What do you do with them? Banish them?

My last three PDGA tournies the same guy has been on my card and cheated in one way or another. Either by stepping WAY past his lie, kicking his marker forward and finally blatantly changing his score. The dude took a DNF at the most recent one because he didnt want to face the music from the TD. But it just sucks because it ruined the mood for the rest of the card.

Anyone else run in to this and how do you remedy? I'm thinking he should be tarred and feathered.


Later

What you should have done was just take him in the woods and kick his AS$!!!

I was at this tournament. What EXACTLY happend because I want the full story when I tell EVERYONE!!!

My last three PDGA tournies the same guy has been on my card and cheated in one way or another. Either by stepping WAY past his lie, kicking his marker forward and finally blatantly changing his score. The dude took a DNF at the most recent one because he didnt want to face the music from the TD. But it just sucks because it ruined the mood for the rest of the card.



Well you could start by calling foot faults telling him to move his mini back because he must have mis placed it and then for the final action you just beat the snot out of him :D

Contact the PDGA, get him suspended.

Big Pimpin,

He got a 4 on a hole at Stony shortly after the rain delay while someone else in my group was keeping score. When it came time for the cheater to keep score he went back and changed that 4 to a 3. The guy in my group noticed because he wrote down the original four. After being called out he said it was up to the TD as for the penalty. But took off after two more holes for a DNF.

The thought of dragging him towards the toilet for a swirly did cross my mind.

-Jeremiah
#26477

The big 6'8 kid that got schooled on Sunday.......lol

What do you do with them? Banish them?




There's a very well known Cheater, Liar and a Thief who lives in Nor Cali. What we did prior to the worlds was tell the TD about her. He asked one of his volunteers to follow our group under the guise of "here's a nice guy who will volunteer to keep score for you ladies." Hence, she never got her dirty paws on the card at all. He was also there to make sure she didn't steal anything out of anyone's bag.

It's sad this world has cheaters, liars and thieves but beating the soup out of them isn't going to change them. I'm sure one of the "PDGA RULES! PDGA RULES! folks will pipe up here and let you know what the rules are... cuz that's what they love to do. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If someone cheats call them out on it! Get others to watch them, and make it know to the TD's and other players in the area..Report the event to the PDGA and what step that have been taken..! Cheaters don't like to get caught, so they will go find something else to cheat at away from Disc Golf!

<font color="blue"> We had a (out of town) cheater called out in a tournament in Atlanta recently, he left in the middle of the tournament. Because everyone knew to watch him! </font>

804.05 DISQUALIFICATION & SUSPENSION
A. A player may be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:

(3) <font color="red"> Cheating: </font> a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play.

C. A player in violation of any section under 804.05 A is also <font color="red"> subject to suspension from the PDGA Tour</font>. Suspension from the PDGA Tour may only be assigned by the PDGA Commissioner. A player may appeal his or her suspension to the PDGA Board of Directors. The determination to suspend, and the length of the suspension, shall be based on the severity of the action and the extent to which the player may have committed repeated violations.

Report it to the TD, let him disqualife him then let the PDGA supened him form playing any more tournaments.

You have to have the guts to speak up right away. Put the hammer down early. Tell the TD ASAP. It's then the TD problem to police the situation.

I have had other people in my group keep seperate scores. I don't care, because I don't cheat.

If someone cheats call them out on it! Get others to watch them, and make it know to the TD's and other players in the area..Report the event to the PDGA and what step that have been taken..! Cheaters don't like to get caught, so they will go find something else to cheat at away from Disc Golf!

<font color="blue"> We had a (out of town) cheater called out in a tournament in Atlanta recently, he left in the middle of the tournament. Because everyone knew to watch him! </font>

804.05 DISQUALIFICATION & SUSPENSION
A. A player may be disqualified by the director for meeting any of the necessary conditions of disqualification as set forth in the rules, or for any of the following:

(3) <font color="red"> Cheating: </font> a willful attempt to circumvent the rules of play.

C. A player in violation of any section under 804.05 A is also <font color="red"> subject to suspension from the PDGA Tour</font>. Suspension from the PDGA Tour may only be assigned by the PDGA Commissioner. A player may appeal his or her suspension to the PDGA Board of Directors. The determination to suspend, and the length of the suspension, shall be based on the severity of the action and the extent to which the player may have committed repeated violations.



Dang !!!!!!!!!!! What about the person's reputation after that !!!!

That would last longer than a Jail sentence !!!!!! :eek:

If your any good , you would never have to cheat , Let alone take ANYTHING out of someones bag.

If I seen anyone , taking something out of my bag , their hand would be left behind !!!!! :eek: A bit Morbid , but.........

Third World Country Rules !!!!!! :mad:

DNF is bad enough , but CHEATING is for Life !!!!!!! :p

Last week I cheated on my girlfriend

...with my wife

Kick cheaters in the junk. Do try and wait until they are drinking soda, beer, water, whatever their beverage of choice is. Nonchalantly walk up, junk 'em. Walk off. Problem solved humorously. :cool:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.

I dont know why but I always seem to tee off at 4:20

Good tee time :D

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.

I dont know why but I always seem to tee off at 4:20



That's what I do too. Whenever I see this gal, I inform her group and the TD and they are now aware to keep an eye on the card and their belongings. Everyone where she lives knows who she is and she doesn't really play that much anymore anyway. But yeah, that's a good way to handle it since the PDGA doesn't seem to really care. I've brought it to their attention, several times and have never gotten a response back. So we're on our own there.

GREAT Tee Time!! :D:D

I have spoke with the cheater in question and it is my understanding that he recieved the card and marked the scores next to the wrong people and while he was going back to change them the guys in the group saw this and immediately accused him of cheating and proceeded to come and tell the people in my group that he was cheating as we were on an adjacent hole.

He also did not DNF because the guys in his group thought he was a cheater and rode his the whole time. He quit because he twisted his ankle and couldnt throw anymore. Then had to go to the doctor and get steriod shots because his poison ivy was so bad.

Now there is the other side of the story.

You guys make your own decision on what may or may not have happend. I just wanted you to hear the other side of the story before you hung this kid from a tree at your local course.

The funny thing is I think both of these guys showed up on the wrong day anyway. They should have been playing where they belong. In the Intermediate division which played the day before :eek:

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.


This is going to sound harsh, so please don't take it personally.

So what you are saying here is that you don't want make the call on a cheater, but you will tell everyone else that this person is a cheater so that they can make the call. Gee thanks.

The bottom line is that unless you or I or someone makes the call when it happens, then it is all hearsay. You have to make the call when it happens, or else just let it go. You can't make the call after the fact. And it isn't fair to anyone to try and do it after the fact. The alleged cheater is denied a chance to challenge your call of cheating. The people who you tell are now being asked to make that call that you wouldn't make. There are no "well known cheaters" until someone makes the call and documents it and then names names. Otherwise it is all after-the-fact non-call gossip.

I think everyone who has ever played disc golf has at some point not made a call that they wished they would've made. It's a fact of the game right now that if you call a rules violation, no matter how obvious or blatant, you are a Major Richard Head. It is difficult to make the call. Frequently you regret not making it. The answer is to prepare yourself to be strong and make the call next time.

Like I said, nothing personal. We have all been through it, and some people make calls and some don't.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.


This is going to sound harsh, so please don't take it personally.

So what you are saying here is that you don't want make the call on a cheater, but you will tell everyone else that this person is a cheater so that they can make the call. Gee thanks.

The bottom line is that unless you or I or someone makes the call when it happens, then it is all hearsay. You have to make the call when it happens, or else just let it go. You can't make the call after the fact. And it isn't fair to anyone to try and do it after the fact. The alleged cheater is denied a chance to challenge your call of cheating. The people who you tell are now being asked to make that call that you wouldn't make. There are no "well known cheaters" until someone makes the call and documents it and then names names. Otherwise it is all after-the-fact non-call gossip.

I think everyone who has ever played disc golf has at some point not made a call that they wished they would've made. It's a fact of the game right now that if you call a rules violation, no matter how obvious or blatant, you are a Major Richard Head. It is difficult to make the call. Frequently you regret not making it. The answer is to prepare yourself to be strong and make the call next time.

Like I said, nothing personal. We have all been through it, and some people make calls and some don't.



It is very possible to make a discrete call and let someone know , upfront that , stokes or DQ will be given if current behavior is continued !!!!!

Want examples : Smoking pot durring the tournament , even though warnings have been given.
Doing Lines on a disc , even though the players in question will swear you were doing them with them !!!!!! :eek:
Alcohol in flasks............ :eek: Discretely used , during a tournament, trying to be unoticed !!!!!! :eek:
Breaking Branches for a Better Putt or leaning the tree away with your leg. :(
Popping Illegal Pills for enhancement !!!!!!! :eek:
Throwing Mini marker in anger !!!!!
Kicking Bag !!!!!!
Swearing !!!!!! Cursing !!!!!!

All these things STILL happen , just not noticable to entire group. As mentioned , Discretely......................

Doesn't make it right or acceptable behavior !!!!!!!

Some players DO NOT care about ANYONE , but themselves , while playing. :mad:
If you try and talk to them , They say " F - U" ........ :eek:
" Try and call me on it priRiCK" , I'll end your career !!!!!!!! :eek:
Even if it distracts others !!!!!!

This is the side of the Sport.

Not everyone is like this.

I try and be cool to all , no matter what.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.


This is going to sound harsh, so please don't take it personally.

So what you are saying here is that you don't want make the call on a cheater, but you will tell everyone else that this person is a cheater so that they can make the call. Gee thanks.

The bottom line is that unless you or I or someone makes the call when it happens, then it is all hearsay. You have to make the call when it happens, or else just let it go. You can't make the call after the fact. And it isn't fair to anyone to try and do it after the fact. The alleged cheater is denied a chance to challenge your call of cheating. The people who you tell are now being asked to make that call that you wouldn't make. There are no "well known cheaters" until someone makes the call and documents it and then names names. Otherwise it is all after-the-fact non-call gossip.

I think everyone who has ever played disc golf has at some point not made a call that they wished they would've made. It's a fact of the game right now that if you call a rules violation, no matter how obvious or blatant, you are a Major Richard Head. It is difficult to make the call. Frequently you regret not making it. The answer is to prepare yourself to be strong and make the call next time.

Like I said, nothing personal. We have all been through it, and some people make calls and some don't.



Bravo! Good job Rhett. :D

I know I have been guilty of watching a falling putter, make all the putts I missed, and said nothing! tis a shame

Tis the game. At some point I just look into myself and ask, did he just earn that or intentionally try to brake the rules. I usually just look at their soul and it tells all.If they cheated and we are not playing for money then they are just cheating them selves the way I look at it. ;)

I see this way money or no money, they are only hurting themselves in the long run, and I work for my monies, not play a game. Makes life much more balanced

I have witnessed Pro's cheating. When I approached them , it was like Hillary Clinton on the witness stand , " I don't recall "..........Bull..........some will do whatever it takes to win.

It's really sad.

in the long run do they really win?

There's a very well known Cheater, Liar and a Thief who lives in Nor Cali. What we did prior to the worlds was tell the TD about her. He asked one of his volunteers to follow our group under the guise of "here's a nice guy who will volunteer to keep score for you ladies." Hence, she never got her dirty paws on the card at all. He was also there to make sure she didn't steal anything out of anyone's bag.



1999 ...and a fight occurrred

That incident overflowed to the faultline, and was not nearly as subtle as you say. I was Faultline TD w/CJ that year so I heard all about it.

It made for quite a few bad feelings outside of your circle, which never should have been allowed happen. It did some damage to some friendshps around here for a while, which never should have happened.

It was difficult because no one running the event thought it was fair to take attention way from the rest of the field because you all could not find it in yourselves to get along in a civil manner.

With all respect, it takes 2 to tango, in your case 3, and although some of you may have been more suspect than others, NONE OF YOU were able to stop egging each other on. The dirty looks and the snyde comments were every where. I know beacuse I was the one who had to keep an eye on you, second hand beacue I refused to just follow you around. A deputy, who I will not name here was assgined. It was a disgrace to everyone in your group, and the tournament itself.

Bearing that in mind, it is best of you can deal with issues at the time within your group witout making scene whenever possible at all.

If the person in question still sucks, it is your responsibility as a professional to move on, and behave like a professional.

That means ABSOLUTLEY no violence, and no egging the person on.

If they're really bad, so what? you lost to a cheater ...get over it. If it's off the chart, remain discreet let the TD or the PDGA deal with it, and try to be as discreet as psossible.

I'm not saying your wrong, or that you were necesarrily dealing with a reasonable person in that particular situation.

I'm also not saying it's easy to deal with difficlut people like that. Ignoring them is good if at all possible.

It also helps a lot of you can find a way to work it out amongst yourselves as it greatly effects other people around you in ways that you might not even be aware of.

I think cheaters are punkin eaters. :D

I think cheaters are punkin eaters. :D



Reason I carry a 34 Aluminum Baseball bat !!!!! My swing is direct , both left and right handed !!!!!!

Going........going.............GONE !!!!!!!! :eek: :D

Millz,

I know I shoulda played Saturday but had prior obligations.

You talk a lot a yang for a wee little fella.

You talk a lot a yang for a wee little fella.



:D:D:D

Dont hate the player, Hate the Game :D

No hater here. Disc on.


And I'll show you said cheaters apology if you want????

You playing Cass Benton next week?

No hater here. Disc on.


And I'll show you said cheaters apology if you want????

You playing Cass Benton next week?



:D

I wasnt on the card so I cant say anything. All I know is what I heard and what he told me.

I will for sure be playing Cass. I live about a half mile from the 1st tee :D Ill be out there practicing all next week after work if you want to play a practice round.

Hey Rhett,
Be as harsh as you want its just cyber space. You arent gonna offend me dude.


I love/hate/obsess this game!

You going to Flip City this weekend???

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There's a very well known Cheater, Liar and a Thief who lives in Nor Cali. What we did prior to the worlds was tell the TD about her. He asked one of his volunteers to follow our group under the guise of "here's a nice guy who will volunteer to keep score for you ladies." Hence, she never got her dirty paws on the card at all. He was also there to make sure she didn't steal anything out of anyone's bag.




1999 ...and a fight occurrred


<font color="red">
Correction - </font> SHE swung and I blocked her blow with my umbrella. I walked away, she again got in my face, again I walked away, again she blocked my path... so I took off and went to Frisbee Central. If the 2nd person DOES NOT swing back and walks away SEVERAL times, then there's no "fight."



That incident overflowed to the faultline, and was not nearly as subtle as you say. I was Faultline TD w/CJ that year so I heard all about it.




<font color="red">Correction - </font> MBW did NOT play the FL in 1999. She challenged me at her home course and I showed up. She backed out - probably couldn't steal enough money to enter would be my guess... but I beat all those who showed up anyway.



It made for quite a few bad feelings outside of your circle, which never should have been allowed happen. It did some damage to some friendshps around here for a while, which never should have happened.




All of the friends who were my friends back then still are to this day because they KNOW her and her lunatic ways. If other friendships were affected, that's none of my business, NOR is it yours either, Mike.




It was difficult because no one running the event thought it was fair to take attention way from the rest of the field because you all could not find it in yourselves to get along in a civil manner.



<font color="red"> Correction -</font> SHE WAS NOT THERE at the FL in 1999!!!



With all respect, it takes 2 to tango, in your case 3, and although some of you may have been more suspect than others, NONE OF YOU were able to stop egging each other on. The dirty looks and the snyde comments were every where. I know beacuse I was the one who had to keep an eye on you, second hand beacue I refused to just follow you around. A deputy, who I will not name here was assgined. It was a disgrace to everyone in your group, and the tournament itself.



You must be talking about the MC in 2000 b/c I won the MC in 1999, The World Title and FL as well that year. I didn't see her again until 2000 at MC. But because she was ATTEMPTING to be intimidating and yes, she does scare some people.. but I'm not one of them.



Bearing that in mind, it is best of you can deal with issues at the time within your group witout making scene whenever possible at all.

If the person in question still sucks, it is your responsibility as a professional to move on, and behave like a professional.




Mike, I tried - made several attempts to walk away from her but she just kept coming back until she was dragged away kicking and screaming. You were not there and by the time it was all over and I was back home, the stories had grown ridiculous! I had to laugh at how far people had added to the "facts."




That means ABSOLUTLEY no violence, and no egging the person on.





Tell that to her... she's the one who swung and I'm the one who walked away... several times.



If they're really bad, so what? you lost to a cheater ...get over it. If it's off the chart, remain discreet let the TD or the PDGA deal with it, and try to be as discreet as psossible.



Sweetheart, I WON the title and her challenge as well, not her! BTW, the TD just stood there back at FC.. said nothing and did nothing. It was up to 2 players who literally dragged her away! BTW, I AM over it and have been for about 4 years now. You are the one who brought it up. But everyone in SC knows about her reputation anyway and that's what THIS thread is about - warning others about cheaters (and in this case thieves too. Did she or did she not walk away with over $500 of cash and plastic belonging to the SC club that year??? And no one did crap about it. Amazing!!)



I'm not saying your wrong, or that you were necesarrily dealing with a reasonable person in that particular situation.



YOUR words, and yes, I agree! She's absolutely gone bonkers!! Probably too much drug use!!




I'm also not saying it's easy to deal with difficlut people like that. Ignoring them is good if at all possible.




I tried and it wasn't possible with MBW, believe me!



It also helps a lot of you can find a way to work it out amongst yourselves as it greatly effects other people around you in ways that you might not even be aware of.




I've always been able to work out situations with everyone else in my groups; but like you said, she's not a reasonable person.



So please get your facts straight before you go spouting off your mouth. Just like the starter of this thread... people should get their facts straight before posting stuff like this!!

Have a good weekend, Mike.

There will always be cheaters, unfortunately. However, if players know you WILL make the call...they tend not to cheat. Surround yourself with non-cheaters by letting everyone you play with know you're not afraid to call them on rules.

MBW and MMW...two quite different "Em-double U's", for those keeping score.

I'll do what I can to surround myself with Non-cheaters.

These are typically good players , s , who have respect for other players.

Not some druggie or selfish , non-good player. :eek:

I don't think being a good player or not has anything to do with it, Donny.

I believe the most common cheating I see is "bogie amnesia". Close to the casual version of Tournament "lead sledding" [aka pencil whippage], but I think some of the time it really is a case of just forgetting, and cheating [like lying] implies intent.

...by the way, the person I have in mind of being most guilty of this has demonstrative etiquette... :o

I think most pencil whipping is done by beginners, they soon find out that all the people know what everybody got and wont let them get away with it so they have to stop.

One beginner in our group kept forgetting throws. His 5 became 4, his 7 became 6, and after a few times of doing this we threatened to send him home. He learned.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I'm not gonna post his name or write the PDGA because he's young and I dont want to ruin him. But I will inform the TD and everyone in his group about his shennanigans whenever I see him at a tourney.



This is going to sound harsh, so please don't take it personally.

So what you are saying here is that you don't want make the call on a cheater, but you will tell everyone else that this person is a cheater so that they can make the call. Gee thanks.

The bottom line is that unless you or I or someone makes the call when it happens, then it is all hearsay. You have to make the call when it happens, or else just let it go. You can't make the call after the fact. And it isn't fair to anyone to try and do it after the fact. The alleged cheater is denied a chance to challenge your call of cheating. The people who you tell are now being asked to make that call that you wouldn't make. There are no "well known cheaters" until someone makes the call and documents it and then names names. Otherwise it is all after-the-fact non-call gossip.

I think everyone who has ever played disc golf has at some point not made a call that they wished they would've made. It's a fact of the game right now that if you call a rules violation, no matter how obvious or blatant, you are a Major Richard Head. It is difficult to make the call. Frequently you regret not making it. The answer is to prepare yourself to be strong and make the call next time.

Like I said, nothing personal. We have all been through it, and some people make calls and some don't.



Well put Rhett! There is no feasible method for the PDGA to "enforce" it's rules of play other than to have it's members and players take responsibility for protecting our game. Having a Marshal for each player is not feasible...nor desirable.

I had a competitor who's bogey had been changed to a bird during a round earlier this year, and I'm [I'm a potty-mouth!] now that I didn't report it. Rules are rules, and there is no special rule for friends. If you know someone has pencil whipped the card, let them sign their score and then bring it up with the TD. If they want to take that risk, they know the possible penalties. BUT REPORT CHEATING! They will keep pushing the line until someone lays it down.

We have had two alleged cheating incidents at our tournaments this year.

For the first one the player admitted that the score for one hole on the card was incorrect. He said he was confused because it had been a long day and they started the card on the wrong hole. The other players in the group seemed fine with a 2-stroke penalty for turning in an incorrect score so we did not have to call in a polygraph examiner. We reported it to the PDGA in the section on the TD report for reporting stuff. At the next tournament his scorecard was scored in Sharpie so I guess his competitors have the situation under control.

The other incident involved multiple holes where the player had recorded a 2 for himself and his group later said it was a 3. We had the player get together with his group to discuss the disputed holes. He talked to them and then took off without resolving the situation with the TDs, so we did not see how we could do anything other than disqualify him and turn it over to the PDGA.

The PDGA did the right thing.

We need to have those Marshall's from China , that have those Bamboo Sticks for punishment. Ayeeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!
:eek:

I think most pencil whipping is done by beginners, they soon find out that all the people know what everybody got and wont let them get away with it so they have to stop.



Ok. I had a question.

What do you do when the pencil whipping is being done by one of your best friends.
Now we don't play tournaments but casually play against each other.
There have been times (lots of times) I will keep an eye on his throws & am amazed at how many times he doesnt count all his throws.
I don't want to confront him on it & call him a "cheater"......
The only one he is cheating is himself..... but I do like to "win" every now & then.
So how would someone approach this situation?
Thanks.

There will always be cheaters, unfortunately. However, if players know you WILL make the call...they tend not to cheat. Surround yourself with non-cheaters by letting everyone you play with know you're not afraid to call them on rules.



You can enforce & call rules without saying "you're a cheater!"

You deal with it tactfully. Never forget that some of our friends are just ADD and have trouble remembering all their throws.

When our juniors were beginners we had a lot of this. Raising my fingers at each comma, I'd say, "O.k. your drive was in the middle, your upshot was in that bush, trying to throw out you went into that other bush, from there you threw it 25 feet past the basket, you missed the putt, and dropped in. How many fingers is that?" Smile. Laugh. Keep it light. Don't attempt that scenario if it would also require taking off your shoes and socks to raise toes.

When he tells you he shot a 3 when he shot a 4, just tell him it was a 4. Then you spell out the shots. "Hyzered the drive to there, smacked the tree, next shot to the basket, in for a 4." Do that a couple of times and he will get the hint that you are paying attention and he should too.

No nasty finger pointing, just a gentle hint that honesty is the best policy.

if its your best friend it should be easy...Unless he is suicidal...thenket him cheat....

Or if they call themselves Frizzaks then you may have to watch them. ( hahha )

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)

It's just that , I do not want to follow someones line , if its cRAPY.

Have you just watched someones Shank and promised yourself you were absolutely NOT going to do the same Skank , I mean throw the same Shank !!!!!! Opps........ But did it anyway !!!!!! :eek: :p

It is to give respect to the person on the Teepad , not to Laugh, yell " NOONAN" , NICE SHOT.........HACKER.................My Grandmother drives Better !!!! ......................etc..........

Unless your playing a Razz round , non tournament format. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)



That sounds more like courtesy...I see that all the time in the Pros: The person who just might be in someone's 'line' will turn their back...moving itself might be a bigger distraction.

....I know it's in the rules one is expected to watch drives, but I'm not sure about subsequently.

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)



That sounds more like courtesy...I see that all the time in the Pros: The person who just might be in someone's 'line' will turn their back...moving itself might be a bigger distraction.

....I know it's in the rules one is expected to watch drives, but I'm not sure about subsequently.



Right !!!! I tried to look for specifics , it was kinda vague.

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)



That sounds more like courtesy...I see that all the time in the Pros: The person who just might be in someone's 'line' will turn their back...moving itself might be a bigger distraction.

....I know it's in the rules one is expected to watch drives, but I'm not sure about subsequently.



Right !!!! I tried to look for specifics , it was kinda vague.



This guy , doesn't Jump Putt !!!!! :eek:
http://www.centxdglove.com/putterman.gif

I have been hearing some crazy stories about top pro's, men and women, doing various unethical things. If they don't uphold the rules who does? This isn't the MLB, we can't blame everything on the organization!

Hit your **** marker, don't cheat! Don't lie about not seeing a disc, when you actually did and you want to give penalty strokes!!!! This stuff drives me nuts! and the pencil whipping, cmon, I understand it's alot of money, but ****, do you have to cheat for it? where's the integrity? oh, yeah, it's a few strokes behind :eek: :eek: :eek:

I say we post a thread specifically for people who are caught cheating, and publicly make it known that these people cheat. It seems that everyone has the same type of story about the same people. If you're like me, you assume everyone's honest, cuz I am. If we make it known to watch certain people, like they have to do at Morley Field, then it won't happen as much.

I say we post a thread specifically for people who are caught cheating, and publicly make it known that these people cheat. It seems that everyone has the same type of story about the same people. If you're like me, you assume everyone's honest, cuz I am. If we make it known to watch certain people, like they have to do at Morley Field, then it won't happen as much.



Hey Tanner , how's it going .....................

Yea , it still happens.

Guys cheat because they cannot beat you straight up !!!!!!
They have to look for other ways to either distract you from your game , ennoy you with their BS or Smoke their sHiit in front of you , every round , all the time with total disregard to even why your there in the first place !!!!! :eek:

Want me to list names ? :eek: :eek:
Probably wouldn't shock you , since you have played here !!!!!!!! Dooooohhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! :o

Some players , just don't give a raTTS aSSs...........
It is tough to play a normal round , probably why I play Out of Town alot !!!! :eek:

I just don't want to be in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time !!!!!
If I have to go to jail , just for socializing with some players , even though I don't participate................that's FCuked Up , ya know !!!!! :eek:

I say we post a thread specifically for people who are caught cheating, and publicly make it known that these people cheat. It seems that everyone has the same type of story about the same people. If you're like me, you assume everyone's honest, cuz I am. If we make it known to watch certain people, like they have to do at Morley Field, then it won't happen as much.



Hey Tanner , how's it going .....................

Yea , it still happens.

Guys cheat because they cannot beat you straight up !!!!!!
They have to look for other ways to either distract you from your game , ennoy you with their BS or Smoke their sHiit in front of you , every round , all the time with total disregard to even why your there in the first place !!!!! :eek:

Want me to list names ? :eek: :eek:
Probably wouldn't shock you , since you have played here !!!!!!!! Dooooohhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! :o

Some players , just don't give a raTTS aSSs...........
It is tough to play a normal round , probably why I play Out of Town alot !!!! :eek:

I just don't want to be in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time !!!!!
If I have to go to jail , just for socializing with some players , even though I don't participate................that's FCuked Up , ya know !!!!! :eek:


Great response Don. You hit the nail on the head. My exact feelings about some people, and I know many of the ones you are thinking of. And once again, is why the sport will never, thats right, NEVER gain the exsposure that many other sports have. Our image is tarnished by these guys who continue to make every player in the sport look like dope addicts and [I'm a potty-mouth!] HoLeS. really is sad, I mean, ESPN had professional food eating on a couple weeks ago, and we have yet to get on ESPN. What really gets me is when I hear of some of the best players in the world, past world champion(s) going around the corner to get high before a round in the World championships. Maybe these guys aren't that great of players after all, they obviously need thier fix to play well, you know, gain an advantage of the other players what ever that advantage might be. All of that can be condsidered cheating, and is cheating, just like steroids in other pro sports. Sometimes I wonder why the sport hasn't achieved a huge following yet, but then I think about the stuff that has been mentioned here, and I see why. Man, maybe I should have stayed retired, reallizing all this chit pisses me off. Make them play clean and I will and can beat em all!! SEE YA

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)



That sounds more like courtesy...I see that all the time in the Pros: The person who just might be in someone's 'line' will turn their back...moving itself might be a bigger distraction.

....I know it's in the rules one is expected to watch drives, but I'm not sure about subsequently.



Right !!!! I tried to look for specifics , it was kinda vague.



This guy , doesn't Jump Putt !!!!! :eek:
http://www.centxdglove.com/putterman.gif


Neither do you or I Don, when did this jump putting thing start anyway?

You think that those statemnts are bad, I watched 3 pros during a C tier start there own personal driving competition in the middle of a soccer field off to the left of the tee that they were on. Went and said something about what they were doing and they said we are dnf what does it matter and I said what kind of example are you setting for the up and coming players a bad one.

You are probably right. Our friends , are checking to see if we are , indeed , paying attention to their shots, even though we don't see everything , all the time.

Does that fall under courtesy ? :confused:

I sometimes look away. I'm just trying to pay attention to my own shots. Is this wrong or selfish ? ;)



That sounds more like courtesy...I see that all the time in the Pros: The person who just might be in someone's 'line' will turn their back...moving itself might be a bigger distraction.

....I know it's in the rules one is expected to watch drives, but I'm not sure about subsequently.



Right !!!! I tried to look for specifics , it was kinda vague.



This guy , doesn't Jump Putt !!!!! :eek:
http://www.centxdglove.com/putterman.gif


Neither do you or I Don, when did this jump putting thing start anyway?



I'm not really sure exactly when , Jump Putting started.
Since I don't Jump Putt , I don't have exact info.
Maybe someone who Jump Putts , will Jump onto this thread and possibly inform us.

This Lady pedestrian, was walking along with me at La Mirada , from the parking lot , past the tennis courts and we saw some players , Jump Putting at a Major Tournament there.

Nothing bad about La Mirada by the Way , just where this happened. I love La Mirada. It is one of my favorite courses.

She asked me about those guys Jump Putting.
" I said they were practicing for the tournament ".

She then turned and asked me , " Is doing that Legal ?"

I was a bit embarrased because I didn't have an answer , except that , " Only outside 10 meters ( 30 feet ) I said".

She had just seen a guy , Jump Putt , from about 15 feet.

She then asked me , " How do they exactly know where 10 meters ( 30 feet ) is?" " Are there clearly defined markings everywhere?"

Again I was speachless. "Sometimes", I said , " But not always". " Sometimes , there is a 10 meter circle , defining the putting area." " But not everywhere". I didn't know what else to say. I would have liked to have told her more.

She shook her head and walked away.

First time I felt bad at a tournament for something I don't do !!!! :(

Pure silliness.

The only place I might jump after a putt is into a lake after missing

Forget "reporting" to the pdga...td's are fine, and if you want somthing done you do it yourself. Cheaters in disc golf are like cheaters in anything. They are [I'm a potty-mouth!] who cant win. tell them that. i'm sure that will take the wind out of their sails.

The only place I might jump after a putt is into a lake after missing



LOL!

Jump-putts are illegal, call them as stance violations; neither your mommy nor your daddy will call them for you.

Now, falling putts are legal outside 10 meters.

Learn the difference and call'em like you see'em; no one can ask more of you; and only you can ask less of yourself.

Man, maybe I should have stayed retired, reallizing all this chit pisses me off. Make them play clean and I will and can beat em all!! SEE YA



/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Might this mean that BB is "Out of Retirement"?

I might need to change stratagies this year when the "Redwood Empire STRIKES Back" ;)

I say we post a thread specifically for people who are caught cheating, and publicly make it known that these people cheat. It seems that everyone has the same type of story about the same people. If you're like me, you assume everyone's honest, cuz I am. If we make it known to watch certain people, like they have to do at Morley Field, then it won't happen as much.



Hey Tanner , how's it going .....................

Yea , it still happens.

Guys cheat because they cannot beat you straight up !!!!!!
They have to look for other ways to either distract you from your game , ennoy you with their BS or Smoke their sHiit in front of you , every round , all the time with total disregard to even why your there in the first place !!!!! :eek:

Want me to list names ? :eek: :eek:
Probably wouldn't shock you , since you have played here !!!!!!!! Dooooohhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! :o

Some players , just don't give a raTTS aSSs...........
It is tough to play a normal round , probably why I play Out of Town alot !!!! :eek:

I just don't want to be in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time !!!!!
If I have to go to jail , just for socializing with some players , even though I don't participate................that's FCuked Up , ya know !!!!! :eek:


Great response Don. You hit the nail on the head. My exact feelings about some people, and I know many of the ones you are thinking of. And once again, is why the sport will never, thats right, NEVER gain the exsposure that many other sports have. Our image is tarnished by these guys who continue to make every player in the sport look like dope addicts and [I'm a potty-mouth!] HoLeS. really is sad, I mean, ESPN had professional food eating on a couple weeks ago, and we have yet to get on ESPN. What really gets me is when I hear of some of the best players in the world, past world champion(s) going around the corner to get high before a round in the World championships. Maybe these guys aren't that great of players after all, they obviously need thier fix to play well, you know, gain an advantage of the other players what ever that advantage might be. All of that can be condsidered cheating, and is cheating, just like steroids in other pro sports. Sometimes I wonder why the sport hasn't achieved a huge following yet, but then I think about the stuff that has been mentioned here, and I see why. Man, maybe I should have stayed retired, reallizing all this chit pisses me off. Make them play clean and I will and can beat em all!! SEE YA



NorCal has lost some GREAT TD's due to the "Wide Spread partaking" with total disregard of the rules, present company, etc.
5 or 6 years ago we had a MAjor Sponsor pull out because they just happened to drive thru the parking lot at Lunch :p

The TD basically QUIT DiscGolf all together because She did not want her kids involved with such an issue. :mad:

We have really started to crack down (Really, NorCal, I swear) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
If we EVER expect or desire to recieve TRUE Big money sponsorship we need to clean up the sport.
Players need to do what they want AT HOME not at the Course. How can we expect parents to allow their kids to learn a sport that includes a lesson in Drinking & Smoking.
Personal preferences aside ;)

Ok, let's review. For a minimum $50 entry fee, I get to spend my day playing with cheaters, perhaps a criminal or two, and a few all-around losers. If I'm lucky, I might even get to witness some drinking and illegal drug use. Wow, this sounds awesome! Where can I sign up for one of these cool tournaments I hear so much about?

Ok, let's review. For a minimum $50 entry fee, I get to spend my day playing with cheaters, perhaps a criminal or two, and a few all-around losers. If I'm lucky, I might even get to witness some drinking and illegal drug use. Wow, this sounds awesome! Where can I sign up for one of these cool tournaments I hear so much about?



Is that sarcasm I'm detecting? :D

Aren't y'all being a little harsh. It's really not that bad, is it? Sure, we should banish cheating scoundrels, and the drug-use should stay off the course and out of the parking lots, but most people I see at tourneys are pretty good folks.

I agree that they are illegal, but not enough people are calling them because they seem to be rather popular and frequent. Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne.

There is an illegal jump putt on the 2004 Marshall Street video. If you slow the motion way down you can see that the players disc is not released until after his feet leave the ground.

I think at this point the only way to discourage the practice is for TD's to announce at the beginning of the tournament that they are illegal and will be called. We all know that's not going to happen.

There are two sets of problems. One is the blatant cheaters. Screw 'em.. The other are newbies who violate rules and can learn from the others in their group. I have fallen into the latter catagory. Last week I was lining up a putt and casually tossed the disc from the previous throw a few feet towards my bag. A guy who was walking along with us reminded me that this was a violation. I thanked him and will make sure not to do it again. I have played in groups where someone asked the rest of the group for a consensus on whether he was far enough away to make a jump putt. This seems reasonable to me. We all agreed that he was way past 10 meters and could do so. He missed. I played with a guy who banged the chains when he was sitting two feet away. I didn't open my mouth and should have. He was a nice guy and clearly not the type of @$&* to which this thread refers. The next time this happens I will make a polite but direct statement much the same way the guy spoke to me about tossing my disc towards my bag.

We don't want to be like the rules committee geeks we all knew in high school but we still want everybody to play by the same rules.

Aren't y'all being a little harsh. It's really not that bad, is it? Sure, we should banish cheating scoundrels, and the drug-use should stay off the course and out of the parking lots, but most people I see at tourneys are pretty good folks.



Well put.

EVERY game/sport has this issue and it's never going to go away.... so deal, folks.

Cheaters should be banned, forever!

The Wintertime Open used to have Bud Light as a sponsor - even put their oversized huge blow up beer bottle at tourney central. So the sponsor who walked away - it's their loss.

As for the 420, it's a mere traffic ticket in California. If they were smoking crack or something like that, I'd agree it's not good to do that in public. But the other... sheesh, chill people!!! :p :p

I say we post a thread specifically for people who are caught cheating, and publicly make it known that these people cheat. It seems that everyone has the same type of story about the same people. If you're like me, you assume everyone's honest, cuz I am. If we make it known to watch certain people, like they have to do at Morley Field, then it won't happen as much.



Hey Tanner , how's it going .....................

Yea , it still happens.

Guys cheat because they cannot beat you straight up !!!!!!
They have to look for other ways to either distract you from your game , ennoy you with their BS or Smoke their sHiit in front of you , every round , all the time with total disregard to even why your there in the first place !!!!! :eek:

Want me to list names ? :eek: :eek:
Probably wouldn't shock you , since you have played here !!!!!!!! Dooooohhhhhhhhhhh !!!!! :o

Some players , just don't give a raTTS aSSs...........
It is tough to play a normal round , probably why I play Out of Town alot !!!! :eek:

I just don't want to be in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time !!!!!
If I have to go to jail , just for socializing with some players , even though I don't participate................that's FCuked Up , ya know !!!!! :eek:


Great response Don. You hit the nail on the head. My exact feelings about some people, and I know many of the ones you are thinking of. And once again, is why the sport will never, thats right, NEVER gain the exsposure that many other sports have. Our image is tarnished by these guys who continue to make every player in the sport look like dope addicts and [I'm a potty-mouth!] HoLeS. really is sad, I mean, ESPN had professional food eating on a couple weeks ago, and we have yet to get on ESPN. What really gets me is when I hear of some of the best players in the world, past world champion(s) going around the corner to get high before a round in the World championships. Maybe these guys aren't that great of players after all, they obviously need thier fix to play well, you know, gain an advantage of the other players what ever that advantage might be. All of that can be condsidered cheating, and is cheating, just like steroids in other pro sports. Sometimes I wonder why the sport hasn't achieved a huge following yet, but then I think about the stuff that has been mentioned here, and I see why. Man, maybe I should have stayed retired, reallizing all this chit pisses me off. Make them play clean and I will and can beat em all!! SEE YA



NorCal has lost some GREAT TD's due to the "Wide Spread partaking" with total disregard of the rules, present company, etc.
5 or 6 years ago we had a MAjor Sponsor pull out because they just happened to drive thru the parking lot at Lunch :p

The TD basically QUIT DiscGolf all together because She did not want her kids involved with such an issue. :mad:

We have really started to crack down (Really, NorCal, I swear) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
If we EVER expect or desire to recieve TRUE Big money sponsorship we need to clean up the sport.
Players need to do what they want AT HOME not at the Course. How can we expect parents to allow their kids to learn a sport that includes a lesson in Drinking & Smoking.
Personal preferences aside ;)


Thank you Mike. You see it like I see it. I would love to be able to play gain and make real money at. Wouldn't that be great. As it is now and always has been, in order to pay for your exspenses you have to win just about any tourney you play in outside of your home town. Look forward to seeing you again Mike, hopefully at the team tourney.

Frisbee golf will always be a stoner sport. For real

Frisbee golf will always be a stoner sport. For real



<font size=5>Every sport is a stoner sport!!! Earth is a stoner planet!!!</font>

This doesnt mean we have to display that we are or act like a bunch of stoners. There are tons of stoners in every sport but you dont see Rasheed Wallace smokin a blunt on the freethrow line and you dont see Ricky Williams smoking a bowl in the endzone or anything like that. If you want to smoke bowls then go for it just keep it off the course at tournaments and out of the parking lots. Smoke before you arrive and after you leave but dont smoke during events.

Im a drinker but you dont see me out there drinking during my rounds or getting drunk before my rounds. Have a little respect and courtesy that people dont want to see you smoking up on the course or in the parking lot. It gives us a bad rep and hurts potential sponsorship ops. Not to mention is ILLEGAL!!!

I agree that they are illegal, but not enough people are calling them because they seem to be rather popular and frequent. Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne.

There is an illegal jump putt on the 2004 Marshall Street video. If you slow the motion way down you can see that the players disc is not released until after his feet leave the ground.

I think at this point the only way to discourage the practice is for TD's to announce at the beginning of the tournament that they are illegal and will be called. We all know that's not going to happen.



You know why it's not going to happen?? Because jump putts are legal. If you don't like it, you can keep your feet on the ground when you putt outside the circle.. :cool::) :eek:

Frisbee golf will always be a stoner sport. For real



Coming soon to a town near you... the PSDGA!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :cool:

Maybe if you drank you would have won on your home course..... :eek:

This coming from the guy who insinuated on the PDGA message board that he was looking to purchase "any other glass products", after the government took a hard line stance on interstate (i.e. internet) sales of said materials.

Nice Flip Flop kid!!

This coming from the guy who insinuated on the PDGA message board that he was looking to purchase "any other glass products", after the government took a hard line stance on interstate (i.e. internet) sales of said materials.

Nice Flip Flop kid!!



Expect no slack on this merry message board....

They're only legal if you release the disc before you leave the ground. The rules are very clear on this. If you release the disc while you are in the air, your putt is illegal.

I like this statement : " Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne."

:DBefore the Player became Airborne." :D Check it out Dude , He's Flying !!!!!!! :eek: :D

Frisbee golf will always be a stoner sport. For real



:eek: Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne.
:eek: Dude is Flying again !!!!!! :eek:

I like this statement : " Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne."

:DBefore the Player became Airborne." :D Check it out Dude , He's Flying !!!!!!! :eek: :D



Donny, are you in Flag now? If so, is the weather suckin, storm-wise?

First time I ever saw this type of putt was from Gregg Hosfeld. In the current issue of DGWN, Hos was interviewed and if I recall correctly, I think he said he learned it from Sam Ferrans... who was 16 at the time. So the history of this putt dates back to the early-mid 80's.

I agree that they are illegal, but not enough people are calling them because they seem to be rather popular and frequent. Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne.

There is an illegal jump putt on the 2004 Marshall Street video. If you slow the motion way down you can see that the players disc is not released until after his feet leave the ground.

I think at this point the only way to discourage the practice is for TD's to announce at the beginning of the tournament that they are illegal and will be called. We all know that's not going to happen.



You know why it's not going to happen?? Because jump putts are legal. If you don't like it, you can keep your feet on the ground when you putt outside the circle.. :cool::) :eek:



Or does it actually show Real Skill , not to Jump Putt for the cameras and show Professional Balance. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I like this statement : " Perhaps this is because players are given the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not the disc was released before the player became airborne."

:DBefore the Player became Airborne." :D Check it out Dude , He's Flying !!!!!!! :eek: :D



Donny, are you in Flag now? If so, is the weather suckin, storm-wise?

First time I ever saw this type of putt was from Gregg Hosfeld. In the current issue of DGWN, Hos was interviewed and if I recall correctly, I think he said he learned it from Sam Ferrans... who was 16 at the time. So the history of this putt dates back to the early-mid 80's.



Sammy !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: I like the comment about the Guy becoming Airborne , before the Disc !!!!!!!! I don't think he was talking about Jump Putting !!!!!! :eek: :D

No............didn't make it out to Flagstaff. Been hanging out at the beach. Mid 70's , no rain. Awesome.

I'll check scores and see how all are doing !!!!!! ;)

Or does it actually show Real Skill , not to Jump Putt for the cameras and show Professional Balance. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Are Sprinters not Runners because they don't compete in Marathons?

Is the Jumping Putt a crutch? Do people who use Crutches use them due-to real need?

If I 'jump' directly up/down inside the circle, is that a 'falling' putt? ...did this demonstrate balance, the going up/down?

How can you stop the Sun from shining; what makes the World go 'round?

Isn't it actually a "Putt Jump" if done correctly? :)

I know it's not correct to call "it" anything BESIDES "illegal" if it is, therefore by this type of putt, I mean a legal putt FEATURING a jump, or a "jumping putt", yes. The phrase "putt jump", to me, seems to be describing but an part of the jumping putt, that is, the jumping aspect. So no, I prefer my proffered term, if that was the question! ;)

Actually,

While it is hard to know what is happening across the board, at least as far as the Pros are concerned almost all jump putts are legally executed. I looked at footage from Worlds, NTs and USDGC from the last two years (over 50 jump putts) and most were legal (I looked frame by frame). Only one player consistently made illegal jump putts and that player was consistent in moving his back foot past his lead foot before release (I'm amazed no one has called him on it).

If you were inside the circle , when you went up/down , when did you release the disc ? Before you left the ground ?
:confused:

This leaves room for the politicians. ( Read between the lines , inside the lines).

Some Jump Putt correctly , others use it to circumvent the rules. This allows cheating within the rules , without others noticing or reporting violations. Again , an area allowing weakness in our Sport.

Also , when you call attention to the Violator , You become the Bad guy for making a statement.

When I called someone on this Rules Violation , I had my Car window , punched in durring the Lunch break.
How much was that Honest call worth ? $150.00 out of my pocket.
The next Violator will be Violated !!!!!! :mad:

Personal attacks exist. How come SO many Disc Golfers , don't stand up for the Rules ?

Because they don't want a confontation later !!!!!!! :eek:

If you were inside the circle , when you went up/down , when did you release the disc ? Before you left the ground ?
:confused:

This leaves room for the politicians. ( Read between the lines , inside the lines).

Some Jump Putt correctly , others use it to circumvent the rules. This allows cheating within the rules , without others noticing or reporting violations. Again , an area allowing weakness in our Sport.

Also , when you call attention to the Violator , You become the Bad guy for making a statement.

When I called someone on this Rules Violation , I had my Car window , punched in durring the Lunch break.
How much was that Honest call worth ? $150.00 out of my pocket.
The next Violator will be Violated !!!!!! :mad:

Personal attacks exist. How come SO many Disc Golfers , don't stand up for the Rules ?

Because they don't want a confontation later !!!!!!! :eek:



I have no idea, but we sure hide behind the image of being one big happy family, until a rule infraction is called

Sorry to hear that!!! :eek:

STRICTLY addressing those whom jump to circumvent the rules: Obviously this person can't be given the benefit-of-the-doubt. Isn't this a strong argument for a majority of a group/witnesses/Official being able to 'outweigh' the individual? [you may have suggested this before Don; too lazy to go back & check]

...what's the downside of majority 'overrules'...tradition?

STRICTLY addressing those whom jump to circumvent the rules: Obviously this person can't be given the benefit-of-the-doubt. Isn't this a strong argument for a majority of a group/witnesses/Official being able to 'outweigh' the individual? [you may have suggested this before Don; too lazy to go back & check]

...what's the downside of majority 'overrules'...tradition?



Have any of you actually ever seen somebody committing blatant jump out, then putts during play? Someone purposely jumping toward the hole, then putting......cuz I can say I have not. If someone were doing this, it would be obvious, and Im sure they would get called, cuz it would just look stupid. And if someone doesnt call it, then you shouldnt care about it after the fact.

I jump putt constantly. Pretty much every hole. I hate throwing approaches, I'd rather jump putt. A couple times, people tried saying, "thats illegal", blah blah, "you jumped before you let go." But teh people who tried calling me were overruled by others in my group. This most recently happened at midnationals, a guy tried calling me. I then proceeded to jump putt in front of Pete Middlecamp, Chuck Kennedy, and John Houck. A pro and a couple rules guys. And guess what? They thought my jump putt was perfectly fine. And you know what happened after this?? THe guy who tried calling me started jump putting during his last round! He told me he figured out it helps!!

What im trying to say is that it seems to me, the only people who have a problem with jump putting, have a problem with it because either they cant or dont do it, and theyre tired of watching you make 50 footers! :eek: :cool:

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)

I have in the past. Maybe because it costs me more to say something. I stand up for what I believe in. Kinda sad , corruption is allowed to rule. Karma will seek Karma.

I was specifically told to my Face , " Is it worth your Life " !!!!!
:eek:
Some, take things beyond Personal. :(

Makes me, not want to ever play again. Let Hatred Rule.

I was not put on this earth , strickly to judge others.
Besides , I don't have the time or the energy for negative.

I figure , if your 21 , you should be responsible for your own actions. What you do is your choice.

I choose happiness and goodwill toward others.
I really don't care if you shoot up , load up , drink up , fcuk up or whatever, I'll still be cool to all who are cool to me !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

WORD !!!!

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D

How can you stop the Sun from shining; what makes the World go 'round?



Ah, Slo.. ever so funny!!
According to the Bee Gees, "LOVE" makes da world go round. :D:D

Donny, that just plain sux about someone treating you that way!!! You've never been mean to anyone in all the years I've known you and usually have a big ol S _ _ T eatin' grin on your face!! I hope you get to see that Karma in action! Un-freakin-believable!!

Lots of love, man!! ;) ;)

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

:DJump Putting are for those who are afraid of themselves and their game........first and foremost.......GOT IT !!!!!!

I can stand up straight and putt from 80 , punk. :cool:
I know of a guy , Bobby Benner , who can straddle putt from a 100. No weak Jump Putting ever,,,,,EVER.

We don't and won't be make fun of by potential corporate sponsors !!!!!

Jump Putts are really for those who have to !!!!

I have enough strength and style , not to have to bow to weakness......... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newbee's.................hope they learn. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

How can you stop the Sun from shining; what makes the World go 'round?



Ah, Slo.. ever so funny!!
According to the Bee Gees, "LOVE" makes da world go round. :D:D

Donny, that just plain sux about someone treating you that way!!! You've never been mean to anyone in all the years I've known you and usually have a big ol S _ _ T eatin' grin on your face!! I hope you get to see that Karma in action! Un-freakin-believable!!

Lots of love, man!! ;) ;)



Hey Michelle,

Yea , it happened. Now that I'm smiling so much , and get this, folks have said that , I'm laughing at them and making fun of their golf style ? :eek:

I guess I can't Win !!!! Folks are way too serious , ya know.

They just have to , and I mean Just have to , win that dollar !!!!! :D

Once they learn that money is not everything , they just might smile a little bit too !!!!! :D

That's why I like playing with Cool people.
They play normal , not like those with a rectal thermometer !!!!! :D

Opps........sorry for the negative !!!!! :D

It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!!



I could probably shave a couple strokes off a round if I jump putted.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably shave a couple seconds off my 100 meter backstroke if I shaved my legs.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably run a mile in less than 4 min if wore short shorts.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could reply to a post with an actual comment instead of saying something looks g a y.
Nah, I'd sound like a stupid douchebag whos too afraid to do things cuz he might look like a flamer..... :)
Gotta throw a smiley in to so it sounds playful.... :cool:

It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!!



I could probably shave a couple strokes off a round if I jump putted.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably shave a couple seconds off my 100 meter backstroke if I shaved my legs.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably run a mile in less than 4 min if wore short shorts.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could reply to a post with an actual comment instead of saying something looks g a y.
Nah, I'd sound like a stupid douchebag whos too afraid to do things cuz he might look like a flamer..... :)
Gotta throw a smiley in to so it sounds playful.... :cool:



You should get a real job , oh thats right , your still a student.
Get back to school and learn the real world , or get schooled !!!!

And your average under par round is ? Oh , that's right , your an AM.............never mind /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Checked you stats kid. Maybe if I Jump Putt and added an average of 4 strokes Over par to my worst round , we might tie.
But I'd beat you on the CTP and having your mommy pick you up after crying , would not be very professional in front of your buddies. :eek:

Tough way for Kids to learn now a days !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

:DJump Putting are for those who are afraid of themselves and their game........first and foremost.......GOT IT !!!!!!

I can stand up straight and putt from 80 , punk. :cool:
I know of a guy , Bobby Benner , who can straddle putt from a 100. No weak Jump Putting ever,,,,,EVER.

We don't and won't be make fun of by potential corporate sponsors !!!!!

Jump Putts are really for those who have to !!!!

I have enough strength and style , not to have to bow to weakness......... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newbee's.................hope they learn. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Im glad you're so strong! You may have style, I don't know. You sound like the chump with the old junky Harley who thinks he has style. Jump putting is like having a brand new bike with new technology and just smoking the [I'm a potty-mouth!] out of the old, loud piece of junk machines which are too out of date to be salvaged.
Maybe a better analogy is Jump putting is electricity, stand up [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] is candle power......you dont have to use electricity, but its a lot easier to use than candle light......I dont mind if you dont dig the new stuff.
You cant always teach an old dog new tricks right?

It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!!



I could probably shave a couple strokes off a round if I jump putted.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably shave a couple seconds off my 100 meter backstroke if I shaved my legs.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could probably run a mile in less than 4 min if wore short shorts.
Nah, I'd look g a y.
I could reply to a post with an actual comment instead of saying something looks g a y.
Nah, I'd sound like a stupid douchebag whos too afraid to do things cuz he might look like a flamer..... :)
Gotta throw a smiley in to so it sounds playful.... :cool:



You should get a real job , oh thats right , your still a student.
Get back to school and learn the real world , or get schooled !!!!

And your average under par round is ? Oh , that's right , your an AM.............never mind /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Nothin to say.......???
"huh huh, im old and you're young, so there!!"

****, great insight. FYI I'm a 3.8 in my senior year of engineering, I shouldnt have much of a problem in the real world.......

Case closed!!

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

:DJump Putting are for those who are afraid of themselves and their game........first and foremost.......GOT IT !!!!!!

I can stand up straight and putt from 80 , punk. :cool:
I know of a guy , Bobby Benner , who can straddle putt from a 100. No weak Jump Putting ever,,,,,EVER.

We don't and won't be make fun of by potential corporate sponsors !!!!!

Jump Putts are really for those who have to !!!!

I have enough strength and style , not to have to bow to weakness......... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newbee's.................hope they learn. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Im glad you're so strong! You may have style, I don't know. You sound like the chump with the old junky Harley who thinks he has style. Jump putting is like having a brand new bike with new technology and just smoking the [I'm a potty-mouth!] out of the old, loud piece of junk machines which are too out of date to be salvaged.
Maybe a better analogy is Jump putting is electricity, stand up [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] is candle power......you dont have to use electricity, but its a lot easier to use than candle light......I dont mind if you dont dig the new stuff.
You cant always teach an old dog new tricks right?



Your in Iowa , are you not. Try asking Tanner Duncan.
You may not know him personally. Ask him about me.
He know's I don't have to cheat !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Case closed!!


lol

Had to erase this post cuz it was too arrogant even for my tastes...... :cool:

...no dustin, I've never seen a jump>>>putt in competition, and I've been to more-than-several A-Tiers/Supertours/NTs/Majors. But I think it can be close....and darn hard-to-call, at times.

...I'm still 'iffy' on the "overruling majority" bit.

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

:DJump Putting are for those who are afraid of themselves and their game........first and foremost.......GOT IT !!!!!!

I can stand up straight and putt from 80 , punk. :cool:
I know of a guy , Bobby Benner , who can straddle putt from a 100. No weak Jump Putting ever,,,,,EVER.

We don't and won't be make fun of by potential corporate sponsors !!!!!

Jump Putts are really for those who have to !!!!

I have enough strength and style , not to have to bow to weakness......... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newbee's.................hope they learn. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Im glad you're so strong! You may have style, I don't know. You sound like the chump with the old junky Harley who thinks he has style. Jump putting is like having a brand new bike with new technology and just smoking the [I'm a potty-mouth!] out of the old, loud piece of junk machines which are too out of date to be salvaged.
Maybe a better analogy is Jump putting is electricity, stand up [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] is candle power......you dont have to use electricity, but its a lot easier to use than candle light......I dont mind if you dont dig the new stuff.
You cant always teach an old dog new tricks right?



Your in Iowa , are you not. Try asking Tanner Duncan.
You may not know him personally. Ask him about me.
He know's I don't have to cheat !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Listen, buddy, you're too old. It's not cheating. I'm smarter than you. You can't argue with me. You suck...



You maybe an engineering student of proctology , but have you ever won a PDGA title ? In any division. Pro , AM , Women's divisions ? :D

So all you out there that have problems with a jump putt, quit whining, go to your local course, stand 10 meters away and start jump putting. Then you won't have to be sad :( anymore when all your peers are banging 50's, you can step up and blast in some of your own!! :)



It would look pretty funny on America's Home Videos of a Guy with a Pink Poodle Skirt , Jump Putting !!!!!!

Have you ever seen someone on video , Jump Putting.
Maybe they should also wear a Bright Rainbow Shirt for Full announcement !!!!!!! :D



But if that were the case, then you'd have to know that you were getting your ***** kicked by a [I'm a potty-mouth!] guy, and I'm sure you dont want that... :)

:DJump Putting are for those who are afraid of themselves and their game........first and foremost.......GOT IT !!!!!!

I can stand up straight and putt from 80 , punk. :cool:
I know of a guy , Bobby Benner , who can straddle putt from a 100. No weak Jump Putting ever,,,,,EVER.

We don't and won't be make fun of by potential corporate sponsors !!!!!

Jump Putts are really for those who have to !!!!

I have enough strength and style , not to have to bow to weakness......... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Newbee's.................hope they learn. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Im glad you're so strong! You may have style, I don't know. You sound like the chump with the old junky Harley who thinks he has style. Jump putting is like having a brand new bike with new technology and just smoking the [I'm a potty-mouth!] out of the old, loud piece of junk machines which are too out of date to be salvaged.
Maybe a better analogy is Jump putting is electricity, stand up [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] is candle power......you dont have to use electricity, but its a lot easier to use than candle light......I dont mind if you dont dig the new stuff.
You cant always teach an old dog new tricks right?



Your in Iowa , are you not. Try asking Tanner Duncan.
You may not know him personally. Ask him about me.
He know's I don't have to cheat !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Listen, buddy, you're too old. It's not cheating. I'm smarter than you. You can't argue with me. You suck...



Smarter than me...............maybe...........my IQ is 148.
Must be because My Old age huh.
Oh , and yes I can argue with you , but I don't waste my time with folks that don't always have perfect weather. They seem to stay in doors alot , thinking of ways to hurt people of good character , since they have none of their own. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yea , I do suck at times , Dang........my stats are only 968.............what is yours ? :eek:

I'm too easy on folks as I'm really not a Hatefull , Vindictive person.
Too good for that !!!!! :D

If you are ever out this way , you know , America's Finest City, look me up.......................maybe you can show me your skills !!!!!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Have to go now and play in this 70 degree weather !!!!!!! :D

U attacked me first, "punk", remember?? And FYI, I just won a PDGA Major title, if that counts. Probably something you've never done. Not that it matters. I was posting about jump putting, then u decided to call it g a y, which was fine, but then u proceeded to attack me on ur next 2 posts.

Then u try to act like a stand up guy with "good character". I've seen you on these boards being a jack [I'm a potty-mouth!] to others as well, arguing with ur "I'm always right" attitude. You havent even been arguing with me, u just change the subject, ie, its cheating, no it looks g a y, no im better than u, i know this one guy who putts 100 ft. straddle, u havent honestly answered any of my real comments, like that jump putting is definitely not cheating, what this thread is about..You just continue to say, it is cheating, but give no justification for your statements.

Got anything productive to say??
P.S. the weather is fine :)

Hmmmmmmm......thought you were going to quote me again or something !!!!! Relax dude , or maybe you can't.

Your still an Am player ? How come your not at the Worlds , proving your point ? :confused:

U attacked me first, "punk", remember?? And FYI, I just won a PDGA Major title, if that counts. Probably something you've never done. Not that it matters. I was posting about jump putting, then u decided to call it g a y, which was fine, but then u proceeded to attack me on ur next 2 posts.

Then u try to act like a stand up guy with "good character". I've seen you on these boards being a jack [I'm a potty-mouth!] to others as well, arguing with ur "I'm always right" attitude. You havent even been arguing with me, u just change the subject, ie, its cheating, no it looks g a y, no im better than u, i know this one guy who putts 100 ft. straddle, u havent honestly answered any of my real comments, like that jump putting is definitely not cheating, what this thread is about..You just continue to say, it is cheating, but give no justification for your statements.

Got anything productive to say??
P.S. the weather is fine :)



Wow............so much hate :eek:
Must really sUCK being in Iowa !!!!

You do mention [I'm a potty-mouth!] alot ? Hmmmmmmmm.....maybe I touched another nerve.

Jump Putt all you want , since you can't play any other way.
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My comments on Jump Putting is that , If you refer back to some of my posts , is that some Do in fact Jump Putt correctly. Some do not.

Some have to because their skill level has not been fully achieved.
I still see , to this day, Illegal Jump Putting.
Maybe you could post a Jpeg or video of your Jump Putting style for those to evaluate.

I don't know who you are or have seen you play.

U attacked me first, "punk", remember?? And FYI, I just won a PDGA Major title, if that counts. Probably something you've never done. Not that it matters. I was posting about jump putting, then u decided to call it g a y, which was fine, but then u proceeded to attack me on ur next 2 posts.

Then u try to act like a stand up guy with "good character". I've seen you on these boards being a jack [I'm a potty-mouth!] to others as well, arguing with ur "I'm always right" attitude. You havent even been arguing with me, u just change the subject, ie, its cheating, no it looks g a y, no im better than u, i know this one guy who putts 100 ft. straddle, u havent honestly answered any of my real comments, like that jump putting is definitely not cheating, what this thread is about..You just continue to say, it is cheating, but give no justification for your statements.

Got anything productive to say??
P.S. the weather is fine :)



Wow............so much hate :eek:
Must really sUCK being in Iowa !!!!

You do mention [I'm a potty-mouth!] alot ? Hmmmmmmmm.....maybe I touched another nerve.

Jump Putt all you want , since you can't play any other way.
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

My comments on Jump Putting is that , If you refer back to some of my posts , is that some Do in fact Jump Putt correctly. Some do not.

Some have to because their skill level has not been fully achieved.
I still see , to this day, Illegal Jump Putting.
Maybe you could post a Jpeg or video of your Jump Putting style for those to evaluate.

I don't know who you are or have seen you play.



Listen, buddy, you're too old. It's not cheating. I'm smarter than you. You can't argue with me. You suck...

Justification : True , I'm almost 50. Still don't need to Jump Putt.

True : I am usually challenged by Upcoming Am players.
Most Pro players , I have no Issues with. I have their respect.

True : I do have Golf Discs Older than you. Might be worth alot on Ebay.

True : I sometimes change the subject , but don't get upset or Lie.

Which real comments would you like to discuss ?

And to Quote you : "You just continue to say, it is cheating, but give no justification for your statements."

I have seen guys Jump Putting , inside 15 feet !!!!!!
I have seen guys , Jump , before releasing the disc !!!!!!

This is what I mean by Cheating !!!!!

I don't care if you do turn arounds , outside 10 meters ( 30 Feet) if you don't have the reach. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Maybe I'm one of the few exceptions. I believe it is a Skill that needs to be learned and respected.

Most folks That I have seen , have started Jump Putting , without doing it correctly !!!!!!

Do not Jump Putt within 10 meters ( 30 feet).......PERIOD.

Good thing I'm a newbie as I'm still not sure what the heck a "jump putt" is.

Dammn cheaters. Quit cheating. Why are you always cheating? Cheater.

Listen, buddy, you're too old. It's not cheating. I'm smarter than you. You can't argue with me. You suck...

Justification : True , I'm almost 50. Still don't need to Jump Putt.
<font color="red"> Good for you.</font>

True : I am usually challenged by Upcoming Am players.
Most Pro players , I have no Issues with. I have their respect.
<font color="red"> I don't know or respect you. Once again, cool, quit bragging.</font>

True : I do have Golf Discs Older than you. Might be worth alot on Ebay.
<font color="red"> Quit bragging. Go sell them.</font>

True : I sometimes change the subject , but don't get upset or Lie.
<font color="red"> I lied?? lol. Quit changing the subject!! </font>

Which real comments would you like to discuss ?
<font color="red"> The fact that a jump putt is legal.</font>

And to Quote you : "You just continue to say, it is cheating, but give no justification for your statements."

I have seen guys Jump Putting , inside 15 feet !!!!!!
I have seen guys , Jump , before releasing the disc !!!!!!
<font color="red"> Exactly. Jump putting is legal. I said nothing about that. You're really out of touch of old guy. I've seen guys cheat before too. I said JUMP PUTTING is legal. Not jumping inside of 10m or jumping before u release.
</font>

This is what I mean by Cheating !!!!!
<font color="red"> JUMP PUTTING is not cheating. Pay attention when somebody posts.</font>

I don't care if you do turn arounds , outside 10 meters ( 30 Feet) if you don't have the reach.
<font color="red"> Good. BTW 10 m is about 33 ft buddy. SO WATCH IT. </font>

Maybe I'm one of the few exceptions. I believe it is a Skill that needs to be learned and respected.
<font color="red"> You believe so huh? Well, take it somewhere else, I think jump putting is a skill that needs to be learned and respected. Im glad u think otherwise. If you're looking to be respected, take it to another thread, not a cheaters thread. </font>

Most folks That I have seen , have started Jump Putting , without doing it correctly !!!!!!
<font color="red"> U must be seeing things or on crack. I dont think I've ever seen anybody try jump putting and do it incorrectly. Unless they were trying to. </font>

Do not Jump Putt within 10 meters ( 30 feet).......PERIOD.
<font color="red"> NO [I'm a potty-mouth!] buddy. </font>
<font color="red">And i think its funny ur giving me [I'm a potty-mouth!] about winning a title, when i have, and i look at ur record, and u havent won in 4 years. Plus, you're playing masters. Dude, you're 50 yrs old, arguing online with a 21 yr old amateur for a cause that is non existant. Get a life buddy. Obviously you think you deserve respect, lol, well get off it buddy. If you want respect, go play bunco and discuss with your other old chumps. </font>


<font color="red"> Jump putting is perfectly legal. Obviously you're ridiculous scenarios are cheating, bc they arent jump putting. If you think jump putting is not a skill, go discuss it with your fellow professional David Feldberg. Tell him jump putting is cheating and, "he needs to learn and respect your flat footed putts". See what he says. </font>

Good thing I'm a newbie as I'm still not sure what the heck a "jump putt" is.

Dammn cheaters. Quit cheating. Why are you always cheating? Cheater.


lol :cool::)

This guy in Iowa is nothing but a weekend hacker that probrably couldn't make a 10 foot jump putt. You are talking trash to the wrong guy Mr. Iowa. Quickdisc will pound you into the ground. I have known him forever and is one of the best friends I have ever had. He knows the game better than you ever will you hack. By the way, when he mentioned the guy that can straddle putt from 100 feet without jump putting that is me. I can straddle farther than you can probrably throw a 160 gram pro starfire with a turnaround in a **** hurricane. You ever want to lose some serious cash come out here to S.D., CA with a partner and Donny and I will will teach you a few things. I would take Don over anyone any day, anytime !! Why ? Because he is old school dude, something you don't know about, and dont want to. Think before you talk trash to guys like quickdisc who have been in the game since it started, Donny freaking rocks, and knows his stuff unlike you [I'm a potty-mouth!] CLOWN. Later

Only one player consistently made illegal jump putts and that player was consistent in moving his back foot past his lead foot before release (I'm amazed no one has called him on it).



Explain how this is a Violation...?? :confused:

No where in the rule does it say that you cant be beyond your lie. It only states that a "supporting point" may not be ahead of your lie.
I also have watched HOURS of footage, and I am quite sure I know who your refering too. I have not YET seen 1 "Illegal" putt by this person, though when you watch him, you'd swear that EVERY "Jump Putt" he does is illegal.
The fact is, that his plant foot is ALWAYS in place AFTER the disc is released. :p Even though his momentum brings the trail foot out in front of the lie, it is legal as long as the disc is released before that foot comes back in contact with the ground.

It looks Wierd in Slo-Mo but hey, if it works...... ;)

They're only legal if you release the disc before you leave the ground. The rules are very clear on this. If you release the disc while you are in the air, your putt is illegal.

i don't know, but when a guys putt is like questionable, i give it too him...if its really close and i cant tell if he's in the air or not. you cant be a stickler about that....the game is supossed to be fun, keep it that way.

swearing deleted

magilla, you gonna be running matchplay again at navoto?
i need some revenge on tobish.

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This guy in Iowa is nothing but a weekend hacker that probrably couldn't make a 10 foot jump putt. You are talking trash to the wrong guy Mr. Iowa. Quickdisc will pound you into the ground. I have known him forever and is one of the best friends I have ever had. He knows the game better than you ever will you hack. By the way, when he mentioned the guy that can straddle putt from 100 feet without jump putting that is me. I can straddle farther than you can probrably throw a 160 gram pro starfire with a turnaround in a **** hurricane. You ever want to lose some serious cash come out here to S.D., CA with a partner and Donny and I will will teach you a few things. I would take Don over anyone any day, anytime !! Why ? Because he is old school dude, something you don't know about, and dont want to. Think before you talk trash to guys like quickdisc who have been in the game since it started, Donny freaking rocks, and knows his stuff unlike you [I'm a potty-mouth!] CLOWN. Later



Is your name Benner or Benenr?

Other than that confusion, quality rant. I came away from that diatribe really believing that Donny's the Man. You lose some reality points with that "I can straddle putt farther than you can 360 an aerobee in outerspace" stuff, but you make up for it with your passion. 4-stars, baby!

magilla, you gonna be running matchplay again




You bet'cha :)



at navoto?



Most likly NOT /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :confused:


i need some revenge on tobish.



He's moved to Oregon... ;)

This guy in Iowa is nothing but a weekend hacker that probrably couldn't make a 10 foot jump putt. You are talking trash to the wrong guy Mr. Iowa. Quickdisc will pound you into the ground. I have known him forever and is one of the best friends I have ever had. He knows the game better than you ever will you hack. By the way, when he mentioned the guy that can straddle putt from 100 feet without jump putting that is me. I can straddle farther than you can probrably throw a 160 gram pro starfire with a turnaround in a **** hurricane. You ever want to lose some serious cash come out here to S.D., CA with a partner and Donny and I will will teach you a few things. I would take Don over anyone any day, anytime !! Why ? Because he is old school dude, something you don't know about, and dont want to. Think before you talk trash to guys like quickdisc who have been in the game since it started, Donny freaking rocks, and knows his stuff unlike you [I'm a potty-mouth!] CLOWN. Later



Is your name Benner or Benenr?

Other than that confusion, quality rant. I came away from that diatribe really believing that Donny's the Man. You lose some reality points with that "I can straddle putt farther than you can 360 an aerobee in outerspace" stuff, but you make up for it with your passion. 4-stars, baby!


Donny is a great person, and we share the same thoughts on jump putting. Some of the ones I have seen are really questionable, not saying that all are illegal, but questionable.
4-stars, baby! Thanks :)
It's Benner

I can see you want some respect too Bob. Congrats on your 100 ft. straddle. I'm only talking trash back so dont worry about it. I never said I was good. I never said I could pound anyone into the ground. I just said that jump putting is legal, and a skill.
Ur boy was the one talking trash.
Im sure you think ur boy and u know ur stuff, cuz you're always right.
BUT if you think jump putts are "cheating" or "questionable", you obiviously dont know whats up.
I'm sure you might play disc golf better than I. I'm glad your good.

I never said you or your friend weren't good at disc golf. I'm sure you veterans know a thing or two.There's no need to brag or goad me with "u wanna lose some serious cash.."
I'm sure you're great guys.
People respect your putt, someday maybe you can learn to respect ours.
Oh and what you said about striking a nerve quickdisc. You did strike a nerve. It ticks me off when I try to post my experience with jump putting, and you quote me and basically call me g a y for putting that way. I tried to play it off with a joke, but then u proceeded to attack me. I guess if you were looking for a 2 page thread argument, thats what you got.

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Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.

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Only one player consistently made illegal jump putts and that player was consistent in moving his back foot past his lead foot before release (I'm amazed no one has called him on it).



Explain how this is a Violation...?? :confused:

No where in the rule does it say that you cant be beyond your lie. It only states that a "supporting point" may not be ahead of your lie.
I also have watched HOURS of footage, and I am quite sure I know who your refering too. I have not YET seen 1 "Illegal" putt by this person, though when you watch him, you'd swear that EVERY "Jump Putt" he does is illegal.
The fact is, that his plant foot is ALWAYS in place AFTER the disc is released. :p Even though his momentum brings the trail foot out in front of the lie, it is legal as long as the disc is released before that foot comes back in contact with the ground.

It looks Wierd in Slo-Mo but hey, if it works...... ;)



803.03B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted after the disc is released, except when putting within 10 meters.

Now, if you define stepping as making contact with the ground you are correct, if you define stepping as moving your foot past your marker than I am correct and his putts are illegal (his release comes long after his trailing foot has cleared his marker going forward).

I've always interpreted this rule as if you weren't allowed to move your trailing foot past your lead foot because, well, why have a lead foot and a marker if you can play beyond it, but I admit I could be wrong. I'm also pretty sure that I've seen many others utilize this rule in the same fashion that I do, but again, we could be wrong.

I know my trailing foot passes up my plant foot when I am driving. My trailing foot is not on the ground until I have released the disc. ie: when I follow through I finish off the tee box, but my plant foot is behind the tee while I have the disc.

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



I hate to break it to you, but dfee, quickdisc and Bob Benenr were acting incredibly immature and none of them deserve respect for the junk that they posted. Personally, I don't think simply being older or having played a game longer is enough to demand respect. Treating others with respect, however, does deserve to be recognized. I'd rather play with nice, respectful people with bad ratings than judgemental, mean people with good ratings.

For the record, Central Iowa is a great place to live. There are tons of disc golf courses, low crimerates, very good public schools, a low cost of living and lots of great people. Ames has a beautiful campus and is a great school. I don't think you can appreciate just how nice the campus looks without seeing it in all four seasons.

Also, getting good grades in college for engineering doesn't guarantee success. Sure it may help get into grad school but placement rates for engineering grads is high and after a quick look at your resume, most places won't think about your GPA after that. They'll look for (and promote) people who are easy to get along with who won't fly off the handle when someone disagrees with them.

Why do you say "Don't Hate the Player..." if you are going to start hating on someone as nice and as well respected as Donny? He wasn't even smacking with you.

BTW, respect isn't based on player ratings.

Donny was just trying to say he is tired of people using jump putts to circumvent the rules. His frustration is valid. Wanting to change the rule to prevent this is valid.

Matchu!

Because of my interpretation of this rule I looked at video of players driving. In all cases I've seen, players acheive release prior to the trailing foot passing the lead foot and marker. Players plant that lead foot, bring their throwing arm forward, whip, and then during their follow through their trailing foot is pulled around and passes the lead foot. Again, this is from the footage I have, there may be some player out there who pushes through with their trailing foot before release.

Why do you say "Don't Hate the Player..." if you are going to start hating on someone as nice and as well respected as Donny? He wasn't even smacking with you.

BTW, respect isn't based on player ratings.



I never said that it was. He just said he would pound people into the ground and he was a better player because he doesnt have to jump putt. I just said he must not be that great a player because hes only rated 968. I was just defending my fellow jump putters from someone who was being a complete jerk off for no reason other then the fact that he thinks hes great and he doesnt jump putt.

Maybe you need to take a step back and look at what really went on. Your boy Donny flew off the handle about jump putting for no reason at all other then for his own personal ammusement. Then he proceeded to degrade someones personal character and playing style and then even went as far as discriminating against the homosexual community by saying that jump putting is g a y!!! Everything that he and Bob and Dfee said was out of line and just plain stupid. I was just jumping in there to help defend the jump putt becuase I use it on a regular basis and its a great part of my game.

Maybe if this 50 year old would act his age and not like a grade schooler he would get the respect you "think" he deserves.

Hey Bobby B, long time no see. Donny and you are correct, most jump putters are illegal. Now I've seen allot of players who execute it correctly, but there is some question whether ALL are legal. Being old school myself, I don't jump putt, I just throw a easy backhand. I'd prefer if they just make it illegal.

Now before you get a wild hair there disc pimp, my old 983 rated @ss learned how to play disc golf from Donny, he has forgotten more about DG than you and I know combined. I'll see you up at Warwick.

Matt

Ok. I went &amp; did a search on "jump putts" and I don't see why it's not a cut &amp; dry rule.
I take it as you can jump off your plant foot as long as you release the disc before coming down? As long as it's done out of the 10m (33 feet?) range?

This is from a new player, but I think it'd be easier to shoot a 30-50 footer with both feet planted &amp; just throwing. Seems like the extra steps you're taking on a jump would throw off your balance/timing/release/etc. Again, I'm new &amp; don't know squat :D

But I agree the jump putt sounds like a legit shot if done properly.

That doesnt make him right.

See you next friday. Im sure youll see me jump putting all weekend :D

When you jump putt you have to release the disc BEFORE you take off. The disc also must be out of your hand before you move past your mark with either foot.

The problem seems to be that some folks are airborne and then release the disc. It is possible to be both in the air AND past the mark before letting go of the disc.

I jump putt legally. I make a good portion of my 40- to 50-foot jump putts. I wish the PDGA would make the jump putt illegal for the reasons cited previously (ie, hard to call, most do it illegally, not allowed to do it within 10 meters, etc).

And, as always, people ranting about how much money they will make in the future and talking about how good they are (despite what their rating might say) makes me giggle! ;)

You dont walk up to a jump putt. You just stand still like a normal putt and push hard forward with your legs when you putt so that you can use the same are motion you use on a 30 footer but you can accurately putt from 60-80 ft.

Jump putting is perfectly legal these guys are just old school and mad that we jump putt and they dont :D

When you jump putt you have to release the disc BEFORE you take off. <font color="orange"> This is correct. You must have a supporting point in contact with the playing surface within 30 centimeters directly behind your mini. I dont know if you know this but releasing after you leave the gound is counter productive because one you leave the ground you have lost almost all the momentum that you gained from jumping in the first place. </font> The disc also must be out of your hand before you move past your mark with either foot. <font color="orange"> This is completely incorrect. (2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; never says your foot has to be behind the mini it just says it cant be in contact with any object closer to the hole then the rear of your mini. If your right foot is planted behind your mini and your left foot is in front of the mini but off that ground and not touching anything that is perfectly legal. Just like if you have 1 foot on the teepad and the other is off the teepad but in the air thats still a legal tee shot. and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.

B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted
</font>

The problem seems to be that some folks are airborne and then release the disc. <font color="orange"> This does happend but its so close that there is no advantage for the person who is off the ground to the person on the ground. That and like I said before its reall counter productive to release after you have left the ground. </font> It is possible to be both in the air AND past the mark before letting go of the disc. <font color="orange"> I absolutely agree. How that would benefit the player though is a mystery to me. </font>

Jump putts are illegal all of the time. Putt jumps are legal outside of 10m. Get it right! :D

Compromise some. Move it back to 60 feet. That's right. Feet, not meters. Oh wait, for further compromise, it will be 60 feet in the USA, and 20 meters in metric unit locales (I know they are not equivalent).

Really, I don't care much one way or the other about jump putts (I do question the accepted belief that they are so much more effective), but do you really need to do it from 34 feet? Move it back some and for chissakes, stop asking me if you are outside thirty feet (or 32.8 feet for those that actually know the rules). :p

The only way releasing the disc after leaving the ground is not counter productive is if there is a big rock in front of you and you can't turbo putt for [I'm a potty-mouth!]. Too bad jump puts are illegal, guess I'll have to backhand 60 footers now. :(

Jump putts are illegal all of the time. Putt jumps are legal outside of 10m. Get it right! :D



Just because you Putt then Jump doesnt mean its a Putt Jump!!! When you pass out drunk do you call it drunk passed out??? I didnt think so :D

Ill keep jump putting as long as I play:D

Why do you say "Don't Hate the Player..." if you are going to start hating on someone as nice and as well respected as Donny? He wasn't even smacking with you.

BTW, respect isn't based on player ratings.



I never said that it was. He just said he would pound people into the ground and he was a better player because he doesnt have to jump putt. I just said he must not be that great a player because hes only rated 968. I was just defending my fellow jump putters from someone who was being a complete jerk off for no reason other then the fact that he thinks hes great and he doesnt jump putt.

Maybe you need to take a step back and look at what really went on. Your boy Donny flew off the handle about jump putting for no reason at all other then for his own personal ammusement. Then he proceeded to degrade someones personal character and playing style and then even went as far as discriminating against the homosexual community by saying that jump putting is g a y!!! Everything that he and Bob and Dfee said was out of line and just plain stupid. I was just jumping in there to help defend the jump putt becuase I use it on a regular basis and its a great part of my game.

Maybe if this 50 year old would act his age and not like a grade schooler he would get the respect you "think" he deserves.



<h3>Four things you should know about Donny:</h3>
1) NEVER take him seriously when he is talking on the internet. Never ever!

2) Donny is so good at golf that he doesn't care about it. There aren't too many ppl who can achieve this, but it is true. His rating says 960something but if he actually took the game even slightly serious, he would easily be around 1000.

3) Donny has more friends in this game than you have a clue about, and he does deserve a hell of a lot of respect.

4) Donny has over 540 aces, booyah.

4) Donny has over 540 aces, booyah.



Thats INSANE!!!

Hes freakin rated 968 for gods sake. Maybe he could be a little better if he learned to jump putt instead of just make fun of it.

Dont hate the player, Hate the game!!! ;)



All this coming from a guy who says the ratings are worthless, don't measure true ability, blah blah blah...

Hey Bobby B, long time no see. Donny and you are correct, most jump putters are illegal. Now I've seen allot of players who execute it correctly, but there is some question whether ALL are legal. Being old school myself, I don't jump putt, I just throw a easy backhand. I'd prefer if they just make it illegal.

Now before you get a wild hair there disc pimp, my old 983 rated @ss learned how to play disc golf from Donny, he has forgotten more about DG than you and I know combined. I'll see you up at Warwick.

Matt



While you may simply be harrassing Mr. Pimp (Sagan knows he deserves it) I'm not sure your premis is correct that most Jump Putts are illegal.

While watching someone Jump Putt, it is easy to come away with the impression that many are illegal. That is how I felt about most Jump Putts including those made by Pro players. When I went and looked frame by frame at the video I found that most Jump Putts were legal (even those that I clearly thought were illegal when I watched them at full speed).

I hate to admit it but Pimp might be correct. I don't disagree that it is a hard call to make. My guess though, is that the difference between making a legal Jump Putt and in illegal one is microcosmic in terms of advantage. It might event be more difficult to make an illegal Jump Putt than a legal one. Obviously, if you leap into the basket and drop the disc in you have gained an advantage so let me restate that. My guess is that on any jump putt where it is not clear whether the putt was legal or not, there is no true advantage if the putt was illegal.

This guy in Iowa is nothing but a weekend hacker that probrably couldn't make a 10 foot jump putt. You are talking trash to the wrong guy Mr. Iowa. Quickdisc will pound you into the ground. I have known him forever and is one of the best friends I have ever had. He knows the game better than you ever will you hack. By the way, when he mentioned the guy that can straddle putt from 100 feet without jump putting that is me. I can straddle farther than you can probrably throw a 160 gram pro starfire with a turnaround in a **** hurricane. You ever want to lose some serious cash come out here to S.D., CA with a partner and Donny and I will will teach you a few things. I would take Don over anyone any day, anytime !! Why ? Because he is old school dude, something you don't know about, and dont want to. Think before you talk trash to guys like quickdisc who have been in the game since it started, Donny freaking rocks, and knows his stuff unlike you [I'm a potty-mouth!] CLOWN. Later



Well put, Bobby! I agree w/everything you say. If the age thing is his ONLY card to play, well, guess what... one day he'll also be Donny's age so that's not really a slam. This punk has no idea what Donny is all about and it's all good. Too bad there's nothing else to do in Iowa for this punk [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] to do other than to slam people he doesn't even know. Donny can out putt, out drive, out everything over this jerk.

WE LOVE DONNY!! :D:D

4) Donny has over 540 aces, booyah.



Thats INSANE!!!



Yes, it is INSANE, but it is also the truth. Ask anyone that personally knows him, they will validate it.

I think he is up to 543 currently.

Well put, Bobby! I agree w/everything you say. If the age thing is his ONLY card to play, well, guess what... one day he'll also be Donny's age so that's not really a slam. This punk has no idea what Donny is all about and it's all good. Too bad there's nothing else to do in Iowa for this punk [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] to do other than to slam people he doesn't even know. Donny can out putt, out drive, out everything over this jerk.



That doesnt make it ok for both these guys to act like childish Jerk Offs!!! You have to show respect to get respect and thats the bottom line. I dont have a clue who Don is so I cant say that I respect him or not. All I have seen is him be a childish jerk off online but I am a prime example of why you dont judge people from their online writing or character.

But the fact that you guys like him and respect him doesnt make him right or doesnt make it ok that he attacked this kids character and made degraded homosexual people.

Well put, Bobby! I agree w/everything you say. If the age thing is his ONLY card to play, well, guess what... one day he'll also be Donny's age so that's not really a slam. This punk has no idea what Donny is all about and it's all good. Too bad there's nothing else to do in Iowa for this punk [I'm a potty-mouth!] [I'm a potty-mouth!] to do other than to slam people he doesn't even know. Donny can out putt, out drive, out everything over this jerk.



That doesnt make it ok for both these guys to act like childish Jerk Offs!!! You have to show respect to get respect and thats the bottom line. I dont have a clue who Don is so I cant say that I respect him or not. All I have seen is him be a childish jerk off online but I am a prime example of why you dont judge people from their online writing or character.

But the fact that you guys like him and respect him doesnt make him right or doesnt make it ok that he attacked this kids character and made degraded homosexual people.


Call the Whaaambulance !!! The little punk needed a good slamming. If you can't take the heat don't jump in the fire, leave it alone ! I also question a lot of jump putts I have seen, some might have been way to close, some released after going beyond the marker disc. While many of the touring pros are correctly using this style of putting, many others aren't. You said if aren't using the jump putt that you should and stupid not too, you are crazy. Those of us who have the range do not need it. I can straddle putt from over 100 feet, therefore I don't need the jump putt dude. I have been away from the game for about 8 years, so this jump putt stuff is all new, it never existed back in the day when I played. The players back then were just as good as they are now, and never needed to jump ! Tell Steve Valencia he was stupid for not doing it, he is one of the best long range putters ever. What the PDGA needs to do is take the 10 meter rule out of affect and let people do it from everywhere if they need to do it. That will at least eliminate one aspect of having to worry about it being from a legal distance. But for now, people will still continue to use this style of putting incorrectly (inside of the circle, letting the disc go past thier marker, etc). Thats what annoys me about it, and many other people. For those who do it while staying within the rules, I don't think anyone has a problem with it or you.

Now, if you define stepping as making contact with the ground you are correct, if you define stepping as moving your foot past your marker than I am correct...

You're not correct. :o

I can see you want some respect too Bob. Congrats on your 100 ft. straddle. I'm only talking trash back so dont worry about it. I never said I was good. I never said I could pound anyone into the ground. I just said that jump putting is legal, and a skill.
Ur boy was the one talking trash.
Im sure you think ur boy and u know ur stuff, cuz you're always right.
BUT if you think jump putts are "cheating" or "questionable", you obiviously dont know whats up.
I'm sure you might play disc golf better than I. I'm glad your good.

I never said you or your friend weren't good at disc golf. I'm sure you veterans know a thing or two.There's no need to brag or goad me with "u wanna lose some serious cash.."
I'm sure you're great guys.
People respect your putt, someday maybe you can learn to respect ours.
Oh and what you said about striking a nerve quickdisc. You did strike a nerve. It ticks me off when I try to post my experience with jump putting, and you quote me and basically call me g a y for putting that way. I tried to play it off with a joke, but then u proceeded to attack me. I guess if you were looking for a 2 page thread argument, thats what you got.



This is to Quote this guy "Listen, buddy, you're too old. It's not cheating. I'm smarter than you. You can't argue with me. You suck...

I certainly don't suck at Smack Talk !!!!! :eek:

Jump Putts are still g a y !!!!!! :D

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!! :D

Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!!



Why would I be upset??? Because my plastic is consistant and readily available??? :D

Now, if you define stepping as making contact with the ground you are correct, if you define stepping as moving your foot past your marker than I am correct...



The rule says that supporting points need to be behind the lie. A foot that moves forward, but not on the ground is not a supporting point. By taking your logic, I'd be illegal by having my hand forward of the disc.

Jump putting (maybe lunge putting is more descriptive) is just a follow though on a long putt. If you see someone not performing it correctly (though I've not seen one yet), then call it. Otherwise, let us throw how we like.

Now, if you define stepping as making contact with the ground you are correct, if you define stepping as moving your foot past your marker than I am correct...



The rule says that supporting points need to be behind the lie. A foot that moves forward, but not on the ground is not a supporting point. By taking your logic, I'd be illegal by having my hand forward of the disc.

Jump putting (maybe lunge putting is more descriptive) is just a follow though on a long putt. If you see someone not performing it correctly (though I've not seen one yet), then call it. Otherwise, let us throw how we like.



Hmmmmmmmmm......Lunge Putting. I'm OK with that , outside 10 meters. Just don't step on your marker disc :D

I can see you want some respect too Bob. Congrats on your 100 ft. straddle. I'm only talking trash back so dont worry about it. I never said I was good. I never said I could pound anyone into the ground. I just said that jump putting is legal, and a skill.
Ur boy was the one talking trash.
Im sure you think ur boy and u know ur stuff, cuz you're always right.
BUT if you think jump putts are "cheating" or "questionable", you obiviously dont know whats up.
I'm sure you might play disc golf better than I. I'm glad your good.

I never said you or your friend weren't good at disc golf. I'm sure you veterans know a thing or two.There's no need to brag or goad me with "u wanna lose some serious cash.."
I'm sure you're great guys.
People respect your putt, someday maybe you can learn to respect ours.
Oh and what you said about striking a nerve quickdisc. You did strike a nerve. It ticks me off when I try to post my experience with jump putting, and you quote me and basically call me g a y for putting that way. I tried to play it off with a joke, but then u proceeded to attack me. I guess if you were looking for a 2 page thread argument, thats what you got.



Ahhhhhhhh..........go cry to your mommy ,maybe she can buy you a tricycle and an Ice Cream cone and make you feel All better !!! ;)

Hey quick,

Maybe you should chill out there homie. First off no one cares that you dont Jump Putt. I think its hillarious that you dont. Actually I think its stupid and ignorant but hey thats just me. Second off you 968 and you play MASTERS. WHOOOO HOOOO big freakin deal!!! NO ONE CARES!!! Ill come out there and show you how to play some real golf AND how to jump putt!!! Maybe next time you see Stevie Rico or Nate Doss out in Cali you should tell them that jump putting is for weak AS@ panzys and see what they say. Or maybe you should tell "The Champ" Kenny Climo that Jumping is for G a y s or Barry or Feldburg or Avery Jenkins that they are all sissys because they jump putt. **** thats like 6 of the best Open players in the world and they all jump putt. **** it must be for sissy and players who suck. Get a life bro. You are just prolly upset because you CANT jump putt so you make fun of people who can just to make yourself feel better. Just last weekend I hit 4 60+ foot putts jumping in a tourny. I bet if you were there and I was baning those putts in your eye you wouldnt be telling me I was g a y while I was doing it. You would have been crying because you cant do it. So next time your out in MI or while im on tour next year ill stop by and school you in golf and then give you a lesson in jump putting or are you too old school to try something new???

Get a life and stop raggin on the guys that jump putt just because you dont do it.

Dont hate the player, Hate the game!!!

Disc Pimp OUT!!!



Hey Pimp , go back to school and learn how to spell.
Guess I hit another nerve !!!!! :D

Oh , and to quote you.........sounds like you do hate alot : "Dont hate the player, Hate the game!!!
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Sorry Smack Talking , gets under your skin !!!! ;)

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



Just cuz he has been around a long time doesnt mean he can act like a complete JackAS$!!! I dont care how long he has been around the game. If you dont give respect you dont get respect and if he wants to dog on part of my game (and part of the game of my friends and many top Pros) then he can kiss my <font color="orange">[I'm a potty-mouth!]!!!</font> Im not just going to sit here and read his ignorant jaw jacking about how he "thinks" jump putting is <font color="orange">[I'm a potty-mouth!]!!!</font> and for sissys and that he will beat anyone with a jump putt blah blah blah. Hes freakin rated 968 for gods sake. Maybe he could be a little better if he learned to jump putt instead of just make fun of it.

Dont hate the player, Hate the game!!! ;)



Again with the Hate. What's with all these Am newbees.

Again , Mommy , Tricycle , Ice Cream !!!!! :D Have a nice cry !!!! ;)

Again with the Hate. What's with all these Am newbees.

Again , Mommy , Tricycle , Ice Cream !!!!! Have a nice cry !!!!



Ill take your mom out for Ice cream but replace the crying with moaning :eek: :D

Only one player consistently made illegal jump putts and that player was consistent in moving his back foot past his lead foot before release (I'm amazed no one has called him on it).



Explain how this is a Violation...?? :confused:

No where in the rule does it say that you cant be beyond your lie. It only states that a "supporting point" may not be ahead of your lie.
I also have watched HOURS of footage, and I am quite sure I know who your refering too. I have not YET seen 1 "Illegal" putt by this person, though when you watch him, you'd swear that EVERY "Jump Putt" he does is illegal.
The fact is, that his plant foot is ALWAYS in place AFTER the disc is released. :p Even though his momentum brings the trail foot out in front of the lie, it is legal as long as the disc is released before that foot comes back in contact with the ground.

It looks Wierd in Slo-Mo but hey, if it works...... ;)



803.03B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted after the disc is released, except when putting within 10 meters.

Now, if you define stepping as making contact with the ground you are correct, if you define stepping as moving your foot past your marker than I am correct and his putts are illegal (his release comes long after his trailing foot has cleared his marker going forward).

I've always interpreted this rule as if you weren't allowed to move your trailing foot past your lead foot because, well, why have a lead foot and a marker if you can play beyond it, but I admit I could be wrong. I'm also pretty sure that I've seen many others utilize this rule in the same fashion that I do, but again, we could be wrong.



Nice Post Lyle. It is to prevent Cheating. One of the reasons this thread was created.

The other reason is Pot Smoking , doing Lines , Blasts , rails ,rocks...................etc. What would the Sponsors think or even tried to talk to someone Hammered ? :cool:Oh ,,,,Sunglasses...........that's right !!!!!! :D

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



I hate to break it to you, but dfee, quickdisc and Bob Benenr were acting incredibly immature and none of them deserve respect for the junk that they posted. Personally, I don't think simply being older or having played a game longer is enough to demand respect. Treating others with respect, however, does deserve to be recognized. I'd rather play with nice, respectful people with bad ratings than judgemental, mean people with good ratings.

For the record, Central Iowa is a great place to live. There are tons of disc golf courses, low crimerates, very good public schools, a low cost of living and lots of great people. Ames has a beautiful campus and is a great school. I don't think you can appreciate just how nice the campus looks without seeing it in all four seasons.

Also, getting good grades in college for engineering doesn't guarantee success. Sure it may help get into grad school but placement rates for engineering grads is high and after a quick look at your resume, most places won't think about your GPA after that. They'll look for (and promote) people who are easy to get along with who won't fly off the handle when someone disagrees with them.



Ok............Hope his engineering career , doesn't get outsourced to India !!!!! :eek: Thank our government !!!!

I jump putt...are you going to make fun of me too?

Sorry Pimp, but you do have to have a foot planted behind the mark when you let go:

803.03

A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.03 E);

Why do you say "Don't Hate the Player..." if you are going to start hating on someone as nice and as well respected as Donny? He wasn't even smacking with you.

BTW, respect isn't based on player ratings.

Donny was just trying to say he is tired of people using jump putts to circumvent the rules. His frustration is valid. Wanting to change the rule to prevent this is valid.



Thanks Discette. That's all I'm saying. Newbees , watch the Professional Players and try and immulate their styles. Not sure if I spelled that correctly , but I think you understand where I'm going with this.
New players try and be best !!!!!! I'm all for that. I love to encourage players to do their best , just don't cheat at it !!!!

They have to be taught correctly , not just faking it.
This world is too full of negative and more positive , honest play is needed.
I feel it should be honest and direct. This way , when they play Professional Tournaments , there is no question or bugging the TD for things they should already know about !!!!! ;)

Sorry to drag you through this Discette. I know how Ultra demanding , running tournaments can be.

TD's should not have to go through , constant BS.
Focus is lost , energy is lost , and the worst , Desire to run future tournaments is lost !!!!!! :(

I have seen some Quality people , with genuine heart felt love for this Sport , just get burnt out !!!!!! It gets Old !!!!!

Thanks for your time and Love of our Sport.
I will continue to call it as I see it and stand up for what's Right !!!!!

Always ,

Donny Olow :D

I jump two putts in the morning
I jump two putts at night
I jump two putts in the afternoon, it makes my score alright
I jump two putts @ Oak Grove; I jump two putts @ 'Do
I jump two putts before I jump two putts,
...and then I jump two mo'

....I prefer to make-fun of m'self. :o:D

Sorry Pimp, but you do have to have a foot planted behind the mark when you let go:

803.03

A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.03 E);



I never said that you didnt. I actually explained that you did. I just said that your other foot can be in front of your mini as long as it's not touching the ground or another object.

Watch the Professional Players and try and emmulate their styles: Around 'here', I'm thinking Mark Collicott and Ken Jarvis for the straddle, Jerry Davis for the jumping, and Dan Duron for "overall". :cool:

4) Donny has over 540 aces, booyah.



Thats INSANE!!!

aces don't mean jack...unless you were actually trying to hit one...if your trying to park a hole and you ace it, your lucky. 540 huh? he might be in second....

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!! :D

ha, maybe you'd play a little better with a predator in your bag...haha --- compliments of the Z team ---

Can't we all just get along.

I think you young-un's need to learn some manners. Quit flaming Donny. He deserves your respect. He's been around the game long enough to know more than you can imagine. He has seen jump putters come and go. Perhaps he will outlast you all as well.



Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!! :D

ha, maybe you'd play a little better with a predator in your bag...haha --- compliments of the Z team ---



Your going to send me one for Free !!!!!!! Max weight than !!!!! Thanks !!!!!!! Dark Blue or Dark Crystal Z Predator !!!!! :D

I jump putt...are you going to make fun of me too?



Naa...........you probably Jump Putt correctly !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

haha, you really want one? give me your adress.

Again with the Hate. What's with all these Am newbees.

Again , Mommy , Tricycle , Ice Cream !!!!! Have a nice cry !!!!



Ill take your mom out for Ice cream but replace the crying with moaning :eek: :D



Well Pimp..............you can't take my Mom out for Ice Cream , even though she loved it.

She passed away last month. I'm still consoling my Dad. :(
It has been a rough time for him , losing his Wife of 51 years.

Sorry Pimp, but you do have to have a foot planted behind the mark when you let go:

803.03

A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.03 E);



Hmmmmm........very interesting Anita. Thanks for the post ! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

4) Donny has over 540 aces, booyah.



Thats INSANE!!!

aces don't mean jack...unless you were actually trying to hit one...if your trying to park a hole and you ace it, your lucky. 540 huh? he might be in second....



Hey Greg , yea I'm in second. First place , from what I heard is 100 more or so. :D

An Ace is a shot that prevented the disc from going long !!!!!
I would rather have ALL birdies , ya know !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Again with the Hate. What's with all these Am newbees.

Again , Mommy , Tricycle , Ice Cream !!!!! Have a nice cry !!!!



Ill take your mom out for Ice cream but replace the crying with moaning :eek: :D



Well Pimp..............you can't take my Mom out for Ice Cream , even though she loved it.

She passed away last month. I'm still consoling my Dad. :(
It has been a rough time for him , losing his Wife of 51 years.



Oh , sorry I didn't mention that earlier. She was 80 years old.

Hey Greg , yea I'm in second. First place , from what I heard is 100 more or so. :D
An Ace is a shot that prevented the disc from going long !!!!!
I would rather have ALL birdies , ya know !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[/QUOTE] really... birdies are good. but geoff lissaman has a lot, i saw him hit the same hole 2 shots in a row.

Hey Greg , yea I'm in second. First place , from what I heard is 100 more or so. :D
An Ace is a shot that prevented the disc from going long !!!!!
I would rather have ALL birdies , ya know !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

really... birdies are good. but geoff lissaman has a lot, i saw him hit the same hole 2 shots in a row.

[/QUOTE]

Dang Righty Holes !!!!!!!!! Who's that ? :D

Yea , both Johnny and Geoff are cool. Known them for longer than Aviars made. What 20 + years or so.
Both are awesome putters.
Johnny is Lefthanded and Geoff is Righty !!!!! Funny as all get out too !!!!! :D

Hey Bobby B, long time no see. Donny and you are correct, most jump putters are illegal. Now I've seen allot of players who execute it correctly, but there is some question whether ALL are legal. Being old school myself, I don't jump putt, I just throw a easy backhand. I'd prefer if they just make it illegal.

Now before you get a wild hair there disc pimp, my old 983 rated @ss learned how to play disc golf from Donny, he has forgotten more about DG than you and I know combined. I'll see you up at Warwick.

Matt



While you may simply be harrassing Mr. Pimp (Sagan knows he deserves it) I'm not sure your premis is correct that most Jump Putts are illegal.

While watching someone Jump Putt, it is easy to come away with the impression that many are illegal. That is how I felt about most Jump Putts including those made by Pro players. When I went and looked frame by frame at the video I found that most Jump Putts were legal (even those that I clearly thought were illegal when I watched them at full speed).

I hate to admit it but Pimp might be correct. I don't disagree that it is a hard call to make. My guess though, is that the difference between making a legal Jump Putt and in illegal one is microcosmic in terms of advantage. It might event be more difficult to make an illegal Jump Putt than a legal one. Obviously, if you leap into the basket and drop the disc in you have gained an advantage so let me restate that. My guess is that on any jump putt where it is not clear whether the putt was legal or not, there is no true advantage if the putt was illegal.



Very well put. Thanks Lyle.

Hey Bobby B, long time no see. Donny and you are correct, most jump putters are illegal. Now I've seen allot of players who execute it correctly, but there is some question whether ALL are legal. Being old school myself, I don't jump putt, I just throw a easy backhand. I'd prefer if they just make it illegal.

Now before you get a wild hair there disc pimp, my old 983 rated @ss learned how to play disc golf from Donny, he has forgotten more about DG than you and I know combined. I'll see you up at Warwick.

Matt



While you may simply be harrassing Mr. Pimp (Sagan knows he deserves it) I'm not sure your premis is correct that most Jump Putts are illegal.

While watching someone Jump Putt, it is easy to come away with the impression that many are illegal. That is how I felt about most Jump Putts including those made by Pro players. When I went and looked frame by frame at the video I found that most Jump Putts were legal (even those that I clearly thought were illegal when I watched them at full speed).

I hate to admit it but Pimp might be correct. I don't disagree that it is a hard call to make. My guess though, is that the difference between making a legal Jump Putt and in illegal one is microcosmic in terms of advantage. It might event be more difficult to make an illegal Jump Putt than a legal one. Obviously, if you leap into the basket and drop the disc in you have gained an advantage so let me restate that. My guess is that on any jump putt where it is not clear whether the putt was legal or not, there is no true advantage if the putt was illegal.



Very well put. Thanks Lyle.



Opps..............I'd like to respond to your PM as I have been receiving alot.

From: dfee

what u suck at is communication. and u suffer from a thick skull.

user ignored.
please dont reply

Sorry I was not able to respond in time.
Been at four different facilities today.

Hey Bobby B, long time no see. Donny and you are correct, most jump putters are illegal. Now I've seen allot of players who execute it correctly, but there is some question whether ALL are legal. Being old school myself, I don't jump putt, I just throw a easy backhand. I'd prefer if they just make it illegal.

Now before you get a wild hair there disc pimp, my old 983 rated @ss learned how to play disc golf from Donny, he has forgotten more about DG than you and I know combined. I'll see you up at Warwick.

Matt



While you may simply be harrassing Mr. Pimp (Sagan knows he deserves it) I'm not sure your premis is correct that most Jump Putts are illegal.

While watching someone Jump Putt, it is easy to come away with the impression that many are illegal. That is how I felt about most Jump Putts including those made by Pro players. When I went and looked frame by frame at the video I found that most Jump Putts were legal (even those that I clearly thought were illegal when I watched them at full speed).

I hate to admit it but Pimp might be correct. I don't disagree that it is a hard call to make. My guess though, is that the difference between making a legal Jump Putt and in illegal one is microcosmic in terms of advantage. It might event be more difficult to make an illegal Jump Putt than a legal one. Obviously, if you leap into the basket and drop the disc in you have gained an advantage so let me restate that. My guess is that on any jump putt where it is not clear whether the putt was legal or not, there is no true advantage if the putt was illegal.



Very well put. Thanks Lyle.



Opps..............I'd like to respond to your PM as I have been receiving alot.

From: dfee

what u suck at is communication. and u suffer from a thick skull.

user ignored.
please dont reply

Sorry I was not able to respond in time.
Been at four different facilities today.



Hey Donny,
PAB wrote again: Plz dant riply agin.

I've ignored your user.
Spank you.

LMAO! I bet he'd love to spank me! But then my boyfriend would have to put him 6 feet under :D ;)

I see you only choose to post my angry replies after I try to be nice and understanding, only to be treated poorly once again. I tried to do this in a PM. You must love the publicity. Have a nice day.
PS I could play the "post your PM" game too. But, I'm going to have to be done. It's useless trying to converse with someone who's dead set on being a jerk. I don't know how I allowed myself to get into a [I'm a potty-mouth!] fight with u. I could've easily just ignored your first derogatory post. As I now know to do in the future.

Yes, you were the perfect angel, weren't you? Uh-Huh

Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!!



Why would I be upset??? Because my plastic is consistant and readily available??? :D



Which Color :p

Is he the guy that throws Discraft ? I can see why he is so upset !!!!



Why would I be upset??? Because my plastic is consistant and readily available??? :D



Which Color :p



Nice try. So color varies a little. At least the variance is consistent.

Back to the topic: To all that think jump putting is illegal; try and throw a putt while IN THE AIR. It is exceedingly difficult as everything comes from your arms since your legs have nothing to push from, negating any advantadge.

I KNOW all MY jump putts are legal!

Yes, you were the perfect angel, weren't you? Uh-Huh


I dont think you were a perfect angel either. Didnt I just read a thread that said you got into a fight on the disc golf course with another woman?

LMAO! I bet he'd love to spank me! But then my boyfriend would have to put him 6 feet under :D ;)

[/QUOTE]


mmmmm spanking :eek:

I think all of you naughty little children need to be spanked and sent to your rooms for a time out...and I need to have my head examined for even wading through this mess. Play nice boys and girls!

Civility and literacy are in too short a supply here. It is entertaining, but sad.

Civility and literacy are in too short a supply here. It is entertaining, but sad.





Get off your soap box dude

:D

Shut up, Mike! Civility and literacy are overrated when you are an engineering student who will soon be bringing in the big bucks!

...and I'll add a ;), a :p, and a :) so that everyone knows I'm kidding.

That's right! And I don't know where the guy goes to school, but a 3.8 GPA at "State Technical College" is not the same as a 3.8 GPA at, for example, Northwestern Univ. (smart school) or Virginia Tech (BIG engineering school). He didn't mention the school - maybe that's telling.

Okay, now I'll soap off my get box :D

Jump putting is SWEET!!! Everybodys doing it!!! You should too!!! :D:D:D

Yes, you were the perfect angel, weren't you? Uh-Huh


I dont think you were a perfect angel either. Didnt I just read a thread that said you got into a fight on the disc golf course with another woman?



Read it again. Some crazy B swung at me. I walked away... again and again and again. There was no "fight" cuz it takes 2 to do that.

That's right! And I don't know where the guy goes to school, but a 3.8 GPA at "State Technical College" is not the same as a 3.8 GPA at, for example, Northwestern Univ. (smart school) or Virginia Tech (BIG engineering school). He didn't mention the school - maybe that's telling.

Okay, now I'll soap off my get box :D



VTech = "State Technical College"

they obviously don't teach semantics at BIG engineering schools...

Try reading sometime...it is much more fulfilling than insulting others education while making yourself look like a complete id iot. How oxy-moronic of you.

I'll pass on the soap...and the box.
I shower regularly in my home thanks.

He attends Iowa State University.

I did receive this PM :

What am I ? I'm a Professional Disc Golfer and PDGA Tournament Official.

Yes , I have DQ'd players in tournaments for Cheating and trying to Circumvent the rules !!!!!!

Not affraid to make a Call , have a Ball , or play for it All !!!!!

How am I ? I'm doing just fine !!!! :D

From: dfee


I can see now what you are.

Good luck.

Keep up the good work.


Thanks. Do you Fish any ? :D

I like Ocean Fishing...............Put some bait in the water , wait for a bite.................HOOK UP !!!!!!!! :cool:

Hey Captain !!!!!! Do you have the Gaff hook ?

Looks like I have another Big one !!!!!!! :D:http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif

I like Ocean Fishing...............Put some bait in the water , wait for a bite.................HOOK UP !!!!!!!! :cool:

Hey Captain !!!!!! Do you have the Gaff hook ?

Looks like I have another Big one !!!!!!! :D:http://jm.g.free.fr/smileys/halm.gif




I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:

I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:



yeah but this year arizona
WILL TAKE YOU OUT AGAIN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:



yeah but this year arizona
WILL TAKE YOU OUT AGAIN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:



Uh, Excuse me, BUT the only reason Az beat us was on a 6-6 tie that they won on Points. Seeing how we played with 11 instead of 12 and gave up 12 Match points because of a sick player, consider yourself Lucky. :p

Santa Cruz was the ONLY team who actually beat us..... :mad:

This year the "Redwood Empire" WILL Strike Back :D

:D

I see you only choose to post my angry replies after I try to be nice and understanding, only to be treated poorly once again. I tried to do this in a PM. You must love the publicity. Have a nice day.
PS I could play the "post your PM" game too. But, I'm going to have to be done. It's useless trying to converse with someone who's dead set on being a jerk. I don't know how I allowed myself to get into a [I'm a potty-mouth!] fight with u. I could've easily just ignored your first derogatory post. As I now know to do in the future.



Whoa ..........Chill out Bud !!!!!! This is Smack Talk on the thread. Did you really think I was Serious ?
Ask any of the folks here , that know me.............I'm never Serious.............well , maybe Seriously Hillarious at times !!!!!!

That's just because I hang out with some Seriously Cool Disc Golfers in my time.

I could provide you with my list , of some of THE most talented , Hillarious , Funny as sHIITt players , over the last 30 + years , this thread would just about last Forever !!!!!!!

Some of my friends , and YES , they JUMP PUTT very well , in fact , some of the best I have seen , don't usually come online and post. They are Busy practicing and playing for REAL money and cash prizes !!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hope this post , helps identify me , to you , somewhat.

If not and you still wish to ignore , that's cool. That is totally your choice.
No Worries though dude !!!!!

I have ton's of plastic too , if you are ever interested.

Have Fun , Play Well .................wait , that's Dave Devine's Line..............
Shoot well , Play fair and don't wear Underwear.........wait , that's the Dancers line last night !!!!!!

Have a Blast , Shoot your Best and it will only get as serious as you want it to be !!!!!!!!! :D

Later,

I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:



yeah but this year arizona
WILL TAKE YOU OUT AGAIN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:



Uh, Excuse me, BUT the only reason Az beat us was on a 6-6 tie that they won on Points. Seeing how we played with 11 instead of 12 and gave up 12 Match points because of a sick player, consider yourself Lucky. :p

Santa Cruz was the ONLY team who actually beat us..... :mad:

This year the "Redwood Empire" WILL Strike Back :D

:D



Yea !!!!!!! Welcome back Empire !!!!!! Those guys and gals are awesome !!!!!!!!

Hey Mike , Give Annie K a BIG OL Hug for me !!!!!! Congratulate her on the Worlds Victory !!!!!!!

I always knew she was World Champion !!!!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The Don I know is only serious when me mentions it's "all-in-fun" :), and 'smacks' himself more than anyone. :eek: :D

Those AZ guys have Always , ALways been very Cool to me , as well !!!!!!!

Looking forward to seeing all !!!!! :cool:

I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:



yeah but this year arizona
WILL TAKE YOU OUT AGAIN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:



Uh, Excuse me, BUT the only reason Az beat us was on a 6-6 tie that they won on Points. Seeing how we played with 11 instead of 12 and gave up 12 Match points because of a sick player, consider yourself Lucky. :p

Santa Cruz was the ONLY team who actually beat us..... :mad:

This year the "Redwood Empire" WILL Strike Back :D

:D



it's not my fault you can't field a healthy team :D

see you in december mike!!!

I usually wait until a month or so before Team tourney to BAIT my HOOK
:D

I ALWAYS get a BIG BITE /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

Heck last years "Bait" was SOOO GOOD it got posted on the Board.....Right before we KICKED SD'S behind AGAIN :o

:cool:



yeah but this year arizona
WILL TAKE YOU OUT AGAIN!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:



Uh, Excuse me, BUT the only reason Az beat us was on a 6-6 tie that they won on Points. Seeing how we played with 11 instead of 12 and gave up 12 Match points because of a sick player, consider yourself Lucky. :p

Santa Cruz was the ONLY team who actually beat us..... :mad:

This year the "Redwood Empire" WILL Strike Back :D

:D



it's not my fault you can't field a healthy team :D

see you in december mike!!!



They WERE healthy when we got there.. :o

;)
:D

Hmmmm..............The Empire is a pretty sick ***** team !!!!!!
They can crush with just half of their players healthy !!!!!!

All I can say , is for everyone to be prepared. Don't take for granted anyone. Too many sleepers , waiting to strike !!!!!!

I better start playing today. :eek:

they obviously don't teach semantics at BIG engineering schools...

Try reading sometime...it is much more fulfilling than insulting others education while making yourself look like a complete id iot. How oxy-moronic of you.

I'll pass on the soap...and the box.
I shower regularly in my home thanks.



I wouldn't know. Never went to engineering school.

The rest of the post is a mystery and accordingly, I cannot respond. No need to anyway, 'cause I think this is about over for now.

I posted this back on page 1 (before this turned into a jump putt argument :) )


What do you do when the pencil whipping is being done by some of your best friends



I guess I solved this problem myself. We went out yesterday to play..
But I did a little something different since "I" got to keep score.
....Playing through the holes I would "remind" the cheaters..... "ok this is your X th shot?" .....basically letting them know that I WAS watching.... at the end of the hole I didn't even ask what they shot as I already knew. It was amazing that the same course they shot 60's on last week they shot 70's on yesterday :)

Quit cheating cheaters. The Man is watching!!! :D

they obviously don't teach semantics at BIG engineering schools...

Try reading sometime...it is much more fulfilling than insulting others education while making yourself look like a complete id iot. How oxy-moronic of you.

I'll pass on the soap...and the box.
I shower regularly in my home thanks.



I wouldn't know. Never went to engineering school.

The rest of the post is a mystery and accordingly, I cannot respond. No need to anyway, 'cause I think this is about over for now.



Absolutely nothing wrong with engineering.
Being Articulate on the discussion board , however ..................

As the Smack Talk saying goes :

" If you can't take the Heat , Get out of the Kitchen , while the Chef's a Cookin!!!!!!!!"

College kids , who can you trust.....hubba , hubba, hubba.....

It would be interesting to see them , being razzed , while playing ? Smack Talk , a dish served Hot , Thrown around some and hit up side Cold !!!!!! :eek:

I posted this back on page 1 (before this turned into a jump putt argument :) )


What do you do when the pencil whipping is being done by some of your best friends



I guess I solved this problem myself. We went out yesterday to play..
But I did a little something different since "I" got to keep score.
....Playing through the holes I would "remind" the cheaters..... "ok this is your X th shot?" .....basically letting them know that I WAS watching.... at the end of the hole I didn't even ask what they shot as I already knew. It was amazing that the same course they shot 60's on last week they shot 70's on yesterday :)

Quit cheating cheaters. The Man is watching!!! :D



Sad but True , You have to keep a close eye on the cheaters and bring it to their attention , Blind side them , if that's the only way to get the point across !!!!! :D

Some will cheat , because they know they can !!!!!!!! :eek:

Some will Steal , because they know they can !!!!!!!!! :eek:

Some will Lie , because they know they can !!!!!!!!! :eek:

Some will Punk , because they know they can !!!!!!!!! :eek:

Some will sCReW, because they know they can !!!!! :eek:

CHEATING , I MEAN REAL CHEATING !!!!!!!!!!!

It diminishes the integretity of our Sport. :p

Whatever happen to , Play Fair ?

Should I start doing steriods and snaping necks ?
Everyone will either lose or die ? :eek:

How hatefull do things have to get , before someone actually gets seriously hurt ? :(

Whatever happen to , Play Fair ?



Amen to that. I'm new to the sport &amp; have only been playing for about 5-6 months but I see no reason for my friends to cheat when we are only playing casual rounds. If you want to improve your game / score, you have to be honest with yourself on what you are shooting.
I play 100% honest. I'm not quite 100% on understanding some of the lie/stance rules, but we try. Also, if we can throw from an OB shot we don't count it. So it's not like I'm a "rule naz.i" out on the course, but I like to keep it fair.
I guess I should take the role as "scorekeeper" all the time. I did a good job of keeping it fair &amp; was able to sleep better at night ;)

(note: if I was playing tournament rounds and noticed someone cheating I'd surely speak up &amp; loudly)

thought i'd revive this thread...

cheating is a blatant disregard for abiding by the rules, in order to gain advantage. that being said, the line is grey sometimes...

there's a good way to handle it:

USDGC 2000 after just scoring a quint-bogie 10 on the 1/4 mile hole, I was mentally drained, the unforgiving "888" hole was next, when they asked for scores, I quietly said "9". Barry politely walked over to me and said "lets recount those", it ended up being an 11.
I apologized, it was a lazy error (too many ob's). But he was very cool, professional and polite and i've never had a counting problem since.:cool:

and a bad way to handle it:

at the beaver state fling, we were in speed of play mode since there were 2 groups behind us on the tee. I hurried thru, didn't mark my disc when it was under the basket, left it there as i putt out with a different disc and hurried away so they could tee off. nobody said anything in my group, until i did it AGAIN on the very next hole.
i honestly thought I putt out, and 1 group member agreed! but somebody on my card (a respected TD) blew up at me and said I was cheating!! :( He was so angry that i was forced to defend myself and deny the allegation as I thought I just left the disc there, and had putt out. He threatened to storm off the course and not come back the next day (or ever!). I thought it was coming to blows... and i'm a peaceful dude.
He was yelling and screaming and didn't talk to us the rest of the round, making it very difficult to have fun and relax. Not to mention it made the fling TDs upset too.

that could have been handled better.:o

crazily, a few weeks later at Napa, a player came up to me (i'd never met) and said, "I heard you don't like to putt out, i'll be watching you..."

both instances were innocent mistakes, but CASH was on the line. help a player out and use the first example when correcting mistakes.
btw, i give out rulebooks in my players packs.:D

cheers,
brock

Hi Brock,

Sorry to hear about your experience there. It�s unclear to me whether you really violated any rules or not. Did you?

A few general thoughts about such situations:
Sometimes it will get awfully quiet when someone can't admit to breaking a rule when they have. Sportsmanship is not only illustrated in the manner in which rules are enforced but in how one handles a situation when they have in fact broken a rule. I think Barry would tell you that if you ask him.

IMO, a truly professional disc golfer, setting the highest standard of etiquette and sportsmanship, will take great care in knowing the rules well, practice playing by them, observe that others play by them, calling others on violations when they see them, and just as importantly accept them gracefully when called on them themselves.

Personally, I can't understand how anyone can continue competition when they know that they have violated the rules and not called themselves on it. It would eat me up. Even if I discovered it after the round was over. And yes, in 25 years I have called myself many times on rules violations if I know I have broken a rule.

At any rate, all we can do is our part in it, stand firm, but avoid shouting matches (I�ve been in them too through the years and they do no one any good).

Respectfully,
Nick

Can you clarify Brock? Thanks.

Yeah what he said. I am also not seeing where exactly a rule was even broken.

the call against me was for failing to putt out. I think they wanted to give me a 7 for both holes they claimed I didn't putt out on.
I asked my group and 1 agreed with me, 1 didn't see and 2 were against. Plus, the main guy against me asked the group behind us if i had putt out, they said "i didn't see him putt out", and that set him off even more.

the TD asked the group, we had 2 yes 2 no and 1 not sure,
so the TD ruled in my favor. They said the group behind me didn't count in the ruling (no TD or official)

scenario: OK, I agree that I looked guilty and stupid (is that a penalty?), but...

I had left my putter under the basket (#16), and had to run back and get it, nobody mentioned anything! zip, nada
We played the next hole (#17), finished it. When I was up at the following teebox (#18,not even my turn yet), I realized I was missing my putter and had left it AGAIN under the basket (2 holes in a row, doh!). THIS IS WHERE IT GOT UGLY I ran back and got it. I was sure I putt out, but in my rush (speed of play) had left my putter. I asked my group if I had putt out and had 5 different answers. If they had all said that I didn't putt out, then I would have accepted the penalty, no problem. I make mistakes and certainly don't wish enemies.
But could they count the prior hole too since it wasn't called at that time? 7's for only one hole or both?
all that is heresay, the TD made the ruling.

I'm an honest and fair player, and in retrospect, would have rather given up those strokes than have to deal with that guy for 36 more holes. I was on vacation from Maui and was just trying to compete with other golfers than the 10 or so we had on the islands.

although, I have never left a disc under the basket since...

Well according to what you have stated.... You either did hole out or inadvertantly did not hole out. It is up to the majority to decide. It appears that it was a split and benifit of the doubt always goes to the player.

Had the majority ruled that you did not hole out then you would have incurred a 2 stroke penalty on top of your score for each violation. Moot point becasue that was not the case.

Getting a 7 on the holes doesnt even apply in this situation since you weren't a late arrival.

What floors me is :Why didn't atleast SOMEONE have a rulebook, including the TD?

803.13 Holing Out
A. A player who fails to play any hole or fails to hole out on any hole during the round may be disqualified, at the discretion of the director, using the following guidelines:
(1) Holes missed due to late arrival may be scored and penalized according to section 804.02.
(2) Inadvertently failing to hole out (as determined by a majority of the group or an official) shall result in 2 penalty throws being added to the number of throws plus penalty throws already taken on the hole. The hole shall then be considered completed.
(3) Intentionally failing to hole out (emergency, injury, plane flight, etc.) constitutes withdrawal from competition. The player shall be withdrawn from competition and officially listed as �Did Not Finish� on the scorecard and in the event results.

Did you make 5 throws on both of those holes prior to possibly failing to hole out ? If not, scores of 7 would be incorrect. The penalty is throws taken +2 (803.13.2).

There is no penalty for leaving your putter on the ground and putting out with a different disc. If you did not stand behind your marker disc (stance violation) or release the other disc (i.e. "slapped the chains") then there would be a penalty involved.

In reality it is a one stroke penalty. You are supposed to take the score of "number of throws plus 2". Since you didn't putt, one of those "plus 2" throws would be the putt, and the other the penalty. It is kind of weird since other stuff like playing the course wrong or playing the wrong lie are 2 strokes.


Here's the scenario:

Everybody drives. You throw your upshot and it lands right under the basket. Everybody else upshots, but one guy shanks. He hits a miracle shot from the woods for three, and you are so excited that you high five and are talking to him while the other guys putt out. You walk away without putting.

After you throw your next drive, you realize you didn't putt out.

What is your score?

It's number of throws plus 2: you get a 4. You probably said "three" when asked for your score. Don't take a 5 or your scorecard will be incorrect.

Hi Brock,

I'm still not getting what you are saying.

It's a pretty simple question: "Did you hole out on those holes?"

Yes or No.

You don't need two or a majority to make a ruling on it, all we need is your word. If you say you forgot to hole out, regardless of anyone else, then you add 2 throws to your scores for each of those holes. If you didn't forget to hole out then there is no penalty for leaving your disc on the ground under the basket.

Which was it?

This might be more complicated rules wise, I can't tell until we have established whether or not there was an initial violation.

I'm not trying to convict you :D or make you feel bad, I just want to make sure we don't give you a bum ruling.

Thanks Rhett! I admittidly would have scored that wrong if it were me. I would have done what I think alot of others would do and counted the "hole out" shot that was determined, by the majority, to not have taken place.

Hmmm, just when I think I know it all someone comes along and sets me straight :)

If you say you forgot to hole out, regardless of anyone else, then you add 2 throws to your scores for each of those holes.


That is technically incorrect, as anyone who has unintentionally failed to hole out will record a score that includes the non-thrown putt.

"add 2 throws to your scores" can easily be construed to mean "add 2 strokes to the score on your scorecard for those holes", which is wrong. :)

Thanks Rhett! I admittidly would have scored that wrong if it were me. I would have done what I think alot of others would do and counted the "hole out" shot that was determined, by the majority, to not have taken place.

Hmmm, just when I think I know it all someone comes along and sets me straight :)


My wife had this happen to her at Worlds. Same kind of situation where one of the girls told her on the next hole when she was looking for her putter "you left it right under the basket." Say something then, would you!

Anyway, she was asking me about it and we looked it up. I had to read that rule a few times to be sure, because I thought it was "throws plus phantom throw plus two", too, but it isn't!

Nick,

Brock said, "I was sure I holed out". That is enough to call it "Inadvertantly not holing out" if the majority of the group had decided that he did not hole out. So, 2 throws would have been added to the number of throws taken plus any other penalty throws he may have incurred on the hole.

It ended up being a split and the TD gave the benefit of the doubt to him and no penalty was given.

That brings up a rather interesting scenario: On a 1000 foot triple mando hole a player throws way out into the shule on the drive. The rest of the fivesome is hacking their way to the hole and holes out and meets the guy on the next tee. The guy with the score card asks each player for their score.

"Rhett?"
"Ten"
"Ten"
"Pat?"
"14, with 3 circles for 3 above 2 meter penalties"
"14"
and so on until they get to the player that threw off in the shule on the drive. (Can you guess what he's going to say?)
"Oh, man! I forgot to throw again, so I guess my score is the tee shot plus 2, which would make it a 3. Sorry guys..." :D

The key words in the rule are "inadvertent" which gets 2 throws added and "deliberate" which is a DQ.

"14, with 3 circles..."


Three circles would mean it was a "par 17" hole.

Birdie-eagle-??? What would you call that, anyway?

If Brock is saying he left his putter under the basket and holed out with a different disc both times and just forgot his putter because he was trying to play fast then there would be no penalty what so ever. And if you can remember if someone holed out or not in a 5 some in the Open division then NONE of the other members were paying enough attention to ANYTHING to justify calling a penalty on Brock.

Neon said:
It's a pretty simple question: "Did you hole out on those holes?"
Yes or No.

Yes I did hole out, but left my putter on the ground. After I did this twice, they questioned my completion of the hole. I don't think leaving your disc on the ground is a penalty? It was acting like my mini.

thanks for clarifying the "2" stroke penatly rule

Three circles would mean it was a "par 17" hole.


Circles indicate birdies? Where is that in the rules?

It's a California thing. :D:D

Quite often when my putt or approach leaves me within arms reach of the basket, I will putt out with the driver I intend on using on the next hole, if I know the next hole coming up.

I always clearly hole out with the disc leaving my hand and coming to rest in the basket. Now if I left my putter under the basket due to forgetfullness, and someone in my group questioned as to whether or not I holed out, the conversation would go like this.

Him - "Did you even putt out?"
Me - "yes, of course I did, I just left my putter behind, let me go get it."
Him - "But I did not see you hole out."
Me - "Why were you not paying attention? I can say without a doubt if each and every one of you hole out. Thats part of my responsibility as a player and an official, to make sure everyone else plays by the rules."
Him - "Well, I don't know, I don't think you holed out."
Me - "Well what do you other guys think? Were you paying attention?"

For me, I make a concentrated effort to make sure I play by all the rules and that everyone else does too. It is not my fault if someone else is not paying attention to something as important as finishing a hole.

I am glad the TD ruled in your favor.

Circles indicate birdies? Where is that in the rules?


It's called "golf". :)

If you guys would quit playing dinker courses and go somewhere with a few par-4s you could see the value of the circle/square method. :D

It's a California thing. :D:D



Yeah we're crazy like that out here :D
we also pay someone when they get a ace ( hole in one ) ;)

If you guys would quit playing dinker courses and go somewhere with a few par-4s you could see the value of the circle/square method.



As soon as someone comes up with a definition of "par" that we can all agree on, I'll be with you.

Played Circle-R last weekend. Scorecards and tee signs indicate pars between 3 and 5 (and in fact we took penalties of 7, 8 & 8 for missing our first three holes). The results (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5463#Open) indicate par was 54. Which is it?

Not all TDs are up to speed with putting in the course layouts.

These results (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5662) indicate a course with a par of 56. :)