Pro Weekend PDGA A Tier Event
Nov 5 & 6, 2005
96 Player Limit
Divisional limits are firm until October 29
First com First serve after October 29,2005
Field Limits and Entry Fee's:
Open Men (48 Players)...........$105
Open Women (12 Players).......$105
Open Master (28 Players).........$70
Open Grand Master (8 Players).$70
Ace Golf in the Oaks!
Ace Pot $5
Ace Golf $5

Amateur Weekend PDGA B Tier event
October 8 & 9, 2005
120 Player Limit.
All Advanced Am divisions...........$60
All Intermediate Divisions...................$45
All Recreational Divisions.....................$35
All Juniors..................................$20
Ace Golf in the Oaks CTP's Galore!!
All players on Pro Weekend must be a current PDGA Member
Am weekend NON PDGA pays $5 extra.
ADGA
P.O. Box 120921
Arlington, TX 76012
Ace Pot $5
Ace Golf $5

Here you guys go! Friday Doubles for all divisions both weekends! Doubles start at 3 pm and last card out at 5pm or so.

Saturday registration until 9 am both weekends with no late fee's. We should have someone to order lunch from. You must order before the start of the first and third rounds. Am players package will include a disc and T-shirt. Pro weekend players package is a T-shirt. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or call 817-690-1077.

Thanks Rhett!

One of these years I'm going to play this tourney. :D

This one is always a blast! I especially enjoy the Ace Golf in the Oaks after the last round. Nothing but ace runs for 36 holes. And the keg is only a few feet away... :D

Get out here Rhett, I'm sure we could find a place for you to crash.

Brian

I can't wait to get up there and see my Northern brothers!
Terry send me flyers/forms and I'll push a strong South showing

Amateur Weekend PDGA B Tier event
October 8 & 9, 2005
120 Player Limit.
All Advanced Am divisions...........$60
All Intermediate Divisions...................$45
All Recreational Divisions.....................$35
All Juniors..................................$20
Ace Golf in the Oaks CTP's Galore!!
All players on Pro Weekend must be a current PDGA Member
Am weekend NON PDGA pays $5 extra.
ADGA
P.O. Box 120921
Arlington, TX 76012
Ace Pot $5
Ace Golf $5





Are these dates right? This weekend for AMs?

Yes, that is correct.

so whats the layout/format gonna be for this shindig?

dito

and the weather is going to be great :D

Weather looking GREAT!

AND they put the Texas A&M game at 6pm televised on Saturday...shouldn't miss a minute. As for the Red River blow-, I mean shoot-out, guess I'll catch the highlights.

I think it is from short/short to long/long, but I could be completely backwards. If I am then it would be long/long to short/short.
short/short = short (wed night) tee pads to short pins
then next round = long tee pads to short pins
then next round = long tee pads to long pins
then next round = long tee pads (with some champ tee pads) to long pins
Again, I could be wrong, but Terry announced it a couple minis ago. Plus, it would be the same as last year, but that is a whole year ago.

The format will not include the Wednesday night tee pads. Long pads to short pins first round.
Long pads to half long pins second round.
Long pads with a couple Champ pads to all long pins third round and the rest of the Champ pads to long pins the fourth round.

So it's not 24 holes x 3 rounds like in years past? If it is still the same, I don't think we used any Wednesday night pads. It would be disappointing if we did...although it's quicker, those pads aren't very challenging.


Is there a reason the entry fees are so high? Not that it's what would keep me from playing, but I know there's probably 10 or so locals that would consider playing if fees were closer to other B-tiers.

well, I did say I could be wrong :)
anyway, guys you got your answer from the guy who knows
come on out and then you'll know the format, too. May be unlike me, you'll remember the format to the next year.

so when is the ace thing going to happen?? is there going to be 5 rounds??

The number of holes and rounds will be determined after discussions with other members this evening. I always like to include some of the old holes and it would not be a VPO with out those holes. I would say at least 21. If we go to 24 holes, then we would only play 3 rounds. 21 would be 4 rounds. I will let everyone know tonight.

Ace golf for players in the event is for players only. There will also be a side bet for staff and others who would like to play, but this would be a seperate pot from the Players ace golf. We will also only play 18 holes of ace golf. 36 is way too many after playing all the regular golf as we found out at the CC's.

Ace Golf is seperate of the actual rounds and does not count towards your total score.

Hmmmmm....

If the format isn't set yet, let me throw this out:

24 x 3 rounds like previous
9-hole finals consisting of 9 of the holes surrounding the pavilion (assuming we're using the pavilion by hole 17).

2 24-hole rounds on Saturday is alot of golf, but who wouldn't want to be done earlier on Sunday to get home for R&R?

There will also be a side bet for staff and others who would like to play



Woo-Hoo!!!! Is there going to be a staff JUG of Righteousness? I'm down! :D

Do not think we will have the JUG for VPO. Too many clouded memories from CC's.

I also moved all the baskets short last night. Actually Roo and I moved them. We were even able to get 15 moved with the help of a couple of casuals. Took a little bit of motor oil to free it up, but it is moved. Also trying to free up hole 3 as well to utilize that new sleeve.

What about personal JUGS?

That would be fine.

Everyone please note. We will be at the SOUTH pavillion all weekend for AM weekend. We AGAIN have a problem with evening sheduling for the North pavillion on Sundays. There will be a large group there Sunday evening so we moved our reservation to the South Pavillion.

Also I need at least 6 Mach 3 baskets. If you have one and can bring it out, I would greatly appreciate it. I will take care of the bucket until Sunday evening. Even if you cannot play or staff, I still need you basket. I would like to have Mach 3's if at all possible, but will take what we can get.

Thanks,
Toolen

My vote goes for 3 rounds of 24. It's not a VPO unless we play old 1,2 3,4,8 and 9. Plus, with only 3 rounds, out of towners can hit the road early if they don't want to participate in the ace golf. :D

Toolen, if you need our Xeroid baskets let me know. I'll need to take them home on Thursday. Taking a fair day Friday. (wink,wink)

That is the way I am leaning Clay. It is much better for Sunday and getting out of there early.

Yea Clay, go ahead and bring those out. If anything, we can use them for Ace Golf on sunday, if I do not need them for holes.

Where's the new sleeve for 3?!?

I didn't think 1 and 3 had a short position, although I do remember the "temp" short positions for 1 used a couple of times.


wink wink final 9!!!
I haven't ever played in an event with a final 9 except for the PPO skins this year, which I was a few strokes from qualifying for.

There is a new long sleeve for 3 that I put in last year, but the basket there has not moved for over 15 years. So it is pretty stuck in the sleeve. I hope to be able to move it soon. Hopefully by this weekend, if not by Pro weekend.

On the final 9. If we play 3 rounds of 24, that is 72 holes of golf and just right for a tourny. With Ace Golf and time constraints, I think we would be better off not having a final 9. But I will bring it up tonight and see what everyone thinks.

NO LAMEASS FINAL 9! Who really cares about watching the top ams play 9 extra holes. Derek, if you really want to see the top advanced players just make sure you're on the top card with ME all weekend. :D
Hole 3's other pin is to the right and back from the normal pin. Much tougher upshot. We've never used it because we could never get the old pin out of the sleeve.

my vote is for 4 x 18 !!!

Yea Clay, go ahead and bring those baskets out



They are Full size Discatcher's with inner chain kits....prolly better than Mach III's.

We need to have the Am's play that new pin on three.

As Daddy D would say: Phuc[/b]k it, Who won already?

It wouldn't be VPO without at least some of the old holes. I SAY 3 ROUNDS OF 27 WITH 9 FROM THE OLD COURSE. YEA BABY!

That sounds good too. All you did was take the final 9 idea, strip it of the word "final" and spread the 9 equally over three rounds.

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

4 x 18......where all four rounds are ACE GOLF in the OAKS with LARGE JUGS of Beeeeeeeeeeeer!

Until I see somebody fall UP the hill several times, Kelly owns the rights to the JUG O' RIGHTEOUSNESS! :D

....but Kelly's Jugs have shriveled into tiny raisins!

Yikes! Shrinkage! :D

Can anybody tell it's slow at work today?

...as long as our boss doesn't realize how slow it is.

I'd love nothing more than placing my mouth on some large JUGS.

BAD

No such thing as BAD jugs. That's an oxymoron in my book. :p

I'd love nothing more than placing my mouth on some large JUGS.



But they were Jason's jug's....... :o

I'd love nothing more than placing my mouth on some large JUGS.



But they were Jason's jug's....... :o



Freaking <font color="red"> OUCH! </font>

BACK TO THE FRONT!

VPO AM weekend this weekend. Come on out and play or staff. Either way, it wil be a great time.

what format did you guys come up with?

Rumor has it some of the old course and a little less of the new. Remember championship #8 where you shot to where 10s long basket is now? :D:D

Bong OO Mong!!! :D

Rumor has it some of the old course and a little less of the new. Remember championship #8 where you shot to where 10s long basket is now? :D:D

insanity. wtf is wrong with the course as we usually play it? "a little less of the new" BOO!

OK finally settled on the format. May not be what everyone wants to play, but will make for a better weekend in terms of time and flow of play. We will be playing 3 rounds of 21. Adding old holes 1, 2 and 9. I have wrestled with several different formats, but I think this will work out for the best. I am working this morning, but will be at the park by 2. If you have any questions, call me on my cell at 817-690-1077.

Thanks and see you at the park!

I thought it was a good idea to omit 9 and 10, and play 8 to three different pins from two different tee pads.

this is only for one round, right? how do you play 8 to three different pins from two differnt tees in a single round?

one, two, three.........you have a PM

OK finally settled on the format. May not be what everyone wants to play, but will make for a better weekend in terms of time and flow of play. We will be playing 3 rounds of 21. Adding old holes 1, 2 and 9. I have wrestled with several different formats, but I think this will work out for the best. I am working this morning, but will be at the park by 2. If you have any questions, call me on my cell at 817-690-1077.

Thanks and see you at the park!



I guess that makes the course a little more righty friendly than it already is. :D

dont forget about Lloyd.

Ok Everyone, I am outta here! Heading home then to the park. Should be a great cool afternoon for doubles. If anyone needs to get a hold of me, call 817-690-1077. I will check back here tonight and see if anything needs addressed.

UPS suck[/b]s BIG one's!

........and that's the PG version of what i want to say. :mad:

what does UPS have to do with VPO???? :confused:

b/c they deliver goods.

I now know why their uniforms are brown....b/c they are FULL OF SHTTTTT!

ah.. sounds like the order may have been placed :p2 days too LATE!!

No, they fumbled the football so to speak.

SCORES ?!?!?

Come on Pat you know how fast scores are uploaded for the VPO and the Fling. :D

Maybee next week. :eek:

yeah, but i can dream :D

terry promised me today that he would get the results up not only on the thread but also on the PDGA Tour page.

maybe he's watching sunday night football while he doing the data input :cool:

...terry's briefcase. :D

huh?

ah... didnt see the title

WTF?

did the UPS scores train derail on the way to Terry's house last nite???

What did I tell you.

Next week we will know who won. :p

Your scores AND ratings are posted. Took a little time to get everything right, but I think it is correct.

Big Thanks to Jason and Ginetta for help all weekend, both on and off the course. These two do so much for our club, it would be very difficult to pull off an event with them. Thanks You Two!!!

I also want to thank the rest of the staff and players that helped out: Andrew Toolen, Brain Lamoreaux, Charles Cox, Dan McGough, Clayton Bethmann, Chris Pepperling, Gene Norbriga, Skip Maxwell, John Mauiro, Claydog Brumit, Brad Bishop, Dennie Ortega, Don and Laura Quattlebaum. I hope I did not leave anyone off of the list. If so, I personally thank you for your help.

We had a light turnout, but with all the other events taking place at the same time, I can see why.

We still had a very fun time. I always like watching everyone drive off of the mountain on hole 8. The weather was very nice, except for the small amount of rain we received saturday morning. Ace golf was a great time as always.

I look forward to a Great Pro weekend on Nov 5 and 6. Register early and make it easy on us come saturday morning.

thanks terry!

too bad a lot of people missed out on the first awesome weather for disc golf since like march :) the vet played pretty tough this weekend even with the perfect weather. maybe we're all used to sweatin balls and dont remember how to play in the cool fall temps.

thanks staff and helpers! even if some of you (and you know who you are) were pulling for david to beat me :D! congrats david!

The event was a blast this year, even though there weren't alot of people around...which is expected with gas the way it is. Also, I talked to a couple of people that didn't know the VPO was this past weekend that might have otherwise come. The weather was just AWESOME. Thanks to the club and staff for putting on a great event.

Question about the scores posted on the PDGA Tour link:
What is used as par for the 3rd round? Are the 5 champ tees for that round all par 4's? If so, that makes me feel a little better about life. That's what it looks like.

i believe that 2,13,17 and 18 are par 4 and 8 is par 5, yielding a par 69 course. (maybe 8 is a 4 and 2 is the 5 though)

i shot 60 (-3), 64 (+1), and 70 (?) and got a -1 for the weekend. so th thrid round 70 musta been a +1, making par = 69.

That's what I was thinking. #2 and #8 should be par 4.5's. A 3 is possible on each. It's better than a birdie, but not quite an eagle. I didn't even get a four on either, so it doesn't matter to me. I 3'd 2 and 4'd 8 when warming up though. That wind on #8 was just weird. It looked perfect as a tailwind, but I threw an Orc that would have otherwise come back but the wind just KILLED it and made it drop before it got past the woods.

No one in oklahoma knew about the VPO AM weekend until it was posted on the message board 5 (FIVE) Days before the event :confused:

We would have brought some ppl down for it......

there's serious talk about opening up Pro weekend for an MA1/MM1 field(s).

the details are not for sure yet (play in the open fields for reduced price, or have seperate fields) but there seems to be a reasonable interest.

its the first weekend in november, the week after the OO. does that have any interest to you and yours in Okie land?

Well, we would always support DFW golf but this tourney (AM VPO not pro) was not on the schedule or message board until 10/3/05! :mad:

I know that I speak for alot of people (Okies)who love Veterans Park DG Course (one of the best in the country IMO) and would love to travel there for a tourney. We just had no info to plan accordingly for last weekend.

Personally, I do not play AM-1 hardly at all, but know of several advanced players that might be interested.

We had a light turnout, but with all the other events taking place at the same time, I can see why.




more like no advanced notice :mad:

If you don't see it on the PDGA schedule, but think it should be there, check LSDGA.com Schedule (http://www.lsdga.com/txschd.php) to see the current status.

Cancelled events are listed there as well as contacts from previous year's events. Click on the History link in the upper left for schedules from previous years.

where can I find the scores ?

Bingoooooo!!!!!!!!!! I found them !

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thats being discussed. we could conceivably go all 27 holes with 5-somes and fit 135, or use tee times, etc, blah blah.

but none of this matters if we dont decide soon!

toolen, whereare you?!?


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No 5-somes allowed, this is an A-Tier.........I thought you read the rule book .

I talked with Terry a little this evening and Ginetta, myself and Terry are all really undecided about this due to many reasons.

#1 is making sure we have room for the maximum amount of Open players. I know that odds are we won't fill the field, but what if we had 45 MA1 players pre-register and then could not acommadate 56 Open players? I really can't see a good side of this situation.

#2 is more of a question for the PDGA. How do we handle the points awarded to the MA1 field? Is it really fair that people that played last weekend get B-Tier points and the others get A-Tier points?

#3 is how do you let 2 different people win the same division in the same tournament that for some reason is held on two different dates . I know that if I won advanced last weekend and recieved a trophy for 1st place in advanced at the VPO I would not be happy that someoneelse was carrying around the same trophy and got more points for it.


So, in conclusion, my opinoin is no MA1 field on the OPEN weekend of VPO. However I don't have a problem with advanced players paying 1/2 the entry fee with the understanding that they cannot accept the $$$$$$$ if they place.



Terry said we were going to discuss it more tomorrow evening and one of us should post the final decision by Thursday AM.

#1 is making sure we have room for the maximum amount of Open players. I know that odds are we won't fill the field, but what if we had 45 MA1 players pre-register and then could not acommadate 56 Open players? I really can't see a good side of this situation.

it'll be worse if you fill a pro only with am players paying 50% entry fee! what pros do show up will be [I'm a potty-mouth!] if half the field is paying 50%, and are not up to the calibre besides



#2 is more of a question for the PDGA. How do we handle the points awarded to the MA1 field? Is it really fair that people that played last weekend get B-Tier points and the others get A-Tier points?

so make it a b tier. events do it all the time. and anyway its not a question of fairness.


#3 is how do you let 2 different people win the same division in the same tournament that for some reason is held on two different dates . I know that if I won advanced last weekend and recieved a trophy for 1st place in advanced at the VPO I would not be happy that someoneelse was carrying around the same trophy and got more points for it.

its not the same tourney! its the VPO second chance AM event. make the trophy saysomething else. thats easy. the other way to solve your individual problem is to enter and win :D


i wonder how many adv players would play at half or full price. so far the respondents online have been in favor of paying a regular Adv entry fee and having a seperate division. i do not know if they would show up for a mixed division.

we could go 108 players if we do 27 holes.

It is happening in Live Oak in Novembere, MA1 can play again on Sunday in an A-tier after playing the day before in a B-tier.

Live Oak does not have the total player limit that VPO does. To sanction both AM and Pro as an A-Tier, you really need 2 courses.

To Sanction AM divisions in an A-Tier, you need at least 72 Am players. There would not be enough room for the primary players (Pros) and 72 Ams.

I can't find a 4-some limit in the rules for an A-Tier. Please point out where you saw it, I would like to have that information for future reference.

It would be a cool idea for me since I couldn't attend the AM weekend, but I don't think it would be in the best interest of the event. Besides, if the AMs are playing, who's gonna be working the event ?

but I don't think it would be in the best interest of the event.

higher pro payout, more players, more interest... please explain your reasons for believing it would not be in the interest of the event.

I don't think it's in the best interest of any event to not meet the numbers required for their sanctioning.

If you have Ams playing in an A-Tier, you need 72 of them playing.
If you have 72 Ams playing at VPO, there is no room left for the Pros that are supposed to be playing at VPO PRO.

end of reason.

Now that is only referring to having am divisions.

I have always been in favor of discounted trophy only entry fees for players. I just don't know how to keep the books simply on that one.

i think we're off on a tangent here. obviously, making it an A Tier for ams wont work. i dont even know if B tier would work.

but folding it into the existing event does. no additional sanctioning is required. just add the players. do whatever on the payout. i'd be willing to bet that a phone call to the pdga would yield permission to let the ams plays in b tier status, should the decision end up to have seperate divs.

gary - one big choice is to whether to run seperate divs or just offer MPO and MPM. would you still play if it was just the pro divisions? would entry matter, and if so would you want a reduced fee? would you want some sort of payout? just wondering...

in the eyes of the pdga you'd be playing as MPM for MPM points, etc.

If I was playing pro, it would be MPO. I'd have less chance of having to turn down cash even if I played well.

It's possible, but not likely.

GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!

What's the decision? :D

BTW, am i the only one who has signed up so far? Prolly so cuz it's not on TitleDISC on it's only 3 weeks away!

John,

How'd you sign up?...I know, you have that magic :D:D

I would be signed up, but I can't find an entry. I am looking forward to actually getting to play an event instead of running it.

Help me out. can you or can you get someone to get me one this weekend at Crowley?

Jason, Ginetta and Terry as well as the ADGA do a great job running events. But, it seems the marketing is a little lack luster... the am weekend came and went and not many people noticed. I would hate to see this happen to the Pro weekend as well. I don't want to see one of the funnest events of the year fall into oblivion... And quit messing w/ the format it is one of the best things about VPO.

ce

John got in by winning the CC's.....

I can bring some out to you at Crowley this weekend. OR email me and I will send the entry form!!
It should be up on titledisc very soon.

And quit messing w/ the format it is one of the best things about VPO.

ce



What are you talking about here? Adding the Adv????

Thanks Terry, I'll pass them out to the pros that will be there and I'll fill mine out and give it to you if you hang for a few to wait for it. See you at Crowley.

What time is your players meeting sat??

10:00 and tee at 10:15

I think you should give a free entry to the VPO to the person who won open master as well.
I could be a bit biased on this one though. :D

I wonder why you would like that Dog?!?!?!? :cool::D:eek:

I thought you played Adv Mast? Are you moving up?

Sanctioned events I usually play OMB. At our minis and club championships I play open master.
I'll be playing open pro weekend of the VPO so my stats will show that I played in every division I'm allowed to this year. :eek:

If you are interested in the discussion about the VPO allowing Adv players the opportunity to play pro weekend, please go to the ADGA thread and take the poll. Thanks!

Ok from all the discussions, it seems the most interest would be to offer the divisions of Advanced and Advanced Master. These divisions will be the same entry as AM weekend, but for A-Tier points this time around!!! $60 plus ace pot and ace golf. I will update Ben at titledisc, but it is still not up yet so we will see about that. Otherwise you can PM me and I will email you an entry for and you can either mail it in or bring it out to a mini on Wednesday or Sunday.

Anyone from houston going? I may decide to hit this one. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hey Terry, am I understanding this correctly. Adv. and Adv. Mstr. can play pro weekend for A tier points?

Yes that is the case. The Adv divisions will be competing for Prizes, trophies and A-tier points.

yea so basically all the AMS can slow down the PRO players since they did not go to the weekend set up for them. NICE!! :confused:

It's not like they are rank am's. They are the "advanced" guys. :)

Besides, by them playing, it pads YOUR pro purse!

It's to have am's on a Pro weekend

It's to have am's on a Pro weekend



Need some cheese with that El Chile :D

There's no whining there RAY!!! it's just Would you like some cheese with that ;)

JERRY,

It sounded kind of whiny from here :o

It just must be the distance that makes it sound that way :D:cool:

It's to have am's on a Pro weekend

so seewhere shouldnt play??? :D

ray!ray! grow up :Dno wine here so WTF!! :o;)

Am's should play am weekend :confused: ;)

Back to work, see you am's on the course, NOT!! :D:D

Chile............................

You should want more am's to play. Don't you want a larger check from the ADGA when you cash out?

Quit your whinning! :p :D

The VPO is coming up on November 5-6. I am going to be incorporating an optional satellite event into the Sunday and Wednesday minis at Veteran's up until VPO. For anyone who is interested in playing the VPO, this is a great way to get in for very cheap. The way this works is you come to the mini and pay your normal fee with the TD. If you want to be included in the satellite, you pay the extra $12 entry fee to me. For every 10 players that enter the satellite, 1 person will get a free entry into the VPO (pro divisions only). Each satellite will have 100% payout.

For example:
There are 14 people sign up. Obviously, 1st place gets his free entry. 2nd place will get a $53 credit ($168 purse - $115 entry for 1st place) towards the VPO.

NO MONEY WILL BE HANDED OUT!

If you win a free entry, you can fill out a VPO entry form on the spot and I will give the money and the entry form to Terry.

If you are the person who takes "last cash" in one of the events, you will have 3 choices.
1. Pay the remainder of the VPO entry fee for your spot.
2. Play another satellite event to try to win the rest of the entry fee.
3. Donate your winnings to the VPO purse.

I will be running the satellite events during each Wednesday and Sunday mini until the VPO. There are 2 Sunday minis until the VPO and 2 Wednesday minis until daylight savings time ends.

This gives you 4 chances to win your spot into the VPO. Don't miss out. You may enter as many or as few of these events as you wish.

Tonight's satellite may not have a great turnout because it is just now being introduced. Anyone who can play tonight, please bring an extra $12 to the mini.

Hopefully the word can get spread around and we can have a large field for the satellite on Sunday morning.

Also, John Maiuro has agreed to offer this at the Bear Creek mini tonight and next Wednesday.

Don't miss out on this opportunity to play VPO for $12!

Allowing the Adv players the chance to play in the Open weekend should be a benefit to all players involved. We will be playing 24 holes and that should cause no problems with flow and speed of play. The Adv players that do play will add to the open purse. The ADGA has always added cash to ALL divisions, not just the open Men. With the interest that has been shown so far, I would anticipate there being only 10-20 Adv players max. Most players are stepping up and playing Open anyway.

Jerry, we would enjoy having you come up for the VPO again. It is always nice to see you. Chris, would be nice to see you make a VPO again!

This is from Danny Reeves ( Kid Roc)

The VPO is coming up on November 5-6. I am going to be incorporating an optional satellite event into the Sunday and Wednesday minis at Veteran's up until VPO. For anyone who is interested in playing the VPO, this is a great way to get in for very cheap. The way this works is you come to the mini and pay your normal fee with the TD. If you want to be included in the satellite, you pay the extra $12 entry fee to me. For every 10 players that enter the satellite, 1 person will get a free entry into the VPO (pro divisions only). Each satellite will have 100% payout.

For example:
There are 14 people sign up. Obviously, 1st place gets his free entry. 2nd place will get a $53 credit ($168 purse - $115 entry for 1st place) towards the VPO.

NO MONEY WILL BE HANDED OUT!

If you win a free entry, you can fill out a VPO entry form on the spot and I will give the money and the entry form to Terry.

If you are the person who takes "last cash" in one of the events, you will have 3 choices.
1. Pay the remainder of the VPO entry fee for your spot.
2. Play another satellite event to try to win the rest of the entry fee.
3. Donate your winnings to the VPO purse.

I will be running the satellite events during each Wednesday and Sunday mini until the VPO. There are 2 Sunday minis until the VPO and 2 Wednesday minis until daylight savings time ends.

This gives you 4 chances to win your spot into the VPO. Don't miss out. You may enter as many or as few of these events as you wish.

Tonight's satellite may not have a great turnout because it is just now being introduced. Anyone who can play tonight, please bring an extra $12 to the mini.

Hopefully the word can get spread around and we can have a large field for the satellite on Sunday morning.

Also, John Maiuro has agreed to offer this at the Bear Creek mini tonight and next Wednesday.

Don't miss out on this opportunity to play VPO for $12!)

so terry, i am gonna sign up for pro masters. can i also pay the MM1 full fee and compete for that division's trophy? you can keep whatever plastic i might win. i just want the hardware. so it would be full pro master entry fee to compete in pro master, plus mm1 entry fee to take a shot at the mm1 trophy. whatcha think?

Man that is a GREAT idea - -can't wait to hear how many people take part...

so terry, i am gonna sign up for pro masters. can i also pay the MM1 full fee and compete for that division's trophy? you can keep whatever plastic i might win. i just want the hardware. so it would be full pro master entry fee to compete in pro master, plus mm1 entry fee to take a shot at the mm1 trophy. whatcha think?



I don't think that is allowed. :( :(

actually the pdga shouldnt care a bit. i'm only playing for pro master points. the trophy is more like a side bet than anything. my results would only be reported in one division.

see what i mean?

Yeah but then i would have done that when i played up in like 6 events before I accepted. Think about it you aren't playing on a card within your division the pressure and mood is different and so on. :D

GOOD MORNING VIETNAM!

What's the decision? :D

BTW, am i the only one who has signed up so far? Prolly so cuz it's not on TitleDISC on it's only 3 weeks away!


Hey all - just got this event info end of last week... got busy this weekend doing the Alex Clark... it will be up for review to Terry this evening and as soon as he reviews it... it will be up live...

p.s. - Terry - I got the updates and will incorporate them...

Take care all,
Ben

did you pay both entry fees?

No you cannot compete in two divisions at the same event If so i would have paid to play Jrs as well. You pick a division and play.

i know that. but the purpose of even having adv and advmstr is to pad the pro purse a bit. so i wanna make a side bet for the hardware. any plastic winnings can go to the purse. its a win win. and its a side bet anyway, not a pdga issue. see wot i mean?

besides, just cuz you didnt think of it doesnt mean its not a good idea. with age comes wisdom, young jedi... :D

I still have to say it won't work unless you challenge the MA1 winner hiself

well, i'd have to challenge the whole field (mm1 in this case), but yes that might be the case. toolen told me verbally this evening he thought paying the full mm1 fee would be cool if i was only playing for the hardware, though.

I'd ask Kennedy because it is the type of thing that could start controversy. Btw if you do and win the trophy there will be guys complaining about how you were able to play with better comp and that they brought your game up. IMO it isn't very cool to play for the hardware.

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You cannot have a single round's score count for two divisions in a PDGA tournament. You can, however, do it "DeLa Ironman Style" where MPO plays a round and then MPM plays a round. But that is different in that each round you play only counts for one division, even though subsequent rounds count for different division.

Yeah I knew you could play as long as you played a different times. Ex I could have played ADV and then played Jrs at lunch but not have the same round go towards both divisions. :D

you can have whatever side bets ya want and the pdga does even enter into the picture.

I received a call from my teammate Dagon Owens and his gf Emily last night. They are going to make some killer pottery/dishes incorporating the VPO artwork for this years show. I saw the stuff they did for the USDGC, it was awesome. It will be for sale all weekend long during the VPO.

There was a little interest at Bear Creek for the VPO satellite events. The guys interested said they'd come to the ADGA minis for the next couple of Sunday's and try it out.

Some thoughts. VPO already had an AM weekend right? The next VPO is usually the Pro version, but AM's are asking to have a division?
The Patapsco picnic had this happen as well and decided to do the AM's can pay half price, play pro and receive trophy only. They had 20 AMs take them up on the offer and all of them raved about the "experience". They didn't have to risk as much, got a great "testing the waters" game comparison and even had the chance to play with some of the sports top players (at least first round). By adding an AM division on a Pro weekend, it waters the event down.
--AMs already had an individual tournament
--Good way to increase Pro weekend turnout (larger field :D)
--Great way to test your game in Pro division
--Builds a connector from Am to Pro
--Still adds some cash to the pro purse although secondary. Pros would rather see AMs trying to make the step and helping them. Heck, we rather play against 60 verses 40 players, much more fun.

Holding an AM division on a Pro weekend unless its a Pro/Am event is tough. Where does it end? Let's give opportunities to show Advanced players their skills are increasing. (Help bridge the gap) Playing in your own AM division and comparing scores at the HQ just isn't the same and not a reality comparison.

My .02

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Good idea Yeti.

IM GAME!!!! Great idea!!! :D

that was the approach i originally suggested, and still prefer. but they decided to offer seperate divs anyway. and now some zealots are claiming that offering trophy only to amateurs playing pro, in addition to competing for the pro purse should they somehow magically cash, is akin to competing in multiple divisionsd, which one cannot do according to the pdga.

but, dam, it sure would be simple and sweet!

Some thoughts. VPO already had an AM weekend right? The next VPO is usually the Pro version, but AM's are asking to have a division?
The Patapsco picnic had this happen as well and decided to do the AM's can pay half price, play pro and receive trophy only. They had 20 AMs take them up on the offer and all of them raved about the "experience". They didn't have to risk as much, got a great "testing the waters" game comparison and even had the chance to play with some of the sports top players (at least first round). By adding an AM division on a Pro weekend, it waters the event down.
--AMs already had an individual tournament
--Good way to increase Pro weekend turnout (larger field :D)
--Great way to test your game in Pro division
--Builds a connector from Am to Pro
--Still adds some cash to the pro purse although secondary. Pros would rather see AMs trying to make the step and helping them. Heck, we rather play against 60 verses 40 players, much more fun.

Holding an AM division on a Pro weekend unless its a Pro/Am event is tough. Where does it end? Let's give opportunities to show Advanced players their skills are increasing. (Help bridge the gap) Playing in your own AM division and comparing scores at the HQ just isn't the same and not a reality comparison.

My .02




Jay,

Terry set up a poll, and here are the results.


Ok Lets try this again! Vote for only one option.

This will be up for 24 hours and then we will determine what direction to go.

Thanks for your paitence in all this!! Should the ADGA offer Adv players the chance to play
Users may choose only one (34 total votes)
Offer the Open Divisions only?
7 20%

Offer the Adv to play Open at a reduced price with no payout
13 38%

Offer the Advanced division ONLY for regular entry and payout
2 05%

Offer the Advanced AND Advanced Master divisions for regular entry and payout.
12 35%





It appears that the "half price for Ams to play OPEN for trophy only" won. Not sure why the ADGA didn't use the polls result as to the format that will be run.

However, i do know that as an ADGA member, i'll support whatever decision the club officers make.....even though i may not agree with it.

It appears that the "half price for Ams to play OPEN for trophy only" won. Not sure why the ADGA didn't use the polls result as to the format that will be run.

they are obviously suffering from DSM-IV 318.1.

Mr. Loompa, you have a pm.

It appears that the "half price for Ams to play OPEN for trophy only" won. Not sure why the ADGA didn't use the polls result as to the format that will be run.

However, i do know that as an ADGA member, i'll support whatever decision the club officers make.....even though i may not agree with it.




Terry said that he was getting more feedback on having an actual MA1 in person. My opinion is 50% with no payout also, I think it would be allot better for all of the players involved. We discussed it with Terry and I thought that was what we were going to do, but in the end it's his decision and this is what he chose to do. As John stated I'll support his decison either way.

I seem to recall something about an event down south catching a lot of flack for thinking of moving out of the way of a storm, and offering competing divisions on the same weekend as VPO Am. Why not the same outcry for Beeville ?

1st year?? No history?? Small player base?? No established club??? No members with way too much time on their hands and internet access /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D.

Smart remarks aside, this was also a reason I would have preferred the 50% option.

I would have preferred the 50% option.



Just thought that needed to be said again. :D

I seem to recall something about an event down south catching a lot of flack for thinking of moving out of the way of a storm, and offering competing divisions on the same weekend as VPO Am. Why not the same outcry for Beeville ?




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<font color="red"> 'Nuf said! </font> Don't make Jason change his sig. :)

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1st year?? No history?? Small player base?? No established club??? No members with way too much time on their hands and internet access /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D.

Hey Jason Third Coast Is running this event and we doe have a little history .And next year Beeville will be an ATier .
We discussed this awhile back and Terry T Told me there would be split weekends For the VPO . My opionion Has always been Build your player base and there will be no problem with running events on the same weekend .So even though it Might hurt the Attendance in Beeville a Little bit .I have no hard feelings and wish the Best For ADGA and whatever they decide to Do. :cool:

wow.... I LOVE playing tournaments at the Vet.... after the negative reaction from some of the pros though, I am not so sure I want to intrude on their little parade..... although I have my doubts that the biggest whinner would be getting any of the cash that the ams would be kicking up....

:D

wow.... I LOVE playing tournaments at the Vet.... after the negative reaction from some of the pros though, I am not so sure I want to intrude on their little parade..... although I have my doubts that the biggest whinner would be getting any of the cash that the ams would be kicking up....

:D



Don't understand. Exactly, what is your point?

I can't believe people are getting upset about this. Call them pro's, call them am's, call them whatever you want, including "Luckier than me that they're not going to be at a wedding that weekend." I'd play within whatever division was offered that fit my skill...if nothing else but to play hole 8 again!

This event is not going to affect any others...the local players specifically asked for it...if they had any plans on going to any other event, I doubt they'd say anything.

Everyone take a deep breath...and consider this the same thing as the Texas 10 final...a way to get some bonus points for World's next year. And someone PLEASE take a 3 on hole 8.

So let me get this straight. I have the option to play pro for 1/2 price instead of paying full price because my rating stinks and therefore considered an Am? I was planning on playing my home course and paying the price to do so. I would do so in hopes of not finishing last.I really don't believe that any "AM" would play pro weekend thinking it would just be a cool to spend a $105. Are we in need of more pro players? I can stay for free in Beeville or Arlington and hate to say I have yet to make up my mind. :( :confused:

So let me get this straight. I have the option to play pro for 1/2 price instead of paying full price because my rating stinks and therefore considered an Am?



No. You have the option of paying full price($105ish) and playing OPEN. Or, Paying full price ($65ish) and playing ADV.

The option you are talking about will not be used. Support your home course by playing either of the divisions you qualify for. Oh yea, happy birthday on the 11th. :)

Congrats to Chris Flesner for taking 2nd at the Texas State
Championship.

I received a call from my teammate Dagon Owens and his gf Emily last night. They are going to make some killer pottery/dishes incorporating the VPO artwork for this years show. I saw the stuff they did for the USDGC, it was awesome. It will be for sale all weekend long during the VPO.



Uh, maybe they should make some more pottery/dishes and bring it down to the Player's Cup /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
It's been a while!

Or better yet, maybe I'll play Am at the VPO this year

VPO is only 10 days from now!

lets fill this puppy up!

24 sweet holes, perfect fall weather, even opps for ams to play one more weekend before sub-50 temps set in for good :D

what could be better! hope to see you all there.

An inside tip makes it sound like the PDGA might not allow the VPO to be able to host AM divisions.

wow. wont effect me though. its PRO weekend and i've been planning on playing PRO and i'm already signed up for PRO :cool:

players list?

weather report?

course layout details?

scores?

So I can still play pro. Right? I'll be there. I look forward to seeing all of my friends that don't know that I moved to what I like to call "central texas".

Stopped by the Vet on the way across the Red River. The Vet is looking beautiful. Some cool erosion work down in "the valley" of holes 6 and 7.
What is the format for the weekend?
Temp Holes?
I have also heard the PDGA struck down the AM division. This is not a bad thing, there already was an AM weekend. What has the TD decided on the AM playing Pro for reduced price? Could be a great opp to play with the Big Dogs, test yer metals and maybe even play on the same card with Barry Schultz first round, maybe 2nd, 3rd or 4th...... :).

I have also heard the PDGA struck down the AM division

SAY WHAT???

<font size=+12> PAGING TOOLEN! </font>

where is the players list?

ef, you're being waaaaay to greedy, bro! lets just settle for the TD for now! :D:D:D

What has the TD decided on the AM playing Pro for reduced price?



He's working right now, but there probably won't be a 1/2 proce option. All or nothing baby!

I have also heard the PDGA struck down the AM division. This is not a bad thing, there already was an AM weekend.



Looks like it'll just be Pro's. Prolly won't even offer the 1/2 price thingy. :D

We still have not heard an "official" announcement about the PDGA's decision(well, YOU have. :D).....but i received that same inside tip you did. :D

Anyone from South Texas plan on making this one?

Dagon and Emily will be here, but i guess thats more CenTex. :)

who at the PDGA could refuse a division to an event? i thought as long as the Division was advertised, then its all good.

***further comments suppressed until the authorities issue their final verdict***

So, why can't we offer Am's half price? I see no logical reason why this option wouldn't help the turnout. Besides, that option did get the most votes. Seems silly that Terry started a poll and didn't even use the results.

comment withheld til the horse's mouth speaks

Let's not talk about this until we hear it from Toolen. The PDGA may have just said "we would rather you not", or maybe they said "NO way, No How!"

Let's wait to hear it from the Horse's mouth!

Okay so supertour in 7 days. Kinda sucks that we don't know exactly which divisions will be offered.

make that 5.5 days away now. :p

it was officially announced at the mini today that only Pro divisions would be offered.

the official word was that the PDGA Competition Committee refused our offering of anything other than Pro divisions.

why they made this decision was not discussed.

however you can be sure that the Comp Committee, David Gentry, and Theo will all be receiving formal requests for a thorough explanationas to why the PDGA does not want the ADGA to offer amateur divisions at a sanctioned event.

I guess the PDGA does not need the extra $$$..

I think they said ams could play at half price. Terry just decided if ams want to play, they can pay full price like the pros. No biggie.

All or nothing!!!!


Congrats to JD for winning the 2nd VPO satellite event. He gets a huge discount on his entry as well as Mike Grider and Donald Ellsworth for their tie last week.

What was his score?

He shot -5, Nolan/Donald -2, Me/Claydog/Pepper E. Very windy at the Vet yesterday. I had just as many bogs as birds, 4 of each. :D

John or Jason or Terry or any one else that might know, any dubs on Friday?? I am there Friday afternoon.

Any word on how many old guys so far?

There's always doubles the Friday night before the VPO. Usually starts from 1pm - 3pm.

Played the course for the first time this month today and was wondering if the pin positions would stay the same for the first round or if it would be the easy set up we played last year?

Hey All!!

Been away from the PC the last week or so. Lost one job, and started another this morning. This gets kinda old when you lose 2 jobs over the last 3 or 4 years because of my involvement in Disc Golf. Oh well, the sacrifices we have to make for something we enjoy. Too bad I make half as much as I used to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the Am's playing on the Pro weekend, there will be NO divisions other than Open, Master and Grandmaster.
If you are an am that wants to play the Open weekend, then you will have to pay full price.

The format will be 24 holes for 3 rounds. 2 rounds on Sat and 1 on Sunday, then Ace Golf, then the Awards. The pins will be the same as ALWAYS for the VPO. Short first round. Medium the second round and Champ pads and long pins the final round.

There will be doubles on friday. Sign up between 2 and 4. With daylight savings time gone, it gets dark WAY too early.

You can sign up Friday until about 7, then Saturday morning until 8:30. We will have lots golf to play and will start EXACTLY at 9:30.

If you have anything else, call me at 817-690-1077.

I have a bunch of entries and will be posting that on the scores page, but we have players from all over the world coming. Sweden will be represented, as well as Michigan, OK and all over Texas.

Title disc will be up until Thursday night, other wise sign up at the course on Friday!

doubles starts in 77 hours!

I have a bunch of entries and will be posting that on the scores page

players list??

he meant he will be posting it on the scores page a week or so after the event :D

LMFAO :D

Shoot I would be happy if we just get credit for our round ratings this year. :o

yeah that one was a wierd one last year. i wrote to the PDGA folks about that and never got answer.

Rumor has it that Greg Killam, Alex Hughes, Dagon Owens, and Emily Brown will be here. Rumor also has them staying with me. I hope Amy won't mind. Should i tell her? :D :o

nah. chicks dig surprises!

Not when you give them that ring. :D

aint that right. then they are no longer chicks and are wives. :p

and then they own you. :D


hahahahahahahahahaha

Not having AMs play in their own division on Pro weekend was not a competition comittee decision. But, it really was a no brainer for the fact that AM's already had their own VPO tournament. The PDGA should have encouraged the AM playing Pro (at a reduced price) option as the one to use. It would accomplish all of the things everyone wanted and help bridge that gap between AM and Pro. Oh well........

I agree with Yeti. Hopefully they will still come out, whether its to play or to watch. This is going to be a great tournament.

This is from Des:

This is Des, I have talked with Juliana. She won't be attending this year, but would like the $105 entry fee she was awarded at Z_Boaz to go to sponsoring $20 off of the first five women to signup. Example:
Women pay $80 of $105 entry, $20 from Juliana and YOU (ADGA) goes to entry fee pool
See ya soon.....

So the first 5 women that sign up will get $20 off of their entry fee! Sheila Kirkham is signed up already and I know Des is coming. Who Else??????????

I also need some double chain baskets, I have three lined up and will be making more calls to other club members, but if you have one you can bring that would be great!!!!

Again, if you have any questions, call me at 817-690-1077.

Toolen

The LOCAL response FROM the AMS around here was NO to the 1/2 price gig for nothing.

There was like 14 other tournaments going on the weekend of the AM VPO, so the LOCAL AMS wanted another shot with some of their Okie, and Austin friends......The AM VPO 2nd Chance Open. :)

It's too bad really. The AMS wanted to play, and pad the pro purse, but they did not want to play against you, me, kevin, coda, stacey, nolan, barry, etc. for 1/2 price for nothing.

So now, there will be very few AMS that will take the step to pad YOUR pro purse. So far, only 3 of them. ClayDog, Brenner, and Jeremy. Congrats for stepping up for the weekend.

But, it really was a no brainer for the fact that AM's already had their own VPO tournament.


soooooo... if it wasnt the Comp Committee, then who pray tell was it?

bigger question: where is it codified that AMs may only have one tournament???

[I'm a potty-mouth!] padding "THEIR" purse.

i paid full price. its MY purse, and i'm coming to get as much of it as i can! :eek:

Hence,
Congrats for stepping up for the weekend



:D

Whats up everyone... Just wanted to post if any other out of towners need a place to stay, I have two extra rooms and a couple of couches at the casa. I live around 3-4 miles from the course so just give me a shout. You can reach me at 817-360-4666...

I might need a place pepper, I'll let you know for sure tommorow.

No problem, I think Olse will be crashing as well...

I haven't really seen it codified anywhere, but there is no way the VPO could field 72 Ams (Am A-Tier minimum) on a single expanded course and still have room for a significant number of Pros. If you plan an event knowing you won't meet the minimum attendance standards, why would you seek the higher sanctioning and why should the PDGA honor the request ?

first of all, the Vet has 27 holes without even resorting to new or temp holes. at 5 per hole, thats 135 players, so a full A tier AM field is only half of the course.

second, then why couldnt the PDGA say "well, sorry, cant be A tier for the AMs but if ya wanna go B or C for them, go for it"?

Hey guys, any way you want to guess what could have happened is fine. The PDGA offered thier advise. We made our decision and that is final. NO more changes to format or the players. Lets talk up the event and not the events leading up to it!!!!!!!

Thanks,
Toolen

Good idea, It's good to see Cedar Hill skipping it's mini this weekend in support. I remember a time when all of the minis in DFW stopped when a sanctioned event was being held in the area.

Even if you can't make it out to play, come by Sunday and watch the finals, help spot on the throw off the mountain, and cheer on the winners at the awards.

Turn your sound on, here's some music while you read (Thanks Dirty_D):
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All we were looking to do was to give some of the AMS that couldn't make the original one a chance to play this great event. Offering AM divisions would have given us more resources to give away to everyone. We've all lost something now.

I agree that it'll be a great event regardless, with current World Champs, and Past World Champs. It's just sad that we were asked not offer AM divisions....even if it could have been at a lower tier level for AMS.

No big deal.

Looking forward to my favorite weekend at The Vet nonetheless.

Would anyone object to me bringing 50+ friends to the VPO?

Johns Jumping Jammers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/11/01/gallery.cheerleaders/content.1.html)

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what, ya couldnt find a copy of "Midnight at the Oasis" ? :eek: :D

Lets talk up the event and not the events leading up to it!!!!!!!

the promised players list might help :D

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There's a start, Toolen will fill in the rest later :p. Keep in mind that he's now the modern day Mike Brady so he may not be able to get to some things.

I'll do my best to keep scores updated for Terry throughout the weekend (if he'll let me) so all of you internet junkies will get a look at what you're missing out on.

That last paragraph was for SeeWare, he always tucks his tail between his legs when it comes to any Arlington event /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif...........................I think he's skeeeeered of the 2 headed monster :o.





That last comment was brought to you by Clayton and Nolan :cool:.

That last paragraph was for SeeWare, he always tucks his tail between his legs when it comes to any Arlington event ...........................I think he's skeeeeered of the 2 headed monster .


oh dont you worry I will be in the area this weekend. :D

From what I understand the first 4 of your "friends" get $20 off their entry. :DBring 'em.

BTW, are those the people staying with you for the weekend that you are suprising Amy with??? Nah, she won't mind.

MPM Pat Brenner


cool! if i can just hold it together for the third round i'll have a chance for my first cash as a pro!

Don't get to cocky Pat. :p

Have you decided if you can play teams yet?

well, i was gonna say "drat, wnother DFL" but i was trying to stay positive. :cool:

teams is "iffy". i will get it resolved this week for sure.

From what I understand the first 4 of your "friends" get $20 off their entry. :DBring 'em.

BTW, are those the people staying with you for the weekend that you are suprising Amy with??? Nah, she won't mind.



I'll be fearing for my life when 4 folks show up that she doesn't know about.

MPM Pat Brenner


cool! if i can just hold it together for the third round i'll have a chance for my first cash as a pro!



Here's a few more for you Pat

MPM Pat Brenner
MPM Ron Silliman
MPM Thomas Lowry

we have a division!!!

excellant! i believe thats the first official division!

hopefully some central texas MPOs will show up, and usually we have a decent showing from the DFW guys. and okies like MitchMac and Markie Mark have VPO regulars for years.

c u there!

I feel pretty certain that Mitch will also be in attendance.....MPM just keeps growing :D

I predict that Boobs will win his first A-tier b/c of his caddy :D

BTW, it looks like a lot of work was done this past weekend on mulch around the baskets, etc.

Laura,

The Vet always has great upkeep and maintaining. That is one of the many reasons I like to play there!

BTW: I know your husband has a lot to do with that upkeep!!! Give him and all the other a big thanks!! :D

Old #3 was barely playable last year. Do i need to bring my polesaw Sat morning?

Old #3 was barely playable last year. Do i need to bring my polesaw Sat morning?



Only if you cut all the branches that get in my way :D:D

I might need my chainsaw then. :)
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for the both of us! :)

you might need to bring a couple of chainsaws and I'll meet you out there friday night :)

it plays better across the sidewalk from the old concrete teepad. plus, unless someone did some major bulldozing, the swamp area is 100% unpenetrable. the weeds are taller and thicker than i've ever seen them.

forget the chainsaw, that fairway needs napalm :eek:

The wind is about 40-50 mph here. If it stays like this, even may win it! :o

The problem was on the green . All of those mesquite trees are overgrown everywhere. Champ #2 needs some grooming too, especially over the creek. I guess we will all be playing the same "Rough" holes, so....... :D

Champ 8 could stand to lose some trees as well. Like the one directly right of the box. :)

Any players list yet.

Champ 8 could stand to lose some trees as well. Like the one directly right of the box. :)



Only 3, maybe 4 golfers have hit that tree to my knowledge in the 8 or 9 VPO's that i've attended.

Kelly Hicks, Ron Russell, You.....and maybe Coda. I think it should stay! :)

Kelly Hicks, Ron Russell, You.....and maybe Coda. I think it should stay! :)



Now that's some company! :)

I was amused that Coda and I both scored the same on that hole last year.

Any players list yet.



Not yet Boobs. Just bring all of the OK and AR that you can find. See you saturday! We are expecting GREAT things out of YOUr BOOBS! :D

Allright then I won't were a braw :D

You will be in the area this weekend sitting on your tail.
NASCAR N=non A=athletic S=sport C=centered A=around R=rednecks

watch it macey.. :D

You will be in the area this weekend sitting on your tail.
NASCAR N=non A=athletic S=sport C=centered A=around R=rednecks



Sure beats that ice skating and all star wrestling you call - HOCKEY :D

LMAO good one 17684

I like mace's better

I like to see either of you last 20 laps in a car at texas motor speedway without peeing yourself

hell you can't watch 20 laps without haveing to go pee

:) :) :D

I like to see either of you last 20 laps in a car at texas motor speedway without peeing yourself



I have never made it 20 laps withour falling asleep

"Neckcar, not just your moms favorite sport anymore"

I believe the point of Brian's post is that because NASCAR is at Texas Motor Speedway, you may want to adjust your route here if you are coming from the north or you will be "sitting on your tail" in traffic on IH-35W. You may want to go through Dallas rather than Fort Worth if coming from OK or AR.

Do you think there will be a traffic problem at 2:30 today?

No.

The traffic if there was any would probally be going North to the race track.