Seen this.

Ban will start July 30th.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/21/government/968smoking.txt



So Donny, you'd rather have your police department focused on giving out smoking tickets than say, solve the murder of a family member? :confused: :confused:

Would you rather have the PDGA BOD spend their precious time and resources on marketing this sport, or enforcing a pot rule?

Would you rather have the police in your city focusing on the gang problems and solving murders, etc. or instead busting pot smokers in their own homes?

One LA city is sending a powerful message and I think it's the RIGHT one. If I lived in that city, I'd much rather have them focus on hard core crimes, not petty little crap like this.




i think we'd be making much better use of our resources if we got the police to focus instead on prosecuting foot faults and jump-putts (putt-jumps otoh should remain decriminalized) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it's sad how much money is wasted busting pot users instead of white collar crimes and the high level dealers (as opposed to the low-level users) of more dangerous drugs.

I agree in principal with Michelle, the PDGA has much more important things they can deal with. But I think that step one of promoting the sport is handling the drug issue image.

Would you rather have the PDGA BOD spend their precious time and resources on marketing this sport, or enforcing a pot rule?

Would you rather have the police in your city focusing on the gang problems and solving murders, etc. or instead busting pot smokers in their own homes?

One LA city is sending a powerful message and I think it's the RIGHT one. If I lived in that city, I'd much rather have them focus on hard core crimes, not petty little crap like this.




i think we'd be making much better use of our resources if we got the police to focus instead on prosecuting foot faults and jump-putts (putt-jumps otoh should remain decriminalized) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it's sad how much money is wasted busting pot users instead of white collar crimes and the high level dealers (as opposed to the low-level users) of more dangerous drugs.



It's quite pathetic, I guy gets busted with an ounce and he gets 10 years another guy steals 3-20 million from a company and he gets 2-3 years. Don't do drugs, never have, but even I can recognize stupidity when I see it. Since the start of the drug war our prison population has boomed growing something like 5 to 10 times. That would be O.K. if they were busting dealers or producers but that's not happening. They're rolling guys with a few joints. Very sad.

Seen this.

Ban will start July 30th.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/21/government/968smoking.txt



So Donny, you'd rather have your police department focused on giving out smoking tickets than say, solve the murder of a family member? :confused: :confused:



No. There is a bigger issue with unsolved murders and recent kidnapings , that does require more attention than looking for someone smoking in the park.

Council members approved this because of the littering at public beaches and parks. Jim Madaffer and Scott Peters are the two council members making the proposal.

I know that I have personally picked up hundreds of cigarette buttts at morley before events there. Just because I wanted it to look nice. I'm the guy who rakes up around the Teepads.
I think morley field now has cigarette cans on some of the benches there for those to put their buttts in.

And again , this is still pending approval by the mayor.

I think the city is looking for ways to create revenue.

I agree in principal with Michelle, the PDGA has much more important things they can deal with. But I think that step one of promoting the sport is handling the drug issue image.



What "drug issue image"? The only "issue" I see is the one created by things like the thread on this board... and a few newspaper articles. However, if you stacked all the articles ever written about our sport, very very few ever mention "drugs". For example, Santa Cruz writes at least twice a year about the Fault Line and the Masters Cup. Show me ONE article that mentions pot smoking in it. Just one. None of you probably can! This "image problem" is created by the whiners WHITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. So, if you all stop this nonsense, then maybe it wouldn't be such a "problem". Make sense?

Seen this.

Ban will start July 30th.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/21/government/968smoking.txt



So Donny, you'd rather have your police department focused on giving out smoking tickets than say, solve the murder of a family member? :confused: :confused:



No. There is a bigger issue with unsolved murders and recent kidnapings , that does require more attention than looking for someone smoking in the park.




THANK YOU DONNY! Now please write to your councilmen and mayor and let them know that you think/feel that our taxpayer $$$ should go towards fighting real CRIMES instead of this nonsense.

Here's a recent article that just came out.. http://news.nky.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20060617/NEWS0103/606170379/-1/SPT

Hm, looky there, not one mention of any drugs whatsoever. The "image problem" lies within the confines of ya'll. So if you stop shining a light on a little tiny issue, it won't be as big as the mountain ya'll make it out to be.... and have more time to focus on the jump putting and foot fault issues... and reality TV shows :cool::D

to me it's more that I am forced to put up with smoking, etc while trying to play. basically it's a courtesy issue with me. i could care less what you do with your free time and i don't personally think drugs should be criminalized. but as a person with 10 years clean and sober i prefer not to be around them. especially cigarettes. yuck. it makes it real hard to concentrate on my game while trying to remain upwind of the smokers in the group....seriously makes it hard for me to breathe!

The only mention here is an admission that it is seen as part of the hippie... culture.

http://vitalsourcemag.com/story/view/1001105

And though the original artice makes no mention of it, a couple of the commenters bring it up.

http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71195-0.html

Seen this.

Ban will start July 30th.

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2006/06/21/government/968smoking.txt



So Donny, you'd rather have your police department focused on giving out smoking tickets than say, solve the murder of a family member? :confused: :confused:



No. There is a bigger issue with unsolved murders and recent kidnapings , that does require more attention than looking for someone smoking in the park.




THANK YOU DONNY! Now please write to your councilmen and mayor and let them know that you think/feel that our taxpayer $$$ should go towards fighting real CRIMES instead of this nonsense.



I just did !!!

is this thread finally dying.

praise _MTL_

ANNA.....................

head out of sand please......or wherever it may be hidden from the real world...

maybe not in your personal utopia of discgolf exists a illegal drug problem, BUT everywhere else it does.....PERIOD!!!!

National tours, A,B,C tiers.....majors......I have witnessed illegal drug use......(most prominent pot smoking)...

articles????.......who would write an article about drugs in disc golf, it is a well known FACT....that would be like telling people there are wheels on cars...

WE in the organization are just pointing out the obvious, WE are not making it any larger than it is....in fact it is much less addressed than it should be...

ignorance, and denial angers me....i can not stand someone with an opinion based on totally un- true facts...

police and disc golf.....everyone drop it, we all know there are more important things for our men and women in uniform to do.....so stop....shushhhh!!!

White-collar and blue-collar and users with a bag......whatever.......another issue, go away....silly point so broad it loses all reason...

please use drugs....please, and die as quick as you can...go away from discgolf...if u can use, smoke, shoot-up, lick acid, smell glue and have a normal life great....just please do not use on the course......

"please use drugs....please, and die as quick as you can...go away from discgolf...if u can use, smoke, shoot-up, lick acid, smell glue and have a normal life great....just please do not use on the course...... "

I did take a disc golfer to the hospital in the late 80's for a Overdose. :(

Yet no one really cares........................Even seen TD's using !!! :eek: :p

ANNA.....................

head out of sand please......or wherever it may be hidden from the real world...

maybe not in your personal utopia of discgolf exists a illegal drug problem, BUT everywhere else it does.....PERIOD!!!!

National tours, A,B,C tiers.....majors......I have witnessed illegal drug use......(most prominent pot smoking)...

articles????.......who would write an article about drugs in disc golf, it is a well known FACT....that would be like telling people there are wheels on cars...

WE in the organization are just pointing out the obvious, WE are not making it any larger than it is....in fact it is much less addressed than it should be...

ignorance, and denial angers me....i can not stand someone with an opinion based on totally un- true facts...

police and disc golf.....everyone drop it, we all know there are more important things for our men and women in uniform to do.....so stop....shushhhh!!!

White-collar and blue-collar and users with a bag......whatever.......another issue, go away....silly point so broad it loses all reason...

please use drugs....please, and die as quick as you can...go away from discgolf...if u can use, smoke, shoot-up, lick acid, smell glue and have a normal life great....just please do not use on the course......



If someone blows smoke in my face , can I break their neck ?

get over it--everyone

I doubt that the drug use in our sport is any different than any other sport. the percentages that everyone quotes in the news are general population figures. drug use is on the basketball court, the football field, the ski slopes, and the surf. it happens everywhere. its going to happen and it is between the individual and some sort of governing body, whether it is the US government, the NFL or the PDGA. if you feel that threatened by it then 804.5A. but if you are going to call this violation then you must also call it on everyone drinking a beer on Saturday evening before they leave the course. you cannot be fair by just picking on things that bother you.

I so vividly remember seeing that baseball player crouching down behind second base and hitting his pipe...

shouldn't we give those playas the benefit of the doubt and figure they are smoking a legal herbal alternative to cigarettes in an attempt to kick the addictive properties of nicotine? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The usage numbers may be like other sports, but the use during play, while on the course/couret/field are different. That's what everyone is complaining about. It really does not bother me too much how you choose to enjoy yourself away from the course. What you choose to do where the people that are looking for a reason to complain about the course can see does make a difference to me.

The usage numbers may be like other sports, but the use during play, while on the course/couret/field are different. That's what everyone is complaining about. It really does not bother me too much how you choose to enjoy yourself away from the course. What you choose to do where the people that are looking for a reason to complain about the course can see does make a difference to me.



i agree and have the same problem with drinkers on courses where it's against park policy or when they litter the course with their empties...

still, i don't think pot is what is keeping our sport from gaining greater notoriety. the number of courses has steadily increased as has the number of disc golfers... maybe we could get Comedy Central's Jon Stewart from the Daily Show to play disc golf against Bill O'Reilly from Fox News The O'Reilly Factor. that might get some attention :D

get over it--everyone

I doubt that the drug use in our sport is any different than any other sport. the percentages that everyone quotes in the news are general population figures. drug use is on the basketball court, the football field, the ski slopes, and the surf. it happens everywhere. its going to happen and it is between the individual and some sort of governing body, whether it is the US government, the NFL or the PDGA. if you feel that threatened by it then 804.5A. but if you are going to call this violation then you must also call it on everyone drinking a beer on Saturday evening before they leave the course. you cannot be fair by just picking on things that bother you.



No. My deal is Players Burning/ Snorting/ Drinking WHILE playing in FULL visual !!!! :p

Check this then .................Why do I see players using drugs , everytime I play Disc Golf , NO MATTER WHERE !!!!

NO MATTER WHERE. :mad:

WHO CARES?????????????? stop making an issue out of it. That would be one way to get rid of the idea that we all use drugs. Quit mentioning it at the player meeting. It's a given...dont do drugs . we all know it. Quit blaring it in the ears of all of us. And to the TD's, quit talking about it. We already know the rules. It looks bad for all the spectators and newbies when you spend 10 minutes talking about drugs being illegal while playing. Its a given, we all know it. If it's a problem while you are playing in an event, then have the balls to DQ the person. quit BLARING IT here for the world to hear.

I've seen a real improvement in the situation in the last 5 years of tournament disc golf. I attribute that improvement to actually talking about the problem. Pretending like it isn't a problem doesn't do anything to help.

"You don't drink what I drink, you don't smoke what I smoke, you don't think like I think, you don't joke like I joke. I got a thing, you got a thing, everybody's got as thing".

OK> I think we can all agree that you should not drink, smoke cigs, use drugs druring PDGA events. what you do on your lunch break or after the day is over is up to the players.


What more needs to be said?

what you do on your lunch break or after the day is over is up to the players.




if its out of the park!

"The game is about fun. Once you stop having fun, stop. It's not about who can win the most tournaments or sell the most plastic or throw the furthest or ace the most or whatever, it's about having fun." MTL

i'll smoke to that.

haha its true though!

some parks do NOT have a no-alcohol rule. Does that mean drinking a beer during a tournament IN THAT PARK is not a rules violation?

Nah, still can't do it during a round. It just means that before the first throw of the round and after you putt out on your last hole, you can open a cold one

Heres the way the rule reads...

IF alcohol is allowed in the park / private course - you can have as many as you want as long as you are not between the start horn and the final putt.

If the park does NOT allow alcohol - no acohol at any time. The rules reads that breaking a park rule is grounds for DQ.

And which rule would that be ?

I think it is in the sanctioning agreement.

Remember the MSDGC Open argument? One of the reasons that MSDGC is unsanctioned is because of the alcohol during the round.

I will post the rule that is in the rule book in a second.

I wish it was easy to find stuff like sanctioning agreements and other files on here instead of having to dig through it all.

804.05 - DQ's and suspensions

Section 4 - Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol.

gnduke will point out that the rule says "activities that are in violation of law or park rules...."

So gnduke will ask, if it is a private course and alcohol is allowed, then you can drink it(as long as the person is of age)...

exactly - if it is permitted in the park (or if its a private course) then inbetween rounds / before rounds / after rounds its fine.

This is in the sanctioning agreement...


The TD agrees:
To follow the terms listed below as they apply to 2006 PDGA Tour sanctioned events and specific tiers:
Basic Requirements of Sanctioned Events:
All event TDs must be current dues-paid members of the PDGA and a Certified PDGA Official, in advance of the event.
TDs further:
� agree to enforce the PDGA Rules of Play.
� agree to enforce the PDGA policy on use of illegal substances, and, if the course venue allows use of alcohol, to have
in place a course or event rule making its use during play illegal. This policy is a requirement of all PDGA Tour events.

So the combination of the sanctioning agreement and the rule that MTL provided...

No alcoholic beverages during a PDGA sanctioned round!!!

I would point out that the ruling depends upon what the TD wants to put into the "course or event rule" concerning alcohol and other legal substances (like cigarettes).

IT's not a rule, but a policy. Therefore, it is up to the TD to:

� agree to enforce the PDGA policy on use of illegal substances, and, if the course venue allows use of alcohol, to have in place a course or event rule making its use during play illegal. This policy is a requirement of all PDGA Tour events.



In the case of drinking being legal in the park, it depends on the what the TD says is OK. It may be limited to just the active round (from 2-minutes til the card is turned in) or on the course and tourney central at anytime, or even within the confines of the park and the host hotel for the duration of the event.

Normally it is from the 2-minute warning until cards are turned in. This is the PDGA recommended minimum, but there is nothing preventing the TD from expanding the area or time frame. While the last example may be extreme, the second is not.

I would point out that the ruling depends upon what the TD wants to put into the "course or event rule" concerning alcohol and other legal substances (like cigarettes).

IT's not a rule, but a policy. Therefore, it is up to the TD to:

� agree to enforce the PDGA policy on use of illegal substances, and, if the course venue allows use of alcohol, to have in place a course or event rule making its use during play illegal. This policy is a requirement of all PDGA Tour events.



In the case of drinking being legal in the park, it depends on the what the TD says is OK. It may be limited to just the active round (from 2-minutes til the card is turned in) or on the course and tourney central at anytime, or even within the confines of the park and the host hotel for the duration of the event.

Normally it is from the 2-minute warning until cards are turned in. This is the PDGA recommended minimum, but there is nothing preventing the TD from expanding the area or time frame. While the last example may be extreme, the second is not.



Even more if the new park rules state cigarette's not legal.

804.05 - DQ's and suspensions

Section 4 - Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol.

This also may include those who smoke cigarettes , when there is a park law Prohibiting cigarette smoking. Signs will be posted with city ordinance ruling. :eek:

Plankeye cites, "Remember the MSDGC Open argument? One of the reasons that MSDGC is unsanctioned is because of the alcohol during the round."

I know we're big beer enthusiasts but that is actually another argument I had with the PDGA just about regular C and D-Tiers not allowing alcohol. Beer or any alcohol and all illegal drugs are actively banned during rounds at the MSDGC. Just thought I'd clarify that since I happen to be reading this thread.

Then when the rounds are over, fine beer is served. Balance, always balance.

what is the reason for lack of sanctioning?

A failure to communicate.

?Que?

Ein kleiner Mann mit Grosser Selbstwichtigkeit wollte uns erniedrigen.

"Grosser" should not be capitalized.

Richtig. Mein Fehler.

what does my height have to do with

oh I get it

Ein kleiner Mann mit Grosser Selbstwichtigkeit wollte uns erniedrigen.



Who is the small man in question and why is he degrading us? ;)

Wer sagt Amerikaner konnen keine Fremdsprache?

Ich nicht speek Deutscher aber Babel Fischhilfen

best free thing ever!!

K�nnen Sie wir aufh�ren, Deutsch in meinem Faden zu reden!

alles ist m�glich

Ich sprache gegen etwas kophsmerzen. (SP! German 101/102 - '85)

Can I 'do' non-steroidal-anti-inflammatories at the course? :p

from barry bonds steriods to german posting - can we say thread drift?

I was happy two pages ago when it died for like a week, lets get back to it.

i say no (to drug testing)

Nous faisons maintenant le fran�ais

Drinking can be done .........AFTER the tournament is completed and done at a Sports Bar , not in the parking lot.

everyone stop posting here

everyone stop posting here



Done ...............provided we stop supporting Drug Use during Disc Golf play.

They are finally doing it in golf.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/golf/specials/british_open/2006/07/19/drug.testing.ap/index.html

this form of doping is different than what we are discussing here. our problem is not muscle enhancment.

That's what I read ......................Peter Dawson said the R&A supports drug testing in golf to put the sport into line with the World Anti-Doping Agency's code governing all sports, and to stop performance-enhancing substances from creeping into the game.

"We don't think at the moment that there is much use of performance-enhancing drugs in golf," he said. "I don't feel particularly under pressure, let me be clear.

"There have been quite a number of drugs tests, mainly in France, and the majority of the positive tests were for social drugs which, under the WADA code, are just as important as performance-enhancing ones."

So I'm sick and tired of hearing about Barry Bonds. While hearing about it today on the Jim Rome show, I started thinking why doesn't the PDGA test for Drug Use before worlds or majors or at random events?

We all know that probably 95% of the people would fail it which is why this will never happen.




I love this thread.

OK first, there is a huge difference between what's happening at PDGA events and Steroids.

Second, testing is very expensive. With all respect for what you people do, there is not a person in this sport who compares to what it takes to play in the Major Leagues. That is simply insulting. If they did, they would be in the major leagues ..... Those people give 60 hous a week plus, from the time they are in junior high school to make the Pros, and most of them still don't.

If you think you can possibly compare "Pro" on this level to "Pro"on that level, then maybe there shoud be testing before posting on this baord.

And then your 95% might make sense.

why would someone use steroids or other performance enhancing drugs to win $800 every other week? or even $50K in a year? that would be tupid to the s-th power.

btw, check the full list of WADA drugs. marijuana is in a limbo space... it is not always considered performance enhancing. in fact, a week ago, i hear a story of a recent event where a top finisher tested positive for pot and got DQ'd. he protested top the WADA, who actually AGREED with him and reinstated his result. with WADA not even caring in some cases, the ONLY conversation about pot in regards to disc golf should be its legality.

"the ONLY conversation about pot in regards to disc golf should be its legality."

Maybe a topic of discussion for the BOD ?

Wonder how corporate sponsors would feel about it ?

Does anyone really care about who does what anymore ?

Just Play !!!!

Yer right. Nobody cares. The reason-- there is simply not enough money involved in the sport to make a difference. There is megamoney in other sports. A lot is at stake and people will do anything for a piece of that pie. I wish there was a need for drug testing in disc golf. That would mean that the sport was generating enough money to make a difference. (ok tongue firmly planted in cheek here)

Insofar as the performance detracting drugs, or the performance neutral drugs (ie. cannabis etc) its similar to the issues baseball had in the early 80's. Poor Steve Howe lost a career, and eventually a life, to coke. Nobody thought the drugs helped him pitch, but the game was trying to pitch its own image. Baseball wanted to look clean so it could attract fans and money. That is what many are trying to do to disc golf. We are trying to pitch an image to get more of the money and more coverage for our sport...which will lead to the performance enhancing drugs. So, I guess if you want to keep steroids etc out of disc golf, make sure to smoke a joint when you play your next tournament. :D

well, we already have a very clear rule about how illegal behavior during events is to be handled. stressing that rule and demonstrating a committment to it is already being done. i get tired of comments and questions that arise sometimes when i mention i play disc golf. i point to the rulebook, talk about marshalls at the large events, and mention that the pdga has suspended several players for such behavior. what more should we do to show these "major sponsors" that we care about our image?

sandalman, are you high?

the legality of pot smoking is FAR from the only issue. obviously you have smoked pot many times considering your left field attitude and statements. so you should know of it's calming effects. if someone is nervous or having a bad stretch it can defiely help calm the person down and can definitely enhance performance. i have personally seen it happen. it is total BS when you are beating someone and they have totally lost their nerve putting or whatever and then they slink off and take a few hits of an ILLEGAL substance and next thing you know they are relaxed and hitting the same putts.

Go get high on your own time. Or don't play organized events if you can't help smoking. I shouldn't have to put myself in the situation of having to call you on it because you are too immature or too much of an addict to leave it at home.

another quite funny comment by sandalman. refer to the pga.
many rec golfer do alot of drinking out on the course. but the pro golf tour isn't looked at as a bunch of drunks. why? because the pro golfers aren't getting drunk or high before during or after the event. they are "professionals"

go to almost any pdga event and you almost can't avoid seeing people drinkiing and smoking pot. how could a sponsor think anytihng else?

go to almost any pdga event and you almost can't avoid seeing people drinkiing and smoking pot.



This is a shocking revelation. Why was I unaware of this conduct?

the easy fix is to make it a DQ offense from the time the td arrives until they leave, and not just during play. and then have the players not force the td to dq people and have to endure the situations that would arise..

and maybe dq isn't enough. if you are stupid enough not to care and use drugs or alcohol (where it isn't permitted or during play) then maybe a suspension by the pdga is more in order in addition to the dq. and a good wood shampoo by the cops might be nice also.

i am tired of not being able to invite my family or sponsors to my events. if enough organizers tire of this, there won't be many events to go to.

the easy fix is to make it a DQ offense from the time the td arrives until they leave, and not just during play.



That's really going to cut down the field size in some events.

dr evil, i agree with you, so i must be failing to make my point. the pdga has policies to deal with offenders. perhaps enforcement is the issue. l am tired of the same things as you are. but i have no desire to force PDGA policy on casual players anymore than the pro bowlers association wants to eliminate drinking at bowling lanes (yes, i know drinking is legal... hopefully the point is clear enuf tho).

also, the recovery after a bad hole or two cannot be scientifically attributed to the injestion of a substance without a clinical test. there are too many other potential causes for improved play... even the change of scenery from hole to hole could be the cause of better play.

Dr. evil maybe you need to start smoking POT! your discgolf game SSUUCCKKSS :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

i probably would play better if i smoked pot. that is my point!!! :D:D:D

i must have misunderstood your position sandal, if so i am sorry. BUT, clearly the way the PBA or the PGA handles not having an image problem with their sponsors and the public is that the players are getting high in their cars during the event, etc. The PDGA is so wishy washy on the issue it is sickening. they refuse to deal with player behavior EXCEPT during the round. From the second players arrive until the last person leaves should be considered the event as that is the time period it reflects on the PDGA and my event. I am definitely going to look into park police presence at my events in the future and if feasible a rent a cop. i'll be happy when you cna bring your kids and your grandmother to a pdga event along with every sponsor to watch the top players in the world do some serious disc golfing. i'm not saying having a good time during a casual round or non-sanctioned event can't have it's place. but a PDGA event isn't it.

it is total BS when you are beating someone and they have totally lost their nerve putting or whatever and then they slink off and take a few hits of an ILLEGAL substance and next thing you know they are relaxed and hitting the same putts.



I suggest a placebo experiment with this one. I mean, if he takes a break and walks around the forest for a minute or 2 during a back up, the walking/relaxing is going to clear his mind. Sounds like you get beat alot, and the people who beat you also happen to smoke weed.

I dont know if he does or not but the person who has this as their saying certaintly acts like he does :D :p ;)

Winning money for my fans since 2006.
10-5-1 vs. Dr. Evil in 2006.

i'll be happy when you cna bring your kids and your grandmother to a pdga event...


<font size="5">WORD!!!</font>

i'm not saying having a good time during a casual round or non-sanctioned event can't have it's place. but a PDGA event isn't it.

we are in complete and total agreement, not just on the above excerpt, but your entire post.

First off, i mistakenly forgot to change the subject line. i DO NOT support tetsing. that is plain idiotic for cost reasons alone.

secondly, i do get beat alot, but i have witnessed specific examples of people making the miracle reocvery after a quick smoke break as have others i'm sure. they don't call it a mood altering substance for nothing. if it has no effect, then i'm sure you won't mind NOT USING DURING THE EVENT!!!!

What the PDGA needs to do is include a rule saying any drinking or toking during a tournament (even before, between, and the award cerimony) is grounds for DQ. I have attended sanctioned events in parks where alcohol is illegal and there was a strong police presence and any player who wanted to take care of business has to go to the privacy of their car, or be incredibly discreet and be far from the overall group. This would help in the sponsorship/grandma issue. I agree that the PDGA needs to take a stance during sanctioned events to help legitimize this wonderful sprot.

there already is a rule. It states that anything that is in violation of the law or park rules is grounds for DQ. This means in a park where alcohol is illegal, even if the round is over, a player can be DQed for drinking.

:D I agree. I have seen some of the best on edge ...............come back with eyes ablaze , from the bushes and start shooting lights out !!!!!
Hhhhmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!! ;)

It seems to make those more relaxed and start playing better with more confidence.

Eliminates any Anxiety Issues and they are not mad anymore. They are smiling, laughing and trying to have a good time. I have seen it , ease tension in a few hard cases.

Definitely , without a doubt , in some , enhances relaxed performance !!!!!! They feel more comfortable about playing again !!!! No longer nervous.

Seen this and have witnessed it for over 25 + years of playing Disc Golf.

Here is the thing.....................

I'm a Official and have seen just about everything while playing.
I usually let the group know that I'm with , don't put me in a position to say anything to the TD about what I had seen while playing. Even if I'm questioned about something I might have possibly seen take place.

The Guys/Gals are all OK with that and I'm glad to say I have never busted anyone while playing.

I would also not want to ever put the TD , sponsors and crowd in Jeopardy of a few who just can't wait to burn in public.

While Playing in or Participating in any PDGA event,
Don't put yourself , anyone in your group , the TD or Sponsors in a position of being Disqualified or Eliminated from the Event.

This would follow you for years to come and leave a bad taste in others mouths about you !!!!!

It is not worth your Good name or your Reputation !!!!!!

Folks always seem to remember !!!!!!

my most recent issue...

at a tournament where pros were on one course and ams the other. i was done and went back to the course with the ams. Stopped to watch a group play and saw a guy sit down in front of me and start rolling a joint. I say..

"Hope you are not about to smoke that."

He says "I was thinking about it."

"Well, I would appreciate if you didn't."

"I'll tkae that into advisement, but I'll do what I want to do."

"Well if you choose to, I will make sure you are kicked out of this tournament and suspended from the PDGA"

He later flipped me off and grabbed his crotch while looking at me.


Classy.

good for you for calling him out. i wouldnt mind making it mandatory DQ rather than the weaker "can be DQ'd". and if the TD lapses there should be consequences for the event itself.

my most recent issue...

He later flipped me off and grabbed his crotch while looking at me.





This can't be a disc golfer were talking about?

Never! :D

Last week I was at an LPGA Pro/Am event caddying for my Dad and there was a ridiculously drunk guy hollering obscenities at the ladies and grabbing his crotch...he was escorted out, classic!

I think you guys need to worry about yourselves. Maybe if you did that, your game would improve and you wouldn't have to worry about stoners beating you. Besides, there are rules and people assigned to enforce those rules. You don't really wanna be labeled as a snitch, do you? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I think you guys need to worry about yourselves. Maybe if you did that, your game would improve and you wouldn't have to worry about stoners beating you. Besides, there are rules and people assigned to enforce those rules. You don't really wanna be labeled as a snitch, do you? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif





Ok wow.

First of all those ppl assigned to enforce the rules are the other players. Read therule book cuz your post makes you sound ignorant.

Secondly, if someone knows a rule is in place and they break it, that is cheating. Breaking a branch, moving your lie, smoking dope, changing your score card - all cheating.

Thirdly, I wouldn't classify someone who calls someone out as a snitcher, i would call them someone who cares about the sport.

everyone cares about the sport...duh otherwise we wouldn't be here in the first place. I realize players are there to enforce the rules and believe me, I will be the first to make sure it happens. I just think it is funny that you guys seem to think smoking dope actually makes you better at disc golf. When i read that i think you are the one who is ignorant. And at the end of the day anyone who breaks the rules will get theirs without you running off to tell mommy. wah wah wah wah wah :(

please find in this thread where I said that smoking dope makes you a better disc golfer.

it wasn't you i was even replying to in the first place. but oddly enough in this post there are those who have said that smoking pot makes you a better disc golfer because of it's calming effects to a person who might be frustrated or on edge.

First off, i mistakenly forgot to change the subject line. i DO NOT support tetsing. that is plain idiotic for cost reasons alone.

secondly, i do get beat alot, but i have witnessed specific examples of people making the miracle reocvery after a quick smoke break as have others i'm sure. they don't call it a mood altering substance for nothing. if it has no effect, then i'm sure you won't mind NOT USING DURING THE EVENT!!!!

:D I agree. I have seen some of the best on edge ...............come back with eyes ablaze , from the bushes and start shooting lights out !!!!!
Hhhhmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!! ;)

It seems to make those more relaxed and start playing better with more confidence.

Eliminates any Anxiety Issues and they are not mad anymore. They are smiling, laughing and trying to have a good time. I have seen it , ease tension in a few hard cases.

Definitely , without a doubt , in some , enhances relaxed performance !!!!!! They feel more comfortable about playing again !!!! No longer nervous.

Seen this and have witnessed it for over 25 + years of playing Disc Golf.

Here is the thing.....................

I'm a Official and have seen just about everything while playing.
I usually let the group know that I'm with , don't put me in a position to say anything to the TD about what I had seen while playing. Even if I'm questioned about something I might have possibly seen take place.

The Guys/Gals are all OK with that and I'm glad to say I have never busted anyone while playing.

I would also not want to ever put the TD , sponsors and crowd in Jeopardy of a few who just can't wait to burn in public.

While Playing in or Participating in any PDGA event,
Don't put yourself , anyone in your group , the TD or Sponsors in a position of being Disqualified or Eliminated from the Event.

This would follow you for years to come and leave a bad taste in others mouths about you !!!!!

It is not worth your Good name or your Reputation !!!!!!

Folks always seem to remember !!!!!!

We all need to participate in tournaments carrying and ingesting only inert ingredients. No Tobacco, no Sugar/carbs, no protein, no fat, no alcohol, no calories, no water. While water is thought to be 'inert' in placebo situations...it is quite valuable in cases of even minor dehydration. :eek:
Don't be in a good mood either...you're making endorphins/enkephalins - your body's natural 'opiates'... :eek: :cool:

Don't forget all the uncalled foot-faults and 30-second violations. Why bother getting someone DQd for shooting up heroin next to the playground when all those other rules aren't being called?

What, did you think there was no science behind "gettin on a roll" ? Endorphines are great.

peanut , you are entitiled to your opinions. as am i. instead of proving your point you resort to the classy 3rd grade name calling. i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive thatpot can and does enhance performance. but if it doesn't quit whining like the low rent gene pool contamination you appear to be and stop smoking at events. why don't you just grab your crotch and flip me off you loser.

circle, the problem isn't only the enhancment , IT IS ILLEGAL!!! Until you manage to grasp that you will never get the problem. don't you have a grandmother? would you bring you family out to the disc golf event to hang out with the pot smokers and drinkers? if so your family is much different than mine and maybe it would explain alot.

Trust me, guys like peanut say they care about disc golf, but those are mere words. someone who truly cared would be totally behind taking the drugs and alcohol out of the tournaments and away from our image. even the xgamers are smart enough to do it. why can't we?

The PDGA is so wishy washy on the issue it is sickening. they refuse to deal with player behavior EXCEPT during the round. From the second players arrive until the last person leaves should be considered the event as that is the time period it reflects on the PDGA and my event. I am definitely going to look into park police presence at my events in the future and if feasible a rent a cop. i'll be happy when you cna bring your kids and your grandmother to a pdga event along with every sponsor to watch the top players in the world do some serious disc golfing. i'm not saying having a good time during a casual round or non-sanctioned event can't have it's place. but a PDGA event isn't it.



the problem i see is that you really can't have TD's playing policeman and detective when they are already taking on the often thankless job of running a tournament. Unless the Constitution has recently been revoked, people have a certain freedom in this country. What someone is or is not doing prior to arriving at an event, or in their car, is really none of our business (although you have every right to call the police to investigate a behavior you think represents a threat to the public such as drunk or drugged driving). if a player's behavior while at the event warrants a warning or disqualification so be it, but to a large extent the onus is on each of us as PDGA members to represent by not displaying behaviors at events that may paint competitive disc golf in a poor light. Whether that involves, drunkeness, druggedness, or unsportsmanlike behavior -- when it occurs there needs to be warnings and/or consequences.

Having police attend an event might be a good call although the drawback would be that the public might associate a police presence with meaning that disc golfers are especially unruly. maybe the PDGA should have each member when joining or renewing sign a form committing themselves to avoid partaking of banned substances during PDGA events and to avoid acting in an un-sportsmanlike way.

forcing good behavior is no simple task, if it were we wouldn't need police officers or prisons for the general public and suspensions and disqualifications for professional athletes... the PDGA has a lot on its plate, and trying to make TD's into law enforcers is asking a bit much. if an entrant is caught drinking or smoking banned substances while an event is taking place, then the remedy is clear -- DQ.

my 3 cents

how many events have we all played where a sponsor is a beer company? almost all of them are. if red bull was a sponsor and all players had the opportunity to use redbull as an energy as a boost aftera 10 hour drive and a pour nights sleep on an uncomfortable bed not of their own each of the players that did choose to may be enhanced. is sugar a banned illleagal substance?obviously not but it may very well enhance a players play. drinking alchohol in its own right is not illeagal however it is against the rules of conduct during an event that is sanctioned. i dont know anyone who believes sneeking an illeagal or not allowed substance onto the course would have a leg to stand on if they wanted to argue a DQ if they were caught. thats why they sneek nobody expects to get caught.

in many of the public parks on which disc golf courses are located, drinking alcohol is prohibited -- so it is a banned substance, and the PDGA -- like the PGA, MLB, etc. prohibit players from alcohol consumption during events in which they are playing regardless of whether alcohol is sold to, or consumed by, the spectators watching them play.

Don't forget all the uncalled foot-faults and 30-second violations. Why bother getting someone DQd for shooting up heroin next to the playground when all those other rules aren't being called?


You funny!

circle, the problem isn't only the enhancment , IT IS ILLEGAL!!! Until you manage to grasp that you will never get the problem. don't you have a grandmother? would you bring you family out to the disc golf event to hang out with the pot smokers and drinkers? if so your family is much different than mine and maybe it would explain alot.

Trust me, guys like peanut say they care about disc golf, but those are mere words. someone who truly cared would be totally behind taking the drugs and alcohol out of the tournaments and away from our image. even the xgamers are smart enough to do it. why can't we?



i never once said i condoned participation in illegal activities nor will i ever and i also believe that the element should be taken out of the game if disc golf is truly going to be taken seriously. I apologize for the name calling but, i was only repeating what was said first by our friend MTL. It was merely an observation that I found entertaining.My only point was that you cannot control what other people do. Just as you say you are entitled to your opion, then you must know that all men are free to choose. And no matter how much you complain only the proper authorities should deal with these types of incidents. I still can't believe you people honestly think a drug that inhibits motor skills can actually make you a better disc golfer.

peanut , you are entitiled to your opinions. as am i. instead of proving your point you resort to the classy 3rd grade name calling. i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive thatpot can and does enhance performance. but if it doesn't quit whining like the low rent gene pool contamination you appear to be and stop smoking at events. why don't you just grab your crotch and flip me off you loser.



Oh yeah also, welcome to third grade. How does it feel to be down here with the rest of us. It is really super awesome dude that you think that like man smoking pot your whole life is just like the most coolest awesome thing ever dude. It's probably a good idea to tell everybody too.

I'll break it down for you guys.

85% of Disc Golfers toke that evil reefer
10% are on probation and cannot partake.
5% are smart and pass on the grass.

:cool:

of those 5% how many are reformed ex-tokers (AviarX) and how many drink alcohol regularly? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it is only the small minority of users who really make it a problem and give a bad name to those who do so discreetly :eek: :D

i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive

circle, the problem isn't only the enhancment , IT IS ILLEGAL!!! Until you manage to grasp that you will never get the problem.

i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive

don't you have a grandmother? would you bring you family out to the disc golf event to hang out with the pot smokers and drinkers?

i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive

if so your family is much different than mine and maybe it would explain alot.

Trust me, guys like peanut say they care about disc golf, but those are mere words. someone who truly cared would be totally behind taking the drugs and alcohol out of the tournaments and away from our image.

i feel comfortable in having smoked pot for probably longer than you have been alive

even the xgamers are smart enough to do it. why can't we?




So what do you really support?

Wow, this just keeps coming around.
Same stuff, different day.
For some reason I feel compelled to reply even though unless you are a TD this is all just wasted talk. They are the only ones that can truely do anything about it. Unless you are an official (or can anyone do it?) and volunteer your time to roam PDGA tournaments DQing players you see breaking that particular rule/law (smoking pot). And I'd be real curious to know the response you'd get from TDs if you showed up at a sanctioned tourney saying that you are volunteering to DQ players who are smoking pot...you know, for the good of the PDGA image. Sure, plenty would be thankful, but I'm sure there are plenty that would say, 'Thanks, but no thanks'.

And...changing your score = to smoking pot...that's just silly. That's like saying the guy that isn't wearing a shirt (yes it happens! :eek:) is just as much a cheat as the guy that marks his disc wrong for a better lie when nobody is looking.

I know a lot of image conscious disc golfers don't like teh comparison, but surfing/skating/snowboarding has hit main stream and kept it's alternative image and the pot smoking, drug using, drinking, basic partying life style that goes along with it. That is not what is keeping disc golf from getting major sponsorship money. Surfing and skateboardings big figures didn't fit that image (Kelly Slater and Tony Hawk) so disc golf can still get mainstream finacial support even with the party image, it'll just take the fit clean cut guys to do it :cool:. There are plenty of disc golfers taht don't fit that image, and don't want to. But, I also know that here in Denver any press coverage is very positive, usually surrounding teh Ice Bowl and the thousands of dollars we've raised for a local charity. Could you take a few Leno/Letterman disc golfer jokes about pizzas and Doritos to have disc golf in the Olypics? Hell yes I say!

One last thing (kinda sorry, this went on much longer than I expected), I'm not so sure that the people that live around disc golf courses, or come watch tournaments, project any of their image perceptions, positive or negative, on the PDGA, it's more of a local disc golf scene image.

btw, I was more than happy to have my mom, sister, niece, nephew, and dad come watch me for the last 7 or 8 holes at The Memorial. Then later that day watched the top card with my mom for a few holes on the way to the airport. There are a few exceptions but very few that I wouldn't mind them hanging out, and they are as straight as can be.

i'm not ashamed that i smoked pot or drank, since i have been clean and sober for over ten years. almost twice as long as i have been playing. sorry for the name calling. i was in a mood at work and couldn't resist retalliating. my bad.

i think i have stated my postion on it. something needs to be done about it, i'm not exactly sure what, but as a td i agree with some who just said that it sucks being put in the position of having to dq my friends because they don't want to follow this rule. nuff said...

The first step should be to separate the PDGA's Illegal Substances policy from its ban on LEGAL substances. How the two things ever got mixed together is a testament to our fine organization's confused leadership.

Apologies to all those players who want to bring their children and grandmothers to the frisbee golf course, but renting a cop and going out of your way to enforce park rules won't bring people to your events. It WILL bring attention to the "problem."

After years of players meeting where the TD (sometimes me) warns everyone about smoking dope and having that warning more or less ignored by some players (who are idiots, but that's another issue), we figured it would probably be better not to mention anything at all, except which course you're playing and remember to have fun and we'll be tapping the first keg at lunch.

In other words, stick to the essentials. If you wanted to go into law enforement you should have gone to cop school. The oft-repeated claim that pot is ruining our sport and tournaments is a big ol' unicorn, and only serves to exacerbate the problem. Makes it worse, too.

The only problemn with "don't ask, don't tell is that players that partake think if it wasn't mentioned, it must be OK, and those that do care and would call it are not sure of the TD support.

I agree that you should not make a big deal of it in the player's meeting. A simple statement that "ALL PDGA rules are in effect", "Alcohol (is/is not) allowed in the park (before/after/and between rounds)", and "The 2 meter rule (is/is not) in effect" is enough for everyone to know where the TD stands.

Having been on this soap box for a very long time, my reputation normally proceeds me and I see very little reportable activity. But if I do, I will report it.

One more thing, please try to keep it descreet even if it is not in sanctioned play. Neighbors do notice, and some talk when the parks departments try to put in new courses.

I'll break it down for you guys.

85% of Disc Golfers toke that evil reefer
10% are on probation and cannot partake.
5% are smart and pass on the grass.

:cool:


You are risking sending that 10% back to jail everytime you pull out your pipe in a PDGA tourney.

Wow, this topic is STILL being discussed/argued?

:o

I still can't believe you people honestly think a drug that inhibits motor skills can actually make you a better disc golfer.

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.

When I first started playing (5-6 years ago) it was extrememly rare to have someone NOT smoke during a PDGA round. Since then, we've taking a more direct approach. During the players meeting we announce that if you smoke or drink during the round you will be immediately kicked out, escorted off the property and suspended from the PDGA for 6+ months. After kicking out a few players (3-4 over 2 years of series events) people have gotten the message. If you do not enforce your rules then players will never respect you or the rules of play.

I have not been on this thread/group in a long time, however I feel a need to post.

I have been playing for 18 years now.

In the 1992 rule book, the rule WAS smoking pot from the time the tournament started, at the players party,in your motel room or at the course was grounds for DQ.

What ever happened to that rule. No one even noticed it when it was left out of the next rules edition.

I have turned players in, and have no problem doing it again.

But like Gary stated, I have a rep, prolly the biggest one out there, and I know players hide it from me. (No I was not the TD hiding in the woods, that was another guy who has sense quit the game)

I find cigarette smoke much more offensive than herb.
I agree with Southwick that announcing it before an event only brings more attention to it. Should a TD also mention not relieving oneself during the round? defacating in the woods? Not carrying knives or guns? Al Qaeda or religious affiliations? Do we need to do background checks on pedophiles in the surrounding area? What if I filed for bankruptcy and they don't trust my registration check? where does it end at the player's meeting?

If somebody is smoking herb, just ask them to stop doing it. Most are pretty discreet in my experience. I've never had a problem as a TD or a player with pot. Cigarette smoke on the other hand..
my last 3 events i was surrounded by smokers. I didn't tell them to stop as I don't want bad karma/attitude in my group for 3+ hours. But, it was overly offensive. The wafting of smoke on the teebox and around the greens was horrible.

if i asked, they would stop, but probably be irritating the entire round without their nicotine. so i let it slide...
At least pot smoke only lasts a few minutes then dissipates. Tobacco smokers toke almost an entire pack!!

Re: Drug use while posting on the discussion board:
Darren, I was thinking the same thing... :)

I'll break it down for you guys.

85% of Disc Golfers toke that evil reefer
10% are on probation and cannot partake.
5% are smart and pass on the grass.

:cool:


You are risking sending that 10% back to jail everytime you pull out your pipe in a PDGA tourney.



PR's only pipes are silly.

Should a TD also mention not relieving oneself during the round?

I do, but my course has bathrooms and neighbors such that you are standing in someone's window when you whip it out off the fariways. But I do mention it in the player's meeting.


Not carrying knives or guns? Al Qaeda or religious affiliations? Do we need to do background checks on pedophiles in the surrounding area? What if I filed for bankruptcy and they don't trust my registration check? where does it end at the player's meeting?


Gosh, I don't know? Where does it all end? Why can't you be serious about this topic? Do you really have problems at your course with stabbings and shootings during tournaments? Would mentioning Al Qaeda at the players meeting even do anything if they happened to be present and something planned for your event? Do you often leave your children unattended in new surroundings? Are you a moron?

Gimme a break.

as I'm sure most remember, cigarette smoking was not allowed during worlds... which is a big reason why I didn't play. I'm not faulting them, I think it's actually a good move for the sport, I just don't think I would have made it through that many rounds without a cig :)

I smoke while I play. I don't do it to offend others, I do it to calm my nerves. I don't smoke herb at all, DG or otherwise. I am also the first to say that if my cigarette bothers you, *please* let me know. I will be more than happy to avoid smoking near you. The last thing I want is to have my bad habit affect someone else's enjoyment level. I think if you approach the situation properly, you won't have any bad kharma or dirty looks during your round. Be honest, respectful, and let them know it bothers you. Some people take the holier-than-thou, you're-ruining-my-life-with-your-cancer-sticks, I-can't-believe-you're-smoking-that-near-me approach... which never works.

I guess my point is that if you respect their right to smoke, they should respect your right to avoid it. If you're nice about it and ask them to try and keep their distance while smoking... they shouldn't give you any dirty looks or hold it against you. If you approach it the right way and the person refuses to comply or gets belligerent... in my book, that's grounds for a TD report or at least a courtesy violation.

the PGA allows smoking. As long as the player doesn't do it front of a camera, does not litter with thier butts, is courteous with the smoke with other players, I have no problem with it.

Howver, there are some cities that are making it illegal to smoke outside or in parks. This would be an obvious case where it would be not only against the law, but grounds for DQ in a tournament.

and I know players hide it from me

now we know why there are no trees at Greenbelt :D

.......but as a td i agree with some who just said that it sucks being put in the position of having to dq my friends because they don't want to follow this rule. nuff said...




Im a TD, and ask my friends NOT to put me into that position. Most of them have enough respect for me and my goal of running a successful event, its not a problem. Those that dont, ( usaully out of towners ) at least have enough respect to do thier business out of eyeshot of anyone else. I know people that will take an extra minute finding thier easily found disc in the woods to partake in what they choose. I am a TD, not a cop. Its not my job to get you busted or to have you thrown out of a tournament, unless you are breaking the rules, in front of me or in front of another official. If said person doesnt care about what happens to them, they would smoke out at tournament central. Personally, the embarrisment of being kicked out of a sanctioned event for smoking dope was enough for me.

I am a co-owner of a disc golf ONLY pro-shop, and tournaments are needed for us to survive. I enforce every rule as a TD, be it in a sanctioned event or otherwise. I personally feel that alot of this "no sponsors will ever take us seriously" is a #$*&$! joke. If we were talking about a bunch of crackheads, it would be different. I have encountered no sponsors that have any concern about people smoking pot, as it really isnt that obvious. It seems to me an easy excuse for people to give when asked WHY disc golf isnt on TV or doesnt have major sponsors. IMO, its an issue that the PDGA members blow way out of porportion, and Im sure the oncoming comments will show that.

I'll break it down for you guys.

85% of Disc Golfers toke that evil reefer
10% are on probation and cannot partake.
5% are smart and pass on the grass.

:cool:


You are risking sending that 10% back to jail everytime you pull out your pipe in a PDGA tourney.





How? You may be risking that tournament, or the status of that event with the PDGA and the disc golf community, but how is someone else pulling out a pipe getting someone sent to jail? Guilty by association?

It takes a little more than that to get anyone sent to jail. In most places, depending on city/county ordinaces- having weed in your pocket is no worse than recieving a speeding ticket. In fact, most courts will drop the possesion charge in order to stick you with the pipe charge- as its a much higher fine.

he said "that 10%" meaning those who are already on probation for a drug offense... in many cases they are not permitted to affiliate with known users. Pulling out a pipe while playing a round with someone on this type of probation forces that person to either quit the tournament right then and there or risk going to jail because they *are* in violation.

he said "that 10%" meaning those who are already on probation for a drug offense... in many cases they are not permitted to affiliate with known users. Pulling out a pipe while playing a round with someone on this type of probation forces that person to either quit the tournament right then and there or risk going to jail because they *are* in violation.




Thats laughable, and no judge in the world would send someone up for that. Personally, I think there are alot more important issues to be discussed, and that this whole topic and "problem" is brought on by people that are STILL making a bigger deal than needed. Enforce the rules, kick people out and the problem will continue to be less apparent.

Again, as a TD, its my JOB to kick you out of a tournament for breaking the rules. Id feel alot better about myself knowing I kicked out someone that was cheating or making an #$*&$! out of the event due to bad behavior than I would for smoking grass. That being said, its still the job I paid for ( the right to TD ) and I will do it as best I can, no matter what that means. I give up my right to having personal feelings on the subject when I agree to TD a PDGA event. It then becomes a black and white issue.

he said "that 10%" meaning those who are already on probation for a drug offense... in many cases they are not permitted to affiliate with known users. Pulling out a pipe while playing a round with someone on this type of probation forces that person to either quit the tournament right then and there or risk going to jail because they *are* in violation.


Bingo.

In an ideal world where only true justice prevails in all the lands courts, this is not an issue. But in the real world, people on probation are not always given benefit of the doubt.

laughable or not, it's the law and I've seen people do jailtime for that sort of thing. All it takes is a cop to see it, or someone to report the incident... as soon as the state finds out that someone on probation for a drug offense was voluntarily involved with drug use (yes, if drugs are present and you stick around, it's voluntary)... laugh all you want, you're arrested. Even if you don't go to the big house, you're not going to enjoy your next few hours.

The fact of the matter is that (with a few extreme exceptions) it's not legal to smoke herb. The PDGA rulebook says that violation of the law is grounds for disqualification and a report to the PDGA. If you are a PDGA member, you should know this, and if you don't... that's your fault. There is no excuse for breaking the rules and IMO no ground should be given. Do I personally care? no. It doesn't put me in any danger or make me uncomfortable in any way. I also don't penalize people for failure to mark a lie that's under the basket... but I do know that it's against the rules and I would expect an official or a TD to treat it as such.

No matter your personal stance, if a player just simply can't wait till he gets home and partakes during a tournament... where he *knows* that it is grounds for disqualification... he might as well be doing it at tournament headquarters. it's your job as a TD to DQ him. I think you've embraced that so I'm not arguing here... just stating my position.

Agreed, totally. I dont like the rule, or care what adults do in the privacy of thier home, but I have signed on to promote tournaments and to help disc golf grow. I dont want to DQ anyone, so dont put me in that position.

Im not trying to argue, Ive just been in that situation before, and thats not how it went down. Maybe I was just lucky, so Ill leave it at that.

:eek: " he might as well be doing it at tournament headquarters."

Not a good Idea. :eek:

Smoking was banned during 2003 Pro Worlds and 2005 Am Worlds in Flagstaff due to the high risk of fire because of extremely dry conditions. It had nothing to do with banning cigarette smoking because of any perceived bad image (although I think nicotine is at least as much, perhaps much more of a crutch than alcohol even.)

Chap

WOW, disc golfers. We all have the right to his or her opinion. The way I see it is this. Listen to MTL, and keep this in mind I have spoke with the Director of Boy's and Girls clubs in 3 different cities here in NC, and questioned ehy they do not participate in disc golf for the kids. It is almost free, economic, and great excersise. All can play, any race, or athletic abilities. Each time the answer was the sterotype (or is it) of type of players the habitate the course and his/her habits, and they can't take the kids into that envioronment. Or try this, if the community determines that weed and alocohol are a problem and have the course removed and not supported in our parks, or this, how many families have we turned away beacuse of what they have witnessed. It's all about the Image, and how we potray it. The sport I love very much, will grow if we allow it. Have any of you brought a friend and his family to a course yet. Have we invited youth groups, kids in behavior homes. Think about it.

WORD

Word

Dude, it's 'portray'... :D

Have we invited youth groups, kids in behavior homes. Think about it.

WORD

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I have seen both of these types of groups taken to various DG courses in the past. It was usually in the morning before all the riff raff got out of school and flocked to the course but they were still there.

The first step should be to separate the PDGA's Illegal Substances policy from its ban on LEGAL substances. How the two things ever got mixed together is a testament to our fine organization's confused leadership.

Apologies to all those players who want to bring their children and grandmothers to the frisbee golf course, but renting a cop and going out of your way to enforce park rules won't bring people to your events. It WILL bring attention to the "problem."

After years of players meeting where the TD (sometimes me) warns everyone about smoking dope and having that warning more or less ignored by some players (who are idiots, but that's another issue), we figured it would probably be better not to mention anything at all, except which course you're playing and remember to have fun and we'll be tapping the first keg at lunch.

In other words, stick to the essentials. If you wanted to go into law enforement you should have gone to cop school. The oft-repeated claim that pot is ruining our sport and tournaments is a big ol' unicorn, and only serves to exacerbate the problem. Makes it worse, too.



more people should have this view.

[/QUOTE]I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.

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so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.

Listen to MTL



I agree.

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.

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so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.

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I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.



so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.

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I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.



so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.




I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

[/QUOTE]You don't have any room telling somebody else that they don't have any game.

The first step should be to separate the PDGA's Illegal Substances policy from its ban on LEGAL substances. How the two things ever got mixed together is a testament to our fine organization's confused leadership.

Apologies to all those players who want to bring their children and grandmothers to the frisbee golf course, but renting a cop and going out of your way to enforce park rules won't bring people to your events. It WILL bring attention to the "problem."

After years of players meeting where the TD (sometimes me) warns everyone about smoking dope and having that warning more or less ignored by some players (who are idiots, but that's another issue), we figured it would probably be better not to mention anything at all, except which course you're playing and remember to have fun and we'll be tapping the first keg at lunch.

In other words, stick to the essentials. If you wanted to go into law enforement you should have gone to cop school. The oft-repeated claim that pot is ruining our sport and tournaments is a big ol' unicorn, and only serves to exacerbate the problem. Makes it worse, too.



more people should have this view.



while i respect jason, i don't share his opinion obviously, and i'm sure alot of others don't either. i don't think ignoreing the elephant will make it go away.

So, pot is considered a performance enhancer in disc golf?

if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.



the thing to consider is that some people are drunk or high every day and are used to playing disc golf (or softball, ball golf, etc.) that way, so NOT drinking or smoking puts them at a competitive disadvantage and they need a few beers or hits just to feel (and play) normal. sad, but true

I (along with just about everybody who has posted on this thread) have no data to back this up, but I suspect...
...that the so-called positive effect of alcohol or drugs drops as the rating of the player rises. The less skilled you are the less difference it makes. Perhaps a few drinks or a few tokes helps you calm down and take the edge off. The more skilled you are the more you risk going off your game. The margin for error gets smaller. Even when team sports had recreational drug issues back in the day the players were rarely wrecked on the field. They just used too many substances off the field. Who wants to be stoned and face a 95 mph fastball? Yet, I played in a 16" softball league (Chicago sport) back that same day and most teamates were mildly elevated in the same way we are discussing here. We were a pretty good team- sort of like intermediate to advanced disc golfers as compared with pros on one hand and bad park district teams on the other. If we played a tournament rather than house league, the outside activities were usually reserved for the post game parking lot and bar.

In that same vein I suspect that such activities subside with more serious events. Leagues- faggetaboutit. A-tiers- put on your game face not that "other" face. I play a lot of B and C tiers and see all of the above. No, I don't report people who are considerate, discrete and intelligent. Blatant fools get what they deserve.

I am a lousy disc golfer but still feel that I play tournaments better on nothing more than Lipitor.

This issue is a very personal one at its core. I think our reaction to it as an organization should mirror the reaction of society as a whole to the marijuana issue: Intolerance towards public or conspicuous use, period. However you feel personally, we need to stick together on this. Politics are politics, and when you are representing the PDGA image is important.

That being said, it is a very controversial and interesting topic. Marijuana affecting performance one way or another is a non-issue. It has never been shown to scientifically enhance performance. Socialogically speaking, there are few stereotypes that marijuana use does not transcend. So it is safe to assume that some great players smoke, some terrible players, some doctors, bums, lawyers, hustlers, surgeons, ministers, geriatric patients, etc. Not everything is black and white, so judgements should be reserved to individuals.

The legal status is just as controversial. It is against the law Federally-speaking, but it is quasi-legal in California, among other states. I wonder if someone competing in a PDGA event in CA with a legitimate medical marijuana card would be allowed to administer on site. Anyone know of this scenario ever playing out?

As about 1/2 of Tour de France riders had medical waivers for 'roids & HGH (as well as other performance enhancers), why not a medpot waiver for disc golf?

Ow, my glaucoma is acting up! ;)

so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better.

Fact, based on monitoring my scores during casual rounds. 1-2 beers takes away the nervousness / edge while not detracting from the motor skills (enough to affect my throws). More beers than that and I may _think_ I'm playing better but have lost the fine motor control.

I have seen pot smokers go from shooting horribly to shooting lights-out numerous times. This always seems to coincide with their use of a pipe.

Perhaps certain drugs don't enhance performance directly... however performing a comforting behavior can relax an individual and allow them to play at a higher level.

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.



so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.




I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

[/QUOTE]You don't have any room telling somebody else that they don't have any game.

[/QUOTE]

i have played enough rounds with jake to know. me and jake been playing golf longer than you have had hair on your balls. You don't have to get all bent out of shape mister junior world champ.

I play much better after 1-2 beers... I would think the same would apply to pot smoking.



so this knowledge is based on some type of scientific fact or is it because you are so buzzed that you think you are actually playing better. Give me a break. First off you are comparing apples to oranges and if drinking beer makes you play better disc golf, you probably think that you drive pretty good while your drunk too. It is amazing that people think ingesting mood altering substances, that take away from your motor skills, give you an edge.

You know now that i think about it all the top athletes must be drunk and stoned.

Now tell me that doesn't sound odd.




I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

You don't have any room telling somebody else that they don't have any game.

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i have played enough rounds with jake to know. me and jake been playing golf longer than you have had hair on your balls. You don't have to get all bent out of shape mister junior world champ.

[/QUOTE]calm down killer I am just messing with you..........Bubba :D:D:D

PJ....if you play this weekend just try not to blow up as fast as your play pal you got over the internet last week.......

http://www.nbizz.com/lineargifts/listings/349a.jpg

this study (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&amp;db=pbh&amp;AN=7079422&amp;loginpage =Login.asp&amp;site=ehost-live) shows pot has a role in reducing fear-related memories, which could influence shot selection

this one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&amp;db=pbh&amp;AN=11822352&amp;loginpag e=Login.asp&amp;site=ehost-live) shows that pot alone in small doses does not alter visual shearch patterns in urban driving

here is one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&amp;db=cmedm&amp;AN=3009708&amp;loginpa ge=Login.asp&amp;site=ehost-live) that expands on existingresearch that shows pot does affect psychomotor skills

and in extremely relevant study (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&amp;db=pbh&amp;AN=12398826&amp;loginpag e=Login.asp&amp;site=ehost-live) , pot is shown to have a negative effect on performance.

theres some data for ya.

PJ....if you play this weekend just try not to blow up as fast as your play pal you got over the internet last week.......

http://www.nbizz.com/lineargifts/listings/349a.jpg



yikes!!!!!! you need a girlfriend before it's too late!!!!! unless you are in to that sort of thing.

shows that pot alone in small doses does not alter visual <font color="blue"> shearch </font> patterns in urban driving




but what affect on spelling/verbal skills?? :D

i guess the persistant link needs a login, so here arethe citations to the original sources.


this study (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pbh&AN=7079422&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) shows pot has a role in reducing fear-related memories, which could influence shot selection

Lawrence, D. (2002, August). Cannabinoids mayhave a role in reducing fear-related memories. Lancet. Vol. 360, No. 9330


this one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pbh&AN=11822352&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) shows that pot alone in small doses does not alter visual shearch patterns in urban driving

Lamers, C.T.L. and Ramaekers, J.G. (2001, July). Visual search and urban driving under the influence of marijuana and alcohol. Human Psychopharmacology: Clinical & Experimental. Vol. 16, No. 5.


here is one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cmedm&AN=3009708&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) that expands on existingresearch that shows pot does affect psychomotor skills

Murray, J.B. (1986, March). Marijuana's effects on human cognitive functions, psychomotor functions, and personality. The Journal of General Psychology. Vol 113, No. 1.


and in extremely relevant study (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pbh&AN=12398826&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) , pot is shown to have a negative effect on performance.

Foltin, R. and Evans, S. (1993, January/February). Performance Effects of Drugs of Abuse: A Methodological Survey. Human Psychopharmacology: Clinical & Experimental. Vol 8. No 1.

It is against the law Federally-speaking, but it is quasi-legal in California, among other states. I wonder if someone competing in a PDGA event in CA with a legitimate medical marijuana card would be allowed to administer on site. Anyone know of this scenario ever playing out?


I don't have a bogus prescription for pot, but I find it highly unlikely that the 'scrip allows you to "administer" in public. Alcohol is legal in SoCal yet almost every city in SoCal has made it illegal to consume alcohol in public parks.

Is there anyone here with a pot prescription that knows exactly where you are legally allowed to smoke? I would guess it's limited to "at home" for the legal users.

here is the preamble to Maine's legislation. Califronia's should not be too hard to track down, especially since you live there.

"Maine Medical Marijuana Act
(Approved 11/2/99)
Preamble

The people of the State of Maine declare their purposes and intent in enacting the Maine Medical Marijuana Act of 1998 to be the following:

Use of marijuana has been found to provide important therapeutic and palliative benefits to many patients who suffer from debilitating conditions resulting from certain diseases or treatment of these diseases. Patients should be allowed to use small amounts of marijuana without civil or criminal penalties when their doctors advise that such use may provide a medical benefit to them and when other reasonable restrictions are met regarding that use.

This Act is intended to permit patients who may benefit from the medical use of marijuana to be able to discuss freely with their physicians the possible risks and benefits of medical marijuana use and to have the benefit of their physicians' professional advice.

Persons who have been legally designated as care givers to medically needy patients should not be in violation of civil or criminal laws when they assist these patients in using permissible amounts of marijuana.

As there is currently no legally available supply of marijuana for medically needy patients, these patients or their care givers should be allowed to grow a small amount of marijuana to meet the patients medical requirements.

Enactment of this Act is intended to make only those changes to existing Maine laws that are necessary to allow use of marijuana by medically needy patients, and is not intended to change current civil and criminal laws governing the use of marijuana for non-medical purposes.

Enactment of this Act is not intended to permit use of marijuana in public places nor change any laws governing the duty of care owed to others, including laws governing operating a motor vehicle. "

http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/Maine2.htm

Forget PDGA events, some people need to be drug tested before posting on the PDGA Discussion Board.

Legal Weed is just another liberal excuse of by passing the system of Rx that works perfectly fine. This too is abused like ohh lets see the Handicap Sticker. Have seen some healthy people with those.

Keep drugs out and Families, Churches, Boy's and Girl's clubs, youth centers,will come

to denigrate legal weed and rubber stamp the pharmaceutical industry's products despite their very real drawbacks simply because some people choose to use weed recreationally is like saying pain killers should be outlawed because Rush Limbaugh abused them.

pot is not toxic and noone has ever died of an overdose. alcohol on the other hand is a serious toxin that destroys the liver if abused regularly or to a gross one-time extent. Prohibition made all drugs illegal, alcohol was then made legal because the illegal trade of alcohol was a much bigger law enforcement problem than was making it legal with restrictions. Alcohol wrecks more lives and leads to more motor-vehicle deaths and traumatic injuries than all the other drugs combined.

i am glad with age has come a measure of wisdom and i now avoid both alcohol and marijuana. but i certainly won't let reefer madness cause me to oppose a doctor prescribing medical marijuana for a glaucoma patient or a person undergoing chemotherapy who has absolutely no appetite without using. ymmv

Forget PDGA events, some people need to be drug tested before posting on the PDGA Discussion Board.


:eek:

this one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pbh&AN=11822352&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) shows that pot alone in small doses does not alter visual shearch patterns in urban driving


it'sh alsho not shposhed to shlur your shpeesh :)

pot is not toxic and noone has ever died of an overdose.


actually, there was supposedly one case in England... but it's just one and the rumor is that he was actually trying to OD on pot. He more likely died of smoke inhalation.

i certainly won't let reefer madness cause me to...


Have you seen that movie? I love the old propaganda films that end up being a testament to the paranoia of society rather than a detriment to the thing they're actually trying to hurt... they say it's an even better movie if you're stoned, but alas... I wouldn't know :(

I'm actually surprised to see this thread still going. I guess there's some life in that horse's carcass after all

I guess there's some life in that horse's carcass after all


One knee-jerk reflex after another...

this one (http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pbh&AN=11822352&loginpage=Login.asp&site=ehost-live) shows that pot alone in small doses does not alter visual shearch patterns in urban driving


it'sh alsho not shposhed to shlur your shpeesh :)


Thatsh pretty hilarioush! :D /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

yeah, josh can be a riot... wonder how he gets his inspiration! :D

...a baldguy in sandals...? ;)

pot is not toxic and noone has ever died of an overdose.


actually, there was supposedly one case in England... but it's just one and the rumor is that he was actually trying to OD on pot. He more likely died of smoke inhalation.



<font color="blue"> supposition and rumor. yawn. </font>


but i certainly won't let reefer madness cause me to oppose a doctor prescribing medical marijuana for a glaucoma patient or a person undergoing chemotherapy who has absolutely no appetite without using.


Have you seen that movie? I love the old propaganda films that end up being a testament to the paranoia of society rather than a detriment to the thing they're actually trying to hurt... they say it's an even better movie if you're stoned, but alas... I wouldn't know :(

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<font color="blue"> if you have the requisite curiosity you are free to find out :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i have never seen the movie just heard about the silliness of it. Carl Sagan was a big pothead and it seemingly just made him like to say "billions & billions" a bit too much. :D
i haven't smoked any maryjane in almost 20 years, but i think society would be far better off having pot legal and alcohol illegal if it is foolish enough to criminalize either one. (drugs are much more easily regulated and controlled if legal) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
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I'm actually surprised to see this thread still going. I guess there's some life in that horse's carcass after all



<font color="blue"> it's a bit more interesting than lost disc rule provisionals if you ask me /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif </font>

hahaha... Rob was post number 420 on this thread :cool:

I understand your point, and agree, at times it does have a purpose. I also know it is widely abused, and is used as a crutch.

I personally only get angry when it slowes play to an extent that rythm is lost.

WORD!

Or when some little kid ask's me " Hey , what's that guy Coughing so much for ? Is he sick ? " :eek:

"Is he sick ?"



If psychological addiction is a disease then perhaps the answer is yes? There is now a literature on the subject.

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"The effects of THC on disc golfing skills in naive, moderate and heavy Cannabis users" sounds like an interesting dissertation topic.

I understand your point, and agree, at times it does have a purpose. I also know it is widely abused, and is used as a crutch.

I personally only get angry when it slowes play to an extent that rythm is lost.

WORD!



And there is a 3 group pile up on the same hole !!!! :p

I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

[/QUOTE]You don't have any room telling somebody else that they don't have any game.

[/QUOTE]


In your face Pnut. We will see what happens next time you head up north. Now that I have two arms.

Yea, PJ, now he can throw twice as many shank shots. :D

Pot isn't a drug. It's just a plant.

I play my best in 3-7 beer range. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



jake your the man but you still got no game to begin with. You need a beer just to forget the last shot you threw. :o:o:eek: :eek: :D
Funny thing is I would expect this type of mentality from an okie but our highly enlightened educated brothers from the north are revealing their true redneck tendencies.

[/QUOTE]You don't have any room telling somebody else that they don't have any game.

[/QUOTE]


In your face Pnut. We will see what happens next time you head up north. Now that I have two arms.

[/QUOTE]



[/QUOTE] Yea, PJ, now he can throw twice as many shank shots.

[/QUOTE]

and as I finished reading Pop-a-Lok's post I realized twoputt took the words right out of my mouth. I guess i am not the only one that has seen Jake's game. :o:o:D

oh yeah by the way Jake that broken arm thing was the only thing you ever had going for you. You could play disc golf, and look all courageous doing it, and tell people, that you didn't know, that you could be a lot better if your arm wasn't in a cast. If i was you I would still be hiding behind the cast.

MEOW, getting a little catty in here!
where's the love?

Oh yeah...... Its in my pants!

In your face!
http://www.2006amworlds.org/day3_09.jpg



Pnut, I have whipped you so many times that it will take years for you to catch up to me. :o

Remember 6 birdes in a row at the Mighty Z.
Or the time I destoyed you in an A-tier just last year: Here 24 strokes (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4859)
Or the time we #$*&$! on you and brad: This was a fun one! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5764#Advanced)
Don't forget this one: Boooom! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5764#Advanced)

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, $20 a round, AND doller a stoke at this years OO. :cool:

But, if you want some right now, why don't you make it up to Tulsa this weekend for the TFO. I will be happy to spank you around MoHawk a couple of times. :o

Hey Jake ,
Next time you post a pic make sure the background is more in the front and you are more in the back .
I would much rather be looking at what is in the background then in the "fore" ground . LOL
:p ;)

That guy is illegal if he throws with his left arm. Too much plaster.

In your face!
http://www.2006amworlds.org/day3_09.jpg



Pnut, I have whipped you so many times that it will take years for you to catch up to me. :o

Remember 6 birdes in a row at the Mighty Z.
Or the time I destoyed you in an A-tier just last year: Here 24 strokes (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4859)
Or the time we #$*&$! on you and brad: This was a fun one! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5764#Advanced)
Don't forget this one: Boooom! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5764#Advanced)

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, $20 a round, AND doller a stoke at this years OO. :cool:

But, if you want some right now, why don't you make it up to Tulsa this weekend for the TFO. I will be happy to spank you around MoHawk a couple of times. :o



oh my god that was two years ago and those last two links are the same one.Z-boaz open 05 was my fist tourney ever and it only took me a year to get those 24 strokes back and then another 21. A 45 stroke turnaround in one year.Z-Boaz 06 (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5468)

What about worlds? oh yeah you are probably looking to play the sympathy card on that one..27 strokes (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5513)


I'm down with side bet. I am glad you brought it up because i was going to. I will be there for the OO.

And you had to bring the beatnik into it didn't you. You know I don't claim that fool. Anyway, doubles golf hardly counts since we all know you played with a ringer at Green Country. He carried you and that beer keg you hide under your shirt.

MEOW, getting a little catty in here!
where's the love?

Oh yeah...... Its in my pants!



No one wants to hear about your female genetalia.

I think I'm Bothered more by second hand cigarette smoke , than good bud being burned !!!!! :eek:

If a player thinks selfish, then that player is in it only for himself. If a player cares about the sport, and it's growth, than that player would not support weed at tnmts.

I have a great time as is, and try to promote families into this sport

Team FFF Disc Golfers helping Disc Golfers
Rocky

I may need to have a Medical Card from my Doctor , with stats listed !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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Loc: Laurel, MD, USofA
Re: Drug Testing before PDGA events [Re: sandalman]
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another quite funny comment by sandalman. refer to the pga.
many rec golfer do alot of drinking out on the course. but the pro golf tour isn't looked at as a bunch of drunks. why? because the pro golfers aren't getting drunk or high before during or after the event. they are "professionals"




Now that is funny. What tournament were you at last weekend? :o