this leopard i have doesn't say pro line on the stamp, just pro leopard like the current pro leopards and also has the swoosh logo with the website inside the swoosh. i found a pic of an old proline leopard and the stamps don't match.

They are out there. Several types of Pro Leopard/ Pro Line Leopards.

So which is more likely, that this mystery disc is just a gummy champion leopard that got mis-stamped with a pro stamp, or a proline leopard that was sitting around without a stamp and had a pro stamp put on it when it was found because that's the stamp used at the time? It's a translucent blue, but I've had a few proline leopards in the past and none of them were translucent. I'm not too worried about it, the disc just feels really nice and I'm gonna throw it. I just would like to have some idea as to what it really is so I can track some more of them down.

It's a "Proline Leopard" with the stamp just saying Pro Leopard. It's not mis-stamped, like they said, that's what they used to call champion plastic after CE. Same disc, I've seen many like these, and the 150's that I've seen were all gummy. Dynamic Discs had about 20 of these discs about a year ago, I'd check to see if they still have any left.

First, quick history:

Between CE and Champion you had, IIRC, the Pro Line Leopard, Monster, Beast, and Spider, the Pro Firebird, the JK Pro Valkyrie (just 4x I think) and the 11x KC Pro Teebird. While I don't know enough (paging Rick Black...) to tell the exact mix they all used, most of them certainly had the translucent look of Champion. I've seen both opaque and translucent (in heavy weights) 4x Valks though. I've only ever seen opaque Pro Line Leopards, though this is the experience of a casual collector (and I've certainly never been a dealer/seller).

Of course, it didn't help that they released later Pro (like the Starfire, etc.) versions of the Leopard, Firebird (the earlier Champion-like Firebirds had the word Firebird styled like on a DX Firebird, but otherwise the stamp looked the same), Beast, Valk, and Teebird.

But going on that, my guess would be that it's simply translucent due to the low weight, and otherwise is like a current pro leopard. I don't have it to feel, and I've never been great at judging the plastic differences by touch anyway. If it is definitely champion, and therefore was misstamped, then it would typically have more than one stamp or the x-out/factory second stamp somewhere. I'd certainly try to find out more, though. The Pro Line Leopards have decent value (I had one, along with a champ-style Pro Firebird, and traded those along with a third disc for 4-5 discs in return...suffice it to say we both came away happy, and this was probably 5 years ago), but the Pro you can find now.

Oh, and Rick, about Disclanding stamped discs? I've got a CE Aero, clear, with just the DL (thrower only, not the word) logo. How many of those could there be out there? Not so much a question of value (you know how often I get rid of discs...Super Rocs not included), since it's well used (Zeb's name is on it, and I bought it from Kirk), just curious how rare it is? Both how many clear DL's, and whether there are any other DL CE Aeros, clear or not? Actually, for that matter, how rare are NON-clear CE Aeros? Most of mine are clear to some degree (and certainly not as gummy as Champ Aeros, so I'm pretty sure they aren't those), but only one is definitively opaque, and in my admittedly limited experience, I've never come across another like it. Thanks for any light you can shed!

Frank

So which is more likely, that this mystery disc is just a gummy champion leopard that got mis-stamped with a pro stamp, or a proline leopard that was sitting around without a stamp and had a pro stamp put on it when it was found because that's the stamp used at the time? It's a translucent blue, but I've had a few proline leopards in the past and none of them were translucent. I'm not too worried about it, the disc just feels really nice and I'm gonna throw it. I just would like to have some idea as to what it really is so I can track some more of them down.

I think I just didn't realize that the innova swoosh stamp has been around as long as it has. I had thought that the all of the older post CE pre champion discs were labeled proline, not pro also. Were CE leopards ever ran a greenish translucent color very similar to the green used in the pdga logo?

Does anyone know the time line for proto (bar stamp) and rainbow 8x rocs? From what I have heard the bar stamp (rectangular bar) were the first and then came the rainbow proto 8x's. Does anyone know when they were made and how many of each were made? I just got my first rainbow and am looking for a bar stamp proto and a regular 8x roc so if anyone is looking to sell one please let me know.

'97 would have been the year KC won his 8th Worlds. So I would say they came out in
'98.

atreau3 may be able top help you out with some 8x Roc's, I got 3 different 8x Roc's from him a few months ago.

I'm looking for a 8X that had been dyed orange.

'97 would have been the year KC won his 8th Worlds. So I would say they came out in
'98.

atreau3 may be able top help you out with some 8x Roc's, I got 3 different 8x Roc's from him a few months ago.

I'm looking for a 8X that had been dyed orange.
Some of the 8Xs where orange from the factory

Some of the 8Xs where orange from the factory

I thought I read that they were dyed orange. Rarely do they come up for sale on eBay.

Colors other that white are rare for KC's of this time period. I have both a gold and a red KC Gazelle, and I think a red KC Eagle.

Flyn- I saw an Orange 8x in Final 9 Sports (I think it was Final 9) discs recently and they said it was factory dyed. When you touched the disc, your hands would turn orange from the dye.

I have also seen a yellow 8x with a rainbow stamp... very nice. It did not look dyed. The orange that I had was the exact same orange color as my proto aviar big bead with star stamp, so I don't think that was dyed either (although the discs were stored in plastic and I didn't feel them).

I bought either 16 or 18 8x last year... I think I have 6 left :( .

I'm pretty sure that someone asked dave this question years ago and he said there were no factory orange 8X ROCS. The only color they made were white. There were other molds made in different colors like the gold Gazelles, I have also seen a red 7X banshee and yellow 9X Gazelles.

And I was also under the impression that the Rainbow ROC came first, followed by the Bar stamped proto and then the regular production run 8X. There were however a test run of Ontarios made with the KC plastic that came before any of these. I had one in my possession for awhile before giving it to Wiggy.

Here's a picture of an orange 8x Roc. Some sweet Roc's of the Champ.

http://www.discgolftrader.com/kc/kc_roc.htm

what stamp did the test run ontarios have?

Id like to get one of those Screaming Kenny Rocs, if anyone is selling one anytime.

And I was also under the impression that the Rainbow ROC came first, followed by the Bar stamped proto and then the regular production run 8X. There were however a test run of Ontarios made with the KC plastic that came before any of these. I had one in my possession for awhile before giving it to Wiggy.


I have heard it that way and this way: The barstamps were KC 8x protos, the Rainbows were Rancho Protos.

I thought I read that they were dyed orange. Rarely do they come up for sale on eBay.

Colors other that white are rare for KC's of this time period. I have both a gold and a red KC Gazelle, and I think a red KC Eagle.

I have a red 8x Cheetah

There were red KC Eagles. I have a 9x that is red. Don't believe there was an 8x KC Eagle due to it coming out after the 9th championship was won. But someone else may know more about that.

Flyn- I saw an Orange 8x in Final 9 Sports (I think it was Final 9) discs recently and they said it was factory dyed. When you touched the disc, your hands would turn orange from the dye.

I've seen this when people try to 'make' orange 8x rocs. The true orange ones didn't stain your hands.

what stamp did the test run ontarios have?

They were blank with "test run" written in pencil on top of the flight plate. the one I gave to Wiggy had the pencil mark removed by me but you could make out the slightest indentation of where it was written.

I have heard it that way and this way: The barstamps were KC 8x protos, the Rainbows were Rancho Protos.

That could be the case also. The only thing about the rainbows though was they were not made with regular DX plastic. I've also owned star stamped and bar stamped ranchos. All DX and nothing like the rainbows. Might have to mosey on over to the ask Dave thread and see if he can shed some light.

What makes a Disc Collectable !

Rare,Old Some 1st Runs,Highly sot after. Small amount of a certain run IE: Innova Big Star Stamp 1st Runs not so much any more unless a rare color. Star Stamp Destroyers are going for $30 plus I bought 11 when they came out. I sold 9 between $25-$40 Kept 2 for the bag

What makes a Disc Collectable !

Someone out there has to want it. If no one wants it then it's worthless no matter how rare it is. The more people that want it, the more collectible it becomes.

Someone out there has to want it. If no one wants it then it's worthless no matter how rare it is. The more people that want it, the more collectible it becomes.


Almost sounds like a Art Auction.

Almost sounds like a Art Auction.

Or collectible cars, baseball cards, comic books, antique furniture etc.....

I own a test shot streamliner with a hand signed note from Steady Ed. One 10 first test shots and the only one we could determine that was still unthrown.
Put it on ebay at one time to get an idea with a starting price of $499. No nibbles, not even any questions about the disc and if I remember right, less than 100 views.
Yet people were paying $400 + at the same time for the 1st run Champion Destroyers of which aproximately 2000 were made.

The disc now sits down in the Steady Ed museum at the IDG center.

And one more funny story that comes to mind. Back around early 2004 I put a mint hands on Aviar up for auction. Purple with yellow stamp - 175. It ended at $195. I'm thinking wow, I've got a few more of these. So I wait a few weeks as to not flood the market and then put up another. Mint, yellow with purple stamp - 175, the negative of the other. It only brings in about $50.

So it's basicaly a crap shoot everytime you try to sell something. You have to have the right disc, at the right time with the right people actually looking for it at that moment.

I think there was 1 person who was trying to buy ALL the star stamped destroyers.Not sure why , but that sent the price sky high. I wonder what he did with all of those?

I think there was 1 person who was trying to buy ALL the star stamped destroyers.Not sure why , but that sent the price sky high. I wonder what he did with all of those?

I think it was Donny Oslow. But it just proves what I said earlier about something only being collectible if someone out there wants it. And it doesn't matter how rare of common the disc is.

Ask Him. Thats Quickdisc^

It's Donny Olow. I know he bought them. I was just kidding. But I was wondering what he did with them because I heard he gave a bunch away. I need more friends like that!!

It's Donny Olow. I know he bought them. I was just kidding. But I was wondering what he did with them because I heard he gave a bunch away. I need more friends like that!!


Yes , that was me !!! :) I was Invited to Lots of Birthday Parties and such. Hooked up alot of folks . Supported many Tournaments and fundraisers too.

I did sell a set of 12 different colors with the same stamp to a collector. Undisclosed amount. I just tell you I had to file a tax return on that sale.

It's Donny Olow. I know he bought them. I was just kidding. But I was wondering what he did with them because I heard he gave a bunch away. I need more friends like that!!


Yes , that was me !!! :) I was Invited to Lots of Birthday Parties and such. Hooked up alot of folks . Supported many Tournaments and fundraisers too.

I did sell a set of 12 different colors with the same stamp to a collector. Undisclosed amount. I'll just tell you I had to file a tax return on that sale.

It's Donny Olow. I know he bought them. I was just kidding. But I was wondering what he did with them because I heard he gave a bunch away. I need more friends like that!!


Yes , that was me !!! :) I was Invited to Lots of Birthday Parties and such. Hooked up alot of folks . Supported many Tournaments and fundraisers too.

I did sell a set of 12 different colors with the same stamp to a collector. Undisclosed amount. I'll just tell you I had to file a tax return on that sale.

I Had 53 Star Stamped Champion Destroyers at one time though. I have 3 left.

Are you looking for more?

I want some 1st run Champ Ds and the Star Stamp Star Destroyers Anyone?

I'm going to keep these.

I'm going to keep these.

Don't blame ya there I have 2 of the Bar Stamps. Im throwing them. They are way better IMO then the Champ Destroyers out now wish they where the same as the 1st runs

check out some cool collectables here...

http://www.discgolfflymart.com/classicplastic.html

check out some cool collectables here...

http://www.discgolfflymart.com/classicplastic.html

Bart, the "1985 PDGA World Championships Golf Disc 171 MINT", the only disc I have seen with that stamp was a Discraft Phantom Plus Proto, it seems to fit your description also.

http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/~wdgc/wdgc85.html

Mine is lavender, only 300 total made.

I'll be looking to buy / trade for the MIA/POW 2010 USDGC Roc's to complete the set of 5.I don't know which one I will be recieving, but will be looking for the other 4 discs once they are released.

http://wdgc.home.comcast.net/~wdgc/wdgc85.html

Mine is lavender, only 300 total made.

I have one of the pink DGA Streamliner putters. I won it in a ring of fire years ago in Tulsa. With only 300 made, it makes since that all the guys from Tulsa wanted to get there hands on it.

Anybody Know Anyone who may want to sell a DGA Gummy Pink Chainchomper ?

is there any way to tell if this fb is a 1st run? ive heard that the 1st runs were red and i also read that they were FL's. any confirmation of this? ive never really thought about it til now

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t182/djpurplesprite/discs/IMG_4293.jpg

this one is marked FL outside of the circle

I'll check my first runs tonight... but from the looks of the pic, the disc is red/orange...

my first runs are dark BLOOD red.

Is is just the pic?

If the disc is red/ orange, it may still be a first run, but I'd lean towards a red/yellow mixed 3rd run (or late 2nd).

it's definitely the pic. It's actually a darker red.very opaque

My question would be more around the stamp than the color. Not sure if that was one of the colors available on the 1st Runs. It looks pretty glittery.

I had glittery 1st run TLs and Valks just like that and red ones

look on the bottom. is the letter "F" on the outside of the inner circle where the weight is? then its probably a first run. if its on the inside of the inner mold circle with the weight, then its not a first run.

FL is on the outside of the circle. The weight is inside the circle. I wanna say I read somewhere that all the first runs were FL's but I could be wrong.

i think your right. id have to pull down the 1st run i got off the wall to see if its an fl or just an f. its probably an fl. i know they also did fx and f in the later runs.... inside the circle.

yea I looked at he rest of my stack and this is my only FL,and the only one with the mold marked outside the circle. All others : fx,f are marked inside.

I'll be looking to buy / trade for the MIA/POW 2010 USDGC Roc's to complete the set of 5.I don't know which one I will be recieving, but will be looking for the other 4 discs once they are released.

PM Sent. I'll most likely trade mine, but I'm not certain because I haven't seen them yet...

need a new 9x Roc... for my collection.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1st-Run-Pro-Aviar-Innova-Disc-Golf-CE-MINT-175g-/290448082067?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a00e0493

Any one know if this is real or dyed?

http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1st-Run-Pro-Aviar-Innova-Disc-Golf-CE-MINT-175g-/290448082067?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a00e0493

Any one know if this is real or dyed?

The stamp is correct for a first run, but I have never seen one in black. By the look if this disc its the correct plastic also.. the first run Avairs were a strange blend of pro plastic that I have not found with other older pro disc.. they almost have a stiff star fill to them.

If it is a dye job then its a **** good one. You can see the sheen on the disc that a dye job will normally dull. The sheen is also correct for this type of pro plastic. Price seems kinda high as you can find first run white ones for around $25.. As a collector I would not pay over $35-$40 for this disc and that would only be if I could see it in person.

I say its real and rare, but not worth $65. The seller is also legit.

Member id makeyourself0705 ( Feedback Score Of 262)
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-Chris Adams

The seller is a friend of mine... he and I talk regularly to share disc golf finds...

I can talk to him and verify whether it is dyed or factory...

Nate is a good guy and usually accepts offers on his plastic.

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The stamp is correct for a first run, but I have never seen one in black. By the look if this disc its the correct plastic also.. the first run Avairs were a strange blend of pro plastic that I have not found with other older pro disc.. they almost have a stiff star fill to them.

If it is a dye job then its a **** good one. You can see the sheen on the disc that a dye job will normally dull. The sheen is also correct for this type of pro plastic. Price seems kinda high as you can find first run white ones for around $25.. As a collector I would not pay over $35-$40 for this disc and that would only be if I could see it in person.

I say its real and rare, but not worth $65. The seller is also legit.

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I have several of these and yes the shine is true as can be. I by NO means was trying to bash this seller. I have looked at his feedback and he is a great seller.
I took one and Dyed it and it came out looking like almost factory done.
atreau3 that would be cool if you could talk to him.
Thanks for the feed back guys. Pretty Sick Disc

I did talk to him...

He said that he was unsure whether it was dyed or not...

"the flight plate seems as if it were done by the factory, but the bottom of the disc has more of a "flat black" color."

In the past, I've seen these pro aviars that have a "sheen" to the tops, while the bottom is a bit more muted. When they first came out, I got several pro aviars, and all where shiny on top. I actually had to work the plastic quite a bit to get the slick shine off, and beneath it was super grippy... The only problem with those aviars was how sharp the bead was.

Looking for Kitty Hawks, #7 Night Flyer, Rock N Roller and a yellow 2002 USDGC Roc

atreau3 How did you get the Sheen of the Aviar. They are kinda slick but I love the tackyness. I have one that was used for awhile and the Sheen is gone but on the new ones i have it obviously is still there. Ya the bead is sharp. Little bit of time in a gravel parking lot takes care of that. Thanks for the INFO

Looking for Kitty Hawks, #7 Night Flyer, Rock N Roller and a yellow 2002 USDGC Roc

good luck on the # 7 night flyer. ive been looking for one since 2005 and havent run across one yet. :(

atreau3 How did you get the Sheen of the Aviar. They are kinda slick but I love the tackyness. I have one that was used for awhile and the Sheen is gone but on the new ones i have it obviously is still there. Ya the bead is sharp. Little bit of time in a gravel parking lot takes care of that. Thanks for the INFO
At that time (I think this was back in 2005-2006...)

I would wash the disc in my kitchen sink with dish soap and dry it really well with a microfiber towel... that seems to get the disc to my liking...
there has been a lot of discussions recently about post production modifications. IMO, washing and drying a disc does not constitute a modification, but I guess that can be debated...

good luck on the # 7 night flyer. ive been looking for one since 2005 and havent run across one yet. :(

I've been buying on eBay since 1999 and have only seen 2, maybe 3, #7 Night Flyers for sale. They have always been a part of a set of 8.

I've been buying on eBay since 1999 and have only seen 2, maybe 3, #7 Night Flyers for sale. They have always been a part of a set of 8.

yup, rick black had a set on there if i remember. i actually had one in my hands from ebay, but at the time (2003) it was mis-represented, and had a bunch of nicks and dings on it, so sent it back. stupid me.

Ahart sold a set to Mike at Sandypoint about 7 years ago. Mike may have sold that set.

Ahart told me this would be the most difficult NF to find in mint condition.

At that time (I think this was back in 2005-2006...)

I would wash the disc in my kitchen sink with dish soap and dry it really well with a microfiber towel... that seems to get the disc to my liking...
there has been a lot of discussions recently about post production modifications. IMO, washing and drying a disc does not constitute a modification, but I guess that can be debated...

If washing your discs is considered modification then I am gulity. I do this after a rainy round and or when they get real muddy and then the mud dries. I give my discs a bath once a month or so just to get the grime off them. Clean disc is a happy disc

If washing your discs is considered modification then I am gulity. I do this after a rainy round and or when they get real muddy and then the mud dries. I give my discs a bath once a month or so just to get the grime off them. Clean disc is a happy disc


I was more referring to the "heavy drying" with the micro fiber towel...

Looking for a yellow and a orange '83 Worlds Eagle with the Shuttle stamp. Also, any color Mungazine stamped Eagle.

I have maybe a couple of these left.

Got any with the football stamp?

Got any with the football stamp?

No Eagle's with the Football stamp. I beleive the first Football stamps were on the Pat Pend Aero and Aviar.

Got any with the football stamp?

My bad, put my glass's on and noticed his pic was of a Champion Destroyer.

Did any 10x aviars have a swoosh stamp or were they all bar stamped?

Okay, this finally confirms my suspicion about the mysterious 1 1/2 run CE Teebirds. The first runs are a distinct blood red dense plastic. The 2nd runs are a dense dayglo yellow with the third runs being slightly more see through. This is a picture of a recently acquired what I thought was a first run. This one has the double ripple nipple on top that the 1st runs didn't have but the 1 1/2 did. Either way, the lip on these was different and the pronounced nipple on top was only on this run. Being that this one is made out of the undeniable blood red 1st run CE plastic, I'm sure these nipple discs are an oddball run that slid in between the 1st and 2nd run. Sorry to rant, just excited to finally get some evidence to my theory.

random

Valid

Did any 10x aviars have a swoosh stamp or were they all bar stamped?

To my knowledge all 10x AViars and Rocs had the Bar Stamp not the swosh. Thats how used ones get identified if you cant see the writing below the Bar.

ANy one know what a 9X KC Pro Firebird is worth these days? Unthrown 172g has a mark from storage but other than that it is pretty mint. I'd trade it for 2-11X KC Aviars new or used as long as they aren't beat or warpped

ANy one know what a 9X KC Pro Firebird is worth these days? Unthrown 172g has a mark from storage but other than that it is pretty mint. I'd trade it for 2-11X KC Aviars new or used as long as they aren't beat or warpped

For some reason they don't go for much. I hear even though they're flat, they are a little flippy. I see them going on eBay for around $25-$35 shipped.

The 10x hybrids are the only ones that go for much money.

I did sell a 9x for over $60 like 3 years ago. I was shocked. None past $40 after that though.

looking for "Ring of rocs"

I can help you if you have deep pockets. I have a clear, unpigmented one. Make a serious offer.

For some reason they don't go for much. I hear even though they're flat, they are a little flippy. I see them going on eBay for around $25-$35 shipped.

Ok so I would take one 11X Aviar for this 9X Firebird. Any one willing to help a Brother out? Vegan?

is there much demand for champ 11x aviars and champ sharks? i know of a few sitting around and didn't know if there is much trade/sell demand for these.

is there much demand for champ 11x aviars and champ sharks? i know of a few sitting around and didn't know if there is much trade/sell demand for these.

Innova is running champion sharks again so probally no collector value right now. However if you have the original CFR/CE Sharks then there is a market for those. The originals were as stable as the CE ROCS and just as durable.

these are regular stock stamped sharks so probably not worth the effort. my local club has been known to have some buried diamonds in the rough. i scored an 11x teebird for 12 bucks a few months ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-USDGC-Champion-CE-Roc-Innova-Disc-Golf-/250678705866?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

Sweet blood red 2010 USDGC Roc. There are 5 on eBay, all different stamps and are the #1 disc of each stamp. Great artwork.

I would like to get an opinion on a few disc's. Need to know what run and what price you think I can get for them. I am trying to sale them for a friend and we have a difference of opinion as to what I can get for them.

First up:

CE FX Firebird
http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a411/tndiscgolf/Beck/fb_f.jpg
It shows 168g.. Has been thrown.. Has ink.. 8 out of 10.

CE TeeBird TL
http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a411/tndiscgolf/Beck/tb_f.jpg
It shows 174g.. Has been thrown.. No ink.. Still has flashing 9 out of 10.

CHAINS AVIAR
http://i1033.photobucket.com/albums/a411/tndiscgolf/Beck/SMA_f.jpg
It shows 175g.. never thrown.. MINT.. 10 out of 10.


If any of you can provide what run and aprox price that would be great.

Regards
-Chris A

Just my opinion:

FX- 4th run ( ? ) 30-40, used....possibly a little high.
TL- 3rd run ( ? ) 40-60, imo thats low, depends on use. Those TLs arent everywhere.
DX Aviar- New- 40-60, but dont be suprised if higher.

I would pay the most for the Aviar, then the TL, if I were buying them. The FX is actually pretty common, and looks like the Taffy run. They are good, but are all over.

So I just was outbid on that pow roc... Went for 1025. I bid 1000. Crazy!

In other news... Question for 01 clear roc collectors: I just received an original, unthrown, but part of the stamp dropped out, and it looks like the original owner filled in part of the dropout with black sharpee. It looks bad, and I noticed it within seconds of opening the package. This was not disclosed to me. What should I do? I assume this really lowers it's value. The disc is mint beyond the ink filling in the stamp (not counting the normal air bubbles in those clear discs...)

Send it back...

So I just was outbid on that pow roc... Went for 1025. I bid 1000. Crazy!

In other news... Question for 01 clear roc collectors: I just received an original, unthrown, but part of the stamp dropped out, and it looks like the original owner filled in part of the dropout with black sharpee. It looks bad, and I noticed it within seconds of opening the package. This was not disclosed to me. What should I do? I assume this really lowers it's value. The disc is mint beyond the ink filling in the stamp (not counting the normal air bubbles in those clear discs...)

So I just was outbid on that pow roc... Went for 1025. I bid 1000. Crazy!

In other news... Question for 01 clear roc collectors: I just received an original, unthrown, but part of the stamp dropped out, and it looks like the original owner filled in part of the dropout with black sharpee. It looks bad, and I noticed it within seconds of opening the package. This was not disclosed to me. What should I do? I assume this really lowers it's value. The disc is mint beyond the ink filling in the stamp (not counting the normal air bubbles in those clear discs...)
Thats nuts

Who ever sold you that 01 is shady Send it back thats just wrong. What did you pay for it?

I hope he wasn't being shady... I'm in over 4k with this seller over the past year.

I'll talk wih him today. I paid a fair price for the disc, but for my entire order I paid over 2600 (which included 15 10x tee birds, 12 flat top rocs, 11x firebirds, ce tee birds, 03 ce rocs, se rocs and more..

Proceeds to benefit EDGE - Educational Disc Golf Experience:

http://shop.ebay.com/discgolfvalues/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

it looks like the original owner filled in part of the dropout with black sharpee. It looks bad, and I noticed it within seconds of opening the package. This was not disclosed to me. What should I do? I assume this really lowers it's value. The disc is mint beyond the ink filling in the stamp (not counting the normal air bubbles in those clear discs...)

Maybe they did that at Zonedriven? One of my clear '01s has part of the stamp filled in with Sharpie too. Unless a bunch of the original owners all got together, or the same person owned our discs. (Which is possible too). I don't think it lowers the value at all. It's still a brand new unthrown disc. There are so few of these things that I think things like that shouldn't matter too much.

One person did own all of them at one point... Billy crump.

They could have been done by zd, but I should have been told about it.

That's my point.

Does your sharpie run outside the stamp?

I would be very unhappy with that, unless it was done by ZD. Otherwise, thats about the dumbest thing Ive heard of...maybe ever.

Get ahold of Crump he'd know for sure.

On another note,, I have a 2004 USDGC Roc Red Black Stamp "6 Stars" 176g any one know the worth.
Looking to trade it for value.

One person did own all of them at one point... Billy crump.

They could have been done by zd, but I should have been told about it.

That's my point.

Does your sharpie run outside the stamp?

Actually Billy was laying on a picnic table getting a some work done on his back by Kyle Maute when we opened the case of clear 01's. And to the best of my knowledge, there were none with sharpie markings on the stamp. Granted we didn't examine every one with a magnifying glass as we were trying to pick out discs for ouselves and this was almost 9 years ago. The one black stamp that i owned had no sharpie marks on it. Sold it to Kelly Watson and not sure if he still has it.

Is there part of the stamp that is black foil? If the answer is yes then the person to ask would be Trey Johnson as he is probally the one that stamped the discs at the east coast warehouse. He still works there.

As for value, if it's still unthrown I really couldn't see the value drop that much. Remember that a few were dyed over the years and still fetch good money as well as the ones that were thrown.

I found a couple of 5x Juliana Korver JK Pro Aviars in my stash.

I was if they are sought out disc? Or a collectors item? And what they might fetch?

Thanks

Im not sure, but dont think those are the ones people are after.

No it's the 3X people look for. You can still find the 5X in shops

Just wondering if anyone has any more info on these discs than what is offered on the site. Thanks!!

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=449

Just wondering if anyone has any more info on these discs than what is offered on the site. Thanks!!

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=449

What kinda info you looking for?

Definitely looks like usdgc partners will scoop up all of the rocs. Also looks like it will be ebay city.

Any thoughts on their collectability?

Definitely looks like usdgc partners will scoop up all of the rocs. Also looks like it will be ebay city.

Any thoughts on their collectability?

Id have to say the POW ones are gonna be the ones most wanted.
And the Nikko Gold Champ plastic is going to grab money from the looks it opaque Champ Plastic.

Id say pretty high. With every new release is another wave of collectors. Since they went down in numbers, Id say they will fetch more than anything since 04. The only reason anything from 05-09 is worth anyhting is short numbers and more collectors.

I had a question about the big bird DX ontario Rocs. I have one and was wondering what year they ran these. My buddy says he thinks that it is only 4 or 5 years old but i thought they were older than that. For reference it is blue DX ontario roc with a big bird in the circle stamp that says ROC on the left and Innova Champion Discs, Inc across the bottom of the circle. Thanks for your help.

Hmm maybe the Ontario was made b.t '93 and '98? The Big Bird stamp was used on all 3 DX molds.

Picked up a sweet '83 Worlds Shuttle Puppy tonight. Still looking for '83 Worlds Eagle's, Kitty Hawk's, and a Rock N Roller.

what's the scoop on the dx stamped champion rhynos? i've got a trade lined up for one but would like to know a bit more about it. any idea how long ago these were made and how tough they are to find? i've read of them online but haven't seen one firsthand.

Most, if not all I have seen have been dyed. They arent worth much more than a standard Rhyno. Someone told me or I read somewhere that those were done with that stamp because they were a stiffer version than what was out at the time.

Either way, $20-25. One run, could be worth something down the road.

yeah, this one is tie dye and gummy. i figured because of the stamp, tie dye, and gumminess i could trade/sell it off fairly easily.

Just came across three mint star stamped old school discs, that I was told were pre-rocs. Any clue what they are? Value?

The seller said they're like a cross between a roc and a shark. I have a pic, but just on the top. I'll see if I can get a profile pic.

Just came across three mint star stamped old school discs, that I was told were pre-rocs. Any clue what they are? Value?

The seller said they're like a cross between a roc and a shark. I have a pic, but just on the top. I'll see if I can get a profile pic.

Interasting Classic Roc Maybe? Curious to see what they are

Just came across three mint star stamped old school discs, that I was told were pre-rocs. Any clue what they are? Value?

The seller said they're like a cross between a roc and a shark. I have a pic, but just on the top. I'll see if I can get a profile pic.

Pre Roc with Star stamp could be an Aero, Ace, Hammer, or XD. I've never seen a Star stamped Aviar or Coupe.

Pictures

The seller said they're like a cross between a roc and a shark.

That sounds like a retooled Hammer.

I've got a patent pending Aviar, Star stamp hammer and footbal stamp roc...any idea what they are worth? Anyone interested?

just picked up this patent pending aviar... beautiful. might be the prettiest i have out of 50+


cant figure out my new macbook pro yet for pic uploads, but is a disc wares pink aviar with an old airplane stamp...

http://www.discgolfflymart.com/innova-1st-run-patent-pending-aviar-golf-disc-170911709.html

That disc could be one of the "2500" or whatever.

That is what I'm thinking... he say's it feels like a cross between a shark and a roc.

We'll see... I have four on their way.

oh, and he held it up to a hammer and they were different.

That disc could be one of the "2500" or whatever.

The 2500 were all pale yellow blanks.

Yeah I was reading backwards as far posts go. My bad. didnt realize they were star stamped.


Was the Hammer Head the retooled version? Were they the gummy ones?

Was the Hammer Head the retooled version? Were they the gummy ones?

First was the smaller diameter Hammer, then the retooled larger diameter Hammer. Just like was done with the Roc. The retooled Hammer did come out with the Star stamp.

The Hammer Head was only made at 180g, and was able to float. This one was only released with the stock stamp.

Was there 2 or 3 runs in the small diameter? Thanks for the insight, Hammers are a disc I know very little about.

Was there 2 or 3 runs in the small diameter? Thanks for the insight, Hammers are a disc I know very little about.

Not sure on how many runs were made in the smaller diameter. I have proto Hammer's with the Star and the Football stamps. Then was the mallet // basket stamp, and another that DTW made.

Wasn't around long before they retooled to the larger diameter. Maybe less than a year like the Roc.

Not sure on how many runs were made in the smaller diameter. I have proto Hammer's with the Star and the Football stamps. Then was the mallet // basket stamp, and another that DTW made.

Wasn't around long before they retooled to the larger diameter. Maybe less than a year like the Roc.

There had to be at least 2 runs. All of the first runs were that typical maroon color Innova used back then. The next run included white, blue, and light orange that I have, maybe more that I'm not aware of.

Where does the wedge fit into that? Was there a "small hammer" version and a "Thors Hammer" version or are they the same disc? I had a wedge and also a small hammer, which I was told was a first run. I have none now, sold them a few years ago.

Wow. In my dreams this will sell.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/PROTO-CE-TEEBIRD-TB-RARE-BAR-LOGO-GOLF-DISC-/260651876390?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb0100026


The first one of these I ever saw had a red stamp. It belonged to Yeti. Ive yet to see another until now.

Where does the wedge fit into that? Was there a "small hammer" version and a "Thors Hammer" version or are they the same disc? I had a wedge and also a small hammer, which I was told was a first run. I have none now, sold them a few years ago.

That's a good question. I would think before the larger diameter, but didn't see one until later in the 90's. I have never compared the wedge with the mallet.

fellow golfers,i hope i dont step on anyones toes ,but I couldnt figure how to post a new thread. I go to flea markets and garage sales to collect knives,watches ,and frisbees. Around a month ago ,I bought this really cool frisbee that looks like a whamo wtih a round metal plate in the middle and it rotates around small ball bearings. This disc was made to spin on your finger and it spins for a long time. How collectible is it and anyone know the value on it? thnx.

Too the metal plate doesn't have a bowl on it. A BuzzBee would be worth at least $100. Got a picture? Sounds like a novelty disc.

A BuzzBee would be worth at least $100.

Really?!?! :eek: I need to hit Ebay, then. I have four in various hues, including a pristine un"throw"n black one.

says on the disc"trick spin disc is a trademark of ultra-sports inc.". " 1987 ultra-sports inc.garden grove calif. 92640 "and then it has a patent no..on it . The flip side it has a paper attached with instructions how to do tricks and bragging how well it is made. Nice frisbee and nice turquoise color. Since i bought it ,I have been playing with it ;I feel like a seasoned freestlyer.

Really?!?! :eek: I need to hit Ebay, then. I have four in various hues, including a pristine un"throw"n black one.

The last new one I saw went for 150ish

Anyone have any info on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270628178107&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_542wt_920
Just won it last night....

Anyone have any info on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270628178107&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_542wt_920
Just won it last night....

I saw it and just figured someone removed the stamp, but maybe it is a real ghost stamp

Anyone have any info on this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270628178107&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_542wt_920
Just won it last night....

It appeares someone removed the stamp. If it's real, then it's a keeper.

The seller is Brian Mace, famed dg promoter and usdgc volunteer. It has been rumored that over the years thatinnova and zonedriven have made special discs for him as a thank you. I'm hoping this disc is one of them.

Weird never seen one or heard of one of those before

It looks more raised/pronounced than a removed stamp

The seller is Brian Mace, famed dg promoter and usdgc volunteer. It has been rumored that over the years thatinnova and zonedriven have made special discs for him as a thank you. I'm hoping this disc is one of them.

It's legit. And Mace has been a staff member at the USDGC from it's inception doing eveything from hanging rope to running the Official USDGC pro shop. And you're right about him having some special discs made up in the early years, most notable the 01 RED CE"S with the Mace man stamp. At the time noone knew the ROCS would become what they are today.

This is also how we got the green 01's with the Disclanding stamp. Zeb Campbell was one of the original owners of DL and also an employee with Innova. In those first few years there were only 3 retail sponsors. Lynx, Mace and us. I've still got a few treasures like this stashed away.

Then that's one smoken deal!

:). !

Looking for a DGA Wally.

http://www.discgolfsweden.se/discar/discar_sokdisc_eng.aspx?DiscId=1721

looking for some usdgc throwers? anyone got any to sell?

It's legit. And Mace has been a staff member at the USDGC from it's inception doing eveything from hanging rope to running the Official USDGC pro shop. And you're right about him having some special discs made up in the early years, most notable the 01 RED CE"S with the Mace man stamp. At the time noone knew the ROCS would become what they are today.

This is also how we got the green 01's with the Disclanding stamp. Zeb Campbell was one of the original owners of DL and also an employee with Innova. In those first few years there were only 3 retail sponsors. Lynx, Mace and us. I've still got a few treasures like this stashed away.

So... This disc came in the mail today...







It IS in fact a pure embossed/ ghost stamp 2003 big bird roc. I've looked at and felt the ghost stamp for a while tonight and it is amazing.

Thank you Mace Man!!!

So... This disc came in the mail today...







It IS in fact a pure embossed/ ghost stamp 2003 big bird roc. I've looked at and felt the ghost stamp for a while tonight and it is amazing.

Thank you Mace Man!!!

yup its for real, i got one on ebay a while back and sent an email to that roccollector.com site to find out about it and they knew nothing about it..... no one seems to know anything about it..... just that they are out there.....somewhere....

Ok, which one of you #$%^&* bought this? I was hoping to get it for my birthday...but for $381 that ain't gonna happen. Was it worth it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270631944986&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Not me...

Ok, which one of you #$%^&* bought this? I was hoping to get it for my birthday...but for $381 that ain't gonna happen. Was it worth it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270631944986&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Sure it was thats a rare one

Ok, which one of you #$%^&* bought this? I was hoping to get it for my birthday...but for $381 that ain't gonna happen. Was it worth it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270631944986&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I quit at $290. Sweet disc, would have been nice with my blank blueberry. I did win the 10x Roc he was selling.

I was the second bid at $376. I've also got a blank blueberry. Not too worried about not winning it though, saved me about $400. Also, I've been thinking about selling off a lot of my collection anyway.

I was thinking on pulling the trigger on the 10x Roc. Oh well.

I was at 301 with a few seconds left, but was bouncing back and forth to the 1st Run Red San Marcos stamped. Im not really into Valks but that one I wanted. I got the red w a great deal. At least I got one...

I was the second bid at $376. I've also got a blank blueberry. Not too worried about not winning it though, saved me about $400. Also, I've been thinking about selling off a lot of my collection anyway.

[email protected]

...If you like money. Or plastic, I guess.

Had a friend over the weekend show me an odd disc that he has called "The Deuce" guess it was Discrafts 2nd disc made. Anyone seen one or have an idea of price range?

Yeah, they pop up every now and again. There is one on Ebay, I think it was in the $20-30 range.

Had a friend over the weekend show me an odd disc that he has called "The Deuce" guess it was Discrafts 2nd disc made. Anyone seen one or have an idea of price range?

Deuce was made after the Phantom series of discs. Wright Life has one on eBay now. I wouldn't pay more than $20 for one. That old plastic is sort of like CE.

All the Deuces I had were waxy D plastic

Deuce was made after the Phantom series of discs. Wright Life has one on eBay now. I wouldn't pay more than $20 for one. That old plastic is sort of like CE.

If you'd only pay $20 whats this guy thinking
http://cgi.ebay.com/Signed-90-Arizona-PDGA-WORLDS-Discraft-DEUCE-Disc-Golf-/330471022381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf19b9f2d

If you'd only pay $20 whats this guy thinking
http://cgi.ebay.com/Signed-90-Arizona-PDGA-WORLDS-Discraft-DEUCE-Disc-Golf-/330471022381?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf19b9f2d

I think some Sellers just like to show what they have in their collection. Sort of like that set of glow Roc's. That will never sell.

prototype 2 quarter k. I bought this disc w/o any markings at all. Supposedly ,5-6 were made . Any interest from anyone? thnx.

Are they free? Just kidding.

That was Climos player package disc...still not sure Id go to 1000 on it though. Take away a zero and maybe.

"Innova Champion KC "18 Time" Pro Roc Golf Disc. This is the 10 Time KC Roc that has all the flight characteristics of the original 8 Time KC Roc's. It is a heavily sought after version of the KC Roc's among many of the Top Disc Golf Pro's"

I saw this about one of mace mans 10x rocs on Ebay. How can you tell if a 10X has those characteristics? I have a few mint 10x's and was curious if I have one. Maybe the one with the flying eye stamp...

"Innova Champion KC "18 Time" Pro Roc Golf Disc. This is the 10 Time KC Roc that has all the flight characteristics of the original 8 Time KC Roc's. It is a heavily sought after version of the KC Roc's among many of the Top Disc Golf Pro's"

I saw this about one of mace mans 10x rocs on Ebay. How can you tell if a 10X has those characteristics? I have a few mint 10x's and was curious if I have one. Maybe the one with the flying eye stamp...

this is how it was explained to me..applys to 10x too

this is how it was explained to me..applys to 10x too

Can't do anything with that File. Wont even let me click on it

I remember when the '18x' Roc came out. A lot of people selling 10x were calling all their inventory 18x's, mostly in error.

Can't do anything with that File. Wont even let me click on it

Same here.

I downloaded and opened the file. Interesting info, haven't pulled out an 8x roc to compare and verify against 10x or 11x yet.

http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww115/CodyFLee/18xRoc.jpg

Wasnt there something about the center also? Like a dented center or something?

[QUOTE=T I saw this about one of mace mans 10x rocs on Ebay. [/QUOTE]

Arrived today, sweet solid disc.

The most important thing to know about those rocs is the 8x's break very easy and the 10x's don't.

I have broke a 10X and a 8X just this year AAAAHHHH.

Any one have a beat 8X they wanna part with?

Just looked at my New 10X its a "18X" and I have 4 11Xs that are the 8X Mold.

Gip, pm me... I've got two nicely used 8x here...it might just work out... I didn't get your package sent today, came home late from work...

:)

I think I counted 173 added to the collection....

Can't do anything with that File. Wont even let me click on it

glad someone got it to open...i spent a hour just getting the zip file to post, everything else i tried the file was to large. i believe Robert Humprey made and gave me that info a couple years ago.. i went and bought a bunch of 11x's right before Kenny won his 12th, think i have about 20 11x 8x rocs sitting my shelf, all super stiff and have the quarter size dimple on top.

I downloaded and opened the file. Interesting info, haven't pulled out an 8x roc to compare and verify against 10x or 11x yet.

i have a 10x of each version and the reg 10x is much more flippy pretty much junk into a wind

Gip, pm me... I've got two nicely used 8x here...it might just work out... I didn't get your package sent today, came home late from work...

No prob. PM sent

Hey all, i am trying to find some info about an old DGA frisbee. It is marked Disc Golf association on the bottom in raised letters. The address is also there. THe top side has a stamp from some camp, camp sugar pines. There are no flight rings on the top. Its yellow. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I will try and get a pic up. it Is deeper than most of the golf discs. Thanks in advance.

:)

I think I counted 173 added to the collection....

Thanks. NOw I can't stand up without getting embarrassed.

Hey all, i am trying to find some info about an old DGA frisbee. It is marked Disc Golf association on the bottom in raised letters. The address is also there. THe top side has a stamp from some camp, camp sugar pines. There are no flight rings on the top. Its yellow. Does this sound familiar to anyone? I will try and get a pic up. it Is deeper than most of the golf discs. Thanks in advance.

Could it be a Kitty Hawk which is very close to a Super Puppy in design? No flight rings and a deep rim. I don't recall seeing a yellow Kitty Hawk, usually orange, white or green.

I might be able to help seeing a photo.

haha :/

Adding a '01 yellow ODOC Roc and a '04 glo Battle Roc with a Rainbow stamp to my collection. Early bday present to myself.

Adding a '01 yellow ODOC Roc and a '04 glo Battle Roc with a Rainbow stamp to my collection. Early bday present to myself.


Havent seen many Battle Rocs with the Rainbow stamp. Sweet. Happy B-Day.

Havent seen many Battle Rocs with the Rainbow stamp. Sweet. Happy B-Day.

I was told that 5 of these Rainbow stamped Roc's exist.

Just picked up a few discs today as well... Happy bday to us! Pics to follow...

Happy Birthday. Sell me something, Ill pretend its mine as well!

Anyone know what a mint original Great Holes disc set of 6 is worth?

Anyone know what a mint original Great Holes disc set of 6 is worth?

The SM Roc is worth the most, $30 to $50. Rest are like $15 to $20, frisbeerancher sells a lot of these.

I'm curious to know if there is any interest in the 2005 Inncolor Sponsor ROC. 16 made with 11 released. These don't trade hands that often and there may be one up for sale.

i agree. i only know of one that is for sale "for the right price". The best price I have been able to find is $1000.

I was wondering if it would fetch as much as a clear 2001. There are some nice Roc's out there now for sale. I recently picked up a ODOC '01 and a rainbow stamped Battle Roc.

i think because it is inncolor it would not fetch as much as an 01 even though it is more rare. It seems that inncolor has HORRIBLE resell value no mater what design it is stamped with or how rare it is.

Thinking somone who may want to remain anonymous paid nearly $1300 in his quest for one a couple of years ago. Definately rarer than the 01 in the fact that these were never offered for sale at any time. Just given away. I offered $400 to Michel Jo's brother less than 2 hours after he got his from Innova and he passed.

The one I'm talking about is still with the original owner and has never traded hands. We all know him and his company. I talked to him this weekend about it and brought up the fact that he may be in the market to sell and wanted to know if I was interested. I delined but told him I would put some feelers out there to guage interest.

If I hit powerball, I will totally buy it and any other 01 rocs he has.

I'm looking for a clear 01, a red 01 and a feathers 03...

I'm looking for a clear 01, a red 01 and a feathers 03...

Ron Perkins has both the Feathers and clear 2001 for sale on Facebook. ZD has a clear ending today on eBay.

Clear 2001 sold last night for over $1600.

does anyone have any little wing (mini roc) stamp ontario rocs they would sell? Im also looking for any older ontario or san marino rocs with cool stamps like the up time, big bird, or old tourney stamp stuff. If anyone has anything like this they would sell or trade please let me know.

Just traded my extra Ontario Little Wing, have a gummy Star though.

As someone trying to get in to the collecting scene, I'm having trouble finding ways to acquire collectible plastic. It's hard for me since I don't have much to offer in the way of trades. I also find people are either unwilling to part with their stuff for cash or overvalue it so much that it isn't worth it to purchase. How did you long time collectors start building your collection?

I got an '87 San Marino for sale....


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220679376716&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

As someone trying to get in to the collecting scene, I'm having trouble finding ways to acquire collectible plastic. It's hard for me since I don't have much to offer in the way of trades. I also find people are either unwilling to part with their stuff for cash or overvalue it so much that it isn't worth it to purchase. How did you long time collectors start building your collection?

Learn who the players are, network with them here, Facebook, and other discussion groups. I finished a complete set of HOF discs right here on this discussion board. I've also got some harder to find discs here, white Coupe and yellow 2002 Roc.

Try to settle into one catagory. I collect everything flying disc. If I were starting now I would collect USDGC Roc's , Eagle's from 1983 and CE.

Watch eBay to see what the bottom and top is for the discs you want to collect. Then you'll know when to buy and when to pass.

Here is a link to the collectable aisle in my store....you can view a 1st Run Patent Pending Aviar, Star stamp Hammer, 9 time eagle, 8 Time Cheetah, 1st Run CE Valk from the Players package of the first USDGC, and 40 or so more....


http://www.discgolfflymart.com/classicplastic.html

Looking for Kitty Hawks, new or used.

I thought those USDGC Valks werent 1st Runs?

I thought they were 2nd runs. That's when they started doing all the fly dye ones.

Wow, $100 bucks for a KC 8 Cheetah, $75 or a KC 9? Seems like a lot, but if so I should sell the ones I have in the basement.

It is a lot

There is a lot of debate regarding the 2001 usdgc ce valk... some say 1st, some say 2nd, most say 3rd or 4th. Based on the timeline, I think it's definitely not 1st, probably not second...

Without getting into a long disertation, 2nd Runs where very flat and mostly yellow... some had a 2001 BG Open stamp on it. BG open in 2001 was run in 3/31/01...USDGC was 10/10/01 plenty of time to get another run or two in...

Mace swears it's a 4th Run.

There is a lot of debate regarding the 2001 usdgc ce valk... some say 1st, some say 2nd, most say 3rd or 4th. Based on the timeline, I think it's definitely not 1st, probably not second...

Without getting into a long disertation, 2nd Runs where very flat and mostly yellow... some had a 2001 BG Open stamp on it. BG open in 2001 was run in 3/31/01...USDGC was 10/10/01 plenty of time to get another run or two in...

Mace swears it's a 4th Run.

Definately not a 1st run. Red and blue discs make horrible colors for dying. Number of other colors in 2nd run including yellow and white. While the USDGC did take place on 10/10/01, these discs were stamped and dyed well in advance. I was at the factory that summer and remember seeing the stacks of them back near where they originally kept the clothes. There were also stacks of these lime green blank CE ROCS sitting on a table waiting to be stamped.

Funny thing. I sold a 3rd run USDGC CE Valk to Josh and within a week of getting it, it had suddenly became a 1st run. And his asking price was 5 times what he paid me for it through auction.

Funny thing. I sold a 3rd run USDGC CE Valk to Josh and within a week of getting it, it had suddenly became a 1st run. And his asking price was 5 times what he paid me for it through auction.


I guess thats funny...sounds more like shady, but hey.

Hey Channel Z , san marino rocs came out in '88, in '90 they went to the larger version. Max weight for the small ones was 175. 180 for the large ones. That stamp is from 94. I have a different stamped roc that says celebrating 10 years of Texas state on it and it is a revised stamp from the 1st Texas state that has a year on it of '85. Just thought you might like to know.

So what I'm gathering is that channelz's stuff is overpriced and not necessarily what he says it is?

I wouldnt say that, possibly just doesnt know everything. Some of those discs may be priced high, but they could also be his last ones. I have stuff I know is priced higher than it should be, but I have none left after they are gone.

Some collectors price things high and get what they are asking for. SOme price em high and with a bit of neogating will part with it for less. It all depends on what it is and how bad the seller wants to sell.
I just bought a sweet 1st Run Destroyer from channelz @ a fair price.

Thanks channelz

Anyone looking for old school Ontario and San Marino Rocs, shoot me a pm with your email address and I'll forward you pictures and prices for some fine all unused Rocs.

I would be interested in trading for some nicely used to beat max weight, original large San Marino rocs. My bag was stolen and I can't seem to find a nice hyzer fipper. I have some of everything that everybody would like, especially collectors stuff.

Shark, you should give EP Paulson a call.

Anyone have any SE Rhinos or Ching Tanks for sale/trade? Looking for max weight new preferably, but gently used is okay. Beat like Tina Turner, no thanks. I have tons to trade. Shoot me a pm with what you have and price and or what you would like in trade.

Just posted 11 discs from my collection, some are better than others but they include 3 Prototype Echo-Star Teebirds which I got from Feldberg earlier this summer :)

http://shop.ebay.com/farmersteve420/m.html

Other normal run discs are available from www.DiscGolf365.com/store including ESP Nukes, Stalkers, Buzzz's and Soft Magnets. Great prices on all!

Thanks!

Here are some Kittyhawks you may never see again. Price is too high, but these are really rare. My Fader 3 is a double stamp.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250717177418&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Please Check out George Spracklens Wooden Custom Trophys and Plaques !!! They Are Awesome.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Georges-Disc-Golf-Trophies/108310019234997

On Ebay now. 3 PROTO ROCS.

1 "rainbow" ROC
1 Black oily bar stamp Proto ROC
1 Proto SE Special Edition Super ROC

Also a test run Champion Groove and a set of 3 old school La Mirada Frisbee Club lids.

All mint. All rare. http://shop.ebay.com/rblack768/m.html

Liking those Roc's.

They're 3 real sweeties. Just trying to thin out some extras I have. And going to start getting rid of extra lids also. So if anyone is looking for something, let a fella know.

Okay, I am sure we have went over this before, but I am confused.

So those are both 8x KC Protos? I thought the CoC stamped was the Rancho Proto?

So these were both released at the same time, just with different stamps? So there was 4000 produced ( roughly ) total? 2000 of each stamp?

Okay, I am sure we have went over this before, but I am confused.

So those are both 8x KC Protos? I thought the CoC stamped was the Rancho Proto?

So these were both released at the same time, just with different stamps? So there was 4000 produced ( roughly ) total? 2000 of each stamp?

Chase here is my understanding. The Rainbow is the kc proto ROC and was the first batch done. The bar stamped batch came after. Something like a 2nd proto run. The numbers of 2000 come from a guess actually. Dave has said that when they release a "first run" bathc it fills a pallet. Depending on the diamater of the disc this usually means around 2000 +/-.

I do know the plastic is nothing like the dx plastic. Same feel as kc and the familiar white specs also found in the 8x and 9x rocs.

Here's some info from See ROC city .com

http://seeroccity.com/pick.cgi?gallery=n

Rainbow is in the upper right hand corner.

Black bar stamp is in the middle of the left hand column.

I also just got off the phone with Super and he confirms the 1st KC proto as the rainbow and the second release of the proto as the bar stamp. Not completely sure on exact numbers, as in were there 2000 total or 2000 with each stamp design.

Feldberg also talks about his KC proto "rainbow Roc" in one of his blogs on his site.

Okay, I have both so its all good. I just wanted to make sure the info I have on them is correct. Thanks!

Does anyone out there know roughly how many Orange 8x rocs were made?

Does anyone out there know roughly how many Orange 8x rocs were made?

I thought those were dyed. I'm looking for one for my collection.

Just wanted to see if anyone had any information about this 86 Softie - the year it is from, the stamp, value? Thanks in advance

Dan Mangone would know. He's the owner of Discovering the World.

I thought those were dyed. I'm looking for one for my collection.

hmmm. i had heard that they were not dyed. Paging Rick Black...

According to a question posed to Dave a few years back. Innova never made any orange 8X KC ROCS. These were all dyed. Not sure by who though. And apparently orange was not the only color. A friend and well known golfer from Augusta recently came into possession of a yellow 8X ROC. He showed it to KC who was in town for an event and even he had never seen one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA6_lIuPg0Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA6_lIuPg0Y

Great display and collection. I have one of those hand made Space Saucer with the packaging.

i found a champion rhyno at the local play it again sports store. it is a fly dye with the dx rhyno stamp on it. i was wondering about when it might have came out.

According to a question posed to Dave a few years back. Innova never made any orange 8X KC ROCS. These were all dyed. Not sure by who though. And apparently orange was not the only color. A friend and well known golfer from Augusta recently came into possession of a yellow 8X ROC. He showed it to KC who was in town for an event and even he had never seen one.


You sure it isnt a faded orange ?

Did Feldberg used to own that yellow 8X? That was the first and only one I've seen.

The only yellow 8x I've seen was on ebay a few years back. The seller also had an orange listed.