So I'm sick and tired of hearing about Barry Bonds. While hearing about it today on the Jim Rome show, I started thinking why doesn't the PDGA test for Drug Use before worlds or majors or at random events?

We all know that probably 95% of the people would fail it which is why this will never happen.

To be completely effective, they may want to do drug testing after the event. :eek:

Some one at the last event I played tried to tell me that pot actually benefits some players by helping them relax. That should make it even more illegal during play. But why people want to mess with their depth preception is beyond me. I need my eyes to be as accurate as possible, that is why I drink so much water, as to stay completely hydrated.

Why not take legal via prescription muscle relaxers if you need to relax? Or take a deep breath?

regardless of where you stand on the pdga policies regarding drug & alcohol at sanctioned events, there is no real good reason to do drug testing at pdga events. it is unlikely that any drug is performance-enhancing when it comes to disc golf. WADA does not list pot as a performance enhancer, but does list it as a testable drug. presumably a sport could become WADA-compliant without testing for pot. unless disc golf becomes much more of an athletic pursuit even the performance enhancing substances would be of little value to us.

I think 95% might be a bit high (pun not intended).

The PDGA can't even afford an effective message board let alone a massive worlds drug test. Drug testing is expensive, I doubt the PDGA has enough funds to drug test any tournament let alone a worlds event where there are 300+ people.

Our generation of disc golfers will NEVER see it happen.

It already happened before the World Games a few years ago and there have been international discussions regarding this. But cost has to be prohibitive on a wide scale, except for possibly the winners, as mentioned earlier.

Winners I could see happen...so if the winner tests "positive" do we test the player who finished 2nd and so on?

My employer does random drug tests because it is too expensive to test the entire company at once.

Why don't we start the disc golf drug war by getting our equipment out of head shops?

5 years ago on the radio....for all of Dallas/Fort Worth to hear.... a disc jockey said something like this: "It's a stoner's sport. If you want to give it a shot, go down to The Gas Pipe, PipeDreams, or Dragon's Breath and buy a disc and pipe, and go have some fun."

If the intent was to prevent performance enhancement, the question would be "What performance is being enhanced?" At least with other sports, most if not all of the banned substances have been identified to enhance performance in some way. Caffeine may have a bigger effect for some than any prescription drug. My heart medication slows down heart rates and lowers blood pressure. Could I potentially putt a little better as a result in the same way a biathlete learns to slow down their heart rate before shooting?

Test the squirrels...They are the ones that can't handle their crack!
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Why don't we start the disc golf drug war by getting our equipment out of head shops?

5 years ago on the radio....for all of Dallas/Fort Worth to hear.... a disc jockey said something like this: "It's a stoner's sport. If you want to give it a shot, go down to The Gas Pipe, PipeDreams, or Dragon's Breath and buy a disc and pipe, and go have some fun."

Brilliant, one way to keep disc golf OUT of every household is for that stigma to remain. I can only speak for myself, but I would prefer that every man, woman , and child in the world have an interest is disc golf. EVERY FRIGGIN ONE!!!

The PDGA can't even afford an effective message board let alone a massive worlds drug test. Drug testing is expensive, I doubt the PDGA has enough funds to drug test any tournament let alone a worlds event where there are 300+ people.

Our generation of disc golfers will NEVER see it happen.



Either that or have each player submit a valid test before entering each tournament , from their personal doctor and have those who are " questionable" be tested more often.

Kinda like a Resume for playing disc golf.

I have Applied for several government jobs and the Airlines with similar Requirements , just for a application for employment.

If your going to represent someone or some company , they don't want any embarrassing Incidents........PERIOD !!!!!!!

So I'm sick and tired of hearing about Barry Bonds. While hearing about it today on the Jim Rome show, I started thinking why doesn't the PDGA test for Drug Use before worlds or majors or at random events?

We all know that probably 95% of the people would fail it which is why this will never happen.



The reasons it would never happen are many. For starters, it would be too expensive. second, pot isn't performance-enhancing (except perhaps for some apparent enhancement experienced by the user /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ). also, from what i understand, drug tests detect pot without differentiating whether it was used 30 days ago or 2 hours ago. It is hardly fair to ban someone on the basis they smoked some mother nature 3 weeks before attending a PDGA event.

the main reason it won't happen is it isn't a problem if someone does it discretely (not on-site at a PDGA event). if someone is toking during a round disqualify them. same thing with drinking.

i haven't smoked pot in over 15 years, but it is not as big a problem as alcohol use is in terms of motor-vehicle accidents and other social problems. alcohol is toxic to the human body; marijuana isn't.

In response to the "no substance enhances your DG performance" comment...

Thanks to my gene pool, beginning in my late teens I began developing an allergic reaction to Poison Ivy. Each season it has gotten slightly worse - I use products like Technu to try and prevent it, and my latest "reaction" product of choice is Ivy Dry. Regardless, I still pick it up thanks to this great sport I love and sometimes it can get unbelievably bad. Heck, two years ago I had to go on my honeymoon with PI enveloping my lower legs, with scars going from knee to ankle and ALLLL the way wrapped around my calves.

Because of this, the past three years I invariably end up at my dermatologist early to mid summer and get a prescription of steroids to fight the stuff. And any time I do... my golf buddies can tell without me saying anything about the pills. I'm only on the stuff for about 2 to 3 weeks at a time, but yes the added power in my drives is THAT noticable.

I'm not saying anyone out there is "cycling" steroids in an effort to improve their DG performance. But you can't say there aren't substances out there that can improve your game by putting them in your system.

Since DG is a largely mental game, the easiest route to chemically induced performance is to find a drug that improves mental performance. IMHO, the cheap, safe and easy answer has already been mentioned. More who choose incorrectly means more fancy new discs in my bag. For those who choose correctly, please 86 *$ .

the pga doesnt even drug test and they have lots of money. they say that golf is a gentlemens sport and they dont have any intention of testing in the future. not for steroids not for pot not for flaxseed oil.

speaking of the gas pipe you can go down there and pick up the infamous whizzinator and beat any drug test you like. just dont take it into the airport ladies and gentlemen. especially ladies. so why waste the money testing.

i think we should just leave well enough alone on this one.

if they ever started testing, I imagine more than half the PDGA members would go into hibernation. Just plain stupid.

It's just a plant. god made it. it must be good

It's just a plant. god made it. it must be good


Keep that thought in mind while you have a cup of nightshade tea and chew on some apricot pits.

LMAO. thats funny. Im sure that would be a good buzz before I die though. PErhaps it would help me to see god more clearly

It's just a plant. god made it. it must be good




You must NOT be talking about Poison Ivy. :D

I'm all for testing drugs at events. Have little bottles of pills hidden on the course, and needles at every tee pad!

It is hardly fair to ban someone on the basis they smoked some mother nature 3 weeks before attending a PDGA event.



Didn't Ricky Williams try using this same line of reasoning --- "But, dude, it was the off-season!"

another lame thread started by MTL!!! :D :p

Unfortantley, this thread was not meant to be a joke or "lame"

Drug use in our sport is a VERY serious problem. I'm not saying whether I have a problem with some drugs (although it is a very well known fact at NC tournaments that I do not do any type of druge at all), the fact that some players are known to smoke beofre rounds or after rounds and even during some rounds is a major problem.

Whether you think weed is from God or not b/c its natural, it is Illegal in the country we have all decided to live in. If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.

I agree. There's one huge problem though. Wasn't frisbee golf invented, or thought of, by stoner surfers/beach goers?

Let's go back to California in the early 70's.....

"Hey man.....how many throws do you think it will take to go from here to that life guard station?"

"I don't know dude.....My eyes are almost swollen shut and I can't even see that life guard station!"

"That's too bad man. I think i can hit it in 10 throws....."

The rest is history.

fact that some players are known to smoke beofre rounds or after rounds and even during some rounds is a major problem.




I just assumed you weren't really serious. During a round is obviously a problem. Before, or after, on their own time, why would anyone care? Hell, if they are my competition, and they are high, it's to my advantage anyway. Despite some people's continual insistence, getting high does nothing for your game, nor does it make music any better. ;)


If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.



Awesome. Are you running for office?

Whether you think weed is from God or not b/c its natural, it is Illegal in the country we have all decided to live in. If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.

gamlbing is illegal in at least several states. we still sanction events that are certainly illegal by state law. should the TD who run these events and the pdga officers who sanction them "get the hell outta"?

If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.



I'm sure you adhere to all your state/federal laws...

In North Carolina oral sex is considered a crime against nature and while having sex, you must stay in the missionary position and have the shades pulled. But I hear it's BeYOUtiful there so I can understand some sacrifices need to be made.

what's next? mando breathalyzer after player's meetings -- IQ tests?

Whether you think weed is from God or not b/c its natural, it is Illegal in the country we have all decided to live in. If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.

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it really isnt that simple. by that logic no poker games and no speeding. if your going to drive 1 mph over the speed limit then get out of this country your breaking the law.

drug use in the sport maybe a problem but its more of a societal problem not just limited to discgolfers.

i was born in this corrupt @$$ country and will continue to live here because this is were my family and friends live. you know what i think pot should be legal.now go tell your local law enforcement and see if they kick me out of this corrupt land.

Whether you think weed is from God or not b/c its natural, it is Illegal in the country we have all decided to live in. If you do not feel that it should be illegal, then get the hell outta America. It's really that simple.



wow, that's not very American. in America there is a democracy where varying perspectives should be weighed and considered in order to arrive at a solution. and if you don't agree with a law, America was set up so that you can work to change it. Under your formula -- all the abolitionists should have left America 200 years ago and all the women who wanted the right to vote should have left too.

i don't smoke pot and haven't for almost 20 years because it is illegal. but it is highly hypocritical to support its being illegal unless you also feel alcohol should be illegal.

it wouldn't be how i feel, but i could say to you:
if you don't like a sport populated by pot smokers maybe you should get the hell outta frisbee golf and go play ball golf :o

It is hardly fair to ban someone on the basis they smoked some mother nature 3 weeks before attending a PDGA event.



Didn't Ricky Williams try using this same line of reasoning --- "But, dude, it was the off-season!"



you're missing the point. Ricky Williams may feel this is America where the government should stay out of his personal life and that he is free to do what he wants so long as it isn't hurting somebody else. But he also had an employer who he knew had a drug policy which would punish him without reference to whether he was toking up during the off season or while playing the game. so he dug his own grave. If Innova, Discraft, or Gateway want to have a drug policy then their employees should follow those policies or quit. since disc golf events are basicly gambling, this would be like a Casino drug testing its patrons before they enter and then not letting them spend their money if they are high or drunk :eek: :D :D

it wouldn't be how i feel, but i could say to you:
if you don't like a sport populated by pot smokers maybe you should get the hell outta frisbee golf and go play ball golf :o

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LMAO! :D

it wouldn't be how i feel, but i could say to you:
if you don't like a sport populated by pot smokers maybe you should get the hell outta frisbee golf and go play ball golf :o



LMAO! :D


You might think that is funny, but it sure seems to be the way many pot smoking disc golfers think. The cries of "just accept everyone, man" fall on their own deaf ears when you ask the pot smokers to just accept the people who only want to play and compete at disc golf without having to hang out in the midst of active law-breaking.

There are people in this country who have a lot to lose by hanging out in a group that is actively breaking the law. Just because you don't think it's a law worth abiding by doesn't mean you have considered the other guy. Ex-cons and felons on probation could go back to jail if your foursome gets popped. People with security clearances could lose their jobs. Etc. etc.

Let disc golf be about disc golf. Leave the dope off the course. Especially leave the dope out of PDGA sanctioned tourneys. I can walk away from a casual round if you can't not smoke. If I have risks that aren't worth taking, my options in a tourney are to DNF or else to have you DQd. What a fun choice for you to force a fellow disc golfer to make. :p

Amen to Rhett, MTL, and all the others who have stuck up for staying on the right side of the law.

For many outside the disc golfing community, disc golf has an image problem that characterizes it as a "stoner pothead" activity. This image problem demeans all participants and diminishes their accomplishments. (And it makes it harder for us to get disc golf accepted in public parks, in schools, and as a real sport!)

I have a problem with that. Don't you?

I'm not going to fuss about what you do privately, but don't do it in my foursome, and don't do it in my kids' foursomes.

i think its funny cause we were told to get the hell out of america for having a viewpoint.

if someone gets dqed for smoking tree during a sanctioned round then they had it coming.
when i play disc golf its not so i can have an excuse to smoke
in fact i would rather not smoke during a round at all. because i know there are a lot of people even in the disc community who dont want anything to do with that stuff and i respect that.

but drug testing should not ever be done until everybody gets paid for being at the tournament. if someone wants to pay me to come play at their tournament and says youll have to take a drug test to play then i have no problem with that. but if i have to pay to play then the drug test becomes ludicrous.

man im glad for the pdga message board otherwise i might just be asleep at my desk and no one would ever know. so so so bored at work hmm i know what could make the day more interesting.

First, pot smoking at PDGA events has no place and those that do it should be DQ'ed (as should those who drink alcohol at events). Second, while i support the rights of persons to smoke pot if they so choose, they should not do it in public places -- especially parks. Children should not be around it. Non-smokers should not be unintentionally subjected to it as the second-hand smoke could cause them to lose a job (since employer rights trump individual liberties into today's political and legal (corporate) climate.

just as it is unwarranted and out-of-line for pot-smokers to denigrate those that don't smoke it and don't want to be subjected to it -- it is also unwarranted and out-of-line for non-smokers to denigrate those pot-smokers who smoke it in private and don't bring it up. (i hear too many holier-than-thou bashings of all pot-smokers when many pot smokers don't deserve it).

i don't smoke pot, drink moonshine, or (for the most part) break the speed limit -- however i also don't think all of the people who do those things should be kicked out of the country on that basis alone :p

It's interesting that you posted that reply to me and not to MtL.

I don't recall posting anything about telling anyone what to do or where to go, except to not smoke dope in PDGA sanctioned events.

If the intent was to prevent performance enhancement, the question would be "What performance is being enhanced?"



Chuck, adding strength could add some distance (hammers, for example), or improve the recovery time from injury.

Having been tested as an athlete before, it does force you to think about the consequences.

While I enjoy disc golf, if the goal is greater sponsorship money and exposure (a common thread on these boards), then drug testing might be inevitable.

PEACH

i'm not sure what you mean by interesting -- but your reply to the person who laughed at my joke could be interpreted as suggestive that i smoke pot (and i don't) so i wanted to be clear, and also it was your post that prompted my response. i find it important to differentiate between in your face pot smokers and those who do it privately. i also appreciate that you are a parent. the comment about kicking people out of the country wasn't meant to you but i wanted to throw it in there as food for thought :D

I have some bad news for you. The type of steriod you are taking is not an enhancement type of steriod. I believe it is probably a member of the Corticosteroids which are medically used to control inflammation and pain. As a matter of fact one of the side effects of extended use are a loss of muscle tissue. What I believe you are getting is a confidance boost and I have probably ruined that with the above. You are also experiancing a decrease in inflammation, which helps to keep you from getting sore if you play to much. My point though is that you are most likely not taking an anabolic steroid. This family of steriods comes from testosterone.

If you have been perscribed a muscle enhancing steriod, it has been given under a doctor's supervision and is NOT the same thing as those who buy the drug off the street. If you have to take the steriod full time, the doctor will start to test you for side effects. Street dealers don't do that.


In response to the "no substance enhances your DG performance" comment...

Thanks to my gene pool, beginning in my late teens I began developing an allergic reaction to Poison Ivy. Each season it has gotten slightly worse - I use products like Technu to try and prevent it, and my latest "reaction" product of choice is Ivy Dry. Regardless, I still pick it up thanks to this great sport I love and sometimes it can get unbelievably bad. Heck, two years ago I had to go on my honeymoon with PI enveloping my lower legs, with scars going from knee to ankle and ALLLL the way wrapped around my calves.

Because of this, the past three years I invariably end up at my dermatologist early to mid summer and get a prescription of steroids to fight the stuff. And any time I do... my golf buddies can tell without me saying anything about the pills. I'm only on the stuff for about 2 to 3 weeks at a time, but yes the added power in my drives is THAT noticable.

I'm not saying anyone out there is "cycling" steroids in an effort to improve their DG performance. But you can't say there aren't substances out there that can improve your game by putting them in your system.

thanks for posting that. i too thought he was mixing up corticosteroids with anabolic steroids but wasn't informed enough to clearly differentiate the two (until reading your post)

the good news is his performance is completely based on his ability and potential and not on a performance-enhancing type of steroid. ;)

i shot a pot head once for breaking the law

: ) :

that is illegal so i guess you and the pot smoker are two of a kind :o

Amen to Rhett, MTL, and all the others who have stuck up for staying on the right side of the law.

For many outside the disc golfing community, disc golf has an image problem that characterizes it as a "stoner pothead" activity. This image problem demeans all participants and diminishes their accomplishments. (And it makes it harder for us to get disc golf accepted in public parks, in schools, and as a real sport!)

I have a problem with that. Don't you?

I'm not going to fuss about what you do privately, but don't do it in my foursome, and don't do it in my kids' foursomes.



Exactly.........................it also makes is really difficult to get real sponsorship for our sport.

MY repsonses to the previous posts.

Contrary to popular belief on thie thread, I am a democrat.

I tell you why I'm sick of drug use in disc golf. It's not that I don't like the people who choose to do drugs - I don't judge people on personal decisions, I judge people based on the way they treat others and myself - I'm just sick of telling people I play disc golf and they making some smart arse remark about the time they went and drank a whole 12 pack playing disc golf or asked me how much weed I smoke. I know I am a MAJOR minority here, but the truth is, if the PDGA did drug testing, many many people who no longer be elidgeable to participate. This is the main reason people are disagreeing with me on here, b/c they probably are users and realize that they would not pass a drug test if they had to.

I also am not trying to sound "better" than other people b/c I don't do any drugs and I'm certainly not trying to say I've never broken a law - but comparing oral sex and driving one mile over the speed limit to drug use is a little rediculous.

I also would like publically apologize for telling people to "get the hell outta America" that was def. unwarrented, off subject and very rude. For those offended, I sincerelly apoligize.

it is not very hard to pass a drug test ask barry bonds but not rafael palmiero or better yet talk to victor conte he'll tell just how easy it is to pass a drug test

but if we have to drug test then lets do it i'll pass it

do the x games test for drugs i have a feeling they dont
nor does the proffesional golf association our much older brother. how bout the world series of poker or the hod dog eating world championships the great outdoor games nine ball i'm guessing they dont do any testing and most if not all of these are heavily telivised competitions.
in fact unless discgolf becomes an olympic sport i;ll venture out and say there will never be drug testing in disc golf

Tobacco 'users' are avoiding withdrawal symptoms every time they light up or drop in a chew. Sounds to me like a 'performance enhancer' - to not have the jitters while putting...?!! :eek: :D

do the x games test for drugs i have a feeling they dont
nor does the proffesional golf association our much older brother. how bout the world series of poker or the hod dog eating world championships the great outdoor games nine ball



Personally, I don't want to be categorized with those sports. We aren't extreme enough for the x games, so they are a non issue. However, with the emmergence of these "sudo-sports", disc golfers have false hopes that they can ride the bandwagon to recognition. We don't want to burn out like poker will, or any of these other ESPN 2am "filler" programs.
If it takes a drug policy to legitimize this sport, lets move forward. There are alot of casual players participating in one or two tourneys a year. Just like a job interview for those that partake, they can choose to stop their habits if it's important to them to acheive their goal. I'm not saying that all smokers should be kicked out of the sport or put onto double secret probation, but if it's the image we need to clean-up in our sport, Illegal Drugs should probably be the first to go. What about a national tour sponsored by DARE?

"I tell you why I'm sick of drug use in disc golf. It's not that I don't like the people who choose to do drugs - I don't judge people on personal decisions, I judge people based on the way they treat others and myself - I'm just sick of telling people I play disc golf and they making some smart arse remark about the time they went and drank a whole 12 pack playing disc golf or asked me how much weed I smoke. I know I am a MAJOR minority here, but the truth is, if the PDGA did drug testing, many many people who no longer be elidgeable to participate (huh?). This is the main reason people are disagreeing with me on here, b/c they probably are users and realize that they would not pass a drug test if they had to." mtl


So let me get this straight mtl...The real reason you don't want drugs in the sport is because you don't like how it makes US look. This is apparently an image problem that should be corrected. I think a lot of disc golfers chose the sport because it accepts people despite their unusual habits or desires. Croquet has a pretty clean image, but I don't think that espn will be showing the World Croquet Championships next year (probably a bad comparison).

You mentioned beer as well...I know that you don't think that all golfers should be tested for alcohol as well. Of course not...Alcohol is a legal DRUG (except for 70 years ago when the government decided that it was bad for you and criminalized it). So if my grandfather drank during prohibition then he broke the law and could have gone to jail for his offense. In ten years-hopefully-the U.S. will have changed its drug policy once again and this conversation will be pointless. Once that happens, Alcohol and THC should still not be permitted at PDGA events for reasons of professionalism, but what a golfer does in his own time would be his own business.

One last point...I tell people every day that I play disc golf and they never go straight to drinking or drugs. They are usually interested in a new and innovative sport and they usually pepper me with questions about the game and not the extra-curricular activities.

Always remember: Just because a government makes something a crime does not mean that it is morally wrong and just because a government says something is not a crime does not necessarily mean that it is morally correct...

After all, the ownership of another human being was legal in this country less then 200 years ago...Does that mean it was morally correct to own a slave during that time but as soon as AMERICA decided that it was wrong it became morally wrong as well? (I apologize in advance for comparing slavery to drug use as they are crimes of vastly different magnitudes.)

One thing from the page that I agree with: I wish that headshops would not carry discs, but in a town where disc golf is not very popular (like both of our towns twenty years ago) and there is no play-it-again shop, what is the novice golfer to do. Isn't somewhere better then nowhere?


That's all for now...

everything you said makes perfect sense, and I love hearing the different opinions of people. I feel that marijuana is a natural substance and should be legal if acohol is legal. But that still doesn't make it legal. I know you said that just b/c something is illegal doesn't make it morally wrong, but it does make it illegal. In all honesty, anytime I hear something like this, it sounds merely like an excuse to make one self feel better for thier actions.

I guess my main reasoning in saying this is my goal for this year is to no longer tolerate drug and acohol use in PDGA play this year. I'm sick of having to put up with it. If you are at a tournament and you have achohol or drugs and I see it after the horn, prepare to be DQed. I will make it my mission to make sure the TD and the PDGA know about you're rule breaking offense.

If you drink during a tournament round, do drugs, or for that matter, any other rule breaking action, then you do not care about this sport.

BTW Myers, this was in no way directed towards you or anyone else (sense I know that is what is coming next b/c people like to attack me), just the way I feel about somehting in general.

I think we basically agree robert...
I have played in 4 events this year and I have not
experienced anyone smoking or drinking during the round.
People might have been partaking but I did not notice.
Are you going to defend at Farmlife mtl???

Are you going to defend at Farmlife mtl???



I'm gonna try to!

Jason and MTL, I think you know that I agree with both of you.
Even though Alcohol is legal, It is not legal to consume or otherwise posssess alcohol in a public park.

All i am asking for is respect for the rules.

I hope your successful.

I'm tired of fighting.................................I just want to play...........

Seewhere your right this is a LAME thread when are these dumb arses gonna figure out that pot is NOT a STEROID!!! :mad:PDGA needs to remove this thread... :mad:

Seewhere your right this is a LAME thread when are these dumb arses gonna figure out that pot is NOT a STEROID!!! :mad:PDGA needs to remove this thread... :mad:



performance enhancing? - no
morally wrong? - personal decision
illegal? - yes
against PDGA rules? - yes

No smart person uses drugs during a tournament, yes it's wrong and against the LAW! but it's not a streoid. Barry Bonds is a cheater. MTL get real.

No smart person uses drugs during a tournament, yes it's wrong and against the LAW! but it's not a streoid. Barry Bonds is a cheater. MTL get real.



Cheater : someone who intentionally breaks the rules.

The rules clearer say that smoking weed is against the rules. If someone knows this and then does it anyway, they are a cheater. Just like people who change thier score card, move thier lie, etc. people that smoke during a tournament are cheaters!

Not only that , your peers will look at you differently. :o

Plus..................I don't know of any sponsors in Disc Golf , that support smoking pot.

I know , I know..................I still see players, still burning , but not in a blatant manner that attract's the police's attention.
Hopefully not, anyway's.
I have heard , over the years , parks patrolled for drinking , but that's about it.

That's kinda besides the point though.

It's our Responsibility as Professional Disc Golfers to represent a good image to those new to the Sport and to Present a good Image to our Sponsors , Wife's , Children , Relatives and Parents and Especially those , taking pictures and Video of Disc Golf in general.

There are folks that do look up to us as RoleModels.....................

I have tried to do my part ,at times , as a goodwill Ambassador for the sport and done what I could to Project my enthusiasm about Disc Golf to those who still don't know much of what Disc Golf is all about.
It's great to see their same enthusiasm and see them want to play right away !!!!!! That's always a good feeling to get new folks , excited about Disc Golf !!!!!! Just a couple of good shots.............................and their hooked !!!!!!!

The question most often asked is " How come there aren't more course's to play and every park should have atleast a basket or two to start !!!!!! :eek:

Sorry about getting off topic , but players know and the responsibility is theirs to deal with.
I know alot of players , who I will not mention here , understand the rules and DO abide by them.

But , for those who do burn on the course still , please try and refrain from burning during PDGA rounds and tournaments.........................

I really do not want anybody to be DQ'd for playing Disc Golf.

Thanks,

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"Jason and MTL, I think you know that I agree with both of you.
Even though Alcohol is legal, It is not legal to consume or otherwise posssess alcohol in a public park."

man that sucks for yuse guys. but i dont think thats the case for the entire nation. definitley not in austin. no glass thats the rule. however you can still get charged with public intoxication.

mendocino county here i come. :D

yeehaw!

I disagree with this. I pay money to go see these huge baseball players crush a little white ball out of the park. If they need steriods to do it and they don't care about the side effects (squeeky Tyson voice and penial shrinkage) then let them do it. hell they could even move the fence back and make it harder, why limit them?

thanks for changing the name of the thread- smart move; what people who create such topics as this dont realize is that someones boss,parent, or whatever could read this and wonder why we would drug test for our form of golf when PGA players dont even get tested. :confused: How are we ever going to get good sponsors when people keep bringing such topics up online therefore creating rumors which do not apply to everyone that plays the sport. Think before you post on here people, if your that bored then go play a round or find another hobby but dont ruin it for the rest of us.

Where I live in Mendocino County marijuana has been legalized for personal and medical use.


I don't think that's right.

http://www.co.mendocino.ca.us/sheriff/services/marijuana.htm

In any event, I don't smoke pot, I don't want to smoke pot, and I don't want to be around pot smoking. Please don't make disc golf exclusive to pot smokers only. The game should inclusive of everybody, including non pot smokers.

Absolutely Rhett. We run tournaments from time to time and there will be 90 people on our little 20 acres and the stuff wafts. Course if you're baked and don't own the property, are not responsible for the impression you may be making on a kid or "adult," it's perfectly cool with YOU. We try to clamp down on it during rounds and out in the open and pretty much succeed. The illegal aspect is what makes it, in the wrong place with the wrong witnesses, overwhelmingly bad.

I've tried various players meeting admonishments, including threatening the entire foursome with disqualification. Everybody saw through that like the load of crap it was, but we're fairly adamant about this one illegal thing when people indulge in front of many people including strangers like they forgot it was illegal or that general amnesty reigns, which is ridiculous. General amnesty doesn't start till dusk.

I agree that there should be no drug use/drinking during and immediately before tournaments as this would make the sport seem unprofessional and be unfair to other players who don't want to be around the stuff. I say you have the freedom to do what you want as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others ie keep it discreet, away from kids, and don't get yer buds in trouble over it.

Just seen a home movie of a foursome , wearing PDGA clothes and outfits , passing around a 24" bong on the couse.

The thing is kids may see this as funny and think it's OK.

On the half baked argument that it is natural so its o.k., so are erupting volcanos and hungry lions. Because your TD is trying to get along with the park district or land owner where he is holding a tournament, he'd prefer that you leave all that stuff at home. We don't need any hungry lions snacking on the junior division. :D We actually keep a cool little portable volcano in the garage and fill it with smoke bombs and roman candles on the Fourth of July, so its not like I'm anti-volcano. I just don't need the park district upset about my pyrotechnic tendencies or your formerly hungry exotic pets. Or whatever.

thanks for changing the name of the thread- smart move; what people who create such topics as this dont realize is that someones boss,parent, or whatever could read this and wonder why we would drug test for our form of golf when PGA players dont even get tested. :confused: How are we ever going to get good sponsors when people keep bringing such topics up online therefore creating rumors which do not apply to everyone that plays the sport. Think before you post on here people, if your that bored then go play a round or find another hobby but dont ruin it for the rest of us.


It really does not matter to me if you burn buds or not.
That's up to you.......
I hope your atleast 21 though.

Seen folks , while playing , shoot up (speedballs) , smoke rock (different kinds), drop acid and smoke different kinds of pot ( You can smell the difference ) eat Mushrooms , and drink beer , whine , Alcohol ( different and all kinds ).etc.................SO What...........Doesn't really bother me , unless I have to take them to the hospital , then I may be somewhat effected , but most likely not.

There are ALSO those who know how to smoke and drink and those that don't have a clue................ I won't get into that discussion , but some know what I'm talking about. We will leave that alone.

All I'm saying is , don't do it on the PDGA's time or tournament sponsor's time. Those guy's have to answer to some difficult asked questions and they could be put on the spot , which is no fun.......................trust me , I have been there and it s_uc-ks. :eek:

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If you think that pot is the only drug used in disc golf, you are crazy.

I have personally seen cocaine mushrooms, ex, and vicatin (sp?) used while playing disc golf - most of these were not PDGA play however.

I actually had a discussion with a disc golfer (who I will remain namless) who saw this thread and immediatly began expressing his opinion about it. He is a known user of some drugs and even admitted to me to using some of them in / before a PDGA tournament.

I asked him flat out if he went to a PDGA tournament and h was made to take a drug test, what would happen. He said he would fail.

His point after this was that he would quit playing disc golf sanctioned events if drug tests were ever administered (and personally knowing a member of the PDGA board, this is not as far fetched as it may seem). He also felt that over half of the people who actively play in PDGA tournaments would quit all together.

So this brought up this question - would you give up playing sanctioned events or give up using drugs?

maybe you should implement this policy at a tournament and see what happens, I would love to place a wager on the # in attendance.The sport seems to be growing every day, why ruin that. If its not broke, dont fix it.

(who I will remain namless)




stop talking to yourself

: ) :

I had a conversation with a cop last night, we were just chatting. He looked at my Discraft hat and asks me:
"You play disc golf? You know what that means..."
"I enjoy the sport?".
He laughs, "No. You smoke dope."
"I need a new hat"
He told me that most cops in my area would assume I smoke dope if I was pulled over sporting a DG hat or shirt.

that sucks

I had a conversation with a cop last night, we were just chatting. He looked at my Discraft hat and asks me:
"You play disc golf? You know what that means..."
"I enjoy the sport?".
He laughs, "No. You smoke dope."
"I need a new hat"
He told me that most cops in my area would assume I smoke dope if I was pulled over sporting a DG hat or shirt.



An absolute perfect example of what I'm talking about. That is not funny at all - it's just sad.

If someone is not upset by this, then you must not care about the sport as much as me.

I wasn't meaning to be funny. I think it's a possibility he was making a joke, because he followed that up with:
"It's just like when we pull someone over with a John Deere hat on-we know he's drunk"
I didn't laugh.

I had a conversation with a cop last night, we were just chatting. He looked at my Discraft hat and asks me:
"You play disc golf? You know what that means..."
"I enjoy the sport?".
He laughs, "No. You smoke dope."
"I need a new hat"
He told me that most cops in my area would assume I smoke dope if I was pulled over sporting a DG hat or shirt.



An absolute perfect example of what I'm talking about. That is not funny at all - it's just sad.

If someone is not upset by this, then you must not care about the sport as much as me.



I've said it once, and i'll say it 1000 more times.......

Manufacturers and vendors need to quit selling to HEAD SHOPS! :mad:It wont immediately heal the blackeye that the sport already has, but it will help begin the healing process.

It's called profiling and it's one of the many illegal tools cops use to keep us "safe" from criminals (other than the ones on the police force).

Once again, this idea is just plain stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care what people think about me. Heck if I ride a skateboard im a no good for nothing punk. If I play disc golf, I must like to smoke some weed. who cares. Have fun, play your game, and keep it all low key.

I agree- not to mention that the discs there are supposedly overpriced from what I have heard but a friend of mine did go there about 7 or 8 months ago and found 3 max weight 10x Rocs.

we should stop selling our discs at sporting goods stores too then since Ricky Williams smokes pot and all baseball players use steroids. And those basketball players are good-for-nothing folk also who like to punch people out.

Sorry InFlight, sorry Quonset Hut, you can no longer sell discs because you sell pipes. another BAD IDEA.

Would team Innova even exist if there was drug testing ;)

I actually had a discussion with a disc golfer (who I will remain namless) who saw this thread and immediatly began expressing his opinion about it. He is a known user of some drugs and even admitted to me to using some of them in / before a PDGA tournament.

I asked him flat out if he went to a PDGA tournament and h was made to take a drug test, what would happen. He said he would fail.

His point after this was that he would quit playing disc golf sanctioned events if drug tests were ever administered (and personally knowing a member of the PDGA board, this is not as far fetched as it may seem). He also felt that over half of the people who actively play in PDGA tournaments would quit all together.

So this brought up this question - would you give up playing sanctioned events or give up using drugs?



Well, since you are talking about me, then I guess I would.


He also felt that over half of the people who actively play in PDGA tournaments would quit all together.



And you know what MtL's response to this statement was...
"Well at least then I would win."

Yet MY priorities are screwed up according to MtL...

I would also quit if they banned jump puTTs...

Enforce the rules that we already have in place, and why does this thread even need to exist??? Oh yeah, to give Robert something else to complain about. Sorry, forgot who started the thread for a second.

MY HERO, you have the perfect perspective. I can give you a perfect example of how this stigma affects our sport. I work at a large auto dealership, for a prestigous car line. My company sponsors many different activities / functions in my community. Due to this " issue " associated with disc golf, I would never dream of approaching my owners with the prospect of a potential sponsorship. I do not wish for them to associate me with " the dark side of disc golf " . We could be taking ace runs in sanctioned events to win a luxury automobile, similar to that of the PGA. But this inadvertant association with drug use will never let that happen. THAT SUCKS!
What is that old saying about the bad apple and the bunch??

One time, at band camp, I saw a guy use a disc of his that had a Chiquita Banana sticker on it. I let him finish the round using it, without telling him that stickers on the disc made it ILLEGAL. There has not been a day that has gone by where I don't reflect on the moment, and wish I did more to 1)inform the deviant of his wrongdoings, 2)keep my civic responsabilities to the PDGA and rat him out for cheating, and 3)give him back his lighter and double mini he left on the previous teebox. :o

And you know what MtL's response to this statement was...
"Well at least then I would win."

Yet MY priorities are screwed up according to MtL...



stop taking stuff that I said that was meant to be a joke and be funny and making it into something serious. Why didn;t you add the fact that I laughed after I said that?

That is slander.

libel?

I would also quit if they banned jump puTTs...

Enforce the rules that we already have in place, and why does this thread even need to exist??? Oh yeah, to give Robert something else to complain about. Sorry, forgot who started the thread for a second.



This has nothing to do with giving me somethign to complain about - lord knows I could easily find something else :D

This thread was about one thing - b/c I care so much about this sport and the growth of it. This sport literally saved my life (no joke). I want this sport to grow to a point that is a sport where the top players can truly make a living, where everyone knows what disc golf is. The only thing that I find more important to me than disc golf is my Christian beliefs and my family. Ask me what my biggest accomplishment in my life is - I won't say getting a college degree or anything like that, it would be winning a PDGA tournament. Ask me what my favorite thing to do is and before you can finish the question I'm already telling you why it's disc golf. The only part of the game I do not like is the drug use. Now I'm not oblivious enough to think that there will be a time where the PDGA is 100% clean, b/c no workplace or school or orginazation can say that, but the drug use will be the downfall of the PDGA and the sport I feel. However, as long as there are players courses and discs, there will be a sport. But in the long run, I really feel that the drug use will be what keeps us from a major corporate sponser.

20 years ago no one thought the steriod use in baseball would ever hurt it - and look at it's image now.

There was also a time that people said that snowboarding would never make it in the olympics b/c of drug use, and look at it now.

I probably have lost a lot of respect from people (if I hadn't lost it already) but I don't care - all I care is that sport gets to a level where we all want it, and getting past the drug use and image is a major step

cheetos could sponsor us. :)

libel?




libel is in print through the media - this is slander, not libel. I got a B in media law - I know this stuff :D

Robert, go visit a ski area sometime. I'd recommend Mary Jane in Colorado. Don't be afraid of the huts just off the beaten path. Nice peoples!

Uhhhh what were we just talking about???

cheetos could sponsor us. :)



Now, dat wuz funny.

"There was also a time that people said that snowboarding would never make it in the olympics b/c of drug use, and look at it now."

snowboarders are still looked at as stoners. did you hear Ws comment when he congraulated the girl who won. it was something like this "welcome dudes and dudettes".
i guess he was doing some profiling of his own.

Really? I thought if it was written, then it was libel. Spoken for slander. If BR had said "MTL thinks he would win if there were drug testing," rather than saying you said it, would it have been libel?

It isn't slander if he said it, which he said he did. He just didn't say MTL laughed. Which is just editing.

disc golf will grow no matter what. HEck when I started i 94, there were 375 courses in the world, and the PDGA numbers were just below 10000. Now some 12 years later, there are over 1000 courses, PDGA numbers have risen over 30000, and the local course that used to be my own private paradise, is now completely packed everyday of the week......



Disc Golfers are a community, and most in this community have a love for nature..............plants included. I think people like MTL are out of the norm. or at least from what I have seen over the last 12 years of spending almost every day of my life on a disc golf course. And that is not a bad thing either. And believe me, this is perhaps the best community of people I have ever encountered. I would hate to see the spirit of the true disc golfer lost.

Heck, most of these new golfers have never even thrown a lid.....it's very sad. take a look at the old school frisbee players discs sometime. notice the burn marks on the bottom.

It isn't slander if he said it, which he said he did. He just didn't say MTL laughed. Which is just editing.



very good point - my whole point was BS simply turned something I said into something that it was not to help himself make a point - which we all have done at one point I'm sure.

I really think that anyone who truly knows me realizes I joke around all the time. If I was in this game to win or win money, I wouldn't still be playing. I only cash around 50% of the time and when I do, its ussually around last cash or so. My competitive nature could be intrepreted for "wanting to win" but that is no where near the main reason I compete.

Disc Golfers are a community, and most in this community have a love for nature..............plants included. I think people like MTL are out of the norm.


sigh.......just think how much bigger disc golf could be if it weren't relegated to the stoner crowd. Instead of only including the rare few non-dopers who love flinging a frisbeee enough to walk through the smoke, the sport could be huge if it were more inclusive and welcomed non-dopers too.

There are a lot of people who don't give a crap what you do at home, but at the same time do not want to be stuck in foursome of active law-breaking. I'm pretty sure a whole lotta them would love playing disc golf if given the chance to do so.

To have Drug testing in this sport is a Pipe Dream.

Check this :

We were talking with reps from Anheiser/Busch ( good folks from Budweiser ) to help with some sponsoring of local tournaments and they flat out said " We can not be Associated with any sporting venue that condones drug usage". :eek:

Condones drug usage??????

Last I read it was against the rules.

If "no drug testing" equates to "condoning drug use," then I guess we do, but so do a lot of other sports. Sports that Budweiser probably sponsors.

What the heck does "green belt" mean?

To have Drug testing in this sport is a Pipe Dream.



[rimshot!]

Check this :

We were talking with reps from Anheiser/Busch ( good folks from Budweiser ) to help with some sponsoring of local tournaments and they flat out said " We can not be Associated with any sporting venue that condones drug usage". :eek:



the point of that is not that we condone it, but a major company thinks we condone it.

Check this :

We were talking with reps from Anheiser/Busch ( good folks from Budweiser ) to help with some sponsoring of local tournaments and they flat out said " We can not be Associated with any sporting venue that condones drug usage". :eek:



the point of that is not that we condone it, but a major company thinks we condone it.



Actually, the point is that a major company who distributes legal drugs doesn't want to be associated with an organization who has the public image of condoning illegal drugs.

sigh.......just think how much bigger disc golf could be if it weren't relegated to the stoner crowd. Instead of only including the rare few non-dopers who love flinging a frisbeee enough to walk through the smoke, the sport could be huge if it were more inclusive and welcomed non-dopers too.

There are a lot of people who don't give a crap what you do at home, but at the same time do not want to be stuck in foursome of active law-breaking. I'm pretty sure a whole lotta them would love playing disc golf if given the chance to do so.



my 2 cents...

I don't care what people do in their free time, at home, in the car, etc, but it does bother me when the toke in my group during a tourny. I don't want others see me in a group that has 1 or 2 people smoking up and automatically think that I smoke too.

Political viewpoints aside....it is currently illegal to smoke weed anywhere unless you have a prescription and I am sure that the majority of the people that do smoke weed in the PDGA do not have a prescription.

Beer...

no it doesn't affect me if people drink beer during a tourny, but it is illegal to do so in many of the public parks...so don't do it.

If people can't wait a couple hours to smoke a bowl, or drink a beer or two...then isn't that an addiction?

3 words can sum up the topic...

FOLLOW THE RULES!

If people can't wait a couple hours to smoke a bowl, or drink a beer or two...then isn't that an addiction?




great point

If people can't wait a couple hours to smoke a bowl, or drink a beer or two...then isn't that an addiction?




great point



Not really. Whether people have an addiction or not is not a valid point to this argument. However, this is the great point...


FOLLOW THE RULES!



And you didn't laugh after your comment on the course that day to be clear. I remember because that was the moment I lost all remaining respect for your motivation and purpose in disc golf, and told you so that day.

And you didn't laugh after your comment on the course that day to be clear. I remember because that was the moment I lost all remaining respect for your motivation and purpose in disc golf, and told you so that day.



I'm not saying that I did laugh or not, I just really thought I did b/c I remember sayign ti really sarcastically.

And if you want to talk about motovation, you are the guy who skipped a NC Supertour b/c "you wanted a win" and then said "even MTL has a win"
But it really is not about winning and losing. I learned that a while back when disc golf was my only form of income and I went completly broke. After going crazy and putting tremendous amounts of pressure on myself, I alsmot quit. Then i started playing just to have fun, and I enjoy the game much better now. I don't care that you are too blind to see past my sarcasm and get past the fact that you personaly do not care for me. But take notice of what I do for the game. I'm sure you never see me adding score cards or always helping out at tournaments b/c you are too busy sitting in the parking lot doing nothing

But it really is not about winning and losing. I learned that a while back when disc golf was my only form of income and I went completly broke. After going crazy and putting tremendous amounts of pressure on myself, I alsmot quit. Then i started playing just to have fun, and I enjoy the game much better now.



Is throwing a temper tantrum on every other hole really "having fun"??? If it is, you go for it Tizzle. Cuz when I am in the parking lot with my friends after tournaments, I am not "doing nothing", I am having fun.

I do agree with the going crazy part. I really think that you may need to consult a psychologist...that isn't a jab, just some REAL advice.

Totally unrelated to the issue of drug testing.

I just wanted to point out that while looking at "Cheetos," I was struck by the thread above entitled "Budweiser Select Corpus Christi Open."

I guess everyone at Bud didn't get the memo.

It is my understanding that the TD is very much up on enforcing the rules of the PDGA and will DQ and notify PDGA of drug or alcohol use during sanctioned rounds.

Totally unrelated to the issue of drug testing.

I just wanted to point out that while looking at "Cheetos," I was struck by the thread above entitled "Budweiser Select Corpus Christi Open."

I guess everyone at Bud didn't get the memo.



Interesting James :D

If anyone has ever played my events that have been sponsored by beer companies than they know I still enforce all the city, park and PDGA rules.

Offering a cold beer at lunch or after the round is an okay thing if done the right way to keep everyone happy.

I read somewhere Don from SoCal say that Budweiser there said "no way" to sponsorship there events because of drugs. Why was the Golden State NT sponsored by Micholob then?

My presentation to Budweiser and Miller for the last 6 years of dealing with them has nothing to do with the personal smoking preferences or whatever you call it. It concentrates on cross marketing and promotion with restaurants etc and what we can offer them before, during and after the event. When we as promoters learn to do more than ask for free beer and put up a little tee sign the easier it will be to get sponsored. Everytime (except one) event I have had sponsored by a beer company has given CASH, beer, signage, promo materials, restuarant connection and promos...the list goes on. I think what I can offer them in return is a win win situation otherwise they would not do it.

At the above mentioned Bud Select Open much of the promotion is away from the course. The beer and girls at the course are a bonus.

One day I will land the big one...it may just have to be the "Fosters Australian Open" :D

Thanks
Chris

I read somewhere Don from SoCal say that Budweiser there said "no way" to sponsorship there events because of drugs. Why was the Golden State NT sponsored by Micholob then?


The Golden State Classic and the U.S. Masters have both been sponsored by Triangle Ditributing and Michelob for several years. They are great partners to work with.

Who knows what Donny is talking about.

Is throwing a temper tantrum on every other hole really "having fun"??? If it is, you go for it Tizzle. Cuz when I am in the parking lot with my friends after tournaments, I am not "doing nothing", I am having fun.





Yeah how many times did you hear me this weekend - the answer is none - the other two TT boys even told me afterwars how much better I am getting at outbursts and getting frustrated. I said this to you PM, I recogonize my flaws and am constantly striving to improve them - they are really all rooted to my love of competition and desire to always play to my highest abilty. If you can't see improvements in my game (which I know you have cuz you ahve told me face to face), then you are no where near the person I have always thought you were.

One day I will land the big one...it may just have to be the "Fosters Australian Open" :D




Not to burst yer bubble, but Fosters is made in Canada. Look on the can, mate. Of course, Aussie Fosters just might be made in Australia... Probably tastes a bit different too.

3 words can sum up the topic...

FOLLOW THE RULES!


You know, we've run into the issue of smoking (anything) a few times in Colorado, and I'm sure in several of the western states. There has recently been an outdoor burn ban in effect, and at several of the parks there are signs posted stating that outdoor smoking (of any kind) is illegal while the burn bans are in effect. There was outrage at a recent tournament over this from cigarette smokers. I understand there was a similar issue at Am Worlds last year in Flagstaff? The fact of the matter is that the PDGA rules state that local laws are in effect, and any violation of the laws is grounds for disqualification:


804.05 A
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
(1) Unsportsmanlike conduct, such as; loud cursing, throwing things in anger (other than discs in play), or overt rudeness to anyone present
(2) Willful and overt destruction or abuse of plant life, course hardware, or any other property considered part of the disc golf course or the park.
(3) Cheating: a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play.
(4) Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol. Directors are granted the discretion to disqualify a player based on the severity of the offending conduct. An official warning of disqualification may be issued by a director where appropriate.


If we all paid attention to park rules, then there would be no need for drug testing. (my 2 cents)

You know, we've run into the issue of smoking (anything) a few times in Colorado, and I'm sure in several of the western states. There has recently been an outdoor burn ban in effect, and at several of the parks there are signs posted stating that outdoor smoking (of any kind) is illegal while the burn bans are in effect. There was outrage at a recent tournament over this from cigarette smokers.


Very true marshief! Did you happen to notice that the biggest complainer (re: the smoking ban) at that morning's players meeting flicked his still-lit butt into the grass during the CTP contests after the final round? I didn't say anything 'cause I think he had a few drinks in him by that time and I didn't need that kind of hassle. I just waited until everyone had moved on then put it out and disposed of it.

My $0.02? If you don't respect the rules, you don't respect the game. If you don't respect the game, why bother coming out to events? If you want to enjoy disc golf, come out to the course. If "enjoying" something else is more important to you, stay home and do it private so the rest of us don't have to put up with it. Relinquishing soapbox now...

nanook

Check this :

We were talking with reps from Anheiser/Busch ( good folks from Budweiser ) to help with some sponsoring of local tournaments and they flat out said " We can not be Associated with any sporting venue that condones drug usage". :eek:



the point of that is not that we condone it, but a major company thinks we condone it.



Actually, the point is that a major company who distributes legal drugs doesn't want to be associated with an organization who has the public image of condoning illegal drugs.



:( That's pretty much what they said. I had talked with them for almost a hour with suit and tie on. Super clean cut and professional to the teeth. They liked me and maybe I'll even seek personal sponsorship , but I was asking for a sponsorship which would cover , close to 25 events.

I also submitted to them my R�sum� , DMV printout and sample ( drug test ) for employment.

And for Chris..................Yes , I understand that Michelob , another company of Anheiser/Busch , does like the Disc Golf community.....That was for only one event though , I was looking for Budweiser to help with 25 + events and like you said .....It concentrates on cross marketing and promotion with restaurants etc and what we can offer them before, during and after the event. When we as promoters learn to do more than ask for free beer and put up a little tee sign the easier it will be to get sponsored.

I really appreciate the corporate sponsors and the tremendous sponsorship /help they provide the TD's at each event.
The tough part is retaining them for the long haul !!!!

I also submitted to them my R�sum� , DMV printout and sample ( drug test ) for employment.


Wait a minute....you went in there to talk about disc golf sposorship wearing a suit and tie, with a DMV printout in one hand and #$*&$! sample in the other???

Something doesn't make sense here...

Two separate visits. One week span. Both went very well.

Plus , it always helps to look corporate.
Corporations take you more seriously when making presentations.

actually
australians would not drink a Fosters if they were dying of thirst in the desert.
It would probably be close to impossible to even get a fosters in Aus unless you were in an american bar in a big city....

"Fosters...Australian for beer" I think not.

While I have never been to Aus. I worked with some aussies in Japan...

Is drinking during the lunch break of a pdga event legal??? just curious

I have always been told aussies see Fosters, like american see Milwaukees Worst

They like Pils Urquell (sp?)

actually
australians would not drink a Fosters if they were dying of thirst in the desert.
It would probably be close to impossible to even get a fosters in Aus unless you were in an american bar in a big city....

"Fosters...Australian for beer" I think not.

While I have never been to Aus. I worked with some aussies in Japan...

Is drinking during the lunch break of a pdga event legal??? just curious



Happens at every event I have ever attended and nobody has any Issues with it.
Just don't be getting hammered in front of the TD.

Rules state DURING PDGA rounds. Your own time is yours , off the course.

none after the 2 minute warning or until you turn in your cards..the rest is yours to swill :D

I still know a few that carry flasks.

Is drinking during the lunch break of a pdga event legal??? just curious



one could argue that it is infact against PDGA rules, if the park does not allow it.

804.05 A
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
(4) Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol.

So therefore, even at player meetings, lunch break, awards, whatever, drinking on the park property would be against PDGA rules. IF you were at a park that allowed it or a private course, there would be no issue invovled.

I know that all events in Raleigh have a no alcohol tollerance policy. Caught drinking at anytime at any point on the course is grounds for immediate DQ

none after the 2 minute warning or until you turn in your cards..the rest is yours to swill :D


I think you can crack the warm beer you've been carrying in your bag all round as soon as your last putt is pulled from the basket.

Provided drinking is legal at the course.

I don't care that you are too blind to see past my sarcasm and get past the fact that you personaly do not care for me. But take notice of what I do for the game. I'm sure you never see me adding score cards or always helping out at tournaments b/c you are too busy sitting in the parking lot doing nothing



One, I think you do care or you wouldn't be fussing about this with BS. Two, you do alot for the local DG community and have been recognized for it. What's the point in telling everyone you help out more than them?

On point though, I do agree that drugs of any sort have no place during PDGA rounds. Getting drunk and stoned during rounds seems like a waste of money to me. But I do not believe that requiring drug tests for entry into events will help the sport in any way. It would just keep guys/gals like me from competing and doing what we love. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to say try to change their perspective instead of banish a large percentage of the PDGA's members?

let them find out the hard way -when no one shows up for their tourneys :D. I bet they will be surprised who doesnt show up :D; I dont really understand what all the fuss is about anyway besides these crybabies mad because some guy came back from lunch lit and beat them.It will be so funny listening to them tell big sponsors like Nike- sorry we didnt know that 75% of the field was going to bail because of our stupid drug test to non-salaried employees.They will instantly think this is the dumbest sport in the world and never sponsor a tourney again.The PGA didnt get where they are today with drug tests so why should we; once again I would rather see the complainers take up another sport and ruin it; for example maybe Rhett and MTL should tour the United States and give everyone playing horseshoes a breathalyzer.

\ I dont really understand what all the fuss is about anyway besides these crybabies mad because some guy came back from lunch lit and beat them.



That is the the worst asumption I have ever read on the message board. Congrats on being that guy.

why doesn't the PDGA test for Drug Use before worlds or majors or at random events?

We all know that probably 95% of the people would fail it which is why this will never happen.



If 95% of everyone would fail, it's a pretty good assumption that one of them would win heh? Or is your assumption about 95% failing the worst assumption ever? :p
Quit eatin them tard sandwiches.... :D

Ok so 95% was a little high. I've thought about it for a while, and I would say that it would probably be around 60 - 70.

Is drinking during the lunch break of a pdga event legal??? just curious



one could argue that it is infact against PDGA rules, if the park does not allow it.

804.05 A
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
(4) Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol.

So therefore, even at player meetings, lunch break, awards, whatever, drinking on the park property would be against PDGA rules. IF you were at a park that allowed it or a private course, there would be no issue invovled.

I know that all events in Raleigh have a no alcohol tollerance policy. Caught drinking at anytime at any point on the course is grounds for immediate DQ



:eek: Very true for some parks and parking lots too.

They will instantly think this is the dumbest sport in the world and never sponsor a tourney again.

Not sure about that. Seen yesterday on ESPN , professional shin kicking contest !!!!!!!

Shin Kicking contest. No Way !!!!! :eek:
You grab or lock arms together with your opponent , using only your legs , try and kick as hard as you can your opponent's Shins and take them down !!!!!

Seen this about three times already. Now this gets ESPN exposure !!!!! :eek:

Weak !!!!! :mad:

I'd be psyched if more people who complained on this board got laid! I know that is far fetched for some, and would be a first for others. I'd like to throw $20 in a fund for MTL.

lol, no joke.

Ok so 95% was a little high. I've thought about it for a while, and I would say that it would probably be around 60 - 70.

I was thinking around 90 % myself.

A PDGA with random drug testing, would be like playing events with a field of 90 MTL's.

lol, I really dont understand his reasoning behind this because it would cause a significant decrease in the # of tournament players.Why would you want to play against a small field, I hate showing up to a tournament and only having another card or 2 to play against, and I play ADV. He plays open for cash, so therefore I really dont understand, why wouldn't you want more players so the purse will increase.

why couldn't it be 89 Schweb's and one MtL

He plays open for cash, so therefore I really dont understand, why wouldn't you want more players so the purse will increase.



You are really good as this asumption stuff!

I do not play open for cash - I play open b/c I was no longer being challenged in advanced and wanted a bigger challenge. I have a decent job where I make decent money. I also live at home helping take care of dad who is bad off with cancer. B/c of this, I am finacially ok right now, so disc golf is just something I do for fun.

The reason for this thread was not started so I could get rid of players better than me or any other asinine reason you can think up.

why couldn't it be 89 Schweb's and one MtL



that would be the most coughing ever at a tournament. me and you do cough more than anyone I've ever played with.

The majority of my disc golf friends are drug free.

let them find out the hard way -when no one shows up for their tourneys :D. I bet they will be surprised who doesnt show up :D


How many people show up to PizzaGod's "Clean Air" tourneys in Texas? Maybe you should be surprised.




once again I would rather see the complainers take up another sport and ruin it; for example maybe Rhett and MTL should tour the United States and give everyone playing horseshoes a breathalyzer.


You heard it hear first: disc golf tourneys are something for pot smokers to do while they are getting loaded.

It's too bad disc golf can't just be about disc golf. It's too bad the stoners in the sport can't embrace the old "frisbee spirit" and be inclusive of all people wishing to partake of the joys of flying plastic. But instead you have to be willing and able to be around active drug use in order to do so. :(

not true, not true. Did anyone exclude you while you played Victoria Open? I didnt think so, no one here is trying to exclude anyone from the sport,except for you trying to exclude the largest group of people who play the sport.I dont see this happening at tournaments anymore at all, maybe you do but I dont ever see anyone partaking during rounds anymore.Everyone knows to do that kind of thing after rounds or somewhere else

I keep to myself and do not push others. why exclude me from competition just because of something that should be legal anyway?

...no one here is trying to exclude anyone from the sport,except for you trying to exclude the largest group of people who play the sport.


You just posted that people who complain about on-course smoking should take up another sport. That sounds pretty exclusionary to me!

I personally do not care what anyone does outside of the park or the course. While I would like to see disc golf drug free, I understand that nothing will ever be drug free. I'm just tired of people doing it during rounds bnetwen rounds, etc.

How do you define a hypocrit? Someone who wants to exclude people after complaining that people should not exclude others

what does barry bonds smoke? i thought he used steriods? i do not understand what this thread is about? weed or steriods? if it is the former i do not get the first post on page one. can you clarify for me MTL. love ya buddy

oh yeah and just to be totally clear here i am just really bored at work and wanted to pull MTL's chain

what does barry bonds smoke? i thought he used steriods? i do not understand what this thread is about? weed or steriods? if it is the former i do not get the first post on page one. can you clarify for me MTL. love ya buddy



while weed and steriods are in two totally different catagories, they do share one common thing - being illegal.

the reason I mentioned barry was b/c of what he has done to baseball. He is closing in on the greatest record in sports and no one cares, b/c of an image he has.
I don't want that sort of thing to happen in our sport.

:eek: What ? You mean we have Champions that use ?

You just posted that people who complain about on-course smoking should take up another sport. That sounds pretty exclusionary to me!

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Really? I dont remember typing that at all, and this topic is not about on-course smoking.I'm through posting on here,you win.If I have made any enemies on here, sorry but it is a discussion board.With the sport growing at the fast pace that it is, I see no reason to implement new rules and changes which could possibly run some players off from the sport.

my .02

You just posted that people who complain about on-course smoking should take up another sport. That sounds pretty exclusionary to me!



Really? I dont remember typing that at all, and this topic is not about on-course smoking.I'm through posting on here,you win.If I have made any enemies on here, sorry but it is a discussion board.With the sport growing at the fast pace that it is, I see no reason to implement new rules and changes which could possibly run some players off from the sport.

my .02

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this isn't a contest, therefore, no winners and losers.

And using your same arguement, don't you think someone who doesn't partake is just as likely to be turned away from the sport is they see a bunch of people using?

i would like to state in my last probably ten tournaments i have witnessed zero drug use during rounds. people know the rules and dont want to get DQed .

i would like to state in my last probably ten tournaments i have witnessed zero drug use during rounds. people know the rules and dont want to get DQed .



great! I too have not witnessed much lately.

then what is this all about?

It may be about some people actively seeking attention.

this thread was created to raise awareness of a true problem we have in this sport. Our reputation.

WWSHD? - (What would snowboarders have done?). A good point of reference because they were in this situation themselves not so long ago.

I know what Shaun Palmer would do, did, is doing. :o
He's got medals, endorsements, and money. He never sold himself out either. I bet the whole community of snowboarding is forever grateful that he didn't. I'm sure he has dealt with his share of MTL's.

WWSHD? - (What would snowboarders have done?). A good point of reference because they were in this situation themselves not so long ago.

I know what Shaun Palmer would do, did, is doing. :o
He's got medals, endorsements, and money. He never sold himself out either. I bet the whole community of snowboarding is forever grateful that he didn't. I'm sure he has dealt with his share of MTL's.



do you not read my posts? did I not say that snow boarding had to have similar issues??

If he competed in the olympics, he was drug free. It is that simple.

no it just means the urine in the sample was drug free

See here is the problem. All we are asking is that you respect and follow the rules of the pdga and laws of our country... period. There are plenty of rules and laws that I do not agree with but there is a proper way to try to change them.
But at the same time I will follow them.

If that makes me an "MTL" then so be it.

i dont do any drugs whatsoever..nor do i drink....i was just pointing out that a drug test is useless unless the tester actually watches the sample leave the persons body with their own eyes...which is a one in a million thing beleive it or not.

i dont do any drugs whatsoever..nor do i drink....i was just pointing out that a drug test is useless unless the tester actually watches the sample leave the persons body with their own eyes...which is a one in a million thing beleive it or not.



sorry scott I was speaking in general not as a reply to your last post.

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i would like to state in my last probably ten tournaments i have witnessed zero drug use during rounds. people know the rules and dont want to get DQed .


I recently played in an NT event and witnessed drug use during the round. The player didn't care if he was DQ'd or not (wasn't playing well) but I thought that there was also a 1 year suspension?

All we are asking is that you respect and follow the rules of the pdga and laws of our country... period.



What do you mean by this? It sounds awfully big-brotherish.

Are you saying you want drug testing to ensure people are following the laws of the country on non-PDGA time?

I agree drug AND achohol use during tournament hurt disc golf and the growth of the game and it would be nice if people could refrain from doing so until after the round(s) are over and OFF of the park property or do it prior to coming to the event/on the way home. If the park permits drinking alcohol then I don't see a problem with it before/between/after the rounds but during is definately a problem and against PDGA rules.

From my tournament experience, alcohol and weed/herb/dope/nuggets/whatever are the drugs of choice and from my personal experience they are not in the least bit performance enhancing which is why drug testing for these types of drugs is pointless (along with the fact that drug tests can be passed easily, I know this from personal experience too).

I really hate when people ask if its OK to "smoke", I would like to say "sure, as long as the TD doesn't mind, its cool with me" but then I would probably create some bad vibes and I'd rather just let them get high.

I used to like to smoke before tournaments (I not gonna deny it) and the first 2 times I didn't smoke before, guess what, I won. Coincidence? Probably. Just my .02

i would like to state in my last probably ten tournaments i have witnessed zero drug use during rounds. people know the rules and dont want to get DQed .


I recently played in an NT event and witnessed drug use during the round. The player didn't care if he was DQ'd or not (wasn't playing well) but I thought that there was also a 1 year suspension?



"I recently played in an NT event and witnessed drug use during the round. The player didn't care if he was DQ'd or not (wasn't playing well) but I thought that there was also a 1 year suspension?

That's the thing !!!!! At any Major Event , the TD could not only lose Major Sponsorship and Credibility to EVER hold a event there again , but possibly, even have the course pulled by the City !!!! :eek:

Soooooo......are we done here? Can we let this thread die? It seems like everything has been said.

Smoking dope at PDGA tourneys is bad, mmm-kay?

Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion and would not be possible.

Let's move along people. Nothing left to say here.

Soooooo......are we done here? Can we let this thread die? It seems like everything has been said.

Smoking dope at PDGA tourneys is bad, mmm-kay?

Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion and would not be possible.

Let's move along people. Nothing left to say here.



Just ignore it if it really bothers you.

Soooooo......are we done here? Can we let this thread die? It seems like everything has been said.

Smoking dope at PDGA tourneys is bad, mmm-kay?

Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion and would not be possible.

Let's move along people. Nothing left to say here.



Just ignore it if it really bothers you.



That is what you do when you let people smoke during an event. Call the rule. Rhett is on your side by the way.

Soooooo......are we done here? Can we let this thread die? It seems like everything has been said.

Smoking dope at PDGA tourneys is bad, mmm-kay?

Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion and would not be possible.

Let's move along people. Nothing left to say here.



:D

Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion...

how in the world do the iranians have anything to do with this?

All we are asking is that you respect and follow the rules of the pdga and laws of our country... period.



What do you mean by this? It sounds awfully big-brotherish.

Are you saying you want drug testing to ensure people are following the laws of the country on non-PDGA time?



James, sorry for the confusion. I do not believe that drug testing is an option at this time. I meant those comments in general terms. Just respect the rules and laws as we are playing a tourney is what i was getting at.

until drug tests can show that someone was under the influence of marijuana *during* the 0 to 8 hours prior to the testing -- unlike the present tests which i believe only show if the testee was under the influence of THC for the last 30 days -- it is hardly fair to cite them for breaking a PDGA rule prohibiting use of illegal drugs during competition. it would be like taking away a title from a champion because a test showed they had consumed alcohol during the prior 30 days. if the test shows they were under the influence at the time they were competing -- then throw the book at them. but really, let's not get reefer fever. i don't like being around pot and don't want it in public parks, let alone at sanctioned events, but right now i don't think testing for pot works unless you add a strong touch of denial about what it proves... :confused:

Yea ................kinda sad.

I just don't want Disc Golf's only attention on the 11:00 news to be about how some clowns were busted for dealing on the course to some undercover officers.

Our course , right now is under Investigation. :(

talk some of you local police officers into taking up our sport and ask them to drive their squad cars to the park when they do come to play :eek: :D

you could give them a JK Aviar. just don't let it be a 3x one with a green or blue hotstamp. trade those ones to me :D

Our course , right now is under Investigation. :(



I hear they are looking for a "Long haired guy that kinda looks like Ron Jeremy" /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:D

:cool:

talk some of you local police officers into taking up our sport and ask them to drive their squad cars to the park when they do come to play :eek: :D

you could give them a JK Aviar. just don't let it be a 3x one with a green or blue hotstamp. trade those ones to me :D


:D

Our course , right now is under Investigation. :(



I hear they are looking for a "Long haired guy that kinda looks like Ron Jeremy" /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:D



Seen that picture !!!!! :D


Don't turn your back on Rhett...
http://www.k9care.com/fga/Ron_Jeremy3.jpg

Laughed so hard I fell out of my, er, uh, well my seat. :)



Drug testing at PDGA tourneys is a farcical notion...

how in the world do the iranians have anything to do with this?

i shot a pot head once for breaking the law

: ) :



what a #$*&$!. keep your mind closed though. it continues to make others look smarter.

Check this :

We were talking with reps from Anheiser/Busch ( good folks from Budweiser ) to help with some sponsoring of local tournaments and they flat out said " We can not be Associated with any sporting venue that condones drug usage". :eek:



check your facts miss. budweiser IS sponsoring a tourney here in texas.

i would like to state in my last probably ten tournaments i have witnessed zero drug use during rounds. people know the rules and dont want to get DQed .



great! I too have not witnessed much lately.




then quit your #$*&$! !!!

ive tried to read all these posts before putting my own thoughts here. here goes. i think alot of you people need to relax a lot. your all wound up on this topic and thats what draws attention to the pot being smoked. i can see the local news not covering a disc golf tourney for the tourney, but the news covering the event because somebody wanted to make a huge ordeal out of a few pot smokers

you want more negative attention. continue to talk about it in such a broad way.

secondly ( and most important ), i play disc golf to relax, if i want to drink a beer, thats what im going to do. if someone wants to smoke pot, thats cool too but not in public places like in front of kids. i do not play disc golf to be around a bunch of stuck up, wound up, democratic, rule book quoting, mtl's. if thats where sanctioned tournament golf is headed, count me out. i'd rather play casual and have fun than listen to someone whine about this rule or that rule.

mtl..your christian beliefs as you say should tell you this. " let go and let god"
have you ever heard of the serenety prayer? it goes like this

" GOD grant me the serentity to ACCEPT the things i cannot change, courage to change the things i can, and the wisdom to know the difference"

just relax mtl, take care of the things you have control over. if you dont want to be around the pot smoking, alienate yourself, not everyone else.

im done here. going golfing and drinking. not necessarily in that order. :)

" GOD grant me the serentity to ACCEPT the things i cannot change, courage to change the things I can , and the wisdom to know the difference"



I think you've unwittingly made his point.

" GOD grant me the serentity to ACCEPT the things i cannot change, courage to change the things I can , and the wisdom to know the difference"



I think you've unwittingly made his point.


I agree.

i do not play disc golf to be around a bunch of stuck up, wound up, democratic, rule book quoting, mtl's.



Is MTL a democrat? :D

" GOD grant me the serentity to ACCEPT the things i cannot change, courage to change the things I can , and the wisdom to know the difference"



I think you've unwittingly made his point.


I agree.



Wisdom tells different people different things.
Here it looks like something that can be changed in most places, at least during sanctioned events.

Maybe the smokers need to accept the inevitable.

your all wound up on this topic and thats what draws attention to the pot being smoked.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the pot being smoked is what draws attention to the pot being smoked.

i do not play disc golf to be around a bunch of stuck up, wound up, democratic, rule book quoting, mtl's.



Is MTL a democrat? :D



The only pick up truck driving, country music listening, Baptist Church going demcrat ever!

your all wound up on this topic and thats what draws attention to the pot being smoked.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but, the pot being smoked is what draws attention to the pot being smoked.



*applauding*

secondly ( and most important ), i play disc golf to relax, if i want to drink a beer, thats what im going to do.



well, if you continue to feel this way, due to your drinking in yuour park, the course could be pulled from the ground. It has been threatened before and I've seen baskets taken out of the ground due to beer cans. I'm not sawing your not responsible and you litter, but you are setting an example.

I have absolutly NO problem with somone like yourself who plays just to relax and have fun, I actually wish that I was like that in a way - I put way to much pressure on myself at times. But the fact of the matter is, you have to find a way to relax that is within park law and rules of the sport. IT may suck, but it is a reality.

Sad part is , here , there are guys that show up with their golf bags and discs , just looking for someone with pot to smoke , not to really play. :(

i shot a pot head once for breaking the law

: ) :



what a #$*&$!. keep your mind closed though. it continues to make others look smarter.



i just wanted to post this because it's freakin hilarious

: ) :

Is this test to make sure everyone's good and luped up prior to the rounds?? :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D ;) :D

Is this test to make sure everyone's good and luped up prior to the rounds?? :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D ;) :D



:eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

i haven't hit the hippie lettuce in almost two decades, but when i did throwing frisbees (catch or ultimate) was always the bigger high ;)

Yup , they will be Suped Up before the rounds ....Der , Der, Der !!!!!
It's a Turd , It's a Tard , no it's Super Tard !!!!
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b346/a429MySpace/Funny/Comments/804336918mq.gif

how much does it cost to run a single drug test??? would the cost be included in the entry fee or is that something that the tournament will pay for??? i know i would not pay for myself to get drug tested. that is just a waste of money. so i guess you will make everyone drug test if your thread goes your way MTL. i can't wait to some kid in the junior division ask their parents why they had to pee in a cup. i would like to hear that conversation.

Ok, after much thought, here is my thoughts about this thread.

After much thought and long conversations with other disc golfers whose opinions I care a lot about, I have realized that not only will drug testing probably never happen, it probably is a bad idea. When I made this thread, I had just had a bad experience with someone smoking dope on the course and the Barry Bonds stuff was going on and I just made this thread out of anger. I have probably lost what little respect I have from some people and I will own up and say I can understand why people are mad at me b/c of this thread. I truly and honestly feel that what you do in your own time is your business, however your own time should not include on the course. If you have to get high before you play, thats fine. Just do it in your car outside of the park grounds.

For those who have been upset by this thread, I apologize. Just keep what you do to yourself and let's all enjoy this game. This sport reall is a blast to play! Keep em fling straight and remember it really is better than working!

Don't worry about it too much Robert, it's certainly not the first thread on the topic, and probably won't be the last.

MTL
Now that you've addressed this subject,
What are you doing to get the Hurricanes straight ???

Stanley Cup Finals game 7 Monday ... 'canes fans may be downgraded to an extra tropical depression. (That started in OT game 5 didn't it??)

no doubt about that! The canes just got absolutly dominated last night.

But as long as win the cup, I don't care how it happens. My buddy has two tickets to game 7 and I offered to not only by the extra ticket from him, but pay for him to go with me - hopefully it will work out for me!

I'll buy the tickets, we'll dump him & go.....
er ah
Go Oilers.
Triple overtime, who cares about work on Tuesday anyway.

how much does it cost to run a single drug test??? would the cost be included in the entry fee or is that something that the tournament will pay for??? i know i would not pay for myself to get drug tested. that is just a waste of money. so i guess you will make everyone drug test if your thread goes your way MTL. i can't wait to some kid in the junior division ask their parents why they had to pee in a cup. i would like to hear that conversation.



$200.00 to pee in a cup for starters. :eek:

Ok, after much thought, here is my thoughts about this thread.

After much thought and long conversations with other disc golfers whose opinions I care a lot about, I have realized that not only will drug testing probably never happen, it probably is a bad idea. When I made this thread, I had just had a bad experience with someone smoking dope on the course and the Barry Bonds stuff was going on and I just made this thread out of anger. I have probably lost what little respect I have from some people and I will own up and say I can understand why people are mad at me b/c of this thread. I truly and honestly feel that what you do in your own time is your business, however your own time should not include on the course. If you have to get high before you play, thats fine. Just do it in your car outside of the park grounds.

For those who have been upset by this thread, I apologize. Just keep what you do to yourself and let's all enjoy this game. This sport reall is a blast to play! Keep em fling straight and remember it really is better than working!



No worries. I play in foursomes , where I'm the only guy not smoking.

Some are considerate , some are blatant smokers.
If you say anything , your the bad guy.

I'm always asked , " How come you don't smoke?".

I say , don't need to........I'm happy the way I am !!!!!!

If you seen me .......................you would know , I'm lucky to be alive and playing Disc Golf !!!!

I have Issues with second hand cigarette smoke though.
I worked in a sports bar as a waiter for a few years , before they had ruled no smoking.
I still wake up every morning , coughing and my doctor says I now have mild emphysema. :mad:

MTL.......do NOT apologize...

I promised myself i was going to make a difference, and start to address all the illegal drug use during PDGA events...so, I would BEFORE each round started, inform my group that i have nothing against any drug use, but would like to see PDGA rules followed...I told them that if I witnessed any illegal drug use I would report that to the TD', and the TD could do as they wish...

I did this for 1 tourny, at the WVO, and automatically became the bad guy etc....but decided to stick to it, and maybe in the long run this would make a difference...

So, in Delaware, i was playing the second round, forgetting to announce that i would report any illegal drug use, and we hit a back-up on a hole......out of maybe 15 advanced players, 5-6 of them were smoking weed during the wait, during the tourny...IF i were to report them, all friends of mine, and all were DQed, then imagine the hype...."Brandon DQed us so he could win"..."what a #[email protected]^"..etc....

I did not report them i am sorry to say, and now just play and do not care...

trying to make a difference...ruins rounds with tension...

the person who reports them is a %$^#@....

people start to dislike u, (only the drug users)...

it can ruin your time in the game, babysitting the childish...

not worth the head-ache, while you try to enjoy your weekend...

The only time i will enforce the rule, is during the 1 tourny a year that i run...furthermore, i tell the players if 2 or more people witnessed illegal drug use, you can report it AFTER the round, and not have to put up with any tension, or childish behavior, from the player breaking the rules...also, since the tournament is on private property, the person who has broken the rules is DQed, no longer allowed at that course/property, and reported to the PDGA...

Like i have always said, smoke, shoot-up, sniff glue, whatever, as much as u like.....but NOT during a PDGA event...if a person can not go without their drug of choice for a round of discgolf, they have many other problems to address...

Will there ever be drug-testing in discgolf, no...but do not ever apologize to idiots who will argue that illegal drugs during PDGA events should be ok...

I will not even get into the harm it does for discgolf overall...yes having "bowl-holes" at your local course is one of the top reasons discgolf is still a novelty...thanks 420' group...bring a potential sponsor to a course, hahahahaha...

MTL......forget them.....play and have fun...

I had some guy attack me once ONLINE (about the drug issue), and say some brave stuff...so i told him he must know who i am, and where i will be, please bring it to me LIVE...the person posted anonymous, and i never saw them face to face...usual cowards.....

Chains

I just want it to be noted that I follow the PDGA rules, ask someone in my group from Reedy. I believe however that what someone does on their own time is their business and not yours. one could bring police to the area to hold back activites. invite cops to sit around the parking lot to police the issue will also #$*&$! off the beer drinkers.

we are adults and take responsibilites for ourselves, so if I have to sit in the woods in the middle of nowhere in order to mind my own business, i don't care, just don't lecture me about what I can and cannot do.

don't do it during the rounds!

secondly ( and most important ), i play disc golf to relax, if i want to drink a beer, thats what im going to do.



well, if you continue to feel this way, due to your drinking in yuour park, the course could be pulled from the ground. It has been threatened before and I've seen baskets taken out of the ground due to beer cans. I'm not sawing your not responsible and you litter, but you are setting an example.

I have absolutly NO problem with somone like yourself who plays just to relax and have fun, I actually wish that I was like that in a way - I put way to much pressure on myself at times. But the fact of the matter is, you have to find a way to relax that is within park law and rules of the sport. IT may suck, but it is a reality.




you see what im saying. it is legal to drink on my home course. texas baby. gotta love it. and no i dont litter. in fact , i carry a trash bag with me to pick up other peoples trash. you continue to generalize. i see nothing im doing thats illegal, i have a few beers at the park, i dont litter. i dont yell out profanities when i have a bad shot. you klnow, if you ask me me, i think its non dosc golfers that throw more trash on the ground than disc golfers do. at least at the lake park. i find its the ( this may offend ) the mexicans who come out to fish who are trashing out the place. that and the young punks who dont have any respect for anything.

secondly ( and most important ), i play disc golf to relax, if i want to drink a beer, thats what im going to do.



well, if you continue to feel this way, due to your drinking in yuour park, the course could be pulled from the ground. It has been threatened before and I've seen baskets taken out of the ground due to beer cans. I'm not sawing your not responsible and you litter, but you are setting an example.

I have absolutly NO problem with somone like yourself who plays just to relax and have fun, I actually wish that I was like that in a way - I put way to much pressure on myself at times. But the fact of the matter is, you have to find a way to relax that is within park law and rules of the sport. IT may suck, but it is a reality.




you see what im saying. it is legal to drink on my home course. texas baby. gotta love it. and no i dont litter. in fact , i carry a trash bag with me to pick up other peoples trash. you continue to generalize. i see nothing im doing thats illegal, i have a few beers at the park, i dont litter. i dont yell out profanities when i have a bad shot. you klnow, if you ask me me, i think its non dosc golfers that throw more trash on the ground than disc golfers do. at least at the lake park. i find its the ( this may offend ) the mexicans who come out to fish who are trashing out the place. that and the young punks who dont have any respect for anything.



Thanks for the time and effort required to keep the park clean.

Since it is always against the rules to drink during a sanctioned round even if it is legal to drink in the park, does you let your desire to have a beer override the rule that says you can't ?

no i do not drink during a pdga event or even a non pdag event where the t.d. says the pdga rules apply. thats probably why i'm not a good tourney player, not in my element you know? in fact, i clean more than my home course, i usually try to pick up trash whatever course i play. especially glass ( biggest pet peave ) so, how does everyone feel about cigarette smokers being able to smoke during tournament play? i mean, nicotine is a mind altering chemical ( a drug ) so, i think we should not allow the smokers to have a smoke during a round. besides, look at your local players meeting area and look how many buttts you see laying around on the ground.

yes if you smoke and you dont pickup your butts there's no ifs ands or buts about it you are an @$$.

Should players be stroked for littering their cigarette buttts ?

Fires also start in my area ,when cigarette buttts are thrown or flicked out the car window.

I pull up to a stop light , getting ready to make a left hand turn and look out the window to see thousands of cigarette buttts next to the curb. :mad::p

Should players be stroked for littering their cigarette buttts ?





They should be given a courteousy violation. Not littering is the first rule in the book!

You excited about going to game 7 tonight?

i've played in tournaments were all the players were warned before hand that you would be stroked if you fail to dispose of your cigarette butt in proper manner. one infraction was a warning the second was a penalty stroke or maybe it was two.

if you want my personal opinion i say yes they should. it should be in effect at every tournament sanctioned or not. the world is not your trash can treat it with respect.
the **** cigarette companies need to use all that money they have and clean up the mess they've made or at least make a biodegradeable filter.

so maybe somebody can answer this question cause i dont feel like looking it up. Is their no such rule in effect already? if not why? there certainly should be.

You excited about going to game 7 tonight?



turns out i didnt get my ticket form buddy. instead, my dad went out and bought us two season tickets for next year - by doing that, we were sold two tickets for tonight for game 7 by the canes - so not only am I going to game 7, I'll be enjoying some games all year long next year!

i've played in tournaments were all the players were warned before hand that you would be stroked if you fail to dispose of your cigarette butt in proper manner. one infraction was a warning the second was a penalty stroke or maybe it was two.

if you want my personal opinion i say yes they should. it should be in effect at every tournament sanctioned or not. the world is not your trash can treat it with respect.
the **** cigarette companies need to use all that money they have and clean up the mess they've made or at least make a biodegradeable filter.

so maybe somebody can answer this question cause i dont feel like looking it up. Is their no such rule in effect already? if not why? there certainly should be.



801.01 Courtesy
E. Littering is a courtesy violation.

F. Courtesy dictates that players who smoke should not allow their smoke to disturb other players. Smokers should extinguish their cigarettes and carry their cigarette butts to a trash can. Disposing of cigarette butts by dropping them on the ground is littering.

Should players be stroked for littering their cigarette buttts ?





They should be given a courteousy violation. Not littering is the first rule in the book!


I've been to many tournaments where littering anything (especially cig butts) was an automatic DQ. I would much rather have my bag stink of cig butts than see them everywhere at my home course.

You excited about going to game 7 tonight?



turns out i didnt get my ticket form buddy. instead, my dad went out and bought us two season tickets for next year - by doing that, we were sold two tickets for tonight for game 7 by the canes - so not only am I going to game 7, I'll be enjoying some games all year long next year!



Hope you got him one h-e double hockey sticks of a wonderful something for fathers day.
I'll be thinking about you guys tonight.
Sorry but Go Oilers...
Triple overtime

Looks like a lot of potential DQs at next year's Morley Field Spring Fling:

City of San Diego Bans Outdoor Smoking (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/20/news/01smoking.txt)

No way! says this ex-smoker. :D

Seen this.

Ban will start July 30th.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/21/government/968smoking.txt

Looks like a lot of potential DQs at next year's Morley Field Spring Fling:

City of San Diego Bans Outdoor Smoking (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/20/news/01smoking.txt)



Wonder if the PDGA will make a similar ruling at all PDGA tournaments ?

Looks like a lot of potential DQs at next year's Morley Field Spring Fling:

City of San Diego Bans Outdoor Smoking (http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/20/news/01smoking.txt)



Wonder if the PDGA will make a similar ruling at all PDGA tournaments ?



I highly doubt it. Smoking is even allowed on the PGA tour. I have no problems with smokers as long as they don't litter. I get tired or seeing cigeratte butts.

I think you can ask someone in your group , not to smoke.

Gotta LUV the Goverment sponsored Drug's MMMMMMMKKKKKKKKKK

Those are the 1's that do a body good............. :eek: :p

if it is illegal, then the pdga must discipline players who smokle tobacco.

I thought love was a battlefield

I get tired or seeing cigeratte butts.



Me too, you should be dq'd for leaving butts on the ground.

The only things I have against smoking during a round is when the smoke gets in my face or I can smell it when I am getting ready to throw a shot, its also annoying when people are trying to light up when I am on the tee and I hear click-click-click from their lighter.

....and I thought it was a many splendored thing.....

E. Littering is a courtesy violation.

F. Courtesy dictates that players who smoke should not allow their smoke to disturb other players. Smokers should extinguish their cigarettes and carry their cigarette butts to a trash can. Disposing of cigarette butts by dropping them on the ground is littering.

G. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, or by an official, with all players of the group advised of the warning. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent courtesy violation of any type in the same round. Repeated violations of courtesy rules may result in disqualification in accordance with section 804.05.

804.05 Disqualification and Suspension
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
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(4) Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol. Directors are granted the discretion to disqualify a player based on the severity of the offending conduct. An official warning of disqualification may be issued by a director where appropriate.


Morley Field DGC is in San Diego's Balboa Park, which would make smoking cigarrettes illegal there when this new ordinance kicks in.

Therefore you should be DQ'd for smoking during a PDGA sanctioned event at Morley, with the TD having the lattitude to give you a severe warning instead if he sees fit to do so.

804.05 Disqualification and Suspension
A. A player shall be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:
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(4) Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol. Directors are granted the discretion to disqualify a player based on the severity of the offending conduct. An official warning of disqualification may be issued by a director where appropriate.


Morley Field DGC is in San Diego's Balboa Park, which would make smoking cigarrettes illegal there when this new ordinance kicks in.

Therefore you should be DQ'd for smoking during a PDGA sanctioned event at Morley, with the TD having the lattitude to give you a severe warning instead if he sees fit to do so.



:eek: Who am I going to play then ?

G. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, ....



While I agree with keeping butts off the course [and I am a no butts tyrant on my private course] I have always been curious how the 'affected player' determines affect. If a player on hole 4 sees someone on # 13 flip his butt, how 'affected' is he?
With far more egregious score altering violations not being called, is this whole discussion moot?

With far more egregious score altering violations not being called, is this whole discussion moot?


The current state of affairs in PDGA sanctioned disc golf is that there are many many rules that are violated and not called. This pretty much makes it impossible to improve anything because anytime you try to work one thing, people will point out all the other violations occurring, making it prutnee'er impossible to improve any aspect of rules calling.

Add to that the fact that you are instantly branded an ******* any time you make even an obvious slam-dunk type of call, coupled with the very real possiblilty of getting in a fight over it after the round, and it's pretty understandable why no one is willing to call anything.

Oh yeah, don't forget classic quotes like the one on the thread about fariway foot-faults: "try to win by skill instead of by calling foot-fautls" :p

I agree that if a player plants close to 11" behind the marker, the quality of the shot is not likely to vary much if the player is only roughly trying to hit their mark. However, what Rhett is saying doesn't have to do with the physical difference of throwing from locations 5-6" different, but it's the mental process. Try this when you see that a player is going to have a tough time running/stepping up to hit their mark maybe because of trees and brush nearby. Say something like, "I especially watch for player's foot placement when it's tricky like now." If the player regularly pays attention to their foot placement, it won't be a problem. If they don't, you know a lot of players will assume you are working them and there's a good chance they'll muff it or not throw as far that shot.

i also think calling rules asap is important too. if you see someone setting up for a stand still thrown and they are foot faulting, tell them before they throw. save the fight. save the argument and save the stroke for your competitor

i also think calling rules asap is important too. if you see someone setting up for a stand still thrown and they are foot faulting, tell them before they throw. save the fight. save the argument and save the stroke for your competitor



I couldn't agree more.

Calling rules, and the subsequent effect it may have on the called player or caller is largely a function of how the call is made. The more accusational the call - the easier it is to get an adverse reaction. With footfaults - calls that are immediate and matter of fact are the least likely to get a nasty comeback. Worried about the nasty comeback - but the person you are playing with has bad habits? Before making a call - bring the habit to the attention of another player in the group - so if it happens again - you have back up.

With regards to stand still throws - if you have the chance to make a call before the player is in the wind up - by all means interrupt the player simply by saying - "watch your feet" or something like that. You'll get less of a reaction than if you interrupt the throwing motion.

I can think of no other area where courtesy is more beneficial than when calling rules violations. If you are accusational in tone , body language, etc - the comeback is inevitable. If you are polite, and show minimal emotion, it at least becomes less likely.

Calling rules, and the subsequent effect it may have on the called player or caller is largely a function of how the call is made. The more accusational the call - the easier it is to get an adverse reaction. With footfaults - calls that are immediate and matter of fact are the least likely to get a nasty comeback. Worried about the nasty comeback - but the person you are playing with has bad habits? Before making a call - bring the habit to the attention of another player in the group - so if it happens again - you have back up.

With regards to stand still throws - if you have the chance to make a call before the player is in the wind up - by all means interrupt the player simply by saying - "watch your feet" or something like that. You'll get less of a reaction than if you interrupt the throwing motion.

I can think of no other area where courtesy is more beneficial than when calling rules violations. If you are accusational in tone , body language, etc - the comeback is inevitable. If you are polite, and show minimal emotion, it at least becomes less likely.



Craig is right on here. Like many of the testosterone cursed, I have a visceral reaction myself to rules violation calls. The ones that are easiest to swaller are those offered lightly. One particular case I remember, I stepped out of the Tee box on my drive and a guy on my card said "if he aces, that foot fault is really gonna hurt." At first I went Oh Cripes! and then I had to laugh.

Would you rather have the PDGA BOD spend their precious time and resources on marketing this sport, or enforcing a pot rule?

Would you rather have the police in your city focusing on the gang problems and solving murders, etc. or instead busting pot smokers in their own homes?

One LA city is sending a powerful message and I think it's the RIGHT one. If I lived in that city, I'd much rather have them focus on hard core crimes, not petty little crap like this.

(Before you all go off, read the article. It says "at home in their own privacy, not in public." We're also NOT talking about hard core drugs like heroine and meth, etc., we're talking about pot.)

Here's the article: http://feeds.losangelesnews.net/?rid=7ac57394c9d9e14d&cat=a7d0846f876c8187&f=1