of the sport completely. I'm just tired of everything.

Rant over.

How many threads about this do you need?

lettuce know how we can help

Drive him out?

MTL
I feel for you I too dislike many things about the PDGA and if it weren't for the one tournament (the Memorial) that i have to be a member for I wouldn't even be a member, and as far as the Discussion board goes it does have some useful info but for the most part it has turned into a place for poeple to post thier trash that has little to nothing to do with disc golf.

it's just frustrating not being apprecitated for anything and then seeing who people look up to in this game and the reason why.

Welcome to America, MTL.

You'll get over it, everyone does.

it's just frustrating not being apprecitated for anything and then seeing who people look up to in this game and the reason why.




welcome to the life of a club president or a TD.

of the sport completely. I'm just tired of everything.

Rant over.


I feel ya, brutha.

it's just frustrating not being apprecitated for anything and then seeing who people look up to in this game and the reason why.



welcome to the life of a club president or a TD.



Welcome to the life of a disc golf volunteer.

I volunteered for years to several local clubs, and even after many significant years of service, I was treated as if I had never lifted a finger in my life to help out.

That can't be as bad as when I 1st started volunteering with Habitat for Humanity, building houses. The second day I was there, we were putting the roof up and I saw the woman for whom which we were building the house make a drug deal right down the street.

What kind of appreciation are you looking for?

People complain and show displeasure far more than they thank and show appreciation. I learned a long time a go that you have to volunteer out of love and expect nothing in return. Seldomly do people think about all the work and hours that go into events, clubs and organizations

Does it really matter what others think? If compliments and pats on the back are something you are looking for, I think you are in the wrong sport and organization.

The second day I was there, we were putting the roof up and I saw the woman for whom which we were building the house make a drug deal right down the street.



at least we wouldn't have anything like that happen in our sport.

*end sarcasm*

The second day I was there, we were putting the roof up and I saw the woman for whom which we were building the house make a drug deal right down the street.



at least we wouldn't have anything like that happen in our sport.

*end sarcasm*



Hey now, I've never seen a drug deal go down on a disc golf course while putting up a roof :p

MTL, lemme ask you a question. Why do you play disc golf? Why do you want to volunteer/help promote/TD/etc?

What kind of appreciation are you looking for?

People complain and show displeasure far more than they thank and show appreciation. I learned a long time a go that you have to volunteer out of love and expect nothing in return. Seldomly do people think about all the work and hours that go into events, clubs and organizations

Does it really matter what others think? If compliments and pats on the back are something you are looking for, I think you are in the wrong sport and organization.



This is fully understood. I've always volunteered merely for my own sense of satisfaction - I know I bring skills and enthusiasm to the table that makes the event, the course, the league, the club, etc. better than without me. I don't do it looking for the accolades from others.

But when people seemingly don't 'remember' the considerable time and effort you've donated, act like you've never done a thing, shoot down your every idea and treat you like garbage, that's where you tend to just throw your hands up in the air and say "Okay, let's see you do it without me."

What kind of appreciation are you looking for?

People complain and show displeasure far more than they thank and show appreciation. I learned a long time a go that you have to volunteer out of love and expect nothing in return. Seldomly do people think about all the work and hours that go into events, clubs and organizations

Does it really matter what others think? If compliments and pats on the back are something you are looking for, I think you are in the wrong sport and organization.



I appreciate your comments. I totally agree with everything you said.

All the things I do for this game never get appreciated. I'm ok with that. In fact, I feel the only way I will ever get to the level where people see how important I am is by just not doing anything and people seeing what they are missing. However, that is not fair to everyone.

I'm more or less talking about the people who constantly complain about things, or those who choose to use drugs or make comments about drugs in / around / during / after / before rounds. Hours and hours of work can be ruined by one persons selfish actions.

It's not that I need every single person to come up and tell me thanks for what I do, I need people to say to those who don't do anything to do things referenced above that they do not appreciate the way they are ruining the sport for all of us.

MTL, lemme ask you a question. Why do you play disc golf? Why do you want to volunteer/help promote/TD/etc?



Sure!

I play disc golf as a way to release from life. I play b/c I love competition and I'm not athletic enough to compete on this level at other sports. I play because it is fun.

The reason I want to help (without getting into anything too personal) is b/c this game saved my life. If me running a tournament or helping at a tournament will make someone else enjoy thier experience more, then I'm all for it.

People doing actions I referenced above sends the sport down and could eventually prevent someone from finding the sport due to selfish decisions.

What kind of appreciation are you looking for?

People complain and show displeasure far more than they thank and show appreciation. I learned a long time a go that you have to volunteer out of love and expect nothing in return. Seldomly do people think about all the work and hours that go into events, clubs and organizations

Does it really matter what others think? If compliments and pats on the back are something you are looking for, I think you are in the wrong sport and organization.



Sad but true.

But when people seemingly don't 'remember' the considerable time and effort you've donated, act like you've never done a thing, shoot down your every idea and treat you like garbage, that's where you tend to just throw your hands up in the air and say "Okay, let's see you do it without me."



Preach on. Add to that being at the butt of every single joke and you pretty much got the way I feel.

MTL, lemme ask you a question. Why do you play disc golf? Why do you want to volunteer/help promote/TD/etc?



Sure!

I play disc golf as a way to release from life. I play b/c I love competition and I'm not athletic enough to compete on this level at other sports. I play because it is fun.

The reason I want to help (without getting into anything too personal) is b/c this game saved my life. If me running a tournament or helping at a tournament will make someone else enjoy thier experience more, then I'm all for it.

People doing actions I referenced above sends the sport down and could eventually prevent someone from finding the sport due to selfish decisions.


Then why are you bummed? Have you failed? I doubt it!
If you feel people are ruining what you are trying to do, then you just have to work harder to counteract it.
Sometimes people who do things out of selflessness have to put on blinders. The real world is #$*&$! up and even if you try to do what's right and what's good, people will ALWAYS stand in your way. You have 2 options.....either go around them, or knock them out of your way. While I prefer the second way, I'm sure you'll take the 1st. Sometimes when you ignore people and go around, you get hit in the back of the head. (this is all metaphorical, of course) When people see weakness, they attack it. Are you weak? No, so ignore them.
Lead by example, and others will follow.

Unfortunately drug use ( mary jane ) is big problem in Disc golf at least here in calif. it is, i was playing a tournament a couple of weeks ago and during a lunch break this guy went to his car to get his head in the game as he put it.After he came back he couldn't even remember how many times he'd thrown his disc, it's sad that people can't put the pipe down long enough to play in a tournament.It's even sadder that these same poeple don't see / care that drug use is giving disc golf a bad name.

Great advice!

very well said.

People like me are seen as the bad guy yet the people who are ruining the sport due to addictions are seen as the cool guys.

Maybe one day disc golfers will grop up and lose thier selfish attitudes. I just hope that these people who choose to ruin the sport b/c these attitudes realize that they are destroying the people like me who run the tournaments they play in.

I'm more or less talking about the people who constantly complain about things, or those who choose to use drugs or make comments about drugs in / around / during / after / before rounds. Hours and hours of work can be ruined by one persons selfish actions.





You forgot to mention dudes who pull their pants down in front of you at the course.

Now go screw people on high-interest loans! ;)

I'm more or less talking about the people who constantly complain about things, or those who choose to use drugs or make comments about drugs in / around / during / after / before rounds. Hours and hours of work can be ruined by one persons selfish actions.





You forgot to mention dudes who pull their pants down in front of you at the course.



One of the many examples of selfish actions rather than thinking of the sport as a whole.

You forgot to mention dudes who pull their pants down in front of you at the course.


That's why you should always carry a tazer to the course with you. I guarantee 50,000 volts to the #$*&$! will make someone think twice about mooning you ever again.

Now go screw people on high-interest loans! ;)



our loan rates are the best in the State of NC. There was an article in a local paper about that....back on subject now...

Hey man don't give up on us now, MTL. Believe it or not this sport needs more people like you.

Atleast people don't talk about you like they do Nick Kight. :o

Hey man don't give up on us now, MTL. Believe it or not this sport needs more people like you.




Trust me I know. It's just tough. I know most of the things said about me are done jokeingly and I know that my extroverted personality is why they are said, but even I can't take it anymore. I did this as a last ditch effor before I totally crack and explode.

Go to the course and give a little girl a disc and show her how to play. Think about how, in 5, 10, 15 years she could be the next world champ. That's why everytime I see a little kid playing, or looking at me in wonderment, I give them a disc.
I promise you'll feel better after that.

Trust me when I say that I have done things like this.

MTL you need to do what makes you HAPPY and not anyone else. peace BRO

Not to far off subject but your pic M_T_L is in Missouri, right?

I believe I just drove past that exit a few days ago...

yup!

How does the serenity prayer go? Serenity to accept, courage to change, and wisdom to know the difference...

How does the serenity prayer go? Serenity to accept, courage to change, and wisdom to know the difference...


Or the short version: Eff It!

Trust me I know. It's just tough. I know most of the things said about me are done jokeingly and I know that my extroverted personality is why they are said, but even I can't take it anymore. I did this as a last ditch effor before I totally crack and explode.

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Just let me know via PM which tourney your gonna bring the assault rifle to and I'll stay at the house. :D

Serenity Now...Insanity Later!

That episode was on last night.

I'm just tired of helping a sport that doesn't want to help itself.

That's the most important time to help.
It's easy to be a good, happy-go-lucky person when things are going great. It's tough times and adversity that we face that define who we are. Will you face adversity, or will it consume you and make you quit? Quitting is easy, perserverence in the face of adversity for what you believe in is tough. No one will blame you if you quit and I doubt anyone will think less of you. But when you are at home, by yourself, how will you look at yourself?
Everyone faces this scenario at some point in their lives, some more often than others. Only you can decide what is right for you. Good luck with your decision.

Just imagine me out there busting me arse for a tournament for weeks on end like I have on many occasions, doing all kinds of work during the tournament to make sure it is ran a little smoother.

Then, one selifish moron decides to get high in the parking lot and is seen by local media or park police. Now, all of the sudden, the work I have done and everyone has done is in vain. All the people who are there for true competition and having fun lose that chance to do so.

Until the PDGA and local clubs step up and starts policing the drug issue, this sport will never make it to the next level.

Just imagine me out there busting me arse for a tournament for weeks on end like I have on many occasions, doing all kinds of work during the tournament to make sure it is ran a little smoother.

Then, one selifish moron decides to get high in the parking lot and is seen by local media or park police. Now, all of the sudden, the work I have done and everyone has done is in vain. All the people who are there for true competition and having fun lose that chance to do so.

Until the PDGA and local clubs step up and starts policing the drug issue, this sport will never make it to the next level.



There will always be stupid people, but that does not make it all in vain. I'm not really interested in getting too much into the drug issue other than noticing that the bigger and more involved the disc golf event, the less I've noticed drug BS going on, in my experience. I hope that as our events become bigger and more public, this will be less an issue. Some people will get busted, some will use better judgement, but overall I am optimistic about this issue and the growth of the sport.

The PDGA will never do that.

They shouldn't have to....
Alot of people don't know this, or don't care, but it is AGAINST THE LAW. That's like saying the PDGA should crack down on people speeding to get to an event on time.
If you don't want it going on at your tourney, ask the police to come during your tourney to help curb the illegal activities.
That will help change the image of disc golfers in the eyes of the police and you won't get lumped in to the "stoner"-disc golfer crowd.

I read the first page and a half of this thread before I couldn't have cared less (well, I guess I could have, if I really didn't I wouldn't be posting)
Tizzle, every **** month you #$*&$! and moan how no one appreciates what you do for the sport and that you're going to quit. Literally every month. It's getting old. All these 'Pity Tizzle' threads you make are also getting old because every one you get what you want, dozens of people to say how much you mean to the sport and don't quit. I will not pity the pity *****.

Thanks for your opinion Mitch, hope to see ya back in NC playing golf again really soon! Good luck with the wedding!

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Sine yo pitty on the runny kine.

MTL read your signature again and live by those words not the words or lack of words from others.

Yeah, and I know what I have to do have fun....

I'm glad you didn't tell me to read your signature, that would have been a challenge!

In fact, I feel the only way I will ever get to the level where people see how important I am is by just not doing anything and people seeing what they are missing. However, that is not fair to everyone.



any declaration that contains "how important I am" makes me shake my head and laugh. :D

happy B-day Paul

MTL that is just german :D

MTL that is just german :D



and I'm not!

In fact, I feel the only way I will ever get to the level where people see how important I am is by just not doing anything and people seeing what they are missing. However, that is not fair to everyone.



any declaration that contains "how important I am" makes me shake my head and laugh.



I think it is funny that the only people that encourage MTL to continue doing what he is doing are those that are in different regions of the country, which are the people that have probably never played a round with him. (or in the group behind him...or in front of him...or for that matter, anywhere on the same course.)

Congrats to you Steve on some hot golf you are playing lately. Cashing at USDGC is no joke. It is pretty obvious that your game is stepping up to the next level. I hope I can reach that level one day!

That sure is a nice lookin' peice of bait...but I'm not biting.

I don't know what you are talking about. This thread was created to get some reasons out why I feel that my volunteer work is being done in vain, not to discuss any personal issues I have with anyone.

Once again, some awesome shooting. You beat some amazingly talented golfers. 660 bux is like 400 dollars more than my biggest payday. Hopefully you will continue your hot golf in Greenville this weekend!

Nice MTL, thos cats are trying to get a rise out of you and you handled yourself with class. Nicely done my friend.

There are thankless bastards in all walks of life, too bad disc golf is full of em'.

There are thankless bastards in all walks of life, too bad disc golf is full of em'.



100% agreement here.

I'm kicking your butt at fantasy football :D

Who isn't?

I'm in 3 leagues right now and I'm only doing good in 1 of them :o

I've used this anecdote a few times around here before...and it seems appropriate here:

No matter who you are, no matter what's in your heart, and no matter how good your intentions are ~> there's ALWAYS some snake-in-the-grass waiting to kick you in the teeth.

.02 // YMMV

here here - well said.

No one is trying to drive you out. That is a bunch of bull. I think you feel insecure because people make funny jokes about you, and you dont know how to take it. I remember that I once told you "I didn't like you when I first met you." Your response was "No one does". You may be loud obnoxious and a bit too much for me some times, but no one wants you to leave the sport, and no one thinks that you don't do anything for the sport. Stop this "pity me bull#$*&$!" please.

Thanks for the reply Scott. It is always great hearing things from people that I have lots of respect for.

I may not be perfect, but I admit my imperfections as a human, a person, and on a much smaller scale, a disc golfer.

However, I wish that your opinion that no one wants me to leave the sport was 100% true b/c it is not. HAving someone like you, who I have the upmost respect for and whom I consider to be one the best TD's in NC say things like that makes me proud to be who I am.

Who cares what other disc golfers think of you. Remember that this sport is just as #$*&$! as Liberace.

You are too much sometimes. Stop worrying what other people think, and get on with your disc golf playing and promoting.

You are too much sometimes. Stop worrying what other people think, and get on with your disc golf playing and promoting.



How can I promote the sport when people don't want me in it and people think they can just say whatever they want about me cuz "he's MTL"

You can continue promoting disc golf by ignoring those folks. Besides, I think that you are no angel at times. You have done your fair share of pi$$ing people (myself included) off with comments you have made. Just because there may be some folks that may not like you, don't go around saying that everyone wants you out of the sport.

Cry me a F-N river!!
If you are going to leave then leave. Man up. I think NC disc golf will be just fine without you.

If not STFU!!!

Every week there is something new with you about how people don't appreciate ALL the work YOU do for this state. Get over it ALREADY.

MTL can't even get love from people in his own state...must be a real tight group of DG'ers over there :o

Thank you. The constant crying and complaining doesn't help promote the sport. This is one reason I hardly play anymore. Too much biatchn.

It is tight but when you complain all round and on here who wants to be around ya. He complains on here because he found seven people from out of state who agree.

MC, you haver NO idea..
I have stuck up for this kid for years. But this "Pity the Tizzy" is getting REAL old.

The one time I met (heard) MTL was at 04 Worlds. I played the last round with him and he seemed like a nice enough guy, maybe a little loud at times, but definitely a respectable person. I am just wondering what he does that rubs so many people in your area the wrong way.

The only thing I can be accused of Brad is caring way to much.

too

One word:

RELAX

One word:

RELAX



I agree, Chris. It was one simple grammatical error...geez.

I'm really looking forward to this and every upcoming weekend of disc golf. Hope everyone plays to the best of thier abilities and has fun.

I don't correct grammar, just spelling. It was definitely a spelling error.

No, the word was to, which is spelled correctly. However, the word should have been too. Using an improper form of a word is considered a grammatical error.

Thank you for you comments on this thread and for everything you have done for disc golf in Va.

Thank you for you comments on this thread and for everything you have done for disc golf in Va.


you should be your.

Ok, I get it, I don't proof read anything I do.

Ok, I get it, I don't proof read anything I do.


"proofread" is one word.

I have never met MTL, but I have read many of his thousands of posts on this board as well as his articles on the banned site that we can't mention here. These are some outside perspectives to issues you have listed here.

Drug use voids your efforts as a promoter of disc golf:
This is one of the biggest obstacles in the progression of our sport. I don't know of many area's that are immune to this issue. I don't think that drug use voids your efforts at all. Some of your comments may be interpeted as arrogance by people who smoke pot. They may feel you think you are better than them and they don't have a place in the sport. We need to be accepting of all people, even if they have some bad habits. I know alot of good people that smoke pot. Fixing this issue is going to take time and alot of people like you and I that don't smoke to clean it up. Saying their actions are a personal attack of your efforts is not completely correct.

Naming calling and being the butt of jokes hurts:
Among the disc golf crowd, I am often teased about my religion, being clean and sober and some of the decisions I make relating to the local club and events. I try to be accepting and not let it bother me. I usually laugh along with them and most of the time it is in good fun. If I have a bad day at work or on the course, I know that I have a fantastic wife and two beautiful daughters that I mean the world to. That is where I get my self esteem from.

Poor, poor me nobody cares:
As you can tell by alot of the responses people do care. However, you seem to talk about you alot. This comes off alot of times as arrogance. Who likes to be around somone that talks about themselves all of the time? Your efforts in the sport are appreciated, it may be that people don't appreciate the self centered approach that many of your posts/actions take.

I just thought that I would give an outside perspective from somone that has visited this board daily for 2+ years. Then again, my perspective may be way off base.

Ok, I get it, I don't proof read anything I do.


"proofread" is one word.



Yeah yeah yeah.....

Who is Robert Leonard?

It is impossible for an opinion to be off base.

Rob I heard you were quitting your job to become an English teacher? Is that correct? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

but people on the other hand...

Who is Robert Leonard?



For it is Jack. All these years I have been MTL. Currently, I feel that Robert_Leonard is more of an approriate name for me.

Rob I heard you were quitting your job to become an English teacher? Is that correct?



While I do have the intentions of molding and shaping young minds, I have decided to hold off on that for a while.

I still may do it, I may not. Only time will tell.

thats a good assessment there RB

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I'm kicking your butt at fantasy football :D



Looks like you've improved greatly since the days when you started Oakland Raiders WR Ronald Curry at QB, even though he never took a snap at QB. :confused: :D

If I come off sounding better than other, I must change and change I have.

haha, I remember that.

Recalling stories from the past is so fun, isn't Jeff!

Hi and welcome to 'i Tizzle' chat. A long time ago I told you of the different between MTL and Robert Leonard. There was a distinction, now there isn't. Unfortunately, you're not Robert Leonard anymore.

Wow disc golf cost me my legal name. I'm sure my parents would be upset by this.

How are things in Colorado? I saw you got 4th this past weekend, that's awesome!

All these years I have been MTL. Currently, I feel that Robert_Leonard is more of an approriate name for me.



All these years? Didn't CuTT give you that nickname like a year or two ago?

The name was created at the 2003 am worlds when he and members of Team Trim saw the sign that is in my avatar.

Thank you for your controbution to this thread and good luck this weekend and for the rest of your awesome rookie year.

I have never met MTL, <font color="red">lucky you </font> but I have read many of his thousands of posts <font color="red">why? </font> on this board as well as his articles on the banned site <font color="red">www.marylandnomads.com </font> that we can't mention here. These are some outside perspectives to issues you have listed here.

Drug use voids your efforts as a promoter of disc golf:
This is one of the biggest obstacles in the progression of our sport. I don't know of many area's that are immune to this issue. I don't think that drug use voids your efforts at all. Some of your comments may be interpeted as arrogance by people who smoke pot. They may feel you think you are better than them <font color="red">I am </font> and they don't have a place in the sport. We need to be accepting of all people, even if they have some bad habits. <font color="red">You know Joe...sure he burns crosses in the front yards of black families but he's okay </font> I know alot of good people that smoke pot. <font color="red">I supplement my income dealing. </font> Fixing this issue is going to take time and alot of people like you and I that don't smoke to clean it up. Saying their actions are a personal attack of your efforts is not completely correct.

Naming calling and being the butt of jokes hurts:
Among the disc golf crowd, I am often teased about my <font color="red"> penis, </font> religion, being clean and sober and some of the decisions I make relating to the local club and events. I try to be accepting and not let it bother me. I usually laugh along with them <font color="red">while secretly plotting to murder them in brutal ways </font> and most of the time it is in good fun. If I have a bad day at work or on the course, I know that I have a fantastic wife and two beautiful daughters <font color="red">could you post some pictures Rob? </font> that I mean the world to. That is where I get my self esteem from.

Poor, poor me nobody cares:
As you can tell by alot of the responses people do care <font color="red">or things are kind of slow at work today. </font> However, you seem to talk about you alot. This comes off alot of times as arrogance. Who likes to be around somone that talks about themselves all of the time? Your efforts in the sport are appreciated, it may be that people don't appreciate <font color="red">your smell, and </font> the self centered approach that many of your posts/actions take.

I just thought that I would give an outside perspective from somone that has visited this board daily for 2+ years. Then again, my perspective <font color="red">remember I'm a Mormon </font> may be way off base.

Nice Hawk - lol

Hawk, why do you tease Robert about his penis when we all tease him about his back hair?

Yeah tell that one to Ricky Williams I'm sure he feels the same way,I mean just cause your paying the guy 8 million dollars doesn't give you the right to tell him he can't smoke during half time does it. :D
we're not telling poeple they can't smoke pot just have enough freaking will power to not do it during the tournament,is that to freaking much to ask. :mad:
It's who I'am,it helps me relax, I'm not hurting anyone, not only is it wrong but it should be considered cheating

no disagreements here. I also would like to stop hearing about it during rounds.

we're not telling poeple they can't smoke pot just have enough freaking will power to not do it during the tournament,is that to freaking much to ask. :mad:





Good point, forgiven.



It's who I'am,it helps me relax, I'm not hurting anyone, not only is it wrong but it should be considered cheating



For some people pot CAN be considered a performance enhancer...there is a pro in Texas who plays outstanding golf when he is drunk, no lie.

no disagreements here. I also would like to stop hearing about it during rounds.


I can't even count how many time I've walk to the next tee only to find the group a head of us waiting to tee off getting high,I used to tolorate it but have begun telling my group at the start of each round if I see it,I 'll tell the TD.
This year people if you see me coming and your getting high your going bye bye.

This year people if you see me coming and your getting high your going bye bye.



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there is a pro in Texas who plays outstanding golf when he is drunk, no lie.



That could'nt be Clayton could it :D

I won't even warn people anymore. I will jsut document what time it happened, find someone in my group I trust and make sure they saw it, then turn them in at the end of the round.

That what digital camera's are for ;)

I won't even warn people anymore. I will jsut document what time it happened, find someone in my group I trust and make sure they saw it, then turn them in at the end of the round.



At least there are people out there that are following the rules... Yeah!
I was on the lead card @ the Shreveport Open this year ( B-tier) . 3 cards back there was an individual drinking and smoking during the round. THe 3 others on his card blatently disregarded the rules, and did not say anything.
Try and imagine the look on their faces when this one person took last place cash ....... Rules are rules. They can be a valuable tool!

there is a pro in Texas who plays outstanding golf when he is drunk, no lie.



That could'nt be Clayton could it :D



DING DING DING!

we're not telling poeple they can't smoke pot just have enough freaking will power to not do it during the tournament,is that to freaking much to ask. :mad:


Unfortuntely it truly is.

Jeeeeeesus freaking Murphy, y'all are wearing me out. Go out on the course. Play a round with friends. And get over it. :cool:

Robert just a few words of advice.

#1 Dont argue the same arguements that u have had online from this point forward. We know your opinon which I respect.We know the argument from the other side, while I do not agree with, I respect just as well.


We are all beating a dead horse on this subject(discussion wise)

Most of the conflict i see comes from tournaments, Just remember No one is "giving to the sport" by playing it is what we do beyond that is giving.

Bring people into the sport. Go to church youth groups, get involved in the Edge program. This is how change will be brought.

Dont worry what people say.


Like Jclark says, You cant save those that want to be lost.

The one time I met (heard) MTL was at 04 Worlds. I played the last round with him and he seemed like a nice enough guy, maybe a little loud at times, but definitely a respectable person. I am just wondering what he does that rubs so many people in your area the wrong way.



I agree,

he rubs people the wrong way because He talks about the things people don't want talked about. our problems within the sport and why Disc Golf has not grown the way it should.

Like Jclark says, You cant save those that want to be lost.



I don't think I ever read a statement that is more perfect for me to hear than that. Thanks Travis.

This is the most riduculos bunch of crap I have ever read. By the way "a lot" is two words. I especially like the way that pot smoking is somehow related to lack of love for Tizzle. I took logic, can someone explain this leap?

I believe there is a term for it: dramaqueen.

Nate, whats up man? Thanks for your comments!

How have been, we sure miss seeing you around at all the tournaments. When we will see that incredible sidearm of yours again? Jacksonville maybe?

Hope all is well!

Son,
if my lack of interest/involement in your life over the past few months has caused this outburst please calm down, relax, take a breath. I can pencil you in for lunch next Wed. Sorry it couldn't be sooner your brother Jesus has Mon. and Tues. But i did cancel with the holy ghost to fit you in.

We sure did miss seeing ya around as much Chris.

Thank you for your controbution to this thread and good luck this weekend and for the rest of your awesome rookie year.



Good luck to you this weekend as well. Hope you do better than last year (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5360&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open) when you told me you were one of the favorites to win since you held some course records and gville was basically your home course. I like this new attitude. Did someone finally smack some sense into ya? :D

[ Hope you do better than last year (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5360&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open) when you told me you were one of the favorites to win since you held some course records and gville was basically your home course. I like this new attitude. Did someone finally smack some sense into ya? :D



Yeah last year's tournament was just awful. At the time I held both course records (48 long and 40 shorts) and just played really really bad. Everyone has those weekends I guess. I guess I have no pressure this year b/c it's not my home course anymore, and I don't have either record anymore - lol

I'm still the same person I always was and always have been. Just focusing on some different things.

We'll see ya in Greenville this weekend.

he rubs people the wrong way because He talks about the things people don't want talked about. our problems within the sport and why Disc Golf has not grown the way it should.

people dont like MtL, sorry Robert J Leonard (more apt for your title btw), because hes trying to progress this sport by bringing to light its problems? yeah, everyone wants to hold disc golf back. try again. fact is there are multiple reasons why Tivvle "rubs people the wrong way".

1 - he has no, or a very limited, social filter. on numerous occasions i have heard 1st, 2nd, or 3rd hand, remarks he has made that have been completely untactful regarding others. im not saying im the most tactful person, but then again, i didnt start this thread.

2 - hes a walking contradiction. in your post, you talk about how hes trying to fix the problems with the sport, get the drugs and drug refernces out of the sport. yet, how many times have well-respected players in our area pulled him aside after rounds to express their concern over his on the course antics (i.e. - overly dramatic frustation, chair throwing... basic child-like tantrum issues). this is not a detriment to the sport? you want others to change, like mj said try starting with the man in the mirror.

3 - egocentricity. is this a word? it should be. Rob Bull touched on this a little earlier in this thread. more often than not, these type threads are more about problems revolving around him than the sport of disc golf.

personally, i dont hate RJL, nor do i have a problem playing with him in tournament play. but, i do see the reasons behind others negative feelings towards him, and its not because of his efforts to advance the sport.


btw - you're welcome for the impending TThanks

Your coments are right on the head Jeff. My actions in the past have not been professional and I realized that if I'm going to start enforcing the rules and calling warnings for inapproriate behaivor then I can't do so acting as a hypocrit.

I do disagree with your assestment of tact, however. What people interept as a cooth or rude remark, I intrerept as friendly ribbing. I have learned that the maturity level in this sport is somewhat low and that competitors can not take a comment, even from a jester like I. My actions from this point on will only represent true professionalism as I continue my quest through life, both as a disc golfer and as a person.

I, personally, have been on the end of most the ribbing. Imagine seeing yourself in altered, demoralizing and gender crossing picture like I have been. Imagine constantly not feeling wanted or having self worth. It's not a fun place to be. However, it is my place in the sport. No longer, however, will I be the punchline of a joke.

I think they have support groups for these kinds of things.

I am a middle school teacher, and this whole sad scene plays out all too often....

Billy does not get enough of the right kind of attention at home, so when he comes to school he is needy and insecure. He wants to fit in with the cool kids, but he tries too hard and they sense some sort of weakness (attention deprivation), and they pay him no mind. Billy is a relatively bright kid, absorbed by his overwhelming need for attention, he quickly learns that he can get the popular kids' attention by instigating them in various ways. Negative attention is always better than no attention. Popular kids react by making fun of Billy, who just won't back down and shut up, and the situation escalates. It ends with Billy being humiliated, a bonus because now he gets the attention of those who feel sorry for him after witnessing the popular kids making fun of him. Soon enough, the cycle begins again...

STOP THIS CYCLE! The sanctimoniousness of all this is worthless..... :(

Your comments are true in most cases, however they are biased, unresearched and include an element of heresay.

Sounds right on track to me. ;)

well put.

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Last night before church my family and I went out for dinner ,the waitress brought us our drinks and everything was going good untill dinner.The waitress was training a new girl so she had help bringing our food to the table my wife was sitting on the inside so the waitress had to lean over the table to give my wife her dinner,( you can probably tell where this is going and your right ) while putting my wifes food on the table she knocks over my ice water and it lands in my wifes lap.Well naturally we had to get up so trying to make lite of the situation i say "this is an outrage and you've ruined my wifes clothes and I demaned to see the manager" you know all the usual stuff,well my plan to turn a bad situation into lite humer backfired.because before I knew what happen the waitress was on the floor crying uncontrollably saying thier going to fire me over this I just know it,man talk about a buzz kill, so right about now I fill like crap so I say I'm sorry and it's ok and give her a big hug and tell her everythings alright.Afterwards we all had a good laugh over it and I gave her a nice tip just to let her know everything was cool.
:eek:END OF THREAD DRIFT :eek:

Thank you for your controbution to this thread and good luck this weekend and for the rest of your awesome rookie year.



Good luck to you this weekend as well. Hope you do better than last year (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5360&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open) when you told me you were one of the favorites to win since you held some course records and gville was basically your home course. I like this new attitude. Did someone finally smack some sense into ya? :D


Ahh, to date my only DNF. I've learned if I'm drinking mass quantities of beer, drink a little water before I sleep so I don't wake up with a crippling muscle cramp in my leg. :) Just a coincidence that Tivvle was in my group that I dnf'd.

Robert,
Do boogers taste good??

Yeah Mitch, I remember feeling really bad when you walked of the course. The only thing worse than being hurt is being hurt during a tournament and having to DNF.

The worst part of the thing was we were on the other end of the world and you had that long walk back!! Not exactly the hole to be on with a bum leg. I think you were beating me pretty badly at the point too - lol

Good stuff Steve, very funny!

That part I find most humorous is when you sent me that PM yesterday and told me you never wanted to talk to me again, now you ask me a question. Oh Steven, you are quite the loyalist to your word!

Hope to see ya soon!

This must be the new Peyton Place thread. ;)

Either that or Gruion has possess'ed MTL's body. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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ah, Mike Crump.

A name not mentioned in these parts. I acutally got an email form him this week - he and his wife had a baby!

this is one of the weirdest threads ever.

"and thats when the Hurdy Gurdy man comes singin songs of love."

It's an acid flashback thread.

This must be the new Peyton Place thread. ;)

Either that or Gruion has possess'ed MTL's body. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Can't be. Mike would have spent the last three pages having a conversation with himself under different aliases.

ah, Mike Crump.

A name not mentioned in these parts. I acutally got an email form him this week - he and his wife had a baby!



That's worth a CONGRATS!.......babies are cool.

wow....

Robert Leonard.... this is NOT the end of the world.... there are WORSE things than not being wanted by the disc golf comunity (except for the guy with Hasselhoff as his avitar, go figure)....

you could have been MY kid.... now THAT would be a real tragedy.... for me anyway.... things would no doubt be better for you, cuz you **** sure would not be on this board making a public fool out of your whinny, needy, socially stunted little self....

ps - no need to thank me for contributing to this thread, it would just sound fake anyway (like you are trying to prove you have grown up since you started this "give me a hug cuz my momma did not give me enough hugs thread"....

Steve Parker - all misspelled words misspelled on purpose...


*edit* - since I mentioned your momma.... does SHE have any idea you represent yourself on a public forum in this manner?

Actually my mom still hugs and kisses me to this day.

I started this thread as means of enjoyment. It is pretty simple to get a rise out of people and just makes me laugh.

I will admit it finally. This thread is a joke. Nothing in it is serious nor meant to be serious. HAHA to all those who thought it was.

But man o man did it provide me 2 days of laughs!!!

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!!

THE END

don't worry bro, its over..... just needed a good laugh for 2 days....

but i really do hope to see you this weekend, esp when my name is above yours on the leaderboard :o

wow....

Robert Leonard.... this is NOT the end of the world.... there are WORSE things than not being wanted by the disc golf comunity (except for the guy with Hasselhoff as his avitar, go figure)....

you could have been MY kid.... now THAT would be a real tragedy.... for me anyway.... things would no doubt be better for you, cuz you **** sure would not be on this board making a public fool out of your whinny, needy, socially stunted little self....

ps - no need to thank me for contributing to this thread, it would just sound fake anyway (like you are trying to prove you have grown up since you started this "give me a hug cuz my momma did not give me enough hugs thread"....

Steve Parker - all misspelled words misspelled on purpose...


*edit* - since I mentioned your momma.... does SHE have any idea you represent yourself on a public forum in this manner?



yow! At least you misspelled everything phonetically. except whinny.

Actually my mom still hugs and kisses me to this day.

I started this thread as means of enjoyment. It is pretty simple to get a rise out of people and just makes me laugh.

I will admit it finally. This thread is a joke. Nothing in it is serious nor meant to be serious. HAHA to all those who thought it was.

But man o man did it provide me 2 days of laughs!!!



a JOKE?
so the 3 ims you sent me the nite b4 you started this thread was all a JOKE?

Actually my mom still hugs and kisses me to this day.

I started this thread as means of enjoyment. It is pretty simple to get a rise out of people and just makes me laugh.

I will admit it finally. This thread is a joke. Nothing in it is serious nor meant to be serious. HAHA to all those who thought it was.

But man o man did it provide me 2 days of laughs!!!


On most forums trolling like this would be a suspension or even banworthy offense... There's nothing funny about it to anyone but you, and it was only funny to you in how you enjoyed antagonizing your fellow posters.

-Chris.

hey I've been bored....

to anyone affended I apologize....

this thread actually generated some good discussions about drug use with disc golf, which is more of a good thing that deals with disc golf than some threads on the board.

On most forums trolling like this would be a suspension or even banworthy offense..



SECOND

MTL, the bipolar #$*&$!! I doubt you started it as a joke. More like, "I started this thread because Walgreens wouldn't refill my prozac prescription."

If you wanna talk about what I did to cure bordum and actually get a decent discussion going as a means to suspension, then please look at yourself. How many log ins did you have before they stopped it. I seem to recall it was close to 10?

Not trying to start arguing bro, just saying the pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

If members of the message board higher ups feel a punishement is warrented for this thread then I take it and then point out to them all of the other things that should be suspended too, such as log in names with drug references in them, signautures with drug references in them, use of profain language, etc.

Thread seemed pretty real when all the postings were, "It's okay buddy keep your head up." Then the tide turned, all the realness comes out and its one big joke. Right. I don't buy that crap for one second. And if it was a joke ( which I will never believe by the way) doesn't it kind suck for the people that were standing up for you? Makes it look like you used them a little, and I don't give you that much credit.

I have never intentionally used anyone.

This thread was started as a joke to get some reactions out of people that I feel are not good for disc golf and as way for me to get some laughs.

I will once again point out that this thread actually did provide very good discussion on the severe drug issue in this game.

I have my doubts that this post started as a joke.... but even if you did start the thread as a joke, I stand by my amature diagnosis of your immature, socialy stunted public persona...

if it WAS a joke from the start it has some irony to it.... there are more people out there with less respect for you now than when you started the thread (more by one at the least)....

and as for your "disc golf contributions".... I have NO respect for any contributions you may have made.... if you are contributing your time for the better of disc golf, great.... but if you are contributing for personal recognition (and it sounds like you do) then by laws of motivational intent, while you may be doing things to help out, you are not helping out for the betterment of the game, but for personal accolades only....

no need to respond to this post, as I will not be coming back to see it.... I have decided that I am no longer bored and you are now dissmissed.....

Steve Parker - all misspelled words misspelled on purpose....

I will respond even though you will not see.

My actions as a volunteer are not for ackowledgement, but they are in hopes that my help could improve someone elses love of disc golf to the same level as my love.

If you wanna talk about what I did to cure bordum and actually get a decent discussion going as a means to suspension, then please look at yourself. How many log ins did you have before they stopped it. I seem to recall it was close to 10?

Not trying to start arguing bro, just saying the pot shouldn't call the kettle black.

If members of the message board higher ups feel a punishement is warrented for this thread then I take it and then point out to them all of the other things that should be suspended too, such as log in names with drug references in them, signautures with drug references in them, use of profain language, etc.



MTL you are such a whining baby.

I really don't care about the comments made by people who have never even met me.

For that matter, I don't care for any negative comments about me. I have some great friends, in and out of disc golf. I know that these people support me. I play disc golf for some pretty serious personal reasons that no many people will ever know about, b/c I don't care to tell them. I play disc golf for me.

if it WAS a joke from the start it has some irony to it.... there are more people out there with less respect for you now than when you started the thread (more by one at the least)....


I have to second this. I didn't really know you before, but I saw your name in many threads and read what you had to say with an appropriate amount of respect for somebody that has been around the sport far longer than I have... However the attitude you've chosen to reveal here has really drained any respect I had for you before.

Now my only opinion of you, really, is that you seem to be a sad forum troll.


-Chris.

I will continue to fight the good fight within the sport. I will use whatever means necessary, including people that have met losing respect for me, to make disc golf as a whole better.

However, I will say that yes my actions in the past have been unprofessional and I hav honestly seen the light. I saw it in Charlotte when I played with someone that I had no fun playing with and I thought that it reminded me of me.

To all those I have played with in the past when I was upset I do apologize to them. I have started focusing on the fun side of the sport rather than all the other stuff that runs through my head during a tournament.

I can only work on the present and the past has happened. I just hope that those affected can wake up tomorrow morning as if it were a new day and forget the old me.

I used to see all these posts of people hating on MTL for many different reasons. I always thought to myself "Gee, he doesn't seem like a terrible person. NC golfers must all be d1cks!"
Boy was I wrong :D

give it to me baby - I love it!

give it to me baby - I love it!



Not sure what to make of this quote.

hahaha

good come back - never thought of that!

Most people with common sense should be able to pick out where in this thread I was joking around and where I was being serious....

Man , some people go waaaay to far on this MB.
Robert, is that bullseye on your back getting heavy yet????
I myself, have to respect anybody, regardless of their actions , that are working to broaden the horizons of disc golf. Thanks MTL , honesty is an admirable quality , not found too often these days! Keep on keepin' on!
Remember : Haters want to HATE. Apparently they all flood to this thread!
I still think Steve Parker is absolutely hilarious!
One of the most unique people I know!

give it to me baby - I love it!


No wonder people moon him on the course.

there are WORSE things than not being wanted by the disc golf comunity (except for the guy with Hasselhoff as his avitar, go figure)....





Hey pal, do not even think about Hassling the Hoff...not a good idea. :p

For some reason I just got the theme music for night rider stuck in my head!

1 - he has no, or a very limited, social filter. on numerous occasions i have heard 1st, 2nd, or 3rd hand, remarks he has made that have been completely untactful regarding others. im not saying im the most tactful person, but then again, i didnt start this thread.

2 - hes a walking contradiction. in your post, you talk about how hes trying to fix the problems with the sport, get the drugs and drug refernces out of the sport. yet, how many times have well-respected players in our area pulled him aside after rounds to express their concern over his on the course antics (i.e. - overly dramatic frustation, chair throwing... basic child-like tantrum issues). this is not a detriment to the sport? you want others to change, like mj said try starting with the man in the mirror.

3 - egocentricity. is this a word? it should be. Rob Bull touched on this a little earlier in this thread. more often than not, these type threads are more about problems revolving around him than the sport of disc golf.





and as for your "disc golf contributions".... I have NO respect for any contributions you may have made.... if you are contributing your time for the better of disc golf, great.... but if you are contributing for personal recognition (and it sounds like you do) then by laws of motivational intent, while you may be doing things to help out, you are not helping out for the betterment of the game, but for personal accolades only....




Second.

Also, everyone knows this thread was NOT a joke. Every post on here was ReaL. Even your FAKE attitude ones. You know I have never ever disliked you. I perfer not to hang around you and your negativity but I have always respected you. But now, I just think you are sad. Everyone makes fun of you but you full well know you bring it all on yourself, yet you continue to pull stuff like this. I truely feel sorry for ya bro.

All my comments in regard to wishing people well were real.

This has been a fun week and I'm glad we could once again discuss the ever growing drug problem in disc golf.

Not only do I not care about what people say, I know what people say. I find it very humerous and then return to my awesome life. I love life.

If it is so awesome, why do you spend 50% of your time posting drivel on here?

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If it is so awesome, why do you spend 50% of your time posting drivel on here?



Second. This thread seems like a cry for attention. The whole "this was a joke, look how smart I am for getting everyone to participate" ploy reminds me of a few weeks ago when that fellow posted his own web address, something like amdiscgolf.com, and asked if anyone had seen the site. Then he claimed he wasn't affiliated. Then, when everyone jumped on his back, he came up with some lame reason as to why it was a good idea to lie.

This thread is a bit more lame than that.

I do not care about my image.

I will do ANYTHING to get this sport to the next level so it could save someone like it saved me.

I would to thank all those who contributed to this thread and for some of the great discussion we had on issues of drugs and professionalism. I have learned a lot from it.

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Hey MTL...You keep mentioning you want to save the sport from "drug use". Let me ask you, are you on ANY type of medication, prescribed or not?(including Tylenol, Advil, Alleve, etc.) I suspect at one time you probably have taken some form of medication, like in Feb. when you had the flu.(In my opinion you probably have some kind of Xanax prescription) Do you realize that those are mind altering substances? Kind of like weed, but legal because the AMA makes good money keeping people doped up.

No Dave, I do not take any medications at all. In fact, for those reasons mentioned above, I do not use advil for headaches or anything like that.

The last piece of medication I took was in Feb. when I came down with the flu.

So, you take a mind/body altering substance when you are sick? See Tivvle if you were a man of your word you would swallow a clove of garlic when sick instead of resorting to drug use.

Clove oil is a drug.

But why do you bring up aspirin and tylenol when it is blatant pot smoking that is the issue?

If you want pot to be legal, join NORML and work on that with the legislature. Until you get it legalized, please keep it off the course!

The bottom line is this.

Pot, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is illegal.

Advil, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is legal.

The bottom line is this.

Pot, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is illegal.

Advil, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is legal.





Clove oil is a drug.

But why do you bring up aspirin and tylenol when it is blatant pot smoking that is the issue?

If you want pot to be legal, join NORML and work on that with the legislature. Until you get it legalized, please keep it off the course!



I could care less whether it is legal or not. But if it were legal, would you bit[/b]ch about it?

Have you ever smoked pot Tizzle???

I could care less whether it is legal or not. But if it were legal, would you bit[/b]ch about it?


I couldn't care less what anybody does on their own time. The fact that pot is illegal is the reason I am opposed to it's use on the disc golf course.

Pretty simple, really.

Yet Vicodin is legal and people take that and play...and shoot really well too. So by your rules, that's perfectly acceptable solely because it's legal? You, by your definitions, would not have a problem with people smoking and playing in say, Canada? You're a sad, sad, sad person tivvle. You enjoyed getting a rise out of people so that puts you right there with Morgan and Lagrassa (nothing person to lagrassa, he's a good friend)

My personal feelings towards any type of drugs from pot to percription to alcohol have no merritt on this conversation. I simply follow PDGA rules which state that activities that are not allowed in the park are grounds for DQ.

It doesn't get much easier than that.

Have you ever smoked pot Tizzle???



Yes, I have.

However, when I chose to do so, I was no wear near a public park or no where near a PDGA tournament.

Have you ever consumed acohol or done illegal drugs in a park during PDGA play? If the answer is yes (which I already know it is), then you are a cheater.

The bottom line is this.

Pot, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is illegal.

Advil, no matter your opinions on whether it should be, is legal.





Clove oil is a drug.

But why do you bring up aspirin and tylenol when it is blatant pot smoking that is the issue?

If you want pot to be legal, join NORML and work on that with the legislature. Until you get it legalized, please keep it off the course!



I could care less whether it is legal or not. But if it were legal, would you bit[/b]ch about it?



That's actaully a really good question Dave. As stated above, my personal feelings have no merritt on the issue.

Hey MTL...You keep mentioning you want to save the sport from "drug use". Let me ask you, are you on ANY type of medication, prescribed or not?(including Tylenol, Advil, Alleve, etc.) I suspect at one time you probably have taken some form of medication, like in Feb. when you had the flu.(In my opinion you probably have some kind of Xanax prescription) Do you realize that those are mind altering substances? Kind of like weed, but legal because the AMA makes good money keeping people doped up.



I hope this is ether a joke or a post to get Robert going. I am the father of a Ten year old Disc Golfer. First of all it is illegal. All public parks have a sign stating the use of illegal drugs is prohibited. Disc Golf course (most of them) are on public park land. Has it not dawned on people That Disc Golf Courses can be taken out to better use the land for more popular sports, if illegal activities are linked to this sport.

Second, I don�t want my son exposed to it. And what of the unthinkable, We are at a course playing random doubles. He get paired with a pot smoker. There on the back 9, I�m on the front 9. The pot smoker gets busted. There�s Andrew in the middle. What if the cop or Ranger doesn�t understand Random doubles. All the officer knows is Andrew is with the pot smoker. What happens now.

Third, I have to take blood pressure medication, If I don�t I will have a stroke �it�s that bad� I don�t like taking it. But I don�t want to die. I have really bad headaches so I take Tylenol, These are the only drugs I can take because of the Kidney problems I have.

I would love to be drug free. And I hope to be some day��.

I think Colorado is passing some crazy law to make it legal here...and possession up to quite a bit so if anyone wants to come golf, come on over.

My personal feelings towards any type of drugs from pot to percription to alcohol have no <font color="red"> merritt </font> on this conversation. I simply follow PDGA rules which state that activities that are not allowed in the park are grounds for DQ.

It doesn't get much easier than that.






That's actaully a really good question Dave. As stated above, my personal feelings have no <font color="red">merritt </font> on the issue.



Please learn how to spell MERIT right and stop using my name in vain.

Wasn't this sport created by a bunch of stoner hippies throwing circular plastic?

Just checking...

SKERRITT

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My personal feelings towards any type of drugs from pot to percription to alcohol have no <font color="red"> merritt </font> on this conversation. I simply follow PDGA rules which state that activities that are not allowed in the park are grounds for DQ.

It doesn't get much easier than that.






That's actaully a really good question Dave. As stated above, my personal feelings have no <font color="red">merritt </font> on the issue.



Please learn how to spell MERIT right and stop using my name in vain.



The message board needs some red squiglies under misspelled words!

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



Great post Gary. That is my EXACT thoughts!!!

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?


Those are all against the rules too, but are often overlooked as well.

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?



I believe it was Jesus who said "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone"

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?



I believe it was Jesus who said "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone"



EXACTLY!!!


and as your modern day savior,
STFU

My actions in the past are in the past and I'm not proud of them. However, I have changed, not for anyone but myself. If I'm going to be this rule nazi with drugs, then I must not be hypocritical with other rule violations that I commit.

"Go with Christ, bra" The Dog

MTL, why did you create this thread?

I just can't understand that some people still defend open public use of an illegal substance and truly think there are no consequences. I really don't have much of a problem with the activity, but do have a real problem with the negative public perception it adds to our sport.



What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?



I believe it was Jesus who said "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone"




If Jesus did those things, I'd stroke him.

I believe it was Jesus who said "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone"

actually, i think jebus' original quote was "may he who is without TTrim have stones cast upon he". after it was translated about 1,000+ times, it seemed to have goTTen a little muddled

MTL, why did you create this thread?



I was so offended from the actions during a PDGA event due to a reference to drug use in front of a specator that I lost my cool during the round. I honestly was worked for the first time.

I remember even uttering "I don't care anymore" b/c I didn't.

I felt that starting a thread that says I was being driven out when bring people to asking me why and I could once again get a discussion going on the drug issue.

The approach to this thread was totally wrong and I apoligize for that. However, we have had some good talk here and I do not apologize for that.

this thread is on borrowed time. two requests for deletion, from different Members. just thought i'd let ya know... i dont know yet what will ultimately happen.

laaaaaaaater

Do requests for deletion have to site any specific and supportable reason for offense or just a dislike for the poster and topic ?

I know people dislike me and I know people dislike the topic!

and what is the topic? by the subject it appears to be funk tizzy... wait, thats too many leTTers.

The main topic is drug use, the side topic is razz me.

I'm fine with the second as long as the first is discussed as good as it has been.

I started this thread as means of enjoyment. It is pretty simple to get a rise out of people and just makes me laugh.


This thread was started as a joke to get some reactions out of people that I feel are not good for disc golf and as way for me to get some laughs.

bullsht, the above is the main topic and is why it should be deleted. if you want to have a serious drug discussion, start another thread in rules &amp; standards or post on one of your existing threads there.

I think Colorado is passing some crazy law to make it legal here...and possession up to quite a bit so if anyone wants to come golf, come on over.



Last year, Denver passed a referendum that made posession of up to an ounce legal. This year, the same is on the ballot for all of Colorado. It will be an interesting issue to watch.

I think Colorado is passing some crazy law to make it legal here...and possession up to quite a bit so if anyone wants to come golf, come on over.



Last year, Denver passed a referendum that made posession of up to an ounce legal <font color="red"> if over 21 </font> . This year, the same is on the ballot for all of Colorado. It will be an interesting issue to watch.



The State reefer-endum is the more important issue. From my understanding, legalizing pot in Denver did not change much. Pot charges are usually prosecuted under State or Federal Law, in which it is still a mistermeanor (< ounce). I guess the DA could dismiss charges based on Denver law? Anywho, pot is less dangerous than alcohol and will NEVER become legal. Think of how much $$$ the beer and liquor companies have to keep it from ever happening.

My $0.02.

just move this conversation here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=546285&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1) and delete this thread.

i can't believe i just sat here and read 10 pages of this.. i think my brain has turned to mush.. thanks mtl

THis is interesting. Ann Arbor citizens passed Prop C in 2004, with 74% yes votes. The police never stopped enforcing the State and Federal Laws though. Did Denver Police stop enforcing?

i can't believe i just sat here and read 10 pages of this.. i think my brain has turned to mush.. thanks mtl



you should go ahead and read the other ten pages. Thanks for signing the two disc for me Chris loves it, and owes me for life.

you should go ahead and read the other ten pages.



Now thats just torture

I would like to try and peacefully end this thread. First and foremost, I was upset by the action of an individual during a tournament. Instead of approaching this person and letting him know my feelings, I cowardly used the medium of text. Text is a great medium for disbursing information, but for conversations, is often misinterpreted. I also acted very unprofessional during the round that the instance occurred. I would like to apologize for anyone offended by my selfish and unprofessional actions.
In all this, I felt that I could once again approach the topic through the message board in a hidden way. I knew that if I started a thread such as this, I could get a rise out of the people most involved with the incident. That also was very unprofessional. I started this thread to get that rise out of people, to selfishly cure a slow week at work, and to also once again discuss the drug issue within our fine sport.
As I have learned through many posts and personal thoughts, this was 100% completely the wrong way to do this.
Disc golf is a great sport and a sport that I have been playing since I was 9 years old. When I was 12, I attended my first tournament in Raleigh. Carlton Howard, a hall of famer and then RADL president, pulled me aside one night. He gave me a mini and a putter and told me he was thrilled to see a kid at doubles and I was always welcome. I hope for everyone�s sake that they have in moment in their past where they can look back and say �that is where I was hooked� like I do.
I hope that all those people whom I will never know other than through this medium will understand that this thread was a mistake. I would like to publicly apologize to them and hope they will continue to read my posts with an open mind, instead of with a closed mind like I have read some of these posts on here.
To my fellow NC golfers, I do apologize for all mentioned above and for all my actions in the past. I can only control the present and use the past as a reflection and as tool to help improve the future. All of the comments I have said to these people on here, they all came from the heart. Nothing I posted about seeing player�s game improving was fake, it was all me talking.
I hope all that have been offended by this can move and we can all continue to play disc golf like they did in the old days. I�m refocusing my mission in disc golf and focusing more on having fun flinging a disc, as if I were 12 years old again.

Sincerely,

Robert �MTL� Leonard
#21676

as if I were 12 years old again.

Sincerely,

Robert �MTL� Leonard
#21676



Well...at least you got this part right.

this thread is on borrowed time. two requests for deletion, from different Members. just thought i'd let ya know... i dont know yet what will ultimately happen.


Just shut down the whole DISCussion board already, will ya? :)

this thread is on borrowed time. two requests for deletion, from different Members. just thought i'd let ya know... i dont know yet what will ultimately happen.


I was one of them:)

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I started this thread as means of enjoyment. It is pretty simple to get a rise out of people and just makes me laugh.


This thread was started as a joke to get some reactions out of people that I feel are not good for disc golf and as way for me to get some laughs.

bullsht, the above is the main topic and is why it should be deleted. if you want to have a serious drug discussion, start another thread in rules & standards or post on one of your existing threads there.



I thought you changed? Freakin' walking contradiction.

Christ I wish I had the last 15 mintues back. I could have spent it chewing tin foil.

Christ I wish I had the 15 mintues back. I could have spent it chewing tin foil.



Geez Mullet. That was great! :D:D:D

It was like listening to a 20 minute John Cage piece. You sit there going, "okay, this will get better any minute." And then it suddenly ends, and you're left going, "I paid HOW much for this?"

I've said it before - disc golf people and circumstances don't bug me (and I'm thoroughly anti-drug). Disc golf message boards do.

i can't believe i just sat here and read 10 pages of this.. i think my brain has turned to mush.. thanks mtl



can you give me a cliff notes version so I don't do the same?

i can't believe i just sat here and read 10 pages of this.. i think my brain has turned to mush.. thanks mtl



can you give me a cliff notes version so I don't do the same?



"I hate being not appreciated"

"Drugs are bad, mmm-kay?"

"DRUGZ R G00D U LOOZER!!1!11!!!!"

"What?"

"People take aspirin on the course and you don't complain about that!!!!! You are a hypocrite!"

"Don't do drugs on the course."

"POT SHOULDN"T BE DISLEGEAL!!!11!1!1!"

"What?"



There you go. You're all caught up. :)

it hit me like a stroke of lightning....

(before you start mtl.... I lied.... I got bored and came back.... whatever....)

I think I know what is wrong with mtl....

if I tell a lie and the whole world believes it, that does not make it true... nor do I for a second believe that any lie I may or may not tell is true....

mtl is incapable of this.... I think mtl really believes every word that comes out of his mouth to be the truth.... even if multiple combinations of words in the same sentence contridict each other....

but I for one am going to stop harassing him cuz I dont think its his fault... nope... not something he can control.... I am pretty sure the noodle lining between the section of his brain that creates thought and the section that decerns truth has a hole in it.... his thoughts go straight to the truth chamber where they are flagged as such almost before he is finnished thinking them....

and before some of you more mean-spirited posters suggest it... NO.... a lobotomy will NOT solve the problem....

:D

-- all misspelled words misspelled on purpose

see, how could we possibly delete a thread that contains those last two gems? :D

this really gets better and better, i agree.

What do you think swearing LOUDLY, throwing chairs in anger and having a HAIRY ***** hanging out all the time does for this sport?



I believe it was Jesus who said "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone"



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If Jesus did those things, I'd stroke him.

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Now THAT'S funny.

I guess being driven out is better then being driven over /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sporting Appropriate Attire- Do you mean that crappy J. Garcia shirt

ie.
"Congrats to (name withheld to protect the innocent) for not DQing anyone in his group"

Why would you even bring this UP?

He made several comments to many people all weekend about some issues with players in his group.

My post was made in sarcasm. I need to stop using using sarcasm on here b/c people do not understand it. It is not thier fault or mine, just the fault of the medium used.

but WHY do YOU insest on bringing these issues on the message board?

You are correct, I need to stop.

However, in my defense, I never made any reference to anything in the post.

I really enjoyed playing with you on Saturday, as I always do. I hope you saw a tremendous change in my attitude and enjoyed playing with me as well.