Wow, just noticed Chad Hein took a HUGE lead in the AM points race, that dude plays more tournament golf than me and that's hard to do...good job Chad.

Player ratings suck, atleast the points system does not have major flaws in it...the only thing us AMS can really brag about is where we finish among our peers; which equals out to points rankings.

Except that points only rewards people who play all the time, whereas ratings are averages of skill.

If you play more A Tiers you're going to have more points. He just played 3 of 'em.

and there's still 3 tournaments that aren't on there, one of them being Minnesota Majestic (which he won)

Haha... look at the first 3 guys to respond! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yeah and If you don't play BG you don't have a chance :oAlso it causes people who play majors instead os a teirs on the same weekend to be punished. :confused:

I still have 4 tournaments that need to be updated. 2 B tiers and 2 C tiers. My lowest finish was 7th out of all of them.

lol!!

Were just one big happy family :D All my "A" Tiers are logged, mostly B tiers left on my schedule.

Yes one happy family... we should make this a top am discussion thread only. :DCan't wait to see you guys at worlds!

I have only played 11 tournaments and I am top 5. I plan on playing about 3 or 4 more A Tiers before the season is over as well. Since I cant go to worlds Ill have to settle for winning points total instead :D Eddie you got a place for me to stay when I come play the A Tiers our your way???

Conners I think I may come play the A Tier by you as well. You got some floor space for me :D

Kozak I met some of the NC guys this weekend /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Kozak got punked

I have only played 11 tournaments and I am top 5. I plan on playing about 3 or 4 more A Tiers before the season is over as well. Since I cant go to worlds Ill have to settle for winning points total instead :D Eddie you got a place for me to stay when I come play the A Tiers our your way???

Conners I think I may come play the A Tier by you as well. You got some floor space for me :D



LOL... theres the other guy we been waiting for! Less than 10 mins after the thread was made!

I have only played 11 tournaments and I am top 5. I plan on playing about 3 or 4 more A Tiers before the season is over as well. Since I cant go to worlds Ill have to settle for winning points total instead :D Eddie you got a place for me to stay when I come play the A Tiers our your way???

Conners I think I may come play the A Tier by you as well. You got some floor space for me :D



Pimp, if you show up in Tulsa for the "OO" you can sleep in my guest bedroom bro, no prob.

Hey Millz bring it!!! :cool:

Anybody who rolls out to SD has a place to stay :cool:

Eddie you got a place for me to stay when I come play the A Tiers our your way???




Always... I still owe you from Am Nationals.

LOL... theres the other guy we been waiting for! Less than 10 mins after the thread was made!



Haha. You know it!!! and all you haters have played atleast 3 more tournaments then me :DIll prolly be down for Fall Finale and Sneaky Pete :D



Pimp, if you show up in Tulsa for the "OO" you can sleep in my guest bedroom bro, no prob.



Looks like all I have to do is find a cheap way out there then :D

I have only played 11 tournaments and I am top 5. I plan on playing about 3 or 4 more A Tiers before the season is over as well. Since I cant go to worlds Ill have to settle for winning points total instead :D Eddie you got a place for me to stay when I come play the A Tiers our your way???

Conners I think I may come play the A Tier by you as well. You got some floor space for me :D



If I would've gone to BG I would be #2 but I am way down instead :D

Yes one happy family... we should make this a top am discussion thread only. :DCan't wait to see you guys at worlds!



Wish I could make it Eddie...I hope all you guys kill the courses up there.

I can think of a bunch of people who have more points than me but haven't beat me this year.

How can points then be a true indication of who's the best player? Let's exclude BG and their might be minimal merit to this argument. Otherwise, we are still JVers.

If I would've gone to BG I would be #2 but I am way down instead



What place are you putting yourself in at BG???

I can think of a bunch of people who have more points than me but haven't beat me this year.

How can points then be a true indication of who's the best player? Let's exclude BG and their might be minimal merit to this argument. Otherwise, we are still JVers.



Atleast we can control the outcome of how many points we get versus trusting a "pro" to shoot good or bad in order to determine your player rating...big flaws in the rating system but it's the closest thing we have to a handicap.

:eek: I saw Conners once, man he's SEXYY!!! :eek:

If I would've gone to BG I would be #2 but I am way down instead



What place are you putting yourself in at BG???



10th because that is about what I consider a given if I had attended.

Matt,

Your a punk :DThat's a given - lol - That's good.

:eek: I saw Conners once, man he's SEXYY!!! :eek:



I've been called worse :D

I've been called worse :D



You and me both :D

I have 3 tournaments that have not posted...one B,C and D tier.

Yeah, if you miss any A tiers near you and don't go to BG, its a joke. I've not placed lower than 5th all year (Mostly B tiers, and GDChallange), and I've won 4 tournies (2 B and 2 C) but I am no where close to winning even my own state's point race b/c we have a few guys that go everywhere...I place better, but they play more...in conclusion, as somewhat flawed as ratings are, they are a better indicator than points!

It's not a joke at all. It is just a different game with different strategies.

Skip Bowling Green or tank there and you can forget about it. If you want to win Am Masters, you better not actually play Am Masters! That is the only reason why I beat Framo and Rat Man. They were playing for easy wins and I was playing for an obelisk.

And don't play any fun events with great payouts for ams. Play all the A-tiers with the huge multiplier and no lower divisions [and similar B-tiers if they do that where you live] so that you can get points off all the ints and recs who have to play up to play the Big Event in their neck of the woods. It will seem like great payouts if you're an advanced player because you have so many playing up and donating to your payout. If you are an am woman contender you might want to re-think playing in the women's divisions at tournaments that have a decent men's rec division.

I don't regret the money I spent to win an obelisk. It was fun. I used to have two trophies that were really special and after last year I now will have four.

Haha. You know it!!! and all you haters have played atleast 3 more tournaments then me :DIll prolly be down for Fall Finale and Sneaky Pete :D





If I'm more than 1000 points out of the Am points race after Fall Finale I will probably turn pro.

Yeah, if you miss any A tiers near you and don't go to BG, its a joke. I've not placed lower than 5th all year (Mostly B tiers, and GDChallange), and I've won 4 tournies (2 B and 2 C) but I am no where close to winning even my own state's point race b/c we have a few guys that go everywhere...I place better, but they play more...in conclusion, as somewhat flawed as ratings are, they are a better indicator than points!



If you are not willing to make the sacrifice to play in "certain" tournaments than you don't have a chance to score big points. That's great you do good in the tournaments you compete in, but ratings are not a true definition of a persons skill....nice try on justifying your low point total though :D

Mullet

Yeah, if you miss any A tiers near you and don't go to BG, its a joke. I've not placed lower than 5th all year (Mostly B tiers, and GDChallange), and I've won 4 tournies (2 B and 2 C) but I am no where close to winning even my own state's point race b/c we have a few guys that go everywhere...I place better, but they play more...in conclusion, as somewhat flawed as ratings are, they are a better indicator than points!



If you are not willing to make the sacrifice to play in "certain" tournaments than you don't have a chance to score big points. That's great you do good in the tournaments you compete in, but ratings are not a true definition of a persons skill....nice try on justifying your low point total though :D


Ratings are a better definition of your game than points are. Pretty simple.

Thanks Aaron.

No prob. You pretty much explained it perfectly in your post. There are lots of really good players that dont go to EVERY SINGLE A-tier event and are better than the ones that win them. (Duden, Ernie...)

Good luck in the points race guys...I hope you find more "A" Tiers to compete in.

If your talkin to me, i dont care about a single point ive earned so far, which explains why I attended the MidNationals Major to play in a fun tournament on the sweetest courses in the US, not the BHMO for points...

Yeah, I was talking to you guy.

Uhhhhh let's see Mid Natties or Hambrick???? Hmmmmmmm....still thinking...................good call........................you are right about points they do not matter, i guess that's why the PDGA keeps track of them, genius. :D

You do not get points at a major..did u know that?

I challenge everyone to do what I did...

Finish 4th or higher in Ntl. points.

Only play 3 A Tiers, and one of them can't be Bowling Green

I challenge everyone to do what I did...

Finish 4th or higher in Ntl. points.

Only play 3 A Tiers, and one of them can't be Bowling Green



No one cares MTL. Go away this is our thread :D

No prob. You pretty much explained it perfectly in your post. There are lots of really good players that dont go to EVERY SINGLE A-tier event and are better than the ones that win them. (Duden, Ernie...)



What about the good players who do attend all the big events?

I challenge everyone to do what I did...

Finish 4th or higher in Ntl. points.

Only play 3 A Tiers, and one of them can't be Bowling Green



No one cares MTL. Go away this is our thread :D



I was simply providing persepective back into my days as an amatuer....:D

besides, you were one of those guys who beat me, so shut it!

What about the good players who do attend all the big events?



Yeah what about me??? I mean them :D


besides, you were one of those guys who beat me, so shut it!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :D

You do not get points at a major..did u know that?



You don't know what your'e talking about, I got a ton of points last year at worlds!!

You don't know what your'e talking about, I got a ton of points last year at worlds!!



Maybe style points but you didnt get any PDGA points :D

I know man, just being sarcastic to Flyin high guy.

I did not get the sarcasm.

No prob. You pretty much explained it perfectly in your post. There are lots of really good players that dont go to EVERY SINGLE A-tier event and are better than the ones that win them. (Duden, Ernie...)



What about the good players who do attend all the big events?


Sorry Mike, im not raggin on you guys or anything, i was just tryin to prove Chris's point, you dont need to go to the A-tiers and get points to prove your worth, there are lots that dont attend these events and are just as good as the good players that do attend them.

Mike Robinson is a bad Disc Golfer.

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No prob. You pretty much explained it perfectly in your post. There are lots of really good players that dont go to EVERY SINGLE A-tier event and are better than the ones that win them. (Duden, Ernie...)



That's cool Aaron, I just wasn't sure where you were going with that.



Mike Robinson is a bad.....



Shut yo' mouth...
:D

I challenge everyone to do what I did...

Finish 4th or higher in Ntl. points.

Only play 3 A Tiers, and one of them can't be Bowling Green



I'll take your challenge but I can't do it because I won't finish out the year in AM :confused:

you dont need to go to the A-tiers and get points to prove your worth, there are lots that dont attend these events and are just as good as the good players that do attend them.



That is a brilliant analogy...I had no idea there were good players NOT competing in big events, and these good players are just as good as the good players competing in the event....and to think that all this time I thought ALL the good players were at ALL the big events, thanks for clarifying that...you are truly an educated man.

you dont need to go to the A-tiers and get points to prove your worth, there are lots that dont attend these events and are just as good as the good players that do attend them.



That is a brilliant analogy...I had no idea there were good players NOT competing in big events, and these good players are just as good as the good players competing in the event....and to think that all this time I thought ALL the good players were at ALL the big events, thanks for clarifying that...you are truly an educated man.



Two of the coolest guys I've played with turn bad when they face each other. :D:D

You do not get points at a major..did u know that?



You don't know what your'e talking about, I got a ton of points last year at worlds!!



If they gave out points at worlds, not only would I have gotten your 10 dollars still, but I woulda gotten more points than you!

The Fly Guy is a know it all...

you dont need to go to the A-tiers and get points to prove your worth, there are lots that dont attend these events and are just as good as the good players that do attend them.



That is a brilliant analogy...I had no idea there were good players NOT competing in big events, and these good players are just as good as the good players competing in the event....and to think that all this time I thought ALL the good players were at ALL the big events, thanks for clarifying that...you are truly an educated man.


And now im truly lost...

Go work on your rating or something.

Trust me, im trying.

If they gave out points at worlds, not only would I have gotten your 10 dollars still, but I woulda gotten more points than you!



I still beat both of you at worlds and MTL didnt you pay ME with Conners 10 bucks??? :D

Man that's sad, Steve has seen my greenbacks and we have never even played golf or made a bet together, lol!!

Trust me, im trying.



My goal WAS to hit 950 this year...I'll probably end up around 945 depending on how many poor rounds get dropped as always.

If you live in northern Indiana, northern Illinois or southern Michigan, here is a "secret A tier" for you advanced points mongers. It has an A-tier entry fee, A-tier player pack and four A-tier courses. You'll play all weekend and drive 600 miles round trip like any other A-tier:

Play the Forest City Frenzy on Saturday and the Gale Vaughn Memorial on Sunday!

My goal WAS to hit 950 this year...I'll probably end up around 945 depending on how many poor rounds get dropped as always.



My goal was to hit 970 by the end of the year. Who knows if thats going to happen though. Im thinking mid 950s or 960 for this next update though because I have alot of CRAP rounds from over 12 months ago that will be going BYE BYE!!! Then next update I will have DGLO where I averaged 995. I still have 12 tournaments left to play so if I play like I have been lately (except at Brent Hambrick) I think I can hit 970 before I go pro :D

I thought that they were NOT dropping rounds?

How do you figure out what rounds will be dropped?

Are they even dropping any? I heard all rounds will be factored.

Not all rounds will be factored. If your round is a certain number of points below your rating then it will be dropped. Standard deviation of 2.5 I think Chuck said. The ammount of points will very from golfer to golfer but more consistant golfers will have less rounds dropped then streaky golfers from what I understand. I think my 860 will be dropped since it is 80 points below my current rating and hopefully around 100 points lower then what I want my new rating to be :D

How do you figure the standard deviation?

So time has no factor in the rounds that will be dropped? The lowest rounds are dropped off or not applicable to this coming ratings update? How many rounds are dropped off, all that are so far below your rating?

Easiest way is to use a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (it is a somewhat complicated formula to compute long hand). Here is my take on how things are computed:

Enter all your round ratings to be averaged in a column (I will use 30 scores for this example).
to figure your raw average, in a cell off to the side type: =average(a1:a30)
to calculate standard deviation, in another cell off to the side type: =stdev(a1:a30)

To figure out which rounds will get dropped, type this:
= average(a1:a30) - 2.5 * stdev(a1:a30)

Then manually delete any scores in the list that fall below the result just calculated.
Then duplicate the most recent 8 ratings.
Type: = average (a1:a38)
The resulting number in the cell where you calculated the raw average will now show you your rating (or at least extremely close to it).

Sounds like it would work if I could understand it. :DI'm so retarded on computers I've got a helmet on as I type. On a bus i'd be a window licker, I guess that makes me a screen licker here. :D

:D:D:eek: :eek:

That's why I think it is worth the few $$ I pay the PDGA to have them do this for me every 2 months!

exactly! So, if I'm rated 949, will all my sub 900 rounds be eliminated?

That's the proper Excel technique. However, you should operate as if none of your rounds will be dropped since 2.5 SD means only 1 in 50 rounds will be dropped. Being more consistent doesn't necessarily mean fewer rounds will be dropped. It just means your range of rated rounds will be narrower and your SD smaller than others (don't want to spread that around :D).

To get the correct set of data, you need to include all rounds back to 12 months before the date of your most recent round included in the ratings. We now only go back farther than 12 months if you have fewer than 8 rounds in the last 12 months.

Easiest way is to use a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (it is a somewhat complicated formula to compute long hand). Here is my take on how things are computed:

Enter all your round ratings to be averaged in a column (I will use 30 scores for this example).
to figure your raw average, in a cell off to the side type: =average(a1:a30)
to calculate standard deviation, in another cell off to the side type: =stdev(a1:a30)

To figure out which rounds will get dropped, type this:
= average(a1:a30) - 2.5 * stdev(a1:a30)

Then manually delete any scores in the list that fall below the result just calculated.
Then duplicate the most recent 8 ratings.
Type: = average (a1:a38)
The resulting number in the cell where you calculated the raw average will now show you your rating (or at least extremely close to it).


Thanks, I found a website that calculates it for you too- Standard Dev. Calculator (http://www.physics.csbsju.edu/stats/cstats_NROW_form.html)

Mean = 948.

Standard Deviation = 27.7


So it looks like 890 and below would be dropped for me. Which means no rounds will be dropped.

Mp3 thanks for the formula...I used yours and none of my rounds will be dropped but my player rating will...7 points to 952 :mad:

What many people will find is that by this Standard Deviation formula, not many rounds will be dropped at all.
What I find is that the 8 recent rounds being double weighted pretty much balances out the old un-dropped crappy ratings. It appears we are running around in circles trying to find a good ratings formula.

I think that we should consider double weighting all the tournament rounds since the past update, and dropping 10% or 15% from the "old" rounds but keeping all of the recent rounds. That way you get a chance to drop some of the dead weight from 10-12 months ago, but still take advantage of recent play. I believe this would cause I more accurate player rating.

Maybe only applying the Standard Deviation principle in the most recent double weighted rounds.

I have figured out my rating using the past ratings criteria, and have come up with a rating anywhere from 935 (using the old un-weighted way) and 950 using last updates system.

The new SD 2.5 system fell along the same lines as the old un-weighted system.

I think across the board, the ratings will go down this update.

All of this running around is an attempt to reduce the issue of lower rated players generating lower SSA values than higher rated players on the same course. More higher rated players had a full 15% dropped than lower rated players in the earlier system because we didn't start dropping rounds until propagators had 11 rounds. That and the fact that lower rated propagators were more likely under rated due to the time lag in the ratings updating lead to the perceived SSA differential. Double weighting and using fewer older rounds will help reduce time lag.

Those doing the calculations for their rounds have to take into account the SSA adjustment for round ratings in 2005. If you are using unofficial round ratings in your estimates, you should probably add about 8 points to those rounds because the online calculator hasn't been updated with the new formulas yet. You will see higher rated rounds this year with the new system which will offset the loss of points due to using almost all of your rounds.

Sounds like it would work if I could understand it. :DI'm so retarded on computers I've got a helmet on as I type. On a bus i'd be a window licker, I guess that makes me a screen licker here. :D



This was VERY funny! THANKS!! :D :D
Steve

Easiest way is to use a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (it is a somewhat complicated formula to compute long hand). Here is my take on how things are computed:

Enter all your round ratings to be averaged in a column (I will use 30 scores for this example).
to figure your raw average, in a cell off to the side type: =average(a1:a30)
to calculate standard deviation, in another cell off to the side type: =stdev(a1:a30)

To figure out which rounds will get dropped, type this:
= average(a1:a30) - 2.5 * stdev(a1:a30)

Then manually delete any scores in the list that fall below the result just calculated.
Then duplicate the most recent 8 ratings.
Type: = average (a1:a38)
The resulting number in the cell where you calculated the raw average will now show you your rating (or at least extremely close to it).




Geek.

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Thats mean!

Thanks for the clarification. Just a few more days till we find out.

Easiest way is to use a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet (it is a somewhat complicated formula to compute long hand). Here is my take on how things are computed:

Enter all your round ratings to be averaged in a column (I will use 30 scores for this example).
to figure your raw average, in a cell off to the side type: =average(a1:a30)
to calculate standard deviation, in another cell off to the side type: =stdev(a1:a30)

To figure out which rounds will get dropped, type this:
= average(a1:a30) - 2.5 * stdev(a1:a30)

Then manually delete any scores in the list that fall below the result just calculated.
Then duplicate the most recent 8 ratings.
Type: = average (a1:a38)
The resulting number in the cell where you calculated the raw average will now show you your rating (or at least extremely close to it).



Yeah but what if I entered my rounds in column b? :D

Points are easy to understand...you get points for the people you BEAT, it's that simple...I'm glad the PDGA is keeping track of them so I can beat atleast ONE person from Iowa :o

Ratings SUCK but it's better than nothing.

Yeah, if you miss any A tiers near you and don't go to BG, its a joke. I've not placed lower than 5th all year (Mostly B tiers, and GDChallange), and I've won 4 tournies (2 B and 2 C) but I am no where close to winning even my own state's point race b/c we have a few guys that go everywhere...I place better, but they play more...in conclusion, as somewhat flawed as ratings are, they are a better indicator than points!



If you are not willing to make the sacrifice to play in "certain" tournaments than you don't have a chance to score big points. That's great you do good in the tournaments you compete in, but ratings are not a true definition of a persons skill....nice try on justifying your low point total though :D


Ratings are a better definition of your game than points are. Pretty simple.

Post count is probably the best definition but we don't have that anymore.

Post counts? I'm sure I would be ahead of "fly guy" in post counts too...

:D

Post counts? I'm sure I would be ahead of "fly guy" in post counts too...




Yeah but I got you. :o:o

I do remember your post count being HUGE...Yo Matt, you making the Oklahoma Open??

Trust me, im trying.



Boy, the rating system is flawless...so much easier to understand than the points system; unless you are the fly guy.

Looks like a lot of us top ams went down in ratings a few points?? :confused:

Trust me, im trying.



Boy, the rating system is flawless...so much easier to understand than the points system; unless you are the fly guy.


Am I the fly guy or somethin? Are you just angry because your rated below me? Because youve never shot over a 987 round? Because your going to get beat by two Iowans in points? Or because you didnt know that you dont receive points in majors?

Am I the fly guy or somethin? Are you just angry because your rated below me? Because youve never shot over a 987 round? Because your going to get beat by two Iowans in points? Or because you didnt know that you dont receive points in majors?



Funny how those sweet Iowans had to play 3 and 5 more tournaments then me and Conners did to get that many points. Its also funny how I have SPANKED them at 3 out of the 4 A Tier we have all played and the one I didnt I missed 15 20 footers and had a 2 stroke penalty for playing the course out of order. The one of the A Tiers your Iowan boy won was an A Tier I didnt get to attend becaues my travel plans got messed up. Dont worry though. I will still win points :D

I think ill practice my putting tonight on the 2 Chainstars I have in my basement ;) :D

Dont hate the player hate the game :D

You are a God.

If you would have shown up to Des Moines, i would have put the spanking on you too. As for the other two, you beat me, good job...you still aren't getting the points though. :D

If you would have shown up to Des Moines, i would have put the spanking on you too. As for the other two, you beat me, good job...you still aren't getting the points though.



Why do you say im not going to get points??? I still have about 5 A Tiers that I plan on playing before the season is over and I still have some B Tier and C Tiers as well :D

Planning on attending and playing the A tiers are two different things. And it's not like we are going to stop playing tournaments so you can catch up.

You wont have to. Ill beat you at all the events we play that are the same so I will gain ground there and I will be playing more A Tiers and will gain round there :D Then I will go Pro in 06 and start playing for cash while you guys are still down in AM playing for points and plastic :D

You coming to Gale Vaughn sunday???

I'm not sure how many more events we'll both be at other than AM Nationals. If you're not going pro till '06, I'll see you in the pro ranks when you get there. :)

As for Gale Vaughn, I wish i could, I only have enough $$$ for one tournament this weekend.

I'm not sure how many more events we'll both be at other than AM Nationals. If you're not going pro till '06, I'll see you in the pro ranks when you get there.



Then It looks like I will be winning points this year :D

hahahaha! we'll see at the end of the year! :)

Plus the PDGA says im only a 946 rated player. I want to wait untill my rating goes up a little more :D

People who care about points need a life. :D

Dont tell Fred McGriff that. :D

Dont tell Fred McGriff that. :D



Or Mike Jones. :p

Who?? :D

Am I the fly guy or somethin? Are you just angry because your rated below me? Because youve never shot over a 987 round? Because your going to get beat by two Iowans in points? Or because you didnt know that you dont receive points in majors?



Yeah dude, I really thought I got points last year at worlds. That's why the CRIME DOG is kicking your azzz in points right now, right? But you don't care about points do ya? Is it because you are a ratings degenerate?

By the way, I just lost two 1000 rated rounds and I love the fact my rating went down, I hope to see you in a tournament soon so a measly 930 rated player can beat a mighty 940+ rated player...DID I MENTION I'M BEATING YOU IN POINTS??

Iowa sucks!

Just my point of view /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Conners - if you need a little bi-tch for the weekend, i think you have found some good candidates on this thread!

Conners - if you need a little bi-tch for the weekend, i think you have found some good candidates on this thread!



So you are volunteering? :o:o

Am I the fly guy or somethin? Are you just angry because your rated below me? Because youve never shot over a 987 round? Because your going to get beat by two Iowans in points? Or because you didnt know that you dont receive points in majors?



Yeah dude, I really thought I got points last year at worlds. That's why the CRIME DOG is kicking your azzz in points right now, right? But you don't care about points do ya? Is it because you are a ratings degenerate?

By the way, I just lost two 1000 rated rounds and I love the fact my rating went down, I hope to see you in a tournament soon so a measly 930 rated player can beat a mighty 940+ rated player...DID I MENTION I'M BEATING YOU IN POINTS??



*yawn*

What up Bolstead!?! Good luck at worlds brother, I know you will compete!!

Yo Aaron I'm sure you are a good guy but good luck trying to beat this Okie /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I already gave Hein props on having a he11 of a touring season so far, the same goes for Robinson. Then you chime in like a smart azzz to almost everything I was saying so I came right back at ya...stop reading this thread since you don't care about points anyway...you could always go to the ratings thread and talk about how cool ratings are :o

I didnt know you already gave props to them. Okie schmokie...time to give props to Iowa!!! If i woulda attended all the A-tiers you would be bowing down to THREE Iowans!

Whatever man, a lot of people can say that they would be on top if they went to all the good "A" Tiers...look at Eddie_OG if he went to a couple more A tiers he would be up there with Hein.

Personally, I started this season with the goal of leading Oklahoma in AM points -AND- traveling the country as much as my schedule permits to gain more tournament experience.

I'm moving up to Pro soon, getting points up there is a lot tougher than getting them in Advanced so I'll enjoy grabbing more points for the next couple months.

Okie schmokie...



You were at the Kansas City Wide Open...you must have forgotten that 7 out of the top 9 advanced players were from Oklahoma :o:o

Am I the fly guy or somethin? Are you just angry because your rated below me? Because youve never shot over a 987 round? Because your going to get beat by two Iowans in points? Or because you didnt know that you dont receive points in majors?



Yeah dude, I really thought I got points last year at worlds. That's why the CRIME DOG is kicking your azzz in points right now, right? But you don't care about points do ya? Is it because you are a ratings degenerate?

By the way, I just lost two 1000 rated rounds and I love the fact my rating went down, I hope to see you in a tournament soon so a measly 930 rated player can beat a mighty 940+ rated player...DID I MENTION I'M BEATING YOU IN POINTS??



*yawn*



glad your opening wide cause i got something you can shove in there and suck on for a while :o

What about my props???

I already told you that your a God. ;)

What about my props???



Pimp, you already know your a good golfer :D I have a feeling you might be passing me up in points very soon, I'm not hitting up but maybe 2 more "A" Tiers with a mix of "B" and "C" Tiers. You still thinking about the OO?

Okie schmokie...



You were at the Kansas City Wide Open...you must have forgotten that 7 out of the top 9 advanced players were from Oklahoma :o:o



HAHA Two Texans messed up the sweep even if we did play horrible. :D:D

Yep, you and Klein were two of the highest rated players in the tournament...I could of swore I saw him driving through Tulsa in the big Red 18-wheeler he drives.

Pimp, you already know your a good golfer I have a feeling you might be passing me up in points very soon, I'm not hitting up but maybe 2 more "A" Tiers with a mix of "B" and "C" Tiers. You still thinking about the OO?



Thanks for the props :D

I am but im leaning toward Vegas because my sponsor is out there. So it looks like you will just have to win the OO :D

Thanks for the vote of confidence...good luck in Vegas, I'll be there the week of Sept. 22nd :cool:

So it looks like you will just have to win the OO :D



Not if I have anything to do with it!!!! :D

Yo Billy Ho,

Is Coda going to beat your OK State distance record this year??

:D

Pimp, you already know your a good golfer I have a feeling you might be passing me up in points very soon, I'm not hitting up but maybe 2 more "A" Tiers with a mix of "B" and "C" Tiers. You still thinking about the OO?



Thanks for the props :D

I am but im leaning toward Vegas because my sponsor is out there. So it looks like you will just have to win the OO :D


Are you playing Am or Pro...The Am weekend is always fun since its during Halloween in Vegas /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I'm playing Pro because the Chargers have a home game on 10/30 /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Yo Billy Ho,

Is Coda going to beat your OK State distance record this year??

:D



You know he will, but so am I !!! :D

I once saw Billy throw a disc 700ft...too bad he sucks at golf though :D

Man...that's harsh O'Conners, but true, lol. :D You still planning on going to that Flying Pig tourney?

i hear the one they call millz is a gamblin man? what are the odds that millz doesnt win points title?

and who is the favorite at this time?

My $$$ is on Chad Hein, unless he decides to stop touring he will win it.

Yo Cam, the Flying Pig is kind of on the back burner right now with the wedding and everything...I let you know bro.

Oh, just kidding Billy :D

I once saw Billy throw a disc 700ft...too bad he sucks at golf though :D



I was in his group when he birdied hole 10 at Ewing. That was badass.

Whats up Eddie!!! I'm just glad I made the putt!!! :DTell the boyz from NC I said wassssuuuppp!!! :D

Hey man. I'm glad you made it too. You still got the disc you let us sign?? :D

LOL...sadly no I don't, but luckily I have another thats the exact same to replace it!!

Hey man. I'm glad you made it too. You still got the disc you let us sign?? :D



That is some funny schit...I remember Billy showing that orc off with everyones signature that was on his card, CLASSIC :D BILLY "GUN" LUND BABY!!!

My goal was to land in the top 5 for points in AM1 this season....at this point I'm seriously considering playing pro for the rest of the season, meaning I'll probably drop out of the top 10 by seasons end. I still want to hit up a few AM tournaments next year (the fun ones).

Yo Eddie, I know youre thinking about it too man ;)

I have no interest in the points, but I'm definitely going pro next Sunday.

No ones catching Chad anyway. Hes been playing lights out since Am Worlds last year.

Well some of us ARE interested in points...good luck with your Professional debut.

MC - Are you playing Tulsa Worlds? I am assuming that you will play open to get better?

No ones catching Chad anyway. Hes been playing lights out since Am Worlds last year.



Dont be so sure about that. You had better wait and see before you make statements like that ;)

haven't you been saying you're going to play open after Am Nationals?

MC - Are you playing Tulsa Worlds? I am assuming that you will play open to get better?



Absolutely JB, I'll be in Open all year next year to prepare myself...If I were not getting married in 2 months I would be joining you and McClure at Worlds...you guys will kick some azzz I know it...watch out for Kim Scott-Wood though, cool dude with mad game. He denied cash in PA last weekend so he could compete in Flagstaff....**** Canadians :D

Congrats on getting married MC...As far as Scott-Wood goes, the Am World Champ will be an American /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That's what I like to hear!!!

Go get em' Dirty D!

haven't you been saying you're going to play open after Am Nationals?



Yes I did. However I didnt say that I was done playing am after Nationals :D I still want to win points and if I only play pro after Nationals I dont think thats a possibility so I have some SuperTours scheduled before USDGC and Players cup (that is if I qualify) and then one last SuperTour in Vegas before I officially turn pro :D

Turning down cash as a practice for Am Worlds stinks of bagging. :( Maybe that's why he's set as the third rated player at Am Worlds.

Hopefully, I will play well enough where I can say I beat the the guy touted as the potential "best player in Canadian history."

I would drink some LaBatt or Molsen to that. :D

Yo Eddie, I know youre thinking about it too man ;)



You know it.

I would drink some LaBatt or Molsen to that.



I'll smoke some BC to that /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

...watch out for Kim Scott-Wood though, cool dude with mad game. He denied cash in PA last weekend so he could compete in Flagstaff....**** Canadians :D



I played with him at Bowling Green. He shot -8 at Lovers while he was in my group. Hes def got game but anything can happen at 7000 ft! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I played with him at Bowling Green. He shot -8 at Lovers while he was in my group. Hes def got game but anything can happen at 7000 ft! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Its true. Kim Scott-Wood has game but Im pullin for my boy OG. Wish I could be out there to tear it up and enjoy the fun with all the guys I met this year on tour but it just wasnt possible. Good luck to all who attend and the person in 10th place better thank me for staying at home :eek: :D:D

I would drink some LaBatt or Molsen to that.



I'll smoke some BC to that /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I'll drink and smoke to that :D

Its true. Kim Scott-Wood has game but Im pullin for my boy OG.



Thanks bro. Wish you could be there too.

the person in 10th place better thank me for staying at home :eek: :D:D



By my calc, I get the person in 27th :D
Advanced
Name Rating
1 Steve Lonhart 982*
2 Jan Smutz 982*
3 Kim Scott-Wood 975*
4 Matt Hall 973*
5 Jack Schmalfeld 971*
6 Tim Skellenger 971*
7 Mike Nelson 964*
8 Stanny Lee 962*
9 Phillip Brathwaite 960*
10 Daniel B. Polk 960*
11 David Vincent 959*
12 George Ross 958*
13 Jonah Schmidt 958*
14 Jacky Logan 957*
15 Eddie Ogburn 957*
16 Armando Gordo Garcia III 956*
17 Brian Robinson 955*
18 James Wood 953*
19 Wil Ennis 952*
20 Jason Bolstead 951*
21 Joey Van Duzee 951*
22 Dustin Champlin 950*
23 David Haning 949*
24 Kevin Gleason 948*
25 Dave Holwerda 948*
26 Jay Harbour 947*
27 Robbie Bratten 944*

Turning down cash as a practice for Am Worlds stinks of bagging.



Yes it does, I don't care if he is a cool guy or not. That is flipping BS. This guy sounds like a pansy with limited potential. I hope he gets pounded.

is millz willing to wager this statement???

This guy sounds like a pansy with limited potential.

a <20 kid who has already played well enough to ca$h at the PRO worlds... yeah, sounds like limited potential to me. what a [I'm a potty-mouth!]

a <20 kid who has already played well enough to ca$h at the PRO worlds... yeah, sounds like limited potential to me. what a [I'm a potty-mouth!]



Ill second that statement :D

Dont hate the player, Hate the game!!! :D

Turning down cash as a practice for Am Worlds stinks of bagging. :( Maybe that's why he's set as the third rated player at Am Worlds.)

I could have swore I responded to this yesterday, but maybe I forgot to hit the post button.

Tiger was the second biggest bagger of all time. He won three US Amateur Championships in three consecutive years before turning pro. He is one of the few amateurs to qualify for more than one US Open.

One of the worlds' least known big baggers was Jack Sikma, who played for the Seattle Super Sonics for several years in the 70s and 80s. He turned down several full ride athletic scholarship offers from NCAA Div 1 schools because he wanted to go to college to get an education. So he went to my alma mater which does not even have athletic scholarships and IWU dominated the NAIA during Sikma's years.

The money a pro can make playing this game is pathetic. No one needs an excuse for not going pro in this game. No one has an obligation to go pro so you can win against weaker competition.

Am points leader in 06': Devan Owens.

Turning down cash as a practice for Am Worlds stinks of bagging. :( Maybe that's why he's set as the third rated player at Am Worlds.)

I could have swore I responded to this yesterday, but maybe I forgot to hit the post button.

Tiger was the second biggest bagger of all time. He won three US Amateur Championships in three consecutive years before turning pro. He is one of the few amateurs to qualify for more than one US Open.

One of the worlds' least known big baggers was Jack Sikma, who played for the Seattle Super Sonics for several years in the 70s and 80s. He turned down several full ride athletic scholarship offers from NCAA Div 1 schools because he wanted to go to college to get an education. So he went to my alma mater which does not even have athletic scholarships and IWU dominated the NAIA during Sikma's years.

The money a pro can make playing this game is pathetic. No one needs an excuse for not going pro in this game. No one has an obligation to go pro so you can win against weaker competition.



Well put...If people want to get this sport close to that of other more known sports, people should shut up with that bagger talk. Amatuers are going to start getting better, and better. There will be a day with countless 970 rated Ams competing at Worlds.
Ball Golf gives exemptions to Ams to compete in certain events and Majors. Often times, these Ams beat the majority of the Pro field. A player has the right to decide when they want to go pro...and until a pro can make big coin, you are going to see more guys staying Am as long as possible.

Baggers - They will NEVER go away, they will always be at tournaments representing their bagger ways...I might stay AM for another couple of seasons just to increase my stacks of plastic.

We are here for ever! :D

If there were more Majors for Ams, that may encourage some to move up. I know I want to play Worlds next year before I move up.

Is Chad Hein going pro next year?

Am points leader in 06': Devan Owens.



Nope - He will play open to practice for Am and Pro Worlds. Although, I will make Devan the preliminary favorite for next year's Am Worlds. He will be a 980+ rated player on his home courese where he drops 1000+ rounds Easy $$.

Devan will be better next year, but so will a lot of people :cool:

Am points leader in 06': Devan Owens.



Nope - He will play open to practice for Am and Pro Worlds. Although, I will make Devan the preliminary favorite for next year's Am Worlds. He will be a 980+ rated player on his home courese where he drops 1000+ rounds Easy $$.



Devon is the man....er....boy. :o:D

Is Chad Hein going pro next year?



yeah, i'm trying to get him to start playing open with me after Am Nationals. but next year we will be playing pro for sure.

Is Chad Hein going pro next year?

i will most likely after am nationals...unless millz still thinks hes takin the points title...otherwise itll be when i think i have enough points to hold on

Hein prob has the points title wrapped up...would be mighty hard to come back from 2000 points...I'm sure he is hitting up all the A tiers on the east coast.

I knew I should have hit up Des Moines and Michiana.

Hein prob has the points title wrapped up...would be mighty hard to come back from 2000 points...I'm sure he is hitting up all the A tiers on the east coast.

I knew I should have hit up Des Moines and Michiana.

nope i cant make it to any more A tiers..i dont think..beings how im here in iowa

I didn't know that was you Chad...as many tournaments I have played and you were there I'm surprised we never got carded together...anyways nice shootin this season.

mc

I didn't know that was you Chad...as many tournaments I have played and you were there I'm surprised we never got carded together...anyways nice shootin this season.


Maybe Am Nationals?

mc

I wish...my wedding fund is getting in the way of that one...DAMMITT!!!!

Hit it big in Vegas and don't tell her about it. :D:D

I won't tell her............for a fee............... :D

Yeah Dave, what kind of fee I wonder? :D:D

Hey man, I'm looking into a hold em tournament while we are in vegas...i'll keep you posted.

I didn't know that was you Chad...as many tournaments I have played and you were there I'm surprised we never got carded together...anyways nice shootin this season.mc




finally i get some credit, from people other than the locals, thanks QC

It's MC actually but you can call me what you like...I'm 100% positive I've been called worse before :o

Yo Pimp, is this weekend going to be your first sanctioned tournament playing open?

I played a Trophy only in Open but that was just because I liked the 2 guys that were playing Open and wanted to play on their card.

So Techinically NO but for all intensive and competition purposes Yes.

I cant wait to get out there and see the course and see how I do against the BIG DOGS!!!

Wish me luck :D

Good luck brotha...just play yo game homie and you won't need it!!

I'll be checking out the leaderboard.

Good luck brotha...just play yo game homie and you won't need it!!

I'll be checking out the leaderboard.



Thanks man. I will be playing SMART golf all weekend and when the weekend is over we shall see where I stack up :D

Jumped back to 3rd on the points list! Dam I play a lot of tournies! :D

I'll be making a run at ya ;)

I dropped from 3rd to 4th...but I still have these tournaments that have not been updated yet:

Sun Burn Open "C" - 2nd place
Riverside Glide "B" - 1st Place
Okie Doubles "B"- 1st Place
JDGF Stillwater "C" - 3rd Place

Looks like Robinson is making a run for Hein....He's not to far back.

And Pimp is making a run at them...Mike and Chad arent playing anymore A-tiers and Pimp claims hes playing like 3 more.

I'm #3 in TX. #1 if I would've gone to BG. :D:D

What up Matt,

Yeah, BG is key for Amateur points...I might play a couple more A tiers just to try and stay in the top 5. I'm missing 2 tournament due to my wedding so it might be tough.

I have been playing like sheit lately, I changed my putting style to more of a straddle stance and it's not working...I've missed the payout by one spot in my last 2 tournaments so I'm going back to my old school style.

I've got to get my game back where it should be for USDGC.

What up Matt,
I've missed the payout by one spot in my last 2 tournaments so I'm going back to my old school style.




Me too sucks because I was going to accept. It just seems that i am not charging the course and I am playing to not mess up like in KC and it just doesn't worl for me I have to ATTACK the course. Well I am going to keep up with the points thing now so good luck. <<<with the wedding too. :D:D

Just won an A tier this past weekend. Should have 580 points coming my way. :D

After 4th place at Am Worlds (congrats!) are you staying in Advanced just so you can win the Amateur Points Race? ;)

Actually I dont care about national points, just NC points (http://www.ncdiscgolf.com) . Hopefully I'll have it locked after Charlotte.

I see the ;), but I'll defend Eddie (and all rising stars in NC). Check out the scores from Sneeky Pete (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4716&year=2005&includeRatings=1#Open) this last weekend.

There is lots of good comp in the Ams in NC - Eddie won against other players who were playing 966 golf! You typically need to shoot 975 golf in NC to win in the Adv division.

Last place cash (15 golfers of 35 were paid) in Open was 1005 rated golf. That was Barry Schultz!

Michigan Advanced are still better.......

is there i link to go to too find out how many points you have and to compare your with everyone esle in your state ?

way to rule jv

when you decide to step up, come to NC

Yes. Click on membership and look around

Looks like you've got NC locked up already, and third in the countrys not bad at all. 4th at worlds and your still not going pro though??!!! Points smoints man, step it on up! We all know your playin pro level golf. Go get that cash!!

Sorry about the earlier post. I was in a rush.

http://www.pdga.com/points.php

Scroll down and use the dark blue or dark purple box. I'm colorblind. It looks like the same color as the margin of this page, to me.

Holla at the my fellow Iowa boys...Mr. Chad Hein along with MDR right behind him. Looks like one of the Iowa boys could possibly take home the points title...but...we'll just have to wait and see. You know...Iowa can turns out some pretty good dg'ers too. :D

Hein probably has it wrapped up, unless Robinson hits up some of the few big tournaments that are left on the schedule....Okie Open could help MDR's cause for the title. :D I would like to stay in the top 5 if at all possible, but i'm missing 2 tournaments due to the USDGC. Ogburn just won a large tournament so I guess he will be passing me up soon.

Ive caught another snag in the quest for the points race and will only be able to attend a couple more tournaments this year and not the SuperTour I had hoped for. I hope I can stay in the top 3 but if OG tears it up at Fall Finale like he did at Sneaky Pete he may pass up everyone :eek:

Oh well atleast I have another shot at getting it next year :D

I wish i could go to the Okie Open, doesn't look like it's going to happen. It's kinda far.

You going to Homies this weekend or Princess in a couple weekends???

I'm going to a tournament close to home on Saturday, if I cash I'll be at Homies. When is Princess?

Same day as the Grandview tournament.

just call me Luigi. (no princess for me)

Ill be at Homies. U goin Millz?

Trying. If I can find a ride im going if not then I cant. Hows your knee holding up??? It was your knee right???

It was my foot but that is pretty much all good now. Its my lower right back thats been keeping me from playing (do not lift heavy objects and pivot/turn at the same time.) Again, ill be flipping a coin to determine whether i play Adv. or Pro... ;)

Is anybody else missing 3 or more tournaments under their personal statistics??

I'm beginning to wonder it they will ever post :confused:

I'm missing a couple that are more than 3 months late.

Makes you wonder it they will ever show up...what gives, man?!?

Thats usually a result of a lazy TD not inputting the scores or sending the TD report in. Dont worry the the PDGA wont do anything and that person will be running that tournament again next year and they prolly wont turn those scores in either :eek:

Has anyone elses rating gone up overnight without a ratings update??? Last time I checked I was 956 and today im 957. How does that work???

Mine stayed the same.

i didn't even notice that, mine went down 2 points..

Mine went up 7, but thats because of Mid-Nationals.

Thats usually a result of a lazy TD not inputting the scores or sending the TD report in. Dont worry the the PDGA wont do anything and that person will be running that tournament again next year and they prolly wont turn those scores in either :eek:



WRONG. We have a TD down here stripped of his PDGA TD priviledges (and official's status) due to not turning in reports for his 3 events last year. But don't let facts get in your way.

WRONG. We have a TD down here stripped of his PDGA TD priviledges (and official's status) due to not turning in reports for his 3 events last year. But don't let facts get in your way.



So what your telling me is third times the charm. So if this TD doesnt turn in one event he or she still has a couple more times to screw up untill something happens???

All 3 events happened over a 2-week period - Sat, following Sat &amp; Sun, so he was OK at the time he ran #2 and #3. The year before he was late in getting reports/money in, but it got in. The total turnout was small, as the delay in 03 hurt him.

Thats pretty bad :eek:

I dropped another spot.

I'm back in the top 5 baby!

If these freakin TD would turn in the reports from my last 2 tournaments I would still be in 3rd place. I have a win at a B Tier and a 5th at another B Tier that havent been counted yet :mad::mad::mad:

My girls are working on their 5th and 3rd consecutive wins in their divisions. I was thinking about having the other two sides of my obelisk engraved for them, but I'd need a bigger obelisk!

My goal of 6000 points has been reached...still kind of disapointed with the way my season turned out, but I had a blast this year doing it!

If these freakin TD would turn in the reports from my last 2 tournaments I would still be in 3rd place. I have a win at a B Tier and a 5th at another B Tier that havent been counted yet :mad::mad::mad:

You don't get an obelisk for third place. Brett says that third place is runner-up to first loser. :D

I am pleased to announce I am out of the am points race. I officially turned pro last weekend. That is all...

Way to go Eddie, I'm proud of you. We knew you had the skillz, now it's time to get that money and pay the bills.
Jonah and myself have been playing open since the Norcal champs and have been bottom feeding ever since but it's an honor to play w/ the best players from Cali and around the country. Look foward to playing a couple pro tourneys w/ ya, maybe even on your side of the country some day. Disc on!!!

Considering I missed a huge tournament series by getting married (June-August) and am still in the top 80 after being in the top 25 starting the season I am pretty happy. I got 3 more tournaments that need to be turned in. 79th out of 4647 is not too bad. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Way to go EOG, I may have only played against you only twice. But congrads on moving up, good luck.

I am pleased to announce I am out of the am points race. I officially turned pro last weekend. That is all...



Right on Eddie, good luck on your decision to turn pro, I know you will fare well....I'm waiting to move up, I have more to learn and I don't feel like donating to McCoy, Hatfield and Aleksey.

Thanks for the support guys. I think I'm ready.

If these freakin TD would turn in the reports from my last 2 tournaments I would still be in 3rd place. I have a win at a B Tier and a 5th at another B Tier that havent been counted yet :mad::mad::mad:

You don't get an obelisk for third place. Brett says that third place is runner-up to first loser. :D



I have a question. Why is it that Devan Owens and I are both listed in the <19 points when we are still <16 players??? :confused:

If these freakin TD would turn in the reports from my last 2 tournaments I would still be in 3rd place. I have a win at a B Tier and a 5th at another B Tier that havent been counted yet :mad::mad::mad:

You don't get an obelisk for third place. Brett says that third place is runner-up to first loser. :D



I have a question. Why is it that Devan Owens and I are both listed in the <19 points when we are still <16 players??? :confused:



Good question...maybe it's cuz you both throw Gateway :p Devan played the mini last night for once...I guess winning a world championship turns u off to the game :confused: actually he's chaising tail around :D

Yeah I stiil can't believe he got a job. Hey Conners is it getting cold yet? :D

Yeah, it's getting pretty cold...I guess in Southern Texas you have some alright weather anytime of year. :cool:

I'm thinking about hitting the heated golf range this winter and going for my PGA Tour card :p :p :p :p

Why did Hein's name vanish from the Am points list? He was killing everybody :confused: I know he accepted cash but he is still leading in AM points.

What gives?

hmm...it seems like all the ams who took cash had their Am points go down to zero. I sent an email the other day about it, haven't heard back yet.

Mike, you were right up there with him...WTF?!!!?

I have never read anything or heard the PDGA state that your AM points do not count if you accept cash....sounds a bit shady.

I hope it's just a glitch and that's not the case..

I talked to a local pro who told me if you accept cash in the open division all your AM points get erased :confused:

That's such a load of crap. Leave it to the pdga to screw something up like that...if in fact that is the way that it goes.

I'm sure I will get harassed for this post.