I just looked at the map of the Fountain. That is a map of the short course. The differences are, hole 2 goes past the big palm to old 13 basket, by the water. Added short hole 3(not shown), by the cabana. 7 is longer and by the water(great hole). 8 and 9 are combined and longer (another great hole), and 10 is longer.

Folks,

Last year, The Memorial had 260+ players on one course. The only way it was possible to accomplish that was by going with tee times every 7 minutes (we tried 8 minute tee times on Friday, but the Pro Women finished in the twlight), teeing the Ams first because they were only playing 18 holes, and then starting the Pros on the back 6 while there were still 6 Am groups left to tee. That way, hopefully, the Pro groups would just fill in behind the last Am group.

This year, the scheduling should be a bit easier with 2 courses, depends on how many more entries we get.

Sunrise is a few minutes before 7, so we could tee off as early as 7. Sunset is around 6:25, so we'd want everyone off the course by 6:30 at the very latest, and earlier, if possible. We worked with Dan on the schedule last year, so I'm sure we'll get it worked out this year as well. There'll probably be better info on the schedule as soon as we know how many players we'll have for sure.

John Chapman
PDGA Competition Director

What is the limit of players you will take for each course/pool?

thanks

I am thinking about going to this. Who needs spring break when I could go here!

Problem is I would be traveling alone and can't afford to hotel by myself(obviously). If anyone has floor room in their hotel room or in their house I would be grateful if you could help me out. the cheapest airfare I could find would have me getting there wed. night and leaving monday. Please PM me if you can help me out, or know someone who could.

Thanks

What is the limit of players you will take for each course/pool?

thanks



Danny says he will cap each @ 200. Lets see if he sticks to that!

I just looked at the map of the Fountain. That is a map of the short course. The differences are, hole 2 goes past the big palm to old 13 basket, by the water. Added short hole 3(not shown), by the cabana. 7 is longer and by the water(great hole). 8 and 9 are combined and longer (another great hole), and 10 is longer.



thanks russ!!...

because of the ams playing shorter vista the pros started on the other side so that the baskets could be changed as the ams finished the holes and before the pros got there

you have to remember it was 3(yes 3)memorials ago when we had both courses....the last 2 were just vista..

i'm sure with both course and the daylight available...if it stays no more than 225 players or so it would work out fine...

i can't wait to check it out and yes it WILL BE nicer at vista to start on 1 than old hole a-c :D

see you there,
keith

How will the round ratings work for those am's playing from the shorter tees? Obviously the scores can not be compared to the advanced men scores. Any input from Chuck, Russel, etc. would be greatly appreciated :D

No problem as long the TD reports the different layouts properly in the TD report and which divisions played what layout, what round.

so if an Am. and Pro scored the same on a round at the same place same lay-out do they get the same rating?

Yes. It's only when two players play the same course in different rounds that they might get a different rating. The problem with tee time events like the Memorial is the weather conditions might be quite different for one division versus another who start and end so far apart in the sequence that the times they are on the course don't even overlap. But they would all get the same rating for the same score the way we do it now, assuming they played the same layout.

So.... what will the "pars" be for the amateur layouts at Vista & Fountain?

1. First I signed my twin brother up for this event and paid it for him, cause he lives out in the 4 corners area (NM/CO/AZ and whatever the 4th one is).

2. Then he tells me he doesn't want his first tournament to be an A tier, he wants me to play it in his place.

3. Today I signed up to play with him so we will both be advanced GM.

4. Now I'm thinking, this is gonna cost me several thousand dollars, airfair, hotels, lost time at work, and I'll probably get sunburned in Arizona.

My quesiton is, is this tournament worth spending a few thousand dollars like I said, or at least driving out there and living in my van to avoid hotel and air costs but that means living in a van and not taking a bath for 4 or 5 days.

Worth it?

yes

You say yes, you never smelled me after I live in a van for 5 days and no bath.

Deodorant at least ?

You say yes, you never smelled me after I live in a van for 5 days and no bath.



Just stand downwind from the fountain.

Deodorant at least ?



Patchouli oil and burn the clothes.

Yes it is worth the trip. Besides, can you put a price on being able to golf in March in shorts and tennis shoes? Make it a two-fer and play Vegas the weekend before.

No Climo, Feldberg, or Schultz aTTending?

Barry will be there according to him. Not sure about the other 2. Berg never answers his friggin phone!

You say yes, you never smelled me after I live in a van for 5 days and no bath.



What? Are you saying that you have NO FRIENDS that would allow you to use the shower in their room once in a while... :eek:
:D

The event is worth the trip.......YES it can get expensive.

:D

<font color="red"> Feld</font>Berg never answers his friggin phone!



Thats because he's ALWAYS on it.......

I saw Avery & Dave this weekend...This years version of the "Winnie Crew" (Feldberg, Jenkins & Sprague)will be at Both Vegas & Memorial......

Check is in the mail! Can't wait till next month now.... :cool:

Brad you hitting both Vegas and Memorial or just the Memorial???

Only the Memorial unfortunately! :(

Do manatees visit the 72 degree water in AZ? If so, Sayre and i will be there! :D

When do they post tee times? I know its a month away, just curious.

When do they post tee times? I know its a month away, just curious.


From Dan Ginnely: "we don�t worry about tee times tell about two weeks before the event."

:)

4. Now I'm thinking, this is gonna cost me several thousand dollars, airfair, hotels, lost time at work, and I'll probably get sunburned in Arizona.

My quesiton is, is this tournament worth spending a few thousand dollars like I said, or at least driving out there and living in my van to avoid hotel and air costs but that means living in a van and not taking a bath for 4 or 5 days.

Worth it?



SUP, can't find any old ladies to steal from???? You know, dupe them out of their life savings???? :eek: :eek:

1. First I signed my twin brother up for this event and paid it for him, cause he lives out in the 4 corners area (NM/CO/AZ and whatever the 4th one is).

2. Then he tells me he doesn't want his first tournament to be an A tier, he wants me to play it in his place.

3. Today I signed up to play with him so we will both be advanced GM.

4. Now I'm thinking, this is gonna cost me several thousand dollars, airfair, hotels, lost time at work, and I'll probably get sunburned in Arizona.

My quesiton is, is this tournament worth spending a few thousand dollars like I said, or at least driving out there and living in my van to avoid hotel and air costs but that means living in a van and not taking a bath for 4 or 5 days.

Worth it?



Yes it is worth it and im sure you can find someone who will let you use the shower in their hotel room while your down there.

And get hammered for free ?

4. Now I'm thinking, this is gonna cost me several thousand dollars, airfair, hotels, lost time at work, and I'll probably get sunburned in Arizona.

My quesiton is, is this tournament worth spending a few thousand dollars like I said, or at least driving out there and living in my van to avoid hotel and air costs but that means living in a van and not taking a bath for 4 or 5 days.

Worth it?



Not sure what you do for a living but unless 'south of the hurricane' means your driving from Brazil, not sure how your math adds up to thousands of $. I went to Worlds in Flagstaff for a week for less than $600. Bring a cooler and eat sandwiches, buy 6-packs instead of going to bars, use faucets instead of bottled water, etc etc. If you need tips of doing it cheap, I know 'em.
So, yes, it's worth it.
Pull the trigger and have a blast playing disc golf for the weekend with you brother!
peace,
-mikew

Do manatees visit the 72 degree water in AZ? If so, Sayre and i will be there! :D



I hear they have plenty of manatees! Come on and bring Sayre, Leyva, Schweb and the Minnesota crew is already there! I am in the process of looking for a similar spot like Stingrays! :D

Do manatees visit the 72 degree water in AZ? If so, Sayre and i will be there! :D



I hear they have plenty of manatees! Come on and bring Sayre, Leyva, Schweb and the Minnesota crew is already there! I am in the process of looking for a similar spot like Stingrays! :D

StingRay's......Hot Son.....HOT

KC is coming from what I hear as I am rooming with him and the brinster along with a couple others.

I figured he was, he is just not on the list.

KC is coming from what I hear as I am rooming with him and the brinster along with a couple others.


unless you get bumped and crash with smolin :eek:

Pelg and Vilmorin are rollin out...6|9

jdb i think ud get kicked out before me, "at least u got one nice shot" at me on this board

As of 1/29/06 there are 130 ams and 115 pros signed up.

104 days without rain.
temps this week 70-79 by the weekend, lows in the upper 40s, no wind, grass...brown and rollable

looks like there is now 148 signed up in open, I guess there are going to be a few ghost holes? Or R there going to be Tee times this year?

looks like there is now 148 signed up in open, I guess there are going to be a few ghost holes? Or R there going to be Tee times this year?



Come on now Schweb. You have played this the last two years in a row and your asking if there will be TEE TIMES???

Of course its tee times. 1 Round a day for three days with tee times AND the Fountain :D:D:D

should be interesting to see if Dano can get the rounds completed b4 dark.

Only cause it's you I'll post it again. 200 per field, 7 minute intervals, tee times starting at 7:30 or 8am. At 7:30 last group will tee at 1:12. At 8am start last group will tee off at 1:50. Vista plays about 3 hrs for most pros. Some will finish in less time. Fountain will take 2 hours to play. I still don't know for sure whether Dan will start at 7:30 or 8 yet. Sunset is at around 6:30 that time of year.

For anyone who is staying over past the Memorial, there is going to be an awesome band playing Monday March 6th at Dodge Theater. It's a band called Dream Theater. Tickets avail. at Dodgetheater.com

For anyone who is staying over past the Memorial, there is going to be an awesome band playing Monday March 6th at Dodge Theater. It's a band called Dream Theater. Tickets avail. at Dodgetheater.com



ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that's funny :D

Only cause it's you I'll post it again. 200 per field, 7 minute intervals, tee times starting at 7:30 or 8am. At 7:30 last group will tee at 1:12. At 8am start last group will tee off at 1:50. Vista plays about 3 hrs for most pros. Some will finish in less time. Fountain will take 2 hours to play. I still don't know for sure whether Dan will start at 7:30 or 8 yet. Sunset is at around 6:30 that time of year.



<font color="red">Oh sure....Cater to the Touring Card Holder. :eek:
:D</font>

Sheesh, Schwebby, has marriage begun to affect your memory already. :p
:D

Only cause it's you I'll post it again. 200 per field, 7 minute intervals, tee times starting at 7:30 or 8am. At 7:30 last group will tee at 1:12. At 8am start last group will tee off at 1:50. Vista plays about 3 hrs for most pros. Some will finish in less time. Fountain will take 2 hours to play. I still don't know for sure whether Dan will start at 7:30 or 8 yet. Sunset is at around 6:30 that time of year.



<font color="red">Oh sure....Cater to the Touring Card Holder. :eek:
:D</font>

Sheesh, Schwebby, has marriage begun to affect your memory already. :p
:D



Ever since he replaced me on the cover of the rules book that boy just hasn't been right! :D

Duke's porch rules!!

YES

you are still on there as well.

Hey Russ , is this tournament sold out yet ?

Hey Russ , is this tournament sold out yet ?



According to the Website Registration is now CLOSED...

I only see about mid 160's for each pool so Im not sure whats up with that. They did say around 200 per pool, I thought... :confused:

Im in...... :D

I will be playing OPEN at this event :D:D:D

I figure ill give someone else a chance to WIN in Advanced :eek:

Hey Russ , is this tournament sold out yet ?



According to the Website Registration is now CLOSED...

I only see about mid 160's for each pool so Im not sure whats up with that. They did say around 200 per pool, I thought... :confused:

Im in...... :D



From my understanding, there is a certain date that the T.D. has to hold 25 spots for touring players until 14 days before the event. Currently there are 176 spots filled on the website, so the people that currently register will start a waitlist and fill in those spots that touring players do not. That is my guess.... :)

Hey Russ , is this tournament sold out yet ?



According to the Website Registration is now CLOSED...

I only see about mid 160's for each pool so Im not sure whats up with that. They did say around 200 per pool, I thought... :confused:

Im in...... :D



From my understanding, there is a certain date that the T.D. has to hold 25 spots for touring players until 14 days before the event. Currently there are 176 spots filled on the website, so the people that currently register will start a waitlist and fill in those spots that touring players do not. That is my guess.... :)



Thats what I figured was the issue, There are still ALOT of players missing....Klimo, Shultz..etc.

Magilla, you ever heard of KC plastic... :DKen Climo is on the list, don't think Ken Klimo will be....I had to bust your balls before someone else did. Schultz isn't on there yet though...

Magilla, you ever heard of KC plastic... :DKen Climo is on the list, don't think Ken Klimo will be....I had to bust your balls before someone else did. Schultz isn't on there yet though...



:o

Dang, did I say that......I must still have that USDGC coverage from the PGA Tour show in my head

Sorry, KC.......See YA in AZ :D

112 days without rain :(

bring skin lotion, it's as dry as a popcorn fart out here :eek:

I see the Memorial is full. How many on the waiting list ?

When I checked the reg last night, there were more pros signed up than ams! (148 to 142, or something like that.)

Great job, pros! We don't usually see that kind of pre-reg.

When I checked the reg last night, there were more pros signed up than ams! (148 to 142, or something like that.)

Great job, pros! We don't usually see that kind of pre-reg.



It's all about the Pro's! ;)

When I checked the reg last night, there were more pros signed up than ams! (148 to 142, or something like that.)

Great job, pros! We don't usually see that kind of pre-reg.



I just checked the site, and it now has 176 pros, and 165 Ams.

Russell,

The disqman site says registration is now closed, but the pools aren't up to 200 each yet. Is there a mailbag full of entries waiting to be processed?

Not complaining, just wondering. :)

I see the Memorial is full. How many on the waiting list ?



Call the club direct for waitlist info: 480-946-9509

Russell,

The disqman site says registration is now closed, but the pools aren't up to 200 each yet. Is there a mailbag full of entries waiting to be processed?

Not complaining, just wondering. :)



Hey Rhett, this is from a previous post...this should be the reason.

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That would mean with the 25 spots, that would put them at 201 in the Open field. I am not quite sure about the Am side?

Russell,

The disqman site says registration is now closed, but the pools aren't up to 200 each yet. Is there a mailbag full of entries waiting to be processed?

Not complaining, just wondering. :)



Don't worry, we will be at 200 for both fields, maybe a little more on the pro side.

I am absolutly amazed at the amount of pros that have signed up. This tourney should be bumped to a MAJOR status.

Russell,

The disqman site says registration is now closed, but the pools aren't up to 200 each yet. Is there a mailbag full of entries waiting to be processed?

Not complaining, just wondering. :)



Don't worry, we will be at 200 for both fields, maybe a little more on the pro side.

I am absolutly amazed at the amount of pros that have signed up. This tourney should be bumped to a MAJOR status.



Thanks Russ !!!!! I'll give it a try.
Been on Jury Duty for almost a month and could not commit to leaving town until completed.

I am absolutly amazed at the amount of pros that have signed up. This tourney should be bumped to a MAJOR status.


GOOTS, a PDGA Major

Get
Out
Of
The
Snow

They should have a tournament of this magnitude in San Diego where the weather is perfect this time of year !!!!!

Snow ? Haven't even seen rain for months !!!!!

They should have a tournament of this magnitude in San Diego where the weather is perfect this time of year !!!!!


Nice use of the term "they".

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Spoke with Barry S today, he is out on the road, he will be in Vegas and Phoenix. 24 spots left. Oh and if your looking for my name in the register, look in the old man division, I will have my cane and wheelchair to take me to Dukes.

Can't wait to be back in the valley of the sun, I look forward to playing the revised Fountain. Thursday morning fountain round, afternoon at Vista, Russel take the day off....

Spoke with Barry S today, he is out on the road, he will be in Vegas and Phoenix. 24 spots left. Oh and if your looking for my name in the register, look in the old man division, I will have my cane and wheelchair to take me to Dukes.





Welcome to my world.......

I got a new job today, and they let me take Thursday and Friday off for the Memorial. Last year I got to Scottsdale at 3am on Fri, with a 7:50 tee time, played the course blind, and still had the time of my life. This year is going to be even better cause I get to play both courses, and I get to check out them out a day before!

So looking forward to this event. Have never played in such a large event. This year I'm taking my game up to another level. My goal is to not finish DFL @ The Memorial!! :cool: Last year was my first year playing OPEN. The previous year I played Int. Am.

Better get out and get some practice in. The snow has melted!!! :)

C U Later,
Koz

Team vapor geini in the house :D West sider bull rider ..Ant no half steppin :o:o:obig daddy cane......Spread the love....F18 takes a lickin and keeps in tickin.......I look forward to seeing my dg friends in the sun ,the east is diggin flakies########******** I hope the fountian course is worthy ,it was always a challenge.......Game on the season has begun......3 new courses soon in Mass, Washington ,and Fla........The corners will be coverd....I am redoing my website, to get it updated, lots of new stuff on the way....Last year was my best, courses in Fla, Chicago, Texas, Callie,and Iowa......I did pull Mission trails CA,Sarasota FL ,Wellington FL,and Classic 3 TX....all for different reasons....I am always looking for some help....The dream is getting bigger........

Rub the lamp, and the genie will appear :D


Better worry more about Vista than the Fountain. The Fountain is awesome, but this Vista course is the BEST Scottsdale has ever been. Now if they would just plant winter grass........

Russ you are truely disturbed ,but we like you that way,.Maybe the genie can help with my spellin Maybe he is the problem fur my spellin...?? :eek:

I be rubb'n the lamp and hope'n I make it to the sunshine a few days ealry. So Russ you say'n the Vista course would require more attention than a totally new layout at the Fountain? Crap not that it will matter, I think I've played golf 4 times since the Championship last October. Tried to play today in Seattle, rainy, depressing, and it gets dark way to soon....Want to bet on a freak storm this year.

I be rubb'n the lamp and hope'n I make it to the sunshine a few days ealry. So Russ you say'n the Vista course would require more attention than a totally new layout at the Fountain? Crap not that it will matter, I think I've played golf 4 times since the Championship last October. Tried to play today in Seattle, rainy, depressing, and it gets dark way to soon....Want to bet on a freak storm this year.



Well you do play 2 rds @ Vista. You definately need to see the Fountain, and you may want to play just for fun, because it is a fun layout. They didn't get the cement tees in, so they will have to change some of the tees.

The Fountain will be maybe a par 57 or 58, Vista is a 10000 foot monster 18 par 66, similar to (but not as nice) tha LaMirada long 18 set up, but with maybe more OB. Concentrate on getting 3s on the par 4s at vista, and you'll do well.

We're at 118 days of no rain. A freak storm would be just what the doctor ordered. See ya in a couple of weeks, unless of course you get a wild hair up your a## and come see us in Vegas $$$$

Seems there are a few local intermediate players that shouldn't be.

At some point you have to pay for success!

Seems there are a few local intermediate players that shouldn't be.

At some point you have to pay for success!



Im quite sure that those players were Int. BEFORE the ratings changed today :o
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Im also sure that the TD or an assoc. of said TD would handle it. ;)

Cant wait..... :cool:

I have pics of every hole at the fountain from the tees and a close up of the basket. I took these at the end of October when I was out there on a spy mission for the memorial.... I can put these online if people want me to do that. Not sure if the fountain tees I played were the ones we will be playing, I bet there are some longer tees out there......

Are there any course maps available online, or can someone send to me if you have them?

Are there any course maps available online, or can someone send to me if you have them?




If you look on page 8 of this thread you will find 2 good ariel photos of the courses that Chuck filled in the holes. It is pretty acurate and it might give you some idea of the layout. Also somewhere in this thread I posted all the distances for the Scottsdale course.

I'm driving from NY in a van, anybody needs a ride I can use a second driver. I'm leaving around sunday or monday before, like the 27 or 28 or whatever it is.

Seems there are a few local intermediate players that shouldn't be.

At some point you have to pay for success!



Intermediate - available to amateur players of all ages with player ratings < 915. Developing players who have played 2-3 years and are gaining consistency and experience. Throw 250-350 feet, make 5-7/10 putts from 20 feet, learning different shots. Score range: <63.

Seems there are a few local intermediate players that shouldn't be.

At some point you have to pay for success!



Intermediate - available to amateur players of all ages with player ratings < 915. Developing players who have played 2-3 years and are gaining consistency and experience. Throw 250-350 feet, make 5-7/10 putts from 20 feet, learning different shots. Score range: <63.



In defense to these postings, there is only one tournament rated, with only one good round in that tournament to skew the rating. On top of that in that tournament the int division did not have to play the OB rules so it really is an unfair rating. This rating system is pretty flawed without a few more rounds to get a true average to build on. I can attest to being an average at best int player who has only been playing for about 10 months now.
P.S. my last score in a tournament was 65/61 definitely not advanced level by any means :o Maybe next year�

Seems there are a few local intermediate players that shouldn't be.

At some point you have to pay for success!



Intermediate - available to amateur players of all ages with player ratings < 915. Developing players who have played 2-3 years and are gaining consistency and experience. Throw 250-350 feet, make 5-7/10 putts from 20 feet, learning different shots. Score range: <63.



In defense to these postings, there is only one tournament rated, with only one good round in that tournament to skew the rating. On top of that in that tournament the int division did not have to play the OB rules so it really is an unfair rating. This rating system is pretty flawed without a few more rounds to get a true average to build on. I can attest to being an average at best int player who has only been playing for about 10 months now.
P.S. my last score in a tournament was 65/61 definitely not advanced level by any means :o Maybe next year�



Regardless.........If the PDGA says your rating is 915 OR ABOVE then you MAY NOT Play INT...... PERIOD.........It really doesnt matter if youve played 1 event or 50. :p

:D

On top of that in that tournament the int division did not have to play the OB rules so it really is an unfair rating.



If one division plays under a different set of rules than another, they need to be rated separately. It's up to the TD to report this in the event report so the ratings are done properly. What event was this and we can check?

Just in case you guys down in the warmer states were thinking that you weren't getting the pre-tourney warm-ups you were hoping for. Had a fun practice round thursday afternoon, temp got up to a disc shattering 2 degrees. Last evening I was putting in the back yard got up to a wonderful -6. Can't wait to throw next week in temps above 20. Burrrr!!

Just in case you guys down in the warmer states were thinking that you weren't getting the pre-tourney warm-ups you were hoping for. Had a fun practice round thursday afternoon, temp got up to a disc shattering 2 degrees. Last evening I was putting in the back yard got up to a wonderful -6. Can't wait to throw next week in temps above 20. Burrrr!!



I know what you mean. It only got to 65 yesterday here in Phx....brrrrrrr. Didn't see the sun all day. You're laughin, but I had to put a sweater on, and I swear I felt a raindrop......... :D

Just in case you guys down in the warmer states were thinking that you weren't getting the pre-tourney warm-ups you were hoping for. Had a fun practice round thursday afternoon, temp got up to a disc shattering 2 degrees. Last evening I was putting in the back yard got up to a wonderful -6. Can't wait to throw next week in temps above 20. Burrrr!!



I know what you mean. It only got to 65 yesterday here in Phx....brrrrrrr. Didn't see the sun all day. You're laughin, but I had to put a sweater on, and I swear I felt a raindrop......... :D



65 in Phoenix is almost freezing !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just in case you guys down in the warmer states were thinking that you weren't getting the pre-tourney warm-ups you were hoping for. Had a fun practice round thursday afternoon, temp got up to a disc shattering 2 degrees. Last evening I was putting in the back yard got up to a wonderful -6. Can't wait to throw next week in temps above 20. Burrrr!!



I know what you mean. It only got to 65 yesterday here in Phx....brrrrrrr. Didn't see the sun all day. You're laughin, but I had to put a sweater on, and I swear I felt a raindrop......... :D



65 in Phoenix is almost freezing !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



My nipple indicators said it was... :o

its ONLY like -40 with the windshield up here in Wisconsin. 65 is like tropical weather to me. I cant wait to play down there in a few weeks!

its ONLY like -40 with the windshield up here in Wisconsin



Don't drive so fast! :o

Chuck,

I've spent the better part of the afternoon working on Memorial tee times, and I've checked with Dan G. on this one, who ran the Shelly Sharpe Memorial, which is the tournament in question. The INT division needs to be rated separately from the other divisions, as they played less OB (water only) at Vista, and played some shorter tees as well. You'll need to check with Dan for specifics.

The 2 players in question will be allowed to play Intermediate in the Memorial, as the corrections will likely move their rating below 915.

John Chapman
PDGA Competition Director

P.S. It's about 10 degrees here today in Kansas City, and going below zero tonight. BRRRR!

The Shelley Sharpe event has separate ratings each round for two course layouts, one with sidewalk OB and one without. It shows all Ams playing the easier OB and all Pros playing the tougher OB. So, unless the Intermediates played some even shorter tees than the Advanced, the ratings were done correctly. If they did play shorter ones, then we'll need to correct those Intermediate Decemebr ratings.

Dan told me the Int and Rec played shorter tees than the Advanced.

Chap

Played a practice round on the frozen tundra of Badlands here in Denver. Talk about cold. In the middle of some fairways we had to tee-off around snow boarders going down the big hills in the park. At tee-off it was 2 degrees!! :p When we finished the 27 holes it was......... 1 degree!! Good thing it wasn't too windy. Just a little that caused the wind chill to be at -13.

A week ago here it was in the 50's!! Feels like I'm back living in Montana this week. Gotta love it. Can't wait to play in Arizona. Just to play in normal clothing will be nice. Look forward to watching a disc fly in normal weather. Yesterday in the cold I was lucky to get one drive over 425. :mad:

Positive thing is I didn't crack any discs!!!!

C U Later,
Koz

Played a practice round on the frozen tundra of Badlands here in Denver. Talk about cold. In the middle of some fairways we had to tee-off around snow boarders going down the big hills in the park. At tee-off it was 2 degrees!! :p When we finished the 27 holes it was......... 1 degree!! Good thing it wasn't too windy. Just a little that caused the wind chill to be at -13.

A week ago here it was in the 50's!! Feels like I'm back living in Montana this week. Gotta love it. Can't wait to play in Arizona. Just to play in normal clothing will be nice. Look forward to watching a disc fly in normal weather. Yesterday in the cold I was lucky to get one drive over 425. :mad:

Positive thing is I didn't crack any discs!!!!

C U Later,
Koz



Let me ask you this.....................at what average temp. do normal discs crack at ?

Leaving wednesday for Vegas and I cant wait to get to Scottsdale for the Memorial.

Anyone have any floor space in a hotel them might be willing to sell. Not sure yet if I have a place to stay while im down there :eek: :eek: :eek:

Played a practice round on the frozen tundra of Badlands here in Denver. Talk about cold. In the middle of some fairways we had to tee-off around snow boarders going down the big hills in the park. At tee-off it was 2 degrees!! :p When we finished the 27 holes it was......... 1 degree!! Good thing it wasn't too windy. Just a little that caused the wind chill to be at -13.

A week ago here it was in the 50's!! Feels like I'm back living in Montana this week. Gotta love it. Can't wait to play in Arizona. Just to play in normal clothing will be nice. Look forward to watching a disc fly in normal weather. Yesterday in the cold I was lucky to get one drive over 425. :mad:

Positive thing is I didn't crack any discs!!!!

C U Later,
Koz



Let me ask you this.....................at what average temp. do normal discs crack at ?



I cracked a dx xd at McIver on the band from about 60-70' in the mid 30's..... :( :(

its ONLY like -40 with the windshield up here in Wisconsin. 65 is like tropical weather to me. I cant wait to play down there in a few weeks!



65 and about 10% humidity. Even the water in my shower feels dry :(

Going to get back in the upper 70s by the weekend.

This has been the warmest winter in NY history, the ground isn't even frozen, lakes either. It was 50 degrees 2 days ago so Ariozna won't be much of a change.

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?



No we arent but I leave for Vegas tomorrow!!! :D:D:D

its ONLY like -40 with the windshield up here in Wisconsin. 65 is like tropical weather to me. I cant wait to play down there in a few weeks!



65 and about 10% humidity. Even the water in my shower feels dry :(

Going to get back in the upper 70s by the weekend.



Dohhhhh !!!!!!! As long as it is not too dry !!!!
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MG1 for Morgan? Take it easy on my buddy Scot Jamison, will ya? :)

When are the Tee times gonna be posted?

When are the Tee times gonna be posted?



Ask and ye shall receive.

The tee times are posted now at pdga.com, and should be posted at disqman.com soon.

DISCLAIMER: These tee times are somewhat tentative. We'll be getting some adds and drops over the next few days. Your tee time may move between now and next Friday, but it shouldn't move more than 24 minutes one way or the other, and probably it'll only move 8 minutes if it moves at all. You may also get placed in a different group depending on whether or not we lose a group or have to add a group in your division.

Make sure you check your tee time on Thursday when you check in.

Chap

Where are the tee times posted on the PDGA site??? Thanks!!

C U Later,
Koz

Pro tee times can be found here:
Memorial Pro Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5452)

Am tee times can be found here:
Memorial Am Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5465)

PDGA TOUR :)

Pro tee times can be found here:
Memorial Pro Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5452)

Am tee times can be found here:
Memorial Am Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5465)



:cool:
Whoo, Hoo... 1:30 tee time for me....It looks like I'll be able to have breakfast with the Family, that will make them happy
:D
:D

Whoever determined the tee times, thanks a lot (not sarcastic). As a donator (hoping to cash) I appreciate the attempt to put a disc golf stud in each group. Makes the tournament even more worthwhile. Can't wait!

Also...I know Koz found this but the tee times are posted under the Memorial link on the PDGA Tour page.

MAD MAX

haha yea im playing with brinster the guy im staying with and I have played a bunch of rounds with since he lives like an hour away. Def. not complaining though

haha yea im playing with brinster the guy im staying with and I have played a bunch of rounds with since he lives like an hour away. Def. not complaining though



I don't know about this year, but usually we try to put people who are traveling together in the same starting time,or close, for the 1st round.


On another note, the weather is calling for temps on monday to be in the low 80s!! Lets hope it lasts all week.

Thanks for the response on the tee times. Was able to find it.

80???????????????? If that keeps up, I'll fry like bacon over the weekend. GOOD!! :cool:

Here in the Mile High City we are in a continued heat wave. It might reach 50 today!!!! :D

C U Later,
Koz

Wow, that wasn't at all what I expected.

Do you know the divisional order for Sunday? I'm hoping I have a tee-time somewhere close to my wife's on that day, and I'll switch divisions to help make it happen.

Not complaining, Russell. :) Just trying to plan my weekend. How about the divisional order for Saturday, too?

Thanks guys...I can't wait! 9:06 sure beats a pre-8am tee time.

Do you know the divisional order for Sunday?


Here's my guess:

<table border="1"><tr><td>Division(s)</td><td>Friday</td><td>Saturday</td><td>Sunday
</td></tr><tr><td>MA1</td><td>Middle</td><td>Early</td><td>Late
</td></tr><tr><td>MM1/MG1</td><td>Early</td><td>Late</td><td>Middle
</td></tr><tr><td>MA2/FW1/FW2</td><td>Late</td><td>Middle</td><td>Early</tr></td></table>

Rhett,

Sunday, we're shooting for this order (but this is NOT set in stone):

FW2
MA2
MG1
MM1
FW1
MA1

I'll try and post something about Saturday and Sunday down the line for both Pro and Am. I need to clear it with Dan first. Basically, I'm trying to avoid someone finishing their round at 6:00PM and then having to start the next morning at 7:30AM.

As far as the Friday tee assignments go, I'm responsible for those as well, so I'll take the blame or credit for those, take your pick. Will Kriewald, I figure someone who travels 2000 miles with someone shouldn't have to play with them in the first round, so I've switched you to another group. Actually, I tried to keep people from the same areas out of the same group, if possible, but there's so many Cali and Arizona people that wasn't always possible. I can definitely split up a Connecticut and a Joisey guy, though. You're still in back to back groups.

Chap

haha I was actually very happy to be playing with steve, figure we'll have lots to talk about during the round, but being in a similarly timed round and back to back is great too.

Basically, I'm trying to avoid someone finishing their round at 6:00PM and then having to start the next morning at 7:30AM.


That's an excellent goal in my book. :) Thanks for all your hard work on this.

Please don't take my info requests as complaints. There are four of us traveling together, and we are playing in three different divisions, so we're just looking for info to get a general plan in place.

John, I love who you paired me with! 3 world champs all in one group! woo hoo!

My question is, is there a map somewhere of both courses so we can view them as we play them on Thursday?

Pro tee times can be found here:
Memorial Pro Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5452)

Am tee times can be found here:
Memorial Am Registration (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5465)



what's gonna happen to the gm and senior pros who will not have a chance to finish on friday....2:45 start...minimum 4 hrs for the course(if no delays or back-ups) and twilight/darkness starting at 6:30

been there done that before and it is not fun at all...lose your momentum...start all over again the next day for a few holes and then wait several hours for your next "real" round to start :p

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st &amp; 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif

what's gonna happen to the gm and senior pros who will not have a chance to finish on friday....2:45 start...minimum 4 hrs for the course(if no delays or back-ups) and twilight/darkness starting at 6:30

been there done that before and it is not fun at all...lose your momentum...start all over again the next day for a few holes and then wait several hours for your next "real" round to start :p



Keith,

We're playing 18 holes at Vista and Fountain as opposed to 24 holes at Vista last year. We got through last year with some even later tee times, so I think we're going to be ok here. Even though the 18 holes are longer and on the same territory as the 24 holes were, the 18 should still play faster than the 24 did.

Chap

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...



Ill try not to bring the COLD with me..........Im quite sure the SNOW wont follow me there
:D

Hey Dave, When and where do you want to pick up that Match Play "Sparkle Tsunami"....Ill be at the Fountain Wed afternoon (I land at 2pm) and Vista Thursday afternoon.

Ill have extras for $15 if anyones interested :D

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...



What does Southern California know about rain, Let the PNW bring it and it will be Umbrellas and Waterproof Socks, Calf High!

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...



Ill try not to bring the COLD with me..........Im quite sure the SNOW wont follow me there
:D

Hey Dave, When and where do you want to pick up that Match Play "Sparkle Tsunami"....Ill be at the Fountain Wed afternoon (I land at 2pm) and Vista Thursday afternoon.

Ill have extras for $15 if anyones interested :D



I'll find you...

I'm bringin the rain with me...



What does Southern California know about rain?



As much as PNW's know about sunshine...

According to PDGA Radio, this event is scheduled for Feb 31st thru March 2nd. New calendar? (Fast forward to 16:00 in the show to hear it.)

According to PDGA Radio, this event is scheduled for Feb 31st



I was born on 2/31...

I just learned that the hotel room I had reserved at the 3 Palms Oasis (right on the Vista course) for four people, now has an opening. Right now it is myself and two other guys (one from NY like me and the other from CT). Two of us are playing intermediate, one's playing advanced.

The space is available on a first come-first served basis. Definitely send me a message, and I'll fill you on the details.

I know some of you have posted a need for a room, well here's your chance to snag one... :D

I'm bringin the rain with me...



What does Southern California know about rain?



As much as PNW's know about sunshine...



That sure is the truth, having lived in both!

VILIN is delivering scripture on this one

I'm bringin the rain with me...



What does Southern California know about rain?



As much as PNW's know about sunshine...



That sure is the truth, having lived in both!

VILIN is delivering scripture on this one



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Are there course maps anywhere on line here that we can print out?

Hey Michelle , this was sent to me .

http://publish.hometown.aol.com/ck34/images/memorial%20layout%202006.jpg

Except I believe they switched it so that hole #8 on the map will be hole #1 like it's numbered on the regular course.

Thats right !!!!

Here is another map !!!!

http://www.azdiscgolf.com/images/FountainHills-layout.jpg

what's gonna happen to the gm and senior pros who will not have a chance to finish on friday....2:45 start...minimum 4 hrs for the course(if no delays or back-ups) and twilight/darkness starting at 6:30

been there done that before and it is not fun at all...lose your momentum...start all over again the next day for a few holes and then wait several hours for your next "real" round to start :p



Keith,

We're playing 18 holes at Vista and Fountain as opposed to 24 holes at Vista last year. We got through last year with some even later tee times, so I think we're going to be ok here. Even though the 18 holes are longer and on the same territory as the 24 holes were, the 18 should still play faster than the 24 did.

Chap



john....you are forgetting that i KNOW the course at vista and how it plays time-wise and player-wise with all the ob's...that and the fact that players don't seem to want to tee off on a 1000 foot hole until the last person putts out in case they might hit them with their drive :p

last year there was also the fact that players STARTED across the way while the am's played the "short no ob course" in front of them....having ALL players playing ob on the course will DEFINATELY lengthen the time of playing and by having the times that late it will DEFINATELY threaten finishing before twilight i'm betting....and that's if there is no weather delays
adding 16 extra players added 32 minutes to the tee times pushing finishing times towards the darkness....

it won't personally affect me on friday and with the pro open i assume going last on sunday it may only affect me at the fountain course(which sometimes is better to play in the dark :D)

i'm just feeling sorry for those players as it sukks to have to deal with it as i and about 50 others had to do a couple of years ago

i'll see you there!

keith

i wish it was Wednesday already...can't wait to be back down in AZ...fun times around the bend. peace.

Are hole lengths available for the short tees for #4, #5 and #17 at Vista and for the Fountain holes we're playing?

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...


I sure hope so! Hey, you still have my umbrella? I loaned it to you and haven't seen it since then! I think I gave it to you for worlds or something last year!

Are there course maps anywhere on line here that we can print out?



I found this on the flagstaff message board..
http://image51.webshots.com/51/8/73/29/2555873290086408542iSoVVJ_fs.jpg

Heres the link in case that did not work...
http://image51.webshots.com/51/8/73/29/2555873290086408542iSoVVJ_fs.jpg
or
http://community.webshots.com/photo/547931118/2555873290086408542iSoVVJ

San Diego is supposed to get rain March 1st & 2nd. Hope this does not travel toward Phoenix by that weekend.

Play anyways !!!!! http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif



I'm bringin the rain with me...


I sure hope so! Hey, you still have my umbrella? I loaned it to you and haven't seen it since then! I think I gave it to you for worlds or something last year!



No...I gave it back to you along with your Helly Hansen jacket...Nice try though.

The black and white map previously posted should be the one to use. Here is an unofficial preview of the first nine teesigns:

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/front_9/

All of us out of state/non-local players really appreciate the information/maps of the course. One question, is the layout/map of the Fountain course that has been pointed to and posted as it will be on tournament day, or will it be different?

Wow, the sign maps are very nice! Thanks for posting the link. Very helpfull (and intimidating) for some of us, lol. OMG ... look at all that OB and WATER! Yikes! :p Are divers going to be posted at those holes for disc retrieval? HA HA!

The black and white map previously posted should be the one to use. Here is an unofficial preview of the first nine teesigns:

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/front_9/


I'm salivating!

OMG ... look at all that OB and WATER! Yikes! :p Are divers going to be posted at those holes for disc retrieval? HA HA!


That's kind of a standing joke here, that we travel to the middle of the desert to lose our discs in the water.

Where is Duke's Bar and Grill??

Link or directions, please.

I played Vista many years ago and when I started taking my shoes and socks off to get a disc I was told that the local police ride up and down the sidewalk and write tickets for getting in the water, no warnings. So, will there be retrieval devices or spotters with such a device to assist in getting disc back in the allotted time. Or will someone go in at different times of the day and put them in a lost and found area. Or are there local kids foaming at the mouth ready to grab as many as they can just to turn around and sell them after we head back home.
I know I've been told to bring many backups or/and cash to buy more, but I only have and can afford so many.
just curious,
-MW
yea, I know, just stay out of the water and it doesn't matter, but ya' gotta go for it sometimes too /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I don't believe you are allowed to go in at Vista and you better not go in at the Fountain (or risk severe chemical attack on your shoes and feet, and possibly get cooties). But there are those doing some plastic fishing from the shore at Vista and even some, I'm pretty sure, that execute stealth missions out in the water when the patrol isn't watching. There will be some spotters that may try to save your disc if it's just hitting near the edge or barely slipping in.

For some reason it's tough to find a wide variety of Innova replacement discs for sale at the DISCRAFT Memorial. So, if that's what you throw, even more important to bring backups.

I played Vista many years ago and when I started taking my shoes and socks off to get a disc I was told that the local police ride up and down the sidewalk and write tickets for getting in the water, no warnings. So, will there be retrieval devices or spotters with such a device to assist in getting disc back in the allotted time. Or will someone go in at different times of the day and put them in a lost and found area. Or are there local kids foaming at the mouth ready to grab as many as they can just to turn around and sell them after we head back home.
I know I've been told to bring many backups or/and cash to buy more, but I only have and can afford so many.
just curious,
-MW
yea, I know, just stay out of the water and it doesn't matter, but ya' gotta go for it sometimes too /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Thanks for the map folks! Am having some printing issues w/them getting them all on one page, but heck, I appreciate the effort!! :D:D

My how things have changed... when I was a kid in the 70's we used to swim in those lakes (at Vista) and retrieve softballs the neighbor kids would hit to us. The water was much cleaner back then... before the great flood of '72 that created the entire wash from north scottsdale all the way into tempe. All those darn freeways now really screw me up too every time I go back there!

2 fun things to do on your free time - go to the Greyhound Race Track - either on Washington or Van Buren. The greyhounds race around a track chasing a fake rabbit...that they can't catch... poor things...

and then there's the Golden Eagle Restaurant at the top of the tallest building downtown Phoenix. The building used to be called the Valley National Bank building but that's probably changed too. But I'm sure the restaurant is still up there. Having cocktails while the sun goes down over the Valley is really something cool to witness. :D:D

Are the ams using the same OB as the pros?

Michelle,

Right-click the map and save it somewhere. Then open it with a good program like Word or any Photo program, and print it out on the fit-to-page option.

Where is Duke's Bar and Grill?????????

morgan.........
it's actually in a shopping center that borders the course on the one end(original part)of the course with a balcony that overlooks hole 8 in the memorial configuration(original short hole 12)...and with tee times there is always a crowd of disc golfers to cheer,jeer,or heckle people on the teepad....

pretty much if you see ANY baskets and you see ANY people with discs when you are at vista,i would be willing to bet you a million dollars they can show you where duke's is!

see you there!
keith

Where is Duke's Bar and Grill?????????



It borders the 8th Fairway at Vista....Impossible to miss it.

Great place to celebrate after your round...also a good place for cheering or jeering...your preference.. ;)

:D

Rain in San Diego for Monday and Tuesday, but none predicted for Phoenix for the whole week. Let's hope that holds up.

Here is the link to the overall map at vista in PDF format:

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/Final%20Map%202006%20Vista_2.pdf

Barley

Can't wait to get to this tourney.... Interesting to see how tight the ropes will be on the OB... and if the wind picks up, it will be fun to watch people go krazy!!

....Interesting to see how tight the ropes will be on the OB...


I thought it was a pretty tight layout just making all the sidewalks OB (when I didn't have to play it that way). How much tighter are the ropes going to make it?

the holes coming back from duke's look like they have ropes on the map... I'm not sure but they look much longer and much tighter

Where is Duke's Bar and Grill?????????



It borders the 8th Fairway at Vista....Impossible to miss it.

Great place to celebrate after your round...also a good place for cheering or jeering...your preference.. ;)

:D


what ....do you have me on ignore???
i just said that 3 HOURS!!! before you did....

still bitter are you?? :D

Here are all 18 teesigns. This is a preview and is not official, but almost complete. I still have to make some minor changes. Please reply with feedback if you see some errors.

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/teesigns/

If anyone is passing through Flagstaff on Tuesday afternoon, we have league play at Thorpe Park at 4:00.

Click here for directions. (http://azdiscgolf.com/flagstaff.php)

I thought the first hole was over 1000 feet at Vista. Saw that some where earlier in a post. :confused: Just cerious as the pictures of each hole differ from a different post.

C U Later,
Koz

how wide are the fairways on say like hole 12? Is there yellow rope to make them tighter this year, it looks like on the sign that they are like 50 feet wide.

I thought the first hole was over 1000 feet at Vista.



They decided to go with the normal numbering so number 8 on the earlier map is now #1 which is regular #1 on the course.

If a disc goes in the water what are the odds of retrieving it? I don't want to lose my favorite discs but I don't want to throw only backups either. . ..

Here are all 18 teesigns. This is a preview and is not official, but almost complete. I still have to make some minor changes. Please reply with feedback if you see some errors.

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/teesigns/




GREAT JOB on the signs chris!!!

looks like the safest bet will be a roc/buzz 3 times down the middle and a putter on the 12 or so narrow holes out of the 18...

see you in 5 days,
keith

Hey chris
Man that course looks sweet and nice job on the signs. Thanks for all the work to make us feel like we are at a "major" event. Landing in phnx in 48 hrs! I think Roc up the middle looks like an accurate assesment Keith. Wait and see if the wind blows like I know it can........

see yall soon

I am still looking for a roomy for the Memorial. If any ladies are still looking for a place to stay, let me know.

Kathy Manley

If a disc goes in the water what are the odds of retrieving it? I don't want to lose my favorite discs but I don't want to throw only backups either. . ..



Vista:

If there is no flooding, and no one has stirred up the mud, you will be able to get any disc within reach of a retriever. In between rounds, I would think that the local rakers would be out and would rake the major water holes. There will probably be "recon retreivers" who wade in the pond to get them out of the middle. This is illegal, and is at a minimum a ticket, yet they do their work at night.

Fountain:

Unless you are within 3 feet good luck :(. Rakers don't work either.

They are still very playable, most of them are at least 100' ft wide or so, and they dont start to get narrow until you get closer to the basket, so your first throws are generally pretty safe still. Diffenently a challenge but still fun! :D
As far as retrieving, you are probably 50/50 depending on which lake you go out on, and how far out, some of them are prettty shallow for a while...

They are still very playable, most of them are at least 100' ft wide or so, and they dont start to get narrow until you get closer to the basket, so your first throws are generally pretty safe still. Diffenently a challenge but still fun! :D
As far as retrieving, you are probably 50/50 depending on which lake you go out on, and how far out, some of them are prettty shallow for a while...



thanks for the feed back... sounds like a blast!!!

I am still looking for a roomy for the Memorial. If any ladies are still looking for a place to stay, let me know.

Kathy Manley



Kathy, Jimmy not playing? I was looking forward to seeing you guys. What's the deal? Let me or Steve know what your arrangements are....or aren't.
Dez

Three Points:

1) As posted earlier, I still have a space available in my hotel room for at least one person. Right now there are three guys (myself included). Anyone is welcome :D

2) My friend Mike is playing advanced, and as such, has an early tee time on Friday. I was thinking about caddying for him, and him for me later in the afternoon as I'm playing intermediate. This would give us both a bit of extra energy, plus the chance to play the course with another set of eyes and opinions. Any rules against this?

3) Obviously the collar rule is in effect for the pros. Is it in effect for the ams as well?

I'd like to request a torrential downpour for all 3 days...If anyone has access to a Tesla-like weather machine, or knows anyone at the H.A.A.R.P project, please forward my request.

I'd like to request a torrential downpour for all 3 days...If anyone has access to a Tesla-like weather machine, or knows anyone at the H.A.A.R.P project, please forward my request.


I'm down for that too, the more water the better, for OB and for all you expecting nice sunny southwest weather! Let it Rain! RRRRAAAIIINNNN!!!!!

If a disc goes in the water what are the odds of retrieving it? I don't want to lose my favorite discs but I don't want to throw only backups either. . ..



In my experience...If its a "regular" ol' disc you'll get it back and rather quick too. BUT if its a "Valuable" disc, dont count on getting it back. :mad:

Kinda SUX.. :p

If a disc goes in the water what are the odds of retrieving it? I don't want to lose my favorite discs but I don't want to throw only backups either. . ..



In my experience...If its a "regular" ol' disc you'll get it back and rather quick too. BUT if its a "Valuable" disc, dont count on getting it back. :mad:

Kinda SUX.. :p



Seriously though,....If you dont want to lose it...Dont throw it in the water.. :p
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I'd like to request a torrential downpour for all 3 days...If anyone has access to a Tesla-like weather machine, or knows anyone at the H.A.A.R.P project, please forward my request.



You guys can keep your rain us desert rats are looking for sun shine with a little breeze.

Found the tee times!

Also, if the TD is checking these posts, I still see some 915+ rated players in intermediate and was wondering when you were bumping them up to advanced. I just spent the last 3 days getting my #$*&amp;$! kicked here in Vegas and I would like to actually play against people on my level (you know the lower level, where we still short putt 15 footers).

Here are all 18 teesigns. This is a preview and is not official, but almost complete. I still have to make some minor changes. Please reply with feedback if you see some errors.

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~cbk/disc_golf/memorial/teesigns/



Ssswwweeettt.... :cool:

Do you have any for the Fountain??

:)

I'd like to request a torrential downpour for all 3 days...If anyone has access to a Tesla-like weather machine, or knows anyone at the H.A.A.R.P project, please forward my request.



You guys can keep your rain us desert rats are looking for sun shine with a little breeze.




I would prefer a gnarly storm over perfect conditions anyday during a tournament, it brings out your true skills.

Where is Duke's Bar and Grill?????????



It borders the 8th Fairway at Vista....Impossible to miss it.

Great place to celebrate after your round...also a good place for cheering or jeering...your preference.. ;)

:D



Specifically, corner of McDowell Road and cross street is Miller Road.

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I would prefer a gnarly storm over perfect conditions anyday during a tournament, it brings out your true skills.

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if it make you fill better you can have people throw buckets of water on you while you play so you can display your true skills
the rest of us will settle for blue skys and sunshine :D

Keep your buckets to yourself...Others have expressed similar sentiments as mine, so hopefully the gov't is seeding the clouds.

Dez,

He was going to be there but will need the time to work instead. It is unfortunate, I'll miss him. I am just trying to cut costs since it will just be me now.

Local weather is calling for 30 to 40% chance of rain tues. thru wednesday. The rest of the week should be in the mid 70s with light to moderate wind.

One can hope...

how wide are the fairways on say like hole 12? Is there yellow rope to make them tighter this year, it looks like on the sign that they are like 50 feet wide.



It won't be yellow rope. The OB line will be painted lines with flags so you can see from the tee. We will be re-painting these lines all weekend because of the traffic and the dry grass. The lines are painted now for play. The fairways look pretty narrow, but most still use drivers and rollers off the tee.

All baskets at the fountain are going to be upgraded to chainstars by wednesday. All the old baskets are there now for play.

Dez,

He was going to be there but will need the time to work instead. It is unfortunate, I'll miss him. I am just trying to cut costs since it will just be me now.



Kathy, you have a PM... :D:D

I- we They .....have activated the HYPER-Ionization P38 earth hydrozynator-module device. You should be feeling a band of moisture heading through Cali now and a large dose of drops heading into AZ. soon. Get the sandbags out, forget OB, try not to fall on the run-up. Ahhhhh, cant wait!
:cool:

i've never been to either course, so this may seem like a dumb question, but are all the tee pads concrete or natural? or is there a mixture of both.

I- we They .....have activated the HYPER-Ionization P38 earth hydrozynator-module device. You should be feeling a band of moisture heading through Cali now and a large dose of drops heading into AZ. soon. Get the sandbags out, forget OB, try not to fall on the run-up. Ahhhhh, cant wait!
:cool:



That's what I'm talkin bout...

i've never been to either course, so this may seem like a dumb question, but are all the tee pads concrete or natural? or is there a mixture of both.

<font color="red"> a mixture of both. </font>

Local weather is calling for 30 to 40% chance of rain tues. thru wednesday. The rest of the week should be in the mid 70s with light to moderate wind.


please let there be sun, no wind, perfect play'n conditions. Hang'n in Chico, CA., Noah build the arch!, the rain won't stop, the parking lot at the hotel is a lake, at times the windshield wipers cannot keep up with the water coming from the sky, and the pizza delivery guy has delivered my pie with water dripp'n out of the box.

Wednesday can't come to soon....

Should be OK..................raining in San Diego now , but passes over the mountains and across the desert quickly.

Keep watching the weather channel for updates.
http://www.weather.com/index.html

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Also, if the TD is checking these posts, I still see some 915+ rated players in intermediate and was wondering when you were bumping them up to advanced. I just spent the last 3 days getting my #$*&$! kicked here in Vegas and I would like to actually play against people on my level (you know the lower level, where we still short putt 15 footers).



Read page 35 of this thread for your answer....

Really like those tee signs for Vista!!! :cool: Anyway to get those for Fountain?? :p That would really be cool!! :cool::cool:

C U Later,
Koz

The Vista Signs are awesome!!
Thanks for posting the Tee-Times and keeping everyone informed about everything... flight leaves tomorrow a.m.
SPARKS!!!!

I printed out those hole maps for Vista and was looking at the layout. Yowza. I'm thinking five 200 foot shots and a putt for six might be a good plan for the 1000 footer with the 10 inch fairway. :)

Dez,

He was going to be there but will need the time to work instead. It is unfortunate, I'll miss him. I am just trying to cut costs since it will just be me now.



Thats too bad. You will have to bring a trophy home for the Manley family ;)...see you there...good luck!

I grabbed all the T-sign images and overall map of Vista, and the map of Fountain and made a cool slideshow ... put it on my Video iPod, and can view it on my big TV (or any tv with video/audio jacks) ... it's awesome, lol. I'm way to psyched. It's a beautiful day in Colorado .... But I gotta get out of here!
Leaving for Phoenix tomorrow morning!

Thanks Keith.
It's raining in Vegas right now but at least there is an end in sight. just 2 more days of work and then its go time. :cool:

Hey can you link the I-pod file or email it to me please? [email protected] would be nice to check out on the big screen at work.
If Boneman hooks us up, any and all San Diego golfers head on over for a beer and check it out.

Hey can you link the I-pod file or email it to me please? [email protected] would be nice to check out on the big screen at work.
If Boneman hooks us up, any and all San Diego golfers head on over for a beer and check it out.


What time?

Done ... have fun!

I forgot to mention, I hold the copyright on the teesigns for Vista. If you plan to republish them, I would like give me credit in the podcast, and as payment, a beer at Dukes!

We finally got some rain if Flagstaff today...

See you in the Valley,
Barley

I forgot to mention, I hold the copyright on the teesigns for Vista. If you plan to republish them, I would like give me credit in the podcast, and as payment, a beer at Dukes!

We finally got some rain if Flagstaff today...

See you in the Valley,
Barley



can i buy you a pepsi at duke's for all your hard work on the stuff for this event??? :D

Ain't no fool gettin' me on a plane. Planes are made fo rich folk, blue diamond almonds and such. I pity the foo.........Ouch, hey was that a needle.
Heck, no. I'll walk there. i mea n I hav en 't eveeeeeeeeeeeeen

mus t fi ght sleeeeeeeep, tired, what the?

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Also, if the TD is checking these posts, I still see some 915+ rated players in intermediate and was wondering when you were bumping them up to advanced. I just spent the last 3 days getting my #$*&amp;$! kicked here in Vegas and I would like to actually play against people on my level (you know the lower level, where we still short putt 15 footers).

Read page 35 of this thread for your answer....



ok i know you are trying to make chapman and dan feel better about this but even given differences in the ratings..."possibly" sam russ could be rated under 915 with the redo....but sean cullum is 12 POINTS OVER and a few shorter teepads will NOT drag his rating down below 915...
nice try though with quoting someone who has problems with timing daylight :eek:

i'm just ready to play some golf after 4 months of not playing disc golf except for 36 total holes in one day in december....
i'm anxious to see if my retirement tour(all the top names do it :D) will be profitable as my retirement tournament last november in vegas was!

see you guys in 3 days!!!!!
keith

by the way sean..i'm not picking on the fact that you are protecting what you believe to be true, but every player out there probably knows someone with a similar story...

doesn't change what is right......and what the pdga claims is the rating break for int players...except in az

it just makes it more difficult for other td's who are following the rules

by the way sean..i'm not picking on the fact that you are protecting what you believe to be true, but every player out there probably knows someone with a similar story...

doesn't change what is right......and what the pdga claims is the rating break for int players...except in az

it just makes it more difficult for other td's who are following the rules



It's not what I believe to be true... It is a fact that the ratings were done incorrectly.
Fact 3 holes were shorter than advanced
Fact we did not play 1 one hole in the first round due to a flag football game, so the score for that round is at least 3 strokes lower. (If I read the ratings correctly it is roughly 5-10 points per stroke??) :confused: So that is 15-30 depending on the SSA either way it puts the rating below 915, then if they do adjust for the three holes, even if it is only 1 or 2 strokes, that is still at least 5-10 points per round lower, so that is at least the 15 for the one less hole, and at least 5 points for at least one stroke SSA lower per round for int course, so it is at least 20 points lower, which would fall in line with an average int player rating finishing 4th in int or last in advanced
Now just an observation, if we did play the same course, I was second to last in advanced anyways and I was 4th in intermediate, :( so it is not like I am sandbagging or even close to advanced level so I am a little defensive to being forced into a division that is truly full of sandbagging pros :p

Flying out in two hours. whooo hooo!

by the way sean..i'm not picking on the fact that you are protecting what you believe to be true, but every player out there probably knows someone with a similar story...

doesn't change what is right......and what the pdga claims is the rating break for int players...except in az

it just makes it more difficult for other td's who are following the rules



It's not what I believe to be true... It is a fact that the ratings were done incorrectly.
Fact 3 holes were shorter than advanced
Fact we did not play 1 one hole in the first round due to a flag football game, so the score for that round is at least 3 strokes lower. (If I read the ratings correctly it is roughly 5-10 points per stroke??) :confused: So that is 15-30 depending on the SSA either way it puts the rating below 915, then if they do adjust for the three holes, even if it is only 1 or 2 strokes, that is still at least 5-10 points per round lower, so that is at least the 15 for the one less hole, and at least 5 points for at least one stroke SSA lower per round for int course, so it is at least 20 points lower, which would fall in line with an average int player rating finishing 4th in int or last in advanced
Now just an observation, if we did play the same course, I was second to last in advanced anyways and I was 4th in intermediate, :( so it is not like I am sandbagging or even close to advanced level so I am a little defensive to being forced into a division that is truly full of sandbagging pros :p



you forget i was at that event also...i know what was going on...

i'm not saying that it not wrong what happened,but it should be corrected BEFORE the tournament so that so are shown corrected ratings before tee time

i also know how you feel about better players in your division...
i can't even hideout in the masters division as out of 61 players 30(yes 30)have ratings that are 990 or higher...with 12 being rated OVER 1000 :eek:

there is less or close tothe same number of 990 and higher guys in the open division which has 100 players in it!

but i'll just play my game and we'll see what happens at the end of the three rounds

see you there
keith

you forget i was at that event also...i know what was going on...

i'm not saying that it not wrong what happened,but it should be corrected BEFORE the tournament so that so are shown corrected ratings before tee time

i also know how you feel about better players in your division...
i can't even hideout in the masters division as out of 61 players 30(yes 30)have ratings that are 990 or higher...with 12 being rated OVER 1000 :eek:

there is less or close tothe same number of 990 and higher guys in the open division which has 100 players in it!

but i'll just play my game and we'll see what happens at the end of the three rounds

see you there
keith

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Just my opinion, but it seems that there should be a minimum amount of tournaments before your rating should be enforced, like 3 or something, the rating is similar to a handicap system which would also need a couple of scores to make accurate.

Anyway, if they force the int division to move up, then all the players 955+ according to guide would have to move from advanced to pro, there are at least 5 of them. Being an average int player as of right now I would not look forward to paying out that much money to play against pros and have to battle from being on the bottom card, does not sound like a good time to me�

I have to agree that I don't want to play with sandbagging pros either. However when I am on my home course I do play advanced and I do get beat by some int. players that is just how it goes. I hope that I play well enough to play with some of the higher rated inter. players.

Confucius say "only way to improve oneself is to learn from those around you."

1 more day of work, can't wait to get on the road and go play a practice round @ fountain tomorrow.

by the way i in no way meant to stir the pot I just wasn't sure what was going on. Lets have some fun and go throw.

so I am a little defensive to being forced into a division that is truly full of sandbagging pros :p


Come on up buddy, we'll be nice! :p

I'm outta here in a few hours!!!

Sitting in the airport as I type this. Man, it's been a long time coming. See you all there!

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Come on up buddy, we'll be nice! :p

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This coming from a bagger advanced!!! He just wants more in his division while he kicks us little guys rear ends!

I thought SoCal was going to form like VOLTRON? I was going to be the left foot. Now how am I supposed to kick it?

http://media.movieweb.com/news/07.2005/voltron.jpg
Yellow Lion: Piloted by Hunk. Forms the left leg of Voltron. The Yellow Lion sits in the middle of the desert in a cave.

I'm outta here in a few hours!!!



t-minus 7.5 hours til takeoff

I thought SoCal was going to form like VOLTRON? I was going to be the left foot. Now how am I supposed to kick it?


I'll let you be the right foot. Chiapat can be the right forearm, and gomez can be the butt.

Gomez will be whoever the chick was, if I remember there was a chick, there always is a chick, and it would definitely be Gomez.

Gomez will be whoever the chick was, if I remember there was a chick, there always is a chick, and it would definitely be Gomez.

Why? Because he is so **** HOTT !?

He is always on the phone like a chick!

Sitting in the airport as I type this. Man, it's been a long time coming. See you all there!


Bring those dollar bills, I need 'em to pay Gomez. :)

Uh.....that didn't sound right.

The wife and i should be in Phoenix by 2pm tomorrow,want to go play the fountian when we get there :D

Sitting in the airport as I type this. Man, it's been a long time coming. See you all there!


Bring those dollar bills, I need 'em to pay Gomez. :)

Uh.....that didn't sound right.



:eek:

less than 3 hours until work is over and I am going to get ready to leave.

I hope all my vegas boys are ready for the road trip. :cool:

FYI - One of our party has dropped out so it looks like there will be at least one opening for the first person on their waiting list. However, I can't remember if he was signed up for pro or masters dudes but he's definitely NOT an am.

NC has some playas going out to AZ
Good luck to Mike Hofmann and Adam Olsen in the Open division and Carlton Howard, Larry Leonard, and Kirk Yoo in the Masters Division
They should rep NC well.

The weather is looking really nice for the Phoenix /Scottsdale area !!!!

http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/fitness/weather/hrbyhr/?parkId=14313

If these players win, then argue that it isnt fair, but dont argue something that hasnt happened yet, do your best and beat them, then this will prove you were right or wrong

Yeah baby the Fountain is back, Vista may not have yellow rope, but it has pink flags and blue spray paint. Anybody shooting in the 50's will have a smoke'n round for these 18 holes. Top doubles round was a 56, not the most talented field with most pros choosing to sit doubles out. But Dukes has like 300 disc golfers in and around. It's a mecca...Kind of miss my buddies from NC, but "Discraft" Larry is trying to make up for it. Peace out, from the valley of the sun, <small gotta get sunblock> :D

Are they going to have scoring updates each day? Sorry if this has already been discussed. Keep an eye out for Will Schusterick playing in Int.

With the staff and marshals that are there, I would expect regular updates all day long as the groups come in. All scores have to be posted each day because tee times need to be assigned for the next day

Scores are starting to roll in...

http://www.pdgatour.com/results.php?Div=MPO

I think that 58 looks awful hot with a preliminary 1060 rating. I think there are a few par 4s and 5s out there that should be reflected in the par for the course being entered as more than 54 in the online software so the over/under looks reasonable.

Before Keith gets back on here, looks like he was right. I talked with Brian Donahue waiting near the tee after he took an hour to play just the first three holes in Climo's group. They had a four group backup on the 1000' hole #4 with two mandos. Looks like they'll need the flashlights for the old guys teeing off now.

Someone let me know when the Mills v Barry card comes in. I got trillion to one odds riding on Mills if he beats Barry first round. I only put up a penny, but that's still 10 billion if Mills wins and the other side of the bet doesn't welch.

You'll probably get thru dinner and maybe Wheel of Fortune before those scores come in...

2004 Champ Timmy Gill is in the hunt. Keep it up TG!