Marshall Street Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

The rankings are updated weekly. They are based on head to head competition and quality of opponents. This is a ranking system of all the touring professional disc golfers in the world.

We define touring to mean they compete in 8 leading events in the past year. We define leading event to be a PDGA B-Tier or above, including non-PDGA events that would meet these requirements. In addition, a touring player must also compete in at least 2 big events in the past year. Big events are the USDGC, Worlds, Players Cup (2005 also), MSDGC, European Championships, Japan Open, PDGA NT Events, US Masters, and the Masters division of Worlds.

The rankings, tounaments included, players who have competed in a leading event, and FAQs are all accessible. Feedback is appreciated.

Steve Dodge.

PS. I first mentioned this ranking system on another thread but thought it would be better to keep the two rankings systems (and their respective threads) separate. Thanks to Chuck Kennedy for advising us to include the Masters divisions (although we treat them as a distinct tournament and only include them for A-Tiers and above), I think the rankings are better for it.

Take it back to May 05 and I'd be on the list :) Maybe I'll get on in a couple weeks after Warwick ;)

I like the idea that the "records" of players is a major factor. A guy like a Brian McRee who has only won 1 supertour gets overlooked as a top player. He may have only won 1, but he is always right up there.

Although I'm not a big ratings fan, the fact that I see someone rated around 940 on the list and Gangloff (rated over 1000) is not is kind of rediculous. Looks like the system rewards players for playing a lot more than playing well.

Although I'm not a big ratings fan, the fact that I see someone rated around 940 on the list and Gangloff (rated over 1000) is not is kind of rediculous. Looks like the system rewards players for playing a lot more than playing well.



I think that is true for most competitive ranking systems.

Although I'm not a big ratings fan, the fact that I see someone rated around 940 on the list and Gangloff (rated over 1000) is not is kind of rediculous. Looks like the system rewards players for playing a lot more than playing well.



If "rewards" means "includes" AND if "playing a lot more" means "playing in 8 events, 2 of which are big events", then this is correct. We include anyone who competes enough.

However, I would strongly disagree that being a lesser player and losing to better players is a way to improve your ranking. It may have been a way to improve your rating, but it won't help you in this system.

All that being said, we had to make a cutoff somewhere and Gangloff and Jesper Lundmark and folks of their ilk (great players that don't compete enough to qualify (yet, they will both be included as soon as they play one more big event)) are currently left off of the rankings.

As disc golf grows and a real class of "touring professionals" starts to develop, a higher and higher percentage of the top players will be included in the rankings.

The fellow listed as 100th is not the 100th best player, he is the 100th best "touring player".

The last question in the FAQs (http://www.discgolfranking.com/Rankings/public/view/view_faq) answers how we determined the minimum number of events.

All comments are appreciated.

Perhaps if your criteria more closely matched the PDGA's (i.e. touring pro card holders are considered as such for the calendar year - not on a revolving 12 mo period), a lag between big events wouldn't be a factor for inclusion. For instance - the last NT I played was Raleigh in May 05 (in 06 it wasn't NT anymore) - 2 months prior to the beginning of your data set. The next I play will be Warwick. Not that I'm worried about inclusion - just looking at it from the standpoint of consistent reporting. Perhaps substituting a minimum # of A Tier events - say 3 of your 8 required - could substitute for one of your "Majors". It seems plausible if what you are trying to compare is both participation and high level competition.

That is an interesting point. Does 3 (or 4?) A - Tiers equal the competition of a big event?

So to qualify a player would need 8 events total with either:

A: 2 big events
B: 1 big event and 3 (or 4) A-Tiers
C: 6 (or 8) A-Tiers

Or perhaps another way to do it would be in order to qualify you must have competed against at least 100 other qualified players?

This is a brand new system, and we don't have the touring pros like ball golf or tennis, so setting the qualifying standards is an intriguing process. I am open to all thoughts on this and we can see what works best.

Perhaps if your criteria more closely matched the PDGA's (i.e. touring pro card holders are considered as such for the calendar year - not on a revolving 12 mo period), a lag between big events wouldn't be a factor for inclusion.



One of the goals of this ranking system is to give a week in and week out answer to the "Who's number one" question. While I like consistency, would it be correct for us to include a player who was a PDGA Touring Card Pro but then did not play in any events the following year? Maybe, but their number of wins and losses would become quite small and would lose statistical relevance.

Updated Disc Golf Rankng (http://www.discgolfranking.com/)

Barry wins at Michiana. Blakely impresses with 2nd.

Barry Schultz notched another victory at the Michiana Open, solidifying his hold on 2nd in the rankings. He also lessened the gap between himself and Ken Climo.

The big move of the week was Matthew Blakely. Blakely finished 2nd at Michiana and moved up 4 spots to 39th. He gained 13 wins (and the 1 loss to Barry) for his efforts and his MWP went up 3.3 percentage points. Keep on keepin� on Matthew!

I'm confused. Did Barry win at Michiana and did Matt get 2nd? I mean that wasn't clear at all in your post :D

genuine chuckling ensued.

So what happened to the weekly updates? :) Probably working hard on MSDGC I'll bet. Looking forward to that one.

More likely his new duties as a slave to the Board are wearing him out.

So what happened to the weekly updates? :) Probably working hard on MSDGC I'll bet. Looking forward to that one.



Our code was wreaking havoc with the web host so we had to start from scratch. We have streamlined our calculations and we should be good to go for weekly (weakly?) updates once again. My goal was to have this setup for 2007 and it looks like we have done it.

More features will be added in the future, but for now, enjoy the debating:

Marshall Street Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

I liked it better when, because I had played many big tournament early, I was actually on this top-100. I should have printed that sucker out...

i like my ranking through Marshall Street

yeah, me too. Think I'd be on there if I played USDGC.

It says you must play in @ least 2 big tournies and 8 events. What are big events, A-tiers or better?

i like my ranking through Marshall Street



How is this calculated? Maybe I suck more than I thought.

i like my ranking through Marshall Street



How is this calculated? Maybe I suck more than I thought.



Nevermind on the how is this calculated. I went back and read the thread, now I realize I just suck more than I thought.

Is there any calcualtions past 100? if so where does Ken Franks stand.

Thanks

You're Top 10,000...easily! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

if so where does Ken Franks stand.

Thanks



That guy stands wherever he wants... Who is gonna tell him not to stand there? :D

How often does the World Ranking get updated?

I thought if you were featured on the MSDGC DVD that was worth an automatic 10 MWR points.

Also, doesn't a 1040 rated haircut factor into it this year?

It says you must play in @ least 2 big tournies and 8 events. What are big events, A-tiers or better?



Big events are NTs, Majors, the MSDGC and the 2005 Players Cup.

Thanks! I only played in 7 events anyway, maybe next year I can make the top 100 /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Nevermind on the how is this calculated. I went back and read the thread, now I realize I just suck more than I thought.

Is there any calcualtions past 100? if so where does Ken Franks stand.

Thanks



1. thanks for taking the time to read old posts. :D
2. we have rankings for about 180 players who have had enough qualifying rounds. in the future (maybe a couple months), we will be improving the interface so that everyone will be viewable. right now, under the release early release often philosophy, we've just got the nuts and bolts out there.
3. You are 154th (mwp of 27.9%) sandwiched between larry bledsoe Jr and ron turner.

How often does the World Ranking get updated?



In theory, every week. Although there needs to be a tourney that qualifies for the rankings (B-tiers and above) in order for the data to change.

There are two B-Tiers on January 13th and then none until Feb 1 so the data will change when the Jan 13th data becomes available and then not again until February.

It is probably a safe bet that Ken will still be on top on January 8th!

I thought if you were featured on the MSDGC DVD that was worth an automatic 10 MWR points.

Also, doesn't a 1040 rated haircut factor into it this year?



"A 980 rated golfer, with a 1040 rated haircut." Woof, that was my favorite line of the DVD. I had to stop recording for a bit because I was ROTFLMAO. And then I played it for Jaosn and WWROTFLOAO.

Is "Jaosn" Netspeak for "Jason's always on somebody's nerves"? :p

I only think ny haircut had a 1023 rating.

Matt that was a sweet haircut. I saw the DVD on X-mas night and started crackin up. I guess theres more than one way to get on the dvd if your not that good... :p

Thanks Steve for taking the time and responding to my post. I appreciate all your hard work.

MSDGC DVD is da ShiZZle....

Sandwiched between Bledsoe and Turner, thats good company.

I already have plans for Lickcut version 3.0.

Gotta start growing my hair out so I can get the cornrows....

that is TTruely scary.

You could always do the MulleTThead tribute cut if you grow it out all year up to MSDGC. TriPP would be honored. :D

that is very difficult, hate it when hair is touching my ears.

Gotta start growing my hair out so I can get the cornrows....



I showed up to MSDGC in cornrows. Did you see it?

But by the end, I had a 623-rated haircut. And that's generous.

Geoff Bennett - 42nd
Kim Scott-Wood - 49th
Adam Olsen - 91st

No need to vote. Just give him the award. :eek:

We made three adjustments to this week's ratings:

1. We increased the number of displaed players to 200.
2. We added three tournaments that had previously not reported their scores.
3. We made a tweak to the calculations giving more weight to mwp as compared to wp.

January 8, 2007 World Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

Sweet, I moved up a spot

We made three adjustments to this week's ratings:

1. We increased the number of displaed players to 200.
2. We added three tournaments that had previously not reported their scores.
3. We made a tweak to the calculations giving more weight to mwp as compared to wp.

January 8, 2007 World Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)



Steve, when will we see

4. We added Womens' Rankings today

???

It is being worked on. We've got a couple more tricks up our sleeve too. I have captured all of the ladies data and we just need to determine the most sound way of entering it into the DB. I'd give it 4 to 6 weeks.

No changes this week. As soon as the Savannah Open or Indian Hammocks get the final results up, we will calculate the new rankings.

We have added a couple features, as well as the results of the Savannah Open.

Now you can see the number of events the player has played in the past 18 months (min 8 necessary to qualify), as well as their wins and losses (against other qualified players).

January 15th World Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

We are still tweaking the system and found that we were mistakenly including data from tourneys older than 18 months. This has been fixed and 45 folks who used to be qualified are not anymore.

The next upgrade will degrade the importance of tourneys older than 6 months. Basically, an event will lose 2% of its importance each week. After 50 weeks (just about a year), it will have no weight in the rankings.

No changes this week. As soon as the Savannah Open or Indian Hammocks get the final results up, we will calculate the new rankings.



don't count on the indian hammocks getting results up on the pdga site(usually if they don't put any players on pdga they don't put results there either :p)...you might be able to gather them from the fabulous florida tour site sometime this week though

According to those rankings I AM GOOD!

According to reality I AM ABOVE AVERAGE!

I Like the rankings :)

Kevin, I've watched you putt on the MSDGC videos. You never miss! (at least not in the hot putts section :cool:)

I think it is set up that way.......maybe Im wrong, but maybe not.

Yeah #188! Which I think is misleading with a W/L record of 18-179. If I were a pitcher, I would have been demoted to the minors years ago.

appears the key is play in big events :confused:

You do need to have played in at least 2 big events. And the big events tend to be where players will get a majority of their competition. (playing 100 folks matters a lot more than playing 20)

So yes, big events are more important by the fact that there is more competition. If a B-tier (Southern Nationals comes to mind) has 100+ competitors, that tourney is also going to have a big impact.

Perhaps Southern Nationals should be referred to as a big event for 2007.

Southern nationals is a HUGE event, and therfore should be considered big.

mos def

Rankings updated today:

February 12, 2007 World Disc Golf Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

New tournaments added:

Big Show
Z Boaz
CSUMB Otter Open
6th Buckhorn

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Next Update: Pro Women's Rankings
Next Update after that: Degrade older tournament's importance

mos def



I have him as a friend on myspace... http://www.myspace.com/discgolfnut

....mmmm 39th still seems a bit low after my last 19 1000+ rounds in a row!! and 2nd at players cup.

....mmmm 39th still seems a bit low after my last 19 1000+ rounds in a row!! and 2nd at players cup.



You may be more right than you know. We are currently working to tweak the system to degrade the value of tournaments after they are more than 6 months old. This would probably move you up a bit. Keep up the great playing, I promise we'll notice!

First we add the women.
Second we degrade the value of older tourneys.
Third - well, you'll just have to wait and see. :cool:

more than a hundred! More than the 1000 rated players!

All pros should be world ranked. We all pay the same price, don't we?

Or is this just some sort of hand done model that you are only using on 1000 rated players?

The Marshall Street rankings have both more than a hundred players and players rated under 1000 included. So yeah...

I know that! I'm like 106 on there...

Can anyone tell me why the ranking posted for me on the world ranking is 1008 and everywhere else it is 1010??

And herein lies the confusion. This is not the official PDGA World Rankings thread. Read what it says at the bottom of the PDGA World Rankings about how the ratings are calculated for the World Rankings. For example, only B-tiers and higher ar included and no double weighting.

Rankings updated today:

February 19, 2007 World Disc Golf Rankings

New tournaments added:
Cracked Plastic Classic
Victoria Open
29th Wintertime Open

Awaiting Results:
Barnett Park Championships

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New Stuff:

1. I have added a "Who's Hot" section of rankings over the last 6 months.
2. Older tourneys in the 12 month rankings degrade in importance as indicated.

I know that! I'm like 106 on there...



Than what was the earlier post about?

more than a hundred! More than the 1000 rated players!

All pros should be world ranked. We all pay the same price, don't we?

Or is this just some sort of hand done model that you are only using on 1000 rated players?



I agree that the PDGA should rank all players. I am unranked with a 1000 rating. Guess i needed to play 8 or more sanctioned events in 2006? Who knows? Care to explain?

True World Rankings are for players who play Open in major events. Men who have a rating over 1000 based on at least 12 rounds in B-tiers or higher will get a ranking. However, if you notice the rankings, very few near the bottom of the 100 or so men who are ranked, or lower ranked women near 900 ratings, have played in any of the Majors that are part of the rankings. If men below 1000 (or 900 women) were included, their ranking would be little or no different from where their player rating currently is in rank order.

True World Rankings are for players who play Open in major events. Men who have a rating over 1000 based on at least 12 rounds in B-tiers or higher will get a ranking.



I thought it was 8 rounds. Maybe i was thinking about the "touring pro card." I read about needing 8 rounds somewhere...... Oh, FYI, 20% of my events last year were Majors. :D

True World Rankings are for players who play Open in major events. Men who have a rating over 1000 based on at least 12 rounds in B-tiers or higher will get a ranking. However, if you notice the rankings, very few near the bottom of the 100 or so men who are ranked, or lower ranked women near 900 ratings, have played in any of the Majors that are part of the rankings. If men below 1000 (or 900 women) were included, their ranking would be little or no different from where their player rating currently is in rank order.



This is one of the primary differences in these two ranking systems. The Marshall Street Rankings do not care what your rating is, they only care about who you beat, who beat you, and the quality of folks you are competing against.

Larger events automatically matter more because players compete against more opponents.

However, in order to qualify for the rankings, you must have a minimum number of events under your belt.

This is one of the primary differences in these two ranking systems. The Marshall Street Rankings do not care what your rating is, they only care about who you beat, who beat you, and the quality of folks you are competing against.

Larger events automatically matter more because players compete against more opponents.

However, in order to qualify for the rankings, you must have a mnimum number of events under your belt.



That's how it should be...!

I bet I jump 10 spots at the next ratings update. 30th at the Memorial! Woo!!!

I bet I jump 10 spots at the next ratings update. 30th at the Memorial! Woo!!!



I'm hopin the same...

Hi folks, sorry we missed a week. We were finalizing the women's rankings! Woohoo - the ladies are now ranked too.

Tourneys Added:
The Memorial presented by Discraft
Gentlemen's Club Challenge VIII

Tourneys waiting for results:
Barnett Park Championships
3rd Kohchi Open
Cross Town Open IV
14th Annual Sizzler

March 6th Update:

Top 100 touring Pro Open players (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

NEW: Top 100 touring Pro Women players (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html#prowomen)

I bet I jump 10 spots at the next ratings update. 30th at the Memorial! Woo!!!



I'm hopin the same...



You will probably enjoy the Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) page.

I bet I jump 10 spots at the next ratings update. 30th at the Memorial! Woo!!!



I'm hopin the same...



You will probably enjoy the Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) page.



I thought I would be higher up on the who's hoTT thingy. I mean I was 5th at an A-tier, 3rd at a big B and T2nd at another B and they all had a lot of 1000+ players as well as some <1000 that are on your rankings. The I won a C-tien and the took T 2nd at another B-tier. I don't see how I have 7 wins and 11 losses either? Looking back i won 13 times against 1000+ players and loss 9. If you just include ranked players it is more like 16-9 :confused:

How does it work? I looked at the page discription and didn't really get it. I think Ware was right about the "Big event" thing because almost everyone on there was at the Memorial and the ones that weren't are towards the bottom of the list. :confused

I thought I would be higher up on the who's hoTT thingy. I mean I was 5th at an A-tier, 3rd at a big B and T2nd at another B and they all had a lot of 1000+ players as well as some &lt;1000 that are on your rankings. The I won a C-tien and the took T 2nd at another B-tier. I don't see how I have 7 wins and 11 losses either? Looking back i won 13 times against 1000+ players and loss 9. If you just include ranked players it is more like 16-9



Hi Matt,

In our system, only wins and losses against other qualified folks count. I've compiled a list of your wins and losses and you may have helped me uncover an error (or it could have been human error as it is getting late). I will be double checking on this.

By my manual calculations, your win / loss record should have been 8 &amp; 11 (instead of 7 &amp; 11).

Wins
BIG SHOW
Coda Hatfield
Eric McCabe
Jd Ramirez
Jay Reading
Jake Schlagheck
Z BOAZ
Jay Reading
George r. Smith
Robbie Bratten

Losses
Cale Leiviska
Coda Hatfield
J.d. Ramirez
Eric Mccabe
Barry Schultz
Jake Schlagheck
J.d. Ramirez
Coda Hatfield
Jay Reading
Cale Leiviska
Barry Schultz

As more players that you have competed against become qualified, your record will probably improve. These good showings will definitely show up (over time) in the overall rankings. Keep it up, we notice! :D

hey steve.. have you ever given any thought to doing this for the old guys/gals also that play alot of majors and nt's?

it seems if they are allowed to play them then they could be rated on your scales also...provided you have server space and thought it reasonable to do...

i'm always curious how i would stack up worldwide seeing that i play alot of larger events and do well in some and get hammered in others...

just a thought, and thanks for all your work with the pdga also!

keith

Hi Keith,

Are you asking if I can put more of the old guys in the Pro Open rankings? or are you asking if I can create a Pro Masters ranking category?

If it is the latter, yes, this can be done and probably will be done. We hope to be able to create some Am rankings as well.

If it is the former - including some old fellas in the Pro Open rankings - then this opens up some big questions. I will go ahead and assume that you meant this so I can get these questions out of my fingers:

1. Should the Masters division of a big event (eg, the Memorial) be included as an event? Originally I thought no, because I figured everyone should play in the same division. Then I thought yes because the Masters division at the Memorial ia a pretty tough tournament in and of itself. So now I am including Masters divisions at big events.

The question: should I? I am conflcted on this one.

Steve.

I think the idea for the rankings is cool, however don't think it's fair.

I work a lot and therefore can't travel to big tournaments more than once a year. However, I am 4 for 4 cashing this year in NC, THE hardest place to cash in the country.

How is it fair that someone can play like absolute crap in a few big events and then decently in some small tournaments and be ranked (not saying anyone is like that, only speaking hypothetically) yet a player like me can play almost every weekend cashing most of the time and not be elidgeable?

consider this constructive criticism and not any way trying to get myself ranked or what not, just using my stats as an example because it was easier than finding someone else's :D

Hi Keith,

Are you asking if I can put more of the old guys in the Pro Open rankings? <font color="red"> or are you asking if I can create a Pro Masters ranking category?
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If it is the latter, yes, this can be done and probably will be done. We hope to be able to create some Am rankings as well.
<font color="red"> thanks </font>
If it is the former - including some old fellas in the Pro Open rankings - then this opens up some big questions. I will go ahead and assume that you meant this so I can get these questions out of my fingers:
<font color="red"> you already have several masters aged guys in the open rankings for those that play both open and masters, but there is no way i can see how i would stack up against my age bracket overall as i (and i'm sure lots of other older players) never play open in larger events</font>

1. Should the Masters division of a big event (eg, the Memorial) be included as an event? Originally I thought no, because I figured everyone should play in the same division. Then I thought yes because the Masters division at the Memorial ia a pretty tough tournament in and of itself. So now I am including Masters divisions at big events. <font color="red">this is kinda what i was hoping for as i play alot of atier and nt's around the country and was kinda seeing that i never show up anywhere in rankings no matter what because i never play open in those events </font>

The question: should I? I am conflcted on this one.
<font color="red"> yes please when you have time in your busy schedule....
thanks in advance
keith</font>

Steve.

I thought I would be higher up on the who's hoTT thingy. I mean I was 5th at an A-tier, 3rd at a big B and T2nd at another B and they all had a lot of 1000+ players as well as some <1000 that are on your rankings. The I won a C-tien and the took T 2nd at another B-tier. I don't see how I have 7 wins and 11 losses either? Looking back i won 13 times against 1000+ players and loss 9. If you just include ranked players it is more like 16-9



Hi Matt,

In our system, only wins and losses against other qualified folks count. I've compiled a list of your wins and losses and you may have helped me uncover an error (or it could have been human error as it is getting late). I will be double checking on this.

By my manual calculations, your win / loss record should have been 8 &amp; 11 (instead of 7 &amp; 11).

Wins
BIG SHOW
Coda Hatfield
Eric McCabe
Jd Ramirez
Jay Reading
Jake Schlagheck
Z BOAZ
Jay Reading
George r. Smith
Robbie Bratten

Losses
Cale Leiviska
Coda Hatfield
J.d. Ramirez
Eric Mccabe
Barry Schultz
Jake Schlagheck
J.d. Ramirez
Coda Hatfield
Jay Reading
Cale Leiviska
Barry Schultz

As more players that you have competed against become qualified, your record will probably improve. These good showings will definitely show up (over time) in the overall rankings. Keep it up, we notice! :D



I still don't get is because I never lost to Jake or Yeti and I beat Barry at Z-boaz. :confused: Also Olse should be on my "win" list right? That would make it 11-8 and 12-8 with Olse. I got 3rd at CH and 5th at Boaz meaning a total of 6 losses from those events. You also have me beating JD once and loosing twice which is impossible in two events right? We went 1-1.

Also why are those the only events included?

Sorry to be a pain BTW. :D

Z-Boaz (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6474)

Cedar Hill (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6475)

I think the idea for the rankings is cool, however don't think it's fair.

I work a lot and therefore can't travel to big tournaments more than once a year. However, I am 4 for 4 cashing this year in NC, THE hardest place to cash in the country.

How is it fair that someone can play like absolute crap in a few big events and then decently in some small tournaments and be ranked (not saying anyone is like that, only speaking hypothetically) yet a player like me can play almost every weekend cashing most of the time and not be elidgeable?

consider this constructive criticism and not any way trying to get myself ranked or what not, just using my stats as an example because it was easier than finding someone else's :D



This is World Rankings, not NC regional rankings. Travel to bigger events more.

How is it fair that someone can play like absolute crap in a few big events and then decently in some small tournaments and be ranked (not saying anyone is like that, only speaking hypothetically) yet a player like me can play almost every weekend cashing most of the time and not be elidgeable?



The way I calculate folks being eligible is via the following: Big Events are worth 3 points. Other events are worth 1 point. You need 10 event points to qualify.

I looked at your stats for your B-tiers and above and saw 1 big event and 16 or so other events in the past 12 months. This seems like enough events to me too.

So you know, I tried a run with folks like you in (and also folks that just played in three big events) and you came out in the 160s.

I'll mull this over (and accept other input) and see if we want to adjust the qualifications to allow for more players in this category. Perhaps a combination of big events, other events, and number of players competed against would be a good hybrid system.

I think we are entering into the phase that would be referred to as the vetting process. And it is a good place to be.


I still don't get is because I never lost to Jake or Yeti and I beat Barry at Z-boaz. Also Olse should be on my "win" list right? That would make it 11-8 and 12-8 with Olse. I got 3rd at CH and 5th at Boaz meaning a total of 6 losses from those events. You also have me beating JD once and loosing twice which is impossible in two events right? We went 1-1.



1. Mike Olse only played in two events in the last three months and therefore does not qualify to be on the "Who's Hot" list. Therefore, your win (and loss) to him don't count in the Who's Hot rankings.

2. If I wasn't the head moderator I would cuss. Our data for the Victoria open is incorrect. Yikes, time to check a lot of stuff. This is why you had a loss to Yeti.

3. I am not going to bother trying to defend the rest of your questions, I am just going to try and fix it and figure out where the data got corrupted.


Also why are those the only events included?



In the Who's Hot section, only events in the last 13 weeks are used.


Sorry to be a pain BTW.



You found an error. Thank you. Keep the insight coming.

Count on a big update and maybe some shifts in the rankings next week! :o

I think we are entering into the phase that would be referred to as the vetting process. And it is a good place to be.


I still don't get is because I never lost to Jake or Yeti and I beat Barry at Z-boaz. Also Olse should be on my "win" list right? That would make it 11-8 and 12-8 with Olse. I got 3rd at CH and 5th at Boaz meaning a total of 6 losses from those events. You also have me beating JD once and loosing twice which is impossible in two events right? We went 1-1.



1. Mike Olse only played in two events in the last three months and therefore does not qualify to be on the "Who's Hot" list. Therefore, your win (and loss) to him don't count in the Who's Hot rankings.

2. If I wasn't the head moderator I would cuss. Our data for the Victoria open is incorrect. Yikes, time to check a lot of stuff. This is why you had a loss to Yeti.

3. I am not going to bother trying to defend the rest of your questions, I am just going to try and fix it and figure out where the data got corrupted.


Also why are those the only events included?



In the Who's Hot section, only events in the last 13 weeks are used.


Sorry to be a pain BTW.



You found an error. Thank you. Keep the insight coming.

Count on a big update and maybe some shifts in the rankings next week! :o



I didn't know they needed to have enough points just that they had to be on the top 100 list to be included in the win/loss section.

I still don't see how that all adds up if Victoria is included because I would have 3 wins on Yeti. Anyway no biggie.

I don't see how I have 7 wins and 11 losses either? Looking back i won 13 times against 1000+ players and loss 9. If you just include ranked players it is more like 16-9



After fixing the Victoria Open &amp; Z Boaz data, you are 14.5 &amp; 8.5 and you are 31st on the Who's Hot list. I am not going to update the page until I double check quite a few more tourneys. Thanks for the heads up.

I don't see how I have 7 wins and 11 losses either? Looking back i won 13 times against 1000+ players and loss 9. If you just include ranked players it is more like 16-9



After fixing the Victoria Open &amp; Z Boaz data, you are 14.5 &amp; 8.5 and you are 31st on the Who's Hot list. I am not going to update the page until I double check quite a few more tourneys. Thanks for the heads up.



No problem even thoug I was the problem. :D

I found the error! I pulled the data before the final round was entered online. We will need to go back and double checkk all the data.

Just so you know Matt, Yeti was beating you after 2 rounds at the Victoria!

How is it fair that someone can play like absolute crap in a few big events and then decently in some small tournaments and be ranked (not saying anyone is like that, only speaking hypothetically) yet a player like me can play almost every weekend cashing most of the time and not be elidgeable?



The way I calculate folks being eligible is via the following: Big Events are worth 3 points. Other events are worth 1 point. You need 10 event points to qualify.

I looked at your stats for your B-tiers and above and saw 1 big event and 16 or so other events in the past 12 months. This seems like enough events to me too.

So you know, I tried a run with folks like you in (and also folks that just played in three big events) and you came out in the 160s.

I'll mull this over (and accept other input) and see if we want to adjust the qualifications to allow for more players in this category. Perhaps a combination of big events, other events, and number of players competed against would be a good hybrid system.



Interesting stuff...thanks!

I found the error! I pulled the data before the final round was entered online. We will need to go back and double checkk all the data.

Just so you know Matt, Yeti was beating you after 2 rounds at the Victoria!

I'd hope so! After the 1st half of the 1st round my DayQuil stopped working and the massive headache arrived. Plus I was really stupid and didn't eat that morning or the night vefore and forgot to bring water. Moral of the story is stupid things=bad scores. :D

you forgot to reply me from my post at 9:18 am on 3/8 :(

you forgot to reply me from my post at 9:18 am on 3/8 :(



Sorry Keith, I did not think a reply was necessary. I will try to implement a Pro Master (and Am) rankings as time permits. Perhaps it will be a ranking based on 1/1/2007 and forward.

I especially like this idea as it solves the "should masters divisions be considered an event for the rankings" - the answer simply becomes, "yes, for the masters division"

I found the error! I pulled the data before the final round was entered online. We will need to go back and double checkk all the data.

Just so you know Matt, Yeti was beating you after 2 rounds at the Victoria!

I'd hope so! After the 1st half of the 1st round my DayQuil stopped working and the massive headache arrived. Plus I was really stupid and didn't eat that morning or the night vefore and forgot to bring water. Moral of the story is stupid things=bad scores. :D

No, Stupid is, as Stupid does.

that reply was fine..i was just trying to make sure it didn't get lost in all the responses that followed my post..

thanks again!!!!!

keith

there's always an excuse...

World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

1. We added a "move" column
2. Pro Masters have been added - just data from 2007 for now
3. Some tournament data has been corrected (this should look better Matt)

Tourneys Added:
British Open
Melbourne Open
Plastic Pilots El Dorado Open 11
Lumberjack Open - Sunday

Tourneys waiting for results:
Barnett Park Championships
3rd Kohchi Open
Cross Town Open IV
14th Annual Sizzler
21st Kyushu Open

World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

2. Pro Masters have been added - just data from 2007 for now





THANKS FROM ONE OF THE OLD GUYS!!!! :D

but c'mon steve :D...if you had gone to top 50 i would be there for sure in masters, if you go back to beginning of november'06 i would be in the top 25 now....your formula looks semi-complicated, but in '07 i've played 2 events as have 4 others that played both(vegas & memorial) and have gone 1-1 against billy lane and dwight house, 0-1-1 against jeff fielder and 0-2 against harold hampton(the only one to make your list)

hoping to get on it sometime in the future when you have more time to expand to top 50 or get data from last 4 months in like the other lists :eek: :D...THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!

keith

I like that Joey Mela is currently 9th in Open, but 14th in Masters...

Keith, with '07 data, you were 41st with a w/l record of 18 &amp; 47. Interestingly, you are just below Pete Johnson - a New England native who I like to beat, but often don't/

I like that Joey Mela is currently 9th in Open, but 14th in Masters...



I noticed that too. I guess with the Masters events not counting in Open anymore, this kind of thing can happen. It gives me pause. And a smile.

I like that Joey Mela is currently 9th in Open, but 14th in Masters...



When I was in the middle school band we had a guy who was second chair all state on trumpet and was 3rd chair trumpet in our band.

woohoooo, I am hoTT sun

I like that Joey Mela is currently 9th in Open, but 14th in Masters...



I noticed that too. I guess with the Masters events not counting in Open anymore, this kind of thing can happen. It gives me pause. And a smile.



It makes sense because Master's data is only from 2007 and Joey has only played one tourney. Whereas the Open Data is going back a year and includes the MSDGC, the USDGC, and the Player's Cup among his other events. Just funny to me.

World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

2. Pro Masters have been added - just data from 2007 for now





THANKS FROM ONE OF THE OLD GUYS!!!! :D

but c'mon steve :D...if you had gone to top 50 i would be there for sure in masters, if you go back to beginning of november'06 i would be in the top 25 now....



steve writes:
Keith, with '07 data, you were 41st with a w/l record of 18 & 47. Interestingly, you are just below Pete Johnson


wooohooo...without knowing how steve gets the data acccomplished i correctly figured my positioning, and pretty much bet that going back to nov '06 i would have been top 25 for sure due to the fact i never finished lower than 5th place in about 4-5 pdga events until the memorial this year!

look forward to being on the list after the hall of fame classic (if you don't expand to 50 before then), as i'll have a b-tier and the nt on my stats then :D

keith

2 ZZ in the top 65

World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who;s Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

1. Addad a "Weeks" column. This is the number of weeks at this ranking. (starting last week)
2. Added a "Last" column. This is the player's ranking last week. (eg. Anthon moved from 5th to 3rd with his St. Pats win)
3. Tourneys are now being updated each week for Pro Open, Pro Women and Pro Masters.

Tourneys Added:
St. Patrick's Day Classic
9th Red Rock Show
Emerald Isle Open (EIEIO)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Barnett Park Championships
3rd Kohchi Open
Cross Town Open IV
14th Annual Sizzler
21st Kyushu Open
7th Secret Squirrel Soiree
Duke Fest

What James "The Legend" McCain is numero uno?

3 events. no one qualified has beaten him this year. numbers don't lie. (although little numbers may be misleading. :p)

he is good!

I should take a screen shot for posterity.

Vinnie, how did it feel to whip number tied-for-first? :D

Steve, does this predict the final four? It might have North Carolina, Kansas, Florida, and Long Beach State. :p

What James "The Legend" McCain is numero uno?


Number 1! It was never a question of IF but WHEN

it appears James "the blunt" mccaine has teken all of Hemme's disc golf powers... where you throwing left handed this past weekend steve??? :D:p

I thought I would salute Father Dave and throw an entire tournament with my toe :p

where you throwing left handed this past weekend steve??? :D:p



He was intimidated , by my manly prowess...... :D

It was fun , thanks for the good times hemme!

I already knew the "Legend" was #1...but how does Coda move down with a win

how is that I am not on the list :confused:

you are so high on the list that you can not even be seen...Super#1 :o

how is that I am not on the list :confused:



Because usually you man up and play Open so you don't have enough points to qualify.

:o:o:o

at least I man up /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'm not sure how this works, but why don't master aged players get credit for the people they play in open?

btw Matt, you really should slow down on the man-up talk, knowing your history of dominating kids and ams, all the while you were eligible for pros.

I'm not sure how this works, but why don't master aged players get credit for the people they play in open?

btw Matt, you really should slow down on the man-up talk, knowing your history of dominating kids and ams, all the while you were eligible for pros.



That's why I was playing Pro when I was 13 eh? I played up in open a lot of times before I moved up James.

I already knew the "Legend" was #1...but how does Coda move down with a win



I did not notice this but the question made me run some tests. I think this happened due to our degrading of older tourneys not working properly.

We are looking at the code to make sure it is running as designed. Thanks for the catch, I'll post again once we straighten it out.

(or as soon as James McCaine isn't on the top of the Pro Masters, whichever comes first ) :D

how is that I am not on the list :confused:



The manning up comment is half right. The Pro Masters rankings started on January 1 and I am including players with 3 Event Points or more in the rankings. (Vinnie, you've got 2 event points - according to my numbers)

Big Events (NTs, Majors, the MSDGC, Southern Nationals) are worth 5 event points. Other events (down to b-tier sized events) are worth 1 event point.

Play in one more event as a Pro Master and you'll make the cut - and knock James out of first.

World Rankings (4/3/2007) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (4/3/2007) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

1. Added Masters events back to 2006 Worlds
2. An error with the iterations was corrected. The rankings now more heavily take into account strength of schedule. (which is why the MWP of the top players went up)
3. We still have one error in the code regarding tournaments not degrading at the proper rate. Until we get this fixed, there is no tournament degradation.

Tourneys Added:
12th Texas State Championships
23rd Dogwood Crosstown Classic - Pro
Stafford Lake Pro/Am Open
Gator Country Classic (3/24)
Aloha Sushi Classic (3/24)
Sherando Spring Breakout (3/24)
7th Secret Squirrel Soiree (3/17)
14th Annual Sizzler (3/4)
Cross Town Open IV (3/4)
Barnett Park Championships (2/10)

Tourneys waiting for results:
3rd Kohchi Open
21st Kyushu Open
Duke Fest

Do you add ALL the tournies from the previous week?

We add B-Tier and above PDGA events as their results are posted.

World Rankings (4/3/2007) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (4/3/2007) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

1. Added Masters events back to 2006 Worlds




of course...when you finally expand the listings you go back to worlds which is when i was injured and got beat by 2,474 masters players :D, instead of november of '06 when i was cashing at every event, :eek: so that i don't show on your list :p...

when does worlds come off for masters players so i might show up, seeing that i have a pretty good won-loss record against most everyone from 15 or so on down after november??

thanks in advance as i'm.......

hoping to one day be on <font color="red"> <u>THE</u> </font> list...

keith

Events drop off completely one year after they've been played. In theory, after six months, the importance of the event begins to degrade (by 4% each week), but we just found a bug in this section and hope to have it fixed by our next updgrade.

KJ, sorry I didn't PM you to find out the ideal starting date. :D

it's ok steve...
i was just hoping to one day make it..
if i keep playing well through worlds i will get on it once '06 worlds comes off... because i'm guessing that loosing 2,474 losses will help my won-loss % :D

i will guarantee that i'll be on it after '06 worlds come off!!

keith

What sucks about that is winning 2 C teirs in 2 weeks with 20 plus Open players at each and averaging 1016 AND throwing a 1060 rated round and its all for NOTHING as far as world rankings are concerned...

Worse off, Is I might fall a few spots too....sad

At least "I'm Hot"

What sucks about that is winning 2 C teirs in 2 weeks with 20 plus Open players at each and averaging 1016 AND throwing a 1060 rated round and its all for NOTHING as far as world rankings are concerned...

Worse off, Is I might fall a few spots too....sad

At least "I'm Hot"



Just be happy you can go to events that have more than 4 or 5 ranked players. Most B-tiers in TX have 1/3 the amount of ranked players than most areas. Heck you got more wins from the memorial than I have had all year.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street's Who's Hot! (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
7th Annual Tar Heel Tournament
Riverside Drive

Tourneys waiting for results:
3rd Kohchi Open
21st Kyushu Open
Duke Fest
Easter Open
5th Saga Open
Grapevine Classic

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street Who's Hot! (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Coda Hatfield moves up two spots.
Jason Light gets enough events to qualify and jumps into 12th.

Tourneys Added:
8th Pecan Park Open
Azalea Tournament
Higher Flyer Memorial
Bowling Green Open
Grapevine Classic (4/7)
Easter Open (4/7)

Tourneys waiting for results:
3rd Kohchi Open (2/24)
21st Kyushu Open (3/10)
Duke Fest (3/17)
5th Saga Open (4/7)
Bayville Spring Pro/Am (4/14)
Philly Open - 30th Anniversary (4/14)
Steel City Shootout (4/14)
10th Annual Newport News Spring Pro/Am (4/14)
Spring Fever Fling (4/14)

very interesting. JD ramirez wins yet another event but drops in the so called who's hot standings.. sounds flawed. :confused: very similiar to the rating system :o

Thanks for checking our numbers.

This point gave me pause. After a review of the data, there are 11 new players on the Who's Hot list above JD. JD lost four spots total. So relative to the players that were on the list last week, JD gained 7 spots.

What you see is caused by the Bowling Green Open qualifying a large number of folks for the Who's Hot rankings.

Clear as mud?

Steve.

PS. You can tell the new players as they are the folks with a dash in the "Last" column.

ok thanks

I still think its rediculous that players that I'm consistently beating are on the list and I'm easily cashing in the toughest area in the world to cash in every weekend that I'm not qualified for the list b/c I didnt play X number of majors last year.

If you win over 1,000 or 1,500 or whatever, you should be qualified

*note - this is no way is about me, just random feelings I have about this system. I only use me as an example b/c I know what I am saying is fact b/c I'm using me as an example*

welcome to the PDGA :D:p its who you know not how you play.... ;)

Hello Robert,

You are ranked. I liked your point and lowered the number of big events to 1 (but if only 1 big event was played, you would need more small events). You've got plenty and you are ranked.

Your current ranking is 137 and I suspect worlds, hotlanta, VA Open and the charlotte open are a lot of the reason. last week you jumped from 152 to 137, that's huge!

Here is a quick copy / paste of you and folks around you:

129 Up Mitch Sonderfan 11 18.88 45.4 18.32% 0 141
130 Up Dagon Owen 11 57.68 179.04 18.04% 0 136
131 Up Bob Graham 8 40.22 114.7 17.73% 0 143
132 Down Tony Hoel 15 42.88 123.04 17.65% 0 129
133 Up Travis Sauls 17 64.84 150.16 17.25% 0 148
134 Up Terry Miller 13 29.0 71.0 17.13% 0 146
135 Up Justin Madore 9 37.3 107.34 17.02% 0 142
136 Up Christopher Horn 6 27.04 62.24 16.99% 0 145
137 Up Robert Leonard 19 38.06 131.94 16.25% 0 152
138 Down Tony Gerling 11 66.96 183.36 16.01% 0 137
139 Up Lane Mason 9 31.22 126.9 15.74% 0 140
140 Up Blane Light 16 54.26 158.66 15.63% 0 147
141 Up Zak Martin 11 38.62 87.5 14.27% 0 150

keep the comments coming.

welcome to the PDGA :D:p its who you know not how you play.... ;)



these are the Marshall Street rankings. the PDGA rankings are different.

awesome!! Glad to see my name on there finally after playing the best golf of my life to start 07.

Hopefully I can continue and crack the top 100!

129 Up Mitch Sonderfan 11 18.88 45.4 18.32% 0 141
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137 Up Robert Leonard 19 38.06 131.94 16.25% 0 152



Mittenz owns MTL! :D

hahaha well, he is a better player than me - that helps!

April 24th Update - Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
April 24th - Who's Hot! (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

David Feldberg wins the Hall of Fame Classic and jumps two spots.
Pro Masters number of qualified events is raised to 8 with at least 1 big event. This number will keep going up as we approach a full year of events.

Tourneys Added:
Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic
CCR Open
Ft. Steilacoom Spring Classic
Ironwood Open
Vintage Cup
Spring Fever Fling (4/14)
Steel City Shootout (4/14)
Philly Open - 30th Anniversary (4/14)
Bayville Spring Pro/Am (4/14)

Tourneys waiting for results:
3rd Kohchi Open (2/24)
21st Kyushu Open (3/10)
Duke Fest (3/17)
5th Saga Open (4/7)
Graceland Open (4/14)
10th Annual Newport News Spring Pro/Am (4/14)
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
Texas Women's Championship (4/21)

Bennett should have jumped. Seems he should have, at least.

Have you ever noticed you always get caught trying to cut corners? I goofed running the rankings and had to rerun them. Rather than going back and running last week's numbers and then rerun this week's (to get the up and down for everyone), I just entered the data for the top 25 or so players.

I am confident that Bennett moved up quite a bit with that strong showing. And maybe after I get caught up I'll go back and rerun the numbers to see how much.

Good catch Matt. Got that tee sign artwork for me yet? :D

YESSSSSS!!!!

finally made THE list!!!

once i actually learn how to play,and the injured/ older events come off, i might keep moving up :)

thanks steve!!!

it was great to meet you this past week at the idgc

keith

http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_re...eRatings=1#Open (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6838&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)

here's a new one to add to the rankings from last weekend...

http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_re...eRatings=1#Open (http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6838&amp;year=2007&amp;incl udeRatings=1#Open)

here's a new one to add to the rankings from last weekend...



I missed that one. Franks you are currently 108 and when Graceland goes in (next Tuesday), you should move into the top 100.

Nice catch,

Steve.

I finished 2nd back to back weeks (Philly Open and April Showers). When will I see myself on this list?!?!?

I finished 2nd back to back weeks (Philly Open and April Showers). When will I see myself on this list?!?!?



These are rankings for Pro Open, Women, and Masters, not baggers!

j/k :D

I'm looking forward to this next update...

I finished 2nd back to back weeks (Philly Open and April Showers). When will I see myself on this list?!?!?



These are rankings for Pro Open, Women, and Masters, not baggers!

j/k :D



like a carpetbagger?

I thought one needs skill to be defined as a bagger.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot! (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Graceland Open (4/21)
Lexington Open IX (4/28)
Seneca Creek Soiree (4/28)
Griffin Park Open (4/28)
Paul Giles Memorial (4/28)
Walk the Plank Challenge (4/28)
Standing Rocks Open (4/28)

Tourneys waiting for results:
3rd Kohchi Open (2/24)
21st Kyushu Open (3/10)
Duke Fest (3/17)
5th Saga Open (4/7)
10th Annual Newport News Spring Pro/Am (4/14)
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
Texas Women's Championship (4/21)
18th Tokyo Open (4/28)
Creekside Open (4/28)
Grateful Disc Spring Frisbee Festival (4/28)
Great Northwest Open (4/28)
Stephens County Pro Am (4/28)

no maple hill 3....CMON.

no maple hill 3....CMON.



The lazy bum TD didn't grow the payout big enough to be included. Nice deuce on 10 though.

I'm looking forward to this next update...



With two new folks qualifying for the rankings, you still managed to move up 7 spots, by far more than anybody. You are starting to whittle away at that 115th place finish at the USDGC. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'm looking forward to this next update...



With two new folks qualifying for the rankings, you still managed to move up 7 spots, by far more than anybody. You are starting to whittle away at that 115th place finish at the USDGC. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Thanks for reminding me, Steve... :D

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Who's Hot (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
3rd Kohchi Open (2/24)
Loriella Challenge (3/4)
21st Kyushu Open (3/10)
10th Annual Newport News Spring Pro/Am (4/14)
Texas Women's Championship (4/21)
Grateful Disc Spring Frisbee Festival (4/28)
Great Northwest Open (4/28)
Stephens County Pro Am (4/28)
Golden State Classic (5/5)
Disc 'n Dat Bluegrass Open (5/5)
3rd Annual Discrazy Shootout (5/5)
Flightline Open (5/5)
PA State Championships (5/5)
White River Open (5/5)
Dynamic Discs Safari (5/5)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Duke Fest (3/17)
5th Saga Open (4/7)
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
18th Tokyo Open (4/28)
Creekside Open (4/28)
7th Minamisoma Open (5/5)
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Copenhagen Open (5/5)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)
Mountain Disc Golf Experience (5/5)
Mayhem Open - Pro/Adv (5/5)
Murfreesboro World's Biggest (5/5)
The B-Line Presents Loco at the Mills II (5/5)

Man, The USDGC is keeping me out the top 30, happy to move up to 97th though...

I hate that Bob Barker...

I just remain the same...only a matter of time before i get swooped up by THE GGEMM

This week we converted the Who's Hot table into a 2007 Player of the Year table.

Marshall Street's 2007 Player of the Year (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) (so far)
Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)

Tourneys Added:
River Cities Rumble (5/12)
Alamance County Shootout (5/12)
The B-Line Presents Loco at the Mills II (5/5)
Mayhem Open - Pro/Adv (5/5)
Mountain Disc Golf Experience (5/5)
Copenhagen Open (5/5)
Creekside Open (4/28)
5th Saga Open (4/7)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Duke Fest (3/17)
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
18th Tokyo Open (4/28)
7th Minamisoma Open (5/5)
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)
Murfreesboro World's Biggest (5/5)
16th Hall of Chains Classic (5/12)
2nd Kiyosato Open (5/12)
Colorado Open (5/12)
Falk�ping Open (5/12)
Motherlode - Pro (5/12)

just curious to know how far out of top 100 I am now?

just curious to know how far out of top 100 I am now?



Here ya go! You and the Jeffersons, moving on up.

120 - Donald Ellsworth 9 48.2 109.76 20.69% 1 120
121 Up Adam Goodman 4 26.5 58.82 20.32% 0 122
122 Up Bill Themm 8 39.28 99.04 19.94% 0 127
123 Up Cory Sharp 7 50.54 135.34 19.59% 0 126
124 - Richard Thompson 6 39.0 83.0 18.61% 1 124
125 Up Robert Leonard 19 39.72 112.16 17.64% 0 129
126 Up Mitch Sonderfan 11 16.2 39.8 16.62% 0 128
127 Up Bob Graham 8 30.74 93.34 16.56% 0 133
128 Up Dagon Owen 9 46.64 151.76 16.43% 0 132
129 Up Timothy e. Walsh 6 37.78 107.94 16.35% 0 131
130 - Travis Sauls 16 61.96 136.8 16.31% 1 130

25 spots to go!!

playing two A tiers back to back should help (if I play good that is )

And the 2007 Rankings have you even higher:

40 Up Stephen Miller 6 17.0 12.0 75.24% 0 41
41 Up Chris Lee 5 30.0 15.0 75.01% 0 42
42 Down Chris Boro 5 88.5 52.5 74.16% 0 38
43 - Brett Rousseau 5 46.0 21.0 71.11% 0 43
44 - Mike Gerads 5 87.0 51.0 69.93% 0 44
45 - Aleksey Bubis 3 47.0 31.0 69.03% 0 45
46 - Robert Leonard 6 29.5 18.5 68.88% 0 46
47 Up Jay Reading 10 146.0 104.0 67.70% 0 50
48 Down Patrick Blazek 3 38.0 23.0 67.20% 0 47
49 Down Rand Eberhard 3 34.0 19.0 67.15% 0 48
50 Up Phil Arthur 5 108.0 69.0 66.73% 0 51

2007 Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

very cool!

This week we converted the Who's Hot table into a 2007 Player of the Year table.

Marshall Street's 2007 Player of the Year (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) (so far)
Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)




ok steve...you asked me to stay on top of this and i am....

here goes...you have me with these stats since pro worlds....
44 - Keith Johnson 9 24.84 61.6 18.10% 1 44

i have played 2 majors(3 if usdgc is classified as a major on your chart), and 9 other events 3 a-tier, 3 b-tier, and 3 c-tier....
meaning i should have 19 or 24 points instead of 9...
also alot of players on the masters chart have been in events i've played, so i should show more than 90 total in won-loss columns....unless i'm not figuring the formula right.....which is very possible because i don't know how you work the voodoo you do :D

anyways...let me know what the deal is so i can keep busting butt to move up...
2 a-tiers and a c-tier in the next 3 weeks should have me pulling a "jeffersons"

thanks again for all you do

keith

Hi Keith,

Here is what I've got since Worlds.

Golden State Classic 2007-05-05 13th
Stephens County Pro Am 2007-04-28 3rd
Disc Golf Hall of Fame Classic 2007-04-21 22nd
7th Secret Squirrel Soiree 2007-03-17 7th
The Memorial presented by Discraft 2007-03-03 45th
Gentlemen's Club Challenge VIII 2007-02-24 5th
Squirrelfest IV 2006-11-11 2nd
Las Vegas Halloween Classic 2006-11-04 3rd
United States Disc Golf Championship,, 2006-10-14 171st
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships 2006-08-11 54th

10 Events
USDGC is counted as a Pro Open event, so 9 Pro Masters events. The "event points" are tallied behind the scenes, this is why it shows up as 9 events.

(This same logic explains why some folks are ranked with just 2 events (David Greenwell would be a prime example.))

Regarding the number of wins, any tourney that is over 6 months old has the value of the wins degraded by 4% each week (until after a year they are worth nothing in the rankings). Therefore, your 54th out of 58 at Worlds (over 6 months ago) is going to count less and less in your rankings. If you stopped playing, you would be able to watch your losses go down quicker than your wins due to the degradation of this one event.

Clear as mud?

Steve.

PS. Your question makes me wonder if the USDGC should be counted as a tourney for the Pro Masters as well. And perhaps the Players Cup, MSDGC and any other big events that don't offer a masters division. This would cause some confusion behind the scenes as some Pro Open players would get a Pro Masters event, but it should not cause any real harm - unless someone plays in all three and qualifies for the Pro Masters rankings as a Pro Open player. Anyway, I'm going to stop typing aa I think and go to bed. It is after 9:00!

i was counting my event(forsyth county open which i played in open) and not counting worlds -

thanks for the clear muddy explanation....
i like my voodoo theory better :D

i won't stop playing... so i'll just have to play better and wait intil august when worlds drops off and then i can rocket up the chart!

i think leaving the players playing in the masters divisions out of open rankings and vice-versa will be easier for youy to track and make more sense anyways as there CLEARLY is a difference in mentality and dollars in the division that players played in...

i say leave that part as it is and the players that do bounce back and forth can see how they rate in each bracket...

thanks again...

keith

why does it matter
I am not even on the master list and clearly better than most on the list..........on the course is where it matters

why does it matter
I am not even on the master list and clearly better than most on the list..........on the course is where it matters



you don't travel enough to count vinnie :D
you have to play bigger events than the little texas c-tiers that you crush the other old guys on for it to get you on the list :eek:

lets settle it at worlds this year when i won't be injured and then you can talk! :D

keith

lmao....I'll let you tell it!

why does it matter
I am not even on the master list and clearly better than most on the list..........on the course is where it matters



Every comment has a truckload of grains of truth to it. Vinnie, I went back and looked at your scores and it seemed like you had enough Pro Masters events to qualify for the rankings. I then reran the rankings and you were not included. I then double checked all of the events and Pro Masters Worlds was not marked as a big event.

Pro Open and Pro Women were correct. Apparently when I went back and added the Pro Masters scores, I plum forgot to check that important box.

Now I'd love some input on what a "Big" pro master event is. The NTs, Worlds, US Masters. Are there any others?

Steve.

PS. I reran the rankings after making Pro Worlds a major and Vinnie, you are in fact better than most of the players on the list. You are 15th in fact. Joe Thacker, Joel Kelly, Scott Papa, Tim Keith and Mitch McClellan are other notables that were added due to this correction.

Pro Masters Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html#promasters)

PPS. Keith, you moved down to 61st - and are back off the list. :eek:

why does it matter
I am not even on the master list and clearly better than most on the list..........on the course is where it matters



What 'chu talkin about boy? (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html#promasters)

I see ya as #15.
Even better then ME!? (take away a little last hole 5 circle 13 &amp; things would look a bit different!) :o

PPS. Keith, you moved down to 61st - and are back off the list. :eek:



**** YOU TO HELL VINNIE!!!!! :D

lmao........Steve did it ;)
I'll be a kcwide open...if you want some

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Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) (so far)

Tourneys Added:
Steady Ed Memorial Masters Cup (5/19)
Lakefront Open (5/19)
Pratt Hot &amp; Cold Classic (5/19)
Sarasota Sky Pilots Pro Open (5/19)
Tower Ridge Open - Pro / Adv (5/19)
Wakanda Park Open - Pro / Adv (5/19)
Capital of Texas Open (5/19)
St. Louis Open (5/19)
Motherlode - Pro (5/12)
Murfreesboro World's Biggest (5/5)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Duke Fest (3/17)
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
18th Tokyo Open (4/28)
7th Minamisoma Open (5/5)
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)
16th Hall of Chains Classic (5/12)
2nd Kiyosato Open (5/12)
Colorado Open (5/12)
Falk�ping Open (5/12)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)

Nate Doss moves to #1 in the 2007 PoY Rankings.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html) (so far)

Tourneys Added:
Beaver State Fling
Greater Des Moines Challenge
Rocket City Super Tournament
29th Norman Pro/Am
Greater Milwaukee Open
Rochester Flying Disc Open
16th Hall of Chains Classic (5/12)
2nd Kiyosato Open (5/12)
7th Minamisoma Open (5/5)
18th Tokyo Open (4/28)
Seven Hills Hurlers Open (4/21)
Duke Fest (3/17)

Tourneys waiting for results:
10th Chu-Shikoku Open (4/21)
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)
Colorado Open (5/12)
Falk�ping Open (5/12)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)
12th Dutch Open (5/26)
Virginia Open (5/26)
SM Tour - Nokia Open (5/26)

Ken Climo moves back to 1st in 2007 Rankings with his win at Minnesota Majestic.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Atlanta Open
Minnesota Majestic
12th Annual KOA Pro/Am Jam
Aspen Sports Treebash Open
Discraft Shoot the Breeze Open
Dragan Championships
Summertime Open
Virginia Open (5/26)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)
Colorado Open (5/12)
Falk�ping Open (5/12)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
SM Tour - Nokia Open (5/26)
13th Michiana Open (6/2)
18th Annual Doo Dah Open (6/2)
Lilac City Open (6/2)

so after 6th in ATL, where am I now?

so after 6th in ATL, where am I now?



me too? :Dafter cashing 2 weeks ago(c-tier), not cashing last week(supertour)and cashing this past weekend(supertour) how far have i dropped from 62nd place? :p

so after 6th in ATL, where am I now?



It looks like the VA Open knocked you down a bit and Atlanta pulled you back up.

118 Corey Wisenburg 7 53.2 87.24 29.25% 0 120
119 Zack Rogers 16 75.36 134.32 28.18% 0 118
120 Eddie Ogburn 12 55.78 102.98 27.84% 0 121
121 Paul Ulibarri 8 82.44 179.44 27.73% 0 122
122 Logan Sheets 13 50.26 97.86 27.02% 0 123
123 Robert Leonard 20 55.5 108.3 26.77% 0 131
124 - Jim Davidson 6 44.46 104.22 25.79% 1 124
125 Richard Thompson 6 69.44 100.68 25.75% 0 126
126 Jack Schmalfeld 9 61.28 125.08 25.08% 0 125
127 Karl Johan Nybo 7 40.22 66.38 22.84% 0 128
128 Donald Ellsworth 9 47.7 105.98 22.43% 0 129

----------------

Pro Masters

83 - Steve Harden 4 12.28 30.4 19.98% 1 83
84 Reese Swinea 7 29.12 66.08 19.91% 0 82
85 Mario Roblez 8 22.52 58.28 19.42% 0 84
86 Keith Johnson 11 38.18 89.46 18.05% 0 85
87 Kent La 6 23.96 61.56 17.55% 0 86
88 A. lewis 5 8.82 15.66 16.41% 0 99
89 Dean Pfeifer 7 11.54 33.86 16.15% 0 87

yep, definately the key to moving up is to quit playing disc golf permanately

thanks steve

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Tourneys Added:
Discraft Great Lakes Open
5th Annual "Steady Ed" Birthday Memorial
Brandenburg Open #16 - The Larry Mehal Memorial
Fox Valley Open
Jacksonville Open
Waco Charity Open
Lilac City Open (6/2)
18th Annual Doo Dah Open (6/2)
Falk�ping Open (5/12)
Fun N' Sun - Pro (5/5)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)
Colorado Open (5/12)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
SM Tour - Nokia Open (5/26)
13th Michiana Open (6/2)
Akagi Open (6/9)
Rio Pueblo Open (6/9)
SM Tour - Sk�pa � �pen (6/9)
Star City Shoot-out (6/9)

I am no longer on the HoTT lisTT, oh well, the temp must have goTTen too cool here inda Cackalack.

Will the Circus City Open be included in this list? It had over 2000 added cash and is usually a B tier, but DGLO was moved to the same weekend and it was not allowed sanctioning. 50+ pros still showed up.

Any event that meets the requirements of a B-tier or more can be included. Email me the results. These rankings are the world rankings and not just the PDGA rankings, therefore they include the MSDGC and if you send the results and the requirements are met, they will include the Circus City Open.

Steve.

PS. Sorry to hear you could not get sanctioning.

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Tourneys Added:
High Plains Challenge V
9th Riverside Open
Franklin-Simpson Open - ATT Bluegrass Series
Star City Shoot-out (6/9)
Rio Pueblo Open (6/9)
13th Michiana Open (6/2)
SM Tour - Nokia Open (5/26)
Battle of the BADGE (5/5)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Colorado Open (5/12)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Idaho Masters (6/16)
OK Championship / Haikey Classic (6/16)

For the first time since we've been calculating rankings, Ken Climo is not ranked #1. Nate Doss claims the #1 spot with his second place finish at the KC Wide Open. Kyle Crabtree jumps five spots to 28th with his first NT win.

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Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Kansas City Wide Open
6th Annual Montrose Open
Calapooia Classic
Flying Saucer Third Coast Challenge
Silver Springs Shootout
OK Championship / Haikey Classic (6/16)
Idaho Masters (6/16)
Geneva Open 07 (5/19)
Colorado Open (5/12)

Tourneys waiting for results:
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)

am i still dropping? :eek:

am i still dropping? :eek:



You are now #99, just five spots below Reese.

I just remain the same...only a matter of time before i get swooped up by THE GGEMM



Swoop Swoop.

64 Bard Soleng 11 101.74 90.98 58.15% 0 44
65 Ken Franks 15 153.18 132.7 58.00% 0 69
66 Sjur Soleng 6 49.72 48.6 56.40% 0 65

Comin to getcha!

Big jump. 110 to 86!!!

WOW i'm ranked 4th in the masters, I'm glad somebody is impressed with my game!

TK

am i still dropping? :eek:



You are now #99, just five spots below Reese.



thanks for the latest news...how long before i drop off the list and you don't have to worry about be bugging you anymore? :eek: :D

the tailspin is getting harder to climb out of and with worlds pro masters having only 5 people below my rating and 20+ 990 and higher rated masters,if i don't finish in the top 5 there i'll probably drop to 200 out of 204 pro masters that even play more than once a year :(
even with last years worlds coming off the charts

thanks for the confidence boost steve! :D

keith


ps.... keep up the good work...i still enjoy seeing how people that know how to play disc golf do on the rankings

I just remain the same...only a matter of time before i get swooped up by THE GGEMM



Swoop Swoop.

64 Bard Soleng 11 101.74 90.98 58.15% 0 44
65 Ken Franks 15 153.18 132.7 58.00% 0 69
66 Sjur Soleng 6 49.72 48.6 56.40% 0 65



:p :D

three solid golfers in order...LOL...classic.

three solid golfers in order...LOL...classic.



agree

3 golfers with scars at least

ttrue.

goTT Scars?

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Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Canadian Open
Tali Open
9th Zebulon Cha-Ching &amp; Zing
Dynamic Discs presents the Lewisville Open
Hickory Hills Open/Northern Waters Series #4
Jenny Wiley Open - ATT Bluegrass Series

Tourneys waiting for results:
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
12th Annual McClellan Classic (6/30)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
Pro Worlds Warm-Up 2 (6/30)

LOL...Bards tour seems to have hurt his rankings...Im up on his [censored]....Swoop swoop, thats the sound of the police!!!!

LOL...Bards tour seems to have hurt his rankings...Im up on his [censored]....Swoop swoop, thats the sound of the police!!!!



Yeah playing in CO didn't help anyone.

true that

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Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Skylands Classic
Skelleftea Open
Beachwood Classic
IOS #4 Discontinuum's Midwest National Qualifier
Live Oak Summer Open
Pro Worlds Warm-Up 2 (6/30)
12th Annual McClellan Classic (6/30)

Tourneys waiting for results:
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
4th Annual Denver Classic (7/7)
Charlie Vettiner Strikes Back (7/7)
Great Blue Heron Open (7/7)
Tahoe Pro/Am (7/7)

steve..can i please get an update as to where i'm at now on the list??
i've got a btier and worlds in this month and then i should move up some when worlds '06 drops off...

can you let me know please?

thanks in advance,
keith

Still just behind Reese!

86 Reese Swinea 8 27.04 62.96 19.35% 0 85
87 Michael Williams 4 20.78 50.82 18.68% 0 86
88 Mario Roblez 8 20.4 55.28 17.99% 0 87
89 Wes Yusim 6 12.0 19.0 17.27% 0 88
90 David Avery 6 13.58 42.1 16.93% 0 89
91 Keith Johnson 11 32.88 80.88 16.90% 0 90
92 Tom McGraw 9 14.5 56.18 16.52% 0 91

keith- you know the REALLY important stat for the year already...


john 1 keith 0
:p :)

almost caught up with Sjur.... watch out at Worlds, buuuddy.

keith- you know the REALLY important stat for the year already...


john 1 keith 0
:p :)



if i didn't have to replay an entire round i might have beat you :eek: :D

at least you have a chance (or 2) for redemption...

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Tourneys Added:
Scholl's Bicycle Center Pittsburgh Flying Disc Open
10th Daytona Open
23rd Annual Mid America Open
Lake Superior Open @ Spirit Mountain
Manitowalk in the Park VII
Riverside Glide
Rose City Open
Tahoe Pro/Am (7/7)
Charlie Vettiner Strikes Back (7/7)

Tourneys waiting for results:
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
4th Annual Denver Classic (7/7)
Great Blue Heron Open (7/7)
10th Shreveport Disc Golf Challenge (7/14)

almost caught up with Sjur.... watch out at Worlds, buuuddy.



Sjur's on fire right now..back to back C-Tier wins just last weekend (Greater Hartford Disc Golf Open, J-Park Jammer)!

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Tourneys Added:
Hotlanta
Terrace Creek Open
Brent Hambrick Memorial Open

Tourneys waiting for results:
13th Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
4th Annual Denver Classic (7/7)
Great Blue Heron Open (7/7)
10th Shreveport Disc Golf Challenge (7/14)
7th Aso Open (7/21)
King of the Park (7/21)
SM Tour - Sappee Open 2007 (7/21)
Twin Lake Annual IV (7/21)

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Hotlanta




and after my brilliant collapse from 1014 to 880 rated at hotlanta how much further did i drop before worlds :p

no ghdgo...oh man...I thought this would make it.

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Tourneys Added:
PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships
The Frying Pan (7/28)
Twin Lake Annual IV (7/21)
10th Shreveport Disc Golf Challenge (7/14)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Lipton Dutch Open (5/26)
Akagi Open (6/9)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
4th Annual Denver Classic (7/7)
Great Blue Heron Open (7/7)
7th Aso Open (7/21)
King of the Park (7/21)
SM Tour - Sappee Open 2007 (7/21)
27th Indiana State Championships (7/28)

did worlds move me up or down?

You moved down a bit, however you should bear in mind that 8 new players above you became qualified due to Worlds so your 16 spot may not be as bad as it seems.

114 Joshua Childs 10 37.14 46.06 32.91% 0 110
115 Bryan Moore 15 54.06 86.5 32.18% 0 109
116 Clester Hornsby 4th 5 30.16 50.8 32.04% 0 107
117 Zack Rogers 16 48.68 78.08 31.99% 0 111
118 Paul Ulibarri 10 119.12 208.08 31.31% 0 114
119 Robert Leonard 18 67.82 115.82 31.29% 0 103
120 Corey Wisenburg 10 54.92 84.96 31.01% 0 113
121 Logan Sheets 13 49.12 85.2 30.79% 0 116
122 Eddie Ogburn 12 38.96 71.64 30.53% 0 115
123 Jack Schmalfeld 10 78.36 137.64 29.05% 0 122
124 Cory Sharp 11 102.5 201.74 28.65% 0 98

Wow, 41st at Worlds and I didn't move. After 11th at the KCWO too. That's crazy. I should be skyrocketing!

Wow, 41st at Worlds and I didn't move. After 11th at the KCWO too. That's crazy. I should be skyrocketing!



Bring it on at the MSDGC and we'll see where that gets you. I've heard the ranking algorithm is partial to New England events.

But seriously, my guess would be that there are four new folks above you in the rankings due to worlds and these folks basically pushed you down four, and you moved up four on the folks that were on the list, thus breaking even. Last I looked you were 93rd or so and now you are 80th, that seems like good upward progress.

Folks that did not play Worlds and ranked around you tended to lose 3 to 7 spots due to these new players on the list. (The new players are the ones with "-" in the "Last Week" column.

Wow, 41st at Worlds and I didn't move. After 11th at the KCWO too. That's crazy. I should be skyrocketing!



Well at least you didn't drop! Definantly expected to move up but instead I went down 5 spots. :confused:

Wow, that does suck Matt.

Yeah, Marshall Street should easily move me into the top 20.

Wow, I'm off the list all together. That's what tendonitis in the spring'll do for ya. It's OK though - it'll really mess em up when I make my comeback! Elbow is feelin good, and the new putters all go in :)

Wow, that does suck Matt.

Yeah, Marshall Street should easily move me into the top 20.



Ok well I just saw something strange! I moved up 14 in the POY standings but down 5 in the world rankings. How is that possible?

Without looking at the numbers too much (i am busily typing the 2007 MSDGC program), my guess would be that the reason for the difference is the fact that the POY standings don't degrade over the year and the rolling one year rankings do degrade after 6 months. Perhaps you have some good results (from 6 to 12 months) that are degrading in value?

Did you do well at the end of last year / beginning of this year and these events are perhaps falling off in value?

Without looking at the numbers too much (i am busily typing the 2007 MSDGC program), my guess would be that the reason for the difference is the fact that the POY standings don't degrade over the year and the rolling one year rankings do degrade after 6 months. Perhaps you have some good results (from 6 to 12 months) that are degrading in value?

Did you do well at the end of last year / beginning of this year and these events are perhaps falling off in value?



Not any that would be within the 6-12 month area. I do have a lot of events from last year that weren't good and should be degrading but that wouldn't hurt the ranking.

The following events are currently degrading in value (and you should replace them with big wins!):

8 160 Texas State Championships 22-Oct to 23-Oct-2005 198 $40
13 80 Oklahoma Open - Pro/Adv 29-Oct to 30-Oct-2005 210
2 30 FlynHighDiscGolf.com Conroe Lone Star Series 03-Dec-2005 113 $100
12 45 Piney Woods Pro-Am II
3 180 The Big Show @ Cedar Hill 03-Feb to 04-Feb-2007 200 $185
5 330 The Z Boaz Open 10-Feb to 11-Feb-2007 182 $260
2 142 Victoria Open

I see two events where you did not finish strong (the 13th at OK Open and 12th at Piney Woods). As these age and degrade, your ranking is probably helped.

Conversely, I see the five other finishes where you placed very well as hurting your ranking as they age / degrade.

The system rewards players that play consistently well over time, thus Nate Doss slowly but surely rose to the top (and helped to prove the system ranks well by winning Worlds) as he has not had a finish below 5th all year.

I do have a concern with folks having most of their qualifying events over 6 months old. When this is the case, the rankings can get skewed as we don't know how well they are playing now. The other concern is the fact that disc golf is just a tad too small to really allow these numbers to work due to the fact that some players have relatively few events and are potentially mostly competing against regional players.

As the sport and the professional tour mature, the rankings will become more and more accurate. Sorry for the ramble, I hope the above answers your questions Matt.

The following events are currently degrading in value (and you should replace them with big wins!):

8 160 Texas State Championships 22-Oct to 23-Oct-2005 198 $40
13 80 Oklahoma Open - Pro/Adv 29-Oct to 30-Oct-2005 210
2 30 FlynHighDiscGolf.com Conroe Lone Star Series 03-Dec-2005 113 $100
12 45 Piney Woods Pro-Am II
3 180 The Big Show @ Cedar Hill 03-Feb to 04-Feb-2007 200 $185
5 330 The Z Boaz Open 10-Feb to 11-Feb-2007 182 $260
2 142 Victoria Open

I see two events where you did not finish strong (the 13th at OK Open and 12th at Piney Woods). As these age and degrade, your ranking is probably helped.

Conversely, I see the five other finishes where you placed very well as hurting your ranking as they age / degrade.

The system rewards players that play consistently well over time, thus Nate Doss slowly but surely rose to the top (and helped to prove the system ranks well by winning Worlds) as he has not had a finish below 5th all year.

I do have a concern with folks having most of their qualifying events over 6 months old. When this is the case, the rankings can get skewed as we don't know how well they are playing now. The other concern is the fact that disc golf is just a tad too small to really allow these numbers to work due to the fact that some players have relatively few events and are potentially mostly competing against regional players.

As the sport and the professional tour mature, the rankings will become more and more accurate. Sorry for the ramble, I hope the above answers your questions Matt.



Why are there events in there from 05'? :confused: I would expect the 06' Piney Woods event to be downgrading but shouldn't the 05' event not even matter?


Also should Z-boaz and Victoria start degrading in the next week or two and not yet? I'm just saying that since it hasn't quite been 6 months from those events yet.

Don't you just love it when people hurry? The '05 events are not included (although they are in the system), and I just pulled data real quick to check it out. If the events are more than 25 weeks old, they will degrade in value. Aye yi yi. Hurrying stinks.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Hotlanta




and after my brilliant collapse from 1014 to 880 rated at hotlanta how much further did i drop before worlds :p



SWEET....Im ahead of Keith AND Reese.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

AND I WON this past weekend over the #17 player.. :D

funny... joey mela is 5th in open but only 10th in masters...

122 Eddie Ogburn 12 38.96 71.64 30.53% 0 115



Not after MSDGC is entered!!! :D

When's the next update?

Sorry for being a day late on this one. There was a lot of new data to enter! Enjoy.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Marshall Street Disc Golf Championship
Bayville Bash III
3nd Annual Jet-Wash Open
Alabama Summer Sizzler
San Francisco Safari
Southern Idaho Championship
Upstate Foothills Open
Summer Haze Classic
Stockholm Open (8/11)
15th Mad City Open - Pro/Adv (8/11)
12th Hell on the Border (8/11)
Animas Valley Re-Opened (8/11)
Kingston Open (8/11)
Lava Launch (8/11)
Play It Again Sports Open (8/11)
Jersey Jam (8/11)
Skeeter Heater IV (8/11)
SM Tour - Sappee Open 2007 (7/21)
7th Aso Open (7/21)
Great Blue Heron Open (7/7)
4th Annual Denver Classic (7/7)
13th Kansai Open (6/30)
Berlin Open / German Open (6/16)
19th National Championships (6/16)
16th Annual Gateway Open (6/16)
Akagi Open (6/9)
Lipton Dutch Open (5/26)

Tourneys waiting for results:
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)
King of the Park (7/21)
27th Indiana State Championships (7/28)
SM Tour - Vihti Open (8/4)
Albuch Open (8/11)
A Call To Arms #14 (8/18)
Flatts Classic XXIII (8/18)
Iron Lion Open (8/18)
New York State Disc Golf Championships (8/18)

Two Weeks Ago:

122 Eddie Ogburn 12 38.96 71.64 30.53% 0 115



Today:

107 - Eddie Ogburn 12 58.7 76.82 37.57% 0 122

I just flip-flopped with Bard. 72 for me.

Two Weeks Ago:

122 Eddie Ogburn 12 38.96 71.64 30.53% 0 115



Today:

107 - Eddie Ogburn 12 58.7 76.82 37.57% 0 122



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Sorry for being a day late on this one. There was a lot of new data to enter! Enjoy.





thank goodness you don't have the tournament i ran listed as entered or waiting for results :eek:

i might end up off your chart forever :p

Nate's hold on the #1 Rankings gets a bit slimmer.

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
European Open
5th Glass Blown Open
8th Annual Cincinnati Flying Pig Open
Georgia State Championships
Oak Hollow Open
Prairie Open (5th) - Pro/AdvMen
Sunrise Show Down
Iron Lion Open (8/18)
Alaska Disc Golf State Championships (6/23)

Tourneys waiting for results:
King of the Park (7/21)
27th Indiana State Championships (7/28)
SM Tour - Vihti Open (8/4)
Albuch Open (8/11)
A Call To Arms #14 (8/18)
Flatts Classic XXIII (8/18)
New York State Disc Golf Championships (8/18)
15th Tokai Open (8/25)
Inland Series Finals @ High Bridge DGC (8/25)

I love it! I play decent at worlds and move down 5 and then I stop playing and move back up 5. :D

tell me... I got 8th at Marshall Street and only moved up 8! What's a brutha gotta do!?

But I'm beating Bard....

Marshall Street Disc Golf World Rankings (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_2007.html)
Marshall Street 2007 Player of the Year (so far) (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/discgolfinfo_ranking_6.html)

Tourneys Added:
Southern National Pro Championships
West Virginia Open
4th Annual Twisted Flyer Open
Hickory Disc Golf Classic
Millstream Open
Northwoods Open @ Sandy Point Resort
The Cleveland Roc
Inland Series Finals @ High Bridge DGC (8/25)
SM Tour - Vihti Open (8/4)
27th Indiana State Championships (7/28)

Tourneys waiting for results:
King of the Park (7/21)
Albuch Open (8/11)
A Call To Arms #14 (8/18)
Flatts Classic XXIII (8/18)
New York State Disc Golf Championships (8/18)
15th Tokai Open (8/25)
7th Chubu Open (9/2)
8th North Dakota State Championships (9/2)
Lewiston Luau (9/2)
Michigan State Championships (9/2)
SM Tour - Eken�s Energy OpenM Tour (9/2)

Tourneys waiting for results:
A Call To Arms #14 (8/18)



Well, I won this one, so I should be continuing the climb...

How did I jump onto the list at 62 after MSDGC, and fall off the list after WVO?

Because you didn't ,,,,,,,,,EAT THE PIE!!!!!!

How did I jump onto the list at 62 after MSDGC, and fall off the list after WVO?



The pie would be one explanation. The other is a bit more convoluted. Over the last 13 months, here are the events I've got:

West Virginia Open 2007-09-02 10th
Marshall Street Disc Golf Championship 2007-08-18 13th
Virginia Open 2007-05-26 5th
United States Disc Golf Championship,, 2006-10-14 74th
Eric C. Yetter Champions Cup,, 2006-09-16 7th
West Virginia Open,, 2006-09-02 4th
Marshall Street Disc Golf Championship,, 2006-08-26 17th

Since the MSDGC moved up a week in 2007, after the 2007 MSDGC, you had three big events and three other events giving you enough event points to qualify. After the 2007 WVO - which was held on the same weekend as last year - both the 2006 MSDGC and the 2006 WVO dropped off, leaving you one event point shy of the list.

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To qualify for the rankings a player needs to have played (in the past 12 months) at least one big event and have earned 14 event points. Big events are worth five points and other events are worth one point.

After the MSDGC, you had 18 event points - 3 big events and 3 other events
After the WVO, you had 13 event points - 2 big events and 3 other events

Clear as mud?