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atreau3
Aug 04 2008, 12:39 PM
Is it still possible to sign up for field events now, if I've already signed up for Worlds?
I'm interested in the skill shot and putting..
crgadyk
Aug 04 2008, 12:46 PM
Does anyone know if the side games will be on a certain time schedule or if its just when you show up. I am hoping to get two rounds worth of practice in on Sunday but still want to play the side games that I signed up for.
Will we just be able to show up and play our side games and then just go elsewhere to play?
My son, Paul Nesbitt, is looking for a Junior <19 doubles partner. Also, we only have (1) car, so he is going to need a ride to the courses for the "Z" pool all week. We are willing to help out with gas.
See ya in Kazoo!
Dave "Nez" Nesbitt
[email protected]
mannyd_928
Aug 04 2008, 01:18 PM
Hey Dave,
my son Chris is playing the z pool also, as a 16 and under. My wife will have a vehicle so we could help out with the rides. He is going to be playing mixed doubles though and already has a partner. We're staying at the Value Inn and I have no idea where that is or if your staying anywhere close but as long as you have him at the hotel, we're more than willing to get him there on time. Give me a call to confirm. (928)369-5574
mannyd_928
Aug 04 2008, 01:21 PM
Whoops! Meant for that to be a private message...DUH!
15489
Aug 04 2008, 02:11 PM
Heads up on directions!
The directions to both Ft. Custer and Robert Morris included on the website route players North on 35th street from Exit #85.
Attention players. The 35th Street Bridge is OUT. Seek Alternate Route!
See you next week.
Leonard
DeanTannock
Aug 04 2008, 04:38 PM
Any word on course maps being posted?
Will the courses be setup and marked this week?
tacimala
Aug 04 2008, 06:28 PM
Anyone interested in a round on Thursday early afternoon at Robert Morris?
keithjohnson
Aug 04 2008, 09:05 PM
Heads up on directions!
The directions to both Ft. Custer and Robert Morris included on the website route players North on 35th street from Exit #85.
Attention players. The 35th Street Bridge is OUT. Seek Alternate Route!
See you next week.
Leonard
What is it with worlds and bridges with 35 in them? :p
Not being from there can you GIVE us an alternate route to use?
Remember - we are going to be driving with regular rush hour and school kids traffic on Monday thru Friday, so a little help would be GREATLY appreciated!
Thanks in Advance!
Keith
thetruthxl
Aug 04 2008, 09:22 PM
there are many "projects" in michigan (You know the whole '3 seasons of michigan'...fall, winter, and road construction.)
We will be including the most up to date directions to get you to the places you need to go. They will be a supliment in your player's packages.
terrycalhoun
Aug 04 2008, 09:24 PM
Keith, it looks like you and Lorelie are going to be in K'zoo. That's kul.
cgkdisc
Aug 04 2008, 09:27 PM
Based on MapQuest, this looks like the easy way to adjust for 35th being closed:
Coming from the west on I-94, exit 80 Sprinkle Road north to M96. Take right and go to 33rd.
To Robert Morris: Take left and follow the remaining instructions.
To Ft. Custer: Continue on M96 following instructions.
Coming from east on I-94, exit 88 onto E. Michigan Av. going west. Go to M96.
To Ft. Custer: Take right on M96 and follow directions
To Robert Morris: Continue onto M96 going west to 33rd. Take right and follow directions.
keithjohnson
Aug 04 2008, 09:38 PM
Based on MapQuest, this looks like the easy way to adjust for 35th being closed:
Coming from the west on I-94, exit 80 Sprinkle Road north to M96. Take right and go to 33rd.
To Robert Morris: Take left and follow the remaining instructions.
To Ft. Custer: Continue on M96 following instructions.
Coming from east on I-94, exit 88 onto E. Michigan Av. going west. Go to M96.
To Ft. Custer: Take right on M96 and follow directions
To Robert Morris: Continue onto M96 going west to 33rd. Take right and follow directions.
Thanks Chuck for the info, and Terry - No worlds for LORELEI this year as she starts school first day of Worlds.
We'll all be in KC next year for the combined Worlds as it is 2 weeks before school starts!
6735
Aug 04 2008, 11:56 PM
Does anyone know if the side games will be on a certain time schedule or if its just when you show up. I am hoping to get two rounds worth of practice in on Sunday but still want to play the side games that I signed up for.
Will we just be able to show up and play our side games and then just go elsewhere to play?
anybody got a idea on the time for mixed doubles and one things says meyer broadway for the ams and another says osthemoalso why nothing on pdga tour page about that and whos signed up so far
kUrTp
Aug 05 2008, 09:07 AM
Does anyone know if the side games will be on a certain time schedule or if its just when you show up. I am hoping to get two rounds worth of practice in on Sunday but still want to play the side games that I signed up for.
Will we just be able to show up and play our side games and then just go elsewhere to play?
anybody got a idea on the time for mixed doubles and one things says meyer broadway for the ams and another says osthemoalso why nothing on pdga tour page about that and whos signed up so far
In the email I recieved from Karolyn Garlock it states that Am mixed doubles will be at Meyer Broadway - both the permanent and temp courses will be played. The Pro Mixed doubles will be playing Oshtemo twice.
I'm still unsure of times?!?!? Anybody else know???
disc13207
Aug 05 2008, 09:43 AM
School does not start in MI until after Labor Day, so you will not have to worry about school traffic. I start my prep week on the 11th here in Florida.
mannyd_928
Aug 05 2008, 10:25 AM
T-minus 35 minutes and this train is rolling! WOOOWOOO!!!! See you all in K-zoo!
dwiggmd
Aug 05 2008, 10:51 AM
I'll be leaving High Point early Friday morning to make the drive alone (my family is leaving Thursday). If anyone needs a ride, PM me.
terrycalhoun
Aug 05 2008, 01:12 PM
Anyone needing Flymart info, see Mark Stubbs' post below!
terrycalhoun
Aug 05 2008, 01:24 PM
Here is a link to a recent post I made on my blog (http://www.discgolfersr.us/profiles/blog/show?id=1809917%3ABlogPost%3A411988) about my only disc golf visit (last Sunday) to Kalamazoo in 5 years! I really liked these two courses, each of which we very old Am guys play twice.
thetruthxl
Aug 05 2008, 01:28 PM
edited by poster, son.
KDiscin
Aug 05 2008, 01:50 PM
Anyone needing Flymart info, that contact is Mark Stuffs, who is also the Sponsors contact:
[email protected]
Actually, our assistant TD has all the flymart information and is happy to assist with any questions.
You can contact kevin dowd at
[email protected]
For those of you keeping score at home, my name is Mark Stubbs, not Stuffs. Bogey.
Thanks!
See you in the Zoo!
Not true. The actual contact person is Larry Labond.
savard1120
Aug 05 2008, 03:12 PM
you are lazy son
crgadyk
Aug 05 2008, 03:32 PM
Any locals from up there know what a good round (1000 rated) would be on each course? I'm playing AM men which is Meyer Broadway, 3 Rivers Temp, Timber Ridge, Robert Morris, and Kimball Pines.
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 03:48 PM
You can look up some of them here: www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/course_ratings_by_course.php)
terrycalhoun
Aug 05 2008, 03:50 PM
Craig, I'm not local, but I played a hot round Sunday at Robert Morris (54) and when I looked back at a couple of ratings of rounds there from a year or two ago using the archived events stats, that would have been around 1,000 - and I understand it is a little tougher right now than before, even.
I have no knowledge regarding a 1,000-rated round on other courses in K'zoo.
tacimala
Aug 05 2008, 04:07 PM
Without looking up past scores, here are my guesses on 1000
Robert Morris - 53
Meyer Broadway - 53
Kimball Pines (a few holes are different now so this one is more of a guess) - 54
Three Rivers Temp (basing this on a friends' report of the course) - 52
Timber Ridge - 60 or 61
DeanTannock
Aug 05 2008, 06:01 PM
Still no course maps.
Are all the Pro courses marked and setup for the tournament layout?
crgadyk
Aug 05 2008, 06:06 PM
Thanks! I can't wait to get up there and try them out!
Anyone know if Meyer and the temp course will be closed for practice on Saturday for the mixed doubles or will we still be able to get in there?
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 06:16 PM
Unless there will be more than one course full of teams, one course should always be available there.
bobsted
Aug 05 2008, 06:22 PM
Unless there will be more than one course full of teams, one course should always be available there.
I think junior doubles are there also, and if there is same number as last year the 2 fields combined should fill about a course and a half.
winonaradiosteve
Aug 05 2008, 06:22 PM
Anyone needing Flymart info, that contact is Mark Stuffs, who is also the Sponsors contact:
[email protected]
Actually, our assistant TD has all the flymart information and is happy to assist with any questions.
You can contact kevin dowd at
[email protected]
For those of you keeping score at home, my name is Mark Stubbs, not Stuffs. Bogey.
Thanks!
See you in the Zoo!
Not true. The actual contact person is Larry Labond.
is this true, now I'm mega-confused who I need to talk to.
But everyone will have their change to pick up some brand new, hot off the Gateway presses, PDGA Radio discs and some other stuff I've dug up at the World's Flymart, I'll see you all out there as I struggle to avoid finishing DFL.
aardball
Aug 05 2008, 07:12 PM
I'm looking for a Doubles partner in the Amateur Masters division. I believe the Doubles is happening on Saturday, August 9.
I'm a lefty with some length to my drives (for an old fart).
I'll be in Kalamazoo beginning on Thursday, August 7. Reply here if you're interested, or call me at 734-975-0228 before Thursday afternoon, or email me at
[email protected] -- thanks.
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 07:32 PM
The only doubles an Am Master can enter is Am mixed doubles and there's normally just one Am division for all ages. Only juniors play in their age and gender brackets. Am World Doubles was in Texas earlier this year.
kUrTp
Aug 05 2008, 07:55 PM
I still have no idea when doubles starts on Saturday???
Anyone???
JackCO
Aug 05 2008, 09:09 PM
Looking for people to fill a room at the host hotel for worlds! 1 am and 1 Pro already plus 2 rental cars, ridesharing a possibility. Please pm in interested.
dwiggmd
Aug 05 2008, 09:12 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked. I see alot of courses with more than 18 holes. will worlds rounds be 18 hole standard rounds or possibly more depending on the course?
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 09:15 PM
All are 18.
aardball
Aug 05 2008, 10:48 PM
The only doubles an Am Master can enter is Am mixed doubles and there's normally just one Am division for all ages. Only juniors play in their age and gender brackets. Am World Doubles was in Texas earlier this year.
Thanks Chuck. What are the chances I can scrounge up a Doubles partner the day of the event? Likely? Not very likely? Impossible?
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 11:14 PM
The women partners are tough to come by but there are more ams than pros coming. Usually they have their partners figured out and those that don't have lots of good choices. If you get there Friday, make it known at check-in that you're looking for a partner. Sometimes the match making can happen that way.
aardball
Aug 05 2008, 11:17 PM
Thanks. I'll be sure to do that when I check in on Friday.
NicoleFrazer
Aug 05 2008, 11:28 PM
I still have no idea when doubles starts on Saturday???
Anyone???
The confirmation e-mail from the PDGA says 10 AM.
Does anyone know how many pro teams are signed up for doubles?
wyattcoggin
Aug 05 2008, 11:32 PM
Sorry if this question has been asked. I see alot of courses with more than 18 holes. will worlds rounds be 18 hole standard rounds or possibly more depending on the course?
David. Drive safe, See you on Friday.
scientificdiscgolf.com
cgkdisc
Aug 05 2008, 11:51 PM
Not sure why they don't have separate listings in the PDGA schedule for Worlds mixed and junior doubles events like they've had the past several years.
crgadyk
Aug 06 2008, 09:20 AM
I have never been to a Worlds event before so I don't know how it has been in the past but it seems like the staff isn't too big on getting information out to the players. There are 5 of us coming up together and none of us really know whats going on with stuff. It just seems like everyone is looking for information and it looks like people aren't getting it.
We are only a couple days away and people are still in the dark about lots of things.
cgkdisc
Aug 06 2008, 09:29 AM
The message board is not the best place to ask questions and expect official responses. Best place is to contact those indicated on your confirmation packet or Worlds website.
savard1120
Aug 06 2008, 09:50 AM
I have never been to a Worlds event before so I don't know how it has been in the past but it seems like the staff isn't too big on getting information out to the players. There are 5 of us coming up together and none of us really know whats going on with stuff. It just seems like everyone is looking for information and it looks like people aren't getting it.
We are only a couple days away and people are still in the dark about lots of things.
i've heard the website is pretty informative, as i'm sure the TD isn't busy or anything...
crgadyk
Aug 06 2008, 10:31 AM
I realize that the message board isn't the best forum for getting details... I didn't have any major questions since the worlds website told me most of the stuff that I needed. I just see a lot of people asking the same questions on here.
My only questions were about scores and the side games... does anyone know if there will be a set schedule we have to follow for the side games or will it be play them when you want as long as you are in a certain block of time?
BTW... I wasn't trying to knock the people for the tournament, I realize its a ton of work and that they are super busy. People are just very excited about getting up there and are ready for some action!
savard1120
Aug 06 2008, 12:39 PM
i think if you look on the website, i want to say the schedule, there is a general time block for the different side games, i think it would be a safe bet to get there at the start of the time block, but im not for sure
kwilliamson
Aug 06 2008, 12:52 PM
The field events are Sunday (Putting, Distance preliminaries, Mini, SkillShot by EDGE) at Timber Ridge from 9am to 4pm and we suggest that you arrive early. Please note that all SkillShot competitors must begin their rounds no later than 3:30pm. This year we will be using a single elimination horseshoes format for the putting contest and all participants will need to check in at the specified time (9:30am for Ams, 1:30pm for Pros).
Directly from the confirmation letter.
z Vaughn z
Aug 06 2008, 01:09 PM
It seems people have difficulty reading.
ChrisWoj
Aug 06 2008, 01:49 PM
Illiteracy is a requirement for PDGA DISCussion board use.
crgadyk
Aug 06 2008, 02:23 PM
Directly from the confirmation letter.
Well thanks for calling me out on my lack of paying attention ;) :p
thetruthxl
Aug 06 2008, 02:45 PM
Just to clear up any further confusion,
Your flymart questions should be directed to Tournament Director, Larry LaBond. 269-217-7356. All email will be answered slower than a phone call.
abee1010
Aug 06 2008, 02:49 PM
Thanks STUFFS, you're the best!!!
thetruthxl
Aug 06 2008, 03:05 PM
Thanks STUFFS, you're the best!!!
Thanks Bee, that will be $1.
kwilliamson
Aug 06 2008, 03:17 PM
Directly from the confirmation letter.
Well thanks for calling me out on my lack of paying attention ;) :p
not a problem Craig.
We up north are used to pointing out the deficiencies of a buckeye every now and then :D
crgadyk
Aug 06 2008, 03:25 PM
Directly from the confirmation letter.
Well thanks for calling me out on my lack of paying attention ;) :p
not a problem Craig.
We up north are used to pointing out the deficiencies of a buckeye every now and then :D
Oh its on... we should settle this on the mini golf course like true men /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
wyattcoggin
Aug 06 2008, 03:32 PM
That more like it, finally some smack talk On the Am Worlds board.
abee1010
Aug 06 2008, 04:31 PM
Tee times are up! The cards seem very well mixed with approximatelly 1 1000 rated player on each card...
Jeff_LaG
Aug 06 2008, 04:56 PM
Tee times for the MPO division round 1 at Timber Ridge can be viewed here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7276). :cool:
Jeff_LaG
Aug 06 2008, 05:35 PM
Scooter and Robbie Bratten together? Conspiracy! Conspiracy! :D
iheartdiscgolf
Aug 06 2008, 08:13 PM
Safe travels to everyone. Can't wait to get there!! Thanks to everyone involved with this event...including competitors. What a reunion this will be!
Peace,
Addie
keithjohnson
Aug 07 2008, 01:46 AM
Thanks PDGA for the GREAT birthday present. :p :p
I like how I'm the FIRST entry into worlds, and I get the overflow pool, playing with seniors, and under 13 juniors on my one round days(nothing personal against either group - I have a 12 year old Future World Champion at home, but I don't think you should sign up first and be in the "OVERFLOW" Pool). Especially when someone signs up the LAST DAY from NC and gets in the "main" pool.
So much for signing up early and Being a "Super Volunteer."
Thanks for the sarcastic label Chuck!
Just more of the same old BS. There is NO REASON I should be in the overflow pool.
Keith(gone from SUPER EXCITED to now dreading worlds)Johnson
z Vaughn z
Aug 07 2008, 08:21 AM
<font color="blue"> [borderline personal attack deleted] </font>
dthrow
Aug 07 2008, 09:06 AM
Groupings should be done randomly. Well thats what i believe the rule book says, although I do notice a lot of non random groupings at tournaments here in WI.
Mark_Stephens
Aug 07 2008, 09:12 AM
Groupings should be done randomly. Well thats what i believe the rule book says, although I do notice a lot of non random groupings at tournaments here in WI.
Actually it is not in the Rule Book. It is in the Competition Manual and it lists 2 methods of groupings. ;)
dthrow
Aug 07 2008, 10:08 AM
in the rule book i have under section804.06 B Grouping and Sectioning . It states "all players within a division should be randomly grouped for the first round and grouped by cumulative score for each round thereafter." We must be reading different rule books.
illyB
Aug 07 2008, 10:09 AM
I just had to withdrawal because of a lower back injury I sustained earlier this week. So there will be a spot open for adv. am soon. Hopefully who ever gets in will kick some butt for me up there. Super bummed!
dthrow
Aug 07 2008, 10:11 AM
Good luck to all WI players! Play well and make lots of Putts. I hope everyone has a good time! Dont forget to drink a couple bells for me.
clenk
Aug 07 2008, 10:23 AM
GO TEAM FLORIDA!!
Good Luck to all Floridians heading to the Worlds.
PROS:
Open: The Champ, Double G, Scott
Masters: Darryl Siddon
Grand Masters: Hos
Senior Grandmsaters: Steve Bremer, Gary Burdick
Legends: Paulie Bagwell
Masters Women: Pam Reineke
Grand Masters Women: Sandy Gast
I smell a first time Major Winner!!!
Mark_Stephens
Aug 07 2008, 10:29 AM
in the rule book i have under section804.06 B Grouping and Sectioning . It states "all players within a division should be randomly grouped for the first round and grouped by cumulative score for each round thereafter." We must be reading different rule books.
2008 Competition Manual
B. All players within a division for the first round should be
grouped via two methods:
(1) Random grouping; players within a division may be
randomly grouped for the first round and grouped by
cumulative score for each round there after.
(2) Player Rating grouping; players within a division may
use player rating to set first round groups. Highest
rated player starting on the lowest number hole, the
second highest rated player starting on the following
hole, etc. This process would continue until all
starting holes have been filled.
Now, which one takes precedence over another is up to debate. :)
dthrow
Aug 07 2008, 11:09 AM
I would think since the competition manual offers the second option, it would be up to the TD on which method to follow. Either would be fine, but it should be one or the other, not who the td wants to put together.
seewhere
Aug 07 2008, 11:13 AM
Just more of the same old BS. There is NO REASON I should be in the overflow pool
this crap happens every year. Not all players are treated equally from the PDGA which is TOTAL BS!! but what is new..
andersab
Aug 07 2008, 11:19 AM
Post deleted by andersab
johnbiscoe
Aug 07 2008, 11:25 AM
...ummmm.... keith has run more tournaments than you have played- including a worlds.
discette
Aug 07 2008, 11:28 AM
Maybe everyone who is complaining should run a tourney and see how hard it is. It's easy to complain... but harder to step-up and DO the work.
Keith Johnson has been the TD of more PDGA events than you have even played - including Am Worlds Miami.
Which just goes to prove it must be random because they wouldn't purposely put Keith in that pool! Come on Keith, you can rise to the top!
johnbiscoe
Aug 07 2008, 11:33 AM
world's hasn't been random since charlotte.
MTL21676
Aug 07 2008, 11:44 AM
Worlds first round groups are not random, they are seeded, so to speak. Obviously, its a bit different this year, but in the past it worked out like this.
The defending champion was ranked number 1.
Then from there on, it was based on ratings.
The number 1 ranked guy was on hole 1 with the 72nd ranked guy in the pool and the middle two in the pool.
The number 2 ranked guy was on hole 2 w/ the 71st ranked guy etc etc etc
I enjoyed it like that. Most of the top players will play with each other by the end of the week.
Most first round groupings I see are not random and worlds is no different, however, it is CLEARLY the best way I've seen to do a leaderboard.
jHarr
Aug 07 2008, 12:05 PM
m and n for the adv
m gets both tues & wed a.m. rounds @ kimball&TR
n gets the afternooners on both days @ kimball&TR
just wondered why the starts wouldn't be flipped for morning vs afternoon in this case...
anyway- just got too much time to ponder and get pumped to put together some good, smart golf...
big thanks to everyone behind the scenes workin hard to get things done!
catch you all in kZoo sunday my brethren... (and sistren)
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 07 2008, 12:08 PM
Worlds first round groups are not random, they are seeded...
The number 1 ranked guy was on hole 1 with the 72nd ranked guy in the pool and the middle two in the pool.
It looks like this is pretty much the case with this year's tee times as the highest rated players are playing with the lowest rated players. So if a Rec player wanted to get in a round with Climo, Schultz, Feldberg, or Doss, he need only register for Worlds? Sounds like a pretty good deal (for the Rec player).
papparoc
Aug 07 2008, 12:20 PM
Are there any 13 yr old boys looking for a partner?
MTL21676
Aug 07 2008, 12:26 PM
Are there any 13 yr old boys looking for a partner?
I don't think this is the correct site for that :D
johnbiscoe
Aug 07 2008, 12:32 PM
Are there any 13 yr old boys looking for a partner?
I don't think this is the correct site for that :D
hopefully PP won't read that... :D
Luckymutha
Aug 07 2008, 12:36 PM
Are there any 13 yr old boys looking for a partner?
I don't think this is the correct site for that :D
:D
jshattuck
Aug 07 2008, 01:33 PM
GO TEAM SPOTSY - REPRESENT!!!!
bschweberger
Aug 07 2008, 01:40 PM
Are there any 13 yr old boys looking for a partner?
I don't think this is the correct site for that :D
hopefully PP won't read that... :D
2nd
ChrisWoj
Aug 07 2008, 02:30 PM
Scooter and Robbie Bratten together? Conspiracy! Conspiracy! :D
Any advantage is taken away by being on White Mike's card. :D
xterramatt
Aug 07 2008, 03:55 PM
2 open players from NC. 2 on the same card from NC. coNCpiracy!!!!
xterramatt
Aug 07 2008, 03:57 PM
Just "rode" Timber Ridge. On the front of an ATV. I bet it was the fastest round played there ever! (until Mike Randolph gets here)
Fun course. lots of elevation, and from what I could tell, some great wooded holes.
This place will separate the men from the boys.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 07 2008, 05:29 PM
From: http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
<font size=4>Say hello to Larry LaBond, the godfather of local disc golf</font>
Thursday, August 07, 2008
BY JOHN LIBERTY
[email protected]
388-8579
KALAMAZOO -- You could make the argument that the 2008 PDGA Professional & Amateur World Disc Golf Championships wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Larry LaBond.
And you would be right.
When talking about attracting the event here, tournament director LaBond points to the help of the Kalamazoo and Battle Creek visitors bureaus. But long before they put their considerable weight behind the event, which is expected to bring in 1,000 players from around the world, there was LaBond.
``Everything we have around here we can thank Larry for, disc golf wise,'' said former local professional Todd Branch, one of the first players to tour full time. ``He puts a lot of time and energy into the Kalamazoo disc golf scene, that's for sure.''
Branch said it's accurate to call LaBond the godfather of local disc golf.
From a course standpoint, LaBond's fingerprints are everywhere. When he moved here from Washington, D.C., to attend Western Michigan University in fall 1990, there were no courses. People used targets, shooting discs at trees or other objects in places like graveyards or a make-shift course on the Kalamazoo College campus, LaBond said. In 1992, he started work on Cold Brook Park. Three years later it opened.
Since then, a number of courses have popped up in and around Kalamazoo and the sport has grown, thanks in large part to LaBond.
A recent example is Victory Park in Albion, which opened last fall. The city and Albion College, where LaBond has taught disc golf since 2006, paid for the course. The city installed and maintains it. It will be one of the four courses used by pros at next week's championships.
LaBond, 36, said organizing the tournament has been more work than he anticipated. As the director of the world championships, he can't compete. Instead, he chose to assure the tournament, which could be the largest of its kind in terms of payout and participation, runs smoothly.
``I'd love to play it, it would be a lot easier than running it,'' LaBond joked.
He said he most likely wouldn't front a bid to bring the tourney back, although he'd support another effort.
Plus that way, he could throw on the courses he built.
dwiggmd
Aug 07 2008, 05:42 PM
Well it IS North Carolina you know. ;-)
Jeff_LaG
Aug 07 2008, 06:42 PM
Apparently Nikko aced hole#10 at Victory Park in practice.
From Greg Hosfeld's blog: http://www.onegranddiscgolftour.com/
We got a late start on our way to Albion�s Victory Park (#908) This is a pristine park with a river slowly meandering through. Complete with a dam waterfall and some ponds that come into play in the middle of the track.
When we reached hole 10, Nikko anhyzered his putter exactly 327� over the river and directly into the chains for a very smooooth ace! The mower, who had been stopping to allow us to drive (even the mowers observe the rules of etiquette!) drove up and congratulated Nikko, saying he�d never seen anyone ace the hole. Chances are he won�t again for a while.
There are some big shots on this course but most of the holes are birdie-able according to par. There�s a 990 footer but also a little finesse 167 footer over the stream for balance. Victory park should see some good score movement during next week�s disc golf marathon.
Shown here is Nikko at the basket with two guys on the tee to the left
http://www.onegranddiscgolftour.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/nikko-aces-victory-10.jpg
http://www.onegranddiscgolftour.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/nikko-by-basket-1.jpg
thetruthxl
Aug 07 2008, 07:36 PM
thats a tough shot I'd only try in casual play. I'm a big fan of spiking an Innova Ram over the island onto the green. bending a putter over the expanse of water is studly. :D
testap
Aug 07 2008, 09:37 PM
Can we just show up to the distance Comp. and sign up?? Anyone know??
thetruthxl
Aug 07 2008, 09:56 PM
Can we just show up to the distance Comp. and sign up?? Anyone know??
show up early, we should be able to get you in. not later, early.
wander
Aug 07 2008, 10:11 PM
Just "rode" Timber Ridge. On the front of an ATV. I bet it was the fastest round played there ever! (until Mike Randolph gets here)
That cat can certainly play some speed golf! He's probably jogging in from Colorado, just for the fun of it.
Can't wait for the spectacle to begin. Too bad I'll miss most of it watching the Ams all play the same hole...
Joe
the_kid
Aug 07 2008, 11:55 PM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Also I am staying at the Comfort Inn in Battle Creek and was looking for someone to ride with to check out the Pro courses sincve I am staying with AMs.
the_kid
Aug 07 2008, 11:57 PM
2 open players from NC. 2 on the same card from NC. coNCpiracy!!!!
They have me and Bratten playing together too. :D
keithjohnson
Aug 08 2008, 12:33 AM
Worlds first round groups are not random, they are seeded, so to speak. Obviously, its a bit different this year, but in the past it worked out like this.
The defending champion was ranked number 1.
Then from there on, it was based on ratings.
The number 1 ranked guy was on hole 1 with the 72nd ranked guy in the pool and the middle two in the pool.
The number 2 ranked guy was on hole 2 w/ the 71st ranked guy etc etc etc
I enjoyed it like that. Most of the top players will play with each other by the end of the week.
Most first round groupings I see are not random and worlds is no different, however, it is CLEARLY the best way I've seen to do a leaderboard.
First of all Robert, I'm talking about the PRO MASTERS division NOT OPEN, which at least gets to play their way into a pool this year.
IT IS DEFINATELY NOT RANDOM in PRO MASTERS when only TWO players are rated UNDER 950 in the pool with 1 being named DAVE NEZBITT (who I like, and a 920 guy from SURPRISE! - MICHIGAN - Home state of worlds). Does someone want to try and explain the REAL REASON - because Random it ain't, signup time it ain't, PDGA # it aint, Ratings it ain't, being named Johnson it ain't - (Pete Johnson proves that), and I'll say it again there IS NO BONAFIDE REASON!
Thanks Discette and Biscoe, for pointing out the obvious.
You could have even said I've run more tournaments in the last 8 months(5)than he's played, but that would have been mean. :D
I just wish that it wasn't the reason I believe it is! :p
Mark_Stephens
Aug 08 2008, 12:37 AM
Well, just let it all go. There is nothing much that can be done at this point. Being mad is not going to get anything done.
YOU GET TO PLAY WORLDS!
There are plenty of people that wish that they could make the trip & take the time off to play.
So, just try relax & enjoy it!
WhtSx2005
Aug 08 2008, 01:23 AM
I am one of those people. Good luck guys. See you next year in KC.
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 08 2008, 02:15 AM
IT IS DEFINATELY NOT RANDOM in PRO MASTERS when only TWO players are rated UNDER 950 in the pool
Since you brought up rating, I'm curious why you think at 943 you should've been in the almost exclusively >950 D pool. I think you raise an interesting question about how the pools were drawn and I think you deserve an answer (which I don't have unfortunately), but it seems like the 11 guys rated >950 in the E pool might have more reason to scratch their heads than you do when it's clear that ratings played a big part in the pool selection.
For what it's worth, that "920 guy from SURPRISE! - MICHIGAN" has the second lowest PDGA number of the entire Masters field. I reckon he deserves as much special consideration as anyone else.
I just wish that it wasn't the reason I believe it is! :p
Care to elaborate?
stack
Aug 08 2008, 03:53 AM
as posted earlier by LaGrass...
http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
crk211
Aug 08 2008, 04:06 AM
Scoot_er ,
I am also staying at the Comfort Inn in Battlecreek but I don't have anyone to share the room/expenses with. I am the only Am GM from St Louis so I can't help you with a ride to the Pro courses but do you know of anyone looking to share a room?
I don't mind giving up my room if someone can put me up.
bobsted
Aug 08 2008, 08:26 AM
Looking at the pro masters pools it looks like they were divided up by rating with exceptions being made for people who wanted to ride together. Next year pick a high rated player and put in that you want to be in their pool and that might bump you up to the top pool.
Am masters on the other hand is hard to figure out what they did. 28 of the top 29 rated are in the main pool and then it looks random after that. Unfortunately for a friend of mine he just missed the cut of top 29 and got randommed into the smaller pool. I wish they would of either done totally random or by rating. Either of those methods would of likely put a lot of good players in his pool rather than now where he is one of the best in the small pool.
I am a TD I like doing random. I once for the first round of a tournament had to random pick someone from pro men to play with the 2 pro women. I picked Scott Martin out of the stack, who was the best player in MI at the time and probably 1 of the top 5 to 10 players in the world. He never said a word or complained and went on to win the tournament. I thought that was very professional and classy of him and I appreciated it a lot.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 08 2008, 08:43 AM
They have me and Bratten playing together too. :D
article on Labond & worlds...
http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
Did you guys not see my posts with exactly the same information only about two dozen posts up?!? :confused:
Mark_Stephens
Aug 08 2008, 08:58 AM
In people's defense, the pages have begun to fly by in the last day or so. It could have been missed.
I copied it to our local page. :)
deoldphart
Aug 08 2008, 09:17 AM
The pools have been set, it gives all a chance to play, and each player has a chance to move up, pending on how well you play. At the start, if one is not happy, This is where you pull up your Drawers, and deal with it. Have fun, and bag a little. Since I can't make it this year. I take this opportunity to call everyone a Bagger, and next year Ill bag with ya.
Good Luck to all
Mini Thumber, President of the Bagger Cup
phluffhead
Aug 08 2008, 09:27 AM
They have me and Bratten playing together too. :D
article on Labond & worlds...
http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
Did you guys not see my posts with exactly the same information only about two dozen posts up?!? :confused:
Did you ever think that he just might have you on IGNORE
the_kid
Aug 08 2008, 09:42 AM
They have me and Bratten playing together too. :D
article on Labond & worlds...
http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
Did you guys not see my posts with exactly the same information only about two dozen posts up?!? :confused:
I wasn't going to read ALL ten pages. :D
the_kid
Aug 08 2008, 09:50 AM
Scooter and Robbie Bratten together? Conspiracy! Conspiracy! :D
Here Jeff I went all the way back just for you. :p
stack
Aug 08 2008, 09:56 AM
article on Labond & worlds...
http://www.mlive.com/features/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/features-1/121812064576660.xml&coll=7
Did you guys not see my posts with exactly the same information only about two dozen posts up?!? :confused:
Sorry... orig. post of mine edited to give you credit for posting this article first. ;)
keithjohnson
Aug 08 2008, 09:59 AM
I am a TD I like doing random. I once for the first round of a tournament had to random pick someone from pro men to play with the 2 pro women. I picked Scott Martin out of the stack, who was the best player in MI at the time and probably 1 of the top 5 to 10 players in the world. He never said a word or complained and went on to win the tournament. I thought that was very professional and classy of him and I appreciated it a lot.
Same here except you are talking about PRO men with Pro Women, NOT pro Masters with AM Juniors - just a LITTLE different, and also the biggest stage in the world, NOT a local event - I mix players when cards overlap at my events also, BUT I ASK the players if they mind playing with ams, jrs, etc.
I never done the car pooling thing, but I think Next year, I'll say i'm car pooling with Kenny, Dave,and Avery. :D
bgwvdave
Aug 08 2008, 10:38 AM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Can a local please shed some light on this question? thanks
Jeff_LaG
Aug 08 2008, 10:39 AM
I wasn't going to read ALL ten pages. :D
You probably have your parent posts to show per page set too low. Allow me to make a suggestion for easier board reading:
Click on My Home, then Edit for Display preferences, number of shown topics, languages, colors...
The following settings are helpful:
Default display mode: Flat mode
Default view: Collapsed threads
Total parent posts to show per page: 99
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the_kid
Aug 08 2008, 10:46 AM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Can a local please shed some light on this question? thanks
Yeah and if so Michigan sucks more than I thought.
Mark_Stephens
Aug 08 2008, 10:55 AM
Now, I have not played all of the courses over there but, the only one that I can think of that does charge is Fort Custer as it inside of a state park.
EDIT: Robert Morris & Coldbrook according to the book Disc Golf Michigan charge an fee. I am not sure if they have an arrangement with Worlds or not.
I am sure someone more local can confirm or deny this.
deoldphart
Aug 08 2008, 12:45 PM
Wave, tell them that NC, players are exempt from paying a local parks because of out state and local tax systems....LOL ;)
kwilliamson
Aug 08 2008, 01:03 PM
Article about worlds and wiggins (http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2008/08/david_wiggins_jr_is_the_disc_g.html)
Worlds article (http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2008/08/2008_world_disc_golf_champions.html)
blog and video about disc golf & kalamazoo (http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2008/08/ad_lib_61.html)
cefire
Aug 08 2008, 06:04 PM
FYI Course maps are up now...
6735
Aug 08 2008, 06:54 PM
FYI Course maps are up now...
where i didnt see them
Joseph
Aug 08 2008, 09:12 PM
We had to pay to play Robert Morris today Dave..... :(
RonSTL
Aug 08 2008, 10:21 PM
just played in front of some boys headed to worlds 7pm my time. I guess they are the lucky ones knowing that they playin some new courses and glad they did not know all of the fun everybody was having in Mich.
Just seems like a couple of details that needed attention.
Most likely they have been handled but they have not been communicated.
Peace to all,
Jeff_LaG
Aug 08 2008, 10:59 PM
FYI Course maps are up now...
where i didnt see them
<font size=5> DOWNLOAD 2008 PDGA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS COURSE MAPS, FINAL SCHEDULE (8/8/08) AND KALAMAZOO / BATTLE CREEK MAPS HERE: </font size>
http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/WorldsConfirm.php
http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/WorldsConfirm.php
http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/WorldsConfirm.php
6735
Aug 08 2008, 11:56 PM
thank you kind Sir hitting the road in less than 2 hours now be in the Zoo by 6am playing by 7am lol
the_kid
Aug 09 2008, 02:20 PM
Originally I liked the Idea of having the Pros play thier way into pools but then again that means we won't know who to ride with for the week until monday night.
With that said does anyone know any MPO players staying in Battle creek at the comfort inn?
I have only played one course due to not having a fing ride.
Twisted1
Aug 09 2008, 03:12 PM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Can a local please shed some light on this question? thanks
Just played Ft Custer. You have to pay this weekend to play. $8 for out of staters, not sure what it is for locals.
the_kid
Aug 09 2008, 03:23 PM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Can a local please shed some light on this question? thanks
Just played Ft Custer. You have to pay this weekend to play. $8 for out of staters, not sure what it is for locals.
Yeah we decided to just skip that one after already paying $5 at Morris.
jarmiller
Aug 09 2008, 04:26 PM
Good luck Ryno! I'll see you at KOC.
keldog
Aug 09 2008, 04:42 PM
So do we have to pay to enter all of the Parks?
Can a local please shed some light on this question? thanks
Just played Ft Custer. You have to pay this weekend to play. $8 for out of staters, not sure what it is for locals.
WOW!that's going to add up to alot of $$$ for the parks! :confused:
PeeWee23213
Aug 09 2008, 06:48 PM
GOOD LUCK JOE AND ALL THE TWISTED ONES FROM OKLAHOMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MTL21676
Aug 09 2008, 06:58 PM
just got a call
Andrew Coggin and Dave Wiggins Jr both of NC won their age division in doubles.
Yet ANOTHER world title for NC's junior dynamic duo
bschweberger
Aug 09 2008, 07:02 PM
Congrats to the IGGY and OGGY
LoudBottom
Aug 09 2008, 08:29 PM
Any clue if doubles results will be posted?
disc_golfbeast88
Aug 09 2008, 08:42 PM
Wow that is awesome! Just wanted to wish everyone that is representing NC good luck this year!!!!!
scottcwhite
Aug 09 2008, 08:55 PM
WOW!that's going to add up to alot of $$$ for the parks! :confused:
Yea that's the idea. Michigan's economy is really BOOMING this year, they really don't need the money at all.
Pizza God
Aug 09 2008, 09:18 PM
I paid to play the course used in the 91 Am Worlds in MI. I was there for the week, so I purchased the week pass. Then found out we got free passes with our players package. Oh well.
garydropcho
Aug 09 2008, 11:54 PM
My son Marcus and I are playing different courses this week and we are looking for a car pool to get him to around. We are staying at Towneplace Suites just off I-94 in Kalamazoo (about 5 minutes from the Holiday Inn K-zoo) Send a PM if you know of a seat.
J. Gary
xterramatt
Aug 10 2008, 12:17 AM
Des and Jay win Pro Mixed Doubles, shooting 46, 52. Markus and Birgitta shoot 46, 55, but tie with someone on the second card. Possibly Blakely and partner for second. I did not hang around for the full breakdown.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 10 2008, 10:55 AM
Amateur Mixed Doubles Results
First Round Meyer Broadway Best Shot
Second Round Meyer Broadway Temp Alternate Shot
<table border="2"><tr><th colspan=1> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> Rd 1 </th><th> Rd 2 </th><th> Total </th></tr>
</td><td> 16007 </td><td> Kelsey </td><td> Brakel </td><td> 30613 </td><td> Tate </td><td> Handy </td><td> 51 </td><td> 55 </td><td> 106 </td></tr>
</td><td> 33705 </td><td> Jeremy </td><td> Koling </td><td> 30543 </td><td> Dawn </td><td> Geist </td><td> 53 </td><td> 60 </td><td> 113 </td></tr>
</td><td> 26899 </td><td> Trevor </td><td> Thorp </td><td> 26898 </td><td> Kimberley </td><td> Scott </td><td> 56 </td><td> 58 </td><td> 114 </td></tr>
</td><td> 31787 </td><td> Anne </td><td> Lewis </td><td> 27112 </td><td> David </td><td> Frothingham </td><td> 58 </td><td> 58 </td><td> 116 </td></tr>
</td><td> 26777 </td><td> Robert </td><td> Nitzsche </td><td> 30499 </td><td> Melissa </td><td> Martin </td><td> 55 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 117 </td></tr>
</td><td> 24077 </td><td> Arthur </td><td> Pengelly </td><td> 25745 </td><td> Dawn </td><td> Pengelly </td><td> 55 </td><td> 63 </td><td> 118 </td></tr>
</td><td> 24459 </td><td> Stephanie </td><td> Myers </td><td> 32013 </td><td> Corey </td><td> Carlson </td><td> 58 </td><td> 61 </td><td> 119 </td></tr>
</td><td> 13087 </td><td> Bruce </td><td> Brakel </td><td> 16006 </td><td> Diana </td><td> Brakel </td><td> 59 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 121 </td></tr>
</td><td> 31737 </td><td> Jim </td><td> Ferrara </td><td> 31738 </td><td> Karen </td><td> Farrell </td><td> 59 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 121 </td></tr>
</td><td> 16008 </td><td> Kiralyn </td><td> Brakel </td><td> 7569 </td><td> Roger </td><td> Vranek </td><td> 60 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 122 </td></tr>
</td><td> 15117 </td><td> Terry </td><td> Calhoun </td><td> 16505 </td><td> Sheila </td><td> Calhoun </td><td> 60 </td><td> 63 </td><td> 123 </td></tr>
</td><td> 29598 </td><td> Dan </td><td> Hollingshead </td><td> 30544 </td><td> Alex </td><td> Hollingshead </td><td> 58 </td><td> 65 </td><td> 123 </td></tr>
</td><td> 21261 </td><td> Greg </td><td> Wheeler </td><td> 20862 </td><td> Becky </td><td> Brakel </td><td> 60 </td><td> 67 </td><td> 127 </td></tr>
</td><td> 30819 </td><td> Alanna </td><td> Houck </td><td> 29526 </td><td> Kurt </td><td> Poole </td><td> 57 </td><td> 70 </td><td> 127 </td></tr>
</td><td> 8550 </td><td> Peter </td><td> Boyle </td><td> 8544 </td><td> Fiona </td><td> Menzies </td><td> 58 </td><td> 73 </td><td> 131 </td></tr>
</td><td> 31824 </td><td> Kris </td><td> Zahm </td><td> 32887 </td><td> Tami </td><td> Dobberpuhl </td><td> 60 </td><td> 76 </td><td> 136 </td></tr>
</td><td> 21993 </td><td> Sandy </td><td> Houston </td><td> 9739 </td><td> Mike </td><td> Baldwin </td><td> 76 </td><td> 83 </td><td> 159 </td></tr>
</td><td> 14540 </td><td> Rhett </td><td> Stroh </td><td> 19717 </td><td> Laurie </td><td> Stroh </td><td> 62 </td><td> 999 </td><td> DNF </td></tr>
</table>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 10 2008, 11:07 AM
Junior Divisional Doubles
First Round Meyer Broadway Best Shot
Second Round Meyer Broadway Temp Alternate Shot
<table border="2"><tr><th colspan=1> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> Rd 1 </th><th> Rd 2 </th><th> Total </th></tr>
</td><td> 21923 </td><td> Tyler </td><td> Triumph </td><td> 18772 </td><td> Zack </td><td> Zandstra </td><td> 53 </td><td> 55 </td><td> 108 </td></tr>
</td><td> 33548 </td><td> Austin </td><td> Montgomery </td><td> 36461 </td><td> Alex </td><td> Montanto </td><td> 57 </td><td> 56 </td><td> 113 </td></tr>
</td><td> 28359 </td><td> Nicholas </td><td> Duran </td><td> 37012 </td><td> Zack </td><td> Aschenbach </td><td> 58 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 120 </td></tr>
</table>
Junior Under 13 Divisional Doubles
First Round Meyer Broadway Best Shot
Second Round Meyer Broadway Temp Alternate Shot
<table border="2"><tr><th colspan=1> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> Rd 1 </th><th> Rd 2 </th><th> Total </th></tr>
</td><td> 27745 </td><td> Andrew </td><td> Coggin </td><td> 24437 </td><td> David </td><td> Wiggins </td><td> 53 </td><td> 54 </td><td> 107 </td></tr>
</td><td> 333306 </td><td> Cameron </td><td> Lincoln </td><td> 33151 </td><td> Ryan </td><td> Lincoln </td><td> 58 </td><td> 63 </td><td> 121 </td></tr>
</table>
Jeff_LaG
Aug 10 2008, 11:13 AM
Professional Mixed Doubles Results
First Round Oshtemo Best Shot
Second Round Oshtemo Alternate Shot
<table border="2"><tr><th colspan=1> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> PDGA# </th><th> First </th><th> Last </th><th> Rd 1 </th><th> Rd 2 </th><th> Total </th></tr>
</td><td> 15863 </td><td> Des </td><td> Reading </td><td> 15864 </td><td> Jay </td><td> Reading </td><td> 46 </td><td> 52 </td><td> 98 </td></tr>
</td><td> 12626 </td><td> David </td><td> Feldberg </td><td> 29858 </td><td> Melody </td><td> King </td><td> 48 </td><td> 53 </td><td> 101 </td></tr>
</td><td> 15916 </td><td> Birgitta </td><td> Lagerholm </td><td> 13150 </td><td> Markus </td><td> Kallstrom </td><td> 46 </td><td> 55 </td><td> 101 </td></tr>
</td><td> 7495 </td><td> Avery </td><td> Jenkins </td><td> 17495 </td><td> Valarie </td><td> Jenkins </td><td> 46 </td><td> 56 </td><td> 102 </td></tr>
</td><td> 18330 </td><td> Matthew </td><td> Orum </td><td> 13815 </td><td> Carrie </td><td> Berlogar </td><td> 49 </td><td> 54 </td><td> 103 </td></tr>
</td><td> 25166 </td><td> Sarah </td><td> Demar </td><td> 24962 </td><td> Geoff </td><td> Bennett </td><td> 49 </td><td> 58 </td><td> 107 </td></tr>
</td><td> 15410 </td><td> Matthew </td><td> Blakely </td><td> 21732 </td><td> Liz </td><td> Shooner </td><td> 47 </td><td> 60 </td><td> 107 </td></tr>
</td><td> 29879 </td><td> Ziggy </td><td> Bierekoven </td><td> 29190 </td><td> Paige </td><td> Pierce </td><td> 48 </td><td> 60 </td><td> 108 </td></tr>
</td><td> 24900 </td><td> Brent </td><td> Koontz </td><td> 24355 </td><td> Nicole </td><td> Frazer </td><td> 48 </td><td> 61 </td><td> 109 </td></tr>
</td><td> 15857 </td><td> Gregg </td><td> Barsby </td><td> 16594 </td><td> Angela </td><td> Tschiggfrie </td><td> 48 </td><td> 61 </td><td> 109 </td></tr>
</td><td> 11674 </td><td> Eric </td><td> McCabe </td><td> 31162 </td><td> Liz </td><td> Lopez </td><td> 52 </td><td> 58 </td><td> 110 </td></tr>
</td><td> 16425 </td><td> Chris </td><td> Sprague </td><td> 15869 </td><td> Kathy </td><td> Betcher </td><td> 49 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 111 </td></tr>
</td><td> 27523 </td><td> Paul </td><td> McBeth </td><td> 30347 </td><td> Brittany </td><td> Breed </td><td> 50 </td><td> 62 </td><td> 112 </td></tr>
</td><td> 18901 </td><td> Andrew </td><td> Rivers </td><td> 31041 </td><td> Sheila </td><td> Teves </td><td> 54 </td><td> 60 </td><td> 114 </td></tr>
</td><td> 33277 </td><td> Katie </td><td> Stauss </td><td> 18464 </td><td> Chris </td><td> Hereen </td><td> 51 </td><td> 66 </td><td> 117 </td></tr>
</td><td> 17643 </td><td> Erin </td><td> Oakley </td><td> 18265 </td><td> Matt </td><td> Toy </td><td> 53 </td><td> 67 </td><td> 120 </td></tr>
</td><td> 30397 </td><td> Sarah </td><td> Stanhope </td><td> 27574 </td><td> Jordan </td><td> Rauch </td><td> 54 </td><td> 67 </td><td> 121 </td></tr>
</td><td> 29144 </td><td> McCoy </td><td> Connor </td><td> 33725 </td><td> Kelsey </td><td> Wilmerding </td><td> 56 </td><td> 66 </td><td> 122 </td></tr>
</td><td> 15022 </td><td> Mitch </td><td> Justice </td><td> 15218 </td><td> Patty </td><td> Justice </td><td> 59 </td><td> 68 </td><td> 127 </td></tr>
</td><td> 5175 </td><td> Merle </td><td> Witvoet </td><td> 25046 </td><td> Terri </td><td> Duncan </td><td> 55 </td><td> 74 </td><td> 129 </td></tr>
</td><td> 1413 </td><td> Dan </td><td> Thessen </td><td> 32695 </td><td> Shelley </td><td> Thessen </td><td> 60 </td><td> 76 </td><td> 136 </td></tr>
</table>
tacimala
Aug 10 2008, 11:49 AM
big jerm getting crushed by a michigan player he better get used too it
Dana
Aug 10 2008, 12:11 PM
Tate- 1
Jerm- 0
stack
Aug 10 2008, 12:15 PM
big jerm getting crushed by a michigan player he better get used too it
thats laughable... tate's partner is the only woman over 900 rated in the women's adv field and jerm's is rated 100 pts lower and under 16!
good shooting Jeremy & Dawn! time for the 2 of you to go for your individual titles now!!!
MTL21676
Aug 10 2008, 12:42 PM
big jerm getting crushed by a michigan player he better get used too it
thats laughable... tate's partner is the only woman over 900 rated in the women's adv field and jerm's is rated 100 pts lower and under 16!
Egg Zach Lee
9 out of 10 times in mixed alternate shot, the winner is the team with the better female player.
rollinghedge
Aug 10 2008, 02:12 PM
Ahem...they got beat in best shot too.
tacimala
Aug 10 2008, 02:34 PM
for the record someone else posted that from my laptop. I have no beef!
ChrisWoj
Aug 10 2008, 03:11 PM
regardless of reasoning Tate wins the warmup. Now to see him take the whole show. Or at least. Beat koling so I done lose a disc ;) good luck to all the participants! Can't wait for the local pro field to explode in a week!
DMoney1420
Aug 10 2008, 03:52 PM
I am looking for Tate to win this being he is a local but there is at least 200 Am's that will have something to say about that. It really sux that I cant play but i will be down there a few days this week to check the pro's out.
Look for Feldberg to win his first world championship in the city where he learned to play.
dwiggmd
Aug 10 2008, 05:27 PM
Andrew won 13 and under putting. David won 19 and under putting. David won 13 and under distance with a throw (downhill of 791 ft. (I think) That was one of the longest several throws of the day by anyone. Dawn Geist won her putting competition and got 2nd in Mixed doubles with Jeremy Koling. That's 5 world titles for team Scientific Disc Golf !!!
sandalbagger
Aug 10 2008, 05:46 PM
I'm not so sure Feldberg will keep it together all weekend?? Hard to believe it was 10 years ago I played my first rounds with Feldberg and Avery. I'm not sure Avery even wanted to be there. I think he HAD to play because his mom and dad were playing the Hambrick.
Best of luck to all of the competitors.
johnbiscoe
Aug 10 2008, 09:08 PM
come on chris, you just moved up, you should have plenty of discs!! :D
good shooting by dave and melody- she's rated way below those other chicks.
johnbiscoe
Aug 10 2008, 09:14 PM
congrats to the brakels for taking down the calhouns and the strohs. :D
ChrisWoj
Aug 10 2008, 09:33 PM
come on chris, you just moved up, you should have plenty of discs!! :D
good shooting by dave and melody- she's rated way below those other chicks.
Haha I was an entrepreneurial amateur, I never came away from a tournament with much new plastic. ;)
But yeah, no doubt good luck to all of the amateurs I just want to see a good competition up there. As long as someone from the MI/OH area takes it home (gotta love living on the border).
terrycalhoun
Aug 10 2008, 10:27 PM
Jay Reading won the Pro Men's putting contest on stage in front of hundreds of cheering fans. It was a game to 21 (win by 2) with the three winners of the three "pools" of putters, one of whom was Jay.
A made putt was 2 points, a metal hit was 1 point, two made putts was 5 points (each player had two putts per round).
It was close to the end, but Jay decided after his second putt to bring the crowd into it and urged noise and cheering as he putted, which brought the energy levels up very high for his win.
What was impressive was that the crowd sensed that the other two players wanted quiet for their putts and for the most part gave it to them.
It was a nice opening ceremony at the players meeting tonight.
mikevt
Aug 10 2008, 11:03 PM
Yeti is a putting machine, he won both of the putting contest at the GMO last weekend.
stack
Aug 10 2008, 11:13 PM
Jay w/ 2 world titles so far?! Not too shabby!
and Lagrass has prob already posted this somewhere else :p but I thought I would put up the link... cool article about feldberg and his local connection to the Zoo
http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-30/1218342019138630.xml&coll=7
hankdabank
Aug 11 2008, 12:04 AM
Any sort of distance results anywhere?
stack
Aug 11 2008, 12:52 AM
i haven't seen anything anywhere... how'd you do? you the only cdgc guy in it on the pro side or did peckham go for it?
saw some pics of you, jerm, buddy playing mini golf
http://www.flickr.com/photos/
[email protected]/sets/72157606656001329/
scottcwhite
Aug 11 2008, 08:26 AM
Is there a spectator schedule posted for the Pro divisions? I would like to see them when they play Albion.
Thanks!
rocknhardstx
Aug 11 2008, 09:12 AM
HELP!!! I am staying at the Holiday Inn and need a ride to Begg for my round at 1. Please call 361 947-2498, if you can help or call room 248. I am in pool P...
cgkdisc
Aug 11 2008, 09:17 AM
Is there a spectator schedule posted for the Pro divisions?
www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08PAWScheduleFinal.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08PAWScheduleFinal.pdf)
deoldphart
Aug 11 2008, 09:26 AM
Have any Idea when the distance results will be posted, and why didn't they do distance on flat ground so comparisons could be made. I threw a disc off a bridge in West Virginia that went about 1400 ft down a canyon, doesn't mean I can throw far. It was fun to watch though.
Go Team Scientific Disc Golf, Stop by the Fly Mart tonight and meet Team Scientific Disc Golf, and see what they have to offer you and your club. :cool:
cgkdisc
Aug 11 2008, 09:41 AM
Field events are being processed this morning for payouts and should be up late today. Worlds rarely does distance on open, level ground. It's really called "Long Drive" not distance. One reason is that finding a venue to handle true distance isn't easy and it's possible the wind won't cooperate from the right direction. Several of the top players at all age levels typically don't participate so they don't tweak something that affects their chances to win Worlds. So Long Drive is normally what is done at Worlds which typically measures throws that are more like golf shots than true distance 360 turnarounds on flat level ground.
ching_lizard
Aug 11 2008, 09:52 AM
We've spoken with most course TDs and it sounds like everyone has gotten off to a stellar start this morning!
Weather is brisk at around the mid 60's and clear skies.
We are going to try and post the MPO rounds periodically as scores come in. The entire MPO division will be seeded into pools based on their opening round scores this morning.
All else is going swimmingly.
Distance results are being tabulated now and should be going up pretty soon.
mikevt
Aug 11 2008, 11:13 AM
Vermont takes down 4th place AM Mixed Doubles, way to go Anne and Dave.
-mike
ching_lizard
Aug 11 2008, 12:12 PM
Advanced Master Pool Q from Begg Park are now up!
Amateur Results link - Click here! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7275)
ching_lizard
Aug 11 2008, 12:25 PM
Oops! We are updating which divisions play which course now...ratings won't be right until we get it fixed....
deoldphart
Aug 11 2008, 01:27 PM
Wat to Jermy and Dawn, 2nd mixed dbls good job. Now they have Dawn listed U-13 girls. Cupcake going back in time..LOL ;)
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 01:48 PM
Two aces (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=860150&an=0&page=0#Post8 60150) have been hit already! :cool:
rollinghedge
Aug 11 2008, 02:02 PM
First off, thanks to everyone helping out with the event. Secondly, will MPO scores be updated all at once or as they trickle in? I need my fix! :D
Edit: Scores tricking in here. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7276&year=2008&incl udeRatings=1#Open)
Mark_Stephens
Aug 11 2008, 02:06 PM
Great job by the Worlds staff getting this information up quickly! :)
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 02:18 PM
Open scores from Timber Ridge are indeed trickling in slowly. I played a practice round there on Saturday and the current hot score of 56 is SICK!!! The front nine is a fairly straightforward par 30 but the back nine is a BEAST - it measures 5500' with a pro par of 36 just for the back nine holes alone! :eek:
scottcwhite
Aug 11 2008, 03:07 PM
How was course par determined? I noticed that Albion - Victory Park has a course par of 59 (FPO division this morning).
clenk
Aug 11 2008, 03:12 PM
FLORIDA PROS FIRST ROUND SCORES!!
Hos in First!
Steve Bremer in First!!
Paulie in Second
Pam in Second
Sandy in Second
LOOKING GOOD :) KEEP IT UP!!
LETS GO BREMER!!! DO DAYTONA PROUD!!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 03:16 PM
How was course par determined? I noticed that Albion - Victory Park has a course par of 59 (FPO division this morning).
At Victory, the 990' hole#12 is a pro par five and the 600' 17th hole is a pro par four. Hole#1 and hole#5 are 'tweeners' that are listed at par four for this tournament yielding a total of 59.
skaZZirf
Aug 11 2008, 03:31 PM
How about those updates? Bards been in for 1/2 hour
ching_lizard
Aug 11 2008, 03:41 PM
Great job by the Worlds staff getting this information up quickly! :)
Hey Mark...Get your dufus down here! :D
Scores are trickling in for the MPO division playing timed too-offs at Timber Ridge. We've gotten 1 or 2 updates so far, but we can only process them in between other TDs calling in their scores. We're going to keep up with them as best as we can.
Mark_Stephens
Aug 11 2008, 03:54 PM
Great job by the Worlds staff getting this information up quickly! :)
Hey Mark...Get your dufus down here! :D
Scores are trickling in for the MPO division playing timed too-offs at Timber Ridge. We've gotten 1 or 2 updates so far, but we can only process them in between other TDs calling in their scores. We're going to keep up with them as best as we can.
I told you that I would have helped out in any fashion that you say fit if you won on my charity auction but, you did not bid. :( :D
If I could have the time off to be there the whole week trust me I would be playing at this moment...
magilla
Aug 11 2008, 04:12 PM
With Feldberg, Jenkins, Shultz & Rico on the NEXT 4 cards....
We should get an idea of just how "good" the current leader scores are..
:D
michellewade
Aug 11 2008, 04:21 PM
Does anyone know what happened to Annie Kreml? She usually plays FPM but they have her in FPO and no score. Is she injured???
Karma Police
Aug 11 2008, 04:21 PM
Sorry if this has been answered on the other thread. I've heard two scenario's for the pools playing Timber Ridge tomorrow. I've heard shotgun starts at 8:00, 12:00, and 4:00 and I've heard there are tee times all day long. Anyone know which it is? Thanks!
Luke Butch
Aug 11 2008, 04:21 PM
Great start Val !
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 11 2008, 04:36 PM
On the Am side... Koling on the board in 2nd with a respectable 1010 rated round if the ratings are accurate for that pool. Pool B with Handy not posted yet...
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 11 2008, 04:41 PM
With Feldberg, Jenkins, Shultz & Rico on the NEXT 4 cards....
We should get an idea of just how "good" the current leader scores are..
:D
Looks like the current scores held up well. Barry is tied for the lead with Felberg and Jenkins one shot back.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 05:07 PM
Barry Schultz aces hole#12 at Timber Ridge (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=860150&an=0&page=0#Post8 60150)! :cool:
Dana
Aug 11 2008, 05:50 PM
Curious as to why David Wiggins Jr decided to play 19 and under division?
After a quick glance, it looks like the competition might have been tougher/better in the 16 and under division.
stankee
Aug 11 2008, 06:10 PM
MONTANA??...Who'ed thought!!...Go Christian..sick round!!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 06:11 PM
And we have a new leader in Open...Christian Dietrich shoots a 55! :cool:
dwiggmd
Aug 11 2008, 06:17 PM
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stankee
Aug 11 2008, 06:28 PM
And we have a new leader in Open...Christian Dietrich shoots a 55! :cool:
http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/christiand.html
stack
Aug 11 2008, 06:29 PM
His age qualifies him for the 13 and under.
:)
good response
Dana
Aug 11 2008, 06:32 PM
I'm aware that his age qualifies him for 13 and under. Just curious why he/you decided to jump up to 19 and under?
ChrisWoj
Aug 11 2008, 06:32 PM
PB with a 993 in L Pool in the hunt! Tear it up Wolverine!
seewhere
Aug 11 2008, 06:33 PM
he/you
that would be his son
Dana
Aug 11 2008, 06:34 PM
Aware.
dwiggmd
Aug 11 2008, 06:47 PM
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ChrisWoj
Aug 11 2008, 06:51 PM
It is David, no doubt a good answer and makes sense.
Though I will say that that isn't always the case with AmWorlds. I've noticed, frequently, the U16 group as a "true" juniors group sees more talented players as a lot of the guys that could be 16-18 but are more talented tend to just play Advanced.
Just an observation from my past few years of watching results. And it could be completely inaccurate for this year's competition (and looks that way, sick solid round from the U19 leader).
tyson99duke
Aug 11 2008, 07:04 PM
whatever division david plays in is the toughest.
Keep it up team Carolina!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 11 2008, 07:07 PM
A lady ace (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=860150&an=0&page=0#Post8 60150)! :cool:
mbohn
Aug 11 2008, 07:20 PM
whatever division david plays in is the toughest.
Keep it up team Carolina!
Agreed! David is playing some great golf on his own terms, within the guidelines as expected. A very honorable young man with tons of talent!
No doubt he could give the men in advanced or even in open a run for their money, and no doubt he will in the future.... Keep it up David.... :cool:
ChrisWoj
Aug 11 2008, 07:23 PM
whatever division david plays in is the toughest.
Keep it up team Carolina!
Agreed! David is playing some great golf on his own terms, within the guidelines as expected. A very honorable young man with tons of talent!
No doubt he could give the men in advanced or even in open a run for their money, and no doubt he will in the future.... Keep it up David.... :cool:
I don't know about Open...... yet. ;) But no doubt he'd be up in the hunt in ADV.
Dana
Aug 11 2008, 07:23 PM
David-
Thanks for answer, I guess. No need to get all worked up.
mbohn
Aug 11 2008, 07:29 PM
Ok maybe not open yet... I guess I was just going with it... Still, a great kid with a bright future.... Not to mention a great attitude...
stack
Aug 11 2008, 07:45 PM
Stan McDaniel shooting some sick Masters golf today for a 2 stroke lead so far... 1047 & 1022 rated ... not too shabby OLD MAN!!!
bschweberger
Aug 11 2008, 07:52 PM
considering he could be playing Grandmasters
mbohn
Aug 11 2008, 07:57 PM
Jim Oates! Only 2 back... Go NorCal....
cwphish
Aug 11 2008, 09:31 PM
WTG North Cackalackers! Wish you could have been up there too cheeseburger!
brock
Aug 11 2008, 09:46 PM
good luck everybody!
CD and "Frosty Boy" looking gooooood
michellewade
Aug 11 2008, 09:46 PM
C'mon SO CAL!
Rootin for Steve Rico and Paul McBeth.
Let's go guys!
:cool:
deoldphart
Aug 11 2008, 09:49 PM
Burger, you have the opportunity to go watch Lil Wigg play, I would take advantage of it. You'll thank me for it later.
Team Scientific Rollin
Go Lil Wig,with your surgical placement, Andrew with your torpedo putt, and Dawn with your cupcake drive. ;)
deoldphart
Aug 11 2008, 09:53 PM
Tate- 1
Jerm- 0
Uh, scuse me, what was that!. Nice shootin Big Jerm :D
Carolina bringing tha smack ;)
ChrisWoj
Aug 11 2008, 11:09 PM
I was wrong apparently about which Michigander would be tearing it up. My boy JIMMY MOTHABLEEPIN BATES, Hambrick Adv Champ, with a pair of rounds in the 990s. Guys I've driven down to tourneys big tourneys with this year after a day...
Pat Burke - 993
Jimmy Bates - 995 993
Ziggy Bierekoven - 1023
Yeah boi!
gumbputt
Aug 11 2008, 11:21 PM
One thing that happens a lot with the older Jr's is their parents stop "sponsoring" them so they don't have all day to practice anymore. This occurs in other events "sports beside disc golf" also. I have heard where Jr's are not allowed to participate with the adults because they would win every time since they get time to practice. Getting a job, car, significant other, etc... generally means less time for recreation. If one is lucky enough to be totally "sponsored" and have good coaching available they should very blessed and thankful for an opportunity very few ever ever get to have.
One of my fantasy's if I ever win enough in PowerBall is to sponsor a person for a full year 100% everything. They get to pick their sport that they have some talent in and enjoy. One would measure how much they improve over that year. We all know someone that would be super at this or that they just don't have the support system to get them to the next level. Just looking a NASCAR, you can not tell me have the last name, Earnhart, Petty, didn't put them way ahead of the game.
The soap box just broke
Dana
Aug 11 2008, 11:24 PM
woj- boi?
Yo mini thumbski- I have seen him play.
Lets go Ben Douglas!
cwphish
Aug 11 2008, 11:26 PM
If I won the powerball I would totally sponsor Cam, 100% all paid! ;)
ChrisWoj
Aug 11 2008, 11:40 PM
woj- boi?
Yo mini thumbski- I have seen him play.
Lets go Ben Douglas!
Woj has been on and off of a bender since Friday morning. And right now is working on another bottle of Ouzo. Woj does not have full control of his graymatter.
CAMBAGGER
Aug 11 2008, 11:44 PM
If I won the powerball I would totally sponsor Cam, 100% all paid! ;)
thanks ;)
deoldphart
Aug 12 2008, 06:00 AM
woj- boi?
Yo mini thumbski- I have seen him play.
LOL :D
Lets go Ben Douglas!
cwphish
Aug 12 2008, 06:37 AM
If I won the powerball I would totally sponsor Cam, 100% all paid! ;)
thanks ;)
No problem! :D
phluffhead
Aug 12 2008, 09:11 AM
Send his money here
http://knoxville.fbi.gov/
jHarr
Aug 12 2008, 09:34 AM
I was wrong apparently about which Michigander would be tearing it up. My boy JIMMY MOTHABLEEPIN BATES, Hambrick Adv Champ, with a pair of rounds in the 990s. Guys <font color="red"> I've driven down to tourneys big tourneys with this year after a day </font> ...<-----wtf???
Pat Burke - 993
Jimmy Bates - 995 993
Ziggy Bierekoven - 1023
Yeah boi!
chilly with 1004
& trevor's got a 999 M pool (p.m. not posted yet?)
lansing represent!
watch out for the traffic out there...
scottcwhite
Aug 12 2008, 10:41 AM
Any of you worlds players looking for a good local league, come out to Ypsilanti (about 1.5 hours east of kalamazoo) tonight for Rolling Hills Pro/Am Doubles. Starts @ 5:30pm, runs every Tuesday.
$5 + $1 ace pool (which is currently at $100 paid)
Address:
7660 Stony Creek Rd
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
(734) 484-9676
brianb
Aug 12 2008, 10:44 AM
Sure is nice to watch our MT boy on the live scoring. Keep tearin' it up Christian!!!!
Jeff_LaG
Aug 12 2008, 11:02 AM
Currently a three-way tie for the lead (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7276)! :eek:
MTL21676
Aug 12 2008, 11:07 AM
Currently a three-way tie for the lead (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7276)! :eek:
Maybe
Sadly our sport has issues with what goes on past the lead card.
Someone on the second or third card could have a 4 shot lead right now
gordonmk
Aug 12 2008, 11:10 AM
Way to go Mike Olse; right up there in the big 'ol tie for 2nd.
Waterlooooooooooooooooooooo
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 12 2008, 11:40 AM
Sadly our sport has issues with what goes on past the lead card.
Really? Or do they have an issue with the number of volunteers required to follow more than the lead group?
MTL21676
Aug 12 2008, 11:44 AM
With 1 hole to go, Schultz and Orum can match McDaniel's 46 (1047-rated) at Coldbrook yesterday.
They are both sitting at 46 right now, so a birdie would get them to 48, not 46.
If a 46 was rated 1047, I would expect to see some 45's and 44's from the lower cards.
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 12 2008, 11:49 AM
Doh, math not my strong suit. :DI was counting red marks (7) and subtracting from 54. Forgot about those par 4s.
Jeff_LaG
Aug 12 2008, 11:54 AM
Unless a 'ninja' from the second card caught them, it looks like Barry Schultz in the lead with Orum one back. :cool:
gang4010
Aug 12 2008, 12:01 PM
Why is it that the live scoring can only handle 4 players? Aren't all the groups cycling through a scoring station?
lefty_anhyzer
Aug 12 2008, 12:03 PM
Unless a 'ninja' from the second card caught them, it looks like Barry Schultz in the lead with Orum one back. :cool:
The scores were pretty tight yesterday so actually I think the ninja could've come from the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th card. :p
BrandonYoung
Aug 12 2008, 12:08 PM
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phluffhead
Aug 12 2008, 12:17 PM
Where's Steve Dodge and how come he can pull this stuff but not worlds?
jdavidson
Aug 12 2008, 12:20 PM
Just heard Nikko & Feldberg both shot 44... I believe that would put both ahead of Barry by 4.
dome
Aug 12 2008, 12:33 PM
i just got a text from bard saying nikko shot 44 and may be in the lead but feldburg shot 54 not 44?
dome
Aug 12 2008, 12:34 PM
Where's Steve Dodge and how come he can pull this stuff but not worlds?
cause dodge is the man
jdavidson
Aug 12 2008, 12:36 PM
Checking my source... :)
jdavidson
Aug 12 2008, 12:38 PM
Checking my source... :)
Source confirms: 44 for Feldberg. If it's wrong, blame Robbie Bratten. :)
discette
Aug 12 2008, 12:38 PM
Where's Steve Dodge and how come he can pull this stuff but not worlds?
Maybe the fact they are using volunteers to run ten different courses instead of just one could have a little something to do with it.
ching_lizard
Aug 12 2008, 12:42 PM
A Pool scores are up.
dome
Aug 12 2008, 12:43 PM
borg did shoot a 44 my mistake (or bards) sorry
dome
Aug 12 2008, 12:47 PM
wide range of scores wonder what the course was like????
rollinghedge
Aug 12 2008, 12:47 PM
C'mon KO and Shoestring!!! Bring in the hot round this afternoon!! Knoxville ain't nothing to [censored] with.
MTL21676
Aug 12 2008, 12:51 PM
If a 46 was rated 1047, I would expect to see some 45's and 44's from the lower cards.
Called it
mad4disc
Aug 12 2008, 12:51 PM
Jeez ..... minus 13 ??? minus 12? Who's setting par on these courses? Seems like they might be a tad on the low side or the game is changing before our very eyes
Chris
phluffhead
Aug 12 2008, 12:51 PM
maybe, maybe not. Guess I'll atleast have a more productive work week.
Plus noboby really cares about any other division except Open right?