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gordonmk
Oct 10 2005, 07:03 PM
Thanks Chris, Double "R", and all the basket volunteers. Waterloo wouldn't be possible without you! :D

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 09:54 AM
your welcome. still need 1 basket double chained for hole # 11 anyone?? anyone?

odd_enough
Oct 11 2005, 10:34 AM
I bet Dave M. would let you use one. If you do all of the work. ;)

jpeacock
Oct 11 2005, 10:48 AM
I have gotten done 3 previous years Waterloo T-Shirts tie dyed for the silent auction. I will be bringing them on Friday with several NSDG mini discs donation. :cool:
Ware I'll get two baskets to you at the ROCK on wed. JP

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 10:48 AM
Todd you are still set for having your basket there by 12 Friday hole # 3 same position all weekend.

thanks Jon

dizzard
Oct 11 2005, 11:08 AM
chris i will have mine at #2 early in the am.
WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

odd_enough
Oct 11 2005, 11:08 AM
indeed

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 11:21 AM
thank you guys.

jpeacock
Oct 11 2005, 11:46 AM
Gordon, the Waterloo Great Grand Wazoo, can you reiterate the parking on Friday and the weekend. Are we gonna have to pay to park Sat.? What time is the Horns game?
Waterlooo!!!! :cool:JP

scoop
Oct 11 2005, 12:02 PM
The Horns vs Colorado game is at 2:30. Which means that the tailgaters will have taken up all available parking around the park by 8:00 a.m. on Saturday morning. You're best bet is going to be to pay to park in one of the nearby Parking Garages (or park your car near the park the night before and have someone drive you to the course in the morning and drop you off)

gordonmk
Oct 11 2005, 12:17 PM
Much great waterloo tournament info can be found at the club's website on the tournament page. The link is: http://www.austindiscgolf.org/Classic%202005.htm

Info includes parking, directions, check-in, doubles, full schedule for the weekend (well it will later today), fundraising stuff, CFRs, etc.

gordonmk
Oct 11 2005, 12:24 PM
And here is the Schedule that I just sent to Wade for posting on the website:

SCHEDULE

FRIDAY 10/14/05

1:00 pm � Dark: Mandatory Player Check-In For Singles
1:00 pm � 4:30/5:00 pm: Friday Doubles: Flex Tee-Off, $10 per person (bring your own partner)
(how late we tee off the last group depends on how fast the rounds are going)
Following Doubles: Tayloe Player�s Party at Schulz�s Beer Garden (E.17th & San Jacinto)


SATURDAY 10/15/05

7:30 am � 8:30 am: Final Chance For Player Check-In For Singles
8:30 am: Fill �No-Show� Spots From Waitlist
9:00 am: Players Meeting
10:00 am: Tee-Off 1st Round
Lunch Break: 1 � - 2 hours (food available for sale)
Immediately following
Lunch : Ring-of-Fire
TBA: Tee-Off 2nd Round (right after Ring-of-Fire)

There is a U.T. football game that starts at 2:30 pm this afternoon and will probably end around 5:30 pm. The crowds walking through the course before and after the game are inevitable and may cause delays in play. The course will be slightly altered on Saturday only, and we will work around this problem as best we can. Your patience is greatly appreciated!


SUNDAY 10/16/05

9:00 am: Tee-Off 3rd Round
Lunch Break: 1 � hours, Free Lunch for all players & staff, served in courtyard of RMH (donations to the charity gratefully accepted)
Immediately following
Lunch : Inaugural Tayloe Toe Throw
TBA: Tee-Off 4th Round (right after the Tayloe Toe Throw)
TBA: Awards

A Closest-To-the-Pin contest will be held immediately following the 4th Round. If there have been no aces during the tournament, it will be for the unclaimed Ace Pot. If there have been one or more aces, then the CTP contest will be for prizes.

Awards Ceremony will be on the deck as soon as we have the final results.

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 12:46 PM
Gordo when will the holes be marked? All pin positions?

anyone thinking of getting a round of object golf in prior to this weekend send me a PM.

bigbadude
Oct 11 2005, 01:12 PM
I thought that Vinnie was going the USDGC?

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 01:16 PM
LMAO!!! :D no that would be Alex Hughes representing TEXAS

gordonmk
Oct 11 2005, 04:06 PM
The 2 meter rule will be in effect for Waterloo.

prairie_dawg
Oct 11 2005, 05:09 PM
What 2 M. rule? :D

james_mccaine
Oct 11 2005, 05:11 PM
Very disappointing. I thought Waterloo was progressive and forward thinking.

esalazar
Oct 11 2005, 05:16 PM
will waterloo ever stray from the x-status?

tbender
Oct 11 2005, 05:17 PM
If they ever go away from mulligans...

jpeacock
Oct 11 2005, 05:18 PM
Come on. It's a short course Waterloo. Of course there is a two meter rule. Better tell everybody that deep in the creek is a water penalty too. That is unless WDGC will waive it! :cool::D:cool:JP

james_mccaine
Oct 11 2005, 05:24 PM
There are a couple of holes at Waterloo where you are pretty much forced to throw into the canopy. Some people will get randomly screwed. Most won't. We can do way better than that.

esalazar
Oct 11 2005, 05:29 PM
If they ever go away from mulligans...



oh , i know!! I was [I'm a potty-mouth!] when the pdga finally caught on and did not count the rounds anymore!! :confused:

sandalman
Oct 11 2005, 05:34 PM
this event will be a blast... but had i known there were mulligans and the rounds wont count, i would not have signed up.

sandalman
Oct 11 2005, 05:37 PM
Come on. It's a short course Waterloo. Of course there is a two meter rule. Better tell everybody that deep in the creek is a water penalty too. That is unless WDGC will waive it! :cool::D:cool:JP

water is NOT OB unless the TD declares it to be OB. i'm hoping he forgets to mention it atthe players meeting! :D

prairie_dawg
Oct 11 2005, 05:38 PM
Pat,

You can always withdraw

There are many people willing to take your place, but come on down and enjoy Waterloo :cool:

You still get points, just no ratings :D

sandalman
Oct 11 2005, 05:40 PM
hey, i said it would be a blast, didnt i? (yes)

i didnt say i wanted to withdraw, did i? (no)

what good are points? (none)

prairie_dawg
Oct 11 2005, 05:52 PM
hey, i said it would be a blast, didnt i? (yes)

i didnt say i wanted to withdraw, did i? (no)

what good are points? (none)



It's working already :D:)

sandalman
Oct 11 2005, 05:56 PM
whats working?

jpeacock
Oct 11 2005, 06:01 PM
whats working?


WATERLOOOOOO!!!! :cool:

calbert
Oct 11 2005, 06:33 PM
Anyone need a doubles partner to play open friday afternoon?

J A B
Oct 11 2005, 06:54 PM
According to my P.M. from Ware, I will be responsible for placing and picking up my basket each day, and moving it between rounds (hole#1 medium and long on Sunday).

Not a problem, Hole #1 will have it's basket at 9:00am Friday. My question is: Will all doubles teams start at hole #1?

My wife has plans for me to take her out to dinner Friday as I will be golfing the rest of the weekend. Will I be able to pick up basket #1 by 6:00pm Friday? I wouldn't want to pull the basket before everyone had a chance to play out. But, I also do not want to sleep in the garage all weekend either. :o

gordonmk
Oct 11 2005, 07:01 PM
Yes Allen, all teams will start on #1, so you can pick your basket up by 6pm. I believe your options (for storage of the basket until saturday) after that are: lock it up under the deck in the storage area, give it to Chris for him to take away on the trailer, or take it home yourself and bring it back in the morning.

Thanks for the volunteer effort!!!

gordonmk
Oct 11 2005, 07:09 PM
There are a couple of holes at Waterloo where you are pretty much forced to throw into the canopy.



Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in the 2 meter rule (although I have no intention of getting into the big debate here).

Also, I can think of only one hole on the course, #3 off the deck, that really forces people to throw mainly into the canopy.


I'm sorry Pat that you didn't realize there were mulligans. We've been doing them for so many years that I thought everyone pretty much knew about them by now (plus the option to purchase them was on the registration form :D).

If you did want to withdraw (and I know you have said you don't), you would still get most of your money back - all except the $4 that goes to the fundraising - so it would be a painless withdrawal.

But I'm glad you are still going to come down and play. It is a great tournament and I think you'll really enjoy it.

And as Ray said...

Waterloooooooooooooooo :)

seewhere
Oct 11 2005, 07:35 PM
all basket volunteers come find me and I will have a tag for you to hang on your basket that has "Hole # , your name, what pin placement the basket needs to be in for each round". Except Friday all holes are in the short (boo) :Dpositions. than follow the hole placement on the card hanging on your basket. thanks again. we will most likely lock all baskets under the deck both nights. that way I can start placing them out early. we might have a trailer to help pick them up and get them back to the deck each day.

thank you all very much for the help and support of your baskets. Like Gordon said this tourney would not be possible without BASKETS...

sandalman
Oct 11 2005, 09:07 PM
i played it in 2001, too long ago to remember sometyhing like mulligans :D IF i was gonna withdraw, which i AM NOT, i would not ask for a refund, but let it go towards the charity fund. i am completely and totally 100% sure it will be a blast. i might not remember the mullies from 2001, but i do remember it was a good time!

see you all on friday!

WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 12:20 AM
I haven't ever played off the deck before but it has been a long time. (12 years) Sounds really fun. NO FEAR of trees here. Only the water when I'm playing ball golf. LOL !!!

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 12:40 AM
Still looking for an Advanced Master parrtner for doubles. Please contact me if interested.
WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

gordonmk
Oct 12 2005, 01:48 PM
Even if you don't hear from someone Bert, come down to the park anyway. There are often folks there looking for a partner too.

harry
Oct 12 2005, 01:55 PM
Feeling really sick like I'll have to miss work Friday

But not too sick for Doubles :D

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 02:10 PM
Oooooh, I will definately be there early to help set-up. How early should I get there?

dizzard
Oct 12 2005, 02:46 PM
did some course grooming last night. the creek is flowing and the city has cut and trimmed the bulk of the growth along the banks encouraging discs that may have been hung up in weeds to take a swim. mt waterloo is pretty overgrown (was) and has a bit of a utility work hole near the box but should be playable.
all and all the park looks better than it has in a long time and should play very well.
WATERLOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

gordonmk
Oct 12 2005, 03:14 PM
Oooooh, I will definately be there early to help set-up. How early should I get there?



The Uhaul unloading party begins at 10 am on Friday, 6 am on Saturday, and 7 am on Sunday.

Thanks Bert! :D

(and others are invited too :D)

suemac
Oct 12 2005, 03:17 PM
Will you be suffering from the Grandmaster WATERLOO bug?? I've heard it can only be cured through a Friday's doubles round at <font color="red"> WATERLOO!!! </font> <font color="black"> </font>

Now, are there any ladies teams playing doubles? Laura H. and I partnering up, any other gals out there??

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 03:46 PM
Saw someone out this morning with weed eater working their tail off. Not sure who. Loking forward to seeing Laura H. and Laura C.
Hello, Ladies. :o

harry
Oct 12 2005, 04:56 PM
Haven't decided what I'll be sick of.....probably work :D

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 05:53 PM
I'm so sick that I took off today.
Anyone for some practice anywhere?
I'll bring the beer.

gordonmk
Oct 12 2005, 05:57 PM
Saturday is going to be rough on parking and leaving for lunch will be just asking to park far away from the course when you get back (because of the UT game).

However, we've got you covered! :D

We'll have a fajita plate lunch for sale that day, so you don't have to worry about going anywhere. Doc will be grilling up a bunch of tasty fajita meat so plan on sticking around.


And on Sunday, we'll have our usual FREE LUNCH for players - burgers and hot dogs over in the courtyard of the Ronald McDonald House.

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 06:17 PM
Saturday is going to be rough on parking and leaving for lunch will be just asking to park far away from the course when you get back (because of the UT game).

However, we've got you covered! :D

We'll have a fajita plate lunch for sale that day, so you don't have to worry about going anywhere. Doc will be grilling up a bunch of tasty fajita meat so plan on sticking around.


And on Sunday, we'll have our usual FREE LUNCH for players - burgers and hot dogs over in the courtyard of the Ronald McDonald House.



Or you can eat at Brackenridge Hospital (where I work) and we can use my employee discount. 20% off
Hospital food Ooooh yummy !!!! LMAO !!
Fajitas sound great ! :cool:

jpeacock
Oct 12 2005, 06:42 PM
And on Sunday, we'll have our usual FREE LUNCH for players - burgers and hot dogs over in the courtyard of the Ronald McDonald House.


As in the past donations will be accepted that go straight to the charity. So eat for free but donate to the cause. :D JP

gordonmk
Oct 12 2005, 06:49 PM
And on Sunday, we'll have our usual FREE LUNCH for players - burgers and hot dogs over in the courtyard of the Ronald McDonald House.


As in the past donations will be accepted that go straight to the charity. So eat for free but donate to the cause. :D JP



Well put Jon, thanks.

We will have a tip jar out, collecting donations for the charity. There is no �suggested donation,� we just ask that you give what you can, if you can.

We also will have a big box at Tournament HQ all weekend to collect donations of canned, boxed, or packaged foods, household items and every-day necessities such as toiletries, etc.

alirette
Oct 12 2005, 07:28 PM
Do you have a course layout you can post for players that have been lost but found?

Also, Gordon.
I finally joined PDGA just now. Will notify you of my # ASAP.
GO ASTROS !!!
WATERLOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 10:05 AM
Bert check your email I will send you a map

gordonmk
Oct 13 2005, 12:51 PM
Vinnie is <font color="red"> IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </font> :D :)

and everyone else on the waitlist just moved up one spot :D

vinnie
Oct 13 2005, 12:53 PM
yeah...
look out adv masters :D

rickwright
Oct 13 2005, 01:30 PM
Why? You going to be on the card behind them throwing rocks at em :D

vinnie
Oct 13 2005, 01:51 PM
NO them will be rocs! :D

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 02:06 PM
you playing master (17) players or Open (10) players? OLD DUDE'S WATERLOOOOOOOO

LouMoreno
Oct 13 2005, 02:12 PM
A coworker just told me he saw someone throwing discs across from the Erwin Center on the drive in morning. It sounds like somebody is practicing. :D

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 02:19 PM
Weather Report:

Fri hi 86 low 65
Sat hi 87 low 65
Sun hi87 low 63

Looks to be a great weekend to play some golf, have some fun and help a great charity. see everyone tomorrow.

rickwright
Oct 13 2005, 02:34 PM
A coworker just told me he saw someone throwing discs across from the Erwin Center on the drive in morning. It sounds like somebody is practicing. :D


Got to be Larry Thompson

gordonmk
Oct 13 2005, 02:37 PM
Online reg list now updated.

http://pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5345

harry
Oct 13 2005, 02:37 PM
Maybe it was me :D
Nope...still at work :mad:

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 02:40 PM
bunch of guys jumped to MASTERS... SKEERED!! :p

esalazar
Oct 13 2005, 02:41 PM
that sux!! 8 open players , 19 masters !! only at waterloo!!

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 02:42 PM
that sux!! 8 open players

you can say that again

esalazar
Oct 13 2005, 02:45 PM
hey ware you can always jump down and play ma1!! ;) everyone else seems to be shuffling to the bigger divs.

jakewalsdorf
Oct 13 2005, 02:46 PM
Weather Report:

Fri hi 86 low 65
Sat hi 87 low 65
Sun hi87 low 63

Looks to be a great weekend to play some golf, have some fun and help a great charity. see everyone tomorrow.



That's funny Chris, cause my report shows 100% of rain with the temps around 50. Therefore, I believe about 13 of you registered players should think about that before you leave town. Don't want to catch a cold or something... :D:D

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 02:47 PM
:D

gordonmk
Oct 13 2005, 02:48 PM
Weather Report:

Fri hi 86 low 65
Sat hi 87 low 65
Sun hi87 low 63

Looks to be a great weekend to play some golf, have some fun and help a great charity. see everyone tomorrow.



That's funny Chris, cause my report shows 100% of rain with the temps around 50. Therefore, I believe about 13 of you registered players should think about that before you leave town. Don't want to catch a cold or something... :D:D



Yeah, and you registered players should stay away from Tom Pierce too. :D

james_mccaine
Oct 13 2005, 03:11 PM
8 open players , 19 masters !!



Once Joel realizes it, it will be 7 and 20! :D

I'm not sure if Billy is eligible or not.

We should get some of the grands to drop and some of the advanced to rise, we could get a lot more.

This will the biggest masters field I've been in this year with the exception of worlds. :)

LouMoreno
Oct 13 2005, 03:13 PM
Sheldon is wearing a flak jacket to protect his ribs. Those waitlisters are mean.

esalazar
Oct 13 2005, 03:14 PM
thats sad!! hey ware you going to join us in ma1? ;) hell rene torres and suida can play down also!! :D

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 03:16 PM
we will see sat morning and yes Billy is eligible to run SKEERED too.. :p

LouMoreno
Oct 13 2005, 03:29 PM
The average PDGA number for those registered is 13966.

james_mccaine
Oct 13 2005, 03:32 PM
Running skeered? If Joel and Billy moved, the three highest ratings would be in the masters division, and that doesn't even include those old ******* Round Rockers.

Anyways, if all that happened, Turbo, Shannon and Dagon would be left in a division by themselves. Waterloo is a strange bird, very demographically-challenged.
:p

jpeacock
Oct 13 2005, 03:35 PM
What is the average age of the players?!! :oJP

harry
Oct 13 2005, 03:41 PM
Older than dirt :eek:

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 03:42 PM
55

LouMoreno
Oct 13 2005, 03:48 PM
Average age is 43 using the b-days kept by the PDGA. Of course Mr. Ed was listed as being born in 1966 and I was registering him for Grandmaster. :eek:

harry
Oct 13 2005, 04:01 PM
I think Mr Ed's birth year is 1866 :D:eek: :p

suemac
Oct 13 2005, 04:13 PM
You should know, you were there for his birth! :D

gordonmk
Oct 13 2005, 04:16 PM
Average age is 43 using the b-days kept by the PDGA. Of course Mr. Ed was listed as being born in 1966 and I was registering him for Grandmaster. :eek:



Maybe he started playing in 1966, but born then??? I don't quite think so. :D

Oct 13 2005, 04:29 PM
Okay, guess how bored I am at work today?

<table border="1"><tr><td>x</td><td>Open</td><td>O Wom</td><td>Master</td><td>Gmas</td><td>Adv</td><td>Ad Wom</td><td>Ad Mas</td><td>Ad Gmas</td><td>Inter</td><td>R Wom</td><td>Total
</td></tr><tr><td>Austin</td><td>7</td><td>3</td><td>10</td><td>1</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>7</td><td>7</td><td>3</td><td>1</td><td>43
</td></tr><tr><td>Houston</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>8
</td></tr><tr><td>Unknown</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>8
</td></tr><tr><td>Round Rock</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>4
</td></tr><tr><td>Pflugerville</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td>Leander</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td>San Antonio</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td>Del Valle</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>Missouri City</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>Dickinson</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>Pipe Creek</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Galveston</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Red Rock</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Dallas</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>San Marcos</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Blanco</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Cedar Park</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Plano</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Carrollton</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>New Braunfels</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Temple</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Katy</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Kingwood</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Lago Vista</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Arlington</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Spring</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Richardson</td><td>0</td><td>1</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>0</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Total</td><td>8</td><td>6</td><td>19</td><td>4</td><td>14</td><td>4</td><td>16</td><td>15</td><td>8</td><td>1</td><td>95
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td>Players in Age Based Division </td><td></td><td>54</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

gnduke
Oct 13 2005, 04:33 PM
What do you expect, It's a really old tournament. :cool:

gordonmk
Oct 13 2005, 04:37 PM
Okay, guess how bored I am at work today?



Wow, really bored!

Plus, I know of at least 4 people in non-protected divisions that could move if they wanted to. And I suspect another 4-7 might be able to move, but I'm not sure of their exact ages.

CMR
Oct 13 2005, 05:27 PM
Is the course up yet or no? And also is the Zilker Mini this week? Thanks

nix
Oct 13 2005, 05:30 PM
no and no Rogers.


Efi representing Cedar Park!!
:p

prairie_dawg
Oct 13 2005, 05:46 PM
Who's the Open woman from Richardson :confused:

Shannon is in the Denton area now.

jpeacock
Oct 13 2005, 05:47 PM
I hear that playing in Adv Grand Masters it is expected but not mandatory to wear some type of body brace! :o
I need to go out and get me a new back brace anyway. :DJP

harry
Oct 13 2005, 05:48 PM
You need to get a body brace ;) and a bottle of Gentleman Jack

jpeacock
Oct 13 2005, 05:56 PM
I'll have regular Jack Black. You, Harry, are the Gentleman. :D

harry
Oct 13 2005, 06:02 PM
Methinks you already be hitting the Jack :o

alirette
Oct 13 2005, 07:34 PM
I'm heading over to Mark's to find his stash of Tito's.
Hope I can help set up hung over.

___________________________________________

May Father Dave Live On Through Us All!

seewhere
Oct 13 2005, 11:24 PM
baskets will start showing up ~~ 11:00.

alirette
Oct 14 2005, 12:34 AM
Trailor unloads at 9:00 AM. :p
ALL HELP WILL BE REWARDED !!!!!!!

GO ASTROS !!!

alirette
Oct 14 2005, 08:43 AM
WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP !!!
LET'S GOOOOOOOO !!!

esalazar
Oct 14 2005, 09:05 AM
**** #17 was butchered!! looks like a possible spike hyzer now!!

prairie_dawg
Oct 14 2005, 09:26 AM
Heading out in about 30 minutes :cool:

See ya there!

seewhere
Oct 14 2005, 10:21 AM
WWWAATTEERRLLOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and EFI there has always been a spike hyzer on # 17 :D

LouMoreno
Oct 14 2005, 11:31 AM
Trailor unloads at 9:00 AM. :p
ALL HELP WILL BE REWARDED !!!!!!!

GO ASTROS !!!



The staff that's not at work today (everyone but me?) will begin setting up at 10am, not 9am. Let 'em sleep an extra hour, Bert. :)

seewhere
Oct 14 2005, 12:41 PM
heading that way with 5 baskets in about 45 mins

jpeacock
Oct 14 2005, 12:52 PM
All Hail the Super Staff at WWATERLOOOO!!! :cool::D:cool:JP

alirette
Oct 14 2005, 11:27 PM
All Hail the Staff and Volunteers that made the day.
Can any one post how many doubles went through today or scores even. I think Ron's team did best 13 down?
________________________
WATERLOOOOOOOOOOO !!!

rickwright
Oct 15 2005, 01:00 AM
-15 wins adv. and open I believe. Good job today Waterloo and staff!!!!!!

odd_enough
Oct 15 2005, 11:01 PM
will we have scores soon? just trying to beat CW to the question :)

Oct 15 2005, 11:09 PM
Todd, you should be able to check scores on the PDGA tour click. I know the players were loaded there.

seewhere
Oct 15 2005, 11:59 PM
Joel K is smoking everyone with back to back -14's.. than Robbie and V at -19 with El chile -17. Open Dgon and rene T are ties -13 with Turbo -12. adv Ian the kid -20 with Efrain -19?? right on his [I'm a potty-mouth!], 3 aces Jab # 18 1st round, than Trubo # 3 2nd round than lee deforke # 17. 2 rounds to go should be fun, WATERLOOOOOOOOO

alirette
Oct 16 2005, 12:04 AM
Scores are not posted on PDGA website yet.
How about some Adv. Master scores....LOL
We are having so much fun !!!!!!!

__________________________

WATERLOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

esalazar
Oct 16 2005, 12:10 AM
Joel K is smoking everyone with back to back -14's.. than Robbie and V at -19 with El chile -17. Open Dgon and rene T are ties -13 with Turbo -12. adv Ian the kid -20 with EFRAIN - 16 ?? right on his [I'm a potty-mouth!], 3 aces Jab # 18 1st round, than Trubo # 3 2nd round than lee deforke # 17. 2 rounds to go should be fun, WATERLOOOOOOOOO

LouMoreno
Oct 16 2005, 03:15 AM
Round 1 & 2 Scores (http://www.pdga.com/schedule/event.php?TournID=5345) are posted.

rickwright
Oct 16 2005, 09:05 AM
Good job Lou!!

LouMoreno
Oct 17 2005, 01:46 AM
Thanks, Ricky.

Final Scores (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5345)

scoop
Oct 17 2005, 09:54 AM
Just for sh*ts and giggles...could you post the Friday Doubles Scores, too? Thanks.

Oct 17 2005, 10:02 AM
Well, we may have to listen to Patty boast about the win (which is okay, congrats), but I want to give a big HELLZ YEAH shout out to JAB for a strong third place Adv. Masters finish, in a large and talented field. Way to go, JAB!

Congrats to all the winners (even Bagger Camp) and to all the staffers. Sounds like the greatness of the Waterloo tradition remains strong, despite losing one of its most staunch supporters.

I'm sure that Father Dave was proud of you all, though.

seewhere
Oct 17 2005, 10:06 AM
-15 won open doubles Joel and cooper.
-13 Perez and Me, chris r annd dion
-12 a bunch of people.

-13 won masters dion and markmcc
-12 larry T anad Dale H

sorry that's all I remember.


Thanks Again to all who helped with the baskets.

cgflesner
Oct 17 2005, 10:28 AM
Way to go Andi, Joel, Dagon, and Pat. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

sandalman
Oct 17 2005, 10:44 AM
-15 won open doubles Joel and cooper.
-13 Perez and Me, chris r annd dion
-12 a bunch of people.

-13 won masters dion and markmcc
-12 larry T anad Dale H

sorry that's all I remember.


Thanks Again to all who helped with the baskets.

-13 by Ron Sharpe and ??? won Adv Master
-12 by sandalman and Jake Walsdorf took second

sandalman
Oct 17 2005, 10:59 AM
i'll tell ya what, Mark was darn near impossible to get a lead on, and J_A_B just plain would not go away! both extremely worthy competitors. it was a pleasure to play with both of these gentlemen. i thought i'd played against every adv master in texas, but i found myself on a card of five that had three guys i had never met! thats WATERLOOOOOOOO!

mark, you know i'm not the boating type anyway. besides, i cant even brag boast about my first 1000 rated round - cuz the PDGA WONT COUNT IT!

seriously though, there is no better (or bigger!) staff anywhere than WATERLOO. spotters everywhere you needed one or two or three. complete control over an extremely busy tournament HQ. it was truly impressive. congrats and big thanks to the entire staff, volunteers, players, and those who did all three! way to go Gordo!

WATERLOOOOOOO!

harry
Oct 17 2005, 11:11 AM
Thanks to Gordo and his superb staff. Job well done! Perfect weather, perfect course and all but 2 of the Old Guys survived the entire weekend (injuries do happen). Maybe not seen, but surely felt Father Dave was in attendance!

disctance00
Oct 17 2005, 11:17 AM
What happened to Gary Harris?

Oct 18 2005, 01:57 PM
Good times. Thanks to Father Dave for letting us enjoy another Waterloo with kind thoughts of him. What a pleasure it is to get to walk around that park chuckin' discs. The people are not bad either:). Waterlooooooooo.

LouMoreno
Oct 18 2005, 01:59 PM
Doubles Scores

Open
1 J Cooper / J Kelly 39 $120.00
T2 Chris Rogers / Dion Garcia 41 $60.00
T2 Jerry Perez / Chris Ware 41 $60.00
T4 Vinnie Miller / Chris Ware 42 $16.00
T4 Higgins / Knight 42 $16.00
T4 Martin / Ricky Wright 42 $16.00
T7 Steven Hemmeline / James McCaine 43
T7 Salazar / Salazar 43
T7 Billy West / Steven Hemmeline 43
T7 Mike Siuda / Chris Albert 43
T11 Todd Golden / Rober Day 44
T11 Sheppard / Perez 44
13 Jarrett / Russom 45
T14 Dagon Owen / Emily Brown 46
T14 Rob ? / Richard Hardeman 46
16 Mike Wynn / David Tomlinson 50

Masters
1 Mark McCrimmon / Dion Garcia 41 $60.00
2 Thompson / D Hemmeline 42 $30.00
T3 Ahlgrim / Stimpy 43
T3 Ray Murray / Mark Stevens 43

Advanced
1 J Hovey / I Hovey 39 $55.00
2 Blair Nicholson / JD Baker 40 $49.00
3 Gary Landry / Travis Landry 41 $45.00
4 A Barger / M Bond 42 $41.00
T5 Ric Johnson / Eric Goette 44 $32.00
T5 Aaron Stair / Lynn Wright 44 $32.00
T5 Jack Carr / Kirk Lavallee 44 $32.00
T5 Robbie Cooper / Kris Hartley 44 $32.00
T9 B Baumgardner / Tim Creson 45 $20.00
T9 Tom White / Ignacio Medina 45 $20.00
T9 Allen Browder / Matt Harris 45 $20.00
12 Steve Henry / Ed Washburn 46
T13 Roger Allen / Rick Amaya 47
T13 Parker Jackson / Guy Boyan 47
T13 Stephen / Roberto Gomez 47
T13 Joe Torrence / Ed Morgan 47
T13 Ed Coffey / Marcus Lujan 47
18 Matthews / Temple 48
19 Brad Granier / Leon Gilliard 49
20 Dave Nalle / Coggeshall 51
21 Bill Peckham / Zach Peckham 53

Advanced Masters
1 Ron Sharp / Hal Z-Rat 41 $50.00
2 Walsdorf / Brennen 42 $46.00
3 DeFork / Mueller 43 $42.00
4 Jake Walsdorf / Dan Mueller 45 $36.00
5 Ric Johnson / Lee Defork 45 $36.00
6 Girolami / Hafner 45 $36.00
7 Rick McNutt / Ricky Wright 47 $32.00
8 Escobedo / Gibbons 47 $32.00
9 Dale Gibbons / Keith Simmons 47 $32.00
10 David Quintanilla / Brett Johnson 48 $18.00
11 Sheldon Parker / Jon Peacock 49
12 Mark Nunn / Jeff Pitt 50
13 Stevo / Tim 50
14 Schroeder / Pouler 53
15 Bert Lirette / Del Stair 53
16 Lirette / Vigil 53
17 Randon Dillingham / Daryl Dore 59
19 James S / Mark P ???
20 Michael / John ???

Advanced Grandmasters
1 Bob Miller / M Burke 46 $34.00
2 Wade Kolb / Charles Chaumont 49 $20.00
3 Baumann / McCurdy 58

Intermediate
T1 Lou Moreno / Matt Kessler 45 $50.00
T1 Gordon Maxim-Kelley / Harry Kalthoff 45 $50.00
3 Harold Jarnigan / Tom Novak 47 $36.00
T4 Laura Coffey / KT Stockham 48 $22.00
T4 Richard McCaine / Robert Reynolds 48 $22.00
6 Larry Cormack / John Godfrey 49
7 John Brady / John Falcon 50
8 Joe Falcon / Steven Jimenez 52
9 Andi Lehman / Don Young 53
10 Raul Alvarez / Michael V 57

seewhere
Oct 18 2005, 02:16 PM
wow 74 teams played doubles that has to be a record. next year may I suggest you have someone other than waterloo staff handle the $$ divisions and than waterloo staff can handle the Plastic division for dubs. Will be less stress with all the other things the staff is having to worry about. :o

jpeacock
Oct 18 2005, 03:14 PM
Great Time, Good Tribute to Father Dave. :cool:
Can't believe I moved to Adv. GRAND Masters and still finished in the lower half of the field, although the top guys are baggers. :o:p :o
Thanks Gordo, Ug, Prairie Dog, Sheldon and all the spotters and volunteers that make Waterloo Great!! :cool::D:cool:JP

dizzard
Oct 18 2005, 03:15 PM
good idea chris, things get hectic up there.
feel the need to praise lou moreno, ryan kimbrough, roger allen and gordo for a bang up job. exceptional staff make waterloo so special each year. thanks for all your hard work and complete devotion of a weekend of your lives to make so many people comfortable. WATERLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOU!!!

nix
Oct 18 2005, 03:25 PM
Sounds like antother fantastic Waterloo...

As some of you may know, I was unable to play because my little brother moved his wedding date to this past weekend..

An intersting note- the minister who did the ceremony is a begining disc golfer, and mentioned disc golf about 6 times during the ceremony!! Just thought that was pretty cool..

hitnchains
Oct 18 2005, 03:29 PM
Had a great time playing doubles...wish we could have played the rest of the weekend. As always, the Waterloo staff ran a great tournament, and everyone seemed to have a blast. Good job, guys, I look forward to next year! Lou, good playing with you. Better see you and Matt in Advanced next time....baggers!! :D

LouMoreno
Oct 18 2005, 03:38 PM
Chris, sorry about the problems with doubles. It will definitely be something that we correct for next year.

Corey, how much of a bagger can you be if you tie Gordon & Harry? :p

harry
Oct 18 2005, 03:59 PM
Lou, you tied an old cripple and some guy wearing a funny hat........wouldn't call you a bagger :D

harry
Oct 18 2005, 04:00 PM
Yeah! The top 4 are baggers and should go Pro :eek: :p

jpeacock
Oct 18 2005, 04:07 PM
Good Rounds with you Harry! Why didn't you wear down and choke like I did in the final round? You moved up I moved back. We never did share any Jack. Next time!! :cool:Steve moved down that last round just to play with us. Thanks Stevo. :DJP

gordonmk
Oct 18 2005, 04:13 PM
Just a quick note on the doubles (and I'll have much more to post later) :D

I did find that missing doubles scorecard last night. Some of the scoring problems - that then led to payout problems came because....

Our staff person did add up the score semi-incorrectly (he/she put down 13, which was correct, but then also wrote 49, which was not correct. (13 under somehow equaling 49 :confused:).

HOWEVER, that person shouldn't have had to put a score down at all. The players should have done that. Instead it appears that the players just wrote in their 2s and 3s and then turned it in without a total number written. Shame On You! :mad:


We'll work on a few things to try and make doubles go a little better next year. :D

gordonmk
Oct 18 2005, 04:14 PM
And what the hell happened to my avatar? :confused:

I just noticed that. Sheesh

nix
Oct 18 2005, 04:20 PM
Come on Gordon, keep up!
Read this:
what happened to your avatar (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Miscellaneous&Number=432451&Searchpage=0&Main=430867&Search=true&#Post432451)

my_hero
Oct 18 2005, 04:23 PM
That was ONE sick MASTERS field! I hope to make it next year.

#216 signing out!

seewhere
Oct 18 2005, 04:25 PM
HOWEVER, that person shouldn't have had to put a score down at all. The players should have done that. Instead it appears that the players just wrote in their 2s and 3s and then turned it in without a total number written. Shame On You

that would have been Dion holding the card but I am pretty sure we are the ones that wrote -13 which still does not translate to 49 but is still incorrect next time I see Dion I will stick a FOOT up his [I'm a potty-mouth!] /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

sandalman
Oct 18 2005, 04:26 PM
PLEASE can we find a way to make the ratings count???

PUHLEASE!?!? :D

edman
Oct 18 2005, 04:27 PM
Great job as usual Waterlooooooo. Gordo, Lou, Roger, Sheldon and all others awesome. Here's something I bet nobody else can claim from this year's tourney. Me and Lala got home on Sun. night and calculated everything we won. Payout, ctp's, r.o.f., raffle, etc... and we cashed in $425. Unbelievable. See you next year Waterloooooooo.

seewhere
Oct 18 2005, 04:32 PM
PLEASE can we find a way to make the ratings count

HELL NO!!!! :D

esalazar
Oct 18 2005, 04:41 PM
PLEASE can we find a way to make the ratings count???

PUHLEASE!?!? :D



I agree!! it is sanctioned and everyone plays the same course and same conditions!! :p

gordonmk
Oct 18 2005, 05:04 PM
PLEASE can we find a way to make the ratings count???

PUHLEASE!?!? :D



I agree!! it is sanctioned and everyone plays the same course and same conditions!! :p



I'd be happy for them to count. All everyone has to do is convince the pdga that one little mulligan per round doesn't really affect things that much. :D

Heck, at least 25% of the time or more, I bet that 2nd shot is as bad as, or even worse, than the first. :o

harry
Oct 18 2005, 05:19 PM
And not everyone even used the mulligans.......okay I used 1 :D

harry
Oct 18 2005, 05:19 PM
Jon, Sunday is always good to me :cool:

sandalman
Oct 18 2005, 05:21 PM
since virtually everyone had the mullies available to them, it seems a defensible argument that everyone played under the same conditions and on the same course.

the mulligans are a mental aspect of the round, equivalent to some of the contrived OBs and "clowns mouth" mandos that are accepted without a second thought at other sanctioned events.

i believe the argument for counting the rounds is at least equal in validity to the argument against.

LouMoreno
Oct 18 2005, 05:40 PM
Heck, at least 25% of the time or more, I bet that 2nd shot is as bad as, or even worse, than the first. :o



I saw quite a few scores over 3 when a mulligan was used. Some even had penalty strokes. :o

I think Seewhere has a good mulligan on Mt Waterloo story from last year's tournament. :D

esalazar
Oct 18 2005, 05:45 PM
speaking of mt. waterloo , I used my mulligan in the 3rd and 4th round on the first hole .. :D

seewhere
Oct 18 2005, 06:35 PM
why yes I do. but this year I used my Mulligans and turned 2 circle 4's into birdies. NO RATINGS WITH MULLIGANS. maybe next year

jpeacock
Oct 18 2005, 06:49 PM
Sorry Sandleman, A lot of old can't play disc worth a chic guys love those mulligans. It's our insurance security blanket. I know for guys who play a lot of tourneys they could use the ratings but it is Waterloo, an old charity tourney for old guys. :D
What about that young'un Ian Hovey. Makes me sick! :p Keep goin Kid! JP

sandalman
Oct 18 2005, 07:08 PM
i aint complaining about the mulligans. i used three of mine, two wisely.

the_kid
Oct 18 2005, 07:19 PM
PLEASE can we find a way to make the ratings count???

PUHLEASE!?!? :D



I agree!! it is sanctioned and everyone plays the same course and same conditions!! :p



I'd be happy for them to count. All everyone has to do is convince the pdga that one little mulligan per round doesn't really affect things that much. :D

Heck, at least 25% of the time or more, I bet that 2nd shot is as bad as, or even worse, than the first. :o



Just don't offer a mulligan. :o

keithjohnson
Oct 18 2005, 09:08 PM
sounds like most things went great and i'm glad i could contribute in my own little way towards everyone's payout...

so how did the tee sign on hole #6 look?? :D:D

looking forward to seeing it and congrats again....

also did seeware and vinnie get their stuff??

and last but not least...
i guess vinnie never found the mail box or figured out what he was trying to say after coming off of meds last time i asked :eek: :D:D

seewhere
Oct 19 2005, 12:01 AM
yes thank you for the tee sign Keith. also won the silent auction on the christmas stamp orc. sweet. thanks again

LouMoreno
Oct 19 2005, 02:31 PM
Just don't offer a mulligan. :o



You're taking away over $350 from the Ronald McDonald House if you do that.

esalazar
Oct 19 2005, 03:31 PM
I personally would give the $4 as a donation rather than have mulligans if the rounds were counted!!by the way , GREAT JOB LOU!! :D

gotcha
Oct 19 2005, 04:59 PM
[QUOTE]
We'll be doing a number of things to honor David Tayloe at this year's Waterloo tournament: Tayloe Toe Throwing Contest on Sunday after lunch.

quote]

How was the Tayloe Toe Toss? :D

harry
Oct 19 2005, 05:35 PM
Quite funny in a way Dave would have loved :)

jpeacock
Oct 19 2005, 06:05 PM
Did Fox News ever air anything about the tournement? On Sunday the camera guy was getting footage of players and he said he thought it would be on the 5 pm Sunday news cast.
Anybody see it? Anybody tape it? JP

Oct 19 2005, 06:06 PM
The Toe Throw Competition was quite entertaing and I'm sure Tayloe was looking down at us and laughing. I'm guessing that close to 30 people competed. The longest throw was 76'8" by Ryan (the staff guy who's last name I always forget).
The shortest throw about negative 10 feet. All the competitors had to wear tye-dyed, pointed birthday party hats while throwing.

LouMoreno
Oct 19 2005, 06:11 PM
Ryan Kimbro was the winner. Does anyone know what disc he threw?

harry
Oct 19 2005, 06:47 PM
That negative 10' was yours wasn't Richard :D

harry
Oct 19 2005, 06:48 PM
He had a Valkyrie of mine for 1 of the 2 but don't know if that was the winner

LouMoreno
Oct 19 2005, 07:17 PM
I tried it with a 150g Valk at home. It took a piece of skin from between my toes with it. It was way too sharp edged.

Oct 19 2005, 07:28 PM
That negative 10' was yours wasn't Richard :D



Gimme a break! I had a nice shot, 5th or 6th longest shot.
I even finished in the money, which is better than I did throwing with my hands.
I'll be going for the title next year. Watch out Ryan.

Also, thanks to everyone involved for another awesome
Waterloooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

the_kid
Oct 19 2005, 07:32 PM
I personally would give the $4 as a donation rather than have mulligans if the rounds were counted!!by the way , GREAT JOB LOU!! :D



Yeah or just raise the entry since it fills so fast anyways. Like $5

esalazar
Oct 20 2005, 09:29 AM
yeah no kidding!! what is the use of pdga sanctioning if the rounds do not count?? and points are pretty much meaningless for the majority!!

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 10:53 AM
and the first round was mixed divsions, thereby violating the sanctioning agreement anywayz! :D

Keep the Mulligans - but COUNT THE ROUNDS!

gordonmk
Oct 20 2005, 11:18 AM
and the first round was mixed divsions, thereby violating the sanctioning agreement anywayz! :D




Wow, way to make me look up some rules there Sandalman :D

However, I don't think the mixed divisions during the first round really is breaking the sancioning agreement. There doesn't seem to be anything specific about it in the agreement itself, and in the rule book under Grouping & Sectioning, it says that Pros and Ams SHOULD not be grouped together. It doesn't say Shall, Must, Will, etc ("absolute" words used elsewhere in the rules), but Should (suggested - even strongly suggested).

It may be against the preferred method, but it seems to me like it is still allowed.

And just to be more picky :D even under the Should suggestion, it only says pros and ams, not each division, so it seems like you could use the preferred method and still have mixed divisions as long as the pro divsions are mixed together separately from the am divisions.

I bet someone out there could direct us towards a thread on the rules section that addresses this?

seewhere
Oct 20 2005, 11:21 AM
wah wah!!! :o WATERLOO is about having FUN and raising $$ for Ronald. If you care about ratings ( that BLOW anyways) than I suggest not playing WATERLOO as you could tell there were many folks that gladly would have taken your SPOT!!! :p

gordonmk
Oct 20 2005, 11:30 AM
yeah no kidding!! what is the use of pdga sanctioning if the rounds do not count?? and points are pretty much meaningless for the majority!!



There are two points: the main one is liability insurance. The city won't allow the tournament without it. The second is tradition. Park Pete in winter was rarely, if ever, sanctioned back then, but the Classic almost always was.

Now, if someone wants to do all the insurance foot-work and pony up the money to get us a fat liability policy, we could look at not sanctioning the event. It would certainly mean a lot less work for me and the club. No fees to collect, no checking active status and collecting $5 plus names and addresses, no report to fill out, no stats to submit, and on and on. I'd be curious to know if players really care if this one is sanctioned, especially if there aren't ratings coming out of it.

I think that points matter just as much (or just as little - depending on your point of view) as they ever did. Although I do agree that ratings have become very important to many players.

The whole mulligan thing was started long before ratings came about. Yes, we could raise the entry fee and donate the extra money in the mulligan's place. Heck, we could probably raise the entry a lot more and still fill up. But the mulligans are more about fun and fundraising. This isn't supposed to be a big serious tournament. It is supposed to be a very fun disc golf family gathering that does a lot of good things for the players and the charity. All about the Karma :D

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 11:36 AM
i hope yall dont think i'm seriously b1tching about anything. its fun playing with mulli's. i just want my ratings to count :cool:

WATERLOOOOOO!

gordonmk
Oct 20 2005, 11:36 AM
[quote All about the Karma :D

[/QUOTE]
Speaking of Karma, how about these numbers:

1005 Raffle tickets sold = $1005

And assuming we can contact and collect from the auction winners who weren't there sunday night...

over $3700 raised from the silent auction

:) :D :D

harry
Oct 20 2005, 11:39 AM
The only thing serious about Waterloo is raising money for the charity and I for one hopes it stays that way.

gordonmk
Oct 20 2005, 11:39 AM
I know you're not ******** Pat, and I'd love for the ratings to count too. We just have to figure out a way to get the pdga to say "ok".

I can't believe I forgot to give you your discs the whole weekend :o Guess I'll have to send them up to you after all. I'll try to do that next week.

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 12:12 PM
yeah you didnt have anything else on your mind! sheesh :D

gnduke
Oct 20 2005, 12:46 PM
Not complaining, but Pat is correct.

804.06.A. could be read as non binding, but the Rules Q&A is a bit more explicit.


804.06 GROUPING & SECTIONING
A. Professional and Amateur players should not be grouped together, and all players from different divisions shall be segregated from each other during play as much as practicable.



Rule Question: Mixing divisions
Question: Can a TD put players from different divisions in the same group?

Response: Only if absolutely necessary. A TD must strive to place players into groups with players from the same division insofar as is possible. That is especially true with regard to the border between pro and am divisions. Pros should play with pros, and ams should play with ams.

A TD may need to mix divisions in order to fill a group, because divisions are rarely evenly divisible by the group size. That is fine. (For example, there may be three senior grandmasters and two women masters at a tournament with groups of five; they may be placed within the same group.)

Exceptions to the grouping constraints may also be obtained by the TD by petitioning the Competition Director.

Yours Sincerely,
The PDGA Rules Committee



I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, especially for this event, just that if you are planning to do it you should include it in the waiver request used for the mulligans and advertise it on the flyers.

dizzard
Oct 20 2005, 01:20 PM
so golfing is'nt fun if it's not rated? do i need a rating to know how well i threw? detach, feel the chi and enjoy the outing guys, it's for fun remember?

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 01:22 PM
yeah i know all that. i had a blast at waterloo. but that doesnt mean i cant also want the ratings to count.

gordonmk
Oct 20 2005, 01:29 PM
Thanks for the clarification Gary. I don't think I've seen that rules Q&A before, can you please let me know where it is?

It would certainly be easier on staff not to have mixed cards that first round. But maybe not as much fun for the players? I think people like it, but it would be interesting to hear their feedback.

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 01:39 PM
this issue has come up on lots of tourney threads before, and there are generally two primary feelings.

1. the local players like mixed divisions because they play with the same people every round pretty much, and mixed divisions allow (force) them to play with new faces.

2. the travelling and/or "competitive" players prefer to play within their division because they're playing against their competition rather than some unrelated factor.

another common complaint about mixing is some high-and-mighty person whining about having to play with the worst player in the entire field, yada yada yada... i doubt anyone at waterloo would play that card though.

another interesting note: pdga player surveys show that ratings are the single most cited reason for joining/belonging to the pdga.

esalazar
Oct 20 2005, 01:41 PM
yeah i know all that. i had a blast at waterloo. but that doesnt mean i cant also want the ratings to count.



absolutely!! As much as some people dislike ratings they are an essential element in the competitive structure of the pdga!! Just think where we would be without them ! Not only do they measure where each player is in respect to the rest of the players , they also are a reasonable guage for each individuals progression in cometitive play!!! Waterloo is definately a blast to participate in , I have played waterloo every year since I started competing!! However this is a pdga sanctioned event and there are many factors to consider when there is a sanctioned agreement!! LONG LIVE WATERLOO!!! :D

gnduke
Oct 20 2005, 01:44 PM
Go to the rules link above,
There will be a link for Rules Q&A at the top of the page.
Select the Mixing Divisions question.

dizzard
Oct 20 2005, 01:44 PM
i love the format, one of the things that keeps me from playing more tourneys are having to play with the same 6 players over and over in adv masters. i should consider moving when there are only 5-6 people registered in the division.
mixed division cards for the first round allows you to see different faces and makes it more interesting. moody does that alot in his tourneys for the first round, have not heard complaints there.

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 01:54 PM
so does states, at least they did last year. both shouldnt - they're only three rounds as it is.

gnduke
Oct 20 2005, 01:58 PM
I think it should be kept here since the event is already an X-tier and it is traditionally done, just that it should be officially requested and advertised.

dizzard
Oct 20 2005, 01:59 PM
but this year i got to play the first round with chris ware, one of my golf heros and some day i hope to get on a card with the legend james mccaine.

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 02:02 PM
maybe waterloo could auction off card spots with the "in demand" golfers.. that might boost the charity fund a bit more

esalazar
Oct 20 2005, 02:04 PM
now that is a great idea!! :D

esalazar
Oct 20 2005, 02:05 PM
but this year i got to play the first round with chris ware, one of my golf heros



now thats funny!!!!

suemac
Oct 20 2005, 02:06 PM
Unfortunately, my favorite DG'r isn't among us anymore. :(

FATHER DAVE, WE MISS YOU!

mitchjustice
Oct 20 2005, 02:08 PM
in the first round I was the youngest on my card(at 37)...only at Waterloooooooooooooooooooo

seewhere
Oct 20 2005, 02:16 PM
thanks Dan :D that was a very fun round. I ws the youngest on my card at 38

suemac
Oct 20 2005, 02:19 PM
Ya'll are just babes in the woods!

sandalman
Oct 20 2005, 03:22 PM
and yer a babe anywhere!

jpeacock
Oct 20 2005, 04:24 PM
I cannot compete to place high in my division, but I still play. I personally did not renew my PDGA fees due to all the rules, regulations, and BS. :p I understand that the PDGA is needed to promote and regulate the sport. Waterloo is and has been a fun charity event. If the politics get much worse there may not be a Waterloo tournament.
I play for fun and enjoy the mixed 1st round and the mulligans. I meet new people and enjoy the various styles of play.
Let�s keep Waterloo a fun fundraiser. Thanks again Waterloo Disc Golf club in all their efforts to make this a big fun disc golf tournament. :DJP

easyE
Oct 20 2005, 05:38 PM
seewhere IS my hero!!

seewhere
Oct 20 2005, 05:41 PM
thanks Eric. way to set your sights high. :D. see ya in Houston

easyE
Oct 20 2005, 05:47 PM
can't make this one. I gotta go back home this weekend. maybe we can get on a drunk card at beeville ams. lol :D

seewhere
Oct 20 2005, 05:55 PM
thought I saw registered for states? oh well. maybe beeville :o

justice
Oct 21 2005, 11:30 AM
I LOVE the 1st round mix-up!!!! I got to play with Robert, Aaron Stair, Jimbo AND James 'The Legend' McCain!
Apewood....What are you talking about?
Lou...I don't see Team Justice on the Doubles Results. We shot a -9 in Adv. Men to tie for last cash!
Thanks to the STAFF for all the hard work put into this event. This was my first time to play in it &amp; I can't imagine EVER missing it again! Another Thank You to the players for their support of Waterloo and all it envelops.
WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oct 21 2005, 12:10 PM
Saw one of the Colormax Mini's yesterday, and all i can say is ....

<font color="red"> AWESOME!!!!! </font>

LouMoreno
Oct 21 2005, 01:39 PM
We might have had a few problems recording doubles scores. Team Justice's score was added at the park but I forgot to record it on the spreadsheet. Here's the corrected doubles results for the Advanced division.

Advanced
1 J Hovey / I Hovey 39 $55.00
2 Blair Nicholson / JD Baker 40 $49.00
3 Gary Landry / Travis Landry 41 $45.00
4 A Barger / M Bond 42 $41.00
T5 Ric Johnson / Eric Goette 44 $32.00
T5 Aaron Stair / Lynn Wright 44 $32.00
T5 Jack Carr / Kirk Lavallee 44 $32.00
T5 Robbie Cooper / Kris Hartley 44 $32.00
T9 B Baumgardner / Tim Creson 45 $20.00
T9 Tom White / Ignacio Medina 45 $20.00
T9 Allen Browder / Matt Harris 45 $20.00
T9 Patty Justice / Mitch Justice 45 $20.00
13 Steve Henry / Ed Washburn 46
T14 Roger Allen / Rick Amaya 47
T14 Parker Jackson / Guy Boyan 47
T14 Stephen / Roberto Gomez 47
T14 Joe Torrence / Ed Morgan 47
T14 Ed Coffey / Marcus Lujan 47
19 Matthews / Temple 48
20 Brad Granier / Leon Gilliard 49
21 Dave Nalle / Coggeshall 51
22 Bill Peckham / Zach Peckham 53

gordonmk
Oct 21 2005, 01:51 PM
Ah Lou... master of the understatement :D

We'll work on those problems for next year.

Also, we had 2 women's teams:

Adv Women: Laura Hovey & Susan Macaluso shot at 56; $18

Rec Women: Lynn Chaumont & Kristen Carlton shot a 67; $18


That makes 77 doubles teams on friday - amazing! :D

gordonmk
Oct 21 2005, 02:10 PM
Saw one of the Colormax Mini's yesterday, and all i can say is ....

<font color="red"> AWESOME!!!!! </font>


Thanks Cong! Yep, they did end up coming out pretty nicely. We do still have some more for sale at $10. If anyone is interested, just send me at PM or an email to [email protected] It should only cost a extra buck to mail them.

Oct 21 2005, 07:34 PM
This is the only tournament I ever play (most years) and I had a great time, except for my forth round explosion that knocked me out of all contention. Even then, I still had fun on the lead card.

Thanks all for a killer tournament, with the best staff and the best people playing. See you again next year (unless you see me sneaking in a round somewhere) !

seeker
Aug 03 2006, 10:08 AM
Mark your calendars!

jakewalsdorf
Aug 03 2006, 01:11 PM
More like get your Mc C note entry ready... Wonder if $100 will still buy a player in?

suemac
Aug 03 2006, 01:15 PM
Yes, oh yes, a crisp Ben Franklin will do the trick. For the rest of us poor fools, can anyone tell when regular registration will open.

I know that lots of good stuff in players packs (ALL PLAYERS) like the tie-dye towels I am providing for everyone. We all deserve a bit of color in our Waterloo experience!

See ya'll there!

harry
Aug 03 2006, 02:14 PM
I would venture to guess registration will be a yet determined couple of hours sometime in September/October :eek: :cool::) :D

harry
Aug 03 2006, 02:15 PM
Make that UNdetermined......sheeeeez :confused:

james_mccaine
Aug 03 2006, 02:17 PM
Yes, it is getting to be that time of year again: time to pay off Uncle Gordo. :D

suemac
Aug 03 2006, 02:29 PM
Is that a GM misfire? Better known as a brain fart?

harry
Aug 03 2006, 02:58 PM
Watch it Girl :p

suemac
Aug 03 2006, 03:06 PM
No, that's your job! ;)

jpeacock
Aug 03 2006, 04:53 PM
What Up Harry? How is your sorry #$*&$! game? :oJP

jpeacock
Aug 03 2006, 04:57 PM
Man they even edit a z z on this thing. :p JP

Pizza God
Aug 03 2006, 05:00 PM
I need to send in my cash, I found out last week I should be able to go.

alirette
Aug 03 2006, 10:50 PM
More like get your Mc C note entry ready... Wonder if $100 will still buy a player in?


Yes, it does and I'm already in. :cool:

Pizza God
Aug 05 2006, 05:11 PM
can you paypal your entry fee anywhere???????

alirette
Aug 05 2006, 05:33 PM
Not yet. The Great Gordo is on vacation but, I will find out when you can as soon as he gets back.

Pizza God
Aug 05 2006, 06:23 PM
I told them they should put the McNote chalenge on Titledisc last year. I bet the tournament would fill up that way.

Pizza God
Aug 05 2006, 06:27 PM
BTW, I will be looking to ride down there with someone to cut gas expences and room expences. i would like to either get floor space or split a room with someone.

i can leave anytime. i will work it out.

if i have to drive down there myself, i would like some floor space somewhere to help pay for the gas. (it would cost me about $75 to $90 in gas based on prices right now)

i would like to keep travel expences as low as possible, I would rather spend my money on the tournament and auctions.

yobyug
Aug 06 2006, 07:14 PM
Anyone seen the pictures of World Amateur Finals......some guy was representing Waterloo Disc Golf Club, quite well......

26691
Aug 07 2006, 10:37 PM
Specially that bill board behind Ian. Way to go Waterloo!!!!!

alirette
Aug 08 2006, 11:31 PM
I only have a oicture of him putting at Waco. :mad:
Do you think he will play Open at Waterloo ?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/albertlirette/830e5281.jpg

seewhere
Aug 08 2006, 11:52 PM
per Ian he is no longer playing any AM events. so he says

yobyug
Aug 09 2006, 12:03 AM
Waterloo......behind him.......not beyond.....perdict a top 20 finish at worlds.........Top fifty @ worst............Takers? :D

seewhere
Aug 09 2006, 12:06 AM
top 20 what you thinking about wagering??

alirette
Aug 10 2006, 12:20 AM
I want a piece of that bet. How much to get in?

atxdiscgolfer
Aug 10 2006, 01:57 AM
you might be losing some money then, because Ian is without a doubt one of the best players in town and could easily get in the top 20.He's already in 28th or 29th and only has to make up a couple of strokes to move into the top 20.

yobyug
Aug 10 2006, 02:44 AM
No faith..........sad.....no wonder you guys always get smoked! You guys need to keep your money....seen yall play! Joe.....u know....kid is gonna smoke...and turn some heads....in 31st now! watch him climb! :cool:

seewhere
Aug 10 2006, 08:29 AM
so what's your excuse for always getting smoked appears you have the faith??? so what's the bet 6 pack or a disc??? and if you want to bet $$ on me and against you name the place and time!!! Now back to the title of this thread WATERLOO!!

rolo14
Aug 10 2006, 12:28 PM
Back to discussing Waterloo 2005! ;)

seewhere
Aug 10 2006, 12:33 PM
err you mean waterloo 2006 :) right

rolo14
Aug 10 2006, 12:37 PM
Nope. I mean Waterloo 2005. Look at the main tourney index--this is last year's thread. Anybody can change the Re field. ;)

alirette
Aug 11 2006, 01:30 PM
I think that this thread will have to do untill Gordo gets back from vacation and starts the new one, OK? :cool:

alirette
Aug 11 2006, 02:47 PM
No faith..........sad.....no wonder you guys always get smoked! You guys need to keep your money....seen yall play! Joe.....u know....kid is gonna smoke...and turn some heads....in 31st now! watch him climb! :cool:


Tied for 42nd now. Come on Ian !!!

keithjohnson
Aug 12 2006, 07:43 PM
met prairie dog(ray murray) at the pdga banquet thursday night and i told him i would again be sponsoring my pals in texas at this years waterlooooo classic....

great to put a face with another message boarder


keith

alirette
Aug 18 2006, 09:07 AM
Sign ups for The 29th Waterloo Classic will be starting in the beginning of September. Guaranteed to fill before the tournament so, sign up as soon as you can. :cool:

Pizza God
Aug 18 2006, 11:20 AM
without looking it up, where do we send $100 to get a spot? I will mail a check today,I prefer to pay via PayPal though.

bigbadude
Aug 18 2006, 11:24 AM
Keith are you gonna make Waterloo, you got a place to say, just say your gonna make it.

bigbadude
Aug 18 2006, 11:25 AM
Gordon, I would like to do the Mc C note thing again. Can I stop by sometime next week?

alirette
Aug 18 2006, 01:14 PM
Hey Bryan and "El Chili",
If you send "The Great Gordo" an e-mail he might tell you how to get in.
Send to [email protected] and ask.
Be sure to mention "The Mac-C Note Challenge".
Or try this:
The way the McC-Note Challenge works is this: Send the Waterloo Club a check for $100 now and include your P.D.G.A. # and division. Your spot in the tournament is then guaranteed. When fees for the different divisions are set, we will deduct the following from your $100: your entry, ace pot, ring-of-fire, and mulligan fees. All the money left goes directly to the charity. In 2004, there were 51 McC-Note Challengers (over half the field). This added nearly $2000 to the total charitable donation!

To clarify something that has come up occasionally: this money saves �your� spot, not �a� spot. Once the tournament fills up and there is a waitlist, if you have to cancel you can�t just give your spot to someone else. As with any cancellation, the spot goes to the next person on the waitlist. And believe me, as the tournament gets close, the people on the waitlist eagerly await any and every cancellation. If you do have to cancel, you will receive a refund of everything except what would have gone to the charity (and that money will still be added to the donation).

Flyers for 2006 (and thus open registration) probably won�t be out until sometime in August or September, so don�t wait � send in your McC-Note now (mail to WDGC, PO Box 33531, Austin, TX, 78764 - payable to WDGC). See you at Waterloooooo!
:cool:

bigbadude
Aug 18 2006, 01:22 PM
Chile out Albert, I have been a sponsor for several years know, sometimes we need to yank on Gordon's chain ;) The Ronald McDonald House is why I like to help out :)

alirette
Aug 18 2006, 01:24 PM
Me too. I work for Children's hospital of Austin.
Just trying to help. :D

gordonmk
Aug 18 2006, 01:26 PM
Okay, the new thread is up and running. The link over to it is: http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=578433&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1


Bryan: sorry no pay pal or titledisc; only the old fashioned way.

El Chile: yes, I'll be around the office next week. Give me a call and drop on by.

Registration will probably open in late August or early September, so watch the board and your email carefully if you aren't Father Dave McC-Noting.

Full Father Dave McC-Note info is below (same thing that starts off the new thread).

---------------------------------------------------

It�s Father Dave McC-Note Time

The 29th Annual Waterloo Disc Golf Classic is rapidly approaching. As usual, the tournament will be on the third weekend in October (Oct. 21-22, 2006). Time is running out for you to reserve your spot in this incredibly popular tournament. About twenty people have already taken the Father Dave McC-Note Challenge to guarantee their place. Don�t wait too long and risk missing out. Last year when the tournament was opened up for general registration, the remaining spots were claimed within 10 days.

The way the Father Dave McC-Note Challenge works is this: Send the Waterloo Club a check for $100 now. Your spot in the tournament is then guaranteed. When fees for the different divisions are set, we will deduct the following from your $100: your entry, ace pot, ring-of-fire, and mulligan fees. All the money left goes directly to the charity. In 2005, there were 53 McC-Note Challengers (over half the field). This added over $2000 to the total charitable donation!

To clarify something that has come up occasionally: this money saves �your� spot, not �a� spot. Once the tournament fills up and there is a waitlist, if you have to cancel you can�t just give your spot to someone else. As with any cancellation, the spot goes to the next person on the waitlist. As the tournament gets close, the people on the waitlist eagerly await any and every cancellation. If you do have to cancel, you will receive a refund of everything except what would have gone to the charity (and that money will still be added to the donation).

Flyers for 2006 (and thus open registration) probably won�t be out until sometime late in August or early September, so don�t wait � send in your Father Dave McC-Note now (mail to WDGC, PO Box 33531, Austin, TX, 78764 - payable to WDGC). See you at Waterloooooo!

Gordon Maxim-Kelley
TD

bigbadude
Aug 18 2006, 01:40 PM
Albert I started back in 1998 with the City Of Austin in raising $$$ for the cause. The Waterloo Disc Golf Club has set up! and is doing a WONDERFUL JOB with this event. Gordon I will see you next week. :cool:

gordonmk
Aug 18 2006, 01:42 PM
Thanks Jerry & Bert!

Keith: I hope you can take Jerry up on his offer of a place to stay. I'd love for you to come play Waterloo this year.

(come down for the TX 10 Finals and then stay a month for Waterloo :D )

bigbadude
Aug 18 2006, 05:38 PM
Almost forgot, I got $300.00 dollars in sponsorship money. :cool:

gordonmk
Aug 18 2006, 06:01 PM
That's great Jerry, thanks! :) :D


Now... let's let this thread fade back into obscurity, and shift everything over to the "29th" thread. :D

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=578433&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1