Registration info can be had at www.SenecaSoiree.com. (http://www.SenecaSoiree.com.)
I will get links up asap.

Lot's of things happening at Seneca this year. To start out - it's our sweet 16!! We've been running professional events at Seneca since 1990, but the Seneca Creek Soiree made it's debut in 1992, so this is the 16th annual.

NEW for this year - we are offering an Advanced Am division for the first time in several years (entry fee $45), but the field is limited to 28 players. Ams can also take the trophy only option and play w/the pros for the same $45 price.

ALSO NEW for this year is THE COURSE!! We are expanding the course from 18 to 27 holes, and are looking to have them playable by the end of April. So the promise I made last year (that the original layout would be no more by this year's Soiree) is coming to fruition.

We will probably be dealing with a lot of natural tees, but the scenery, variety, and difficulty Seneca is known for will all be there. In addition, we are a Marshall Street Qualifier (3 spots will be given away for the MSDGC), and we will also be giving away the MD representative spot for the USDGC.

Come join us!!! You won't be disappointed!!

I will be attending this tournament. Look forward to my first trip out East for disc golf.

How many pro spots are there? Is it going to be 27 holes, 5 per hole? 4 per hole? 18 holes? thanks.

I want to sign up but I didnt want to do it know if I didnt have to.

per craiger on the md bored they are still hashing out these details. no fivesomes is my hope.

Check in the mail today.....can't wait to see the new holes!
SC rocks! :)

I will be there as well. Love playing this course....looking forward to seeing the new holes.

Only a few of the original holes will be left.

all good, still bringin my rolla

all good, still bringin my rolla



I would think you would just TThumber over top of everything. :D

PP (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0236.JPG) in action at the course.

Thanks for the hard work PP

Can anyone tell me a little about the course? I know they are changing and adding some holes and that in the past they have used different pin placements.

Is it open, tight, wooded, long, short, par 3's, 4's, 5's, easy, difficult, fun, dumb?

Any info would be appreciated.

Can anyone tell me a little about the course? I know they are changing and adding some holes and that in the past they have used different pin placements.

Is it open, tight, wooded, long, short, par 3's, 4's, 5's, easy, difficult, fun, dumb?

Any info would be appreciated.



Rolling, rolling, rolling, keep those discs a rolling! This course is a roller’s delight. It plays up and over and around some beautiful hills that are somewhat wooded with disc-eating cedar trees, and the low ceilings often demand rollers off the tee. With both pro and amateur cement tees on each hole, and three different pin positions on almost every hole, there’s a lot of variety at Seneca. The course is also extremely well manicured, with white ropes marking the out-of-bounds jail areas and all along the OB Seneca Creek on the signature hole #11. From the long tee to the 'C' pin position, this hole is easily a pro par four, and I would argue that from long to C, holes #1,5, and 8 also qualify as such, as well as hole#15 from long to B. Given the beautiful terrain and the landscaping of the course, I find Seneca to be simply world class and one of the top courses I’ve ever played.

Thanks for the review Jeff, hope you can join us in April :) There is a trophy only option available if you're interested.

Some things you should know about the new layout. There will probably be an overall reduction in the #of rollers required (or even available) off the tee. Several wooded holes have been added that will be tight and technical (a feature we didn't really have before), and the elevation changes we have always enjoyed are more varied than previously. We are designing for up to 3 tees per hole, and multiple pin placements. In several locations we are reusing existing pins and creating new tee areas - and those holes have the potential for 4 or even 5 pin placements. The tournament probably won't push the pins to their extreme being that no-one will have played them and it'll take forever. Several holes will basically be reversed (think 16-13 backwards) and will change significantly how all the cedar trees come into play on that part of the course. Overall the course will remain extremely challenging - and although we have very few true par 4's, the number of worthy par 3's keeps SC an excellent place to compete.

ANYWAY -PayPal is up so pre-register TODAY!! Pre-registration will cut off 10 days before the event so act fast!! It's our sweet 16 and it's gonna be a good year!

Almost all holes have plenty of options, rolling is just one of them :D

Thanks for the review Jeff, hope you can join us in April :) There is a trophy only option available if you're interested.



I saw that, and appreciate it! I just may take you up on that. :cool:

Paypal sent

Disc Golf Monthly will be at this event taping coverage for July 2007 program.

Clips from the 06 soiree will become available soon on www.discgolfmonthly.com (http://www.discgolfmonthly.com)

Awesome, I want to be on TV....

Awesome, I want to be on TV....



Oh.....you WILL be on TV.

Do you have an ulterior motive for this tournament???

I'm heading out to MD to visit my Sister, figured I'd hit a tournament while I'm there.

I'm heading out to MD to visit my Sister, figured I'd hit a tournament while I'm there.



You won't be disappointed.

I will be at a conference in DC that Thurs - Sun and wanted to know whether someone would be able to drive my husband to and from the course from the nearest metro stop if he signs up to play Masters. We will be willing to pay some in either cash or plastic (discs).

I will be at a conference in DC that Thurs - Sun and wanted to know whether someone would be able to drive my husband to and from the course from the nearest metro stop if he signs up to play Masters. We will be willing to pay some in either cash or plastic (discs).



I'm sure you could find someone Laura. The Shady Grove metro stop (red line) is only about 5 miles and a 10-minute drive from the course.

Joey Mela and I are coming down again. Just sent in the PayPal. Hopefully we can avoid a car accident this time around...

No accidenTT.

Looks like Richy has pulled the Md rep for the USDGC being selected at the Soiree. :(
He has decided to award it to the Nomad turney series overall winner, a self serving sham if you ask me. :confused:

a self serving sham if you ask me. :confused:



self serving? perhaps your vitriol targeted against the nomads of late is a symptom of being denied after your application (i warned you!). what has caused your opinion of the nomads to change since you were denied membership after begging? :confused:

seriously. gimme a break. rich is taking it upon himself to reward the spot based on a series of competition open to everyone. isn't that what qualifying for the usdgc should be? if anything, he deserves praise for his efforts.

grow up, old man.

don't be political, spankwood.

Thanks for the review Jeff, hope you can join us in April :) There is a trophy only option available if you're interested.



I'd like to get this thread back to a positive note by reporting that I have pre-registered. (Although some might beg to differ with that :D)

A half-priced trophy-only option, with a free room (Marriott points) at the TownePlace Suites Gaithersburg, and the awesome Dogfish Head (Rehoboth Beach, DE) satellite pub (http://www.dogfish.com/eats/DFH_Alehouse,_Gaithersburg/2/index.htm) within 400 yards away, (easy stumbling distance to the hotel) it was just too good an offer to pass up! I can think of no better way to spend a day than disc golf at Seneca followed by big beers and dinner at Dogfish Head! :cool:

Paypal sent and hotel reservations made. :cool:

Looks like Richy has pulled the Md rep for the USDGC being selected at the Soiree. :(
He has decided to award it to the Nomad turney series overall winner, a self serving sham if you ask me. :confused:



Fear the power.

Actually, the MD spot was never promised to the soiree this year. i'm sure craig inadvertantly put it there. i have intentionally AVOIDED promising how it would be awarded since i was hoping to figure out a way to do a series as i think it awards it more fairly. if in any way craig feels mislead i am sorry. i only promised it last year. there are several reason why i prefer doing it this way, but that is for another thread. suffice it to say, the soiree will be awesome regardless, and it will also be an msdgc qualifier, which in turn could qualify you for the usdgc. so theoretically the road to rock hill still could run through MD.

if anyone wants to argue about it or berate me for using the spot as i see fit, please feel free to do it elsewhere than this thread, which should be about all the great thngs that will be happening at the soiree!

Thanks for the review Jeff, hope you can join us in April :) There is a trophy only option available if you're interested.



I'd like to get this thread back to a positive note by reporting that I have pre-registered. (Although some might beg to differ with that :D)

A half-priced trophy-only option, with a free room (Marriott points) at the TownePlace Suites Gaithersburg, and the awesome Dogfish Head (Rehoboth Beach, DE) satellite pub (http://www.dogfish.com/eats/DFH_Alehouse,_Gaithersburg/2/index.htm) within 400 yards away, (easy stumbling distance to the hotel) it was just too good an offer to pass up! I can think of no better way to spend a day than disc golf at Seneca followed by big beers and dinner at Dogfish Head! :cool:

Paypal sent and hotel reservations made. :cool:

mmmmmmmmmm 120 MinuTTe

Alright, I'm paypaled up! Can't wait to see the new look!

Check out the awesome full color sponsor disc at www.senecasoiree.com (http://www.senecasoiree.com) - click on the sponsor link - and come dance with the crab!! MD disc golf at its finest. We've got 18 of 27 new holes practically playable. The new 27 is gonna be awesome!!

Pre-register today - we are filling up fast!

Good one Craig > I like it!

MD disc golf at its finest.



Oh, yeah...:D

Is there some top secret place where registration and sponsorship information for the Seneca Soiree is being stowed?

probably, You are the only one who cannot know.

Well at least I didn�t contribute to the secret Swedish paypal account.

This from Craig.

Been out sick, and out busy - so I just learned of our "communication problem". I am working on a solution, and will have information available somewhere very soon. All existing pre-registrations are intact, I will post a current list tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks PaTTy.

Sorry for the delay folks, It seems our web volunteer had personal issues that could not be resolved, so our website is gone.
Online registration can now be found at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/49807977

Please pay no attn to the status of available spots shown, as we have not reconciled the 20something folks that already registered. I will pursue getting the pre-registration link up on this site and updated lists asap.

Current Pre-registration (I am awaiting a more current update from before our website went down, but here's what I've got confirmed)
MPO
Joe Mela
Nick Peters
Andrew Rivers
Mark Osterman
John Gregory
Mike Moser
Brian Schweberger
John Bradway
FPO
Sheila Teves
MPM
Terry Roddy
Dan Becker
Richard Tortone
Wayne Zink
Jerry Gotcher
Joseph Hewlett
MGM
Ray Rogers
Rick Honn
Brady Smith
Mark Sherwood
MA1
David Kiser
Jeff LaGrassa
Alan Sweeton
Mark Humphrey
Larry Pearce

Thanks Craigger, all your efforts are greaTTly appreciated.

The trophy Only option is building, with 5 players registered as MPO and paying half price based on rating.
TO/MPO
Jeff LaGrassa
Nick Peters
Mark Osterman
Sean Burkett
Mike Reed

Please also add George Brown to current registration in the MPM division.

Craig,

Are you running separate Advanced and Trophy Only groups, or is it one and the same? Rich and I were debating how you intend to work this at lunch today, and we're not clear.

The trophy Only option is building, with 5 players registered as MPO and paying half price based on rating.
TO/MPO
Jeff LaGrassa
Nick Peters
Mark Osterman
Sean Burkett
Mike Reed





Thanks Craigger.

What a smart option offered by the PDGA, the TD, and the local club. By offering half-priced entry, they encourage participation from competitors who statistically have a low chance of placing, and increase the odds that tournaments fill to capacity and don't leave empty spots. I get all the perks and benefits of tournament participation, without the despondant 'donator' feeling. Kudos! :cool:

Craig,

Are you running separate Advanced and Trophy Only groups, or is it one and the same? Rich and I were debating how you intend to work this at lunch today, and we're not clear.



Yes we are offering separate divisions. A limited field size MA1 division of 28 players is being offered, and may possibly play a slightly different arrangement of holes than the pro field. The MPO / TO option players will play with the MPO division, wherever they may fall in the field. We are still working on the format, and are wrestling with the 27 holes, daylight, and the best way to get the most golf without killing anybody :)

Craig,

Are you running separate Advanced and Trophy Only groups, or is it one and the same? Rich and I were debating how you intend to work this at lunch today, and we're not clear.



Yes we are offering separate divisions. A limited field size MA1 division of 28 players is being offered, and may possibly play a slightly different arrangement of holes than the pro field. The MPO / TO option players will play with the MPO division, wherever they may fall in the field. We are still working on the format, and are wrestling with the 27 holes, daylight, and the best way to get the most golf without killing anybody :)



The way I understand it is that the Half-Priced Trophy-Only entrants are for all intents and purposes Open competitors. They will be grouped by score and starting hole right alongside all other Open division competitors, just as if they had paid full price. They will receive all tournament amenities (player's pack, free lunch, etc. if that is going to be offered?) just as if they had paid full price.

The only difference is that if by some freak of nature one of these Half-Priced Trophy-Only entrants were to defy overwhelming statistical odds and place in the top 3, they would only win the trophy and nothing else. These Half-Priced Trophy-Only entrants are also exempt from cash if they were to place in the money.

The PDGA, the TD, and the local club are essentially taking the "gambling" aspect out of it by charging only enough to cover tournament expenses, and encouraging participation and a full field from those who want to play with elite golfers but aren't as competitive. Imo, it's the smartest idea in years.

I agree. It's a great idea and I wish it was offered more in the area. At last year's Soiree I played trophy-only (although it wasn't called that, it was advertised as a reduced rate for Ams to play up) and was able to have a great time on a great course and get ratings for my rounds played. I probably would have done it this year, too, were AM1 not being offered. Thank you for offering AM1 though, as that does give me more of an incentive to come play because of A-Tier status, PDGA points, and MADC Series points. (Had AM1 not been offered, I might have opted to play up at Maple Hill in a NEFA points event.)

I am very happy to see that Jeff is going to be coming out to a PDGA event, and I'm pretty sure that directly correlates to there being a trophy-only option. Jeff, I look forward to a couple brews with you at the Dogfish Head pub.

Dog Fish Ale House. YeaH 120 minute

BTW MD USDGC spot is not being awarded at the soiree this year.

BTW MD USDGC spot is not being awarded at the soiree this year.



Thanks for the correction. Edited out.

okay, I just payed via pay pal for my husband to play. I did not see a place to sign up, just pay the money, so I sent an e-mail to Craig. Let me know if I just bought something from oldschool4010 that did not include an entry to this tournament

Hey you could do worse craig has one heck of a disc collection. :cool:

I noticed the fundraiser disc on the other website before it went away and would like to purchase one of those, too.

All the work that was done for the sponsor disc has to be done over due to our loss of web services. When we lost the site, we lost everything on it - and the photos of the disc were stored on the server (and had not yet been accessed by Innova). I've got someone else working on it, and will post when it becomes available.

git er done Craigger

We've got 18 of 27 new holes practically playable. The new 27 is gonna be awesome!!

Pre-register today - we are filling up fast!



What's the latest update on the course, Craig?

there will be course

I will upload some photos of some of the new holes (if I can figure out how) We got approval from the park to cut almost all of what we requested, so the significant work that's been done already will make this next push, really significant. Still quite a bit to do - but the holes that are ready - are all pretty sweet.
We will be playing largely natural tees at the Soiree, with only 1/2 dozen holes guaranteed to be off concrete pads.
Looks like the format we are shooting for goes something like this.
We'll get an early start on Saturday and everyone will play 27 holes. Break for lunch and the pros will set up on 18 holes for another shotgun start. The AM1 division will play a rolling start on the nine holes the pros aren't playing, and filter into their back nine, mixing through the last few groups of finishing pros. A slight delay in starting the AM1 Rnd 2 will help minimize the big end of day backups (we hope). Sunday everyone gets another shot at 27 (from a different set of tees), break for lunch and a final 9 for the top..........TBD. So we're keeping the full 72 holes of play for everybody, and showcasing the top few players at the end of the day. Wow - it's gonna be a lot of golf!!

sounds awesome craig...can't wait...

:D

Wow I don't understand that at all, but I am game!!! :p

Age has that effect sometimes Sharky

I'm fully aware that I'm a mullet, but when I go to senecasoiree.com (I used the link on the first page), I can't find a place to register.

Try: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/49807977

Sorry for the delay folks, It seems our web volunteer had personal issues that could not be resolved, so our website is gone.
Online registration can now be found at http://www.eventbrite.com/event/49807977

Please pay no attn to the status of available spots shown, as we have not reconciled the 20something folks that already registered. I will pursue getting the pre-registration link up on this site and updated lists asap.

Can't wait to see it, will be down a day early to check it out. Not sure if I am camping or getting a hotel room near dogfish! :p

You guys are so literate! Thanks. I'm all ready to go!!!

JG (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_0601.JPG) and company (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0606.JPG) are getting seneca ready. Check out this hole From the tee (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0595.JPG) telephoto view. (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0596.JPG) Timber! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0612.JPG) Plan your strategy now. (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0615.JPG)

Is there a tournament hotel for the Soiree?

Yeah it is the Dogfish Head Ale House

Any chance of a pre-reg list?

I didn't know there was a hotel there, any contact info?

I didn't know there was a hotel there, any contact info?



He was kidding. Many of us will be there a lot over the weekend, so it will only feel like we're staying there. :D

Try the Marriott TownePlace Suites Gaithersburg, which is within walking distance.

I didn't know there was a hotel there, any contact info?



He was kidding. Many of us will be there a lot over the weekend, so it will only feel like we're staying there. :D

Try the Marriott TownePlace Suites Gaithersburg, which is within walking distance.

ahhhhhh, The Mod knows what I am talking about.

I didn't know there was a hotel there, any contact info?



He was kidding. Many of us will be there a lot over the weekend, so it will only feel like we're staying there. :D

Try the Marriott TownePlace Suites Gaithersburg, which is within walking distance.

ahhhhhh, The Mod knows what I am talking about.

Twice, in fact!

He's just practicing his ale order...

He only drinks Liquor beverages

He only drinks Liquor beverages



Me, too....I can't stand that nasty stuff they call BEER. :p

I wonder if the Dogfish has any fine Tequila?

doubt they have any Porfidio

Maybe this would be the ticket .......

Lawnmower Light
Availability: Year-Round, Draft-Only, Limited Distribution


Lawnmower Light is our intro for those who need a little help jumping feet first into the crazy world that is Dogfish Head beer.

It's a starter beer, but it's not dumbed down. Lawnmower is made with quality ingredients and is a great thirst quencher - perfect to enjoy after a day in the sun mowing the lawn (or anything else that gets you hot and bothered)!

Average abv - 4.25%

Calorie content (per 12-ounce serving): approx. 114

Lawnmower Light is available on tap at Dogfish Head Brewings & Eats in

120 is the only way to go...........bout how much time it takes to savor that flavor.

doubt they have any Porfidio



Better chance of finding that at the WVO (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com/) :D

Please note rule #10 in the WV Survival Guide

pre-reg list?

Here is the most current pre-reg list. Things are coming along great on the new course. New baskets have been delivered (but not yet installed). I may have a couple more to add to the list - need to check the mailbox.

Tournament format has been decided. All players will play 27 holes in the morning on Saturday. All pro divisions will play an additional 18 in the afternoon, while the MA1 division will play an additional 9 holes. Sunday everyone will play another 27 holes, and then there will be a cut to a monster final 9. So there is one advantage for the trophy only MPO players - they get to play more golf!!

MPO 2607 Joe Mela
MPO 26037 Nick Peters
MPO 18901 Andrew Rivers
MPO 27693 Mark Osterman*** Needs to pay PDGA dues
MPO 18806 Sean Burkett
MPO 7750 John Gregory
MPO 27172 Thomas Coffin
MPO 5557 Mike Moser
MPO 29531 Mike Reed
MPO 15294 Shawn Breske
MPO 12989 Brian Schweberger
MPO 23797 Derek Sonderfan
MPO 10926 John Bradway
MPO 27936 John Murphy
MPO 10582 John Henry Kane
MPO 24946 Zachary Vaughn
MPO 18242 Don Quattlebaum



FPO 31041 Sheila Teves

MPM 11288 George Brown
MPM 4380 Terry F. Roddy
MPM 27883 Dan Becker
MPM 27315 Richard Tortone
MPM 1288 Wayne Zink
MPM 7956 Jerry Gotcher
MPM 22697 Joseph Hewlett
MPM 12024 Robin Billig
MPM 3396 Jim Myers
MPM 9456 John Biscoe

MGM 4792 Raymond Rodgers
MGM 25403 Rick Honn
MGM 12292 Brady Smith
MGM 14279 Mark Sherwood

I'm really looking forward to showing off the new course. Plan for largely natural tees when choosing your footwear. Please register early, as no registration will be accepted the day of - and online registration will be cut-off a week in advance.

You can register online at eventbrite.com, or mail to me at Craig Gangloff 9800 Hawkins Creamery Rd Damascus, MD 20872. Make checks payable to Cedar Farm Golf Club

MA1 31815 David Kiser
MA1 12616 Jeffrey LaGrassa
MA1 22691 Alan Sweeton
MA1 10829 Mark Humphrey
MA1 25410 Larry Pearce
MA1 31091 Chris Watson
MA1 31525 Jeffrey Hamilton
MA1 30268 Leon Fountain
MA1 7560 Matthew Merod
MA1 30677 Eliot Sanders
MA1 28253 Mike Coulter
MA1 31245 Fred Geist
MA1 25940 Matthew Chipman
MA1 19462 Eric Eichhorst

Shannon Lally, you need to re-register. Your check was not saved when you cancelled the first time.

Craig, I am playing MPO, not MA1. Please make sure I am listed under MPO and not MA1 please. Thank you. :cool:

Thanks Craigger

Sorry Jeff,
Thought I changed that before - taken care of.

Baskets are here, anchors are made - new course coming soon :)

yeaaaaaahhhhh boy

Couple questions, since I'm confused:

MA1 will essentially play 3 rounds of 27? More golf for me, I'm down -- just wondering why.

Are the Trophy Only players with MPO (just trophy only), or are they lumped in with AM?

Thanks, Craigger. This event is going to be awesome.

Are the Trophy Only players with MPO (just trophy only), or are they lumped in with AM?



The way I understand it is that the Half-Priced Trophy-Only entrants are for all intents and purposes Open competitors. They will be grouped by score and starting hole right alongside all other Open division competitors, just as if they had paid full price. They will receive all tournament amenities (player's pack, free lunch, etc. if that is going to be offered?) just as if they had paid full price.

Craig, if this assumption isn't correct please let me know.

-Jeff

You are correct Jeff. The trophy only option competitors will be with the MPO division. It is a half priced option. Your money goes into the MPO purse and the winner gets a trophy. You play the same layout as the MPO division including 18 holes the second round as opposed to 9 for the MA1 division. :cool:Glad i'm playing with the big boys and not for the plastic! WOOOOOO HOOOOOO!

Is it April 28th yet? :D

Glad i'm playing with the big boys and not for the plastic! WOOOOOO HOOOOOO!



me too! just reg'd this AM.

Sweet. You going to stay the whole weekend this time? :D

i bail once at MAAC and i still can't live it down even though i stated before i even registered that i wouldn't be playing sunday. i think you are confusing me with hairfarmer. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=21740&year=2007)

as long as you want to open the smack...
side bet, shawn? you'd think as little as i play seneca and it being your home course that you might have a decent advantage. maybe, maybe not? (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6135#Advanced) :D how many strokes do you want? :eek: :D

You will never touch the Haifarmer. He has it down to an artform. :D

You are clearly the better player. Your rating says so. :D

Don't you know that you never play good at the events you td. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Side bet. Sure. Why not. I'll use the money to buy some polish for my trophy. :D

that's some pretty poor smack talk, shaun. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Uh maybe thats because I am not trying to talk smack. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Here is the most current pre-reg list. Things are coming along great on the new course. New baskets have been delivered (but not yet installed). I may have a couple more to add to the list - need to check the mailbox.



Tournament format has been decided. All players will play 27 holes in the morning on Saturday. All pro divisions will play an additional 18 in the afternoon, while the MA1 division will play an additional 9 holes. Sunday everyone will play another 27 holes, and then there will be a cut to a monster final 9. So there is one advantage for the trophy only MPO players - they get to play more golf!!

MPO 2607 Joe Mela
MPO 26037 Nick Peters
MPO 18901 Andrew Rivers
MPO 27693 Mark Osterman*** Needs to pay PDGA dues
MPO 18806 Sean Burkett
MPO 7750 John Gregory
MPO 27172 Thomas Coffin
MPO 5557 Mike Moser
MPO 29531 Mike Reed
MPO 15294 Shawn Breske
MPO 12989 Brian Schweberger
MPO 23797 Derek Sonderfan
MPO 10926 John Bradway
MPO 27936 John Murphy
MPO 10582 John Henry Kane
MPO 24946 Zachary Vaughn
MPO 18242 Don Quattlebaum



FPO 31041 Sheila Teves

MPM 11288 George Brown
MPM 4380 Terry F. Roddy
MPM 27883 Dan Becker
MPM 27315 Richard Tortone
MPM 1288 Wayne Zink
MPM 7956 Jerry Gotcher
MPM 22697 Joseph Hewlett
MPM 12024 Robin Billig
MPM 3396 Jim Myers
MPM 9456 John Biscoe

MGM 4792 Raymond Rodgers
MGM 25403 Rick Honn
MGM 12292 Brady Smith
MGM 14279 Mark Sherwood

I'm really looking forward to showing off the new course. Plan for largely natural tees when choosing your footwear. Please register early, as no registration will be accepted the day of - and online registration will be cut-off a week in advance.

You can register online at eventbrite.com, or mail to me at Craig Gangloff 9800 Hawkins Creamery Rd Damascus, MD 20872. Make checks payable to Cedar Farm Golf Club

MA1 31815 David Kiser
MA1 12616 Jeffrey LaGrassa
MA1 22691 Alan Sweeton
MA1 10829 Mark Humphrey
MA1 25410 Larry Pearce
MA1 31091 Chris Watson
MA1 31525 Jeffrey Hamilton
MA1 30268 Leon Fountain
MA1 7560 Matthew Merod
MA1 30677 Eliot Sanders
MA1 28253 Mike Coulter
MA1 31245 Fred Geist
MA1 25940 Matthew Chipman
MA1 19462 Eric Eichhorst

Shannon Lally, you need to re-register. Your check was not saved when you cancelled the first time.




Question only additional Nine for the Am's Wouldn't that screw up are player ratings ????

as long as there are sufficient propagators (which it appears there are) they will simply rate them as separate 9 hole rounds i believe.

9 hole rounds don't get rated though. Only 12 and above.

oops, my bad... there is probably also some td voodoo which can be done to make all holes played by that division that day appear as one round- chuck?

might not be a rating for those 9 holes.

Just add the MA1 9 holes Sat afternoon scores to their morning 18 scores and report it as R1 for 27 holes. No ratings for the Monster Final 9.

But our morning round is 27, and then that'd be a 36 hole round. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

That is somthing to take in consider that the AM's are losing a round of ratings. Something like that.

At least the Ams get to play in the event this year.

How close is this tournament to Elkton MD. Thinking about visiting the Mom in Elkton, and coming to the tournament.

Elkton is probably about an hour and a quarter/hour and a half away.

Elkton is probably about an hour and a quarter/hour and a half away.



Assuming you don't hit traffic on I-95 or the beltway around D.C. Which is never a given.

bring it CliZZark, need more Cackalackians at this event.

Traffic shouldn't be too bad on the weekend, especially the (all important) morning drive in .....

bring it CliZZark, need more Cackalackians at this event.




Dirty sheets and I are talking about comming. Mama Dukes lives there so it would be good to go home and visit!

Elkton is probably about an hour and a quarter/hour and a half away.



Assuming you don't hit traffic on I-95 or the beltway around D.C. Which is never a given.



I have to go around DC? from Elkton? Wow I have no Idea where gaithersberg is LOL

Elkton is probably about an hour and a quarter/hour and a half away.



Assuming you don't hit traffic on I-95 or the beltway around D.C. Which is never a given.



I have to go around DC? from Elkton? Wow I have no Idea where gaithersberg is LOL



Ever heard of these?

http://maps.yahoo.com
www.mapquest.com (http://www.mapquest.com)

:D

Come on Jeff help the guy out

Directions (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=hltF3hzNT9tNhURP0HLlhh9UYBmHRqyBceg4Gkon14D8uew Lk7pjHQ%253d%253d&ct=NA&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&1pn=&1a=&1c=elkton&1s=md&1z=&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=&2c=gaithersburg&2s=md&2z=&r=f)

Elkton is probably about an hour and a quarter/hour and a half away.



Assuming you don't hit traffic on I-95 or the beltway around D.C. Which is never a given.



Yes..... LOL...... Thanks. I just looked up directions.

I have to go around DC? from Elkton? Wow I have no Idea where gaithersberg is LOL



Ever heard of these?

http://maps.yahoo.com
www.mapquest.com (http://www.mapquest.com)

:D

Come on Jeff help the guy out

Directions (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&un=m&cl=EN&qq=hltF3hzNT9tNhURP0HLlhh9UYBmHRqyBceg4Gkon14D8uew Lk7pjHQ%253d%253d&ct=NA&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=&1g=&1pl=&1v=&1n=&1pn=&1a=&1c=elkton&1s=md&1z=&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=&2c=gaithersburg&2s=md&2z=&r=f)



thanks! I got it. I miss that northern hopitality!!!! LOL working out the details today to make the trip a GO!

Ignore the last 3 items in those directions. Once you're on West 117/Clopper rd, go about 2 miles and the entrance for the park is on your left.

right on!

I grew up in Maryland but have never played Disc Golf there. Played White Clay In Newark. Thats as close as I have come. Looking forward to Winning In my home state! :D

But our morning round is 27, and then that'd be a 36 hole round.



The only downside of rating a 36-hole round is it's like getting the average rating of 2 rounds, but just counts as 1 round. So, there's little chance this 36-hole round will be either really high or really low rated relative to your current rating. Considering the same is true of 27-hole rounds (less variance in potential round rating versus 18 holes), it's not much different.

maybe they can just add 3 rinky dink holes to the am nine to make it 12 holes. isn't 12 holes the minimum to get rated?

TIKI AT SENECA!

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what's the problem if you play a round that is not rated?

i don't get it.

a lot of folks find the ratings to be a significant part of what you pay for when attending a pdga event.

i'm playing open now, so this instance doesn't bother me personally. but i can see why the ams would want those holes rated. combining the scores with the previous round seems to make the most sense to me.

Will there be a final 9 for the top few Open finishers?

Will there be a final 9 for the top few Open finishers?




Tournament format has been decided. All players will play 27 holes in the morning on Saturday. All pro divisions will play an additional 18 in the afternoon, while the MA1 division will play an additional 9 holes. Sunday everyone will play another 27 holes, and then there will be a cut to a monster final 9. So there is one advantage for the trophy only MPO players - they get to play more golf!!

Now that really doesn't answer my question as the post states "monster final 9". Maybe I don't understand this because I'm not from the East. The word Monster denotes no aggregate number.

To be more clear:
How many will the final 9 hold in the Open division?

agreed, however, the way we interpret it in Texas is 9 monster holes -- essentially meaning 18 holes combined to make nine loooooong holes.
What is the meaning in MD?

agreed, however, the way we interpret it in Texas is 9 monster holes -- essentially meaning 18 holes combined to make nine loooooong holes.
What is the meaning in MD?
With 27 each morning, it sounds like lots of holes already.

agreed, however, the way we interpret it in Texas is 9 monster holes -- essentially meaning 18 holes combined to make nine loooooong holes.
What is the meaning in MD?



i believe the texan interpretation is correct on the nature of the holes- i have no idea however how many players they will let in the final 9, years ago it was something along the lines of top third.

Here are the first pics of what you will be facing at the Soiree.

Hole 1

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole1.jpg

The basket is sitting on B pin. A pin is closer and to the left.

Hole 2

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole2-1.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole2-2.jpg

The basket is sitting on A pin. You go up and over the rise. Pretty much a straight shot. B pin is further back from A pin. There are some cool plans for this hole including making an elevated tee and making elevated baskets so you can see the basket from the tee.

Hole 3

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole3.jpg

The yellow indicates the OB creek. The basket is in B pin. A pin is closer and to the right.

Hole 4

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole4.jpg

There will be OB creek all along the left side. You can reach it with a bad kick. The basket is in A pin. B pin is further behind and to the left of A.

Hole 5

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole5.jpg

The yellow indicates the OB gully that runs through the fairway. It is about 200' to cross it. OB will then extend along the left side of the hole. The red arrow indicates what will probably be the B pin. The basket is sitting on C. A pin will most likely be the existing hole 5 A pin. This hole is a reversal of 5 (for those of you who know the course) that starts on the other side of the gully at the end of the fairway.

I plan on playing the full course with a portable tomorrow. I will try and get shots of every hole for you guys.

thanks, shawn! i may try to join you tomorrow if that's OK.

Please do Pauline! The more the merrier! MattC will be here today at 3:00. Should be fun! We should be out there at 12:00 tomorrow playing the new course.

3? that would give you two ladies plenty of time to get to TNT!

i'll try to be there tomorrow. you talking a round of 27? i'll put up the 1 tag.

I'm in. :cool:

What�s the latest word on when baskets will be switched to the new course layout? Many of us would like to make plans to come down and have a look before the Soiree.

wow, i'm really liking the looks of the new course. I never had a chance to play the old course which from what i hear was so roller friendly, but i know that this course looks awesome. I'll never have any complains about a good woods course, which those pics definately show what looks to be some great woods holes :)

3? that would give you two ladies plenty of time to get to TNT!

i'll try to be there tomorrow. you talking a round of 27? i'll put up the 1 tag.



No Trips for us. Sorry. Matt wants to play as much Seneca as he can. 27 it is. Bring the 1 tag.


What�s the latest word on when baskets will be switched to the new course layout? Many of us would like to make plans to come down and have a look before the Soiree.



Baskets should be in the ground in two weeks.


wow, i'm really liking the looks of the new course. I never had a chance to play the old course which from what i hear was so roller friendly, but i know that this course looks awesome. I'll never have any complains about a good woods course, which those pics definately show what looks to be some great woods holes :)



The original course is great, but there is some redundancy that will not be missed by most. The course did close up quite a bit from when it originally went in the ground. This gave it a reputation as a roller course. You don't HAVE to throw rollers, but it does help to reach some holes for a legit bird.

There is going to be a VERY good variety of shots on the new layout. We will finally have the tight woods holes that we never had before. There will also be some more open shots as well.

I think EVERYONE will be pleased with the changes. This course is going to kick all kinds of [censored]!

Is it April 28th yet? :D

Tight woods?!?! That ain't tight woods!

In any case, I'm diggin' the new look. I enjoyed the old Seneca but options were usually limited to rollers or over the top. I actually see legitimate fairways here, and that makes me happy. Nice work, guys.

is there any chance at all that there will be an updated pre-reg list? either posted in this or on the tour page?

Tight woods?!?! That ain't tight woods!

In any case, I'm diggin' the new look. I enjoyed the old Seneca but options were usually limited to rollers or over the top. I actually see legitimate fairways here, and that makes me happy. Nice work, guys.



Yeah...I have played Wap Wap so I know tight woods holes. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You don't HAVE to roll or go over the top, you just need to be acurate. :D

Thanks to Timber (Tim Beron) here is the new seneca map. (Click the image for magnified view.)
The New Seneca (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/10%20SC%20xport%20040507.jpg)

Sweeet!!! Course looks awesome! Probably a little soon to ask but, Is there a final on the format we'll be playin for each day? Which tees and which pins, # of holes each round?...

Thanks to Timber (Tim Beron) here is the new seneca map. (Click the image for magnified view.)
The New Seneca (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/10%20SC%20xport%20040507.jpg)



Nice map. Nice photos, too.

It appears hole 11 will become hole 14 in the redesign. I'm not sure if I read it on this thread or another board, but I recall someone mentioning that the original hole 11 would be played in "reverse" on the new layout. According to this map, the hole looks to be the original design (or, at least, close to the original design). That's cool because original 11 has always been one of my favorite disc golf holes.

You folks keep up the good work! We can't wait to see the improvements... :)

Hole 11 will play the same direction, I have heard 2 stories on the details, one person said the long tee will be gone, the short tee will become the long tee, another shorter tee will be added and a deeper back postion will be created further along the creek. I have also heard that the deep tee will remain also thus creating a super long deep to deep setting because a longer pin position is being created.

Sharky has most of it right. We have already added a longer pin placement (adds about 80' to the C Pin) with the intention of adding a shorter tee pad closer to the corner for regular play. We may or may not add the tee for the Soiree. The original tees will become the long and longest option, with the A pin being abandoned and the B pin being moved back about 60'. The hole needs to change a bit due to the flow of the new course. New hole 13 plays from near the short tee of 4 to the existing #10 pins. But to get down the hill to the original 11 tees, you would have to cross over the fairway of new hole 6 - so we're routing foot traffic down the path that used to take you up between 11 & 12, which dumps you near the corner near 11 Apin. So adding a tee near the corner makes it so you don't have to walk back down the fairway. It'll still be an excellent hole (maybe even a little meaner :p)
Things are shaping up nicely, the course is planned to be set up in its new configuration next weekend.

Any chance of an updated pre-reg list, Craiger?

Thanks.

Played all 27 in the new setup long to long using 4 temp baskets as needed woo hooo what a blast and a long strange trip! I was relatively proud of my 101. There are sweet holes everywhere! I 3-ed the one after old 11 that took two perfect shots with the avenger ss clear of the stream and a never routine shortish putt. Pat Pitts had the low score with a 93 or 94, Paul came in at 97 then myself and Tom kim at 101. Others shot into the 110's... :DI got a few more pics I will post when I get a chance (by monday). This is going to be a fun and grueling test of golf!!!

By the way it took like 5 hours to play all 27 but we did have to juggle baskets and in the tournament no long to long rounds will be played this year.

the new course is nothing less than spectacular. it will be a loooong day, but seneca is beautiful and i'm certain the cedar farmers will have the setup in tip top shape by the soiree.

http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_0964-1.JPG

I'm loving the pics from this course that have been posted. does anyone else have anymore? I have never played the course and don't think i'm gonna be a shot at playing it before the sat morning before the tournament. i'd love to see more pics.

Any chance of an updated pre-reg list, Craiger?

Thanks.


Here's the latest list - If you're gonna get in - please do so soon. The MA1 field is limited to 28 players, only 7 spots left.

MPO 2607 Joe Mela
MPO 26037 Nick Peters
MPO 18901 Andrew Rivers
MPO 27693 Mark Osterman
MPO 18806 Sean Burkett
MPO 7750 John Gregory
MPO 27172 Thomas Coffin
MPO 5557 Mike Moser
MPO 29531 Mike Reed
MPO 15294 Shawn Breske
MPO 12989 Brian Schweberger
MPO 23797 Derek Sonderfan
MPO 10926 John Bradway
MPO 27936 John Murphy
MPO 10582 John Henry Kane
MPO 24946 Zachary Vaughn
MPO 18242 Don Quattlebaum
MPO 12616 Jeffrey LaGrassa
MPO 11722 Tom Kim
MPO 21954 Paul Lichtinger
MPO 7367 Tony Ellis
MPO 13150 Markus Kallstrom
MPO 23598 Dain Sivak
MPO 22994 Glen Hatfield
MPO 29656 Tim Monigan
MPO 25940 Matthew Chipman



FPO 31041 Sheila Teves
FPO/TO 30759 Lisa Nace





MPM 11288 George Brown
MPM 4380 Terry F. Roddy
MPM 27883 Dan Becker
MPM 27315 Richard Tortone
MPM 1288 Wayne Zink
MPM 7956 Jerry Gotcher
MPM 22697 Joseph Hewlett
MPM 12024 Robin Billig
MPM 3396 Jim Myers
MPM 9456 John Biscoe

MGM 4792 Raymond Rodgers
MGM 25403 Rick Honn
MGM 12292 Brady Smith
MGM 14279 Mark Sherwood
MGM 5410 Tom Transtrum
MGM 14268 Jay Gobrecht


MA1 31815 David Kiser
MA1 22691 Alan Sweeton
MA1 10829 Mark Humphrey
MA1 25410 Larry Pearce
MA1 31091 Chris Watson
MA1 31525 Jeffrey Hamilton
MA1 30268 Leon Fountain
MA1 7560 Matthew Merod
MA1 30677 Eliot Sanders
MA1 28253 Mike Coulter
MA1 31245 Fred Geist
MA1 30756 Kevin Clark
MA1 19462 Eric Eichhorst
MA1 32504 Evan Uhl
MA1 29536 Doug Marinovich
MA1 11864 Brandon Bailey
MA1 32591 Frank Mueller
MA1 11076 Vince Turturici
MA1 7989 Eric Sivak
MA1 PEND Tighe
MA1 32287 Andrew Moss

Mark Osterman, Vince Turturici, and Terry Roddy were not PDGA current last time I checked - you guys be sure to have your cards at check in.

The course is planned to be changed over to the new layout next weekend.

Maybe if i ever move back to NC i'll pop up and play this event again, although it loves to 1-out-of-ca$h-me like no ones business.

add me to that registrant list. i just paypalled :)

if i showed up at the park, would i be able to find the tees and anchors or will i need a guide?????

Don't worry melt we will show you around if you are not good with maps (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/10%20SC%20xport%20040507.jpg) .

Map is printable, it is also posted on the board at the course. Might take a little extra time to make it around by yourself. We will be working on changing the course this weekend, and should have it pretty well marked by then also.
CG

Thanks to Timber (Tim Beron) here is the new seneca map. (Click the image for magnified view.)
The New Seneca (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/10%20SC%20xport%20040507.jpg)



This is a great map!

I will have the opportunity to visit SCSP next week and this map will come in handy while exploring the new layout. :)

Just dropped off my registration in the mail today....count me in.....looking forward to the new seneca and hearing who the browns draft during lunch....

Hopefully they draft better than they have in the past.....

hearing who the browns draft during lunch....



The NFL draft starts at 12 noon and the Browns draft third, which means they will pick around 12:30-12:45 PM. The first round at Seneca starts at 10 AM and will be 27 holes on a course that is brand new to everyone. You're optimistic if you think you'll be done with the first round by 1 PM; it will probably be more like 1:30.

Current Preregistration is now up on the PDGA Tour page.
Any players shown as MA1 that wish to play MPO - Trophy Only, please contact me so I can make the change. the MA1 field is limited to 28 players, currently w/21 registered. This is first come first served, so don't delay if you wish to play!!

Why do you have an MPM Division?

That is somthing to take in consider that the AM's are losing a round of ratings. Something like that.


I think I've figured out a way to get the Ams rounds rated - but it might be a little funky - or it might work out fine. Instead of having the Ams play a round of 27, and then 9 in the afternoon. The Ams could play 2- 18 hole rounds on Saturday - and a 27 on Sunday, While the pros would play 27 - 18 - 27. This might make scoring a little easier - as all the cards wouldn't come in all at once. Any thoughts?

That will work also. But just adding the 27 and 9 hole rounds into one 36 hole round as you originally planned also works from a ratings standpoint.

Jeff, I have to be optimistic....I'm a browns fan....Hope is all I have.

Why do you have an MPM Division?



Uh...Because people play Masters? :confused:

I am printing up a bunch of maps today. They will either be in a box on the sign board, or just stapled to it. The map is pretty good. We have tried our best to make trails that are easily identifiable. The course should be pretty easy to follow after we do the change over this weekend. I am working on next tee arrows that will be attached to the pole under the cage, similar to what Codorus has. I am also working on temporary tee signs.

Can't wait for this weekend! I am so excited it is hard to concentrate on work. Guess that is why I am on here posting. :D

Don't sweat it Sean, the MPM comment is just a jab at me because I am such a vocal opponent of the PDGA divisional structure.
Why offer any divisions right? Because this is the Tier we signed up to run.

I am a year closer to ya Craigger, but like you I wont be playing in the OLD Man's division for til way after 40

Why offer any divisions right? Because this is the Tier we signed up to run.



The Tier level of the event has almost nothing to do with choosing what divisions a TD offers. It limits you as to divisions you can offer if you choose to offer them.

IMO, your arguments about pure and true competition ring very hollow if you do not at least experiment in tournaments to practice what you preach. Even more so since your region has several 1000+ rated masters players.

Happy B'Day Schwebby! You're making a good financial choice to keep cleaning up in MPO for years to come! :D

fo sho, and thanks

Why offer any divisions right? Because this is the Tier we signed up to run.



The Tier level of the event has almost nothing to do with choosing what divisions a TD offers. It limits you as to divisions you can offer if you choose to offer them.

IMO, your arguments about pure and true competition ring very hollow if you do not at least experiment in tournaments to practice what you preach. Even more so since your region has several 1000+ rated masters players.



Maybe you haven't noticed, but Craig runs a tournament every February, the Seneca Faux Leap, and every November, the Seneca Creek Screamer, for the last several years which are ratings-based or some other alternate format. He surely experiments with tournament formats and practices what he preaches.

The traditional PDGA-sanctioned A-tier event that the club has run for more than a decade is not the place to experiment.

2 18s and a 27 sounds good to me, Craiger. So there's one Am's support. I would rather not have to play a 9 hole round personally, plus we then get 3 rated rounds instead of 2. Also, who is the monster final 9 for? Everyone? A certain cut of all divisions? Top 4 in MPO and FPO only? Thanks.

Happy birthday, Schwebby. Looking forward to seeing you up north in a couple weeks. Team Trunk needs some Dogfish Head...

I am a year closer to ya Craigger, but like you I wont be playing in the OLD Man's division for til way after 40



Once I start coming close to his scores, he'll bump to masters to avoid the embarrassment. :D

I see Mr. LaGrassa has responded for me -and correctly also. Yes - I reserve my divisional experiments for the unsanctioned tourneys I run. The one big PDGA event we have each year - honors traditional PDGA divisions. If that makes me a hypocrite - oh well. My practice of playing only in the Open Division is in my mind what keeps my attitude towards true competition intact. I learned long ago that I can't force others to do what I would necessarily like. So I use unsanctioned events to expose people to alternative ideas, and leave the PDGA events as they are.

Fair enough. I had a general inkling that you ran more events than just this A-Tier. I did not do any legwork in trying to figure out the details of your non-sanctioned events.

IMO, you playing in MPO does not keep your attitude intact. If you were a 975 rated player, that might keep it intact since you would have very little chance of cashing at a level to make any money at an A-Tier.

But, whatever. I do not want to polute your thread any more than I have with this topic. Big kudos for you for running this event (and your others). IMO, doing anything (even if you do not consider it your ideal format) is doing the DG community a world of good. I do all the admin stuff (pre-reg, scoring, reports, etc) for 5-6 PDGA events per year and lots of other unsanctioned club events, so I am well aware of what goes into pulling them off.

Is there an answer to the final 9 question yet? Who gets to play?

2 18s and a 27 sounds good to me, Craiger. So there's one Am's support. I would rather not have to play a 9 hole round personally, plus we then get 3 rated rounds instead of 2.




I am game for this too!

Ronnie it's super secret you know...LOL I don't think has decided as of yet :D Hey and Happy Birthday Mr. Cheeseburger :D

same here. Are round ratings are saved.

I continue to be contacted, so I will post this again. To pre-register - please send check made out to Cedar Farm Golf Club to me at Craig Gangloff 9800 Hawkins Creamery Rd Damascus, MD 20872
MPO $90
MPM, MPG, FPO $60
MA1, MPO - T/O $45

The MA1 field is limited to 28 players, 21 currently registered

Format:
Saturday tee time 10:00am
First Round - All players will play 18 holes
Second Round - MA1 will play 18 holes, All pro divisions (including trophy Only) will play 27 holes
Sunday Tee Time 9:30AM
Third Round - All players play 27 holes
Final 9 for Top 8 Open players, Top 4 MPM (only if field is greater than 20 players)

Field Size is limited to 108 total players
Currently registration stands at 77 players, with several folks stating the check is in the mail.

Happy birthday, Schwebby. Looking forward to seeing you up north in a couple weeks. Team Trunk needs some Dogfish Head...

Thanks, mos def on the D F Head.

looking forward to the new seneca and hearing who the browns draft during lunch....



Ronnie, the format has changed: first Round - All players will play 18 holes. Looks like you will get to hear your Browns pick live after all. :cool:

Ronnie it's super secret you know...LOL I don't think has decided as of yet :D Hey and Happy Birthday Mr. Cheeseburger :D

Thanks again Lady

Pre-reg is up to 84. Field Limit is 108
6 spots left in MA1.

PLEASE BE REMINDED - NO REGISTRATION THE DAY OF THE TOURNAMENT.

On line registration closes 4/21.

See above for details on registration by mail.

New course goes in tomorrow :)

Only two players from North Carolina.... :confused:

You'd TThink TThere'd be a beTTer TTurnouTT considering TTheir number of playas.

I guess TThey're all scared....excepTT Schweb & Sheets. :)

there is a Btier at Rennaissance in CharloTTe the same weekend

I still think they're scared... :p

New course is playable, natural tees are going to get messy early. Bring appropriate footwear!! And hope for dry weather :)

MA1 is almost full, any players shown as MA1 that wish to play an extra 9 holes can opt for the MPO - Trophy Only option for no additional cost. Otherwise I will start a waiting list.
Come on VAL!!! Get your money in!! 11 spots left! Leroy!! Sharon!! :)

Here (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/09%20SC%20xport%20041507.jpg) is the latest map. It looks the same to me but timber said corrections have been made. Also he said he will provide hole by hole maps which should be available soon.

OK Folks - almost full!! Val Jenkins where are you? 5 spots left total, only one spot in MA1 (and it may already be gone). Online pre-registration closes today, but can be found at www.eventbrite.com/event/49807977 (http://www.eventbrite.com/event/49807977)

what are each hole distance to the basket. If you dont mind posting it.

JUST SIGNED UP!! Hopefully you can squeeze a couple Jenkins into the tournament!! We'll see ya all there!! :D

craig, you have one more spot... i am not going to be able to make it. rain the last 2 weekends has me too far behind in the gardens. keep my reg as sponsorship- save me one of those cool MD discs if possible- thanks!

Hey T-squared, hope we get to play together!

Thanks for the message John - and the kind donation for sponsorship!! I will definitely pull you one of the full color discs.

OK Folks - one spot left. We're up to 107, taking the biscoe cancellation into account. Online registration closes today (not sure if it's actually still accessible or not). SO if you want in - it's gonna most likely come down to postmarks.
I will post any waiting list action here as it develops.
Craiger

Hey T-squared, hope we get to play together!



Only if you shoot well enough ;)

Hey T-squared, hope we get to play together!



Only if you shoot well enough ;)


I was figuring you could keep up with me at least until the first round got under way! After that I'll have to keep rubbing my neck from looking back to see where you are at!

:eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Here are some photos with the actual baskets in the ground. Front 9 for now. I will get the middle and back 9 this week/weekend.

Hole 1
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole1-1.jpg

Hole 2
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole2-1-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole2-2-1.jpg
I bagged the first ace on this hole last night at doubles (Red to A). I aced last week as well. :cool:Gary Hall bagged the courses first ace on Saturday with a sidearm skip ace on hole 17. Red to B.

Hole 3
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole3-1.jpg
There is an OB creek/gully that runs along the whole left side of the fairway and wraps around behind the pin.

Hole 4
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole4-1.jpg
There is an OB creek all along the left side of the fairway.

Hole 5
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole5-1.jpg
Thers is an OB creek that runs along the whole left side of the fairway. There is an OB gully that bisects the fairway in front of the first manhole. This is old hole 5 in reverse from across the gully.

Hole 6
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole6.jpg

Hole 7
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole7.jpg
For those who are familiar with the old course, this is old hole 12. It plays the same but changes to #7.

Hole 8
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole8.jpg

Hole 9
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/Senecahole9.jpg
For those of you familiar with the old course, this is old hole 7. It plays the same but changes to #9.

nice job, shawn. thanks!

Thanks for the pictures.....looking good! Is there a regular Wednesday weekly at Seneca? Will there be dubs on friday before the tourney?

Hopefully, I'll bring some sun and dry weather from Cali with my return.

Kudos to the Cedar Farm Golf Club and anyone else involved in building the new disc golf course at Seneca Creek State Park. Yesterday, I had the opportunity to play the new 27-hole layout. The redesign is much more diverse than the original 18-hole course established in 1990. Overall, the mix of righty/lefty holes is fairly balanced and no golfer will find a lack of shot variety on the new layout. It was obvious to me that a TON of volunteer labor has already been put into the project and knowing the Seneca club, this will be an ongoing project for the next couple of years. When it's all said and done, this course is going to be fantastic!

The pictures are awesome. I'm liking the wooded look that's being added to Seneca. Any chance of hole distances and pars?

The pictures are awesome. I'm liking the wooded look that's being added to Seneca. Any chance of hole distances and pars?



As usual, photos do not do it justice. Just wait until you see this place in person... :)

I do not know if hole lengths have been measured or par either.

I do not know if hole lengths have been measured or par either.




Thanks Sharky I was asking this question awhile ago.

wow those pics are great. i'm really looking forward to traveling up north with schweb for this tournament. Gotta love good woods courses :)

Yeah, Now that looks like a great woods course, instead of a phenominal rolling course. The Old course will be missed, but it looks like the new one will be a welcome addition.

imo -
new seneca > old seneca
and once the teepads are in place it'll be even better

i'll try and take some pics of the other 18 holes when I go tomorrow afternoon

tanks Will

never got the chance to play the old layout, but from the looks of the new layout, I can't wait to get down and play it next weekend!

Looks GREAT!!!

Is there a regular Wednesday weekly at Seneca? Will there be dubs on friday before the tourney?



Nick, I run Wednesday Night Doubles every week during DST. There will not be an organized doubles event Friday, but I am sure there will be plenty of people out playing the course (especially the traveling folks) that could get something together.


Any chance of hole distances and pars?



Sorry Alan, Timber has measured the holes and is going to work on individual hole maps with distances. He is quite busy with his new Laurel Hills project however, so I don't know when he will be able to get them to me.


Yeah, Now that looks like a great woods course, instead of a phenominal rolling course. The Old course will be missed, but it looks like the new one will be a welcome addition.



You are quite right my thumber slinging friend. We now have some great woods holes and you have not even seen all of them yet, but don't fret, there still be rollers out there. ;) I will be out tomorrow to get pics of the other 18. :cool:

Thanks Sean

Thanks Sean



2nd...can't wait to see the rest of the holes!

No problemo! I will actually be out there today afterall. Should have pics up tonight or tomorrow AM. Can't wait to see you bomb a thumber on some of these new holes! :cool:

We will be out on Saturday cleaning, running OB line and building a bridge across the gully on 5. The course will still be a little rough at the soiree, but it will look pretty sweet.

Is it the 28th yet? :D

So considering the field that's gonna be there next weekend...what are you predicting will be hot scores and solid scores in the Open division??

:D:D:D:DYeah........................Boyeeeeeee!

So considering the field that's gonna be there next weekend...what are you predicting will be hot scores and solid scores in the Open division??



ive only played one round and from the long tees (im not sure what pin position all the holes were in, kind of a mix) but i would say right around 81 is a pretty decent score for a pro........i'll have a better idea after i play tomorrow.

Hard to tell at this point. I have only played the entire 27 once long to (mostly) long with practice baskets the week before we put the baskets in the ground.

An 84 and 83 were shot by Ian Liddell (981) and Gary Hall (not rated but I hear he is an excelent playa AND he bagged the new courses first ace with a sidearm flick shot) respectively. They were playing mixed tees. The pins are mixed right now too.

I am not sure what Craiger has in store for the rounds as far as tees and pins go. I would say a hoTT round from long to long would be in the 70's. Decent round would be low 80's.

Mr Pee Pee time up there and his partner shot a 47 last night at doubles. We only played 18 from the reds. Holes 1-9 and holes 19-27. Ross Pancaost (972) and Tom Kim (988) shot a 47 as well. The next closest were two teams at 52.

I, like Will, need to play some more to get a better feel. We have only had the course in the ground for 6 days now. ;)

Nice :) I'm just trying to get a feel of what my goals for what I want to shoot next weekend are going to be.

Your goal should be to shoot better than everyone else ;)

your goal should be to throw straight :)

I am in trouble, I cant throw straight

your goal should be to throw straight :)



excellent then i'm really liking my chances. i can generally hold my own in the "throwing straight" catagory ;)

JUST SIGNED UP!! Hopefully you can squeeze a couple Jenkins into the tournament!! We'll see ya all there!! :D



any chance of brother Avery being one of the couple of Jenkins?

Kev-

Sorry Kev, All the Jenkins except Avery.

i hear some young killa named erik smith will be there. i dont know him personally, but i hear he'll tear up the woods and his prowess is immaculate. anyway theres also like 10 1000 raters that will put on a good show. though the lower of the 1000 rated, i have my money on a gentleman by the name of John Jizzle G Gregory the John. or JG

immaculate prowess ay? Sounds like that guy should be a ***** star

Here are the other 18 minus hole 11. I forgot that one. :oFor those that know the old course, it is old hole 2. It is played the same, just becomes hole 11. Most are taken from the red tees. Some are from the white.

Hole 10

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole10.jpg

For those that know the old course, this is old hole 1. It plays the same, just becomes hole 10.

Hole 12

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole12-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole12-2.jpg

Hole 13

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole13-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole13-2.jpg

Hole 14

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole14.jpg

For those that know the old course, this is old hole 11. It plays the same, just becomes 14. OB carries the whole left side of the fairway. The old long tee becomes the blue (LOOOOONG) tee, the old short tee becomes the white tee and this picture is of the red tee. The old C pin becomes B and about 60'-70' past old C is the new C. This will be a beast long to long. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 630'-640'. :cool:

Hole 15

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole15.jpg

You can see that the OB creek bends in front of the white tee here and carries the whole left side of the fairway. This is one of my favorites so far and fast becoming others as well. Of course, hole 2 will always be MY hole. :DI think I will have to adopt that one. :cool:

Hole 16

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole16.jpg

Hole 17

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole17.jpg

First ace of the new course. Hours after the baskets went into the ground.

Hole 18

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole18-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole18-2.jpg

For those that know the old course, this is old hole 17. It plays the same, just becomes 18.

Hole 19

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole19.jpg

Hole 20

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole20.jpg

Hole 21

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole21-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole21-2.jpg

Hole 22

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole22-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole22-2.jpg

Hole 23

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole23-1.jpg
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole23-2.jpg

Hole 24

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole24.jpg

Hole 25

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole25.jpg

Hole 26

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole26.jpg

Hole 27

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p213/kakiharaichi/SenecaHole27.jpg

Still lots of work to be done before the Soiree. We will be out tomorrow starting at 9:00 AM going until...ANY and ALL help is GREATLY appreciated. We need to build a bridge, string OB line, limb up some fairways, drag brush and other small tasks.

I say hole 17 . where is the fairway.lol man that is super tight.

Hole 16 looks niiiccce and tight. :D :p

I will be there to play practice rounds on Thursday and Friday morning. Coming in from Michigan, I have never been out east to play. Should be a fun tournament as Bowling Green certainly was last week.

ZV tear it up. Show dem east siders how MI does it

and get some $$$.

i hear some young killa named erik smith will be there.



I hear that guy's a bagger. :D

But it's always a good bet with bettin' on PAPA STICK!

I say hole 17 . where is the fairway.lol man that is super tight.



There is deffinatly a fairway there Leon. That shot is from the red tee and you have two gaps you can hit on either side of the tree directly in front of the tee. It is tight, but the fairway is there. THROW STRAIGHT! :D


Hole 16 looks niiiccce and tight. :D :p



Correct you are Alan. It is tight, you have to throw it straight and then get it to fade just before the cedar. No problem. I only took a 5 on it yesterday. :D

Looks like it may be a little sloppy next weekend. I am investing in some cleats today. ;)

You should see it from the white tees, that tight gap is a ways down from that tee.

wow thanks to all who put in the time to get up pics of all those holes. the course looks phenomenal!! my only question now is how many holes do you think that having a roller off the tee will seriously help your odds?? trying to figure out how much i need to practice my roller during this week ;)

I say hole 17 . where is the fairway.lol man that is super tight.

It's just a thumber

wow thanks to all who put in the time to get up pics of all those holes. the course looks phenomenal!! my only question now is how many holes do you think that having a roller off the tee will seriously help your odds?? trying to figure out how much i need to practice my roller during this week ;)

never hurts to practice iTT

this is very true, made it out to cedar's baseball field yesterday to do just that and i'm going to work on it some more during this week when i actually have time to play :)

is there a waiting list?

Here's the waiting list

Mike Matthews
Chase Rivera
Karlton Taylor
Mark Boyce
And I've heard from Robzilla and Brian Skinner also

my only question now is how many holes do you think that having a roller off the tee will seriously help your odds??



if your roller sucks, I wouldn't suggest throwing it on any holes............if it's decent then you could benefit on about 5+ holes.

i've played 4 rounds from the longs and my best score was an 83.........I felt pretty good about it that one (the pins were mixed).