Just Thought I would start a thread to see which PRO's were going to step down at the Next NC event and beat all the AM's so they could have "more fun"

Before you post I am very aware of the Ratings change. My personal view... DUMB rule! If you accept cash you are a professional.

just because some Ex-Pro's step down does not mean they will beat the current (real was not a good word here) Am's :D

True, and I hope not.

The Mini Thumber definetly is not baggin, as a rec player, I am moving up and playing Intermediate.

Mini Thumber

can i bag?

No, anyone that putts harder than I do can't bag, sorry buddy. Coming out to CO for any events this year??

who knows yet, i havent figured out the summer touring plans yet

I bagged in '05. Ask MTL.

i know he keeps bringing that one up alot

Mike you should come, I always play so well when you are on my card ;)

i might i dont know what i am doing that weekend yet, hopefully i can give the buckhorn open a chance

Let me know if you need a place to stay

Just Thought I would start a thread to see which PRO's were going to step down at the Next NC event and beat all the AM's so they could have "more fun"

Before you post I am very aware of the Ratings change. My personal view... DUMB rule! If you accept cash you are a professional.



Sorry you're struggling to accept the new system. I'm sure many Masters went through the same issues when the age restrictions went up from 35.

Getting old is different.

Getting old is different.


Dude! You've played 12 tourneys in the Open div. and Grossed $58...keep that up and I have a feeling you will slowly quit harshing on me...

Jason, I think your a great player, and it is hard to Imagine that your 10 rating points over Intermediate. As i feel being 18 points under Intermediate. I think the pdga meant well by moving the rating points, its the name classification they don't have a clue on. IMO.

Mini Thumber

its the name classification they don't have a clue on. IMO.

Mini Thumber


that is exactly right

Getting old is different.


Dude! You've played 12 tourneys in the Open div. and Grossed $58...keep that up and I have a feeling you will slowly quit harshing on me...



1)Money is not the reason I play this game. Ask around the community and you will find that to be true. In fact if you craig and jeff played open I would have not cashed.

2) Lol... I don't what to say to that. I like to think that I have played one event and got $26. Its 2008 move on..... I did!

3) I love the game. I can not and will not go back to a div that offers me a level of play that is not challenging me to play at the highest level possible. This is were the fun is stored for me.

4) not harshing just calling it like i see it! A CASHING PRO PLAYING ADVANCED.

5) You forgot to mention how low my rating is and how it has gone down this over the past few months. I get the feeling if that keeps happening by your decision making logic will be playing int soon.

thanks for the reminders on how much I have made as a Professional so far, because thats what really counts!

Jason, I think your a great player, and it is hard to Imagine that your 10 rating points over Intermediate. As i feel being 18 points under Intermediate. I think the pdga meant well by moving the rating points, its the name classification they don't have a clue on. IMO.



Mini Thumber



18 points? Thats two strokes per round right?

Keep flaming buddy, it reminds me of the seven straight birdies it took to take down Pullcarts. That boy is good!

MJ, I would kiss your ArSSenal too if I was insecure and wanted desperately to feel welcomed by a top pro as a donator, but I just don't have to hippieboy! Say I won't????

Wow.... thanks for reading what I have posted earlier.

If asking some one who I met last year and played with to come play my former home course is ars kissing..... well Im a LICKER, because I do that with just about every one I play with. Especially guys from your area, who as a whole don't make it this way much. I hope you feel better being a CASHING PRO and playing beating 916 rated guys! You know what........ you guys are in the right division. You have the spine of an AM not a PRO.

Yes I agree with you that you are a LICKER. My definition of a licker is one who needs to stroke someone else's ego to feel accepted in a place they are struggling to fit in on a skill based criteria. How much licking did you do when all of us didn't play in our right division at Charleston? Oh, that's right, you quit (a pro trend?) and left after you were beat down mentally after the third round (perseverence of a pro, right?), spine dragging along the ground like the kid who just got denied by their favorite player for an autograph, but ultimately even dissapointing themselves (sometimes quitting is easier than manning up and finishing under adversity like a true pro, right?). Jayson, you may want to check in with the boss upstairs and ask him how this is suiting you in your quest. Whatever suits you though JC. Until then I will continue to beat you in multiple divisions, as an AM or a Pro, as long as I play well.

BTW, it continues to sound like bitter green jealousy that you are on here beeeching about us playing in a division that you are questionable to even cash in, especially out of town. Just my $.02.

Oh, and please consider registering for the Carolina Clash in May here in Charlotte. All of the PRO's are sure to welcome your 910 average rating in Charlotte to the shark infested waters. Wouldn't that put you solidly in the intermediate division? :eek:

If Whorley got on and posted his opinions about pro/am golf, and also told JC to get some game, then this thread could be put to rest.

Will somebody please pass the popcorn?

JC, I totally saw you taking the bait and making a reply. What happened?

Im working on it..... LOL ;)

Dude, I am not going to have access to a computer for the next 10 or so hours. Can you wait on me? :confused:

Yes I agree with you that you are a LICKER. My definition of a licker is one who needs to stroke someone else's ego to feel accepted in a place they are struggling to fit in on a skill based criteria. How much licking did you do when all of us didn't play in our right division at Charleston? Oh, that's right, you quit (a pro trend?) and left after you were beat down mentally after the third round (perseverence of a pro, right?), spine dragging along the ground like the kid who just got denied by their favorite player for an autograph, but ultimately even dissapointing themselves (sometimes quitting is easier than manning up and finishing under adversity like a true pro, right?). Jayson, you may want to check in with the boss upstairs and ask him how this is suiting you in your quest. Whatever suits you though JC. Until then I will continue to beat you in multiple divisions, as an AM or a Pro, as long as I play well.

BTW, it continues to sound like bitter green jealousy that you are on here beeeching about us playing in a division that you are questionable to even cash in, especially out of town. Just my $.02.



Not really trying to fit in or be accepted. If you knew me you would know I don't do that. and again if offering my house up for a tourny and encouraging people to play on my former home course is ego stroking. I am a PRO STOKER!

Kentwood is not my home course.

Quitting in Charleston was due to Broncittus and a major sinus infection, spending time in the city hanging out with my wife. I was playing great golf, my body just wasn't with it. I had a great time though!

As far as the man up stairs? I don't know who that is or what that has to do with this conversation?

If I can swing it I will be at Carolina clash.

Who is Whorly?

Dude, I am not going to have access to a computer for the next 10 or so hours. Can you wait on me? :confused:



Nah man cant wait. I have a busy day today as well.

I played Earlewood and finished with really bad food poisoning, despite barely being able to stand vertical.

I played and finished the AM X-town two years ago after spending 7 hours Saturday night at the Durham hospital passing Kidney stones.

Your point in QUITTING AS A PRO WAS????????????

Have a great day at work! TTFN :D

I played Earlewood and finished with really bad food poisoning, despite barely being able to stand vertical.

I played and finished the AM X-town two years ago after spending 7 hours Saturday night at the Durham hospital passing Kidney stones.

Your point in QUITTING AS A PRO WAS????????????



Ouch on the stones!!!!! I will bet if the weather was nice and you had your wife there who was exited about hanging out in the city and having fun it would be a no brainer. I will admit what you did is hard core though. I think we are getting of the topic. My question was Who's bagging at Buckhorn?

Y cant we all jusTT geTT along............you mullets.

Craig,

Are you honestly giving J Clark hell for playing open?

Jay,

Are you honestly giving someone from Charlotte hell for driving more than 20 min to play disc golf?

Y cant we all jusTT geTT along............you mullets.



Tripp Cole impersonating Rodney King?? :D

Craig,

Are you honestly giving J Clark hell for playing open?

Jay,

Are you honestly giving someone from Charlotte hell for driving more than 20 min to pay disc golf?



:D

that was actually funny, MTL. I give you credit on that one.

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.


i knew there was something strange, but i didnt realize i was a robot

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> personal attacked deleted</font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!

Yes indeed, 2 strokes per round= 8 strokes per tnmt. I feel as if Novice, Rec, and Intermediate all sound and are definitive about the same. I still feel for a Rec player, I'm pretty ^%$% Good.

Mini Thumber

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



its more like Charlotte players have a hot wife @ home and the Raleigh guys wonder why we dont go hang out w/ their skanky... ho ld up wait a minute

wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!



Stack are you nuts?

MTL is funny for sjur. Just not funny ha ha. Yep, the other funny!Domo oregato Mr. frizzato.

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



its more like Charlotte players have a hot wife @ home and the Raleigh guys wonder why we dont go hang out w/ their skanky... ho ld up wait a minute

wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!



Stack are you nuts?


i guess you havent met stack or that wouldnt be a question but a statement

MTL is funny for sjur. Just not funny ha ha. Yep, the other funny!Domo oregato Mr. frizzato.


Sounds like you already found the SHINE

stan- have they talked you into vti yet??

We could use Stan. Or at least abuse him.

John, I would love to come but my life has been complicated the last few months by the fact that Diane and I are raising our 6 month old grandson. Things will have to settle out for me before I can plan much disc golf in my near future. I have told everyone here that I do not doubt that the VTI is a ton of fun. I hate to miss it.
Matt, you had better watch out or I will break your other ribs too.

MTL is funny for sjur. Just not funny ha ha. Yep, the other funny!Domo oregato Mr. frizzato.


Sounds like you already found the SHINE



Thats not the shine talking, that is simply a logical deduction.(from a shine tainted mind)

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> post edited due to a personal attack </font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!



Stack are you nuts?


i guess you havent met stack or that wouldnt be a question but a statement



man.. gettin dis'd by a dirty hippie! ;)

seriously though... sweet courses here (thanks stan!) ... why travel?

MTL is funny for sjur. Just not funny ha ha. Yep, the other funny!Domo oregato Mr. frizzato.


Sounds like you already found the SHINE



Thats not the shine talking, that is simply a logical deduction.
(from a shine tainted mind)



I guess tainted minds think alike

I will be playing Advanced!!!

In the Am crosstown maybe

Can you imagine how many people would pitch a fit if I played Advanced?

And they would pitching it to the wrong people.

Blame the stupid divisonal structure, not the player.

I am still waiting for the day when an NBA player goes back to college and plays a year b/c he couldn't cut it in the NBA although it takes major talent to get to the NBA, so clearly he could.

It's just like going back to Q School or the Nationwide Tour. Kirk, I think it would be a good idea if you did play, it might build some confidence for the year.

Im going to have to agree with this argument. After the money list is done ( this year it was around $750,000.00)...... pga golfers will play in the silly season just to improve the standing for next season. (even though there in).

Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.

Just my 2 cents.

With your rating yes unless you continue to play like Saturday, however, these fellas ratings allow them to play in this division. Yahn has sucked for the past two years (injuries I believe and not having Green FB). Why have them continue to donate or "not have Fun" and eventually quit the game which I believe some you wouldn't have a problem with.
This is a PDGA problem as you said. They are just playin the system. Kudos
If you made your tourney Trophy only it might of helped move them up.

God bless the Green!

I know it's my go to now and always in my bag right next to Purps

Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.

Just my 2 cents.



&lt;No offense MTL&gt;

I know you are pretty good and all (and yes I think you'd beat me most of the time (although most of the times we've played on the same courses its been close ;) )
but... I would think of you as a great Am player and not really a solid Pro (yes i know you got your touring pro card for last year... and congrats on that). I just thought your comments were a little off base and looked @ your results last year to see if I was right... talking about how you pretty much would expect to win in every Advanced tourney you'd play if you played Advanced..

In 2007 of the 25 times you played the same layout as the Ams you would've only won 12 times
thats less than 1/2!!!
Of those 'wins' one would've been a tie and the other would've been a 3 way tie.
Looking @ the ones you would've won (no offense to anyone that played these) if you look @ the level of play it isnt the highest for the advanced field.
-Coastal
-Earlwood
-Azalea
-Tarheel
-Sanford
-Tupelo
-Oak Hollow
-Big Valley
-Kings Cup
-Buckhorn (tie)
-Mooky (tie)

Yes.. some of those there was some solid competition... point is that I dont know that I would look at you as a lock to win in every or even 75% of advanced tournies if you played in that division.

Of the ones you 'didnt' win you would've finished
2nd - 3 times
T3rd - 3 times
T4th - once
7th - once
T10- twice
T13 - once
T15 - once
(and in some of those you wouldn't have even won Advanced Masters ... and the 1st place Intermediate would've given you a good run a few times!)

Now that I found a few holes in your 1 &amp; 2 points i'll continue to say that this isnt bash MTL time... i think it actually proves your 3rd point "Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some." I think there are a lot of 'Pros' that are smart to stay as the 'last cash' or 'finish near the top sometimes' Pros for this reason.


&lt;/No offense MTL&gt;
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

oh I was talking about the green as in when I'm not at...

nevermind.

Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.

Just my 2 cents.



...precisely my reasoning as well.

but... I would think of you as a great Am player and not really a solid Pro In 2007 of the 25 times you played the same layout as the Ams you would've only won 12 times




Only 12 times?????? are you serious stack? MTL although not the most popular golfer in the world is a SOLID PRO and not an AM by any stretch of the imagination.

Heres my 2 (it is slow at work)
alot of people bash the PDGA and say that ratings mean nothing and divisions mean nothing, "get in where u fit in" and all that jazz but this year the PDGA changes the ratings criteria a little bit and almost everyone on here is having a coniption fit about how to reclassify they're status in this game. what is different about this game and the tournaments this year from last? nothing but a little number (which is only a suggestion). can we delete this thread please so i can make myself make some cold calls

Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.

Just my 2 cents.



&lt;No offense MTL&gt;

I know you are pretty good and all (and yes I think you'd beat me most of the time (although most of the times we've played on the same courses its been close ;) )
but... I would think of you as a great Am player and not really a solid Pro (yes i know you got your touring pro card for last year... and congrats on that). I just thought your comments were a little off base and looked @ your results last year to see if I was right... talking about how you pretty much would expect to win in every Advanced tourney you'd play if you played Advanced..

In 2007 of the 25 times you played the same layout as the Ams you would've only won 12 times
thats less than 1/2!!!
Of those 'wins' one would've been a tie and the other would've been a 3 way tie.
Looking @ the ones you would've won (no offense to anyone that played these) if you look @ the level of play it isnt the highest for the advanced field.
-Coastal
-Earlwood
-Azalea
-Tarheel
-Sanford
-Tupelo
-Oak Hollow
-Big Valley
-Kings Cup
-Buckhorn (tie)
-Mooky (tie)

Yes.. some of those there was some solid competition... point is that I dont know that I would look at you as a lock to win in every or even 75% of advanced tournies if you played in that division.

Of the ones you 'didnt' win you would've finished
2nd - 3 times
T3rd - 3 times
T4th - once
7th - once
T10- twice
T13 - once
T15 - once
(and in some of those you wouldn't have even won Advanced Masters ... and the 1st place Intermediate would've given you a good run a few times!)

Now that I found a few holes in your 1 &amp; 2 points i'll continue to say that this isnt bash MTL time... i think it actually proves your 3rd point "Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some." I think there are a lot of 'Pros' that are smart to stay as the 'last cash' or 'finish near the top sometimes' Pros for this reason.


&lt;/No offense MTL&gt;
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Interesting.

My response.

I didn't say I would win. I said I would expect to win. Major difference.

can't we all just get along?

BWD... I guess I could concede that MTL is not really an Am but the numbers wouldn't put him as a SOLID pro in my book (solid = ~1000 rating with a few wins and lots of quality finishes)... but yes... he is a 'pro' by our sports definition and even got his 'touring card' for last year! (congrats again on that MTL)
MTL... I know you didnt say you would win but that you would expect to... im just pointing out the difference between expectation and reality. If I move up to playing pro tournies this year and cash @ some... finish in the top 5 in a couple... and have a decent year I could tell myself I would've expected to win any/every advanced tourney but that doesnt make it a truth. Its good to expect great things of yourself as a competitor... thats a big part of the mental game and telling yourself you should be on the lead card and making yourself get there.

And again... its not a rip on MTL... i think it'd look like this if you ran the numbers for a lot of Pros that people consider 'solid'... and this would've even be looking @ the Advanced 'majors' like crosstown, bowling green, worlds, etc... it would be really interesting to see where they finished in those fields.

I can't believe I cashed 23 out of 32 events last year in what is by far the hardest part of the world to cash (and 5 of those misses I was hurt), was on the lead card of a super tour the final round and averaged in the 1000 teens 3 seperate tournaments and finished 2nd at 3 tournaments and you don't think that's solid

It's all good though. I'll let my play speak for me.

Stack,
C'mon man. MTL made over $2 grand last year who do you consider a "SOLID" Pro??????? he had 19 top 10 finishes playing most of his Tourney's in N.C. so i guess if your not MJ, or schweeb your not a "SOLID" pro? i am not trying to suck up to tivvle but please lets atleast keep this discussion rational

<font color="red">BWD </font> ... I guess I could concede that MTL is not really an Am but the numbers wouldn't put him as a SOLID pro in my book (solid = ~1000 rating with a few wins and lots of quality finishes)... but yes... he is a 'pro' by our sports definition and even got his 'touring card' for last year! (congrats again on that MTL)
MTL... I know you didnt say you would win but that you would expect to... im just pointing out the difference between expectation and reality. If I move up to playing pro tournies this year and cash @ some... finish in the top 5 in a couple... and have a decent year I could tell myself I would've expected to win any/every advanced tourney but that doesnt make it a truth. Its good to expect great things of yourself as a competitor... thats a big part of the mental game and telling yourself you should be on the lead card and making yourself get there.

And again... its not a rip on MTL... i think it'd look like this if you ran the numbers for a lot of Pros that people consider 'solid'... and this would've even be looking @ the Advanced 'majors' like crosstown, bowling green, worlds, etc... it would be really interesting to see where they finished in those fields.



I was wondering about this acronym BWD, so I did some pondering....

By the way, dude

Big whooptie-Doooo

Banana Waffle Dong

etc.

Does anyone else have any other interpretations?







And yes, this <font color="green"> IS </font> the type of TThread drifTT I am trying to achieve :D

I always enjoy reading these post when I get to work....almost always gets me in a good mood for the day. Always humorous.


MTL...you said you would win, as well as expect to...


1. I would expect to win and I would.


I would implies you will.

Keepin' me laughing

. im just pointing out the difference between expectation and reality.


If I move up to playing pro tournies this year and cash


Lets put the shoe on the other foot and see how it fills stack. u cash this year in Pro?????????? u played two tournies last year one being in your home town and u couldn't even crack the top 5 in am now MTL is not a SOLID pro but you are going to play pro in N.C. and have some kind of dream of cashing. i'm not trying to bash u Stack but C'mon man leave it alone u made a bad statement and got called on it can we drop it now please?

i said one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would
2. I would expect to win and I wouldn't.

This doesn't imply I was saying I would, just implies I said I would expect to.

Does anyone else have any other interpretations?
And yes, this <font color="green"> IS </font> the type of TThread drifTT I am trying to achieve :D


Big Waffing Dook. prrrrnnnnntttt

big wet doodoo

and I remember meeting MTL at Ace Run Ranch several years back....That kid has come a Loooooong way from those days, and I would certainly consider him a SOLID Pro player. He also does a tremendous amount for the game in my area, so hats off to you tizzle!

Great another BOB stroker thread. So who's baggn again? are PP or Juff

and I remember meeting MTL at Ace Run Ranch several years back....That kid has come a Loooooong way from those days



I remember playing that practice round with you Mike! Man you whipped up on me.

BOB strokin'...wow

Like him or not like him...I just called it like i see it.

B**chy Whiny Dukies

come on brad!!

how about:

Bad smurf Wets Diaper

this is the kind of banter we need on the top thread of the PDGA massage bard :D

I remember playing that practice round with you Mike! Man you whipped up on me.



Those days of my game are gone. Man do I miss not being able to play...

[QUOTE]
<font color="red">BWD </font> ...



I was wondering about this acronym BWD, so I did some pondering....

By the way, dude

Big whooptie-Doooo

Banana Waffle Dong

etc.

Does anyone else have any other interpretations?

Big winky dinky.

What a great tournament thread !!!!!

I want to talk about baggn not Tizzle, he's got plenty of threads to stroke his ego. Let's talk about PP's ego after a tough battle in the AM ranks. Did yu see who he beat WoW, some past NC greats.

Big wiver dog

PP birdied the last 6 holes i think to take carter out. WOW

buckhorn whups discers

how about:

Bad smurf Wets Diaper




worst yet

I can't believe I cashed 23 out of 32 events last year in what is by far the hardest part of the world to cash (and 5 of those misses I was hurt), was on the lead card of a super tour the final round and averaged in the 1000 teens 3 seperate tournaments and finished 2nd at 3 tournaments and you don't think that's solid


It's all good though. I'll let my play speak for me.


shouldnt this statement be said in lieu of the preceeding paragraph, not in addition to?

PP birdied the last 6 holes i think to take carter out. WOW


7 of last 8... 7 in a row then just missed the last hole high

[[edited due to potential attack.]

PP birdied the last 6 holes i think to take carter out. WOW


Where was my sponsored player during all this action, taking a lazy third. Boo

Did yu see who he beat WoW, some past NC greats.


haha... what a dick


You might lose your sponsorship with that crazy talk and that's Richard to you

am I solid or not?

You vote!

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=786412&amp;Main=783289#Post7 86412

. Yahn has sucked for the past two years .


Lazy i think

am I solid or not?

You vote!

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=786412&amp;Main=783289#Post7 86412


You're pretty soft if you really want to know

am I solid or not?

You vote!



wow, that didnt take long. way to let your play speak.

. Yahn has sucked for the past two years .


Lazy i think



actually working hard keeping that rating down for his TTEAM!! ;)

Halton... BWD = Big Wave Dave but your guesses are funny...

others... im not trying to down MTL... he is good... just used him as an example since he put himself out there.

and i never said I was even that good as an Am... but the home tourney you are talking about I actually beat MTL and would've finished well into the cash if I played Pro... if I played pro all year would I cash... maybe once or twice but maybe not. It wasnt about that... it was about proving MTLs last point that if one thinks enough of himself they dont get any confidence by playing advanced when they could go to pro and cash or play well.

besides... this isnt about me... it was about an example of a pro when put up against the am field that he said he would expect to beat.

and I would rank pros in these levels... Elite - Schultz, Climo, Etc.... 'Touring' ... Schweb (borderline elite in my mind and would easily be elite if he had the chance to play more)... 'Solid' pro would be someone around 1000 rating like the Frizzaks... and 'good' would be someone like MTL. I know some from each of those realms could beat others but I think there are some pretty good divisions amongst the ranks.

And again... it isnt even about 'what is a solid pro'... im just explaining my definition since people are getting hung up on that.

Its about using MTL as a case study to compare him to the am field in the events he played last year. Argue that if you want

wow, that didn't take long. way to let your play speak.



now thatz funny!

wow... i didnt see the additional 2 pages of posts from when I was typing this response (didnt hit refresh).

I think its funny you are getting so offended... its being rather nit picky really... by my definition of SOLID you are not. By others... sure.

And in discussing what a pro is or the ranks among the pros... i've heard others say that someone shouldn't even be considered a pro unless they cash @ 'the dance' (aka... worlds). I dont go harsh... i would say that would be a part of being considered an 'touring/elite' pro even 'solid'.

You are a Good Pro... to me its like this SOLID &gt; GOOD.... to some its the other way.

stack- This thread is about baggn at Buckhorn. Unless... MTL and JJ were tankn at the RWJ to get there ratings down to join in the FUN LEAGUE. WoW it all makes sense

If you want to know I haven't been SOLID for days **** TasGall

stack- This thread is about baggn at Buckhorn. Unless... MTL and JJ were tankn at the RWJ to get there ratings down to join in the FUN LEAGUE. WoW it all makes sense



We played serious the first round.

The second round was screwing around b/c at that point we didn't care.

Our second rounds will not be counted and if we were truly trying to get our ratings down, we would have continued to play seriously b/c then the round would not have been thrown out.

and I would rank pros in these levels... Elite - Schultz, Climo, Etc.... 'Touring' ... Schweb (borderline elite in my mind and would easily be elite if he had the chance to play more)... 'Solid' pro would be someone around 1000 rating like the Frizzaks... and 'good' would be someone like MTL. I know some from each of those realms could beat others but I think there are some pretty good divisions amongst the ranks.





There are 34464 members in the PDGA and only 134 of them are 1000 or better.

That is .3 percent. That is pretty elite to me.

Seems right. Look at other sports. Just cause you threw the pigskin in the backyard doesn't make you a pro or Salad

There are 34464 members in the PDGA and only 134 of them are 1000 or better.

That is .3 percent. That is pretty elite to me.


your math is off (surprise). he said elite PRO. how many of those members are registered as PRO? recalculate.

well we know his math isnt that great

There are 34464 members in the PDGA and only 134 of them are 1000 or better.

That is .3 percent. That is pretty elite to me.


your math is off (surprise). he said elite PRO. how many of those members are registered as PRO? recalculate.



There are 2802 current members who are pros (and hands more that are not current).

that is still only 5% based of that figure at 1000 or better. Still pretty elite to me.

sorry B___S... (and Polish and Clark) for hijacking the thread... the comment about expecting to win all or almost all in Advanced just didnt sound right so I had to run the numbers.

and thanks Juff ;)

how many Millions of kids/people play ball golf, football, baseball, basketball... and what percentage of them are elite pros in those sports?

you still havent said how you would rank the pro classes (if broken down into 3-4 groups)... since not all pros are created equal

Over 1000 Open players in the WORLD earned cash last year, Tizzle was about 85th on that list. Only 10 Open players in NC earned over $1000 last year, Tizzle was over $2800, that's a solid year.

What is so bad about a pro player saying that if they moved down to AM they would expect to win all the time and be very mad at themselves if they didnt?

If you consider making $88 a tournie solid but after an average of 65 on entries that leaves $23. Is $23 a week a professional. I think Juff, PP and Carter are the Solid Pros at the Game. Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales

Halton... BWD = Big Wave Dave


Halton know who i am. he was attempting to change the subject.

There are 34464 members in the PDGA and only 134 of them are 1000 or better.

That is .3 percent. That is pretty elite to me.


your math is off (surprise). he said elite PRO. how many of those members are registered as PRO? recalculate.



There are 2802 current members who are pros (and hands more that are not current).

that is still only 5% based of that figure at 1000 or better. Still pretty elite to me.



something else to chew on... of that 2802... only 839 are 970+
you have to remember that of that 2800... anyone can say they are a pro... i can have a kid and register them as a pro.... there are a few hundred in the 800 range ... complete w/ a few 500 rated players in there

also 134 are 1000 rated or better but I said around 1000 (like the frizzies)... there are ~170 that are 998 or better.

you still havent said what your measurements among the pro ranks would be and are still hung up on something that wasnt even my orig. point

grab a different pro that you think is around your level of play (and honestly pick on randomly... dont go back and look @ results) and run the #s for them to see where they stack up against the am field... i think this is interesting to see what we find (which is why I used your #s)

21730... nothing wrong with saying you expect to do something and 'would'... i just thought it to be a rather boastful statement and looked @ the facts to see if I was off base... apparently I wasnt.

I think Juff, PP and Carter are the Solid Pros at the Game. Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales



This statement is what is wrong with disc golf.

If you consider making $88 a tournie solid but after an average of 65 on entries that leaves $23. Is $23 a week a professional. I think Juff, PP and Carter are the Solid Pros at the Game. Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales


your post poinjts out the short comings of the sport not Tivvle's game

but the home tourney you are talking about I actually would've finished well into the cash if I played Pro...


Stack, what are you talking about you didn't even finish. how can you cash in any division w/ a DNF?

I'm just stickn to the bagger topic. Can't wait for Asheville Skins for Ams again. Then the REALly baggn begins. Who really cares if Tizzle is solid or not. It's the same old stuff different week.

i was talking about the one tourney that i played the same course as MTL... Discourse. ... and again im not talking about me.

you shouldn't have to be good to be able to look @ numbers and come to conclusions on things... again... im talking about putting MTL up against the Advanced field and seeing what happened.

I dont know why you keep bringing it back to me. I could be a non-player that is doing a math project and running numbers and it would be the same... its not about me... its about looking at this as a case study.

if MTL will give me another 'Pro' around his level to look @ i'll run the #s on them and take out the name and see how it stacks up... this stuff is meant to be interesting... not 'well who are you to say'... blah blah blah.

21730... nothing wrong with saying you expect to do something and 'would'... i just thought it to be a rather boastful statement and looked @ the facts to see if I was off base... apparently I wasnt.



So what if it's boastful? Nothing wrong with a player having confidence in his'her abilitles, IMO.

21730... nothing wrong with saying you expect to do something and 'would'... i just thought it to be a rather boastful statement and looked @ the facts to see if I was off base... apparently I wasnt.



So what if it's boastful? Nothing wrong with a player having confidence in his'her abilitles, IMO.



nope... not only nothing wrong with that... i think its a necessity to the mental side of our game. I can say I'm 'the best putter in North Carolina' and it may actually help me putt better... but i wont be upset if someone finds statistics to prove me wrong and calls me on it.

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I was wondering about this acronym BWD, so I did some pondering....

By the way, dude

Big whooptie-Doooo

Banana Waffle Dong

etc.

Does anyone else have any other interpretations?







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how is a d o u che censored

I dont know why you keep bringing it back to me.


I keep bringing it back to you because you are the one who decided to single out someones game and criticise it. and then tried to state that MTL or any other open player around his skill level is barley a pro and would not be a BAGGER in AM

if MTL will give me another 'Pro' around his level to look @ i'll run the #s on them and take out the name and see how it stacks up... this stuff is meant to be interesting... not 'well who are you to say'... blah blah blah.


why does MTL have to give you another pro you know your way around this site find one and prove your point. you keep mentioning the Frizzies. how do they stack up to your Def. of Solid or what ever you want to call it. you guys run the math and spit some facts.

lets look at my buddy schweeb one of the greatest golfers i have ever seen play the game. run his numbers. let's say he pocketed every penny he made last year. how many of you live off $10 grand a year??????? no one is make a living at this sport. i am so turned around now i have forgotten what my point was.

thanks for making my morning fly by. i am going to lunch

here's the #s using another Pro (within 3 pts of MTLs ranking) who would probably split 50/50 on wins if they played heads up...

PRO X
(averaged $83 per event ... MTL avg'd $88)
played 6 tournies last year that ams played same layout...
Would've only won am... ONCE! (and it was the same time this person got a pro win... which our 'other' subject didnt have)
here's how the events would've put the person in advanced (in no part. order)
-Tied 3-4th
-Tied 2-5th
-1st! (also a pro win)
-3rd
-Tied 3-4th
-2nd

taking the name out of things would you say this person is a Solid or Great Pro player or a great Advanced player that is a 'good' pro player?

bigwave... again your getting caught up on cash... i dont care how much MTL made... i was just talking about him playing as advanced as he put it.

and above is the first pro i could think of that I know matches well against MTL... take MTLs name off the numbers I ran for him and form your own opinions about that persons level in this sport. Its not about me... MTL... its an interesting thought I came across when pitting Pros that people would consider good (or even great/solid as some consider MTL) against the Am field.

its a compliment to you specifically since you are one of the ones that would consistently beat some of these types of pros.

Did you check and see if pro and am were playing the same layout before comparing the scores?

Bagger With Discs (BWD)

Mini Thumber, President of the Baggers Association

i understand stack and money has been brought up several time and i think $ is the way most pro's in any individual sport (ball golf for ex.) judge things. i understand everything u are saying. my point is i fill u where off base when u said that anyone of Tizzle's skill level (any player X w/ similar stats) is a bottom feeder and a marginal pro and would have any business what so ever of playing am. i think u made a mistake when you bought a person's name into the discussion. i could make multiple examples using real peoples names to prove my point but i refrain becasue i do not want thos people taking what i say the wrong way about their game. that's all man. i love you always have had a blast playing with you ijust disagree with you on today's discussion. no big deal man.

Bagger With Discs (BWD)

Mini Thumber, President of the Baggers Association


best one yet rock!

Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales



This is what I have always said...there are no Ams in this sport. There never have been and unless we change the competition structure of the game there never will be.

As long as we continue to "PAYOUT" (an absolutely ridiculous term in an Am event) plastic to competitors that say they are Ams (but they aren't) it will never change.

Seriously, try playing a sport where you only get a trophy for 1st or 2nd place. Where you could show up Friday, compete, get beat, and go home.

Or you could play disc golf and pitch a fit when $1 of your entry goes to something other than your precious plastic "PAYOUT".

All disc golfers that compete in PDGA events are Pros. All divisions expect a "PAYOUT".

Kirk

Did you check and see if pro and am were playing the same layout before comparing the scores?



yup... unless by some freak of math they got the same exact ratings playing difference course (i compared a few ratings)... but there may be some holes (albeit small).

i've got another comparison coming... and i promise (and those that truly know me know my word is bond) that these are the first and only 2 other pro's i've checked... i just went back and looked at tournies mtl played... land randomly picked 2 pros with about the same ratings.

Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales



This is what I have always said...there are no Ams in this sport. There never have been and unless we change the competition structure of the game there never will be.

As long as we continue to "PAYOUT" (an absolutely ridiculous term in an Am event) plastic to competitors that say they are Ams (but they aren't) it will never change.

Seriously, try playing a sport where you only get a trophy for 1st or 2nd place. Where you could show up Friday, compete, get beat, and go home.

Or you could play disc golf and pitch a fit when $1 of your entry goes to something other than your precious plastic "PAYOUT".

All disc golfers that compete in PDGA events are Pros. All divisions expect a "PAYOUT".

Kirk



i totally agree Kirk... and was actually amazed/surprised when I first starting playing to hear people talk about 'getting their money back' or winning something and saying they were in the hole.

I looked at it like a road race or rugby match (i used to be rather competitive in both)... but running would compare better as an individual sport... in a road race you have hundreds pre-reg... pay 15-30 to run and maybe get a tshirt (aka players pack) and thats it... of the 100 or even 1000+ the top few might get trophies or medals... and they are fine with that. those guys are true ams and would've been the direction I thought this sport was in. When I first started I got 'merch bucks' to buy discs and although it was kinda cool to win soo much I thought it rather odd.

comparison continued...
Pro XX
(avg'd $52 per event and is within a point or 2 of 978 rating)
of the 22 events they played (where ams played same course/etc)
this person would've won Advanced 8 times!!! (about 1/3rd of the time)
here's how they would've finished the other 14
-2nd
-T2/3 x 2
-3rd x 2
-T3/4
-4th x 3
-T5/6 or 5-9th x 2
-T6-8th
-T10-13th
-T30/31

also of those 8 wins 2 of them were also Pro wins

note... im not judging any of these players Player X or XX... i'm just putting up data that I think is crazy considering the players in question... like my initial thoughts of MTL... i would've thought these people would've won advanced over 70% of the time... not 16% and 33% of the time

You will find that at the rating you are looking at and why "solid" is in question.
That rated level player will be inconsistent. A couple 1000's some 950 and lower. Just not as many as the top baggers

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



its more like Charlotte players have a hot wife @ home and the Raleigh guys wonder why we dont go hang out w/ their skanky... ho ld up wait a minute

wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!



Hey Bonehead, let me speak on this, pay attention. When using a Q-Tip and you meet resistance, stop. :)

Mini Thumber

are you serious?!

they're coming out of the woodwork... must be my day! ;)

Bet Wiggins Dominates, 2008

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWD

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> personal attacked deleted</font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!

Edited by MTL_The_Moderator (01/23/08 05:16 PM)



AWESOME!!!

:confused:

BWD = Bob Won't Do her?

lets quit the bickering amongst ourselves and focus on whats really going on. some dude from IL rated 975 playing Am???????????????????????????????????

this has been a entertaining thread drift atleast

No joke, I went to work and when I get home, BAM 10 more pages on this thread. Blown With Dentures

Hey Wave, now thats a pretty good am, he's 40 points out of the Intermediate. I wonder if the PDGA knows the percentages of am players. I still think, and always will think (ouch) that Novice, Recreation, and Intermediate are all the same name, just spelled different. That my friend whom I respect very much, is the problem.
Mini Thumber, 15 PDGA tnmts average over the last 4 years, a pretty good Recreation player. Not sure how long Ill be President of the Baggers Association since I'm playing up to Intermediate.

Mini (WreckReation) Thumber :) With a Bueatiful Wife

No joke, I went to work and when I get home, BAM 10 more pages on this thread. Blown With Dentures



Sorry, gotta go with my many more years of experience on this one PP, Blown WithOUT Dentures. :D

ding ding: New post of the month contender! :D

I still think, and always will think (ouch) that Novice, Recreation, and Intermediate are all the same name, just spelled different.



Rocky,

My favorite new division name is the Recreational Women. Of course I realize that many women might prefer the new Recreational Men division.

As a matter of fact, I bet there are many Pro Men who would not object to having a Recreational Woman assigned to each Pro Men's group - just for experience sake mind you. As for the Professional Women, I'll have to let them speak for themselves. I have no experience with them at all.

I think the whole thing is comical. There is a move towards color coding the divisional structure. That would be much simpler and not unlike the United States Cycling Federation where I used to be able to participate as a category 1,2,3,or 4.

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> personal attacked deleted</font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!

Edited by MTL_The_Moderator (01/23/08 05:16 PM)



AWESOME!!!

:confused:



I guess i'm going deer hunting because i live 8 miles from Buckhorn...

These old fellers are funny

Beefy White Dispatch

So Doc is last what

so now u are changing the initials?

problem solved :oBlushing With Dissapointment

problem solved :oBlushing With Dissapointment



lol

well played.

Back to the point of this thread.

So far looks like a guy from IL is taking advantage of the new ruling.

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charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> personal attacked deleted</font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!

Edited by MTL_The_Moderator (01/23/08 05:16 PM)





Stack I hope and pray this was not directed @ my wife.

the new rule has nothing to do with him.

if his rating is 975 and he has accepted cash, he has to play open or masters or whatever the case it.

the new rule has nothing to do with him.

if his rating is 975 and he has accepted cash, he has to play open or masters or whatever the case it.



Cool Thanks for the heads up!

charlotte is a massive electro magnet, and the players are robots. What can you do.



<font color="blue"> personal attacked deleted</font>
wondering why CLT guys dont go out for burgers when they got veal @ home... gets the gas face!



Not a personal attack. It's called a metaphor. Or is it a simile. I get those two confused.

You are a sports journalist and you don't know a metaphor when you see one?

You can't understand that Stack was talking about playing your courses when we have primo courses at home and events (local series and such)?

Wow. I got it immediately. He even added in a second metaphor to drive the point home.

Charlotte folks don't always like to travel. I personally am not interested in Buckhorn anymore (3 tournaments there is plenty for this lefty)...

I suggest you retract your ill-realized personal attack decision, mr Moderator.

Does better courses suggest a higher level of ..........nevermind, only the charlotte guys and other sharp wiTTed folks are gonna get it if I post it. Give up Matt, you are dealing with a "Big Watching Dictator".

Lower fees and can make more off the Plastic sales



This is what I have always said...there are no Ams in this sport. There never have been and unless we change the competition structure of the game there never will be.

As long as we continue to "PAYOUT" (an absolutely ridiculous term in an Am event) plastic to competitors that say they are Ams (but they aren't) it will never change.

Seriously, try playing a sport where you only get a trophy for 1st or 2nd place. Where you could show up Friday, compete, get beat, and go home.

Or you could play disc golf and pitch a fit when $1 of your entry goes to something other than your precious plastic "PAYOUT".

All disc golfers that compete in PDGA events are Pros. All divisions expect a "PAYOUT".

Kirk




Kirk, you know (better than others) that I agree with you whole heartedly on this, but the onus is not entirely on the PDGA, they merely set guidelines. It is the TD's that need to change the competitive structure of the sport and the players that need to demand and embrace that change. Certainly the PDGA can help drive that change but the blame (or responsibility) doesn't lie solely with them.

Most TD's are too scared that no one with show up for their event to try the change to true AM structure. Most TD's don't even offer trophy only at their events.

can't we all just get along?

I said that like 10 pages ago

Before you post I am very aware of the Ratings change.





Cool Thanks for the heads up!

Word is Schweb..


You can't understand that Stack was talking about playing your courses when we have primo courses at home and events (local series and such)?



I knew what stack was saying. However, Stack is new to the sport. How many rounds has he played in this far east? To call this area Skanky is like saying Britney is a good mother.

Guys, this has to be the most pages on 1 thread in a day, ever. Has to be a record. :cool:
I haven't reupped my membership, yet, and am clueless on this new pro/am rating thing. Can someone catch me up?

Also, Stack, how can you not call Schweb elite?! :confused:
Keep in mind that there is a difference b/w pro and am when playing in tournaments. I do not think you can compare someone's performance as a pro against the am field because they did not play in that division. Same layout, same whatever, it doesn't matter...my opinion.
Keep up the discussion, guys, I think it's healthy! And entertaining...here's the popcorn. ;)

What was the question again??

Boys Without Dignity

What's a player rating? Why are you looking at them? You should be watching where your disc is going. Listen up boys, Life comes at you pretty fast and hits pretty hard sometimes. Disc Golf is a wonderful sport played by wonderful people. Let�s keep it that way!!
I look forward to shaking off my cobwebs and my kids and having a grand ole time with all of you during a wet and cold seventh annual Buckhorn Open. See how fast life comes? Seven! Remember when this thread used to start with guessing how bad the weather would be?

im still scratching my head over how its a personal attack... do i need to somehow apologize to the courses in Raleigh? It was a metaphor... and a JOKE! kinda like the post I quoted by Sjur about the robots and magnet... he was actually talking about the players are robots and I dont consider that a personal attack... so insinuating that our courses are better than another cities courses is?

Kozak... im new to the sport but not as new as my pdga # and i think i've played on your card a couple times this year and possible a couple years back... from what I remember you had a similar sense of humor and could be rather sarcastic (which I can appreciate) ... so I def. would think you would get it and take it with a grain of salt.

There was a post quoting that post calling me a bonehead and insulting my intelligence by I dont think its a personal attack... i thought it was funny (if it wasnt meant to be then thats just sad)... but not a personal attack and I would think that would be an example of one 1000 times over my post.

No I hadnt played that many of the courses in the raleigh area... but it was a joke based on what i've heard from charlotte and raleigh guys.... want a person attack about a course... read the article on radl's homepage about cedarock... how can they let that stuff be published when it insinuates negative things about the course?!

and Schweb is awesome... he is amazing... and I think he is one of the best in the sport but I didnt group him along w/ schultz/climo/the likes solely on the fact that he can't/doesnt get a chance to get out to all of the majors like those guys do... i thought i mentioned it in the post but i think if he did he would easily be @ their level or above... big fan of the thumber king and the 1 X Schwebbie Stamped Whippets when that time comes!!!

and 'cant we all just get along'... i used to think so... i just got jumped on for making a joke/metaphor about courses between 2 cities that constantly joke back and forth... and for running numbers on a claim by a player to test a hypothesis. All by a person

Banned Without Due process ;)

I hope I get to play with you again! Oh......... wait Im stroking your ego ;) Kevin you suck and I hope you die in a fiery bus accident. In fact don't come or even play the game of disc golf again!

Is that right PP? Or am I liking his arse also?

Stack..... you bit off more than you can chew on this one. I don,t know who started the Charlotte vs Raleigh course stuff, but this thread is about
CASHING PRO's playing advanced. So take your critiques to another thread.

I think Kirk had a great point about us all being pro's if we accept a pay out. Plastic, check, or cash what's the difference?

For me the difference has been in the past, most plastic pay outs were Innova only. Due to many different reasons. If you were a brand loyal am like i was an all Innova pay out was great or worth nothing in my case because I favored Discraft discs.

I also agree with stick and the responsibility of the TD to challenge some of these guys in there decision.

I hope I get to play with you again! Oh......... wait Im stroking your ego ;) Kevin you suck and I hope you die in a fiery bus accident. In fact don't come or even play the game of disc golf again!

Is that right PP? Or am I liking his arse also?



This comment was meant for Kevin and PP. Not you Stack sorry buddy.

Before you post I am very aware of the Ratings change.





Cool Thanks for the heads up!





Thanks Carter that was not Pro on my end :(

I think Kirk had a great point about us all being pro's if we accept a pay out. Plastic, check, or cash what's the difference?



So what's your argument then. They're just playing the Pro division that there Rating FALLS IN but they get PAYED in plastic.

This thread, although intertaining, is a perfect example of how sarcasm breeds mindless bickering. I see thread after thread where someone trys to be cute or sarcastic or joke around, and it goes over like a turd in a punchbowl. YOU CAN"T TYPE SARCASM...everyone won't get it...you'll end up spending 2 pages explaining your weak effort at humor. So anyway, our defensive nature as males and boredom will of course keep this problem alive, shame. Fun reading though :D

huh????

B_S,


I think Kirk had a great point about us all being pro's if we accept a pay out. Plastic, check, or cash what's the difference?



Which reinforces my point about using colors or numbers to mark the divisions and not names. Takes out the ambiguity and eliminates all the trivial debates over names. BTW, I think this does relate to the common perception of "bagging" so it is a little on topic. There would be no false "bagging" if everyone played in a color-coded division based on their player rating, only "true bagging" which is intentionally playing poorly to hold down ones player rating but I don't really call people who do that baggers. True baggers are more aptly described by the term "loser" I think.

Stack,


im still scratching my head over how its a personal attack...



As Arlo Guthrie said in "Alice's Restaurant" - "It's just another case of "american blind justice"'. MTL can censor dirty words that have clean intentions, but he can't censor clean words that have dirty intentions. Bet he wanted to censor my earlier post, but couldn't do it without literally censoring the new division names - which was one of the points I was trying to make.

im still scratching my head over how its a personal attack... do i need to somehow apologize to the courses in Raleigh? It was a metaphor... and a JOKE! kinda like the post I quoted by Sjur about the robots and magnet... he was actually talking about the players are robots and I dont consider that a personal attack... so insinuating that our courses are better than another cities courses is?




Stack- think of all the people that volunteer time and money into building course's in Raleigh. All the people that organize workdays and run doubles to raise funds for course development. Those are the people who are most offend by your statement. Has this been blown out of proportion? I think so. Think of your mouth like a tube of toothpaste. Once you squeeze is out its impossible to get back in!

thanks Wiggins and great song! but you forgot the next line after blind justice... "and there's nothing you can do about it" (and i never even got to see 27 8x10 glossy photos with all kinds of circles and arrows with paragraphs on the back ;)

and as far as censoring dirty words... crazy thing is... it was judged as a personal attack (seeing eye dog must've decided that one ... note... &lt;-- this is another alice's rest. reference not a personal attack)

BOYS WHINING like DIVAS

Stack part of the problem is your reputation and history of personal attacks on message boards both here and the Charlotte site. If it has been all in fun then you need to explain that to all the folks you've "ripped in humor". Then you may want to explain it to those you call friends who also think you carry things too far.

I'll leave you with a little story about your potential and what could have been. Without going into detail, you could of had something real special in this sport. Something that most competitive players covet. However you were passed over due to the fact that you don't know when to just shut up.

However you were passed over due to the fact that you don't know when to just shut up.



I think that is the first time I've ever read that on the message board and it wasn't directed towards me :D

However you were passed over due to the fact that you don't know when to just shut up.


What are you talking about Buzz, Stack is the PDGA infoGuy. He's just spitn Stats facts. Stack keep up your so called Ripn because it's caused several pages on discussion and humor. It just sucks some Tools aren't as sharp in this here shed

Big Whiney Di.. nevermind

However you were passed over due to the fact that you don't know when to just shut up.



I think that is the first time I've ever read that on the message board and it wasn't directed towards me :D


But in a certain way it is because if Stack would shut up hopefully you'd follow

huh????



Too much Dr. Phil?

Stack , The word Bonehead came from me, and was not meant to be offensive.

Minbi Thumber

Bending while disregarded

Baggers Will Dominate :D

booty will drop

bed wetting discer

Born With Diquindamouf

Born With Diquindamouf


That is a very serious condition and should not be taken lightly Hal. ;)

babies wet diapers... you nc guys do so much pissing at each other i'm starting to think you're actually texans.

BOYS WHINING like DIVAS

Stack part of the problem is your reputation and history of personal attacks on message boards both here and the Charlotte site. If it has been all in fun then you need to explain that to all the folks you've "ripped in humor". Then you may want to explain it to those you call friends who also think you carry things too far.

I'll leave you with a little story about your potential and what could have been. Without going into detail, you could of had something real special in this sport. Something that most competitive players covet. However you were passed over due to the fact that you don't know when to just shut up.



I'll leave you with a little story about a young TD with connections and ambitions, but couldn't be responsible with the purse. Actually, why don't you tell it, as I am not a part of it.

It also makes me think of Blake Huffman. Oh what could have been...........another person on the disciplinary list of shame. Has Blake returned yet?

Man PP You play DIrty!

Bad With Dinero!

i could have swore it was Big Wave Dave??? :D
i guess we could make it a contest. i will set up a poll with the top 20 Accronym's (msp) for B.W.D. and let you guys pick the best then i guess i will chang my username. :D

thats hoTT

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I can't believe I cashed 23 out of 32 events last year in what is by far the hardest part of the world to cash (and 5 of those misses I was hurt), was on the lead card of a super tour the final round and averaged in the 1000 teens 3 seperate tournaments and finished 2nd at 3 tournaments and you don't think that's solid



12 of the top 60 rated players in the world are from California. 3 are from North Carolina. How is that the hardest part of the world to cash?

Mitch, this is MTL's world and discussion bored. You don't have options, and facts or stats have obviously not worked for others. Try alternative interventions. Good luck!


Babes With Devices

Babes With Devices


that's a top 5 for sure

Ju know what I wanted to puTT

Ju know what I wanted to puTT



I know!

Quote: Mitch, this is MTL's world and discussion bored

But I am not bored with MTL's board!!! Ok, facts don't matter, I will just continue to read. My invention rocks!!!

It's the website that sucks!!!

A for effort Carbone

Bob Washes Dishes

I try. I will be at the DISC ROAST at the Country Course in NC next October. I do love the golf back there!!

Big Wave Dave, is Historical, he welcomes all discgolfers to all tournaments, or wherever he may be. This must stay.

But for fun BWD= Best With Divas, thats his only replacment.
Word up
Mini Thumber, an Advanced Old Rec Player :D

Bomb Warlock Drives ;)

Mitch, this is MTL's world and discussion bored. You don't have options, and facts or stats have obviously not worked for others. Try alternative interventions. Good luck!



Wow, you have a lot more respect for me than I thought. saying this is my discussion board - wow!

Thanks Craig!

Good luck in Advanced this year! 1 for 1 so far!

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I can't believe I cashed 23 out of 32 events last year in what is by far the hardest part of the world to cash (and 5 of those misses I was hurt), was on the lead card of a super tour the final round and averaged in the 1000 teens 3 seperate tournaments and finished 2nd at 3 tournaments and you don't think that's solid



12 of the top 60 rated players in the world are from California. 3 are from North Carolina. How is that the hardest part of the world to cash?



actually through the first half of 2007 you had to shoot an average of 975 to cash in open in nc and 977 to cash in cali. throw out one event in cali where it appears they paid everyone (steady ed) and it goes to just shy of 980. to cash in virginia in the same time period you had to shoot 981!!!!!

i'll finish the year tonight or tomorrow when i get time.

2 for 2

Stats for beating MTL in 2008 rounds. ;)

Better Watch your Daughter!

Whether I was important enough to you to know the "insider story" doesn't matter to me, nor would I really want to have to be included in something of the magnitude I am thinking this is. As for the directness and courage to ask, well, what happened then in your opinion Rick? How much courage would you have to muster to post the story for us to read? Could it possibly be contested by others? Maybe you should get on that new gameshow.

bobert's willing dominion

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A young man had finally decided to move away from his families home. He had packed his only possession, a little dinner plate, and left without a word. After many days of wandering, he began to starve. Suddenly, his nose caught fire with the smell of food. He ran and ran until he found himself in a bazaar of sorts. People were everywhere. His hunger panged in his gut.
"Free food for the guys with the orange hats," the bearded man yelled into the crowd.
"Where can i get an Orange hat," asked the young man nervously.
"Oh, you cant have one; Sorry sir, no CHANCE at this food, now move along."
The younger man sulked at this let down. Why couldn't he sit down and eat the bountiful meal with the older bearded gentlemen. Our friend had nearly given up hope, and was about to leave, when from another side of the crowded fairground he heard a burley voice exclaim. "Free food for the guys with Blue hats," and again, "People with Blue hats, step right up." Our friend made his way through the crowd. He saw the man with the growling burley voice, and behind him, well, food for miles. "Can I help you," bellowed the man.
"Oh, well, hello sir, I am very hungry, where can i get a Blue hat?"
"All you have to do is ask my friend. No codes or restrictions here. "
"WOW, thats great. You mean they have all this food and i can just ask for a Blue hat and be part of it?"
"Thats right! We let anyone in to our feast."
The young mans face swiveled from side to side as he eyed through the crowd. Everything was wonderful, and then, suddenly he was stumped by what he saw. There were men with orange hats eating at the tables. Well, they had on Blue hats, but also orange ones!!! "Sir," the young shouted, "those men have on orange hats!!!"
"Oh thats OK my little friend," boomed the man, " We let all people who wish join us here." The Large man spread his arms wide to demonstrate that he meant the whole crowd. The younger man looked confused. "But sir, There is another area on the other side of the fairground, where..." he paused, " where the orange hats are eating!" Suddenly, a loud grumble came from the large man, it was followed by a deep, exhaustive laugh. It was so loud that many a person turned his head to see what was so funny. When he finished laughing, the large man took a deep breath " why young man, you must be new here," the young man nodded, "Well, it could mean many things. Maybe there are not a lot of orange hats around today, and these gentlemen didn't want to eat alone, or with just a small crowd," said the large man. As the young man listened he curiously eyed all the people eating, and nodded his head. "But thats not all," the large man said, "Maybe the Orange hats came and saw that the Blue hats in here had smaller plates. You see," the large man continued, and bent over to console the confused young man, "The Blue hats always have better food, but somedays, only blue hats with small plates show up. When an Orange hat sees that he has a chance at better food, AND with a bigger plate.... well my boy," he said " do you see where Im going?" The young man looked down at his shoes. After a moment he looked up. "But, how come they can eat here and when they see that it benefits them, or when they are just a few, but...... but, they wont let anyone else into their area?" At this, the large man pursed his lips and began to knuckle his forehead. "Well son, " said the large man, " I guess thats just the way it is. Some people have choices, they are free to move about the the fairground.... kind of like an all access pass." The young man quickly stammered in, "what about blue hats?" The large man shook his head and frowned. "The Blue hats have it rough here. Usually, there a lot of them around. Sometimes there are quite a few with large, gigantic plates. On these days, there just isn't enough food...." "but sir" the young man interrupted, " Where else can the blue hats go to get food?" The Large man took another deep breath, " its very difficult.. you see, once a blue had has eaten in the blue tent, he cant eat anywhere else, well, at least not for a long time. The Orange hats are free to go where the food is better, or the plates are smaller, but the Blue hat cannot. It is just the way it is."
The young mans eyes began to tear up and he said, "but i just got here, and i have only this tiny, tiny, plate to eat with. Where can I go?
"Well, my boy," said the Large man, "you can go into the Blue tent, but there is a chance your small plate wont get any food. But, you can also go where all the other very small plates go." The young mans eyes lit up with hope. "where is that, please tell me, Im so hungry"... "Well," The large man said, " you can go to a vender and he will give you vitamin pills. They are like food, but without the familiar smell, and texture."
He could not take anymore. It was all so confusing. How come some people could go where ever they wanted, and some were could not. The young man began to walk away, shoulders slumped. Behind him he heard words echoing from the large mans chest and mouth. "Be careful my boy, for one day, you will want real food and not those vitamin pills any longer. Make sure you are ready for real food. Bring a large plate back with you, because once you've tasted the Blue hats food, and receive your own blue hat.... you're stuck with them. Remember, a big plate...!"
-sjur-

2 for 2

Stats for beating MTL in 2008 rounds. ;)





wow comparing your play to mine!!

wow, 2 for 2 tonight on major compliments.

It helps balance out all my posts! ;)

But for fun BWD= Best With Divas,


another instant top 5. might even be my fave.

heres a big wave for ya rock Aloha

This thread just exceeded the length of the 2008 Worlds thread started in August. WOW!

Big Wave Dances!

It is an interesting topic. (But With Drift's) :DOne that I think will come up again and again this year.

babies wet diapers... you nc guys do so much pissing at each other i'm starting to think you're actually texans.





DOH !!!!!


:o:) :D:D

The only pissing in NC is Yandella on 1f2n's :o

Bald Wave Dave

: ) :

Ouch

Beer Whizzing on Dome

sorry wave, just remember where it's coming from. the hair i do have is turning grey.

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If you want to pursue slander, go for it I say. Implied intent may be something you want to research. Would you care if I submit your name as an entrant to that new reality gameshow?

babies wet diapers... you nc guys do so much pissing at each other i'm starting to think you're actually texans.



But at the end of the Day or round we are still friend. Friends talk the most smack to other friends.

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And seeing as this is story time I have a nother short piece I'd like to share. This is the story of a golfer we'll name PPP. For awhile now PPP has had a problem with me. To each thier own. This is the history of that problem and how it all started.

About 5 years ago PPP asked me on this very message board about potential sponsorship of a friend of his. At the time his friend was an up and coming pro player but he had not yet established himself. That would come shortly after. Our philosophy at the time was to sponsor a small number of the best players in the state. Folks who had established themselves as the best out there and legends walking amongst everyone else. We had a team and a strong team if I may add. So at the time we decided to decline sponsorship to the friend. Partly due to the fact that he had yet to make a name for himself and partly due to the fact that we were still trying to collect a bill of $450 from the friends brother. You see the friends brother was his sponsor. And he came to us to get merchandise to help his family member out. Needless to say we never got paid. Amazing how those that call themselves friends like to borrow money and merch yet never want to pay it back. It really is all abouth the money.

The moral of this story: "when all else fails a swift backhand upside the head should be your next course of action"


There it is PPP in a nutshell
LMFAO I said nutshell not even thinking about the comment I made earlier concerning the peanuts you grew. Hope she is still happy.

Once again I'll see you on a course soon.



I totally asked you about sponsoring the established player Michael Johanson from the Charlotte area. Can you ellaborate more with some specifics on what else you just said? I do have a brother Jeff who lives in MassachuseTTs but he has never played disc golf, and just told me he is wondering about a lawsuit because you just implied PPP's brother owes you $450. We all know my other name on the streets is the Premier Polish Power, since several other Pollocks have jumped into the disc golf game. So please, explain in some detail and with specifics what you just said please. No need for faulty perceptions on this one. Thanks
Craig

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sorry wave, just remember where it's coming from. the hair i do have is turning grey.

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there was an emplied smiley at the end of my post. wish i could make the ice bowl this weekend!!

Slander (slan-der)

1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2.A false and malicious statement or report about someone.


I was right. It's pretty self explanatory.

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I totally asked you about sponsoring the established player Michael Johanson from the Charlotte area. Can you ellaborate more with some specifics on what else you just said? I do have a brother Jeff who lives in MassachuseTTs but he has never played disc golf, and just told me he is wondering about a lawsuit because you just implied PPP's brother owes you $450. We all know my other name on the streets is the Premier Polish Power, since several other Pollocks have jumped into the disc golf game. So please, explain in some detail and with specifics what you just said please. No need for faulty perceptions on this one. Thanks
Craig



OK I'll try this again and maybe a little slower.
I did not say PPP's brother. I said PPP's friends brother.

Are you referring to my username on the CDGC website? It's no secret Rick. And for clarity, I have a beef with you because of inconsistent payouts at events, IOU's and trophy discs that never got received, and numerous inquiries to our club here in charlotte on how to get things that were paid for but never sent by a disc golf company that once resided here, despite numerous contact attempts, and public posting by said responsible party on the board and not getting in touch with those that paid for things. Just didn't care for that. As for any of your lady friends, I have no comment. That is wrong, and what got someone else on this thread put on probation. I expect to see your name there shortly, but won't lose any sleep over it. I'll gladly go on that show with you to compare perceptions if you would like. Bet that could be really entertaining!

And also, when I asked you in 2004/2005 why you didn't sponsor MJ, didn't his top 10 USDGC prove he was pretty good by then?

And I decided to make the username Dirty Harry as one of the first CDGC posters. It was never used by anyone before that. Nice try dick color.

Like I said, if you must pursue legal conflict, I am game.

Partly due to the fact that he had yet to make a name for himself and partly due to the fact that we were still trying to collect a bill of $450 from the friends brother.


Definately states PPP's brother from the context. Wonder who PPP really is. PP does have a brother Jeff, as well as a sister Mary. Both are attorneys with Pratt &amp; Whitney. Maybe PPP should contact PP for some legal advice.

Are you referring to my username on the CDGC website? It's no secret Rick. And for clarity, I have a beef with you because of inconsistent payouts at events, IOU's and trophy discs that never got received, and numerous inquiries to our club here in charlotte on how to get things that were paid for but never sent by a disc golf company that once resided here, despite numerous contact attempts, and public posting by said responsible party on the board and not getting in touch with those that paid for things. Just didn't care for that. As for any of your lady friends, I have no comment. That is wrong, and what got someone else on this thread put on probation. I expect to see your name there shortly, but won't lose any sleep over it. I'll gladly go on that show with you to compare perceptions if you would like. Bet that could be really entertaining!



Go back and look up the thread about your trophy disc. I clearly stated that all you had to do was supply an address and I would be more than happy to ship it to you. You never replied.
Inconsistent payouts? Not real sure what you're referring to here. All of our payouts for sanctioned events are on record with the PDGA.
Any dealings I had with the club were with the leaders of the club. Not just some random member like yourself. And so you know, anyone who bought something from the DL site got thier merchandise. Once again please get your facts straight before making wild accusations.

Sooner or later you're going to have to quit bringing up stuff from at least 2 1/2 years ago. You got the answer to your question. Now get over it. Move on. Or if you want to let it fester I've told you numerous times. I am not hard to find. If you really feel the need to release all that pent up anxiety look me up. Don't forget your peanuts.

Partly due to the fact that he had yet to make a name for himself and partly due to the fact that we were still trying to collect a bill of $450 from the friends brother.


Definately states PPP's brother from the context. Wonder who PPP really is. PP does have a brother Jeff, as well as a sister Mary. Both are attorneys with Pratt &amp; Whitney. Maybe PPP should contact PP for some legal advice.



There is PPP and then there is PPP's friend, the one he was trying to secure sponsorship for. It states "partly due to the fact that we were still trying to collect a bill of $450 from the friends brother." See friend's brother, not PPP's brother.

So.... Who's baggin @ buckhorn?

And so you know, anyone who bought something from the DL site got thier merchandise.



The few times I ordered from them online, I received exactly what I asked for.

Also, rick lost some bets with me and made it even for me with cheaper entry fees. 2004 Fall Finale for 25 dollars was SWEET!

Sorry for the thread drift folks. Dirty laundry has a way of showing up in the strangest of places.

I'll be there and am looking forward to my first buckhorn event

Rick, you should proof read then before you post. I will send you a pm with my brother's phone number. He wants you to talk to him. You can send him the discs you owe me.

Trust me Craig. I look forward to delivering your disc to you in person.