http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/tim_selinske_united_states_masters_championship_11 _logo_301x146.jpg


Welcome to the official 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters thread. Registration is open and we are looking forward to seeing you in April. You can get most of the info you need at these links:

Web Page: http://www.pdga.com/us-masters-disc-golf-championship (http://www.pdga.com/us-masters-disc-golf-championship)

Registered Players (and Results): http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16467 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16467)

On Line Registration: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089 (http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089)

Mail In Registration Form (see Quick Link at top): http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089 (http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089)

ShawShank Web Site: http://www.shawshankdgc.com/ (http://www.shawshankdgc.com/)
Note the Course Map on the ShawShank website is NOT the exact configuration we will be using for TSUSM. Official Course Maps will be available here for download by Feb. 15.

If you still have questions feel free to contact any of the following:
Tiffany Brogdon, TD: tiffsstar AT yahoo.com
Dolla Bill Thomason, Asst. TD: wthomason11 AT hotmail.com -or- 832-428-7945
Neal Dambra, Coord: ndambra AT comcast.net -or- 281-851-8872

A special thanks to our major sponsor: INNOVA Disc Golf (http://innovadiscs.com/). Among other things, INNOVA is making sure we have a quality player pack for everyone and they will be presenting a 9-Hole course (baskets) to Sam Houston State University and the City of Huntsville. Also, a huge thanks to all our other sponsors who are helping to make this a truly memorable event. If you are interested in sponsoring call Neal at 281-851-8872. You can also support the event by purchasing a fundraiser Katana (http://www.discnation.com/Innova-Katana-Champion-2011-Masters-Disc-Golf-Collectible-Discs.html). All sponsorship money goes directly to either payout or amenities for the players/staff.

The 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters is part of the 2011 Texas Swing. So head down South and warm up with us with four consecutive weekends of great disc golf. All of the Texas Swing weekend events from March 25-April 17 are listed on the PDGA Tour Calendar (http://www.pdga.com/tour_schedule). In addition, there will be mid-week events, minis, and clinics between each stop. See the attached postcard for more info.

-----------------------
2011 Tim Selinske US Masters
Travel, Lodging, and Weather Information

CLOSEST MAJOR AIRPORT
George Bush Intercontinental Airport, Houston (IAH). Approx 55 Miles from ShawShank. For air travel assistance call Laura at Advantage Travel Huntsville 936-291-8030.

HOTELS
We have reserved a block of 45 rooms at the Best Western Huntsville Inn & Suites 936-295-9000. Ask for “Group Reservation: PDGA” Room Rate $70. About half the rooms are Doubles and the remainder are Kings, so if you want a Double reserve early. An additional block of rooms is reserved under “Group Reservation: PDGA” at The Holiday Inn Express & Suites at $90, 936-295-4300. These blocks are held until March 15 only. Reserve early. Most other hotel chains are also available in or near Huntsville.

CAMPING
There is developed (with facilities) camping at Sam Houston State Park. For camping reservations call the Parks and Wildlife Reservation Center at 512-389-8900. There is also very rustic (no facilities) “hunters” camping in the Sam Houston National Forest within one half mile of ShawShank. No reservation or cost required (as far as we know) for this rustic camping. But remember, at this time of year it possibly can be quite be cold at night. Let Steve Dufraneknow if you are interested in the rustic camping and he will fill you in. Call him at 281-682-9446 after January 15th.

HUNTSVILLE WEATHER FACTS
Don’t pack yet, there is a wide range of possible weather historically for Huntsville during April 7-10.
Highs: Average 78� (26C), Record 97� (36C).
Lows: Average 56� (14C), Record 32� (0C).
Average April monthly rainfall 3.5 In.

LOCAL MAPS
Detailed maps of the area with TSUSM related landmarks defined be will be available for download here after February 15.

Nope.

Nope.

Where are they going to have it?

There is only 1 course there............

Also it is only an hour from my house and I wish I could play. lol

Maybe set up a temp course on a restricted property with marshals dressed in orange following each group...:)

Maybe set up a temp course on a restricted property with marshals dressed in orange following each group...:)

That supposed to be funny?

Seriously, Live Oak can't bump an event to an A-tier yet they allow a Major to be placed in Huntsville, TX?

The course is decent but not anything I would use for more than a B-tier. Also idk who is running it but the TDs in the area aren't the best around and I don't know if they can handle a Major..........would have said the same for Worlds but at least it would have had courses.

The only good thing is that I might get to design a new course!

With tee times you only need one GOOD course. La Mirada worked for years with one course.

What Airport is the closest to fly into Matt?

With tee times you only need one GOOD course. La Mirada worked for years with one course.

What Airport is the closest to fly into Matt?

This course is nothing like La Mirada and IMO not a super swell venue unless they plan on some scheme nobody I know has heard of.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=6228&year=2010&include_ratings=1#Open

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/gallery.php?id=2656&mode=gal#

The last time I played a tournament there was in 06' and I shot 56 and 58 on a 21 hole layout on a course that is quite flukey in areas and while a great course to go play with 10 people and camp it is not a place to host anything more than your avg B-tier in its current shape.

Not knowing the course is why I said it could be done on a GOOD course. Either way I will be playing wherever it is and fly into Hobby - it looks like the best option and drive up to Huntsville.

This is based on it not being the same dates as any of my 6 Events, 2 Vegas Events, or 2 VA Events that are not misses for me. :)

And since you aren't Masters age Matt, you could be there helping so all the old guys can give you a hard time about your opinions. :)

Keith,

Actually, Bush Intercontinental is on the north side of Houston, and would be closer to Huntsville than Hobby, which is on the south side of town.

And don't give Matt too hard of a time about his posts - some of them are quite amusing. I did laugh when I read his post about being excited to go to Santa Cruz for WDGC, even if it had, get this, lame payouts.

I am looking forward to reading his critiques of future Am Worlds locations, since they have the same relevance to him as the location of US Masters events.

Keith,

Actually, Bush Intercontinental is on the north side of Houston, and would be closer to Huntsville than Hobby, which is on the south side of town.

And don't give Matt too hard of a time about his posts - some of them are quite amusing. I did laugh when I read his post about being excited to go to Santa Cruz for WDGC, even if it had, get this, lame payouts.

I am looking forward to reading his critiques of future Am Worlds locations, since they have the same relevance to him as the location of US Masters events.


Actually this has more relevance since the likes of Climo and Shultz will be coming to Huntsville and IMO will be let down by what they see which will only damage the reputation of the area even more.

Did nobody else put in a bid?

Bush Intercontinental is closer although the cheaper flights come into Hobby like Bill said.

Anyway if this really does occur in Huntsville I will be there considering it is the closest course to me and my dad lives pretty close by..........$10 a round to caddy...or best offer. lol

$10 a round to caddy...or best offer. lol

Caddy for me & I will give you 50% of my winnings.

So, I am assuming that this will be on the Shawshank course, or is there another course in Huntsville?

It would be cool to have a mandatory around Big Sam Houston!

Keith,

Actually, Bush Intercontinental is on the north side of Houston, and would be closer to Huntsville than Hobby, which is on the south side of town.

And don't give Matt too hard of a time about his posts - some of them are quite amusing. I did laugh when I read his post about being excited to go to Santa Cruz for WDGC, even if it had, get this, lame payouts.

I am looking forward to reading his critiques of future Am Worlds locations, since they have the same relevance to him as the location of US Masters events.

I know GW is closer, but AirTran to Hobby is like 1/2 price most times - RT for TX States was 119 with taxes included from ATL -either way I'll be there - and if Matt wants to caddy for me I'll give him $50 bucks plus 10% of GM winnings (seriously)

I'm a new MPM player and look forward to competing in a US Masters in the future so I want to thank "the kid" for creating such a negative tone about this event a year before it starts. It took you about an hour to dog out the course, the TD's, set yourself up to profit (caddy), and get another jab in at Worlds. I'm sure they'll be asking you to design a course for them.

You're hosting a major in your home state and back yard, be excited and positve about it. Support it with all of your great ideas I read about and help attract players to it instead of
dooming the area's reputation. You've already turned me off.

You've already turned me off.

To the tourney or to the idk kid? I'm not surprised on the one hand and I'm surprised it's taken until now on the other :)

I'm a new MPM player and look forward to competing in a US Masters in the future so I want to thank "the kid" for creating such a negative tone about this event a year before it starts. It took you about an hour to dog out the course, the TD's, set yourself up to profit (caddy), and get another jab in at Worlds. I'm sure they'll be asking you to design a course for them.

You're hosting a major in your home state and back yard, be excited and positve about it. Support it with all of your great ideas I read about and help attract players to it instead of
dooming the area's reputation. You've already turned me off.

The caddy thing was a joke and I will be out there staffing in some form but I cannot go without protest when it comes to having a MAJOR at a course than would have a hard time hosting a B-tier.

The design of the course has many gimick tupe holes including a 30ft diameter island on the 18th hole called "Tin Cup".

This course has seen very little play from Pro players and when it has they have posted pretty well under par and it is nothing like the quality of the past hosts.



"Accidentally logged in with this on my friend's computer: This is the_kid

From the reviews I received from players we choose not to run a "C" tier event at the location in question...I will assume that no one else bid at all...I hate to agree with Matt but come on, we can do better than that...maybe the prison next door will be a sponsor and all the staff will get cool striped jumpsuits to wear

Well good luck with this event, sounds like you're off and running with concrete boots on. Good news is you have some time to get organized and make this a great event.

Well good luck with this event, sounds like you're off and running with concrete boots on. Good news is you have some time to get organized and make this a great event.


The bad news is that no other club must have bid even with the PDGA's $2000 subsidy.

I would like to see this event be the best it can but still feel that the PDGA should find another host for the event.

A gimicky course that would be rated a 6.5-7 by most Pros based on design and there are even better places within Houston to host the 100+.......probably 175 person field.

I am a Houston area Pro. I think Shawshank is the best course in the greater Houston area.

If I was going to make a fictional course out of the best 18 holes in Houston, at least 3 holes would come off of this course. Which is quite a bit given we have 20+ courses.

There is only one hole that I would consider "gimmicky" and it can be changed.

Matt, do you plan out what you say before you type? If so, do you intentionally try to **** off as many people as possible? Because it seems that this is your goal.

My reservations about this event have nothing to do with the course but rather location (it is about 15-20 min from any food or lodging) and parking.

I am a Houston area Pro. I think Shawshank is the best course in the greater Houston area.

If I was going to make a fictional course out of the best 18 holes in Houston, at least 3 holes would come off of this course. Which is quite a bit given we have 20+ courses.

There is only one hole that I would consider "gimmicky" and it can be changed.

Matt, do you plan out what you say before you type? If so, do you intentionally try to **** off as many people as possible? Because it seems that this is your goal.

My reservations about this event have nothing to do with the course but rather location (it is about 15-20 min from any food or lodging) and parking.


Well we have different opinions about the course then. While I do enjoy playing a round out there when I am able it does not seem to be a place to host a large event of this scale.

Hole 4,5, the zig-zag hole, and 18 are gimmicky and there is only 3 goles over 400ft out of 21 and 2 of those are downhill and still birdiable to go along with quite a short putter holes at the end of the course.

You, JD, and I are the only 1000+ rated players I know who have played the course in a tournament and if it matters the last time I played there it was after a lot of beer and the course was still too easy for anything bigger than a B-tier.

I heard a rumor that there might be a temp course and if so they do have good pieces of land nearby although they would be better off getting Olse or Houck to come in than having Neal & Co. be the main designers.

Seriously there are more holes under 200ft than over 400ft.

Hole 4 - i've seen 3 different routes birdie it
Hole 5 - you must have your numbering wrong. this is one of the ones that i would put on the fantasy 18. approx 225 with 215 of that being in a perfectly aligned pine forrest. a tree every 7-8 feet in a perfect grid. you throw down a tunnel with walls so straight it doesn't look real.
Hole 13 - (death row hole) this is the one i agree with you on.
Hole 21 - (Tin Cup) it is an island hole. like every other island hole in the world it requires a real good shot.

btw, when was the last time you were out there. have you seen the new tee pads? elevated about 8 inches, super firm with a great grippy rubber to throw from. have you seen the new tee signs? one piece of metal cut to have the Shawshank Logo and "prison bars" with footage and hole names on every one.

Hole 4 - i've seen 3 different routes birdie it
Hole 5 - you must have your numbering wrong. this is one of the ones that i would put on the fantasy 18. approx 225 with 215 of that being in a perfectly aligned pine forrest. a tree every 7-8 feet in a perfect grid. you throw down a tunnel with walls so straight it doesn't look real.
Hole 13 - (death row hole) this is the one i agree with you on.
Hole 21 - (Tin Cup) it is an island hole. like every other island hole in the world it requires a real good shot.

btw, when was the last time you were out there. have you seen the new tee pads? elevated about 8 inches, super firm with a great grippy rubber to throw from. have you seen the new tee signs? one piece of metal cut to have the Shawshank Logo and "prison bars" with footage and hole names on every one.




The last time I was there was the Birdshot event where I spotted instead of playing in a 3 person open division so no I have not seen the new pads or signs but I have probably played there more times than most people considering my dad worked there for 2 years with Steve.

Steve always asked for my advice when it came to changing holes but I personally just didn't see enough room to make it championship quality. The largest event that has been hosted there was a c-tier and even though I feel it can host a decent B-tier there is no way that Climo and Shultz will be happy when they see the course used in such a premier event.

Hole 5 is gimmicky and I have aced it 3 times (once back to back) which is more than any other hole I have played.........which almost made Steve change the name to "Matt's Hall". Hole 6 could be a great hole but I have given up on going for the pin 350ft away due to the fact it is almost impossible to keep a good shot from skipping long OB once you clear the pond.

Worlds, USDGC, Japan Open, European Open, Women's Nationals, and US Masters are the PDGA Majors and from what I have seen they all have amazing courses or at least a few good ones for the event yet so far there is a 21 hole course that you and I can shoot -5 on in our sleep.......

I can think of MANY places in TX that would be a better place for such an event yet the PDGA couldn't find one in the WHOLE COUNTRY to host this event besides Huntsville?

If the event really happens I will do what I can to help but at this point I still feel the PDGA should try and find another venue. I told many people at Waco that the event was coming to Shawshank and they were for the most par in disbelief just as I was.

One last thing......hole 21's basket and hole 1's tee is about 100ft apart yet they expect 170 players to practice where? 21 is gimmicky considering if you make the island you are no more than 17ft from the basket and while I don't hate the hole it just doesn't work for a PDGA Major.....USDGC's Island is much different.

Hole 4 is a big hyzer over 45ft pines that you hope crashes in and gets a good lie and to me that is pretty flukey......and as a whole I will reiterate that the course is GREAT for a weekend with a few friends but not a PDGA Major or even an A-tier

So have you confirmed that the event will be held at the Shawshank course? I don't think so, considering that you have heard a "rumor" that the event may be held at a temp course.

What information do you _know_ about the event, other than the city it is to be in? I can understand offering criticism, constructive or otherwise, about what is known, but it reads like you were telling people in Waco stuff about which you were not even sure, like what course the event is to be held.

Once the event gets solidified enough, I will be interested in reading what you have to say about the layout of the course they will be using, but for now, your speculation doesn't have much value added content, IMO.

So have you confirmed that the event will be held at the Shawshank course? I don't think so, considering that you have heard a "rumor" that the event may be held at a temp course.

What information do you _know_ about the event, other than the city it is to be in? I can understand offering criticism, constructive or otherwise, about what is known, but it reads like you were telling people in Waco stuff about which you were not even sure, like what course the event is to be held.

Once the event gets solidified enough, I will be interested in reading what you have to say about the layout of the course they will be using, but for now, your speculation doesn't have much value added content, IMO.

The event will 100% be taking place at Shawshank there is just a possibility of having another temp course next door on the neighbors property.

Unless the temp course is superb I would still advise the PDGA uppers to rethink this decision considering the baslkets and the course are copies of Mach Vs with a different type of chain........meaning unapproved and infringing on DGA's copyright.

Ahhhh, my old favorite the "shotgun blast" style of debate (a la Chuck Kennedy). The student has learned well from the master.

Hole 6 could be a great hole but I have given up on going for the pin 350ft away due to the fact it is almost impossible to keep a good shot from skipping long OB once you clear the pond.

Hole 6 is only 301'. Can't you get a Vomit to sit on a 300' throw?


Hole 4 is a big hyzer over 45ft pines that you hope crashes in and gets a good lie and to me that is pretty flukey......

Except that the trees have grown taller, I agree with you about this hole. #4 is my least favorite one out there, it's always seemed more luck than skill.


Generally, I think people should refrain from making premature judgments about this event until more of the details are released.

Hole 6 is only 301'. Can't you get a Vomit to sit on a 300' throw?




Except that the trees have grown taller, I agree with you about this hole. #4 is my least favorite one out there, it's always seemed more luck than skill.


Generally, I think people should refrain from making premature judgments about this event until more of the details are released.

I would agree with that last sentence in most cases but not when a PDGA Major is scheduled on a course that has only hosted a handful of C-tiers.

Also hole 6 being 301' makes it even worse. The hole demands more than a putter because of the line and the OB is only 30ft or so before the basket and about 4ft higher than the pin with OB just past the pin with a super fast green. I have birdied this hole a handful of times but it seems like I have even more putts to save a circle 3 and now I just toss way out right and layup for the 3.

Hole 7 is a GREAT hole....the only problem is that it also has cars all along the OB road on the right due to the lack of parking making collisions probable on a poor shot that goes right.

If I didn't feel so strongly about this being a mistake I wouldn't have posted.......Worlds in Houston would have been decent since QV would have made an awesome venue with 3-4 courses on site but this place is only one course that needs A LOT of work and at least one more course to make it even possible.

I am going to get in touch with Neal tonight

So I e-mailed Brian Graham with a few of my concerns basically asking him to maybe look at the bid again and possibly have a reputable designer like John Houck to see if it really can host such a large event.

Well I got a Blackberry response back where he said he would let the hosts know I sent an e-mail. The thing is that I already know the hosts and will be heading to the course again tomorrow to look it over and see the recent changes in person.

I thought it was basically a joke that I sent a truly sincere message and he basically brushed it off using 2 seconds on his Blackberry.

He's in or on his way to Japan - so you are lucky to even have gotten that - calm down just a little - and maybe next time show up at the summit where they are accepting bids so you can complain the instant someone applies :(

The place may suck -the place may be fine, it may be a disaster, it may be fine - but now one will know until it gets closer.

I was going to bid on the 2012 but wanted to wait and see how the top players in the country played my layout on tee times in the A-tier later this year to see if the one course would accomadate 180 players (my limit for the A-Tier) if it goes well - [2 rounds on a 18 layout worked with 4 somes with pleanty of time to spare during the NT in 2009 and A-tier in 2010] - I'll bid for it.

If not, I'll see what else needs to be considered, and it seems like either no onew bid for 2012 or the bid sucked so it wasn't accepted as it still shows nothing for 2012.

Maybe that was the rerason for accepting Huntsville in 2011 - I don't know - only those at the summit know - but either way as an old guy, I'm happy it's somewhere next year - and since it's in your backyard and the same state as the greatest designer in all of Disc Golf, I'm gonna be ****** if you don't give me a world class course with over a year to get it ready :)

He's in or on his way to Japan - so you are lucky to even have gotten that - calm down just a little - and maybe next time show up at the summit where they are accepting bids so you can complain the instant someone applies :(

The place may suck -the place may be fine, it may be a disaster, it may be fine - but now one will know until it gets closer.

I was going to bid on the 2012 but wanted to wait and see how the top players in the country played my layout on tee times in the A-tier later this year to see if the one course would accomadate 180 players (my limit for the A-Tier) if it goes well - [2 rounds on a 18 layout worked with 4 somes with pleanty of time to spare during the NT in 2009 and A-tier in 2010] - I'll bid for it.

If not, I'll see what else needs to be considered, and it seems like either no onew bid for 2012 or the bid sucked so it wasn't accepted as it still shows nothing for 2012.

Maybe that was the rerason for accepting Huntsville in 2011 - I don't know - only those at the summit know - but either way as an old guy, I'm happy it's somewhere next year - and since it's in your backyard and the same state as the greatest designer in all of Disc Golf, I'm gonna be ****** if you don't give me a world class course with over a year to get it ready :)

It is nice to see you going about it the right way and running a test A-tier to see if it is possible to host the event in 2012 but that is exactly what is needed here.

The course has only hosted a few 1 day C-tiers and the course is quite crowded once you get more than 50 players with a few backups to occur even though the overall layout is not very difficult. It would have been a better idea for them to have run a 2 day B-tier or something larger to see if they can accommodate the large amount of traffic.

I plan on heading out there tomorrow and will hopefully be surprised with the course.

I've been running multiple Events there for 5 years including as the course director for the NT AND A-tier the last 2 years - I know what can happen - but I want to run it with a larger # of players to be sure of spacing using Memorial and Vegas as time indicators - knowing where backups could be -etc.

Why don't you come down and check the course out yourself the last weekend of Sept for a shot at $2000 guaranteed first place cash against this field of players so far with 3&1/2 months to go:
Georgia Super Six Series #6 5th Annual Forsyth County Open

Current Registration
Date Tier Total Players
24-Sep to 26-Sep-2010 A 55
Open
Name PDGA# Current Rating City State Country
Gregg Barsby 15857 Yes 1018 Grass Valley CA USA
Geoff Bennett 24962 Yes 1010 Canton MI USA
Derek Billings 28965 Yes 1009 Rancho Cordova CA USA
Cody Britain 32094 Yes 973 Cumming GA USA
Matt Dollar 26045 Yes 1005 Loganville GA USA
Tim Ellis 13438 Yes 978 Sugar Hill GA USA
Dave Felberg 12626 Yes 1037 Portland OR USA
Brad Hammock 5912 Yes 1011 Decatur GA USA
Avery Jenkins 7495 Yes 1030 Santa Cruz CA USA
Jeremy Koling 33705 Yes 1009 Charlotte NC USA
Cale Leviska 24341 Yes 1024 Saint Paul MN USA
Nikko Locastro 11534 Yes 1035 Saint Louis MO USA
Paul McBeth 27523 Yes 1023 Huntingtn Beach CA USA
Eric McCabe 11674 Yes 1019 Corinth TX USA
Kevin McCoy 9453 Yes 1017 Senoia GA USA
Kris Orrick 20020 Yes 1015 Knoxville TN USA
Matt Orum 18330 Yes 1019 Mobile AL USA
Walton Satcher 32277 Yes 959 North Topsail Beach NC USA
Will Schusterick 29064 Yes 1010 Knoxville TN USA
Cory Sharp 24270 Yes 1001 West Jordan UT USA
Cary Trotter 19147 Yes 995 Las Vegas NV USA
Paul Ulibarri 27171 Yes 1023 Scottsdale AZ USA


Keep me posted,
Keith

I've been running multiple Events there for 5 years including as the course director for the NT AND A-tier the last 2 years - I know what can happen - but I want to run it with a larger # of players to be sure of spacing using Memorial and Vegas as time indicators - knowing where backups could be -etc.

Why don't you come down and check the course out yourself the last weekend of Sept for a shot at $2000 guaranteed first place cash against this field of players so far with 3&1/2 months to go:
Georgia Super Six Series #6 5th Annual Forsyth County Open

Current Registration
Date Tier Total Players
24-Sep to 26-Sep-2010 A 55
Open
Name PDGA# Current Rating City State Country
Gregg Barsby 15857 Yes 1018 Grass Valley CA USA
Geoff Bennett 24962 Yes 1010 Canton MI USA
Derek Billings 28965 Yes 1009 Rancho Cordova CA USA
Cody Britain 32094 Yes 973 Cumming GA USA
Matt Dollar 26045 Yes 1005 Loganville GA USA
Tim Ellis 13438 Yes 978 Sugar Hill GA USA
Dave Felberg 12626 Yes 1037 Portland OR USA
Brad Hammock 5912 Yes 1011 Decatur GA USA
Avery Jenkins 7495 Yes 1030 Santa Cruz CA USA
Jeremy Koling 33705 Yes 1009 Charlotte NC USA
Cale Leviska 24341 Yes 1024 Saint Paul MN USA
Nikko Locastro 11534 Yes 1035 Saint Louis MO USA
Paul McBeth 27523 Yes 1023 Huntingtn Beach CA USA
Eric McCabe 11674 Yes 1019 Corinth TX USA
Kevin McCoy 9453 Yes 1017 Senoia GA USA
Kris Orrick 20020 Yes 1015 Knoxville TN USA
Matt Orum 18330 Yes 1019 Mobile AL USA
Walton Satcher 32277 Yes 959 North Topsail Beach NC USA
Will Schusterick 29064 Yes 1010 Knoxville TN USA
Cory Sharp 24270 Yes 1001 West Jordan UT USA
Cary Trotter 19147 Yes 995 Las Vegas NV USA
Paul Ulibarri 27171 Yes 1023 Scottsdale AZ USA


Keep me posted,
Keith

Sorry but I will be in school and am already missing classes for USDGC and when it all boils down school is more important.

Sorry but I will be in school and am already missing classes for USDGC and when it all boils down school is more important.

You can ALWAYS go to school, but you can only play the 5th Annual Forsyth County Open
A-Tier with a GUARANTEED $2000 first place prize this year! :)

If "The Kid" doesn't scare everybody away, I believe everyone will be pleasantly surprised by Shawshank next year. There are a lot of folks here who are ready to pour a lot of energy, sweat, heart & soul into this thing...and we are just as passionate as "The Kid", except the rest of us are heading in the opposite direction from where he's going! I've not seen a course quite like this one anywhere near the Houston area...challenging & beautiful at the same time...out in the middle of "nowhere" far from freeways, sirens & all those other wonderful distractions. We've got nearly a year to get this thing together & lots of people ready to make it sweet...I personally think it'll be so sweet you might get a toothache!

The one thing this event will have is plenty of people willing to do whatever they can to make it the best it can be!!!

My whole issue is that the PDGA chose a course that is unproven in anything other than a few 1-day C-tiers and has yet to get all the teepads installed. I am just dumbfounded that another established course that has a proven track record of hosting large events wasn't chosen and instead the PDGA took a giant leap of faith on this one.

I still stand behind what I said about the course being unproven and it hasn't even shown it can run a 90 person 2 day event yet the PDGA chose it for a 3 day 175 person event.

Matt, did you actually find out if any other clubs bid for the event? If not then Huntsville was the only choice right? Don't blame the PDGA on that, they have to award a club and give them enough time to organize, and for players to make travel plans. As many on the MB have reminded you....WE are the PDGA, the players and members and WE make these events happen, not some all powerful governing body you blame everything on. The few staff members and volunteers that work at HQ in Augusta represent us, they don't govern us.

Matt, did you actually find out if any other clubs bid for the event? If not then Huntsville was the only choice right? Don't blame the PDGA on that, they have to award a club and give them enough time to organize, and for players to make travel plans. As many on the MB have reminded you....WE are the PDGA, the players and members and WE make these events happen, not some all powerful governing body you blame everything on. The few staff members and volunteers that work at HQ in Augusta represent us, they don't govern us.

I am starting to hope that was the reason this location was chosen although it would be disheartening to see no other bids turned in. I have heard rumors of other locations that bid but nothing I would call more than a rumor.

I have heard that Tim wanted the event to move each year which answered my question as to why the IDGC could not host the event. When the IDGC was started I was under the impression it would host large events throughout the year (Majors like worlds) and it seems like a perfect place to host such an event with 3 courses at a central location.

If however there were other bids I just hope that Huntsville was actually the best choice and didn't just look the best on paper. To me that seems hard to believe but like you said I wouldn't be surprised if not many bids were turned in.

The event will be the best it can be as the Houston scene is very good when it comes to getting volunteers to help run events but as of now the course is not ready for such a task.

It is better to have a "B" level course and an "A" level tournament staff than it is to have an "A" level course and a "B" level tournament staff.

The one thing this event will have is plenty of people willing to do whatever they can to make it the best it can be!!!

My whole issue is that the PDGA chose a course that is unproven in anything other than a few 1-day C-tiers and has yet to get all the teepads installed. I am just dumbfounded that another established course that has a proven track record of hosting large events wasn't chosen and instead the PDGA took a giant leap of faith on this one.

I still stand behind what I said about the course being unproven and it hasn't even shown it can run a 90 person 2 day event yet the PDGA chose it for a 3 day 175 person event.

So the PDGA has been mislead, is compentent, or unintelligent, or that it operates in "faith-based" mode seems to be the point you are making.

An "unproven" course can't possibly be used for a major.

And the reason you have such an interest in this event's selection is because you have issues with the PDGA payout at Worlds? [At least that was the rationale you used on the HFDS.org discussion board.]

I stand behind my assertion that your reasoning for writing to the PDGA to get them to change their minds just shows up as being mean-sprited. It certainly takes away from the efforts of the people here that took the time and trouble to make the proposal to the PDGA and the folks whom have offered up their private property to host this event. While it might not be the strongest course ever offered for the US Masters, that doesn't justify your working against all of the people that DO care and ARE trying to put on a great event.

But thanks for sharing your negative opinions over and over Matt. We sure appreciate all of the contributions you make toward promoting Houston Disc Golf...oh...wait a sec...I guess you haven't made any. Nevermind.

It is better to have a "B" level course and an "A" level tournament staff than it is to have an "A" level course and a "B" level tournament staff.

Amen to that Bill !!! It's a great and appropriate quote!

So the PDGA has been mislead, is compentent, or unintelligent, or that it operates in "faith-based" mode seems to be the point you are making.

An "unproven" course can't possibly be used for a major.

And the reason you have such an interest in this event's selection is because you have issues with the PDGA payout at Worlds? [At least that was the rationale you used on the HFDS.org discussion board.]

But thanks for sharing your negative opinions over and over Matt. We sure appreciate all of the contributions you make toward promoting Houston Disc Golf...oh...wait a sec...I guess you haven't made any. Nevermind.



Actually I stated that I personally care about the quality of the PDGA Majors which is partially why I am so upset about the payouts. You basically were saying that since I am not going to play that I should shut up since it has no relevance to me.

The fact is that the event has just as much relevance to me as it does you and just because I am not going to be playing doesn't mean I shouldn't voice legitimate concerns about the course which has never even hosted a 2 day event yet is trying ti host a MAJOR.

I feel sorry for the Dufrane's in many way as they have no clue what the event entails and they didn't even seem to feel another course was needed (although Steve told me it is possible).

Also I gave up on Houston Disc Golf long ago due to the lack of competitive nature in the city which was made evident when they capped the MPO division to 24 players when the Pro pool could host 72 players.

I have said it a few times now and I mean it when I say if the event does go through in Huntsville I help in any way I can............and unlike you I will do it even if it means I wouldn't get to play (which luckily I can't).

Sorry to be a downer but I will just keep pounding in the fact that the course has hosted 5-6 c-tiers with 1 a year and will be hosting the "test" event in September which seems the opposite of Mr. Johnson's idea to run a large event before placing a bid.

It is better to have a "B" level course and an "A" level tournament staff than it is to have an "A" level course and a "B" level tournament staff.

I agree with this 100%

Houston does have a great pool of volunteers which is easy to see every year at TX States but I just can't see 170+ players on ONE course over 3 days.

While driving around the area it is easy to spot prime DG locations for a potential course and if they can secure a piece of prime land I would change my tune.

If this was an A-tier it would still be a big deal but with a PDGA Major I feel the need to speak up and state that there is A LOT of work that needs to be done and although the local scene seems to be pumped about the event very few players know what a big deal this. Most feel that since they enjoy the course it will fine for a MAJOR and write off any criticism due to the fact they like the course.

I like the course and enjoy playing it but it is a much better casual course than a Tourny course.

I agree with this 100%

Houston does have a great pool of volunteers which is easy to see every year at TX States but I just can't see 170+ players on ONE course over 3 days.

While driving around the area it is easy to spot prime DG locations for a potential course and if they can secure a piece of prime land I would change my tune.

If this was an A-tier it would still be a big deal but with a PDGA Major I feel the need to speak up and state that there is A LOT of work that needs to be done and although the local scene seems to be pumped about the event very few players know what a big deal this. Most feel that since they enjoy the course it will fine for a MAJOR and write off any criticism due to the fact they like the course.

I like the course and enjoy playing it but it is a much better casual course than a Tourny course.

Kid, you are wasting a lot of time complaining when you should be out working on the course.
Oh I forgot you already gave up on Houston disc golf so contributing is probably out of the question.
So why are you on here? Are you just trying to see if you can drag the rest of us down to your level? Ain't happening...sorry.

He's busy on the ratings thread, aggravating Chuck so he can get on a top 10 list somewhere. He is relentless when he is trying to make a point, I'll give him that.

Having just returned from Am Worlds in Ohio...I can say that Shawshank is in just as good a shape (if not better) as any of the courses I played. As far as distance from hotels....we had to drive 40-something miles one way to a couple of the World's courses. Huntsville hotels are maybe 10 to 12 miles from the Dufranes. The biggest issue will be parking at the course...and, if it rains, where do we huddle all these people up at? I'm sure Steve's parents don't & can't have them all come into the house! These are the issues that need to be addressed...and I'm confident they will be.

I really don't understand why so many people get upset when other people express their opinions. Buncha babies.

Were you kidding calling us babies? You can't type sarcasm.

When you post an opinion here then it's open season. To disagree or get upset is another way to express your opinion....right? You have to expect some debate.

Not kidding. There is a difference in debate and telling Matt his opinion doesn't matter. Every one should expect Matt to complain. It is what he does. I for one plan on playing since I am old.

So Matt complains again and its OK but when others do it they are babies?

Really?

Actually since I know Matt I hear his voice in my head when I read his posts. Not knowing other folks I am probably not giving them a fair listen. Carry on.

I may not agree with everything that Matt says or the manner in which he sometimes says it, but on this one I think that the mob that's out to get him on this thread has got it wrong.

I firmly agree with Matt's thrust that "Major" tournaments need to be played on the best courses. I disagree with the notion that somehow having an "A" tournament staff makes up for playing on a "B" course. The Selinske is several short months away and I've yet to see anything alluring about the facility that's been selected. Sure, there's the comradery and chance to see many legends of our sport, but that alone doesn't make a pro major.

Now, I may be wrong, and the course that's online:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course.php?id=2656&mode=hi
may actually have been revamped into a track worthy of hosting a major championship. If that's the case, I hope that pictures and stats for this new and improved course are posted soon, so that those of us that are on the fence can make up our minds.

These pictures do not look anything like the magnificent facility that is found in Appling, GA:
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=2656&mode=media

So now, Matt can get some rest and y'all can sharpen your daggers and come after me for daring to suggest that we can and should do better!

I'm still waiting to see any onfo on this event. The banner ad says, information here begining October 31st. Have yet to see or hear anything. I'm trying to decide on either this event or the Worlds in Cali. Need to start making plans, would be nice to know something.

On behalf of my family and myself, we wish to welcome all of you who wish to come play the 2011 Tim Selinski's U.S. Master's Championship. We are very humbled indeed to have this honor bestowed upon us and our little backyard variety disc golf course. There were some issues raised with the announcement of Shawshank being chosen for the venue of a P.D.G.A. Major and we have quickly and dilegently responded to these points of concern as thouroughly as possible. Shawshank is currently ranked in the top 10 disc golf courses in Texas for people to come play. A true Master's style disc golf course, it was designed to give us older more skilled players a chance to show off our stuff to those who deemed it impressive to launch a disc down field over 500'. Ooh wow... now show me you can control it for 23 different shots on 23 holes...We have added 4, 500' to 600' holes on our neighbors property just to be fair to those who want to crank one out there. Parking for this years event will be no problem with the use of special private parking area in the natl. forest with limo golf cart shuttels to and from the course. The parking area will be staffed with on site security to guard players vehicles while they are incarcerated. The hotel accomodations are the best available in Huntsville with your choice of the new Holiday Inn Express, $90.00 per night or the recently renovated $3,000,000.00 upgrade Best Western @70.00 per night. the difference is one is indoor rooms pool and lobby, the other is doors and pools to the outside, both have excersise facilitys and free breakfast. Thursday night welcome party and crawfish boil at Murski's tavern. Friday and Sat. night we light up the front nine for a little friendly doubles match. No one has ever left an event at Shawshank dissatisfied with our efforts to provide an enjoyable and entertaining golfing experience. The comments and concerns expressed by Matt and a few others regarding the selection of this facility over other more suitable locations for a MAJOR event are well justified and correctly spoken. I for my part, upon hearing the news at first, was equally shocked... but, Tim selenski and Innova sponsered my first event out here, The World's Smallest Disc golf Tournament... Neal Dambra helped me with The Great Esteak event, we served inch and 3/4 bone in ribeyes for that one, and each and every event since these have only added to the praise and great reviews this course and our hospitality recieves. I am fully aware of the great responsiblity and Honor the family of Mr Selenski, Innova Champion Discs, and the P.D.G.A. place upon me and my family to host a succesfull major event. I can only say that as, for the most part, I, a one man crew till this point, will be setting the bar very very high, for people and clubs and venues to follow, from this point onward. It would indeed be a crime for any of you not to have the chance to come down and do time at Shawshank. Come on!, I'll beat you with a Roc! Thanks, The DuFranes.

The list of people who are currently assisting, staffing and helping to promote this years Tim Selinski's Master's Champioship is extensive and growing, while the course itself is my baby and and I'm responsible for the delivery, the overall event would not be possible without the help and guidance of Neal Dambra, Andi and Don Young, the Disc Golf Consultants, Joun Houck, for insperation and guidance on how to design a golf course, the volunteers and support of H.F.D.S., Matt Hall... and the anticipated and eagerly awaited flood of volunteers at crunch time to make this all possible. Best to all of you, and many thanks, Steve Dufrane, and Family.

Thank you, looks like I will be attending.

2011 Tim Selinske US Masters Travel, Lodging and Weather Information

CLOSEST MAJOR AIRPORT
George Bush Intercontinental Airport, Houston (IAH). Approx 55 Miles from ShawShank. For air travel assistance call Laura at Advantage Travel
Huntsville (936) 291-8030.

HOTELS
We have reserved a block of 45 rooms at the Best Western Huntsville Inn & Suites (936) 295-9000. Ask for �Group Reservation: PDGA� Room Rate $70. About half the rooms are Doubles and the remainder are Kings, so if you want a Double reserve early. An additional block of rooms is reserved under �Group Reservation: PDGA� at The Holiday Inn Express & Suites at $90. (936) 295-4300. Most other hotel chains are also available in or near Huntsville.

CAMPING
There is developed (with facilities) camping at Sam Houston State Park. For camping reservations call the Parks and Wildlife Reservation Center at (512) 389-8900. There is also very rustic (no facilities) �hunters� camping in the Sam Houston National Forest within one half mile of ShawShank. No reservation or cost required (as far as we know) for the rustic camping.

HUNTSVILLE WEATHER FACTS
Don�t pack yet, there is a wide range of possible weather historically for Huntsville during April 7-10.
Average High: 78� (26C).
Record High: 97� (36C).
Average Low: 56� (14C).
Record Low: 32� (0C).
Average April monthly rainfall 3.5 In.

LOCAL MAPS
Detailed maps of the area with TSUSM related landmarks defined be will be available for download on our web page on www.PDGA.com (http://www.PDGA.com) after February 15.

6 from Oklahoma signed up as soon as it opened.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Disc%20Golf%20Events/tim_selinske_united_states_masters_championship_11 _logo_301x146.jpg

Welcome to the official 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters thread. Registration is open and we are looking forward to seeing you in April. You can get most of the info you need at these links:

Web Page: http://www.pdga.com/us-masters-disc-golf-championship (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../us-masters-disc-golf-championship)

Registered Players (and Results): http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/16467

On Line Registration: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

Mail In Registration Form (see Quick Link at top): http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

ShawShank Web Site: http://www.shawshankdgc.com/
Note the Course Map on the ShawShank website is NOT the exact configuration we will be using for TSUSM. Official Course Maps will be available here for download by Feb. 15.

If you still have questions feel free to contact any of the following:
Tiffany Brogdon, TD: tiffsstar AT yahoo.com
Dolla Bill Thomason, Asst. TD: wthomason11 AT hotmail.com -or- 832-428-7945
Neal Dambra, Coord: ndambra AT comcast.net -or- 281-851-8872

A special thanks to our major sponsor: INNOVA Disc Golf (http://innovadiscs.com/). Among other things, INNOVA is making sure we have a quality player pack for everyone and they will be presenting a 9-Hole course (baskets) to Sam Houston State University and the City of Huntsville. Also, a huge thanks to all our other sponsors who are helping to make this a truly memorable event. If you are interested in sponsoring call Neal at 281-851-8872. You can also support the event by purchasing a fundraiser Katana (http://www.discnation.com/Innova-Katana-Champion-2011-Masters-Disc-Golf-Collectible-Discs.html). All sponsorship money goes directly to either payout or amenities for the players/staff.

The 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters is part of the 2011 Texas Swing. So head down South and warm up with us with four consecutive weekends of great disc golf. All of the Texas Swing weekend events from March 25-April 17 are listed on the PDGA Tour Calendar (http://www.pdga.com/tour_schedule). In addition, there will be mid-week events, minis, and clinics between each stop. See the attached postcard for more info.

-----------------------
2011 Tim Selinske US Masters
Travel, Lodging, and Weather Information

CLOSEST MAJOR AIRPORT
George Bush Intercontinental Airport, Houston (IAH). Approx 55 Miles from ShawShank. For air travel assistance call Laura at Advantage Travel Huntsville 936-291-8030.

HOTELS
We have reserved a block of 45 rooms at the Best Western Huntsville Inn & Suites 936-295-9000. Ask for “Group Reservation: PDGA” Room Rate $70. About half the rooms are Doubles and the remainder are Kings, so if you want a Double reserve early. An additional block of rooms is reserved under “Group Reservation: PDGA” at The Holiday Inn Express & Suites at $90, 936-295-4300. These blocks are held until March 15 only. Reserve early. Most other hotel chains are also available in or near Huntsville.

CAMPING
There is developed (with facilities) camping at Sam Houston State Park. For camping reservations call the Parks and Wildlife Reservation Center at 512-389-8900. There is also very rustic (no facilities) “hunters” camping in the Sam Houston National Forest within one half mile of ShawShank. No reservation or cost required (as far as we know) for this rustic camping. But remember, at this time of year it possibly can be quite be cold at night. Let Steve Dufraneknow if you are interested in the rustic camping and he will fill you in. Call him at 281-682-9446 after January 15th.

HUNTSVILLE WEATHER FACTS
Don’t pack yet, there is a wide range of possible weather historically for Huntsville during April 7-10.
Highs: Average 78� (26C), Record 97� (36C).
Lows: Average 56� (14C), Record 32� (0C).
Average April monthly rainfall 3.5 In.

LOCAL MAPS
Detailed maps of the area with TSUSM related landmarks defined be will be available for download here after February 15.

[post deleted - unnecessary after thread merge]

Registrations are at 60+ in 4 days!

Registrations are at 60+ in 4 days!

How often do they update the registration page? Just curious....signed up two days ago and I don't see my name yet.

Also....is there any way somebody might be able to update the course page (on the disc golf course review website) with photos from each tee and descriptions of the flight patterns/shot selections required?

Looking forward to it...

:confused:

say it aint so.. I see barry wayne pierce is going to sand bag for another year in adv masters??????? come on dude your rating is over 950 weak!!

also another question is i thought once you have accepted cash as a pro you cannot play majors or NT's as an amatuer is this not correct?

You cannot play in Am Majors which currently would be Am Nats, Am Worlds, US Masters (Am div), USWDGC (Am div) & Am World Dubs UNLESS you have applied to the PDGA and been approved to be reinstated as an Am. Then you can play all of these events as an Am.

Has this event always included ams?

so what you are saying is jake needs to MOVE UP!!!! :)

james this event DID NOT have ams last year but they did have an event just for them .. the steady ed am masters

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/15306

US Masters has had Am Master and older divisions for at least 3 or 4 years now.

30+ Adv Masters.......3 from outside of TX.

Also, what is the field capped at? It already shows 103 with a lot of notables having yet to sign up.

How often do they update the registration page? Just curious....signed up two days ago and I don't see my name yet.
After the holidays now we're trying to update the online list every day or so. If you don't see your name within three days of registering contact Neal Dambra at the address listed in the first post of this thread.

Also....is there any way somebody might be able to update the course page (on the disc golf course review website) with photos from each tee and descriptions of the flight patterns/shot selections required?
Course maps and a "caddy book" will be available on or about Feb. 15.

Also, what is the field capped at? It already shows 103 with a lot of notables having yet to sign up.

Pre-registration slot available are shown, by division, on the grid included at the US Masters website: http://www.pdga.com/us-masters-disc-golf-championship

I've got air, condo, and car already covered - I'm looking forward to playing back to back Events a week apart, even though I'm NOT looking forward to flying back and forth 5 days apart.

See everyone that isn't in Vegas or the Memorial in 3 months. :)

james this event DID NOT have ams last year...

I am your Advanced Masters National Champ from 2004, the first year that Am divisions were offered at The Forgotten Major.

My wife and I also made the trek to the IDGC last year and we competed in amateur divisions.

i stand corrected.

Can anybody enter the putting contest, like the night golf?

Can anybody enter the putting contest, like the night golf?
Yes, anyone can enter the putting contests.
Look for putting contest format & rules to be announced around March 1st.

New US Masters Registration Deadlines


Thanks to the all the players who registered early for the Tim Selinske US Masters. Our A Pool is essentially full and going to waitlist for the following divisions: MPM, MPG, MM1, MG1. Your overwhelming response has required us to change the deadlines for our B Pool divisions to ensure players on the waitlists have time to plan their trip.

The new deadlines for registering in the following divisions are:
� Midnight January 24: MPS, MS1, Legend, & Senior Legend.
� Midnight February 11: FPG, FPS, FM1, & FG1.
� Midnight March 7: FPM.

If, after these dates, the A Pool waitlists do not use all available spots then the B Pool divisions will remain open beyond these dates. To register click here:
http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

To get on a wait list for MPM, MPG, MM1 or MG1 contact Neal Dambra at ndambra AT comcast.net

Again, thank you for your continued expediency in getting registered. Early registration at any event makes your TD�s job a lot easier and we all appreciate it.

New US Masters Registration Deadlines


Thanks to the all the players who registered early for the Tim Selinske US Masters. Our A Pool is essentially full and going to waitlist for the following divisions: MPM, MPG, MM1, MG1. Your overwhelming response has required us to change the deadlines for our B Pool divisions to ensure players on the waitlists have time to plan their trip.

The new deadlines for registering in the following divisions are:
� Midnight January 24: MPS, MS1, Legend, & Senior Legend.
� Midnight February 11: FPG, FPS, FM1, & FG1.
� Midnight March 7: FPM.

If, after these dates, the A Pool waitlists do not use all available spots then the B Pool divisions will remain open beyond these dates. To register click here:
http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

To get on a wait list for MPM, MPG, MM1 or MG1 contact Neal Dambra at ndambra AT comcast.net

Again, thank you for your continued expediency in getting registered. Early registration at any event makes your TD�s job a lot easier and we all appreciate it.


So when I said Barry and Ken would be upset I may have been wrong.........they might not even show!

Sad to see MPM spots being filled so quick without too many high rated players signed up.

Rating or not, you snooze you lose.

Rating or not, you snooze you lose.

Under the current system yes...........but it would be nice if Majors were ALL invite only.

Is there anything nice you'd like to say regarding this event Matt?

Or do you just enjoy doggin your fellow locals out?

What makes you so qualified to knock any and everything about this or any other event?

GROW UP and maybe they'll let you play with us.

Please don't let him play in our division ever.... ;)

We don't have to worry,dread (pick any word you want) about him playin in our division anytime soon

Is there anything nice you'd like to say regarding this event Matt?

Or do you just enjoy doggin your fellow locals out?

What makes you so qualified to knock any and everything about this or any other event?

GROW UP and maybe they'll let you play with us.

Umm.......the weather should be nice!

I just hate to see a "National" event with so few players from outside the region. It kinda falls into the same category asn "World Doubles" which is 90% Texans.

I still forsee this as a failure but maybe those "600-700ft" holes will add something too the course and they won't be just wide open.

I have said it before and I will say it again, this course shouldn't host a Major........ It has 1-2 legit par 4's and that is it! When you couple that with quite a few gimmick holes I think most Pros would agree it shouldn't host anything more than a B-tier (which it has only done ONCE).

for $150 entry I hope it is not a duece or die or carni holes type course !!!

for $150 entry I hope it is not a duece or die or carni holes type course !!!

It isn't.......but it is far from a championship course.

Umm.......the weather should be nice!

I just hate to see a "National" event with so few players from outside the region. It kinda falls into the same category asn "World Doubles" which is 90% Texans.

I still forsee this as a failure but maybe those "600-700ft" holes will add something too the course and they won't be just wide open.

I have said it before and I will say it again, this course shouldn't host a Major........ It has 1-2 legit par 4's and that is it! When you couple that with quite a few gimmick holes I think most Pros would agree it shouldn't host anything more than a B-tier (which it has only done ONCE).


looks to me like your mistaking "length" with "major". just because its not a "long" course to your standards doesnt mean it cant host a major. i think the bottlenecks due to tight fairways will be a concern, not organization or "length". i played the course in december and its a fine course that will challenge your technical abilities more than how far you can throw it.

We get it Matt. You don't approve of the course, location, even the caliber of contestants.

Your objection is noted.

But like it or not, this event IS moving forward and WILL happen regardless of how many things you can point out are so wrong with it.

Please be more positive and help make this event a success by either volunteering or taking up any negative concerns you may have with the individuals directly.

There are a lot of people spending huge amounts of time, effort, and money to create an event that we can all enjoy, and you know most of them personally.

We get it Matt. You don't approve of the course, location, even the caliber of contestants.

Your objection is noted.

But like it or not, this event IS moving forward and WILL happen regardless of how many things you can point out are so wrong with it.

Please be more positive and help make this event a success by either volunteering or taking up any negative concerns you may have with the individuals directly.

There are a lot of people spending huge amounts of time, effort, and money to create an event that we can all enjoy, and you know most of them personally.

I have heard that there will be an A-tier the same weekend for non-Masters Pros so the odds of me attending the event are slim at best.

I do not blame any locals for the event but I still don't think any of them know how a Major should be run as very few in the area have played such a high caliber event. From what I have heard the PDGA only received 2 bids for the event so they also were limited in the venues they had to choose from. The fact they only had two bids is quite sad and ity is even worse that the PDGA couldn't find a way to find a better suited complex for such an event.

It also seems that the course has been tweaked a bit but I am quite skeptical of how this will work out and I am not the only one ( I talked to players from the las B-tier). It also dissapionts me that the event will only be played on one course.....if the course was a 18 hole par 62 it would be different but this is not the case with the original 19 at Shawshank being a 57 (at most) and more likely a par 55 with hole 7 (Green Mile) being the only true par 4.....and it is more of a par 4.5 in my mind that has little room to be moved back tyo a par 5 and it is highly unlikely the basket would be moved up 45ft to make it a true par 4 with 3s more likely.

Once again I fel that if there is anything bad to come from this event it is not the fault of those running the event but the fault of those running the org who could not offer incentives to run the event and thus were given only 2 bids.

BTW I am not saying a course needs to be long to host a mojor but I feel it needs to challenge players around the 1000 rated mark. The last time I was there ( a month after the event was announced) the course was not up to this level and I shot a 47.....in wet comditions.

Once again I don't place any fault with the locals (although I think it was naive to think the course could host such an event) but instead feel that it is the responsibility of the PDGA to provide players with a well suited venue for Majors and when they receive so few bids that should tell them something.........like there needs to be more incentive to host such an event so other clubs would WANT to host the Major and instead of having 2 bidders there should be 10+ so that the PDGA could then choose the best city.

In this case they chose a locaton which had never hosted more than a C-tier, didn't have tees, and neeeded a lot of work to get up to a standard of a Major instead of choosing a more established course which already had these in place.


Texas Disc Golf is a joke to most touring players and I am just hoping that these events in the spring will not furthur this belief........and to do this we need to set a standard vs trying to get by barely meeting the standard. Basically having A-tiers with $800 for 1st hurts TX more than it helps us IMO......when you could have those events run as AWESOME B-tiers like Mr. Jims.

looks to me like your mistaking "length" with "major". just because its not a "long" course to your standards doesnt mean it cant host a major. i think the bottlenecks due to tight fairways will be a concern, not organization or "length". i played the course in december and its a fine course that will challenge your technical abilities more than how far you can throw it.

It doesn't have t be crazy long but IMO it needs to have multiple Par 4s and a par 5 (either long or technical)

To my knowledge this is not the case with this course and if you look at past PDGA results you will see most 1000 rated players shoot well under 54 on the 18 hoile layout.

There is also only 1 course unlike last year in GA. While having 1 course is fine with DeLa or another 27 hiole course that is VERY HIGH rated among both casuals and Pro players having a major on a decent 18 hole course which adds more holes IMO does not meet the standard for a Major.

Once again I don't think this is the fault of those running the event ( they are doing what they can with what they have) I do think the PDGA should be more active in finding suitible locations for their premier events.

Matt,
I have been reading and reading on this thread for days, your mind works like....
same as mine, fast and furious, almost(like) like a computer.
That brings me to the political way, not the computers way of intreting(sp) expressing the meaning of things. Sometimes these things need to be face to face, email, any way but the way you express yourself sometimes. You have only the world to look at in front of you my friend. Believe it or not, I understand parts of this game that you will in time.
Hang in there, everything will work out. I know US Masters is not up to your standards but...

Anyway hopefully all is going well down in Huntsville in preparation for a real good time.
Still practicing and it is snowing now....

Peace to all,

RonSTL

Matt wants the course set up to challenge the 1000 rated golfers.
Looks like 155 entrants of which 9 are 1000 rated golfers.
Why on earth would the course be set up for them?

Matt wants the course set up to challenge the 1000 rated golfers.
Looks like 155 entrants of which 9 are 1000 rated golfers.
Why on earth would the course be set up for them?


Yea your right........It should be designed for 900 rated players so that they can shoot par and the 1000 rated guys shoot -10........

I think a course should be set up to challenge 1000 rated players while maybe having different tees based on divisions.........ut this is not the case in this course and to me it is a Blue level course meant for the 950 golfer.

I have mentioned before that this course is decent for ADV masters but I don't think the US MPM champ should be decided in Huntsville TX....which BTW has 27 DG holes if you include Shawshank 10 miles from town.

If this was an AM only event you wouldn't even see me posting these concerns.....but it isn't.

Point

I have never seen the course, and I wish I could play at 1000 rating, it is something that will not happen at my age. It is what it is! Like I said you have the world in front of you. One thing is for sure 38 yrs old and younger will not be playing in this tourny(correct me if you want). I hear ya Matt.

Peace and l8r auburn and oregon more important

Matt is never at a loss for words and sharing his opinion. I am reading the words of a future politician/lobby-guy, but whatever the case, he needs to graduate, and move to a better state for disc golf. :D

Matt, we've got your bags packed, and a gas card to get your started. ;)

Although the horse is dead, Matt continues to beat it mercilessly.

Although the horse is dead, Matt continues to beat it mercilessly.

Maybe, since he has such issue with the venue, he is planning on putting the tournament on himself next year at a course, or courses that he would rather see it at?

.... From what I have heard the PDGA only received 2 bids for the event so they also were limited in the venues they had to choose from. The fact they only had two bids is quite sad ......

Perhaps all that compensation in the form of thanks and appreciation from such gracious participants as yourself just isn't enough to want to run tournaments anymore.

Perhaps all that compensation in the form of thanks and appreciation from such gracious participants as yourself just isn't enough to want to run tournaments anymore.


I don't think thanks and appreciation are enough incentive to bid for an event.....and I feel that Majors needs to be held at PRIME locations and you can get those locations if the club sees some benefit from running the event.

Basically there is very little incentive to run a large even (especially Pro) and it would be nice to see the PDGA allocate more funds to the clubs that basically run the event for them. Since this is not the case you end up with fewer bids and have the PDGA choose a course with homemade baskets

Although the horse is dead, Matt continues to beat it mercilessly.

Beating a dead horse, on an event he's too young to play in.....

All the while he is surrounded by college babes. Matt, go pick up some girls. Maybe you could even show them how skilled you are. ;)

Oh, at Disc Golf that is. :D

Maybe, since he has such issue with the venue, he is planning on putting the tournament on himself next year at a course, or courses that he would rather see it at?

Highly unlikely! Once again I do not fault those running the event and if anything I feel they just had no clue what they were getting in to as VERY FEW players in the area have ever attended a large event outside of TX States.

Maybe all Majors aren't the same as it seems here but I would like to see ALL Majors held to a very high standard and it seems that a few aren't as prestigious ( Am Dubs and Masters).

Believe it or not I just want to see "US Champs" crowned on a course/courses which are up to the standard of at least near-championship quality.

The worst thing about this whole thing is that there will be LESS cash to go around with Houston holding an NT and Major so close together and I feel that it will keep both events from being what they could have been had they focused on just one event.

Beating a dead horse, on an event he's too young to play in.....

All the while he is surrounded by college babes. Matt, go pick up some girls. Maybe you could even show them how skilled you are. ;)

Oh, at Disc Golf that is. :D

I wish I was in Nac...but I'm at the Parents' house right now.

Maybe I should talk about this event taking away from States? Would I be allowed to complain since that will effect me......and how TX DG is seen by the "big boys" when they come to another TX NT.

Most of the fundraisers this year have focused on both events and like I just said it is likely both events will suffer due to worker overload and lack of sponsorship $$$ to fund both events.

With all that said ........I am starting to think US Masters will work out better than our NT the week before.

BTW

<--- "Bad Guy"

...

Gentleman......lets bring this back.
It would be better served if the people puTTing on this event would get on here and talk to the positive things about this event.
Take all the clammering to another thread and leave this to info about the event.

The organizers of this event are so busy with making this the biggest, baddest old guy event this year that they don't frequent the board like some of us.

For anyone who hasn't had the PLEASURE of a round at Shawshank, it is a great venue.

Beautiful property, The DuFranes' have built a little bit of heaven, Huntsville Style!

Lots of good times to come........we'll be swing'n.

The organizers of this event are so busy with making this the biggest, baddest old guy event this year that they don't frequent the board like some of us.

For anyone who hasn't had the PLEASURE of a round at Shawshank, it is a great venue.

Beautiful property, The DuFranes' have built a little bit of heaven, Huntsville Style!

Lots of good times to come........we'll be swing'n.

Now that's the kind of post I like to read since I'm traveling from KC (disc golf mecca) to play in this tourney! Thanks!

You won't be disappointed!

Neal, Steve, and everyone else is busting their butts to get the course in shape and make this a memorable event.

OK lets check the list.

1. plane ticket ....... check

2. rental car ......... check

3. hotel............. check

4. CADDY.......... Hey MATT want to caddy for me?????????????

You won't be disappointed!

Neal, Steve, and everyone else is busting their butts to get the course in shape and make this a memorable event.

I cannot wait to have some fun in the warmth. It's in the negs wind chill here with snow on the ground. A 27 hole venue that sounds simply, like a real good time. Is there any pic links to maybe see some of the holes on the course?

Peace and thanks

OK lets check the list.

1. plane ticket ....... check

2. rental car ......... check

3. hotel............. check

4. CADDY.......... Hey MATT want to caddy for me?????????????

Now that is hilarious!!!!

You're not a bad guy Matt, you just don't know when to quit. A little bit out of touch with reality maybe.

I enjoy talking with you at events and even playing with you a couple of times.

It's not the PDGA's responsibilty to "sweeten" the pot for you 1000 rated players.

It's up to the sponsors, TD's, and volunteers that make events "outstanding".

Is that what you are looking for? If so, bashing them incessantly is not the way to go about it.

Get your facts straight before railing on the very people that provide you with an outlet for your talent from which you profit.


What facts do I not have straight? The event is being held right after TX States and I feel that both events will fall short of their potential because they fall so close together.

I never said the PDGA should "sweeten the pot" for 1000 rated players.....not even close....I said they should provide better incentives to those running these types of events so that more bids would be turned in each year. If you give large clubs a reason to want to run a Major you will end up with more bids and better venues.

Basically the PDGA (which has way more money this year than last) should provide the TDs with more than they currently do and until then you will likely see few bids turned in and the possibility that a course like Shawshank would be chosen. Regardless of the shape it is in for the tournament I think it is irresponsible to choose a venue which needed so much work and had yet to host a moderately large event.

I just hope that States will be better than ever although I have my doubts due to the fact it seems most effort is going into this event........which is full of locals......and has no qualification to enter the event......besides passing a rules test which is a joke in itself.

OK lets check the list.

1. plane ticket ....... check

2. rental car ......... check

3. hotel............. check

4. CADDY.......... Hey MATT want to caddy for me?????????????


Pretty sure there is an A-tier the same weekend which I will be attending......but my initial plan was to go out and watch and maybe caddy.

Anyway I have money riding on Vincent so you better at least make top 4.......and Old man Joel better play well too!

Pretty sure there is an A-tier the same weekend which I will be attending......but my initial plan was to go out and watch and maybe caddy.

Matt, if your entry fee for that event was sponsored, would that be incentive enough to zip your lip until these events are history? If so, send me PM.

Matt, if your entry fee for that event was sponsored, would that be incentive enough to zip your lip until these events are history? If so, send me PM.

I can't talk about States?.........there isn't even a thread yet.... lol

Truthfully States is what I am starting to worry more about.....since Climo, Shultz, and others might not show to US Masters.......although I'm sure they will sign up eventually.

Courses and cash will be a bigger issue to the NT field vs the field that will make up US Masters if you ask me.

[...] if you ask me.
Who did that?

I cannot wait to have some fun in the warmth. It's in the negs wind chill here with snow on the ground. A 27 hole venue that sounds simply, like a real good time. Is there any pic links to maybe see some of the holes on the course?

Peace and thanks

There are a few here.
http://www.dgcoursereview.com/media.php?id=2656&mode=media

matt did you say "homemade" baskets? can those be used in an nt event?

I believe these baskets were used at [email protected] QV in 2008, you were there Dan.

I know as one of the co-coordinators of the Texas Swing that the complete swing is being held to high standard based on some of the OLD players / TD's that have had the pleasure to experience plenty of BIG events around the country. I encourage everyone to get involved with the swing. Either by playing (sign up early) or supporting the events. Texas has puTT its best foot forward with coordination involving different areas in the state (which is NOT easy in Texas) to present a Disc Golf experience for everyone. With that said..........be a part of the end of the beginning and let get to the next memory.

Matt claims he shot a (47???!!!) I place this in quotes as there were no witnesses or record of this event... so I will put up $500.00, and video the round before the Major... We can call this a minor event... invite the Kid out here and with a few witnesses who will all caddy and and act as an encouraging gallery, give the Kid a chance to putt up or shut up...all in favor, The Warden. Ten below par for a thousand rated player... Lets see it Matt, Weather is not a factor...pick Your Day WE can call it the "Make My Day Minor"...

Shwing!!!

SENIOR Masters Players Should Register by Jan. 24

Reserved spots at the Tim Selinske US Masters will be shifted to waitlist after January 24 for the following divisions: MPS, MS1, Legend, and Senior Legend. If you want to be guaranteed a spot in the event in these divisions you must register by January 24. On Line Registration: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

Other Divisional deadlines:
� February 11 FPG, FPS, FM1, & FG1
� February 28 Former World & US Masters Champs
� March 7 FPM

MPM, MPG, MM1 and MG1 are currently waitlist only. If you would like to be put on the waitlist contact Neal at ndambra AT comcast DOT net.

Thursday Doubles at US Masters

Doubles at Shawshank will be 2:30 pm on Thursday, April 7. Entry is $40 per team with a limit of 24 teams. Anyone may enter Doubles as long as they have a current PDGA rating. Players do not need to be Masters age or be registered for the singles competition at US Masters to enter Doubles. Payout will go to the top 8 teams out of 24 (or 33%). All entry fees will go to Doubles payout except $5 from players that are not also registered for US Masters (greens fee). Teams must pre-register by contacting Neal Dambra (ndambra AT comcast DOT net).


[EDIT: Currently registered teams are listed in a post later in this thread.]


The following is the format for Doubles at ShawShank:
Mulligans Team Dubs

� 21 Holes:
Using the Sunday final round course configuration.

� Cumulative Team Score:
Play individual scores (play your own disc each shot), keep individual score, add scores together to get final team score per hole/round.

� Mulligans per player:
Players will get the following number of Mulligans based on their PDGA Player Rating as of April 7:
950 or greater = 0
900 to 949 = 1 per hole
899 or less = 2 per hole

� Mulligan rules:


Player may use an allocated Mulligan on any shot including putts.
Player must declare the intention to use a Mulligan immediately after throwing the original shot.
Player declaring a Mulligan re-throws immediately (do not wait for others to throw).
Player must use a different disc than the one they just threw (may not retrieve a disc to use it again for that same shot), including putts.
Any Mulligan throw is in play even if it is worse than the original shot.
For players who have 2 Mulligans per hole, they may not use their second Mulligan from the same lie (max. 1 Mulligan per lie). I.e. you can't save both Mulligans for a putt and take three putts from the same lie.
Mulligans are not cumulative (they do not carry over from hole to hole, use �em or lose �em).
Teams must play using normal singles protocol (the individual player�s disc furthest away from basket throws first).
Cumulative team score for the previous hole determines honors on next tee box. Team may decide per hole which partner tees first.



Play Mulligan�s Team Doubles at US Masters. It�s a good way to see the course and have some fun.

Wow! Age restricted heck yeah!

Matt claims he shot a (47???!!!) I place this in quotes as there were no witnesses or record of this event... so I will put up $500.00, and video the round before the Major... We can call this a minor event... invite the Kid out here and with a few witnesses who will all caddy and and act as an encouraging gallery, give the Kid a chance to putt up or shut up...all in favor, The Warden. Ten below par for a thousand rated player... Lets see it Matt, Weather is not a factor...pick Your Day WE can call it the "Make My Day Minor"...

Umm......I did mention that was the 18 hole layout before any of the "changes".

I have also shot 47 in PDGA events out there that were rated only 1025......meaning Climo should have averaged 46.

I am not doubting the course will be harder.......I just don't know if it will be BETTER.

I believe these baskets were used at [email protected] QV in 2008, you were there Dan.



Yea, they were the ones with the "dead chains".....I don't think they catch well and have had quite a few awkward spits on them.

Basically you can tell they aren't made by a manufacturer.

matt did you say "homemade" baskets? can those be used in an nt event?
Per the Event Coordinator:

One of the beauties of ShawShank is that, being a private course, it is not necessary for the baskets to be permanently sleeved and cemented. So all baskets are portable. HFDS, through the hard work of those of who do positive things with their disc golf energy, has a stock of / or access to 30 Chainstars (or equal quality) baskets. These baskets, which are used all around our area for various events and fundraisers are available to the event in case the PDGA finds a problem with ShawShanks native baskets. In other words, this is a non-issue.

Per the Event Coordinator:

One of the beauties of ShawShank is that, being a private course, it is not necessary for the baskets to be permanently sleeved and cemented. So all baskets are portable. HFDS, through the hard work of those of who do positive things with their disc golf energy, has a stock of / or access to 30 Chainstars (or equal quality) baskets. These baskets, which are used all around our area for various events and fundraisers are available to the event in case the PDGA finds a problem with ShawShanks native baskets. In other words, this is a non-issue.

Non-issue assuming they use the Chainstars......

If they use the current baskets without changing the chains I would consider that an issue (although most old guys don't care)

Whew! Thank goodness for age restricted. A little less serious & a lot more fun. Its all good if everybody throws @ the same baskets. Regardless of manufacturer or catching ability. Moving back some in the thread. I also have great confidence that this event will measure up. Wait until its over then examine performance! Have some Texas pride. Support & promote all Texas tourneys. As an old dude golfer this is big stuff & deserves our best foot forward in every way. So hop on that Texas Swing express or drink the kool-aid or whatever it takes to get positive. In the end our hospitality & good attitude is what will make the difference. Rant is now over-peace

Word.
The course and property are fantastic.
It's not KC but for Texas DG it's beautiful and challenging.
It's a bit of a road trip but then that's all part of the allure. Texas swing - awesome - thanks y'all for making it happen!

the baskets @ quail valley were great, actually everything about quail valley was great. thanks for having us steve and tiffany & neal thanks for all your hard work. looking forward to seeing the course soon. is it open for play on weekends?

"PRIVATE RESIDENCE, MUST CALL FOR RESERVATIONS. Between now and Jan 6, 2011 the number for reservations is: 936-295-1722. The usual number is 281-682-9446."

Dan, it's well worth the road trip to play... It's a fun course. It actually plays pretty fast casually but it's a bit tight during tourneys which can be distracting and slows things down.

Sorry about Pease. sad to see it go.

This tournament is pretty much sold out so the point is practically moot, but after reading through here, some thoughts.

Several Texas Open players played a Birdshot B Tier at The Shawshank last fall. While my thoughts on several holes throughout the weekend questioned the validity of a PDGA Major I had to have the whole picture first. I have described the complex as an incredible escape for some buddies to play some wicked skins together over a weekend. This is a tighter and very technical place to play. That being said, I think the winners will be challenged for all of the shots in their bag plus a dash of weekend luck. I was very happy that the organizers sought all of us out for specific concerns in which they accepted feedback and looked to make adjustments. The property is smallish so there really aren't a bunch of alternative options, but they have made many.

Shawshank is what it is. A private paradise with lovely woods, catfish ponds and a well manicured course that is FUN to play. While there are several head scratching holes present, we all will have to play them and the winners will have played them better than most. The folks traveling from afar will be met with great hospitality and a well organized event.

If a World Class Disc Golf Complex with the most challenging Par 4 and Par 5 holes possible is your crux, this course will surely disappoint. Good thing there are many tournaments this year that fit that bill.

If you are looking for a great experience with aged players from around the country; Shawshank will deliver with a technical course that will demand your full attention while not wearing you out. There is a killer patio and wrap around porch that will provide a great place to reunite with old friends, drink frosties, eat Texas brisket and watch several of the holes.

Where else can you watch thirty ruby throated hummingbirds feeding within inches of your head?

Hummingbirds don't hang out in bad places. :p

Makes sense. Humming birds are sort of the "par 3s" in the avian world... ;)

I, for one, am looking forward to some Texas-style Disc Golf and hospitality as it will be a new experience for me in both cases... and looking forward to meeting my first grandson in Dallas after the tourny... Can't wait to get there and play!

This tournament is pretty much sold out so the point is practically moot, but after reading through here, some thoughts.

Several Texas Open players played a Birdshot B Tier at The Shawshank last fall. While my thoughts on several holes throughout the weekend questioned the validity of a PDGA Major I had to have the whole picture first. I have described the complex as an incredible escape for some buddies to play some wicked skins together over a weekend. This is a tighter and very technical place to play. That being said, I think the winners will be challenged for all of the shots in their bag plus a dash of weekend luck. I was very happy that the organizers sought all of us out for specific concerns in which they accepted feedback and looked to make adjustments. The property is smallish so there really aren't a bunch of alternative options, but they have made many.

Shawshank is what it is. A private paradise with lovely woods, catfish ponds and a well manicured course that is FUN to play. While there are several head scratching holes present, we all will have to play them and the winners will have played them better than most. The folks traveling from afar will be met with great hospitality and a well organized event.

If a World Class Disc Golf Complex with the most challenging Par 4 and Par 5 holes possible is your crux, this course will surely disappoint. Good thing there are many tournaments this year that fit that bill.

If you are looking for a great experience with aged players from around the country; Shawshank will deliver with a technical course that will demand your full attention while not wearing you out. There is a killer patio and wrap around porch that will provide a great place to reunite with old friends, drink frosties, eat Texas brisket and watch several of the holes.

Where else can you watch thirty ruby throated hummingbirds feeding within inches of your head?

Hummingbirds don't hang out in bad places. :p

I hear ya Yeti, it will be good to see some OLD friends, play some golf, make some good memories, and have a real good time. If the world goes around right I will see you <3 months. I cannot wait for some warmer weather!!

Peace out,

RonSTL

ok made the trek yesterday to play this course for the first time. I do have to say it has some pretty cool holes and then 1-2 holes that make you say WTF where is the line. (hole #15) if this hole has a little more of a landing zone then I can see it being just ok but the way it is now it is just a luck placement shot then a straght shot. this hole is needs some more options besides pitching your putter 75 ft and hoping it stops within the 2ft of landing zone to line up your next shot. also if the caution tape and blue hoses all around the course are the OB lines they will need to be straightened out. For the first time playing the course i shot ok. I was even after the front 9. with a drop in duece on 1, missed 20 ft on 6 for the duece and a drop in 3 for the par on 7. also got a birdie on the 550ft downhill hole # 10.. :) I would def say you dont want to play this course blind and has others have said this place will be very very very crowded so keep your head on a swivel or you may get hit by several different directions. we all will have to play the same course so as yeti said hit the lines and have some good luck and you will score well. looking forward to playing the course again in April and THANK YOU to all invovled with getting this tournament set up and heres to hopefully everything running smoothly.

I can't talk about States?.........there isn't even a thread yet.... lol

Truthfully States is what I am starting to worry more about.....since Climo, Shultz, and others might not show to US Masters.......although I'm sure they will sign up eventually.

Courses and cash will be a bigger issue to the NT field vs the field that will make up US Masters if you ask me.

With the Jacksonville open only a short 3 hour drive from Clearwater and payout being as high as it has been the past couple of years... The Champ hopefully will be in Jacksonville instead of Huntsville Texas... No offense Steve... wished I had known this was your weekend when we set up the 2011 Jacksonville Open.

I wish all the competitors well and am sorry I can't make it this year!

As for the 2011 Jax open... it's filling up fast! http://www.rcdga.org/jaxopenregistration.htm

With the Jacksonville open only a short 3 hour drive from Clearwater and payout being as high as it has been the past couple of years... The Champ hopefully will be in Jacksonville instead of Huntsville Texas... No offense Steve... wished I had known this was your weekend when we set up the 2011 Jacksonville Open.

I wish all the competitors well and am sorry I can't make it this year!

As for the 2011 Jax open... it's filling up fast! http://www.rcdga.org/jaxopenregistration.htm


I would hope his sponsor has a bonus for winning a Major which is big enough to bring him down....I mean why not add another Major to the trophy rack?....and after watching his game in FL he would be well suited on this shorter course. LOL

FPG - Pro Womens Grandmasters now closed

Based on past history of the event there were 4 spots reserved for FPG.Those spots have now been filled.

Other Divisional deadlines:
� February 11 (or until reserved spots are filled) FPS, FM1, & FG1
� February 28 (or until reserved spots are filled) Former World & US Masters Champs
� March 7 (or until reserved spots are filled) FPM

FPG, MPM, MPG, MM1 and MG1 are currently waitlist only. If you would like to be put on the waitlist contact Neal at ndambra AT comcast DOT net.

FPG - Pro Womens Grandmasters now closed

Based on past history of the event there were 4 spots reserved for FPG.Those spots have now been filled.

Other Divisional deadlines:
� February 11 (or until reserved spots are filled) FPS, FM1, & FG1
� February 28 (or until reserved spots are filled) Former World & US Masters Champs
� March 7 (or until reserved spots are filled) FPM

FPG, MPM, MPG, MM1 and MG1 are currently waitlist only. If you would like to be put on the waitlist contact Neal at ndambra AT comcast DOT net.



Why close FPG and leave FPS open?.....Why not use the empty FPS spots to allow more FPGs?

Why close FPG and leave FPS open?.....Why not use the empty FPS spots to allow more FPGs?

Most likely, they just wanted to give you something else to fault them with...

Somehow I saw both of those coming.

Most likely, they just wanted to give you something else to fault them with...

Not really faulting them just giving a suggestion. It would bum me out to know my division was capped at 4 during a Major as a "pro" especially if there are more who want to play.

I have no clue what the demand for the division is but I assume there may be more who want to play. While looking at the list it looks like FPM can hold some more as well and it is great to see Juliana coming to play.

Not really faulting them just giving a suggestion. I disagree Matt. You haven't stopped faulting the organizers, or the PDGA for selecting Shawshank since it was announced. I'm particularly impressed with your thinking that the tournament organizers might not have thought about that without your help. It would bum me out to know my division was capped at 4 during a Major as a "pro" especially if there are more who want to play.

But it isn't your division, and it isn't even your tournament.

I have no clue... Dang! Truer words have not been said. So I guess that might be a good note for you to end on...

[Monty Python voice = on] ...And there was much rejoicing... [/voice]

Why close FPG and leave FPS open?.....Why not use the empty FPS spots to allow more FPGs?
You are just doing this to draw more attention to yourself, right? This is a gag you're playing on everyone. You can't really be that dense, can you?

Other Divisional deadlines:
� February 11 (or until reserved spots are filled) FPS, FM1, & FG1

You don't understand how waitlists work? A veteran player like you who likes to tell everyone else how to do things? It's not February 11 yet, is it?

If there are still open FPS spots after the Feb 11 deadline, they are opened up first-come, first-served to those who are on the waitlist. Says so RIGHT ON THE FLYER. So if there is a female grandmaster that would like to play but did not get in soon enough, she'll likely get her opportunity after Feb 11 so long as she puts herself on the waitlist.

If they decided today, January 20, to take away the remaining FPS spots and give them to FPG or some other division, how do they justify it to the senior grandmaster woman who decides she's going to sign up on January 28 (say she's waiting for her next paycheck) and can't because there are no spots left? There are none signed up and the flyer says that four spots will be reserved until Feb 11. I'm sure she'll be happy to know she lost her chance because the all-knowing Matt Hall decided posted deadlines and her division in particular weren't all that important.

You're not old enough to play this tournament.
You don't seem all that interested in volunteering to help out at the tournament.
You have ZERO stake in the outcome of this event one way or the other.
So why the heck are you still sniping on this thread? Just go away.

Not really faulting them just giving a suggestion. great to see

Matt, when someone posts a decision or deadline, then you ask why and give your idea then it's not a suggestion, it's a disagreement. Try this, come up with a helpful new idea, post it, then prepare for healthy debate. A suggestion is something that is put forward for consideration: proposal, proposition.

I've noticed that when someone calls you out on your posts you usually just reiterate your stance again as if we did not understand it. I wonder if any of this will get thru.

The comments I have heard about you Matt make perfect sense now.
LOL

The comments I have heard about you Matt make perfect sense now.
LOL

Glad to see it is good enough for you to make your 5th post. Being from Toronto I bet I know where some of those comments came from......and he doesn't like me much

Also I may not be old enough to play the event (was originally going to volunteer) but that doesn't mean the outcome won't effect me and Disc Golf around our state! I will not be volunteering because the same weekend we have an A-tier in Rockwall which is supposedly an amazing course.

I don't want TX to be the topic of jokes around the tour......that is what this come down to. I also feel that all Majors should be given equal credibility and IMO Masters loses credibility as a Major when hosted on at a limited venue.

Maybe I just need to come to the realization that some Majors are better than others and not worry about it.

. I wonder if any of this will get thru.

Probably not but I appreciate your response...<--- not sarcastic.

Maybe I just need to come to the realization that after nearly a decade of me complaining about everything I possibly can on the HFDS and PDGA DISCussion Boards, no one wants to hear me complain anymore...and not worry about it.

^ fixed that for you. :D

^ fixed that for you. :D

Read that statement you "fixed" and tell me what you think. Should all majors be treated as equals or should some be treated as better than the others?

I am thinking of USWDGC and Masters in particular. Luckily I know Vinnie is committed to promoting the sport among women and has run an amazing event for almost 5 years dedicated to just ladies.

I want to see these events succeed so that we can use them to promote our sport and bring in new players. It seems the PDGA adds a new Major ever so often and this may be limiting the ability to focus on a few key events.

I think the sport would be better off with 4-6 big events and no NT.....

Read that statement you "fixed" and tell me what you think. Should all majors be treated as equals or should some be treated as better than the others?

I am thinking of USWDGC and Masters in particular. Luckily I know Vinnie is committed to promoting the sport among women and has run an amazing event for almost 5 years dedicated to just ladies.

I want to see these events succeed so that we can use them to promote our sport and bring in new players. It seems the PDGA adds a new Major ever so often and this may be limiting the ability to focus on a few key events.

I think the sport would be better off with 4-6 big events and no NT.....
You want things to change? First, stop posting on the forums. Second, get off your butt and DO SOMETHING. Volunteer at an event, any event. Run for state coordinator. Run for BOD. Stop talking and start acting.

If you've got so many bright ideas, put them in action yourself instead of constantly throwing them out there for "someone else" to run with. Otherwise, you're little more than a troll on this forum.

You want things to change? First, stop posting on the forums. Second, get off your butt and DO SOMETHING. Volunteer at an event, any event. Run for state coordinator. Run for BOD. Stop talking and start acting.

If you've got so many bright ideas, put them in action yourself instead of constantly throwing them out there for "someone else" to run with. Otherwise, you're little more than a troll on this forum.

I'll get back with you when Disc Golf becomes the most important thing in life. Until then I will focus on school and argue with the 22 people who post on this board......or as Ware says "bored"

Btw most, or all, of those are something I may do in the next few years.

I'm a little disturbed by all this, last year was my first tim selinskes masters, I played am, this year Im playing pro gm, so I go start looking at the info, and its sold out already.

I did a little more research, I guess last year they used 3 courses and this year they are only using two, I guess that might have something to do with it

I did a little more research, I guess last year they used 3 courses and this year they are only using two, I guess that might have something to do with it

Before Matt can get involved... Last year there were 163 players, this year the field is capped at 186...I don't see your point.

Registration has been open for over a month now and big and I mean BIG announcements all over the PDGA board and in newsletters announcing registration deadlines along with what a division would be capped at have been said all along. Get on the wait list.

I did a little more research, I guess last year they used 3 courses and this year they are only using two, I guess that might have something to do with it

Actually this year's event uses just one course which i believe will be extended to 24 holes.

how many rounds do we play

how many rounds do we play

1 each day Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

per the flyer we play 27 friday 27 saturday and 21 sunday

how many rounds do we playper the flyer we play 27 friday 27 saturday and 21 sunday

We are using one course on tee times, one round per day 27-27-21 (Legends 23-23-21 approved by PDGA). We encourage all players to review the information and links on Post #1 of this thread where basic information is available. If you have a specific question that is not answered on those resources it is best to email Neal at ndambra AT comcast DOT net for a quick and accurate response.

This will be the largest US Masters field ever assembled... 184 players (maybe 188). We, and the PDGA, understood that our field will be made up of ~85% Texans. Please note that Texas is similar in size to the combined areas of Georgia, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and parts of several other adjoining states. And probably 85% of last years Tim Selinske US Masters participants came from that region. Participation is more about distance than borders and will probably be the same next year, wherever it is held.
(http://www.pdga.com/us-masters-disc-golf-championship)

it seems to me half the field last year came from calif, thats one of the things I liked most about the tourney, with only one course I feel your losing business

This tournament, like all things regarding disc golf, is a growing and evolving event, obviously, the challenges and lessons learned from ovecoming and resolving the issues raised by competent observers of events like these is why we all participate in them and enjoy the game so much. We honor the memory and dedication of people like Tim and Innove disc golf, to whom this tournament pays tribute to. The fact that Tim wanted the event to travel around the country shows his insight to the marketing power behind the prestige such an event carries and the impact it can have on local communities. Sure, there are venues much more suited to hosting a Major event out there, but for the town of huntsville, this is a Major event for people outside the relm of disc golf, and it's in stoking those fires of curiosity and interest of this sport that represents the future and growth of disc golf, we hope that the next host city and club has as much fun and celebrity in preparing themselves for the 2012 Selenski Cup as we have in preparing for this one, thank you all for signing on so quickly and ernestly, I look forward to hosting your incarceration, Sincerly, Steve DuFrane The Warden at Shashank.

it seems to me half the field last year came from calif, thats one of the things I liked most about the tourney, with only one course I feel your losing business

Oh well and not disen anything, let the TX boys have there chance this year. Maybe next year it will be the NC/Ohio boys. Still you have to beat the non state boys. We do not drive/fly X miles to not have fun! The game is on and I do not care where you are from. It only means to me, is that I will get to meet more gentleman/competitors(sp). Isnt this what it is about. I love to see OLD friends!!!
Also have a REAL GOOD TIME.

Peace to all MASTERS

Thursday Doubles Teams Update

Teams must pre-register by contacting Neal Dambra (ndambra AT comcast DOT net).

There are the 23 teams registered as of Jan. 24.

[EDIT: Currently registered teams are listed in a post later in this thread.]

See post #123 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1446856&postcount=123) for more details, including format.

This tournament, like all things regarding disc golf, is a growing and evolving event, obviously, the challenges and lessons learned from ovecoming and resolving the issues raised by competent observers of events like these is why we all participate in them and enjoy the game so much. We honor the memory and dedication of people like Tim and Innove disc golf, to whom this tournament pays tribute to. The fact that Tim wanted the event to travel around the country shows his insight to the marketing power behind the prestige such an event carries and the impact it can have on local communities. Sure, there are venues much more suited to hosting a Major event out there, but for the town of huntsville, this is a Major event for people outside the relm of disc golf, and it's in stoking those fires of curiosity and interest of this sport that represents the future and growth of disc golf, we hope that the next host city and club has as much fun and celebrity in preparing themselves for the 2012 Selenski Cup as we have in preparing for this one, thank you all for signing on so quickly and ernestly, I look forward to hosting your incarceration, Sincerly, Steve DuFrane The Warden at Shashank.

Well stated my friend!

Steve, It will be an honour and privelge to be at the World Masters this year. It is 15 years since my last visit to you all to play DG in New England and a trip to the South suits me fine after this hellish British Winter. Looking forward to Texas State too and for the same reasons - after celebrating 30 years of DG/Ultimate last year I get to meet up with so many of my 'old' playing opponents. Realy looking forward to a month of reunions and fun - and some serious competition!

Charlie Mead
#1980

The Tournament Within the Tournament

Vibram Qualifying



The Tim Selinske US Masters is a Vibram Open Qualifier (VOQ). Two of our players will qualify to play in the 2011 Vibram Open, the crowning PDGA NT Event. Tim Selinske US Masters is the only age protected event on the VOQ schedule. So there will be some Masters at Vibram! While most of the players who opted in for the VOQ competition hope to qualify for the Vibram Open, some are pleased to be donating their $10 to the VOQ qualifiers (all collected $$ goes towards our two qualifiers VO entry fees and expenses). Whatever your motivation, consider opting in for the Vibram Open. Note, no currently VO invited/eligible player may opt in. Here, in no particular order, are the current players who VOQ opted-in so far at Tim Selinske US Masters:

Kevin Couch
Alex Hughes
Marcus Erickson
Greg Cox
Neal Dambra
Pete Johnson
Charles Chapman
Greg Hosfeld
Ken Sheppard
W. Kyle Power
Robbie Schroeder
Tony Pugh
Michael Strange
Gary Marotz
Greg Roberts
Patrick Brown
Dennie Ortega
Michael Deman
Barrett White
Will Cralle

If you would like to VOQ opt-in please contact Neal Dambra at: ndambra AT comcast DOT net.

For more information about VOQ click here:
http://www.pixsvr.com/pics/pdgasignup/2011/Tim%20Selinske%20United%20States%20Masters%20Champ ionship%2011%20Vibram%20FLYER.pdf

To see the new Vibram Open website click here:
http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/

Thursday Doubles Teams Update

[EDIT: added more spots see post #174 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1447910&postcount=174)]

See post #123 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1446856&postcount=123) for more details, including format.

This tournament, like all things regarding disc golf, is a growing and evolving event, obviously, the challenges and lessons learned from ovecoming and resolving the issues raised by competent observers of events like these is why we all participate in them and enjoy the game so much. We honor the memory and dedication of people like Tim and Innove disc golf, to whom this tournament pays tribute to. The fact that Tim wanted the event to travel around the country shows his insight to the marketing power behind the prestige such an event carries and the impact it can have on local communities. Sure, there are venues much more suited to hosting a Major event out there, but for the town of huntsville, this is a Major event for people outside the relm of disc golf, and it's in stoking those fires of curiosity and interest of this sport that represents the future and growth of disc golf, we hope that the next host city and club has as much fun and celebrity in preparing themselves for the 2012 Selenski Cup as we have in preparing for this one, thank you all for signing on so quickly and ernestly, I look forward to hosting your incarceration, Sincerly, Steve DuFrane The Warden at Shashank.

It occurs to me that many of the out-of-town players coming to this year's US Masters tourney might not know some of the "insider" knowledge about this place.

Huntsville Texas has one of Texas' largest prison systems at it. It's pretty big even by Texas standards.

The Dufrane's ShawShank Course is located outside of Huntsville. And Steve, being the natural-born practical jokester and punster that he is, has named almost every hole on the course with some kind of prison-theme in mind. Hole #7 for example, plays to a basket 598 feet with an OB road on one side and a pond, and a long row of trees on the left, it is named "The Green Mile." All are aptly named and I leave it to you to conjure up what might lie in store for you on such classics as: "Conjugal Visit" and "Cavity Search." ;-)

I wouldn't fear that Texans are going to have an advantage on this course because not many have played it outside of a handful of North Houston locals. That will probably change after US Masters this year.

This is what I think you should expect at ShawShank: A very fun course on a great piece of private real-estate. The course will demand a very wide variety of shot types. Lots of obstacles on most every hole, usually trees but with 3 different ponds and judicious use of OB fence lines thrown in for variety. Steve's family is warm and friendly and seem to welcome us disc golfers invading their lovely, quiet corner of East Texas.

I predict that everyone attending is going to have a good time playing and won't be disappointed. I look forward to meeting all of you at some point in time during the weekend.

BTW - If there are any poker players attendinig, you might want to shoot me a PM or something and talk about it.

Women Masters Players (Except FPM) Should Register by Feb. 11

Reserved spots at the Tim Selinske US Masters will be shifted to waitlist after February 11 for the following divisions: FPS, FM1, & FG1. If you want to be guaranteed a spot in the event in these divisions you must register by February 11. On Line Registration: http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1291410089

Other Divisional deadlines:
� Feb 28 - Former World & US Masters Champs
� Mar 7 - FPM

Closed: FPG, MPS, MS1, MPL/E, MPM, MPG, MM1 and MG1 are currently waitlist only. If you would like to be put on the waitlist contact Neal at ndambra AT comcast DOT net.

Yo Charlie, it will be fantastic seeing you again after all these years. We're hoping for great weather during your visit. Please come on by & we'll do are best to make you feel right at home w/ some deep fried bread and "Fruit Juice OR cereal" for breakfast & warm beer with dinner!
Alex Hughes / Cdn Nat'l Ultimate Team - 84, 86, 88


Steve, It will be an honour and privelge to be at the World Masters this year. It is 15 years since my last visit to you all to play DG in New England and a trip to the South suits me fine after this hellish British Winter. Looking forward to Texas State too and for the same reasons - after celebrating 30 years of DG/Ultimate last year I get to meet up with so many of my 'old' playing opponents. Realy looking forward to a month of reunions and fun - and some serious competition!

Charlie Mead
#1980

Thursday Doubles Teams Update

6 more spots added!

Due to popular demand we're opening an additional six team spots. If you would like to be added to the list please contact Neal at: ndambra AT comcast DOT net.

Here are the teams registered as of March 1 (with present PDGA Player Ratings):

One Division � Normal Individual Scoring - Cumulative Team Score
Mulligans Per Hole (MPH)

MPH 0 & 0
Gregg Hosfeld # 1602 ( 999) / (1002) #17661 Tim Keith
Joel Kelly # 9152 (1002) / ( 990) # 4980 Ken Shepperd
Mitch McClellan # 3566 ( 999) / ( 976) #13827 Joe Rotan
Vinnie Miller # 5521 (1001) / ( 951) #14300 Dennie Ortega
Chris Hutchinson #18151 ( 979) / ( 954) # 6556 Scott Wilkinson
Simon Newman #32585 ( 967) / ( 953) #32087 Robert Martinek
Chris Vandagriff #39250 ( 965) / ( 953) #35679 Tim McCall
Skeeter Harrison #15970 ( 955) / ( 952) # 2461 Glenn Hale
Dixon Jowers #17583 (1008) / ( 963) #33934 Larry Cooper

MPH 0 & 1
Jeffrey Perrigo #34053 ( 946) / ( 950) #20315 Mark McCoin
Jay Yeti Reading #15864 (1011) / ( 913) #13317 Steve Dufrane
Alex Hughes # 5923 ( 975) / ( 935) #12161 Daniel Fisler
Jerry L Perez Sr # 9957 ( 966) / ( 940) #12970 Chris Ware
Anthony Pugh #28058 ( 960) / ( 945) #19784 Mike Harrell
Neal Dambra # 200 ( 971) / ( 932) # 1980 Charlie Mead
David Wise #21242 ( 956) / ( 931) #11033 Anthony Walker
Keith Johnson #10444 ( 956) / ( 932) #34409 Wayne Dillen

MPH 0 & 2
John Trapp #28350 ( 956) / ( 895) #38610 Joseph Cavanaugh

MPH 1 & 1
Dave Nez Nesbitt #13707 ( 948) / ( 932) #34690 Eric Jubin
John Evans #44901 ( 944) / ( 931) #21704 Mike Anderson
Marcus Erickson #32084 ( 935) / ( 924) #32546 Steve Payne
Bart Taylor #22435 ( 936) / ( 905) #36702 Cory Cardenas
William Thomason #38720 ( 918) / ( 914) #35595 Justin Ellsworth
Desiree Reading #15863 ( 948) / ( 938) # 7438 Juliana Korver

MPH 1 & 2
Jim Geurin #30986 ( 909) / ( 883) #26709 Michael Treat
Tom Johnson #23411 ( 927) / ( 847) #43177 Gary Marotz
Ron Klein # 6950 ( 917) / ( 894) #25811 Neal Martinez

MPH 2 & 2
Michael Brockmyre #21191 ( 893) / ( 841) #31520 Billy Gilbert
Alan Byrd #34213 ( 888) / ( 843) #27572 Ronald Byrd
Patrick Brogdon #34363 ( 869) / ( 851) #34364 Tiffany Brogdon
0 spots remaining.

See post #123 (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=1446856&postcount=123) for more details, including format.

hope we can finish with daylight since some teams will be throwing 2 extra shots per hole per player

Thursday Doubles Teams Update

6 more spots added!

Due to popular demand we're opening an additional six team spots. If you would like to be added to the list please contact Neal at: ndambra AT comcast DOT net.


Does this mean that you will be closing the course for practice that afternoon?

Does this mean that you will be closing the course for practice that afternoon?
The course will be open and we will be kindly asking all practicing players to allow doubles teams to play through as much as possible. Doubles teams will be clearly marked with bright tape on their golf bags and will be occupying only 15 of the available 27 holes any one time. Note doubles will not be held on the adjoining property where the four H.F.D.S long holes are, and where also is located the event driving range. All doubles teams will be contacted and will be asked to confirm that they understand the potential �distracting� conditions of this unsanctioned match and will be given the opportunity to withdraw from doubles if they choose. In general, since we are all working with one course this year, we hope the spirit of cooperation that is come to be expected amongst Masters aged players prevails in the Doubles and all other aspects of the 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters.

In general, since we are all working with one course this year, we hope the spirit of cooperation that is come to be expected amongst Masters aged players prevails in the Doubles and all other aspects of the 2011 Tim Selinske US Masters.


I think that there will be enough shade to share out there.:D :D

Its all good. Just to be there and playing will out weigh any inconvenience of a distraction or two.

Eric, this is a very interesting concept for a doubles format.

It looks to double punch the 950 and above rated teams. First by choosing to go with a totaling of both players scores format, instead of the traditional best disc/shot format. Then by giving a >950 player the option for 21 mulligans/1 per hole. This is a very strong handicap system against 950+

It looks like you have created a system for you(932) to win... This is the US Masters, I would hope you would respect the game and keep a traditional format...

I could be looking at this wrong. If you don't mind can u please explain the philosophy behind this gimmick format.

Jim,

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to discuss the unsanctioned Pro-Am Doubles at Tim Selinske US Masters. I’m sorry you decided not to participate in this first time event, based on the format. First, I would like to make it clear that the format was chosen by me, and not Eric Jubin. Eric simply supplied, at my request, a few different possible formats. Between the formats Eric suggested and ones suggested by other staff, I decided to go with Eric’s Mullies Per Hole (MPH) idea. My rationale is below.

At this time, though, I would like to take an opportunity the thank and congratulate Eric Jubin for taking on the role of volunteer IT Director for HFDS at the request of Richard Fason, Esq., HFDS President. Over the last three years Eric’s contributions to the Houston area disc golf community have been immeasurable. Because of Eric, and his attention to detail, we are all able to get a lot more done than we would have without him. Eric’s work on rules, measurements, and quality control have hugely benefited HFDS, our branch organizers, our various TD’s, and every player in our area including you and me. I am pleased Eric is getting a chance to play in the Doubles at US Masters along with his teammate for the event, Dave “Nez” Nesbitt, President of the PDGA Board of Directors.

So here was the assignment:
— We want something like the PGA (pro ball golf) does on Wednesday before their events: An opportunity for staff, sponsors, Ams and other interested parties to mix it up a little with the pros in a quasi competitive atmosphere.
— We would like all participants to be on a relatively equal playing field; in other words, have a chance to win if they play well.
— It would be nice to avoid having to use SSA’s or require a bunch of calculating to be done at the end of the round. Let the cards do the talkin’.
—Let’s try to avoid having to automatically give guaranteed strokes to lower rated teams. Make them earn those strokes.
—Create a system where each participant must be a PDGA member with a current rating.

I believe Mullies Per Hole (MPH) fits those requirements. Here is why I think it will be fair and successful:

— The mulligans are not guaranteed strokes. Just because you choose to use a mulligan does not mean you will save a stroke or even improve your other lie. A mully throw could actually be worse than the original and the thrower would be stuck with it.
— MPH introduces a new set of strategies into the game for those with mulligans, while forcing the high rated teams to focus their competitive juices knowing anyone in the field of 30 teams could be in the race.
— Because it is cumulative team score (each team member’s individual score added together), being competitive will come down to an individual player not blowing up on a hole or two. Since it is unlikely that the top rated teams will blow up, the lower rated players now have the opportunity to make up for some of their mistakes. Make too many mistakes on a single hole and not even the mullies can help you. And even with a mully the player still has to execute a disc golf play to make up for that mistake...no one is just given strokes for showing up.
— We estimate a player 900-950 will use 10 of his/her possible 21 mullies. Of those ten, they will gain about 6 strokes. That seems like a reasonable handicap going against teams rated ~2000.
— MPH also gives some players in the field more effective "practice time" on the course; and practice is one of the reasons many of the US Masters entered participants are playing doubles.

With all that said, I admit it’s an experiment and we appreciate our fellow doubles disc golfers pushing the envelope with us. The dubs field is full at 30 teams and 10 teams will cash at this unsanctioned match. I wouldn’t bet the house that a team made of two sub 900 players is going to win just because they get 2 mullies per hole. But they could. That’s what makes it fun and interesting. Anyway, if the Masters aged players are not wiling to experiment a little for the possible betterment of the sport, who will? MPH, with some refinement, could be the standard someday at all large dg events for pre-event pro-am doubles. Hope you can make it out Thursday and we will talk about how it went over a cold Southern Star brew.

Later,
Neal

i agree this format brings into play a new set of strategies, like pick a partner with a lower rating so he (and you) can capitalize on mully's. i don't like to gripe, but couldn't you have picked a different event to experiment? i'll play this thing with a smile as i have a true passion for the game. i love to compete, but to be honest , my mind is racing with all kinds of possibilities where if my teammate had mully's we could use them to an unfair advantage. i'll just stick to the true strategy of the game,,,find the line, do your best to hit it, and do it again. i respect you and eric and appreciate what you have done for the sport, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. see ya' at the park.

Neal,

Thank you for your response and philosophy behind this experimental format.
As a local I was stoked about being able to play against some of the top Masters.
I was also looking forward to seeing the doubles course record being challenged.

If sports were FAIR or EQUAL for everyone, they would all end up in a tie.
I am pretty sure this will be a fun event for people rated under 950 to 900. Now teams over 950 will be punished and anybody below 900 will be throwing a lot of shots.

If things don't change, my side action will be on Yeti(1011) and Course designer aka. Texas sidewinder(913)

Later

Jim

got another idea , how bout giving 950 -999 rated players 5 mully's per round?

got another idea , how bout giving 950 -999 rated players 5 mully's per round?



Are you saying 5 mully for 21 holes??? If so great idea and plenty of time to notify everyone of the possible change.

Looks like this is going to be a good discussion. All I want, is it not to ice down an 1 inch or more, then snow 8-10 inches in the next 2 days. US Masters is gonna be fun.

BTW is anybody flying into Hobby 7ish Wed night and flying out Monday AM staying at the host?

I would sure like to split a car.

I have no issue doing this myself but...

Peace,

RonSTL

what side action?...

what side action?...

That the losers take a conjugal visit in the pond.:D :D

what side action?...

Heh-heh-heh....

The guy had made a total of 4 posts in his entire PDGA history of 10+ years, and the mention of a little side-action wakes him up to make his 5th post ever! Ha-ha!!!

Way to go Steve! "I'll take some of that action too!" my money's with Jim Kelly on this one...the Steve and Yeti team will take it down!

if you are rated 999 there is a reason you DONT get strokes.!!! suck it up

what side action?...

did i hear side action? Im in.

I suggest that everyone receive at minimum, a single mulligan. It's hard to choose when to use one mulligan. And since nobody is perfect, everyone should receive a single mulligan at minimum.... it reminds me of the Persian carpet crafters....

quoted from the internets....
Surprisingly, a fine Persian carpet will almost always include intentional imperfections. In fact, there's an old Persian proverb that says, "A Persian carpet is Perfectly Imperfect, and Precisely Imprecise". This notion of intentionally including slight and minor irregularities is derived from the religious belief that God is the only perfect being and that attempting absolute perfection would be claiming the position of the Almighty.

Everybody can use a single bailout. There is no perfect in this sport. Luck -good and bad -happens to everyone.

That said, I am looking forward to it.

What happens if you are not current with your membership at the time of the tourney?

Will you be able to get current at the tourney?

What I am trying to wrap my head around is why there is an all or none approach to the mulligans. A 949 guy gets, a possible, 21 strokes while a 951 guy gets none?!?!? I would imagine that there would be a sliding scale of some sort.

What happens if you are not current with your membership at the time of the tourney?

Will you be able to get current at the tourney?


you also have to take the rules exam prior to playing in this event.

What I am trying to wrap my head around is why there is an all or none approach to the mulligans. A 949 guy gets, a possible, 21 strokes while a 951 guy gets none?!?!? I would imagine that there would be a sliding scale of some sort.


there is it slides form 900-949 :eek: will we see you out there for dubs dixon?

I thinks 21 mulligans is way to much, there are alot of 900 to 949 rated players who play way above there rating. Plus your saying that 1 point between 949 & 950 makes you that much better that you don't need a mulligan? I think you need to rethink this whole thing.

TK

too late to re-think it now.. people have singed up under the impression of what has been being communicated for WEEKS on this thread. if they play way above their rating wouldn't their rating be higher?

I thinks 21 mulligans is way to much, there are alot of 900 to 949 rated players who play way above there rating. Plus your saying that 1 point between 949 & 950 makes you that much better that you don't need a mulligan? I think you need to rethink this whole thing.

TK i thought i had reached a point where i was ok just keeping my mouth shut and playin' this thing,but...., i will say again , handicap or crippling? all i ask is that you take an honest look at this format and take into consideration the points (or opinions) stated in this and the local threads.

too late to re-think it now.. people have singed up under the impression of what has been being communicated for WEEKS on this thread. if they play way above their rating wouldn't their rating be higher?

a bad idea is only that, a bad idea, until you follow through with it.

everyone who has signed up knew what the format was before signing up.. bad idea or not.. hopefully masters TD's will let us know what their final decision is so folks can either play or get their $$ back

Thanks for reading and commenting on the first draft of the proposed Doubles Format. We appreciate the input and will be reviewing your comments and post a revision to the Doubles Format at halftime of the Super Bowl.

Remember, our goals are the same. To try and have a pre-event doubles match where all participants including pros, ams, locals, staff, and TDs, can play in the same competition on a relatively even playing field.

you also have to take the rules exam prior to playing in this event.

Let me change my question a little.

What is going to happen when people who are not current show up and expect to play?

Let me change my question a little.

What is going to happen when people who are not current show up and expect to play?

Hmmmm, too bad, so sad - Wait list is open... NEXT!

Why wouldn't you be prepared before committing to the expense of signing up, making travel and accommodation plans? It's not on the event coordinators to help you qualify, they just need to enforce the rules put in place by the governing body.

Let me change my question a little.

What is going to happen when people who are not current show up and expect to play?

you get a great weekend of watching disc golf.:-)

This is gonna be great nobodys talkin up the night golf yet, the front nine is a blast at night, also, has everybody registered for hotels yet? a large block of the rooms is already spoken for, we made arrangements for a group rate T THE HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS for $90 per night, in door lobby, pool, hot tub, breakfast, best western was $70 per night, breakfast, etc, but outside doors to each room, both locations very centrally located, very new, nice clean rooms, great rates! phone numbers for reservations, Express is 936-295-4300, Best western, 936-295-9000, any other questions about accomodations, area locales, travel etc, call me at 281-682-9446, thanks, DuFrane.

For anyone that isn't attending the night golf, we're going to be running a poker game at the lakehouse we're staying at. We're going to be East of ShawShank on Lake Livingston.

The plan is to run a $60 buy-in tournament...as folks bust out, there will likely be a cash game running on the side.

If you're interested, send me a PM or e-mail. LKruse at swbell dot net.

Larry

do lesser rated poker players get mulligans

nope but they do get 1 extra ace for every other hand

do lesser rated poker players get mulligans

<--- 1000 rated poker player.

You guyz should make the teams pay for each mulligan. You know, something like $1 per mully. Good way to raise funds for the tourney.

Everyone complaining about the doubles format needs to remember they are upset about a PRE-TOURNAMENT event.

Doubles has always been considered a warm-up/have fun event...

The TD explained his intent and I believe this format fits his mission statement perfectly.

Wow you Texas players complain a lot..I wouldn't want to hear you after all the Okies come down and sweep these divisions...

"Wow you Texas players complain a lot..I wouldn't want to hear you after all the Okies come down and sweep these divisions... "

now that is funny since the one complaining is from TULSA and the other alabama.. how much you betting on an all oklaHOMO sweep??<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

LeftyGod is just stirring the pot, he has fun with it.

I am very confident in a sweep, we have salty master players...

And just look at our track record down there...just saying.

there is more than just a masters division ;) pot stirring i am 1000 rated. and this coming from an 880 rated player !!!!

just saying

good luck at the memorial

This is getting very Salty. I am liking the smack!!! Keep it coming. 3 inches of ice on my homie course and played 10 flat holes today. Ice is not fun...
Cannot wait to see what the home boys bring. One thing for sure it will be fun. I have been already briefed on the homies. To me it is whom is the luckiest, and can throw straight for 3 rounds.

Pretty much the end of story.
I cannot wait for warmer WEATHER. I know the the ice/snowbound boys also cannot wait.

Peace,
RonSTL

Gotta agree with southpaw, never heard so much whining from "Masters" age players for an event that is supposed to be fun and one that should be used by a thinking man to gain some insight as to different ways to approach a hole by watching other players play them with you. We've all played formats over time that we may not have cared for, but played them anyway if we wanted to play....
Bottom line, don't like the format? Keep your greenbacks and move on, let the people who are interested play and be the ones who had fun because they wanted to....

it's not the format that's gonna make some people cry in frustration, but the course itself, not terribly hard but maddenly frustrating cause you know you can make that shot...read the reviews, bring your hole bag, practice those of you who can, the course will be closed for the month of march till the week before the tournament to get it as eyepopping groomed as we can, we got somebody coming from estonia? awsome!

Official statement from the TD:
As in many other major events the 2-meter rule will be in effect at Shawshank.

Unofficial statement from the TD's husband:
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I don't remember the last Major in the U.S. that the 2-meter rule WAS in effect except hole 10 on Highbridge Gold in 2007.

good luck at the memorial


Thank you sir, since I am a lefty I can't wait to play Fountain Hill again...

Official statement from the TD:
As in many other major events the 2-meter rule will be in effect at Shawshank.

Unofficial statement from the TD's husband:
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I don't remember the last Major in the U.S. that the 2-meter rule WAS in effect except hole 10 on Highbridge Gold in 2007.

He didn't Capitalise the "m" in "major". i think he meant 3rd Coast events. ;)

Doubles Format Revision

MPR = Mulligans Per Round
MPH = Mulligans Per Hole

1000 and above = 1 MPR
975-999 = 2 MPR
966-974 = 3 MPR
950-965 = 4 MPR
----------------------
900-949 = 1 MPH
899 & less = 2 MPH

Still all one division. General Mulligan rules apply as per previous post #123.
See post #123 for more details.

Scorecards will be personalized to provide Mulligan info for each player for easy score keeping.

This is definately an improvement however, the big issue I still see is the 21 mulligans for those below 950. There is no strategy involved with that number. There is no thought process. There is no weighing the options and making a tough choice. Give them 10-12. It is still a great advantage, it will "level" the playing field, they still might not use all of them but it would make the player have to engage with the course in a way that 21 mulligans wouldn't.

As it stands now, I have one mulligan (and i'm fine with that, btw), but I know that I have to be real smart about when I choose to use it. It wouldn't be wise to just re-tee on the first hole to try to replace a 40ft putt with a 20ft one.

Challenge the person below 950 to think like a golfer and manage the course. I think this serves the purpose of a competitive doubles round better.

remember if you dont like the format DONT PLAY !!!!

Is there no room for suggestion?

Why is everyone so sensitive? There is quite a different tone between suggestions for improvement and criticism.

What makes a great tournament is when everything comes together and all of the parts are individually excellent. Sure, this doubles challenge is an ancillary event but making it a thing that all participants are equally excited about makes it better than if a bunch of people are in disagreement or purposefully not playing.

This also gives the TD's opportunity to publically show that they listen to suggestions are make changes for the better. This makes the TD's look good, which they do.

agree and TD has already made changes so yes they listen..there is a reason why someone is rated below 950 and its not usually strategy ;) its putting. hence the mulligans..

Is there no room for suggestion?

Why is everyone so sensitive? There is quite a different tone between suggestions for improvement and criticism.

What makes a great tournament is when everything comes together and all of the parts are individually excellent. Sure, this doubles challenge is an ancillary event but making it a thing that all participants are equally excited about makes it better than if a bunch of people are in disagreement or purposefully not playing.

This also gives the TD's opportunity to publically show that they listen to suggestions are make changes for the better. This makes the TD's look good, which they do.

Dixon - the appropriate time to make suggestions is during the planning phase, not after it's been planned and published. While I'm sure that your suggestions are valued, asking/expecting the TDs to change the format after it has been published seems counter-productive. Get involved for the next one in time to be involved in the planning rather than taking pot-shots at the folks who did take the time to plan something.

I'm surprised to see all of these complaints [suggestions] about the ancillary doubles event format. I'd suggest that folks try it as it has been laid out already and then provide feedback afterward. Making the assumption that it creates an unfair advantage for lower rated players seems like it might be unfounded before it's been tried. Gosh folks...try to keep in mind that it is just the un-sanctioned, informal doubles round before the real Tim Selinski US Masters event.

I'm sure that most of us that are actually registered in the main event are looking forward to it. We're gonna have a good time in Huntsville!

Neal has previously posted that he will take these suggestions into account and the team will discuss the pros and cons. You are the one that has put a time limit on when suggestions are acceptable. Btw, this is the "PDGA Discussion Board", where disc golfers DISCUSS whatever topic is suggested.

I have been very careful in my wording to not single any one out or to speak negatively about the planners. Give me one example where I took a "pot-shot" at any of the organizers. If not, please don't make negative statements about how I am conducting myself.

And it is not "just the un-sanctioned, informal doubles round before the real Tim Selinski US Masters event." It is the last opportunity for the competitors to play the course. It is an opportunity to win money. It is a chance to compete against some of the best players in the history of disc golf. If you see it as just another doubles round, that is fine. I think it is much more than that.

Thanks for reading and commenting on the first draft of the proposed Doubles Format. We appreciate the input and will be reviewing your comments and post a revision to the Doubles Format at halftime of the Super Bowl.

Remember, our goals are the same. To try and have a pre-event doubles match where all participants including pros, ams, locals, staff, and TDs, can play in the same competition on a relatively even playing field.


super bowl is over.... now back to our regularly scheduled Masters Cup chatter:eek:

Negatives are not the only unknown. Positives are too!

I think it is much more than that.


Agreed! The fact the event is a Major makes doubles seem more important than Friday doubles before a common C-tier.

I don't want to sound biased or anything but I kinda like this format... still waitin for that side action! Dixon, I'll use just my putter and a Roc...

I'm sure you would love some side action, steve. I think your situation shows a little bit of the inequity. I wouldn't be comfortable giving you more than 5 strokes on 21 at Shawshank, but as it stands now you get, probably, 20.

Good luck on the side action. If anybody wants to bet you, tell them I'll take the same bet for you.

night golf is looking better all the time...

I don't want to sound biased or anything but I kinda like this format... still waitin for that side action! Dixon, I'll use just my putter and a Roc...

Lol, who are you kidding Steve. That is how you play most of the time.

Lol, who are you kidding Steve. That is how you play most of the time. do you own any other discs steve?

why, yes as a matter of fact I do... two whole ponds full...

This thread seems really tame now! Is everyone all complained out?

Tiffany - I was checking to see if I have a flight out of Houston Hobby at 7pm on Sunday if that is late enough to get there after our last round on Sunday to the airport by 6pm?
Cris

This thread seems really tame now! Is everyone all complained out?

About time to release details of the putting contest.

About time to release details of the putting contest.

uh oh---Here we go again!

houston hobby is about a an hour and a half drive with good traffic from huntsville, you would be pushing your luck to try and get a flight any earlier than 9 pm from hobby after the tournament on sunday. while an ealier flight is possible you would be stressing and rushing things to get there. book a flight for as late as you can stand, or leave the following morning. this is going to be a relaxed paced event for all involved. plan accordingly.

we had the idea of a putting dunkin machine to raise revenue for a local charity, three putts at a target with this local kid sittin up there but we couldn't figure out how too prevent bad putts from inadvertently strikin the kid instead of the target, but gosh we could have raised a ton of cash with that one...

we had the idea of a putting dunkin machine to raise revenue for a local charity, three putts at a target with this local kid sittin up there but we couldn't figure out how too prevent bad putts from inadvertently strikin the kid instead of the target, but gosh we could have raised a ton of cash with that one...

Are you talking about Matt 'the kid' Hall?

You're right, you would raise a lot of money from the local disc golf scene with that idea. Advertise it at school and I bet you would find many a girl that would also jump at the chance. :D :eek: :D

Sorry Matt, I couldn't resist.

chris just count on spending another night. HTP is taking us to a "folk dance" place afterwards with his winnings. he said it's just a place where "folks" dance, his mom danced there for years and they treat him like family whenever he gets by there.

Chuck, Tiff remembers two of the last three US Women's having the 2 meter in effect. The main reason for the decision, however, is based upon the design of the course. It is intended to be played with it in effect.

chris just count on spending another night. HTP is taking us to a "folk dance" place afterwards with his winnings. he said it's just a place where "folks" dance, his mom danced there for years and they treat him like family whenever he gets by there.
Cris, (no h), pay no attention to Dan. Keep in mind that while my dear sweet mother was "folk" dancing not far from Onion Town in the Hudson Valley, His mom could be heard on the street corner in Michigan Saying "Frito Lay, Frito Lay", (Dan still assumes that she was selling potato chips, :) )

so we agree, supporting the "arts" is essential.

Agreed. See ya Sunday :)