someone asked me last night about when they are required and for whom, and I realized I had forgot the specifics. Could someone please refresh my memory? Thx

Requested for regular rounds
Required for semi's & finals

collared shirts rule.

i found some at Academy for $15 that are 70% bamboo, 30% cotton. extremely comfie, and the sweat just evaps right away.

Bamboo???

Please elaborate. :)

They grow 6" everyday. So in a week you have a new shirt.

Requested for regular rounds
Required for semi's & finals



2005 Worlds rules should be:

Requested during practice rounds
Required during regular, semi, and finals

Requested for regular rounds
Required for semi's & finals



"Requested" :confused: At Worlds?? :confused:

Here come the "Wife Beaters"..... :p
That always looks good on "Film"

"Requested" At Worlds??

Here come the "Wife Beaters".....
That always looks good on "Film"



Yeah, like who's going to watch the film other than other wife-beater wearing disc golfers?

yes, bamboo. not that hard to understand is it? the brand is "monterey"... dont know if that is exclusive to Academy or not.

Requested for regular rounds
Required for semi's & finals



That's the info I got for Arizona ;)

I stay away from the "wife beaters" :mad:

yes, bamboo. not that hard to understand is it? the brand is "monterey"... dont know if that is exclusive to Academy or not.


So...does it feel like regular cloth, or is it more like wearing a bunch of clunking armor?

its like nice soft cloth. sounds wierd, yes... but feels the same as cotton. very very nice shirts - i'm gonna get some more. i got a couple white ones for the texas summers, and one blue cuz they had one. hopefully they have restocked by now.

What about at A tiers? For AMs and pros? neither? or just pros?

I think it is a TD's call.
Females have the advantage with sleeveless collared shirts.
Do they make "wife beater" shirts with collars?

I voted for "Not restrictive enough. Collared shirts for all."

My vote went to "It's too restrictive. The dress code should better reflect the athletic and alternative nature of our sport. Clean and neat attire should be all that's required."

I don't much care about the "alternative nature" of disc golf but it I'm more comfortable and my motion less restricted without sleeves, especially when putting on a hot and humid day.

...but it I'm more comfortable and my motion less restricted without sleeves, especially when putting on a hot and humid day.


I played in Miami at the end of July (read: hot and humid big time) and wearing a collared shirt while playing didn't bother me at all. I thought that the "tuck rule" in Des Moines last year would be a problem, but again no noticeable difference.

For me, it's not a big deal and is not at all uncomfortable. Have you actually tried it? I ask because a lot of people assume it is uncomfortable without really trying it first.

I agree, it got pretty warm in Iowa last summer. I even wore the nice shirt to the field events, which I never used to do when I was competing in the overall events in the past. I thought I had to have my arms "free" to make the big throws, but my 2nd place finish in the Master's Distance contest proved to me that the shirt doesn't have that much to do with it. DeLynn even got some good pictures of my sponsor's logo on the shirt during some of my throws. Much cleaner and professional looking than some of my past pictures.

I always play in polos now. I started getting used to it before the Memorial and have continued doing it since. It doesn't bother me on drives but I have to pull the sleeves up a bit before some upshots and putts.

I've done both and still prefer the sleeveless even though I haven't played that way since January.

I've found that if people didn't play in Polos, they could handle more than one round during the Texas summers. :p

Miami is not hot. Here in Austin, it is presently 103 with a heat index of 110. No need to punish myself with an uncomfortable shirt.

The rule says collared shirts not necessarily Polos right?

I think the jersey idea might be the way to go. I know there are soccer jersey's out there that are super comfy with a collar. They might be a bit spendy for some people, but I bet if you looked around you could find similar things.

The other thing I immediately thought of when I was told of the collar rule is Hawaiian shirts. They usually are pretty lightweight.

However, both jerseys and Hawaiian shirts beg the question as to whether they look better than a nice t-shirt.

Miami is not hot.


BS. Miami at the end of July/beginning of August is hot.

Just to clarify things, here's the Dress Code section of the National Tour Player's Handbook. This also applies to all Majors and to Worlds. Note that there is some lee-way regarding collared shirts this year. (Emphases mine, to address various areas of this conversation)


8.3 Dress Code

8.3.1 All players in PDGA sanctioned competitions are expected to dress appropriately and maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance<font color="red"> at all Event sites and all associated functions.</font>

8.3.2 The following dress code for all competitors will be enforced at all PDGA National Tour and Major Events. The PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced at SuperTour and lower tier events, but this decision lies solely with the Tournament Director:

* All players must wear a shirt covering their upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable. Women are also allowed to wear sleeveless shirts as designated above.

* No tee shirts will be allowed, except for competitors in the Junior and Amateur divisions during preliminary rounds only. Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee shirts during semifinal or final rounds. Crew neck or V-neck shirts made of high-performance or high-tech materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-Max, and others will be allowed.

* Shirts that hang down lower than the bottom hemline on the player's shorts shall be tucked in.

* No ripped shirts, shorts, pants will be allowed on the course. This includes unhemmed, torn or cut "vents" at the shirt collar.

* No offensive, profane, or obscene slogans or logos shall be allowed on any clothing. Junior players may not wear slogans or logos referring to alcohol or tobacco.

* Shoes or other foot coverings must be worn. Players will not be allowed to play in bare feet. Sandals or slides are allowed.

8.3.3 <font color="red">This dress code will be in effect from start to finish at each event, including all tournament rounds. </font>Players who do not make the final cut, but wish to remain on site through the duration of the tournament, will be considered spectators and will not be required to conform to the Tour's dress code.

8.3.4 Any player in breach of the dress code will be warned for the first offense by a Tournament Official or PDGA Marshal, may be required to change attire immediately at the official's discretion, and will under all circumstances be required to change attire prior to the restart of their next round. For any additional offenses, players will be subject to disqualification by the Tournament Director, and may also be subject to suspension from PDGA events at the discretion of the PDGA Commissioner.




So, to summarize, you don't have to wear a collared shirt. You may wear a well tailored shirt with one of the other listed collars, in a material known generically as "high-performance." No tee shirts, tank tops, bare midriffs, or sleeveless shirts, except for ladies.

Following last season, the PDGA Board of Directors, responding to suggestions from the membership, amended the dress code to better reflect the athletic nature of our sport, while retaining a clean and well groomed appearance.

there is no valid reason for exempting "ladies" from the sleeve rule.

Having tried a hawiian shirt or two in some tourneys, I found the loose fitting ones to end up causeing restrictions in my movement. My best luck has been with polo shirts, which only caused issues when the sleeves were a little too tight in the ring at the bottom.

there is no valid reason for exempting "ladies" from the sleeve rule.



There's probably as many "valid" reasons for allowing ladies to wear sleeveless shirts as there are "valid" reasons for allowing sandals. :eek: :eek: :D :D

no, because the current rule on sleeves is gender specific. the rule on sandals (AKA very serious athletic footwear) suffers from no similar gender bias.

Jon is still mad that his BOD caved on the sandal issue when all the evidence supported keeping the no-sandal rule. :)

if i remember correctly, jon voted with the majority to allow good quality open toed athletic footwear.

So, Hawaiian shirts are allowed? I would hate to be in a group with a guy that had his chest hair flowing out.. Magnum P I style.

if i remember correctly, jon voted with the majority to allow good quality open toed athletic footwear.



Jon joined the Board in a consensus that the "sandal" issue really wasn't of much concern at the present time. Jon still doesn't think that "sandals" are appropriate footwear, especially at the Major and Championship level of a sport that is trying to improve and market its image as one that is professional. Jon was also fairly instrumental in drafting the new dress code that allows more athletic attire.

Jon investigated the "certification process" of the footwear industry association and knows that the "evidence" presented in support of allowing sandals is non-empirical. That makes it specious, to say the least. Any so-called "certification" by an industry-centric group, without outside corroboration, is nothing more than rubber-stamping the maker's claims. For a "sandal" to be rated and certified equally for support with an ankle-high boot is disingenuous.

Wear your sandals, Pat. Delude yourself into thinking that they are "athletic footwear." I see how much they have improved your player rating. :D/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D :D

Back to the issue at hand. There are alternatives to collared shirts.

Jon investigated the "certification process" of the footwear industry association and knows that the "evidence" presented in support of allowing sandals is non-empirical. That makes it specious, to say the least. Any so-called "certification" by an industry-centric group, without outside corroboration, is nothing more than rubber-stamping the maker's claims. For a "sandal" to be rated and certified equally for support with an ankle-high boot is disingenuous.

oh dear. nothing but misinformation in this quote. jon, just because you cannot understand how a sandal could offer the same or superior support that a boot offers does not mean that the sandal doesnt. to criticize the association for its certification process is precisely like someone saying the pdga equipment cert process is vacuous for the same reasons. we both know thats pure baloney.


Wear your sandals, Pat. Delude yourself into thinking that they are "athletic footwear." I see how much they have improved your player rating.

you had to take it to the ratings, huh. sheesh. since i started in 98 my rating has gone up from its initial 800's values. i just looked yours up, jon., perhaps YOU are the one who needs to consider the acquisition of an open mind. :D

I thought only sponsored players had to wear Collared shirts as part of their contract with their sponsors?

Why Am i required to dress a certain way to play a sport that most people either don't know or laugh at? Really friggen stupid. I will wear what I please when i play as long as i'm covering my nipples and my crotch.
TO Require a Collared Shirt is really not necessary. A Tshirt will cover what a colllared shirt can and is in most cases way more comfortable.
IF we want to clean up our image then why dont' we just start recruiting "UPperclass" people in suits and let them carry discs in briefcases. If i'm a hippy i would dress like one... and not change because some Board of directors wants to clean up the image of discgolf.

-Scott Lewis

My rating's never been at issue. I know that I'm a recreational player. The reasons are mine alone and are not excuses. I have a great time out there no matter what the score. My interest is in promoting the sport to schools and to the general public, not in becoming the next great Grandmaster.

There is a whole lot of difference between the Tech Standards of the PDGA, which are in place to standardize the equipment of the sport FOR THOSE THAT PLAY THE SPORT, and a pay-for-it certificate that touts the quality and MEDICAL validity of a product TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. That's where the real baloney lies. If that satisfies *you*, then fine. I just don't think that we (the PDGA) should accept such a process as a validation of the product.

Like I said, the issue isn't that important at the present time. I stated my objections at the time, and joined the consensus to move on. Maybe we'll revisit the issue, maybe not. You and I will disagree on this until the cows come home, so let's move along. Nothing more to be seen here.

I look forward to meeting you in Flagstaff.

yeah. flagstaff is gonna be fun. i'm looking very much forward to the event, and to meeting you as well. in my collared shirt, of course! :cool:

yeah. flagstaff is gonna be fun. i'm looking very much forward to the event, and to meeting you as well. in my collared shirt, of course! :cool:



And your rattlesnake- and scorpion-proof sandals, too, I suppose? :D

I thought only sponsored players had to wear Collared shirts as part of their contract with their sponsors?

Why Am i required to dress a certain way to play a sport that most people either don't know or laugh at? Really friggen stupid. I will wear what I please when i play as long as i'm covering my nipples and my crotch.
TO Require a Collared Shirt is really not necessary. A Tshirt will cover what a colllared shirt can and is in most cases way more comfortable.
IF we want to clean up our image then why dont' we just start recruiting "UPperclass" people in suits and let them carry discs in briefcases. If i'm a hippy i would dress like one... and not change because some Board of directors wants to clean up the image of discgolf.

-Scott Lewis



Great points Scott. I feel like they want everyone to dress like the Brady Bunch. I would much rather see top disc golfers dress like Jimi Hendrix.

Was there some guy who dressed like Pigpen (from Charlie Brown) that forced the PDGA to make people dress a certain way? Are we trying to attract ball golf or tennis sponsors? what gives? Restricting the way we dress deludes our diversity. Maybe the PDGA should just insist on polo shirts and slacks? LOL

If the PDGA really thinks collared shirts ios some magic wand then there is nothing wrong with recommending it as the preferred attire of the PDGA. Many, if not most, will conform. Do we really need a dress code?

I thought only sponsored players had to wear Collared shirts as part of their contract with their sponsors?

Why Am i required to dress a certain way to play a sport that most people either don't know or laugh at? Really friggen stupid. I will wear what I please when i play as long as i'm covering my nipples and my crotch.
TO Require a Collared Shirt is really not necessary. A Tshirt will cover what a colllared shirt can and is in most cases way more comfortable.
IF we want to clean up our image then why dont' we just start recruiting "UPperclass" people in suits and let them carry discs in briefcases. If i'm a hippy i would dress like one... and not change because some Board of directors wants to clean up the image of discgolf.

-Scott Lewis



Great points Scott. I feel like they want everyone to dress like the Brady Bunch. I would much rather see top disc golfers dress like Jimi Hendrix.

Was there some guy who dressed like Pigpen (from Charlie Brown) that forced the PDGA to make people dress a certain way? Are we trying to attract ball golf or tennis sponsors? what gives? Restricting the way we dress deludes our diversity. Maybe the PDGA should just insist on polo shirts and slacks? LOL

If the PDGA really thinks collared shirts ios some magic wand then there is nothing wrong with recommending it as the preferred attire of the PDGA. Many, if not most, will conform. Do we really need a dress code?




YEAH what they said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would much rather see top disc golfers dress like Jimi Hendrix.

We need a new poll, with this as one off the choices, seeing as how it's 'seconded'. :cool:

Tie-die collared shirt is the best way to meld our rich heritage with a move forward.

This thread bothers me because it seems to be a forum for people to create an excuse for their poor play in tournaments and major PDGA events. Oh no! A collar and those tight sleeves are going to cause me to play like cr*p and prove that I don�t really throw/putt/play as well as I say I do on the �How Far Can You Drive/How to Putt/Ratings� Threads.

Here�s my take on all the above whining (all the posts)�It�s BULL for so many reasons.

We play in Ice Bowls to raise money for charity in the middle of winter for crying out loud. Maybe all of you are from the South but many disc golfers play in parkas, goggles, gloves, even snowshoes have a good time and raise money for a good cause. Here in Colorado, I�ve seen some pretty good players play well bundled up in blizzards. Now granted�no one I�ve seen in an Ice Bowl has had the discomfort and disadvantage of wearing a collard shirt at the time so maybe this is an entirely different issue.

I�ve also heard it voiced (whined?) that women are treated to an unfair advantage by being allowed to wear sleeveless shirts. I say fine�change the rule�play in a collared sleeveless shirt if you want but I think the guy who does will feel so self-conscious about playing in women�s clothing and asked so many times if they have a sports-bra on that it won�t help their score any.

The PDGA saying that players at a top-level tournament need to conform (not a word many disc golfers like I know) to a certain dress code is about image for the sponsors and media and pride and respect of the people who take disc golf to the highest levels. Disc golf is growing and the better public image we have the easier it will be to take it to the next level. I�d love to see live USDGC coverage on ESPN2 someday. But that won�t happen until some major money starts coming in. It�s about selling an image.

I have run tournaments here in Montrose, Colorado for four years now (Ice Bowls, One day events, and C & B-tiers). Trying to sell disc golf to sponsors is hard enough without running up against the negative image some people seem proud to perpetuate on the courses and on this forum. Are they disc golfers�yes. Are they welcome at my tournaments�YES! Are they who I want on the front page of the local paper putting at a basket�NO! I want a positive image for disc golf in Montrose, in Colorado and around the world so I can send copies of the articles from the paper to my sponsors so they feel they are getting their money�s worth in sponsoring future disc golf events. It�s positive images my club needs so we can continue to get support from the City and Recreation Departments to upgrade the existing course we have and plan future courses. When someone writes, �The Bowl Hole� on a tee sign (I assume your courses have at least one similar hole even if it�s not so obviously marked) it�s kinda funny until you hope that someone important from the city doesn�t see it and nix the use of land or doesn�t include your club in planning of the growth of the park and the baskets your group raised six grand for disappear and you�re back to throwing at trees with flagging on them.

Whining about a dress code is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who run large PDGA events, build courses, volunteer hours, raise money, create ratings systems, etc. just so you can play in an organized event, get a little swag in your player�s package and hopefully a prize if you can overcome the difficulties of your attire. The ones doing their best to put on great events for the masses want their players to pretend to look nice just in case a TV crew actually comes by or the newspaper photographer shows up. They take it seriously at that level and want the players to as well.

If you don�t want to wear at collared shirt or footwear of any kind while you play, don�t play A-Tiers and other Majors. Stick to the lower Tier events or non-sanctioned events, enjoy the heck out of it and wear what you want. If you want to play big events because you think you�re good enough (We all know we are despite our results in the past), or you want the experience, or wanna see the awesome people play�wear nicer clothing. Heck�you�ve even got options several people have listed. Show that chest hair through the Hawaiian shirt, get a white collared shirt tie-dyed (one of the best Masters golfers in Colorado has two for big events), get collared shirts with your club logo made for the members who travel to tournaments and wear them with pride�or get a bowling shirt in medium-quasar-metallic-blue�Whatever!. Last year for prom (I teach high school in Western Colorado) a junior girl thought that all the dresses were ugly so she and her mom made one out of camouflage (Mossy Oak pattern) and a vest for her date. It was creative, made a statement, conformed to the dress code and actually looked pretty good. Do something similar that says I don�t conform but I meet the rules. It will add good color to the tournament.

If none of these options work but you still gotta see the great players play and stay true to the main negative image of disc golf because, �you�re alternative Man��smoke up in your car, wear the wife beater and cut-offs, flip flops and watch some those awesome few who try to make a �living� playing disc golf (in collared shirts no less) with a beer in you hand from the sidelines. Just because 99.9% of us will never be that good doesn�t mean they don�t have pride in their work (or art at times). They are the best, in general they present a clean image through their behavior during tournaments and they don�t whine about dress codes much. They understand that it�s their practice (rather than how loudly they post on this forum) that matters.

Well�I don�t post much and I�m headed outta town for a tournament in Denver so sorry I�ll miss the posts to following since I know I�m just kicking an anthill.

Btw�I think it�s rather infantile to be posting about someone else�s rating. We play because we like to, the rating is a nice added feature to belonging to PDGA but it�s an poor measuring stick to how much we love disc golf, what we know about it or if our ideas have merit.

Support your local disc golf club, throw a tournament, play a tournament or just play disc golf. It�s a great game so enjoy in the way that fits you best. :cool:

-Max Maclay

That was about the best post possible on this topic.

Thanks for taking the time to write all that! :)

I agree with Max. I work in sales/corporate sponsorship, and image is everything. Even though most companies budget enormous amounts of money for advertising/sponsorship-Why do you think they are hesitant to be a title sponsor of a disc golf tournament?

<FONT SIZE=1>Grab your sack, buy some collared shirts, and play Disc Golf </FONT>/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Very good post Max.

Collared shirts are hot and sweaty when it's 80 degrees or above.

What looks better. A guy in a collared shirt that's drenched with sweat, or a guy in a tee shirt that's cool as a cucumber?

Does anybody know of a collared shirt that isn't frigging hot?

bamboo cloth keeps you cool too

http://www.bambrotex.com/second/showroom_fabric.htm

where do you get bamboo collared shirts?

Some thoughts....

First, it is indeed hot in Miami (and the rest of the South) in the summer. Don't confuse the arid dry heat of Texas with the humid heat of the southeast. My relatives from Vegas cannot handle the Virginia summer.

Before the Beatles were world famous, they wore leather outfits - jackets and pants - and looked like hoodlums. Change them into nice suits, and they become timeless icons. You can't argue with success!

It is all about image and marketing. If it looks nice, people will buy it.

bamboo cloth keeps you cool too

http://www.bambrotex.com/second/showroom_fabric.htm

where do you get bamboo collared shirts?

if you woulda gone back a couple dozen osts, you would already know you can get monterey brand 70% bamboo collared shirts in the golf department of Academy Sports

Before the Beatles were world famous, they wore leather outfits - jackets and pants - and looked like hoodlums. Change them into nice suits, and they become timeless icons. You can't argue with success!

so lets require our "lady" golfers to wear skimpy black leather hot pants, or maybe lacie lingerie or pointy leather bras with tassles... after all, it worked for Madonna and who's to aruge with success! :D

Don't confuse the arid dry heat of Texas with the humid heat of the southeast.



Never been to Houston have you? :)

TBender, my thought exactly...arid in Houston is when the humidity drops to 89% :D

First off, Miami is not hot and playing in sandals is for hippies and our sport can't be associated with hippies or anyone who would even tolerate hippies. We want to be corporate. :p :D(spare me the serious replies, I'm not that serious, except for the Miami thing of course. :p)

I voted to keep the dress code as is, but this mentaility that we need to be corporate; that image is everything; that a tye-died collared shirt is somehow different than a nice tee shirt; if we follow this, we will be delivered to the promised land. All this talk seems to be a result of inferiority issues.

I'll follow the dress code because that is what the PDGA has decided, because it is not that restrictive, and because it is not that big of a deal. However, I don't pretend that it is anything but an insignificant factor in our overall success. Also, not that we have any big events during excessive heat periods, but I recommend the ability to waive the dress code if conditions warrant it.

Collared shirts are hot and sweaty when it's 80 degrees or above.

What looks better. A guy in a collared shirt that's drenched with sweat, or a guy in a tee shirt that's cool as a cucumber?

Does anybody know of a collared shirt that isn't frigging hot?


The MADC made some very nice collared shirts that some folks around here wear just about every tournament round I see them in. They're in one of those "high-performance" fabrics that are allowed. Mitch (Sonderfan) and I have been perusing REI lately and he just snagged a very nice Mountain Hard Wear shirt that is mesh on the bottom with a nice rainproof but still thin and not sticky hot fabric just over the shoulders and collar. I'll see if I can find a link to it. We've both found some very nice "well tailored" shirts, mostly at REI. Also, two of the Innova guys (LL and Walt) had these nice waffley shirts from Innova at the last tournament that they both swore by (90 and humid in the NC summers).

I thought only sponsored players had to wear Collared shirts as part of their contract with their sponsors?

Why Am i required to dress a certain way to play a sport that most people either don't know or laugh at? Really friggen stupid. I will wear what I please when i play as long as i'm covering my nipples and my crotch.
TO Require a Collared Shirt is really not necessary. A Tshirt will cover what a colllared shirt can and is in most cases way more comfortable.
IF we want to clean up our image then why dont' we just start recruiting "UPperclass" people in suits and let them carry discs in briefcases. If i'm a hippy i would dress like one... and not change because some Board of directors wants to clean up the image of discgolf.

-Scott Lewis



Great points Scott. I feel like they want everyone to dress like the Brady Bunch. I would much rather see top disc golfers dress like Jimi Hendrix.

Was there some guy who dressed like Pigpen (from Charlie Brown) that forced the PDGA to make people dress a certain way? Are we trying to attract ball golf or tennis sponsors? what gives? Restricting the way we dress deludes our diversity. Maybe the PDGA should just insist on polo shirts and slacks? LOL

If the PDGA really thinks collared shirts ios some magic wand then there is nothing wrong with recommending it as the preferred attire of the PDGA. Many, if not most, will conform. Do we really need a dress code?

YES WE DO NEED A DRESS CODE!!!
If putting on a nice collard shirt is too much for you to do in helping to promote the sport of disc golf into the main stream of America then I fill bad to call you a disc golfer. I would much rather have people trying to see the sport grow outward in stead of inward, but I guess some people want a hippie only sport to remain. If you're looking for a sport to play and you're a hippie maybe you should try sky diving with out a parachute, or the longs bong hit you can take or the biggest bong contest, or....

It's not that hard to find a nice fitting collard shirt that will not restrict your movement on the disc golf course. My suggestion to you and every one else is go out and buy some of nice collared shirts if you don't already have them and get used to it.

found it: http://www.rei.com/product/47657078.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_MENS_CLOTHING_TOC

it will grow into $$$ but dgolfers wont see it.. if we sell ourselves out

I'll follow the dress code because that is what the PDGA has decided, because it is not that restrictive, and because it is not that big of a deal. However, I don't pretend that it is anything but an insignificant factor in our overall success. Also, not that we have any big events during excessive heat periods, but I recommend the ability to waive the dress code if conditions warrant it.



I will tell you right now that Image is everything. How someone percieves you is more important that how you actually are. If someone shows up to a tournament and everyone is wearing collared shirts and some sort of Khaki shorts and they are drinking beer smoking herb and swearing and they are going to be percieved and accepted alot more and with less controversy then if they were all dressed like trailer trash slobs. Trust me!!! Image is everything whether you think so or not.

I have done field studies on this type of thing and trust me when I say how you look means everything. I have gone into multiple businesses and stores and restaurants dressed both in urban wear that I own for comfort and chillin with my friends and then walked into that same place either a couple hours later or a couple days later dressed in my Khakis and a collared shirt and button down. If you try it you will also be AMAZED at the difference in treatment and the quality of service. Dressed in my Urban wear it would take atleast 4 to 5 times longer to even have someone ask me if I needed help and in the Khakis and Collared shirt I was greeted immediatley and treated with respect and often got the best service I every expierienced at those places. This is of course complete BS but its how things work. The better look the more your accepted and the easier it is to get people to do things for you.

Who would you rather see on TV. Some guy in cut-off jean shorts, ripped off sleevless T shirt and some 5 year old shoes. Or would you rather see someone in Khaki cargo shorts with a collared shirt and some nice new Soloman shoes on. Your answer may be different then mine but Im telling you the general public would much rather see the later and with the later comes easier sponsorship and more acceptence. Its just how the world works. It may not be fair but thats just the way it is. This country is rund by Corperate Americans!!! Not trailer trash hippies. Not that I have anything against the later but they just dont get the job done.

Sorry if I offended any hippies or people who live in trailor parks during this post. Im just telling you how it is based on what I know and have learned from expierience.

Collared shirts are the way to go anyway. They fit more comfortably and last alot longer then some ratty ace T shirts.

What looks better. A guy in a collared shirt that's drenched with sweat, or a guy in a tee shirt that's cool as a cucumber?

so if i wear a shirt with a collar i sweat, but if i lose the collar i wont sweat anymore??? wow, that is truly a breakthrough in human physiology! i gotta go get me some of those t-shirts things.

I will tell you right now that Image is everything. How someone percieves you is more important that how you actually are.



OR


This is of course complete BS but its how things work.



Which is it?

Is this the way you judge people? Do you look at how they dress and immediately know their character. I hope not. In fact, most people I play golf with are tolerant and look way deeper than clothes. Maybe we should try to appeal to those that think hippies should jump out of planes without chutes. That would be a step forward.

ps. I heard Ted Bundy dressed nice. Clean cut too.

What makes it so hard for some people to get this?

<font color="red">COLLARED SHIRTS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT PDGA DRESS CODE!</font>

Please read my prior post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), quoting the entire dress code section of the Players' Handbook. There are several options by which one could meet the dress code, a collared shirt being just one. "A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable."

Sorry, hippies are my pet peeve.



P.S. I'm really not sorry.

I see your point, but Madonna is not a musician. She is a mediocre crooner and is in no way, shape, or form comparable to the Beatles, either in success or artisitc accomplishment.

i dont know about her way, but her shape and form are vastly superior to the beatles :D

besides, disc golfers arent musicians either. madonna is an entertainer. if DG is to acheive mass market success, it too must become entertainment. BG, with all its staidness, is successful entertainment. extreme sports, with all its rebelliousness, is moderately successful entertainment.

i'll bet we could be successful in collared shirts OR tanktops. i'd prefer the former.

Do sk8erboys wear collared shirts? They make millions.

What about boxers? Collared shirts? Multiple millions.

Swimmers?

It's Ok though because I will look so cool in my REI shirt I just bought thanks to marshief, and nobody will even know I'm a dirty hippie that znash hates.

Which is it?

Is this the way you judge people? <font color="orange"> No its not but it IS how most of the country and world judge people. Its not fair or right but thats how it is. Image is everything. </font> Do you look at how they dress and immediately know their character. I hope not. <font color="orange"> No I dont but you really can tell alot about someone by how they dress and present themselves. Actually peoples shoes are usually a better clue as to what kind of person they are then anything. </font> In fact, most people I play golf with are tolerant and look way deeper than clothes. Maybe we should try to appeal to those that think hippies should jump out of planes without chutes. That would be a step forward. <font color="orange"> If you want to succeed you have to appeal to the majority and im sorry but pot smoking hippies and trailer park trash are NOT the majority and they are sure not the ones who will be putting up the BIG BUCKS for sponsorship either. Take that for what you will but its a fact. </font>

ps. I heard Ted Bundy dressed nice. Clean cut too. <font color="orange"> We are talking about golf here not mass murderers or cereal killers. So that is completely irrelavant </font>

Max, it is a bit underhanded to classify all the people who disagree with you on this issue as whining. Can't you respect those that disagree with you without calling them whiners or suggesting they are people who smoke up between rounds?

Not wearing a collared shirt can be as much about psychological comfort as physical comfort. Can someone force themselves to put on a collared shirt and play even if they are uncomfortable in it? -- of course. But is there really a need for such a rule?

You are suggesting people get creative if they feel constrained by the dress code. But if someone wheres sandals and a tie dyed collared shirt -- do they really look better than someone in real athletic shoes and a nice t shirt or sleeveless athletic shirt? No way.

Minus the dress code the vast majority will wear stuff that conforms to what many of the dress code proponents want anyways. A few will feel more comfortable in something else. As long as it is clean and decent -- what's the problem? Such nonconformists will only accentuate how 'nicely' most PDGA players dress. And it will add color and maybe controversy (which is good for ratings).

Disc Golf should embrace its diverse particpation and market itself as what it is -- not make it into some preppie sport like ball golf or tennis. Collared shirts will not make or break our climb from obscurity. Respectful, skillful, well-organized competition will. Dressing nice is no substitution for playing nice -- and those who fail to make this distinction are missing the point.

my three cents.

PS: in the absence of a dress code, you will be free to wear collared shirts, and i support your right to do so.

I really like you Mills. Your honesty is refreshing, and entertaining.

Cereal killers. :D :D

so is his spelling

cereal killers? They use a spoon instead of a knife?

I really like you Mills. Your honesty is refreshing, and entertaining.

Cereal killers. :D :D



So that's what happened to Tony the Tiger.... :o

whats the use of a collar on a shirt anyway? other than a being a nuisance!!

whats the use of a collar on a shirt anyway? other than a being a nuisance!!



:D how about a rule that all collar proponents must where button up collars with all buttons buttoned-up? :D

whats the use of a collar on a shirt anyway? other than a being a nuisance!!




Ummm, without a collared shirt, how would you 'Pop yo colla'? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D how about a rule that all collar proponents must where button up collars with all buttons buttoned-up? :D



What would happen if my collar got stuck on a branch that is 2.01 meters high? :confused:

I really like you Mills. Your honesty is refreshing, and entertaining.

Cereal killers. :D:D



Its ok that I dont know how to splel becuase atealst Ill look good in my colalred sihrt :D

PS I know all of you are going to laugh when you read that without a single problem :eek: :eek: :eek:

:D how about a rule that all collar proponents must where button up collars with all buttons buttoned-up? :D



What would happen if my collar got stuck on a branch that is 2.01 meters high? :confused:



holy crap thats funny!!

whats the use of a collar on a shirt anyway? other than a being a nuisance!!




Ummm, without a collared shirt, how would you 'Pop yo colla'? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I think shirt collars are useless and stupid!!! for real why wear an extra flap of material at the top of your shirt!! Can you cut the collar off one shirt and wear it on your hat , would that count? or you could attach it to the back of the shirt or something where it does not get in the way!! :D

:D how about a rule that all collar proponents must where button up collars with all buttons buttoned-up? :D



What would happen if my collar got stuck on a branch that is 2.01 meters high? :confused:



I don't know wear , i mean where you would play. Let the TD decide -- and not mandate a penalty in the rules for it :D

What makes it so hard for some people to get this?

<font color="red">COLLARED SHIRTS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT PDGA DRESS CODE!</font>


Please read my prior post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), quoting the entire dress code section of the Players' Handbook. There are several options by which one could meet the dress code, a collared shirt being just one. "A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable."



Jon seems to be on to something here...last time I checked V-necks were not really collars so much as a different cut of a t-shirt. And that link (http://www.rei.com/product/47657078.htm?vcat=REI_SSHP_MENS_CLOTHING_TOC) that was posted to the Mountain Hardware shirts meet two of the definitions...zip collar and fold down. The dress code seems impossibly easy to meet now. Just get rid of those darn cut-offs and get yourself a new shirt. If that price is too steep try other places like Campmor, Sierra Trading Post, your local sporting goods store, etc. I am sure you can find a quality shirt for $20 and under that will meet the dress code.

Don't tell me Mountain Hardware gear is uncomfortable in the heat and hard to do athletics in. That is what they are designed for. There are way too many options under the dress code for anyone to be complaining about its restrictiveness.

i am not complainig about any dress code , i merely do not like collared shirts!! perhaps its because i have to wear one to work!! regardless i think collared shirts are useless!! unless maybe you live in the Hamptons and you know no better!! :D

In fact...surfing the REI site I found this shirt (http://www.rei.com/product/47810168.htm?) . Zip collar meets the dress code if I am not mistaken. Good shirt. Under $20. Granted many of you will not like the color, cut, size, blah, blah, blah. But, it is an example nothing more.

I have to wear collared shirts to work also. Now it makes it easier for me to go directly to the course, just switch the slacks for shorts, and its on. I've been playing casual rounds in collared shirts for about 6 mos., I'm so used to it now that I don't like playing without a collared shirt on.

I just found this thread and am pretty amused. I have two immediate reactions. The first is that if the powers that be have set a rule and ya wanna play follow the rule. Yesterday, Lance Armstrong wanted to start the race without the Yellow Jersey as a sign of respect to Dave Zabriskie, the former wearer of the jersey. The race director told Lance that if he did not wear yellow he would be out of the race. It did not take him long to cave in and don the jersey.

My second thought is that its a silly rule based on a sport aching to lose its image as a "stoner" sport. My wife still calls it such. I understand a rule saying you have to wear something on your bottom and top. No shirt, no play. Wanna limit the content of the messages on the shirt such as profanity? ok by me. No, "@#$&* you" messages. OK. If somebody wants to wear Madonna T shirt, A Beatles T shirt, a Tie Dye? OK by me too. I have worn polos, baseball shirts, T shirts to tournaments. It depends on how I feel. I find that I am moving towards so-called active fabrics which usually do not have a collar. Its just more comfortable. I think the sport gains character when somebody dresses a little different. Most players will look like golfers. Thats the way they want to project themselves. Some like to look like they are going to a Dead concert. Others want to look like they are in the military reserves and out on a mission. Its all good. Footwear? who cares. The NFL allows kickers to kick barefoot. If somebody wants to throw that way let them. Disc golf is not ball golf. Why try to make it so? Fortunately, I do not see a lot of bad plaid or tartan skirts. I have yet to see somebody wearing knickers, but think it would look pretty cool. If somebody wants to dress in a costume and can still throw, ok by me.

I say get a life, get a disc and throw it. That being said, let me know the rules and I will abide. My normal dress is pretty staid, but I enjoy the color when others are more flamboyant.

Come to think of it, Mitch has even gotten several shirts at TARGET that meet dress code. He just chooses to wear collared (polo style) shirts in NTs. We both get the majority of our golfin' gear at Target and REI.

i've seen a guy in texas (i think) wearng knickers while playing in DG events. ugh.

What makes it so hard for some people to get this?

<font color="red">COLLARED SHIRTS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT PDGA DRESS CODE!</font>


Please read my prior post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), quoting the entire dress code section of the Players' Handbook. There are several options by which one could meet the dress code, a collared shirt being just one. "A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable."



Jon seems to be on to something here...last time I checked V-necks were not really collars so much as a different cut of a t-shirt.



So, does this mean that a new t-shirt (that isn't cut off) is legal?
what the heck does "well-tailored" mean?
sounds awfully subjective... most of us don't have personal tailors :confused:

why all the descriptions of different shirts if anything goes? what (that isn't cut-off nor sleeveless) is not legal?

WHy do we need to sell an image? one of the reasons i play this sport is because those Jocks and Other people DON"T PLAY IT.. Why sell an image to people that we dont' want to have an interest in the game.

I like the game beucase it's not too well known.. If everyone played it i'd stop.

WHy are we so worried about selling an image? IT's not all about MONEY!!

-Scott Lewis

rob-if you look back at Jon's original post with the dress code you will notice that T-shirts are okay that are made out of high-tech material and have sleeves.

I would say an undershirt made out of cotton would be illegal. A rock concert 50-50 blend t-shirt would be illegal.

Is cotton high tech? :p

Is cotton high tech? :p



about as high tech as hemp!!!

WHy do we need to sell an image? one of the reasons i play this sport is because those Jocks and Other people DON"T PLAY IT.. Why sell an image to people that we dont' want to have an interest in the game. <font color="orange"> Funny that you say Jocks because almost ALL of the good and great disc golfers were competitors in other sports such as Basketball and Hockey and Tennis and Golf and Baseball and other sports as well before they picked up disc golf. I actually take offence to this comment because I am one of these "Jocks" that you speak of. Sorry about your luck but as the sport grows there will be more and more "Jocks" and athletic types getting involved and dominating. Out of all the top pros can you show me one who isnt a athlete??? I cant think of one that is a beer slugging trashy looking redneck or hippie. Or fat and overweight or unathletic. DARN!!! The Jocks have taken over the upper divisions in out sport. Looks like its time for you to quit Scott. I dont care who plays this sport as long as they dress and look PROFFESIONAL!!! If the reason you play this sport is because people like myself dont play it your playing for all the wrong reasons and your sadly mistaken because alot of the good players now and the up and coming players were Jocks at one point in time or another. Im not saying you have to be but it sure as heck helps to have an athletic Jock background to become great at this sport. I play because it challenging and because its golf and because I love the competition and being outside and challenging myself. I dont play it because certain people do or cetain people dont. I just say wear your collars or Mocks look proffessional and people will start to overlook all the flaws and grap that goes on in our sport. Its a simple fact of life that image and presentation are very very very important and first impressions can destroy images forever. Its better to start out with a good image and destroy it then. Start out with a bad one and try to disprove everyones bad impression of you. Trust me I know all about that :eek: :D </font>

I like the game beucase it's not too well known.. If everyone played it i'd stop. <font color="orange"> Well then your going to stop pretty soon and you started playing for the wrong reasons. Ill be sorry to see you go. </font>

WHy are we so worried about selling an image? IT's not all about MONEY!! <font color="orange"> Yes actually IT IS!!! Why else would you play tournaments or a proffesional sport??? </font> -Scott Lewis

Disc Golf should embrace its diverse particpation and market itself as what it is -- not make it into some preppie sport like ball golf or tennis. Collared shirts will not make or break our climb from obscurity. Respectful, skillful, well-organized competition will. Dressing nice is no substitution for playing nice -- and those who fail to make this distinction are missing the point.


So which is it: do you want the status quo to remain, or would you like to see the sport go somewhere? Is playing for each other's entry fee good, or would you like to see big purses for the top dogs? Would you like to see disc golf on TV some day, or would you rather be able to still show up to Worlds and see a plethora of pot-leaf t-shirts everywhere?

Even though I'll never contend for it, I'd like to see the sport progress to the point where a bunch of people can make a real living playing it. If it gets to that point, the tourneys I am allowed to play in will be similar to ball golf course or city championships and the dreaded dress code won't be much.

The tournaments that we are talking about here for dress code, the majors like Worlds and stuff, are the ones where the serious coin will be won if we ever get serious coin to play for. Is it really that big a deal to dress up a little tiny bit for the few biggest touneys of the year, in hopes of seeing the sport go somewhere?

If we never get there it's not that big of a deal. I like being able to go play in the World Championships and the USDGC. In the real world, my level of play should never allow me to get into such big tourneys, but what the heck. I still enjoy it. The unfortunate side effect is that the guys who shoot 10 strokes better than me per round are just like me: basically playing for fun, whether they are having fun or not.

My arguments weren't toward collared shirts in general. It was toward a dress code that is any more specific than having shorts/pants and a shirt on. Anything more shouldn't be necessary.

A reply to a different reply: If there are millions of dollars in this sport and you say it's fine that we have to wear collared shirts then it is all about the money.. I'm not in it for the money.. and why would you be trying to make a career out of disgolf?

-Scott Lewis

If there are millions of dollars in this sport and you say it's fine that we have to wear collared shirts then it is all about the money.. I'm not in it for the money.. and why would you be trying to make a career out of disgolf?



My response to that is WHY THE HECK NOT???

Thats like asking why try and make a living at basketball or why try and make a livin in Snowboarding or Golf or baseball or lacrosse or soccer or bowling or ANY of those sports when they first started(no one would have ever made a living off of those when they first started. My second answer to why is because it would be amazing to have a job doing what I love to do more then anything in the world. And that is play disc golf!!!

Fo shizzle Pimp!

Tie-die collared shirt is the best way to meld our rich heritage with a move forward.

...a well-tailored one, eh? ;)

My only beef with a dress code is the tucked in part. I don't want to tuck my shirt in, it is uncomfortable and makes me feel like I am wearing a jacket when I try to drive.

I think collared shirts are stupid, but the collared shirt doesn't affect my game, tucking my shirt does.

I believe you only have to tuck-in if it is a TD specified rule, or if your shirt is longer than your shorts.

I didn't realize that there is a 'tuck' rule...What The Tuck??...Oh well, I guess I can still sag with my shirt tucked in /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

yup, only if it's longer than your shorts


* Shirts that hang down lower than the bottom hemline on the player's shorts shall be tucked in.


from Jon's initial post of the dress code (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1)

I think we all should wear collared shirts like professional bowlers wear...we could all have our signatures embroidered on the back of our shirt, nice and big so everyone can see it. Leaves plenty of room for sponsors also /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

yup, only if it's longer than your shorts



OK. That makes more sense.

Bowler shirts would be legal. That gives me an idea...How sweet would bowler shirts be for a club or tourney shirt?

forgot to mention that if your shirt is longer than your shorts, then either your shorts are WAAAAAAY too short or your shirt is ridiculously huge. :D although as I understand it a TD can impose such a rule on a tournament by tournament basis (but it must or at least should be advertised beforehand?)

Bowler shirts would be legal. That gives me an idea...How sweet would bowler shirts be for a club or tourney shirt?



Good idea off my idea...your idea gave me an idea...this board is great!! I take that back it would be great is we still had post counts :D

Bowler shirts would be legal. That gives me an idea...How sweet would bowler shirts be for a club or tourney shirt?



Good idea off my idea...your idea gave me an idea...this board is great!! I take that back it would be great is we still had post counts :D



Do tell your idea so that I can get an idea and then maybe a clue!

lol!!

ajones, do you know Justin Archambo from Boise?? He moved there from Tulsa last year, just wondering if he still plays much golf...thanks.

i like mine with extra garlic and sugar.

I am an east sider not a Boise chump. I haven't gotten to too many tournies this year. Not a lot happening in Idaho disc golf this year. There is a Gem State Disc Golf site somewhere out there on the web that I think has a forum you could check for him there.

AM worlds 2005 is supposed to be rainy--apparently August in Flagstaff AZ is prone to afternoon thunderstorms.

What kind of shirt material is good at being wet and not weighing a lot? I think my cotton polos will be very heavy once wet...
Cheers,
Steve

yup, only if it's longer than your shorts


* Shirts that hang down lower than the bottom hemline on the player's shorts shall be tucked in.


from Jon's initial post of the dress code (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1)



This just made my day. I was unaware that there was a length rule. My collared shirts don't go down that far, so that is wonderful, thank you.

bamboo cloth sheds water very quickly.

sooner or later all y'all will realize i know what i'm talking about when it comes to both shirts AND shoes :D:D:D

AM worlds 2005 is supposed to be rainy--apparently August in Flagstaff AZ is prone to afternoon thunderstorms.

What kind of shirt material is good at being wet and not weighing a lot? I think my cotton polos will be very heavy once wet...
Cheers,
Steve



Coolmax.

AM worlds 2005 is supposed to be rainy--apparently August in Flagstaff AZ is prone to afternoon thunderstorms.

What kind of shirt material is good at being wet and not weighing a lot? I think my cotton polos will be very heavy once wet...
Cheers,
Steve



Steve, find that link to the Mountain Hardware shirt. Check out those types of material. Any material that is good at wicking is generally good at drying too. You might be able to find something in kayak gear also. Cotton will be terrible when wet.
Know also that rain in a place like Flagstaff is not like rain in other parts of the country. You might get lots of rain in a short amount of time with the sun and low humidity to follow shortly after. High desert rain is rad in my book.

Nike. DryFit. Professional and comfortable. :D

... and costs way too much for someone that's always throwing in the shule. :)

$5 shirts are good for disc golf. Who wants to get their $30 and up shirts torn and snagged? Not I.

I have a bunch of Dri-Fit Collared Starter shirts that I got from Wal-Mart for $8 a piece.

sheesh, i gotta hit walmart. $8 a pop for drifit collards? I'm there :cool:

$8 shirts can be good for disc golf too.

I would say its about the money. Baskets cost money, land costs money. Say you have a tourney, city managers come out...they need to be impressed a little in order to spend some money on DG (maybe it shouldn't be this way, but it is).

Greatfull Dead and Phish t's while they may be cool don't look as good as a polo on TV, and that would be where most people (tax payers) get their info.

So when that bond vote comes up to buy a little more land for a public DG park who do we want to be represented by? As shallow as it may sound, the clothes do affect the way people think of this sport. This is true in all sports...I watch womens beach volley ball for more than just the hard spikes.

Of course the above doesn't even delve into the areas of sponsors and advertising.

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?


Are you comparing what you do on the course to what an NBA player does on the court?

Do you think NBA players would make less money if they showed up to games in raggedy pot-leaf t-shirts and torn shorts?

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?



Maybe. They might pay less in child support because they wouldn't look as cool.

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?



I believe you'll notice that these NBA players wear suits to and from the game. They change into their uniforms when they get there. They also wear suits whenever they have press conferences, public appearances, etc.

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?


Are you comparing what you do on the course to what an NBA player does on the court?



Not even close. I just don't think sponsorship dollars are as dependent on whether you wear sleeves and a collar, mock, vee or whatever the exceptions are.


Do you think NBA players would make less money if they showed up to games in raggedy pot-leaf t-shirts and torn shorts?



They play a team game. They should wear uniforms. Pot shirts and torn shorts would hurt their ability to generate revenue. I don't want to see that at PDGA events either.

If we wear it, they will come.

I guess ESPN has been patiently waiting, wanting desperately to air disc golf. However, when the producer arrived, he saw white trash and hippies and decided to air the croquet tourney instead. Why? By god, those people looked sharp.

But now, we have embraced a new image. No, I mean with our new clothes, we ARE new people altogether. Corporate. Respectable. Visually worthy. ESPN is fixin to pounce.

Costco has been selling Fila dry-fit collared shirts for $12.

I guess ESPN has been patiently waiting, wanting desperately to air disc golf. However, when the producer arrived, he saw white trash and hippies and decided to air the croquet tourney instead.


From what I've heard, you are pretty much spot-on with your not-exaggerated scenario. Not that ESPN was desperate for disc golf, but I have heard that at one point in the past they were willing to check it out.

Supposedly they checked it out and passed.

Really? Well, we've been looking good for a year or more now. When will those big trucks arrive?

I have an idea, how about if we all pretend to be something we aren't in order to gain acceptance from other lemmings so that we can join in on worshipping the almighty dollar? :cool:

I mean seriously, who needs culture and character when you can have cash and clones?

Please read my previous post on this thread where I said I liked being able to play Worlds and USDGC.

But also please decide what you would like: the status quo or better payouts and real tour for professionals.

Please don't whine and cry about how nobody knows about disc golf and all we do is play for each other's entries, and then also whine and cry about how 'orrible it would be to have put on a certain style shirt when you played in one of maybe 6 tourneys each year.

You're a funny little man Rhett.

You have this odd tendency to think that the world is out to butt heads with you, which isn't the case nearly as often as you state.

Sometimes your ignorance precedes you. And on that note I will withdraw myself from your biased thread, and allow you to speak your opinion in peace without threat of any other opinion that might not agree with yours lingering about to foil your valiant efforts to save the world of Disc Golf from itself.



But also please decide what you would like: the status quo or better payouts and real tour for professionals.


Actually, I want both to retain my culture and character without selling out and conforming while making a lot of money someday playing this sport. Your problem as I see it is that you don't seem to believe that the two can go hand in hand. "In order to get this we must do this"?! I think that there might be a better way that will allow us to not become lemmings and conform to whatever the man with the $$ tells us to. Face up to it, we are white trash, and I don't care if E$PN isn't willing to contract with us at the moment. When enough people are playing this sport they will ask for us, until then I would rather not get on my knees and beg them with stupid compromises. "What if we wear collared shirts? What if we pretend that most of us are not potheads? What if we do whatever you ask? Then will you air our sport? What if Rhett cuts his hair?" Maybe we should let the natural evolution of the sport take the wheel and drive.

Rhett, I know you think I have a big problem with you. Well, I don't, I have a lot of little problems with you, but not a big one. I actually like you, but I feel you are too easily sold-out and I think you have your eyes closed on a few issues. I don't like being called a whiner or a crybaby much, because I don't think I am either one of those things. The things I say, I say because I think they need to be heard amidst a sea of opposition on this board that is predominantly facing the other direction. Most disc golfers don't read this thread, and it would be a disservice to them for anyone to think that opinions such as the one we are discussing is totally one sided, because that is definitely not the case, and in an issue such as this, the majority of everyday golfers seems to be stacked the other way at least from my perspective.

Ok, I feel I am saying the same thing over and over again, so I will bring this to a close. And I will allow you to get back to calling me names that don't fit, and such, without fear of retribution, or someone questioning authority, since that is wrong, right?

Cheers,
Ryan Gwillim
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Sorry about that. The "whining and crying" comment wasn't meant for you, Ryan. It was meant for those who complain about lack of payout and lack of media overage and then complain about doing anything to change that. I apologize for putting it in the reply to you without clarifying that.

I have opinions about this stuff, and of course I think they're "right". :) There are a lot of things that I think could be a lot better, but I still play and I still enjoy tournaments. And even though I present my opinions in absolutes, I will continue to play even if nothing in this sport ever changes.

It would be nice to see some chages, though. It would be nice to see some of San Diego's top pros a little happier because there was some actual money to be made for being such good players. But it won't kill me if that doesn't happen.

I do like that you don't agree with me and call me on my crap. And no, I don't think you have a big problem with me. A actually do like you. It's good to see some new blood with some new ideas step up and actually do stuff. Even if I disagreed with everything you did, which I don't, I respect that.

Okay, enough with the love fest...

Hey Marsha you sure talk about mitch and his clothes a lot. What's with that?

mitch and marsha sitting in a tree....

Would NBA players be making even more money if they followed the PDGA Major dress code?



Maybe. They might pay less in child support because they wouldn't look as cool.



tony , tony thats just wrong!!LMAO :D

Where are the reporter's and camera's ?

Not too worried about shirts. Where's my Golf Cart !!!!! :D

Really? Well, we've been looking good for a year or more now. When will those big trucks arrive?



I think what's missing is a message on all of our collared shirts which says:
"this is well-tailored, shirt -- is this the sport for you or what?"
/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
maybe the text message can be improved upon before we write it into our dress code...?

Well..............I'll wear a Collard Shirt , if I'm paid to do so.

Disc Golf should embrace its diverse particpation and market itself as what it is -- not make it into some preppie sport like ball golf or tennis. Collared shirts will not make or break our climb from obscurity. Respectful, skillful, well-organized competition will. Dressing nice is no substitution for playing nice -- and those who fail to make this distinction are missing the point.


So which is it: do you want the status quo to remain, or would you like to see the sport go somewhere? Is playing for each other's entry fee good, or would you like to see big purses for the top dogs? Would you like to see disc golf on TV some day, or would you rather be able to still show up to Worlds and see a plethora of pot-leaf t-shirts everywhere?

<font color="blue"> i don't buy your either-or premise Rhett. First, the top players are sponsored and their sponsors have a say in what they wear. Right there you can be assured it won't be pot leafs. I've never seen a pot-leaf t-shirt at a PDGA sanctioned event -- no matter how low the tier. Do you see a lot more in California? Do you really think in the absence of a collared shirt requirement that most entrants will wear bad looking shirts? If yes, then you are negatively stereotyping disc golfers -- the very population you seek to promote :D</font>

Even though I'll never contend for it, I'd like to see the sport progress to the point where a bunch of people can make a real living playing it. If it gets to that point, the tourneys I am allowed to play in will be similar to ball golf course or city championships and the dreaded dress code won't be much.

The tournaments that we are talking about here for dress code, the majors like Worlds and stuff, are the ones where the serious coin will be won if we ever get serious coin to play for. Is it really that big a deal to dress up a little tiny bit for the few biggest touneys of the year, in hopes of seeing the sport go somewhere?

If we never get there it's not that big of a deal. I like being able to go play in the World Championships and the USDGC. In the real world, my level of play should never allow me to get into such big tourneys, but what the heck. I still enjoy it. The unfortunate side effect is that the guys who shoot 10 strokes better than me per round are just like me: basically playing for fun, whether they are having fun or not.



<font color="blue"> are you seriously suggesting that it is the absence of collared well-tailored shirts that is stopping our sport from taking off? give me a break! We could easily have a less restrictive dress code that simply delineates the conditons which might lead a TD to ask a player to either withdraw or dress more appropriately. Wearing an athletic sleeveless shirt, or a clean t-shirt would not be prohibited. Climo, Schultz, et al will be in collared shirts and so will the vast majority of us Climo wannabes. Nothing wrong with that. But if Johnny-come- lately doesn't like collars -- give him enough leeway to wear a t-shirt as long as it isn't ragged and doesn't harbor offensive language. Noone is suggesting we prohibit collared shirts, and it seems to me at least a little bit silly to suggest requiring collared shirts is THE answer </font>

Disc Golf should embrace its diverse particpation and market itself as what it is -- not make it into some preppie sport like ball golf or tennis. Collared shirts will not make or break our climb from obscurity. Respectful, skillful, well-organized competition will. Dressing nice is no substitution for playing nice -- and those who fail to make this distinction are missing the point.


So which is it: do you want the status quo to remain, or would you like to see the sport go somewhere? Is playing for each other's entry fee good, or would you like to see big purses for the top dogs? Would you like to see disc golf on TV some day, or would you rather be able to still show up to Worlds and see a plethora of pot-leaf t-shirts everywhere?

<font color="blue"> i don't buy your either-or premise Rhett. First, the top players are sponsored and their sponsors have a say in what they wear. Right there you can be assured it won't be pot leafs. I've never seen a pot-leaf t-shirt at a PDGA sanctioned event -- no matter how low the tier. Do you see a lot more in California? Do you really think in the absence of a collared shirt requirement that most entrants will wear bad looking shirts? If yes, then you are negatively stereotyping disc golfers -- the very population you seek to promote :D</font>

Even though I'll never contend for it, I'd like to see the sport progress to the point where a bunch of people can make a real living playing it. If it gets to that point, the tourneys I am allowed to play in will be similar to ball golf course or city championships and the dreaded dress code won't be much.

The tournaments that we are talking about here for dress code, the majors like Worlds and stuff, are the ones where the serious coin will be won if we ever get serious coin to play for. Is it really that big a deal to dress up a little tiny bit for the few biggest touneys of the year, in hopes of seeing the sport go somewhere?

If we never get there it's not that big of a deal. I like being able to go play in the World Championships and the USDGC. In the real world, my level of play should never allow me to get into such big tourneys, but what the heck. I still enjoy it. The unfortunate side effect is that the guys who shoot 10 strokes better than me per round are just like me: basically playing for fun, whether they are having fun or not.



<font color="blue"> are you seriously suggesting that it is the absence of collared well-tailored shirts that is stopping our sport from taking off? give me a break! We could easily have a less restrictive dress code that simply delineates the conditons which might lead a TD to ask a player to either withdraw or dress more appropriately. Wearing an athletic sleeveless shirt, or a clean t-shirt would not be prohibited. Climo, Schultz, et al will be in collared shirts and so will the vast majority of us Climo wannabes. Nothing wrong with that. But if Johnny-come- lately doesn't like collars -- give him enough leeway to wear a t-shirt as long as it isn't ragged and doesn't harbor offensive language. Noone is suggesting we prohibit collared shirts, and it seems to me at least a little bit silly to suggest requiring collared shirts is THE answer </font>



Wow...........Cali gets a bad rap.

Is it not where Disc Golf Started ?

I don't smoke pot, but the laws that make it illegal and alcohol legal are rather absurd. Rhett brought up pot-leaf shirts and i've never seen one at a pdga (or even non-pdga) disc golf event, so I was wondering if he has... Pro medical marijuana shirts shouldn't count :D

I don't smoke pot, but the laws that make it illegal and alcohol legal are rather absurd. Rhett brought up pot-leaf shirts and i've never seen one at a pdga (or even non-pdga) disc golf event, so I was wondering if he has... Pro medical marijuana shirts shouldn't count :D

http://pictureposter.allbrand.nu/pictures/nefertiti0501/hypocrit.gif

are pot leaf shirts that are well-tailored and have collars legal? :confused: :eek: :D

Sorry about that. The "whining and crying" comment wasn't meant for you, Ryan. It was meant for those who complain about lack of payout and lack of media overage and then complain about doing anything to change that. I apologize for putting it in the reply to you without clarifying that.

I have opinions about this stuff, and of course I think they're "right". :) There are a lot of things that I think could be a lot better, but I still play and I still enjoy tournaments. And even though I present my opinions in absolutes, I will continue to play even if nothing in this sport ever changes.

It would be nice to see some chages, though. It would be nice to see some of San Diego's top pros a little happier because there was some actual money to be made for being such good players. But it won't kill me if that doesn't happen.

I do like that you don't agree with me and call me on my crap. And no, I don't think you have a big problem with me. A actually do like you. It's good to see some new blood with some new ideas step up and actually do stuff. Even if I disagreed with everything you did, which I don't, I respect that.

Okay, enough with the love fest...


Dangit I hate the internet, makes it so hard to see who is yelling at who.

I'm cool, glad we like eachother and all. Now how about a round at EI? $50 straight up?

<marquee><h1>Make collared shirts mandatory, and keep the 2 meter rule /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif</h1></marquee>

Why?

good question, as both are extra baggage

Why?



I don't know...I think we would look cooler wearing collared shirts while throwing rocks at our penalized disc that got stuck in a tree 2.01+ meters high. :D

Just out of curiousity, of all the people who have been posting on here, how many will actually or have gone to a tournament that the dress code applies to?

I personally have not, and probably will not.

Me.

me 2

Quite a few

I played the Memorial this year. I wore a collared shirt every time I played the course including a warm up on Thursday. I played all three rounds with a guy in t-shirt with the sleeves cut off.

I've been playing all my rounds in collared shirts with sleeves since January. I don't mind the collar. It doesn't bother me at all. When it's hot and I'm sweating, I wish I wasn't wearing sleeves, especially when putting.

I don't think "well tailored" sleeveless t-shirts look all that bad. We're running around in the park in 100 degree weather. There's no reason to pretend we're at a country club. I'd like for the PDGA to relax the dress code at majors. I won't stop playing, like Max suggested, since I don't like the rule, but I will vote for less restriction when given the oppurtunity and voice my opinion on the matter when sent a survey by the PDGA.

I'd like for the PDGA to relax the dress code at majors. I won't stop playing, like Max suggested, since I don't like the rule, but I will vote for less restriction when given the oppurtunity and voice my opinion on the matter when sent a survey by the PDGA.



It's on your ballot for this year's election. You have been given the opportunity to voice your opinion. Another service of the PDGA!

My vote went to "It's too restrictive. The dress code should better reflect the athletic and alternative nature of our sport. Clean and neat attire should be all that's required."

I don't much care about the "alternative nature" of disc golf but it I'm more comfortable and my motion less restricted without sleeves, especially when putting on a hot and humid day.



Done. Thanks, Jon.

Just out of curiousity, of all the people who have been posting on here, how many will actually or have gone to a tournament that the dress code applies to?

About 4 NT/Major rounds last several years, albeit strictly as a Spotter, and I plan on bringing my own. ;)

I usually like to look Pro , even though I may not always play like one. :eek:

I personally like Nike's Golf Dry Fit. Wick's sweat away and looks great when your tired. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I usually like to look Pro , even though I may not always play like one. :eek:

I personally like Nike's Golf Dry Fit. Wick's sweat away and looks great when your tired. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


I can vouch for Donny looking great! :eek:

You could just buy a white polo and tye-dye it yourself. You are within the rules that way I believe.
:p

Is it better to Feel Marvelous or to Look Marvelous !!!!!!! :D

You look Marvelous :cool: I feel Marvelous :cool:

I've been wearing nice shirts at tournaments since I played in the Circular Skies event in Athens, TX in 1991. We got to play on a ball golf course that was at the Pinnacle Country Club. The course wasn't being used by the club at the time, but the rule was players had to wear a collared shirt. I didn't have one when I showed up, but John Houck just happened to have some for sale. I didn't play all that great, but it wasn't the shirt's fault. There are plenty of options available now, so there really is no solid reason for looking shabby at tournaments (just in case the media shows up and wants to put you on film!).

Rhett brought up pot-leaf shirts and i've never seen one at a pdga (or even non-pdga) disc golf event, so I was wondering if he has...

I can't remember the last tourney where I have NOT seen a pot related T-shirt or disc. Of course, I live in the Pac NW and things may be different up here...

If I'm sponsored by , lets say DGA ( I wish ) , I would represent my sponsor with professionalism , respect towards others and promote my sponsor fully !!!!!!!

Absolutely , I would wear a Collarded Embroidered DGA Shirt at ALL tournaments and public appearances.

That is just part of the contractual agreement made with ANY sponsorship.

We all choose , which company and/or brands we like.

And trust me , now , more than ever , there is alot more to choose from.

I love DGA products , for example.

I love Innova Products as well.

I love Nike Products too.

These are some of my personal examples of products , I prefer over other Products.

Are these Companys Great ? I think so. They work excellent for me. Would not trade them.

Other folks , choose other excellent company brands , that work well for them. No Problem. I Respect their choices.

The thing is , our Sport is in a transitioning period.

What do we need to do , to get to the next level ?

Professional Business's are out there for Marketing purposes.

How do we , as players , attract potential Corporate Sponsors ? It takes alot of corridinated effort and volunteer's.

Television , Radio , Media coverage is sometimes expensive. :eek:

I'm trying to get into Radio , however , this is taking more time than I though. Connections help.

Now , back to the Collared Shirts.

Is there a World Corporate Sponsor for Collared Shirts , we can approach ? For starters , I'd like to contact Nike!!! :)

yo i found more of the 70% bamboo, 30% cotton golf shirts here in arlington.

they are available in white, navy, and black, and in M, L and XL, for 16.99 plus 8.0% sales tax.

these are very sweet. i have been wearing them all this summer in the texas heat for all rounds including lunchtime practice rounds, and i've never been more comfortable. sure, i still sweat, but these shirts are very good at absorbing and evaporatingthe moisture.

if anyone wants some, PM me and i'll be happy to pick them up and ship to you.

no XXL? what not enuff bamboo :confused:

yeah i was wondering that also. i'll see if they can get some. 2X or even 3X

Are all you collared shirt proponents missing the fact that the best players are sponsored and their sponsors tell them what type of attire will be acceptable? What that means is they are going to look just fine without PDGA dress mandates. Why not let Innova, Discraft, Gateway, etc. have 'well-tailored' [ :D] athletic sleeveless shirts of 'hi-tech' [ :D] material (bamboo, etc. [ :D] made with their logo on it for players who prefer that option?

What gets me is when someone suggests that if your not in a polo shirt you look shabby. What makes one look shabby is throwing temper tantrums or screaming at TD's -- irrespective of how sharply one is dressed. What percentage of Olympic athletes wear collared shirts? Their attire looks fine to me and to the media that covers them.

If it makes the BoD feel better to have a dress code then make it as least restrictive as possible. Sponsored players will set the tone and exceptions to that rule will only highlight how good most top disc golfers look.

That bamboo fabric looks very wrinkly. Is it?

yeah i was wondering that also. i'll see if they can get some. 2X or even 3X



Interesting........Hmmmmm..... Does Bamboo strech ?

How light is the Fabric ? Is it Embroiderable ?

Does it last after 25 washes ? Can you put it in a Dryer , without shrinking ?

Just asking. May want to try a couple of 2X's in White or Green. :D

Are all you collared shirt proponents missing the fact that the best players are sponsored and their sponsors tell them what type of attire will be acceptable? What that means is they are going to look just fine without PDGA dress mandates. Why not let Innova, Discraft, Gateway, etc. have 'well-tailored' [ :D] athletic sleeveless shirts of 'hi-tech' [ :D] material (bamboo, etc. [ :D] made with their logo on it for players who prefer that option?

What gets me is when someone suggests that if your not in a polo shirt you look shabby. What makes one look shabby is throwing temper tantrums or screaming at TD's -- irrespective of how sharply one is dressed. What percentage of Olympic athletes wear collared shirts? Their attire looks fine to me and to the media that covers them.

If it makes the BoD feel better to have a dress code then make it as least restrictive as possible. Sponsored players will set the tone and exceptions to that rule will only highlight how good most top disc golfers look.



Rob,

Would you please go back and read the dress code? Then, please show me in the dress code where it says collared shirts are required.

Re: Olympic athletes. Each sport has its own dress standards. Track and field wear shorts and singlets, cyclists wear jerseys, and table tennis players (who certainly are more athletic than disc golfers) wear (OH NO) polo shirts with shorts!

Moving away from the collared shirt requirement and allowing many styles of shirts was felt by the Board to be as "least restrictive as possible" for Majors and NT's. The tone has been set. There are no exceptions. The dress code may be revisited in the future and may become more or less restrictive. But for now, it is what it is, and it will be enforced at Worlds, Majors, and NT events.

Thank you,

Jon,

I was speaking more to the collared shirt proponents here, but as to your question to me, please see my post halfway into this thread in which i asked for some clarification regarding that issue->



What makes it so hard for some people to get this?

<font color="red">COLLARED SHIRTS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT PDGA DRESS CODE!</font>


Please read my prior post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=402013&amp;page=0&amp;view=collap sed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=3&amp;vc=1), quoting the entire dress code section of the Players' Handbook. There are several options by which one could meet the dress code, a collared shirt being just one. "A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable."



Jon seems to be on to something here...last time I checked V-necks were not really collars so much as a different cut of a t-shirt.



So, does this mean that a new t-shirt (that isn't cut off) is legal?
what the heck does "well-tailored" mean?
sounds awfully subjective... most of us don't have personal tailors :confused:

why all the descriptions of different shirts if anything goes? what (that isn't cut-off nor sleeveless) is not legal?



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I appreciate your clarifying what the rules are this year and I'll abide by them should I have the time and money to attend a major event. I do appreciate that the BoD loosened up on going for a Brady Bunch look. It's a step in the right direction. But a simple statement of what isn't acceptable attire might be simpler for all parties involved (those trying to conform to the rules and those trying to enforce them).

Disc golfers should be required to wear hippie cloths

I'm thinking the rule should be you have to look authenticly cool. If you look good on video in a sleeveless shirt -- no problem. If you look bad in the best polo shirt made -- you're DQ'ed. We must present the right image and if plastic surgery and lipo suction are what it will take -- well, get it done and quit holding back our sport. Afterall, your body should look 'well-tailored' too. Obviously cigarette smoking is out (well, until Philip Morris waives the almighty dollar at us). No old discs or old bags (no matter how dear) either -- we do have an image to maintain. No piercings; no visible tattoos.

If you suggest, let alone explain, that our sport's popularity and media coverage will hinge on interest in the game itself, and on the character of the people who play -- well I'd say you should be kicked out of the PDGA (with, of course, a partial refund).

Magazine advertisements clearly demonstrate that if you wear smart-looking clothes success &amp; fame will inevitably follow.

Disc golfers should be required to wear hippie cloths


i think that is almost mandatory at the legendary octoberfriz in kansas. :D

Hemp Cloth is alot stronger than Cotton !!!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I use to play with no shirt on back in the day, till I started playing tournamernt. Then to get use to it, I started playing with shirts on.

When the Circular Skies tour started requiring Collared shirts, i started to wherer them for PDGA event. I still do most of the time.

I purchased several white cotton Mr. Jim's logoed shirts that I use at most events. I even have takin 4 different colors and changed every round. (actually, it is nice to change shirts between rounds, gives you a fresh feeling) Of course I had to wear purple in the final round to be like Tiger.

As far as B-tier and lower tournament, the only requirement I see that needs to be followed is actually wearing a shirt.

Every year I have to say something to at least one Rec player. (or Denny Ortiega)

if you don't want to ever follow the dress code of a tournament, don't play it. It is that easy.

As far as Golf. They have requirements to even play a casual round.

As far as Pro Golfers - They have a dress code much more strick than ours. Even Tennis has a dress code.

And YES, MLB, NFL and NBA players all have dress codes that include any public appearance. If not in uniform, they must wear a suit.

Are there any racquetball players out there?

I played a lot before taking up Disc Golf. At most tournaments, part of the player package was a collared shirt. Sure , there were some of the lower division players with regular t-shirts, or even tank tops, but all of the upper division (B, A, and Open) players wore collared shirts (and at the local level, almost none of those people are sponsored). Maybe it was just the fact that they want to look their best if they played well and got to play in the glass courts, or maybe they were trying to impress the chicks at the club, who knows?

Are these Professional Athletes , paid to wear Uniforms ? :eek:

The reason I'm asking is , I am my own Sponsor.

I'm not Paid to wear a Collared shirt for Advertising Promotions , Nor am asked by the Media for Appearances. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If I am under Contract , with a Sponsor , I can totally see the difference.

If you want to look like a dirty hippie then dress like a dirty hippie, if you want to look like a professional disc golfer put your **** collared shirt on.

Are these Professional Athletes , paid to wear Uniforms ? :eek:


No their just fined if they don't wear their uniforms, even if they wear the wrong colored socks.

I've been wearing nice shirts at tournaments since I played in the Circular Skies event in Athens, TX in 1991. .... There are plenty of options available now, so there really is no solid reason for looking shabby at tournaments (just in case the media shows up and wants to put you on film!).



Still waiting for the media to show up after 14 years of playing in a collared shirt. You'd think ESPN would've been all over it by now. :D

I don't think I look like a dirty Hippie when I don't have a collar. :mad:
I shower every day :D

I don't think I look like a dirty Hippie when I don't have a collar. :mad:
I shower every day :D



Exactly, and there are those who wear nice collars but smell bad and have lousy character. Zack, why do you have a problem with hippies and who falls into this category for you? Anyone with long hair? Someone who prefers peace and cooperation over war? Someone who likes colorful, as opposed to conservative, clothing? Someone who likes music from the 60's?

The founders of our sport? :o

If we want to appeal to young people, is requiring preppie clothes really the answer?

T-Shirts come in many players packs so everyone wants to show that they played in (insert name here) tourny.Put a collared shirt in the players packs if you want to see more of them. :confused:

What do you think that'd do to the entry fees? I wouldn't want to spend an extra $20 or so to enter a tourney, just so I could get a collared shirt from the TD.

Hippie --- members of the 1960s counterculture movement who adopted a communal or nomadic lifestyle, renounced corporate nationalism and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Buddhism, Hinduism, and/or Native American religious culture, and were otherwise at odds with traditional middle class Western values. They saw paternalistic government, corporate industry, and traditional social mores as part of a unified establishment that had no authentic legitimacy.

Today, the term more often applies to someone who rejects the established culture; who advocates extreme liberalism in politics and lifestyle

The word "hippie" as used above, is also often used in a derogatory sense, to describe long-haired unkempt drug users, who by "Beatnik" standards was someone that was not "Hip" or "aware" or "cleaver" enough to really be "hip".

The eschewing of collard shirts (representing conformity to The Establishment) would be in line with Hippie philosophies.

embraced aspects of Buddhism, Hinduism, and/or Native American religious culture

YES! people who embrace those values MUST be labelled and marginalized ASAP!


..someone that was not "Hip" or "aware" or "cleaver" enough to really be "hip".

as opposed to a TEXAS REPUBLICAN, who is someone not "cleaver" enough to spel.

:D:D:D

Does this subject really need this much debate? If you can't conform to the dress code then don't play in those events that require it plain and simple. The BOD will no go backwards on this issue. Nobody wants to see us on TV wearing questionable clothing.

For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant. To grow our sport we need to convince sponsors and the public that what we do is worth supporting otherwise we will never achieve the recognition we deserve.

Those crazy hippies were some of the early environmentalists too, espousing that crazy theory that man was primarily responsible for global warming, kooks, every one.

Does this subject really need this much debate? If you can't conform to the dress code then don't play in those events that require it plain and simple. The BOD will no go backwards on this issue. Nobody wants to see us on TV wearing questionable clothing.

For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant. To grow our sport we need to convince sponsors and the public that what we do is worth supporting otherwise we will never achieve the recognition we deserve.



Just give everyone a chance to NOT argue about the 2M rule for a few days...

Wow, you people in Michigan really are into


For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant.



Maybe, just maybe, it's not how we dress. More importantly, it is probably not about who we actually are either. Maybe, we aren't bigtime because we are smalltime. You know, not enough people play disc golf and consequently, not many people want to watch it, live or on tv. I mean, as someone who has actually travelled to watch disc golfers play, and watched on tv, I know that I would not have done it if not for quality dress. :p

ps. I have nothing against the dress code, but spare me the conclusions that the whole world is superficial and that it is simply appearance that prevents the sport from progressing.

Does this subject really need this much debate? If you can't conform to the dress code then don't play in those events that require it plain and simple. The BOD will no go backwards on this issue. Nobody wants to see us on TV wearing questionable clothing.

For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant. To grow our sport we need to convince sponsors and the public that what we do is worth supporting otherwise we will never achieve the recognition we deserve.



Just give everyone a chance to NOT argue about the 2M rule for a few days...



Yeah, but how easy is it to go retrieve that non-penalized disc fifty feet up in a tree when you are wearing a nice shirt? Man the rules committee obviously forgot to think of the NT ramifications of this. :D

For those out there looking for a deal on a collared shirt, eastbay.com has Rugby shirts for $1.99 plus $7 shipping right now. I'm sure quantities are limited. Everyone buy these so we can all match at our next event! Think of how embarassing it would be to show up in a NON rugby collared shirt!

If you believe that perception = superficial I think you need to get out of the outhouse and into the real world :DLike it or not first impressions influence people for long periods of time and changing those perceptions takes quite a long time.

The general public has no idea of what we are about so if they were to see footage of some dude in a wife beater making a 100 foot put to win a major tournament. The image they come away with is un-professional to say the least.

The more I read this thread, the more confused I am. I assumed (wrongly apparently) that the reason behind the dress code was simply to look presentable. You know, put on a shirt or something better than an undershirt.

However, it is becoming apparent that many people see this policy as a vehicle for exclusion or for projecting an image. For the less than inclusive crowd, the image is apparently "no f'ing hippies or no f'ing white trash." For the inferiority-ridden crowd, they want to project an image of corporateness or appeal to the frat boy lineage because that is the way of the world by god. I guess the theory is "look like a frat boy, people will be impressed and be willing to watch, play with, and sponsor you." I can understand the just look decent crowd, but the second group are basically the worst kind of rednecks or people uncomfortable with who they are or how they are perceived.

Anyways, back to the real point. People don't watch disc golf because not enough people play, it has nothing to do with wife-beater shirts. Besides, your premise is BS anyway. In the pro divisions, which people would presumably watch or televise, I rarely/never see shirtless competitors or wife-beaters. Most people look quite respectable, and yet still, the courses are not lined with spectators.

Is a collard shirt related to a collard green? Do you eat it with red vinegar or hot sauce?

my collard's are tie-dyed :D

embraced aspects of Buddhism, Hinduism, and/or Native American religious culture

YES! people who embrace those values MUST be labelled and marginalized ASAP!


..someone that was not "Hip" or "aware" or "cleaver" enough to really be "hip".

as opposed to a TEXAS REPUBLICAN, who is someone not "cleaver" enough to spel.

:D:D:D



LMFAO!! :cool:

I disagree I think "anyone" who sees a 100 foot putt to win a major tournament is going to be
impressed regardless of what they are wearing.

I used to be on the image is important here thought pattern that said "wear them shirts." The realtiy is that it depends on the path you take. Bookrep is right, image does matter; however, it just depends on the image you want to convey. The collard (greens) shirt image is a short cut to image recognition. It isn't good or bad, it is just one way to fit in with what is generally accepted and easy to pursue. It's a lot easier to get corporate types to pay attention if you fit in their perception of marketability.

On the other hand, corporate types are really only interested in making money. They'll take any image that sells. A disc golf image that becomes popular and that is not mainstream (although these days it's mainstream to not be mainstream) is as marketable as any. It just requires more, or maybe even different, work.

The real key to success would be to develop disc golf identifiable clothing and make it cool. You watch how quick they jump up and pay attention - collard or not.

In the end, a disc golf image is the better image. It is marketable by the PDGA and can be used as a tool to get recognition. I'm all for a uniform, but lets make it our own and sell the heck out of it.


The more I read this thread, the more confused I am. I assumed (wrongly apparently) that the reason behind the dress code was simply to look presentable. You know, put on a shirt or something better than an undershirt.

However, it is becoming apparent that many people see this policy as a vehicle for exclusion or for projecting an image. For the less than inclusive crowd, the image is apparently "no f'ing hippies or no f'ing white trash." For the inferiority-ridden crowd, they want to project an image of corporateness or appeal to the frat boy lineage because that is the way of the world by god. I guess the theory is "look like a frat boy, people will be impressed and be willing to watch, play with, and sponsor you." I can understand the just look decent crowd, but the second group are basically the worst kind of rednecks or people uncomfortable with who they are or how they are perceived.

Anyways, back to the real point. People don't watch disc golf because not enough people play, it has nothing to do with wife-beater shirts. Besides, your premise is BS anyway. In the pro divisions, which people would presumably watch or televise, I rarely/never see shirtless competitors or wife-beaters. Most people look quite respectable, and yet still, the courses are not lined with spectators.

so you are making an asumption of what the general publics assumption is going to be? Man dude that is heavy

I have a Disc Golf Collard Shirt , that says " Play Nakked"........Will that work ?

I disagree I think "anyone" who sees a 100 foot putt to win a major tournament is going to be
impressed regardless of what they are wearing.



Frankly, I don't much care what the viewing audience wears, but then again, I don't think that's what you meant.

Personally, my guess is that if you were only wearing a jock stap and you hit that 100 foot putt, the audience would still be looking at you. :D

Saw that !!!!!!! MTV , with JACKASSS.........Jonnie Knoxville.............We should get him and WEE MAN to play !!!!! :eek:

I kinda like Leanne Tweeden !!!!!! :cool:

This is for those folks who look Professional , but act like Am's :

Case in point : Tiger Woods.............Wears $ 170.00 golf slacks. $ 230.00 custom embroidered sponsor shirts.

$ 330.00 Golf Shoes. $ 22.00 socks and a $ 30.00 hat.

Thats over $ 500.00 worth of apparel................

Then , in front of the camera , for all of America to see , He Swears through his teeth and throws his club , just because he missed a shot !!!!! :eek: :eek:

Cry Baby..................Just probably cost his sponsor a few Mil.............in advertising and product promotion.

It is GOOD when you WIN.....................BUT be a Good SPORTSMAN..........if you don't win.............. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just because YOU look PRO , doesn't mean YOU always act like a PRO.

IF you want the PART..................Better ACT the PART !!!!!!!!! :eek:

WORD !!!!!!!!! :mad::eek: ;) :D

The more I read this thread, the more confused I am. I assumed (wrongly apparently) that the reason behind the dress code was simply to look presentable. You know, put on a shirt or something better than an undershirt.

However, it is becoming apparent that many people see this policy as a vehicle for exclusion or for projecting an image. For the less than inclusive crowd, the image is apparently "no f'ing hippies or no f'ing white trash." For the inferiority-ridden crowd, they want to project an image of corporateness or appeal to the frat boy lineage because that is the way of the world by god. I guess the theory is "look like a frat boy, people will be impressed and be willing to watch, play with, and sponsor you." I can understand the just look decent crowd, but the second group are basically the worst kind of rednecks or people uncomfortable with who they are or how they are perceived.

Anyways, back to the real point. People don't watch disc golf because not enough people play, it has nothing to do with wife-beater shirts. Besides, your premise is BS anyway. In the pro divisions, which people would presumably watch or televise, I rarely/never see shirtless competitors or wife-beaters. Most people look quite respectable, and yet still, the courses are not lined with spectators.



I know Texas is a whole other country but seriously by your logic because you haven't seen a growth in spectators we should just give up because it will never work. And if my premise is BS yours is equally BS. Did you get picked on by someone in a collared shirt. Do "Frat Boys" intimidate you. Most of the frat boys around here look pretty sloppy. I like how you generalize that wearing a collared shirt is somehow elitist. How do you think proffesional ball and stick golfers get paid 900,000 for winning a major? SPONSORSHIP!!! from big corporations who want to be associated with the sport.

So again you premise is that any proffesional athlete that plays for money and dresses appropriatly is some how a corporate, frat boy, sellout, elitist, exclusionist, christian.

so you are making an asumption of what the general publics assumption is going to be? Man dude that is heavy


Sure I will make all the asumptions I want :p

I forgot you were the only person alive who has never asumed anything. :cool:

How do you think proffesional ball and stick golfers get paid 900,000 for winning a major? SPONSORSHIP!!! from big corporations who want to be associated with the sport.



From sponsors that want to make money by being associated with the sport. Yes, when disc golf has enough people with enough money to attract sponsors, sponsors will want to be associated with the sport. And yes, sponsors are attracted by the dger's spending potential, not their wardrobe. Why isn't polo or croquet on tv alot? I hear they look real nice.

By the way, your conclusion of my conclusion is off. I don't care how people dress. That is my premise. They can look corporate, hippie, redneck, whatever. However, I do expect them to ACT/CONDUCT THEMSELVES in a professional manner.

I wear a Suit and Tie...............Am I not a Hippie ?

People get the wrong notion about other people.

The people in Papa , New Guiena........have never seen a Suit , Tie , Golf Disc , Hippie , Frat boy.................Maybe Tony Hawk........That guy gets around.........He sometimes wears a Suit and Tie , but his UNIFORM is Baggy shorts , Helmet , Knee pads and a tee shirt......... :eek:

Got to get him to play DISC GOLF !!!!!!!!! :cool:

How do you think proffesional ball and stick golfers get paid 900,000 for winning a major? SPONSORSHIP!!! from big corporations who want to be associated with the sport.



From sponsors that want to make money by being associated with the sport. Yes, when disc golf has enough people with enough money to attract sponsors, sponsors will want to be associated with the sport. And yes, sponsors are attracted by the dger's spending potential, not their wardrobe. Why isn't polo or croquet on tv alot? I hear they look real nice.

By the way, your conclusion of my conclusion is off. I don't care how people dress. That is my premise. They can look corporate, hippie, redneck, whatever. However, I do expect them to ACT/CONDUCT THEMSELVES in a professional manner.



Hello last time I checked clothes aren't free. Aside from discs attire is what we all spend most of our money on. I guess you don't get out of the country much ever heard of the rest of the world where sports other that football, baseball and basketball are played. Polo is big money it's called a gentelmans sport.I could care less what people do in their private lives but is it realy too much to ask to look decent for 3-4 hours at our WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS? I mean sorry to put you out. If it makes you feel better I don't think you will be approached to rush Beta Theta Pi :Din the middle of your round.

How do you think proffesional ball and stick golfers get paid 900,000 for winning a major? SPONSORSHIP!!! from big corporations who want to be associated with the sport.



From sponsors that want to make money by being associated with the sport. Yes, when disc golf has enough people with enough money to attract sponsors, sponsors will want to be associated with the sport. And yes, sponsors are attracted by the dger's spending potential, not their wardrobe. Why isn't polo or croquet on tv alot? I hear they look real nice.

By the way, your conclusion of my conclusion is off. I don't care how people dress. That is my premise. They can look corporate, hippie, redneck, whatever. However, I do expect them to ACT/CONDUCT THEMSELVES in a professional manner.



Hello last time I checked clothes aren't free. Aside from discs attire is what we all spend most of our money on. I guess you don't get out of the country much ever heard of the rest of the world where sports other that football, baseball and basketball are played. Polo is big money it's called a gentelmans sport.I could care less what people do in their private lives but is it realy too much to ask to look decent for 3-4 hours at our WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS? I mean sorry to put you out. If it makes you feel better I don't think you will be approached to rush Beta Theta Pi :Din the middle of your round.



I can Appreciate that.

For myself , Disc Golf is expensive.

Some of my Collared shirts are over $ 50.00 for the good ones.
Shorts : $ 20.00 +
Socks : $ 6.00 +
Shoes : $ 100.00 +

Etc.....................

Disc Golf equipment , put it this way.............

I could buy a nice house and a new Mercedes !!!!!!!

However , the comment made : 3-4 hours is reasonable amout of time , per day , to look and act Professionally in ANY MAJOR Disc Golf Tournament.

Folks are taking pictures.
Folks are Video taping you. Media and sponsors are watching.
And maybe, just maybe........someone could be talking about you and the way you look and carry yourself.

I even try to keep my Hair combed and look neat. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

No RED EYES !!!!!!! :cool:

No Letuce , food or Sun Flower Seeds in my teeth !!!!! :)

No Spilted drinks or wearing my lunch on my clothes !!!!! :eek:

All basic things.

The way we Look and Act is a reflection of ourselves and other players.

I have even been told , some players look up to me !!!!!!!!!!!

ME !!!!!!!!!!!! I'm like , no way................

If I'm going to be a Professional..........I should Act and Look accordingly............PERIOD....... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'll do my best !!!!!! :D

Hippie --- members of the 1960s counterculture movement who adopted a communal or nomadic lifestyle, renounced corporate nationalism and the Vietnam War, embraced aspects of Buddhism, Hinduism, and/or Native American religious culture, and were otherwise at odds with traditional middle class Western values. They saw paternalistic government, corporate industry, and traditional social mores as part of a unified establishment that had no authentic legitimacy.

Today, the term more often applies to someone who rejects the established culture; who advocates extreme liberalism in politics and lifestyle

The word "hippie" as used above, is also often used in a derogatory sense, to describe long-haired unkempt drug users, who by "Beatnik" standards was someone that was not "Hip" or "aware" or "cleaver" enough to really be "hip".

The eschewing of collard shirts (representing conformity to The Establishment) would be in line with Hippie philosophies.



Wow, hippies are hip cats. Bet they like frisbees and disc sports :D Probably it was they who came up with the whole Ultimate 'spirit of the game' stuff.

Hold on, don't they use Jimi Hendrix music now in corporate tv advertising? Has the establishment monster ate up even that which is good and dear? :confused: Maybe tie-dye and free dress is the way to appeal to these corporate robber barons...? Or maybe it's the way to make a statement against that whole approach to Mother Earth... God, frisbee golf is sooo confusing! :D

Does this subject really need this much debate? If you can't conform to the dress code then don't play in those events that require it plain and simple. The BOD will no go backwards on this issue. Nobody wants to see us on TV wearing questionable clothing.

For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant. To grow our sport we need to convince sponsors and the public that what we do is worth supporting otherwise we will never achieve the recognition we deserve.



Just give everyone a chance to NOT argue about the 2M rule for a few days...



Now that's funny! :D

Does this subject really need this much debate? If you can't conform to the dress code then don't play in those events that require it plain and simple. The BOD will no go backwards on this issue. Nobody wants to see us on TV wearing questionable clothing.



The BOD already loosened up on the collar issue. It is almost as hole-y now as swiss cheese :eek:


For the general public perception is everything regardless of what we all know about each other is irrelevant. To grow our sport we need to convince sponsors and the public that what we do is worth supporting otherwise we will never achieve the recognition we deserve.



Do we deserve recognition? The All-Star Major League Baseball Game is being broadcast on national television because it attracts viewers which in turn attract advertisers to buy commercial time to reach that viewership. As soon as we are profitable to put on the air, we'll be there. I doubt it will hinge on a dress code. As already noted the best disc golfers in the world are sponsored and their sponsors choose the kinds of attire their players shall wear. If they want to design a sleeveless breatheable shirt which makes their players comfortable and shows off their well developed arms -- that will be one type of apparel you will probably see at the USDGC... But as long as the BOD is hung up on sleeves, it probably ain't gonna happen /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What about Facial Hair ? :eek:

Why isn't polo or croquet on tv alot? I hear they look real nice.



thank you :D

What about Facial Hair ? :eek:



If thy own eye offends thee -- pluck it out! :eek:

If Nike will let Kobe Bryant appear in their ads, then apparently anything goes with these robber barons :o

Hippie ---- White kids of the mid-late 60's who copied the black civil rights movement of the early 60's. They used black jargon like groovy, far out, right on, dig, i'm hip, outta sight, and said "man" all the time like the black hepcats of the 50's and 40's used to do, and they did drugs like the hepcats too except acid instead of opiates. They grew their hair long because the blacks had afros, most white guys couldn't grow afros so they let it grow long and straight unless they were lucky and had curly hair like some lucky jewish or middle eastern guys could grow semi-afros, and one scottish guy had a famous red afro. He he. And Jerry Garcia had a Mexi-fro. They listened to rock and roll, a form of music which had originally come from the black culture of the 40's and 50's but now played by white musicians. They engaged in political protests so they could be like the blacks who had their civil rights movement in the early 60's, but because they were white and already had all the civil rights, they invented political causes so they could march around and protest. Gaye rights, women's rights, student rights, any kind of rights, the right to vote for 18 year olds, legalize pot, but the big one became the viet nam war, but it could have been anything, it didn't matter, so long as they could protest and be like blacks.

Later hippies of the late 60's and 70's only copied earlier hippies and the whole polital civil rights aspect died off, what stayed was the long hair and rock music and other things.

The only good thing that came out of the hippie movement was disc golf.

Nice synopsis of the hippie movement, and that was a bad thing?

Hippie ---- White kids of the mid-late 60's who copied the black civil rights movement of the early 60's.



... were inspired by the black civil rights movement of the early 60's to form a new revolution against corporate amerika and it's war in Viet Nam. The yippies brought that war to the mainstream middle class of america and shoved it in the face of the war mongers. The war ended. That was a good thing.



...and they did drugs like the hepcats too except acid instead of opiates.



... a major point. The blacks did the drugs that were controlled by the money, opiates. In Viet Nam what did the CIA use as a money raising operation? Opium from the Goden Triangle. The hippies did acid, a drug that the local college chemist could produce in large quantities, most notably Owsley, the bear. What do the opiates do compared to acid? Opiates close down the pain expressed through the blues. Acid opened new ideas that you never imagined existed. And if you were in the right place with the right people you discovered a wonderful place that connected you to the earth. Thus was born the "Save the earth" movement. I'd call that a pretty good result.



They grew their hair long because the blacks had afros, .. He he.



Let your freak flag fly. There was a discernible animosity between blacks and hippies until Jimi started some healing. The blacks brought the opiates to the Haight and thus was the beginning of the end of Shangrila. By 69 you could get mugged conned ripped off just like in any other large metropolitan area. There was just that short moment embodied by the term "summer of love" where the hippie briefly existed and held back the wolves baying at the door.



They listened to rock and roll, a form of music which had originally come from the black culture of the 40's and 50's but now played by white musicians.



Why stop in the 40's and 50's? The basis for black rock music was the delta blues produced by the oppressed black culture of the early 1900s. Acid rock drew from all previous music as all 'new' ideas grow from all that came before.



They engaged in political protests so they could be like the blacks ... Gaye rights, women's rights, student rights, any kind of rights, the right to vote for 18 year olds, legalize pot, but the big one became the viet nam war, but it could have been anything, it didn't matter, so long as they could protest and be like blacks.



Actually we called the political types yippies who later became the yuppies that sold there souls to corporate amerika in the 80's in return for the golden promise.

..ysheesh.. Womens rights??? Roe v. Wade was a bad decision? [I'm a potty-mouth!] rights??? Still a hot topic today. 18 year old vote??? That's because 18 year olds were being drafted and shipped off to die or suffer permanent psychological damage protecting American corporate interests without the right to vote. No draft today. A great result. Do you hear a contemporary theme? Oil/Kuwait/Iraq???


The only good thing that came out of the hippie movement was disc golf.



I enjoy disc golf but back when I could run I much more enjoyed throwing a lid on the beach.

Well you're playing grandmaster so you are old enough to have been there (and know better) but there are so many skews in your "hippie" description it's pretty clear you weren't anywhere near SF. No matter how much you know about music.

And I never had collard greens until I met a sweet white girl from Mississippi who became my wife. Collared shirts I gave up after the British Mod fad came and went and didn't wear a collared shirt again till I did my own sellout and went to work for corporate amerika. In the 80's.

Exactly, and there are those who wear nice collars but smell bad and have lousy character. Zack, why do you have a problem with hippies and who falls into this category for you? Anyone with long hair? Someone who prefers peace and cooperation over war? Someone who likes colorful, as opposed to conservative, clothing? Someone who likes music from the 60's?

The founders of our sport? :o

If we want to appeal to young people, is requiring preppie clothes really the answer?


I'm not saying that every one that doesn't wear a collared shirt is a dirty hippie, I'm just saying that it seams that the majority of disc golfers that are against the collared shirt rule if you can call it that look or act like hippies. Witch may or may not hinder this great sport, but I don't see the problem with putting on a collared shirt if by a remote chance it's going to help the sport grow. The days of wearing any thing you want and looking how ever you want have had their time with little to no success. So, why do so many people have a problem with trying a new angle at introducing the sport for the new millennium?

As far as for the founders of the sport I have to give them a big thank you but some time a creation doesn't find it's true value until the creator(s) past in to the history book and the next generation take over. Just think when they stated the sport there was a tree and a Frisbee, now that they have set the foundation it the new generation reasonability to build the sport and not the founding fathers of disc golf.

..ysheesh.. Womens rights??? Roe v. Wade was a bad decision? [I'm a potty-mouth!] = [g-a-y] rights???

Thank you Terry for imposing your c-e-n-s-o-rship. And proving that there are still plenty of things to support. Such as freedom of speech.

I know I know - this is a private bulletin board and has no rights associated except for those specifically granted by the new overlords of the PDGA.

Who cares about all that crap. Just wear a freakin collared shirt and look nice when you play golf. First impressions last a long time and are hard to change. So if people show up to our events and we look like crap thats what they are going to think we are. CRAP!!! It will be really hard to change their minds as well. But if they show up and we look great then they will think we are great and it will be equally as hard to change that perception.

So just follow the dress code and wear whatever it is the dress code says now and stop complaining. If you dont like it dont play the tournaments.

Enough said.

This is for those folks who look Professional , but act like Am's :

Case in point : Tiger Woods.............Wears $ 170.00 golf slacks. $ 230.00 custom embroidered sponsor shirts.

$ 330.00 Golf Shoes. $ 22.00 socks and a $ 30.00 hat.

Thats over $ 500.00 worth of apparel................

Then , in front of the camera , for all of America to see , He Swears through his teeth and throws his club , just because he missed a shot !!!!! :eek: :eek:

Cry Baby..................Just probably cost his sponsor a few Mil.............in advertising and product promotion.

It is GOOD when you WIN.....................BUT be a Good SPORTSMAN..........if you don't win.............. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just because YOU look PRO , doesn't mean YOU always act like a PRO.

IF you want the PART..................Better ACT the PART !!!!!!!!! :eek:

WORD !!!!!!!!! :mad::eek: ;) :D


But if he was hearing baggie jeans, a pair of timberland boots, an Atlanta 2 strong Tee-shirt, a white brave's hat, and a phat chain the public would have an entirely different opinion of him with out the Swears through his teeth and the throwing his club.

But if he was hearing baggie jeans, a pair of timberland boots, an Atlanta 2 strong Tee-shirt, a white brave's hat, and a phat chain the public would have an entirely different opinion of him with out the Swears through his teeth and the throwing his club.




WORD!!!

Nice post nocoloco. I was there though, lived with the White Panthers in Ann Arbor when John Sinclair was in jail '69, knew all of them and was there when they broke up early 70's. Not all hippies were white, that's why the white panthers had to change their name to the Rainbow People's Party cause they were all the colors of the rainbow.

Also stayed in a crash pad in Berzerkeley around '72 but that was after the Haight was gone and forgotten. But they were all junkies anyway, bunch of idiots called the Earth People's Party. Also did a summer in Boulder when it was a hippie town, maybe '70 or 71. But I was a teeny bopper myself, watching and learning. But I could throw a friz and that's all that mattered.

Actually we called the political types yippies who later became the yuppies that sold there souls to corporate amerika in the 80's in return for the golden promise.

..ysheesh.. Womens rights??? Roe v. Wade was a bad decision? [I'm a potty-mouth!] rights??? Still a hot topic today. 18 year old vote??? That's because 18 year olds were being drafted and shipped off to die or suffer permanent psychological damage protecting American corporate interests without the right to vote. No draft today. A great result. Do you hear a contemporary theme? Oil/Kuwait/Iraq???




great post from top to bottom

(BTW, I wear collared shirts, or look neat for all tournaments &amp; major finals, always. Or when requested by TD))

I don't know if they can see the light through all that Pot-Smoke.

(BTW, I wear collared shirts, or look neat for all tournaments & major finals, always. Or when requested by TD))


And, I thank you for improving the image of our sport.

Yes, no one like that has ever made money in America. :p

Like I said before, I will abide by this policy and really care little about it, but some of these attitudes are moronic. The future of competitive disc golf is dependent on how many people play and desire to watch others play. If a dress code reduces the numbers, it is not a good strategy.

I doubt the code will matter one way or the other, but after hearing some people speak I start to wonder. The basic emotion is "We don't want to be associated with those types" or "If you don't agree, fu, we don't need your sorry butt anyway." Is this the way we really help grow the sport?

ps. This is not a jab at the PDGA since I didn't infer any exclusionary tones from them, or from the policy itself.

FU is right; we don't need no stinking hippies.

How 'bout those drinkers (with or without collars)
I think I encounter more drinkers than smokers on any given day while disc golfing. In many parks alcohol is not allowed. In tournaments it is FORBIDDEN. Does that stop those drinkers? You know, the ones who have a few on the course and them drive their death machines around?

In the perfect north all dirinking is outlawed so the problem would be solved.

How 'bout those drinkers (with or without collars)
I think I encounter more drinkers than smokers on any given day while disc golfing. In many parks alcohol is not allowed. In tournaments it is FORBIDDEN. Does that stop those drinkers? You know, the ones who have a few on the course and them drive their death machines around?


There's nothing worse that the smell of old beer that comes off of most disc golf courses, this is a problem that needs to be address but it is normally the one disc wonders that have no ideal that there is an other type of disc golf.

Maybe the smell is from all the empty beer cans and bottles thrown on the ground on the courses (instead of making it to a trash can or carried out)

HHMMM....there is a lot of cigarette butts around those cans and bottles :mad:

Collared shirts, I wear them all day at work and when I get off, I am in a T-shirt for sure. For tournies, just put the dang thing on. Gotta work professionally and sometimes play professionally, aint nothing wrong with that! ;)

I doubt the code will matter one way or the other, but after hearing some people speak I start to wonder. The basic emotion is "We don't want to be associated with those types" or "If you don't agree, fu, we don't need your sorry butt anyway." Is this the way we really help grow the sport?

PDGA Policies: Balancing Inclusiveness with Standards

To the point, the PDGA does, as a goal, want as many folks playing disc golf as possible. The complication arises when they have to mate this goal with the one of setting �agreed upon� and �long developed best practices� of disc golf�s organizers.

Yes, believe it or not God did not, on the eight day, create our PDGA Rulebook nor Tour Standards. They have been slowly developed and revised over the course of our sports entire history by a long host of event and club organizers, and not �just� by the PDGA �MAN� some folks apparently equate with the Herbert Hoover CIA. No indeed, these standards were developed by Local, Regional, National and Worldwide Organizers, Promoters, Manufacturers and Vendors; folks JUST like you.

Exactly like you to be more precise.

Here�s a question: Can the PDGA create rules and tour standards that perfectly meet the needs of all disc golfers?

Here�s another: How inclusive is our current rules and tour standards already?

Lastly: How do you meet the needs of current disc golfers while broadening the scope to be more inclusive of newer disc golf demographics?

..., and not �just� by the PDGA �MAN� some folks apparently equate with the Herbert Hoover CIA.



Now that's funny. I'm hoping Nick typed that tongue-in-cheek, but I kinda doubt it. :D

FYI, Herbert Hoover was the US President during the Great Depression. The CIA did not exist then. J. Edgar Hoover was the former director of the FBI , and that is who Nick is probably referring to.

I say if the collared shirts are a requirement then the PDGA should furnish them at their events. Its not like they can't afford it right?

The majority of people I talk to got into DG because it was a free past time that did not require monthly fees or extra gear. You buy a disc and then go throw it. Knowing that the majority of the DGers are lacking mounds of cash, I feel that if the shirts were given away then it would be a great way of advertising and people would feel the PDGA is a huge contribution to the sport.

Hippie ---- White kids of the mid-late 60's who copied the black civil rights movement of the early 60's. They used black jargon like groovy, far out, right on, dig, i'm hip, outta sight, and said "man" all the time like the black hepcats of the 50's and 40's used to do, and they did drugs like the hepcats too except acid instead of opiates. They grew their hair long because the blacks had afros, most white guys couldn't grow afros so they let it grow long and straight unless they were lucky and had curly hair like some lucky jewish or middle eastern guys could grow semi-afros, and one scottish guy had a famous red afro. He he. And Jerry Garcia had a Mexi-fro. They listened to rock and roll, a form of music which had originally come from the black culture of the 40's and 50's but now played by white musicians. They engaged in political protests so they could be like the blacks who had their civil rights movement in the early 60's, but because they were white and already had all the civil rights, they invented political causes so they could march around and protest. Gaye rights, women's rights, student rights, any kind of rights, the right to vote for 18 year olds, legalize pot, but the big one became the viet nam war, but it could have been anything, it didn't matter, so long as they could protest and be like blacks.

Later hippies of the late 60's and 70's only copied earlier hippies and the whole polital civil rights aspect died off, what stayed was the long hair and rock music and other things.

The only good thing that came out of the hippie movement was disc golf.



Don't mistake the movement which questioned corporate imperialism, along with the myopic consumerism and environmental degradation it fosters, with the mass popular movement which piggy-backed upon it and was populated by a bunch of conformists getting high and talking the talk in order to be part of the 'in-crowd.' That may be what got the most attention, but it was a sideshow.

I say if the collared shirts are a requirement then the PDGA should furnish them at their events. Its not like they can't afford it right?



Should they provide us with discs also?, they are required for PDGA tournament play.

and travel expenses......
Food........
a little fuzzy bunny to make me happy.......

I think it would be short sided to say that the feel of the topic is fu if you don't want to wear one. I think the feeling is more along the lines of confusion. Some people still don't seem to understand that it doesn't have to be a collared shirt. Last time I check a v-collar or henley were not really collared in the truest sense.

About the only thing that the dress code eliminates is cotton crew shirts (not comfortable as they get sweat saturated on 100 degree afternoons), and shirts with no sleeves.

If you want to wear tie dye, fine. If you want to wear a crew neck shirt, fine. Go get one of the half a dozen different examples of $4 or $5 examples that seem to fit the dress code.

People just get up in arms about any little rule that seems to impede upon their rights. I understand this feeling. I am a card carrying member of the ACLU. I have been nearly arrested for peaceful demonstrations on a handful of occasions. But, come on. Pick your battles. This dress code has so many options.

After reading this topic, I wish I could recast my vote to not strict enough.

I say if the collared shirts are a requirement then the PDGA should furnish them at their events. Its not like they can't afford it right?

The majority of people I talk to got into DG because it was a free past time that did not require monthly fees or extra gear. You buy a disc and then go throw it. Knowing that the majority of the DGers are lacking mounds of cash, I feel that if the shirts were given away then it would be a great way of advertising and people would feel the PDGA is a huge contribution to the sport.



That may be how the sport started but thats not where its heading and if these people dont want to change with the times then thats too bad. They can go play casually with no shirt 6 40s 1 Disc and a bong if they want to. They will just have to stop playing tournaments. Plus if they can afford an entry fee to a tournament then they sure as heck can afford a collared shirt from the thrift store which is where most people buy them anyway. My buddy got like 3 or 4 nice collared shirts for around 10 bucks at the local thrift store. I know the one around here has some nice dri fit ones as well because my dad and I donated the old ones that didnt fit us anymore or that we didnt want.

Wear the freakin shirts and stop crying. Its looks so much better and if you ask me is less restricting then a T shirt :D Plus if your shanking atlest your going to look good doing it :D

Collared shirts, I wear them all day at work and when I get off, I am in a T-shirt for sure. For tournies, just put the dang thing on. Gotta work professionally and sometimes play professionally, aint nothing wrong with that! ;)



<font color="blue"> Newsflash: </font> There is no collared shirt requirement. Read the post by Idahojon --


What makes it so hard for some people to get this?

<font color="red">COLLARED SHIRTS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CURRENT PDGA DRESS CODE!</font>

Please read my prior post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=402013&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), quoting the entire dress code section of the Players' Handbook. There are <font color="red"> several options </font> by which one could meet the dress code, a collared shirt <font color="red"> being just one. </font>

"A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable."

I have no problem with collared shirts. Just trying to speak for the average DGer.

I know I like to look decent. Aint nothing wrong with dat! ;)

Well if they do require them for sanctioned I would say they should provide them from a logical point of view. If it is mandatory then it should be offered and not sold.(You know they would have a stand for everyone that forgot threir collared shirt) We should not make the rules to increase revenue. That would be a load of crap.

Just my 2 cents, maybe worth even less.

..., and not �just� by the PDGA �MAN� some folks apparently equate with the Herbert Hoover CIA.



Now that's funny. I'm hoping Nick typed that tongue-in-cheek, but I kinda doubt it. :D

FYI, Herbert Hoover was the US President during the Great Depression. The CIA did not exist then. J. Edgar Hoover was the former director of the FBI , and that is who Nick is probably referring to.



Maybe we should all dress like J. Edgar Hoover. Now there's a dress code. :D

After reading the official language, this dress code seems very reasonable and accommodating of different styles.

Two areas of concern:

1. The sleeve-length requirement. Right now, for instance, I'm wearing a nice polo shirt with sleeves that don't quite reach my elbows. Under the language of the rules, it would seem to be prohibited, but it would definitely be within the spirit of what they're trying to achieve.

2. Are there regulations that cover jackets, etc.? Are we restricted to long-sleeved versions of the shirts covered in the rules? Is a long-sleeved cotton t-shirt ok if we've got a regulation shirt over it? What about hooded sweatshirts/parkas?

Good questions on the longer sleeve stuff....something I forget to ponder when it is warm out...

Looking at the difference in geographics, it would be hard to right any kind of REAL dress code for the events. This rules would have to go into rain coats, jackets, wind breakers, and yes even adressing special situations. It sounds like a waste in my opinion.