Alright, I'm bored. No golf in sight, and it's almost December.
I'm really excited about this upcoming (next, for me) event. Any info yet? I seem to remember registration opening right around New Year's and filling FAST.
Thanx for anything you can shed light on. Bring on da rollers!

It is about time a thread gets going on this...is anyone playing the Thrill at Fountain Hill? I was thinking about playing it considering Southwest has the $54 fun fare thing going.

Are there pictures for these courses? Im too lazy to look for them...

How expensive is this trip(besides airfare)? Isn't the hotel and course very close to each other?

I want to go BAD! but I'm not sure if I can afford it. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.


I want to leave a few feet of snow to play golf in shorts. Is that too much to ask? :D

Right across the street.

Are there pictures for these courses? Im too lazy to look for them...



Fountain Hills:

http://www.fh.az.gov/ParksRec/Parks/Fountain/fountain_flyby.jpg

How expensive is this trip(besides airfare)? Isn't the hotel and course very close to each other?

I want to go BAD! but I'm not sure if I can afford it. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.


I want to leave a few feet of snow to play golf in shorts. Is that too much to ask? :D



Last year we got a deal through Orbitz where two of us paid $600 each for airfare, rental car & hotel for 8 days & 7 nights. I think I probably spent about a grand on the whole trip, but we were there all week. We stayed pretty far away from the course (20 min.) because of the deal we got. As I remeber, the host hotel is pretty expensive. Fountain Hills is a haul from Shelly Sharpe too, so staying at he host hotel doesn't really mean you don't need a rental. It was like 13 degrees when we left Cincinnati. It was sunny & 75 when we got into AZ. There's nothing like pulling the rental over to change into warm weather gear!

wow that place looks awesome. maybe i can figure out a way to miss school and make this tourney, my dad's cousin lives in fountain hills so i would have a free place to stay.

Soo lots of water shots? Thats pretty expensive...itll be a tough decision between that and Cancun for Spring Break. :confused:

How expensive is this trip(besides airfare)? Isn't the hotel and course very close to each other?




the old host hotel (right across the street) has been sold as closed down now...no word on if it will be open before the event as it has been closed with nothing going on for about 6 months now...still plenty of options all aroundphoenix/scottsdale for hotels...but book now/early as it is also during spring training and room rates go up and disappear pretty quick as it gets closer..

fountain course looks nothing like it was when last played 3 :( years ago...it has alot of other things on the grounds but dan should have enough space to make a course on..

3 day vegas and memorial tournaments in 8 days....
i may just have to unretire for those! :D

Soo lots of water shots? Thats pretty expensive...itll be a tough decision between that and Cancun for Spring Break. :confused:



Yea, but we were there for 8 days. We went to the Grand Canyon, Red Rocks, played the courses in Flagstaff & played many more around Phoenix. You should be able to make it much cheaper for 4 days.

Alright, I'm bored. No golf in sight, and it's almost December.
I'm really excited about this upcoming (next, for me) event. Any info yet? I seem to remember registration opening right around New Year's and filling FAST.
Thanx for anything you can shed light on. Bring on da rollers!



dan posted the forms and sponsor forms on the az yahoo group pages last night....
i would imagine that he/someone will post the same info here eventually

This event is a MUST PLAY for anyone looking for a great party and great competition!!! I have played the last 2 years and will do everything in my power to play this tournament every year for the rest of my disc golf career!!!

I cant wait to play the Fountain Hills course in a tournament. Played a doubles round there last year with Climo and Hammock the Monday after the tournament was over and it was a pretty sweet course. Cant wait to see what it looks like this year!!!

Looking forward to playing my last year of AM at the Memorial :D

we've heard THAT before :D

The Fountain course has changed considerably and you may not be in the water as much. However the layout will be lengthened for the tournament and I�m sure the water will come into play but perhaps not as bad as years past. If you can throw accurately then you will not have to worry about the water holes anyway. A rumor going around is that dano is going to incorporate hay bales to limit the use of rollers on some holes at vista.

A rumor going around is that dano is going to incorporate hay bales to limit the use of rollers on some holes at vista.


What? Why? Is he going to institute height-restricting mandys to limit thumbers also?

The extra OB does a pretty decent job of putting more risk into the roller already.

What? Why? Is he going to institute height-restricting mandys to limit thumbers also?



No you guys already have the 2 meter rule for that :eek:

Shut his computer off, Rhett. You're in charge now. :D

j/k

I just checked the Coyote's schedule and they are playing the Stars on the 2nd and the PINKWings on the 4th. I am going to check into tickets for the game on the 2nd!!

Hey jackie smalls or Keith, want to put me up for this event? I'll probably be driving out to Boulder the week before, might just keep on driving and play the Memorial. I hear it's a pretty good event :)

So what are the official dates for this tourney? Does anyone know?

The Memorial Pro NT* Scottsdale, AZ Fri-Sun, Mar 3-5, 2006

Thank you.

your welcome

Aleksey...DO IT!!!! :D

So I know this tourney fills fast. Are we talking by the end of December fast or more like end of January fast?

And will it be all at once start or stagered start times?

Tee Times all three days which is why i freakin LOVE THIS TOURNAMENT SO MUCH!!! Dan and crew do an amazing job and if you have the money and time you should hit this event every year if you can. I know I will be doing everything in my power to play this one every year for the rest of my disc golf career!!!

Cant wait to see you guys in Phoenix and get out of this freakin snow we are having!!! We are supposed to get 8 inches by tomorrow morning and its midnight right now :mad::mad::mad:

looking like I got a good chance at making it!

I plan on doing really poorly, since I will have been following my strict winter training of playing 1 snow round every 2 weeks.

Current Conditions
Updated: 12:53 PM MST on December 09, 2005

Scottsdale: 67�
Clear
Wind: Calm
Dew Point: 11 �F
Pressure: 30.09 in
Humidity: 11%
Visibility: 10.0 miles

Where can I get an application ? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Current Conditions
Updated: 12:53 PM MST on December 09, 2005

Scottsdale: 67�
Clear
Wind: Calm
Dew Point: 11 �F
Pressure: 30.09 in
Humidity: 11%
Visibility: 10.0 miles



I hate you.

NY- 30 degrees, breezy, and about 4 inches of snow today.

We broke into double digits today at 30 degrees for the first time since Monday, supposed to hit 42 tomorrow! Still have most of the 4" snow, but it won't stop us from getting out tomorrow for 9AM Winter Warrior doubles, pre-Ice Bowl fundraiser. Played in an inch or so last Saturday. But I wouldn't trade it for your 100+ temps for 3 months. :cool:
I'll reply back in July when we're sitting in the 80's and you can barely get out of the house.

hope to see you in March,
-mikew

seriously...do I need to break into X-mas cash to sign up, or can it wait until January? thx

I just checked the Coyote's schedule and they are playing the Stars on the 2nd and the PINKWings on the 4th. I am going to check into tickets for the game on the 2nd!!



So you wanna put money on who's gonna win the Red Wings game? :D:D:D

MK

Current Conditions
Updated: 12:53 PM MST on December 09, 2005

Scottsdale: 67�
Clear
Wind: Calm
Dew Point: 11 �F
Pressure: 30.09 in
Humidity: 11%
Visibility: 10.0 miles



I hate you.

NY- 30 degrees, breezy, and about 4 inches of snow today.



Arizona is nice and dry in the wintertime. Excellent place to play with the coolest folks around !!!! :D

I just checked the Coyote's schedule and they are playing the Stars on the 2nd and the PINKWings on the 4th. I am going to check into tickets for the game on the 2nd!!



I'd love to get a couple tickets to that game!

Where can I get an application ? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Here you go Donny! See you there :cool:

http://memorial2006.disqman.com/

Where can I get an application ? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Here you go Donny! See you there :cool:

http://memorial2006.disqman.com/



Got it !!!! Thanks Tanner !!!!! :D

I just checked the Coyote's schedule and they are playing the Stars on the 2nd and the PINKWings on the 4th. I am going to check into tickets for the game on the 2nd!!







im gettin tickets for that one! if anyone is interested let me know!

ill be there.... in my shiney red and white jersey!

I will be going to the Stars game and maybe the PINKwings game. As for my predictions, Stars of course in the first game, and Coyotes in the second game for sure! :D:D:D

Who wants to go to the Stars game? Let me know.

I've heard from Danny that he has about 50 entries or more already. My recommendation, since this usually entails airline reservations and hotels is to register as soon as you can. Danny has turned people away from this tournament every year recently.

Anyone heard about the new possible format for Vista. He may be changing it to 18 holes in the same land. MONSTER COURSE! I think he wants to hold a monthly there to check flow so if he does you can bet I'll be there to check it out!

we went online and got in the same hotel for $ 87.20 with a dulux king,saved 12.00 a night by not going with the tournament package /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
sending in my reg. today,can't wait to play the new course at F.H. :D

THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE NEW 3 PALMS FORMALLY INN SUITES :(

Don't stay there. They require visitors to pay for the first night in advance BEFORE seeing the room.
I checked IN and OUT of the hotel within 10 MINUTES because the room was in serious disrepair. They refused to give me a receipt or refund. Pieces of the wall and furniture were missing, holes in the carpet, the bathroom was beyond disgusting with cracks, etc. I filed a complaint July 8, 2005 with the Better Business Bureau, Arizona

thanks for the heads up /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We stayed in a hotel five minutes from fountain last saturday, and I believe it was the Comfort Suites for 110 a night. That included two queen size beds. The course was awesome and the weather was in the 60's. Check out YoDuhs website they have some sick shots of the course. Here is what your looking at for the Memorial. Two months!!!

http://www.yoduhdiscgolf.com/updates/2005/12/my_fountain_is_bigger_than_you.html YoDuh Disc Golf (http://www.yoduhdiscgolf.com/updates/2005/12/my_fountain_is_bigger_than_you.html)

THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE NEW 3 PALMS FORMALLY INN SUITES :(

Don't stay there. They require visitors to pay for the first night in advance BEFORE seeing the room.
I checked IN and OUT of the hotel within 10 MINUTES because the room was in serious disrepair. They refused to give me a receipt or refund. Pieces of the wall and furniture were missing, holes in the carpet, the bathroom was beyond disgusting with cracks, etc. I filed a complaint July 8, 2005 with the Better Business Bureau, Arizona



NEW tourney Hotel is at the Extended Stay-Executive Suites NOT at the NEW 3 PALMS (To expensive)

Im not sure where to find the info......

I also heard that rumor of the Vista Course being turned into a MONSTER 18 instead of 24...........that just makes more opportunitys to go OB on a sidewalk or something.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D:D

Cant wait........

THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE NEW 3 PALMS FORMALLY INN SUITES :(

Don't stay there. They require visitors to pay for the first night in advance BEFORE seeing the room.
I checked IN and OUT of the hotel within 10 MINUTES because the room was in serious disrepair. They refused to give me a receipt or refund. Pieces of the wall and furniture were missing, holes in the carpet, the bathroom was beyond disgusting with cracks, etc. I filed a complaint July 8, 2005 with the Better Business Bureau, Arizona



NEW tourney Hotel is at the Extended Stay-Executive Suites NOT at the NEW 3 PALMS (To expensive)




i know i just thought i'd post this review incase anyone was thinking of staying there.

Anything on priceline close ?

I heard they aren't using the fountain....again.

Is there any official word on Fountain Hills? :confused:

The Fountain is back! A redesigned Fountain Hills course will be played in the Memorial this year. The new course plays in the reverse direction of the old course. :D

I heard they aren't using the fountain....again.

Is there any official word on Fountain Hills? :confused:



According to Dano(as of 1st weekend in Dec)

The Fountain is IN...As stated, It will play in Reverse of previous years, AND will most likely get strethched depending on the amount of extra space provided.....

Rumor has it that Vista will ALSO be strecthed to 18 holes within the old 24.. :eek: :D

:cool:

Signed up this morning...

Signed up this morning...



Side Bet??
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

I don't think it gets better than a shut-out, so no :D

I don't think it gets better than a shut-out, so no :D



Oh, Thats right......"I dont side-bet, I messes with my head"
:p

Hear that Donny hes "askeerd" of a Masters player /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Oh, Thats right......"I dont side-bet, I messes with my head"




That's funny...Let's see, we've made 2 sidebets; the first was whoever has the highest overall player rating by the end of the year gets a Sparkle Tsunami (Please mail me a <font color="blue"> blue </font> one 172+), and head-to-head at the 2005 Southwestern Team Tourney (http://morleyfield.com/team2005/) for smack talking rights (You lost your right to talk ish after I smoked you 7-0 in match play, plus I had you in dormie after the first 8 holes). /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Oh, Thats right......"I dont side-bet, I messes with my head"




That's funny...Let's see, we've made 2 sidebets; the first was whoever has the highest overall player rating by the end of the year gets a Sparkle Tsunami (Please mail be a <font color="blue"> blue </font> one 172+) <font color="blue"> Ill bring that to you at the Memorial, your just lucky ALL those early rounds used when I was playing with a Broken finger are still there :p</font> , and head-to-head at the 2005 Southwestern Team Tourney (http://morleyfield.com/team2005/) for smack talking rights (You lost your right to talk ish after I smoked you 7-0 in match play, plus I had you in dormie after the first 8 holes). /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <font color="blue"> Sure you earned the right to talk trash, doesnt mean took away my right, never will. Dont forget, Im "experienced" :D</font>



At least you have enough sack to play OPEN, unlike DiscPimple or what ever the Bagger goes by these days... :eek:
:D

Hey Mike ,

Yea , it's nice to see guy's step up to the next division.

I hope to make the Memorial in AZ. Dan O does a great job for all the players !!!!!! :D

I'm there!

Along with the rest of the SD wrecking crew.

wootah

At least you have enough sack to play OPEN, unlike DiscPimple or what ever the Bagger goes by these days...


:eek: :eek: :eek:

Hey I resemble that remark

Yes but in what division?

Yes but in what division?

Women's recreational

Yes but in what division?

Women's recreational




LMFAO!!! Ill be down in the lowly Advanced division for 1 last year but may play Open at The Memorial and DGLO seeing as I won them last year :D

I would hope so...would they even let you play AM1 again?

Woo-Hoo.. :DIts Memorial Smack Talk time!! :p
HellYer members will attend. I've been dreaming about the fountain.

Millz you BAGGER!!! Hopefully I can make it to the Memorial to give you an OKIE AZZZZZZ Kickin'!!!! :p That will just be a taste of things to come when you make the trip to Tulsa for WORLDS!!!! :cool:

Millz you BAGGER!!! Hopefully I can make it to the Memorial to give you an OKIE AZZZZZZ Kickin'!!!! :p That will just be a taste of things to come when you make the trip to Tulsa for WORLDS!!!! :cool:

Yeah billy will be lovin those courses in Scottsdale

Whats up Matt, when you comin back to OKie land???

I am going to a few events in Dallas so unless there is something coming up in OK that is as close as I will get. :D

Millz you BAGGER!!! Hopefully I can make it to the Memorial to give you an OKIE AZZZZZZ Kickin'!!!! That will just be a taste of things to come when you make the trip to Tulsa for WORLDS!!!!



Bring it on!!! I was hoping for some competition when I go for my REPEAT in AZ. Hopefully there will be some solid competition the weekend before in Vegas as well :D

Cant wait to get this season going!!!

I wonder if I shou petititon for my AM status so I could go kick you Arse too. :o

I wonder if I shou petititon for my AM status so I could go kick you Arse too. :o



BRING IT ON!!! :D

Dude you just need to worry about Billy. He would've kicked my arse in Ok had I played ADV. Actually a lot of people would've. :D

Dude you just need to worry about Billy. He would've kicked my arse in Ok had I played ADV. Actually a lot of people would've. :D



Im not worried about anyone :D:D:D Id rather play against good competition then against a bunch of chumps!!! I just hope we get put on the same card in AZ if he decides to go :D

Well if you both play good you will be on the same card. Hey billy when are you moving up?

Dude you just need to worry about Billy. He would've kicked my arse in Ok had I played ADV. Actually a lot of people would've. :D



It doesnt help when your hand gets mangled by someones dog Matt....it was fun gettin to play with you that Fri. during dubs, you've got game FOOL.......I'm movin up right after worlds!!

Dude you just need to worry about Billy. He would've kicked my arse in Ok had I played ADV. Actually a lot of people would've. :D



It doesnt help when your hand gets mangled by someones dog Matt....it was fun gettin to play with you that Fri. during dubs, you've got game FOOL.......I'm movin up right after worlds!!



Yeah I was driving well and hitting a few long putts but when it came down to the <25ft putt it was ugly. Good thing chris is a REALLY good putter. :DI'll try to make it back up to OK soon because you have some pretty sweet courses.

>just makes more opportunitys to go OB on a sidewalk or something.... <


or something.....like yellow ROPE!!!

Yes Scottsdale will be a 18 hole par 64 or 65. Some of the hole changes will be...hole A(17) to hole C(18) (par 5) with yellow rope to the left, narrowing the first 450' up to the bottle neck. Hole 2 to hole 3 with rope to the left, mando still on the right. Hole 6 to 8, (instead of 7 to 8), same OB, omit hole 10, 12 to long 13, 14 to long 15, hole 17 to short hole 2 with rope ob to the left. Played this layout with Dano and it worked well. There may be some other changes, but Dan seemed to like it.

The Fountain does play in reverse, but with some tweaking it really is turning out to be as fun if not more so than the original course. Also the Fountain gave the final ok for t-boxes and the word I have is that they should be in by the Memorial.

Hope to see everyone. The '06 Memorial is shaping up to be one of the best with the return of the Fountain, and in my opinion, the hardest courses yet!!

Thanks for the update, the course sounds like it will be playing tougher than ever. I heard a rumor about hay bails being brought in to make rollers more difficult, is this true?

Wish I could make it this year :(

Man I cant wait to get out there. I havent played in FOREVER but I have been keeping the arm going by throwing about 30 drives a day into our golf net in the basement and putting anywhere from 100-500 putts a day so I should be ready after a couple days of practice in the warm weather :D:D:D

Cant wait to start another disc golf season with a trip to Vegas and Phoenix.

See you guys in a couple months :cool:

no hay bails. The only time dan was thinking about hay bails was only on hole 1 on the edge next to the water.

Cool !!!!! Had to quote ya here Russ , " Also the Fountain gave the final ok for t-boxes and the word I have is that they should be in by the Memorial."

I like the Fountain course. :D

believe me the fountain needs them. The only thing I don't like about the new layout is some of the t-boxes are not currently on flat ground. If for some reason we don't get them in by the Memorial, we will move some to better ground.

Great job Russ !!!!! I know you guys will do it right !!!!

That is such a cool course to play as well as Vista Del Camino ( some folks still call that course " Shelly Sharp" ).

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Desmond Knibbs\My Documents\My Pictures\Helley pics basket\ContestPicture.jpg
I am so ready...

<center><font face="impact" size="+10">6|9
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Is the open division playing 2 rounds in fountain hills? I'd rather stay out there if that's the case.

<center><font face="impact" size="+10"> I'm all in...6|9
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Is the open division playing 2 rounds in fountain hills? I'd rather stay out there if that's the case.



Pros will play 2 rounds at Vista. Friday and Sunday.

Russel

will the web site be fully updated by the end of the day ?

Thanks Russel. I'm counting that as "official" ;)

How early will this puppy fill up?

Deano...

Hi Jack,

Dan said that he will update the players list in the next few days, but beside that, what info were you looking for? Tee times won't come for awhile, but on the disqman site, even though it's under construction, you still can get the schedule of events, and registration/hotel info

How early will this puppy fill up?

Deano...





We urge everyone to have their entries in by the end of January. We hold 24 tour spots for up to 14 days before the event, but that can fill up by the 1st week of feb.. Last year the tour spots that we had to hold were gone by 21 days before the event. This year it will be a little better with the Fountain course being used. We should be able to take on another 100 players or so than last year. We still will have to cut off registration within 2 weeks of the event so that we can organize tee times and have the answer to the most asked question by the last week before the event, "when are tee times going to be posted?". We already have around 90 people signed up, with about 8 being Tour Players.

Russel
just wanted to see whos in so far, as i know from the past Dano will probably tweak the format two or three times.I can only hope that the one thing that won't change, is that the ams will get to play the fountain twice.Couldn't make it last year due to getting married so close to the tournament, as you can guess all are resources were going to pay for the wedding.This year i'll be bringing my wife with me and she is really looking forward to going as well as i'am,see you there.

Sorry to hear about the wedding.....just kidding...congrats. Dan will not be changing the schedule at this point. The Fountain is secure, so that problem will not be there this year to force any changes. The only thing that we will tweak now will be some holes and tees and that's it. We are really prepared this year compared to most, and I think we will take it up another level once again.

Wow...................with both Vista and Fountain...........is it possible to have , almost 250 players ?

Wow...................with both Vista and Fountain...........is it possible to have , almost 250 players ?



Try 400 total players. That's the number Dan is thinking. I can't imagine 200 total pros, but it could exceed that. Last year the Masters had about 35 players. I wouldn't be surprised to see a masters field around 50-60 players this year. Maybe around 20 grands. Open around 120-130.

Wow...................with both Vista and Fountain...........is it possible to have , almost 250 players ?



Try 400 total players. That's the number Dan is thinking. I can't imagine 200 total pros, but it could exceed that. Last year the Masters had about 35 players. I wouldn't be surprised to see a masters field around 50-60 players this year. Maybe around 20 grands. Open around 120-130.



What ? 50-60 Masters !!!!! I'd better get my entry fee in !!!!!

Is there a pre-reg list anywhere?

www.memorial2006.disqman.com (http://www.memorial2006.disqman.com)

Thanks TFO. :D

Can someone tell me where doubles will be? Vista or fountain? Also is Dukes Bar near Vista course?

Thanks.....Deano

Happy New Year Champ!! :cool:If I'm not mistaken Dukes is literally right next to the Vista course, if my boys weren't playing basketball I'd be there. Are you going to tour some more in 2006?

Thanks Matt! I hope to hit about 12-15 this year. I think I went to about 16 last year. Hope to see ya a few times this year!

How about them Giants! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Deano..

Can someone tell me where doubles will be? Vista or fountain? Also is Dukes Bar near Vista course?

Thanks.....Deano



looks like doubles will be at Vista and Dukes is right next to teepad 12,it's where everyone hangs out before and after the round.Trust me you won't be able to miss it. :D

That hurt Deano, :eek: but the Mets are looking promising this year, could be end of the 14 year run for those poor Braves :cool:

My goal is to attend Worlds again, Masters this year ;), and qualify for USDGC. :D

That hurt Deano, :eek: but the Mets are looking promising this year, could be end of the 14 year run for those poor Braves :cool:

My goal is to attend Worlds again, Masters this year ;), and qualify for USDGC. :D



Hey Matt, why are the Jets and Mets still named the NY ... shouldn't they be like the Nets the NJ...?

I have the same goals by the way.

the Mets are looking promising this year


They are a lot better at looking promising than they are at showing any promise ..... poor mets :(

Hey don't pile on :confused: , every team has a chance in January :cool:

Nick the Eagles/Phillies blow and JDB is a stinky Yankee fan /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Nick understands, but Johnny is too young to remember when the yank-me's were bad, Horace Clarke bad :D

Matt, hope to see ya at both Worlds and USDGC.

Maybe some of them Redsox (ship jumpers) will be playing at Shea this year.

Is Edwards going to KC you think?

<font color="blue"> LETS GO METS GO! </font>

Can you guys please take your Football / Baseball drift somewhere else.

Go Padres...Go Chargers.

I said please :p

The Padres have been making some decent player acquisitions, and the Chargers look solid for next year...What do you think?

i think your disrespecting my request to keep this a thread about the Memorial, thats what i think

I think we are on the eve of a new era of the message board. Going to members-only has not really changed things much.

Anyone have something to share about Bob West? I know Wil but I never met Bob.

i think your disrespecting my request to keep this a thread about the Memorial, thats what i think



I get insulted by your lack of proper spelling and grammar...Do I cry about it?

I think we are on the eve of a new era of the message board. Going to members-only has not really changed things much.



Just wait til next month when it becomes "current paying members" only.

The tourniments original name was"The Bob West Memorial " to pay homage to Bob West,but a few years back Dano decided to change the name to " The Memorial " to be a tourniment to look back and honor all who have passed on in disc golf

See, I would have guessed 'marketing'; thanks for the word.

Post deleted by the forgiven one

Please don't get mad about a little shout out to someone I haven't talked to in almost a year. :(

People know this thread is about the Memorial,and most will not drag on about a off-post chat.

There,now back to our regularly scheduled thread! :D

Will I get in trouble if I bring up pre-season baseball in Scottsdale :o Good grief, lighten up a little bit the tournament is still 2 months away.

no because going to spring training games after the round is half the fun of this tourniment Mr. Conners :D

I agree, it's so much fun out there in March.

Have fun in AZ forgiven one and don't forget your shades :cool::cool:

Can you guys please take your Football / Baseball drift somewhere else.



You can't talk to the world champ like that! :o

Ithought Nate Doss was the world champ :D

The tourniments original name was"The Bob West Memorial " to pay homage to Bob West,but a few years back Dano decided to change the name to " The Memorial " to be a tourniment to look back and honor all who have passed on in disc golf


If anyone has any Bob West, Brent Hambrick, Steve Killian, Paul Giles, et al, anecodes to share, this would be an apt time; and I'm not asking again.

Go Cubbies! :D

Will I get in trouble if I bring up pre-season baseball in Scottsdale :o



Hey, dont forget about the World Baseball Classic..there will be games going on in the Phoenix area on March 3-5... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

NHL Hockey is way more entertaining than spring training baseball.

Go Wings!

For christmas, I got round trip airfare from the girlfriend to the Memorial. Pretty fricken stoked.

Sent my entry in Saturday! There are at at least three Bama golfers coming to the Memorial! Looking forward to some warm weather! :cool:

NHL Hockey is way more entertaining than spring training baseball.

Go Wings!



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif NOT Spring Training....World Baseball Classic..you know the NEW pysdo-World Cup baseball comp. that starts on the 3rd...I think they are playing in 3 or 4 places around the counrty. AZ is one of them. Though, USA is not one of the Teams playing there... :(

Unless they have chearleaders !!!! :o

This boy from CT is looking to come down, where can I send my registration to and when should I get it in by to get in? Is there online registration?

This boy from CT is looking to come down, where can I send my registration to and when should I get it in by to get in? Is there online registration?



I would have your entry in by the end of January, to the 1st week of feb. Go to Disqman.com for info. Yes there is online registration.

NHL Hockey is way more entertaining than spring training baseball.

Go Wings!



Agreed!! Although the yotes are starting to fade......I don't think any of my teams won a single game in the month of dec. :(

Have you been to Glendale arena? It is awesome! It's right next to the big silver flying saucer that the Cardinals will be playing in. I recommend it to anyone who wants to see some desert hockey.

You know I say by the end of Jan., but this baby could fill up even faster, especially the AM side. A smart bet would be to get your entry in as soon as possible.

Well, I'll be playing pro so hopefully it wont fill by the end of this week, i should have my check out by then.

NHL Hockey is way more entertaining than spring training baseball.

Go Wings!



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif NOT Spring Training....



Magilla, I'm so freakin sick of spring training. I live about a mile from Peoria sports complex. I have never seen worse traffic since I tried the 405 to Santa Monica on a Monday morning. Talk about counter productive. You can't get anything done when all the car managers and sales people are gone in the middle of the day supposedly "Test Driving". :D

NHL Hockey is way more entertaining than spring training baseball.

Go Wings!



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif NOT Spring Training....



Magilla, I'm so freakin sick of spring training. I live about a mile from Peoria sports complex. I have never seen worse traffic since I tried the 405 to Santa Monica on a Monday morning. Talk about counter productive. You can't get anything done when all the car managers and sales people are gone in the middle of the day supposedly "Test Driving". :D



Test Driving is cool....................Especially the 2006 Corvette !!!!!!! WOW !!!!!!!! :cool:

When do the awards usually end? 6?7? later? I just got the okay to make it and need to know when to plan my flight back on Sunday night.
thanks.

Is there also a dinner get together someplace on Saturday night ?

When do the awards usually end? 6?7? later? I just got the okay to make it and need to know when to plan my flight back on Sunday night.
thanks.



You're pretty close at between 6 to 7. I would plan the lastest flight just to be safe.

When do the awards usually end? 6?7? later? I just got the okay to make it and need to know when to plan my flight back on Sunday night.
thanks.



You're pretty close at between 6 to 7. I would plan the lastest flight just to be safe.



Do they still serve drinks on 40 minute flights ?

Russell,

Isn't it better to just plan on skipping the awards unless you are staying over until Monday? I seem to remember it going pretty late at Duke's.

Hey Rhett . Are you Flying or driving ?

Russell,

Isn't it better to just plan on skipping the awards unless you are staying over until Monday? I seem to remember it going pretty late at Duke's.



That usually goes without saying, but thanks for helping the "never been to a tournament" player. I still believe that if someone wants to go to the awards, they can still make a 10pm or later flight. The airport is only 15 min. away.

>Do they still serve drinks on 40 minute flights ?<

sure! one while the plane goes up, and one while the plane goes down... :D also, you can't smoke in the restroom anymore, and they now have jet engines where the propellers used to be... :o:D

Is there also a dinner get together someplace on Saturday night ?



As of right now Dan is having trouble finding a place to host the party. I think he's got a band, but Flickas is becoming a problem. Zach Walker is working on the place, and we'll have to get back to you on where.

Might anyone be interested in a game of Caps on the Wednesday night before the event???

Russell,

Isn't it better to just plan on skipping the awards unless you are staying over until Monday? I seem to remember it going pretty late at Duke's.



I end up missing late awards every year. The only reasonable flight from Phoenix to Portland leaves at 8:30, unless I want to waste another half day (at least) or work on Monday. I usually have to leave at 7PM, just as they're about to start.

-Theo

luckily i got a flight leaving at 1130 pm. :cool:

"never been to a tournament" player.



now, now...just never been to a 'I have no idea when I or anyone else will tee off or end' tournament. Even World's awards this year didn't go 'til 9 (or maybe I was in a disc golf fog :confused:).
Which brings me to the next question. When are the earliest and latest tee times? Is it possible to be teeing off as late as 3PM?
getting stoked already and can't wait!
-mikew

Russell,

Isn't it better to just plan on skipping the awards unless you are staying over until Monday? I seem to remember it going pretty late at Duke's.



I end up missing late awards every year. The only reasonable flight from Phoenix to Portland leaves at 8:30, unless I want to waste another half day (at least) or work on Monday. I usually have to leave at 7PM, just as they're about to start.

-Theo



Yes it does....Ill be on that flight as well.. :p

"never been to a tournament" player.



now, now...just never been to a 'I have no idea when I or anyone else will tee off or end' tournament. Even World's awards this year didn't go 'til 9 (or maybe I was in a disc golf fog :confused:).
Which brings me to the next question. When are the earliest and latest tee times? Is it possible to be teeing off as late as 3PM?
getting stoked already and can't wait!
-mikew



Flyin,
Comment wasn't directed towards you, just givin Rhett some s**t. Anyways , last year we only had 1 course, so we did have people teeing late. This year, if we stick to 200 people per field, then we should be able to finish no later than 2pm. Of course the ams will have a 20 min drive back to Dukes from the Fountain. If we run 200 people at 7min. intervals, starting at 7:30, we can get done in about 5 to 5 1/2 hours. So that's around 1pm, give or take 15 min. No final 9, so I think this year we should be finished with the ceremony earlier than last year. Official tee times won't probably be posted until we close registration 1 to 2 weeks before the event.

Flyin,
I sat down and figured 200 people @ 7 minute intervals, starting at 7:30. The last group would be teeing off at 1:12. It will take about 2 hours to play the fountain. It will take the pros about 4 hours to play a rd. @ Vista. If there are 200 pros, Dano will start the ams (at the fountain on sunday) at 8am, because the pros(at Vista) will not be finished until after 5pm. Dan says not to expect the awards to start before 7:30-8pm. It really does depend on how many are playing. Like I said before, I can easily imagine 200 ams. 200 pros, that waits to be seen. 30 less pros, and the awards can start up to an hour earlier.

Is there a Host hotel? or a hotel minutes from the course?

I'm looking for Wednesday night only...

Ken, check www.disqman.com (http://www.disqman.com)

There are many hotels close to Vista. The host hotel is the cheapest i've found so far. I'm not sure if there is still availability. the hotel next to Vista is under construction, but might have a room for you. It's nice to roll outta bed and be a golf course!

It's nice to roll outta bed and be a golf course!


You know, I really enjoy rolling out of bed and being a golf course too.

LOL

Thanks Tannerkin,
I did wind up finding that site last night. $112 a night(99+tax), thats a little pricey. I may travelocity some crap, and find something a little futher away. like I said all I need is wed. night, I have a place to crash for the weekend.

I sent in my entry last week and my name has not shown up on the pre-reg list yeat. Does anyone know how often the list is updated? Thanks in advance! :)

Joe

I called susan ginelly a couple of nites ago and she said that she would be updating it in the next few days so I would think it will be updated shortly.

dude, i am totally winning the open division right now....I mean, being on top of the pre-reg list means that i am going to win, right?

Dude, you are winning!

You Roc!

rshelt,
thanks for the reply, now that I know I'm coming I'm totally stoked. It's part family visit trip, part disc golf tournament trip so I'm trying to plan ahead a little.
Is there a format for Ams, as far as the order of divisions teeing off, Adv 1st, then Int, or do the old guys get to get up earliest, or is that yet to be determined? I'd like to check out some of the top pros before or after my round also. I'll be playing Am Adv Mstr and Murphey's Law states that I'll be playing at the same time as the top Open cards that I want to see. Any chance of knowing that ahead of time?
thanks,
Mikew

In the past they have rotated the divisions start times so no one ends up having to start early EVERY day..ie Friday, Open Men then Masters then Grands then Women..
Sat..Grands, Women, Open Men, Masters,...Sunday..Masters, Grands, Women, Open Men..etc...(This is in NO WAY the actual start orders, only an example)

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?

Brian Mace - Just came across your message about those discs you had for me. Will you be at The Memorial? If so and you still have them I can get them from you there.

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)

Yes, I am. I would love to see you guys again. Tell Laurie I said she has to come! I need someone to keep my spirits up because I haven't played DG in months, and probably won't play much before then, so if she's there, at least I know I can have some fun while playing like doo doo!

Man I cant wait for this one to come around...........Ive been waiting to play this tournament again since I putted out on 18 last year.

Cant wait to see all the friendly faces on the patio at Dukes. And most of all I cant wait to drink some Fat Tire!!! :D:D:D

See you guys soon.

Heck maybe this time ill even go sit in on the summit :eek: :eek: :eek:

So far there are 11 of us Skylanders coming to AZ!!!!! Woo hoo!!!

Heck maybe this time ill even go sit in on the summit :eek: :eek: :eek:



It would be more fun to sit on the summit of Mt. Camelback!

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)



if i said that my first event in 4 months was going to be there at the memorial would you go or would that convince you to not go :eek:
i need a person to share space with and i'll pay my share for room space and even sleep on the floor if need be

going to Phoenix next week for work :),so hopefully i'll be able to get a round or two in.I'd really like to go check out the new fountian layout. :D

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)



if i said that my first event in 4 months was going to be there at the memorial would you go or would that convince you to not go :eek:
i need a person to share space with and i'll pay my share for room space and even sleep on the floor if need be



What, now you're coming out of retirement?

going to Phoenix next week for work :),so hopefully i'll be able to get a round or two in.I'd really like to go check out the new fountian layout. :D



Jack, What day are you coming out? I may not be here next weekend, but during the week, possible. PM me and let me know....RS

Heck maybe this time ill even go sit in on the summit :eek: :eek: :eek:



It would be more fun to sit on the summit of Mt. Camelback!



Maybe meet a few bums, drink some ripple, buy some meth, get mugged.......ALOT more fun than the PDGA Summitt :D

you got mail :D

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)



if i said that my first event in 4 months was going to be there at the memorial would you go or would that convince you to not go :eek:
i need a person to share space with and i'll pay my share for room space and even sleep on the floor if need be



What, now you're coming out of retirement?



<font color="blue"> as stated before on this board after my last event in vegas in nov of '05 </font>


happy holidays to schewb and all his followers!

how's married life treating you mr scheweberger??
hope to see you at some events in 06 if i come out of retirement....
the only 5-6 events i would come out of retirement to play are all ones that you usually attend also..
vegas,memorial, biscoe's events,worlds and usdgc...

maybe i'll see you at one of them...
take care and get better!!!
keith




i do believe that the memorial is on the list isn't it?????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

i know you ususally don't pay attention to what i write but i look forward to seeing you and everyone else again....

i haven't thrown a disc in almost a month and haven't played a league and have only thrown 36 total holes of golf since nov 6th....so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)



if i said that my first event in 4 months was going to be there at the memorial would you go or would that convince you to not go :eek:
i need a person to share space with and i'll pay my share for room space and even sleep on the floor if need be



What, now you're coming out of retirement?



<font color="blue"> as stated before on this board after my last event in vegas in nov of '05 </font>


happy holidays to schewb and all his followers!

how's married life treating you mr scheweberger??
hope to see you at some events in 06 if i come out of retirement....
the only 5-6 events i would come out of retirement to play are all ones that you usually attend also..
vegas,memorial, biscoe's events,worlds and usdgc...

maybe i'll see you at one of them...
take care and get better!!!
keith




i do believe that the memorial is on the list isn't it?????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

i know you ususally don't pay attention to what i write but i look forward to seeing you and everyone else again....

i haven't thrown a disc in almost a month and haven't played a league and have only thrown 36 total holes of golf since nov 6th....so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D



No Keith, actually I do remember every post to the letter that you have ever posted. I've archived them just so I can read them all over and over again so you don't have to remind me what was said 6 months ago....I'm just testing you.

And of course beating you is all I think of...... :o:p

Rhett - Will you and Laurie be going to the Memorial?


Doesn't look like it.

Are you going? Maybe I can make a better case for going that way. :)



if i said that my first event in 4 months was going to be there at the memorial would you go or would that convince you to not go :eek:
i need a person to share space with and i'll pay my share for room space and even sleep on the floor if need be



What, now you're coming out of retirement?



<font color="blue"> as stated before on this board after my last event in vegas in nov of '05 </font>


happy holidays to schewb and all his followers!

how's married life treating you mr scheweberger??
hope to see you at some events in 06 if i come out of retirement....
the only 5-6 events i would come out of retirement to play are all ones that you usually attend also..
vegas,memorial, biscoe's events,worlds and usdgc...

maybe i'll see you at one of them...
take care and get better!!!
keith




i do believe that the memorial is on the list isn't it?????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

i know you ususally don't pay attention to what i write but i look forward to seeing you and everyone else again....

i haven't thrown a disc in almost a month and haven't played a league and have only thrown 36 total holes of golf since nov 6th....so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D



No Keith, actually I do remember every post to the letter that you have ever posted. I've archived them just so I can read them all over and over again so you don't have to remind me what was said 6 months ago....I'm just testing you.

And of course beating you is all I think of...... :o:p



as i suspected all along :D

Hey Keith , are you still going to make a guest appearance ?

Hey Keith , are you still going to make a guest appearance ?



No, it's a "Comeback". Like when Magic came back after battling aids, Grant Hill and the ankle, Super Mario, George Foreman, Ali, Tyson, Arnold in Terminator #3......

so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D



Im gonna WHOOP YA like a "Step Child" :D

Hey Keith , are you still going to make a guest appearance ?



No, it's a "Comeback". Like when Magic came back after battling aids, Grant Hill and the ankle, Super Mario, George Foreman, Ali, Tyson, Arnold in Terminator #3......



Also like Michael Jordan and Baseball ? :eek: :D

Is there a link someone can post for the online payment. I must be missing it??

Thanks

Is there a link someone can post for the online payment. I must be missing it??


There doens't appear to be an online payment option. Better mail that check quick!

Hey Keith , are you still going to make a guest appearance ?



No, it's a "Comeback". Like when Magic came back after battling aids, Grant Hill and the ankle, Super Mario, George Foreman, Ali, Tyson, Arnold in Terminator #3......



Also like Michael Jordan and Baseball ? :eek: :D



Like that Bobbitt fellow. He came back and had a great porn career after the beheading..... :eek:

Hey Russ,

Is there a link to pay online via paypal or credit card? Thanks man.

bs

Is there a link someone can post for the online payment. I must be missing it??

Thanks



I asked Danny, and he said it was there somewhere. I looked but couldn't find it. I'll ask again and get back to you.

On Saturday we played a monthly-like, tourney on the new 18 hole layout at Vista. Perfect conditions, 70 and very light wind all day. We played 1 round of singles, and 1 of doubles. Par is definately going to be 66. There was one 64 and scores as high as 123 for some AMs. Worst in open was around 79. I think we'll see some rounds in the upper 50s, if there is no wind. I struggled to a 70, and really thought a low 60s round was there for my level. This course is by far the best the Scottsdale course has ever been. No complaints, even from the am women, who played from most of the pro tees. I love the Fountain, but this course is better. Better playing, but not better looking. The Fountain will always be a "prettier" course.

Russell,

Any idea of the divisional order of tee-offs for each day? Especially Sunday.

Are you guys alternating who goes first or sticking with the same thing?

You know I'm going to give you my opinion......:)

While alternating the tee-times per division between morning and afternoon sounds good and seems fair on the surface, I think keeping the same order is better. What happens is that some people end up with a late tee-time and a round that goes really late and then end up with a really early tee-time the next day. I personally much prefer the same general time each day, even if it's early, versus getting a really late finish, a later dinner, and a sunrise start the next day.


So do you know the divisional order for each day? :) TIA.

I think switching it up is nice. I mean how late can a round really go. You play will 5 then have a 7 am tee time. Whats wrong with that. Dinner takes a could hours then a couple hours to chill then 8 hours up sleep and up at 7 am ready to go again. Plus it gives the ams a chance to watch the pros when the am play in the early AM because there is no way I would wake up early just to go watch the pros play before my tee time.

Speaking of Tee Times. Rhett are you even bringing the family out to The Memorial this year??? I heard you were staying home this year.

Russel, any specifics on what/how the holes play at Vista? What gets combined, anything new?

Also, I'm going to the 311 show saturday night. If anyone is interested let me know. Seeing Wu-Tang as well on Tuesday before the tournament!

Russel showed me the layout today at Vista and let me just say WOW :eek:This course is big and long with OB'S added down both sides of alot of the course.The course is hard but if you play start you can make it through without to many Bogeys

Holes 1 thur 7 back side of the course

Hole 1 to basket on top of hill WOW :eek:OMG OBS down both sides of hole narrow par 5
Hole 2 reg. shot across lake 1st birdie shot
Hole 3 reg,shot along side of lake
Hole 4 reg,shot hole all the way to end of park,OBS both side of hole
Hole 5 reg shot with about 100 ft added to hole
Hole 6 reg.shot hole on top of gunite
Hole 7 teepad moved back about 50 feet
Hole 8 teepad1 to basket 18
Hole 9 teepad 2 to basket 3 obs both sides of hole
Hole 10 teepad 4 to basket 5 mando comes into play
Hole 11 teepad 6 to basket 8 :eek:OMG
hole 12 teepad at middle of bridge to basket 9 sidewalk ob lake comes into play be smart layup
Hole 13 teepad 10 to basket 10 2nd birdie shot don't blow it :D
Hole 14 teepad 11 to basket 11
Hole 15 teepad 12 to basket 13 ob on leftside of holr and gets narrower as you play the hole
Hole 16 teepad 14 to basket 15
Hole 17 teepad 16 to basket 16
Hole 18 teepad 17 back to almost teepad 2

Russel can fill in any gaps but that pretty close

Russel showed me the layout today at Vista and let me just say WOW :eek:This course is big and long with OB'S added down both sides of alot of the course.The course is hard but if you play start you can make it through without to many Bogeys

Holes 1 thur 7 back side of the course

Hole 1 to basket on top of hill WOW :eek:OMG OBS down both sides of hole narrow par 5
Hole 2 reg. shot across lake 1st birdie shot
Hole 3 reg,shot along side of lake
Hole 4 reg,shot hole all the way to end of park,OBS both side of hole
Hole 5 reg shot with about 100 ft added to hole
Hole 6 reg.shot hole on top of gunite
Hole 7 teepad moved back about 50 feet
Hole 8 teepad1 to basket 18
Hole 9 teepad 2 to basket 3 obs both sides of hole
Hole 10 teepad 4 to basket 5 mando comes into play
Hole 11 teepad 6 to basket 8 :eek:OMG
hole 12 teepad at middle of bridge to basket 9 sidewalk ob lake comes into play be smart layup
Hole 13 teepad 10 to basket 10 2nd birdie shot don't blow it :D
Hole 14 teepad 11 to basket 11
Hole 15 teepad 12 to basket 13 ob on leftside of holr and gets narrower as you play the hole
Hole 16 teepad 14 to basket 15
Hole 17 teepad 16 to basket 16
Hole 18 teepad 17 back to almost teepad 2

Russel can fill in any gaps but that pretty close



:eek: It would be nice to have a Google Map of this layout.

You mean something like this?

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/ck34/images/memorial%20layout%202006.jpg

Thanks fellas! Can't wait to get a crack at this layout!

All I can say is: "WOW!!!" That looks like a killer layout. I'm psyched that I'm flying out for this event now - even if I get slaughtered by the Vista and the Fountain.

Skylands Disc Golf Club (NY/NJ) will be representin' with at least 10 members!!!

Hey Keith , are you still going to make a guest appearance ?



No, it's a "Comeback". Like when Magic came back after battling aids, Grant Hill and the ankle, Super Mario, George Foreman, Ali, Tyson, Arnold in Terminator #3......



Also like Michael Jordan and Baseball ? :eek: :D



Like that Bobbitt fellow. He came back and had a great porn career after the beheading..... :eek:



luckily i do not need a beheading to continue my great porn career :D

i love the descriptions of the 18 hole layout and the pictures chuck posted from the sky....
i could play that layout in my sleep just from jack's decriptions but i'm sure the photo's are helpful for people who don't have a photographic memory :D

any chance of something like that for the fountain's new layout...it has been 3 years since seeing it and now with it going "backwards"(how does a course that played like a crescent moon before go backwards :eek: )

thanks in advance and i'll see everyone there!
keith

so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D



Im gonna WHOOP YA like a "Step Child" :D



ok mike....since you should be playing the same division as myself...how about a 20 spot on overall score??

it will be as much a pleasure to take your money, as it was to whip your boy 7-0 at team in 04 :o:eek:

:D:D:D

So are the Ams going to play this layout as well? (on Saturday) Or do we have to play some shortened Amateurized version of the course again?

I really hope the adv. division can play this course, especially if its only going to be once.

So are the Ams going to play this layout as well? (on Saturday) Or do we have to play some shortened Amateurized version of the course again?



I hope we get to play this layout as well. I dont see why hey would set it up with rope and the like and then not have us play it. I also know that I cant wait to play Fountain Hills this year :D:D:D

adv. ams will play the long course and all others will play some holes from a shorter position.

What about Blue level players like Women and GM Pros? I think the hole balance looks like it could be a little better in terms of having maybe two more twoable holes for everyone in the mix let alone Blue level players. Regular 18 is one of the outstanding par 3 holes on the regular course. And regular 1 is fine too.

If the usual 18 pin is being used for the 1 to 18 hole, the water is too close for fairness when throwing at that pin from the opposite direction. If the pin is moving to a different spot with water at least 25 feet behind it, that would be much better.

I agree with chuck. Leave original 1 and original 18 alone. They are great risk reward 2s and I think 2 of the best holes on the original layout.

Just my opinion. See you guys in a month and 4 days :D:D:D

If you did regular 18 and regular 1, you would end up with an extra hole. However, instead of the new holes 16 thru 18 shown on the map, you could play regular 14, then hole 15 tee to the 17 pin which transitions easily to regular 18 for the finish. That 15 to 17 par 5 hole would be pretty cool and prevent losing hardly any length. The pin could even be set longer than regular 17 if desired. There would be better scoring spread and balance with regular 1 and 18. I think the transitions would even be somewhat better.

So are the Ams going to play this layout as well? (on Saturday) Or do we have to play some shortened Amateurized version of the course again?



All Am divisions will play the same course at the Fountain as the pros. At Vista, there will be a short tee on hole 6(dam hole). Other changes are, instead of hole 11 being reg. hole 6 to hole 8, they will play from hole 6 to hole 7, then they will play from regular hole 9s tee for hole 12. I tried to talk Dan into letting all ams play the same courses, but he brought up a good point. Not all ams can thrown over the water on those holes, and on 6 to 7, he doesn't want to create any backups at the narrow end. We know that we will hear some whinning, but if he doesn't hear it one way, he'll hear it another. The rest of the course is still pretty tuff, and all ams are playing all of the OBs.

Any word on divisional order for tee times each day? Especially Sunday?

If you did regular 18 and regular 1, you would end up with an extra hole. However, instead of the new holes 16 thru 18 shown on the map, you could play regular 14, then hole 15 tee to the 17 pin which transitions easily to regular 18 for the finish. That 15 to 17 par 5 hole would be pretty cool and prevent losing hardly any length. The pin could even be set longer than regular 17 if desired. There would be better scoring spread and balance with regular 1 and 18. I think the transitions would even be somewhat better.



Chuck, First off, we're done with the course design. This is how it will be for the tourney. 2nd, hole 1 to 18 is not to the short 18 position. It's to long 18 by the tree near the water, but to the side, not behind the basket. It's like old hole 1, but about 75' longer, easy for an arm like the Pimp, but more risk cause you have to throw harder, bringing water more into play if you take the outside hyzer route.

Hole 17 to 2, is really not to hole 2. There will be a temp basket closer to the volleyball court near the cabana. Ending there means you just walk about 75' and your off the course. 16 to 17 still would mean that you have to walk through 2-3s fairway to get to 18, like we have done for years, only this time 3s basket also will be a temp that pushes hole 3 about 50' further north. Hole 17 to 2s temp basket is a great hole, and we agreed that it will be better than hole 18 was. Remember that there will be an OB line between 2-3(hole9) and 17-2(18) fairways, which makes 2 great USDGC type holes. Play for good position and risk OB. Play down the center and mess with the trees that have never come into play until this course.

The course is still unbalanced without enough great par 3 holes and two excellent ones were removed for what appear to be more long open par 4 or 5 holes that are similar all over the course. The relative sameness of the terrain demands design creativity and 1 and 18 worked. The fact that several holes have USDGC OB doesn't necessarily make them cooler, just more punitive. Holes 1, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 15, 16 and 18 are relatively the same. Holes 13 and 17 are just plain old par 3s.

>What about Blue level players like Women and GM Pros? I think the hole balance looks like it could be a little better in terms of having maybe two more twoable holes for everyone in the mix let alone Blue level players. Regular 18 is one of the outstanding par 3 holes on the regular course. And regular 1 is fine too.<

Does everything have to be 2able? Why not be happy with a 3 as a birdie? There are 8 par 4s that are 3able by blue level players. There are also 4 par 3s under 400', with 2 being under 360'. (4 par 3s around 425') The par 5s are tough and probably will average over 5 even with the pros. Remember we are trying to make a "championship" course, not one that caters to lower levels. I think that most of the "Blue Level" players respect that thought also. Top open players will always refer to the par 54, but blue level players should look at actual par, which this year will be on the score cards. I'd be shocked, but not surprised, if anyone shoots 54 or better.

Any word on divisional order for tee times each day? Especially Sunday?



Sorry Rhett, I don't know the exact order, but it will change from day to day. Dan says no change to what he's done in the past. I do know that the Open field tees last on sunday.

Any word on divisional order for tee times each day? Especially Sunday?



Sorry Rhett, I don't know the exact order, but it will change from day to day. Dan says no change to what he's done in the past. I do know that the Open field tees last on sunday.


Ugh. That probably means the am women will playing into the dark on Saturday after teeing last of 200 ams on the long OB-filled Vista course, and then have to get up at zero-dark-thirty for a way-early tee-time all the way out at the Fountain on Sunday.

Thanks for trying. I'll assume MA1 tees last on Sunday for the Ams.

Did I say everything should be twoable? I said the balance was off and suggested two more in the mix would be better. Not just for Blue but for everybody. We've had quite a spirited discussion on long course hole balance on the Course Eval topic area and in the Course Designers group.

I'm also not suggesting that the Gold holes be dumbed down to suit the Blue players. Place some alternate tees where appropriate so that some of the par 4 holes don't become unlikely birdie 3s and routine 4s. But place at lengths where a 3 can be gotten with two good throws and a putt, not two Gold level drives.

Some Blue level players can hang out there if they can throw rollers on a competition courses suited for that. But with USDGC markings, I suspect that option may be too risky to potentially reach those full length Gold 4s without airshots. It's not just the Pro Women and GMs but the bulk of the Ams who are Blue level.

Rhett, Are you coming out and bringing the fam this year???

>any chance of something like that for the fountain's new layout...it has been 3 years since seeing it and now with it going "backwards"(how does a course that played like a crescent moon before go backwards )<

Because now it's almost a full circle! They built a little picknic area and play area in the southwest corner of the park. If you walk to old hole 15s basket there is now a war memorial (and no #15 :() If you walk to the bailout tree for weenie arms on old 15 you will find 1s tee box going to old 14. Hole 2 is one of the best holes I've ever played. You walk about 75' from 1s basket and tee off from 75'in front of the 2 trees in the middle of old 14, all the way(about750') to old 13, on the edge of the hill near the one lone palm. It is definately one of the top 2 holes of the tourney, with 6 to 8 @ Vista being really close. You continue the rest of the way around, same direction as the regular course, except you don't double back to play old 9-15. Make sense? It will, and you will like IF they fix the tee boxes.

Chuck, All 8 4s are not Gold level, in fact they are all 3able by blue level, that's why I stated that. they are all around 650-750'. Danny and I even argued that 1 or 2 of the par 4s should be 3s. Two good 325' drives(something that even you can do) should get most near the baskets. I'll agree that hole 18 was a better 3 than 13 or 17, but it didn't work with hole 17 to 2, which is worth losing hole 18 for. Hole 1 (if you would read) is the same, just longer. Blue level had trouble 2ing Hole1 before, and now it's more a risk for the gold level. You want to change some because you thnk it looks boring, or as you say, too many holes that are the same, but when you actully look at it, it is about as diversified as it could be, and still be a tough course for top players. Think about it, 8 par 4s ranging from 650-750, With at least 5 being blue level, 4 blue level 3s , 2 being a little basic, but relieving to those needing an easy 2, 4 gold level 3s, and 2 gold 5s. If you read earlier I posted that we played a monthly and the ams played and everyone loved it, and usually there are all kinds of complaints.

Any word on divisional order for tee times each day? Especially Sunday?



Sorry Rhett, I don't know the exact order, but it will change from day to day. Dan says no change to what he's done in the past. I do know that the Open field tees last on sunday.


Ugh. That probably means the am women will playing into the dark on Saturday after teeing last of 200 ams on the long OB-filled Vista course, and then have to get up at zero-dark-thirty for a way-early tee-time all the way out at the Fountain on Sunday.

Thanks for trying. I'll assume MA1 tees last on Sunday for the Ams.



I don't think Dan is starting anyone before 8am, on any course. The women who played this weekend, (6 of them, only 1 being pro) started at 10am and finished 1:30pm. Start 200 people at 8am, with 7 min. intervals, that starts them around 2ish(maybe a little earlier). It won't be dark until around 6:30ish. Remember we're only running 200 max per course. Last 2 years we had 260+ for 1 course. You do the math, and stop worrying so much... :D

From a course design standpoint, max length for a Blue par 4 in the open is 600 feet. Optimum design range is 525-575 for best scoring spread. It's not whether a three is possible but whether 2-4 out of 10 players consistently three the hole on average to get a good scoring spread. However, if there's trouble, then the scoring can be spread by OB penalties, but that's harder to do fairly and the length range shouldn't necessarily be any longer.

Open holes in the 600-700 range is the design zone for Gold par 4s with a good scoring spread. Over 700 and you're again in a range that just favors long arms with not enough 3s to go around.

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DUKE'S!!!!!!! :D

Forget about par and play it the best your game will let ya, scores will sort it out...they always do.

Some courses have to be blue, and some gold, this one we would like to be more gold. In a blue design, par 4s are no longer than 600'. In a gold design they are 850'. My idea of Gold design is the USDGC, on this type of wide open course. Blue design, is last years Memorial for the AMs, and you saw how much they liked that. In my opinion, championship courses should not be made with the blue level in mind, that works best for a recreational course. For most players that come here, they want a gold course. I would hate to change a course for the few, and hurt the majority.
Adding old hole 18, or 1 to 2 easier birdies sure wouldn't suddenly change this course into a better course, and that's what we were initially talking about. Also I'm guessing at the distances. 1 to 3 of the par 4s could be 600' or less.

Dual tees are easy to do where needed. Beat the Gold players to a pulp. Certain shorter tees will be just as brutal for Blue but with the same "fun factor" as Gold.

how long is the biggest pump over the water that would be a consideration. 350'? 400'?

I don't think Dan is starting anyone before 8am, on any course. The women who played this weekend, (6 of them, only 1 being pro) started at 10am and finished 1:30pm. Start 200 people at 8am, with 7 min. intervals, that starts them around 2ish(maybe a little earlier). It won't be dark until around 6:30ish. Remember we're only running 200 max per course. Last 2 years we had 260+ for 1 course. You do the math, and stop worrying so much... :D


Let's see.....2:00 PM tee off....wide open course plays in about 3.5 hours (10 to 1:30)....add 1 hour for backups and stuff, because 7 minute intervals is agressive....that make 6:30 PM, or finishing in the dark. :)

Anything else I can help you with? :D

rhett writes:
"that make 6:30 PM, or finishing in the dark."

actually in march that means "early twilight" :D

>any chance of something like that for the fountain's new layout...it has been 3 years since seeing it and now with it going "backwards"(how does a course that played like a crescent moon before go backwards )<

Because now it's almost a full circle! They built a little picknic area and play area in the southwest corner of the park. If you walk to old hole 15s basket there is now a war memorial (and no #15 :() If you walk to the bailout tree for weenie arms on old 15 you will find 1s tee box going to old 14. Hole 2 is one of the best holes I've ever played. You walk about 75' from 1s basket and tee off from 75'in front of the 2 trees in the middle of old 14, all the way(about750') to old 13, on the edge of the hill near the one lone palm. It is definately one of the top 2 holes of the tourney, with 6 to 8 @ Vista being really close. You continue the rest of the way around, same direction as the regular course, except you don't double back to play old 9-15. Make sense? It will, and you will like IF they fix the tee boxes.



ok i can almost see it..but i still can't figure how without doubling back you can get 18 holes in the "circle"
holes 1 and 2 take up the hole left side(from parking lot)...speaking of which if 1 is over by old 15 is there parking or does everyone walk from original parking lot across to hole 1?

sorry for the questions but just trying to "see" the course
thanks for your responses
keith

so you might have a chance to beat me...


but i doubt it!! :D



Im gonna WHOOP YA like a "Step Child" :D



ok mike....since you should be playing the same division as myself...how about a 20 spot on overall score??

:D:D:D



Sho'nuf..20 it is.........Ill need those extra "Beverages" after the Rounds.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

So are the Ams going to play this layout as well? (on Saturday) Or do we have to play some shortened Amateurized version of the course again?



I hope we get to play this layout as well. I dont see why hey would set it up with rope and the like and then not have us play it. I also know that I cant wait to play Fountain Hills this year :D:D:D



Usually the Ams play the same course WITHOUT all the added OBs....... I guess they have NO SKILLS /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Id guess that is done so there are NOT any 120's and MAJOR DELAYS for the "Pimples" group :D

and all ams are playing all of the OBs.



NICE.. :D

how long is the biggest pump over the water that would be a consideration. 350'? 400'?



Vista: Hole 5 375' short 430' in the long
Fountain: 2 holes 100-150, but 1 you have to cross 225' of land, then 100' of water

I don't think Dan is starting anyone before 8am, on any course. The women who played this weekend, (6 of them, only 1 being pro) started at 10am and finished 1:30pm. Start 200 people at 8am, with 7 min. intervals, that starts them around 2ish(maybe a little earlier). It won't be dark until around 6:30ish. Remember we're only running 200 max per course. Last 2 years we had 260+ for 1 course. You do the math, and stop worrying so much... :D


Let's see.....2:00 PM tee off....wide open course plays in about 3.5 hours (10 to 1:30)....add 1 hour for backups and stuff, because 7 minute intervals is agressive....that make 6:30 PM, or finishing in the dark. :)

Anything else I can help you with? :D



There will be no 1 hour backups for a couple of reasons. 1; we will have shorter tees on some of the longer holes(like every year) for am2 men & women, adv. women, master&GM women. Advanced men will play the course the same as pros, except for holes 4(6 to 8), 5 (old 9), and 17(dam hole), like I said yesterday. All AM div. will play all OB. Also we will have spotters waving on the groups on the par 4s and 5s. We will make it clear to the players about not waiting until groups have holed out on 600' holes. You know you can contact Dan directly with your concerns, but of course he'll tell you if you don't like it, don't come, which I thought that's what you said earlier in the thread :D.

Now you're thinking yesterday Russel said that 6 to 7 was hole 11, well Dano told me today that we will be starting like every year on regular hole one and ending on the long 7 holes to the south.

I'm just remembering a couple of years ago when there was that hobo-camp sized backup on the ultra-cool combo-hole with the mandy. Where that little girl got whammed in the head by an OB drive into the schoolyard.

I was never so glad to have a zero-dark-thirty tee time as I was that round. We were able to blow through that hole in nothing flat.

russel writes:
"Now you're thinking yesterday Russel said that 6 to 7 was hole 11, well Dano told me today that we will be starting like every year on regular hole one and ending on the long 7 holes to the south."

well if i remember right(and you know i do)we started the last year across the road for the pros as everyone played one course....
this year with both courses it doesn't really matter either way...

when you get a chance could you please answer the fountain question i asked earlier....thanks, keith

There is a map of the new fountain layout on the yahoo group discgolf-az.

Where that little girl got whammed in the head by an OB drive into the schoolyard.



That was in the group ahead of me.. Wierd stuff, moving the hole in the middle of the round. And making everyone who had already played it...REPLAY IT...... :p

I had a guy in my group turn a 7 into a 3...... :eek:

Play PRO, Rhett. Then you wont have those "slow play" back up issues
:D

311-aww yea. same ol' band...new show, new state.

And I agree...if you don't like the flow, the tee times, or anything else, don't come and put on your own tourney!
geez, I'm just stoked to be playing one of the best and biggest tounaments of the year.

CO will be representin'!!

There is a map of the new fountain layout on the yahoo group discgolf-az.



Where is that Map?? :confused:

I couldnt find it there?? :confused:

Any help? :D

We did start on the back 7 last year, and it was a huge help when it came to the mando/girl-got-hit-in-the-head hole. I hate starting a round, only to be sitting 3 holes later for what seems like forever. Stretch us out over the first 7, and it won't be an issue.

Can't nobody do it like 311!

http://www.azdiscgolf.com/images/FountainHills-layout.jpg

Did 311 do the Cure cover?

http://www.azdiscgolf.com/images/FountainHills-layout.jpg



thanks!!
i can picture it and it looks like it will be interesting...
i'm counting the days!!

They do it about every show.

I thought we started on both, depending on if you were a late start or early. I could be wrong. All the past Memorials seem to merge into one sometimes. Anyways Dan says this year everybody on hole 1, just like when the last time we had 2 courses. People have to look back to when we had 2 courses to compare, and not assume(Rhett) that we will have the same problems we had the last 2 years with only 1 course. Some would not like starting on that 1st back hole anyways, now that's it's 1017' long, with a narrowed fairway.

Here are the distances for Vista, done by Micheal Gaffney:
hole 1...365' water on rt. sidewalk far left
2...624' mandy on rt.(must go lt. of) ob line to left
3...670' mandy on lt. (must go rt. of) ob far left
4...981' mandy on 1st tree to the lt. ob lt. on 2nd &3rd throws
5...384' almost completely over water. ob sidewalk 30' behind. There will be a long position also at about 425'
6...327' ob sidewalk behind
7...440' sidewalk to lt., water on rt.
8...570' ob line lt. fence ob on rt.
9...693' sidewalk lt. fence rt.
10..380'
11..720' ob line lt. apts. on rt.
12..1017' ob line lt. ob line rt.
13..355' ob water in frt. & rt. side. sidewalk 35' behind
14..429' ob water on lt.
15..663' ob far lt.
16..669' ob line rt. sidewalk lt.
17..363' ob water and gunite. must carry 330'-340' over water
18..558' sidewalk lt. street on rt.

Keith, sorry for not responding to you yesterday about the fountain. There is 1 zag, and that's from hole 2 to 3. We needed to have a hole between long 2 and reg. 3, so Dan put a doinker inbetween. Then you play regular 3. After that you walk over to old hole 1 by the corner of the parking lot, and play a shortened version of the original. The rest you should be able to figure out by the map.