Was this an early Innova factory dye?
http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/alexjohnson13/Innova/IMG_2116.jpg

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/alexjohnson13/Innova/IMG_2115.jpg

http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af304/alexjohnson13/Innova/IMG_2114.jpg

Doubt it. That looks homemade.

I recently purchased a 2010 usdgc roc, a silver Nikko with the rainbow stamp. I've never picked up a collector disc and was wondering what is worth, if it is likely to go up in value, or if I should just take it out of the box and throw it. First post by the way. Thanks

check the registry through zonedriven.com. That will tell you how rare it is.

Its one of 200 stamps and one of 35 in this color and stamp, but I just don't know what that means. I know some rare ones are never worth much and some more common ones really rise in price. I've never collected discs and am tempted to turn it into a thrower, but don't want to if its going to be worth something.

It seems to me, IMHO, that all USDGC rocs appreciate in value somewhat. Some more than others, but all end up selling for more than what they were originally purchased for. It comes down to whether or not you really want to throw it. I've sold a used champ USDGC roc for just a little less than what I paid, and I got some good use out of it. I'd throw it...nothing is sacred.

Post it here, and Im sure these guys will give you an idea of what you have.

www.championroc.com

Its one of 200 stamps and one of 35 in this color and stamp, but I just don't know what that means. I know some rare ones are never worth much and some more common ones really rise in price. I've never collected discs and am tempted to turn it into a thrower, but don't want to if its going to be worth something.

Usually the really rare ones (1 of 1,1 of 5, 1 of 10 and so on) are the ones that bring the most money. 1 of 35 (in my opinion) is kind of in the in between area of being rare and not rare at all. If you want to throw it than throw it because its probably not a disc that will bring a ton of money in a few years. I personally dont throw any of the USDGC rocs unless they are already used/thrown by someone else because I know that a new one in the packaging is going to go up in value in the future. I (along with a lot of other collectors out there) are hoping that the market for USDGC rocs will keep going up but there is never a guarantee. For example the rocs that sold at the 2009 roc release have had HORRIBLE resale value. Most of them sell on ebay for around $25 which is what we payed for them the day of the tournament. This could be partly because those rocs are terrible throwers and the fact that there wasn't a true numbered registry through zone driven for them. Fortunately, JP and the guys at innova east really stepped it up this year and made some great discs. I would guess that if they keep doing it the way they did it this year in the future we will see the market increasing over time.

Innova did sent out yellow and orange 8x kc rocs. I got around 30 of them back in 97 in a regular shipment of discs. I've given away or sold most of them since then. I know I didn't dye them, maybe Innova did somehow.

Bruce

Innova did sent out yellow and orange 8x kc rocs. I got around 30 of them back in 97 in a regular shipment of discs. I've given away or sold most of them since then. I know I didn't dye them, maybe Innova did somehow.

Bruce

If you ever wanna give another away...........Just Saying LOL

I recently purchased a 2010 usdgc roc, a silver Nikko with the rainbow stamp. I've never picked up a collector disc and was wondering what is worth, if it is likely to go up in value, or if I should just take it out of the box and throw it. First post by the way. Thanks

Id say this is one that will probally go up in price,since Nikko won that year.

The pics i'ver seen of the Sliver and Golds look like they are opaque is this right? Opaque Champ plastic is rare IMO havent seen much of it since old true CE

Innova does send out dyed discs, they just don't do the dyeing themselves. Normal dyes are contracted out through a couple of folks. They send the blanks to the dyer who dyes them and ships them back. Then Innova sells them.

As for the colored 8X ROCS, the question was asked of Dave a few years back as to a guess on run numbers, to which Dave replied "we've never made any orange 8X KC ROCS, they must have been dyed". Granted he usually only deals with the product before it's stamped and or dyed, but they didn't produce any of color. Not to say that someone at Innova didn't have them dyed, returned to Innova and for Innova to sell them.

I recently purchased a 2010 usdgc roc, a silver Nikko with the rainbow stamp. I've never picked up a collector disc and was wondering what is worth, if it is likely to go up in value, or if I should just take it out of the box and throw it. First post by the way. Thanks

Keep it in the box and pick up a used CE ROC or a thrower ROC if you want one to throw. New ones will go up in value at some point. The whole disc golf collectible market is at a low point right now, mainly due to the overall economy. It has been this way for about 2 to 2 1/2 years now. This is a buyers market.

And a 1 of 35 is rare. Considering that Zonedriven listened to the collectors and decreased the overall production numbers this year. This is the first year in a long time that the market isn't flooded. Keep it, put it away some place safe and watch and see where it's at in 2 years or 5 years.

Cool! Thanks for all the info.

What is going on with Ebay? I saw all 3 of those sick Rocs Rick listed go for WAY below book, especially the Proto Super Roc. Wow. And this Leopard?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=290497955367&si=AuKRPwhPYGt9eUVPdmg6Apkz81c%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDWX%3AIT

OMFG. I cant understand this, but am happy. I have several. Seriously. I am stunned as I sit here typing this. Ive had the flu most the week and figured I wouldve won this thing with a $80 bid. You can imagine my suprise when I checked in to Ebay today.

What is going on with Ebay? I saw all 3 of those sick Rocs Rick listed go for WAY below book, especially the Proto Super Roc. Wow. And this Leopard?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=290497955367&si=AuKRPwhPYGt9eUVPdmg6Apkz81c%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDWX%3AIT

OMFG. I cant understand this, but am happy. I have several. Seriously. I am stunned as I sit here typing this. Ive had the flu most the week and figured I wouldve won this thing with a $80 bid. You can imagine my suprise when I checked in to Ebay today.

no surprise there on the leopard. a couple of guys who super inflated the price, if they went away it would have gone for a reasonable price. ive seen it happen on other ce stuff. one time wonders...

Usually some good deals around this time of year. I missed the closing on Rick's Roc's, would have pushed up to at least $100 for the proto's.

Do I have Night Shift Destroyer?

It is flat, pretty stiff, good grip, and has that trademark blue. It is mistamped with a Pro Destroyer stamp, but definitely Star plastic.

It is only marked with a DS on the back, with the www. engraved.

I dont think so. I thought those had a different call sign on the back.

I would have gone above $100 for those protos but we lost power that day. AAARRRRGGGG. The Night Shift Ds had small bar stamps on mini Star Stamps. Pretty Sure thats the only stamps on those I could be wrong but pretty sure.........
Ebay does have some good deals this time of year. I just got a 10X Eagle thats CE Plastic with a 10X Stamp for $30

Be careful with those 10x eagles because most of them with the 10x stamp were a mix of 50% se/50%true ce. Some had a M on the bottom some didn't and alot of people sell stuff without all of the correct info.

Usually some good deals around this time of year. I missed the closing on Rick's Roc's, would have pushed up to at least $100 for the proto's.

A 9x KC Roc just sold for like $122. It might have gotten more due to having the stock KC stamp. Where as the proto's some people just don't have the knowledge of the rarity of those discs and are leary of buying what's unknown to them. Someone got a smokin deal, I had recently paid $135 for a proto 8x Roc.

Enjoy the holidays.

was fumbling through my collection and saw a disc I meant to inquire on, I have a old dx/special edition feel teebird that has the old innova bar stamp across the middle and says first run teebird in the middle of the bar stamp... what edition is this? special edition and worth $$$$$ or an early day dx? could post a picture if no knows about this particular disc... curious

It's a first run DX Teebird. I have a couple of those that I kept when they first came out. Not worth a whole lot. Maybe $15. Cool disc.

Wasnt there also some done in Special Edition plastic?

Yes there were SE Teebirds, Valkyries and Leopards. Their stamps were bar stamps also, but they actually read "Special Edition Teebird" not first run. The first run dx Eagles had the same "First Run " bar stamp. The first run dx Firebids had the bar stamp but with only "Choice of Champions". Sorry to ramble, hope this helps.

No worries, I remember the SE Teebirds being decently rare. Maybe thats just compared to the TL mold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150523363903

Whats with this? I have never heard of a Glow KC let alone a Glow 8X. Is this guy for real or just trying to pull a fast one. No way this is worth what he is asking.

Any Glow KCs?

Its not a kc glo. Its just the old glo stamp. The 8x isn't a glow.

3 years ago the 8x if it was brand new/unthrown and max weight could have gotten those kinda shims. But that starting bid on used stuff? Plus the description IS misleading and that Glo Roc looks beat like Tina Turner. I call shenanigans.

Some true rare discs on eBay. I have a #3 bald Eagle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290505489897&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Have 4 other sets I'm working on. You could have a set to for the right price. Look on Ebay the place to make any Collector happy.

Finally bought a orange 8x KC Roc tonight. And a nice 9x too. Should round out my Roc collection nicely.

Congratulations! I was trying on the orange 8x also. I think it went pretty cheap and you got a good deal. I have a 9x up on Ebay ending Sat.

No roc collection is ever complete, that's the fun of of it. I have 1500 rocs and still want more!!

anyone know where to get the"top hat" bosses from?

anyone know where to get the"top hat" bosses from?

There are two on eBay right now, expect to pay $40+.

Yeah there are. :).

http://shop.ebay.com/atreau3/m.html

any idea on what midnight flyers go for in near new condition? if it matters i have #1,#4,#8

Which mold? 70, 49, 59, 100, 22, . .....?

well

#1 is a 50e mold
#4 is a 41 f mold
#8 is a 50e mold

they're also glow,if that matters

any idea on what midnight flyers go for in near new condition? if it matters i have #1,#4,#8

Some where b/t $30 and $50. I'm looking for a #7 Night Flyer if you happen to have one of those.

Looking for a Army POW / MIA 2010 Roc. Also, a Ching Skull stamped Roc.

Looking for a Army POW / MIA 2010 Roc. Also, a Ching Skull stamped Roc.

PM sent.

Which mold? 70, 49, 59, 100, 22, . .....?

How can you determine the mold type?

How can you determine the mold type?

I had fat fingers that day, there are no 49 or 59 molds.

Take a look along the flight rings and you'll see the number. Should be 22, 40, 50, 70, 71, 80, 86, and 100 molds with some other odd numbers mixed in for the Pink Ladies like 42A. My favorite is the 50 mold, which was the 141g Frisbee.

Thanks.

Nights areIt's time to spread some cheer so here the place to do just that for any Disc Golfer Lots more to come so Keep Looking pulling the boxes open again sold 600 last time.

http://shop.ebay.com/chainchinger/m.html getting Long better get your Glow On

While getting Christmas decorations out of storage for my wife, I came across a box with about 2 dozen Kitty Hawks in conditions, ranging from used so much you could barely see the stamp to mint barely touched by human hands. One of which was a first run green w/black swirl stamp with the Ben Wal Plastics stamp on the front. I also ran across a few Pat. Pend. Aeros and Eagles (not the current disc called Eagle). Anyone have any interest in some of this plastic?

What pricese are you asking on your discs.Thanks Ron

Looking for several pat pending eagles.

Erick03@hotmail.com

What pricese are you asking on your discs.Thanks Ron

It would depend on the disc, whether a used Kittyhawk or a mint eagle. send me an email with your interest and we can discuss further.

tglowry@cableone.net

Thanks
Tom

It would depend on the disc, whether a used Kittyhawk or a mint eagle. send me an email with your interest and we can discuss further.

tglowry@cableone.net

Thanks
Tom

I'm interested in the Kitty Hawks. I sent you a email.

Thx Rob

Here is a link to pics and prices for the Eagles, Pat. Pend. Aeros and Kitty Hawks.

http://s1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/tglowry/

email me if you have any questions or interest

tglowry@cableone.net

Hello for Christmas a buddy gave a kinda sparkly 2001 seasons greetings discraft z magnet just wondering if anyone knows anything about these? It is pretty cool with old D but the part where the basket would be is a Christmas tree! My buddy says that he thinks it was the very first disc realesed in Z plastic, as far as he remembers. Anyone got any info for me? Thanks so much Kent

I have some collector items on Ebay,,, and more that are not listed:

Here is a link to a 1st run Innova Eagle.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-DiscCovering-World-Original-Eagle-/290516149482?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a41ca4ea#ht_4051wt_651

I bought this disc in 1984 and sold it to a buddy who recently sold it back to me along with some patent pending aeros, supper puppys and some other goodies.
The Eagle is a used disc as some of the listing are, but certainly something that is kind of hard to come by these days. ( its over 25 years old and I do have another one identical to this one.).

I also have discs from past worlds for those who collect discs from pro and am worlds.
Give me an email if your interested if you see something you like or are looking for something specific,,,hurry before Nikko gets them all from me :)

I have some collector items on Ebay,,, and more that are not listed:

I bought this disc in 1984 and sold it to a buddy who recently sold it back to me along with some patent pending aeros, supper puppys and some other goodies.
:)

Dave,
I would be interested in the Puppies only if they are unused.

December is always a good month for me for collecting discs. How about the rest of you?

I picked up a orange 8x Rox, 9x Roc, [2] 2010 POW / MIA Roc's, 40 mold Whamo puddle stamp, DGA Halley's Comet, and a few odd ball discs.

Anyone know the history of this disc?

That wad a stamp done fir Jay Reading a few years back

Here is a link to pics and prices for the Eagles, Pat. Pend. Aeros and Kitty Hawks.

http://s1137.photobucket.com/albums/n510/tglowry/

email me if you have any questions or interest

tglowry@cableone.net

Tom, Thx for the sweet [4] new Kitty Hawks, very happy with deal.

Tom, Thx for the sweet [4] new Kitty Hawks, very happy with deal.

Glad they got to you safe and sound. Just one question, are you going to putt with the Shuttle Puppy? :) j/k I'd hate to have to cry over another kitty breaking on a basket.

enjoy!!!

LOL. That was an awful feeling when my green Kitty cracked. No, this beauty will go next to the white on I have.

Looking for some info on the "Blueberry" CE Zone Driven Valks (price, # made, etc)

Thought I remembered seeing some talk about these a while back, but couldn't find it.

Not a 1st run. And I know the collector and have done business with him before. Great guy.

Reasoning - There were aproximately 200 of the blue "blueberry" 1st runs. Of those original 200 about 50 to 75 went to the So Cal championships. These were stamped with the tourn. logo. Aprox. 100 made it to the east coast warehouse where they were stamped with the zonedriven bar stamp, a few with the ice bowl stamp and a few more with other stamps. There were also some done with the star stamp at the west coast factory. I've talked to the folks who did the stamping at the west coast factory and the east coast factory and no one ever remembers stamping them with the stock CE stamp. Not even sure if the stock CE stamp design had been finalized yet.

The production circle and the mold & weight written on back - this was a theory a few of us came up with back in 2002 or 2003. The person doing the weighing and lettering at the west coast factory did all of the 1st run CE plastic. He wrote the model outside of the small production circle and the weight inside the circle. However this also continued halfway through the 2nd run on all molds before someone else took over the duties. You will find a number of 2nd runs in other colors listed as 1st runs based solely on this little marking. You have to go back to the 1st run colors of red and blueberry.

The 1st runs blueberry's that came out of the east coast warehouse also had a hexagon sticker attatched to the back the said 1st run CE Valkyrie. This sticker was basic but was done in 2 different fonts. Of the 12 1st runs I've owned over the years all of them had this sticker. They were also they same shade of blue no matter what weight. The level of opauqeness did change however with the weights. Lighter ones you could see the sticker barely through the flight plate. Heavier ones you couldn't make the sticker out unless you put a light behind it.

Something else to keep in mind is this. This was a new disc done in new durable plastic. There wasn't a CE collectible market at the time. With the numer of them that were given out as part of the players pack at the So Cal Tourn., I can only imagine how many were actually thrown and not stored away. Same goes with the ones from the east coast. Yet I've seen 200+ advertised on Ebay since early 2003. Most listed as mint, and most with the stock stamp. All different shades of blue, clear, opaque, mold id inside the cirle and out. Numbers just don't add up.

What I learned about these particular discs came from lots of research, mainly talking to the folks at Innova. I was a vendor at the time and was making 1 to 2 trips a week down to the east coast factory every week. The guys that dealt with these discs are friends that work there and at the time back in 2002 and 2003 thier memories were pretty fresh.
I'll try to post a couple of pics tonight or tomorrow.


Here. Pg 3 is where it starts.

I've noticed Champion Gators are selling for over $150 lateley. What gives?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320658124372&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Picked this disc up last week, was happy to find out it was a early Rock N Roller. Still looking for a stock stamped Rock N Roller.

Thank you and you're welcome!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320658124372&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Picked this disc up last week, was happy to find out it was a early Rock N Roller. Still looking for a stock stamped Rock N Roller.

Nice price...

I've noticed Champion Gators are selling for over $150 lateley. What gives?

Dont know, Dont Care, and am still listing them!

Is the same schm�ck buying all of those? And, if so, I wonder if he also likes circle-stamped Whippets.

Is the same schm�ck buying all of those? And, if so, I wonder if he also likes circle-stamped Whippets.

No, it isnt. Different people. I had 59 watchers on the last Gator.

Not sure about Whippets or why these surpassed them so quickly, but I still have alot of Whippets.

This past November, my son rolled and totaled my 4Runner. He was ejected and sustained major, but not life-threatening, injuries. Medical bills are rolling in, so I need to sell much of my collection to pay the bills. I've been collecting discs for a number of years and have some that I hope people value. I'll be posting discs over the next few months. If there is something in particular that you're looking for and it's not listed, get in touch because I might have it.

Some disc listed now include champion (CE) Gator, champion (CE) whippets, Ron Russell SE Comet, first-run Z Buzzz, 2001 CE Aviar, 3X JK Aviar, 2006 first-run Wraith, Pro-line Gremlin, and more.

http://shop.ebay.com/nuwo/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

I've listed some more discs, including SE Rhyno, CE Spider, 1st run Z-Buzzz, Holiday Buzzz, CE-JLS and various other collectors and throwers. Also have a new Revolution mini bag, a backpack from the 2008 Memorial, and fanny pack from last year's Memorial, all new.

Check them out here.

http://shop.ebay.com/nuwo/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562

Still looking for the Army POW / MIA Roc.

I'm looking for Cam Todd Challengers for my Friend Angel Garcia.

Anyone ?

Looking for some new or used 2001-2002 ce classic rocs. I have $$$$$

I"m looking for 2 new ce classic roc from 01 or 02 non stock stamps. The dog got a hold of my bag. So I need to start over. can trade or do paypal. hard985210@yahoo.com
Thanks for any help. would like 173 to 175 gr.

Seems that these CE Classic Rocs are in demand, at least judging by the last two posts. Just curious what the going rate is for them nowadays? Anybody know what stamps are on them? I have an orange CR from the 2002 Master's Cup that feels like CE, but I'm not sure. Anybody in the know?

Seems that these CE Classic Rocs are in demand, at least judging by the last two posts. Just curious what the going rate is for them nowadays? Anybody know what stamps are on them? I have an orange CR from the 2002 Master's Cup that feels like CE, but I'm not sure. Anybody in the know?


One just sold on ebay. a new 2002 yellow master cup $63. Ill pay 70 shipped. I need throwers. Not for collecting. Im lost without mine. Lost it about 3 weeks ago. Have a huge hole in my arsenal. one of the main parts of my game for sure.

Thanx

Seems that these CE Classic Rocs are in demand, at least judging by the last two posts. Just curious what the going rate is for them nowadays? Anybody know what stamps are on them? I have an orange CR from the 2002 Master's Cup that feels like CE, but I'm not sure. Anybody in the know?

If I remember right, from way back then, The original CE CLassic ROC was a 2002 USDGC fundraiser that was in yellow, pink and orange. They had the 'Star' stamp on them and the price range for collecting them now go from about $110 to $200. The pink and yellow ones were more rare and they have been seen going for over $200. With the economy now, those prices are probably a little high.

Master Cup, Worlds Doubles and several other 'Major 'tourneys also had the CE ROC that year. I don't know about prices on them, but I would imagine somewhere around $75-100 for collecting.

I have seen them with 2001 Masters cup on them and have seen an Innova worker post that they were ran in 2001. There might have been a 2nd run in 02. I have seen at least a dozen dif stamps on them. There were also x-outs and I even have one that Barry Schultz gave me after he one the 2001 USDGC that says "one div one champion". I'm selling an x-out on E-bay that ends tonight.

These are up on ebay now. They look like the one I've got.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270742286599&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

These are up on ebay now. They look like the one I've got.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270742286599&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Well yours is champion edition, Sir! One of the best approach disc ever. i have maybe 15-16 of them all differnet tournament stamps. I carry two in the bag at all times. but I will never let any go, but Dave Dunipace said they were going to remold the classic roc back to orignal specs, instead of the more blunt nose champion or star of the current runs. So if Dave comes threw we will finial have the orignal classic roc back!!!!!

Dave, PMs don't seem to work. Got a CE Classic Roc. discbill@yaoo.com

I have seen them with 2001 Masters cup on them and have seen an Innova worker post that they were ran in 2001. There might have been a 2nd run in 02. I have seen at least a dozen dif stamps on them. There were also x-outs and I even have one that Barry Schultz gave me after he one the 2001 USDGC that says "one div one champion". I'm selling an x-out on E-bay that ends tonight.

You sure those 2001 MC weren't CE Aviars? I thought 2002 was when the Classic Roc first got run in CE.

I've got a white 2002 Bowling Green CE Classic Roc.
I also bought a lightweight Orange one the next year for $10. I gave it away and the mullette lost it!

I have a 1st run Buzz question for you all.

When I lived in Iowa (2005-2007), I remember Adam Olson throwing a 1st run Buzz with the 2004 or 2005 pdga tour stamp on it (the one with all the NT stamps in a circle). It was flat like a first run but didn't possess a 1st run stamp. He said that Discraft held back a lot of the 1st runs that were clear for tournament stamping.

I just recently acquired a super flat Wasp tooled clear tournament stamped trophy disc from 2004 or 2005. I was curious if this was a first run or not, or if anyone knew a way to identify it.

The inner rim of the disc should say, "Wasp", not "Buzzz". I think that's the only identifier.

Sorry, it does say Wasp. I don't know why I said Buzz.

My bad. I was thinking 1st run Buzzz, not wasp.
As far as I know, all first run Z Wasps are yellow or orange and have a ghost-stamp "Z" in the middle. They also have a standard dome on them.
I also have a flat clear Z Wasp from the 2003 Cross Canyon, I think the clears are rarer than the 1st runs. Discraft sends clears to J-bird for dyeing or saves them for tourneys only.

I picked this disc up used at a second hand store. Please tell me anything you know about it. Here is what I know about it. It is a 2001 PDGA Pro Worlds disc made by Millenium. It has J and 170 written on the back. Also on the back is the writing that is on the back of CE discs "Innova Champion...". Finally it leaves fingerprints, and though it looks like its been thrown, doesnt look very beat up. Here are pictures of the disc so you can see for yourself.

Front
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5735496416/in/photostream
Back
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mayumoogy/5735496548/in/photostream

Here is my question

Could this disc be Champion Edition plastic?

Its more than likely the SE plastic they used for Millennium, but you never know.

I sold a similar stamped EXP and sold it as SE plastic, not CE. The buyer then told me it was CE, but I think that was wishful thinking. Its not like I wouldnt have wanted the CE upcharge.

The older SE stuff will show fingerprints as well, like CE. Dave has said thats something to do with the ingrediants, and that its common in plastic from that era.

Selling my pluto platter on ebay.

It's a period 6 pluto platter according to the Victor Malafronte system.

WPP6 on the Kennedy system.

Very rare.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1959-Pluto-Platter-Sixth-Period-6-WPP6-red-Frisbee-/190536956667?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5ce33afb

Bid high and bid often

close up of the central injection area is at:

http://hyzercreek.com/pluto.htm

Bid high and bid often

Just read that Rick Neil, owner of Disc Flights, passed away. Rick was a huge collector. RIP Rick.

Anyone selling their Rolling Thunder Roc's?

Can you send a link on Rick's passing?

http://www.floralhaven.com/obituary/user/show/template?id=45719

I'm looking for CE Plastic. Preferably some throwers. I have cash or discs to trade
*

Thanks for posting the Obit. Did not mention what killed him. Any idea?

Just read it on the other thread. What a way to go. Bummer.

I found and bought a Clear 2009 175G CFR Destroyer w/color foil stamp.
Looking for a fair value for this disc.
Only found one other listed here:
http://www.clearwaterdiscgolfstore.com/cfrchampiondestroyerasiaopen2009-p-4963.html
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dale Patterson

I wouldn't say that disc is worth $100...

Agreed...

I've got several clear original 11x Teebirds, which are much more desireable, and they go for about $60.00.

The real value is probably close to $50.00

I wouldn't say that disc is worth $100...

Right that's why I am posing the questions.

But I can't find another one anywhere else :P ???

Agreed...

I've got several clear original 11x Teebirds, which are much more desireable, and they go for about $60.00.

The real value is probably close to $50.00

Thanks for the imput.
D.P.

Looking to buy DGA Kitty Hawks, old Destiny discs, and a 2010 USDGC POW / MIA Army Roc.

Looking to buy DGA Kitty Hawks, old Destiny discs, and a 2010 USDGC POW / MIA Army Roc.

Hey!

There is an army roc on ebay... the guy is asking 160, but there is a make an offer option.

Hi all, I picked up a few of these and am looking for any info on them. They are 86 softies I am pretty sure, thats all I know. One is an Oak Grove "Worlds First Disc Golf Course" stamp on it with Pasadena also on there. The other is more generic, with "Disc Golf" stamp. Thanks for the help.

Agreed...

I've got several clear original 11x Teebirds, which are much more desireable, and they go for about $60.00.

The real value is probably close to $50.00

Sold. $60 ea Ill take them all.

....Oh and I put some stuff on Ebay, including a few of these: 1st Run CFR PDs w Iron Lion small Star Stamp. They are really rare and completely awesome.

Nice looking disc Chase. We had some CFR PD's run for Disc Golf Review last Spring, and they're awesome.

I just had some landscaping done recently, and as a result, I'll be listing some collectables.

I'll compile a list over the next two days and post it prior to it going to ebay...

Erick

Looking to buy DGA Kitty Hawks, old Destiny discs, and a 2010 USDGC POW / MIA Army Roc.

Finally got the Army Roc, thx Erick for pointing me in the right direction.

Looking to buy DGA Kitty Hawks and Destiny discs.

Hey guys I have some exta 2011 USDGC Roc with the Special Olympics stamp. I have Ranchos and Ontarios. hard985210@yahoo.com[/email] Thanks Perkins

hi all, i picked up a few of these and am looking for any info on them. They are 86 softies i am pretty sure, thats all i know. One is an oak grove "worlds first disc golf course" stamp on it with pasadena also on there. The other is more generic, with "disc golf" stamp. Thanks for the help. bump.

I just had some landscaping done recently, and as a result, I'll be listing some collectables.

I'll compile a list over the next two days and post it prior to it going to ebay...

Erick

Looking forward to it

I believe the 86 mold is owned by DTW, or was that the Super Puppy? I have a UV 86 mold that's pretty cool.

86 mold is a wham-o disc. The Puppy, Super Puppy, JetEye and Floater were Destiny discs. Now I believe, as you stated, DTW. Don't know any particulars about Chase's discs though.
Chase, I assume you're doing IA States, but if you were coming to IL States, I could confirm by touch whether or not they're 86's. And I bet Gary Lewis or Phil would know something about them.

I have a blue 86 mold with the same "World's First Disc Golf Course Stamp"

86 is in the engraving, Whamo, has Rings of Headrick on it

incredibly straight flyer, very slow with significant glide - fun disc to throw

out of production but if you do an internet search they are still available at some retailers for $15ish or under

Yeah, was figuring that would be about where they landed. Thanks!

Looking forward to it

4x Kenny GLow Roc 180 mint with gold stamp
4x Kenny Glow Roc 180 Mint with purple stamp
usdgc hole 7 glow roc 179 mint black stamp
3 2002 Orange/peach usdgc roc 179
2 11x Rocs 179 gold stamp
11x roc 180 rainbow stamp
11x roc 180 silver prism stamp

3 8x proto rocs, 180, 178, 180
3 10x rocs 180, 180, 179
2 8x rocs, 178, 180
choice of champs proto 8x roc 180
blank ce valkryie 163 (no stamp)
2 2nd run ce valk day glow with rainbow stamps 175
2 milky white 3rd run ce valk 168, 169
174 milky white ce valk with disclanding stamp
3 1st run ce teebirds 172, 175, 172
3 1st run ce firebirds 175, 175, 172
1st run ce valk 170
1st run ce eagle 172
2 ce eagle x, pink, yellow, 175 each
2 hunter orange with rainbow stamp ce firebird fx 172 each x out very nice
2 taffy ce firebird fx 174 each, purple, yellow
175 magenta ce firebird fl
175 blueberry first run ce leopard with rainbow stamp
hot pink ce valk 172
torquoise ce teebird t unthrown 170 with silver stamp


here is the first batch...
all are unthrown

Erick whats the price on the 11x rocs?

Atreau,

I tried to PM you but I can't. Can you email me at daemonderpar at gmail.com? I want to pay cash for your 10x rocs.

How much are you asking for these?

please pm me, or email me @ erick03@hotmail.com

I love it pay cash. Does cash work better tham paypal?

Anybody have an idea on what a full set of mint midnight flyer minis are worth?

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I'd say b.t $200 and $300. The Japan set always sells for $300+, there might be a set on DTW site for sale.

Around 2001, some CE Teebirds were stamped with the "Choice of Champions" bar stamp. Does anyone know of any other CE molds that had this stamp? Maybe Valkyries? Trying to identify an unknown disc which is real close but not exactly a Valkyrie.

Sounds like the valk x

Valk X didnt have the CoC stamp.

I'd say b.t $200 and $300. The Japan set always sells for $300+, there might be a set on DTW site for sale.

thanks vegas! thats awesome. the guy i bought/traded these from said he had a guy at dga say 100 would be a starting point but never gave better figure.

ive never seen a full set before,nor have i seen the original packaging. btw. i checked DTW and didnt see any sets for sale.

thanks!

Very rare to find a set. I received a #5 mini with my PDGA # when I joined in '87.

Bought this Kitty Hawk this morning. Never heard of Headrick Industries, always known this to be DGA. Interesting.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330595081957&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Lots of over priced Kitty Hawks on eBay this week, about a dozen gems. The Def Lepard stamped one is too cool.

Very rare to find a set. I received a #5 mini with my PDGA # when I joined in '87.

Wow 87 . So I take it the only way to get them was through membership at that time? Any more info is definitely appreciated. Thanks vegas

I was very fortunate to get these off the guy,he didnt want to sell them at first but we came to an agreement. Im definitely gonna hold on to these.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/gippy07/CEFB.jpg
1st Run Lightly used with one name on back.

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p302/gippy07/CETB-1.jpg
Mint CE Plastic with the KC Stamp Unthrown No ink

Im helping a friend out with funds for his events.
Email me at discgolfer 145 at hotmail dot com with offers. Please make serious offers. Low ball offers will not get a reply.

Wow 87 . So I take it the only way to get them was through membership at that time? Any more info is definitely appreciated. Thanks vegas

I was very fortunate to get these off the guy,he didnt want to sell them at first but we came to an agreement. Im definitely gonna hold on to these.

These were sold before my time, only have seen approx 1/2 dozen sets sold on eBay the past 12 years. If I collected mini's this set would be the crown jewal.

Dan Mangone at DTW would probably have better info.

4x Kenny GLow Roc 180 mint with gold stamp
4x Kenny Glow Roc 180 Mint with purple stamp
usdgc hole 7 glow roc 179 mint black stamp
3 2002 Orange/peach usdgc roc 179
2 11x Rocs 179 gold stamp
11x roc 180 rainbow stamp
11x roc 180 silver prism stamp

3 8x proto rocs, 180, 178, 180
3 10x rocs 180, 180, 179
2 8x rocs, 178, 180
choice of champs proto 8x roc 180
blank ce valkryie 163 (no stamp)
2 2nd run ce valk day glow with rainbow stamps 175
2 milky white 3rd run ce valk 168, 169
174 milky white ce valk with disclanding stamp
3 1st run ce teebirds 172, 175, 172
3 1st run ce firebirds 175, 175, 172
1st run ce valk 170
1st run ce eagle 172
2 ce eagle x, pink, yellow, 175 each
2 hunter orange with rainbow stamp ce firebird fx 172 each x out very nice
2 taffy ce firebird fx 174 each, purple, yellow
175 magenta ce firebird fl
175 blueberry first run ce leopard with rainbow stamp
hot pink ce valk 172
torquoise ce teebird t unthrown 170 with silver stamp


here is the first batch...
all are unthrown

3 10x rocs, 1st Run CE Valk Sold

I also just found 2 mint CE Aviars, 175 each... 2 max weight bright orange bar stamped buzzes, and 12 Mint Flat top full color rocs.

Thank you for the PM's... I just found 6 mint 10x Teebirds last night, a few 11x Teebirds, and a few 11x Aviars.

Great plastic from Erick. Thanks!

Good deal! Glad you enjoy them!

Soft touch kitty hawk. 183g mint ...any idea on value guys? I know there are other kitty hawks out there that are pretty pricey

Soft touch kitty hawk. 183g mint ...any idea on value guys? I know there are other kitty hawks out there that are pretty pricey

In Mint condition I would say b.t $50 and $75. 1st generation add $25.

Innova recently made a new run of Champion Rocs for testing... all are more overstable, stiff Orange Champion Plastic, with a white team stamp...

Only 130 were made and were distributed to team members to throw and provide feedback to Innova regarding the stability tweak.

This one looks great in my collection.

is the sparkling look an additive or a picture effect?

Haha, that's just water from it raining last night.

I have one of the original jk valks 168g, for sure a collectors item.

If anyone has a Circle Stamp Wolf, Puma, Rhyno, or Teebird let me know. I'll def. buy them from you :D.

Most of the first runs for these were the Bar stamp. Not sure circle stamps exist.

They do :D.

http://discgolfmuseum.com/museum/cache/the-museum/original-innova-rings-animal-stamps/DX-Wolf-rings-yellow-179.JPG_595.jpg
http://discgolfmuseum.com/museum/cache/the-museum/original-innova-rings-animal-stamps/DX-Teebird-rings-white-172.JPG_595.jpg
http://discgolfmuseum.com/museum/cache/the-museum/original-innova-rings-animal-stamps/DX-Puma-rings-orange-174.JPG_595.jpg

Sorry, thought you were talking about the first runs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/INNOVA-BUTTERSCOTCH-CE-EAGLE-MINT-RARE-OOP-PROTOTYPE-CHAMPION-EDITION-/290608426182?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a99cacc6

Teebird junkies, this post is for you. Where you at Greg?

The disc pictured above is an Eagle, I know, but I want to talk about the stamp....and this auction, somewhat. I dont think this disc is CE. I cant find pictures of mine offhand.

I have CE Teebirds with this stamp. I just recently got another off Ebay from CouchCruiser that went from $250 down to $100 in the span of a year. It is 159g. You probably saw it up there. I actually believe it to be the rarest, as I have never seen one so light and have only seen one other w a Red Stamp. There were others on for awhile that were priced as high as $500, and Im sure there is a link buried in this thread for it.

First off, Im throwing out that its virtually impossible for this to be a CE Teebird. As I posted before, I believe them to be full CE 10x KC Teebirds. In accordance to the timelines provided, these would have to be more like the late run CE to be Teebirds, unless they were used as gifts and made in a short run for the Pros that stamped them, as rumored. The first time I saw these was in late '01 or summer '02. Doesnt fit the CE Teebird timeline.

So here is where it gets tricky. I believe there are actually 2 seperate sets of Teebirds out there with this stamp. Ther eis one set that is SE plastic, and I believe these were sold by the WinniCrew. They do not have the "T" designation on the back. A firend of mine just got one in the mail and brought it over to compare to mine. I have more than a few. To me, it was similar to the SE discs. The only arguement that I think can be made is possibly 9x KC, but I dont think so.

The ones I have always have been known as Cam Todd Teebirds. They were supposedly stamped by Cam after he won the '01 Worlds. Avery Jenkins was put off when I called them Cam Todds, saying the Crew did them before and sold them for travelling money. The only problem, and I havent tlaked to Avery yet about it, was he didnt tell me a date that the Crew stamped and sold thiers.

Several people on here talked about having some, so check them out and see what you have. All mine have the "T" designation on back, some are the double stamped versions that Cam himself stamped. But, supposedly there was 100 of them done, so few show the errors Cam made overall.

Okay, so whats up with this.

...And Im still waiting on a Leopard discussion.

I have a collection of Discwing discs from the 1st Runs, production prototypes, test discs and sample discs if anyone is interested. I am not sure what they are worth but if you are interested, let me know

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67963357@N06/sets/72157627629975897/with/6183495981/

So, very shortly I will be ordering my allocation of the New Innova Champion Rancho Mold Rocs.

Innova recently tweeked the normal Rancho mold to produce a stiff, overstable run of rocs. I got my hands on two of the "test" versions, and the one I threw felt and flew very similar to the kenny 4x glow champion roc. The past few runs have been noticibly more understable than this run.

Any one interested in one? I'll be getting a limited allocation, but if you're interested, please PM me.

E

I just ordered 5 of each stamp...

http://www.discgolfunited.com/Store/productlisting.cfm?prod_cat_id=150

The disc that your friend Nate got was sold by me on Ebay. It was slightly different from the Cam birds, but I knew of no other discs with that taffy CE feel that had COC stamps on them.

As for the COC teebirds, they were all T molds and supposedly you could tell if Cam did them because the stamp would be off. I never noticed that and bought many from Cam when he was on tour. I think you may be right that there are two sets of these, but they are still the same disc. By that I mean some were sold by the Winnie Crew and others by Cam. These would have been made around the time of the 2nd runs with the plastic slightly less opaque than a second run, but not as opaque as third runs. These limited COC CE teebirds weere the only other true T mold aside from the 5th runs. I still have two.

As you know, there are no absolutes when it comes to discs. During the golden age of CE KC and SE plastics,there were many different blends and versions of the Teebird. I remember having 5 different version of the 9x KC Teebird. Some were stiffer, some had nippples, different lips, etc. I have a SE Teebird that is definitely a 2nd run CE Teebird with an SE stamp. I have a CE Firebird that has a DX Firebird stamp. People goofed around with stamps and plastics so much back then, nothing surprises me anymore.

Hi Greg, I wasnt sure it that was you or not. I told him if it was, your a well informed seller, but this was a confusing subject.

BTW, Ill take that Teebird. Ive never seen one, but I still disagree on the plastic type. Its my belief, and will be until I talk to Avery, that its an SE T. I also agree with you that not everything is as it seems, and there was enough tell tale spots on that T to hold the arguement on your end.

If you want send me your address, Ill send you one of mine to check out. I have several in orange and white. There is a noticable diffence in the discs.

If you want send me your address, Ill send you one of mine to check out. I have several in orange and white. There is a noticable diffence in the discs.

Thanks, but what would you be sending? I have SE,KC, and CE as well as Cam(or COC) Teebirds that I compared that disc to. I appreciate the offer. I think I'm holding on to the Teebird in question when I get it back from Nate, at least until I confirm 100% what it is and it's history. I know it's a very special disc because it has so many experts stumped. I'm sure next time I see Dave, he will just smell it and tell me exactly what it is.

Sweet reward for whoever refers me to a successful transaction for Innova 2011 Special Olympics champion roc #004. Cash in your paypal or pocket for doing nothing more than referring me to who has it and them selling it.

Looking to buy old Destiny discs, Rock N Roller, Bullet, Lazer, Puppy and Super Puppy. No Dynamic or beat discs. Also, DGA Kitty Hawks. Thx

Picked up a white Ben Wal last week, anyone ever see a white one? How rare?

Thanks, but what would you be sending? I have SE,KC, and CE as well as Cam(or COC) Teebirds that I compared that disc to. I appreciate the offer. I think I'm holding on to the Teebird in question when I get it back from Nate, at least until I confirm 100% what it is and it's history. I know it's a very special disc because it has so many experts stumped. I'm sure next time I see Dave, he will just smell it and tell me exactly what it is.

Ok. Id be sending one thats nothing like the one Nate showed me. Thats SE. It didnt even have a "T" marking. Im not stumped on the disc, just the history, as I think they are different from the CTs and were stamped and sold by the WinniCrew, but earlier. Would you say thats a possiblity?

If I really had to make a guess, SE is what I would say, with a minor possiblilty its a taffy 9x KC. Let me know if you ever want to sell, its a very sweet disc.

There's two serious CE Teebirds for sale now on eBay for over $2k each.

Any JK Aviar collectors out there I have two on the block. They are listed on my Discaroo account: erpKade if you want to view them.

Brand new 173 actually weighs 174.8 Rainbow Stamp
Brand new 175 Beefy actually weighs 177.3 Green Stamp

I am looking for Paypal "Personal Gift" offers. PM me.

Thanks.

There's two serious CE Teebirds for sale now on eBay for over $2k each.

Yeah, Im eager to see if they will sell. If they do, I dont think it will be for more than the minimal bid. They are the THE Teebird if your a collector, but I dont know if that would be my asking price.

I think he's just showing them off and has a ridiculous price not expecting to sell them. They are sweet though!

I talked to him about it thru PMs, wasnt sure where to price them really. It was my opinion, they were worth about $1100-1500 ea. I think that also is high, but was told there may only be 4 left that are unthrown...

He pointed out that the Rocs were going for as much or more and these offer more signifcant history...but not the same level of collectability.

The disc alone is as rare as anything out there now, but if those numbers are anywhere near correct, I think you get whatever you can out of it. I really, really like the milky White version w Rainbow stamp....but thats a little more than what both of my cars together are worth. Lol.

How did he come up that ther are 4 that are mint? I have 2 and I know atleast 6 more that are mint so thats 10.

I know someone who has a hand molded CE Firebird with about an inch of flashing on it. It was a test run from about '99.

Awesome for you 1967! Looks like you should sell one on Ebay. I saw the 2k one is gone, so someone is either making a deal or bought it.

When you're talking over $1k for a disc, anything's for sale. I personally had one of the Holy Grail clear Zonedriven ghost stamped 2000 CE Rocs. Traded an orange 8x for it in 2001. Then traded it away for a bunch of other sweet Rocs. It happens to be the one that is unregistered now by the new owner.

I know someone who has a hand molded CE Firebird with about an inch of flashing on it. It was a test run from about '99.

The first CE showed up at PAW2000 in the form of 20 clear Teebirds that were knicknamed "chameleons" because you'd have a hard time finding them if you threw them.

The first real run CE discs were released at the 2000 SoCal Championships in September or October of that year and were the Gazelles and Valks with the big star stamps and big flashing, flashing that would hold up even if you threw the things into a brick wall.

Just sayin' you're off by a year. :D

Wasn't 100% sure of the year, thus the "about" part.

How did he come up that ther are 4 that are mint? I have 2 and I know atleast 6 more that are mint so thats 10.

I dont know to be honest with you, just reporting what was said. I think it may be based off his on investigative work, and by the response to his search for them for a website he was building. I know of a few, all but one have been thrown.

That GLOD Banshee on there is pretty sick. If nobody is paying attention, its coming over to my house.

Yeah, I kinda got dyslexic on that description. Before I could go back and correct it, it had a bid on it.

Very Rare disc for sale!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150674216070

I have 1-blue, 1-orange and 1-yellow

Sweet reward for whoever refers me to a successful transaction for Innova 2011 Special Olympics champion roc #004. Cash in your paypal or pocket for doing nothing more than referring me to who has it and them selling it.

Yeah, I kinda got dyslexic on that description. Before I could go back and correct it, it had a bid on it.

You shipping it Pony Express? J/K. Thanks Again.

Sent it out Tuesday. Should be there any day. Thanks Chase! Do you need another one? Got it!

Only one more Team Innova Star Roc left!! The last one sold in less than a day!!

Great collector's item that you WILL NOT get anywhere else.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150679957929

150 Class CE Cheetahs- how many stamps are there?
I've seen 01 World Games, 01 Masters and 02 Masters. Are there any others?
Any other info on em would be appreciated.
Thanks

I bought some Mini's at a disc golf auction. They were in a Wall City Mini Bag. I had never seen one of those before! It's kind of cool. Wall City Austin Texas on the front, and 1994 PDGA Worlds Disc Golf Championships (Texas outline) on the back. There were a bunch of minis in the bag and the auctioneer sold them as mystery items. When I won the bag, I also won the discs and was very pleasantly surprised when I opened up the bag!

If you know how much any of these are worth, please let me know. If you are interested in buying, let me know that as well. Thanks!

PS, the date on my camera wasn't set correctly. I am too lazy to change it. :)

http://s522.photobucket.com/albums/w350/dddm4/

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Add any new discs to your collection this holiday season? I was lucky enough to get a 2011 Hybrid USDGC Roc, Innova Team Member Roc, and a DGA 83 Worlds Kitty Hawk.

Still looking for a mint #7 Night Flyer and Destiny Rock N Roller.

Merry Christmas to you all.

Not really. I almost went after the Blue Berry Valk that was up there last night. Forgot and went Christmas shopping for others instead...

Okay, I've been perplexed by this sudden influx of CAL mold Teebirds. First off, I fell in love with the Teebird when it first came out and have owned/thrown every version there was aside from maybe the original hand poured CE version. I was seeing Champion plastic versions being sold and was trying to find a CAL mold Champion Teebird in my stash to see what the difference was. I couldn't find one. Then I decided to look at pre-Champion KC and SE discs. AHA!!!!! What I found was a revalation to me. I found a 10x KC, an SE, a 1st Run CE, a Cam Todd/Winnie Crew CE, and a weird (what I call a 1st and a half run) CE that has a pronounced nipple on top all with the CAL stamp on the bottom. Funny thing is, that there are noticeable variances in each one. The SE has a straighter lip than the 10x KC. The 1st Run CE has a slightly less straighter lip than the SE that extends slightly further. The Cam Todd/Winnie Crew CE is almost identical to the 10x KC but not exact. The mythical 1st and a half run has the same lip as the SE , but has the nipple on top(similar to a metalhead viper). I never found any 11x Teebirds with CAL stamps though.

So, I've determined that there were no real consistencies in the CAL mold and that it was changed a few times. Sorry for the long dissertation, I just wanted to share my observations on a subject that has puzzled me for awhile. I feel fortunate that I have older stuff to do this kind of research.

I guess now the question is: Which one of the afore mentioned discs is this new/old mold of CAL discs from?

Once again, sorry to rant. I hope this information serves some of you collectors.

Just found a bunch of mint heavy CE Firebirds (FL and FX Molds) in my stash...

Anyone interested?

I don't know what a "CAL" mold is, but could the differences you see be explained by how the different plastic blends shrink when cooled? I remember some of the small bead Aviars came out looking like beadless in the new plastics. The nose/wing could setup a little differently pretty easily from that too I suppose.

Just a scan of whats at hand:

4 11x KC w swoosh stamp: 4 CA
5 11x KC w 2nd run stamp: 4 CAL 1 CA
Champion Glo TB + : CAL
Echo Star : CA

Ill check the others but I am sure, much like yours, they will be CAL. As was the older glow Champions Im pretty sure. I am pretty sure I still have some of the CAL 11x Teebirds, and thought the Blue S-TBs from awhile back we talked abut were too. Of the 2nd stamp version KCs the CAL is stiffer plastic. The CA is softer.

The Cam Todd/ WinniCrew Teebirds look like KCs because they are. Last runs, of the 4 done of 10x. They were done in WHITE, ORANGE and PINK. Thats it, according to Avery who was working there at the time. I just talked to him about it the other day. He thinks between 100 and 200 total were produced, closer to 100. Im looking for a PINK one and have CASH to spend or CE to trade....just saying.

I have one day left on these cool discs....

http://www.ebay.com/sch/frizbeedeano/m.html?_adv=1&_dmd=1&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1

Some rare stamps and KC signed black and gold discs.....Deano

I have a few collectors disc this week on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/frizbeedeano/m.html?_adv=1&_dmd=1&_in_kw=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1


Trying to raise some money for a road trip out west next week......Deano

Selling some very nice stuff on Ebay! please take a look:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/batovitor/m.html?item=320839479348&sspagename=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649&_trksid=p4340.l2562