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AWSmith
Oct 21 2011, 11:19 AM
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/2012_Worlds_-_Amateur_Invite_Criteria_0.pdf

Question:
For points qualification- Does one need to have their 500 points in MA1 to qualify? or is it just AM points in general?

keithjohnson
Oct 21 2011, 07:45 PM
Points are either AM or PRO - doesn't matter where they came from - you would need to play ADV or age protected (if eligible) anyways as there is no INT or REC or Novice divisions at Worlds.

keithjohnson
Oct 21 2011, 07:48 PM
E-mail sent to Andrew about hopeful typo on the junior age issue.

Alot of multiple Junior World Champs (as well as Future World Champions :) ) and their parents will not be happy if it is not a typo.

terrorlax
Oct 28 2011, 11:10 AM
Can we still earn points in 2012 leading up to the 2012 worlds?

cgkdisc
Oct 28 2011, 11:41 AM
No. Invites will be posted in early Feb based on points earned in 2011. All members will be able to enter around mid-May after those who have invites have the chance to register for 60 days. Any points you earn in 2012 go toward a potential invite in 2013.

jcrab66
Oct 30 2011, 12:25 AM
is there any criteria published yet for 2012 US Masters?

cgkdisc
Oct 30 2011, 11:47 AM
No invites. Open to all who turn 40 or older in 2012.

jcrab66
Oct 30 2011, 02:58 PM
wow, guess you just have to be quick when registration opens then!

cgkdisc
Oct 30 2011, 04:53 PM
I think there will be 4 or 5 courses used in 2012 so it shouldn't be that tough.

wyattcoggin
Nov 30 2011, 05:58 PM
E-mail sent to Andrew about hopeful typo on the junior age issue.

Alot of multiple Junior World Champs (as well as Future World Champions :) ) and their parents will not be happy if it is not a typo.


Not sure what you are referring to the Criteria has not changed from my sons first worlds 2006

Criteria #2

Younger Divisions - all male and female Amateur members born 1998 or later who played in a Tour event in 2011.

(No matter what there Points Standing is. This has always been a way to encourage and promote junior players to compete at world championships. Rules for the age protected divisions superceedes all other requirements)

keithjohnson
Nov 30 2011, 09:08 PM
Not sure what you are referring to the Criteria has not changed from my sons first worlds 2006

Criteria #2

Younger Divisions - all male and female Amateur members born 1998 or later who played in a Tour event in 2011.

(No matter what there Points Standing is. This has always been a way to encourage and promote junior players to compete at world championships. Rules for the age protected divisions superceedes all other requirements)

Wyatt -you are missing the important change I was talking about it now has a YEAR listed instead of ALL juniors as it used to be - keeping JUNIORS born BEFORE 1998 from entering if they just played a PDGA Event in the previous year as it had always been and CHANGING it for those born BEFORE 1998 to having to not only have played a PDGA Event in the previous year, but having to have a minimum amount of points - meaning playing 3-4-5-6 (Depending on how bad a player you were) PDGA Events to get the same invitation you used to get by just being a JUNIOR OF ANY AGE member and playing 1 PDGA Event.

By the time this info came out - there is no time for JUNIORS born BEFORE 1998 to earn points in most areas of the country as this time of year PDGA sanctioned Events are winding down or do not have divisions suitable to be able to make any points (such as playing ADV women or Pro Women where you would only earn 1 point for playing.

So long story short - the criteria HAS changed and with no advance notice it possibly WOULD BE changing until it was practically too late for people to try to qualify for the NEWLY CHANGED criteria.

Keith

wyattcoggin
Nov 30 2011, 10:13 PM
Keith Thanks I see what you mean now. I had a nicer long reply typed in word can't get it to post. will try again later

wyattcoggin
Nov 30 2011, 10:14 PM
Keith- Thank you. I do see now. The date didn't not look wrong .I know Andrew will get an Invite. It is hard to believe he is no longer playing 10 and under. " that was a few Titles ago.(this year is his last in 16 and under). ." I do see the problem and as you know, you and I have spoken out for the young disc golfers of the World many times. I hope the PDGA can make the Proper allowances for this. or at least change it back. 2012 will be the 7th worlds Andrew has competed in and the 7th that I have enjoyed as a caddie/father/Disc Golfer. in all these years I have never seen a Jr. Disc Golfer that did not deserve to be there and to complete. I have always felt enough has never been done for them. We must encourage them to want to return. they should be the spot light of week. our Future is in their hands.

So to leave out or make it harder for them to get in is the wrong direction for the PDGA. Thank you again for pointing out what I missed. hope to see you in 2012.

Andrew still remembers signing your world champion t-Shirt. one of his favorite memories.
<O:p</O:p
Wyatt Coggin Jr.

bruce_brakel
Dec 01 2011, 12:02 AM
You need to remember that those are the qualifications for an invitation, not the qualifications to compete. Older juniors who did not earn their points will still be able to sign up when registration is opened to all PDGA members.

wyattcoggin
Dec 01 2011, 02:14 PM
You need to remember that those are the qualifications for an invitation, not the qualifications to compete. Older juniors who did not earn their points will still be able to sign up when registration is opened to all PDGA members.


Very true. but take it from a Disc Golfer that is not a World Class player. Who can not compete at the level that a World Championship Requires. when I get my invitation letter every year I feel a little extra pride in myself.

keithjohnson
Dec 01 2011, 09:38 PM
You need to remember that those are the qualifications for an invitation, not the qualifications to compete. Older juniors who did not earn their points will still be able to sign up when registration is opened to all PDGA members.

True Bruce, but keep in mind with it being a combined Worlds with a limited number of players - Juniors may be on the BOTTOM of people or last to be invited if spots remain (which I believe is the reason for the change to begin with as the PROS would whine like crazy if they had to be waitlisted while a junior got in) - it will go PROS first, them AMS - so we'll see if any can get to sign up or get in that aren't invited - but if Santa Cruz in 2011 is any indication - NO ONE who wasn't invited and wanted to play who wasn't REGISTERED as a PRO got in and it sold out 2 months in advance.
Unless you were the sportman of the year and then you could just show up to play. :(

Bruce, You are usually pretty imformative and very knowledgeable about the sport, but on this point - you are way off - and it would be sad to see my daughter (a member since the year she was born 14 years ago and the youngest person to play in a PRO worlds) along with scores of other juniors who might not be able to play because the PDGA CHANGED the criteria for invites at the end of the year with NO warnings or hints that the criteria was under consideration to be changed before this late date, so that they could plan their schedules accordingly to have a chance to be invited - when in the past, they only had to be a member AND participate in a PDGA sanctioned Event during the previous year NO MATTER thier age (as long as they were 19 and under).

This change (ESPECIALLY during a combined Worlds which ALWAYS has more family and Juniors that travel together) sucks and I'm going to continue to ask the powers to be to put in the change in for 2013 instead which would give everyone 13 months to plan as well as the ability to send it out in E-Mails, and newsletters to make sure that ALL paying PDGA Members have that knowledge, instead of just saying it at the end of the year when no one can do anything about it as it was done this year.

keithjohnson
Dec 01 2011, 09:45 PM
I do see the problem and as you know, you and I have spoken out for the young disc golfers of the World many times. I hope the PDGA can make the Proper allowances for this. or at least change it back. 2012 will be the 7th worlds Andrew has competed in and the 7th that I have enjoyed as a caddie/father/Disc Golfer. in all these years I have never seen a Jr. Disc Golfer that did not deserve to be there and to complete. I have always felt enough has never been done for them. We must encourage them to want to return. they should be the spot light of week. our Future is in their hands

So to leave out or make it harder for them to get in is the wrong direction for the PDGA. Thank you again for pointing out what I missed. hope to see you in 2012. Andrew still remembers signing your world champion t-Shirt. one of his favorite memories. :p

Wyatt Coggin Jr.

I still have that shirt and will have it agin this year for Andrew to sign again!

I'll be there regardless, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Lorelei - who only gets to play in combined Worlds at this point in her life.

Keith

cgkdisc
Dec 01 2011, 10:14 PM
Keith, Juniors are playing different courses than the pros. The FJ1 & FJ2 field size caps are based primarily on junior entries and am women with additional flexibility if needed since 14 courses are being used.

bruce_brakel
Dec 01 2011, 10:20 PM
Keith, Juniors are playing different courses than the pros. The FJ1 & FJ2 field size caps are based primarily on junior entries and am women with additional flexibility if needed since 14 courses are being used.Keith, what Chuck might be saying is that Juniors will have one or more pools of their own. A junior playing on junior courses will not be taking a spot away from a pro on the pro courses, and vice versa. Besides, given the obvious reason for running the pros at the same event as the ams, the organizers will not be shorting themselves on Ams so they can wedge in more pros. That would be like expanding the size of the NBA team to 100 and then getting rid of the courtside seating! :eek:

keithjohnson
Dec 01 2011, 10:51 PM
Keith, what Chuck might be saying is that Juniors will have one or more pools of their own.

That's how KC did it in 09, and the Juniors seemed to enjoy it, plus it allowed them to schedule outside things to as a group if they opted to do so. Hopefully that would happen or at least be a consideration in Charlotte.

Hopefully this all works out - everyone who wants to play gets in, and there are no issues -and lastly I would also hope that the GM's get to play tougher courses than the juniors do unlike the way it was in 2009.


Even if everything does work out lovingly - It still doesn't overide the way it was BADLY handled and presented with no chance to discuss, and NO explanation of why it was done - If any Junior can get in anyways in 2012, why is there an age limit or that you have to have X number of points or you don't get an invite? - instead of the way it had been where EVERY Junior gets invited and EVERY Legend gets invited as it had been in the past - and THEN you institute the plan with points going forward in 2013 and the future where you won't have 14 courses - and you WILL have to cap the entry number of players making the points mean something.

pterodactyl
Dec 14 2011, 12:30 PM
It's never too early to start chatting about the upcoming world championships. Can't wait!

MTL21676
Dec 14 2011, 01:12 PM
As North Carolina State Coordinator I want to personally encourage anyone and everyone to attend what is planning to be the biggest worlds ever next summer in our beautiful state and great city of Charlotte.

The combination of world class courses, a top notch city and a staff I can personally assure you is working non stop for you, this worlds will be a true experience for anyone lucky enough to attend.

Can't wait to see everyone in my home state that I'm proud to represent!

stratus1005
Dec 15 2011, 12:26 AM
Any idea what courses Masters and Grandmasters will be playing? I would like to spend a couple of weekends playing them if possible. I realize the possibility that some of the courses are not completed yet. Any updates would be greatly appreciated. IMO this worlds could easily fill. Don't fool around, enter asap.

MrJB
Dec 19 2011, 11:40 AM
Stratus- I was told Masters are going to be playing Hornets Nest, Renaissance, and Eastway? Not sure of the name of that last one.

I am curious if we are going to be playing The Web, and Renny Gold layouts?

bgwvdave
Dec 19 2011, 05:45 PM
for what it is worth....and this is tothahaly hypothetical the Worlds Preview video Clash DVD put out did list the courses to be played for MPM as Hornets Nest, Renny, and Eastway. BUT i have talked with serveral queen city natives that are involved in the planning and they seem to think that nothing is set in stone yet.
MrJB i am with you as well in that i would like to know if we will play the web and renny gold. both would make for the perfect one day tee time rounds that worlds has. More info. hopefully coming soon.

drdisc
Dec 24 2011, 12:32 AM
Good article on you guys in Charlotte in the latest issue. I always enjoyed it there.

bruce_brakel
Dec 24 2011, 02:14 PM
Anybody have any information on what courses are likely to be played by MA1 Advanced Men or Advanced Women? Of those courses, do you know which are likely to be open on Christmas Day?

thediscinmusician
Dec 27 2011, 10:18 PM
Most likely planning on coming in July for my 1st Worlds. I'm pretty excited. Can someone tell me what average entry fee is for MA1 and what a players pack might consist of? Also maybe a rough timeline of events from Saturday to Saturday. Thanks.

bruce_brakel
Dec 27 2011, 11:43 PM
The tournament itself is usually around $100, but there are optional games for mixed doubles, distance, mini golf, putting and skills.

Which reminds me, if a top amateur man wants to play the mixed doubles with a top amateur woman, my daughter Kiralyn will be looking for a partner. My wife will be looking for a partner too.

hvnafit
Dec 28 2011, 02:40 PM
I have just found a Place to stay for Worlds!!!! Sending money to told hold the place 1st week of Jan. So excitied!
So can someone tell me when the invites come out?
How many points are needed for Pro Grand Masters?????

pitsniper
Dec 29 2011, 03:21 PM
Any word or web site explaining the schedule of the worlds. I'm not concerned about the courses at this point. I know they will rock, but I need to find out when the opening ceremony is, the first day of play, last day of play, etc. so I can get off of work. Thanks
Henry

keithjohnson
Dec 29 2011, 10:26 PM
Dates are July 14-21st 2012

Historically - Mixed doubles and field Events are on Sun and MON. Singles play runs TUES thru SAT with cut to top Semi-final positions for each divison on FRI and Semi-finals and Finals are on SAT afternoon - so you are for saure playing singles TUES- FRI and if good enough SAT.

Good luck with your plans and see you there.

Keith

hvnafit
Jan 04 2012, 09:31 AM
Anyone have a approx date as to when the invites are sent out?????

Thanks!

cgkdisc
Jan 04 2012, 10:21 AM
Invites are posted online in early February once yearend point totals are final. Email invites with more event details are usually sent mid-March.

bruce_brakel
Jan 06 2012, 11:15 PM
Hey, if anyone knows, for the distance contest at Worlds, can a player compete in a division for which he or she is eligible even if that is not the division he or she is playing for Singles? Can a person pay more than one entry fee for distance and compete in more than one division? Various players named Brakel need to know! :D

CB2
Jan 07 2012, 03:29 AM
Is the host hotel waving the $13 a day parking fee for tournament players?

jflick
Jan 11 2012, 01:18 PM
Anyone know of information on costs for a spot at the flymart and how to attain spot?

Bruce, I may be looking for a partner for mixed doubles if your daughter is still looking for one.

Cant wait for my first Worlds!

discmaster
Jan 12 2012, 08:30 AM
Is the host hotel waving the $13 a day parking fee for tournament players?

believe we have that lowered to 5 per night.

DoughDuff
Jan 12 2012, 12:04 PM
Is the host hotel waving the $13 a day parking fee for tournament players?

Where did you get info on the host hotel?

keithjohnson
Jan 12 2012, 11:33 PM
Where did you get info on the host hotel?

Home page of this site, left hand stories - the one titled 2012 Worlds Hotel.

thediscinmusician
Jan 15 2012, 08:47 AM
Quick question while I'm thinking of it. I'm planning on coming and playing in Advanced division and it's my first Worlds. What is Dress Code? I read the rules in the PDGA Guide and it states for a major (which this is) that it's a polo or dri-fit tshirt NOT a regular cotton tshirt unless you're a junior or am. Would Advanced be considered an AM in worlds? I'm just basically asking if I could wear a plain tshirt for prelims on T/W/Th/F? Thanks!

CB2
Jan 15 2012, 12:22 PM
Where did you get info on the host hotel?

In the Notification and fees section around the bottom of the page

http://www.hotels.com/hotel/details.html?pa=3&pn=1&ps=3&tab=description&destinationId=1407168&hotelId=109487&arrivalDate=07-03-12&departureDate=07-12-12&rooms[0].numberOfAdults=2&rooms[1].numberOfAdults=2&roomno=2&validate=false&previousDateful=false&reviewOrder=date_newest_first

LegoRules
Jan 17 2012, 07:04 PM
[QUOTE=keithjohnson;1464466]True Bruce, but keep in mind with it being a combined Worlds with a limited number of players - Juniors may be on the BOTTOM of people or last to be invited if spots remain (which I believe is the reason for the change to begin with as the PROS would whine like crazy if they had to be waitlisted while a junior got in) - it will go PROS first, them AMS - so we'll see if any can get to sign up or get in that aren't invited - but if Santa Cruz in 2011 is any indication - (NO ONE who wasn't invited and wanted to play who wasn't REGISTERED as a PRO got in and it sold out 2 months in advance.)
Unless you were the sportman of the year and then you could just show up to play. :(


Actually I don't think this is correct. I know there were at least two amateur masters women that were not invited, and able to get in. Myself being one of them. I know I was able to register only a couple of hours after it open to non invitee amateurs. It did sell out very quick at that point, but some amateurs did get in. It was an awesome experience.

Can't wait for 2012 Worlds!!

Cindy :)

LegoRules
Jan 17 2012, 07:10 PM
believe we have that lowered to 5 per night.

How about internet charges? I hear it is only free in the lobby. It would be nice to have discounted internet in the rooms. BTW I already have my room booked at the Blake, and it is nice to hear that maybe the parking fees have been reduced.

Cindy :)

hvnafit
Jan 18 2012, 09:37 AM
I have rented a house for my worlds experance. what are we going to do for parking when we attend the registration, the fly mart, the hall of fame induction cermory, after parties (if they are at the hotel), etc

Spinthrift
Jan 18 2012, 11:44 AM
I have rented a house for my worlds experance. what are we going to do for parking when we attend the registration, the fly mart, the hall of fame induction cermory, after parties (if they are at the hotel), etc

Parking won't be an issue. You can pay to park at the hotel or at the cheaper Courthouse deck about two blocks away. There is also on-street parking a block away, and more beyond that (after 6 pm it's free). There is also a church pay lot two blocks away that's reasonably priced.

pterodactyl
Jan 23 2012, 01:57 PM
Does the great state of North Carolina have a no-smoking policy in eateries? I would guess "not" since Sir Walter Raleigh and the tobacco growers probably have a lobbying grip lock on the state and one of its biggest cash crops.

MTL21676
Jan 23 2012, 02:00 PM
Does the great state of North Carolina have a no-smoking policy in eateries? I would guess "not" since Sir Walter Raleigh and the tobacco growers probably have a lobbying grip lock on the state and one of its biggest cash crops.

Haha, funny.

But yes, it is illegal to smoke inside eateries and bars in NC.

pterodactyl
Jan 23 2012, 02:16 PM
That's good news. Thanks, Robert.

sammyshaheen
Jan 26 2012, 10:19 PM
I have 505 total points. Roughly half from AM1 and half from
MPO. Do I qualify? Will I get an invite?
Want to book a room but need more clarification.

Thanks

cgkdisc
Jan 27 2012, 01:02 AM
The points don't add together. Your am points are used to qualify for an am invite and your pro points go towards an possible pro invite. The invite criteria for this year is on links on this page: http://www.pdga.com/world-championships

sammyshaheen
Jan 27 2012, 11:00 AM
Well that stinks. When will registration open up for everyone?
That is if spots are available.
Anyone know how many spots will be available for either
AM1 or MPO?

Thanks

cgkdisc
Jan 27 2012, 11:49 AM
Open reg is usually available just after the middle of May.

pterodactyl
Jan 27 2012, 12:27 PM
Well that stinks. When will registration open up for everyone?
That is if spots are available.
Anyone know how many spots will be available for either
AM1 or MPO?

Thanks

Don't worry. If you don't get an invitation you will still get "in" when you send in your reggie on the first day you are allowed to send it. If you snooze, you may not get "in".

sammyshaheen
Jan 27 2012, 03:14 PM
Pterodactyl
I appreciate your help. Please clarify. I should just register when it opens and
that puts me on some sort of waiting list?
Thanks again. Not going to miss this worlds if I can help it.

pterodactyl
Jan 27 2012, 03:33 PM
Pterodactyl
I appreciate your help. Please clarify. I should just register when it opens and
that puts me on some sort of waiting list?
Thanks again. Not going to miss this worlds if I can help it.

The people with the invites have the first chance to sign up. When that time frame ends, all others that want to play can sign up. The invitees never fill the tournament. If you sign up the first day (I recommend doing that electronically) following the "invites only" you will be "in" the worlds and not on any waiting list. See you there! KL

gnduke
Feb 03 2012, 09:46 PM
I think eagle club members should get automatic invites. :)

keithjohnson
Feb 04 2012, 10:02 PM
I think eagle club members should get automatic invites. :)

They already HAVE your 2 grand Gary - It doesn't matter what you think anymore. :)

What are you gonna do, not renew - too late - you've renewed forever (insert evil laugh here) ;)

Spinthrift
Feb 07 2012, 09:41 AM
For those making travel and housing plans for Charlotte, here are the Google maps for 2012 Worlds courses by division:
http://www.charlottedgc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/pdf-Maps-by-Division.pdf

Here's the Google map with all 2012 Worlds courses and The Blake, the host hotel:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=212535348942853253969.0004a72b0f79a6a2733fe&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=35.353216%2C-80.734406&spn=0.792997%2C1.912994&z=10

deoldphart
Feb 08 2012, 06:57 PM
Ill be at the Host Hotel, looking for a roomate to share cost.

CHAS
Feb 09 2012, 10:14 PM
Might not stay at the Blake nothing bad just Super 8 Budget. Any suggestions? Would something closer to AM Grandmasters courses. Also anyone's spouse like to to shop second hand store or garage sale my wife does to. PM me I will start looking for a motel soon. thanks for all input.

hvnafit
Feb 10 2012, 09:11 AM
Chas
I researched houses and townhouses. i found a townhouse for $800 from saturday the 14th until saturday the 21st. 4 of us are splitting the cost. farthest course was 45 mins away. 20 mins from the blake hotel. you might want to search "vacation houses charlotte nc".

CHAS
Feb 10 2012, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the reply. I have not looked at other places to stay other than a Motel. Thanke for input. I will consider.

CHAS
Feb 11 2012, 09:23 PM
I am not aquainted how a townhouse or (timeshare) works please eloborate.

dgconsultant
Feb 12 2012, 02:33 AM
Check out VRBO.com (vacation rentals by owner). We found our townhouse rental in Kansas City for 2009 and for Charlotte we've rented a quaint downtown apartment. For some this is a more desired alternative than staying in a hotel for 7 to 10 days...

hvnafit
Feb 13 2012, 12:52 PM
I totally agree. you have a washer/dryer, your own kitchen, a area to lay back and relax after a hard days round with sofa and recline and they are usually cleaner. also will house more people therefore less cost person. Yes VRBO.com is where i found this.

CHAS
Feb 14 2012, 10:16 PM
Run that by my wife she prefers a Motel kind of narrowed it down to matthews area or Rock hill SC. Matthews cause closer to the courses AM Grandmasters will be playing but Rock Hill seems to be quieter neighborhood. Any help from the locals?

Sharky
Feb 16 2012, 09:48 AM
Well I am not a local but I have been down to Rock Hill a few times spectating at the USDGC, and I would recommend the Econo Lodge, inexpensive, and a decent place to stay from my experience.

deoldphart
Feb 16 2012, 06:55 PM
Any word on Invites yet.

steveganz
Feb 21 2012, 09:37 PM
http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/worlds-invites

ishkatbible
Feb 22 2012, 10:17 AM
so... i get an invite for the first time. and i might be able to make it. any word on what i should be expecting to pay as an entry fee? (ma1) i can't seem to find it.

LegoRules
Feb 22 2012, 05:05 PM
Any chance advanced masters women would be in the same pool as advanced women?

Cindy :)

saylor
Feb 22 2012, 05:16 PM
the interwebz reviews on that hotel say it is pretty run down, and alot of complaints about small bathrooms and no hot water . . .anyone ever stayed there?
- saylor

cgkdisc
Feb 22 2012, 05:42 PM
Advanced Masters Women are not with Advanced Women except both are playing different Elon courses one afternoon. Adv Master Women are pooled with Adv GM Women and the two oldest Junior girls divisions. You'll play a few rounds with other smaller divisions like the Pro Master and GM women.

AnotherSteve
Feb 26 2012, 07:45 PM
Check out VRBO.com (vacation rentals by owner). We found our townhouse rental in Kansas City for 2009 and for Charlotte we've rented a quaint downtown apartment. For some this is a more desired alternative than staying in a hotel for 7 to 10 days...

I used this website to acquire Great Lodging.

Will Rock Hill be Open for Play. I want to Play all the courses I'm not going to Play...

debbiescott
Mar 01 2012, 11:56 AM
the interwebz reviews on that hotel say it is pretty run down, and alot of complaints about small bathrooms and no hot water . . .anyone ever stayed there?
- saylor

I am Debbie Scott, the social media coordinator for the World tournament.

We shared your concerns about The Blake with their management, and below is the response. Also know that the 2012 Worlds Host Committee made sure of The Blake�s suitability before the contract was signed. This is also one of the principal hotels slated for use by delegations to the Democratic National Convention. The reviews do not reflect conditions we will see for the week of 2012 Worlds.

�Thank you for your concerns. Please know that we are currently renovating the entire North Tower of the hotel, which is closed to hotel guests. The recent comments have been about this tower.

�The South Tower, which is a separate tower and the tower 2012 Worlds guests will be in, has been open for a number of years and with the exception of the Beer Garden mentioned in the report, this tower isn't part of the recent comments. The Beer Garden is under construction and is another area also closed to hotel guests.

�The meeting and convention space is open for use, is safe and is not an area to be concerned about. Hot water issues have been addressed with two new boilers.�

Sincerely,
Jerry Lotich,
The Blake Hotel

Fossil
Mar 03 2012, 01:21 PM
See CNN has coverage of Reedy Creek area closed because of March 2nd tornadoes.

Is everyone OK and what is the condition of the courses?

bruce_brakel
Mar 03 2012, 01:25 PM
Any chance advanced masters women would be in the same pool as advanced women?

Cindy :)Sorry Cindy. This is one area where in recent years the preferences of men, based on theoretical ideas about ratings and skill level, have consistantly won out over the expressed preferences of the women competitors who would like to play in the same pool as their daughters, sisters and travelling companions. :mad:

LegoRules
Mar 03 2012, 11:16 PM
Sorry Cindy. This is one area where in recent years the preferences of men, based on theoretical ideas about ratings and skill level, have consistantly won out over the expressed preferences of the women competitors who would like to play in the same pool as their daughters, sisters and travelling companions. :mad:

Yay my travel buddy will be playing in advanced women, and it would have made it so much easier to be in the same pool. Oh well :(

Cindy :)

redsoxfan74
Mar 05 2012, 08:22 AM
I just went to register in the MA1 division and noticed the 935+ in parentheses. Does that mean that I have to be rated that high to compete even though I recieved an invite? Thanks!

ThePatrick
Mar 05 2012, 09:38 PM
Is it possible to compete in just the field events and dubs if you aren't playing in Worlds? (I was invited, just have other things to do that week)

keithjohnson
Mar 05 2012, 10:32 PM
I just went to register in the MA1 division and noticed the 935+ in parentheses. Does that mean that I have to be rated that high to compete even though I recieved an invite? Thanks!

No - there are no lower divisions (except Juniors) offered at Worlds - so ADV is where you would play unless age or Gender protected.

keithjohnson
Mar 05 2012, 10:34 PM
Is it possible to compete in just the field events and dubs if you aren't playing in Worlds? (I was invited, just have other things to do that week)

Yes - just choose the field Events or doubles options you wish from the drop down box on the registration page.

ERicJ
Mar 06 2012, 01:59 AM
In the past worlds registration forms have allowed you to specify other individuals with whom you are sharing transportation, to request that you be placed in the same pool. I don't see that on the 2012 form. Any plan to accommodate that?

Spinthrift
Mar 08 2012, 05:21 PM
In the past worlds registration forms have allowed you to specify other individuals with whom you are sharing transportation, to request that you be placed in the same pool. I don't see that on the 2012 form. Any plan to accommodate that?

It is unlikely due to the sheer numbers expected. With more than 1,000 entrants in 25 divisions spread across fourteen courses it would be very difficult to accommodate pool requests. Plus, who's playing where is a crap shoot after the 2nd-day shuffle, anyway. The Host Committee is looking at ways to make it easier for players to arrange car pools with others playing the same schedule.
- Jim Banbury

Dwayne Bereziuk
Mar 08 2012, 08:46 PM
In the past worlds registration forms have allowed you to specify other individuals with whom you are sharing transportation, to request that you be placed in the same pool. I don't see that on the 2012 form. Any plan to accommodate that?

And the answer is.....

keithjohnson
Mar 08 2012, 08:51 PM
And the answer is.....

.........found 3 &1/2 hours earlier than your post. :)

omegaputt
Mar 15 2012, 01:39 PM
Is there a date set yet for when Registration will be open to the Public?

steveganz
Mar 15 2012, 06:04 PM
Is there a date set yet for when Registration will be open to the Public?

http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/schedule

Worlds Registration Open to General Membership on May 1st

AnotherSteve
Mar 17 2012, 10:54 PM
Can someone post which Courses are cart friendly or not.

flutterby
Mar 19 2012, 11:16 AM
Is Charlotte Worlds going to offer a baby sitting or childcare type service per course or one at the tournament hotel like Iowa worlds did? Or can you recommend a daycare center for all of us that have children? Thank You - Courtney McCoy 18835

John R
Mar 19 2012, 03:51 PM
Moved to Facebook

Spinthrift
Mar 19 2012, 11:10 PM
Can someone post which Courses are cart friendly or not.

It depends on the cart. If it's one of the small-wheeled pull-behinds the answer is very different than for a big-wheeled jogging stroller type cart. I'll try to peg them on a 1 to 5 scale with 1 not at all friendly and 5 being "roll on," based on big-wheel carts. Small wheel drops the score.

Renny - 3 (some holes are 1's if you're in the rough)
Bradford - 3
Nevin - 3
Eastway - 4
Idlewild - 2
Hornet's Nest - 4
Sugaw - 5
Kilborne - 5
Bailey - 5
Elon Eager - 4
Elon Angry - 3, but leaning towards 2 because of some difficult transitions
Winget - 2 (course raw; may improve by Worlds)
Reedy Creek - 3
RL Smith - 1 (course a little raw; will never be cart-friendly)

Spinthrift
Mar 19 2012, 11:29 PM
Is Charlotte Worlds going to offer a baby sitting or childcare type service per course or one at the tournament hotel like Iowa worlds did? Or can you recommend a daycare center for all of us that have children? Thank You - Courtney McCoy 18835

Courtney - Good question. I don't believe that's a subject the Host Committee has considered yet. I'll ask and see what may be workable.

flutterby
Mar 20 2012, 02:31 PM
Courtney - Good question. I don't believe that's a subject the Host Committee has considered yet. I'll ask and see what may be workable.

Thank you for considering! I know that there are a lot of moms and dads that this could help out a LOT! I'm wondering if you all could maybe contact Jonathan Poole and pick his brain about his babysitting that is offered at USDGC :) I'm sure there are insurance concerns, but maybe you could find a local church that could volunteer.

Spinthrift
Mar 20 2012, 09:39 PM
Thank you for considering! I know that there are a lot of moms and dads that this could help out a LOT! I'm wondering if you all could maybe contact Jonathan Poole and pick his brain about his babysitting that is offered at USDGC :) I'm sure there are insurance concerns, but maybe you could find a local church that could volunteer.

Yeah, we've already been told of strong liability concerns. We'll look at licensed third party options.

WD309
Mar 21 2012, 12:45 AM
I have a similar concern. I am hoping that I and both my daughters will be playing. All three of us played in KC in 2009 and they had bus transportation set up for junior players. There was a per-student fee and I just dropped them off at the host hotel and they were bussed to and from their course for that day. It worked out very well, but the pools were set up so that both of them were always at the same course at the same time.

From what I have seen, the three of us may be playing three different courses at the same time or times very close together. Are plans being made for transportation needs for junior players? Thank you!

AnotherSteve
Mar 21 2012, 10:26 PM
It appears MG1 is full, can someone confirm my Ciphering

CuTTz
Mar 22 2012, 10:03 AM
Cypher complete... https://www.facebook.com/pages/2012-PDGA-World-Championships-in-Charlotte-NC/297085940301599

cgkdisc
Mar 22 2012, 02:56 PM
We've been able to slightly tweak the schedule specifically for Adv GM and Adv Sr GM to increase the number of spots available from 72 to 108 and 20 to 36, respectively. Look for the updated schedule and course assignments posted later today or tomorrow on PDGA and Charlotte Worlds sites. No other division's courses, schedules or pool capacities were changed in this update v1.4.

keithjohnson
Mar 22 2012, 10:19 PM
I certainly hope that the PDGA is as generous in expanding pool X when it fills as there is already 13 of the allotted 20 spots taken and not one of them is a junior girl as thanks to the debacle of telling everyone in NOV that you no longer got in to Worlds as a junior by playing an Event as in the past - instead of doing it for 2013 so people could plan ahead.

We are still almost 6 weeks from open registrations and i'm pretty sure that the 20 will be met before then.

Maybe Chuck could start looking at where that pool can be expanded or merged with other juniors as it was in KC instead of having people who are at the opposite end of the age spectrum as you have ADV GM men and women as well as masters women playing the same course on TUES MORN - only the 20 playing TUES afternoon - then on WED they play one round with only 20 - THURS the play both rounds with the field of ADV legends which is only 4 more people - then FRI they are just the 20 again.

So OBVIOUSLY there is room to expand and I hope to see that happen.

I know the Dillen girls as well as Lorelei for sure would be signing up on MAY 1 (if allowed to) as well as probably some others who were screwed with the late changes also.

Keith

Spinthrift
Mar 26 2012, 10:47 AM
I have a similar concern. I am hoping that I and both my daughters will be playing. All three of us played in KC in 2009 and they had bus transportation set up for junior players. There was a per-student fee and I just dropped them off at the host hotel and they were bussed to and from their course for that day. It worked out very well, but the pools were set up so that both of them were always at the same course at the same time.

From what I have seen, the three of us may be playing three different courses at the same time or times very close together. Are plans being made for transportation needs for junior players? Thank you!

Yes, a transportation plan for juniors has been prepared by the Host Committee for approval. It will cover both rides to/from courses and entertainment options. Details will be included in player information packets scheduled for release May 14.

WD309
Mar 26 2012, 11:27 AM
Yes, a transportation plan for juniors has been prepared by the Host Committee for approval. It will cover both rides to/from courses and entertainment options. Details will be included in player information packets scheduled for release May 14.

Thank you so much! We are looking forward to it!

ibromberg
Mar 27 2012, 01:47 PM
I have registered in the Am Masters division and received an email confirmation of the purchase from the PDGA store, but no other communication from PDGA. It doesn't look like the list of participants has been updated on the Events/Results page (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16468) in a few days. Can I assume that I am in, and start making travel/hotel reservations?

Thanks,
Isaac

Spinthrift
Mar 27 2012, 02:21 PM
I have registered in the Am Masters division and received an email confirmation of the purchase from the PDGA store, but no other communication from PDGA. It doesn't look like the list of participants has been updated on the Events/Results page (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16468) in a few days. Can I assume that I am in, and start making travel/hotel reservations?

Thanks,
Isaac

Disclaimer: I'm not a PDGA nor registration official, but as a member of the Host Committee I can tell you that I experienced the same thing, and have heard similar from a number of others; don't worry about it. The updates are only periodic until closer to open registration, so this isn't abnormal. Kinda itchy to see your name there for the first time, though, I know.

ibromberg
Mar 27 2012, 05:36 PM
Thanks for the response. I see that the website has been updated.

bruce_brakel
Apr 05 2012, 06:32 PM
The amateur side is almost full.

ibromberg
Apr 06 2012, 12:04 AM
How do they decide how many players per division make it to the semi-finals?

bruce_brakel
Apr 06 2012, 01:14 AM
It is usually the top 25%. I have no idea how they decide that.

cgkdisc
Apr 06 2012, 09:02 AM
For Worlds, semi final cuts are set so that just about everyone who would cash will make it. So that's a little over 40% for Ams and 35% for pros. But MA1 is capped at 72. Smaller divisions have to be large enough to have a semi that would need to be more than 4 players. Otherwise, they just have a cut to the finals.

bruce_brakel
Apr 06 2012, 07:19 PM
At the last Am Worlds they allowed 36%, 33% and 34% of the players from the largest three divisions to play the semi-finals. The 36% looks like it was selected as "The most players the course can accomodate while avoiding the necessity of having a tie breaker for the last foursome." 36% was four short of a full field, but taking a full field would have necessitated a tie breaker. Probably the 33% and 34% were likewise determined by how many players the course could accomodate in light of the divisions which were assigned to play it for their semi-final.

Apparently, 12 years later I'm still bitter. :D

jcrab66
Apr 09 2012, 04:03 PM
The people with the invites have the first chance to sign up. When that time frame ends, all others that want to play can sign up. The invitees never fill the tournament.

oops

pterodactyl
Apr 10 2012, 01:13 PM
oops

Pro invitees, that is.

easygreensinc
Apr 11 2012, 04:30 PM
Does anyone know potential cap numbers for the Junior divisions, or where I can find that info? Thanks a bunch.

ERicJ
Apr 11 2012, 06:51 PM
Does anyone know potential cap numbers for the Junior divisions, or where I can find that info? Thanks a bunch.
http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/courses/schedule

easygreensinc
Apr 11 2012, 11:17 PM
Thanks for the link.
Looks like Junior boys will be full soon too, and I'm guessing it'll fill in no time on May 1st due to the change in Junior invite criteria.

hvnafit
Apr 12 2012, 10:41 AM
Myself and another guy are planning on coming to Charlotte the weekend of 4-20 thru 23. we are actually planing on heading that way on the 19th after work. i guess it will put us there around 10:30 or 11.we are planning on playing as many World courses as possiable in those 4 days (we have never played any of the courses and would welcome the company of someone that knows the courses). I was wondering if anyone would be willing to open there home to us with nothing needed more than floor space. we are willing to provide beer or dinner out (your choice) or some cash as a thank you. i am on face book under Jimmy Stanley. Please feel free to message me there.

thanks
JS
PDGA#21790

Spinthrift
Apr 12 2012, 12:14 PM
Myself and another guy are planning on coming to Charlotte the weekend of 4-20 thru 23. we are actually planing on heading that way on the 19th after work. i guess it will put us there around 10:30 or 11.we are planning on playing as many World courses as possiable in those 4 days (we have never played any of the courses and would welcome the company of someone that knows the courses). I was wondering if anyone would be willing to open there home to us with nothing needed more than floor space. we are willing to provide beer or dinner out (your choice) or some cash as a thank you. i am on face book under Jimmy Stanley. Please feel free to message me there.

thanks
JS
PDGA#21790

Jimmy - re-post your note on the Guest Area section of the Charlotte Disc Golf Club board:
http://charlottedgc.invisionzone.com/

Give it a subject line something like "Headed to Charlotte 4/19-23." There are many people headed our way pre-Worlds and CDGC members are happy to help.

hvnafit
Apr 12 2012, 07:45 PM
Thanks got the link and info. However it will not allow me to start a new topic:(

jarmiller
Apr 12 2012, 10:07 PM
Where's the waitlist?

hvnafit
Apr 13 2012, 09:41 AM
Jimmy - re-post your note on the Guest Area section of the Charlotte Disc Golf Club board:
http://charlottedgc.invisionzone.com/

Give it a subject line something like "Headed to Charlotte 4/19-23." There are many people headed our way pre-Worlds and CDGC members are happy to help.

Thanks Spinthrift!
I went ahead an resigersted and have posted in the guest area.

ERicJ
Apr 13 2012, 12:05 PM
Nice job shuffling the pools to allow more players:

Space has been opened up at the 2012 PDGA World Championships (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../2012worlds) for 33% more Advanced Women as well as an increase in the X Pool that includes Advanced Master Women, Advanced Grandmaster Women, and Female Junior 1 and Junior 2 divisions. As a consequence of these changes there is also more space available for the H Pool that includes both the Female and Male Junior 3 and Junior 4 divisions.

To allow these increases the under-subscribed MPM pool was reduced from 108 to 96, and the Advanced Women and the H Pool have had course changes. The new course assignments are shown in Tentative Course Assignments v1.5 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../2012worlds/courses/assignments) and Tentative Course Schedule v1.5 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../2012worlds/courses/schedule) available at the 2012 PDGA Worlds (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../2012worlds) webpage.--http://www.pdga.com/more-women (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../more-women)

Spinthrift
Apr 13 2012, 02:36 PM
Where's the waitlist?

The wait list is part of registration. Fill out the form as if registering, then choose "wait list" on the menu. Place it with a credit card, not Paypal. A credit card will not be charged unless you get in. If you use Paypal it will be charged immediately.
http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/register

Disc Giant
Apr 13 2012, 07:52 PM
Is there a place we can look to see our position on the wait list? I'd hate to call and bug people about it- I know you guys are inundated.

tatersak
Apr 15 2012, 10:24 PM
please post waitlist. inquiring minds want to know. i know this is the first time it filled before open registrations so people want to see how far down the list we are. Thanks, please others ask same. we get enough requests maybe we can get the list. shout out everyone.

Spinthrift
Apr 16 2012, 02:39 PM
Is there a place we can look to see our position on the wait list? I'd hate to call and bug people about it- I know you guys are inundated.

The wait list will be posted when open registration for unfilled divisions begins on May 1. There may be some movement of slots prior to that time since there have already been three withdrawals since invitee registration began.

Spinthrift
Apr 19 2012, 03:46 PM
The 2012 Worlds Host Committee needs experienced TDs to serve as directors and assistant directors at the 14 Worlds courses. Many of the TDs we normally call upon are playing this year, and we have a larger need than any previous Worlds has had.

If you would like to help, please contact 2012 Worlds Operations Director Bill Jacobson at clash.cdgc@gmail.com. Please pass this message to anyone you know who may be interested.

Thanks,
Jim

Spinthrift
Apr 20 2012, 09:43 AM
This message was posted on the CDGC board by 2012 Worlds TD Sam Nicholson:

"May 1st the PDGA will open up the Worlds registration to all PDGA current members. If you are a invited Pro player, expect to play and have not yet signed up, I recommend that you do so before May 1st. Due to the fact that the Am divisions are mostly, if not completely filled, many Ams will sign up in the Pro divisions to have the opportunity to play in the Worlds at all. I would wager that by May 5th the entire event, all divisions and classifications will fill. If you snooze, you will lose and be a spectator or watch the results at home on the computer."

deoldphart
Apr 23 2012, 06:51 PM
probably already answered, but is the Grandmasters full?

keithjohnson
Apr 23 2012, 08:52 PM
Depends if you are asking about AM or PRO

4/2/12 6:00pm EST Note: The ADVANCED Grandmaster Men (MG1) division has filled.
So AM filled up 3 weeks ago

Pro only has 34 signed up - so not even half full.

steveganz
Apr 24 2012, 06:21 PM
With less than a week left in the registration period reserved for invitees to the 2012 PDGA World Championships, it appears that for the first time ever, Pro players invited to Worlds may need to worry about getting in ...read more (http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity)

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 06:26 PM
With Pro Worlds about to fill like the am side has there is now a huge premium on the remaining spots left for PRO Worlds. So my question is and i am going to follow this post up with an e-mail to the PDGA but how are there multiple amatuers that did not play one Pro event last year already pre-registered for in the MPM (pro masters) field?

cgkdisc
Apr 24 2012, 06:57 PM
An invite to Worlds isn't specific to any division Am or Pro but simply to enter a division you qualify for by age and gender even if you never played in that division in the previous year. For example, a player who turns 40 in 2012 couldn't play Master in 2011 to get an invite to play Master at 2012 Worlds because they were too young.

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 06:58 PM
Chuck,
if that is the case then the sytem is FLAWED!

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 07:00 PM
I competed for an entire year as a Professional Masters golfer and missed an invite by 24 points. and now i may not have the chance (that could be once in a lifetime) to compete in the World Championships in my division becasue someone who qualified as an amateur took my spot??

Amatuers should get invited to AM worlds and Pro's should get invited to Pro Worlds.

cgkdisc
Apr 24 2012, 07:03 PM
Not "flawed" if Worlds is filling. Perhaps could be more "fair" so more of the potentially best players for each division get the chance to enter each division.

C11800
Apr 24 2012, 07:06 PM
I have already posted this on face book, so if you have read it already, I appologize...lol.

If the open divisions don't fill, Don't you think it would be fair to all who pay for a PRO membership should get a chance to sign up before an amatuer player?
Even if you give them a 24 hour window to do so that would give them ample time to sign up I would think. I mean we can't play down a division if the situation was reversed, right?
With this event in such high demand, just like we all knew it would be, you would think that you have to keep everybody in check to their respective divisions.
That includes The Junior divisions as well. And I only say that because of the rules
that are in place seperating qualification standards within the JR. div.
Example:

A junior gets an invite under the #2 qualification standard, ie:born 1998 or later.
But has signed up for the MJ2 division, which has a point requirement needed, which he doesn't even come close to meeting.
What happens to the junior who meets the point requirement but loses out because of
no spot left? He can't play down because he is to old. What do you tell him then??

And as far as Daves post about the amatuers registering for pro because thier division has filled? If you didn't get a PRO invite then you need to wait for either open registration or go on the waitlist in your respective division. Thats what we would have to do because we would not have a choice. Just saying fair is fair.

Please don't take this the wrong way, just asking questions that I think deserve a valid answer. thanks for listening.
All the best to The Charlotte disc golf club and the PDGA For your efforts putting on such a massive event!!!

John Hernlund
Apr 24 2012, 07:54 PM
I noticed this posted at PDGA.com, it was also shared on Facebook:
http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity
...it appears that for the first time ever, Pro players invited to Worlds may need to worry about getting in if they procrastinate during the invitation registration period. (emphasis added...)

I was kind of disappointed to see that the author has a short memory, as late registration, wait lists, etc., for 2011 Pro Worlds was the exact same scenario, and turned into a complete fiasco. And in the end, PDGA did not honor the wait lists, anyways. So I don't think people should be getting too high of expectations for how 2012 Worlds wait lists will be handled, since they'll probably just throw those away, too.

Basic Lesson: Don't wait! Get your butt registered now, if you want to play!

C11800
Apr 24 2012, 08:10 PM
I noticed this posted at PDGA.com, it was also shared on Facebook:
http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity
(emphasis added...)

I was kind of disappointed to see that the author has a short memory, as late registration, wait lists, etc., for 2011 Pro Worlds was the exact same scenario, and turned into a complete fiasco. And in the end, PDGA did not honor the wait lists, anyways. So I don't think people should be getting too high of expectations for how 2012 Worlds wait lists will be handled, since they'll probably just throw those away, too.

Basic Lesson: Don't wait! Get your butt registered now, if you want to play!


Was it that bad john??
Didn't hear anything about it till now but wasn't paying attention either...lol
I hope we all get in so it is what it is. The only other problem I had with the qualifications
this year was that they went to a points format instead of a % of each state. I have 16 yr old that will possibly miss out playing pro open, ( which he has played for the last 2 yrs) because we here in florida don't exactly have a big pro turn out most of the time. And him not able to play every event really hurt his chances to qualify for the worlds. But oh well, we will see if we can get in may 1st.

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 08:32 PM
Not "flawed" if Worlds is filling. Perhaps could be more "fair" so more of the potentially best players for each division get the chance to enter each division.
Chuck,
respectfully you can not make a parallel between participation and level of competition. "Potentially Best Players" is an opinion at best and not objective at all.

cgkdisc
Apr 24 2012, 08:42 PM
All I'm saying is the Worlds invite and registration process has been more about participation than player qualifications since forever, unlike the high level qualifying process required to get invited to USDGC by comparison. Maybe this tipping point of 2011 and 2012 Worlds will initiate changes. I already brought it up at PDGA HQ last week. It will likely be discussed later this year regarding future Worlds invites.

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 08:49 PM
It will likely be discussed later this year regarding future Worlds invites.
Thanks Chuck...this is all i can ask. Like we have all been saying its a nice problem to have. could we be out growing combined worlds, and the Sport is possibly growing that much?

cgkdisc
Apr 24 2012, 08:57 PM
For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.

bgwvdave
Apr 24 2012, 09:06 PM
For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the worst financial proposition of Majors and NTs to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.
for what its worth

C11800
Apr 24 2012, 10:37 PM
Ok..Thanks Chuck for the replies.
But I am still confused with the invite process and what I see on the confirmed players list.
If a player signs up for pro but is not on the pro invite list and he doesn't have any points under the pro criteria how does he qualify for the PRO division? I bet if a pro signs up for the advanced div. he gets booted. I have found quite a few people signed up for the pro division, ( master and open) that either doesn't have enough points or has never even played a pro event. Is he signed up because his proper div. is full or is he truly wanting to play in the pro division?

Same goes for the JR. divisions, how can a JR. that qualifies under the 1998 invite rule that barely has 10 points able to sign up for a higher division that requires 100 points to get an invite? Makes no sense at all. And from what I understand they changed the invite criteria so late in the year that most juniors didn't have enough time to get the points needed to get the invite. Seems like that rule should have carried over to the 2013 worlds to give ample time to qualify.
Just sounds like a one sided contest and you pay the penalty for turning Pro. Might as well not pay for a PRO membership if it doesn't mean anything.

I have always liked the 3 tier qualifying structure where if you have a tour event that is in high demand it goes as follows:

example: Hill billy open is scheduled for DEC. 15
1st tier:
registration opens AUG. 1st for the top 25 % in each state (which invites are sent out)

2nd tier:
registration opens for 975+ rated players SEPT.1st ( provided spots are open)

3rd tier:
registration open to all players OCT. 1st (provided spots are open)


Hopefully in the future it gets more structured and spots are earned like the in the USDGC.

Thanks for listening! :)

cgkdisc
Apr 24 2012, 11:12 PM
C11800 - please reread the first sentences in my posts #133 and #141 above. It might not make sense going into the future but that has been the approach to Worlds for years.

bruce_brakel
Apr 25 2012, 12:35 AM
Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash. Most pros need to play most tournaments for the same reasons that amateurs do: for fun and competition. Worlds, especially, but Worlds included.

Until we're donating the entry fees to charity and paying the pros the sponsored purse, the way legit golf and tennis tournaments do, pros and ams just gotta deal with the fact that it is pretty close to a zero sum game that we play for fun and competition.

If you're playing this game for riches and glory, get back in the balloon; you're not in Oz yet.

C11800
Apr 25 2012, 05:49 AM
C11800 - please reread the first sentences in my posts #133 and #141 above. It might not make sense going into the future but that has been the approach to Worlds for years.

Fair enough.
I do have to admit, our sport is definitely getting in very high
Demand and it is great to see! Thanks for your time and replies!

bgwvdave
Apr 25 2012, 11:23 AM
Most pros need to play most tournaments for the same reasons that amateurs do: for fun and competition. Worlds, especially, but Worlds included.

Until we're donating the entry fees to charity and paying the pros the sponsored purse, the way legit golf and tennis tournaments do, pros and ams just gotta deal with the fact that it is pretty close to a zero sum game that we play for fun and competition.

If you're playing this game for riches and glory, get back in the balloon; you're not in Oz yet.Bruce,
what a great reply to an extremely irrelevant point about worlds and disc golf being about money.

hueyman2
Apr 26 2012, 04:45 PM
For what it's worth, the Am side is the issue not the Pro side at the moment. If the invited and waitlisted Ams had really wanted to close out the Pro side, they would have done it by now. So I'm thinking the pros who want to get in and weren't invited have a decent shot to get in on May 1, maybe only fending off other pros who weren't invited.

Until more than 25% is added to the purse, Pro Worlds is possibly the most financially taxing of the Majors and NTs for pros to attend even if you cash. So I'm not sure we'll see the enthusiasm like we saw in Santa Cruz with its west coast pent up demand at another Pro Worlds until the purse gets a significant and guaranteed boost to attract more pros.

There is a large amount of univited AM's that will take Pro spots. Invited Am's seem content, but non-invited Ams are chomping at the bit for May 1.

bruce_brakel
Apr 26 2012, 06:15 PM
On Monday we will know. Ams have not champed very much on that bit in the past. North Carolina ams might be different.

TourManager
Apr 26 2012, 09:51 PM
Wyatt -you are missing the important change I was talking about it now has a YEAR listed instead of ALL juniors as it used to be - keeping JUNIORS born BEFORE 1998 from entering if they just played a PDGA Event in the previous year as it had always been and CHANGING it for those born BEFORE 1998 to having to not only have played a PDGA Event in the previous year, but having to have a minimum amount of points - meaning playing 3-4-5-6 (Depending on how bad a player you were) PDGA Events to get the same invitation you used to get by just being a JUNIOR OF ANY AGE member and playing 1 PDGA Event.

By the time this info came out - there is no time for JUNIORS born BEFORE 1998 to earn points in most areas of the country as this time of year PDGA sanctioned Events are winding down or do not have divisions suitable to be able to make any points (such as playing ADV women or Pro Women where you would only earn 1 point for playing.

So long story short - the criteria HAS changed and with no advance notice it possibly WOULD BE changing until it was practically too late for people to try to qualify for the NEWLY CHANGED criteria.

Keith
Keith - FYI - the info in Post #11 is incorrect, wyattcoggin was correct in his post. Invite criteria for Juniors has not changed in six years except this year the Junior 1 and 2divisions only need half the points they needed last year. Junior 1 and 2 divisions have always needed points, and Junior 3 and 4 have always needed a single participation in the previous year's tour. There may have been different criteria many years ago, but I checked back and it has been the same since 2007.

TourManager
Apr 26 2012, 10:48 PM
I noticed this posted at PDGA.com, it was also shared on Facebook:
http://www.pdga.com/pros-lose-worlds-opportunity
(emphasis added...)

I was kind of disappointed to see that the author has a short memory, as late registration, wait lists, etc., for 2011 Pro Worlds was the exact same scenario, and turned into a complete fiasco. And in the end, PDGA did not honor the wait lists, anyways. So I don't think people should be getting too high of expectations for how 2012 Worlds wait lists will be handled, since they'll probably just throw those away, too.

Basic Lesson: Don't wait! Get your butt registered now, if you want to play!
No short memory here. Several of your suppositions are inaccurate. The 2011 Pro Worlds did NOT fill from invites, it only filled after it was opened up to non-invitees. Waitlists for non-invitees were honored, but when spots opened up at the event itself many of the waitlist people were not available and those who were standing there available to play, got the spots. BTW - there were spots that were reserved for invitees by the TD but those all filled prior to registration opening up. That is not true for 2012, other than a few corrupted records in the database that we fixed and subsequently issued late invites for, the 2012 registration has been first-come first-serve and for the first time we will publish the waitlists.

keithjohnson
Apr 26 2012, 11:11 PM
Lorelei WAS a Jr 3 and 4 until last year - so this is the first Worlds with the new criteria for her and the lateness of the announced changes caught several people off guard who were /are planning to play.

It still was a crappy way to disseminate info and I'll take my chances along with everyone else to get her a shot to play - and I certainly hope she has the opportunity to do so.

We'll see how it goes, and maybe we'll be in Charlotte - if not - oh well.

TourManager
Apr 27 2012, 08:20 AM
Keith - the fact that your daughter gets a year older and grows out of one criteria into another criteria doesn't mean the PDGA changed anything, it means your daughter got a year older. Since the criteria has remained the same for 6 years I don't know how you can say people were caught off guard. Perhaps they were not paying attention to ALL of the criteria and missed the fact that their child was growing out of one of the criteria into another, but that is hardly the PDGA's fault. Please also note that the criteria was posted early mid-year just like it always is, no surprise there either. The 2013 criteria will be posted mid-year too.

discette
Apr 27 2012, 09:54 AM
At Pro Worlds this year, the Pro Master/Grandmaster Women's divisions were limited to 12 players total. The pool filled with only 6 in each division.

Does anyone know if the current plans are to place these 12 players onto four different cards as threesomes to keep play within divisions? Or will they place the 12 players into three four-somes mixing the two divisions? I don't recall mixed division cards at Worlds in preliminary rounds.

If they don't mix divisions in preliminary rounds, there will automatically be four cards of players in this pool. Which means they could easily add two players to each division, or four more players to the pool.

keithjohnson
Apr 27 2012, 10:38 PM
You are correct - Lorelei and every other junior gets older every year and since I haven't registered her for Worlds since 2009, I wasn't looking at the info and made the mistaken assumption that a junior was a junior and not an aging player - my fault and I'll live with it if we don't play.

BUT....I didn't know that late OCT is considered midyear, but then again, it seems I don't know much anymore.

Either way my last sentence in my last post still applies.

I don't really give a crap anymore.

jmonny
Apr 28 2012, 04:16 PM
OK so what time "exactly' will non-invitees be able to pre-reg? May 1st is Tuesday, but I keep hearing Monday as the day. Is it midnight on May 1st or what?

bruce_brakel
Apr 28 2012, 10:25 PM
OK so what time "exactly' will non-invitees be able to pre-reg? May 1st is Tuesday, but I keep hearing Monday as the day. Is it midnight on May 1st or what?If it were me, I'd try midnight GMT and then midnight Eastern DST.

C11800
Apr 29 2012, 06:32 PM
I see on the home page that it talks of the waitlist and invalid registrations.
Which by the way, thank you PDGA for posting before the may 1st deadline!!

This is what I read.....

"Many other invalid registrations have been received from players who were either a) not invited, b) not 2012 current members, or c) not Certified Officials, so those registrations are not yet included on the waitlist. Once the necessary registration requirements are met for one of those invalid registrations it will then be added to the end of the waitlist."

What happens to the ones who wait till the required date to sign up because of not being on the "invite list"? Do they get put on before or after the invalid registrations?

Thanks

ERicJ
Apr 30 2012, 12:43 AM
What courses are being played for the AM Mixed Doubles? Any word on the doubles formats being used?

TourManager
Apr 30 2012, 09:51 AM
12:01AM Eastern on May 1st (Monday night/Tuesday morning)

bruce_brakel
Apr 30 2012, 01:34 PM
What courses are being played for the AM Mixed Doubles? Any word on the doubles formats being used?In the past the mixed doubles has been one round of best shot and one round of alternating shot.

C11800
Apr 30 2012, 03:14 PM
Anybody have an idea when the waitlist will be updated?
We are guessing after tomorrow, May 1st?

gvan
May 01 2012, 01:14 AM
4/30/12 9:00pm EST Note: Heading into 'Open Registration', there are a handful of spots left in the Mens MJ2, MJ3 & MJ4 divisions and Womens FM1, FG1, FS1, FJ1, FJ2, FJ3 & FJ4 divisions. All remaining spots will be FILLED FROM THE WAITLIST in the order received. All other divisions are already running a WAITLIST.


I signed my daughter (uninvited) at 12:01 as has been advertised. I assume anyone (uninvited) signing up before 12:01 will not be given these spots? Please confirm that the rules were not changed midstream...

WD309
May 01 2012, 01:36 AM
I signed my daughter (uninvited) at 12:01 as has been advertised. I assume anyone (uninvited) signing up before 12:01 will not be given these spots? Please confirm that the rules were not changed midstream...

I tried to do the same thing. The page still said I couldn't sign her up unless invited. I waited a few minutes, then I couldn't get the page to load. When it reloaded, it said "waitlist" on every division. I don't know if that was a glitch or if everyone else got through besides me and filled it. Either way, I registered her and am waiting to see what happens. My other daughter and I were invited and are already in. We are planning our family vacation around Worlds, so I hope she gets in. I sure don't want to have to tell her she didn't.

C11800
May 01 2012, 05:50 AM
I can't even imagine how many waitlist entries they are going to
Have to go through. I Am sure it will be a task that will take them a bit
And I am confident they will be fair to those that followed the criteria as well.
I registered on the waitlist as well. I must be crazy because I had to get up 3 1/2
Hours and go to work... Lol. Don't know if I did it for my kids or for the love of the
Sport. Lol

Good luck all!!

CAMBAGGER
May 01 2012, 10:53 AM
I took my officials exam a few days ago, then tried to register for worlds (did not receive an invite). There was an option for a waitlist. I selected that option. Does this mean that when 12:01am hit last night, that I did not have to do anything and I was automatically entered into the tourney since I had passed my exam and I am a current member? Please advise. This has been a mess. This is what I received in an email from the pdga once I registered for that waiting list....(I left out some personal info for those that hate me, lol)......


Order Date/Time: Sun, 29-Apr-2012 20:34:08
Order Number: 1335749648
Reference Number: 24020

SHIPPING INFORMATION
=========================================
Cameron Schwartz // //

United States

Day Phone:
Night Phone:
Email:

PAYMENT INFORMATION
=========================================
Master Card


United States

COMMENTS & NOTES
=========================================
Comments:

PDGA Number: 19019

ITEMS ORDERED
=========================================
Qty: 1, Item: PW-0712: PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships, Total: $250.00
Options:
Base Price: $0.00
PDGA Number: 19019
Gender: Male
Players First Name:
Players Last Name:
Players Phone:
Address:
City:
State / Province:
Zip / Postal Code:
Country: USA
Date of Birth:
Players Email:

PROFESSIONAL Divisions: WAITLIST - PRO Open Men (MPO), Add $225.00

Mixed Doubles: Not selected
Field Events: Not selected
T-Shirt Size: XXL
Hat Size: XL
Worlds Banquet: 1 Ticket, Add $25.00
Fly Mart Booth: Not selected
Hole Sponsor: Not selected
Lodging: 5. Other
Travel Plans: 2. Automobile
Player Waiver:
Important Notes:
Other Notes: Thanks Again!

C11800
May 01 2012, 11:06 AM
Cambagger,
This is on the home page under the "wait lists"

""Many other invalid registrations have been received from players who were either a) not invited, b) not 2012 current members, or c) not Certified Officials, so those registrations are not yet included on the waitlist. Once the necessary registration requirements are met for one of those invalid registrations it will then be added to the end of the waitlist."


From what I understand, if you did sign up before the may1st
Deadline and not an invited player then you would qualify for
An invalid registration......that's how I read it anyways.

CAMBAGGER
May 01 2012, 01:24 PM
I was advised to go to the store and do this from a PDGA person in the office when I called. I spoke with Andrew today and he said that the tourney had filled before the may 1st deadline and that all would be added to the waitlist. He also said that they hoped to have it up online by tomorrow, so everyone could see where they were on the waitlist.

C11800
May 01 2012, 01:49 PM
All I know is that what I was told and what I understood is that
If you were not a invited player you must wait till the may1st open
Registration date no matter if it fills or not. That way people
That are invited will have first choice on the waitlist. Then after
May 1st it is first come first serve basis. I knew about 10 people
That had to wait and I would hope that they will stick to the criteria
Set for all to follow. If not, then it really wouldn't be fair to those who
Followed the rules.

hueyman2
May 01 2012, 04:17 PM
What courses are being played for the AM Mixed Doubles? Any word on the doubles formats being used?

From what I hear the PDGA is waiting on some programing... the course will be Bradford with possible expansion to Hornets nest based on participation. THe event is the Saturday starting worlds week.

Dana
May 01 2012, 05:59 PM
Any touring pro spots left?

(asking for a friend)

C11800
May 01 2012, 08:45 PM
Any touring pro spots left?

(asking for a friend)

As far as they are telling us, they are full, although if you check the confirmed list of registered players they are short on the pro side by 35 and pro masters at 36...not sure what that is about. Probably no time to update yet which will hopefully be tomorrow sometime. I registered at 12:01 when open reg. started but no idea where we sit at this
point.

C11800
May 01 2012, 08:56 PM
What would be really cool, is if they were able to stretch the PRO and PRO MASTER side a bit to allow for more players (WINK WINK), just not sure how that would happen unless they started 1 hour earlier at the tee time courses. then you would have to figure out something for the other 2 courses unless they added a course to the Pro schedule instead of playing one of courses twice, but of course keep renny at 2 times. But it is easier said than done. But if it were to be done it would have to be soon in order to be ready.

C11800
May 01 2012, 08:57 PM
What would be really cool, is if they were able to stretch the PRO and PRO MASTER side a bit to allow for more players (WINK WINK), just not sure how that would happen unless they started 1 hour earlier at the tee time courses. then you would have to figure out something for the other 2 courses unless they added a course to the Pro schedule instead of playing one of courses twice, but of course keep renny at 2 times. But it is easier said than done. But if it were to be done it would have to be soon in order to be ready.


Only kidding guys...but it would be pretty cool though...lol

jHarr
May 01 2012, 10:45 PM
What would be really cool, is if they were able to stretch the PRO and PRO MASTER side a bit to allow for more players (WINK WINK), just not sure how that would happen unless they started 1 hour earlier at the tee time courses. then you would have to figure out something for the other 2 courses unless they added a course to the Pro schedule instead of playing one of courses twice, but of course keep renny at 2 times. But it is easier said than done. But if it were to be done it would have to be soon in order to be ready.

that'll teach me to buy plane tix early
1st yr in several no invite, but def bucket list courses, gotta go now
so where do you need the volunteers ...?
lookin forward --huge-- to still gettin down there and seein lots of old friends
maybe make a lil schwag if i do end up spotting etc
would still give y'alls my 225 tho... just sayin
cheers

C11800
May 02 2012, 05:50 AM
that'll teach me to buy plane tix early
1st yr in several no invite, but def bucket list courses, gotta go now
so where do you need the volunteers ...?
lookin forward --huge-- to still gettin down there and seein lots of old friends
maybe make a lil schwag if i do end up spotting etc
would still give y'alls my 225 tho... just sayin
cheers

Yeah, it will still be cool to go. My 16 yr old will probably get
In but me and my older son probably won't make the cut.
We had made reservations and plans since January thinking
There would be room in the pro divisions.... Just the chance you take
I guess. So it might be a cruise for us.... UGH!! Still hoping though. :)
The points killed us, we don't have any "A" tiers in Florida and in order
To get the points needed you have to hit alot of stops and finish really
Well since the pro divisions don't exactly have a big turn out to often.
It can get expensive when you are paying for 3 people at an average
Of 60 to 90 dollars per to play, not counting travel and lodging.

gvan
May 02 2012, 02:48 PM
Does anyone know when the latest info will be available. There were very few spots available and it would be nice to know if my daughter made it in...

bgwvdave
May 03 2012, 11:10 AM
2 fulll days after Worlds pregistration deadline has ended and NO ONE on here knows anyhting about what is going on. most division are not full according to the list of players on the event registration page. The waitlist is not updated at all and there has not been one single post on here this week by anyone from the PDGA giving us any information at all. This is the biggest tournament the PDGA puts on every year. it is our premier evet. Can someone PLEASE just let us know what is going on? Anything....a time line, a simple excuse as to what is causing the delay ANYTHING is better than nothing. Thanks

cgkdisc
May 03 2012, 11:16 AM
The office is working diligently to sort thru all of the entries to make sure that those who have entered are qualified so the reg and waitlists are correct. Brian told me yesterday don't look for the Worlds reg update until Friday (tomorrow) at the earliest. Andrew is also swamped with tournament reports to process by tomorrow so they can be passed on to the ratings team to process for this next ratings update.

bgwvdave
May 03 2012, 11:36 AM
The office is working diligently to sort thru all of the entries to make sure that those who have entered are qualified so the reg and waitlists are correct. Brian told me yesterday don't look for the Worlds reg update until Friday (tomorrow) at the earliest. Andrew is also swamped with tournament reports to process by tomorrow so they can be passed on to the ratings team to process for this next ratings update.
Thanks Chuck. Communication is key especially with the amount of people wanting to play on the PDGA's biggeest stage. Andrew has been doing a great job i am not faulting him what so ever. but i have said it before and i will say it again. One of the biggest problem i have with the organization is thier inability to communicate publicly. I apprecaite you doing what you do to disseminate information.

CAMBAGGER
May 03 2012, 11:38 AM
I just looked at the registration list and am wondering how this guy got registered already and is on the tourney list? I looked at his tourney's played list and he doesnt appear to have the points to have received an invite???....Weston Isaacs #40883

cgkdisc
May 03 2012, 11:47 AM
Look at the Worlds invite page and it tells you what the player did to get invited.

C11800
May 03 2012, 12:13 PM
I just looked at the registration list and am wondering how this guy got registered already and is on the tourney list? I looked at his tourney's played list and he doesnt appear to have the points to have received an invite???....Weston Isaacs #40883

You need to look at 2011 he has 1315 points for AM and
378 pro points. He has accepted cash so by rights he should have renewed
Membership as a pro not an amateur but that is the only thing
I can see that is wrong. Even then, according to the PDGA an am can use
am points to be counted with pro points but a pro cannot
Use any am points to qualify for any Majors, NT events or supertour events
So in all, if he had registered as a pro last year he would not have gotten an invite
But since he was reg. As an Am he is able to qualify with Am points.
Look
User the rule " pro playing AM"

C11800
May 03 2012, 12:36 PM
I just looked at the registration list and am wondering how this guy got registered already and is on the tourney list? I looked at his tourney's played list and he doesnt appear to have the points to have received an invite???....Weston Isaacs #40883

Now I see what you are questioning.... I don't understand why he is
On the pro Invite list when he is registered as a AM??
But either way he qualifies for what ever division he wants to
Play just with his am points. Which by the way the pro points are not included in
His total points listed on the invite list. Has to be a typo or maybe
That is how they figure it?
I am confused.... Lol

C11800
May 03 2012, 01:30 PM
Chuck,

First I want to say thanks to you and Andrew for your hard work
And constant communication on updates!!
My question is:
If a invited player is not current or has not passed the officials
Exam, what happens then? Is he given time to correct that? And if so,
How long?
I Would think so but wasn't sure. I have a friend that is in that situation.
And as for the wait list entries, the same question. I know it says
The entry is not considered till it is corrected. But do the waitlist people that
Are current and have passed the exam, are they used to fill Invalid entry spots
or are they Just going to be on the list first before invalid entries....

Thanks

CAMBAGGER
May 03 2012, 01:52 PM
It's confusing, lol...I dont agree with the the fact that qualifying as an am would allow you to pre-register as a pro player, just doesn't seem right. That's why I don't make the rules, lol...Oh well, just waiting to see how this whole situation shakes out, I know the PDGA folks heads are prolly spinning from all of this and the calls they are receiving daily.

C11800
May 03 2012, 02:12 PM
It's confusing, lol...I dont agree with the the fact that qualifying as an am would allow you to pre-register as a pro player, just doesn't seem right. That's why I don't make the rules, lol...Oh well, just waiting to see how this whole situation shakes out, I know the PDGA folks heads are prolly spinning from all of this and the calls they are receiving daily.

Him playing pro I get, it's the way the PDGA has it set up.
It's the fact that his membership is a AM status and he is
On the Pro invite list. That's why I think it is a typo. Whatever
I am in the same boat, gotta wait to see where we sit before I
Commit to anything. Might just go to watch and let my 15 yr old
Play, but my 17 yr old will probably just stay home and work.
Who knows. I might even spot a couple of days. :)

cgkdisc
May 03 2012, 02:42 PM
I believe Andrew posted that invited players who registered but were not current or passed the official's test would be moved to the back of the waitlist.

C11800
May 03 2012, 03:09 PM
Thanks Chuck.
Carry on sir. :)

CuTTz
May 03 2012, 05:58 PM
where is the waitlist?

cgkdisc
May 03 2012, 06:16 PM
Check back Friday.

bgwvdave
May 03 2012, 06:16 PM
where is the waitlist?
http://www.pixsvr.com/pics/pdgasignup/2012/PDGA%20Worlds%2012%20-%20WAITLIST.pdf
Good shooting at Bad Smurfs event a few weeks back as well.

MTL21676
May 03 2012, 06:16 PM
I'm answering CuTT's question on the PDGA message board?!?

What is this?!?! 2004?

http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/worlds-waitlist

wit
May 03 2012, 09:02 PM
Got my call tonight...


I'm in! woooooohooooooooooo!

C11800
May 03 2012, 09:10 PM
Got my call tonight...


I'm in! woooooohooooooooooo!

Congrats dude!!

Cheers!!

were you on the wait list?

wit
May 03 2012, 10:12 PM
yeah... hadn't scored enough points to get the invite. was hoping for course designer karma :)

Spinthrift
May 04 2012, 09:52 AM
Can someone PLEASE just let us know what is going on?

Dave - I can appreciate the desire to know where things stand, but it will take PDGA folks a short while to sort everything out. Not just who registered when, but all birth dates have to be confirmed to assure no one got into the wrong division, and reassign any that did to the correct division or wait list.

There have already been cancellations, which means some slots are shuffling now as the wait list is being confirmed. The notification procedure adds time, but must be followed to allow wait-listers time to respond. Everything is coming together as it should (in circumstances that have never been seen before, BTW).

Add to that, the same people squaring registration are responsible for the ratings update that deadlined May 1. The expectation is to have details posted soon. Thanks for your patience. - Jim

bgwvdave
May 04 2012, 10:49 AM
Dave - I can appreciate the desire to know where things stand, but it will take PDGA folks a short while to sort everything out. Not just who registered when, but all birth dates have to be confirmed to assure no one got into the wrong division, and reassign any that did to the correct division or wait list.

There have already been cancellations, which means some slots are shuffling now as the wait list is being confirmed. The notification procedure adds time, but must be followed to allow wait-listers time to respond. Everything is coming together as it should (in circumstances that have never been seen before, BTW).

Add to that, the same people squaring registration are responsible for the ratings update that deadlined May 1. The expectation is to have details posted soon. Thanks for your patience. - Jim
Jim,
My patience was all of tuesday and all of wednesday. i was not asking to have all the infomration updated and squared away immediatley. I am also aware of how hard Andrew is working. My post was more of the total lack of any information what so ever form the PDGA Bod. Andrew is not the only person that works there and most def. should not be the only one responsiblle for all the work there. all the Bod would have had to have done is put a short article on the home page or come here and posted what you and chuck did. But i feel it should have been done tuesday morning not 3 to 4 days later.

secondly Am was full well before Tuesday and there were less than 60 total spots availble going into registration opening up monday night on the pro side. The waitlist could have been a work in progress but the registration page i feel should not have taken 2 full days to update. especially considering according to the online registration page the tournament was full at 9:00 p.m. monday night. But once again i am not complaining about the time it has taken to get things squared away i just made a plea for infomration as opposed to silence. thanks for the reply either way. It is greatly appreciated and you and the Charlotte Crew keep up the good work!

bgwvdave
May 04 2012, 10:57 AM
Got my call tonight...


I'm in! woooooohooooooooooo!
Wit. Stoked you got it! If you don't mind me asking and fill free to pm me if you don't want to broadcast but do you know the time signature on your waitlist registration conformation e-mail? I am seeing 11 spots left in MPM. I got my waitlist conformation at 12:10 a.m. and i am hoping like hell i still might get in. Congrats my man!

BDHYYZ
May 04 2012, 12:56 PM
[QUOTE=bgwvdave;1467343]My post was more of the total lack of any information what so ever form the PDGA Bod.

Just to clarify:

Worlds Registration is not among the many responsibilities of the volunteer BOD, it is a staff function led by Andrew, his fellow office staff as needed, and by the Fulfillment House.

Regards

BDH
1997-2007 PDGA Administrator/Exec Dir

bgwvdave
May 04 2012, 01:00 PM
[QUOTE=bgwvdave;1467343]My post was more of the total lack of any information what so ever form the PDGA Bod.

Just to clarify:

Worlds Registration is not among the many responsibilities of the volunteer BOD, it is a staff function led by Andrew, his fellow office staff as needed, and by the Fulfillment House.

Regards

BDH
1997-2007 PDGA Administrator/Exec Dir
I was refering to the PDGA Staff. sorry if i typed BOD as in Board Of Directors. And once again Andrew is doing a Bang up Job! I jsut figured the PDGA Staff would have made worlds reg. a bigger priority. Either way i do not want to come off like i am totally bashing the PDGA because anyone who knows me knows i am very much dedicated to the Organization and the sport. jsut bummed on the lack of information.

MTL21676
May 04 2012, 03:57 PM
I agree there has been a lack of knowledge this year. And I agree if I was hoping to get in, I would be very frustrated.

In the defense of Andrew and the staff, the PDGA has NEVER experienced this for a worlds. There was always a saying that anyone who wanted to play worlds, could. And maybe that is a dying thing.

But one thing is for sure, if it is a dying thing, it didn't start it's decay to this year.

The registration and qualification process should be looked at after this year, but it's not very fair to get upset about this year when this has never happened before.

C11800
May 04 2012, 04:10 PM
I think the staff learns something new every year and tries to improve
On it as much as possible. This year is definitely the exception! I look at it this
Way, this year might seem a mess from our view and opinions but
We really don't know until we have had the chance or burden of
What it takes to put together a massive event such as this.... So all
I have to say is for now.... Keep doing what you r doing and it will
All work out.

bgwvdave
May 04 2012, 06:23 PM
but it's not very fair to get upset about this year when this has never happened before.
classic tivvle. Communication is not a new concept.

C11800
May 05 2012, 04:34 PM
Any info on waitlist yet?

pterodactyl
May 06 2012, 11:58 AM
I love the fact that I don't have to drive between courses and all over NC during each day. Thank you, NC.

CuTTz
May 09 2012, 07:58 AM
Can I play the field events if I'm not playing in the tourney?

rizbee
May 09 2012, 04:35 PM
Check back Friday.

Which Friday?

Normally I try not to be too snarky on this MB, but the length of time we're having to wait for the updated Am waitlist has been pretty long, with little guidance given on how long that wait will be. Don't misinterpret the lack of questions on this thread to mean the public isn't concerned with seeing the waitlist. We *are* out here wondering what's going on.

Thanks.

C11800
May 09 2012, 04:54 PM
Which Friday?

Normally I try not to be too snarky on this MB, but the length of time we're having to wait for the updated Am wait-list has been pretty long, with little guidance given on how long that wait will be. Don't misinterpret the lack of questins on this thread to mean the public isn't concerned with seeing the waitlist. We *are* out here wondering what's going on.

Thanks.

Uh ......yeah.

bgwvdave
May 09 2012, 06:11 PM
Don't misinterpret the lack of questions on this thread to mean the public isn't concerned with seeing the waitlist.


This

C11800
May 09 2012, 09:08 PM
Which Friday?

Normally I try not to be too snarky on this MB, but the length of time we're having to wait for the updated Am waitlist has been pretty long, with little guidance given on how long that wait will be. Don't misinterpret the lack of questions on this thread to mean the public isn't concerned with seeing the waitlist. We *are* out here wondering what's going on.

Thanks.

Positive point here:
Maybe they are scrambling trying to figure out how to make room
For more Pros since the response is so overwhelming? And since they
Took spots away from the pro Masters and expanded alot of other
Divisions except the Pros they see opportunity to really be one of the
Biggest Worlds ever on the Am side and the Pro side!!
You think they are still getting people signing up for the waitlist?
I can't even imagine they would still be getting waitlist entries at this point,
But, I guess you never know. Hopefully they are getting close to getting it posted
Soon.

cgkdisc
May 09 2012, 09:12 PM
I know nothing new at this point. And we're not looking at increasing any pool sizes. But then, that can't even be done until they get the official registration and waitlists posted.

C11800
May 09 2012, 09:18 PM
I know nothing new at this point. And we're not looking at increasing any pool sizes. But then, that can't even be done until they get the official registration and waitlists posted.

All good Chuck, nothing wrong with positive wishing! Lol

keithjohnson
May 09 2012, 10:46 PM
Can I play the field events if I'm not playing in the tourney?

As long as you meet all the criteria as a player (passed officials test, current PDGA member)

Just signup on the same form and click on which you want - applies to doubles, flymart, banquet, any ancillary things.

CuTTz
May 10 2012, 06:29 AM
I have to take the officials test to play field events?? WoW

CAMBAGGER
May 10 2012, 02:27 PM
Positive point here:
Maybe they are scrambling trying to figure out how to make room
For more Pros since the response is so overwhelming? And since they
Took spots away from the pro Masters and expanded alot of other
Divisions except the Pros they see opportunity to really be one of the
Biggest Worlds ever on the Am side and the Pro side!!
You think they are still getting people signing up for the waitlist?
I can't even imagine they would still be getting waitlist entries at this point,
But, I guess you never know. Hopefully they are getting close to getting it posted
Soon.

I was told that they cannot add any additional courses or players by the guy running the tourney. He told me they were out of courses to add...sad sad sad to turn away that money and those disc golfers wanting to play. Surely between all the great minds working on this, they could come up with a solution to accomadate all the players that wished to participate

C11800
May 10 2012, 03:51 PM
I was told that they cannot add any additional courses or players by the guy running the tourney. He told me they were out of courses to add...sad sad sad to turn away that money and those disc golfers wanting to play. Surely between all the great minds working on this, they could come up with a solution to accomadate all the players that wished to participate

You would think so especially since they took spots away from the
Pro master division only to have ams consume what was left when it came
Down to the wire. It is what is. I would be good if just my other son would get
In cause I don't matter. :)

bgwvdave
May 10 2012, 04:08 PM
You would think so especially since they took spots away from the
Pro master division
Two ?'s
Can anyone confirm that there are still 2 spots available in MPM (Pro Masters)? i am counting 94 people displaying as registered and 96 people as the cap for the division.

Secondly i am not understanding the 96 person cap in the MPM field. The MPM and MPO divisions are playing the exact same amount of courses (3) and 2 of the 3 courses are shared bewteen the divisions but played on different days. so my question is why is the MPM field capped at 96 and the MPO field has 144 spots? any information as always is greatly appreciated.

cgkdisc
May 10 2012, 04:16 PM
MPM is pooled with the Adv Women one day and MJ2 another day. These are the kinds of compromises that have to be made with a combined Pro/Am Worlds with X number of courses.

bgwvdave
May 10 2012, 04:28 PM
Thanks Chuck i see that now. I understand consessions for sure. can you confirm though that there are still two spots the PDGA is working to fill?

gvan
May 10 2012, 04:53 PM
When my daughter got the call last week, they told me that her group (x) had the only 2 spots left in any division.

bgwvdave
May 10 2012, 04:59 PM
When my daughter got the call last week, they told me that her group (x) had the only 2 spots left in any division.
Thanks Gvan. the registration list hasn't been updated in a few days so i am more just trying to confirm that the cap for MPM is in fact 96 people as advertised and not full at 94 people which is what is showing now. Thanks for the info. though!

cgkdisc
May 10 2012, 05:00 PM
Sorry bgwvdave. I just help with the schedule when it needs updating and am not in the loop otherwise.

bgwvdave
May 10 2012, 05:01 PM
Sorry bgwvdave. I just help with the schedule when it needs updating and am not in the loop otherwise.No worries in the least Chuck. Thanks for the help, Info. and all you do!

cgkdisc
May 10 2012, 05:02 PM
I'm certain the MPM cap is 96 and isn't likely to move.

bgwvdave
May 10 2012, 09:17 PM
I'm in!

C11800
May 11 2012, 05:47 AM
I'm in!

Congrats Dave!
Good luck!!

Hope everybody has a great worlds experience! Maybe see you
Next year!!

C11800
May 14 2012, 05:22 PM
Any updates on the waitlist?? Anything??

C11800
May 15 2012, 10:21 AM
Any updates on the waitlist?? Anything??

Thanks for posting waitlist folks!!!!
Now, as people are taken off it will be updated accordingly?

Thanks again!

steveganz
May 15 2012, 10:41 AM
You beat me to it! http://www.pdga.com/2012worlds/waitlist-update-05-15

"Once a withdrawal is received, the first person on the waitlist for that particular division will then be contacted by phone for three days. If after three days there is no response, we will move on to the next person on the wait list. Once we have a registrant wishing to play, both the registration and wait lists will be updated."

sammyshaheen
May 15 2012, 10:49 AM
Maybe I am missing something but I don't see an updated waiting list.
Just the same one from 4/30.
Link?

steveganz
May 15 2012, 11:06 AM
Down at the bottom of the Current Waitlist (http://www.pixsvr.com/pics/pdgasignup/2012/PDGA%20Worlds%2012%20-%20WAITLIST.pdf) it should read "Last Update: 5/14/12 11:00pm EST"

sammyshaheen
May 15 2012, 03:39 PM
Still don't see it. All I keep pulling up from the "current waitlist" is
the one dated 4/30

How about a direct link to the waitlist?
Thanks

tacimala
May 15 2012, 03:55 PM
http://www.pixsvr.com/pics/pdgasignup/2012/PDGA%20Worlds%2012%20-%20WAITLIST.pdf

bgwvdave
May 15 2012, 03:58 PM
...

sammyshaheen
May 15 2012, 04:18 PM
Thanks guys I had to open it in Internet Explorer. Firefox kept opening the
old file for some reason.
4th on the list. I should get in - fingers crossed!!

C11800
May 15 2012, 07:24 PM
Whoooo Hoooo!!! I am in!!

rizbee
May 16 2012, 03:42 PM
Any idea on how often the waitlists and registration pages will be updated? Cal mentions above that he got in, yet he's still listed on the waitlist and not on the registration list. Dave has also mentioned that he's in, and he's not listed on the waitlist but is on the registration page, so I'm assuming he got in earlier than Cal.

Suggestions: Find some way to put a "last updated" date/time on the list of registered players. Keep players who have moved off the waitlist on the physical list, but strike through their names. That way those of us who are hanging on the edge have some way of seeing if there has been movement. I understand the enormity of the task, just trying to pass along a suggestion to keep the minions (myself included) from growling as much.

I'm already in, but my son is 14th on the MA1 waitlist. I was waiting until the PayPal balance from sold discs was enough to sign him up. My mistake.

ERicJ
May 16 2012, 08:33 PM
Some number crunching on the May 16th posted MA1 registration list.

NC registrations are well represented at 29% of the field.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/2012_am_worlds_ma1_states.jpg



http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/2012_am_worlds_ma1_ratings.jpg

Ratings breakdown:
932.4 Mean
933.5 Median
923 Mode

bgwvdave
May 17 2012, 04:26 PM
Some number crunching on the May 16th posted MA1 registration list.

NC registrations are well represented at 29% of the field.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/2012_am_worlds_ma1_states.jpg



http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/2012_am_worlds_ma1_ratings.jpg

Ratings breakdown:
932.4 Mean
933.5 Median
923 Mode
Eric J. them is some darn fine statistics right there. that really is great information.

As for the NC Representation i can speak to one thing that i learned through my conversation with the guy that called me with the PDGA registration team. while i was talking with him about getting in off the waitlist (i got my e-mail conformation of registering for the waitlist at 12:10 est just 10 min. after reg. opened up) he had stated that i was his 4th call that night (last thursday 5-10) and the 3 calls prior could not accept the spot as there were scheduling conflicts or they did not have enough time to arrange the trip this late in the game. I jumped on the chance because i am meerly 3 1/2 hours from Charlotte and already had the week off work. So i am assuming it is proximity that will make us NC'ers much more apt and able to accept spots with such short notice.

@C11800 - Great news man you and your son are in. Stoked!

Spinthrift
May 18 2012, 02:08 PM
It was stated on another message board that The Blake, the Worlds host hotel, was full.

That is wrong.

If you try to book through a travel service like Orbitz, etc., it will tell you nothing is available because Worlds has the rooms marked as reserved.

There are rooms available at The Blake at the 2012 Worlds rate of $89/night. You can only get the rate by going through the official link:
https://make-reservations.com/Hotel/...sc/booking.php

Here is the host hotel notice from the PDGA 2012 Worlds pages:


The host hotel for the tournament is The Blake Hotel, in downtown Charlotte at 555 S. McDowell Street. It is a full-service convention hotel located just a few blocks from the heart of Charlotte�s vibrant bar, restaurant and cultural district, the NASCAR Hall of Fame and the Metropolitan Center with its restaurants and shopping. Across the street from The Blake is Marshall Park, offering an expanse of green for relaxing, practice and catch discs.

A very favorable room rate of $89/night is being offered from July 13-22. Reservations are being accepted now online and can be made using the promo code �disc�. You may also book by phone at 1-888-664-6835 using the identifier �Combined World Disc Golf Championships.�

All tournament courses are within 30 minutes of The Blake, which is located adjacent to the city�s inner beltway and just a short distance from interstate highways I-77 and I-85. All official functions of the World Championships will be located at The Blake: player registration, the Players Meeting and the Flymart/Expo. And a nice touch is the hotel will be providing $2 beer specials for tournament players and their guests in the hotel bar and during functions.

Don't wait. Make your reservations today!

ERicJ
May 18 2012, 06:45 PM
All NC only
Mean 989.1 998.3
Median 993 1010.5
Mode 1010 1026http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/2012_pro_worlds_mpo_ratings.jpg

bullmoosejam
May 20 2012, 08:23 PM
I'm playing in Advanced Grandmaster
How many make the cut for semi-finals?
How many make the cut for finals?

jay40986
May 21 2012, 08:49 PM
Hey all worlds golfers. We have rented a house in Charlotte. Myself and the two others that are staying there are looking for two more people looking for a place to stay. We have rented a 3 bedroom house and has two baths and room for a basket and parking. It has a huge living room area and also a office type area that is empty and we could place a cot or air mattress in. Email me for particulars on the Price. Thanks. Also for all the woman out there this is three guys staying at the house so it would be at your own discreation if you joined us.
Email address.
jprutz@gmail.com
Thanks an hope to hear from you soon

ThePatrick
May 21 2012, 10:19 PM
I see the dubs lists on the tour schedule page, but no reg list. Is that going to get posted soon? With registration all but closed you should have most of your sign ups. An upload would be appreciated.

bruce_brakel
May 23 2012, 12:02 PM
If anyone reads ThePatrick's request and then realizes that PDGA.com is not designed to properly display doubles teams, there is a way to display both teammates with their PDGA number and rating. I'd be happy to share it with any doubles TD or data uploading person who might want it.

C11800
May 23 2012, 01:44 PM
Does anyone know when the waitlist will be updated??

Thanks

C11800
May 24 2012, 06:36 AM
Does anyone know when the waitlist will be updated??

Thanks

Anybody???