Now that MJs is over it's time to focus on the next big event in DFW. On Nov. 3rd and 4th we will be holding our 17th VPO and we will be an "A" tier again. Club members have been working very hard for a year now to make this years event as good as ever. We hope to see you there.
I want to use this first post to test my memory on past Open Champions....
'91 Craig Leyva
'92 Billy West
'93 Mike Sayer
'94 Matt Frank
'95 Mike Sayer (beating Climo by 4, his worst loss that year)
'96 Scott Stokely
'97 Scott Stokely
'98 Barry Shultz
'99 Ken Climo
'00 Barry Shultz
'01 Ron Russell

here's where I get a little fuzzy, but I believe it went
'02 Cam Todd
'03 Ron Russell
'04 Barry Shultz
'05 Barry Shultz
'06 Coda Hatfield

I hope I got them all right. I know I'm right up to '01 and I know it's odd that I would get mixed up on the more recent. Credit it to senility :D.
Women's Champions in the past include Juliana Bower (but it was Korver at that time) and Des Reading. The Queen of disc golf Elaine King has made it twice and we were very taken with her coming to our little event.

I think Nolan won in 02.

All divisions this year Skip? or Adv and Open like last year.

Here's the very limited SuperColor disc. Thanks to Don O'Connell for the work he did to put it together!

click to enlarge:
http://img5.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/14-1041146770T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1715762)

I think Nolan won in 02.



Nolan did win in 2002

and according to this, Barry won in 2001 http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=2763#Open

PLEASE offer at least an MA2 division. Either that or put a rating requirement on MA1. Last year was great, but there were lots of MA2 and MA3 players who wanted to play and therefore were forced into MA1. Not only were they not able to be competitive, but they were also forced to throw holes like Champ. 8 and we ended up with an 8-card+ backup on Champ. 8. I think more fun will be had by all if MA2 and MA3 are included.

You're right, Eric. I went out to eat and remembered that he won it once. I knew I wasn't sure about Cam.
Pardon me, little buddy. I remember being very proud of you at that one.

If Barry won in '01 then how did it go? I'm pretty sure Ron won it twice and Barry has won it four times.

We will offer the MA2 division but I'm not sure there will be room for MA3.

Women's Champions in the past include Juliana Bower (but it was Korver at that time) and Des Reading. The Queen of disc golf Elaine King has made it twice and we were very taken with her coming to our little event.


I said this wrong too. Should have read Juliana Korver ( but it was Bower at that time )

We'll be playing 24 holes per round with 48 on Saturday and 24 Championships Sunday morning. I know this is a hard Sat. but there will be no final nine this year so Sunday will be alot easier. After the rounds we'll tap a keg and throw ace in the oaks again while the cards are tallied.
With the short days we will need to get the players meeting started early at 8:45 and we'll get the first round going by 9:30.
We are currently working with the city to possibly bring in three "new" holes never played before. We believe you'll enjoy them and they will hold all the challenge you want.
More to come.

If Barry won in '01 then how did it go? I'm pretty sure Ron won it twice and Barry has won it four times.



PDGA online records only go back to 2001.

2001 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=2763#Open)

2002 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3279#Open)

2003 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3855#Open)

2004 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4042#Open)

2005 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4721#Open)

2006 VPO (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5531#Open)

Isn't it Sayre. Anyway, Mikey rules, or is it ruled. Veterans was his kingdom. :p

Isn't it Sayre. Anyway, Mikey rules, or is it ruled. Veterans was his kingdom. :p


Once again, I messed that one up too. It is Sayre and he ruled the Metroplex in his day along with Sam Grizzaffi.
Hope we see you here again, James. :)

Isn't it Grizaffi Skip? I shook his old hand this morning when he got to work. Love ya Skip! That one should always be spelled wronj...

When is registration opening up on TitleDisc?

I remember playing this course when I rolled through Big D a few years back and it is tremendous. This event looks sweet!

Last year, there were several of us Am girls who played Trophy Only, and I was wondering if that was going to be offered to us this year?

It was great to play the first round with Elaine King, Burl and Shelia. Wondering if we'll have that chance again this year.

When is registration opening up on TitleDisc?


Ben isn't a current member so he doesn't read this board. I'll get ahold of him and make sure this gets taken care of. Most likely he still needs a bit of information before opening up entries... I'm sure it will be ready soon.

Thanks dude. I'm stoked to play this tourney. I've got a good buddy in Big D. Should be a power weekend of Golf, Poker, and partying.

Last year, there were several of us Am girls who played Trophy Only, and I was wondering if that was going to be offered to us this year?

It was great to play the first round with Elaine King, Burl and Shelia. Wondering if we'll have that chance again this year.


Good to hear from you, Sue. The Women's div. was the only one that had alot of participation with the trophy only entries. Since you sound like you want to do that again, I believe we'll do it in the Women's div. again. Claydog and I will discuss it and get back to you.
Thanks for the interest.

When is registration opening up on TitleDisc?


Ben isn't a current member so he doesn't read this board. I'll get ahold of him and make sure this gets taken care of. Most likely he still needs a bit of information before opening up entries... I'm sure it will be ready soon.


I've been in touch with Ben already and he was busy competing in MJs this past weekend so we weren't able to get the form finalized yet, but I assure you it won't be much longer. Thnx.

yea, we had 126 players sign up via titledisc in one month.

Isn't it Grizaffi Skip? I shook his old hand this morning when he got to work. Love ya Skip! That one should always be spelled wronj...


Hey Greggy. Been too long. You need to grab Sammy and make it up here for the VPO. We miss you man.

We're trying to get the Parks Dept. to let us do the new holes, but because of a vandalism issue with other park users, they're not sure they want us to go back in that part of the park. If we're not able to use the new holes we will go the more familiar route of using six holes from the old front nine. We have been told that we can do a little more clearing on holes C and D than we've been allowed to do in the past.
I would also like to thank Tom Lowry and the Junior Disc Golf Foundation for their sponsorship and support.

This coming Sunday the 30th the ADGA will be holding it's annual Club Championships. This is the one time every year that members can re-up for the next year at the lowest rate possible all year. We will have a players meeting at 9:00 and be playing two rounds as quickly as possible with the club providing lunch. Before the crowning of the champs we will tap a keg and throw ace in the oaks with all aces splitting. It's basically a big party and we'd love to see as many as possible show up. The more the rowdier ;).
Re-up $10
Entry $10 optional
Ace pot $5 " "
Ace golf $5 " "

Hope to see you there. ( that includes all you FTFs, let's get Tarrant Co. united )

that's two rounds from the longs, right skip?

That's right, David, and with the $5 ace pot entry you'll get 36 shots at the money. ( theoretically ) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
The ace pot Sunday morn. will be about $750.

Did someone say poker? Looks like I might actually cash that weekend. LOL

The VPO super color discs are in and they are way cool.
So $30 to play the Club Championships and another $20 will get you a fun time, a shot at a free entry Open div. only, a free lunch, a few beers, a shot at the ace in the oaks money, and a very cool collectors edition of the VPO tournament discs. Plus you'll be helping support a big event here in DFW.

....and they look even more amazing in person.

http://img5.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/25-1441378543T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1738464)
click to enlarge

I've posted this a few other places, but I will repeat it here:

I am selling an autographed Pro Line Rhyno as a fundraiser for the 17th Veterans Park Open, a SuperTour event in Arlington, TX.

eBay listing (http://cgi.ebay.com/Autographed-Pro-Rhyno-Climo-Schultz-Feldberg-more_W0QQitemZ130157111401QQihZ003QQcategoryZ79804 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

It's signed by Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, Brinster, Greenwell, Schweb, and more.

I've got my favorite wall hanger from the '99 VPO. It's a Nine Time World Champion K.C. Pro Edition Eagle signed by :
Ken Climo ( Open winner that year )
Barry Schultz
Ron Russell
Elaine King
Eric Vandenburg
Juliana Bower ( Korver ) Women's Open winner
Shawn Sinclair
Captain Snap #0060
Mitch McClellan ( Masters winner )
Tom Schott
Brent Edwards ( Gr. Masters winner )
That was a very good year. ;)

I've got my favorite wall hanger from the '99 VPO. It's a Nine Time World Champion K.C. Pro Edition Eagle signed by :
Ken Climo ( Open winner that year )
Barry Schultz
Ron Russell
Elaine King
Eric Vandenburg
Juliana Bower ( Korver ) Women's Open winner
Shawn Sinclair
Captain Snap #0060
Mitch McClellan ( Masters winner )
Tom Schott
Brent Edwards ( Gr. Masters winner )
That was a very good year. ;)



I have an ace disc from the same year(1999) you speak of. 1st round, 3rd hole, hole #16, 180g '99 VPO Roc :eek:. Barry Schultz, Mike Grider, and myself on the card. Must admit it's pretty cool to have an ace disc with Climo(wc), Schultz(wc), Stokely, Ron Russell(wc), Elaine King(wc), Juliana Bower(wc), Craig Leyva and others.

http://img3.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/27-1840012761T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1741885)
http://img3.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/27-1842309065T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1741897)

That is a cool one, John.
If you'll look on the front towards the top left you'll see UDAMAN Skip

http://img3.glowfoto.com/images/2007/09/27-1842309065T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/user_imageredirect.php?iid=1741897)



"I'm proud of you. At least you got a little money this tournament. Love you, Amy"

OUCH!

Hey easy, Greg. That was early before she found out that she'd latched on to a real stud. :p

2007 VPO entry form now available. Click image to open PDF.



http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/images/2007VPOFlyer.jpg (http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/entry_forms/2007VPOFlyer-20FullColor.pdf)

wow! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

When's this bad boy opening up on TitleDisc?

"I'm proud of you. At least you got a little money this tournament. Love you, Amy"

OUCH!



Let me clarify her words. In 1999 the VPO was a 3 day event, 27 holes on Fri, Sat, and Sun. I was the only ace for the 1st two days and figured since the course would be the championship course on Sunday that it would remain the only ace. Well, one of the guys that was on my card in round 1 when i threw the ace hit an ace himself on old #8 (hole E, the 230' hole along the west side of the pond.) His name is Barry Schultz. :D

I took next to last place cash that year ($120?), and had to split the ace pot with Barry. My half for the ace was $185ish. For a whopping total of $305ish. I had much higher aspirations then 2nd to last place cash, especially since i cracked the top 10 the year before. Oh well, in my wife's words, "At least you got a little money this tournament." :p

why only 104?

5 per card 120.

Super Tours and higher in Open can't have 5-somes

I see wimp on that disc, Now that is impressive.

:D

I see the "NICE SHOT !!!" - RonS, that i have been wanting on one of mine for a while now.

I see the "NICE SHOT !!!" - RonS, that i have been wanting on one of mine for a while now.



I'm sure it will come. I've got at least 6 discs with Silly's Nice Shot siggy!!

z-boaz did. :confused:

I see the "NICE SHOT !!!" - RonS, that i have been wanting on one of mine for a while now.



I'm sure it will come. I've got at least 6 discs with Silly's Nice Shot siggy!!



Sillyman watched one of mine at Pauls Valley and I didn't let him sign it. :eek: Of course, I threw a Kitty Hawk and it won't have any signature on it but mine. :D:D But I did take the $5.... :D:D

When's this bad boy opening up on TitleDisc?



I'm trying to find out the answer to that question myself, Jerry. Hopefully very soon. :)

2007 VPO entry form now available. Click image to open PDF.



http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/images/2007VPOFlyer.jpg (http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/entry_forms/2007VPOFlyer-20FullColor.pdf)



ADGA Club Championship this Sunday will be a good time to register early for the VPO.

z-boaz did. :confused:



Well the PDGA *recommends* not to do 5-somes in A tiers or higher in the Open divisions.

The ADGA held it's Club Championships today and it was a big success with funds generated to go towards the VPO amounting to more than $1500. Very nice people. Thanks for all your support. You are a great bunch of friends.

The winners and new club champs are:
Pro Open Nolan Grider
Pro Master Ron Silliman
Pro Wmn. Julie Steele
Pro Gr. Mstr. Kevin Geesa
Pro Sr. Gr. Mstr. Freeman Prasse
Advanced Justin Gentry
Adv. Wmn. Stephanie Cantrell
Adv. Mstr. Jerry Seibolt
Intermed. Matt Mayo
Rec. Wmn. Laura Quattlebaum

ADGA MaceMan Member of the year 2007 Clay Brumit

Splitting the $250 w/ $50 ea. for aces in Ace in the Oaks were:
Ron Silliman
Ken Cantrell
Julie Steele
Kent Steele
Richard D. ( Sorry for not knowing your last name Dick :cool:)

Congratulations to the new Champions of the ADGA and to everyone else that participated. Thanks again.

ADGA MaceMan Member of the year 2007 Clay Brumit


you can't be serious... this lazy good-for-nothin?

;) :D

So he might be a little less inclinded to do certain things. Hey, at least the club's money is in good hands. :eek:

So he might be a little less inclinded to do certain things. Hey, at least the club's money is in good hands. :eek:



He's got the money??????? :eek: :confused:

is there any way i can pre-register? titledisc doesnt seem to be working. thanks

you can snail mail click on the flyer

is there any way i can pre-register? titledisc doesnt seem to be working. thanks


Yes, thanks Chris. You can also send me an e-mail with all the info and I'll get a list going. I'll have to get back to each one as to how to send the money.
I'm sorry about titledisc. I can't get a response from Ben and I'm unaware as to the procedures to taking credit card charges so we'll probably have to do it with checks made out to:
ADGA c/o Clay Brumit

Not sure of the mailing address at the moment but we'll get that posted soon.
Thanks for your patience.

alright, thanks for the quick responses.
still not a 100% sure if i can make it.
hope i can though, sounds like a great event.

it says on the flyer

adga po box 120927 arlington tx 76012

Does anybody have that key to the PO box. I wonder how much stuff is in there. Probably best to send entries to me at home. Checks payable to ADGA c/o Clay Brumit.
Clay Brumit
5416 Duchess ct.
Lake Dallas, Tx. 75065

Does anybody have that key to the PO box. I wonder how much stuff is in there. Probably best to send entries to me at home. Checks payable to ADGA c/o Clay Brumit.
Clay Brumit
5416 Duchess ct.
Lake Dallas, Tx. 75065



The entry form has been updated with this address as well.

http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/images/2007VPOFlyer.jpg (http://mysite.verizon.net/resr6nho/entry_forms/2007VPOFlyer-20FullColor.pdf)

You can now register online....YEAH!!! :D

Texas Oklahoma Disc Golf (http://txokdg.com)

Click the link and get signed up!!! :D

You can now register online....YEAH!!! :D

Texas Oklahoma Disc Golf (http://txokdg.com)

Click the link and get signed up!!! :D


Many thanks to Tom Lowry for getting us hooked up. I'm recommending to go ahead and use this site and don't wait for titledisc. Something must be taking Ben's time up right now and we'll just go with Tom's site.
Good luck with your event this weekend Tom and thanks again.

As soon as I post this I go and check titledisc to let Ben know not to worry about it and he's got us up. I guess we'll just go with the flow on this one. I wish I had gotten a response from Ben before it got this far. If you're more familiar and comfortable with titledisc then use him. If you're not particular you really should check out Tom's work. The man is pioneering a new effort in our region.

You can now register online....YEAH!!! :D

Texas Oklahoma Disc Golf (http://txokdg.com)

Click the link and get signed up!!! :D


Many thanks to Tom Lowry for getting us hooked up. I'm recommending to go ahead and use this site and don't wait for titledisc. Something must be taking Ben's time up right now and we'll just go with Tom's site.
Good luck with your event this weekend Tom and thanks again.

As soon as I post this I go and check titledisc to let Ben know not to worry about it and he's got us up. I guess we'll just go with the flow on this one. I wish I had gotten a response from Ben before it got this far. If you're more familiar and comfortable with titledisc then use him. If you're not particular you really should check out Tom's work. The man is pioneering a new effort in our region.



Thanks for the props Skip, but Josh Dann is the real man!!! He is the one who walked me through many hours of my ignorance and put many hours of his own in to make this site happen.

Thanks Josh. :D

What's the scoop, fellas? The event info page stil says sanctioning pending and there's no players list attached. But then, it says 16th annual, too. :)

What's up, dog?! :D

Are Frank & Danny Dorsett still playing?

You can now register online....YEAH!!! :D

Texas Oklahoma Disc Golf (http://txokdg.com)

Click the link and get signed up!!! :D


Many thanks to Tom Lowry for getting us hooked up. I'm recommending to go ahead and use this site and don't wait for titledisc. Something must be taking Ben's time up right now and we'll just go with Tom's site.
Good luck with your event this weekend Tom and thanks again.

As soon as I post this I go and check titledisc to let Ben know not to worry about it and he's got us up. I guess we'll just go with the flow on this one. I wish I had gotten a response from Ben before it got this far. If you're more familiar and comfortable with titledisc then use him. If you're not particular you really should check out Tom's work. The man is pioneering a new effort in our region.



Thanks for the props Skip, but Josh Dann is the real man!!! He is the one who walked me through many hours of my ignorance and put many hours of his own in to make this site happen.

Thanks Josh. :D


Thanks for the props, Tom and thanks for putting in the effort to get this event's registration online. I wanted to let everyone know that titledisc.com is still committed to this cause and does have the signup page ready to go. It can be found at http://www.titledisc.com/Events/VPO_07.php for your signup pleasure.

Soon, titledisc.com will be transitioning to my care and hopefully I will be able to streamline the process enough to make this sort of thing go much faster in the future. Ben has kept it up and running for a long time now. Family and personal life has kept him from being quite as quick to respond as I know he would have liked to be. Deidre and I are committed to keeping titledisc.com at the forefront of online tournament registration. Soon, we'll be asking for feedback from the DG community on what they want from the site and what can be improved. Hopefully you will all bear with us during this transition and titledisc.com will soon be back in everyone's good graces :D

I can tell you all, titledisc.com in the hands of Josh is a win for everyone. As I said before....Josh is the MAN!!!! :D

Okay...first I'd like to thank Tom and Josh for getting on top of our problem with the on line entries. Everything is fixed and we're ready for your sign ups on titledisc. Claydog and I and Brian Mace will be looking forward to seeing all of you in three weeks.

Now that the on line registration is fixed we are starting to get the response we were looking for. Put us on your calendar and come on over to the Vet. We promise you a good time. ;)

Are there any spots left open for the tournament?

yes

Whatsamatta dog? Dont'cha luv me no mo? Thinkin' 'bout playin' yo tournament. Can I get a flashback to the log roll for old times sake? :eek: :D

The calendar has never been this full at this time of the year before. It seems there are alot of events to choose from nationally and locally. Just remember that we're an "A" tier event so your points and ratings will be more valuable here. The field will be strong with Nolan and Coda alone. Who knows who else will be showing up. Hope it's you!!! :D

ill be there im bigg shawn 28734 ma1 im riding with greg killiam and \can pay next fri pm me if need be

ill be there im bigg shawn 28734 ma1 im riding with greg killiam and \can pay next fri pm me if need be



look forward to seeing you big man, missed you at Carrollton.

Players List?

Hey Kent, We would love to have you come in for the tournament, but I refuse to replay the log roll incedent, or the falling out of the tree in Athens, or being chased by a wild turkey in Abilene. I'll be in the pavillion where it's much safer. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Can anyone put up an old disc golfer and a friend for the VPO weekend?

just coulfnt make it up but im booked for it i hope im there for sure

Is there going to be a recreational div.?

Players List????

Is there going to be a recreational div.?


I think Skip already said no to the Rec division. I can understand why considering the massive crowd that normally shows for this event.

im in for sure.... ??? should i take a jacket or sun screen ???? hrmmmmmm

No to the rec. division. Players list is still very short at this time. Bring a sweatshirt and rain gear and sunscreen and bug spray. You never know this time of year.

Might want to bring some knee and elbow pads. That mud and those logs in the creek can be trecherous when it rains. :)

I'll get a players list posted by the Monday. I appreciate your patience, but don't wait to see the list....get on it. :D

I turned Masters age that year and suddenly my log rolling skills were gone. :mad:

We have 30 official pre regs so far. I will get the list posted by Monday.

Claydog, Greg, Brian, and I had a good meeting today and I think we've come up with some new twists. Can you say three straight 600 to 800 foot holes you've never seen before? :)

Claydog, Greg, Brian, and I had a good meeting today and I think we've come up with some new twists. Can you say three straight 600 to 800 foot holes you've never seen before? :)




Is this a tournament, or a long drive contest ?

yeah... boo to the difficulty-simply-through-distance theory :(

now, as long as these holes aren't in the wide-open, I'm happy :)

maybe par 4's or even 5's?

just two good shots. I don't think a 600' hole favors somebody who can boom it. Not many people can reach a 600' hole, def not in the Am division.

According to my best visual estimate from Google Earth, the longest of the three is just a smidge under 1000'. This one requires an accurate tee shot. Par 4 at least, probably closer to a legit 5.

The shortest is right at 600' and is open. Tough par 3 or fairly birdie-able 4.

The other hole is about 650' as the crow flies, but not even Coda could throw the direct route. The best play is to a landing area at around 480' with another 200-215' to the basket. The tee to landing area distance could vary depending on tee placement.

I know as a rank amateur I am not the best judge for par on these, but I will throw these holes this week to get an idea of how they play without baskets in place. At the very worst, at least we will be playing things differently than before.

Chapionship "c" is unplayable because of all the mesquite trees that have grown up. We're looking at Champ.#5 and #11. Possibly one or two new champ. holes.

The area in question is at the front of the park where there are very few obstacles to bring in to play, so we were thinking of going long and bringing in some of the area where the original holes #5 and #6 were. By going over there we will be able to use some sidewalk, trees, and flowerbeds to toughen it up. These holes would only be used Sun. morning for the championship course. We think it will be interesting. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thanks to my beautiful wife of 33 years,
Sharon, we now have the first pre-reg list posted.

We have some really sweet Champion and Pro edition Destroyers with the 2007 Veterans Park Open stamp on them. I've been throwing mine and I'm very impressed with the extra distance I'm getting into the wind. They are fast. Brian brought them back after the USDGC fresh from the factory.

We have half the field pre registered and they're coming in fast. Please keep in mind I don't want to deal with sign ups Sat. morning. I'll be out at the course all Friday afternoon for doubles and that will be your last safe chance to get in. Titledisc.com is raking them in quick. If you can't use them try to contact me and make arrangements to take care of your entry by Friday. Thanks, Skip

I have filled the Amatuer fields. As of this morning, Sun. 10/28, all Am. enties will go on a waiting list. I'm saving approx. 15-18 spots for additional pros. I have to do this to give us a chance at retaining our A tier status. This is much harder to do these days if you have a Pro/Am event on one course. There may be some spots open up if we don't get enough pros to fill their field. If so anyone on the waiting list that's at the park Sat. morning will get them. Sorry about that. Hope you all got in that really wanted to. Thanks, Skip

We're going to slightly revise that last post....all Ams that get on the waiting list provided at titledisc.com will need to leave a phone number. Friday at 4:00 I will assume all my pros that intend to play will have signed up and I will begin calling people on the waiting list to let them know to show up Sat. morning. Thanks again, Skip

FYI ... For those playing at VPO, the Daylight Savings Time switch happens this weekend on Sunday morning (Saturday night) at 2:00 AM. That means all clocks will fall back 1 hour at Sunday Novermber 4th @ 2:00 AM. Don't show up for your round an hour early that day :p

I have filled the Amatuer fields. As of this morning, Sun. 10/28, all Am. enties will go on a waiting list. I'm saving approx. 15-18 spots for additional pros. I have to do this to give us a chance at retaining our A tier status. This is much harder to do these days if you have a Pro/Am event on one course. There may be some spots open up if we don't get enough pros to fill their field. If so anyone on the waiting list that's at the park Sat. morning will get them. Sorry about that. Hope you all got in that really wanted to. Thanks, Skip



Has the players list been updated? I have a receipt from paypal from the 19th, but I'm not showing up on the list :confused:

You are on the list for titleDISC entries. I'm sure Skip will be updating the pre-reg list soon. I can say for sure that there are more pre-registered than the 43 listed :)

I'll be in town checking the course out on Friday. Who plays what tees?

It's our belief the VPO has been too easy the last couple years. We didn't want to do the safari holes this year because of complaints last year. So, there are some short pin positions you will not play. All advanced and pro divisions will play the championship tees on Sunday. That means you will get to throw champ.#2 (drive goes from Dalworthington Gardens into Arlington, hopefully). You will also get to throw off the mountain on champ. #8 along with a couple new twists on Sunday. The old course #5 inland green will be used Sunday! Plus #7 from the old course.

That should be ISLAND green. :D

i was about to ask "Inland green?!?" where do we drive from?? :D

I am playing INT ... we will be playing the long tee too? Please?

I am playing INT ... we will be playing the long tee too? Please?


Sorry Bag. Int. will be playing from the concrete tees all weekend. You will be playing the temp. holes, most are from the OLD Veteran's Park course, or at least close to it.

of course you could always move up, Bagger ;).

I think it's a very good thing for Clay and Skip to offer MA2 and to have them playing from the short pads. Last year we had a huge backup (1.5 hrs +) on Champ. 8 because so many of the Rec/Int level players could not clear the trees on their teeshot. This is not to say that none of them could... I played Int. last year and took a 3 on Champ 8 :D... but giving the shorter throwers a way to play from the shorter pads will save a lot of time, to be sure.

We can't afford big backups this year. The temp. holes from the old course should provide plenty of toughness for the int. field without long backups. (I hope)

I'll be moving up as soon as Texas Teams is over :eek:

This is going to be sweet!!!

I'll be moving up as soon as Texas Teams is over :eek:


There's nothing that says you can't try out MA1 before texas teams... you just have to be rated in MA2 to fill that spot on your team :)

Just curious what kinda number's are expected for the VPO this year in Open...I was expecting many more than are on the current pdga tourny list.

11 so far for Open. you will make #12. you can still sign up at titleDISC for the pro divisions. About 13 or 14 more spots are being held for Pro divisions only. In the unlikely event that they don't fill, the ams on the waiting list will get in.

ok sounds good..i'm really hoping that if i make it to this one that there will be over 20 in open considering it's an A tier. i've heard good things about the course though for sure so that's exciting

Dirty, besides the 13 I have pre reged that include Eric McCabe, Nolan Grider, and Jay Reading, I'm expecting to get Barry Shultz, Coda Hatfield, and possible Cale Leiviska among others. Come on down. You'll have a ball. :)

By the way, the pre reg list was updated this morning so alot of you asking should check it out.

Judging simply on geography I wouldn't be surprised to see Nikko Locastro here as well. He played the Oklahoma Open last weekend as is signed up for the Lewisville tourney the weekend after VPO.

No it isn't. Still just 43 on the prereg list.

I can't believe another VPO is almost here....and I won't be there....again! It was great seeing Leyva, Davis and Grider at Rock Hill a few weeks ago, but that made me miss the Vet and the ADGA folks even more so....

At least you quit "pick'n" 24/7 and rediscovered DG again! :D

Meet me and a few of the ADGAers at the Players Cup next year. Your rating is/will be high enough so that you get an invite. It really is a GREAT tournament, course, and facility.

I went out to the park yesterday and it is looking good. I played a couple of holes and picked up some trash. Big shot for me was I birdied #7 for the first time ( from the long ). 35 ft put. I will be out htere again today to make sure trash is picked up along with playing a few holes.

Meet me and a few of the ADGAers at the Players Cup next year. Your rating is/will be high enough so that you get an invite.



After this year's USDGC ratings go into the mix, I'm not so sure about that invitation.... :D

Skipper and Claydog,


Discraft.com is reporting on their website that the new ace race disc, The Impact, is now PDGA approved.

No it isn't. Still just 43 on the prereg list.


Sorry but my wife is the computer wiz in this family and she's handling it for me. She called me this morning and told me she hit a glitch and it didn't get posted properly yesterday, but you should find it taken care of now.

Impact, gotcha John. (no there's no inference towards any romantic interests there, Jerry) :Dwish you and Marie were here.

hopefully next year we can split up the PRO/AM

many players are being lost this year in the am ranks..and I hope to see the PROs fill

DJ for his 13th in a ROW :)

another big wave of entries on titleDISC including Burl and Emily, all of them for Pro spots now since Am is full. Pros, get signed up now if you want to guarantee your spot!

hopefully next year we can split up the PRO/AM

many players are being lost this year in the am ranks..and I hope to see the PROs fill

DJ for his 13th in a ROW :)



I think next year we may have to go back to 2 weekends. In previous years we just haven't had the player participation to warrant it. Now I'm thinking am weekend could be a huge tournament next year. I think the FHF is going to be a 1 day event in 08. :eek:

Sounds good to me.
Where are all the open players? This is an A-Tier people. No JD, Donald, Barry, Cale, Coda?

That would be sweet if FHF went to a one day event. I would be able to attend a LOT more events if they lasted one day. Hey Clay do you guys need any help Saturday morning setting up? I will be there on Sunday help with whatever.

E, we can use all the help we can get. Even if it's just for an hour or so, it would help.
Flesh, Donald and Pepper are in. Mace has talked with Barry and was assured he was coming in. Des and Jay have said they will be here. Ron Convers has said he plans to be here, but something may get in the way. He's waiting to confirm once he hears.
This is the first time Skip and I have run a big event. We will probably make a few mistakes. We will learn from those mistakes. Luckily we have Brian and his experience to help us.

E, we can use all the help we can get. Even if it's just for an hour or so, it would help.
Flesh, Donald and Pepper are in. Mace has talked with Barry and was assured he was coming in. Des and Jay have said they will be here. Ron Convers has said he plans to be here, but something may get in the way. He's waiting to confirm once he hears.
This is the first time Skip and I have run a big event. We will probably make a few mistakes. We will learn from those mistakes. Luckily we have Brian and his experience to help us.



From what I can tell you and Skip are doing a great job and will put on one heck of a VPO!!! I'm just sorry I'll miss it, have to go to San Antonio for my daughters band contest.

I hope to see you guys at the Lewisville Open the next week so you can just enjoy a tournament and have some fun!!!

Good luck to all those playing!!!!

Claydog is right to say this is our first big event, but it should also say "together". I have run or helped run the VPO on seven other occassions, but they were all pre 2k and there are alot of changes since then I've had to learn about. Still after running the FHF with him I know we'll be a great team. Noone has ever been more dedicated to helping the ADGA and the VPO than Claydog has been this past year.
We have had a tremendous response to the event this year and I'm holding a few spots in the pros hoping to see Barry, Coda, and Ron Convers et al. Mitch McClelland where are you?

hell yeah. three cheers for the discgolfdog and the arlington skip shot :D

hell yeah. three cheers for the discgolfdog and the arlington skip shot :D



Hip Hip Horray!

Alrighty then, I recieved calls today from some of Oklahomas finest. We will have the hottest Gr. Master in the area, Daryl Johnson as well as World reknown Masters player taking his usual spot, Mitch Mac, and in his first VPO, the Okla. Open champion Ron Convers. A power house trio to say the least. We're only missing KMac ( I'm sure he's maxed himself out this year with two tournies and a baby, putting in a new course etc. ) and the defending champ Coda???? Coda I'm gonna miss you. :confused:

is it full now?
I think that makes 104.

enjoy that quote for the next 12 days

I got there first. :p

102 + 3 = 105 ... whats full? we have 24 holes

enjoy that quote for the next 12 days



you going 4 digits after the next update, Robbie?

102 + 3 = 105 ... whats full? we have 24 holes



I think the idea was to have only foursomes for the pro cards, as suggested by the PDGA for A-Tier events. I haven't looked at the numbers to see if we can take a few more pros based on the numbers we have now and still go with foursomes.

The foursome thing is merely a suggestion (like speed limit signs). We will run fivesomes all the way around if needed.

102 on your pre-reg list ... outstanding ! ... :cool:

What time does double start on Friday?
Where should we meet for doubles?
Is there Pro and AM doubles?

Not sure of the start time. I would say between 1:00 and 2:00. Skip and Brian will be running doubles. You can sign up near hole #1's teebox. Only the normal 18 hole course will be set up for doubles. Sorry folks, it just takes too much man power and money to permit the entire park for Friday.

I've been talking to Coda all day today he said he will be here. He said he will be here for doubles tomm and he will pay his entry fee then. He said please add him to the list because he will be here. Thanks /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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SCORES!!!

it just takes too much man power and money to permit the entire park for Friday.


The entire park, you say? does this mean that the church bingo and the nerds-with-swords groups won't be there this year?!? they're a VPO staple! :D

The foo fighters will probably be there, they just have to stay out of the way. I haven't seen them lately though. :confused:

Remember the year they had the National Foo Fighting championships during the VPO? There was mass fooing going on after every card on the B hole.

Good to be back at the VPO!
I see you guys are talking about new alternative holes, but I didn't see anything marked out there yet. Will you guys be able to get some holes marked at least since putting baskets out may be tough?

Would hate to be a first timer coming trying to absorb The Vet and guess the alternates. THANKS!

i heard there is going to be some doubles going on

Remember the year they had the National Foo Fighting championships during the VPO? There was mass fooing going on after every card on the B hole.



They probably think we are a bunch of disc hucking geeks. However, I think I would take my quiver of weapons over a foam covered sword anyday. Kendall and Juli Steel's Kid gave me stiches in the cheek with a firebird before the 02 VPO.... Good Times

ce
didn't even cry

i heard there is going to be some doubles going on



I wonder how much doubles cost and what different divisions they will offer ? Weekend is almost here, can't wait.

What time does double start on Friday?
Where should we meet for doubles?
Is there Pro and AM doubles?


Yes I haven't made a post about doubles yet, but we will have them with the standard staggered start from 2:00 on. I will probably cut off sign ups about 5:30. Anyone starting that late will be finishing in the dark so bring your lights. ;)
Let's say three divisions:
Pros - $50 per team
Adv. - $40
Int. - $20

have to say a little steep on the doubles entry fees. :confused:

you can have a discount, then ;)

thanks but that price just plained skeered me away!! ;)

You were going to drive all the way up here to play doubles and not play in the tournament????
Besides, I thought all you big pro players just wanted to keep playing for more and more money.
I'll talk with Maceman when I get out there in an hour and we'll decide if we should come down on the entry.
Wish you were here, Chris.

me too just giving you a hard time :D.. usually I thought mace dubs Was $40 pro so $20 a man.

$40 a man would be $80 per team. I thought last year Terry did $60 a team, so my $50 a team was cheap...I don't know...I'll talk with Brian.

$50.00 a team is good.

We are completely filled up. Apologies to those that didn't get in. The response has been fantastic.

Doubles results:
Open
1st Grider/Grider 42 $160
2nd Soete/Kinter 44 $80

Adv.
1st Brownlow/Teague 44 $130
t2nd Henry/Power 47 $70
t2nd Cox/Toolen 47 $70

Int.
1st Bacon/Grizzly 48 $100
t2nd Becker/Mayo 52 $40
t2nd Hougland/Dumke 52 $40

Brownlow wanted his share to go to help sponsor the Am Ladies.

doh..........

the bacon was sizzling under the texas sun today... nice round fellas, way to trim the fat :)

good luck to all tomorrow.
wish i could be there.
newborn coming within days,(hopefully tomorrow).
tear it up all dfw locals, except you charles. bagger
good luck cflies, whip miles' arse. :eek:

scores?? :D

somebody shot 11 down this morning.

hey me and my dad shot a 46 in doubles

in advance

Sunday Morning
PLAYERS MEETING
8:45 AM

Sunday Morning
PLAYERS MEETING
8:45 AM




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scores?? :D



Too bad to list, atleast for me. :(

This is an A tier, right?

Scores? Who is battling for the lead?

i think maceman is at a poker game :)

SCORES?

Saw Chris shot 63 and Jay 64 in the 1st, left before all posted

Brian will get them posted soon. He's not where he can get at the proper comp. program right now. I'll give you a little of it though.
Open
t1st Eric McCabe 127
t1st Nolan Grider 127
3rd Coda Hatfield 128
4th Donald Ellsworth 130
5th Jay Reading 132 I think

John Luecke leading Masters

Des is crushing

Daryl came alive in the second round with the GMs

Friday night I called one of my guys on the waiting list and told him he and his two friends were in if they showed up Sat. morning which they did. In signing up for Intermediates the first guy says he's not going to pay for the ace pot cause he'd just be donating so just put him in the ace in the oaks and pays his $50 ( 40 to play, 5 non member PDGA fee, and 5 ace in the oaks ). The next one says me too same thing and pays $50. The third guy says he doesn't want to sign up for the oaks and he'd pay me Sun. if he decided to and gave me $45 to which I say " so you're not in the ace pot or ace oaks" and he's says "yeah". Second round is no more than 4 holes played and the kid hits the first ace of his life and everyone starts celebrating and telling him he won $1250. I saw him and high fived him and started walking away when I remember he's not in the ace pot and remind him to which he argues along with his friend that he was in. I wasn't near my books but I was pretty sure I was right so I go back to HQ and sure enough he wasn't in. Needless to say he blames me and won't be back tomorrow to finish. I know what he said at sign ups and I know I'm right, but it was still a confrontation I didn't need and I do feel for the guy. I even gave him on of our special full color discs, but I think the embarrassment he would have to deal with was too much for him and he quit.

Moral of story ... don't doubt your abilities and get in the ace pot. :p

Daryl came alive in the second round with the GMs





13in a row????

He's not where he can get at the proper comp.



POKER.... :p

****!

Dude is probably kicking himself right now. That's a tough way to learn about the benefits of getting in the ace pot.

Here they are. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831#Open)

Sorry for the delay, there were difficulties. :cool:

I sure hope those arent the real ratings. Codas 10 down the second was way beter then a 1030.

I just changed the number of holes from 18 to 24 boosting that rating to 1043. Also note that everyone's PDGA number is not entered and that will change the ratings somewhat after that's done.

Friday night I called one of my guys on the waiting list and told him he and his two friends were in if they showed up Sat. morning which they did. In signing up for Intermediates the first guy says he's not going to pay for the ace pot cause he'd just be donating so just put him in the ace in the oaks and pays his $50 ( 40 to play, 5 non member PDGA fee, and 5 ace in the oaks ). The next one says me too same thing and pays $50. The third guy says he doesn't want to sign up for the oaks and he'd pay me Sun. if he decided to and gave me $45 to which I say " so you're not in the ace pot or ace oaks" and he's says "yeah". Second round is no more than 4 holes played and the kid hits the first ace of his life and everyone starts celebrating and telling him he won $1250. I saw him and high fived him and started walking away when I remember he's not in the ace pot and remind him to which he argues along with his friend that he was in. I wasn't near my books but I was pretty sure I was right so I go back to HQ and sure enough he wasn't in. Needless to say he blames me and won't be back tomorrow to finish. I know what he said at sign ups and I know I'm right, but it was still a confrontation I didn't need and I do feel for the guy. I even gave him on of our special full color discs, but I think the embarrassment he would have to deal with was too much for him and he quit.

Moral of story ... don't doubt your abilities and get in the ace pot. :p



Same thing happened to me at an A-tier, the Gator Country Classic in Gainesville, FL in 2005. I didn't pay the $5 ace pot either. I was the first to hit an ace in the tourney. My first ace ever. Everyone was going crazy for me, then I told them I wasn't in the pot. The TD gave me a disc and rose at the closing events. Everyone was laughing pretty hard.

I lived in NC at the time and returned to the tourney the following year and people still remembered me as the guy that did not get in the ace pot. LOL. Tough lesson learned.
3 other guys hit the next day so we would have split $480 four ways. Still not a bad payout.

What happened to Mitch Mac?

I can't believe this event has been going for 17 years!

I did the same thing at the USDGC. I didnt get into the Ace pot because, well theres about 6 holes out there to ace and its hard to run at any of them. Needless to say, I Aced hole 7, the bamboo hole, and cost myself over $700..

Rule of thumb, Get in the ace fund, so you don't look dumb!

Still, not showing up the next day is weak sauce...

...and par has to be inflated big time, How can all the open players, except 5, be under par?

In Open, averaging 964 rated golf, should never have you -1 par...

I didn't know how many par 2s to include so I just put par 72 for 24 holes... :p

Coda pulled out the win over Eric and DJ's streak of wins stops at 12 in a playoff.

Live from Deerfield Beach, FL........

Coda is now a 2x VPO champ? Nice win again kid!

its probably blue course when ya get right down to it. we'll see what the sunday round looks like.

AWESOME JOB ARLINGTON CREW&gt; skip, claydog, and ARMY of arlingtonites - you rock. that was a blast. onward and upward.

yes Coda pulled it out in a playoff. Nolan only missed the playoff by one stroke.

Absolutely awesome event. I played some of the worst golf I've played all year yet still somehow had the most fun of any event I've played all year. Claydog and Skip teamed up with Mace and a whole host of volunteers to really bring this one home. I think we could have filled 48 holes with all the people who wanted to play :). Thanks to those who signed up early and helped make everything that much smoother. Can't wait for the 18th VPO!

Sounds like this was a fantastic event....way to go Mace!

Good win, Coda!

wake up macey we want more scores!!! :D

yeah what cware said

I don't know all the scores off hand, but I can tell you that on the 24 hole Championship layout, Coda had the best round, which was 72.

Par on this layout would probably be 77.

In addition to the usual 6 temp holes, they also played championship tees on 2, 5, 8, and 17. We had alternates set up for some holes as well. They went 11's tee to 12's short pin - about 840'. Next hole was from the tree on 13's fairway to Old 5 in the northeast corner of the park - about 650'. Then a modified version of Old 7 - 380'. Then a new tee for 14 which played about 620'.

I really hope everyone enjoyed the alternates. The goal was to make things fun and different and ratchet up the difficulty level for the final round since we were not doing a final 9.

I sure am glad I made it back to VPO for the first time in six years. I had a blast and got my $'s worth. Clay, Mace, and Skip rocked this event. Your staff was wonderful. Mr. and Mrs. Pepper thank you for everything. It was great to see all you ADGA'ers again and look forward to seeing all of you again very soon.

Who won masters? What happened to Mitch?

He quit in the middle of the round only 1 stroke off the lead. :confused: Okies are a confused bunch.

Here you go Seahorse. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open) .....and everyone else who has been waiting for me to wake up :cool:

I would like to say that, I was not the person to thank for a great event, Skip and Clay were the main people that grabbed this bull by the horns. I just stood by to tell them how to keep from getting pierced by the horns. Way to go Skip, Clay, and The ADGA. This club has come along way and it is all your fault, thanks very much.

thanks Mace hoping to make this one next year.

That last line is a little weird Brian. :confused:

Next year will be much better. The club will be back in the black for the first time in years. We will be able to put on a better show with a better payout. Thanks to everyone who participated this year. Chris we always like to see you in Arlington. ( I can't believe there were no aces this year. Our loss is Crowley's gain. Best of luck to Brice on the next NTS event.We'll hook you up with a plastic sponsorship.) Well, no aces by anybody that paid in. :o

Man I'm still in a fog. This was one heck of an event with all the good people that showed up. I do have a few stories to tell, but I won't waste time with them here. I didn't take the time to name names at the awards because there were too many to thank and I was sure I would miss someone. We did name out the sponsors, but I want to try to remember all the names now, so a big thanks going out here to:
Brian Lamoreaux
Dave Kinter
Clayton Bethmann
Gene Nobriega
Greg Browning
Eric B
Doug
Don Q great food
I know there are more that I'll remember later
My beautiful, caring, and understanding wife of 33 yrs, Sharon
Maceboy ;)
and especially Clay Brumit..with him around there is no slack to pick up.
We did have some rough spots which should be expected, but we've learned alot and with some anticipated sponsorships next year we will be alot better.
Thanks all of you,
Skip Maxwell #6922

Skip, Clay, Mace - Great job on the event and nice to meet all of you. I had a blast! All of the people I played with where really cool and a specials thanks to all the ADGAers I played with who kept my spirits high between rounds. If any of come down to San Antonio for LOSO look me up, I'll return the favor.

Luckily the Pro Women played right behind me 2 of the 3 rounds so I got see some tremendous play there.

Also the course is awesome. Veterans has been moved up to the top of the list of my favorite courses. I really liked all the long holes, you simply just don't see those on too many courses.

And aces in the oaks, it was surreal to hear all the Ohhhhhs echoing through the woods, even if I did have 2 that hit and didn't stick :mad:

Highlight of the tourney was getting a 3 on hole 12 on Saturday and Sunday :o

Funniest part of the tourney was when Jay glossed Skip as "Skip Maxwill" for referring to both Jay and Des as "Reeding". Friggin hilarious.

Final Scores?

scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)

Thank you for the kind words Scott. We did a bunch of work on the course preparing, it's nice that you and others were coming up to us saying how nice everything looked. We will be doing work on the course throughout the next year. Expect bigger and better. It's always great to meet new people and put faces with message boards ID's. Long live the ADGA. Now on to Lewisville! :D

He quit in the middle of the round only 1 stroke off the lead. :confused: Okies are a confused bunch.



what pee'd off Mitch, we need some contoversy since we are so confused..

Great tournament with great staff on a fantastic course. You guys even had the weather cooperating... This was my first time playing north of Waco, but I will def. be back next year. Thanks Skip, Claydog and ADGA (and Don Q for the food!!)

I think the last round ratings are not correct. Two strokes off the hot round is only 1010? :confused:

The entire second card shot +6 or worse and a +2 is only 1010. Ratings suck. We should just get rid of them IMO.

I never heard who won doubles...Can someone please tell me who won doubles?

Also, since no one hit the ace, was there a CTP or anything for the ace money?

Doubles results:
Open
1st Grider/Grider 42 $160
2nd Soete/Kinter 44 $80

Adv.
1st Brownlow/Teague 44 $130
t2nd Henry/Power 47 $70
t2nd Cox/Toolen 47 $70

Int.
1st Bacon/Grizzly 48 $100
t2nd Becker/Mayo 52 $40
t2nd Hougland/Dumke 52 $40


ace goes to the next north texas event

I think the last round ratings are not correct. Two strokes off the hot round is only 1010? :confused:

The entire second card shot +6 or worse and a +2 is only 1010. Ratings suck. We should just get rid of them IMO.



They only bother those who care about them.

I think the last round ratings are not correct. Two strokes off the hot round is only 1010? :confused:

The entire second card shot +6 or worse and a +2 is only 1010. Ratings suck. We should just get rid of them IMO.



They only bother those who care about them.



:D ;) :p ;) :D

I think the last round ratings are not correct. Two strokes off the hot round is only 1010? :confused:

The entire second card shot +6 or worse and a +2 is only 1010. Ratings suck. We should just get rid of them IMO.

the ratings number shown for round three is not correct. the results were submitted as if all divisions played the same course. i'd expect about aq 20 point jump when its fixed.

this is NOT ratings sucking. its the standard hassle of getting pool assignments set up correctly.

Do you think the ratings will also change after Coda, Donald, and a few others PDGA numbers get added to the report???

Who knows?! :DAnd I dont know about a 20 point jump, but I felt like the ratings right now are about 10 points short for each round.

There's lots of SSA data on Veterans but I know you change things around a little some years. Here's where you can find the older ones and compare to what's currently posted unofficially.
www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=91 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php?RatingCourseID=91)

yes, but not as much. they probably shot their ratings, or close enuf to them anyway. the pool problem is worse cuz it would have the Intermediate fields all shooting about 2-6 strokes better than they really did.

Cool...Thank you very much sir!

True, but we played a way tougher set up the third round this year. I would say about 5 strokes tougher.

The SSA is about 8 shots tougher in Rnd 3. I just changed the Intermediates in R3 to a shorter layout so the Pro/Adv ratings went up. Looks like someone got the PDGA numbers entered for more players, too.

Round 3 at The Vet was the toughest layout played in the five years I have played here. I think that course played at a conservative Par 79 on the 24 hole layout. Currently a 79 would yield a 985 rating and I think that is rated low by about 15 points, imagine that.

Par 4's
-Hole 2
-Hole 8
-Hole 11 (11 and 12 were combined)
-Hole 12 (temp hole near planters)
-Hole 14 (temp tee to 14's basket)
-Hole 17 or 18 (Both holes could be Par 4's, but think one or the other may avg. a tough Par 3)
-Hole D

That equals seven Par 4's and a Par of 79. I say that is conservative even because:

-Hole 1 (Tough Par 3)
-Hole 5 (Longer tee made for tougher Par 3)
-Hole 8 (Could be a Par 5, Coda's only three on the lead card looked and felt like an Eagle)
-Hole 17 and 18 (Both could be Par 4's)

Keep working on this Chuck, it is interesting watching the various manipulations change the ratings.

Anyone that watched Coda catch fire and shoot that 72 would most definitely say it was better than a 1030 :confused:

I'll talk to Yeti and Des this weekend about the good and bad of the tournament. They have played everywhere and their opinions are important to me as well as everyone else who played the tournament. I'm curious, everyone seems to be saying this was a much tougher course than the previous 5 years. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Thank you Chuck and Pat. This is interesting to see play out on the ratings.

I agree Mr. Yeti. I cant see anyone much better then a 72 on that course. The way it is now you would have to shoot a 67 to get a 1060 rated round. I cant even fathom a 67 on that course!

I think the tougher course is a good thing, as long as you dont add another final 9 in there like last year. That would be my only thing.

The final 9 safari thing won't happen again while Skip and I are running it. We like for the players to do one long tough round, and then everyone has the rest of the afternoon to relax, play games and have fun.

well you guys did an awesome job this year! Hats off you you sir!

I'll talk to Yeti and Des this weekend about the good and bad of the tournament. They have played everywhere and their opinions are important to me as well as everyone else who played the tournament. I'm curious, everyone seems to be saying this was a much tougher course than the previous 5 years. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Thank you Chuck and Pat. This is interesting to see play out on the ratings.



It's a good thing. :D

It wasn't like it was all about length, there was a variety of holes that tested all of your shots, long bomb, tight and technical, up hill, down hill, in the woods, hyzer, anhyzer, rollers, and the shot I don't have the overhand. I know one thing, I'm starting work on the thumber and pancake this week. I probably left a good 3 shots per round out there because I didn't really have that in my bag.

You can't easily compare 18 versus 24 hole rounds. The extra 6 holes narrows the scoring and ratings range. Take a look at the ratings in R1 at Pro Worlds on Granite (Randolph was on Blueberry in B pool). SSA was 57 and the R3 at VPO is the equivalent at 76 for 24 holes.
www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6277&amp;year=2007&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6277&amp;year=2007&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open)

www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)
So 4 throws on VPO is equal to 3 throws on Granite and each are worth about 25 rating points on those layouts. Essentially, when you have beaten a player by three on 18 holes, you need to beat him by another throw if you play 6 more holes to maintain the same rating. You can see how a score of 54 and 72 rate about the same with 54 being 3 less than the SSA and 72 being 4 less than the SSA.

What happend to Mitch Mac he had a decent first round?? Was the course to wide open for him??J/K

Great tournament! I'm sure I don;t know half the folks who made this possible and helped prepare, but of those I do know... Skip, Clay, Brian... great job! See you next year if not before.

ps. I'll bring the back up tapper next year :)

You can't easily compare 18 versus 24 hole rounds. The extra 6 holes narrows the scoring and ratings range. Take a look at the ratings in R1 at Pro Worlds on Granite (Randolph was on Blueberry in B pool). SSA was 57 and the R3 at VPO is the equivalent at 76 for 24 holes.
www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6277&amp;year=2007&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6277&amp;year=2007&amp;incl ude_ratings=1#Open)

www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6831&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)
So 4 throws on VPO is equal to 3 throws on Granite and each are worth about 25 rating points on those layouts. Essentially, when you have beaten a player by three on 18 holes, you need to beat him by another throw if you play 6 more holes to maintain the same rating. You can see how a score of 54 and 72 rate about the same with 54 being 3 less than the SSA and 72 being 4 less than the SSA.


Parlais vous Francais???? Yo no comprendo, mi amigo.
SSA... AAA.....USA....this thread has gotten cluttered with gibberish.
Does anybody really know what time it is?
Does anybody really care?
As much as some of you would like to make ratings relevant..the fact is they are far too fallible to take seriously.

Unfortunately, Mitch Mac had taken offense that things hadn't gone as smooth to start the morning as we would have hoped and he was also concerned that we would be finishing the second round in the dark, which luckily we didn't. After he had been expressing his concern for several holes, one of the guys on his card told him to clam up and play golf to which he decided he had more important things to do and left. I personally was upset that my ineptitude had contributed to his leaving. I have some good memories of times I've spent with MM and I do care that he got upset.

What happened to Mitch Mac?

I can't believe this event has been going for 17 years!



I can't believe it either, Craig. The time has flown by at supersonic speed since you won the first one. It especially hit me at the awards when, for the first time since he hasn't been there for the awards in a very long time, I was able to thank Geneno for his contribution to the trophies. Saying it to the crowd that he had made the plexiglass states for the entire 17 years made me pause for a moment and ask myself if that was real. :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Does anybody really care?
As much as some of you would like to make ratings relevant..the fact is they are far too fallible to take seriously.


Obviously, many of your customers care about ratings. Not paying attention to your uploads so they're correct doesn't help their credibility. I help clean them up to make you look better and you torch the effort. The ratings are as accurate as the scores you report.

What ever.
Ratings are anything but accurate. If I shoot a good round and nobody else does than I have a good rating. If I shoot a good round and everybody else does that I have a krapy rating. Ratings should be based on how you play the course not how every body elese does.

Ratings are anything but accurate. If I shoot a good round and nobody else does than I have a good rating. If I shoot a good round and everybody else does that I have a krapy rating. Ratings should be based on how you play the course not how every body elese does.



Urban myth. Some say that but we have thousands of rounds that don't bear that out. Any 2-5% variance in round ratings is no different than your typical variance in scores simply due to changing luck when sometimes you have one, two or three cut thrus, bounce outs, or rollaways.

All I know is my 6 down the first round got me on the leader card and was 1000 rated. My three down the second round was 989 rated on a course that played atleast 4 strokes harder. But ever body on the top two cards except for me and Chris shot 6 down or better. And because Coda beat the snot out of the course and everybody else on the top two cards did well it raised the 1000 rated round score.

I am not bitter about any of this. Just giving my opinion. I know you guys try your best and do a great job at it! I thank you for that!

Ratings are the only way that we can seperate the groups with some sort of precision...While I don't always agree with the rating I shot, I would say that overall, they do a pretty good job of keeping the fields straight.

If you look at the consistant winners in large tourneys, it is no fluke that the 1000 rated players are almost always on top.

I don't mind the questions but I can't answer them or correct the ratings when you're looking at unofficial ratings and don't know which divisions played what layout. Some TDs haven't learned how to get the layouts correct or they don't take the effort to do so. The third round at VPO was initially uploaded with everyone playing the same layout. So I fixed that when someone mentioned it. R1 and R2 still have everyone on the same layout. Was that the case? If not, then maybe some of those numbers will change in the official ratings. Or, tell me now and I'll tweak them.

The one thing that's changed this year is that everyone who plays the same layout at different times will get the same rating for the same score when the official ratings are done unless the TD specifically indicates the wind was significantly different between rounds on the TD report. However, the online software that does the unofficial ratings hasn't been reprogrammed to do that. So, you'll see slight variances between rounds on the same course where the same score will be rated different in each round.

I believe everyone played the same holes on the first day. The second day you have already corrected...So we are good! You are doing a great job Chuck. Thanks for your hard work.

All I know is my 6 down the first round got me on the leader card and was 1000 rated. My three down the second round was 989 rated on a course that played atleast 4 strokes harder.


For what it's worth, this sounds pretty accurate, except for the 4 strokes harder part. In reality it was probably 1.5 - 2 strokes harder (one on hole 13 and one split between holes 8 and 18 for a total of two strokes, give or take). If the SSA for round one was 66 (giving you a 1000 rating for that round), then round two should have been about 68... which makes your 69 about 10 points off of SSA... so about 990. factor in that it probably wasn't an even 2.0 stroke difference... and 989 makes perfect sense.

I personally think ratings are a great motivator for players to participate in PDGA-sanctioned events. Are they worth all the fuss they receive? Maybe not so much.

Your score is one of the most personal things you produce in this sport. Ratings are just a slightly fancier multiple of those numbers. It's no wonder that players usually want to think they've shot better than they really have, and likewise, don't always wish to face the truth of that personal info when they haven't. Pretty much human nature at work here. For some, ratings are a little too much of a public barometer of success or failure as a person when it's really just a simple reflection of your disc golf skill in the recent past and a reasonable estimate of your next performance. For other players, your "courtesy rating" during a round might be much more important...