That's a sweet dye.

Thank you! I think it looks sweet too. MK-DYE 2004 CE ROC (http://widiscgolf.com/mkdye/cemkdyeroc.jpg)

I didn't know they made that stamp for 2004. I thought those stamps were from 2003. If is not a 2003, then where did you get it, because the ZD website didn't have them and they only said they made four hotstamps plus the GLOW.

I want more info.

I am honored you think that they produced that. Actually disc coach that is a custom dye job by yours truely. Thank you again!

Last week it was a Ring of ROCs stamp in TX. Quite a transformation.

Got my Champion Rocs and I have to voice my frustration.

I ordered 7 rocs...6 for myself and one for a friend. Out of the 6 I bought, not one of them matched up in weight, color or stamp. The 1 roc I purchased for my friend was close to what he wanted. I am very disapointed with what I got. I've been reading this thread and it sounds like ZD had nowhere near the resources they needed to fulfill this project.

INNOVA: You are the leading disc manufacturer in the world...why is it you can't deliver what you advertise and deliver what consumers expected to recieve. The way I saw it while ordering was that you may not get the weight you wanted but they made it seem like the color and stamp were a for sure thing.

I DON'T CARE IF I WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES TO ORDER THESE...IF I KNEW I WAS BUYING RANDOM DISCS THAN I WOULD HAVE NEVER PAID FOR THEM.

Yes I would agree also. hehe MK-DYE 2004 CE ROC (http://widiscgolf.com/mkdye/cemkdyeroc.jpg)

cool!

M. Conners - don't buy them next year then. In fact if you are so unhappy with all of them, why don't you send them all in a box to me, and I will paypal you their original cost.

All of the whining over these discs is really quite lame. All of you who got discs and are unhappy, please grow up and don't post about it on here. Be mature and solve the problem yourself whether it be trading them, or selling them on e-bay to afford the colors and weights you want to purchase on e-bay. I mean please... this is getting really old. I am less than 30 minutes from the Innova factory and I got shut out completely. Have you heard me whining about how unfair that is? I think not.

Yeah how dare somebody voice their opinion. :eek:

I second that. Anyone unhappy with the ROCS they got I will gladly refund your money and shipping.

No need for you to be dissatisfied, I will provide the little fellas with a happy home.

Offer limited to the first 100 ROCS returned.

it's ok to be dissatisfied with how your order turned out. i am overall happy with the situation and specifically my order--but i do think it could have been done [orders/distribution] better.

I think it is okay to be frustrated with how your CE Roc order turned out and even expected. Web vendors over the past few years have done such a good job getting us the exact disc, color, stamp, weight that if they are a little off people often return the discs for their money back or the "right discs".

Granted, the situation here with the CE Rocs is complicated by the limited number and the speed at which they sold out. It could not have been expected to sell out so quickly. So, we have to realize things did not go perfectly this time and find ways to get what we want.

Personally, I was disappointed I did not get a stamp, color or weight I asked for...not even close. However, there are dozens of people trading (Including me) on this thread or on "Trader's Row" and it is possible to get what you want or at least close. Right now I'm trading for a disc I want (or close to it) and enjoying throwing my other Roc (a lot!).

So....
1 - People have a right to be dissappointed if their order did not come out correctly.
2 - I believe ZoneDriven and Innova will make adjustments for next year and I hope they work.
3 - Act like adults and find ways to solve your problems.
4 - Quit ragging on people who say they're dissappointed. Help give them ways to solve their problems like so many have since some people are blinded of possible courses of action by their dissappointment.

Sorry for the rant. Enjoy throwing those Rocs...Or looking at them if that's what you like. I like looking at them as they fly! Come play in Montrose, Colorado!!!

-Max

Harold, thank you. I am certainly interested in your offer. Please check your PM and e-mail. Russ C :cool:

I4 - Quit ragging on people who say they're dissappointed. Help give them ways to solve their problems like so many have since some people are blinded of possible courses of action by their dissappointment.



Ordinarily I'd agree with you, however, M. Conners said:


I've been reading this thread and it sounds like ZD had nowhere near the resources they needed to fulfill this project.



If he HAS been reading this thread, he should be fully aware of both the complicating factors (limited numbers, speed of sales) since they have been discussed almost to the point of ad nauseum AND the courses of action available to rectify his disappointment since there have been posted on both this and the "Trader's Row" thread. Since there is nothing in the post to suggest even remotely that he's willing or eager to trade for what he wants, it's hard to see any purpose for the post besides venting.

So ...
1 - People have a right to be dissappointed if their order did not come out correctly.
2 - I believe ZoneDriven and Innova will make adjustments for next year and I hope they work.
3 - Act like adults and find ways to solve your problems instead of just whining. :)

M Have you heard me whining about how unfair that is? I think not.



Not until just now.

:DI have a sugg. for next year 5K CE GLO'Z ROC'Z each 1 with all the Prev. Year'Z STAMP'Z in MINI FORM @ $40.00. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Harold/Dave/INNOVA/USDGC/Z.D.,
I will place my ORDER now for 5 of them :cool::D


The LOGOSTIC'Z of this YEAR'Z SALE are almost UNBELIVABLE.
People need to TRY to understand that and i'm guessing at these #'Z.

Let's try 4 stamp's, 5 color's?, 1370 total each stamp, about 274 DISC'Z per color then toss in a variety of weight's ranging from ? 165-180 G'Z?
C'MON FOLK'Z IT IS

P.S.
I am NO way Employed nor under contract to INNOVA/USDGC
Just a DISCER REALIST.
C-YA ON THE COURSE

Just received my Glow Roc. WOOHOO!!!!

Just wondering. The pictures I've seen show the Glow Roc as quite opaque and with a black stamp.

I received a 179 that is transparent (can easily read the card behind it) and it has a metallic red stamp. It's really sweet!

Just curious if other people have more opaque or more transparent glow rocs and what color stamps people are getting.

I got 1 black and 1 blue

A Glow Bruise Roc?
:D

hehe

I got 3 GLO'Z 2 SILVER, 1 BLUE BLUE is Opaque, the SILVER'Z are more C-thru, but not TRANSPARENT?

CLEAR GLO'Z

I got the following stamp colors; red, black, blue, and chrome.

None of mine are transparent. I got 13 of them, all are 178g and above. Most are white, some a bone white color.

Circle 2, very funny.

Keep in mind, I am not whining, but why didn't we get to choose colors of stamps on the glo's? Seems like no one is complaining and I�m not either. I love my black stamp! Maybe next year, they should pick one stamp and one color, so the only variation is weight. Seems to me, the problem was the sheer # of available combinations.

I am not mathematical, but how many discs would they had to have made this year for 100 discs in each weight, color, and stamp combination? Then they could have had all the like discs together when the orders came in. I would imagine, since there are so many dissatisfied customers, that the discs were all together, with no rhyme nor reason for color, stamp or weight. We will see what happens next year.

I like the idea of being able to get all the different styles and colors. Of course, I am the one who paid $32.00 bucks for the dx ring of rocks, so what do I know. I should learn to read more carefully. :)

M. Conners - don't buy them next year then. In fact if you are so unhappy with all of them, why don't you send them all in a box to me, and I will paypal you their original cost.

All of the whining over these discs is really quite lame. All of you who got discs and are unhappy, please grow up and don't post about it on here. Be mature and solve the problem yourself whether it be trading them, or selling them on e-bay to afford the colors and weights you want to purchase on e-bay. I mean please... this is getting really old. I am less than 30 minutes from the Innova factory and I got shut out completely. Have you heard me whining about how unfair that is? I think not.



YOU ARE A BICKERING WHINING LITTLE BIATCH AJPRICE. I'll buy them next year if I d*mn well please, who the he11 are you to be telling a person you don't even know to stop whining. That's what this board is for.
I certainly won't sell them to a jackazz like yourself, I bought them to throw and possibly trade. Oh, and what's LAME is seeing your LAME reply to my post. This board is for whining, crying, arguing, talking smack or whatever you want it to be. YOU need to grow up, it's obvious you are ENVIOUS of everyone else who ordered. You live how far away from Innova, 30 minutes? And you got shut out?!? That's your fault buddy, nobody elses. You had 24 hours to order, I ordered mine close to midnight. Now go sulk in your pathetic little corner and get over it.

BOTTOM LINE: Don't promise what you CAN'T deliver.

I'm sure ZD and Innova will handle the Champion Roc response MUCHO better next year :D

LMAO!!! :D

Well, I didn't mean totally transparent, but much less opaque than a pearl white beast (as an example). It doesn't have the milky opacity I was expecting to see in a glow disc. I'll see if a can take a picture tonight and post it up here...

Originally I didn't think it was a Glo Roc. I ran to the crapper and turned the lights off and ...... it glowed!

I guess everyone has there own opinion.

I know many people didnt get a chance to buy their MAX Weight 04 CE ROC... here may be your chance:

I have a 2004 CE Roc: 180 Grams that i threw 4 x in a practice field. This disc has a few minor scratches on the top of this disc. I would definitely call this disc "BARELY USED". If you didnt get a chance to buy one, and were looking to throw one, here it is now. There is no writing on this disc.

It sports a royal blue claw stamp and the disc is flourescent yellow. Definitely a HOT disc.

I am looking to trade this disc for an '02 CE Roc Max Weight. Many people didnt really care for the '02s but i like how they feel. Please let me know if you have one for trade. I will also take offers. Please PM me.

Then YES I would have to agree TRANSLUCENT is about the right TERM /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have a "USDGC Stars" green, 170g and a "Hole 5" pearl, 168g. i would like to trade either one (stamp for stamp or a "Ring of Rocs') 167g or lighter. please e-mail me at
[email protected]

When are the stinking glows gonna sell out???


:D

I ordered twice, I can't afford anymore right now. You'd think those people paying $50 on eBay for the regular ones would pick up the glows. Go figure!

You'd think those people paying $50 on eBay for the regular ones would pick up the glows. Go figure!



Heh heh heh. Don't foget that people were ******** and whining on here about how unfair the limited distribution of the 2001 CE Rocs were and how they couldn't get any when they were still available at ZoneDriven!

I've decided to use one of my Glow CE Rocs because they haven't sold out already... I thought they would be way more collectable!

Erick

IMHO the glow is the money disc. They are slightly more overstable and feel and fly awesome. They will be coveted as much for there flight characteristics as there collectability.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I ordered 2 Glo'Z,1 hole #5, then ordered 3 More Glo'Z figuring soon they would Sell Out :eek: . Come on people buy more GLO'Z.

I can not afford any more :(

THEY ARE AWSOME FLYER'Z :cool:/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

NO REALLY IT'S TRUE

Does anyone know how many glow Roc's ZD has left? They may go faster is everyone knew there were only a few left.

Has anyobdy thrown these yet? How are they flying? I think that I've seen somewhere that they are really overstable, which is not what I want in a Roc.

how bout those wasps and buzzs

Dear Rob -

I checked on the remaining Glo CE Rocs this morning. There are less than 300 remaining.

Take care,


Harold

Harold,
Thx for checking. I may just have to place my third order. I saw someone bought a glow last night on eBay for $60, painful for the buyer.

Well finally got my "180 04 GLO" to FLIP. MAX POWER RIP'Z into about 35-40 MPH on the OREGON Coast. It was really pretty COOL to throw about 75% POWER and have it go STRAIGHT about 200' then just HOVER until the SPIN subsided if i could still RUN FAST, i would have had some real good TRC'Z

THANX DAVE,HAROLD,INNOVA DISC'Z.

The SILVER STAMP though is coming off pretty quick as my littlest KENNY'Z & BARRY'Z are pretty much GONE. Oh well it does'nt EFFECT the FLIGHT. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I hit my second ace ever last night with my 179 blue, Hole 5 stamp, 04 Roc! Hole #12 in Montrose, Colorado. Both my aces are on this hole and both times with Rocs (first with an orange DX Roc) Who else has hit an ace with their new Rocs? I know I can't be the first.

I hit "DEAD CENTER" :D with my GLO yesterday. On Dabney State Park Hole #5 only to have it splash out :( :( :( It just FEEL'Z like it has a lot of ACE'Z /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif in it!!!!

I hit hole 9 at Fewell park (150 ft tight tree lined chute to an old old old mach I) with my new Pro Aviar (small bead prototype) second throw of the day... second Fewell ace, and my second recorded ace (I count anything over 100 ft)

I thought the new Pro Aviars were big bead? Will they be coming out in small bead and if so how soon?

Innova team members already have them(small bead). Billy Crump let me see his this weekend, along with his special stamped super roc! They feel great!

How many aces do you actually have under 100ft?

An ACE is an ACE in my book.

Hey Matt-

I sent Zeb a flier for the Alamance Pro-Am for you to put up on the CDGC website. Did you ever get that from him?

-m

Throwin' a glo myself. Nice and stable, and it feels great!

Excellent job Innova!!!

-m

Does anybody want to trade 2 SE Rocs for 1 of my 04 CE Rocs?

email me @ [email protected]

JD Lee

Mike W, I got it, shrank it to web size.... and sorta forgot...

I'll get it up there tonight. It was a warm day and I had to throw some discs. Threw my Orc farther than ever, Stan and I were at the Reedy Creek driving range, and we both threw our orcs about 450 or so. THis thing rules. Threw my white 177 Hole 5 stamped Roc today... I need to get used to it, I am releasing early or late.

Cool!

Thx man!

Sounds like i need an Orc! Nice tug!

-m

I have a few 2004 CE Rocs available for sale. I'm selling them at a $10 markup to raise money for the SoCal Finals. I'm hoping to sell them to people in SoCal who missed out on getting them from ZoneDriven, but if you are interested and can't meet me face-to-face you too can buy them, but you'll have to pay shipping. :)

Send email inquiries to: [email protected]

I will also be at the ElDo monthly (the supertour of monthlies) this coming Saturday. SO come on by and get yer CE Roc fix and support the SoCal Disc Golf Championships at the same time!

Hey Matt -

You know if there are anymore CE glo x-outs around down there? I'd love to get my hands on one, I PM'd Harold when he first posted about the x-outs, but he never responded.

Thanks

nope, they are all gone.

bummer, I need something more stable than my 03's

i have two left, i might be willing to trade one...pM me and let me know what you'd trade for it, both 180 Glo

Erick

what will you sell one of those xout glow max weight ce rocs for

They're actually not X outs... they're perfect!!! in bag... pls PM me and let me know what you have to trade... mainly use CE Plastic (originals)...

just changing the message title....

Just threw my 2004 Champion Glow Roc tonight for the first time. All I can say is wow. So stable. Almost a bit too much...but you can really crank on this thing and it will fly forever. I've said it 10 times already..but the champion glow plastic is MUCH better than the regular champion plastic. Reminds me more of the old CE plastic. So, #550 of 1550 is officially off the mint market. And lovin' every minute of it. Keep makin' more of the CFR glow discs!

Are any online retailers selling 04 Rocs?

Or would anyone like to sell me 1 or 2. I am trying to avoid Ebay. Takes too much time.

KID, i have a very slightly 180 claw that i'm willing to let go... its bright yellow with royal blue claw stamp... it has been used in one round of golf, great shape... pls pm me with an offer ($$$ wise of disc trades)... Erick

p.s. i'd ship it tomorrow, priority

Thanks but I am really looking for mint condition. It will go straight to the wall.

ok, in that case, discovering hte world has them for sale, DTWORLD.com

thanks.

ok I just looked and can only fin the GLO Rocs.

I must be blind.

Maybe :o


go to the fundraiser section, then click on ce rocs, they're $40.00

Go to bottom, CE Roc... (http://www.dtworld.com/candy_fundraisers_this_is_your_c.htm)

$40 shipped, and you help the SoCal Disc Golf Championships. :)

[email protected]

I took some pictures last night. I should get them posted tonight. Email me at that address.

Still looking for a Glo Xout CE Roc... don't want to pay $40 for something I am going to throw, $25 sounds fine tho. I do have some desireable plastic for trade for anyone who steps forward.

Hey Rhett did you get my last e-mail....does one of those Roc's have my name on it?

MS

yes.

Rhett, you have mail. :)

Excellent. I like Rocs. All flavors...peach, candy, whatever.

MS

Still looking for a Glo Xout CE Roc... don't want to pay $40 for something I am going to throw, $25 sounds fine tho. I do have some desireable plastic for trade for anyone who steps forward.



Send me a list of what you've got. (Gonna have to be some awfully tasty plastic to get me to bite, though.)

I actually got a bite for a #'d one and not an xout

hey aj, is it possible you send a pic of the disc? did it come off?

Disc is at my parents house, I am at my girlfriend's apartment taking care of her while she's sick. When I make it back there I will send you pics.

How about a slightly used 179g 8X KC roc?

Well, I finally found a pearl white with blue stamp hole 5 ROC.

For anyone who had one and didn't wish to trade it to me, the trading person was offered quite a premium package for that disc. 2 CE Rocs (a pearl white with red hole 5 to replace the white pearl disc he traded and a glow with a blue stamp to replace the blue stamp he traded) also 2 of the Pro Worlds wolf stamps in the glitter Z plasitc (a wildcat and a wasp).

Now the important part, I don't think it was a bad trade to complete my set of pearl white with blue stamp CE ROCS.

Good job Gary. You are generous with the trades. ;)

M_cephalus

You got a PM from me.

I posted pictured of the ones I have for sale here:

http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/

If you are in SoCal, send me an email with the disc number you want and I can meet you at the ElDo monthly Saturday.

Your Star stamps are not loading.

Thanks. It's fixed now.

Forget about #6...IT'S MINE!

If you go look and hit "refresh", you'll not see #6. :)

Makes it easy to forget then, don't it!

Does anyone have any of these they are willing to part with. They would not be used for resale but for my own use. So if your not wanting to become rich overnight and have one you are will to part with let me know please. Looks like I missed the boat on these.

you've got a pm

i posted an 03 and 04 ce roc on traders row

I have a problem with my 166g 2004 CE Roc. Normally I use a Roc for *straight* throws through tight alleys, and for accuracy. I use a Roc on holes 300 feet or less or also on approaches of that distance on par four or par five holes.

Lately, I've noticed inconsistency with this disc. Many times I will throw this disc TOO far. Granted, I've never used such a light mid-range disc before (I normally throw 170-174 g discs) so I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this phenomenon with a 2004 CE Roc. I can usually control distance very well with any other mid-range disc, so I wonder if I am throwing it too far because it's a 2004 CE Roc or just because it's light? Should it be obvious that the reason is the light weight of the disc?

It has seemed to me that the 2004 ROC is faster than the 03 and 02. When I was using the ROC, it seemed to get to the target faster than the previous years and and stayed on the line thrown better also. As for the weight, a lighter disc has a tendency to turnover, and I would think that a ROC may not be all that noticable in turning over, but it will ever so slightly and thus stays on a given straight line longer. Thus the extra distance.

Just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, which wouldn't be the first time.

Actually, due to its light weight I've been throwing it with a slight amount of hyzer angle so I don't have any problems with it turning over. But your observation that it's a much faster disc would make a lot of sense as to why it's going farther than other Rocs or mid-range discs.

You got better at throwing. Therefore, your disc goes farther. The more you throw a certain disc, the more dialed in you'll be to it's inclinations. I would say you are dialed in on this disc and the distance is an added bonus. Now you just need to figure out how to control your distance.

I don't particularly take the "it's faster than other CE Rocs" thing. it's a Roc. Probably just found the optimal throw for the disc. I have an 02 CE Roc and it goes farther than any other Roc I've ever thrown, But I think it's a lot to do with the stability of the disc and the fact that it doesn't have many nicks and such. Maybe I'm crazy.

You so crazy!

4 days til Iowa!!!