10th Annual Texas State
Disc Golf Championship
A PDGA SuperTour Event on
Three Championship Courses
All at Tom Bass Complex, Houston, Texas
October 22nd and 23rd
All Divisions on the Same Weekend!


Texas States will become a PDGA
National Tour Event and move to April in 2006.
Start getting ready by playing this year!

Pros � A Tier
$1,500 added to the pro purse

Ams & Jrs � B Tier

100% payout
in quality pick your plastic for amateur�s

To Register:
GO TO www.hfds.org (http://www.hfds.org)
FOR ENTRY FORM

or

Register online at www.Titledisc.com (http://www.Titledisc.com)

or

Send name, phone, email and specify division,
with check payable to:
Houston Flying Disc Society
c/o John �Gimp� Edwards III
6014 Sanford
Houston, Texas 77096

2005 fees:
Pro $89
Adv Divisions: $58
Int Divisions: $48
Rec Divisions: $38
Jrs Divisions: $25
Ace pot $5
Non PDGA $5 (You must be current PDGA for pro)
$5 late fee for morning sign ups

EXTRAS!
The Hunt for Wilmont�s $100 Treasure!
Black Gold Stamped 10th Anniversary Soft Challenger to all players!
TeamDisaster.com Pick your Partner Doubles, Friday September 21st

IMPORTANT
There are no guaranteed spots for morning sign ups, so sign up early
Two rounds of 18 with tee times for the final round of 27
Players meeting at 9:00 am

For more information
Call Gimp at 713-728-3393
Email: uncdrummer@hotmail.com
Web: www.hfds.org (http://www.hfds.org), www.teamdisaster.com (http://www.teamdisaster.com)

With gas prices sharply increasing, we would like to provide places for some of our traveling golfers to stay during States. Please email me directly if you are willing to have a few golfers stay at your place over the weekend of Texas States.

uncdrummer@hotmail.com

If you are coming in from out of town and would like a place to stay, please let me know and I will try to arrange accommodations for you.

It really is going to April next year?!? Well that's good news...when in April? As long as the Pecan Park Open is still on, maybe I can make both!

I wonder when the PDGA is going to put 2006 events on the schedule.

Last years GCCS finale date, April 22-23 will be the 11th Texas States - - yes Pecan is still on :)

April 22-23 is perfect. I was worried that it might be the weekend before, which is the same weekend as the Bowling Green Open in KY.

As much as I love Texas State Championships, competing against 470+ AMs on the same weekend is more fun.

Now it looks like I'll get to play in back-to-back A tiers that month.

Yea they would not put a NT up against BG :D

Hey if any of you fellers need a place to ride out RITA.... get a hold of me and we will take care of you all.
I got space and I know of other space. No sence in trying to find a place to crash. When we can help

I've been told that many events are moving around a little next year (A and NT). It is going to require a lot of shuffling in a schedule as tight as ours to make it all fit.

Yea they would not put a NT up against BG :D



yeah, except most NT don't hold a candle to Bowling Green (except for the guys and gals in the Pro divisions, as the BG event is AM only). There were 460+ AM players at BG last year --- how many NTs outdrew BG (Worlds, any others...?) The MA1 Division had 267 players.

It's HUGE --- and the cool thing was playing such a big tournament in such a little town, there were disc golfers everywhere...

For Am players BG is the NT event of the year...if not in name, then in actuallity. I'm just glad I get to play in both the BG and Texas States next year.

Hey Vinnie I found a place to crash before I saw your post, but your offer is GREATLY appreciated... I was almost down to not having a place to go and if that sucker had hit as a 4+ we would NOT have wanted to be here lol

Gimp, would it be alright if I sign up and pay you on firday morning?

went to titledisc to register... did not find Tx States... :confused:

I looked for it also and no luck

ok now i am REALLY confused.... the title of this thread is

"10th Annual Texas State Disc Golf Championship"

and the first post says to register on titledisc.

titledisc doesnt show Tx States.

one of us must be hungover... so who is it? :D

What is it like 4 weeks away.

Give um time man. :p

WTF?? Is there somethign wrong between Ben anbd Gimp?

Seems Titledisc is not having his events up long before the actual dates.....

Of course, I have ZERO info, so just asking, not making any accusations.....

Gonna mail in my entry.

bangda, i aint betching... just trying to sign up like the post told me to.

Ben is a busy man these days. I am sure if Gimp has summited the info for Titledisc, it takes about a week to get the stuff built and approved. Shoot, Ben may be in Pakastan again for all we know.

Yep Ben is busy going through all his plastic he has won in his 15 year AM career.

I know but I am sure that is not on the TD, and I know he has had a lot of other things on his plate lately.

Title disc has been ticking me off anyways so I don't use it anymore, but I guess Ben doesn't need the extra cash flow. :p

The stuff was sent around the time the 1st post was made. I am sure Ben will have it up ASAP or shoot me a check made out to HFDS (Division + Ace if you want it + non-PDGA for non member AMS).

6014 Sanford
Houston, Texas 77096

We already have an RSVP from Montana! lol :D

Sweet, glad to hear it!!! Now I just need to get the Dinero together, to play and staff, not just staff!!

:cool:

Ware, mailed our entry fee money in we are in. Ben Who?? good ole US mail.. :D

yep yep

Will be good to see the Dragons in Houston!!!!

we will be there.....in force!

Hey if any of you fellers need a place to ride out RITA.... get a hold of me and we will take care of you all.
I got space and I know of other space. No sence in trying to find a place to crash. When we can help



Slow to get back on the board. Thanks for the invite Vinnie. I did make it to Austin for some golf though. Circle "D" and Mike created a monster in south Austin.

Any person or organization that would like to be a 2005 Texas States Sponsor needs to contact me with their pledge by the end of next week to be in the program etc. Thank you to everyone who has already come through this year - - this is going to be one heck of a Texas States!!!!

It has been created and sent for review to Gimp...

It should be up very soon for y'all...

==>Ben

It's up now on titleDISC...

Gimp and I had email fly-by's this last week....

Take care all,

How many Grand masters signed up Gimp?

It just got up on titledisc. I would expect a few for sure... Lots of info coming up...

Who�s ready for smack plaques????? :)

STATES!! JUST AROUND THE CORNER! CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!

yeah what he said......
We were trying to rent a house for all the dragons....is there a chance we can get some floor space with anyone in the Houston area?

I could manage some floor space for 2-3.....

but 45 minutes or so from Bass, with a 2 year old at home....

might have to take you up on the day care :D
unless someone else wants to help out
thanks
rooms are hard to find in houston

like to stay where the poker is :D

Vinnie - Rent the dragons a beach house. It's only 45 to 1 hour away.

If not, Michael Ynfante has told me that his house (30 minutes from the course) could house several players.

I know of a couple Hemmeline's looking!

Poker likely at Casa De Gimp.....

Has anyone heard of any hotel's near the course's?

I think that is the bad side of town.

I know Macgregar is a really bad part of town, and it is only a couple of miles away.

If possible, it's better to stay south of Houston, in Pearland (the town literally across the creek from the Wilmont's #1-2-3). I have a call into one, so I should know more later. I'll post the info for it or all of them later today or tomorrow morning at the latest.

Thanks Tony, Is it safe to camp out there or is it possible someone will rob my tent? :D

I think that is the bad side of town.

I know Macgregar is a really bad part of town, and it is only a couple of miles away.



:mad:
Just because we don't have the money of The Woodlands....
:)

Bass is actually in a good part of the Houston area, as the suburbs are developing new areas all around it. The area around the Dome (where we used to direct people to) is not the best, but slowly improving since the new stadium went in. Still, Pearland is much better, with newer development.

This isn't the place to discuss MacGregor, but I will say it's not what Chris says it is.

Thanks Tony, Is it safe to camp out there or is it possible someone will rob my tent? :D



Roving bands of municipal ball golfers and cricket players roam the area, so you'd better watch out!

There is no camping in the park, but there is a campground nearby as well. I'll add that to the list to post later.

how about the marriot off 45? 9100 Gulf Freeway

Has anyone heard of any hotel's near the course's?



You could try one of these:

http://static.flickr.com/31/50025643_cb4cf891d4_o.jpg

Holiday Inn Express's are usually pretty nice.

If you're looking for pay by hour rates, Robbie. (Don't know about the HIE) :)

Look south, in Pearland, near TX 35.

Hampton Inn (who I'm talking to)
Holiday Inn Express
Best Western

Campground is in Manvel, another 5-10 min south on 288.

Whatever Tony.

All I know is that Mcgregar is a bad part of town, right next to where all the crack is at, and I don't live in The Woodlands my parents do. :mad:

what about the marriot off 9100 Gulf Freeway ??

Campgrounds (http://camping.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=camping&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocampingamerica.com%2Falmosth eaven%2F) and here is the phone number. 281-489-8561. Camped last year it was nice.

Whatever Tony.

All I know is that Mcgregar is a bad part of town, right next to where all the crack is at, and I don't live in The Woodlands my parents do. :mad:



All I know is I play there every week and never have problems (or had). Blacks and Mexicans do not automatically equal a bad part of town. While the areas nearby (across UH) aren't spectacular the areas between UH and MacGregOr are fine.


Ware, probably 30 minutes away. That's over by the airport and I'm not familar enough with that area. The accomodations should be fine at the corporate lodging sites.

ok thanks I will keep my room than.,

Eat breakfast at Frank's Grill on Telephone Rd. Good stuff. :cool:

Is this eatery in a good part of town? Can I eat my eggs without looking over my shoulder with my gun drawn? :p

Yea I don't see running a poker tourney at my house in the middle of running an A-tier but nice try cong... I may change my mind though lmao...


States SMACK plaques/Moffitt reminder!

Smack Plaques are available to smack on your friends, enemies or loved ones. See below for details. Get me your �smack� text asap and mail your check in or bring it to us at the event.

State�s registration is up at http://www.titledisc.com/Events/2005_TX_State_Championships.php

LAST CHANCE FOR TEE SIGN SPONSORSHIP FOR THIS YEAR�S STATES. Get me your pledge/logo by the end of the week to be included in the literature etc.

Please remember the Moffitt LSS event is coming up on October 8th. The ace pot has not been hit ($545 currently), so if we have our normal 50 golfers that would put the ace pot around $800 with a legit shot at it being $1,000 after signups are done!

Titledisc up - http://www.titledisc.com/Events/LoneStarSeries_4.php REMEMBER ANY PLAYER WHO SIGNS UP EARLY GETS A PLAYERS PACK! Get there by 9:00 on the day of the even and you are in!

More Texas States information to come soon!!!

Players...SUPPORT TEXAS STATES!
And �Post� Your Smack at the same Time!
�Smack Plaques�
will be available on each hole at Texas States.
We will compose and print your
message, advertisement, or smack...
(in good humor please)
These plaques will stay up for the entire weekend.
The cost is $25.
You can simply email your message to:
John �Gimp� Edwards, Tournament Director at
uncdrummer@hotmail.com
Your email request will serve as you�re pledge to pay for your
Smack Plaque on Friday or Saturday of the event.

who is driving from Austin?

No word yet on a discount rate but here are the Pearland hotels.

Hampton Inn - Pearland
6515 West Broadway Street
Pearland TX 77581
Phone: (832) 736-9977
Fax:(832) 736-9911

Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites
1702 N. Main St.
Pearland TX 77581
Phone: (281) 997-2600
Fax:(281) 997-8332

Best Western Pearland Inn
1855 N. Main (Hwy35)
Pearland TX 77581
Phone: (281) 997-2000
Fax:(281) 997-0797

dad... i don't know how to use this! but i set it up today. bye and love you.

I'll see if we can offer a place to stay for some out-of-towners here...we aren't close to the course, but there is very likely to be some poker here! :D

poke her :DI like that game. :D

who is driving from Austin?



yo.

we plan on going

who's staying where?

STATESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ware where are we staying? Players list?

Marriot!!!

so there is no disc golf ball golf challenge this year?

:cool:

Renaissance Hotel, $79 on priceline.com!

BOO Priceline! Priceline is not cool for flights, but perhaps they are better with hotels. They are ANAL with canceling, changing, or anything that involves calling them after the sale.

On a separate note...I noticed on the 2006 Tour calendar that Texas States is on separate days for pro's and am's. Am I reading it correctly?? Am's are playing on Sunday and Monday? How is that going to work?

On a separate note...I noticed on the 2006 Tour calendar that Texas States is on separate days for pro's and am's. Am I reading it correctly?? Am's are playing on Sunday and Monday? How is that going to work?



Looks like a typo.

It's a typo unless the Ams are playing on Sunday/Monday

andin thatcase it would be accurate

Typo -

No Ball Gold challenge this year...

Players list when I get back from Florida but I have your check Jerry/Ware.

Tom Bass clean up day this Sunday starting at 8:00. We need to do everything from trimming to painting to picking up branches. Please bring your gear and help us out. Look for Jerry, Stimpy and Louis out at the course!

CYA there!

Gimp

I don't see why we paimt the benches every year I never see anyone out there once states is over. :D:D

Because they look purty for the tourney :D

Yeah one weekend a year. In that case i say we polish the baskets and rake the boxes. :D:D

It probably sounds too much like work for a 16-year old... :D

No just kinda pointless I mean you put your Arse on the thing. :D

scooter you are not looking for good Karma are you ?? :D

I am bringing 4 or 5 baskets and I will be at the workday it is just we paint themm every year for on event. :D

but we all appreciate it. thanks

but we all appreciate it. thanks



No prob the Kharma will get me an extra 5 strokes per round. :D

but we all appreciate it. thanks



No prob the Kharma will get me an extra 5 strokes per round. :D



so you predicting a win there scooter? :D

I might need more than that. Hey if they spot me 20 then I will predict a win. :D:D

But if you didn't paint them once a year, just think how bad they would look after two or three years of no paint. You would probably have to start replacing them instead of painting them.

Well, if you don't want to paint benches, there are certainly other things that need to be done...pretty good sized tree in #3's tee box for one. That one looks like it's gonna be a 8-man job just to drag it out of there...and there are a lot of tall vegetative obstacles in the fairway there, and all over the Clear Creek side of Wilmont.

Rita didn't seem to do too much damage to Bass, but there is a lot of loose debris laying all over the place out there.

Any sign of the mowing crew yet?

do we need to bring lawn mowers?

Jerry said most of the mowing is done...

whoooo hooooo I just got permission from the wife to play states and its my birthday!!!!!!!!!! see ya there gimp.
by the way, check out the rita destruction on our website www.gtdiscgolf.com (http://www.gtdiscgolf.com) under user galleries eljefe. The devestation as made for some interesting play. We will have the island up and playable for the feb lone star series tourney (a few less trees)

Well, if you don't want to paint benches, there are certainly other things that need to be done...pretty good sized tree in #3's tee box for one. That one looks like it's gonna be a 8-man job just to drag it out of there...and there are a lot of tall vegetative obstacles in the fairway there, and all over the Clear Creek side of Wilmont.

Rita didn't seem to do too much damage to Bass, but there is a lot of loose debris laying all over the place out there.

Any sign of the mowing crew yet?



They will probably just use the old box for states. :confused:

I hate to disappoint My Hero, but the 10-day weather forecast is looking pretty good! Weather.Com 10-day Houston Forecast (http://www.weather.com/activities/other/other/weather/tenday.html?locid=77077&from=36hr_fcst10DayLink_undeclared)

If the mowing is done as reported, the courses will be in excellent shape for States! It sure is gonna be a treat to get to play in it this year!

It would be a first for me. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Can't wait to play the new willy.

I'm sure that you'll like it Chris...all of you "long-arms" will like the changes! :D

In my humble (short-arm) opinion, all of the changes added at least 1 stroke in distance/difficulty each...with the lone exception of #3 which only favors some of us locals that know the line. :D

#14 is a solid par 5 whereas before, I used to be able to snag a 4 on it occasionally...not any more though!

The good hurricane news is that on Willy's #8, there are some large branches that have blown over and wedged themselves on trees on the steep slope down to the creek. If you overshoot the pin by just a tad, you won't necessarily get punished by being OB in the creek. You might end up with a pretty awkward stance on the steep slope, but those branches might save a penalty stroke! :D

It remains to be seen on how we're gonna deal with OB on #9 this year...there wasn't any water out there at all last weekend. Maybe we'll string it this year...I don't know...

Players list? :D

Typo -

No Ball Gold challenge this year...

Players list when I get back from Florida but I have your check Jerry/Ware.



Back on Tuesday...

Erron,
If you still are looking for a place to crash at in Houston you are welcome to stay at my pad. I'm about 25mins from the turnament. Contact me at this site or at www.avalos@gaddesigns.com if you are .

Hello! If anyone need a place to crash, I can have 2 or 3 person stay at my house, on couchs, or floor. email me at Ace13@tmail.com I live up north of Houston, It take me about 40 mins to T. Bass.

Vinnie,
There is space at my place, just hit me up and I will make arrangements. www.avalos@gaddesigns.com or at this site.

Guillermo

how many spots are available?

I need space for 2.

can't seem to use your web site

TRY THIS LINK (http://www.gaddesigns.com)

Thats the actual link, dunno WTF Guillermo was trying to link you directly to.....

I pulled up the site, before i typed this, so know it works....



And on a Sidenote.....I BEAT MATT HALL IN A DISTANCE COMPETITION!!!!

Actaully Won the farking thing...... :eek:

4 days away. is there a player list? appears a slight chance of rain Friday evening.

FRIDAY Chance Of
Showers Hi: 85�F
Precipitation: 20%

FRIDAY
NIGHT Chance Of
Showers Lo: 59�F Precipitation: 20%

SATURDAY Mostly
Sunny Hi: 80�F

SATURDAY
NIGHT Mostly
Clear Hi: 79�F
Lo: 59�F

SUNDAY Mostly
Clear Hi: 79�F
Lo: 59�F

MONDAY Mostly
Clear Hi: 79�F
Lo: 59�F

Now that we're back up...

The courses look awesome. We just need to wax the green on Wilmont #8. :)

Wish I was playing this year.

Such a welcome weather report! Thanks Seewhere.

Now, since the weekend forecast is a dry one, (and not too hot) are there any ladies who aren't afraid to head down our way?

Just remember this is a chance to play all these courses before the NT arrives next April.

Which course will the pros play first on Saturday?

And on a Sidenote.....I BEAT MATT HALL IN A DISTANCE COMPETITION!!!!

Actaully Won the farking thing......




..........WHAT!!!!! WTG CONG!!!

Players list later in the week I am still in Fld.

Doubles on Friday - - you have to start in time to finish in the light (if you don't it is YOUR fault, not the staff's).

$16 each for AM, $21 each for PRO (The extra $1 is going to the food bank).

I don't have the program with me to tell you which course the pros start on...

I can bring my basket(Mach V) if you need any extra. let me know.

16 each for AM, $21 each for PRO (The extra $1 is going to the food bank).


is this each team or each person so total for dubs would be $ 42???

looks like each person to me.

big $

What's up H-Town?? Hey, is there anybody with some floor space for me, Kevin Willis and Randy Smith from Victoria for Fri. and Sat. nights??? I'd sure hate to drive back and forth both days!!

TEXAS STATES BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like he already posted it, but here it is again!

Anyone have any space? Jason Terry, Randy Smith and Kevin Willis are looking for a spot. Post here if you have somethnig and give Jason a call at(361)582-4948.

Yes, BIG money doubles - - $21 PER PERSON in open, $16 PER PERSON in AM - - BRING IT! :D

so we are clear that is PER PERSON NOT PER TEAM? how hard is it to complete the sentence? :D

Fixed above - - sorry VERY busy day... :D

ball golf challenge?

Nope this year on the BGDG challenge.

Looks like a good weekend for camping�

http://camping.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=camping&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocampingamerica.com%2Falmosth eaven%2F

281-489-8561

Any clue on the pro turnout this year? :confused:

Me, JD, and Keith are coming down from D/FW.

I'm there! but jim aint making it!

First list is up...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4720#Open

This is the PAID list - tons more that I know are going to be there - -should be a GREAT weekend of golf - - :D

One thing I forgot to mention before this was the winners of the Advanced Men�s and Intermediate Men�s divisions will win a Discraft ChainStar basket.

I hope there is still a spot open in the Int. div. thursday :)...i will be coming from Corpus....were do i sign up once im in HTOWN :confused:...ill be there in the evening..say 4-6pm

Sign up at the course on Friday - - we will not fill with THREE championship courses! :D

It is going to be absolutely GORGEOUS this weekend, so if you are not planning on playing this year�s Texas States � CHANGE YOUR PLANS AND COME! :)

Title disc will be up until late Thursday night, so sign up early and help the TD staff out. We will be out at the course during doubles taking signups as well, and if you just HAVE to wait until Saturday morning you better be there by 8:00 (hard cut off), and you better bring $5 extra to get a spot. The players meeting will be at 9:00 and the current list of PAID registrations can be found at: http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4720

There has been some confusion on membership. To play pro division you HAVE to be a current PDGA member. You do not have to be a member to play in the AM divisions this year ($5 non-member fee applies). 100% payout in the AM divisions PLUS the players pack this year�

Remember that the $1,000+ Lone Star Series will be up for grabs at Circle R in Wimberley the weekend after states. More information can be found at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com)

FRIDAY TEAM DISASTER BIG MONEY DOUBLES

AM Divisions
$16 per player ($32 per team)
Pick your plastic payout for the top 1/3rd within each division

PRO
$21 per player ($42 per team)

Yes, $1 per person per player will be donated to the Houston Food bank.

Sign up as early as 2:00 at the center pavilion and start as late as you think you can finish (yes if you finish in the dark it is YOUR fault not the staff�s :) )

SATURDAY FLY MART

Bring your merchandise, collectibles etc and share your items with everyone at the Saturday Fly Mart while you wait for the Sunday tee times to be posted. We do request that you only sale your merchandise during this time and we are asking for a $10 tournament donation per table. See the TD John Edwards to reserve a spot.

CAMPING INFORMATION

I have heard this place is pretty nice if you are looking to camp.

http://camping.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=camping&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gocampingamerica.com%2Falmosth eaven%2F



Texas State Disc Golf Championship, Oct. 22nd and 23rd

10th Annual Texas State
Disc Golf Championship
A PDGA SuperTour Event on
Three Championship Courses
All at Tom Bass Complex, Houston, Texas
October 22nd and 23rd
All Divisions on the Same Weekend!


� Texas States will become a PDGA National Tour Event and move to April in 2006, start getting ready by playing this year!
� Pros � A Tier - $1,500 added to the pro purse
� Ams & Jrs � B Tier
� 100% payout in quality pick your plastic for amateur�s

To Register:
� GO TO www.hfds.org (http://www.hfds.org) FOR ENTRY FORM
� Or register online at www.Titledisc.com (http://www.Titledisc.com)
� Or Send name, phone, email and specify division, with check payable to: Houston Flying Disc Society, c/o John �Gimp� Edwards III, 6014 Sanford
� Houston, Texas 77096

2005 fees:
Pro $89
Adv Divisions: $58
Int Divisions: $48
Rec Divisions: $38
Jrs Divisions: $25
Ace pot $5
Non PDGA $5 (You must be current PDGA for pro)
$5 late fee for morning sign ups

EXTRAS!
The Hunt for Wilmont�s $100 Treasure!
Black Gold Stamped 10th Anniversary Soft Challenger to all players!
TeamDisaster.com Pick your Partner Doubles, Friday September 21st

IMPORTANT
There are no guaranteed spots for morning sign ups, so sign up early
Two rounds of 18 with tee times for the final round of 27
Players meeting at 9:00 am

For more information
Call Gimp at 713-728-3393
Email: uncdrummer@hotmail.com
Web: www.hfds.org (http://www.hfds.org), www.teamdisaster.com (http://www.teamdisaster.com)

Double your chances of taking home some cash this weekend!

Texas No Limit Hold Em Poker tourney on Saturday night of Texas State Disc Golf Championship!

9pm at Larry's place. $20 buy-in; no add-ons, no rebuys. Ask him or Gimp for directions. It's basically at the NW corner of the 610 loop.

The Worlds series game will be on the television!

Please let us know if you plan to attend, so we know how many tables to get. Thank you very much!

(...and no - I don't have a reg list to post yet...)

GOOO STROS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TEXAS STATES!!!!!!! IT GOING BE HUGE!!!!!

poker.....hmmmm....I like poker

poker.....hmmmm....I like poker



me too!! :D

FO SHIZZLE!!!!!!

I much prefer Tournament Style, no re-buys......

Doesnt benefit those with extra $$$$$$

;)

cash games rule!! anyone can come and go as they please!! with a 9 o'clock start time a tourney style game can and usually lasts till the wee hours of the morning!! That is tough on a tournament weekend!!! :D

I agree.
A poker tournament is good as long as it starts early

Gimp you guys got the baskets you need?

I second, cash game is the way to go.
I ain't staying up late Sat.

SATURDAY FLY MART

Bring your merchandise, collectibles etc and share your items with everyone at the Saturday Fly Mart while you wait for the Sunday tee times to be posted. We do request that you only sale your merchandise during this time and we are asking for a $10 tournament donation per table. See the TD John Edwards to reserve a spot.


so who usually brings what? i have never been to one of these can you give a little insight? :D

Progressive blind increases every 20 (and eventually 15) minutes will ensure that we wrap it up well before midnight...

Might run a side table for a cash game too if there is interest.

It's sounding like there's some interest here! :D

**** if there is a cash game I may have to come lmao - - we have baskets Cware, but if yours is a real high quality one please go a head and bring it!
:D

quality one wont fit. I was going to let Todd know if you still need his if you have not already talk to him

We might need like two for putting practice. :confused:

I was looking at the Pre-reg page and I saw that Jay Harbour(Huk Lab) was signed up. I hope this wasn't a typo as I played with him this summer and he is a very cool guy. :D

Hey Matt...

Just rolled into big D after a short jaunt from Portland. On to Houston tomorrow for my first TX States experience! Can't hardly wait.

I will have huk lab gear available at the FlyMart Sat. eve.

If anyone has some additional floor space available, I will kindly return the favor when you come huck in the Beaver State.

Feel free to give me a dial at 503.888.8423. Thanks to all for considering and we'll see y'all tomorrow.

try this link for Huk Lab!!
HUK LAB (http://www.huklab.com/)

I will play for cash as long as you teach me how to play poker. :)

Need a doubles partner. INT or higher. See ya'll Friday.

We'd be delighted to give you some poker lessons! Bring lotsa cash.


:D

I'll teach ya' even if you think you don't need teachin' there Todd :D

I will bring lots o' cash. :D But, be gentle its my first time.

Bring it!!! :D

sounds like some innova folks are here for states!!! :D

Nope, they were here for a parks and rec convention. I told them about States, but they were headed back to Cali tonight.

Unsure if I will be playing, or just Staffing.....

FO SHO on "HOLD'EM" Tournament Style at Casa De Lizard!

Yeah Buddy, Readings in Houstonia! Long drive from South Cacalacky. Really looking forward to seeing you Texans, celebrating Des' World Championship and playing some Texas Hyzer Golf ;). We brought lots of goodies and will have a few of the USDGC limited Rocs available this weekend. Bring your trade bait.....

good to see you and des back !!!! see ya in H-town!! :D

glad to see you two making it to town. Gonna have to get my girlfriend who is learning to watch Des for a while!

YeTi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey will you teach this kid to putt in his home courses? :D

can I use my FEMA money at the poker game? I'll see ya sat am and find out whats going on, Ive been tryin like hell to get fuzzy to Htown with no luck. By the way Gimp, since its my birthday, I know you'll save a seat at the table for me!!!!

For anyone up late... http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4720#Open

You HAVE to be there by 8:00 to sign up if you want a spot - - bring an extra $5...

everything is running smooth. Coda leading open by 5 and Joel I believe is leading Masters. Dagon and his girlfriend along with the readings found the buried treasure under the bridge by the dragon. windy as hell but DRY :p El chile and V miller are both hurt but are gutting it out. later

scores? besides Texas 52 Tech 17

Scores have been sent to Gimp and he'll be getting the up shortly...

I don't think the PDGA online scoring program is gonna handle the tee times for tomorrow quite right, but those guys always have a way of surprising me.

Go Stros! Astros first ever World Series game is on, and people are starting to show up for the Texas State Texas Hold'Em Poker tourney! :D (I'm gonna cash at this one!)
:D

Scores and tee times are up... Great day for golf today and we have a SWEET payout.

Over $2,000 added to pro and 143% back to ams - Thanks you to all the sponsors!!!! :D

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4720&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Open

Looks like the tee times came up right. I also believe the courses are in right for the ratings...

:cool:

There is some redemption in air from my horrible rounds in Corpus! Holy smokes! I played 63 points above my rating in round 2!!!!

Thanks Gimp! Now get your butt over here for some poker!!!

Will the Texas State Champ being an Okie? :D

Keep it Rolling Coda!

Well, I have to give a big "hat's off" to the staff. Everything was great and smoothly run. A big thank you to GOD for the greatest golf weather ever. I've gotten out of the golf game. Other than WACO in June and this one, I can't think of any other rounds I've played this year. I just wanted to play the tenth annual. Boy, am I glad I did. Even though I didn't play well (really didn't expect too) and my allergies were killing me, it was so much fun. Thanks everyone!

The Colonel

Will the Texas State Champ being an Okie? :D

Keep it Rolling Coda!



so who won?

Coda wins MPO division, and local homeboy, Chris Flesner takes second, Yeti takes 3rd and there was a 3-way tie for 4th place.

Des smoked the 27 hole round today dropping an 85! Gimp announced that her score bested all but 5 Open players! (And that was after starting out the round with an OB on Wilmont #1!

Joel Kelly takes Masters even though local Neal Dambra was chasing him hard!

Another local Joel Greer took home the Advanced title as did Deatra Hunter in Female Advanced and Adam Stallman in Rec division.

scores?

Great win Coda.

Hey Gimp you have the wrong PDGA # for Alex Downs should be #15217

Scores and payouts are up... Thank you to everyone who came out! :D

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4720&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Open

scores?



Come on now - - is 10 mins after I got home not fast enough??? :cool:

Thanks for scorekeeping and getting them to me in the email FAST Larry!

<table border="1"><tr><td> PRO</td><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Dagon</td><td>Owen</td><td>Robbie</td><td>Bratton</td><td>45</td><td>$147.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Dean</td><td>Hilbert</td><td>Coda</td><td>Hatfield</td><td>45</td><td>$147.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Jay</td><td>Walsdorf</td><td>Mike</td><td>Ynfante</td><td>45</td><td>$147.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian</td><td>Schmidt</td><td>Carlos</td><td>Molina</td><td>46</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jay</td><td>Reading</td><td>Vinnie</td><td>Miller</td><td>46</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Ron</td><td>Klein</td><td>Jeff</td><td>Cooper</td><td>47</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian</td><td>Chancey</td><td>Kim</td><td>Pech</td><td>48</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Clint</td><td>Hiligiest</td><td>Bubba</td><td>Berry</td><td>51</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave</td><td>Nesbitt</td><td>Rob</td><td>Engle</td><td>53</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Don</td><td>Wilcheck</td><td>Neal</td><td>Dambra</td><td>53</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason</td><td>Houston</td><td>Chris</td><td>Farnham</td><td>54</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Women\'s Advanced</td><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>De\'Atra</td><td>Hunter</td><td>Susan</td><td>Mac</td><td>61</td><td>$30.00
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Men\'s Advanced</td><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Richard</td><td>Rasch</td><td>Brian</td><td>Pearson</td><td>51</td><td>$46.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Ruben</td><td>Camp.</td><td>Robert</td><td>O</td><td>51</td><td>$46.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Mike</td><td>Smith</td><td>Trey</td><td>Reeves</td><td>51</td><td>$46.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Darrell</td><td>Higgins</td><td>Joel</td><td>Greer</td><td>51</td><td>$46.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Randy</td><td>Roland</td><td>Larry</td><td>Allen</td><td>54</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Tim</td><td>Robinson</td><td>Dustin</td><td>Galmor</td><td>54</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Men\'s Intermediate</td><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Guillermo</td><td>Avalos</td><td>Rick</td><td>Garcia</td><td>51</td><td>$100.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Tony</td><td>Hernandez</td><td>Rene</td><td></td><td>52</td><td>$80.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Robert</td><td>Phillips</td><td>Steve</td><td>Casinger</td><td>54</td><td>$60.00
</td></tr><tr><td>Chuck</td><td>Davis</td><td>Bart</td><td>Taylor</td><td>55</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jimbo</td><td>Sl.</td><td>Tom</td><td>Nocak</td><td>57</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jennfier</td><td>Perry</td><td>Jay</td><td>Perry</td><td>58</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Thomas</td><td>Burks</td><td>Edwards</td><td>Schmidt</td><td>58</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Don</td><td>Young</td><td>Andi</td><td>Lehmann</td><td>59</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Men\'s Recreational</td><td></td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Adam</td><td>Gillum</td><td>Mo</td><td>P.</td><td>61</td><td>$30.00
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Coda wins MPO division, and local homeboy, Chris Flesner takes second, Yeti takes 3rd and there was a 3-way tie for 4th place.

Des smoked the 27 hole round today dropping an 85! Gimp announced that her score bested all but 5 Open players! (And that was after starting out the round with an OB on Wilmont #1!

Joel Kelly takes Masters even though local Neal Dambra was chasing him hard!

Another local Joel Greer took home the Advanced title as did Deatra Hunter in Female Advanced and Adam Stallman in Rec division.

congrats to all the winners!

but larry, i gotta ask ya,... WHERES MY LOVE??? :D

you did good sandleman..... you did good...... :D

BTW - that was a 2nd Annual Event... I was TD of the first one :cool:

The drive from Portland was worth every mile. Great job Gimp and Team HFDS! Many thanks to Mike Enfonte for for taking care of me and Boojum all weekend. Great weather, people and many fun and different holes from the ones I'm used to made for a fantastic weekend.

Ahhhh...so very sorry to have forgotten one of the most pleasurable rounds I had out there - it was a great pleasure to get to play the opening round with you Sandleman! :D

I wish I could claim you were a local to H-town, but alas! Great going Pat!

We've exchanged wit over the message board for years and have only met briefly before...it was really cool to get to play a round with you!

nice showing cfles :cool:

Had a great time on some great courses!! Wow , i cannot believe i had never played these courses prior to this weekend!! I will definately be back for this tournament in April!! Big props to all staff and volunteers that made this possible. You guys did a stellar job with everything this weekend!! I had a blast on every card I played on this weekend , hats off to all I had the privledge of playing golf with this past weekend!! :D:D:D

Wow, great job Chris Flesner...I was rooting for you if for no other reason than to have a Texan as the Texas State Champion.

Actually, Chris technically is the Texas State Champion since Coda only lives in Texas on the weekends! Not sure if he cares, but since he's winning so much money in Texas, he doesn't have to pay state income tax on it...

Ya, I had my chances but every time I was about to pull even with coda we would make it right back.

Those are three of my favorite courses in Texas and I will be back for the NT for sure.

Thxs to Gimp and all the staff for the best Texas States that I have been to. Temps in the 80's, no rain, and minimal winds.

minimal winds

huh? :DGOOD shooting Chris

Great win Coda, and Dean Hilbert did well in Masters too

Congrats to Coda Hatfield the new Texas State Champ. Excellent showing Flesner. YOU HAD IT IAN!! Your coming up well keep it up. Joel Kelly pulls off yet another win. Good job Sandalman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Good job Houston!

I used to live in Houston and that was minimal winds for Tom Bass even though it was windy that last round.

Great playing with you that first round Chris, hope to see you and everybody else up at the VPO in a couple of weeks.

Dean Hilbert did well in Masters

you mean adv masters .. :D

sorry you wont be seeing me playing anymore until I learn to Putt what an embarrasment :confused:

Sorry, you're right, didn't mean to put ol' Dean up there with the fellas playing for $$$

what division did Andi Lehman play?? also how did the salazar's split the same $$ with different scores?

She didnt, she withdrew due to nobody else playing FPM, and not wanting to play FPO.

She was on the courses all weekend for her Boy Toy, Don Young caddying ;)

Boy toy? Maybe her Man Slave.

He'll too close to master age to be considered a boy.

LOL!

Guess you were just jealous. Sure you'd like to be someone's toy! :o

It is just sad that she was not given the option to play Pro Master in the same pool as the other Pro players. :( Being offered to play in the rec pool just doesn't seem right.

WOW offering a pro to play with recs? yuck.

Andi was given an option to play as the only FPM entry, but she was assigned to a card of Intermediate division players - not Rec. division. These are the players comparable to Andi's PDGA player rating. The PDGA states that Pro players can move down to the amateur division where their player rating allows them. This was what was offered and she chose to opt out of based on her rating of 879.

The days of offering 1-person divisions are probably at an end. It is a shame that there aren't more female master players, or female players in general. It sure would be great to see full fields (or even a full card) of female players out there.

The rule states:

Professional and Amateur players should not be grouped together, and all players from different divisions shall be segregated from each other during play as much as practicable.

Could she have been grouped with the Pro Masters?

She can move down by choice, but cant be forced to move down because there is not anyone else in the division right?

i'd like to give a huge round of applause to Gimp, the staff, and the Houston player community for continuing the impressive tradition of standard-setting events on the three courses that define texas disc golf.

factor in the beautiful weather, then throw in a very generous helping of fat payout in both Pro and Am divisions, and the players who didnt/couldnt make it really missed a winner in this one.

thanks Houston! as always, you did yourself proud!

i'd like to give a huge round of applause to Gimp, the staff, and the Houston player community for continuing the impressive tradition of standard-setting events on the three courses that define texas disc golf.

factor in the beautiful weather, then throw in a very generous helping of fat payout in both Pro and Am divisions, and the players who didnt/couldnt make it really missed a winner in this one.

thanks Houston! as always, you did yourself proud!





And there you have it folks.... Another tournament cerified by the sandalman.


I concur 100% with Pats' observations. The event was a complete success! The comp in Adv. Masters was epic! Those that choose not to make it missed out on a great Texas tournament. Maybe next year; Seewhere will find his putt, Andi will have a division; I will learn to drive more then 250', we will be able to drink in the park and I will find the Wilmont treasure. Team Brooks got real close this year!

Seewhere will find his putt

I can only hope so. :D

I think I saw it @ Wimberly :Dso be ther on the 29th and you should find it

The rule states:

Professional and Amateur players should not be grouped together, and all players from different divisions shall be segregated from each other during play as much as practicable.

Could she have been grouped with the Pro Masters?

She can move down by choice, but cant be forced to move down because there is not anyone else in the division right?



Really didnt want to quote myself but I would like to see some clarification to this. Not causing trouble, just asking some questions.

Why wasnt she put into the Pro pool if she was playing Pro Master? The 2 Open women were put into a Pro pool werent they? What exactly was the difference?

Yes, the player in question could have been grouped with either the Pro Women or the Pro Masters by rule.

An exception was being made to accomodate her 1 person division at the discretion of the tournament staff, as has been done in past TX States, in spite of the tournament's desires in '05 and in spite of rule 804.08A which does not require a TD to open a division of less than 4 players. With PDGA's new policy of allowing small division pro players like the FPM to play in alternative amateur divisions (in this case MM1 or MA2), the tournament staff felt that the best place for this division to play for the sake of the event was with the Intermediate Men due to similar player ratings of the divisions. The player was informed that she would still receive her Pro points and would be paid in a fair and appropriate manner for a 1 person division.

When informed of these accomodations, the player asked to withdraw from the event, and this request was granted and her entry fee fully refunded.

Yes, the player in question could have been grouped with either the Pro Women or the Pro Masters by rule.

An exception was being made to accomodate her 1 person division at the discretion of the tournament staff, as has been done in past TX States, in spite of the tournament's desires in '05 and in spite of rule 804.08A which does not require a TD to open a division of less than 4 players.

<font color="red"> G. A director may not restrict a player from playing in the division which the player is registered with the PDGA, unless the director has established a fair procedure which gives players advance notice and said procedure has been approved by the PDGA Competition Director. A director may not forbid a player from competing in a Professional division for which the player qualifies and which division is being offered for competition.

It has to be declared before the tournie, and it wasnt on the flyer nor the entry form.
</font>

With PDGA's new policy of allowing small division pro players like the FPM to play in alternative amateur divisions (in this case MM1 or MA2), the tournament staff felt that the best place for this division to play for the sake of the event was with the Intermediate Men due to similar player ratings of the divisions. The player was informed that she would still receive her Pro points and would be paid in a fair and appropriate manner for a 1 person division.

<font color="red"> Key word "allowing", not making them play in an am division. Also why werent Des and Courtney made to play with the Advanced men, because their ratings are very similar as well, and being only a two person division your same "rules" would apply, right?</font>

When informed of these accomodations, the player asked to withdraw from the event, and this request was granted and her entry fee fully refunded.



I would have done the same thing, I think any Pro would have, male or female.

Boy toy? Maybe her Man Slave.

He'll too close to master age to be considered a boy.

LOL!


Guess you were just jealous. Sure you'd like to be someone's toy! :o

It is just sad that she was not given the option to play Pro Master in the same pool as the other Pro players. :( Being offered to play in the rec pool just doesn't seem right.




Actually it does if she doesn't have enough people in the division it shouldn't be offered anyways. Also if she doesn't have the guts to play up with the other ladies then she doesn't deserve to be on the same card. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Key word "allowing", not making them play in an am division. Also why werent Des and Courtney made to play with the Advanced men, because their ratings are very similar as well, and being only a two person divsion the your same "rules" would apply, right

so basically it was decided on her player rating??? :p

Could she have been grouped with the Pro Masters?

She can move down by choice, but cant be forced to move down because there is not anyone else in the division right? [/quot

Professional and Amateur players should not be grouped together, and all players from different divisions shall be segregated from each other during play as much as practicable. She cannot be forced to move down but she can be forced to chosse to play FPO, MPO, MPM, MA1,MM1, or MM2 or just not play. Why shoul she pay $80m to play by herself and 1in $110?

Could she have been grouped with the Pro Masters?

She can move down by choice, but cant be forced to move down because there is not anyone else in the division right?

:confused:


She cannot be forced to move down but she can be forced to chosse to play FPO, MPO, MPM, MA1,MM1, or MM2 or just not play. Why should she pay $80 to play by herself and win $110? Btw des cannot play Am with a 957 rating.

I had a blast at States. Thanks to everyone that volunteered and helped run this awesome tourney. I'll never miss another one. Wish I'd brought my game with me this time, but had a freakin blast anyway! Can't wait till next year. The Wilmont lived up to what I've heard about it. I'll have to go work on my 700' plus drives for next year!!!!!haha :D

Yes, the player in question could have been grouped with either the Pro Women or the Pro Masters by rule.

An exception was being made to accomodate her 1 person division at the discretion of the tournament staff, as has been done in past TX States, in spite of the tournament's desires in '05 and in spite of rule 804.08A which does not require a TD to open a division of less than 4 players.

<font color="red"> G. A director may not restrict a player from playing in the division which the player is registered with the PDGA, unless the director has established a fair procedure which gives players advance notice and said procedure has been approved by the PDGA Competition Director. A director may not forbid a player from competing in a Professional division for which the player qualifies and which division is being offered for competition.

It has to be declared before the tournie, and it wasnt on the flyer nor the entry form.
</font>

With PDGA's new policy of allowing small division pro players like the FPM to play in alternative amateur divisions (in this case MM1 or MA2), the tournament staff felt that the best place for this division to play for the sake of the event was with the Intermediate Men due to similar player ratings of the divisions. The player was informed that she would still receive her Pro points and would be paid in a fair and appropriate manner for a 1 person division.

<font color="red"> Key word "allowing", not making them play in an am division. Also why werent Des and Courtney made to play with the Advanced men, because their ratings are very similar as well, and being only a two person division your same "rules" would apply, right?</font>

When informed of these accomodations, the player asked to withdraw from the event, and this request was granted and her entry fee fully refunded.



I would have done the same thing, I think any Pro would have, male or female.



The TD can offer a division with less tyhan four players and he did so because they are the #1 and #3 players in there division. Andi on the otherhand is a local and didn't travel many many miles to the event. Think about it why would Gimp decline a Division to two ladies who traveled 1000+ miles to get to the event and who came with the expectations of winning $$$ not prizes since they are both sponsored? :confused:

It doesnt matter if they lived in Australia or lived on the course Matt, I dont think travel time ever comes into play in the rule book. Now it really seems personal.

No it it the TD's descretion and I know I would've made the same call and told Andi that she could play up or go to AM which he did.

scooter you dont know what you would have done. aren't you suppose to be taking your afternoon nap :D

So you would be wrong also. It is the TDs discretion BEFORE the tournie, BEFORE someone enters, not once they see who the player is.

Gimp has always said that all divisions will be offered with more than 4 people right? So what is the big deal that he didn't offer this one person division especially an age protected division? Ok what would he do if 1 MPM signed up? He would make them move up or play AM(if they could)

Gimp has always said that all divisions will be offered with more than 4 people right

so why was there a 2 person division? nothing against anybody in houston but we need to treat all players with the same R-E-S-P-E-C-T

Let me make sure I am getting this straight:

She was offered a one-woman division, so she would've been playing in the FPM division had she opted to compete.

She was assured a cash payout commensurate with a 1-person division.

She was going to be mixed into the MA2 division by score if she played, but she was not going to be competing in the MA2 division. She was going to be a one-woman FPM division.


If these are all correct, I don't see what the problem is. Her rating matches up well with the MA2 division and she could have competed against similarly skilled golfers all weekend while being guarranteed a 1st-place finish in FPM and a cash payout. She also had the option to step up to FPO and expand that division size to 3 while being guarrenteed to play on the card with the other FPO players. She chose to do neither.

What is the problem here? Everything sounds extgremely kosher, including the player in question's decision to not play.

Well they weren't in an age protected division. Gimp did thids once when there were 3 pros. So would it be cool to not let three touring pros play if there were the only ones to show and couldn't play in another DIV?

First of all, great tournament Gimp and staff. Very well run, lots of water on the courses, tons of merch to be had. The fly mart was cool and I hope it's an idea that takes off. I got some great stuff! The courses were in great shape with fairways mowed and greens defined. I probably would have moved some of the tee boxes out of the ditches, but I'm partial to concrete :) A+, first class guys and gals!

As to Nelle's question, she makes a good point. Andi's a Pro Master and was asked to play with Int Men? Des and Courtney are pro and played with MPM's the first round? Well Judah by accident since he signed up wrong. Andi's been a rock for Houston for years, I'm sad she decided not to play.

It seems that it would depend on who it was in Houston, if it was Brad Hammock, I bet he could play wherever he wanted. If it was Joe Schmo, I think he would be stuck with the recs.

I am only asking why this happened. If it happened to Andi, it could happen to any of us. You should think about it to Matt, because it could happen to you as well.

Everybody matters in disc golf, no matter what the rating, age or sex. Thats why there are rules in place to protect the player and the TD. The rules should apply to everyone, no matter where you live or your rating or your accomplishments.

The fact is she was given the choice to play FPM (shouldn't have happened) and FPO but sh wussed out and got her money back.

It seems that it would depend on who it was in Houston, if it was Brad Hammock, I bet he could play wherever he wanted. If it was Joe Schmo, I think he would be stuck with the recs.

I am only asking why this happened. If it happened to Andi, it could happen to any of us. You should think about it to Matt, because it could happen to you as well.

Everybody matters in disc golf, no matter what the rating, age or sex. Thats why there are rules in place to protect the player and the TD. The rules should apply to everyone, no matter where you live or your rating or your accomplishments.



Your right the rules should be the same and until now Andi was given an exemption but it didn't happen this time so tough. In his events he usually has two or three granmasters that must play masters so why shouldn't she have to play FPO? Also Neal Dambra has had to play MPO in the past few events(besides states) because of the low turnout so it seems fair that she should deal with these inconvieniences too.

what division did Andi Lehman play?? also how did the salazar's split the same $$ with different scores?


There were some mistakes with several people's payout most were fixed, for some reason ours wasn't :confused: No big deal though, i Had alot fun. Awsome Courses!!!! Would have been nice to have some food on Saturday...& A Beer Garden. Everything else was great!!

Danielle - it happens in the Men's divisions all of the time...not enough MPMs so the ones there are asked if they want to play MPO or withdraw. This isn't all that unusual. I know that at a recent sanctioned event I had to make a choice about moving up to MPM versus moving down to MA3. I opted to move up that time.

It was stated to me that Andi said that she would not compete against Des. That was her choice. She was offered a fair and equitable compromise. She opted out of that.

If you decide to offer someone a 1-person division (for the 5th year in a row), that seems like it is a very generous thing for a TD to do and deserves acknowledgement. For that player to then be "picky" about where they get grouped with seems a little on the ungrateful side.

Andi is somewhat used to having to play in divisions where there are an odd amount of people and it fits in well with card assignments. This was the case here and it seems sensible to group her with comparable skill level players. It simply makes sense all of the way around. That is one of the reasons why she won't compete in a field with Des...she's not in the same skill level.

Please don't berate the TD and staff or criticize their generous attempt to accomodate this one player. Every attempt is made to ensure that all players have one of the best tournament experiences possible at Texas States. The rationale behind the grouping is solid and certainly in keeping with the affected player's own philosophy about why she won't compete in the FPO division against any of the touring women.

So you see Danielle? It's all up-front, it all makes logical sense and the player was accomodated with her request to withdraw and given a full refund.

^^^^^^^Well said^^^^^^^

It was stated to me that Andi said that she would not compete against Des

compete against or not play in the same card? I think Nelle is wondering if her division was offered for 1 player but than she could not be grouped with the other women but INT players?

If she wanted to play with them she should've played in the upper division. Would Gimp let a guy in a 1 person MA1 div play on the MPO card?

It seems that it would depend on who it was in Houston, if it was Brad Hammock, I bet he could play wherever he wanted.



Not true.

Yeah he would have to play MPO too

BTW � the tee box issue has been discussed and will be addressed next year.

I actually only had one slippage issue but I still like those pads better than concrete/fly

was there a tee box issue? the only one i didnt like was WIlmont new #3... its a difficult shot for a lefty, and the T was too confined to get even the two step at a decent angle for me. i just pitched it straight out and played the upshot.

Good thing you didn't play it before we cleared MASSIVE amounts of brush. :D

Great tourney, I'm glad gtdg represented well ( besides me, I don't know where my game went :confused:) I cant wait for the 05 tourney in the spring!!!!!!!! let me know if there is anything I can help with. also let me know when the date is set for the lone star pleasure island tourney. We will try to put together some food and drinks.

Nice Tournament Gimp. I played the absolute worst disc golf I could. I want Andi Lehman to know that I enjoyed her company on the second round on the Wilmont she was a lady and Don and Doug were true gentleman. I'm sorry they had to observe such a train wreck of a round. I also hope that some other players will observe the scores I had and had the fortitude to finish on Sunday(DNF is silly). Which was by far the most fun of the three rounds Thanks Jeff and Brannon. Nice rounds G. Bring it back to Ingleside.

Thanks too to Jay Tee V town and Kevin "the Longhorn" Willis. Thanks Rick (FlyingHigh) for the space.

Go LAND THIEVES.

Lance (that's an N not a W) Hankins

I cant wait for the 05 tourney in the spring

I think you mean 06. :D

Thanks again to everyone that helped in revamping the wilmont course and all the hard work. Love # 14 on the hill. the Horse shoe is a little too much but the pin placement is AWESOME..

Wow too far for a DRAGON - - NICE! :D

not too far too much dog leg if you know what I mean. not much variety :D talk about a hole that favors righty

BTW � the tee box issue has been discussed and will be addressed next year.



speaking of tee-boxes , why must they be so **** far from the baskets?? ;) :D

Bottom line Texas States did not follow PDGA rules on grouping and classification when it came to Andi Lehman playing.

Thanks for your effort in trying to explain it but the rules explain it better.

not trying to start anything, but i'm wondering why Nelle is doing all the talking instead of Andi? does Andi even care about this?

speaking of tee-boxes , why must they be so **** far from the baskets?? ;) :D



To keep you from throwing past them.



From the account I was given while stuck in new-home hell, a great job was done by Gimp and staff. Way to go!

Now, can we put the courses in hold mode so they'll be that nice in April?

Yes, she does.

Yes Andi cares, and I actually spoke to her for the first time about it this morning.

The reason I am voicing it is because I am a female disc golfer. We have to deal with one person divisions all the time and I wanted to know why she would have been put with the ams. I also wanted to know why a female pro player opted out of a tournament in her hometown. Everyone knows that we need more women playing, I knew something must have really discouraged her.

I asked a simple question and realized when no one wanted to answer, there was more to it. This could have happened to any of us so I wanted some rules clarification in case it happened in the future.

When the explaination came it was clear the PDGA rules were not followed.

sounds like a tricky situation for all involved. but it sounds like both the TD and the player were completely within their rights to make the decisions they made. i really dont understand the controversy, especially since she was offered the 1 person division with a guaranteed payout. is the real issue that she wanted to play on the same card as Des?

i wasnt trying to start anything before but here's one that i know will get noticed: it is just plain downright SILLY to payout small (1-3) person divisions, especially divisions protected by gender or age, at more than 100%. one of the most asinine things i see at tourneys is a pro womens field with two players who are rated like 800 or something get paid out at 125%. maybe not related to the current topic, but i just felt like ranting :cool:

Bottom line Texas States did not follow PDGA rules on grouping and classification when it came to Andi Lehman playing.



Not true. The very first paragraph in Grouping and Sectioning, 804.06, state that Pros and Ams be segregated as much as "practicable." Practicable allows the TD leeway in creating groups especially when (s)he has already made an exception to allow a division of fewer than 4 players.

The other important note is that the whole section 804 in the rulebook is superseded by the published Tour Guidelines as applicable. Section 804 is not part of our core rules of the game itself, just like the PGA in ball golf has special tournament rules and qualifications that go beyond the core Rules of Golf published by the USGA. Now that pros can play in am divisions, we use ratings to establish divisions and we have ratings events like the Mid-Nationals, not only do players have more flexibility, but so do TDs. It's impractical and expensive to update the rulebook and distribute it every year. So it's up to the players and TDs to pay attention to the Tour Guidelines published each year to understand any revisions or updates to how 804 rules might be handled that year.

Regardless, in this situation, 804 as written was followed along with application of some of the newer grouping options that were part of the 2005 Tour Guidelines. Andi has been around a long time and is used to the older policy which typically grouped all women together regardless of skill level which was done before ratings, divisions based on ratings and pros being allowed to play am. But things have changed, hopefully for the better for all of those players who used to have to play in one person divisions who now have the option to compete with those of similar skill in larger divisions.

rant on rant on!

Thanks Chuck, its almost clear now.

The part I dont understand is why she was going to be put with the ams when the other two person division was not.