It's good to see the club coming together and voicing their opinions. That is what a club is about!!! I love the fact that we have a brave soul to run this league. I think it's unfair to leave all the details to one person. Running it and making the rules (fees, club fund, etc...), are two different things. We should really come together and go over these kinds of things, as a club. That way this one person doesn't get hammered for doing it their way (right or wrong) and the club can take responsibility as a group.

Yes, the fees are too high. I'd like to beg my boss for different hours on Tue and Thur but, not at that expense. For someone who cashes (Bird) you�d think money wouldn�t be the issue but, it is. There are a lot of hard core golfers out there that utilize this league to perfect their game and prepare for Sanctioned Events ($$), for others it�s for fun (still costly). If and when it comes down to it, I�ll be honest; I�m saving my cash for those types of events. I�d rather show my club spirit and participate; it�s just not that inviting. I appreciate all the efforts that are being made but, as a club, do we really want decisions made for us. Many of us have expressed new order but, decisions still keep getting made alone.

Here are a few things to ponder:

1) Do we really need a party fund? We could always host some type of fundraiser amongst LODGA members

2) Do you think a club membership would elevate fund issues? Possibly

3) Do we really need a CTP? Who usually gets that? A bagger or an Open player. I�m not as hater; I�ll get it one day.

4) What is our club fund at now? Who is keeping up with that? Who decides how we spend that money? I�m hoping it�s the �club�.

I just want to express my passion for this club; it has to be a club in order to run like one. Without these interests; where is the future of our club going? I hope nobody is offended by my opinion. As a LOLO I have big plans for our club. Okay, so we need more recruits���.we�ll get there and in due time order will need to be restored (I wouldn�t do that without asking other LOLO�s). Trail and error is the true test. This club is not what it used to be because there are more of us now. We need to start getting a majority vote!
Keep the peace�.I love spending time with every one of you!!!!!
Stacey

That is a great post. :cool:

Random thoughts:

I think $15 is too much, but I'll still play. Maybe a little less, but I will still play.
We'll get more new players if it's cheaper. You can make up for low prices with higher volume.

I like to party from time to time, but I respect those who would prefer not to pay for a party they will not attend.
We should figure out a way to make it optional.

Memberships - study what other clubs have done, but be careful when you start talking about dues.

I like the new way of doing CTP during the round. Separate pro and am CTP is better for the ams.

Finally, thanks to the TD's for their time and dedication.

;)

I'll still play at $15.00 because I'm a Disc Golf Addict. :D But it's still gonna hurt the wallet. I guess I'll just have to take everyone's money. :o/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :cool:/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

what are the three different minis being held now? and their fees? who's running each of them?

Dont you think you should get a part time job that your good at. :o:D



Hey!!! I cashed last night $7 :D:D:D




Well just add 8 more dollars and you can play again :o:D

I miss you guys already :D

But seriously, the fees were set at the meeting at Laura's house. Bird suggested the club fund. Pesonally, I don't like the CTP's... but it does give the TD a few moments to get cards ready without everyone looking over their shoulder. The party fund is necessary to reward the players, and it is a great time to socialize as a club. But it takes money, and if you wait till the end and then go begging, you'll have no party. BTW, I don't drink beer either, but it seems to be a necessary part of any party /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If I was there I'd suggest kill the CTP $1, lower the entry fee for Open to $8 and still have $8 + $1 Ace Pot, + $1 Party fund + $1 club fund. (It was made $2 to keep it even $15 so the TD would not have to deal with singles, but oh well) So you're at $11 for open, less for am.

Bottom line, talk to your League Director Keith Big Bird Baker. He won't smack you with those big hands, I promise :o

He will smack you with those big hands if you have the hiccups, trust me I know.

what are the three different minis being held now? and their fees? who's running each of them?





Tuesday's League Universal City Sign up by 5:45 P.M. Open $15.00 not sure am price.

Thursday's League Live Oak Sign up by 5:45 P.M. Open $15.00 not sure am price.

Sunday's Mini Universal City Sign up 9:00 A.M. $12.00 Open and $8.00 Am.

The League is being run by Keith Baker, Carlos and Larry. RT usually runs the Sunday mini but i don't know if he is doing that anymore?

I was at that meeting; I thought decisions didn't have to be made right then and there.........I thought we were just looking for a new TD for LOSO. Thanks, Big Bird!!! :D I still believe one person shouldn't make all the decisions. We need to vote and make sure everyone has a say so from this point on. I'd hate to see this turn into a Click and not a Club. There are a lot of great ideas and as a Club we should weed out what's best for the Club, TOGETHER! This will take more than just 1 meeting.

Discgolf is my reward from my daily life!!! :D :) :cool:

Decisions were made quickly, because the league started just a few days later. Can't start without a plan in place. It can be adjusted, just talk to Keith, et al. Yes it's a club effort, but the TDs are the ones stuck living with the way things are set up and enforcing the rules, so they should get the final up or down IMHO.

My Total League Winnings So Far $54.00, I think I'm getting better at my Part Time Job. :D:)

Good thing's come with a good price folk's.

Later,,,,,,,,,,,










RT



:cool:

Some of us have to make decisions as to which good things we spend our good money on. Going to retire in May, so I have to make decisions that I don't like such as dropping Worlds from my agenda this year and now probably the minis. Still have casual play and hopefully a couple local tournaments I can make and maybe a mini once in a while when I get my allowance. See you on the course.

... I also didn't know Brian handled the arrangements for the last party. I was under the impression a few individuals had already decided where it would be and what was to be there ... The first I heard was where it was going to be and how much beer they could get and to make sure it was available in a timely manner. I had no problem with the previous party that I know was handled by Brian and I thought it went very well. I did not attend the last one because of the impression I got from what it was going to be like. Maybe I got the wrong impression, but I felt more emphasis should have been put on using the money for more awards and drawings than on the beer ...



My sentiments exactly. I understood that it was going to be closer to a beer blast than to an awards ceremony. As said, maybe that impression was wrong but that's what I got out of it and that's why I didn't attend.

I'm not mad or evenly mildly upset about last year's party. But maybe the emphasis should be shifted back towards the awards ceremony side of the balance.

OK, so I should read the board a little more often, and read all of the replies before firing something off...

I'm not trying to stir the pot back up just a little behind on the board.

The league TD's are doing a great job and many thanks go to them and especially the Grand Poobah Killerbee.

I think the fees are a little high now. For ams, the cost went from $7 last year to $10 which is almost a 50% increase. Maybe we can cut a dollar off of that and not pad the various funds as quickly.

Maybe this has been answered already but I'll ask again... Are our scores being kept? Will there be someone or someway that the scores and our placing in the league can be viewed, like in years pass? Will lodga.com hold this info eventually? Just curious, I always like to see where I sit versus my fellow Am's.

I asked Big Bird about that and the status of the LODGA website a couple of weeks ago and he said he was going to ask Brian about it. I haven't heard anything more about it since then.

I asked Brian about the LODGA Website before he left. He stated that he will continue to maintain the Website for the next couple of years because he has already paid for that period.

i'll keep the website active but as to posting scores, no can do. i'd be happy to show someone how to do it, or they could create a pdf file from a spreadsheet, and i can post a link. also, someone may want to manage the e-mail list and the event calendar, both easy, you just need the password. see y'all at uc sunday for my b'day mini :D

Cool! I'm making this one!

Cant make it this Sunday will be at TWC with my daughter, HAPPY B-DAY COLD STEEL :cool:

Same as last post (with wife), Happy B-Day. :)

Is there a mini tonight? If so, when and where?

Mini is at Live Oak tonight. I know the LOLO's meet at hole 28, but not sure where our meeting place is.

Sign up by 5:45.

I remember the day when Gatorputt ruled the message board's! What happened? Now it's ruled by newbies! :D

They are not newbies, they just changed their names to protect the guilty. :D

Is thursday doubles or singles?

I think single's sir. We played double's @ UC Tues.

Happy b-day mr. Updog, Hey Mr. Baker said you were keeping track of the standings is this a true statement? And are you posting them in any special place, gotta have secret password to get in, you get my drift. Just asking

Yes, I am keeping them. I'll have something ready very soon.

How come I am not surprised. That's keen. As my Grandpa would say. :D :D :D :D :D :cool:Happy B-day by the way sir.

GO SPURS GO!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)

Russ won today, Good win. Dub's. On Sun. Josh and small RT Do good. No bogey's all weekend, nice bro. russ. Those ontario roc's are workin for yah. :)

This Sunday's mini will be cancelled, since Mike Huey is having a World Biggest in Bandera, Texas. Then a post party at his land. IM me if you have any question's or need any further info.
RT

26 player's showed up! Seventeen AMS! SWEET

OPEN:

Big Bird $26 3 way tie for 1rst @ 50
Josh $26
Carlos $26
Russ $10

Victor shot 49 and would of won open! Move up now!

AM:
Vic $30
Jarad V $14
Jarad R $14
Diego $10
Mike H $8
Stew $6
John A $6

Double's was at Live Oak. Hole 1 and hole 5 have been moved.
We played the original layout.
Team Big Bird and Vic shot 42 as did Josh/Jeff.. Good Shooting today guy's!

Vic/Big Bird $30
Josh/Jeff $30
Jarad A/RT $10

There will be a mini Father's day!
Take care,
RT

Hole 1 and hole 5 have been moved.




RT, we are skipping hole 1 at LOSO, but can we still play 5 or do I need another hole?

Hole 1's teebox is moved over about 30ft to the right. So the Basket for hole 1 is in that field to the right if you re-call the field, often used for parking. And hole 5's tee box is moved to the right of it's prior placement about 160ft near the drainage ditch and the basket is about 280ft in the same field and right of hole 1. So that bridge is gonna be used that is to the left of hole five's old placement.

Hole 1 and hole 5 have been moved.




RT, we are skipping hole 1 at LOSO, but can we still play 5 or do I need another hole?



1 nor 5 was on my map.

I haven't made the copies yet. I thought the city wasn't going to make any changes until after the tournament. I guess construction of the new ballfield has finally begun......

You're right Geoff, we left out 1 and 5 for LOSO to be safe. Glad we did!

Hey Lopar, is the city down with providing a muell? How about water and ice (as a saftey issue) there's gonna be 200 people in the park that day (July). Circle 786 has already bought all the discs, I'll ask him if need be, but that would be sweet if the city could hook us up.

JB, the city will provide a mule, but we can't drive it, so it's useless. BB is going to rent two golf carts for us at LO. He gets a great deal from a friend of his. We won't need one at UC.

10-4. what about H2O?

there is water at the pool house and at UC. Just need to fill up the coolers. I have them at my house in SA. We will need ice though, I thought 786 was providing that. If not, it's not that expensive.

He may, I'll ask. just didn't wanna double dip and wear out our welcome.

so el chile put it on you five strokers :D:p

:cool:

what time is tuesday's mini?

5:45 sign up 6pm throw

28 player's showed up today. Schweet. Ace Pot still remain's $300 with the back up one @ $75. Double's acepot $240 No Ace's Hit!
CTP winner Tracy O. $20
Larry T. $8

Open:
1rst Chile $50
2nd Tracy $35
Tie for 3rd $15 each
Russ Evans
Rick Gaskill
Tie for 4th $3 each
Carlos M.
Larry T
12 open player's today.
_________________________________
AM:
1rst John Arrick $25
tie for 2nd
Victor V. & Jarrod V $14
John B. $8
Charlie and Mike Huey $6 each
Jerry H. $4
Jeff/Russell $2 each

Thx for showing up!

Would have been nice to see a few more of you folks at a Third Coast event.

Would have been nice to see a few more of you folks at a Third Coast event.



Only a few. Man I would say a bunch. Sound's like fun!


The LODGA is an alliance of players from San Antonio, Live Oak, Universal City, Schertz, New Braunfels, Pipe Creek and Gonzales. We have several "mini" tournaments throughout the week including our summer league. The LODGA is a PDGA affiliated club. Enjoy your stay, and please come back often!

Brian P has updated the league results, they can be found here...

http://www.lodga.com/2007League/2007_League.htm

Thanks Pascally! ;)

RT, you all have a mini on sunday morning at UC (singles) and doubles at Live Oak on sunday afternoon (doubles).
I just want to make sure, because it looks like no Lewisville this weekend.

any minis saturday?

RT, you all have a mini on sunday morning at UC (singles) and doubles at Live Oak on sunday afternoon
(doubles).
I just want to make sure, because it looks like no Lewisville this weekend.




Sunday mini, Dubs @ Live Oak or UC, depend's on the other discer's opinions'. Nothing sat BUTT!
UC need's a little TLC.. I would love to go out Sat morn. do some trimming if we could get about 10 peep's. Start on hole 10 @ 9:30. Head count.
1... RT

RT I will try and make it, no promises during the summer.

i have to work in the morning. afternoon i can be there. or let me know what holes and i'll go try and do some.

I'll be there if not working. Sometimes dont know until the last minute.

Headcount: 3

Come on Live Oakers, step up and help RT whip UC into shape! You know I'd be there if I didn't need a passport :D

Are we officially rained out today?

Are we officially rained out today?



Jimbob is on his way to the course to check things out give him a call...

Headcount 4 Gaskill is helping. Maybee John Arick.

I talked with Shawn Hess and the NB Boys have cleared and wacked alot of weeds down. And they might be there in the AM.
So there should only be minimal work to be done.
SCHWEET!

thank you everyone that is donating their time to make course improvements.

what holes need work. i am going to go out after work today and i would like to know what needs to be done.

What time are you heading out, Josh? I will try to lend a hand.

i get off at 4. probably around 5. i'll know more after my lunch break.

Happy Birthday JOSH!
Everything look's great! LODGA Showed up in Force.
We mowed the whole course and edged around the tree's and trimmed also. And also mulched tee-boxes and basket's!
DONE!

WOW.....great job. i wish i could have been there. oh well there will be more to come. thanks for the B-day wishes. i'm going to try to go out there and play a round after work still if anyone is interested.

what time? I might make it.

Great turnout again at the Sunday mini, as everyone gets ready for LOSO...and the course looked great. :cool:

7-1-07 24 player's showed up today:
21 open players:
OPEN:
1rst Joe T $65 shot 46
2nd Chile $50 shot 47
3rd Alex $40 shot 48
4th 4 way tie shot 49
$15 a piece:
Ernie, Josh, Phil, Larry

AM:13 player's:

AM:

1rst $23 Jerrod
2nd $12.50 Jody C. Mike H.
4th $8 Marsh
5th $3 Scott H., Jeff, Blu

CTP winner's $20 George, $13 Jerry H.


Good seeing some outa towner's. No Mini next Sunday since LOSO is in TOWN.

the course looked great!! thanks to everyone that helped get it ready!

wow that is the first time I got to play the new wooded holes at UC. very nice.. How about some doubles scores :D

I lost a Z Glide in the tree on tourney hole 4 (not sure what hole that is normally). If anyone finds it I'll be at league on Tuesday and Thursday. Thanks

is there a mini today at UC? how is the course holding up after the last bit of rain?

is there a mini today at UC? how is the course holding up after the last bit of rain?


Pending the rain there is a mini.

The course is in great shape, they trimmed it up a bit and scores should be low.

Every body needs to do a stop the rain, rain dance starting today everyday until Monday. :mad:

20 player's show up for the U.C. Sunday mini:
Current Single's acepot $300-----Current Double's Acepot $260
With the Backup acepot for single's $125

No Ace's hit today.

OPEN:
Phil 47 $50
Josh 48 $35
Rick 50 $20
JoeT 51 $5
Pete 51 $5
RT 51 $5

AM:

Mike 52 $18
Hearn57 $9
Jeff 57 $9
Rich 59 $3
JohnB59 $3

CTP Winner Jerry Lively

Double's was @ Live Oak
Huey/RT 45 $30
Rick/Arick 50 $10

8 Player's for double's.

Have a great week!

You'll all be proud. I am in Virgina this week on business and attended a local weekly/mini in Newport News. Playing in Texas at UC and Live Oak has definately helped my game out. I dominated the local AMs on their own course and took home 1st place. There is another weekly/mini at a different course on Thursday. I'll be looking to do the same out there.

Live Oak Represents!!!!!

You'll all be proud. I am in Virgina this week on business and attended a local weekly/mini in Newport News. Playing in Texas at UC and Live Oak has definately helped my game out. I dominated the local AMs on their own course and took home 1st place. There is another weekly/mini at a different course on Thursday. I'll be looking to do the same out there.

Live Oak Represents!!!!!




<font color="red">GOOD JOB SCOTT!!! </font>

See how Nite Golf can improve your game.... :D:D:D

21 player's showed up this morning. No Ace's hit.
Single's acepot $300/ Double's acepot $263
CTP Winner RT/Brian P.

OPEN:

1rst RT $45 -8 46
2nd Josh $30 -7 47
3rd Phil $20 -6 48
4th Charlie$8 -5 49
4th Joe T $8 -5 49

AM:

1rst Jarrod $20 MOVE UP! 49
2nd Mike H. $12 57
3rd Jeff $4 59
3rd Lively $4 59
3rd John A $4 59
3rd John B $4 59

Double's No aces hit
Result's
Nick/Mike H $30 -12
RT/Dave $0 -5
Rick/Jeff $0 -5


Have a great week!

RT

27 player's showed up Sunday morning. No Ace's hit.
Single's acepot $300/ Double's acepot $276
CTP Winner John B/ Robert G.

OPEN:

1rst Robert G $55 42
2nd Phil $40 46
3rd Pete $20 47
3rd RT $20 47
4th Tracy $4 48
4th Nick $4 48
4th Joe T $4 48



AM:

1rst Jarrod $22 MOVE UP! 52
2nd Scott H. $10 53
2nd Marsh $10 53
2nd John B $10 53
3rd Mike H $5 54
4th John A $3 55

Double's No aces hit
Result's

Bill/ Rick $40 44
Larry/John
Shawn/Carlos
Tied and split $30 Both teams shot 45


Have a great week!

RT

hey RT you do am payout in merch or $$? I bet if you make it merch you will have players moving up :D

hey RT you do am payout in merch or $$? I bet if you make it merch you will have players moving up :D


I bet if you did merch it would be way more of a hassle and you wouldn't get as many people to show up.

maybe true but you will elimante the BAGGING.

maybe true but you will elimante the BAGGING.



I wouldn't call winning by one bagging. Now he does win a lot, but usually one **** stroke. His score would have got him squadoush in the pro ranks.

I think Am's should get paid out in merchandise, just like PDGA Events. Why would I move up to Open when I can take everyone's money by one stroke in Am's. :D:D:D

So you want merch...

1) gotta buy enough stock to have a good variety (lotsa $$) Have to buy 100 minimum now to get a good price break from innova. So about $900 to get you started.
2) gotta track the inventory so you know when to repurchase
3) Do you pay out at each event or keep a running tab. running tab takes time and organization
4) who keeps the margin or do you even have a margin?
5) What do you do with the crap no one wants. TD gets stuck with it. I still have discs from those merch days.
6) once again, ideas are great. Step up and run the merch for the mini for RT. I'm sure he'd have no problem with that.
7) Seems the ams like $$ just like so called pros. By lowering the entry fee for ams there is less to be paid out, so if they want more $$, then there is the incentive to move up, if that is what this is all about.

BTW, all cash payout for ams and pros here in Big "D" too.

So you want merch...

1) gotta buy enough stock to have a good variety (lotsa $$) Have to buy 100 minimum now to get a good price break from innova. So about $900 to get you started.
2) gotta track the inventory so you know when to repurchase
3) Do you pay out at each event or keep a running tab. running tab takes time and organization
4) who keeps the margin or do you even have a margin?
5) What do you do with the crap no one wants. TD gets stuck with it. I still have discs from those merch days.
6) once again, ideas are great. Step up and run the merch for the mini for RT. I'm sure he'd have no problem with that.
7) Seems the ams like $$ just like so called pros. By lowering the entry fee for ams there is less to be paid out, so if they want more $$, then there is the incentive to move up, if that is what this is all about.

BTW, all cash payout for ams and pros here in Big "D" too.



It's just my opinion and when I lived in Arlington, Ams were paid out in plastic at Veterans Park. I think cash is the way to go now but as the sport gets bigger in the SA area then I also think it will be something to look at. The Am's that are winning will maybe get the last cashout from the mini. They make more money staying in Am. That's why they don't move up. Money, Money, Money!!! :)

You talk about money for the discs, Inventory, Stepping Up, Etc:. We have a Club with Club Funds. No one has to pay $900 for a disc purchase for merchandise, we already have our money invested into the club. Put the money back into the club from the payouts.

It always sounds like a bad idea no matter what you say here. How come there is always how this will not work or how tough this will be? :confused:

I vote cash payouts. We don't need to create problems where none exist. Am's can buy the discs they want from any seller they want--there are too many brands, weights, molds, etc for the club to keep up with.

Tying up club funds in inventory, which turns old, and no one wants, is not good use of those funds. Plus, more hassles for TD's means less people are willing to be TD's.

Club funds should be for things like baskets and course improvements that individuals cant really pay for. Those are the things that keep the sport growing.

Are we voting now? :confused:

My point was....this is why people do not move up. CASH!!!! They win it in Am and lose it in Open.

See how easy it is to open this:

http://firstrung.co.uk/dbimgs/iStock_can%20of%20worms.jpg

:D

It always sounds like a bad idea no matter what you say here. How come there is always how this will not work or how tough this will be?



Because it gets really old working your can off to run minis and all you hear is whining or people throw out ideas but never step up. Experience has taught me to keep things simple when you are working with a group of diverse people and personalities. cash is simple, paying out discs is not. Now if someone is willing to take care of all the details as I used to do here, and willing to take the risk that they are stuck with plastic, then I have no problem with them reaping any financial gain from that. Doing all that work and putting the margin into a club fund to be shared by 99% of the people who play and do not work gets old quick. But if its a labor of love as it was for me at one time, then go for it. Or make sure everyone understands the margin is going in your pocket since you are doing all the work, fronting the cash and taking the risks. I'd have no problem with that either. I vote last cash steps up. ;)

or better yet if you win more than 3 times in a row you get bumped to open.. :D:p

Hey Brian hope Big D is treating well.

or better yet if you win more than 3 times in a row you get bumped to open.. :D:p

Hey Brian hope Big D is treating well.



I think that is how they do it now. If you win AM you are bumped to open and must stay there until you no longer cash.

It always sounds like a bad idea no matter what you say here. How come there is always how this will not work or how tough this will be?



Because it gets really old working your can off to run minis and all you hear is whining or people throw out ideas but never step up. Experience has taught me to keep things simple when you are working with a group of diverse people and personalities. cash is simple, paying out discs is not. Now if someone is willing to take care of all the details as I used to do here, and willing to take the risk that they are stuck with plastic, then I have no problem with them reaping any financial gain from that. Doing all that work and putting the margin into a club fund to be shared by 99% of the people who play and do not work gets old quick. But if its a labor of love as it was for me at one time, then go for it. Or make sure everyone understands the margin is going in your pocket since you are doing all the work, fronting the cash and taking the risks. I'd have no problem with that either. I vote last cash steps up. ;)



Who runs LODGA? I'm willing to step up and help out, I just don't know what the process is. By trade I am a Project Manager so I can hopefully bring those skills to the table as far as organization, communication, working with the city, presentations, putting dollar figure and return on investment on things like tourneys and new courses.

Also, big thanks to all those who help out with the San Antonio area disc community. I lived in Iowa for 22 years where disc is HUGE, I had 30-50 courses within 2 hours, &amp; organized leagues all over. I took that for granted. Then I lived in Phoenix for 6 years where there is a very small DG community, only a few courses with all but 2 being worthless. Now that I'm in Texas I love that I'm back into a place where disc golf is a big deal.

Off topic question:
Why do Live Oak and Universal City do such a great job of maintaining their courses but San Antonio's (w/Nani and McClain) are kept in reprehensible conditions? McClain has sooooooo much promise to be the top course in the area if it where maintained.

Rambling complete.

It always sounds like a bad idea no matter what you say here. How come there is always how this will not work or how tough this will be?



Because it gets really old working your can off to run minis and all you hear is whining or people throw out ideas but never step up. Experience has taught me to keep things simple when you are working with a group of diverse people and personalities. cash is simple, paying out discs is not. Now if someone is willing to take care of all the details as I used to do here, and willing to take the risk that they are stuck with plastic, then I have no problem with them reaping any financial gain from that. Doing all that work and putting the margin into a club fund to be shared by 99% of the people who play and do not work gets old quick. But if its a labor of love as it was for me at one time, then go for it. Or make sure everyone understands the margin is going in your pocket since you are doing all the work, fronting the cash and taking the risks. I'd have no problem with that either. I vote last cash steps up. ;)



Who runs LODGA? I'm willing to step up and help out, I just don't know what the process is. By trade I am a Project Manager so I can hopefully bring those skills to the table as far as organization, communication, working with the city, presentations, putting dollar figure and return on investment on things like tourneys and new courses.

Also, big thanks to all those who help out with the San Antonio area disc community. I lived in Iowa for 22 years where disc is HUGE, I had 30-50 courses within 2 hours, &amp; organized leagues all over. I took that for granted. Then I lived in Phoenix for 6 years where there is a very small DG community, only a few courses with all but 2 being worthless. Now that I'm in Texas I love that I'm back into a place where disc golf is a big deal.

Off topic question:
Why do Live Oak and Universal City do such a great job of maintaining their courses but San Antonio's (w/Nani and McClain) are kept in reprehensible conditions? McClain has sooooooo much promise to be the top course in the area if it where maintained.

Rambling complete.




Glad to hear some positive feedback. A little hard work never hurt anyone. Please keep in mind that LO and UC have one park........SA has many. Also, the need for DG in SA is new and on the rising. It is going to take some work by all of us to make them see that we love our courses, too. I can give you numbers to call for maintenance/mowing, if you relly want to step up. Bird and I (Shawn &amp; few others too) do what we can but, it takes perseverance. The constant rain doesn't help either. With a few days of dryness, I'll be talking to SA Parks soon. It's tedious but, I'm not giving up. :) Let me know if you can spare some time.

Glad to hear some positive feedback. A little hard work never hurt anyone. Please keep in mind that LO and UC have one park........SA has many. Also, the need for DG in SA is new and on the rising. It is going to take some work by all of us to make them see that we love our courses, too. I can give you numbers to call for maintenance/mowing, if you relly want to step up. Bird and I (Shawn &amp; few others too) do what we can but, it takes perseverance. The constant rain doesn't help either. With a few days of dryness, I'll be talking to SA Parks soon. It's tedious but, I'm not giving up. :) Let me know if you can spare some time.



I always have time, just not on Tuesday or Thursday nights ;).

It always sounds like a bad idea no matter what you say here. How come there is always how this will not work or how tough this will be?



Because it gets really old working your can off to run minis and all you hear is whining or people throw out ideas but never step up. Experience has taught me to keep things simple when you are working with a group of diverse people and personalities. cash is simple, paying out discs is not. Now if someone is willing to take care of all the details as I used to do here, and willing to take the risk that they are stuck with plastic, then I have no problem with them reaping any financial gain from that. Doing all that work and putting the margin into a club fund to be shared by 99% of the people who play and do not work gets old quick. But if its a labor of love as it was for me at one time, then go for it. Or make sure everyone understands the margin is going in your pocket since you are doing all the work, fronting the cash and taking the risks. I'd have no problem with that either. I vote last cash steps up. ;)



Like I said before...Dues paying or Not. We need to get organized and let the club run LODGA, Not Individuals. I'll put my name on a ballot. :eek:

F. The one people thing. When I make a late post. I still know I am just a disc golfer!

The people make the disc golf community.

Okay..........?

Im not gonna even start acting like Im still in highschool!

Spincerely,
A Man.
RT EVANS.

hello all...i'm new to the area and was just wondering what was the weekly schedule for the mini's?

hello all...i'm new to the area and was just wondering what was the weekly schedule for the mini's?



Universal City Park at 9:30 A.M. on Sundays (singles and after that doubles).

Universal City Park at 6:00 P.M. on Tuesdays (League). Sign up by 5:45.

Live Oak City Park at 6:00 P.M. on Thursdays (League). Sign up by 5:45.

I believe League is until time change. Make it out and meet some new discgolfers. :)

Oh, and I think we say Hello Ya'll in Texas. :D:)

Welcome Logan. The Sunday mini's average about 20 discer's.
I welcome the competition.
RT

Im not gonna even start acting like Im still in highschool!

Spincerely,
A Man.
RT EVANS.



You just did !!! :(

It is funny how some people who want to help out and get something going or step up and help, get tossed around like a sack of potatoes. But when it is time to get something done or something needs to be done, the ones who were tossing the sack of potatoes around start whinning and crying that nobody wants to help.

I know, it happened to me a couple of years ago and I quit fighting it. The only person around LO who needed help and asked and then treated the helpers with dignity was Chris.

I want to know this...
Who is in charge of LODGA?

Who has all of the 'so called' money?

and

Where is the accountability for the money? is it in a bank account, someones shoe box at home, a cookie jar, or a sock under the mattress? what will it be used for? when will it be used, what is the purpose?

Just some questions that I have never seen answered.

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Oh, and I think we say Hello Ya'll in Texas. :D:)



Being from NC, i definately use y'all as well. this isn't my first time in the south ;)

I hope that wasn't directed at me Paul. :eek:

adios

I think there is a need for the people who gave toward a club fund to have a say in how the money is spent. And I dont think anyone has spent club funds in an irresponsible way. I also think Brian and Big Bird should be reimbursed for the LOSO loss.

So while we may need some way of controlling the money, I think some people are getting all enamored with titles, and meetings, all sorts of [email protected] that doesnt accomplish anything except waste time.

All this does is divide us.

Oh, and welcome Logan. We normally have a good time playing our favorite sport.

(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)

alliance: a merging of efforts or interests by persons, families, states, or organizations. Why does there have to be SOMEONE IN CHARGE? And if y'all want to share in the LOSO losses we have suffered EVERY YEAR, give me a buzz. Loving Big "D", less drama, more golf.

How's that SA club coming along by the way? You know dues paying members and all. Anybody stepped up to run merch at the minis? Thought not. Talk is so cheap.



It's going good. You know the situation with McClain (not being mowed). The club is going to happen and not everything will fall into place right away. Thanks for asking. Again, same negativity. :( :( :( :(

Talk is cheap. I agree sir.
I Will post the next results as soon as I get the binder back from Mr. John Arick!

hello all...i'm new to the area and was just wondering what was the weekly schedule for the mini's?



Welcome to the area! Nice to see another discraft thrower around. Hopefully you can make it out to some minis. I like to play 4 or 5 days a week so hit me up on PM if you ever want to play. I check it regularly.

Who has all of the 'so called' money?

and

Where is the accountability for the money? is it in a bank account, someones shoe box at home, a cookie jar, or a sock under the mattress? what will it be used for? when will it be used, what is the purpose?

Just some questions that I have never seen answered.



I probably haven't contributed jack in the grand scheme of things but ... Here is a my list of things that the money can be spent on ... of course I'm new and don't know jack shaz ... just proposing some ideas to toss about.
1) New basket on #15 @ Univesal City. Mark my word ... if I hit an ace, the money I get from it will gladly be donated to replace that basket. It has screwed me too many times.
2) New signs at Live Oak, renumbering them with (2) 18 hole courses.
3) Saving the money to grow until there is enough to purcahse 9 baskets at a time for a new course.
4) Throw a mega disc golf, camping, party somewhere with lots of good food and beer and good people.

Im not gonna even start acting like Im still in highschool!

Spincerely,
A Man.
RT EVANS.



You just did !!! :(

It is funny how some people who want to help out and get something going or step up and help, get tossed around like a sack of potatoes. But when it is time to get something done or something needs to be done, the ones who were tossing the sack of potatoes around start whinning and crying that nobody wants to help.

I know, it happened to me a couple of years ago and I quit fighting it. The only person around LO who needed help and asked and then treated the helpers with dignity was Chris.

I want to know this...
Who is in charge of LODGA?

Who has all of the 'so called' money?

and

Where is the accountability for the money? is it in a bank account, someones shoe box at home, a cookie jar, or a sock under the mattress? what will it be used for? when will it be used, what is the purpose?

Just some questions that I have never seen answered.



Paul that doesnt mean you can come in here in post like a Little Girl, if you dont have a solution please dont add to the fire.

:o:D

YAH want a solution!
Everyone quit their belly acking.
LODGA is the club (no need for another)
Your cabinet should be RT, KEITH BAKER, LAURA/JIM, DAVE Mc.STACEY AND JAMES P.
Yah decide what postion they hold, open a bank account for the club with a few people having signature power.
These people decide on a agenda and the membership vote on agenda.

LODGA is the club (no need for another)
Your cabinet should be RT, KEITH BAKER, LAURA/JIM, DAVE Mc.STACEY AND JAMES P.
Yah decide what postion they hold, open a bank account for the club with a few people having signature power.
These people decide on a agenda and the membership vote on agenda.



I'm not tyring to belly ache, I'm just ignorant. :)
Who's in charge now?
Does the name Live Oak Disc Golf Alliance need to be changed? With McClain &amp; Nani &amp; another on the way San Antonio seems to be the big elephant in the room. They have more money and more parks and can ultimately lead to having more courses in the area. What about a name like the Alamo Disc Goilf Aliance or the THC (Texas Hill Country) disc Golf Club ot something like that.

Dont pick at that scab, it'll start bleeding again :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::eek: :(

Been there done that. It's (San Antonio Disc Club) going to happen. Let's just leave it at that. End this nonsense already, PLEASE. :(

Vinnie, I agree with you. All this fighting is tearing the club apart. Can't we all just get along and have fun! :cool::cool::cool:

In order for San Antonio Parks and Recreation to listen to our disc group, it needs to be something with San Antonio in the title. A united front of an oganized San Antonio Disc Golf club is the way to demonstrate to the powers that be that We are from here... Just my .02
Dr. Safety

In order for San Antonio Parks and Recreation to listen to our disc group, it needs to be something with San Antonio in the title. A united front of an oganized San Antonio Disc Golf club is the way to demonstrate to the powers that be that We are from here... Just my .02
Dr. Safety



Can I say, I agree with Dr. Safety here? :confused:

Never thought about that aspect.You bring up a valid point. I just hate to see people I care about arguing. If it takes a S. A. club to get the parks depot on the move then count me in!

Nobody has to choose one or the other. I want to support both Clubs and I don't see anything wrong with that. I love this sport and agree with you about all the "arguing". It's so not necessary.

I don't care what you call it
I don't care how much "dues" are
I don't care if there are "dues"
I don't even care if you argue
If you want the regins?
Take them.
If someone eles does?
Take them.
If all of you do?
Take them.

I don't care if there is 2 or 100 DG clubs in this neck of the woods. I just want to play golf. With out all the "he said", "she said".

:D(let me know when it's over so I can come out of my room.)

I have to agree with Vinnie's cabinet suggestion for LODGA. Although I think that a San Antonio club could be beneficial to the area. As long as it was a club that didn't compete with the dates of the other clubs in Texas per PDGA guidelines. I would also suggest that minis not compete for days. Maybe weekly events could become alternating biweekly.

Sorry Bird! I've been trying to keep my wise [censored] to myself but...

A lot of people are finally seeing this as a good thing, and most of our previous arguements are finally hitting home.

Krazy, vinnie, etc
The only political agenda we have is with the SAPAR not with LODGA. I am probably the newest member, joined in April, I would like to see it not only remain intact but grow. If RT, Keith, Jimbob,etc would like to take the reins and form a more unified front, I'm there! Need a Charter? I have one! Need by-laws? I'll help set them up! Need a volunteer with a blown out right knee? Check the "S" in the yellow pages I'm listed under "sucker". Anything that helps the sport I've fallen for whether its in LO, UC, SA, Scherz, Cibolo, Boerne---

****! I have fat fingers this morning, I didn't finish my post.

I made these offers to those involved with SADC and have contributed to them as well.

Presently no one is running minis on Saturday, Bird plans to run his on Saturday, while LO is run on Sundays. I wish I could play both days but I'm sure no one wants to see me there with a 4 year old and a 2 year old in tow. Saturdays on the other hand fit well especially since I haven't been able to play a mini in over a year. I'M STILL IN WITHDRAWAL PEOPLE!!

Maybe with a more unified front for SA maybe we can get Nani and Mclain mowed more often, working solo with the city doesn't work well, I know, I tried. I live within walking distance of Mclain, ok fence jumping disance, and have trouble playing it due to weeds and grass up to my [censored] ( bet that gets censored again).

My 4 cents since I had to post twice.

Nani is staying mowed. It gets a little high sometimes, but since the first of the summer when it got to be about 12 inches it has not gotten, the grass, over 6 inches. The one thing that the Nani DGC has going for it is that there is also a playground and practice ball fields out there. So when they get high, the cose gets mowed also. I don't think that McClain has the other fields and plus it is in a flood ditch. I know that ya'll are trying to be patient, but I aloso know that there are alot of creek bottoms out and around the city that has also not been mowed because the city is waiting for it to dry up. there was a tractor with a mower stuck in the large drainage canal behind the HEB near Nani up until a coupl of days ago. That area is also still not mowed. SAPAR is on board with the DG parks, give them time to assess the situations and get the kinks worked out. I believe it was a couple of months ago that it was wisely stated that 'give them a call' and be polite about it and not to have any negative vibes going in the direction of the SAPAR.

Hopefullly within the year we will have two more DGCourses to play when they finish Pearsall and Cibolo Creek.

Isn't this the mini's results page? What were they? I know I was dfl on thursday, but I would like to know how well everyone else did.

All we are doing this year is league summaries, not individual event results. Keith is in the process of rechecking his totals, and then I'll post an update.

Next year I plan to get it a little better organized and timely.

I ran into a good young kid today at the UC mini. Yall are missing out. This kid's project is custom Tee-sign's on each hole. For $25 you will sponsor the hole. I got hole 1! 3 other people sponsored hole's also!
Help the sport!
Good Karma! Gotta Love it!
Oh and I met Logan. That young man is a class act. Oh and he can play. Watch IT! :)

nice shooting tonight Rick the putter must be back?

I ran into a good young kid today at the UC mini. Yall are missing out. This kid's project is custom Tee-sign's on each hole. For $25 you will sponsor the hole. I got hole 1! 3 other people sponsored hole's also!
Help the sport!
Good Karma! Gotta Love it!
Oh and I met Logan. That young man is a class act. Oh and he can play. Watch IT! :)



Just to follow up on what RT said, the Eagle Scout will be there next Tueday and possibly this Sunday to solicit feedback and collect donations.

Nani is staying mowed. It gets a little high sometimes, but since the first of the summer when it got to be about 12 inches it has not gotten, the grass, over 6 inches. The one thing that the Nani DGC has going for it is that there is also a playground and practice ball fields out there. So when they get high, the cose gets mowed also. I don't think that McClain has the other fields and plus it is in a flood ditch. I know that ya'll are trying to be patient, but I aloso know that there are alot of creek bottoms out and around the city that has also not been mowed because the city is waiting for it to dry up. there was a tractor with a mower stuck in the large drainage canal behind the HEB near Nani up until a coupl of days ago. That area is also still not mowed. SAPAR is on board with the DG parks, give them time to assess the situations and get the kinks worked out. I believe it was a couple of months ago that it was wisely stated that 'give them a call' and be polite about it and not to have any negative vibes going in the direction of the SAPAR.

Hopefullly within the year we will have two more DGCourses to play when they finish Pearsall and Cibolo Creek.



it's not a question of SAPAR being unwilling to mow or maintain these parks... it's the weather and the lack of understanding or experience with DG courses. They are willing to work with local clubs and understand the maintenance standards needed to keep these courses playable but as stated above, we need to be positive when contacting them. I had a chance to meet with SAPAR again recently and they want to work with the local club to form an agreement and/or understanding about what needs to be done within the parks and what the club is willing to do. it's basically a lets help each other deal. It's important that we approach them with a unified front and not here and there if someone feels like calling about a problem... they want help with solutions as well. We should determine a 1 to 5 year plan for what we would like in these parks and then approach the city with what we are willing to do to help make things happen and maintain them and what we would want/need the city to do. Either way the city is looking for a stable organization to work with.

Perhaps we can all agree to an area club to represent area discgolfers and on paper have chapters that can have the city names and be used to approach the cities parks departments.
This way we can become a larger force for South Central Texas and yet each city would feel like they have a personalized club they can form a relationship with.

Everyone would be a part of the main club and support it while the individual chapters would simply be a name. No matter what we need a charter and some by-laws... something that helps deliver the message to these cities that we are organized and this isn't just a weekend hobby for us.

just a thought. :o

I keep hearing that we need to make sure we are positive when we call them. Has anyone been calling them and being negative? I know I called a few times about getting Nani mowed and they where really cool.

As for the maintenance agreement thing I think we need some sort of useage agreement similar to this (http://www.stillwater.org/cc091498/c98188.htm). But we also need to detail the what is required from mowing. I also think we need to outline the volume of people that are impacted by not mowing by showing stats on the number of average weekly users at UC and Live Oak. Of course I'm full of idea. When should we host a meeting to work out these ideas and form a plan? I can host it at my house and we could perhaps BBQ and plan and then drink and be merry.

Oh and I met Logan. That young man is a class act. Oh and he can play. Watch IT! :)



Haha thanks man, good shooting too. I hope to see you out tomorrow morning for the mini and what time does it start on sundays??

Start's @ 9:30. Meet at hole 10.
I probably won't be there got plan's.

I ran into a good young kid today at the UC mini. Yall are missing out. This kid's project is custom Tee-sign's on each hole. For $25 you will sponsor the hole. I got hole 1! 3 other people sponsored hole's also!
Help the sport!
Good Karma! Gotta Love it!
Oh and I met Logan. That young man is a class act. Oh and he can play. Watch IT! :)



Just a reminder that everyone's favorite eagle scout will be out at the course prior to the mini collecting donations on the tee signs.

I was just curious if anyone was gonna start a sat morning Mini in order to make up for the fact that there will be no weekday mini's after this week

I will be starting Saturday Mini's at Bryan McClain Park once it it is mowed completely (2-4 weeks). I will let everyone know for sure soon :)

That sounds great Bird! I'll be looking forward to those on weekends when there isn't a pdga in the area :)

so what is the new and improved mini schedule for the fall??

---&gt;Saturday singles:
starting on 10-20-07 at McClain, sign up by 9:00, 9:30 tee off.

---&gt;Saturday afternoon random draw doubles at Live Oak:
SIGN UP BY: 1:00 P.M TEE OFF: 1:30 P.M.
ENTRY FEE: $5.00 CTP: $1.00 (OPTIONAL) ACE POT: $1.00 OPTIONAL)
SIX WEEK SCHEDULE:
10-27-07 Week #1 Best Disc
11-03-07 Week #2 Alternating
11-10-07 Week#3 No Dubs Carlos� �Big Monthly Mini�
11-17-07 Week #4 Worst Shot
11-24-04 Week #5 Best Disc (Turkey Holiday Weekend)
12-01-07 Last &amp; Best Week#6 Let�s do all 3 formats
6 holes of each Best Disc, Alternating &amp; Worst Shot!!

---&gt;Sunday Singles:
U.C. Sign up by 9:15, tee off at 9:30

---&gt;Sunday doubles:
Time and place TBA, usually one hour after singles is over.

Thanks for the schedule!

Okay, I showed up for the UC Mini this morning and when I pulled up there was 1 other person there ready to play. There ended up being a total of 5 people and 0 TD's. :mad: I woke up early and drove over 20 miles to play the mini and to have a chance at that $300 Ace Pot (somewhere around there). There is always going to be someone showing up for the mini's no matter how bad the weather is. If you cannot be responsible enough to go out there every Sunday and run them then maybe you should give it to someone else. Or if you are not going to make it out, PLEASE post it on the message board or call someone who can post it for you.

I agree , I was the other person ready to play. Guys I've already said if you can't make it let me know, I will help you, John, has my # all you need to do is call. I will come get the stuff, meet you or whatever. This is why I feel we need to be an organized, dues paying,officer elected club. That way there is always someone to take up the slack, I don't know how Brian did it all those years. Pellman, Baby, Jim Bob, Houston, Chinger, Gator Putt, Joe M., Big Bird, Paul, Huey &amp; anyone else interested, lets do something, We've all learned no one can do it alone. Together &amp; with a strong alliance with the S. A. club we can do great things. THE TIME IS NOW!!!!!!! Love you guys, Jerry

My take is this:

Let's table the dues paying idea for now.

What we need to do is organize the minis. Set up a rotation of TD's so that it is not a never-ending obligation.

The club can make a lot of money at $1 per player, per mini. This needs to be put in a real bank account with real checks that require 2 signatures to prevent fraud. That means we need to have elected officers who are in charge.

Finally, there should be an incentive for people to contribute their time. I dont know what that incentive should be, but I'll bet we can come up with something.

One more thing: I like the idea of "charter members" vs regular members. A charter member's vote should count for more than someone who only shows up to play, and doesnt care to help out.

If we organize the minis correctly, we will have taken some big steps.

i can offer my services. with my promotion cames more time to get involved. my only issue is transportation. working on a car at the moment but if i'm needed i can find a way there on time.

Good to see this happening in LODGA. Great ideas.

I would be against raising the mini fees. How about do away with the CTP and keep the dollar for the club fund?

I think we can all see something needs to be done. I have no problem with your ideas dog, we just need to make sure we follow through. Glad to see you are on board :D:D:DThanks Mr. Paschal

The club can make a lot of money at $1 per player, per mini.



I could not believe when I found out that LODGA had no club funds. I thought the purpose of running minis was to build a club fund. Why else would you even run minis? :confused: No wonder no one showed up to run the Sunday mini. :( If you all need ideas from SADC don't be afraid to ask. :)

I was referring to last years league where $2 per player went to the club, which I think is too much.

I think next year for the league, we should shoot for around $10 for pro and $7 for am.

That sounds good.

I already donate every time I play.:DTo the winner!

Since I haven't made a mini all year no wonder there are no funds.

Seriously I don't have a problem with the 2.00 but if just a dollar less is incentive for more people to play then do it.

I need to take the TD test, but Ill help any other way possible.

I need to take the TD test, but Ill help any other way possible.



You can take it FREE through SADC. ;)

Cool, What do I need to do?

The club can make a lot of money at $1 per player, per mini.



I could not believe when I found out that LODGA had no club funds. I thought the purpose of running minis was to build a club fund. Why else would you even run minis? :confused: No wonder no one showed up to run the Sunday mini. :( If you all need ideas from SADC don't be afraid to ask. :)



Bird mini are not about making money, if that was the case then every club should be weathly. It's about building the future of Disc Golf and givig disc golfer a chance to home their skills and have competition with fellow discer's.
If you think mini are for making money then I think you need to look a little farther then your pocket book.
As far as attendance at LODGA mini's they are good. During spring and summer we have 3 mini's a week which is better then most organize Disc Golf Clubs. LODGA runs one of the biggest in best Tournement in the state, so when it comes to ideas I think maybe you need them worst then LODGA.
Bottom Line is if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. :o:D

Dave, Dave, Dave... You poor dillusional old man! What do you think happens to the extra funds raised during the LODGA minis? How much is left? No idea? Apparently neither does anyone else!! At the end, the extra funds just vanish. The idea is to let everyont that puts into the programs to know what/where they are going to be used. It's l time to open the books, get a plan together and keep the disc golf programs in the San Antonio area going strong.
Dr. Safety

What extra money, $1 goes to CTP, $1 goes to Ace Pot and the rest goes to pay out. Now the Leagues is a little different. :DAs a Disc Golfer I dont throw stone until I see other casting them hurting my fellow LODGA brothers and sisters then its my Family your missing with.

Dave, Dave, Dave... You poor dillusional old man! What do you think happens to the extra funds raised during the LODGA minis? How much is left? No idea? Apparently neither does anyone else!! At the end, the extra funds just vanish. The idea is to let everyont that puts into the programs to know what/where they are going to be used. It's l time to open the books, get a plan together and keep the disc golf programs in the San Antonio area going strong.
Dr. Safety



What have you done to be talking about LODGA Volunteers?
These people give of themselfs unselfishly. I know since I have been slighty involved (last 4 years) I have donate plastic, time to make new holes at UC and donated about $1000.00 and have nothing but thanks for our Volunteers who have giving their time and efforts through out the years. :o:DThanks again LODGA Volunteer's :D

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Bird mini are not about making money, if that was the case then every club should be weathly. It's about building the future of Disc Golf and givig disc golfer a chance to home their skills and have competition with fellow discer's.
If you think mini are for making money then I think you need to look a little farther then your pocket book.
As far as attendance at LODGA mini's they are good. During spring and summer we have 3 mini's a week which is better then most organize Disc Golf Clubs. LODGA runs one of the biggest in best Tournement in the state, so when it comes to ideas I think maybe you need them worst then LODGA.
Bottom Line is if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. :o:D

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First of all David....IT IS NOT FOR MY POCKET BOOK!!! :mad: Second, were you there for the LOSO 07 meeting? I asked how much club funds we had....$0.00 :( A club needs money to maintain courses, buy club merchandise and run PDGA Sanctioned Events. Nobody should have to pull money out of their own account to pay for Am payout prizes. :confused: You are sadly mistakened if you think club minis are not for making money. Not just for making money but that is the main reason. EVERY CLUB NEEDS IT!!! I still say get rid of the CTP and keep the $1.00 for the club.

Bird if you think that mini's are for making your club money maybe you are there for the wrong reason. Mini's are a place that a Disc Golfer can met other disc golf and to promote the sport. LOSO happen despite having no money and has happen every year since I been playing it's not the money that makes a club it the people. :D

McClain happen because of some Disc Golf that had a vision before you even got involved. You have form a club but if it wasnt for those disc golfers before you, you would be a club with no course. :o:D
Bird get off your High horse

Nonsense, I'm done replying.

Thanks I was tried of reading your horse hockey anyhow :D

Listen to mine then.............First off- WE are a club and it doesn't mean it belongs to Bird (so YOUR needs to be translated into OUR)! 2nd- don't recall you ever going out to a workday at McClain (that's if your interested in the future of disc golf and not the money) 3rd- it's not like LODGA discovered Disc Golf but, Disc Golf discovered clubs all over the world (which is fabulous and seems to work).

Re: the money issue.......give me a break........in wonderland they don't need money :Dbut, we are talking about an organization that puts back into Disc Golf purposes and not using club funds to payoff bad business decisions (not saying YOUR club does that......oh wait, I'm a LODGA member :o, I meant OUR club). I understand you may be set in your ways but, it's not like we brought up this subject (this time). Maybe, OUR club should vote! I've tried expressing my ideas at the LOSO meeting and nobody seemed to want to listen because why?.........I don't know and now here we are talking about the things other club members thought would be a good idea.

Change Happens............not necessarily the end of the world! :D

Look Stacey why do you add more fuel to a fire I guess you have your reasons.

you make statements like this:
I've tried expressing my ideas at the LOSO meeting and nobody seemed to want to listen because why?.........

Hmm let's see maybe because of statements like this:

Disc Golf purposes and not using club funds to payoff bad business decisions (not saying YOUR club does that......oh wait, I'm a LODGA member

3rd- it's not like LODGA discovered Disc Golf but, Disc Golf discovered clubs all over the world (which is fabulous and seems to work).

You are right there but it was LODGA that lobbying for years and then four young men from SA getting with their consolman who got SADC it's course.

And as far as LODGA short comings I have been there to help raise and give money, but that is what family does /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D.


UNITY IS POWER
COME LIVE IT
LODGA

Post the next mini results after this post. :)

Bird if you think that mini's are for making your club money maybe you are there for the wrong reason.



Dave, do you know where the club fund money is? and yes there are some club fund monies...


What extra money, $1 goes to CTP, $1 goes to Ace Pot and the rest goes to pay out.



Dave here is the breakdown of the entry fees for the minis this past year...$10 payout, $1 CTP, $1 Party Fund, $1 Ace Pot and $2 Club Fund. This was the OPEN entry. THe AM entry had the same funds of $1 CTP, $1 Party Fund, $1 Ace Pot and $2 Club Fund.

There was also club money from the Bag Tag sales that RT did....

Cost will be $15 a bagtag, the rest of the money can be used for coarse improvement's or go to the Club fund.


The last time I talked to RT he had the money and was waiting to give it to somebody to put in the 'club fund'.

If this is all correct or close to correct then there is alot of money out there somewhere....

League club fund monies...
20 weeks - approximately
2 mini's per week
20 - average players/week..maybe maybe not
$2 per entry fee
20 x 2 x 20 x 2 = $1600 - give or take some, I am not sure.

I am guessing at this but here goes, RT knows for sure..

Bag Tags....
50 bag tags @$15 each - $750
RT's cost of having them made - $7.50 x 50 - $375
total bag tags - $375

TOTAL club funds - $1600 + $375 = $1975
DO you have that money???

Nobody is whining about what is going on between you and Bird or you and the world, people are starting to ask questions about where is the money.

RT said back in the LODGA Bag Tag thread that we probably needed to be accountable as a club and get organized, Brian P, Jim, and others including me have said this on the discussion board. Others have said this at mini's.

I do not believe that LODGA should be a dues paying club, it hasn't yet, so why start. I do think that it needs to be organized.

And if you want to start on me with the phrase 'what have you done for LODGA?' don't go there. I was part of LODGA before YOU came onto the scene.

And by the way, LODGA was not the first club in the San Antonio area. When I started to play there was an ACDC ( Alamo City Discgolf Club) and they are the ones who are credited for working with Universal City in putting in that course. Where do you think those baskets came from but a course in San Antonio at Blossom Park.

Dave,

Don't get defensive about this post, it is just pure information.

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You brought up the topic of there not being any club funds, not me, I am just enlightening you about them.

I also just asked you if you knew where the club monies are? I did not call anybody a thief.


Talking about adding fuel to the fire **** your the Santa Anna Winds.


look in the mirrow as you type your next post


Why do you talk about that here and now?



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Are you trying to imply that I had something to do with missing money?

NO


I think you should get your fact correct and then maybe say something.

your typical response, when you are not sure of what else to say. You said this to me earlier in the summer and when I showed up at the next mini to find out what was going on concerning our conversation I found out from the others who were at the mini that you had not been at a mini to play in a couple of months. They ALL laughed at the situation when I asked them the concerning topic and they were laughing as they told me that you would come up riding on your morotcycle, wave, say something and then leave.


So who are you calling a theif or is this your way of being a disc golf promoter

answered above.

My last response to you.

Simmer!!!!!
At our minis: we charge a club dollar at all our minis.
A club needs funds!!!
We have a bank account with two people with check signing abilities.
The key is ensuring the membership knows how much is in the account and what money is used on.
I would be happy to school, settle, hold hands, wrestle or whatever it takes to get ROUND ROCK'S lil ;)sister :eek: club pointed in the right direction

My 2 cents from up North where Cowboys rule.

I also agree that club fund status should be publicly available. When I ran the league, the balances were posted every week. Every $ went to the award ceremony. Unfortunately, not everyone has internet access and can post this info. When you meet to discuss the league, make sure you appoint some one to keep the fund balances who has internet access. For accountability, this should probably be someone who is not one of the TDs and someone who you trust. Should be pretty easy... 30 players, you got 30 X whatever. Then create a finance committee that approves where the funds go.

When I ran Sundays, we never had anything going to the club fund. I hear that has changed, so that would need to be added to the total as well.

Life has moved me North, but my heart will always be in Live Oak. Don't break my heart. :D

Ive got a degree in Accounting, a wife who works for a CPA (free tax advice), and have internet access. The checkbook can easily be kept in Quicken, and reports generated for anyone who wants to look at them.

I do not need to be a check signer or a T.D.

so you can baby sit a couple of cry babies too. :o:D

I don't want to be a cry baby. I just want to see some accountability! When "B" ran things there were no questions, everything was open. I think Brian P. is a great person for the job!! As it is, except for a select few no one knows where, or for what the money is spent on. Just my thoughts.

Ive got a degree in Accounting, a wife who works for a CPA (free tax advice), and have internet access. The checkbook can easily be kept in Quicken, and reports generated for anyone who wants to look at them.

I do not need to be a check signer or a T.D.



I hereby nominate uPdoG for LODGA Treasurer. Can I get a second?

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Just how I thought you would react you point fingers at who ever you want without having all the facts. :o:D

Not again.....but seriously must we play these games. :( You don't have to like everyone but please give the clubs a chance. Forget about what he or she said, I heard this or that, wheres the money, etc;. LODGA and SADC are pretty much starting from scratch. Let's build it for US!!! Can't we all just get along?

I second your nomination.

Dave, why are you so against the efforts put forth to grow SADC? Is it a personal thing against one of the members? Are you fearful of LODGA losing steam? Are you just against changing things (if it ain't broke)?

If it's a personal thing against one of the members, keep that garbage off the golf course and off the MB.

If you're scared for the club, LODGA is the tightest, strongest club I've been a part of, and with the people who are following in Brian's footsteps, there is no doubt it will continue to get stronger.

I'm not trying to provoke anything, just genuinely curious why you go so out of your way to disagree with SADC.

If indeed your just curious why not just talk to me or pm me ? Why do you bring it here under UC mini's thread? Go figure :D

Okay, I showed up for the UC Mini this morning and when I pulled up there was 1 other person there ready to play. There ended up being a total of 5 people and 0 TD's. :mad: I woke up early and drove over 20 miles to play the mini and to have a chance at that $300 Ace Pot (somewhere around there). There is always going to be someone showing up for the mini's no matter how bad the weather is. If you cannot be responsible enough to go out there every Sunday and run them then maybe you should give it to someone else. Or if you are not going to make it out, PLEASE post it on the message board or call someone who can post it for you.



Well that makes it 2 weeks in a row that the TD has not shown up. Who is supposed to be running the UC Minis? Does anyone have their contact info so someone can call them? How are we supposed to do payout without the table? We need to do something about this very soon. Thanks to Phil M. for stepping up and running it.

Yes thank you Phil and Brain and I cant believe I'm saying this But Big Thanks to Rick Gaskill too. Without the combine effort of these three the mini my not have gone off.

Okay, I showed up for the UC Mini this morning and when I pulled up there was 1 other person there ready to play. There ended up being a total of 5 people and 0 TD's. :mad: I woke up early and drove over 20 miles to play the mini and to have a chance at that $300 Ace Pot (somewhere around there). There is always going to be someone showing up for the mini's no matter how bad the weather is. If you cannot be responsible enough to go out there every Sunday and run them then maybe you should give it to someone else. Or if you are not going to make it out, PLEASE post it on the message board or call someone who can post it for you.



Well that makes it 2 weeks in a row that the TD has not shown up. Who is supposed to be running the UC Minis? Does anyone have their contact info so someone can call them? How are we supposed to do payout without the table? We need to do something about this very soon. Thanks to Phil M. for stepping up and running it.



Why do you choose to ask here why dont you as a Club memember ask Carlso or John you have there numbers and you know they dont come on line so why here why not the telephone. All memember have fellow memembers contact infro that is why we have a web page. Or is this your way for promoting our club LODGA if so I dont think its working

I think someone who is willing to take over running the minis should call them. I already run saturday minis and can't commit to sundays. I don't know they don't come on line. I think MoKickYo is Carlos' user name. There are many people that read the discussion board and don't post on them. I am not going to call them!!!

This is not my way of Promoting LODGA, it's my way of saying how unorganized our club is. :(

Why have someone take over? Carlos thought it was cover and he was moving into his New Home. John was suppose to run it today and maybe something came up beyond his control.

As far as the Ace Pot goes it was hit 2 weeks ago and he collected $300.00. by Robert G. :DThanks for understanding Bird let shoot the Volenteers who give unselfishly of themself :D.

On the Bright side we had 27 players show up in enjoy themselfs :DI think we disorginize group of Disc Golfers had more Am's show up then McClain had total for their mini oops I'm a memeber of SADC :D

Why do you insist on comparing the two clubs ALL THE TIME??? Seems like you knew enough info on the TD's, why didn't you run it? Like you said ALL LODGA Members have everyones info, if something came up why didn't the call someone. Here's what I'm going to do. I will make payout tables for $10.00 Payout (Pro) and $5.00 Payout (Am)? Is that correct? I will print out copies and bring them to next weeks mini. Anyone who wants one can get one so when this happens again we won't be so confused. :confused:

Why do you insist on comparing the two clubs ALL THE TIME???

Because we are a Alliance read LODGA Charter

Seems like you knew enough info on the TD's, why didn't you run it?

Because we Had three LODGA Memeber's step up and a fourth we have been usless.

Like you sid ALL LODGA Members have everyones info, if something came up why didn't the call someone.

Arent you a LODGA memeber too?

Here's what I'm going to do. I will make payout tables for $10.00 Payout (Pro) and $5.00 Payout (Am)? Is that correct? I will print out copies and bring them to next weeks mini. Anyone who wants one can get one so when this happens again we won't be so confused. :confused:



Thanks Bird see the alliance comes together and gets things workout Thanks again Bird for stepping up for Our Club.

All memember have fellow memembers contact infro that is why we have a web page.



This is not entirely true.
I've been a LODGA member since April and my name and contact info isn't listed. I doubt seriously if Brians phone number is still in the 210 area code.
Brian has asked if anyone was willing to take over. Out of respect for established members, as the rookie, I refrained from jumping in. Now if no one has any reasons on why I should refrain I'll contact Brian and work on setting the web page right. Ooops I forgot to mention most of the links are corrupt also. I'll be out of town all week at a geek seminar. So everyone think it over, if there are no objections I will contact Brian when I return Sunday.

I just posted on the other thread about the mini. What i said there applies here also.

Communication!!!! It�s a killer every time.
It is hard for any 2 people to keep a mini consistent.
It is easy enough.....or so it is for us.......If LALA, EDMAN, WARE, KEITH (people responsible for the minis) can't plan it with each other to run it, a call is made to a regular......EASY!
I would like to propose to your area clubs an opportunity to be a part of our monthly newsletter (starting Jan.1) I write and make some hard copies for Wednesday night at the ROCK. But it gets emailed in Word format to a distribution list.
IF someone in the SA area will take the ball to provide me information on the on-goings down there. I will dedicate a page for yah. This will give us something to laugh at and yah can see how a REAL club acts (insert just kidding face) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Let me know

Anyone know if there is gonna be a mini at UC tomorrow? (sunday the 6th)

I do. :D

9:15

Great mini turn out 32 for singles and 19 for doubles, what a great weekend for disc Golf. Aint knowing like South Texas Winters. :D