Borg could hit 1100+ round rating IF he birdies three of the next four holes. I think it will take -14 to do it.

Wow! Barry or Borg? Who will it be?

The beauty is watching Borg's casual and effortless form off the tee and putting. He doesn't look like he should be schooling anyone, but he sure gets the job done.

Hey Matt
How's that Kicker sound system working?

1100 that's NICE :D

go dave, do it for the hhome tteam.

Watch out for that Black Grand Rapids Dogs of Disc putter he jump putts with take it home BORG!!!!!

One down, two out of three to go...

The lead! This is crazy.

Even if Borg "only" makes it to -13, it will be the best round of all time in the SSA range from 54 to 59.9 topping Barry's 1092 round of 45 at White Park in the 2006 BG NT.

Anybody have word on how second card is playing? McBeth making a very STRONG early statement in the Rookie of the Year race here with GCC and now Memorial.

Borg needs two more birdies for a completely balls out insane -15.

This is intense :) :)

I want to see Borg birdie them both, but I also want to see a playoff!

... Barry needs an eagle or an ace!

Barry is shooting more than 30 points over his rating and losing in this round by 4...

So, what you're telling me is... he's being assimilated.

Chuck, I know it's been discussed on various threads, but off the top of your head (no need to dig into numbers), do you know what the official highest rated round ever has been? Does Borg have a shot at it?

Barry is shooting more than 30 points over his rating and losing in this round by 4...


Helps explain the value of a "rating"

Or, why your rating doesn't mean that's all you're capable of shooting ... it's just an average.

down to the last hole...... :confused:

U know Borg is gonna 2 18 it :) :)

what would be better?

Borg could hit 1100+ round rating IF he birdies three of the next four holes. I think it will take -14 to do it.



Conditions are a little easier today than on Thursday. Still, -13 is pretty darn salty.

It'd be interesting to know who is putting first and what the other person elected to do. Dave will probably lay up if Barry misses.

Or, why your rating doesn't mean that's all you're capable of shooting ... it's just an average.



And both Barry and Dave have been playing lights out this tournament..

Paul suffering from a McCollapse :( No 17 year old in the top 5 at this NT. Still a **** fine showing this weekend from him, regardless of what place he winds up in exactly.

Highest rated round is 1117 by Brian Skinner on May 29, 2005 with a 41 on the Grange Dark Side with an SSA of 53.7. However, we have to break the records into SSA ranges because comparing an SSA 48 course to an SSA 62 course is apples and oranges. So Skinner has the record for 48-53.9 SSA courses. If Borg ends up -13, he'll top Schultz in the 54-59.9 range. At -14 he should make it to 1100. And, looking at the scores, he needs a birdie to do it on 18. A -15 would have still put him several points behind Skinner but on a course about 5 shots higher SSA.

BTW, the final hole is the dam hole where Timmy Gill did not look at his score (he said he normally doesn't), went for it, went OB and took a 5 when playing for a safe par would have won the event. Fortunately, he won the playoff over Barry.

Highest rated round is 1117 by Brian Skinner on May 29, 2005 with a 41 on the Grange Dark Side with an SSA of 53.7. However, we have to break the records into SSA ranges because comparing an SSA 48 course to an SSA 62 course is apples and oranges. So Skinner has the record for 48-53.9 SSA courses. If Borg ends up -13, he'll top Schultz in the 54-59.9 range. At -14 he should make it to 1100. And, looking at the scores, he needs a birdie to do it on 18. A -15 would have still put him several points behind Skinner but on a course about 5 shots higher SSA.

BTW, the final hole is the dam hole where Timmy Gill did not look at his score (he said he normally doesn't), went for it, went OB and took a 5 when playing for a safe par would have won the event. Fortunately, he won the playoff over Barry.



Wow..more than i hoped for..thank you Chuck!

second group news???????? I hope nikko tore it up......

Is that the only 1100+ rated round?

what about Barry's 39 at wakanda park in 06? that had to be close to 1100

Real close at 1099. :eek:

Real close at 1099. :eek:



Sadly, the past 3 years I've been satisfied with an 899 round..lol

BORG BIRDS! WINS BY 2! -14! LOTS OF RANDOM YELLING!

Feldberg wins

Feldberg is the MAN!!

ta da! Borg takes it home

Feldberg is the MAN

Congrats Dave Feldberg! Two aces and lights out golf and Barry STILL couldnt take it..wow.

I Called it yesterday Dave u the man :)

SICK as HELL. After barry aces to still stay focused, now thats game!

Chris Schmidt
TEAM GDS
TEAM Long Tee

Imagine how much fun this would have been if it was on TV!

Is that the only 1100+ rated round?



It might be until today. I need to update the stats for events after March 2007 by getting a new file from Roger thru the end of 2007.

Looks like it's official with Dave at -14. Let's see if the unofficial rating breaks 1100 when the scores are posted.

-14 pretty sick... and no aces!!

Doc, he is the man and could use a good adjustment :)

Congrats Dave! Innova top three and then some!

We may see 1100+ round rating next to Borg's name shortly ...



From what I heard from various players, scores were generally improved across the board from Thursday, meaning the SSA might be as much a throw or two below Thursday's SSA. Gonna be tough to get the 1100. With no hard data whatsoever, I predict it's a 1092 round.

We would have been able to guess by now if they had been posting the scores all day long as groups came in like they have in the past. Not enough staff to do it this year or technical issues?

A 1092 would tie Barry for best in the SSA range and 1093 or more would be best ever for any course of SSA 54 or higher.

any word on 1st place payout? should be huge, maybe 3 g's?

chuck
is this years memorial the highest rated rounds between two players competing for first the entire way through. do you have any kind of info like this? looks like each player averaged around 1070ish WOW

Great job Liz!!!

is this years memorial the highest rated rounds between two players competing for first the entire way through. do you have any kind of info like this?


Could be the highest. The stats are in there but I don't have an easy way to dig. Not too many NTs that are just 54 holes where it's statistically "easier" to average higher than it would be in 72 holes or more like Worlds.

If those round ratings hold up officially, then not only will Feldberg have the top rated round in the 54-60 category but McCabe will slip into third behind Barry. Nate just missed top 5 and would be in 6th by one point. Grider and Jernigan slip to a 4th place tie at 1081.

Nice, the fantasy came through. Got the 3rd and 4th spots exact.

LIZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11


I think I am pyschic on my pick this weekend. Called you to take Burl in that last round.

Congratulations to Liz Lopez!!! A phenomenal start to what looks to be an incredible rookie season :D

If those round ratings hold up officially, then not only will Feldberg have the top rated round in the 54-60 category but McCabe will slip into third behind Barry. Nate just missed top 5 and would be in 6th by one point. Grider and Jernigan slip to a 4th place tie at 1081.



Avery Jenkins shot a 47 that last round as well.

Looking at her rating in comparison to the other pro women is remarkable great tourney Liz and a great finish by Mccabe and Jenkins i just wish i could have been there to see that battle with Schultz and Feldberg oh well maybe next year. :)

Was there anyone filming the lead card for that round?

I hope there will be a video it would have to be the best round ever filmed and a big congrats to Mr Doss i cant leave him out with that awesome final round also.

I cant believe Dean Tannock fell apart the final round that is crazy

Avery Jenkins shot a 47 that last round as well.



Way to go Avery. I didn't look down that far. Great bounce back. That would put Avery and Sprout tied for 3rd best round on SSA courses over 54.

Chuck,

Do you take in consideration that the ratings may be a little inflated for the top pro's due to some of the holes being unreachable by many of the other divisions. It makes the course 3 to 4 shots extra for the divisions that can't clear many of the water hazards.

Take the ladies for instance.....They play a significantly longer track since they have to go the long way around on some of the holes. Could some of the ladies scoring below their ratings possibly inflate the high end ratings of the pros?

Interesting you mention this because I thought the same thing. If there's any set of courses where there are water crossings too far for many players to carry, it's these two. So in 2003 we tested the idea by comparing the SSA produced by the top 50 propagators and by 50 propagators around an 875 average. Turns out both produced the same SSA within a few tenths. I also forecasted the SSA before we had the scoring data and presented the Forecaster we had developed for the DGCD at the Summit meeting. Those forecasts came within a few tenths overall and no more than 3 tenths variance on individual hole predictions.

All we can figure is that the top players take enough OB penalties going for the water carries and other OB in comparison to the lower rated players who have to go around on some holes and play safer on average.

If you really take a good look at the Women and the Grandmasters, it's hard to say there isn't something there?

It's hard to buy the guys are playing 50+ pts over their ratings and the best women are playing below ......hmmmmm?....At those two courses if you can carry water 350ft+ and can throw a consistent 380-420ft drive those courses are very "handy".

I'm about to leave and play today but take a look at a grouping of Open players who have ratings that match the top women ratings and shot +8 or higher like the women. Looks to me like they shot about the same or even worse at first glance. I took a quick look at last year and it looks like the top women beat their rating at Memorial.

Could someone please post a link to whatever page shows live scoring?

Barry's 2nd ACE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdX2OJ3E3vM

can't find the fist one

Three Texans in the top 10 in the advanced field, NICE!!!

Every shot of the final round was filmed. (ace included)
Coming soon:
www.discgolftv.com (http://www.discgolftv.com)

Sweet Timmy!!!!

Was the Destroyer the cause of these great ratings? wondering if the Innova boys use them and/or love them?

Great shooting Jerry H. way to represent the 505 :D Don't bing that national tour play to L-Town :oHope to see you at the BAB this year!!!!

Oh Bratten good finish.

Something that nobody mentioned was that an Advanced player hit an Ace too. Hole 18 at Vista, Trey McKelvey from San Diego, nailed the chains with about 15 onlookers. Trey finished in 3rd place.

And the battle between Barry and the Borg was definitely one that was worth watching. Barry got robbed of a bird on 17 which would have made 18 that much more exciting. But Feldberg's putt on 18 was a thing of beauty.

Something I'm sure nobody noticed. The 2007 1st-3rd in Intermediate all tied this year.

Thanks to everyone. That was as a great event and an awsome vacation.

I think Daves putt on 15 was more beautiful than his on 18.

55+ feet out and looking straight at OB behind the basket.....NAILED it to take the lead..

15 was good, 16's was better but 18 was for the win. He held the outcome in his hand and he deliverd. He looked like it was hole 1 and the tournament was just beginning. Cool under pressure. A great start to the year.

15 was good, 16's was better but 18 was for the win. He held the outcome in his hand and he deliverd. He looked like it was hole 1 and the tournament was just beginning. Cool under pressure. A great start to the year.




Heck the putt opn the 1st hole is always the hardest for me. :D

Barry's 2nd ACE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JdX2OJ3E3vM

can't find the fist one



Charles matheson aced the same hole last year (they were numbered differently), but from the left-handed side:

Matheson Memorial Ace (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7GhEM5ZY2zc)

Oh, man. I am so going next year. Take off the week starting with the GCC...

My buddy just sent me some pictures from the Memorial, and Climo was wearing a sick polo. Looked like chains in the form of a "maple leaf". It said "Ikon Flight" under it. Did anyone see that? Does anyone know where I can get one?

After all, gotta look classy for the Steady Ed...

-b

So, I am at the Memorial right now sitting in Dukes. I just got Avery to sign up for the Fantasy Disc Golf site. So, you might not be able to beat him in real life, but now you have the chance to beat him online!

And don't forget that there is a $5 league where every week you have the chance to win a disc provided by one of our sponsors. And right now, we have VERY FEW people signed up. Those discs are going to be very easy to come by! And I am having some meetings with some great disc golf companies working on more sponsorship.

There is only 1 day left to get your picks in. Sign up at http://www.fantasydg.com. Remember, if you want to wait until after the Memorial to sign up for the Pro or Adv division, I will still take your picks you make in the free Novice league and move them to Pro or Adv league. But you have to sign up before the next NT event!

http://www.fantasydg.com



Any idea when we might see some updates as to what the results were in Fantasyland for The Memorial? Fantasy Disc Golf will be a nice fantasy fix until NFL.
Peace

Oh, man. I am so going next year. Take off the week starting with the GCC...

My buddy just sent me some pictures from the Memorial, and Climo was wearing a sick polo. Looked like chains in the form of a "maple leaf". It said "Ikon Flight" under it. Did anyone see that? Does anyone know where I can get one?

After all, gotta look classy for the Steady Ed...

-b


I'm sure the polo he was wearing was from Steve Ricos family construction business. The name of their company is IKON construction. Steve and Bamba were also wearing them.

http://www.fantasydg.com



Any idea when we might see some updates as to what the results were in Fantasyland for The Memorial? Fantasy Disc Golf will be a nice fantasy fix until NFL.
Peace

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It's my good buddy that is running the Fantasy League. We spoke about it on the plane ride home last night and I think he plans to have things updated and posted by late Monday evening (tonight).

Of course there are always a few kinks that need to be worked out but so far, so good. It should be an exciting year. I know I had 2 of the top 4 picked but none of them in the right spots.

Darn you Feldberg :mad:I had Barry winning it! Congrats pal!

Ter

Feldberg's unofficial rating is down to 1095. Apparently, some DNF rounds got entered as 888 instead of 999 and the system calculated ratings of 413 for those players which inflated the SSA by a few tenths. Those 888 are now 999s and the unofficial ratings updated.

Hey guys... Sorry for the delay in updating the stuff. Like Terry said, it was a LONG, GREAT week for me at the Memorial, and now I am catching back up in my real life job. I hope to have all the updates by tonight.

The quick reason for it taking this long is because I gave people the opportunity email me their picks for this week. So, I need to hand enter some data tonight. But, I will be updating this and sending out an email.

Thanks for your patience, and I promise these will be up quicker in the future.

You da man!
Thanks

My son Nicholas and I had the rare oppurtunity to caddy the final round for Valarie Jenkins and for Carrie Berlogar. Valarie was a real sweetheart as she chatted up Nick the whole round and still stayed completely focused on the task at hand, to finish up strong with her first big win of the year. Burl is a true professional as she worked her way around the course, never giving up hope even to the very end. I really admired Des Reading, as she was playing with obviously terrible pain from a hip injury. She never complained once and was still playing at the top of her game and was pleasant to be around. Liz Lopez was quite the surprise for me, as I've heard and read about her several times, but never had the chance to meet her or see her play. She was so steady and focused, she made it look as if she's been playing this game forever. Good job to you Liz and keep it up as we'll be watching., and good job to all the ladies. It was a real honor for us to hang with you guys for the day, and we look forward to the next time. Gentlemen, if these ladies come to your town and your not playing, pick up one of their bags for them, they sure will appreciate it and you will be in for the time of your life. :D

Pictures of the events from the entire week can be found at:

http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/album/show?id=1809917:Album:152797

There are shots from the DG Clinic on Tues, FlyMart from Wed., Fountain Hills & The Final Round of Men of shots

My son Nicholas and I had the rare oppurtunity to caddy the final round for Valarie Jenkins and for Carrie Berlogar. Valarie was a real sweetheart as she chatted up Nick the whole round and still stayed completely focused on the task at hand, to finish up strong with her first big win of the year. Burl is a true professional as she worked her way around the course, never giving up hope even to the very end. I really admired Des Reading, as she was playing with obviously terrible pain from a hip injury. She never complained once and was still playing at the top of her game and was pleasant to be around. Liz Lopez was quite the surprise for me, as I've heard and read about her several times, but never had the chance to meet her or see her play. She was so steady and focused, she made it look as if she's been playing this game forever. Good job to you Liz and keep it up as we'll be watching., and good job to all the ladies. It was a real honor for us to hang with you guys for the day, and we look forward to the next time. Gentlemen, if these ladies come to your town and your not playing, pick up one of their bags for them, they sure will appreciate it and you will be in for the time of your life. :D



GREAT photo of Nicholas and Val! That's awesome you guys made it out there! Sorry I missed you but I was at the other course and then headed home. What a wonderful experience for Nicholas too! :cool::D

Nice Pictures. I did notice that you have Eric McCabe's name on Paul McBeth's pictures.

My apologies to Paul. FYI - Those have now been been corrected. Thanks for the HeadZup

Oh, man. I am so going next year. Take off the week starting with the GCC...

My buddy just sent me some pictures from the Memorial, and Climo was wearing a sick polo. Looked like chains in the form of a "maple leaf". It said "Ikon Flight" under it. Did anyone see that? Does anyone know where I can get one?

After all, gotta look classy for the Steady Ed...

-b



Here are some pics of the new Ikon Flight polos, worn by Ken, Steve and Josh in the final round at Vista.

Photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157604088521082/)

Ikon Flight will be launching a new website in the next week or so and you will be able to order them through 19th Hole Disc Golf (http://www.19thholediscgolf.com) - stay tuned for more designs and stamps in the next several weeks.

this may have been brought up somewhere in this thread but... who are the 5 that got the USDGC spots?

From the looks of it it should be
Bratten
McBeth
Nikko
Hickman

and then a 4 way tie for the 5th spot...
Crabtree
Yeti
Sprague
Hoj Nybo

was this played off for or does it go to Kyle for being on top for the best last round?

don't forget about masters

ah yes... good call

in which case it looks more like this (depending on if anyone declined at the event... does that happen?!)

Dan Ginnelly - masters
Mike Milne - masters
Tom Embree - masters
Robbie Bratten - open
Paul McBeth - open

I wish I had good footage of the incredible putt Dave made on 16, but instead I'll share with you the two heartbreakers on 17. Dave had a one stroke lead at this point and had he made this putt he was assured of keeping that lead going into 18.

Feldberg's putt on 17 (http://www.youtube.com/v/7r2cJRH--gU)

Then with opportunity knocking, all Barry had to do was make this putt to tie it up going into hole 18.

Barry's putt on 17 (http://www.youtube.com/v/vj7YxfbdtCU)

Dang, there goes 1100...

reminds me of the Doss / Kalstrom putts during the worlds final. The only consolation is that the basket spit both people as opposed to randomly favoring one putt over the other. Still sucks big time.

Neither putt was all that good. Feldberg's wasn't a spit. It was right all the way. Barry's put was better, but it was still left, a little low, and a bit soft. It could have went in. Dave's had no chance. :eek:

I wish I had good footage of the incredible putt Dave made on 16, but instead I'll share with you the two heartbreakers on 17. Dave had a one stroke lead at this point and had he made this putt he was assured of keeping that lead going into 18.

Feldberg's putt on 17 (http://www.youtube.com/v/7r2cJRH--gU)

Then with opportunity knocking, all Barry had to do was make this putt to tie it up going into hole 18.

Barry's putt on 17 (http://www.youtube.com/v/vj7YxfbdtCU)






Dave's did look off on the video and Barry just needs to find out how to make 20ft putts.

ah yes... good call

in which case it looks more like this (depending on if anyone declined at the event... does that happen?!)

Dan Ginnelly - masters
Mike Milne - masters
Tom Embree - masters
Robbie Bratten - open
Paul McBeth - open




I know that Nikko got a spot....he rode back with me from Arizona and had the entry envelope in his hand. Perhaps someone did decline.

Chap

Ginnelly likely had a TD exemption.

Ginnelly likely had a TD exemption.



That's true...excellent point. That explains it.

Qualified, paid, breaking in the Discraft Force, new shoes.....Feels good to qualify early for once...South Cackalacky here we go...... :D

If you were not happy with the way the first round was setup regardless of what people say about competitive advantage, I would highly recommend contacting the Competition Committee instead of letting it brew up inside. Bringing your disgust in the rules change to someones attention may make you feel better. Try this Link (http://www.pdga.com/contact.php?PHPSESSID=906855a177bc9e808958dd88010d e9bb) and email Cris Bellinger or anyone on the competition committee and be patient, they will get back to you, at least that has been my experience.

Memorial video footage, appearing daily on www.discgolftv.com (http://www.discgolftv.com)

Special thanks to Channel Z Productions and DGTV correspondent Todd Erickson.

I was curious if any of the ams who played the tournament had any thoughts on the no-payout format. I noticed that there were 141 ams last year and 145 this year, so the no-payout format did not seem to impact attendance.

I personally loved the no payout...but that might be because I never had any aspriations of driving the 34 hours and then being able to compete for a win. Not that I could've won it anyway.

The no payout may not be the best option for all tournaments though. Part of the draw for the Memorial was the fact that it was the Memorial and the chance to play on those courses.

The players packs were super sweet! I would go back again!!

I don't have information about the Memorial, but the Wintertime Open has adopted a low/no payout format the past three or four years. The Am side of the event still sells out every year. Basically all Ams pay $25.00 (If PDGA and So Cal current) and receive a basic player package of disc, t-shirt, mini and raffle ticket. The top winners receive a trophy and maybe a disc or two plus more raffle tickets. There is a lot of merchandise in the raffle and all players have a chance to win, but the winners get more chances.

Again, this event sells out year after year (it actually over sells). Part of it could be the event is in February and is one of the first B-Tier events of the year. Part of it could be many players want So Cal Points. Maybe some players want to play at historic Oak Grove. Wintertime Open has been going on for 30 years. It was a very successful event before the format change and has continued to be successful since.

Hope this helps.

how long does it take to administer the raffle??

I was curious if any of the ams who played the tournament had any thoughts on the no-payout format. I noticed that there were 141 ams last year and 145 this year, so the no-payout format did not seem to impact attendance.



I live in the phoenix area and did not play this year because of the high price of entry, no pay out and having to take 3 days off of work instead of two.

I have played 4 times and have never finished lower then 4th in adv masters. If you don�t expect to cash then the players pack would be great �.. I on the other hand did not like what was in the players pack and my payouts in the past where pretty nice.
I would be happy with no payout if the entry fee was $20.00 or less. I really don�t need a player pack filled with stuff I don�t use. I truly missed playing and I will most likely play next year if they lower the entry fee, or go back to a payout format.

The vast majority of players loved the players packages and no payout format. Based on the success this year I don't see any reason to change from that. People don't seem to understand that the same amount of merchandise is being distributed, however it is going out to 100% of the Am field and not just 40%.

how long does it take to administer the raffle??



I am sorry I don't know the answer, I have never been to the Wintertime Am awards. I would imagine about an hour? Rizbee could tell you.

They only play one round on Sunday with a Final 9, so everyone gets to hit the road early even if it takes a while for the awards.

Hey, my buddy Keith played the tourney and took second. They rewarded him a big [censored] basket trophy that was sweet! Believer me you want one. He also shattered the PDGA ratings record in the Ams division by more than 20 points with a 1039 rated round. Now I want to know why no one has written anything about it in the magazine or rewarded the guy for a record breaking round in over 7 years ( that's all that is tracked online but by the looks of it its gotta be the highest ever) Go check it out if you're curious about it. Keith is to humble to say anything but I think he should get recognition for it. Maybe an end of the year inclusion for highest ratings...

Over all though the dude freakin' loved the courses and no payout. The set up he said was like no tourney we have seen in Texas and that's saying a lot if you ask me. Unless you're selling your discs back, you don't really need to play a tourney to get plastic because you are not going to cash half the time anyhow.

peace out

You mean the highest rated am round at the memorial right? I know there other am rounds higher than 1039, like a guy at BG this year had a 1047.

I would guess that the highest am round ever would be Jeb Bryant rnd#6 AM worlds 06 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5513&year=2008&incl ude_ratings=1#Advanced)