www.discgolfvalues.com (http://www.discgolfvalues.com) has the destroyer for sale. its in the candy fundraiser section. this is a pre release of 160 discs. hopefully these will go up in value like the test teerexs

Has anyone thrown one yet? I'd love to hear a good description of how it flies, and how it compares to a star or pro wraith.

Hmmm. Sounds cool, but if its nothing more than just a faster Wraith then technically I dont really see the point.

Hmmm. Sounds cool, but if its nothing more than just a faster Wraith then technically I dont really see the point.




I do! Everyone will go out and buy it and it will be touted as the best disc ever!

I bought some to sell on ebay after dgv sells out

I'm thinking less about the speed and more about the wider rim.

I've got big hands and I think think this will be a bit much. i'll post when I get them next week. I got one to throw and the rest to make some moolah!

nice lookin out for the disc golf community

nice lookin out for the disc golf community



Seriously

I'm totally with snatching up plastic and making marginal profits all in the name of the mighty dollar! ITS SOOO EFFING COOL!!1!ONE!1!!

You guys make me sick.

nice lookin out for the disc golf community



Seriously

I'm totally with snatching up plastic and making marginal profits all in the name of the mighty dollar! ITS SOOO EFFING COOL!!1!ONE!1!!

You guys make me sick.



Oh common....you can't blame the guy for trying to make a buck.

its not like I'm selling crack. geeze louise

its not like I'm selling crack. geeze louise


I'm not sure how good of an argument that is. Disc golf is pretty **** addicting. You'll probably catch me bidding on one of those Destroyers.

Buy up all those Destroyers so that when only 65 people show up for U.S. Masters, we won't have to split all that fundraising inclome with very many others!!!

Mua-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!

Come on you old farts that always complain about the old farts not getting enough respect: start making plans for Ole Man Nationals. Old broads should come out too. The entry forms are up on the U.S. Masters website.

its not like I'm selling crack. geeze louise


I'm not sure how good of an argument that is. Disc golf is pretty **** addicting. You'll probably catch me bidding on one of those Destroyers.



This is your brain... :)

This is your brain on Disc Golf... :cool::D

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call me crazy, but i don't think disc golf stores are much better. they jack up prices by like 75% some places. i know you have to make a profit, so i'm not complaining. i just sell discs too so i'm not one of the people being screwed :). and i should probably point out that dgdave has a disc golf store, so it's not like this is any different than normal business. you guys are acting like he's stealing. he's just buying discs for more than he would normally buy them in an attempt to make a bigger return. it's just business. kinda like if he had been selling generic discs before and now he's investing in designer discs or something :p (replace the word disc there with anything involving clothing in a department store and you understand everything about the clothing industry)

word retards

word retards



I dont know why but those words are the greatest words ever spoken.

Just get a real job.

nice lookin out for the disc golf community



Seriously

I'm totally with snatching up plastic and making marginal profits all in the name of the mighty dollar! ITS SOOO EFFING COOL!!1!ONE!1!!

You guys make me sick.



I believe that is how our capitalist economy works.

i do have a real job. why not just try to make a couple extra bucks here and there?

I'm sensing a little frustration that Dave has a little extra cash to throw towards an investment and you don't.

Why dog him for trying to make a buck???????

Sniff, Sniff, Sniff.......I smell jealously! Wish you thought of it first?

ha. girls girls you are all pretty. now lets all turn off the computer and go promote our lovely sport.

much love

ps. i agree with bizzle.

How about flipping houses. buy them cheap sell them for a few HUNDRED THOUSAND more. lets just look at this as an investment piece. I flipping discs, not to pick a dubs partner.

RFB, you have a point about stores jacking the price, but I think the store is not the source. Have you seen the "minimum sale price" that manufacturers publish on their discs? Innova has minimum prices that they require stores to retail at. That's the problem. Sammler stores need to make more money to keep themselves going until they are established, thus they ask more than teh already high minimum retail. I haven't seen any minimums from Discraft, but I just bought a ton of $5 discs for a tournament (Discraft Tourney Specials ROCK, the prices on custom stamped discs are better than misprints!!!!) and hope I don't plan on seling them at some high minimum price.

It's plastic ya'll! We're paying to support other events, special tourneys, set-up fees, and research. Otherwise we'd all be buying $4 premium plastic discs.

It's all good with me.... They are already out of my range :D
thats why i will wait to get one for $16 or less :cool:

by the way anyone looking for Tulsa orcs, 1st run cfr wraiths, or some big star stamp Rex's? still trying to make a buck on these :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

murph is looking for the tulsa orcs.

For the record, I only got 3. 1 to throw 2 for back ups if I like or to sell.

call me crazy, but i don't think disc golf stores are much better. they jack up prices by like 75% some places. i know you have to make a profit, so i'm not complaining. i just sell discs too so i'm not one of the people being screwed :). and i should probably point out that dgdave has a disc golf store, so it's not like this is any different than normal business. you guys are acting like he's stealing. he's just buying discs for more than he would normally buy them in an attempt to make a bigger return. it's just business. kinda like if he had been selling generic discs before and now he's investing in designer discs or something :p (replace the word disc there with anything involving clothing in a department store and you understand everything about the clothing industry)




I wont call you crazy, just stupid.

"Jacking up the prices..."

Lets see....considering that NO DISC GOLF DISC ON THE PLANET sells for the MSRP Id say we are doing what we need to do to survive. Obviously, you sell discs out of your trunk or on the internet as you dont understand what an OVERHEAD is. Its a selection of bills and debts you pay every month to maintain your business. As we actually RENT PROPERTY to SELL DISCS we have to charge a little more than the normal internet seller and/ or basement vendor, who are only in business to make "some money on the side" or to just profit off disc golf.

Sorry for trying to bring disc golf more into the mainstream, and sorry for working to make disc golf better than it is at least in our area.

Ill make you a deal...Ill lower my prices when you start paying my rent.

RFB, you have a point about stores jacking the price, but I think the store is not the source. Have you seen the "minimum sale price" that manufacturers publish on their discs? Innova has minimum prices that they require stores to retail at. That's the problem. Sammler stores need to make more money to keep themselves going until they are established, thus they ask more than teh already high minimum retail. I haven't seen any minimums from Discraft, but I just bought a ton of $5 discs for a tournament (Discraft Tourney Specials ROCK, the prices on custom stamped discs are better than misprints!!!!) and hope I don't plan on seling them at some high minimum price.







You have no idea what the hell your talking about. The main reason you dont see minimums from other companies is because they cant do it. They have enough problems trying to break into the retail markets that Innova already dominates and cant afford to back people off with the ultimatums Innova can make.

The problem for smaller stores ( actual stores, not gas stations and grocery stores doing nothing but making money off disc golf ) is that stupid people have been doing hard work for next to nothing for too long as disc golf alone couldnt support them. Making 2 or 3 dollars on the side for selling some discs may be great, until you start adding up all the bills it takes to make it happen. Unless your a wholesaler selling thousands of discs a year that doesnt cut it in the real world.

80% of all new business fail in their first year. Imagine how hard it is trying to beat that selling plastic.

I suppose a person that has worked thier own land into a remarkable course and wants to charge you money to play it is ripping you off as well, since theres over 1000 courses you could go play for free?

Theres a option on here called "Preview" that allows you to re-read and sometimes re-think what your about to put into print..I suggest some of you take advantage of it before posting.

murph is looking for the tulsa orcs.

For the record, I only got 3. 1 to throw 2 for back ups if I like or to sell.




Shouldve gotten more. Theres nothing wrong with ordering short run discs to sell to make something off of down the road. I guess nobody on here has ever seen Ebay, or heard of 01 Rocs?

call me crazy, but i don't think disc golf stores are much better. they jack up prices by like 75% some places. i know you have to make a profit, so i'm not complaining. i just sell discs too so i'm not one of the people being screwed :). and i should probably point out that dgdave has a disc golf store, so it's not like this is any different than normal business. you guys are acting like he's stealing. he's just buying discs for more than he would normally buy them in an attempt to make a bigger return. it's just business. kinda like if he had been selling generic discs before and now he's investing in designer discs or something :p (replace the word disc there with anything involving clothing in a department store and you understand everything about the clothing industry)




I wont call you crazy, just stupid.

"Jacking up the prices..."

Lets see....considering that NO DISC GOLF DISC ON THE PLANET sells for the MSRP Id say we are doing what we need to do to survive. Obviously, you sell discs out of your trunk or on the internet as you dont understand what an OVERHEAD is. Its a selection of bills and debts you pay every month to maintain your business. As we actually RENT PROPERTY to SELL DISCS we have to charge a little more than the normal internet seller and/ or basement vendor, who are only in business to make "some money on the side" or to just profit off disc golf.

Sorry for trying to bring disc golf more into the mainstream, and sorry for working to make disc golf better than it is at least in our area.

Ill make you a deal...Ill lower my prices when you start paying my rent.


so... hate everyone, do we? i was making a point FOR sellers, which you obviously didn't get. calling ME stupid is pretty much the STUPIDEST thing you could have done. i'm probably the only person who agrees with you. brilliant.

by the way, i don't think calling people stupid is a very good way to add to a conversation. kinda makes your argument disappear behind inflammatory words. maybe if you try acting like a grown up you'll find that it gets you further.

look, i understand that you probably own a disc golf store or something and want to defend your honor (or something to that effect). that's fine, but disc golf isn't big enough yet to have your own store dedicated to the sport. sure, plently of cities have them. that doesn't mean it's a good idea. if you want to try to get by, you need to sell discs online. that way you don't have those same expenses like rent and all of the rest of it. yes, there are fees, but it's nothing like rent and selling the disc usually pays for any fees you have. then, make the customer pay for shipping (which is standard, obviously) and you make a solid profit. the only stores that can sell discs and get by are either selling discs on the side (say a sports store like play it again) or an online business. don't blame the rest of us for your poor business decisions.

Well, right now I don't have the time or the capital to start an actuall store, so I guess I'm one of the people hurting the sport. Some day I would love to have my own place because there is no great place in Oklahoma to get discs. I feel I'm helping get out great products, and yes I do make some monet off of them, but that goes straight into buying more discs. I also have tons of used discs that I take with me to give to new players if I see that its their 3 round and they are throwing a Max. I'm not just doing this for the money. I've been playing for over a decade and loved the evolution of the sport and I want to see it get better. so I will just be a trunk selling hack untill I can drop everything else to find a place to rent to sell out of.

that's good. selling golf discs shouldn't be something you try to make a killing at. that's why i sell discs cheaper than anyone i've ever seen. i do it to help the local disc golfers out and keep from spending my life savings on discs myself. i just love the sport and i'm addicted. it's a way for me to break even. if you want an actual store for disc golf, great. it will bring the sport to a new level in your area, but the profit won't be coming soon. i wouldn't do it until disc golf is on espn or something. and i'm not talking about a 5 minute "how to" where disc golf is one of ten new or strange sports they happen to be talking about. now granted, disc golf stores opening up in every city would make the sport popular much faster, but it will be a struggle for a while, no matter what.

Does anyone on here have any actual knowledge of the Destroyer?

faster wraith from the sound of it. wider rim, if that's possiblem, that makes it more gyroscopic. mine are going out today. i'lll post when I get them and toss them

Does anyone on here have any actual knowledge of the Destroyer?


I have thrown it a lot. I would not describe it as a faster Wraith. More like a faster TeeRex X. It is replacing my Max in my bag, which I use for wind, sidearms, and shots where the disc has to come back after a hard pull. It is a power disc, and probably will not be popular with players who can't throw fast, unless they use it for sidearm. It comes in weights from 168-175 gms. I have been throwing the lightest ones I could get, and have no inclination to throw anything over 170 gms at all.

Chase, are you having a bad day, or just combative in general?

I don't know if you own Iron Lion or what, but I applaud you for giving it a go and trying to make it work. I'd buy discs from you as the local guy, rather than going somewhere else just to save a buck or two. I live in a small town and that's what we do around here. We could save 10-20% by going to megalowmart, but we support our local friends. Coming across and arguing with people who aren't even fighting with you isn't gonna make you any friends though.

I wasn't trying to come down on Innova, just on setting policies for the minimum selling price set by any company. I haven't ordered any Innova so I am not speaking from experience. What I'm looking at (and we're just a club, NOT A STORE) is that I'm not going to be forced to sell the $5 discs we just bought for any minimum price. We bought them and own them, we'll sell them for whatever we want be it $10 or $25.

What the hell are you talking about pay to play for?!?!? The comparison doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't consider paying to play a quality course a ripoff, when the 100 nearby free ones suck. I'd be paying for the quality of the course. I guess on that note though, I may pay the first time, but if the course sucks I'm not going to pay again, so in essence I'm not paying someone for their effort! Just like the manufacturers, it would be nice if we could just pay for the product - not the effort, advertising, etc that went into it.

Also, I am no platic resins expert by any means, so I simply equate cost with durability, which is why I don't understand paying more for Star or ESP when it is less durable. I suppose the simple answer is that the resins actually do cost more, so I'll concede.

Isn't this thread about the Destroyer? Sorry I've contributed to getting off topic. How much wider is the rim? Anyone have a side view cutout profile of the disc? From the DG Values site, it also looks the the lower rim is flat and not concave?

My question is why is DiscGolfValues the only retailer with these? I was never offered any of these, nor was any other retailer to my knowledge. There is a pattern here...

Also, if this disc is PDGA approved, aren't there supposed to be a minimum of 1500 produced?

What bothers me more than anything is that DiscGolfValues is the only retailer with these. I was never offered any of these, nor was any other retailer to my knowledge.

Also, if this disc is PDGA approved, aren't there supposed to be a minimum of 1500 produced?



It's a Conspiracy, I say :eek: Conspiracy :mad:, but I'm a sucker and have one order from DG Values :confused:

its approved by tech standards, but not approved for sanctioned play

Of course you have to order one, that's why the "conspiracy" works and it's also the same reason that it's not fair to the other retailers.

I agree completely and in my defense I have bought from sun king as well :cool:

Chase...

I understand exactly what you are sayin'...

I've done the math... preach on.

Trotter
SDGC

The Destroyer is currently available only in the CFR program in Champion and Star plastic.

Discgolfvalues is being kind enough to list these for the US Masters, So Cal Championships and the Sunrise Showdown. Proceeds go to support these events. In this case, DGV is not a retailer, but a valuable So Cal volunteer.

The disc will be available soon in Star plastic to all retailers.

So Cal Championship Destroyers (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=CE_DST)

Thanks.

Im not trying to preach at all, I also didnt intend to come off nearly as offensive as I did. I had a long weekend, filled with various bogies, and was just coming off the road. In any event, I wasnt trying to say anything bad about online retailers with the exception that they are working for far less standards than they should have to. ( Which is due to the fact that hard working disc golfers carried the retail end of this on thier shoulders for very little compensation for many, many years. Now that end is being picked up by people that dont need disc golf to survive, for the most part, but are selling to benefit thier pocket book. These people rarely contribute to the growth of disc golf in any way, with the exception of raising public awareness of products. As a majority of those products are Innova, its harder to ask or expect people to sell other companies products with some sort of minimum, as you are lucky to be marketing to anything other than a former Innova buyer. )

Yes, I do own a store. Yes , I do charge more for plastic. Yes, I do ONLY sell disc golf equiptment and other things disc golf. Yes, it is risky and we could offset the higher overhead with other products, but I dont know dick about other products.

Life is a series of risks. We feel we can help take disc golf to the next level and do it while working to build our disc golf community. I also pretty much live disc golf and sometimes its a little much, but hey, thats my job. It could be alot worse, and it may not work out, but we've been a disc golf only retail storefront for well over a year and a half in Illinois. Id say we've been doing something right.

Well, right now I don't have the time or the capital to start an actuall store, so I guess I'm one of the people hurting the sport. Some day I would love to have my own place because there is no great place in Oklahoma to get discs. I feel I'm helping get out great products, and yes I do make some monet off of them, but that goes straight into buying more discs. I also have tons of used discs that I take with me to give to new players if I see that its their 3 round and they are throwing a Max. I'm not just doing this for the money. I've been playing for over a decade and loved the evolution of the sport and I want to see it get better. so I will just be a trunk selling hack untill I can drop everything else to find a place to rent to sell out of.




That wasnt how I was trying to come across at all. I also dont think I ever directed anything towards you about not helping the game. Good luck with your trunk sales. Maybe try taking a chance down the road and there may be a cool place in Oklahoma in the future. If that happens, let me know how selling the cheapest discs on the planet goes for you.

My question is why is DiscGolfValues the only retailer with these? I was never offered any of these, nor was any other retailer to my knowledge. There is a pattern here...

Also, if this disc is PDGA approved, aren't there supposed to be a minimum of 1500 produced?

I'm guessing it was the same reason you were the only retailer to have flx predators's

I wonder if it is coincidence the success and popularity of Disc Golf in the Quad Cities on one hand and the existence of Iron Lion on the other?

Is there anywhere with a higher per-capita of a population playin' Disc Golf then in the Quad Cities to be found?

By the way, you guys from QC need to road-trip over to Lincoln Park � we now have alternate pin placements� Some guys were up from STL and ended up going around 5 times� They seemed to like it a bunch�

My question is why is DiscGolfValues the only retailer with these? I was never offered any of these, nor was any other retailer to my knowledge. There is a pattern here...

Also, if this disc is PDGA approved, aren't there supposed to be a minimum of 1500 produced?


They aren't allowed for tournament use until 1500 are out there. This doesn't mean it isn't approved, it is... but it isn't legal for tournament use. Same as with the "Turbo Putt" a little while back during its initial uproar: Approved, but not legal.

murph is looking for the tulsa orcs.

For the record, I only got 3. 1 to throw 2 for back ups if I like or to sell.




Shouldve gotten more. Theres nothing wrong with ordering short run discs to sell to make something off of down the road. I guess nobody on here has ever seen Ebay, or heard of 01 Rocs?



Those orcs are great. I definitely got too many... I have 5 left, still working on the first one!!! SOooooooooooo durable. Still have two turquoise night shift orcs with navy blue stamps at 174 as well....

Same as with the "Turbo Putt" a little while back during its initial uproar: Approved, but not legal.



I do not understand this. How can an approved disc, that has met the quantity requirements, not be legal? Wouldn't that mean that it is not approved?

I wonder if it is coincidence the success and popularity of Disc Golf in the Quad Cities on one hand and the existence of Iron Lion on the other?

Is there anywhere with a higher per-capita of a population playin' Disc Golf then in the Quad Cities to be found?

By the way, you guys from QC need to road-trip over to Lincoln Park � we now have alternate pin placements� Some guys were up from STL and ended up going around 5 times� They seemed to like it a bunch�




Will we be using them for the CCC?

Actually, the QCs disc golf scene has been on the verge for awhile and although I think we have helped to make a major impact on disc golf around here, its also due to the strong work of the club and others, even the jerk-offs that tried to ruin it for their own selfish reasons.

I do think one of the things keeping it down was a serious lack of communication and spite from former members. I honestly think the store acts as a hub that has brought alot more people into the fold, thus creating a better club structure and providing relief for some of the people that have been plugging away for so long. No matter how much I dislike some of the people that were here before me, Id never take away credit for something they had done to promote the game or the work they did to help grow this area into what it has become.

Be on the lookout for a combined Worlds landing in the QCs sometime in the future. We get to crush the perception of Womens Nationals first, which I can promise we will, then onto the Big Time.

Same as with the "Turbo Putt" a little while back during its initial uproar: Approved, but not legal.



I do not understand this. How can an approved disc, that has met the quantity requirements, not be legal? Wouldn't that mean that it is not approved?


But it HAD NOT met the QUANTITY requirements at the time people were talking about it, around DGLO and AmNats weekends. It had met every standard it needed for the PDGA to allow it to be produced for use in sanctioned play.

Unfortunately not enough had been produced for it to be legal at that time.

Sooo.....anyone throw a Destroyer yet? Whaddya think???

mine went out yesterday. I'll post by the end of the week

" Will we be using them for the CCC?"


Yep, you will be seeing alternate pin placements at the CCC - and it looks like Brad will tap Ziggy to set up a couple of the "Cardinal/Deaf Dogs" temp holes for this upcoming CCC.... including a wicked hyzer shot through the woods just above the ponds... We will be throwin' it all at ya' cuz too much of a good thing, is well a good thing...

Just a taste... you know #16 - the short ace-run on the side of the hill below the Pavilion? The alternate is across the sidewalk and concrete stairs that go down the hill - the full length of the hill and basket is just shy of drop off of the hill at the road in line with the teepad for #13 that is across the inner drive... Risk vs. Reward....

#11 - the blind hyzer into the woods now has the alternate pin placement all the way down to the bottom of the hill about 20' short of the road under the monster tree...

Elevation now comes into play on 5 of the new placements... Best round so far has been a 55 from the Blues as compared to a 43 from the Blues as the course record...

It is tough but not impossible. The only hole that did not get an alternate pin sleeve is #9 - the long hole across the top of the park...

Park District is fully on board with Disc Golf now and our third course is going in down at Centennial Park... They just planted a bunch of prairie grasses... once the new grasses take hold - then the baskets, we already have, are going in.... Down hill bombs - basket layouts across streams in the woods and a place for a temp hole where the tee pad can be set on a huge hill that must be 150' to 200' high and the basket can be put anywhere for 400 to 900 feet from the base of the huge hill.... That temp hole at Centennial will be screamin' for a sponsor by the way in the near future for upcoming tourneys...

With Douglas, Lincoln and Centennial... we are thinking maybe A-tier in a year or two...

Instant distance and accurate control. Easy 30-50' on my drive. It is to the wraith, what the wraith was when it first came out to other discs. This is the first of next generation drivers. I don't even have a wraith in my bag anymore. I've played a couple rounds with it. With some effort, its definitely possible to turn the disc over. (175g low altitude) The major difference that I see with this disc is it's incredible speed off the tee. The combination of speed, glide, and control on this disc are perfect for my throw. try one if you have the opportunity...

P1X3LPU5H3R,
what is your golf d? not mb or distance d. what lines does it handle? will it come back if flipped?

It always comes back when flipped if given any height at all. When thrown with a hyzer it holds the hyzer the whole time. I haven't thrown it in a heavy headwind yet. Sorry I don't know what you mean by golf d, mb or distance d. I use it as my main distance driver now. And its consistently passed all my other drives. I was throwing around 415-430 and with the destroyer I've been getting around 450. But I'm no distance thrower...

P1X3L is definitely throwing mb distance. :)

is mb distance the same as BS distance?

I throw 650'. Actually that was once, downhill, 100' elevation drop. With a tailwind, and the disc was way OB.

I'm not cutting on you, just BS'ing. :D

Motherboard distance. From the PCI slot to the CPU.

Matt,
The reason I had FLX Predators is because I drove 14 hours to Bowling Green, went up to the Discraft booth at the Flymart and bought them. I then drove 14 hours home and listed them on my site. Any person or retailer could've done the same. Not so with the Destroyers.

My issue is that this is not an isolated case. It offers extra value to one retailer's website, but is not even offered to other retailers. When you consider that this "independent" retailer works at the factory and has first shot at this kind of stuff, it makes you a little curious. I'm not upset with DiscGolfValues, I'm upset that Innova allows it to happen over and over.

From my understanding the profits for discs like the proto TeeRex and Destroyers go to the tournaments. Are you saying that it is an unfair benefit to DGV.com since it gives them additional site traffic? If indeed that is the only profit they get from these exclusive limited disc sales then maybe that's the tradeoff for having to deal with shipping all the orders. Just a thought

Sooo.....anyone throw a Destroyer yet? Whaddya think???



Yeah how does do they fly? I wanna know man!

DGV.com is just selling fundraisers for tournements in there area. Other sites do this too. Twisted flyer sells discs for the OK open and British Open just to name a couple... If you want, I'm sure you could offer tournements in your area to use your site to raise funds.

As I posted earlier:

The Destroyer is currently available only in the CFR program in Champion and Star plastic.

Discgolfvalues is being kind enough to list these for the US Masters, So Cal Championships and the Sunrise Showdown. Proceeds go to support these events. In this case, DGV is not a retailer, but a valuable So Cal volunteer.




Discgolfvalues is donating time and effort to So Cal events by listing these discs. If any other retailer is willing to pick up the discs, sell them and send the proceeds to So Cal, we would gladly accept your help too.




PS. I have seen PixelPusher throw at least 400. If he could only putt.... :o:p

I don't see the Destroyer listed at DGV now. :(

went and threw it some. nothing special. Fast. reminds me of a fast avenger or beat in spirit. Its finally up close to gateway fast. Rim is big. anything more would be too much. I have big hands as well. I likw that the flight plate is nice and thin since there is so much weight in the wing. I got one 175, 172, and 170. I threw the 172. I want to get a 168 or so. I bet that would be nice

I am not sponsored or endorsed by any disc golf company. I do not work for a disc golf company. I am a person who doesn't have a vested interest in any one company.

That being said... Those new to forums, be wary of alterior motives behind advice you hear... You might want to find out who's cutting their checks before you trust them without a hefty grain of salt.

Just my opinion after reading this particular thread in its entirety.

I am not sponsored or endorsed by any disc golf company. I do not work for a disc golf company. I am a person who doesn't have a vested interest in any one company.

That being said... Those new to forums, be wary of alterior motives behind advice you hear... You might want to find out who's cutting their checks before you trust them without a hefty grain of salt.

Just my opinion after reading this particular thread in its entirety.



There are always political undertones to any communication. Anyway the idea that anyone on this message board is getting enough $ for them to make a serious effort to mislead readers is a bit laughable. Maybe Dave D...but you know what you are getting when the owner of a company speaks about his products. SO...does anyone have any useful info on the flight of this thing?

Alright, so after our weekly $5 doubles round a couple buddies and I took one of the 169 gram test shot champ Destroyers out for a couple dozen throws back and forth in a flat, open, grassy field with only gentle breeze. Initial reactions to hearing "new 12 speed disc" were mostly skeptical especially since the Star Wraith had become quite popular.

Initial reaction to throwing the disc was that it actually is noticeably faster than any Innova model. Meaning, after leaving the hand it maintains its speed through the air more easily and arrives at its destination in less time. It cut especially well through mild headwind despite its low weight.

Beyond the ability to cut through the air, the gyroscopic properties played a huge part in its flight characteristics. It was a nice disc to throw at low weight since the disc has all its mass on the rim and thus has a very high moment of inertia. Once the disc lost its initial thrust it tailed off left quickly (rhbh). (it's possible that at full weight the disc would be slightly less gyroscopic with more plastic in the flight plate)

Released totally flat and almost parallel to the ground (maybe 6-10 feet high) the Destroyer was travelling almost as far as my Wraiths on a high sweeping hyzer-flip S line. This allowed much greater accuracy as I could just rely on the disc not to flip and then hyzer at the same point every time. Plus, at this weight, it was virtually effortless to throw 350 to 375 foot hyzers. Yeah, it's possible a beat spirit could do the same job, but I have never been able to beat a spirit to that point and the feeling of this accuracy and distance was actually pretty thrilling.

I had less success with forcing an S curve by releasing anhyzer because the disc also holds its line very well initially and sometimes I would throw it into the ground and others it would come out early if i left the nose up. So, yes, it is definitely nose angle sensitive.

I would say overall the experience was just like throwing a pretty new champ Teebird (172 gram about) that just happened to fly 25'-50' further with pure speed instead of glide. The disc has excellent and neutral lift when it is at speed but has little to no glide during the slow phase of flight as the disc just folds into a dive at the end of its flight.

I am a new advanced level AM player that can only reach 400' with a slight downhill and I would say that this is the TeeRex I have been waiting for. I should say to remember that this is only the flight of a brand new disc but as it is, this disc easily replaces the TeeRex in my bag and that i can reach hyzer distances that I have never achieved with any other disc.

One of my friends was able to S it quite well on ONE throw and he's pretty sure it was one of his furthest throws on flat ground. Another friend (who throws further than I do) felt it was too overstable and would rather have the disc in (broken in) Star material. I think a run of Pro material would be an awesome disc too. Count me stoked

p.s. my favorite disc is the Wizard :)

Good review. :D

Got t throw one a couple times, very long and overstable to me. I had to throw on an anhyser for it to hold straight. The disc is crazy fast down the line. Could be very useful for long bombing holes and big sidearm. I'm not sure on the touch shots or control factor yet! My impression crazy fast and booming D! ;)

Those new to forums, be wary of alterior motives behind advice you hear... You might want to find out who's cutting their checks before you trust them without a hefty grain of salt.





LMAOROTFF!!!!!!!!!!!

That is one awesome post...thank you for the laugh I needed it!

Is it suitable for the chicken wing?

You could wing this disc.

I threw it today a few times. I throw right-handed sidearm. It is fast and it has a lot of comeback. The disc keeled over and fell out of the sky at the end of it's flight when I threw it. That is to say that when it slowed down it was diving at a steep angle for a good distance off of the line it was on. It makes a good hyzer / anhyzer line. It was much more difficult to get a tight S curve out of it but I finally managed. It was noticably faster than other discs I throw but I did not get additional distance out of it. The rim felt comfortable. I have a 168g disc and I am thinking that I would like one a little heavier. I had some other people try it out who throw RHBH and it sailed out nicely in some beautiful hyzer sweeps. I throw a lot of different drivers and from my initial attempts with the Destroyer I do not think that I will continue with it in favor of learning to throw my Wraith, Surge, Valkyrie, and X-Clones better.

So....faster Wraith? Whats the consensus?

faster yes, but more HSS and much more LSS. like a seasoned spirit

It is not chicken wing compatable there Fancy feet, to big of a lip the way I throw it :DThe destroyer is sweet, play my second round with it the bag and I am enjoying throwing it more and more. I played with Nolan Grider and let him take a rip at the destroyer and boom 580 feet first throw ever. A must have for Innova players! ;)

I am not exactly a power player, but this disc definitely has its place in my bag. It is unbelievably fast out of the hand, goes very straight for a long time and then dives hard and fast. For me, it was exactly what I had hoped the Tee-Rex would be. My non-message board distance with a Wraith is ~350-370' on flat ground. The Destroyer went about 330-340 in my hands. Not quite as long, but far more predictable.

I also found what several others mentioned about this disc as far as a downside--it is VERY sensitive to nose angle. With the slightest bit of nose-up attitude, it will quickly rise and stall. If you throw it, keep it flat.

$150.00 for champion is way too much whats wrong with people!!!! At least 10 of these has sold for over 150, this is stupid come on guys they will be out soon.

The Destroyer is currently available only in the CFR program in Champion and Star plastic.

Discgolfvalues is being kind enough to list these for the US Masters, So Cal Championships and the Sunrise Showdown. Proceeds go to support these events. In this case, DGV is not a retailer, but a valuable So Cal volunteer.

The disc will be available soon in Star plastic to all retailers.

So Cal Championship Destroyers (https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=CE_DST)



Does that include the Ebay Destroyers advertised on DGV but not available there but available on Ebay for 2x or more?

I'm all for CFR discs, as long as the funds raised are actually for the thing they were made for. Does a Destroyer that goes for $50 actually put fifty bones in the pot? I think not.



p.s. This thing truely is off the farking chain. Supurb D and never a chance for me to flip this puppy. I'm just so irked I'll never have another one like it without putting the house up for sale.

$150.00 for champion is way too much whats wrong with people!!!! At least 10 of these has sold for over 150, this is stupid come on guys they will be out soon.

Only two Ebayers are responsible for boosting the price that far (olow123 and blountvillebs). All other bidders dropped off around $50. I am also not sure if the SoCal (small) stamped discs are Pre-Release. I was under the impression that ALL 160 pre-release Destroyers were stamped with the large and ugly US MASTERS rainbow stamp. All the other champ destroyers are CFR - NOT pre-release. Ebay at your own risk!

champion is champion whats the difference cmon who would seriously pay these prices when they will be released soon. As for the fundraiser aspect thats BS how much of that $150 is going to the tourney 10 bucks at the most

if your going to release it do so to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I ordered two Star Destroyers last night. And I'm going to be 100% honest, I think that that is the single best plastic-disc name combo ever. I think I'm going to wipe the stamps and draw some Star Wars stuff on them.

"C-3PO: But Sir. The odds of a basket successfully surviving an attack on an Imperial Star Destroyer are approximately..."

So if I hit an ace, will the basket go kablooey?

I ordered two Star Destroyers last night. And I'm going to be 100% honest, I think that that is the single best plastic-disc name combo ever. I think I'm going to wipe the stamps and draw some Star Wars stuff on them.

"C-3PO: But Sir. The odds of a basket successfully surviving an attack on an Imperial Star Destroyer are approximately..."

So if I hit an ace, will the basket go kablooey?


I've never understood the whole Starwars thing. I've seen so many people with full back tattoos of Darth Vader, Yoda, blah blah blah, etc. But if you do put a SW dye on that disc. Post it, because it looks cool as hell.

Mark is a standup guy, and SoCal tourney life will be happier/better resourced for the bidding-up that occurred. There will be more Destroyers coming soon.

Patience grasshopper...

I am also not sure if the SoCal (small) stamped discs are Pre-Release. I was under the impression that ALL 160 pre-release Destroyers were stamped with the large and ugly US MASTERS rainbow stamp. All the other champ destroyers are CFR - NOT pre-release. Ebay at your own risk!


the ones i got all have the so cal mini stamp and came with the certificate thingy saying that they're 1 of 162. i guess that could have been a crock of poopy, but i'm gonna go with.... you're wrong.

champion is champion whats the difference cmon who would seriously pay these prices when they will be released soon. As for the fundraiser aspect thats BS how much of that $150 is going to the tourney 10 bucks at the most

if your going to release it do so to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If the seller is "Discgolfvalues" then ALL of the money minus expences are going toward the US Masters..........

I do not know this as FACT but I do know that they are the "exclusive" seller of the Masters CFR AND the pre-release Destroyers and Mark is a HUGE supporter of SoCal Disc Golf. :)
What you see on E-Bay are probably "special" ie "1 of a kind stuff that comes with TEST RUNS"

:D

Still ebay at your own risk....... ;)

I just hope the next disc out is the Millennium Falcon (crossing fingers)

Peace
Scott

I just hope the next disc out is the Millennium Falcon (crossing fingers)

Peace
Scott



If a disc with that name is released, I'll give Lucas Inc. less than a week to issue a cease and desist.

I dunno... if Millenium discs releases a Falcon, and never in their own material uses the words back-to-back (the Falcon by Millenium, the Millenium Discs Falcon, etc.) then they might be able to get away with it, and everyone else could just call it the Millenium Falcon.

Same thing goes with these new Innova Discs. As long as Innova isn't using the words next to each other... they should be okay. I wonder if they'll use their usual stamping system with the star plastic, word Star right above Destroyer. Could be room for some cease and desist there, MAYBE.

I remember they were going to release a Hobbit, but couldn't. Didn't that become the Goblin?

the hobbit became the skeeter

I am also not sure if the SoCal (small) stamped discs are Pre-Release. I was under the impression that ALL 160 pre-release Destroyers were stamped with the large and ugly US MASTERS rainbow stamp. All the other champ destroyers are CFR - NOT pre-release. Ebay at your own risk!


the ones i got all have the so cal mini stamp and came with the certificate thingy saying that they're 1 of 162. i guess that could have been a crock of poopy, but i'm gonna go with.... you're wrong.

Well I must apologize in that case. I got a few with the Masters stamp... I wonder why they didn't come with any certificates :confused:

In reply to my previous post, I sent an email to Mark at DGV and here is the rundown of the champ. run of destroyers:

Sorry for any confusion. Here is the rundown on the Destroyer. 354 total Champion Destroyers were produced over a 2 day period when the mold was first being test run. The first 160 made were stamped and "pre-released" for the US Masters event. They were not part of the official Innova CFR program so no CFR forms were offered for those. The second set of 162 Champion Destroyers were stamped for the So-Cal Championships and were offered with the CFR forms. There were 32 stamped with the Japan Open 2008 Kabuki logo and those were taken to Worlds to be sold at the flymart. The rest of the production has been in Star material. So far only the So-Cal Wrightwood event and the proto Star stamp have been printed on these.

Good info ... but another question. Are they all from the first run then? Or were their 160 1st run, 162 second run (I know, it's a silly question) ...
I will guess that all the champions from the first run will be considered "1st run" even if they did/didn't include a CFR form. Right?

the way I took it was that they are all 1st funs, but the Master's stamp were released earlier making them a pre release and the SoCal were a CFR.

maybe?

they were made one after another as part of the same run, so the discs are no different no matter what they're called. they have a different stamp. thats it. the discs themselves are no different other than colors.

Same run of plastic. Different release. 160 pre-release with US Masters stamp. 162 CFR with So-Cal stamp, plus the other 32 for Japan

In other words, dgdave, you are correct
retard for brains - I'm guessing you must have gotten all CFR discs

so what makes them different, exactly? someone said "hey, lets CALL these one thing and these another." yup, that matters.

Um, the stamp makes them different? The pre-release also sold out first. The CFR were sold secondly.
I have a question though... the pre-release were $25 each, how much did the CFR cost?

I think it will make a difference to hard core collectors and maybe the price on ebay

look man... whether they were called pre-release or not, they were released prior to the production run releases (first run), so they're pre-releases. how is that hard to understand? I'm not saying thats what they were "labeled," i'm saying thats what they freaking are. by definition, if something is released early, before the others, it's pre-released. anyone following? if they didn't want people to call them pre-releases then they should have waited to sell them until the first runs were out.

the fact is, the discs were all part of one run, stamped at the same time, and then sold a day or two seperately. i'm sure one was only sold before the other because they needed to keep the money raised from each seperate. seems only natural that the masters discs would be sold first just because of what they are... more popular stamps. and of course the masters stamp disc was sold for more, no one that isn't from cali gives a crap about supporting so cal. not saying no one would support disc golf in other areas, but obviously they would rather buy a local CFR before a so cal CFR. they just want the disc. how could they sell both stamps for the same price knowing that? just a silly question...

and no, i have both discs (i didn't see that you wrote that when i last replied). i just think it's dumb to say that one is more valuble than another based on what someone decided to call them. if the masters stamps end up being worth more, it's probably because of the stamp. perhaps i'm wrong, but we'll never know. i'd just like to assume that everyone isn't as dumb as you'd like them to be (for the purpose of making money). i'm sure just about everyone will know that the discs were made together.

It is dumb, but it is what it is.

It doesnt matter. The Champions wont go down in value, that much, but the Star "Protos" will take a big hit. Doesnt matter much to me, I got a box coming and they are getting buried for a year. Im not paying anymore for them than any other Star disc....makes me happy I got outbid on the black one on Ebay for 60$.

As far as people knowing the difference, dont count on it. People are still under the impression the proto Gators were made at a different time than the factory stamped versions.

You want to see how dumb people are look at ebay right now.


PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
First custom stamped Star Destroyer - 168 gram -$36.00

PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
First custom stamped Star Destroyer - 170 gram -$33.00



PRE-RELEASE Innova Champion DESTROYER Golf Disc
One of the most pronounced color swirls -$154.50

PROTOTYPE Innova STAR material DESTROYER Golf Disc
$154.50

It's the same person bidding them all up high and buying them off. Guy has literally spent thousands already buying Destroyers.

People like that make us low budget guys sick.
I looked and the same guy bought ten of them for a grand total of $1200/10 thats $120 a disc. :confused: So for those of you that wanted one look on ebay and do not rebuy them for the guy that leads most of the auctions. :eek:

Maybe more likely is that he just wants to increase the perceived value of those discs by bidding up his own auctions

Maybe more likely is that he just wants to increase the perceived value of those discs by bidding up his own auctions




Probably. Much like the guy that buys almost all the Champion Whippet-X 's, hes trying to create the market price. He will be able to for the most part, depending on how many people out there will still want these when everyone else gets them.

More and more people are starting to wise up on disc collecting. Its tough to hate on people willing to spend 10x what someone else is for a disc that will become public in a week.

And....its not like this isnt going to help Innova make a killing on these things. Most of the people that sell discs and watch Ebay are probably chomping at the bit to get thiers in the mail and online. In a week, there will be 100+ of these Star proto versions on Ebay and they will start leveling off to around 15-25 bucks. Color swirls and oddities will still attract good money, but again, it will turn out like the Teerex.

I dont think the Champions will fall off that drastically, as most people put the value of a disc at its finishing price. Much like the '01 Red Roc , which now carries a value of roughly 1200-1500$. If the same guy buys enough of them and STARTS them at 125.00, he can just sit back and wait for people to pay that for them....which they will.

idiotic. these are the same discs that are already available in star, and will be available soon in champ for 15$. they will be normal production discs, available by the thousands. no mold or plastic differences.

This kind of ebay activity makes me wonder if this is a scam. I wouldn't put it past people to network and bid up discs they think they can sucker people into playing more for. Paying so much for a new disc just doesn't make sense, especially when they are available to purchase for so much less. If someone is buying for a collection, wouldn't they KNOW that the discs can be purchased for much, much less? I just don't buy it that someone is so stupid to pay those prices for these discs.

I thought the same thing until I looked at who the guy had bought his disc from discgolfvalve. I know them to be standup people.

There has to be some sort of shill bidding going on here, certain selelrs are getting higher prices than others! Check Ramtroll for example.

Wow. Effortless. I usually need to release my 175 Star Wraith on a hyzer and snap it up level to get 410+. With the 175 Star Destroyer I just got? I simply threw it on a hyzer and got a sweeping 400+ feet out of it. I even elevated it a little, usually I need to keep it 5-10 off the ground.

But I do agree with the people stating that anything wider will be too much. This is the absolute limit in terms of my fingers getting around the rim. If it were any wider I'd have some grip issues.

But the disc's flight? It is so fast, and flies so far. I love it.

Awesome. Yeah it's an exciting disc and I think a lot of players are going to enjoy throwing it.

So I've continued throwing my 169 gram champ destroyer and letting everyone at the course have some fun experimenting with it. It has now passed the "new" phase and is broken in somewhat. The less dense (more rubbery feeling) champion plastic is holding up amazingly well. Skips off of concrete result in an abrasion instead of little chits of plastic so it has stayed smooth in the hand.

The flight is now much more rounded so that it will turn over slightly out of the hand when thrown hard and then it tends to hold that line and angle very well until eventually fading out hard when it slows down. With the right height it will hold great anhyzer lines as well while coming out predictably at the end.

Every player that has thrown it, that has decent distance already (maybe 350' with a TeeBird), has been able to achieve new distances with this disc. It does take some getting used to and usually several throws to get the angles just right because it's so nose angle sensitive. The lower power players aren't able to get the same distance benefits but most everyone has, with less effort, attained new personal distance records

I just got a Star first-run destroyer and it was love at first throw. I normally throw my Star TeeRex-X about 450. Once I started getting used to the Destroyer I was gettin close to pushin 500. I think a couple throws I got 500 feet. This disc is truly a 12 speed disc. When you release it and then look for where it is in the air, its way further along than you think, every time. I love how it stays straight for so long and fades hard at the end. This disc very well may replace my TeeRex-X. I've heard a lot of people say that this is just a faster TeeREx, but I think its more like a faster TeeRex-X. What a great disc. If you're a big thrower who loves long distance hyzer shots, this is a MUST have...

EBAY!!!!

click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190138012394&ssPa geName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009)

:D

Sorry fella i never in my life was involved in any shill tactics. i was as shocked as anyone that these were going for so much. as far as olow123 goes ??? he is still bidding up these destroyers. I bought 10 of these from dgv i sold 6 on ebay as you well know, i keep 2 for myself and sold 2 just yesterday to our local pro and who did most of the work for pro am worlds Mark peterson for 25.00(what i paid for it) and a 07 usdgc rancho classic roc. olow has a pdga number at like 2500 (i looked him up as I was curious who he was) so the guy is old and rich i quess. So feel free to bid on my discs i'm legit as it gets :)

Sorry fella i never in my life was involved in any shill tactics. i was as shocked as anyone that these were going for so much. as far as olow123 goes ??? he is still bidding up these destroyers. I bought 10 of these from dgv i sold 6 on ebay as you well know, i keep 2 for myself and sold 2 just yesterday to our local pro and who did most of the work for pro am worlds Mark peterson for 25.00(what i paid for it) and a 07 usdgc rancho classic roc. olow has a pdga number at like 2500 (i looked him up as I was curious who he was) so the guy is old and rich i quess. So feel free to bid on my discs i'm legit as it gets :)




Sounds like Donny Olow from San Diego...........

Hes a REAL good friend of Rhetts /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

And YES he does have a bit of cash....

He must have REALLY wanted them.....

Ill have my Star ones next week.. :D

yup thats who it is Donny Olow .... i like him :D

i kinda figured whoever it was had to be from cali. he's loving those southern california stamps...

I threw a Destroyer today and really liked it. For me, I compare it to the feeling of a Pro Starfire, but with a much wider rim. I only threw it 3 times, but on my last one the Destroyer went about 40 feet further than any of the other discs.

Got the Destroyers on Friday night and hit the football field. These are the Star proto stamped versions, and this isnt message board distances. I took 2, a flat Red one and a poppy top White. The White was really beefy, the Red was similar to the Teerex-X.

To compare them I also took a seasoned Pro Wraith, a seasoned Star Wraith and 2 Pink proto Raging Infernos.

Honestly, I didnt notice much of a difference between the new Destroyer and my seasoned drivers in terms of distance. Obviously, they will perform better when they are used, so keep that in mind. As it was, the RIs outdrove all the others, and I expect the Destroyer to be similar shortly, after I bang if off some trees.

They are very fast discs, and I found it interesting they went about as far as the seasoned drivers right out of the box. On average they went about 40-60 feet past the endzone, which is a real good pull. I was throwing golf shots, not trying for distance. The longest shots I threw were when I rolled it over slightly before releasing, so it was coming out with a smidgen of anhyser.

To me, it was slightly harder to control than the Wraith. It is faster, but I dont think it was any faster than the Raging Infernos I throw. The main difference was that the RI will actually rise on its way down the fairway and slightly flip over before catching. The Destroyer doesnt really rise up, and when I pitched the nose up slightly, it never wanted to flip at all, just hold. When I beat them in, Ill do the same comparison.

Keep in mind, Im throwing RIs made in the best plastic Quest ever produced, and probably wont ever produce again. The Pink protos are the fastest and longest drivers Ive thrown, on the course or in the field.

I liked it though, and plan to throw it some more. I felt pretty much like what everyone is saying on this thread is dead on, with the exception of the distance compared with the seasoned drivers Im using already. When these beat in, we will see if that changes, and Im pretty sure it will.

What weights of Destroyers are you guys throwing? I'm trying to decide whether I need 167g Destroyers because the 175g ones will be overstable for me, or if I need to throw the latter heavier weights because I would easily flip over lighter ones. For the record, I throw a maximum of 375 feet on flat ground. Thanks in advance.

go for the lighter ones unless you play where its really windy. unless you throw 425+ or want a new overstable driver, the lighter ones are very nice

I throw 175 Orcs, and my 170 Destroyers are "almost" too overstable "new" for me to get out there very far (they are great for wind though). I would go with the lighter weight. I don't think you'll be flipping a 167 until it's very, very broken in.

I've thrown these a few times but for me its purely a distance disc. I throw Z and ESP crush for pretty much all my drives and I'd say these are 25-30 feet longer but i'm much more accurate with a crush than I ever could be with these

Your right !!!!

I have a 167 and it's still stable into a headwind !!!!

I have been throwing a slight flex shot with them.

I have a Champion version , 169 grams , and it Flys just like my Champion 11x TeeBird , 174 grams , with more distance !!!!! :D

It's the fastest , farthest , most controllable driver out there now !!!!

Thanks Innova !!!!!

Donny Olow :cool:

want any more? i don't like ebay...

Retards: How much?

I lost mine in the drink during the final 9 at the Kingston Open yesterday :( Thankfully it didn't happen earlier, it was key to my pulling off the win on that long course.

It's an excellent forehand disc. It could replace my Flicks. Similar flight although faster and the plastic feels better. I own about 12 Flicks for backup and practice, so it may take me a while to get 12 Destroyers.

It's an excellent forehand disc. It could replace my Flicks. Similar flight although faster and the plastic feels better. I own about 12 Flicks for backup and practice, so it may take me a while to get 12 Destroyers.




I agree. I throw crappy sidearms, but this disc is overstable enough to correct bad releases, and the speed gives it mad skips.

I actually have a solid forehand, and I will say that it improves distance for good forehands as well. I can throw my Wraith out there a decent distance with a forehand, I feel like I might finally have a 400 foot forehand with a little work with the Destroyer. Big maybe, but it feels like it holds the line for a long long time.

I havent tried to crush a sidearm shot with it though. Ive only used it for them because Im carrying a white star and its REALLY overstable. Its the beefiest driver in my bag.

i'll agree on the forehand. I have been learning it and have had about 330-350 or so distance. I went and played and went 20-30 ft past a 370 foot hole.

mmmmm......beefy.....

I would say how far I threw it forehand but the trolls will come out and say I'm a liar so I won't bother.

Come on how far. I'll buy it out to 500' Cause I have seen 450' with my own eyes (not my arm).

Isn't that guy on double-secret probation?

I did more field testing today. No 500' for me. I'm too old. About 420'. I can still throw a Wraith farther but they are so danged touchy. A Wraith may go left or right when I try to throw that hard but I've never had a disc that I can throw 375' forehand hyzer like a Destroyer. I needs mo' Destroyers.

is the flight plate of the star destroyer really gummy like the champ version? Also, are there any major differences in the flight of the 2 plastics?

I have a 169g Champion and a 172g Star and the Champion is more stable. Big arms will be able to get huge S shots out of both of these. I would say the Star flight plate is not as gummy as the Champion.

is the flight plate of the star destroyer really gummy?



My 175G is.

The Destroyer is the best wide rimmed driver I've thrown. I don't like the touchiness of the Wraith and Teerex, so I thought that the wide rim was responsible. I was wrong. In my limited experience (about 30 drives) the Destroyer performed as I expected almost every time. I was initially surprised that this is not an overstable disc when thrown with any sort of power. I was throwing about 75% with a little hyzer and the disc flipped up but not flat and flew on a nice muted/gliding hyzer line that you do not see out of the Wraith or Teerex. It is more like the faster Teebird that the Teerex was touted as but never lived up to. It is nose angle sensitive, but somehow seems less so than the Wraith and Teerex beacause in all my throws I never totally flipped it nor had it climb and stall. The Destroyer is a great stable partner to my Rogues, but it has not flown as far as them as consistantly yet (too stable for balls out D). The plastic is quite grippy. I generally prefer Discraft, but I will be the first to admit that they do not have any molds that compare to this.

PS: I second David M's observation that it feels like a wide rimmed Predator...

I can't believe how far the Destroyer flies. I can rip into it as hard as I possibly can while releasing it flat and it just flips about ten degrees and holds that angle while flying straight. I was bombing champion wraiths and teerex's to about 500' and the Destroyer was landing 70' deeper every time. It was crazy.

And those were all jump putts only.

i too was amazed by the Star Destroyer. It outflew my Pro Orcs even though there was a left to right tailwind and the Pro Orcs are my prefered disc for D. It is also incredibly fast -- it gets small quick! :eek: :D

normally i don't like discs this stable, but i am liking this disc!
great name too -- wasn't that the name of one of the best Led Zeppelin bootleg LPs(?)

http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/misc/destroyer.jpg

The Destroyer is a bootleg recording from the English rock group Led Zeppelin's performance at Richfield Coliseum, Cleveland, Ohio on April 27, 1977. The soundboard recording is from the first show of two nights at the venue.

This 4-LP (later 3-CD) set is highly sought after by collectors due to the exceptional sound quality throughout the performance. It was the first, and for many years the only, professionally recorded mixing desk tape to escape from the band's possession, and it has since been bootlegged many times on vinyl and CD. Initial vinyl pressings of the bootleg incorrectly credited Seattle, Washington, as the location of this show.

The bootleg should not be confused with an audience recording from the following night in Cleveland, which is also sometimes entitled The Destroyer. Though marred by poor sound quality, some critics consider this second performance better than the more famous first "Destroyer" gig.


[edit] Set List
"The Song Remains The Same"
"Sick Again"
"Nobody's Fault But Mine"
"In My Time of Dying"
"Since I've Been Loving You"
"No Quarter"
"Ten Years Gone"
"The Battle of Evermore"
"Going to California"
"Black Country Woman"
"Bron-Y-Aur Stomp"
"White Summer" / "Black Mountain Side"
"Kashmir"
"Out on the Tiles" / "Moby Dick" ("Over the Top")
Jimmy Page Theremin/Guitar/Effects Solo - "Star Spangled Banner"
"Achilles Last Stand"
"Stairway to Heaven"
"Rock and Roll"
"Trampled Under Foot"

[edit] See also
Led Zeppelin bootleg recordings


wikipedia on Led Zeppelin Destroyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Destroyer_(Led_Zeppelin_bootleg_recording))

my destroyers went at least 300' past the rest of my drives everytime threw them. i messed up the other drives pretty bad, but i'm pretty sure its the disc....

I can't believe how far the Destroyer flies. I can rip into it as hard as I possibly can while releasing it flat and it just flips about ten degrees and holds that angle while flying straight. I was bombing champion wraiths and teerex's to about 500' and the Destroyer was landing 70' deeper every time. It was crazy.

And those were all jump putts only.




LOL. Cant wait for you to come back to Iowa and show off that D.

I just can't wait to get back to Iowa, period. The "showing off of that D" will just be a bonus. It looks like the only time I'll get to Iowa for the rest of the year will be for the Treasure Cove Classic in Council Bluffs. Hopefully some of you east siders and even Western Illinois folk like you Chase, can make it over for that B tier.

I just can't wait to get back to Iowa, period. The "showing off of that D" will just be a bonus. It looks like the only time I'll get to Iowa for the rest of the year will be for the Treasure Cove Classic in Council Bluffs. Hopefully some of you east siders and even Western Illinois folk like you Chase, can make it over for that B tier.




Sorry Bro. Ill be in Hamilton playing for a bunch of added, on a sick course.

anyone notice flight differences in the domey and the not so domey?

I just can't wait to get back to Iowa, period. The "showing off of that D" will just be a bonus. It looks like the only time I'll get to Iowa for the rest of the year will be for the Treasure Cove Classic in Council Bluffs. Hopefully some of you east siders and even Western Illinois folk like you Chase, can make it over for that B tier.




Sorry Bro. Ill be in Hamilton playing for a bunch of added, on a sick course.



Ya, We'll only have $1500 added at the Cove for a one day B teir, I'd go to Hamilton also...

Did I also mention that one round will be on a Mt. Cresent? A course is being designed on a ski resort, but that sounds like no fun, have fun in the Illini State!

anyone notice flight differences in the domey and the not so domey?



Yes!
I loved the champion which were more domey, but the Star is flater and much more difficult to control for me. And it does not seem to get any distance on my wraith and t-rex. It is great on lony hyzers though.

the detroyer definately flips up flat before hyzering. I have to put allot of hyzer on it

I usually throw used Orcs and Wraiths (in Colorado), but on my recent visit to MO, I was turning those discs over pretty easily. I ended up using my 170g Destroyer a lot.
Aced hole#15 at Huckleberry Park in Hannibal MO (335') with the Destroyer. That was fun.

anyone notice flight differences in the domey and the not so domey?



Yes!
I loved the champion which were more domey, but the Star is flater and much more difficult to control for me. And it does not seem to get any distance on my wraith and t-rex. It is great on lony hyzers though.




As I said on the Dave D thread, I have a White 175g. Star that has a poppy top, and its super beefy. It doesnt do much more than a Teerex X. I also have a flatter topped Red Star that is alot faster and more comparable to a fast Pro Wraith.

the hobbit became the skeeter




BZZZZZZZZZTTTT

wrong......the hobbit became the goblin.....as the other poster said
i still have several first runs with the hob and weight on the bottom of the disc......

the skeeter was dave's next effort on his journey to the CRO!!!!
greatest small diameter midrange disc ever!!!

by the way, on the destroyer.....with my tim selinske first run :Ddisc for any of you that played or saw highbridge gold 8....3 throws with the destroyer and i was left with a 200 ft upshot attempt....from someone who's "official wfdf" distance is 428 ft (check the stats from pro worlds) :p and who's throws "EVERYTHING with hyzer" :D

it's a great disc for what it's designed to do.......

the hobbit became the skeeter




BZZZZZZZZZTTTT

wrong......the hobbit became the goblin.....as the other poster said
i still have several first runs with the hob and weight on the bottom of the disc......

the skeeter was dave's next effort on his journey to the CRO!!!!
greatest small diameter midrange disc ever!!!



then why do all my 1 st run skeeters have "HOB" on the bottom? and why are skeeters nothing like the cro?

I have to agree. My first run skeeter says HOB on the bottom.

the hobbit became the skeeter




BZZZZZZZZZTTTT

wrong......the hobbit became the goblin.....as the other poster said
i still have several first runs with the hob and weight on the bottom of the disc......

the skeeter was dave's next effort on his journey to the CRO!!!!
greatest small diameter midrange disc ever!!!



then why do all my 1 st run skeeters have "HOB" on the bottom? and why are skeeters nothing like the cro?


cuz i'm wrong...i was thinking without actually getting up to get the disc.....it was goblin,skeeter


the cro is what dave was working to get to with coyote,goblin skeeter,the other one i can't think of right now....a small diameter roc...that what the cro is and what dave was shooting for.....

sorry about that i'm catching up on reading over 5000 posts since worlds and i've gone nuts reading the same questions from 20 different people :D

www.discgolfvalues.com (http://www.discgolfvalues.com)

:D

Alright. My first competitive round with the Destroyer (weekly singles) I birdie a 425' hole forehand. The crazy thing was I was 25' past the basket. This disc will change my game. Big high hyzers over trees...no problem. This is the disc I'd hoped Innova would make since the Wraith appeared. I love the Wraith for forehand shots but it's so danged touchy. This disc will replace my Flicks unless I use the Flicks for shots under 375'.

If that 'weirdo' was still around he would say theres no way you threw a forehand that far........No way! Impossible!
Good round today, Rich!!!

i saw coda spike anny a destroyer yesterday. into a pond.

It's really fast !!!!! :DSome would even say it's a " Quick-Disc" !!! :D

$354 dollar destroyer you got to be freakin kidding me now that's f ck up! :confused: :mad: ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Innova-Champion-material-DESTROYER-Golf-Disc_W0QQitemZ260153865741QQihZ016QQcategoryZ20851 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Donny's on a shopping spree!!!!!!!

i saw coda spike anny a destroyer yesterday. into a pond.



I believe it. The star turns over big time on an anny.
Woo, you should of held on to those destroyers a little bit longer. :D

he must be loaded or what? Destroyer are better than GOLD I SAY! GOLD. and chris I still have to champs left, a black one and and no pigment clearish one similar to one the one selling for $354 :DClear Gold!!!! ;)

There is a specific reason. And NO , I'm not loaded or do I get Loaded !!!!!

There has been some ebay buyers , deliberately , jackin up the price for me to bid on these Champion Destroyers reasonably.

I would love to get all for under $ 50.00 each , as I'm sure you would too !!!!!

I guess Innova will have to make more soon !!!!!

I think he used the term "loaded" to mean that you have a lot of ca$h.

OK , maybe he should talk to my Brokers ; Citi-Corp Bank , Merrill-Lynch , Smith-Barney , Fidelity , Shearson-Leaman Brothers , ING. , Charles Schwab , etc. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

All these folks Crush the stock market in mutual funds !!!!!

Average rate of return : 22-28 % !!!! ;)

I must thank Donny for buying some of mine that I put on ebay. The money is helping me go to USDGC so Thank you.

You are more than Welcome !!!!

I'm helping my Disc Golf Friends , their Clubs and tournaments , and supporting the Disc Golf community , while I'm helping out others who are less fortunate and helping raise funds for Club Activities.

The folks that know me , know I help and support other Players and their Clubs, Support SoCal Disc Golf , www.sandiegoaces.com (http://www.sandiegoaces.com)
my club and its members and it's tournaments and ventures.

Most is not for me , but for others and to share in their Happiness !!!!! It's pretty Cool to put a Smile on people's faces and to share in the positive experience !!!!!!!

That's part of my Job as a Professional Disc Golfer.

And maybe someday , the folks that I have been able to share with , will continue to share with others and the Sport of Disc Golf. I hope Disc Golf will continue being a way Cool Sport, long after I'm gone and the Positive Experience will still be there if not more so !!!!!!!

Be Cool !!!! :cool:

Thanks as always ,

Donny Olow
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com

Charles Schwab



Can I help you?

That's a great attitude Donny - I hope it's infectuous!!

I have a 168g US Masters stamp Champion Destroyer -- one of only 165 original prototype Champ Destroyers made i believe... (these were the very first Destroyers Mark at discgolfvalues.com sold)

if anyone offers me $200 it's theirs (send me a PM). i am listed on Good Traders thread and accept Paypal :D

I have a 168g US Masters stamp Champion Destroyer -- one of only 165 original prototype Champ Destroyers made i believe... (these were the very first Destroyers Mark at discgolfvalues.com sold)

if anyone offers me $200 it's theirs (send me a PM). i am listed on Good Traders thread and accept Paypal :D



and then rob, you could use that 200 as down payment to buy my japan open champion destroyer which only had 32 made :D

OK , maybe he should talk to my Brokers ; Citi-Corp Bank , Merrill-Lynch , Smith-Barney , Fidelity , Shearson-Leaman Brothers , ING. , Charles Schwab , etc.

All these folks Crush the stock market in mutual funds !!!!!

Average rate of return : 22-28 % !!!!




Wow, you make investing sound easy. I would like to see anything that shows that the average rate of return of mutuals funds at any of those brokerage houses is 22-28%.

That's a great attitude Donny - I hope it's infectuous!!




Agreed. :)

OK , maybe he should talk to my Brokers ; Citi-Corp Bank , Merrill-Lynch , Smith-Barney , Fidelity , Shearson-Leaman Brothers , ING. , Charles Schwab , etc.

All these folks Crush the stock market in mutual funds !!!!!

Average rate of return : 22-28 % !!!!




Wow, you make investing sound easy. I would like to see anything that shows that the average rate of return of mutuals funds at any of those brokerage houses is 22-28%.



True. This year it's been more like 12-15%

I've spent a lot of time working on my backhand this summer, and its starting too pay off! I've always had plenty of D, big turnovers and what-not, but my hyzer was kinda shiesty. I've always had the tendency to roll my wrist through the release, but not anymore. Now I can throw my old star Coyote on a hyzer - and it stands up sooo pretty...anyway...with that being said, here are my thoughts on the Destroyer:

I've found its worked great for big hyzers - or when thrown flat at about 70%, I can get a descent low-cieling golf line out of it. I'm not so sure it can handle a head-wind all that well. This disc can't handle full power rips at anything less than HYZER (20-30 degree dip) before flipping hard - after it flips it flies a lot like a teerex with a slightly quicker fade.

So far they have been wonderful for sidearms, very smooth and wicked fast. If you have ever seen me bomb a sidearm, you know I've got respectable D, and the Destroyer makes it really easy to go 400+.

Charles Schweb



Can I help you?



you and who else?

Great Disc,
I've noticed some are super flat these are way more overstable
seems to be the lighter ones 168-172.
Then the heavier ones I've thrown 175+ are much more domey with a little less high speed stability they have more glide and go farther.Looks like it has something to do with the thickness of the lid?Heavier =thicker lid maybe=more domey??I have seen em go 420+on a hyzer.

James

OK , maybe he should talk to my Brokers ; Citi-Corp Bank , Merrill-Lynch , Smith-Barney , Fidelity , Shearson-Leaman Brothers , ING. , Charles Schwab , etc.

All these folks Crush the stock market in mutual funds !!!!!

Average rate of return : 22-28 % !!!!




Wow, you make investing sound easy. I would like to see anything that shows that the average rate of return of mutuals funds at any of those brokerage houses is 22-28%.



True. This year it's been more like 12-15%



12-15%???

I do that for a living... not happening...
no way. sounds like message board returns.
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There is a specific reason. And NO , I'm not loaded or do I get Loaded !!!!!

There has been some ebay buyers , deliberately , jackin up the price for me to bid on these Champion Destroyers reasonably.

I would love to get all for under $ 50.00 each , as I'm sure you would too !!!!!

I guess Innova will have to make more soon !!!!!



I was talking about the amount of money you may or may not have and it is for sure that people a falsely running up the bids on these discs. But everyone who buys a TFR or CFR are supportting disc golf. My bag is litter with TFR discs and maybe more people should be more like you Donny. But these prices are crazy and leaves the masses out on purchasing a champ destroyer. Innova should make more champ destroyer! :cool:And hopefully they won't sell out in five minutes and $25 bucks sounds about right. :cool:

No Worries !!!! :D

I'll try to get on the " Ask Dave " thread and see what's Up !!!!

Thanks and you are right , the next run should be publicly available to all at a resonable price !!!!

I'm hoping for Clear ones and maybe Glow Plastic !!!!!! :D

why would someone falsely run the price up? also- who are the sellers? if they are TD's or are selling the disc on ebay to benefit a tourney or club, then cool. or are they guys who got some early and then e-bayed them for personal profit. why are they going for so much? sounds like they will be regularly available in star and champion [cfr's are easy to get cheap] was it just the stamps? i guess the next stars will have the regular star stamp and the champs will all have different tourney logos on them. should the star stamped stars go up in value as well after the reg. star stamp comes out? they made thousands w/ the star stamp right?

dave said they made 4 or 5 thousand. 2 runs worth

dave said they made 4 or 5 thousand. 2 runs worth



The first run of Star Destroyers are still in production.

There were at least 4,000 of this first run hot stamped with the Special Champion Star.

Pro Destroyers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave said they will be in production by the end of this year! WHOOHOOOO!

I just can't wait till the destroyers come in champion regular production. I'm just not a big fan of star.

how are these working for thumbers?

Where are/were the CFR Champion Destroyers being sold (besides eBay)?

I thought I read it somewhere but I can't recall.

I just can't wait till the destroyers come in champion regular production. I'm just not a big fan of star.



Word on that!

Where are/were the CFR Champion Destroyers being sold (besides eBay)?

I thought I read it somewhere but I can't recall.



Discgolfvalues was selling them for several events.

The complete list of events that received them:



the Las Vegas Halloween tournaments, So-Cal Championships, Twisted Flyer Open, Lowell Shields 35th Annual Washington State Championships, Ray Antoon and the Washington State series, Chris Himing and the
Australian Championships, Wright Life for Kiss the Sky and Mike Cozzens and the Sandy Point tournament.

Any idea how much the actual price is?

The pre releases were 29.00 each when they originally had them. They didn't last long though.

through a tourny probably 20-25

I think the days of $200 to $400 for a Destroyer are gone if Donny stops buying. I'm thinking $50 to $100 max but I could be wrong.

I think the days of $200 to $400 for a Destroyer are gone if Donny stops buying. I'm thinking $50 to $100 max but I could be wrong.



I really would like to purchase some for under $ 50.00

I would throw those !!!!

I was out-bid yesterday on 4 Champion Destroyers for over $ 300.00 each !!!!! :eek:

Not just me !!!! :D

can you explain why these are going for so much?

anyone throwing these for overhands?

Anybody that spends that much money for a disc is a little
retarded!

Anybody that wants to sell a disc for that much money, is smoking crack!

Just my .02

I bought one from DGV for 28 I think, and it pains me to no end knowing that if I lose it I'd have to dole out at least three times that for a duplicate.

Please, Innova, crank out some soft light champ destroyers and destroy the 'market' that these Ebay dollabill lovin' yahoos created. I'll buy you a cookie.

DUPLICATES WILL BE AVAILABLE READILY! they are gonna keep making the champs for tfr. this fact is what makes me think people are crazy. get a star or wait and find a tfr [soon they will be as easy to get as champ TLs and SLs]. geez--every time a new disc comes out folks freak out and pay way too much to have one right then, instead of waiting a short time till more get in circulation.

My girlfriend is at an event that they are being sold for $50/each retail. Is each event able to sell them at their own retail price?

My girlfriend is at an event that they are being sold for $50/each retail. Is each event able to sell them at their own retail price?



I think as far as CFR/ TFR discs go, you can charge whatever you want past 15-20$. However, all proceeds are supposed to go to the event the disc is fundraised for.

Disc Golf Values has more of the bar and football stamp champion destroyers for sale in the collectable section. Too bad they're $100 a pop.

well you can always go to discgolf VALUES (RARFLOLORF) and pick one up for a cool 99 bucks!

guess where I'm never ordering plastic from again

someone should let quickdisc know so he can save some money

well you can always go to discgolf VALUES (RARFLOLORF) and pick one up for a cool 99 bucks!

guess where I'm never ordering plastic from again




Yeah, Im not pleased with that. I talked to Mark before and after he put those on the web originally, and got bumped with 6 in my cart. He basically said "Tough [censored]", when he couldve just charged me double for having to pull them out of his personal collection. I wouldve totally understood, and might still have bought them.

I dont think Ive bought anything off him since we opened the store anyways, so that also may have something to do with it.

Oh well, Im not overly impressed with this disc anyways, and probably wont be throwing them anymore.

I have a problem with this thing. I keep throwing it about 50' farther than the basket. This thing bombs. It is pretty sick.

I'd agree with that statement I have to throttle back a little otherwise I'm past the basket. hehe

Josh

i like my star destroyers,i have 4 different weights for different situations and wind conditions. i think they are very dependable, i use them for sidearm only and i throw them with confidence. they are more dependable than my star teerexes. i have no problem keeping them in the fairway

everyone please quit hyping the destroyer up so much. everyone and they're grandmother tells me all these crazy things about them. it's just a high speed driver. i'm seriously tired of seeing so many people throwing crazy fast drivers off the tee, especially for technical shots. throw a roc or a tee-bird.

I can throw a Teebird 410 feet. Just because I can doesn't mean I should always try to amp my arm up and do it. I can slow down my arm speed and get a smoother and more accurate 410 with a Destroyer. Why shouldn't I do it?

i'm just extremely tired of people approaching me and basically snubbing me for not throwing a destroyer. it's not that special. the fact that people are making such a huge deal about buying and selling champ and star ones is just stupid. who really cares? sure, i can accept that it's a newer, faster flying disc but people have been so pushy with it lately that i'm ready to buy a stack of champ destroyers and burn them in a pile.

its not like i get out there and throw my destroyer on every hole ,i like my rocs and teebirds too and i dont throw destroyers on technical shots either. im just saying its a good sidearm distance driver.

I was the same way with the wraith. never liked them. At the first tourny I played after their release, I think I was the only player not throwing them. I would step up to a 360-400 ft hole toss my Teebird and usually be within 20 ft of the basket. It would take a while to get there and the guys on my card would ask what I threw and I would say a good ol Teebird and it freaked them out abit because it wasn't a wraith.

All that being said, I really do like the destroyers. the almost have the teebird flight with the extra speed and a stronger finish.

I don't preach them by any means, but I do recommend them to people who have the power for them that haven't tried them yet.

i'm just extremely tired of people approaching me and basically snubbing me for not throwing a destroyer. it's not that special.



You don't throw a destroyer... How do you live with yourself?

i'm just extremely tired of people approaching me and basically snubbing me for not throwing a destroyer.

Way to even things out by posting your grievance on a message board. You get major cred for being too awesome for new plastic.

everyone please quit hyping the destroyer up so much. everyone and they're grandmother tells me all these crazy things about them. it's just a high speed driver. i'm seriously tired of seeing so many people throwing crazy fast drivers off the tee, especially for technical shots. throw a roc or a tee-bird.



Why do you care what other people throw?

I don't think anyone is trying to "over hype" the Destroyer. Hype happens whenever a new product comes out (see Gateway thread, lol) ... and often when there isn't even much to talk about.
I thought the Destroyer might be one such product, what with the release of the Wraith and TeeRex. But this is not the case. The Destroyer is a great product, it's very fast, and very reliable, and IMO worth some hype for awhile.

I agree that a lot of players "should" be throwing Rocs and Teebirds off the tee. Well, welcome to America! Thank God we are free to throw what we want.
Next time you see some newb or weenie arm throwing a Destroyer off the tee when it's not the best disc for him ... Suggest he throw something better for his level of play.

We're not the disc police. ;)

I drive with a Sprinter. You ain't nothing unless you drive a Sprinter. I can drive like 550 with it. MILES. Hot diggity.

Oh yeah, it's an Innova Sprinter. Limited release.

If you don't want to hear about the Destroyer, why are you reading and posting on a thread created solely to talk about that disc?

BTW...Where does the Destroyer fit in with the Wraith/Wraith-X/Teerex/Teerex-x/etc. :p

It fits in by pushing the TeeRex-X out of the bag

i have a justified reason for disliking this frisbee.

before any of these posts were made, i threw a destroyer at sander's ferry park in tennessee. i'm pretty sure that it was hole 16, whatever the case, i threw a really lightweight champ destroyer off the 400 foot hole and went at least 150 long into the LAKE...realizing that this disc cost my friend significantly more than any other disc my he had ever purchased, he claimed that i had done it on purpose and i was forced to hitchhike 65 miles home to bowling green, ky. is that a justified reason for DESPISING it??? where were any of you when i had to ride in the back of that truck with all the pigs and hay? i smelled for weeks and i haven't played since. thanks destroyer, for destroying my life...

disregard the most recent posts made under my name to the forums. coincidentally, i was bored very early this morning before classes and happened to log on and find a bunch of ridiculous posts that i really don't remember having anything to do with. someone has ninja'd my account or something, but i changed the pw. that last bit about throwing into the lake is kind of funny though. i'll leave it. lol.

that's a silly reason. its not the disc's fault. its a crappy friend's fault

I love this new Distance driver from Innova.

Both the Star and Champion versions are Awesome.

Maybe it's just me , but this disc , when thrown right , hauls big time !!!!!

My Thanks to Dave , Tim and All the guys at Innova for making a Very Cool Distance driver !!!!!!

Thanks ,

Donny Olow
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com

I love this new Distance driver from Innova.

Both the Star and Champion versions are Awesome.

Maybe it's just me , but this disc , when thrown right , hauls big time !!!!!

My Thanks to Dave , Tim and All the guys at Innova for making a Very Cool Distance driver !!!!!!

Thanks ,

Donny Olow
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com



Maybe if u didnt buy them all i would be able to throw one!!!! J/k donny i really like this disc i can throw with no effort 470 and max out at endless d with the right wind :cool:

I love this new Distance driver from Innova.

Both the Star and Champion versions are Awesome.

Maybe it's just me , but this disc , when thrown right , hauls big time !!!!!

My Thanks to Dave , Tim and All the guys at Innova for making a Very Cool Distance driver !!!!!!

Thanks ,

Donny Olow
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com



Maybe if u didnt buy them all i would be able to throw one!!!! J/k donny i really like this disc i can throw with no effort 470 and max out at endless d with the right wind :cool:



I'll try not to buy them all !!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I have been outbid on several lately , but still looking for unique and different color blends.

I have also been throwing the Second Run Star versions and they are just as awesome and a bit cheaper in cost !!!! I think you can get them for around $13.00 - $ 16.00 or so.

http://www.dtworld.com/Prototype_Star_Destroyer_p/g101-star.htm

OR :

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=ST_DSTst

OR :

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store/view_product.php?product=ST_DSTR

You may also want to throw the New Pro-Destroyer when it becomes available. I received one in my U.S. Masters player package !!!

It's pretty sweet flying too !!!!!

I can't wait to throw the DX-version when it comes out of production !!!! I'm sure that will be Super Fast as well !!!!!

Thanks,

Big-Time Destroyer Fan,
Donny Olow
www.sandiegoaces.com (http://www.sandiegoaces.com)
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com

:)

Another Destroyer Story,

At 2:35pm on 09/27/2007 I stepped up to the #4 short tee at oak park in Wichita, KS and threw my orange 175 destroyer. Halfway down the fairway i said OHSH*T and just watched it sail into a perfect fade. Then there was a cloud of dust from it hitting the dirt and straight into the basket. The crazy part was that I was leaving the park going to play Valley Center and then some friends pulled up so I stayed and played with them. They are just casuals so no 50to1 from them, but I did get 3 autographs on my destroyer.



Does anybody know of any other aces with a destroyer?

I have a 168g US Masters stamp Champion Destroyer -- one of only 165 original prototype Champ Destroyers made i believe... (these were the very first Destroyers Mark at discgolfvalues.com sold)

if anyone offers me $200 it's theirs (send me a PM). i am listed on Good Traders thread and accept Paypal :D



I am still looking to sell this one of 165 original pre-release proto Champ Destroyers. i am willing to take less if noone offers $200. PM me your best offer. Does anyone out there have a good write-up for this disc that i can use if I put it up on E-Bay? Isn't this probably the Destroyer that has the most value as a collectable since they were the first ones made and there are only 165 of them (some of which have probably been thrown) :eek:

I've thrown mine!!!! Bwhahahahahaha!

There's too many skulls I want to crush on this thread.

i agree. throw the discs and stop trying to get an absurd amount of $ out of someone.
anyone throwing these for overhands? what do you think?

Seen them thrown overhand with great control.

Also makes a fantastic side-arm disc !!!!

I'd get more , but I'm a bit maxed out on my credit cards right now !! :mad::eek: :p

Some folks have a Issue with the wide rim and can't get their fingers on the rim correctly. It helps to get a accurate grip on the disc with a clean release. This disc does fly far when thrown correctly.

Some just want something to hate from what I hear !! :eek: Sorry to hear that.
Oh well , I guess that's their opinion.

You should hear some of the hate mail I have been getting !!!!! :eek: WOW !!!! :eek:

Way to expletive to say here !!!!! :o

I'm just a Big Fan of Killer Innova Plastic. Period.

Thanks ,

SDADGA - Treasurer and Tour Official
Donny Olow
DonnyOtime@yahoo.com

I'm with you, brother. When they release these babies in 150-class, I'll probably be as out-of-control on Ebay as you have been.

Don,

It's horrible the way people treat each other over plastic. You told me some of those hate mail stories you got and it's upsetting.

Here's a guy (Don) that loves disc golf and loves Innova products but when he buys there product with no limit on spending they complain and send hate mail to Don. That is so wrong.

You people need to let it go and move on. Just because you don't have the desire and the funds to do what Don does doesn't mean you have to send hurtful hate mail to him.

Don don't let any of those haters keep you down. YOu're a honest and loyal friend.

I have nothing but the highest respect for you.

Keep on disc'n....

Peace

...and I hope that pile of destroyers is left under a magnifying glass in the sun, along with all the others that are hoarded only to be resold in a few years. I do agree that hate mail is over the top; I'll settle for detached distant loathing. Let's face it- the 1st run destroyer I own would cost a small fortune to replace, thanks to the rampant overbuying and price gouging; and that itself is offensive. I won't buy from some owners now due to these issues.

Thank god for star plastic and frisbeerancher eh?

...and it's really easy to stand up for someone when they buy gobs plastic from you. :o

I don't know Donny and I haven't sold him any plastic (that I know of). It seems to me that most of the discs that were purchased were done so under a fair auction system. He only paid $1 more than the next lowest person bidding for those discs was willing to pay.

Why aren't you more upset at Innova for producing such a small number of discs? Seems like a classic supply and demand issue, not the doing of only one person. The buyers and sellers were only participating in exchanges based on our free market (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market) system. Blaming individuals for an entire system seems random and futile.

Not to mention pointless, if that was the case indeed. No, the fault is shared by many, all in the name of the dollar bill. Donnie is the least offensive in fact; but to lust over that much plastic is not healthy. I mean wow. And the over a dollar thingy? That is standard ebay, period. It's the so-n-so's that bought 5+ at the standard TFR price, then turned around to Ebay the hell out of them. Those fellows right there are the pit of evil and greed, and should not reproduce nor drink before small children or the elderly. So keep your amazing wikipedia referencing ability in check and read between the dollar bill clogged lines.

Anyone want a used first run destroyer for $1,000?

And the over a dollar thingy? That is standard ebay, period. It's the so-n-so's that bought 5+ at the standard TFR price, then turned around to Ebay the hell out of them. Those fellows right there are the pit of evil and greed, and should not reproduce nor drink before small children or the elderly.



You may be missing my point. The standard eBay practice is what kept all of this fair and market driven. The sellers put their discs up for sale in hopes of making profit. The market set the price that would be payed. You are angry at the people who recognized that they had something other people would be willing to pay good money for and taking advantage of that to turn a profit. Greedy? Maybe, but they were only charging prices that the market would pay. That's not taking advantage of anyone. Evil? Not unless they were using the profits gained to fund terrorist plots or something. More than likely they used the profits gained to turn around and buy more discs or enter a tournament or two. That sounds like it's good for disc golf.

Like it or not the dollar bill is what is required to drive this sport to the next level. More people paying money for discs, equipment and courses. More people willing to pay money to watch professional golfers on DVD's or at tournaments. More companies willing to put up money to gain the attention of these people, so that those companies can make more money.

Seeing something like what happened with the first run Destroyer is encouraging. This means there are more people out there willing to put more money into this sport. I'm just hoping that next time this happens the tournament is able to recognize what they have is worth that much money and they can take advantage of the extra profit to put on a better tournament.

And don't think this is coming from someone that's quietly sitting on a pile of Destroyers waiting to try and make more money from them. I didn't learn about them till they were going for hundreds of dollars and I can't buy any at that price. Yeah, I wish I had one for the wall, but I'm not mad at anyone that was lucky enough to get in on it. I think your anger isn't warranted unless your really just angry at not being able to make the same amount of money off of this that they did.

... . So keep your amazing wikipedia referencing ability in check and read between the dollar bill clogged lines.



I include references if they help explain my reasoning and in no way am trying to give offense. Given the age and education of everyone here it seems to me that too much information is better than not enough. That way you don't have to read between any of my lines.

All I've got to say on the this issue is if you were dumb enough to NOT price shop on these discs you deserve to pay $30+ for the same discs that I got for $17 from ZONEDRIVEN and ebay's frisbeerancher. If your not buying from that guy, your paying to much!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah, I love this disc for sidearm. It won't replace my Wraiths and Teerexs but its a welcome addition to my bag.