Today Swedens first disc producing company launched it�s official website.

Latitude 64� (http://www.latitude64.se)

Have they been PDGA approved?

Not yet, but they will be in February. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Sinus SP-
Our first putter disc has some great innovations that sets it apart from other putters, but it will not stand out too much.It has varying grip areas on the top , so any player can find the grip best suited for him. It�s made in a grippy plastic but not really sticky.

What does this mean?

My daughter Kira has a soft APX with varying grip areas that she really likes. It is warped and dimpled from age and abuse and there is one dimple she puts her thumb in for putting and another she uses on approach shots.

What does this mean?



Okay, varying grip areas is not dimples, it�s the texture on the plastic that changes.

I had a JK Aviar-x like that until i threw into the drink :(

now that you mention it, i really miss that old putter :( :D

So half the putter is grippy and half is smooth, or what? Are the VGA's uniform from disc to disc?

Sounds more like the Swedish version of Lizard Skin.

So half the putter is grippy and half is smooth, or what? Are the VGA's uniform from disc to disc?



No the VGA�s are the same.
No not the half of the disc. Patterns with different textures. Exactly 3 patterns to be exact.

So the thing is...
You can choose to have a smooth thumbgrip or a more texture like grip.

Hope you understand what I mean. Some like the plastic to be smooth, some like it when it�s coarse. We offer both on the same disc.

So the disc mold has 3 VGA's in them. Crazy, Ill have to try it in March.

have you guys already ran the first batch? or are there just protos? and will they all be released at the same time?

Hey Tomas,
This is David McCormack, from Gateway Disc Sports.
I would love to help you and Svante in your venture of disc golf design and development, athough it sounds like you may not need it.
Feel free for you or Svante to contact me by Email at [email protected] if you would like to talk.

I am more than willing to answer any Questions you may have and it wil be well worth for to me to see you succeed.

If you have not built any of the molds yet, you should write me back before you do!

Either way Good luck with your company.

have you guys already ran the first batch? or are there just protos? and will they all be released at the same time?



Hi Paul
All discs will be released at the same time.
About the batch, there is only protos today but all molds are done and eveything looks really good. Eh, the final tools isnt done yet, but the molding is done.

We have worked with this project ~2 years now so we have made lot�s of testing and prototypes.

Some protos might end up on Ebay soon ;)

Hey Tomas



Hi David!

I don�t think we need any help today but I really appreciate your effort to help us. We have allready made molds and prototypes and the final tools is under construction. So from now on it�s waiting time until mid january when the tools are ready for the last test.

When the test is done it�s SHOW TIME!

Thanks for your support David! and I hope we meet again sometimes. I think I met you in the mid 90s a few times.

Actually Svante and I played together at Great lakes with Craig Ganglof ( I have a Picture in a collage at my shop), Maybe it was in the 00 worlds or a few years before.
I remember watching you guys throw your slow approach 360 distances shots. Until then i always tried to run fast and 360. Watching your slower apptoach technique and incorporating it into my 360 made me throw throw more consistant and accurate distance shots in Competitions with one or 2 usualy within 10 meters of my best practice throws.
I still 360 the same way today, only its harder to get anything over 500 here in Missouri!
All I remember is that back then, you guys made 500 foot throws look effortless, But I knew the technique had been mastered through Training.


Like I said I wish you luck and would love to pick up a few proto's when they are ready.

If you do run into any problems whne molding dont be afraid to ask :cool:

We have our distibution outlet and a retail store on a really popular disc golf course here in St Louis.
We sell ALL brands of golf discs retail and would like to sell yours as well.

Just let me know what we have to do to get them in stock.

Peace out ,,,,David Mac

It must have been before 00 or maybe you mix me up with someone else. Svante was General manager for the swedish disc golf team in Houston,Texas one Worlds. So maybe you met him then and looked at the younger guys from our city, Jesper Lundmark and Daniel Strandberg??

But I�ve been to Great Lakes Open a few times but that was before 00. I think it was in 1997 the last time, maybe 1998... After that I had to stop competing because some health problems so I never went to US after 1998. (or was it 99?) who�s counting :)

Please fill in the form on our site David and our salesman will contact you.

By the way, I never use 360 on the course so I really hope you saw us throw 360s in a distance competition and not on the course. :)

only its harder to get anything over 500 here in Missouri! Could be the age thing! :D

//Tomas

Congrats on your new business. Looking forward to the new products and the newsletter.

When will you put up the prototypes on EBay? When you do please post it here! Or better yet, contact me directly and I would love to pick up some for my proto collection. Also if you have any overweight or illegal discs please let me know. I also have an illegal collection. Name your price. Thanks!

P.S. Please contact me using the discussion boards private message feature.

Okay, when and If they will come to ebay I let all of you know.

Best regards
/Tomas

Ps. I�m the only overweight in Latitude64 :Dbut I am legal! :o

Lattitude 64 is way up there. Are there any courses that far north in Sweden? Must be pretty cold.

I think Alaska maybe only goes to lattitude 70 or something but I have to look at a map.

Yes it�s way up...

We have atleast one of the best courses in Europe here, Discgolf Terminalen. http://www.sdg.nu/html/terminalen.html (old pictures though)
You can also take a look at these pictures http://www.sdg.nu/fotoalbum/index.html

Big clubhouse with cafeteria, shop, 10 beds for visitors with own shower, kitchen, TV , DVD, washing machine etc.

20 holes today with different tee�s and with 2 different layouts, that gives you one medium hard course and one even harder.. We are now buildinging up to 36 holes. These new holes will be very challenging and will assure that our 2 Junior world champions (Linus �str�m and Johannes H�gberg) and number two on the world ranking, Jesper Lundmark will have good practise on their homecourse.

Welcome to Skellefte� ;)

Maybe one of the worlds most built course ever.

Sweet pictures Tomas...................what kind of baskets are those ?

It depends which photo you looked at.

From 2005 we only have "Knickarp baskets" Made in Sweden by Mats Bengtsson, Hall of fame member this year.

It looks like you can not go through the side. Only over the top of the rim !!!!!! Nice !!!!!

No you cant go through the side because of our sponsor banners. That�s not original, we make them ourself.

It�s a good income to our club

No you cant go through the side because of our sponsor banners. That�s not original, we make them ourself.

It�s a good income to our club



Great Idea !!!!!! :D

We have atleast one of the best courses in Europe here, Discgolf Terminalen.



It is not my homecourse but I have to agree with Tomas it is one of the best stationary European courses I played on.

Just want to ad that there are 5 courses (Four 9 baskets and one with 18) north of Discgolf Terminalen in Sweden and two new ones are being build this year..... at .... say latitude 65.... ;)

Which course is at latitude 64? I see from a map, 64 degrees is Umea is there a course there? This is only 2 degrees from the acrtic circle.

Yes Ume� has a 18 hole course too.

We (Latitude 64�) live in Skelleftea which is 130 kilometers north of Ume�. I think it�s on Latitude 64,9� or something... We liked 64 better so we choosed that number instead of round off to 65�

Edit: Just Googled Earth and could see that our company is on Latitude 64,43 So we took the right number.. :)

It looks like USA's northernmost course is a little north of Anchorage, Alaska and like 62 degrees, but if they get one in Fairbanks that would be 65 degrees lattitude and even north of you guys. Why no course in Fairbanks?

Tomas or Kjell, correct me if I'm wrong, is the most northern course in Sweden maybe the one in Arjeplog?
( lat 66.05 according to my old school atlas from the 70's... ;) )

Knowing how Tomas feel about discs and quality, I have no doubt latitude64 discs will be worth waiting for... :D

What kind of plastic / material is being used ?

Peter,
you are right it�s even higher up then the one in Boden! I forgot that one :o, installed last summer :D.

It resembles Discrafts X-plastic and the Innovas Pro, but it is just driver prototype, mmm I better let Tomas answer that question.. :o, sorry

It looks like USA's northernmost course is a little north of Anchorage, Alaska and like 62 degrees, but if they get one in Fairbanks that would be 65 degrees lattitude and even north of you guys. Why no course in Fairbanks?



Man, and the farthest North I've been is 54 degrees (http://confluence.org/confluence.php?visitid=4293). 64 is up there!

I spent a couple months in Tallin, Estonia on the upper part of the 59th latitude, it was the coldest chapter of my life to date... couldn't stay outside after dark.

About the plastic: Like it says on the website it�s similar to Elite-X and Innova Pro. The goal was to achieve a plastic that had the feel of Elite or Pro but with better durability. Too bad Innova was thinking the same and released STAR :D

You have to wait and feel for yourself

I was going to build a course in Fairbanks Alaska (65 degrees) to beat these Swedes for the most north course. But they have one at 66, so I have to build one in Barrow, Alaska (http://www.city-data.com/city/Barrow-Alaska.html) which is 72 degrees, and farther north than all of Sweden.

Then I would have to teach the Eskimos to flip lids.

Do you really want to live on Barrowed time?

Barrow is melting. It's basically built on Permafrost and rising median temperatures are thawing the land, and the rough seas are eating away at the narrow sliver of land the town is on. Pretty soon it will not be livable, which is sad, the population is predominantly native.

Hi Tomas,
when will the shirts and hats be ready for shipping ??

PS What about designing your own target/basket ;)??

Hi Tomas,
when will the shirts and hats be ready for shipping ??

PS What about designing your own target/basket ;)??



I second that !!!! :D

Sorry for late reply!

Shirts and hats etc will be available when the discs are ready. There is a slight problem to deliver shirts to U.S. from Sweden but we hope we can solve that until March. There is a 17% import tax for textile in America and with that it�s hard for us to sell them at reasonable price to a retailer. We�ll see what we can come up with later on.


First of all we want to make good discs, later on we will make our own bags and maybe targets too. I really hope we have the time to finish our bag until the summer. I need a new one :D

Have a nice day
/Tomas

Hi Tomas,
I�m very curious, how did the letast run of Medius and Sinus work out??

The molds will hopefully be ready for testing tomorrow, so until then I don�t have any new information about the discs.

/Tomas

i can't wait for the discs and apparel-they look really great on the website. my whole extended family is swedish so it will be fun to have some disc golf gear from the home country :) i've only been back once, they all live in skane and smaland, which is quite a bit further south than you guys it sounds like. looking forward to sporting some latitude 64 (great name by the way) stuff out on the course.
skol!
christian

We have updated our website with more news, check it out! www.latitude64.se (http://www.latitude64.se)

We also made a short preview movie of a swedish pro player (David H�jetun) throwing our first midrange, Medius. The distance he throws is ~350 feet. You can see the movie if you click on this link http://www.latitude64.se/mc/medius.wmv

The movie is 3.5 mb

Edit
(maybe I should say that the stamp isn�t the official we will use later on)

Looks nice. Pretty overstable. Nice little helix shot. IN the Snow!

Yes it�s overstable but not so much that you need rocket speed and a roller angle. Johan �strom, one of the owner of Latitude64 throws at best 340 ft with a Driver and he could throw Medius very well with a small anhyzer, without the disc dropping off at the end. He throws further with Medius than a regular midrange on the market.

Tomas, the way it flies and the way it looks reminds me of a 1st run buzzz, or any flat-top slightly overstable buzzz. If this is what the production disc will fly like, you guys are gonna have a huge following.
I think it is awesome that you guys are building a disc golf company from the ground up. It shouldn't be hard to get around the import tax, companies do it everyday. Good luck and tell us when your ready to sell me a disc.

I have to agree with you: It flies similar to a heavy first run Z-Buzzz. But Medius isn�t a flat top disc. And I�m sure that Medius flies longer than a Buzzz.

Anyway the goal was to make a disc you can rely on even if the wind blows without making it too overstable. We also wanted a slow turn in any direction/angle. I think we achieve that quite well. Even if it might seem like Im pushing for distance it�s not what I think is the most important in a good Golf disc. Of course distance is a factor, but I rather throw 30 feet short than 130 feet off the goal because the disc has its own life... Not saying our discs will go short! :D

Tomas, how are you going to rate your discs? Like Innova , speed, glide, turn, fade....or?

I see the list of US distributors and retailers are ready! Good luck!

Let us know how things are coming along.

Allmost everything is going well and we are now completely finished with Medius. It will go in production this week.

I have to say that I�m really satisfied with Medius. It flies really good and feels great in my hand. I hope you all will like it as much as we do. Definitely a challenger to the "big boys" in my mind. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif You should see the red ones we have on the wall in our shop! Yummy!

Sinus SP and AP will have some small changes during this week, mostly cosmetics changes.

As we reported in our newsletter Primitus didn�t came out completely as we wanted it to be, so retooling is also being made this week. When it�s ready I will tell you more what to expect.

Ask and I will try to answer any question you might have.

>MF100forever: At the moment we will not use Innovas "scale" of how to describe our flight patterns. I hope we can make a better scale or should I say more scientific scale. I don�t know how Innova (or Discraft or the rest for that matter) rate their discs, and who�s throwing them or sets the numbers they come up with. I�m not saying that they are wrong but I think it can be made more scientific. Atleast less subjective.

Speed 10. How much is 9?? compared to what? when is it speed 10? at the beginning or in the middle? I�m sure people discussed this before on this forum and maybe Dave or someone else had a good answer. And please don�t read this as criticism about Innova�s scale, �cause Im not saying that they are wrong. I�m just curious how it works.

In the beginning I will rate the discs +3 to -3
0= stable flight, straight down the fairway 350 feet. with no wind.

Speed numbers in the Innova system might be subjective, or maybe they use radar or someting.


I prefer the speed rating system used by Jason Southwick at www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com)

medium fast
very fast
extremely fast
wicked fast

Only people from Massachusetts can understand the meaning of "wicked fast" but I laughed for 5 minutes when I saw his system

http://www.latitude64.se/img/discs/medius_small.jpg

can we get a profile of the discs to gat an idea of flight plate wing edge etc?

thanks

ce

can we get a profile of the discs to gat an idea of flight plate wing edge etc?

thanks

Or even a cut away view !!!!! :D

ce

yes. profile view please. although the stamps are nice lookin :D

Thomas is this the official hotstamp?

no it�s not the official stamp but it�s close to the real thing.

About the profile pics: It will come later on, I just wanna tease you a bit first. :D

http://www.latitude64.se/img/discs/medius_small2.jpg

Mmmmmmm......domey looking....nice! Who has signed up to retail the discs for you in the states?

A growing list of retailers can you find on our website

www.latitude64.se - dealers (http://www.latitude64.se/dealers.asp)

Who has signed up to retail the discs for you in the states?



Check here:
http://www.latitude64.se/dealers.asp

Sweet Flynhigh is on there. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

A growing list of retailers can you find on our website

www.latitude64.se - dealers (http://www.latitude64.se/dealers.asp)



Cool ................thanks for the update.

As we reported in our newsletter Primitus didn�t came out completely as we wanted it to be, so retooling is also being made this week. When it�s ready I will tell you more what to expect.




Did you done anything on the Primitus, if so how did it work out? What is the different compared to the protos?

>MF100forever

Yes like we said in our newsletter we had to make some changes. Tomorrow we will do some testing again. We will write a newsletter after the test is done.

This week we changed a few things that will make the discs more stable and durable. Sorry I can�t tell you more right now.

Can I Be the first American Sponsored player.... Just don't look at my performance the last two weeks. :D

ce

Can I Be the first American Sponsored player.... Just don't look at my performance the last two weeks. :D

ce



As long as I can be the San Diego Rep !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Oh wait I can't be sponsored. :D

Can I Be the first American Sponsored player.... Just don't look at my performance the last two weeks. :D

ce



As long as I can be the San Diego Rep !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif




We are searching for players with a rating 1025 or higher :D

Can I Be the first American Sponsored player.... Just don't look at my performance the last two weeks. :D

ce



As long as I can be the San Diego Rep !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif




We are searching for players with a rating 1025 or higher :D



I'll try and step it up then !!!! :D

We are searching for players with a rating 1025 or higher :D


<font color="red">So you are looking for someone with a higher rating than you?:eek: </font>

Just kidding Tomas! So where is that profile view of the Medius? I can't wait to throw one! I also can't wait to see what your bag is like, If it rivals a Revolution Bag and is cheaper you can go ahead and put me down for one.

I'm looking for collard shirts !!!!

We are searching for players with a rating 1025 or higher :D


<font color="red">So you are looking for someone with a higher rating than you?:eek: </font>

No no no, I�m a 1030 player with a long vaccation behind me :D /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The bag is a important product but today we have to make sure we can release our discs in time. The bag will come and it will not be a "second hand" product. Of course we will try to make a bag that is up to par with Revolution. Many ideas and many question to solve still...

Collared shirts will come, but like I said before, that�s not our main goal right now.

About a profile picture of Medius I honestly can say; -I don�t have any right now. And no camera...

Primitus was made today and we are happy about the outcome. Still we have to make more tests tomorrow before we can write anything about it. I can say that it is a overstable doomy driver you can trust on. It will not break the current world record in distance but I�m sure it will be a good choice for a durable, reliable driver for disc golf. More to come tomorrow night in our Newsletter.

Sk�l!

/Tomas



Just kidding Tomas! So where is that profile view of the Medius? I can't wait to throw one! I also can't wait to see what your bag is like, If it rivals a Revolution Bag and is cheaper you can go ahead and put me down for one.

We are searching for players with a rating 1025 or higher :D



You disc mnufctrs always lookin for good golfers how about good people ? :D

Good point _ce_

It�s allmost as important than perfomance on the course, no question about that!

But like everyone knows, it isnt the good guy that gets the girl... :D

Well I beg to differ. :D

Well I Beg to differ. :D



Being the opperative word! :p ;) :D

Funny guy. My best pickup line is "Hi my name is Matt" :o

I got the girl show me the Discs! :D

ce

Show me the girl /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I used that line and they told me I was the wrong matt :confused:

Yeah they were looking for me. :D

Yeah they were looking for me. :D



Yeah, thats it... :o:D

Ima KILL you. :D

Okay back to topic:

Today we recieved PDGA approval for Sinus AP, Sinus SP and Medius.

Sinus AP
Outside diameter: 21.2 cm
Height: 1.9 cm
Rim depth: 1.4 cm
Rim thickness: 0.9 cm
Inside rim diameter: 19.3 cm
Flexibility rating: 9.75 kg
Rim configuration rating: 50.75
Maximum weight allowed: 176.0 g



Sinus SP
Outside diameter: 21.2 cm
Height: 1.9 cm
Rim depth: 1.4 cm
Rim thickness: 0.9 cm
Inside rim diameter: 19.3 cm
Flexibility rating: 4.88 kg
Rim configuration rating: 50.75
Maximum weight allowed: 176.0 g



Medius
Outside diameter: 21.5 cm
Height: 2.4 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 1.4 cm
Inside rim diameter: 18.8 cm
Flexibility rating: 9.64 kg
Rim configuration rating: 42.5
Maximum weight allowed: 178.5 g

A small preview of our driver Primitus.

http://www.latitude64.se/mc/primitus_movie.wmv

Great job! Good luck with the driver!!

Those little videos are impressive advertising and marketing.
Do we have any Gateway guys who can do that for us :D

Thomas,
The flight seemd very similar tothe flight of Beefy E Sabre Broken in "S" blaze or the new Hybrid.
It loked like a control driver that needs some Velocity and rotaion to get it moving, ( which is a good thing if your a top player)
the player who threw the discs seemed to turn it over right out of the hand and once it got back slightly over parallel it seemd to fade out rather quickly.
you should show a drive with one that is broken in so it stays over longer.
Is the plastic matted like our "S" or is it Smooth and shiney like H or Evolution stuff?

If you run into any production problems with the urethane please dont hesitate to ask, 7 years molding golf discs puts me about number #3 on the list of experience and i'm sure I can offer some good advice or suggestions.

Iahvent signed up for the distribution yet as I would want to see the product first.
Would you send some to my store when they are ready to ship?

For those that didn't get an email, this video is pretty cool:

Medius Birth (http://www.latitude64.se/mc/the_birth.wmv)

They do know they could do that by hand in like 5 seconds right? :D

>David

Hats off to you! I�m quite overwhelmed with the fact you offer your help and advice. I didn�t expect that from a competitor. So I take my hat off for you. You must be a good gentleman!

Anyway, at the moment I can�t think of something to ask you. Production is going on very well and we are working hard to make our release date. Production movie (http://www.latitude64.se/mc/the_birth.wmv)

Samples can be arranged but why would you sell our discs? may I ask. I looked at your site and couldn�t find anyone elses discs. Not saying you cant, it just feels weird that another producer want to sell another producers discs :D

thanks for your offer once again

/Tomas

Gateway has a retail shop in St louis that sells all brands. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Thomas,
We have a store right on a very popular course ( Jefferson Barracks) like Matt said.
We want to offer everything.
I want every company that ever opens to STAY OPEN and hopefully grow.
I want you guys to be successful and profitable so that you spend money on advertising and promoting disc golf.
This will only help the sport grow, which will surely help my company grow too in many ways.

I have a lot of confidence in my products as do our players and we are improving all the time.
I welcome all competition with open arms :cool:
It is GREAT for the game and the players who play it!

Thomas,
We have a store right on a very popular course ( Jefferson Barracks) like Matt said.
We want to offer everything.
I want every company that ever opens to STAY OPEN and hopefully grow.
I want you guys to be successful and profitable so that you spend money on advertising and promoting disc golf.
This will only help the sport grow, which will surely help my company grow too in many ways.

I have a lot of confidence in my products as do our players and we are improving all the time.
I welcome all competition with open arms :cool:
It is GREAT for the game and the players who play it!



With statements like that Dave, its no wonder your very well liked in the industry!

Thomas, as far as selling shirts in the US, have them made here and no textile taxes. There are several companies (actually 1000's) that can make and distrubute them for you. Try contacting Massive Graphic's in Oklahoma, they are disc golf owned and you already read there work (DGWN) if you are a PDGA member (do they send you one overseas?)

Massive Graphic's doesn't really do tournament shirts anymore (they got to big for that) but printing shirts is the main part of there business.

Thanks for the information guys!

Yo Tomas! What's the lastest news? Haven't heard from you in a while. You must be working hard. Give us some more teasers!

This came in the mail today:
We are now glad to inform you that PDGA has approved our Primitus.

Primitus SP
Certification No. 06-7
Outside diameter: 21.0 cm
Height: 2.3 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 2.0 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.0 cm
Flexibility rating: 11.57 kg
Rim configuration rating: 27.0
Maximum weight allowed: 174.3 g

Interesting, the 7th disc looked at by the PDGA for approval already this year?! I wonder who else has things in the works?!? :eek:

Well, 64 has 3 discs that have been approved...There's the Surge, and the Orion LF. Innova is working on that overstable wraith. Dave D said something about a new midrange from Innova sometime this year. Gateway has kicked around the idea of a beadless wizard for a while, and has mentioned a "Hybrid-L" type driver, but I don't know the story on that one...they're also some rumors of entire new molds from Gateway too...

Actually we have had 4 discs approved /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

This is the latest
http://www.latitude64.se/img/discs/primitus_small.jpg

And MY precious, not for production and not for sale, just a teaser and eyecandy.
http://www.latitude64.se/img/discs/primitus_space.jpg

Oh, and Yes we�ve been busy last weeks :D

can you give an idea as to the flight characteristics (flight rating) of the Primitus or what other discs out there does it compare to.

Here�s a new clip that shows a little bit more of the profiles of the discs. You can also get a glimpse of the grip areas on Sinus

Movie (6 mb) (http://www.latitude64.se/mc/in_the_dark.wmv)


I think we can compare the flight with a blend of first run Avenger , KC Teebird and Champion Orc. Something like that... Smooth turn, overstable, quite fast.

Sorry I can�t be more precise. It depends on the player too...

Weren't all discs do for release today March 1 or just the first part of march... If they are out today anybody got reviews.

ce

I did have the rare chance to feel the medius disc. Looks like a Roc,Shark,Wasp type of disc. Nice dome to it. Great feeling plastic........................Keep up the Quality work !!!!

Medius
Outside diameter: 21.5 cm
Height: 2.4 cm
Rim depth: 1.2 cm
Rim thickness: 1.4 cm
Inside rim diameter: 18.8 cm
Flexibility rating: 9.64 kg
Rim configuration rating: 42.5
Maximum weight allowed: 178.5 g

So when will they be available in the states? Maybe some at Bowling Green April 1st? :p rWc :cool:

I'd rather have those guys take their time and get it right. No need to rush things. Quality versus Quantity. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

They seem to be a bit after the timetable , this came in the mail yesterday:
"Dear Subscriber

It has been a busy couple of weeks for us at Latitude 64�.
We apologize for not informing you earlier.
The response for our products has been greater than we expected and that means the productions will take longer to complete on our Premiere edition run.
For the European market all our first run is presold to our dealers.
For the US market all our first run is presold to our distributors. We recommend dealers in the US that wants to purchase our first run to contact one of our two distributors to make sure to get availability.
No more Premiere edition will be produced; new orders from dealers and distributors will have a different stamp.

During the next coming weeks we will be working hard to complete all our orders and ship them out.
We are working towards an official release date the first week in April.

Latitude 64�
David
Tomas
Svante
Johan"

who are the 2 distrubitors???

http://www.latitude64.se/dealers.asp

Has anyone thron this set of discs yet?

Yeah. Tomas did.

Yeah. Tomas did.



:D :D

Hi Thomas,
how is the shipping going, can I expect something during next week?
Any news on a Medius and/or Sinus proto ;)

Tomas you should advertise and market your porducts through our St Louis Disc Golf club this year.
It would be a great way for players who dont follow pdga or search on line to get introduced to you products.
Only about 200 of the 10,000 St louis area golfers will learn about your products through the insde the game marketing.

Our club could easily reach the other 9800 through a full page poster of our 22 events and nightly leagues posted at our 15 area courses. We also distribute flyers for each event as well as place them in out of town events players packages. You could also get a link on our website.
we have an A_ tier that should attract 200 players!
This is a complete advertisning apportunity at a very low cost. Read over the documents if I send them and feel free to ask any quetsions or suggest any ideas.
I would rlaly like to see more products represented at each and every disc golf tournament.

If you are interested send me a private email to [email protected] and I'll send you the info.

Has anyone in the US thrown one of the discs yet?
Todd briener said has has 2 but his testing techinique is quite diferent then mine.
he said it was chiney, reminded him of our "H "or the Millinmuem plastic and that it is was a bit domey.
I think it was the midrange.

I have about umpteen ways to reduce the dome some if your interested, dint be afraid ask!!

HI David

I take the info with me and discuss it with my co-workers.

About the dome. Both Medius and Primitus will have something we call the 64dome�. So the dome supposed to be the way it is. Later molds migth have less dome but that depends on what purpose I�m designing the disc for.

thanks

Ps. Chiney?? meaning? Ds.

I meant Shiney/ Glossy, It was late last night!

You could at least come in as a tee sign sponsor with product, which would only cost you about 10 discs.

I didnt get your email addrees for sending the documents.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Yes the midrange and the driver are glossy

All sponsor questions should be sent to this email address: [email protected]

Best regards
/Tomas

Latitude have started to ship their stuff!

http://www.latitude64.se/news.asp?nummer=10

Latitude have started to ship their stuff!

http://www.latitude64.se/news.asp?nummer=10



Thanks !!!!!!
I know these are specific weights. Any specific colors ?

We have now started shipping
Published: 2006/3/30

We have now started shipping the Premiere Edition and want to inform
you on an issue concerning weights. Any disc made has a natural/optimal
weight given the density of a the plastic and the volume of the mold.
We have strived to stay close to this optimal weight to have products
that are consistently the same. This might lead to some customers not
being able to get the exact weight they are used to. The weights that
will be available on the Premiere Edition is:
Primitus~173
Medius~177
Sinus AP~171
Sinus SP~173

I was out throwing all the L64 discs today. And i realy licked Medius and Sinus. Medius was easy to controll and i feelt like it was quite stable. Sinus was abit to overstable for my putting but approch and short driver it was great!

Primitus is quite stable on no wind and you can get quite okey distance with it. only bad thing is that its quite sharp rim.

Realy nice work. And the plastic ****! the "DX like" plastic is 10x better then the DX and it holds better.

I got a Lat64-package on thursday, the plastic and the grip on Medius and Primitus are awesome, "star-quality" ;).
The plastic on the Sinus AP and SP are more dx-like, grippy, but the don�t fit that well in may hand.
I have not been able to throw them yet, will today if the weather gets better.

PS. Emil, thread-drift, but do you listen to Angra?

offcores i do :)

Pre-Orders Now Available. All (4) discs should be in stock on 4/12.

Latitude 64 4-Disc Set (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3370-L64ST&Category_Code=3370)

Zeroline Primitus (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3370-ZLPRM&Category_Code=3370)

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Gripline Sinus AP (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3360-GLSNA&Category_Code=3360)

Gripline Sinus SP (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=3360-GLSNS&Category_Code=3360)

Great

One misstake though
Gripline for Primitus and Medius and Zeroline for
Sinus AP and Sinus SP

Has anybody in the states thrown them yet?

Has anybody in the states thrown them yet?



yes

Do you need another question asked?
How do they fly and what is the plastic like?

Hi Tomas

Will any of you guys be at the Easter Open in Belgium this weekend?
I got a look at a Medius that Derek Robins had last weekend, and it seems pretty sweet! I would love to get my hands on a full set!

Bruce Webber

We will be represented by one of our new team player, Daniel Strandberg. I will force him to bring some discs /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Do you need another question asked?
How do they fly and what is the plastic like?



Ask Blake_T :D

I ordered a set from sunking for the fun of it ... Because I can't believe a word anyone says on this site or any other site about how a disc flies, and I never know if I'm going to like it or not until "I" try it.
So there! :D

PS. That doesn't mean I don't like Gateway, ;)

Just thrown all the current runs of plastic from Latitude 64.

Both Putters , AP and SP are really stable.

The Mid-range or Medius is stable. You can force it over or throw with Hyzer and it will hold.

The Primus or driver is overstable.

I ordered a set from sunking for the fun of it ... Because I can't believe a word anyone says on this site or any other site about how a disc flies, and I never know if I'm going to like it or not until "I" try it.
So there! :D



PS. That doesn't mean I don't like Gateway, ;)


I hope not :confused: and totally agree on the testing.
Ive made several comments wishing more top players would post on this discussion board, especially on this equipment thread.

[Thread drift]
Dave, Seriously, if I there was someplace out here in CO, where I live, where I could check out more Gateway plastic, I would do it. There just isn't anyone here who sells discs [from any manufacturer for that matter], and the nearest "good" shops are hours away ... So I'm often taking the leap when I buy online (like the purchase of these Lat 64 discs), I just want to try them to see if they are any good.
I currently have a Wizard (I bought at least 10 from Justin, and probably have about 20) and a sweet glow Element that I use daily in my bag. I've tried an E Spirit, S Illusion and S Saber (all bought at your shop while home visiting the folks, who live up north of St. Louis), they are all WAY too overstable for the altitude of our course, at 7000 ft (I told Justin I needed light weights, but for some reason I ended up with heavier discs). I would love to try more, in lighter weights, but I'm just not confident ordering Gateway discs online. I feel I need to see them, and feel them first. Every Gateway disc I own is different. I'll visit the shop again next time I'm home ... and of course play Jeff Barracks again ... awesome course!)
The Saber I bought, I pretty much destroyed it playing Endicot, for the first time, right after I bought it. I hit so many trees there it got hammerd and has dings in it the side of quarters, lol, haven't thrown it since. I've been wanting to try it in E plastic (as well as the E hybrid), but just haven't gotten around to buying them.
[Now back to your regular programming]

The Texas 10 Farewell Tour will have the discs this week. I look forward to throwing them and getting them into the hands of many Texans around here.

Thanks
Chris

Tomas how is it going?

Are you sold out, when do you ship the second run? How will the stamp look like?

Any release date on the Mirus ? Take care!

Hi MF100forever

Yes we are completely sold out on the Premiere Edition. The second run should be ready to ship in the middle of May. All discs will have individual stamps in the future. When we release a new mold we will have Premiere Edition stamp on it.

Mirus will be ready to ship in May

Mirus will be a new driver that is less overstable than Primitus and have more glide. It will be useful for players that doesn�t have the "swedish arm" ;)

"Swedish arm"? You mean a bad torque issue? :D

Latitude 64 Premiere Edition discs will be available at the Big Boone Course Challenge in Burlington, Ky. Also available online at Disc 'n Dat (http://www.discndatonline.com)

Latitude 64 discs are also available at UnderPar DiscGolf (http://www.underpardiscgolf.com)

Do you need another question asked?
How do they fly and what is the plastic like?



15 to 20 mph thrown in direct headwind and left to right cross headwind....


primitus... slick,and grippy at the same time
domey(very much so)overstable ...BUT thrown with about 45 degree anhyzer angle i threw it as far as a dx wraith which i threw for the first time also....435 feet(measured on a field) with about a 5 foot elevation drop

medius i flipped while throwing flat(not expecting that),flew pretty straight with slight hyzer angle

ap,and sp three different textures grip pads on top of disc is interesting but disc flies like any other putters for the most part

hope that helps you out dave

keith

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Zeroline Sinus AP & Sinus SP (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=3360)

Any new reports on the flight of the discs.

tell you in a few days...just bought the 4 disc set a minute ago with an extra putter..

Bring back my WARRIOR..you told me months ago you would search the building... :confused: :o

Any new reports on the flight of the discs.



2 posts up i gave you a run down
keith

I used the medius and the primitus today. The medius was nice for low speed sweeping hyzer shots, maybe 150-200 feet. I never got a chance to crank on it. The primitus seemed pretty overstable to me, a lot like my pred, maybe a bit longer. I'm going to replace my pred with it and see what happens. I used the medius like it was my drone, but it didn't skip like a drone, and was a bit longer than one. Not sure if it'll find a spot in my bag yet. I took the 2 Sinuses out with me too, but I just couldn't get a feel for em. Seemed buzzzish to me, but again, I never got a chance to crank on it.

Throw the Medius as hard as you can and i�m sure you will be surprised how far and stable it goes.

I�m surprised to hear that Keith could make it flip over, maybe you have flutter on your throws? Linus �str�m our newly signed Team member and current Junior World Champion can throw it as hard as he can and it fly excellent in both tail and headwind. This darn kid can throw it well over 450 feet. Another guy here in Sweden think it goes almost as far as a Teebird, but without any big curves or fades.

Try it and i�m sure many people can find this disc very suited for their game!

I threw all of the molds last night after my league. Every disc was really overstable and the driver and mid were very domey (even more so than gateway discs). The soft putter I threw was more overstable than a Rhyno or challenger and the hard was slightly less stable than the soft. All the discs flew really far, they were just a little too overstable for my liking.

I have been throwing the Sinus SP for long upshots and it's great. Holds the line well into a headwind too !!!!!

Thanks !!!! :D

I threw all of the molds last night after my league. Every disc was really overstable and the driver and mid were very domey (even more so than gateway discs). The soft putter I threw was more overstable than a Rhyno or challenger and the hard was slightly less stable than the soft. All the discs flew really far, they were just a little too overstable for my liking.



For those who have good technique the dome on a discs will allow the discs to glide farther forward without falling off as much left. the dome will also help shots flip up tp flat from Hyzer.
seeing as though most swedish players have been throwing flat high spee discs, I'm gusssing this is not exactly what you had in mind.

Tomas, do you want to know how to decrease the dome or is that really what you are wanting?
If the discs are overstable with dome they will be much more without?

I saw your machine stacking the discs on top of each other if you want less dome stack them upside down indiviually for over 6 minutes each before placing them into stacks.
The 1st 6 minutes is really important to the shape.
You can also run longer cycle times or add warm water to the mold instead of just tower or cold water.

Like I said I am more than willing to help.
Most doming can be corrected by the polymer, some with the profile of injection and hold times.
I see you have limited weight ranges that tells me you are probably not blending the materials.
You should at least call.

Warriors..Dave???

We still make warrors, they are called "E" Blazes and they are a lot less domey/
we stil have some of the old style warriors and may bring back the name for a different mold.
i always liked the apache and warrior names! :cool:

Latitude 64� Golf Discs | Thread..........

Hi Dave sorry for a late reply, my puter have been sick..

Thanks for your input but as far as the 64Dome goes it is exactly how we want it to be. If you look at the discs (Primitus and Medius) you can see they are not domey like a ballshape. They both have a "dip" on them before the dome rises so even if the discs is higher than the usual you don�t have that feeling when you grip them. The dome itself helps with the glide like you said and the dip helps the speed. Most people imagine our discs fly slow because of the dome, all we can say and everyone else that have tested them say the same; -They fly really fast.

Our new driver Mirus that we will release later this spring also have the 64dome and the testing shows a unique disc with both speed and glide. Very very good for distance but still we didn�t make the disc for distance. It will also be less overstable than the Primitus and more suitable for the amateur player.

We know quite a bit about cycle times, cooling, injection temperature, molding temperature, stacking, blending material etc. so no help needed there. We also have good help from a professor in Polymer technique.

Dome isn�t a problem if you designed the disc for it. It�s a problem if you for example get a dome on an Orc because of the polymer. Well it isn�t the dome itself, it�s the fact that the shrinkage makes the wing bend down, then you will have a completely different disc. If you can have exactly the same wing and only change the top to a more domey one, you wont see these dramatic changes. With this said, domey runs from a manufacturer that didn�t design the disc for a dome will in most cases be less stable and also quite different from the "original".

About the weights; -More weights will come in the future but I�m not sure if we�re gonna make 1 gram steps. At the moment we are discussing two weights, one heavy and one lighter. For example a driver 173 and 168 grams.

We will not make blends because of the loss of the quality in the runs. We want to be dead sure we can deliver the same disc year after year. We will try to avoid the silly chase for example the "Yellow first runs". We feel that people should know what to expect when they buy the second disc from us. They should get the same product they bought the first time, not the random run and color pick..

We believe this is most fair to all our customers.

Was able to borrow the driver today and that is a great disc..the dome scared me at first also, but when thrown I didn't even notice it...

predictable, overstable and LONG...great disc..can't wait to get my set

only problem I saw was durability..I didn't pop any trees with it, but it is very flexy...when my set shows up I will post more after playing some wooded courses

can't beat another company in the market...!!!

Latitude 64� Golf Discs | Thread..........



Opps it didn't post my question. It must of deleted it under that quote.


should have shown this....


Is this plastic like pro, star or champion? A combo of all 3 maybe?

Tomas,
Your direction is admirable for the consistancy, but the reality of consistant runs is,,,,, lets just say is a cross between science and art.

I will discontinue my offer to help, as you have made it very clear you do not need it, good luck with your company.

and the offer is always standing :cool:

Throw the Medius as hard as you can and i�m sure you will be surprised how far and stable it goes.

I�m surprised to hear that Keith could make it flip over, maybe you have flutter on your throws?



most people are surprised by what i do with discs when they see me throw...some good,some bad...
i can throw discs with almost 45 degree hyzer angle and watch them flip and turn over into the right head/cross wind,but i've been throwing beach fribees like that for 35 years...only been disc golfing for 10 years...
it took me 8 years to try and throw discs flat to get more distance,but i can almost guarantee you that there aren't too many people that can out throw me throwing ONLY hyzer for drives...(works great in the open holes but sukks royally in the wooded holes)
i did like the discs as i said earlier in the thread and i have used them in doubles play already...and will continue to use them...
i look forward to the mirus and your continued success...
hope to see you again at worlds!

keith

Is this plastic like pro, star or champion? A combo of all 3 maybe?



I would say it�s a mix beetween Pro and Star but with a little bit more grip.

Tomas,
Your direction is admirable for the consistancy, but the reality of consistant runs is,,,,, lets just say is a cross between science and art.

I will discontinue my offer to help, as you have made it very clear you do not need it, good luck with your company.

and the offer is always standing :cool:



Let me rephrase something I wrote about blends. Today we only use blends if we�re gonna change the shore number. But that shore number will be the same for that line of discs "forever". just to make sure we don�t mess with other things in the plastic between the runs.

Like I said before in this thread. We appreciate your offer and your willingness to help. But we feel we have everything under controll :cool:

Thanks
/Tomas

Got a mail yesterday from Lat64:

"Dear subscriber!

We can today announce that the PDGA approved our Mirus.
Down below you can read the measurements of it.

More information and a video of Mirus will be presented in a few days on www.latitude64.se (http://www.latitude64.se)

Latitude 64


Mirus
Certification No. 06-23
Outside diameter: 21.0 cm
Height: 2.4 cm
Rim depth: 1.1 cm
Rim thickness: 2.0 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.1 cm
Flexibility rating: 10.89 kg
Rim configuration rating: 27.25
Maximum weight allowed: 174.3 g"

wanted to post my impressions...

the primitus is indeed quite overstable, and when thrown flat went only about as far as the medius when also thrown flat. maybe that's just my arm though. But when I cranked a big S out of both discs... no comparison, the primitus went farther. The GripLine plastic is SWEET, super grippy and I'm loving it so far

I definitely had my doubts about durability of the plastic, but Lat64 seems to have done a good job here. I remember tacoing a pro orc on my second throw ever, but I hit three bulls-eye trees with my primitus when playing my local all-woods course and the disc is no worse for wear. I'll see how it stands up over time but initial impressions of durability is positive.

The sinus discs are fun to throw, but wont become my putter anytime soon. They're far too overstable for my liking when throwing at the chains, but I think would make a great upshot disc. If they released the thumb prints on something that flew more like a wizard or aviar... we'd be talkin' :cool:

Don't know if the Primitus will live in my bag, but so far I think the Medius has definitely earned a spot. Extremely predictable, love the flight, and feels good in the hand. I'm greatly looking forward to a Mirus if it has more glide and is less understable than a Primitus... apparently my real-world (not forum-world) 400' "weenie" arm isnt beefy enough to get as much as I'd like from the P. :D:D;)

Dave,
'Hows the Titan holding up?

titan's doing great :)

I just threw this disc.....................

You can flip it over and it slowly comes back hyzer.

Mirus
Certification No. 06-23
Outside diameter: 21.0 cm
Height: 2.4 cm
Rim depth: 1.1 cm
Rim thickness: 2.0 cm
Inside rim diameter: 17.1 cm
Flexibility rating: 10.89 kg
Rim configuration rating: 27.25
Maximum weight allowed: 174.3 g"

The weight of the disc I was throwing was 163 grams.

I would like you to write more about your impressions Quickdisc. How about the distance?

Our testing shows it go further than anything else out there...

The 163 proto is a little bit more understable than the ones we throw (169g) becuse of the weight but still stable enough to rip it really good. The production Mirus will also be less domey, but still have the 64dome. Testing shows that the domey ones goes further than flat ones. We think we found the perfect dome for this one!! Wait and see and pre-order this disc when it�s availible, because this disc is worth throwing if you like distance in your game!

A choice for both professionals and amateurs

production is going to be LESS domey than the protos? I'm just wondering how domey the protos were since the tech specs say the Mirus is already 0.1cm TALLER overall than the Primitus, and that's with a 0.1cm SHALLOWER rim depth too - to me, that math indicates a 0.2cm taller dome than the Primitus has (from the top of the rim height to the top of the disc's flightplate), and the Primitus is already pretty domey. Maybe I'm not understanding something correct from the specs, but I'm curious :)

primitus height: 2.3cm
mirus height: 2.4cm

primitus rim depth: 1.2cm
mirus rim depth: 1.1cm

It will be less domey than Primitus. Meaning, a lower top profile of the disc. Just like a flat whippet vs a domey top whippet... if you remember those :)

Thanks Thomas.

Yea , I can rip the .......out of it !!!! Goes a long way.

Has a nice glide to it. :D You can really throw it hard !!!!!

Maybe the dome helps it float longer ?

Yes the dome makes it float better. Or should I say better lift?

I�m very happy with the distance

I made the sacrifice and put a Primitus down on rough cement from a decent amount of hyzer. It gouges up a good bit more than ESP or Z plastic. I could have landed an ESP surge with a similar shot onto that road with the confidence that it'd only have a few nicks. This seemed to tear up like D plastic. It handled trees and hard ground well though.

Our testing shows it go further than anything else out there...

I'm curious to know what kind of "testing" you did to show that yours is, in fact, the furthest flying disc made.

Kinda reminds me of claims Discwing made about their QK...

-Eric K

That�s a good question Eric

I can understand your hesitation about this. We are aware of the fact that a big hype and missguiding promises easily can strike back at us. So before I could believe or even type looong distance I had to be as sure as possible. We have litterally ripped hundreds of throws and compared it to the hottest drivers out there. The outcome was good... Mirus showed a great potential as a distance driver because it was the longest allmost everytime.

We have had several test players with different arm speed.
Linus �str�m PDGA Junior World Champion 2005 broke his personal record with the first set he throwed. 538ft. with calm wind from right to left... (he�s right handed)

I wont announce it as the longest driver ever made, because the circumstance of a good distance shot can differ a lot. But compared to other good long distance drivers at the same circumstances, we are certain enough to say we beat them most of the time.

Until we have made a better testing equipment we have to test with real humans and their impressions.

Regards
/Tomas

Ps. You can say lots of things about Discwing and QK but the disc doesn�t come short in distance... as far as I can tell.

That�s a good question Eric

I can understand your hesitation about this. We are aware of the fact that a big hype and missguiding promises easily can strike back at us. So before I could believe or even type looong distance I had to be as sure as possible. We have litterally ripped hundreds of throws and compared it to the hottest drivers out there. The outcome was good... Mirus showed a great potential as a distance driver because it was the longest allmost everytime.

We have had several test players with different arm speed.
Linus �str�m PDGA Junior World Champion 2005 broke his personal record with the first set he throwed. 538ft. with calm wind from right to left... (he�s right handed)

I wont announce it as the longest driver ever made, because the circumstance of a good distance shot can differ a lot. But compared to other good long distance drivers at the same circumstances, we are certain enough to say we beat them most of the time.

Until we have made a better testing equipment we have to test with real humans and their impressions.

Regards
/Tomas

Ps. You can say lots of things about Discwing and QK but the disc doesn�t come short in distance... as far as I can tell.


Valid point, but remember....

The farthest discs ever thrown were an xs, valkyrie, and a teebird, not an Illusion, Wraith, Mirus, or Surge.

That�s a good question Eric

I can understand your hesitation about this. We are aware of the fact that a big hype and missguiding promises easily can strike back at us. So before I could believe or even type looong distance I had to be as sure as possible. We have litterally ripped hundreds of throws and compared it to the hottest drivers out there. The outcome was good... Mirus showed a great potential as a distance driver because it was the longest allmost everytime.

We have had several test players with different arm speed.
Linus �str�m PDGA Junior World Champion 2005 broke his personal record with the first set he throwed. 538ft. with calm wind from right to left... (he�s right handed)

I wont announce it as the longest driver ever made, because the circumstance of a good distance shot can differ a lot. But compared to other good long distance drivers at the same circumstances, we are certain enough to say we beat them most of the time.

Until we have made a better testing equipment we have to test with real humans and their impressions.

Regards
/Tomas

Ps. You can say lots of things about Discwing and QK but the disc doesn�t come short in distance... as far as I can tell.


Valid point, but remember....

The farthest discs ever thrown were an xs, valkyrie, and a teebird, not an Illusion, Wraith, Mirus, or Surge.







Exactly. Then again the others are great for golf D. I tried the primitus a few times and it was strange in that it was high speed understable and low speed overstable. This may be

Like I said before. Mirus isn�t designed for distance. we designed it to be less overstable and more suitable for the broad market than Primitus. Even if we knew it wouldn�t go short we were surprised about how far it goes.

Mirus is balanced in the air and good for Golf D

What I am saying is that there is too much movement in the Primitis' flight for me as a prefer discs with high resistance to turn and little fade.

Mirus is now on it�s way to the US and will be available soon.

The following can be said about it.

Premier edition is made in 3 weightspans, one color for each
weightspan. More colors will be available in the future.

Yellow discs weighs 170-171 grams
White discs weighs 168-169 grams
Red weights 165-166 grams

You may wonder why didn�t make maxweights (174g). The reason for this is that we feel that the disc works best in slightly lower weights and that we want the flightcaracteristics to be as similar as possible between weights. Heavier discs are slightly more overstable for us as for everyone else.

After prototype testing we have lowered the dome slightly to make it more "mainstream", people has felt that the Primitus was too domey and we will naturallly try to make discs that people want to use. Pure distance testing has shown that even domier Miruses goes slightly further. The one we decided to finally go with is however fast and controllable as well as far flying.

For the mainstream player I recommend the 168-169g discs. Even for players with a big arm. If you are going for distance purely the 165-166g is the best. Players who can�t throw more than 300ft should get the lighter weights to get as much as possible out of the disc.

Tomas,
There are many ways to make a 165 gram disc more overstable at the end of the flight as well as give it more resistance to turn, than a 175. Weight and stability are not always in direct corrilation.
Profiles of injection, like barrel temperatue, pressures speeds and cycle times and among a few.
You can also change back pressure ( more or less) as well as adjust high volume or low volume time , Speed or pressure.
Low volume transfer postion could add more plastic to the flighjt plate and reduce your dome and make the discs more centrifugal then Gyroscopic which would make them fade less at the end.
Any of these could change the stability of the discs even with the EXACT same Plasic.
Stacking the discs individually right side up or upside dwon and stacking them in stacks will also change the stability.
Of course color changes the melt flow and cooling time.
the variables mentioned here all all have an effect on the Stability.
Molding discs is just as much art as exact science.

Did you add some TPU to the primus to lower the dome or just a softer TPE?

The Mirus is a HUGE step in the right direction for Lat64, IMO (not to say they weren't already moving in the right direction, but this is certainly a step further!)

The rim is different feeling than many other drivers in my hand due to the convex rim and the (felt to me) slightly shallow rim depth. I had to adjust my grip on it a little bit but it still felt comfortable in my hand. I took the Mirus and two Pro Wraiths out to a field - one Wraith is beat, one is still crispy new and only has 1 round of play under it's belt.

Time and again, the Mirus was either 1st or 2nd for distance when throwing all three discs. And one time when it was first, it was first by a MILE! It has a very nice, fast release and flight - you have to throw a LITTLE more snap on the disc than you do a pro wraith to get it to fly flat, but it's very predictable mid-flight and any anhyzer you give it will pull slowly out to a fairly reasonable finish at the end. (it died a little harder/further left than my new pro wraith did). The only problem was one time that I got the nose up and that left finish was accentuated that much more... but for the most part the Mirus was more predictable and always close to the D the other discs were giving me. Once it beats in I'm sure it will ease off on as much of that left finish, but i think to anhyzer this disc effectively (and have it hold it) I would at least need to step down the weight (I have a 168, and the wraiths are both 171).

The Primitus was very overstable. The Mirus is slightly overstable. We need a flat driver and a truly understable driver (thinking teebird and valkyrie slots) now and Latitude64 will definitely have a full complement of drivers to carry in the bag.

Final verdict: I'm lovin' it! :D

Thanks Thomas !!!! :D

The Mirus is a fun disc to throw and flys really far.

I'm still using my SP putter for solid upshots.

Keep up the great work !!!!

No problem Quickdisc!

Of course we will keep up the good work, we will be even better!! :D

Good to hear that you still enjoy the SP. Personally I prefer a beat up Sinus AP for solid upshots.

I�m also glad to see that you liked the Mirus, I really hope more people will take the chance to test it. Do it, do it :D

Sorry to post on your thread Tomas, but I figure people interested in your discs would be interested in this.

The British Open Fundraiser Has Landed!

In conjunction with Latitude 64�, Disc Zoo (http://www.disczoo.com) is mighty proud to announce it will be title sponsor of the 28th British Disc Golf Open Championships.

A series of 3 official fundraiser discs have been produced:

* Mirus - awesomely grippable, highly durable distance driver.
* Medius - reliable mid range disc made from the same superb plastic.
* Sinus SP - putt and approach disc.

1 Fundraiser Disc = �12.00
2 Fundraiser Discs = �22.00
3 Fundraiser Discs = �29.00

All I can say is that the stamp looks great, the discs fly great, and the British Open will be great!

Cheers

Bruce

Our first flight chart is now available for download

http://www.latitude64.se/files/Latitude64_flightchart0606.pdf

Cool!!

You have to try the Mirus, it is an awsome disc, starting to love it more and more. This thing can really fly when you get the right release!

Tomas question, how big our your steps -3 ,-2 and so on...? The Primitus +2 and the Mirus +1, for me it is a really big difference in stability both at high speed and at the end in between these two discs, length about 120-130m(400feet)??

Hi MF100forever

We are very glad to see that you starting to fall in love with our new driver. Hopefully many people will try it and follow the same path as you. It�s a disc we hope many will have a go at, it�s worth it!

About your question:
Like I said before on this board, there are no exact way to compare discs and the stability �cause we all have different technicues etc. Until we have achieved a better way to make better tests we have to go with +3 to -3.
Primitus is like you say more overstable than the Mirus but maybe will we release an even more overstable driver soon (especially more fast speed overstable) So thats why we reserved +3 for that. Mirus is more like a conventional +1 driver, like the the rest of the manufactures list a +1 driver.

Our first flight chart is a guideline for people who want to know how the discs compare to each other. It�s not an exact science because today we don�t have the equipment to grade the discs equal.

Conclusion: I can�t answer how big the steps are. A +-0 disc is to me a disc that lands on the same line 90-100 meters away if you release it flat.

I hope you and many others continues to fall in love with our discs :D

Best regards
/Tomas


-This is only the beginning

Marshallstreetdiscgolf have a nice contest for you

check it out: http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/contest.html

Forgive my stupidity and lack of effort. Dont have time to read through the thread and do the research. Are the Latitude discs PDGA approved?

Before I tried the Medius i used my old CE Spider and Pro Shark.
They are very similar in the air but i like the Grip Line plastic better.
The biggest difference is that I can throw the Medius about 35 ft longer... :D


Forgive my stupidity and lack of effort. Dont have time to read through the thread and do the research. Are the Latitude discs PDGA approved?


Yes.

The Mirus that I just received in the mail flys like a miracle! :D

We are happy to announce that we will be a part of the PDGA Am Worlds in Tulsa!
We will sponsor the event and also be on site to meet players and show our new and already improved products.
Svante Eriksson and David Berglund will be representing Latitude 64. They can be found on both flymarts and on the courses throughout the week.

Latitude 64� proudly prestents Mirus the movie

This is the movie about Mirus, enjoy Linus �str�m the 2005 junior PDGA World Champion rip it.
It will be followed shortly with new movies of our other discs.

The movies will also be available on our website with higher quality under the link discs in a near future.

Latitude 64�

You should have Quicktime 7 installed to see the movie. You can download it for free if you click on this link.
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

Click on this link to see Mirus fly
http://www.latitude64.se/mc/mirus.mov

I was wondering how the Primitus and Mirus compare to an Orc stablility wise. I throw 170g orcs on a straight line with almost no left to right turn and I'm getting them out around 425-450 ft. If anyone has a review on either of these discs i would be very greatful. :D

The Prmitius ive thrown it and it is more stable than most orcs but does not fly as far. Now this is me tlaking and my number one driver is an orc but if you can throw +400 I think the prmitius is great and perdictable. But on a good day I could get an orc to go almost 400 no other disc can do it for me.

Congratulations to Mathias Nilsson from Ume�, Sweden. He won the Swedish Championships in Distance with our Mirus (Red 165g.). In no wind at all he managed to throw 170 meters (557ft.) and with that result he won the distance final with 5 meters. We from Latitude 64� salute you! :D

Love the movies! I wish other manufacturers would release something similar. :)

I was wondering if you have any other discs in the works?

YES we are working hard with more products. A few discs is under construction and also baskets, bags and some clothing. So expect more from us in a near future!

I love the Sinus SP but I'd like to make a suggestion if I may,,
I think if you guys make another putter that's less over-stable in the same soft plastic with the grip surfaces , you will have a winner on your hands.
Right now its great for putting into the wind but you have to be within its range before the point where it fades out. Otherwise its dead straight.
If I had a putter with the grips and plastic of the Sinus SP and the same or close to the same flight as the aviar, I'd be in heaven.

Save some money Drew, maybe you will go to heaven ;)

Tomas, what's new with Lat64? What are you guys working on right now? The baskets look sweet by the way. How much is the MSRP? When do the jackets and bags come out?

Hi and thanks for the questions

We are working with an understable driver that we intend to release next spring. We also have a few other discs on the drawing board. ...and maybe a new plastic?...who knows? ;)

The baskets both look and work great. They have a slide construction on the top and they catch very very well :D
Unfortunately for US market, the baskets is only for sale in Europe because of shipping, taxes, customs etc. Private customers can of course take a shot at them but the shipping will be expensive! Contact [email protected] for a quote

We have just finished the drawing of our bag and the search for good material to use have started. The bag will hold 15-20 discs on designed places, and a few more if you don�t want to bring clothes etc. We don�t want to make misstakes others have made, so we must be sure that the quality of the material is top notch before we release it. The bag will be in stores next summer.

We are also working with our "Iron Byron". (lets call it Big Bertha /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) A machine that can throw discs accurate and far. We still need to make some adjustments but the machine is today good for at least 125 meters (movies are coming later).

Thanks
'/Tomas

These discs are not offered here in BG and so I would have to order them online, and since no one here throws these discs I was curious to know if anyone on these boards throws discs from this company. If you do, would you recommend any of these discs, and which ones? Also, how would you compare their flight paths to other discs from INNOVA, Discraft and Gateway? Granted my bag is mainly INNOVA w/2 Discraft discs (Surge and Buzzz) but I always like to try new discs out from different companies and see whether or not I can find use for them. I've been interested in these discs for quite some time, but have never gotten the chance to throw any.

I replaced my Rhyno with the Sinus SP.
It just preforms better as a headwind putter and I like the 3 grip areas.
Wasn't very happy with the plastic of the drivers though. I liked the Medius, but it hasn't nudged out the Roc or Shark out of my bag.

I use SP also, great overstable putter that really fits me like a glow, the 2nd run plastic is awesome!

i use a sinus ap for windy conditions when i need that upshot. had a medius for awhile. it became unreliable after awhile. good disc though maybe in a champion type plastic it would hold up better.

I like the plastic fo rhte drivers, but have no need for the discs.
The Mirus flies like my beat in X Avenger, but with more turn.
I suppose like a beat Starfire...
The Primitus is an overstable pig. Think Predator, Monster, Tee-Rex.

I have a new Primitus and a used Mirius if you are interested in trading instead of buying new. PM me.

I have the full 4 disc set when they came out - make an offer

I replaced my Rhyno with the Sinus SP.
It just preforms better as a headwind putter and I like the 3 grip areas.
Wasn't very happy with the plastic of the drivers though. I liked the Medius, but it hasn't nudged out the Roc or Shark out of my bag.


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Hi Thomas, have you decide a release date for the new Vision?

Hi MF100

Sorry for a late reply.

I can�t give you any date for the release yet. It will be later this spring though.

/Tomas

New models from Latitude 64 this spring!
Spike and Vision will be coming out in the beginning of April.
Read more on www.latitude64.se (http://www.latitude64.se)

/ David

A limited number of Spike`s have now crossed over the Atlantic and has landed in the US:)

To read more about Spike visit www.latitude64.se (http://www.latitude64.se)
To get your hands on one visit www.dtworld.com (http://www.dtworld.com)

Cheers
David

David,

A couple of questions,

Please tell me what the plastic is like. Is it a hard plastic like the Sinus AP or the softer plastic like the SP?

How well does it take a beating?

What is the stability like, straight like an Avair or overstable like the Sinus?

Thanks ahead of time for the answers.

Hi Paul

Thanks for your questions

The Zero Line Spike is soft like the Sinus SP
The flight is neutral to slightly understable (if you throw it hard). Because it�s less "high" in the grip than a regular putter it has a little bit more fade, but the feeling and the smooth release will blow that small problem away instantly! It has two TractionZones so you can choose between different grip. Or you can use it without them. Anyway you feel comfort with.
A great disc for putting and upshots

The Grip Line Spike plastic has the same good grip like before but is more durable. We improveded the plastic in the Spike Grip Line to be more durable without loosing the good grip feeling.
The flight is stable and the disc feels very good in the hand and is suitable for throws between 200-300 feet. Perfect for short drives, curve shots.

/ David

did you guys wind up using some urethane in your mix or are you still using just one polymer?

Hi Dave

Yes the improved Grip line has a blend of two polymers.

Hi Tomas,
were did you send the discs to be tested ;)

Dear mr Kjell

Tomas has missed this task. So I will today post 1 Spike Zero Line and 1 Spike Grip Line to you.
They will be at Latitude 65� on monday:)
Have fun with the testing

/ David

As a matter of fact it was Davids misstake, not mine. I left the address to him and he forgot to ship your discs. :mad:

But they are on the way right now! :D

Quote from an American buyer of SPIKE that emailed me a few days ago :)
Just picked up a pair of Zeroline Spikes on sunday night after the final round of the Golden State Classic. This is exactly the disc I'd been hoping for. Thank you very much :)

What does the grip line plastic feel like? Can is be related to any other plastics on the market?
Thanks

The new improved Grip line that we use in Spike is similar to Innovas Star, but maybe with a little bit more grip to it.

/Tomas

Is the spike in the zero line stiff like the sinus ap or soft like the sp?

It�s soft like the Sinus SP

You can now pick up the new Spike Grip Line or Spike Zero Line at Disc Golf World
www.discgolfworld.com (http://www.discgolfworld.com)

The feedback from Europe about Spike has been great. So congratulation Kansas City Missouri :)

Got two Spikes more than a week ago, but have not had time to test them yet, one in Gripline and one in Zero-line (Both yellow and 174grams). Read somewhere on the web about the disc, it was describe as a Coyote, and sure it is close, the bottom is similar. The top of the rim is more blunt; it resembles more to a Classic Ace or the early Hammers, or even the old Innova Coupe :D
When you place the discs side by side, you will se that the top of the Gripline Spike is much higher.
The feeling of the plastic is great by the way; Zero-Line Spike is made in the same soft Zero-line those later runs of the Sinus SP, very comfortable. The Grip-line is made in a plastic that resembles Star-plastic and is really "grippy", not so extreme as for example the first run of the Mirus (They felt like they were glued to the hand ;)). I really tried to abuse them :eek: :o, I must say I overdid it a bit, normally an approach/ short-midrange discs does not get this beating, I was hitting rocks and other stuff. The Grip Spike had no problem at all, the Zero is more "sensitive", I would compare durability and feeling with the Innova putter dx-plastic, well ok, Zero is a bit harder.
The Spikes has the two tractions zones instead of Sinus SP/AP, which have three. My thumb always stays outside the zones when throwing, it is just more comfortable, and of course that it is a matter of taste. The grip on the Spike feels great for both forehand and backhand, the rim is quite low, no rough/sharp edges that needs to be sanded away, specially on the Zero-version.

I normally use the Ch Glo Coyote (around 175gr) and Zephyr (195-198) for shots between 30-70m. I use forehand 99% of the time for these distances. I know that most of the players haven�t tried or even heard of the Zephyr, it is a basically an enlarged Piranha/Birdie type disc, 24cm in diameter also with the Thumtrac. As new it flies very stable and absolutely no fade at all! There is one minus; it doesn�t stay in the basket as easy as the smaller discs. Dave D if you ever read this, please do a test run of the Zephyr in Champion or/and Star-plastic!! :p

Well how do they perform in the air then; I finally got to try them during the last couple of days. Zero Spike works really well for me on approach shots between 30-60m. If you throw it flat in "basket-height" it holds the line with a very moderate fade at the end of the flight! It really doesn�t like hard winds put it was quite easy to control anyway.
With the Grip Spike you can ad some more power and get a couple extra meters in range, it flies a bit more overstable than its "Zero-fellow".

Both versions are excellent as putters, but I prefer the Zero for both putting, approaches and short drives.
Well, will I replace my putter, my Glo Coyote�s and the Zephyr�s with one disc, the Spike, no I don�t think so right, but the Coyote might be in danger, I am working on it..... ;)
If you are looking for a stable disc in this segment give the Spikes a chance, really recommended!! Great product from Latitude64.

quote]Hi Paul

Thanks for your questions

The Zero Line Spike is soft like the Sinus SP
The flight is neutral to slightly understable (if you throw it hard). Because it�s less "high" in the grip than a regular putter it has a little bit more fade, but the feeling and the smooth release will blow that small problem away instantly! It has two TractionZones so you can choose between different grip. Or you can use it without them. Anyway you feel comfort with.
A great disc for putting and upshots

The Grip Line Spike plastic has the same good grip like before but is more durable. We improveded the plastic in the Spike Grip Line to be more durable without loosing the good grip feeling.
The flight is stable and the disc feels very good in the hand and is suitable for throws between 200-300 feet. Perfect for short drives, curve shots.

/ David

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David and Tomas,

I went with the Zero line and have been putting with it in the backyard for about a week now. I took it to the weekly mini tonight and WOW, did I ever feel comfortable and confident. This is the putter that I have been looking for for a long time now. Soft, yet firm, hard but grippy, and it is a straight flyer that will grab the chains and hold on.

Thanks guys, you have a winner with this one.

Thanks Paul for the review of the disc!
I�m glad to see that you like it like many others do in Europe. I hope more Americans will try it ;)

thanks
/Tomas

Gripline Spike (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1516)
Zeroline Spike (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1515)

What disc is most related to the Core that will be released soon?

I would say Buzzz, Roc or maybe an Aurora MS. CORE will not have a beaded rim like a Roc. The stability and the way you can use it will be similar to the examples above.

In short terms; -Core will be a stable midrange with less fade than for example our Medius S2. It will also be less overstable than Medius.

I was just out at the field today and was practicing throwing my new sinus ap zeroline. And compared to my sinus ap premiere edition it was very understable. It also beat in very fast. I use it as a putter as well. Was there a different plastic used in making the two different discs? A slightly different mold? or did I just get a bad batch of ap zeroline's?

when is the release date for the new opto line vision and when will the vision and core be available in the US? thanks!

Hi JDesrosier,
Are you sure you didn�t get a SPIKE Zeroline and compared it to your premiere edition SINUS AP?
The Zeroline stamp has just been added and is not available on the Sinus in the US as far as we know.
Please let us know which was the case just so we know if there are understable Sinuses out there, (we find it unlikely� :D ).
Regarding your other question; Vision will be available at Discovering the World and Sun King Discs shortly. Keep an eye on their websites to see when it arrives. Core will be available approximately 6 weeks from now if all goes to plan.

I got the pink sinus ap off of www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com) (sorry if I am getting anyone in trouble, as i didnt know there werent supposed to be sinuses in the us with the zeroline stamp). And I guess that I dont find the sinus AP Zeroline really understable, but the top flight plate seems to be flat, not almost concave like my sinus AP Primere edition. I really like the zeroline run, but it beat up very quickley for the first hour or so of putting, and the flight never really changed. I guess that I was very nervous when I first saw it beat up very quickly, but like I said, after that it hasnt changed appearance, but the stability has always been superb.

I cant wait till the vision and core!
Also, I got my first ace yesterday with my primere editon medius! Thanks for the great discs!

The Vision and Core will not have the dome that the Mirus, Primitus and Medius have, will they? Thanks!

I have a few questions...
1. will the vision be available only in the grip line plastic in the US, (discovering the world only has it in preorder for the grip line) And I was really hoping to get the opto line.
2. will there be anyother additions to the opto line like the mirus or primitus?
thanks so much for your time and help!

Vision has no dome like Mirus etc. Core will not have a dome either.
Medius S2 that was released in Europe last year has less dome than the premiere edition. Much flatter disc! Discovering will have them shortly for the first time.

The Opto line plastic isn�t ready yet so I can�t say anything about discs in that line. But I�m pretty sure we will make Mirus in it.
/Tomas

Fellow discgolfers!
We at Latitude 64� are now ready to inform you that we have released our new plastic Opto line. The first disc with this great plastic will be the driver Vision that is suitable for beginners and amateurs.
The first batch with the colors transparent and purple has been sent to the US and will be availible at our distributor Discovering the World late week 2 or beginning of week 3.
It will be followed by our new straight flying midrange disc Core that will be released in the end of february. Both Vision and Core will also be avaliable in the improved Grip line plastic.
From all of us at Latitude 64� Have a great discgolf year 2008.



http://www.discgolfsweden.se/images/discar/vision_opto_lila.jpg http://www.discgolfsweden.se/images/discar/vision_opto_trans.jpg

Looks cool :cool:
Tomas, how do they fly compared to the grip Vision?

My friend has one and it feels really nice. The plastic is a grippy-clear blend very remniscent of crystal Z. He is not sure if he is going to throw it or not yet, so unfortunately I did not get to try it. The mold looked a little like a beefier original mold Beast.

Tomas,
drop me a line and we'll talk about the worlds! these look sweet!!!!

The Vision Optoline has now arrived in the USA.
It`s available at Discovering The World.
Click here here for more information and comment`s about it from the US.
Discovering The World (http://www.dtworld.com/product_p/lat-vis-opt.htm)

Also in stock at Sun King discs the 1/25/08, click on this link for more information Sun King Discs (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1744)

To read more about our products go to Latitude 64� (http://www.latitude64.se/)

The Vision Optoline has now arrived in the USA.
It`s available at Discovering The World.
Click here here for more information and comment`s about it from the US.
Discovering The World (http://www.dtworld.com/product_p/lat-vis-opt.htm)

Also in stock at Sun King discs the 1/25/08, click on this link for more information Sun King Discs (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&amp;ProdID=1744)

To read more about our products go to Latitude 64� (http://www.latitude64.se/)



It might seem strange, but in America people spend more money if you brag about your new discs. Tell us how fast it is and how far it goes and people will be drooling over that pretty plastic! :D