Congrats to Grandmasters Champion Davis Johnson!!!

Davis loses a 3-shot lead on hole 16 with a 7-4 swing and then gets it back with a 4-7 swing on hole 18. Pretty wild finish.

Val comes from 4 back at the start to win by 3 after taking the lead on pivotal hole 12.

Bennett 3'd hole 12!

First ever 3 on that hole?

Congrats to Vibram Open champion Avery Jenkins, who won by a whopping 7 strokes! :cool:

I did the ratings manually for the Final round and it played just one rating point "easier" than R2. Not sure the online unofficial ratings software does ratings for rounds called a Final but they will be done when we do them officially. The 54 by Bennett came in at 1062 vs 1064 for Feldberg in R1. A 62 rated 1004 in the Finals as additional reference for those trying to figure it out.

Having a last name starting with J was the key to winning...

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.

Anyone know who the Qualifiers for the USDGC were?

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.

Anyone know who the Qualifiers for the USDGC were?



Paul Ulibarri
Joe Mela
Jim Myers
Mitch Sonderfan
Jeb Bryant

Live video was the bomb.

Who can top this?

Godge pulls of another miracle.

s timm

it's great to see a major PDGA event happening in NEFA-land!

-Theo Pozzy



Seconded. Congratulations to TD Steve Dodge and his crew! :cool:

the weekend live was the bomb. talk about bars being set high. I mean high!

With the resourses you had to work with this weekend. All I can say is, job well done. Watched since Friday through all weekend, and enjoyed every bit of it. Can you imagine what the future holds for discgolf? This is only the beginning. Sleep tight tonight, you killed this weekend on the web, for the viewers. It was the best I have ever seen.

Peace,
RonStl

Bennett 3'd hole 12!

First ever 3 on that hole?



Jason Johnson 3'd hole 12 in the spring Maple Hill 3 tournament. Bennett was the second.

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.

They all started on hole 1 every day. That was the only hole for which par had any relevance under the rules.

There are PGA majors played on courses where par is artificially set to 72 and only a handful of players finish under par. Par starts every morning with a fixed meaning in the dictionary but rapidly loses its meaning when it ventures out to the real world. :D

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.



Our sport penalizes people based on par. For that very reason, getting an accurate par for a hole is VERY important.

Anyone who thinks par does not matter clearly does not understand the rules of the game.

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.



Our sport penalizes people based on par. For that very reason, getting an accurate par for a hole is VERY important.

Anyone who thinks par does not matter clearly does not understand the rules of the game.


This is an odd situation though. Where each hole has a properly set par for penalization purposes, but the total par for the course is lower than the sum of those numbers. In the end, as each hole has a properly set par, it really doesn't matter what that final number is.

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.



Our sport penalizes people based on par. For that very reason, getting an accurate par for a hole is VERY important.

Anyone who thinks par does not matter clearly does not understand the rules of the game.



I never heard the passage in the rules that said "thou shalt shoot under par", now I feel enlightened.

He's talking about people who show up late for a round

Courtesy of Lowe Bibby:


Why Disc Golf needs consistent par standards

1. To have a number that matches the reality of what expert players at each skill level (Gold, Blue, White, Red, Green) can expect to score on a hole.
2. Par is essential for comparing the difficulty of different courses.
2.1. Expectations of par affect your mental outlook. This comes into play when you play a new course. If Renaissance Gold is a par 54 then it's insanely hard, but if it's par 70 then it's not as tough.
3. To be able to compare scores on different courses.
4. People play with a certain par in their head anyway, and on older shorter courses they play as if many holes are par 2.
5. In tournaments when a player is late to know how many throws to assess.
6. Over/under scoring for spectators and the potential TV audience. A reason to have a hole by hole par established is to compare golfers on different holes. Climo is shooting -7 and Schultz -6 but Climo has played 2 more holes is easier (especially to TV viewers) than saying Climo is at 43 after 17 holes while Shultz is at 37 after 15
7. In tournaments such as Worlds with multiple courses you need par to be able to compare players in different pools playing different course.
8. To be able to determine handicaps.

I'm calling the course a 62. With 4 holes that are 3.5 and hole 12 which could be a 5. But in reality if hole 12 were just 35 feet shorter, I would have had 2 putts for 3 within 30 feet.

And I got a 2 on hole 6 the second round,

WoOHOO


62 seems like it would be right on.

But in reality if hole 12 were just 35 feet shorter, I would have had 2 putts for 3 within 30 feet.



And yet only two people have ever gotten a 3 on it? :confused:

All of the live action was awesome. Thanks for allowing those of us dreaming of being there feel like we were actually there at times.

WAY To Go PAT B. also a very nice deep payout in the open division

Notice that only four players in the entire tournament finish under "par." If par is set to 62 or 63, which is in accordance with the Scratch Scoring Average (SSA) of 62.5 obtained during the first two rounds (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7290&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open), then between 20 and 25 players in Open finish under par, which intuitively seems more accurate.



Does par change who won????? Give it a rest.



Our sport penalizes people based on par. For that very reason, getting an accurate par for a hole is VERY important.

Anyone who thinks par does not matter clearly does not understand the rules of the game.



That's a stupid rule, it should be changed. I like how the list above mentions this rule and then mentions a TV audience. I'd love to hear the announcer explaing why someone who showed up 30 minutes after the start is still allowed to compete.

Back on topic, the live feed and scoring was fantastic, nice work. Nice payout as well. Kudos.

I think the make the cut get paid way of going about how deep to payout is a great idea and would definately work for NT as well as local 2 day a tiers. I think if people knew they just had to make a cut it would give way more incentive for the top am1's to play open.

Nothing prevents TDs from trying cuts and deeper payouts for future events. It's common for our international events. On the other hand, when most players travel for the weekend they want to be able to play all rounds, especially when sharing rides. Most events don't have the sponsorship money to pay deeper and still reward the top players either.

Thanks for all the kudos, it is great to see that folks watched and enjoyed. We've updated the home page with some media links and a great pic of the putting slam in action.

http://www.maplehillopen.com/default.html

Thanks for a fun weekend Steve. Great job on forgetting to pay your water bill until Sunday after the rounds. It was pretty awful breaking down camp in the pouring rain and fitting it all in the van for the soggy ride home.

Congrats to Avery and Val and Davis for the wins. Looked at some of the video coverage, really cool stuff. Always nice to see the breakdown of scores for players hole by hole after a big event. Always loved taht about this tournament. This year it's a bonus as we get ratings thrown in to boot.

The Innovan Clan are all home safely. Hope everyone made it to their destination safely.

Great weekend for golf & fun. Cmaping is a blast with Frizzbeer & DDC (although I would never run that much). Thanx to Steve Dodge for the idea of this great event & a huge thanx to the Southwick family for opening their homes & property to all us goons. Thanx to a wonderful staff full of smiling, helpful faces - you help make this event GREAT! My 2nd time there & again as I left, I said to myself "I will be back here." Hope to see Maple Hill in 2009 - maybe with a few more Texans :)

Thanks Steve and all the staff! Best little event I've ever played - I love the love that goes into it!

We dropped Durco off in Ann Arbor, I'm home safe, and Travis is on his way! We'll see ya next year!!!

Maybe next year everyone who makes the cut can jump in the pond? A new shirt slogan even! Great ideas Steve!

Chuck, A good sidearm on hole 12 can you get you almost to the second rock wall. I ended up about 40 feet past the big stump in the fairway and 10 feet short of the second rock wall leaving me a 400 foot second shot to get to the pin. I ended up between the last 2 pines on my upshot leaving me about a 60 foot putt. I just missed around the right side of the chains.

If it was just 35 feet closer, I think you would have seen handful of 3's on it. It is just a little out of reach of most people. Also, the first shot requires about a 365 foot dead straight shot that is best if it fades to the right on the end of the flight. I am guessing this is what Geoff Bennett did to get the 3. I still can't believe I missed my putt. But at least I did get a 2 on hole 6 the second round!!

It's certainly possible 35 feet can make the difference in a lot more 3s. Normally, 35 feet means 0.10-0.15 change in scoring average on any hole. Sounds like a good hole that's an easy par 5 with an occasional eagle chance.

The scoring average for the entire tournament field in round 1,2, and 3 on hole#12 was 5.04, 5.20, and 5.13.

3 of the top 4 finishers (Jenkins, Feldberg, McCabe) took a 5 on it at least one round. Barry Schultz, 1029-rated and a multiple winner of Pro Worlds and the USDGC, took a 6 on it in the first round. 1024-rated Cale Leiviska, third at Pro Worlds last year and winner of National Tour and Supertour events, as well as 1022 rated Steve Brinster, also a winner of National Tour and Supertour events, both took a score of 5 on the hole every single round.

It's a bonafide pro par five hole.

The live coverage was sweet(the five minutes I saw). Congrats to the Jenkins Crew!

This is hilarious....


Anyone who thinks par does not matter clearly does not understand the rules of the game.



Is par in the rule book? I've never read it, serious question....how are you "penalized"? I thought total number of strokes was all that really matters. :confused:

Is par in the rule book? I've never read it, serious question....how are you "penalized"?


804.02

Ha! As soon as I posted that I remembered the par +4 rule. coming off a 103 hour work week...shouldn't be posting!

I watched the live feed almost all day Saturday and Sunday.

Saturday rocked when it worked! Sunday was pretty cool, but not nearly as cool as Saturday. It got old watching people make 20 foot putt after 20 foot putt.

My theory is the cameraman was worn out. Tripod on first tee and 18 green.

It was still fun to watch.


What would add to the entire thing. Have a computer in the clubhouse hooked up to the live feed. As the players came in and added their cards they could maybe take a few minutes and drop a line or two. The people in the chatroom would have loved it.

It's certainly possible 35 feet can make the difference in a lot more 3s. Normally, 35 feet means 0.10-0.15 change in scoring average on any hole. Sounds like a good hole that's an easy par 5 with an occasional eagle chance.



exactly Chuck - it's a good Par 5 with a chance at Eagle.
the course is a Par 63 with a couple of "tweener" par 3's that will average 3.5 or better. I felt like I was hovering around or below par all weekend. I witnessed an eagle on hole 16 (thrown in from 150ft) I chained out a 150ft eagle attempt on hole 12. Some holes are easy birdies and some have more chances at eagle than others - and if you ask me - par is determined more by what constitutes an eagle or birdie than by what everyone averages. pump your fist once it's a birdie, twice it's probably an eagle *(basic method)

why aren't the finals rated?

I watched the live feed almost all day Saturday and Sunday.

Saturday rocked when it worked! Sunday was pretty cool, but not nearly as cool as Saturday. It got old watching people make 20 foot putt after 20 foot putt.

My theory is the cameraman was worn out. Tripod on first tee and 18 green.

It was still fun to watch.


What would add to the entire thing. Have a computer in the clubhouse hooked up to the live feed. As the players came in and added their cards they could maybe take a few minutes and drop a line or two. The people in the chatroom would have loved it.



What happened on Sunday is that we had to decide between covering an extra card with a camera for the DVD vs. a mobile web cam. We elected for the long term footage on the DVD and made the web cam stationary.

Great idea for the players to be able to type some thoughts as they come in and check their scores. I am both surprised we did not think of this and am sure we will do it next year.

Some additional Photos have been posted to the gallery at this link:

http://albums.phanfare.com/isolated/JmZy7XbK/5428495/2428206

why aren't the finals rated?



Read back upthread. Already answered.

It was a great event, at the awards ceremony person after person said that the Vibram Open was the best NT event of the year, Maple Hill is one of the most beautiful places on earth and the golf course design brilliant, yeah babeeeee,Slide Show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=131&pid=6506&slideshow=5000 )

why aren't the finals rated?



Read back upthread. Already answered.

how far back upthread?

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I did the ratings manually for the Final round and it played just one rating point "easier" than R2. Not sure the online unofficial ratings software does ratings for rounds called a Final but they will be done when we do them officially. The 54 by Bennett came in at 1062 vs 1064 for Feldberg in R1. A 62 rated 1004 in the Finals as additional reference for those trying to figure it out.

i've wondered about this before but always forget to ask until I saw this picture... are you allowed to play barefoot?

http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/5428495_2428206_39094813_Web_2/Image-5428495-39094813-2-Web_0_6a5edcd697eff4636824433103698daa_1.jpg

NO

3.4. Dress Code
A. All competitors and staff are required to wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to wear shoes or
other foot coverings. <font color="red"> Players will not be allowed to play in bare feet.</font> Sandals or slides are allowed.

I'm thinking going into water to make a play from casual water is sort of like briefly taking off your gloves to throw in winter. But the rule doesn't provide this exception.

good to know... i wouldn't call him on it in this case for speed of play reasons though... i'd rather him throw and tap out than have to wait for him to put everything back on (or would he have to do that in 30 seconds?) Besides I personally dont see an advantage to playing barefoot (unless the time thing came into play then there would be a disadvantage to him having to play w/ soaked shoes the rest of the round)

only reason I ask these things is you never know if you're playing with 'that guy' that isn't calling rules because he should but because he feels he needs every little advantage he can get. Its good to know going into that situation so you dont brake them in the first place.

I would guess the PDGA rule is there due to insurance concerns.

yeah... for people who are common sense challenged ;)

HOle 12 par 5....an easy one if so.

Jeff, hole 12 at Maple and Hole 6 at Deer Lakes are eerily similar. Except that hole 12 is about 50 feet father to the landing zone on the drive, and about 40 feet longer on the upshot. It would be an awesome par 5 if it was about 40 feet longer or a great par 4 if it were 30 feet shorter.

The reason for the high scores is if you can't throw a 370 foot turnover or a 370 foot flick, the hole becomes very hard. Especially if you hit a tree early on your drive like I did the third round. Then you are not going to get a 4 no matter what. I went 4, 4, 6 on the hole. But in terms of what I call a true par 5 ( a hole that takes 3 good shots to get to the green) hole 12 is more like a 4.5. Moving the tee closer would not make much of a difference, but if you could move the basket just a lil but closer, it would be just in range for 2 good shots.



But once again, thank you Steve and the rest of the crew for putting on the best event I have ever been involved in. Shows what can be done with the right people and the perseverence to pull it all off. YOu guys did an amazing job.

hole 12 par 4. drive to LZ, drive to field, easy up, putt. the odds of a three are approx. {2/3 * 2/3 * the chances of a 150'er}. deuces are possible on paper anyway. CRP says par 4 also. SA is misleading in this case. hole 12 plays extra tough for a couple reasons, including the typical severity Maple Hill passes out for going off the fairway. why have an easy par 5 when you can have a tough as nails par 4?

Jeff, hole 12 at Maple and Hole 6 at Deer Lakes are eerily similar. Except that hole 12 is about 50 feet father to the landing zone on the drive, and about 40 feet longer on the upshot. It would be an awesome par 5 if it was about 40 feet longer or a great par 4 if it were 30 feet shorter.



Hole#12 at Maple Hill and hole#6 at Deer Lakes are NOTHING alike. Hole#12 at Maple Hill is 750 feet long from tee to green; Deer Lakes#6 is all of 471 feet from the longest blue tee. The landing zone on the drive on Maple Hill #12 is at about 350 feet and small; the landing zone on Deer Lakes#6 is just slightly more than half that distance, has a wide landing area, but can be easily overshot with a midrange disc. The approach shot(s) on Hole#12 at Maple Hill is another 400 feet uphill to a well protected green; the approach shot to any pin placement on Deer Lakes#6 is not as well protected and is only a distance of about 275 feet.

Deer Lakes#6 is a very good pro par four hole that any golfer who doesn't throw that far but has an accurate touch can score a birdie three on. Maple Hill#12 is a true pro par five hole that only gold rated pros, who can throw very long and very accurately, have a realistic shot at scoring an eagle three on. Most golfers of even that high ability will take scores of four or five, especially if any error is made on the first two shots, where the margin of error is slim.

Other than the distance, the 2 shots are almost identical on 12 and 6. I understand the first shot at Deer is much shorter as is the second shot. BUt the gab at Deer is also much tighter of the tee. I don't know how you could say they are nothing alike. Both shots require a good sidearm for the best shot to a landing area, with a 35 degree bend at the landing area with a slight uphill to the pin. Deer Lakes is much tighter on the second shot though. Where as Maple Hill you only have 150 feet of more woods to make it through before the hole opens up. But overall, it requires to very similar shots. I don't know how you could disagree with that??

I play both holes exactly alike except with more distance needed at Maple Hill. But the overall feel of the holes is very similar. Even the elevation change is about the same. And the upshot to the hole 12 is not protected??? there are a few pines but that's it. Hole 6 has a wall of trees in front of the long pin at Deer. It is way more protected than hole 12 is. There is no way I would ever call hole 12 a par 5. It just isn't. It is an extremely difficult par 4 for sure, but way too easy to be considered a 5. Add 50 feet and you have a par 5 for sure.

Also the landing zones on 6 and 12 are about the same. Shorter yes, but the same amount of room to land in to be in the best spot for the second shot.

I would really like to see this hole 12 shortened 30 feet and see what kind of scores come in next year. Or make it a little longer to be a great par 5. But as is, there is no way I could even consider it being a par 5. It just isn't. :)

Jay Reading threw his drive on 1 in bounds, but it was in the water (the OB line was about 4 feet into the pond). He took his shoes off, made the shot, then put em back on. Got some good photos of it.

Seconds on the comments about the live coverage. It held my attention longer than I would have expected. The technical difficulties weren't a big issue. In a way, the unpolished, direct manner it was produced added to the enjoyment. Shots of a leader board or simple comments to identify the approaching golfers and their current position would have added to the experience. Great job though and thanks for all the hard work. I really appreciated that you got that up with everything else you (plural) had to do.

Seconds on the comments about the live coverage. It held my attention longer than I would have expected. The technical difficulties weren't a big issue. In a way, the unpolished, direct manner it was produced added to the enjoyment. Shots of a leader board or simple comments to identify the approaching golfers and their current position would have added to the experience. Great job though and thanks for all the hard work. I really appreciated that you got that up with everything else you (plural) had to do.



Thanks Old School. We are already taking notes on how to improve the experience for the online viewers next year. Please feel free to post or PM or email any and all ideas.

I got a suggestion for next year. You guys need to get a big screen that shows live footage of the people teeing off on hole 18 that the spectators can watch while they are sitting by the basket of 18. That way we would all know who just threw their drives on hole 18. :) It would be so cool to be able to see that hole from start to finish while relaxing in the chairs near the green.

man o man, what an event! Steve, Misty, Staff and Volunteers, Sponsors, all of NEFA-land and associated territory - you set the standard with this one. you ALL rock.

for every disastrous kick or crazy rollaway out there on Maple Hill there seems to be a impossible pass through a tree or some untraceable route though the forest. the sorrows are handed out, and they can be severe, but those wonderful, magical shots make up for it every bit.

How great it was. Best staff in disc golf, hands down! Every facet of an entire 6-day weekend seemed expertly choreographed to maximize enjoyment for players &amp; spectators alike (including Timmay's uncanny ability to program 18 other card players to unthinkingly fork over their chips to me all night). Now if I could only teach the pig smoker to clean itself.

367 days until Vibram Open 2009 . . .

...so i take it you won poker????

nice work steve and co. on all counts.

There is no way I would ever call hole 12 a par 5. It just isn't. It is an extremely difficult par 4 for sure, but way too easy to be considered a 5...But as is, there is no way I could even consider it being a par 5. It just isn't. :)



Consider the following:

148 competitors in a National Tour event played Maple Hill hole#12 three times each. That's 444 times played.

The hole was also played by the 145 competitors in the 2007 MSDGC (http://livescoring.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/default.asp). It was also played during the Maple Hill Three (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=7628) event and the Unity Summit at Maple Hill (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7247#Open). Counting all those rounds together, that's nearly 600 times played. Factor in all the hundreds of casual rounds played on this hole, and you are looking at a conservative estimate of 1,000 times played, and realistically several thousand more times played.

And in all that time, with world class golfers, tournament players, and locals who are intimately familiar with the course and play of that hole, there have only been two known scores EVER of 3 on it.

I don't know about you, but what do you think about a hole that has only been "birdied" one out of every 500 plays, or one out of every 1,000 or more plays? Would that really be considered a "birdie?"

Bottom line is that we need to agree to disagree here. You are basically saying (presumably based primarily on intuition) "It just isn't a par 5." I've provided loads of statistical information (especially a scoring average on the hole of greater than 5.0 using National Tour event data) to back up my claim. There is no OB on this hole to artificially inflate the scoring average. By all objective measures we use to determine par, the hole is clearly a pro par five.

I agree to disagree. :D

No matter what you think about the par, the hole (and the course) are spectacular and so are the people who make this course and event possible and that is where the attention should now go. I didn't think that the bar could be raised any higher than the MSDGC, but Steve Dodge and his staff proved it could be done and have set an example for all future National Tour events to follow. <font size=4>Congrats to Steve Dodge for one of the most successful events in the history of disc golf! </font> :cool:

not all 148 played three rounds, so your math is off already :)

i'll bet that if the padded part of the teepad was extended another 2 feet and the landing zone was completely smoothed of the rocks and logs then there would be noticably more threes and fours.

true, no OB, but the punishment for going off fairway is severe. it plays like other courses play with OB.

"by all objective measures"? how about close range par? two great shots get you to 125'. therefore, par 4. in fact, EVERY par formula except for SA sez par 4!

how about close range par? two great shots get you to 125'. therefore, par 4.



In case you missed all the Close Range Par threads, while I enjoyed the outside the box thinking of Lowe Bibby, Steve West and others on that thread and commended them for it, I never embraced it as a fully valid method for determining par. Unlike ball golf, I believe one cannot just use pure distance breakdowns to determine par. Nor does a putting green of 125' make much sense to me.

When in doubt, par should always be the higher number.

why?

Hole 12 is similar to 17 in a way. 17 they call a par 3, but who and how are you ever going to get a 2 on it without a big putt. But yet, it isn't really a par 4 either.

I really would like to see what would happen on 12 if the pin were only 35 feet closer. I know in the groups I played in, there were 8 4's, 3 5's and my 6. And I wouldn't consider any of the 4's in my group as spectacular birdies. Now if the pin had been shorter, I would have had 2 putts within 35 feet for a 3, as well as 1 putt from 15 feet or less. 2 of the other 4's that I saw, also got to within about 65 feet of the pin on the second shot. That is coming from 968 rated players.

I can't imagine that my groups were the only ones to get out there for easy tap in 4's. Now how many people would have 3'd that hole had it been 35 feet closer? How much would that affect the scoring stats? What about 50 feet longer? I think this is one of those holes that is just out of the reach for 90% of the world on 2 good shots, but would be within reach if they could throw 35 feet longer. I seriously think that that 35 feet would make a significant difference in the scoring average on this hole.

But you will still get those 5's and 6's because of the severity of the rough if you get off the fairway at any time during the hole. But that doesn't mean it's a par 5. It means STAY IN THE FAIRWAY.

why?



it just makes the most sense.

sandalbagger knows the truth.

another truth is that my check from The Vibram was about 1.5 times my total career earnings in sanctioned events! :) i feel happy!

...so i take it you won poker????


Same answer as if someone asked me, "Pardon me, would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?"

...so i take it you won poker????


Same answer as if someone asked me, "Pardon me, would you happen to have any Grey Poupon?"


ReaLly? (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0723082grey1.html)

i'll bet that if the padded part of the teepad was extended another 2 feet and the landing zone was completely smoothed of the rocks and logs then there would be noticably more threes and fours.




I'll bet that if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. I don't think such conditionals play into the concept of par. ;)

I'll add to the string of compliments... the Maple Hill Web site and live feed for this tournament were great. And I was shocked that my Wednesday night order from their online store arrived on my doorstep on Saturday. I figured they'd be too busy to fill the order until this week. To continue conducting business as usual while putting on such a huge disc golf event is impressive.

Congrats Steve and crew.

To someone's earlier point, any reason the 3rd round doesn't have ratings? I'd like it to count...

it usually counts when the ratings are official. Needs enough propogators and I think 86 is plenty. I think in general finals do t get preliminary Tati be because they are usually a small Amoy t of players and often short formats like final nines.

I really enjoyed playing the same course and layout all 3 rounds as well. It makes it a lot easier for out-of-towners to practice the course and get prepared for the event. I hope that it stays the same way next year because the course is so much fun to play.

To someone's earlier point, any reason the 3rd round doesn't have ratings? I'd like it to count...



This has been answered twice by Chuck Kennedy in this thread within the last two days:


Post #855055 and #855739
I did the ratings manually for the Final round and it played just one rating point "easier" than R2. Not sure the online unofficial ratings software does ratings for rounds called a Final but they will be done when we do them officially. The 54 by Bennett came in at 1062 vs 1064 for Feldberg in R1. A 62 rated 1004 in the Finals as additional reference for those trying to figure it out.

To someone's earlier point, any reason the 3rd round doesn't have ratings? I'd like it to count...



This has been answered twice by Chuck Kennedy in this thread within the last two days:


Post #855055 and #855739
I did the ratings manually for the Final round and it played just one rating point "easier" than R2. Not sure the online unofficial ratings software does ratings for rounds called a Final but they will be done when we do them officially. The 54 by Bennett came in at 1062 vs 1064 for Feldberg in R1. A 62 rated 1004 in the Finals as additional reference for those trying to figure it out.





All that nonsense about par makes if difficult to find answers...

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3527/vibramopen08054mo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


MEOW

http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/lorax.jpg

Best Tourney I've ever played in.

I need to chime in a little. I had so much fun that it should be illegal. Thanks to all the girls who made the little Am girl feel right at home. Thanks to Geoff for letting me caddie for his wicked cool last round. And to the boy who played glo golf with me till he dropped- You rock dude! When can I sign up for next year?

We are now selling the coolest minis ever made:

http://www.primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=vibram-mini

http://www.primediscs.com/prodimages/vibram-mini-big.jpg

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And we have a couple dozen pre-1st-run VPs for folks that were not able to make it to the tourney.

http://www.primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=VP

http://www.primediscs.com/prodimages/vp-1st-big1.jpg

The fellow at 1000rated.com asked for an email interview. Pretty cool site imo and a great interview with super pics!

http://www.1000rated.com/?p=40

In 4 years and 109 PDGA events played this was easily the best tournament I have ever attended. Thanks Steve Dodge and crew. I will be back!!!!!!

In 4 years and 109 PDGA events played this was easily the best tournament I have ever attended. Thanks Steve Dodge and crew. I will be back!!!!!!



Coming from the fella with the best approach and a contender for best drive! Woohoo!

DVD pre-orders are now being taken: http://www.primediscs.com/products.asp?cat=130

http://www.primediscs.com/prodimages/dvd_08vo_giant.jpg

Looking for a name. Any ideas who is throwing this upshot?

http://www.maplehillopen.com/default.html

(my apologies in advance for not remembering. :o)

Looking for a name. Any ideas who is throwing this upshot?

http://www.maplehillopen.com/default.html

(my apologies in advance for not remembering. :o)



Looks to me like Jason "VACH" Makarovich - I'm not 100% positive because I can't fully see all of his face, but I'm pretty **** sure the rest of it looks like him.

Keith

Thanks Keith. I've got another one for you all:

Looking for a name #2. Pretty sweet shot on #18 (prolly saving a 4 (ahhm, i mean prolly a brilliant birdie 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cem16M7gzjM

Looking for a name #2. Pretty sweet shot on #18 (prolly saving a 4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cem16M7gzjM



That is Chris "Sandalbagger" Dietzel (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=14036) from western Pennsylvania, and he wrote here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Pittsburgh%20Flying%20Disc%20So ciety&amp;Number=856139&amp;Searchpage=0&amp;Main=853270&amp;Searc h=true&amp;#Post856139) in post #856139 that he made that 90-footer for a birdie 3. :cool:

nice shot!!!!!

Much better than my 150 foot approach that turned into a 6. :(

I'd take a six over this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ie3_9ADS9w) any day.

Alright the putts are easy to pick and I have not gotten to the drives yet, but I need help picking the best approach shot of the Vibram Open.

The top 5 shots (via YouTube) are here:

http://www.primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=08vo%2Dapproach

The voting results will be on the DVD.

wish it was that easy to improve your game... yes i'd like to order AO's approach shot please ;)

Oh yeah that was me. deitzel though not dietzel. Was my last shot of the event, and was for a 3.

Did my 95% ace get on video from the last round?

Courtney Peavy hands down greatest shot.......alright maybe I
m a little bias but I am sure it will get mine &amp; Ryne's vote ;)

Courtney's shot was sweet, as was Adam's. My shot was the last of the tournament and just made the perfect ending to a beautiful weekend.

I'd vote for AO, but voting is a pain in the butt what with the entire checkout &amp; all.

yeah, thats what I ran into.

Is this John Debois?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyriHVYtoI

yes it is a man Mullet

Clipping Room Floor: Hot Putts

http://www.maplehillopen.com/default.html

Clipping Room Floor: Vibram Open Runs

The DVD is going to replication next week and whole sections are starting to not make the cut. I'll post them on the YouTube Prime Discs channel:

Posted Today: Vibram Open Runs

http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimeDiscs

For those who played the Vibram Open this year, we need to wish Steve Dodge and crew the best as they try to recover from terrible ice storms this past week. Here are some photos posted on the NEFA forum: http://www.nefa.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4547

After seing pics from Leominster, I was hoping Marshall Street escaped the worst of it. It's a shame. That's a brutal storm.

When does pre-reg commence for the 2009 [email protected]?

I asked a little while ago, NEW YEARS is the date pre-reg commences! I got a slip of paper in my stocking from the parents that said "VIBRAM" guess that means I've got at least one tournament entry already all set up and ready to go! w00t! VIBRAM OPEN HERE I COME!

The 2009 Vibram Open thread (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=897298&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post8 97298) will have a link to registration.

Registration will open at 12:01 AM on 1/1/2009.

I'm not going to a party tonight unless an internet connection is available when the ball drops.