

...freaking...

hmmmm, a blatant attempt to thwart the badword list! banishment, i say! :D



Shucks, did I swear on the board again?

Think of posting here as meeting your girlfriend's parents, or your new boss, for the first time and behave just like you would in that situation.

You may have found the problem. Maybe some of them haven't had a girlfriend or boss yet. ;)

that post is hilarious considering what happens at the course. i do not believe swearing should be acceptable on the board. but at least its not loud and in public on a sunday morning.

you know what i mean. :D



Actually I don't. If you're referring to the way I interact with my friends that I play DG with at the mini on Sunday mornings, then you've probably heard a few choice comments come out of my mouth, but that is on my personal time. If you're talking about me dealing with a sponsor or a parks board member on Sunday morning then you've obviously never been around for that.

This is exactly what I'm referring to, you can't judge someone in all aspects until you've seen them in every aspect of their life.

I would say that most of the population knows how to adjust their behavior according to whom they're around or what kind of situation they're in. I had no idea that PG had such an issue with swearing before he posted on this thread, while I may not agree with his views on the matter, I will try to respect his wishes and keep it to a minimum when I speak to him. If anyone else has a problem with anything that anyone does at the course, it's not going to change unless you let them know you have a problem with it, and even then you may be told where to take your opinions. It's really just a matter of respect, if people respect you they will make an effort and show that they care about your opinion. If they don't respect you they will make it pretty obvious.

What up, Jason... Thanks for taking care of all us measly Amateurs at the Z-Boaz Open last weekend. It was good to see ya again buddy.




In case you did not know:







Swearing = Ignorance



Watch yourself.

Whoops, I meant Ingorance.

Ever try playing in a foursome , where one of the guys , must have eaten 5 pounds of beans and cabbage !!!!!!! :eek:



Happened to me at The Big Show in Cedar Hill. I hope that Im never put on a card with that nasty guy again!

The bad thing about it was, he didnt even care. He was doing it and laughing about it the whole round...

This guy was so nasty that I wanted to stop playing!

"
I have enough faith in Gen Xers to doubt that any will actually run, or that if they do, that they will win. (Certainly no one who actually thinks it's okay to use that kind of language in a public forum can win. Not a chance! If for no reason that people will be using statements from DISCussion to let others know what those kind of people believe in.)"

I have a question. Is a phrase such as "adios mofo" considered inappropriate?

I have a question. Is a phrase such as "adios mofo" considered inappropriate?



Good question. Ask yourself these questions:

* If you said that to your mother, would she cry?

* If you said that to your wife as you left for work in the morning, would she still be there when you get back?

* If you said that to your boss as you headed home, would you still have a job?

* If you said that to a member of the parks and recreation commission would they let you build a disc golf course?

Any one of those people could come here and read your posts. Or, someone on DISCussion could send them your posts.

The first thing I do when I am considering hiring someone, permanent or temporary, is Google them intensely. That's becoming pretty commonplace.

Lots of Xers and 'Net Gens are finding this out the hard way when they indulge themselves on forums and in such places as MySpace.com - and potential bosses look it over before they hire, or don't hire.

In a similar sense, I think that PDGA members voting for board members are pretty savvy about who is or is not responsible about how they represent the sport.

I have seen guys do this at almost every event !!!!!




Donny thanks for your insight...but whether or not it is done is not what I was asking...

Is it legit according to the PDGA?

Most other Professional sports have strict rules about gambling...remember Pete Rose?

I have a question. Is a phrase such as ,(suposedly-offensive content edited by ES) considered inappropriate?



Good question. Ask yourself these questions:

* If you said that to your mother, would she cry?

* If you said that to your wife as you left for work in the morning, would she still be there when you get back?

* If you said that to your boss as you headed home, would you still have a job?

* If you said that to a member of the parks and recreation commission would they let you build a disc golf course?

Any one of those people could come here and read your posts. Or, someone on DISCussion could send them your posts.

The first thing I do when I am considering hiring someone, permanent or temporary, is Google them intensely. That's becoming pretty commonplace.

Lots of Xers and 'Net Gens are finding this out the hard way when they indulge themselves on forums and in such places as MySpace.com - and potential bosses look it over before they hire, or don't hire.

In a similar sense, I think that PDGA members voting for board members are pretty savvy about who is or is not responsible about how they represent the sport.



I was just curious and based by your response it would be just fine!! "adios mofo" is a quote from Rick Perry , the governor of TEXAS!! You know how those conservative republicans are!! I believe he uses this phrase when anouncing his departure from press conferences, well at least one press conference!! AS I have argued , it is all in the perception of the individual!!That being said ,(suposedly-offensive content edited by ES) !!!! :p

Yes, it is offensive.

Any abbreviated form or intentional misspelling of an offensive statement should be considered as offensive as the full statement.

A term is not cleansed just because a celebrity or political personality uses a term.

Especially a Texas Republican :D

Yes, it is offensive.

Any abbreviated form or intentional misspelling of an offensive statement should be considered as offensive as the full statement.

A term is not cleansed just because a celebrity or political personality uses a term.



I beg to differ , i believe it is more comical than offensive, Especially considering which clown's mouth it came from!! The very next day there were t-shirts for sale with that phrase printed on them!! :D

AS I have argued , it is all in the perception of the individual!!That being said ,(offensive content edited by ES) !!!! :p



Precisely.

My mother, my boss, my wife, and the Hudson Mills Metroparks supervisor who manages the courses all *would* be offended by that kind of language.

And we know that a huge number of people on DISCussion (or not on DISCussion because they have been disgusted by it) are offended by such language.

Those folks are PDGA members, they're not any more outrageously strange than people who are not offended by that kind of language.

We need to keep DISCussion as a useful and non-offensive resource for as many PDGA members as possible and, hopefully, nonmembers as well, but members come first.

"adios mofo" is a quote from Rick Perry , the governor of TEXAS!! You know how those conservative republicans are!!



That's great.

Thanks for responding to my post, Terry...all that tells me is either you put my username on ignore -OR- you can't rationalize what you said about my thread "PDGA Ignores emails??????"

I can't believe I disrespected the PDGA so badly, and to think it was because they don't return emails...you guys are real professionals, thank you for that.

Did I lay it on thick enough?????????

i believe it's a lost cause Mike!! I doubt the current conservative pdga big wigs will ever see eye to eye with the vast majority of disc golfs demographic!!

Speaking of proffesionalism here is one for you!! I took it upon myself to Establish our disc golf club as a pdga affiliated club and organize a bundle membership!! I collected everyone's money and wrote a personal check for the total!! I sent this in 1 month ago and it has yet to be processed!! The main problem I have is that I for some reason feel reponsible for the delay in members being non-current!! I have run out of excuses and am tired of making excuses for why it has yet to be processed!! my typical response from HQ is "well the mail is pretty undependable out here" . I have even thought about not going to my league due to not wanting to answer questions about what is taking so long etc. etc.!! It's sad, really sad . I felt I was doing a really good thing by doing the affiliation and bundle membership etc. Knowing what i know now , I am not sure if i would do this again!! :confused: At least I did not use any profanity in my post!! :p

I have seen guys do this at almost every event !!!!!




Donny thanks for your insight...but whether or not it is done is not what I was asking...

Is it legit according to the PDGA?

Most other Professional sports have strict rules about gambling...remember Pete Rose?



From what Bruce B has said in the past, i believe all PDGA cpmpetitions are considered gambling (basicly we are gambling for each other's entry fees). I think some states like Michigan have laws which require the payout to be posted at such events (sort of an upfront posting of the odds of getting a return for your wager?) In that sense -- all PDGA events are gambling. maybe we should ban all competitions which charge entry fees in the interest of cleaning up our sport? :eek: (just kidding)

Especially a Texas Republican :D



A little redundant don't you think? Whats next a' few "Our fathers" before a round?

Especially a Texas Republican :D


Careful, You don't want to OFFEND anyone right?

i believe it's a lost cause Mike!! I doubt the current conservative pdga big wigs will ever see eye to eye with the vast majority of disc golfs demographic!!

Speaking of proffesionalism here is one for you!! I took it upon myself to Establish our disc golf club as a pdga affiliated club and organize a bundle membership!! I collected everyone's money and wrote a personal check for the total!! I sent this in 1 month ago and it has yet to be processed!! The main problem I have is that I for some reason feel reponsible for the delay in members being non-current!! I have run out of excuses and am tired of making excuses for why it has yet to be processed!! my typical response from HQ is "well the mail is pretty undependable out here" . I have even thought about not going to my league due to not wanting to answer questions about what is taking so long etc. etc.!! It's sad, really sad . I felt I was doing a really good thing by doing the affiliation and bundle membership etc. Knowing what i know now , I am not sure if i would do this again!! :confused: At least I did not use any profanity in my post!! :p



Nice job, Efrain...Atleast you took it upon yourself to handle your fellow club members PDGA dues. You saved everyone $5 and plus you financially helped out the PDGA by taking care of a bundle of Austin players renewals...I doubt you will even get a thank you from the PDGA for the work you put in.

What peeves me is Terry can't even admit he was wrong, he changes the title of my thread and made it sound like I was discrediting the PDGA which I was not. It was a freaking question, Terry. Grow up!

Fellow Disc Snappers: Remember this before you decide to complain about or to the PDGA; the PDGA is never wrong, whatever the PDGA says is final, and current PDGA players input means nothing. Whoops almost forgot, if you want to complain don't send an email make a phone call.

Especially a Texas Republican :D

thats an offensive comment in and of itself :mad::( :mad:

What peeves me is Terry can't even admit he was wrong, he changes the title of my thread and made it sound like I was discrediting the PDGA which I was not. It was a freaking question, Terry. Grow up



If a tabloid ran the headline: "Smith cheats on wife!" versus "Smith cheats on wife???", they could get sued either way, question marks notswithstanding. Your "settlement" of having your headline edited was alot cheaper...

Especially a Texas Republican :D



A little redundant don't you think? Whats next a' few "Our fathers" before a round?

they already do that at some events where Joe Martin is playing.

If the headline was accurate, why would the paper settle???

The burden of proof is on the one who wrote the headline.

What peeves me is Terry can't even admit he was wrong, he changes the title of my thread and made it sound like I was discrediting the PDGA which I was not. It was a freaking question, Terry. Grow up



If a tabloid ran the headline: "Smith cheats on wife!" versus "Smith cheats on wife???", they could get sued either way, question marks notswithstanding. Your "settlement" of having your headline edited was alot cheaper...



The difference is Mike had a real life situation which he felt needed to be addressed!! After he started the thread it was brought to our attention that his was not an isolated incident!! Your example is an unrelated hypothetical situation!! Facts are facts and fiction is fiction , huge difference in my opinion!!

it is remarkeably easy to prove a question is a question.

Chuck is pretty good with course design and ratings stuff :)

What peeves me is Terry can't even admit he was wrong, he changes the title of my thread and made it sound like I was discrediting the PDGA which I was not. It was a freaking question, Terry. Grow up



If a tabloid ran the headline: "Smith cheats on wife!" versus "Smith cheats on wife???", they could get sued either way, question marks notswithstanding. Your "settlement" of having your headline edited was alot cheaper...



That makes a lot of sense. Comparing a thread topic to the cover of a tabloid magazine is absurd.

The fact is this; the header was changed because the PDGA can't face the music and give me/us a reasonable excuse as to why emails do not get returned.

Chuck, your reply says it all. You guys don't give a rats butt as to why some emails don't get returned and you have proved that with your lame tabloid statement.

It's the darn principle of the matter, why make excuses when solutions and possible answers would be the "professional" thing to do.

What a joke.

Being a 6 year paying member, I refuse to let this go because of the lack of answers and respect I am getting. And to think the first word in the PDGA is professional...WOW!!!!

Thanks for clarifying the attitude of the PDGA.

Daaaamn! Layin the SMACK down!!

I agree that the thread title should have been left alone......BUT it is common for people to see a statement with a few question marks behind it and NOT see it as a question and see it as a statement with the question marks representing confusion.

For me I see it more as Terry trying to force feed his vision of a perfect world on others.

I could be wrong.

Daaaamn! Layin the SMACK down!!



LOL!!

I admit my emotions get the best of me sometimes. But I know I am not perfect and I have no problem accepting humility when I am in the wrong (unlike some people).

Chuck breaking out the tabloids example is still cracking my rear end up.

I think Scott is correct.

A statement followed by a single question mark might be interpretted as a question where a statement followed by many question marks might be interpretted as a fact that leaves the writer confused as to why it is a fact.

The PDGA does not want to look bad, that is why Terry changed it.

Chuck, your reply says it all. You guys don't give a rats butt as to why some emails don't get returned and you have proved that with your lame tabloid statement.




Of course, this just further supports my remark regarding your slanderous accusations.

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Slanderous accusations, I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for proving my point even more, HAH!!

if everyone would just put on a collared shirt before they post, we wouldn't be having this problem. it worked so well on the course...rules committee?

Well, since my record is absolutley 100% return responses or forwarding for PDGA related emails, you're wrong right off the bat. Anyone who has dealt with me knows that. If I don't receive the email, I can't be held responsible except for lack of psychic powers.

In that case, too bad ALL emails don't get handled by you...maybe I would have gotten a response and not been so bitter about it.

I manage a website that specializes in live and archived audio/video streaming...if I don't properly handle emails I lose my job. That is why it's hard for me to believe nobody is held accountable for PDGA emails.

you gotta love the sarcasm!! Not!! what a great way to avoid the issue at hand!!

Yeah no kidding...I would like to think I made my point but all my griping and complaining has gotten me nowhere...they don't care so I might as well give up.

I thought you called the office, were satisfied, this was resolved and put to rest?

I thought you called the office, were satisfied, this was resolved and put to rest?

is that a question or statement! lmao! :eek:

This was hashed out ad nauseum a while so I'm not sure what the deal is again unless he tried email after calling and still didn't get a response.

I did call the office, and I don't email the PDGA anymore and won't recommend it to anyone.

Terry said I was disrespecting or discrediting (whatever) the pdga with my Email thread which I was not, so I chimed back in to start the fire again.

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Basically, I tried to get a logical explanation again why this happens.

It stinks but sometimes questions go unanswered, what a shame.

I'm giving up, again.

Ah, it just might be in Terry's DNA if it's short for Terrier (can't let sleeping dogs lie :))

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LOL...Now that's funny.

So, Mike, how come you haven't been answering my emails?

I've sent four in the past week or so and got nothing back?

LMFAO...Good one Terry, but you must be full of cow patties (swearing = ingorance).

You might have mistaken Yeahright@spamiscool.com as a working email address (yikes).

If you want my email address you can do to what Dave Gentry did and look up my address in the PDGA database. I received Mr. Gentry's email just fine -AND- I replied back to him within a few minutes of receiving it...you must not have access to the PDGA database, otherwise I would have received your email.

You see Terry, I work on the Internet so it would be awfully difficult for an email that shows up in my inbox to slip through the cracks. It's called being thorough, something the PDGA lacks when it comes to email.

So, Mike, how come you haven't been answering my emails?

I've sent four in the past week or so and got nothing back?



Oh wait, I might know what the problem is here; I assigned some volunteers to handle my emails, since they don't get paid it's ok that they get lost in the shuffle. Also, you might have inputed my email incorrectly, that happens all the time you know. And the #1 reason I might not have received it is................................................ .................................................. .................................................. .......................................I get hundreds of emails a day, how can anyone possibly expect me to return paying members emails. Arrrrgghhh!!!!!

Most of us don't have access to the PDGA member database.

I'm sure Terry has David's email address, I bet they could work something out.

I have to say that I am quite impressed that this current off-topic disagreement is proceeding so well without the use of swearing.

Hey I guess this is as good a thread to mangle as any, so here goes. I just heard cats meowing really loudly and snarling with distortion. Now if you didn't hear the same thing I did, you might think I mean that in some figurative sense. Uh, NOOOOOOO, I mean it quite literally. Distorted sounds of cats snarling. No kidding. It went on for about half, maybe a minute. To complicate matters, the NEFA Discussion page was also open on this here computah, but I suspect a diabolical frisbee nerd infiltrating this discussion page with sound. Wow. I wonder if anyone will ever believe me.

I have been trying my best not to swear on the board.

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I have to say that I am quite impressed that this current off-topic disagreement is proceeding so well without the use of swearing.



Swear-free, yes. But not all parties are being cordial.

Hey I guess this is as good a thread to mangle as any, so here goes. I just heard cats meowing really loudly and snarling with distortion. Now if you didn't hear the same thing I did, you might think I mean that in some figurative sense. Uh, NOOOOOOO, I mean it quite literally. Distorted sounds of cats snarling. No kidding. It went on for about half, maybe a minute. To complicate matters, the NEFA Discussion page was also open on this here computah, but I suspect a diabolical frisbee nerd infiltrating this discussion page with sound. Wow. I wonder if anyone will ever believe me.



I believe you Jason. I heard it too. It caused my dogs some grief. It was funny.

Yeah the embeded cat sounds were funny..2 of our cats went running to the door and acting bezerk..best thing this thread has done yet in the way of making me laugh..thanks who ever did the embedded sound...

That's hilarious. I seriously thought Jason was just jackin around and everyone followed suit .....just out of curiosity I unmuted my sound and sure enough...seriously annoying cats came blasting out of my speakers.....kinda freaked me out...i should have checked my volume level before i unchecked the mute box...lol

thank you, thank you! :D at first i wasnt sure it was really a cat but i just pumped up the volume and one of mine totally freaked. i guess its the real thing after all :cool:

LMFAO...Good one Terry, but you must be full of cow patties (swearing = ingorance).

You might have mistaken Yeahright@spamiscool.com as a working email address (yikes).

If you want my email address you can do to what Dave Gentry did and look up my address in the PDGA database. I received Mr. Gentry's email just fine -AND- I replied back to him within a few minutes of receiving it...you must not have access to the PDGA database, otherwise I would have received your email.

You see Terry, I work on the Internet so it would be awfully difficult for an email that shows up in my inbox to slip through the cracks. It's called being thorough, something the PDGA lacks when it comes to email.



Mike, your profile listed an email address which, I now find out that you apparently made up and doesn't work?

That's remarkable for someone who is both demanding and vociferous about communications ethics.

You might think about this paraphrase: "It's called being honest."

Oh, yeah, and thanks for whoever did the cats sound thing. (I'd like to learn how.) I took Ibuprofen a couple of hours ago for a headache (slight cold), and my little black and white cat, Orca, took a slice out of my arm when she heard that. What with the blood-thinning effect of the Ibuprofen, there's blood all over the place here!

LMFAO...Good one Terry, but you must be full of cow patties (swearing = ingorance).

You might have mistaken Yeahright@spamiscool.com as a working email address (yikes).

If you want my email address you can do to what Dave Gentry did and look up my address in the PDGA database. I received Mr. Gentry's email just fine -AND- I replied back to him within a few minutes of receiving it...you must not have access to the PDGA database, otherwise I would have received your email.

You see Terry, I work on the Internet so it would be awfully difficult for an email that shows up in my inbox to slip through the cracks. It's called being thorough, something the PDGA lacks when it comes to email.



Mike, your profile listed an email address which, I now find out that you apparently made up and doesn't work?

That's remarkable for someone who is both demanding and vociferous about communications ethics.

You might think about this paraphrase: "It's called being honest."



Terry, did you ignore [what] his email address [conveys]? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Terry, did you ignore [what] his email address [conveys]? :smirk:

Um. What does it convey?

My email address is splendid@umich.edu, and I know what that 'conveys' - but what does Yeahright@spamiscool.com convey?

Especially from someone who has Internet expertise?

it doesnt take internet expertise to know that when you put your email address on a website that it will get picked up and spammed. At the moment I cant remember what those programs are called that do that.

Ever seen people when they give out there email they will write it like "discgolferATclownnoseDOTcom".There is a reason for that. But I am sure you knew that .

Terry, did you ignore [what] his email address [conveys]? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Um. What does it convey?

My email address is splendid@umich.edu, and I know what that 'conveys' - but what does Yeahright@spamiscool.com convey?

Especially from someone who has Internet expertise?



yeahright@spamiscool.com conveys that the person is not going to give out a real email address because
spam is *not* cool.

are you ignoring what his email conveys or just playing dumb? :confused:

Those freaking cats scared the crap out of me :o

Wow. That audio put my cats in full alert mode real quick.

Nevermind, sarcastic comments can sometimes go to far :D

I have to say that I am quite impressed that this current off-topic disagreement is proceeding so well without the use of swearing.



And Thats entirely your fault!! :p

Somehow I tend to think those cats are using profanity. But I guess that's ok in the animal world. :cool:....The other day I came home late and my cat flipped me off because I was late with his dinner. :(

Hmmmm.... my cats just walked on by.... stupid cats....

As opposed to there actually being a smart cat? :o


Take the smartest cat in the world, and he still craps in your house. :D

no, that would be dogs. cats crap where they are supposed to crap and they can figure it out in about a half second. dogs on the other hand are not much more than programmable lifeforms. they are dumb. if a dog craps on your floor and you rub his nose in it then throw him out the window, all he will "learn" is that after he craps on your floor he's supposed to sniff it and jump thru the window. dogs are retards. cats rule.

dogs are retards. cats rule.



Next thing were gonna see is he cant throw far cause he pricked himself with a crochet needle or hes retaining water! Just light some more candles, curl up with a nice book and everything will be, ok!

j/k man, I couldnt resist. :p :D ;)

I don't know about cats' use of profanity because I'm not much of a cat person, but I have been known to slap my dog in the face for her attitude and language. Of course, I have also told her that she is one of the reasons that the b-word became a bad word. Yes, I know, you are thinking about my future parenting skills. Well, I do have one of the best behaved dogs on the course. My child will be, too.

Okay, Pat, I definitely disagree with you on the dog/cat thing. Yes, many dogs are trained = programmed. My dog is not trained, she has been taught. She is quite intelligent. Just ask her next time you see her. Oh, and I never rubbed my dog's nose in her poo. I told her it was inappropriate behavior to do that inside the house. She totally understood. I did have a cat once that would go to the litter box, scratch around, then pee/poo just outside of it.

You should have one of those kids that comes with a remote control. I bought a remote to use on my girlfriend but she re-programed it to use on me when I wasn't looking. Now I never use the B word around her, I always put the seat down, and so far she has not slapped me in the face. :).....Yea deep down I guess I'm still a dog but at least now I'm potty trained. :D

I'll remind you of that the next time I see you hugging a tree on the course. :o

Imagine the profanity you would hear on the course if tree's could talk. The way you throw all you hear right now is "whack", "slap", and the sound of falling branches. I'm sure if they could talk they would have a lot to say to DG'ers like you.... :eek:

Just be glad that Treebeard and his "Lord of the Ring" tree buddies don't know where you live. ;)

You're just jealous becauce you can't reach the trees. :o

Terry, did you ignore [what] his email address [conveys]? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Um. What does it convey?

My email address is splendid@umich.edu, and I know what that 'conveys' - but what does Yeahright@spamiscool.com convey?

Especially from someone who has Internet expertise?



Are you for real, Terry? I believe we are witnessing first hand the brilliance of our PDGA leaders.

TC: Being that you are en expert in public forums maybe you have heard of a thing called "SPAM"? Here is a quick tid bit for ya, if I wanted to I could take your email address and plug it into some very annoying spam engines...I value my email address and I like my inbox clean.


BTW, I have never used an email application where a bogus address does not prompt my inbox as undeliverable? Any more excuses?????????? (my bad if those question marks are offensive to anyone).

My mini schnauzer heard the cats and was totally puzzled by it, funny stuff.

Mike, would you please stop your Grunion impersination and give it a rest.
:o:D

I believe we are witnessing first hand the brilliance of our PDGA leaders.




You may be right, Mike, as well as missing my point.

I made a general statement about you that "you did not promptly reply to my emails."

Regardless of whether it's my stupidity or your duplicity, or any one of a whole lot of other possibilities, that is a true statement.

So what?

P.S. Nice quote! Do you mind if, when I use it, I attribute it to you?

i'm sorry, but i find it hilarious that a thread terry started got wiped :D

I did have a cat once that would go to the litter box, scratch around, then pee/poo just outside of it.


Umm, that's the cat's way of telling you that the litter box is too filthy to use. :)

i'm sorry, but i find it hilarious that a thread terry started got wiped :D



was that the one where he inadvertently encouraged discussion about the b, p, and c word? :eek:

i'm sorry, but i find it hilarious that a thread terry started got wiped :D



:DI thought it had made the point and it had gone amazingly long without disruption, but that was about to happen, so I wiped it. I'm so impartial that I even remove my own threads when they've gone bad, or are about to.

what, pray tell, was its point?

the point was that if you make a poll and word it correctly, you can get the results that you want from it ;)

ah, brilliant! :cool:

i'm sorry, but i find it hilarious that a thread terry started got wiped :D



:DI thought it had made the point and it had gone amazingly long without disruption, but that was about to happen, so I wiped it. I'm so impartial that I even remove my own threads when they've gone bad, or are about to.



It was bad from the start.

Imagine the profanity you would hear on the course if tree's could talk.


The trees on the courses I play use four-letter words all the time.

Bonk. Bonk. Bink. Bonk...

Don't forget "Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!"

Or, "Hehehehehehe, I'll get you and your plastic disc, too!"

Buy the look of the who's online page this message board remains popular for large numbers of non-members, even without posting priveleges...

I like what trees say more than some baskets around my way:
"doink!" "Tink!" "dingle" "Clank" "Ching" "Poink" and the always pleasant "Ka-Ching, Doink, Thud".

(Can you tell what part of the basket these are hitting and whether the putt went in or not from the sound?)

i can understand that. after alll, your trees rarely hjave an effect on discs, so it doesnt matter what they say.

Some of you may enjoy this week's column in IT Trends (http://www.campus-technology.com/news_article.asp?id=17943&typeid=153).

I've already gotten one email from a nonmember disc golfer, who apparently subscribes to IT Trends, and who says that he's going to join the PDGA soon for the first time so that he can discuss things in a well-moderated forum with fellow PDGA members.

P.S. Remember, it's a weekly opinion piece and a great deal tongue-in-cheek sometimes.

Is it possible to be a "former" anthropologist? :D

Wow. At least you didn't let your political ideology bleed into your article on virtual communities. /sarcasm

Kind Of reminds me of some corny radio program !! Those darn youngsters , I tell you Bob the future looks rather grim!! :p Every new generation will eventually be the leaders of tomorrow , accept it and move on!! In order to evolve we must first accept change!!!

I read your column. It reminded me that it has been awhile since I've googled my name to see what I'm up to.

Looks like I'm still playing disc golf.