Bad, bad news... Some *sshole stole the tops and the buckets to 13 of the baskets out at Bear Creek... If anyone has any info that would help recover the baskets please let me know. I don't see how 13 tops and 13 buckets can be taken and noone see anything. Looks like all the baskets at the front of the course close to the highway are still there so they must have loaded them at the nieborhood entrance...

Wait wait wait, Bear Creek in Houston? I did'nt know they had a park. I am going there this weekend and looks like I wont be able to play 18. :mad:Is this the right Location?

I believe he is talking about Bear Creek in Grapevine, TX and that is F&CKING WRONG

We had 10 play out there Saturday and all the course was there. Someone needs to pay for this!

That will make that entire course practically useless until they can be replaced.

*#($&% :mad:

Sorry, should have said Bear Creek in Grapevine Tx... This is bull sh*t, we just had a whole basket stolen at Veterans and now parts of thirteen at the Creek... I could believe one with noone seeing anything but thirteen, someone had to see something...

maybe someone could circulate some flyers around the neighborhood.

13 tops and bottoms? no way it could go unseen, unheard or even done in one trip. unless it was more than one person.

just freak'n wrong.

well if it had to happen i'm glad it was grapevine. because from what i hear the city really likes that course and this is now a felony theft :mad:so you can bet there will be an investigation. like pepper said somebody had to see and hear something. unless by some off chance the city is pulling them. if not maybe some justice will finally come to some of these retards going around and stealing baskets. this would definitely be a felony.

it had to be more than one retard

Hearing this makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes...13 buckets and tops in the back of a truck would make one heck of a noise. That is plain sad. What a great course!

Holy crap!!! This bites big time. Find this guy (or guys) and lock them up.

I can't even move my practice basket without making a racket...how could you move 13 of them and no one hear???

Obviously it sounds like someone is building a course..... How many people can have thier own course without inviting a few to play. Keep your eyes and ears open!

These baskets will be found and then there should be a lynching! I vote for a public hanging!

Exactly. You never see all the stolen buckets trying to be sold on ebay or anywhere else for that matter. People are putting in their own 18.

They better had a tight circle of scumbag friends. Stealing 13 goals is the worst I have ever heard of.

My guess is that this is the same scumbag that ripped #2 at the Vet also. The good thing about that is a basket from the Vet is very distinguishable with the size of the catching zone as well as the # sign on top of the bucket. If you find one I bet you find all of them. Everyone please keep an eye out because this ******* still may be looking for 4 more.

Note to everyone else: Make sure you or your Park Depts put a simple tack weld on the top of all your baskets so at least this 'easy' theft can be avoided. That happened in MN once or twice but fortunately only for one basket. Since then, the tack welds have at least prevented this type of theft. You also need to do a small tack on the anchor collars otherwise the whole basket can be unbolted there and easily slipped out.

Good luck getting those back. Take heart, nine complete baskets were stolen at Seneca in MD a while back and they did find them and get them back.

I have Stamping kits so the collars of the parts can be stamped with the course name. It can be ground off, but not without making it obvious that it was done.

Silly question, but what effect does this have on the Poison Ivy Open, coming up in a couple of weeks? Can baskets be ordered and installed by then, or do we use temps?

So the front 12 and #18 are all gone, baskets and everything or just tops/signs?

Sounds like everything except the poles....now we have to go back to object golfing :mad:

You are correct, from what I have been told 1,4,5,6,8,12,13,14,17 were left in tact... Looks like only 10 of the 18 buckets and tops were stolen. Grapevine parks and rec are pulling the rest of the tops and bottoms off now so no more to the baskets are stolen... They are going to replace the pieces missing and weld them to the polls, also putting up lock boxes from what Micheal that runs the mini's tells me... I don't know the time frame that this will happen in but the poles will be left so if you would like you can play object golf until they are finished. I hope we can get the course back up before the tourney :confused:

Last Tuesday I went there to play and I tend to warm up my putter on hole 18. I saw the pole with no basket and chains I texted Michael and He told me that it will replaced next week. So, I walked around and found nine with no baskets and chains (2,3,7,9,10,11,15,16,18). Are you saying it is stolen???? **** mofos! I will be there and keep my eyes on those mofos I love those course I played there for three years and consider my home course! I am so ****** off :mad:If I find them and I will make them cry with my sign language :DHope it will be replace real soon. I miss my home course! Now I go to Vets for while. I see that Hole 2 basket is stolen. SIGH! Happy holidays

this is very sad. hopefully the city doesnt decide to pull the course.

bear creek seems to have alot of sketchy people that play there. hopefully these f*cks can be tracked down and charged with a felony.

That is sad it is one of my favorite courses in dallas.....i'm all for the death penlty.. :mad:

Too Sad, I was starting to play that course more often and really like it. I pray that they get replaced, and I pray thet thief gets what he deserves.

Having your own course of stolen catchers would suck because you couldn't have people over to play without someone getting suspicious. So assuming they were bright enough to get 13 chains and baskets out the park without NE1 knowing (I don't see it being possible but..) It's safe to say they wouldn't be dumb enough to set it up around here ... I'm curious, what if this wasn't someone building a course, but some scrounging [*****]hole trying to make a quick buck off the materials, like selling it at a scrap yard or something.

We need to spread the word to other players as we play different courses that might not read this borad and EVERYONE watch for any courses (and current course expansions) springing up.

I heard about this tonight on the 6:00pm channel 5 news. They did a little story and showed some of the pulled baskets. They said that a $1000.00 reward is being offered for any information that leads to the recovery of the baskets.

This is not the way we want to get on the news. But, Maybe the story will turn up some leads.

Good for Grapevine..glad to see they made it an issue..I hope the goals are returned...

Simple statement.........................might have a lead..........looking into it............hoping it pans out.

Good luck.

Keep us posted.

So if the baskets are not returned, will the city foot the bill for more baskets? Or do WE need to have some fund raising events etc.. How about an object mini on Christmas eve with 2 bucks from every player going to buckets? I am up for any way to help get the baskets back in.

how about some of that money going towards the reward. get enough money in there and somebody will point a finger.

We were discussing a possible lead last night that we are looking into... I can not say anything until we have either rulled out the suspected or cleared up the rumors that are stirring... There are several ADGA members that believe that the Fritz basket (stolen a couple months ago), the Veterans bucket (stolen a couple weeks ago) and Grapevine could poss be related or by the same person... We are exhausting all resourses to try to get a grip on the situation...

well get going pepper round up that posse and track that varmint down pilgrim :D

You know me, I want to form a lynch mob...

Lynchin' is too good for these scumbags. :o

I'm in with the posse! Let's find 'em & string 'em up in the nearest tree!

seriously, keep an eye out on ebay, your local green sheet, etc. These people are pathetic and must have the book thrown at them, if not the entire library

it's probaly some little snot nosed, butt surfin, young punk whose grandma has some land.

from Mace:

I want to give you an update on The DFW Disc Golf Food Drive.
DFW Food Drive Event #2 The Z Boaz Course Championship / 2004 Bag Tag Championship / First Ever Good Times Chili Cook Off Sunday January 2, 2005 at Z Boaz.

DFW Food Drive Event #3 The Poison Ivy Open Saturday January 8, 2005 at Bear Creek.

The Baskets at Bear Creek.
First some good news.
The Baskets at Bear Creek will be replaced! The replacements have been ordered and will be delivered very soon, the DGA has promised me they will be here in time for The PIO on January 8. The Grapevine PD is all over this, I have called with tips two times and he already knows about it and has checked it out. The city is working on a new lock protector to try to keep the lock from being cut with a bolt cutter. They are going to weld the pieces of the basket together as well. This is good and bad news, until the precautions are taken the baskets will not be in the ground overnight. This will eliminate the Friday Doubles for this event. We will have to put the baskets in on Saturday morning and remove them on Saturday evening. We will need some extra help on this so if you are inclined please get there early to help out.

The Z Boaz Course Championship/2004 Bag Tag Championship/ First Ever Good Times Chili Cook Off
Sunday January 2, 2005 at Z Boaz in Fort Worth will be a busy and potentially HOT day on the course. During DFW Food Drive Event#2 we will be crowning the Course Champions as well as Bag Tag Champions for each division. We will also Crown the first ever Good Times Chili Champion. The players meeting will get under way at 9 am with all participants playing 36 holes for the day. You will see action from the long tee's as well as the short tee's and a verity of pin placements. You do not have to have a Bag Tag to participate in this event, however they will be available at the event. The money raised form The Bag Tag 2004 as well as the next go round in 2005 will go toward a new course in Ft Worth in the very near future. You will have ample opportunity to challenge in your entire division. The Course Champions as well as the Bag Tag champions will receive a personalized custom metal mini trophy. More details are available here www.maceman.com. (http://www.maceman.com.) You can register online at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or www.maceman.com. (http://www.maceman.com.)

The Good Times Chili Cook Off is open to everyone and is free to enter...sort of. Your entry fee is your entry in the competition, your chili. If you have "The Best Chili Ever" than get a big pot together and bring it out for the judges to decide. We will be equipped to keep it warm until lunch. The judges for this contest will be everyone that is not competing in it. It will be decided by secret vote. There will be a collection from the judges and it will be divided between the Food Bank and the winner. There will also be a one of a kind personalized trophy disc for the winner.

The Third Poison Ivy Open
Saturday January 8, 2005 at Bear Creek in Grapevine TX. DFW Food Drive Event #3 is a PDGA C-tier event . You will see two rounds of 21, with a players meeting starting at 9am. There is no light in this parking lot so we will be following the schedule very closely in order to get everything in before dark. This event will host all divisions with a three person minimum to make a division. As is the case with all DFW Food Drive Events, the divisional winners will receive a personalized custom metal mini trophy. More details are available here www.maceman.com. (http://www.maceman.com.) You can register online at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or www.maceman.com. (http://www.maceman.com.)

No expensive lock protectors need to be fabricated. I'm sure they can get the shackle protector Master locks for less than $15 apiece and perhaps lower than $12 apiece. Check at a hardware store to see what they look like.

Any headway made on this yet? on a side note, it looks like rain for the poison Ivy Open :(

BRING IT ON (i play better in the rain)

anyword on when we can expect this course to be up and running again?

Thanks in advance

Bump for info! :(

Anyone
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Were the bastages found and maimed? :mad:

The city has purchased and welded the new baskets. They are going back into the ground very shortly, within the next 2 weeks according to Michael(The GV wed. night TD.)

FYI, do NOT cross the pipe from 1's tee to 1's basket, or on the way to hole #13. People were arrested this week for doing so. It is posted with "No Trespassing", and the police are enforcing it.

Wow, thanks for the tip, John. I will be taking the long way from now on.

dang long walk! Maybe I put the deafs only sign by pipe. :p Last Summer I onced fell down from the pipe. Lucky it was only foot water. :o

Splash :D

I was actually talking to the individuals in question right before they they crossed the pipe after teeing off on hole one... I was enjoying my lunch, had to get away from my desk :DI am lucky, I am to scared to cross the pipe since I broke my leg in 97... Funny thing was I didn't even see them get stopped, did see the cop stalking in the bushes when I was leaving :eek: I was a little supprised to see him peeping his fat head out of the shule :confused:

Glad to hear it. I'm looking forward to getting back out there. Heading out to Cedar Hill on Saturday to pass the time and check the courses out.

I quit walking the pipe on one after I nearly fell and invisioned smacking my teeth on it on the way by. I had a friend faint and come down on a tile floor with her chin, pushing her teeth together and shattering several. After seeing all she went through to get that fixed and how much pain it caused her, I'm probably a little phobic. I've learned to enjoy the long walk around. :D

The Creek is back!!!!!! The baskets were replaced yesterday. The course is once again ready for play. If you have any info on the 9 stolen buckets please contact the Grapevine Police dept. We all need to email the city and thank them for replacing the baskets. Email Doug Evans at devans@ci.grapevine.tx.us

Also, the Wed. night mini's will resume next Wed(2/16/05) at 6pm :D

The Creek is back!!!!!! The baskets were replaced yesterday. The course is once again ready for play. If you have any info on the 9 stolen buckets please contact the Grapevine Police dept. We all need to email the city and thank them for replacing the baskets. Email Doug Evans at devans@ci.grapevine.tx.us

Also, the Wed. night mini's will resume next Wed(2/16/05) at 6pm



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Anyone hear about the moron that threw his bag of pot in the pond by hole 5 when a cop came up to him, and his dog went in and fetched it? So, the guy got arrested and the dog was sent home. And people wonder why this sport has such a bad image...

i heard about that on the radio today coming in to work. didnt have those details, but heard that the dog narced him out. he needs to a) not be so stupid, and b) kick that dog!

From NBC5i.com:

Black Lab Retrieves Pot, Causes Owner's Drug Arrest
Dog Wades Into Creek, Retrieves Pot, Takes It To Officer

POSTED: 8:22 am CST February 16, 2005
UPDATED: 8:50 am CST February 16, 2005

GRAPEVINE, Texas -- JD the Labrador Retriever meant well, but he has landed his owner in a mess of trouble.

Police said his owner, Matthew Porter, of Richland Hills, was playing Frisbee golf with two friends at a suburban Dallas-Fort Worth course Monday when a police officer arrived.

The officer thought he smelled burning marijuana, so he asked the men for identification and began checking for outstanding warrants.

JD, apparently sensing the party was over, waded into nearby Bear Creek, retrieved a plastic bag containing pot and brought it to the officer.

The black Lab's 25-year-old owner was charged with possessing drug paraphernalia. Micah Hays, 24, was charged with marijuana possession. The third member of the party -- a 31-year-old Mansfield man -- wasn't charged. JD was turned over to him.

BAD DOG. BAAD DOG. LOOK AT YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID. BAD. DOG.

Enough with the dog. The dog was doing as it was bred and possibly trained to do, retreive. BAD HUMANS, BAD, BAD HUMAN making disc golf look back to all the general public that hears and reads this story. Don't kick the dog, kick the stupid idiots upside the head that think disc golf courses are just smoking lounges for illegal substances. :mad:

Well, it's good to know that the city is taking some interest in protecting the baskets they just installed. No one should be suprised to see a little more presence from the local constabulary for a few months.

how bout kicking the MAN for making god's gifts "illegal"!

get up - stand up

Laura, I think they were joking about kicking the dog.

Laura, I think they were joking about kicking the dog.



True. I wouldn't kick a dog. I might put a choke hold on it for a few minutes, but that's all.

i might blow it a shotgun. but kick it? no, that was a joke! :D

hahaha... i picked my wife and kid up at the airport last nite... she had been in chicago for 3 weeks... so we're drivinh home and all of a sudden she says "hey, i was watching the news this morning and a story about texas came on! seems there was this guy playing frisbee golf and he had a dog with him........."

i cant believe this guy and his dog made national television news! bear creek has a new celebrity!

No way!!! One smart dog, one stupid human. Does Letterman do "Stupid Human tricks?"

I had a feeling they were joking about kicking the dog...but I was not too far from serious when I said that the idiots out there that treat a disc golf course as a smoking lounge for illegal substances need a good, hard, swift kick upside the head to possibly knock some sense back into it. Idiots like that will get courses pulled, and to think they did this within days of when the baskets were back in the ground.
I knew when I saw on the NBC5 website that little (AP) marking that it was all over the place. The dog makes the story a cute little story that reporters just love...well next to blood, sex, and violence.

1080 was saying hole #6 last night. They also stated that the cop said that when the dog came out of the creek, that one of the golfers rolled his eyes.

I would be willing to bet that this little story will cause at least one sponsor to stop supporting Disc Golf. It surely will not help. And that Effects you guys who keep defending the players.

Remember, there have already been at least two courses pulling in Texas for events like this.

who you?

Yes, one of my sponsors already has stopped sponsoring, his reasoning was because the "smoking Players just don't get it and I can't keep supporting them"


Listen, what you do in your own house is your own business. But a public park open to everyone, you have to be mindfull of the other park users. That includes drinking and smoking.

Well said Bryan...if you must smoke your bowl, don't do it on the course. Do it at home, do it at a friend's house, do it in the deepest part of the woods, but don't do it on the middle of a course. I've randomly met cops that I played a round with and I was just praying that we didn't run into anyone lighting up because I knew it would make the news.

Yeah it's illegal and maybe it shouldn't be, but those are the rules, and if we ever want DG to get the attention it deserves, we have to play by the rules! For every guy caught with a bag of weed on the course, we have to help 10 food banks and help 10 little old ladies cross the street to make up for the image. Please use judgement and be discreet...what really sucks is the people that need to hear this are the kids that don't care enough for the sport to be reading online discussion boards about it!

My 2�

yes, the world would be soooo much better if we all got rid of our bongs and just watched Playboy channel on our TiVos instead ! :D

i'd rather teach my daughter how to roll a ***** than how to be treated like so much meat.

anyway, jeter's right on about one thing - the folks that need to read this are not pdga type folks - they are locals out playing in their local park. geez, if the PGA and its touring players were held responsible for what goes on at 100% of the muni ball golf courses, well, then there wouldnt be much of a tour would there.

When I first started playong and telling people about disc golf, I always heard people reply either Frisbee Golf or Stoner Golf. It didn't take me long to figure out why.

I've received two emails today about this story...one from Illinois, and one from Minnesota. It's a national story!......and a terrible one for disc golf. :mad:

I can't believe people can't go 2 or 3 hours without lighting up. I know that they are just recreational rounds, but come on people, we don't all bring our bad habits out on the course with us. I call myself a drinker, but I have yet to partake during a round.

yes, the world would be soooo much better if we all got rid of our bongs and just watched Playboy channel on our TiVos instead ! :D

i'd rather teach my daughter how to roll a ***** than how to be treated like so much meat.

anyway, jeter's right on about one thing - the folks that need to read this are not pdga type folks - they are locals out playing in their local park. geez, if the PGA and its touring players were held responsible for what goes on at 100% of the muni ball golf courses, well, then there wouldnt be much of a tour would there.



shoeless one, you are forgetting one point, Ball golf courses are not open to the public, you have to pay to be out there.

As stated here, there are those that call this game "Stoner Golf", personally, I don't resemble that remark.

yes, I understand that the tournament players are getting good about not lighting up at the course. I have not seen or smelled anything in a while now. (it is really nice BTW)

But now may be the time to start saying something to the rec park user about not doing it on the course if they enjoy the game. Or at least go to a private course that allowes that type of behavior.

(one more note, i hope you were joking about teaching your daughter how to roll a ***** :D)

>>shoeless one, you are forgetting one point, Ball golf courses are not open to the public, you have to pay to be out there.

I don't think you can link responsibility with whether or not you paid to play. The blame for this lies squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrators. The PDGA can and does discourage this activity at it's events by the threat of both disqualification at the said event and suspension from further events.

...and by the way, I finally broke down and got a TiVo, and they are actually pretty cool...even for stuff other than recording the playboy channel

no, PG, i am dead freakin serious about preferring to teachher how to roll a ***** as opposed to posing for Playboy. for that matter i'd rather she rolled than drank alcohol. and iam approaching 4 years without lighting up - a choice forced upon me by my job - which DOES allow guns on the premise... go figure that one :)

no, PG, i am dead freakin serious about preferring to teachher how to roll a ***** as opposed to posing for Playboy. for that matter i'd rather she rolled than drank alcohol. and iam approaching 4 years without lighting up - a choice forced upon me by my job - which DOES allow guns on the premise... go figure that one :)



i can't comment on that, i would not let her do either. I thought the "meat" comment was about following the rules of society.

saw mace tonight at bear creek.. he has lost a sponsor directly related to the dog incident

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who is the sponsor that pulled out? maybe I can avoid whatever they are trying to sell. works both ways


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I won't say who the sponsor is, but they have sponsored Local DFW events, and events across TX for more than 10 years!!!!!! It is a true shame. Oh.....and boycotting them won't do anything.....DiscGolfers have never given them anything in return. They have always done it for the love of the game. This is a HUGE loss.

i won't say either i'll let mace do that. i will say though mace said they actually laughed at the suggestion of sponsoring now. you can't blame them they sell their product to the public and the last incident was very much public news.

Maybe we should ask ourselves how it is that snowboarding, our cousin stoner sport, has gained respectiblity? Same goes for skateboarding. While most businesses are so afraid of anyone 'tarnishing their image' (see Coke paying Jesse Jackson millions so he won't say they were racist) there are enough businesses that understand that prohibition is a waste of our national resources. We need to do a better job of supporting them. The 'stoner' issue isn't going to get any better if we keep hiding in the closet. If you believe the DEA's estimate of the dollar value of weed grown in this country ($140 billion), everyone in the US has to be smoking to consure that volume. 30% of college students smoke in the latest AP survey. It's time we as a nation were honest with ourselves and stopped hunting down people for their personal choices. Nothings going to change if we just keep going along with the 'new puritans'.
That said, did you see that Carp Fishing got a front page story in the Wall Street Journal this week? Why? Because they're offering a $1 million prize in a fishing tournament. Know how many members the American Carp Fishing Association has? 700! Want disc golf to get some attention? Lets figure how we run a tournament where we can offer $1 million to first place. Ball golf gained national recognition with a similar stunt in the 1920's.

Maybe its not as recognized due to the cost factor. Corporate america has no time for a game you can play for the cost of a couple of discs(10-20 bucks), not when compared to buying a snowboard and its gotta-have accessories(400 bucks plus). If they can't make a mint off of us why would they bother?

On a side note imagine a tourney sponsored by NORML

You know maybe it's time we just embraced our 'alternative' image instead of trying to hide from it. At least, maybe we need an 'alternative' branch of disc golf to accomodate those of us who are comfortable with it. Yes, I'm sure NORML would be able to throw some cash towards a group that is generally supportive. Why not JOB, EZwider, etc. as well? Unfortunately, I imagine if we had the NORML/JOB $1 million dollar disc golf challenge we'd find DEA and ATF agents hiding in the bushes at every event. Got to justify those paychecks somehow.
I'm not sure if this is in anyway related to the event at Bear Creek, but the Carrollton police drove around Porter a few more times than usual during last night's glow doubles.

dumbest thing i ever heard

Snowboarding our cousin stoner sport??? I don't think so. Same with Skateboarding. I know a few guys who skate board and only one of them smoke.

Also, when you are at a skate park, you don't partake.

Both get TV time because they are fun to watch. 90% of the people who snowboard or skateboard can not do what those Pro's do without breaking there necks. And I guarantee those pro's are not doing those tricks STONED.

I have watched both snow boarding (in fact this last weekend) and skateboarding on TV, I never saw anyone toking it up :D

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business. Don't make it everyones elses by bringing it to the course.

so true Greenbeard. discs golf is the poor mans sport. We don't spend the money to play like other sports.

(to carp fish, you need a boat and fishing gear, these things are not cheap)

Just to give you an idea, a friend of mine is a pro Bass fisherman. He won a boat and truck at a tournament several years ago. Very nice matching paint jobs.

I have another friend (and former boss) who spends his summers up north going from Trout tournament to Trout tournament. In fact, we were both in WI in 1998, I was playing Am worlds, and he was at a Trout Fishing tournament.

unbelievable :eek: tournys are not cheap :eek: hotels, food, gas, etc. oh!! the unbelievable part was that you had two friends :D

Gas is a big expence, but only the oil drilling companies make any real money. (gas stations only make a vew cents on the dollar)

As far as other expences, I eat cheap and usually find a floor to crash on when traveling, so I don't spent much more than entry fee on everything else (other than gas)

Just a little reminder to the DFW golfers. Bear Creek will resume their Wed. night mini's this Wed.(4/6/05).

Sign up between 5:30 - 5:55.

Starts at 6pm

Ace pot starts at $150ish.

Also, remember that the police have been known to visit the park, especially since the theft of 9 baskets last winter. Beer/alcohol/and drugs are NOT permitted. Crossing the pipe on hole #1 is NOT permitted.

Snowboarding our cousin stoner sport??? I don't think so. Same with Skateboarding. I know a few guys who skate board and only one of them smoke.

Also, when you are at a skate park, you don't partake.

Both get TV time because they are fun to watch. 90% of the people who snowboard or skateboard can not do what those Pro's do without breaking there necks. And I guarantee those pro's are not doing those tricks STONED.

I have watched both snow boarding (in fact this last weekend) and skateboarding on TV, I never saw anyone toking it up :D

What you do in the privacy of your own home is your business. Don't make it everyones elses by bringing it to the course.



I skateboarded for fourteen years all over this country and if the percentage of people I met that were "stoners" justify a stoner sport, then every sport is a stoner sport except for maybe shuffleboard. With the number of glaucoma patients that play that sport though, you never know............. If you think a lot of disc golfers you know are broke, most of the guys I rode with were truly lower middle-class/poverty line and saved every dime (which usually totalled about 30 cents any given week) because they were just one bomb drop away from needing a new deck. Money seemed so scarce too for many in the late 80's, regardless of what Reagan was trying to say. That blowhard and his Reagonomics/Trickle down theory did not, and was not going to work. Now, maybe Ronald Reagan was a stoner? He sat around, got nothing done for the most part, and had this sh$t eating grin on his face all the time. It's a good thing that GWBush worships Reagan! The last thing most skaters were going to spend that dime on was drugs, not that there wasn't drug use, but it wasn't like cocaine at a disco. For a lot of people I knew, skateboarding was more important then food or family. Which is why I can relate so well with disc golf sometimes, because it seems so many of us are addicted to our hobby. In that way dg/sn/sk have so many similarities.

But what skateboarding had to make it big that disc golf doesn't, is snowboarding. Yes, snowboarding. It's true that for all practical popular purposes the lineage started with surfing, then skateboarding, then snowboarding, but it was snowboarding that had enough rich white kids to drag skateboarding to the popular media merchandising surface with it. This, in part, was also due to snowboarding being somewhat socially acceptable because those kids were pretty clean cut, and it was connected to skiing. And just look at statistics from ski resorts and see how much money snowboarding brought them. I tried skiing, it was fun. I snowboarded and almost sold everything I owned to move to Denver!

But see, unlike skateboarding with snowboarding, disc golf isn't as closely tied with ball golf. Sk/Sn co-exist well because many skaters snowboard, and vice versa. Alot of snowboarding items were made by skate companies, etc. Disc golf and ball golf don't co-exist. Any why would they? Ball golf is already hugely popular, what does it need disc golf for? And for that matter, what do we need ball golf for? Disc golf on a ball golf course is about the most boring thing I can think of. Think of the quarter mile hole at USDGC, but without the OB rope. Exactly. In twenty to a hundred years when dg is popular, I think ball golf courses may change a bit because people will see all the things we can do with a disc and the different types of holes, and they may decide to spice up golf a bit.

There are a couple of reasons skateboarding/snowbaording have grown in popularity. The main reason being merchandising$$$$ The next reason being it is exciting to watch (which I also believe disc golf can be). Once corporate America realized there was a sh$t load of merchandise and items they could connect with those sports......well, needless to say, let the branding begin. But, you have to understand that skateboarders were never going to accept corporate America (and still really don't). Now snowboarders were another story, their mom and dad were corporate America! In the 80's/early 90's (Unless you lived on the west coast, parts of florida, or parts of the east coast) if you saw someone wearing a pair of airwalk, vision streetwear, or vans shoes, there was a 99.9% chance they skated. Now if you see someone wearing a brand of skate shoes, it's just as likely that their mom took them shopping at Hot Topic in the mall.

I've been playing dg for a little over four years now. After the first six months of playing, browsing the web, I recognized the similarities of between dg and skateboarding in the late 80's. I've always been surprised that Innova & Discraft haven't tried to make clothing lines, shoe lines, etc, or anyone else for that matter. You're not going to get rich on it just yet, but when the ship comes in, you or your children, or grandchildren will be glad you started your little disc golfing shoe business. It's the same thing with Ken Climo. The guy is probably one of the most amazing athletes of the last century, and there are no hats, shirts, or bags with his name on them. Is this not America??? You know how many nascar driver t-shirts I see? On one hand that is what I love about this sport, but to me, the body of this sport is way more likey to embrace "selling out" then skateboarding ever was (or still is for that matter).

Believe me, I could wax philosophical on these topics forever, but my fingers hurt..............

Dont you have hole # 21 to go clear? :D

I wish people would get away from their ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN(communist news network), BBC, and Al Jezeera. There is a whole world of knowledge out there and most not slanted way left like the previously mentioned. As for Reagan, economists will explain just how Reaganomics worked wonderfully. You have to study and dig for the answers because CNN won't tell you that. Remember the Liberals phrase"the rich got richer and poor got poorer"? Most people are brainwashed into thinking that meant the 80's. Brainwashing is the repeat of a lie over and over till people believe it as the truth. Well what is the only period since WW11 that the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer did not happen? That's right....a 5 year peoiod during the 80's. Economists always adjust for inflation in those stats....except when Reagan was prez. The only period since WW11 that the rich got richer, the poor got richer, and the middle class got richer when adjusted for inflation. There is a whole different world out there when people get away from the mainstream press. It just takes effort and time to find it.

Great Illustration on Taxation

Tax Cuts - A Simple Lesson in Economics

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill, proportional to current tax demographics, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."

So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six, the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?" The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being "paid" to eat their meal.

So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth. "But he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have! enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Europe and the Caribbean.

So..... am I gonna get taxed for PLAYING DISC GOLF AT BEAR CREEK? :D

talk about a thread hi-jack.... :p

j/k ....juss trying to keep things on track before we are all buying snowboarding clothes on tax free weekend. :D

Our little thread has been hijacked.

This wed night the fun begins. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $150ish plus entries.












NO MORE TAX TALK! :D

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $175ish plus entries.


We are taking our little monkey to the zoo today. See y'all at the park this evening.

See you there :D

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $200ish plus entries.

Congrats to Kent Steel for taking the Discraft CTP. I'm sure it made the 60 mile drive a little more worth while.

BTW, for the 1st time in my DG career, i lead the entire card to the wrong tee pad. The card looked pretty funny when we turned it in, hole 16 had single circles, double circles and even tripple circles.

Hey John, shouldn't have that been on the BOAST thread?!?!?!

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $200+ish plus entries.

C'mon out! I have some interesting news about disc golf, Live 105.3 fm, and the Pug's and Kelly show!

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $200+ish plus entries...................unless someone hit it last week in the pouring rain.

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $200+ish plus entries...................unless someone hit it last week in the pouring rain.





Okay...No ace last week. So, the official number is $247+ entries

The $270 ace was taken down by 2 golfers. It was one guys 1st ace ever, and the other golfer's 3rd ace ever (1st ace pot though).

Next week the ace starts at $56.

This wed night the fun continues. Sign up between 5:30 and 5:55.

Start at 6pm.

Ace pot = $57 + entries.

C'mon out!

The ace pot was $205 last night. Nobody threw a good enough shot to take home the dough. We had a CTP after the round...Eric (BigE) won that. We also gave away a disc to a very attractive young lady who was playing all by herself!!!!! She is looking for a good man, and a disc golfer. I think she came to the right place. :D

are you talking about brian lamearoooox :D

are you talking about brian lamearoooox :D



:o:o:o


$205+ entires. Starts at 6pm. It would be nice to sum up my last day of vacation with tonights ace. :DMike D, i have your discs. :)

The ace pot was $205 last night. Nobody threw a good enough shot to take home the dough. We had a CTP after the round...Eric (BigE) won that. We also gave away a disc to a very attractive young lady who was playing all by herself!!!!! She is looking for a good man, and a disc golfer. I think she came to the right place. :D



Leave her alone or she will never return. :D:p

Yeah, maybe she was looking for another woman. :eek: :p :D

:o:o:o ;)

Mike D, i have your discs. :)



Cool!! See you there...

Nobody took the $250 ace pot home last night...looks like it'll be over $300 for next wed night!

We need to start discussing when Discraft's 1 disc ace race should be held at Bear Creek. Last year was the first year it came to Grapevine, and we are looking forward to the 2nd annual Discraft 1 disc ace race at THE CREEK!

Mike D, i have your discs. :)



Cool!! See you there...




Mike D,

Did anyone hit the ace last week? My wife was in the hospital, so no golf for me. It should have gone over $300, what's the total?

If you are on the north side of Tarrant County join us at Grapevine at 6pm for the Wed. night mini.

The ace pot starts at just over $300, and should come close to $350.

Sign up at 5:30 - 5:55.

Starts at 6:00.

If you are on the north side of Tarrant County join us at Grapevine at 6pm for the Wed. night mini.

The ace pot starts near $350.......better than a sharp stick in the eye.

Sign up at 5:30 - 5:55.

Starts at 6:00.

We are building on a $390 ace pot today. Should be well over $400......remember, you are shooting at 80% of the total pot.

Starts at 6pm

Sign up between 5:30 - 5:55

Nobody hit the ace last night. Building on $440 next week. Should be close to $480. :)

That's so sad nobody hit it. I'll be there next week :)

I told you we'd save it for you. Although Geesa almost didn't keep his promise.....he hit #12's number plate. :eek:

B E A R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B E A R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That's right Schewby!!! Hear them ROAR!!!!!

The ace pot will start at $492 and will climb well over $530. We've been adding roughly $45-60 each week into the pot. Would someone please take it down!!!!! Please remember that you are shooting at 80% of the pot. You must leave 20% for next week.

Be sure to watch Bear Creek local youngster Ike Eaker at Am Worlds in the 16 and under division. Right now he's in 6th place. Go Ike Go!

Sign up before 5:55 on Wed nights.

Starts at 6pm.

peeps in DFW are skurred of teh poison ivy @ Bear Creek...skurred of teh water on #15...skurred of #6 fairway...skurred of teh fire ants... ;)

Hey John I am coming from my new job at 35W and 28th st. and was woundering the quickest way to get there. I will be leaving at 5 o'clock. So hope I can make it in traffic, I had a blast last time I went to a Wednesday mini. Thanks in advance.

Eric,

Take I-35 to 121 north. Once in Grapevine/Colleyville exit Stoney Meyers Rd. Turn right onto 360's access road and you are there. Oh.....one more thing.....leave that $550 ace pot for me. :D

sign up before 5:55

starts at 6pm

Okay......there was a little discrepancy with the ace pot value. Somehow it wasn't as high as advertised on this board. I may have been hearing the wrong total everyweek for the last few weeks, or some cash grew some legs and walked away. I seriously doubt that the csh grew legs b/c the group that runs the mini are stand up, honest people. I also seriously doubt that i heard the wrong amount for the last month, thus the discrepancy.

Here's what i do know:

The ace pot grew to $497 last night. Nobody hit it, so it will go WAY over $550 for the next mini. See you there!

Right Mike D! :D

Okay. Ace starts at $497. Should go over $550.

Sign up before 5:55.

Starts at 6pm.

I'll have Z-Avengers for sale tonight along with other Quality discs.

It might be time for me to visit Bear Creek again...and see the only local guy to make it to semi-finals at worlds this year.
Congrats Pat!

Would you like me to arrange the card? :D

Actually, if you are truly offering, I would love to have the card the same as the last time I played. :cool:
It would be supercool for both of you to be there to witness my second ace. :D

Boooooooooooooom! :D

It's official now. We suc[/b]k at throwing aces. We played 14 short pads(200'-275'), and 4 alternate long pads(300'-350' from pin flags).

The ace pot grew to $550, and will go over $600 next week.

What a cool card to play on last night. Mrs. Laura Q, Mr. Kevin Geesa, Mr. Mike D, and myself. It was a blast....even w/o an ace.

I had a great time. Thanks, John. Missed ya' Pat.
Don does not understand why no one can hit an ace out there. He mentioned last night, while discussing our respective mini experiences of the evening, that he might have to take off early and try for it himself next Wednesday. :D Then, may be he too will find the force field that surrounds the Bear Creek baskets.

He's is more than welcome to try. Yes LQ, there must be some invisible force field around those chains! :confused:

Make plans on being at Bear Creek on Wed night for a $600+ ace pot!!! Mini starts at 6pm, sign up before 5:55.


Also, the 2nd annual Discraft One disc Ace Race at Bear Creek will be on Wednesday 9/07/05 at 6pm please PM me to RSVP a players package.

For $20.00 the player will receive two of the same Prototype Discraft discs, a hat, a supercolor mini-star, and entry into the event.

Like a broken record:

Make plans on being at Bear Creek on Wed night for a $600+ ace pot!!! Mini starts at 6pm, sign up before 5:55.

80% of the total ace pot is up for grabs!

My husband keeps making excuses for not going to Bear Creek's mini...something along the lines of traffic and work.
The next time I'll be there on the 7th, so put me down for one of those RSVP'd ace race packs.
I expect some one out there will have hit the $600 ace pot by then. Give it a good run John. :)

Guess what?

Nobody hit the ace. Surprised? Not me. It grew to $617 last night, so look for it to push $700 next Wed.

Glad to see that you'll be able to make the Ace Race Laura Q. Is $700 enough to make DQ quit coming up with lame excuses? :D

Chris Fleshner won the Discraft CTP(a bad as[/b]s 2005 Discraft Memorial X-Wasp) and took 2nd place, 6 strokes behind me. :)

Wow, I should play. Nobody call Daddy D! :D

6 strokes?! You should move up. :D

Yea...we are getting 20-30 people regularly, and the $3 ace really gets the pot up there quickly.

If i move up any higher, i'll be in Heaven. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We played 12 short boxes, and 6 Alternate(pin flag) boxes. I had 13 birds, 1 bog, and 4 pars.

you need to check your math on that 6 strokes. :p

12-8=4 :D

Take a chill pill. Just going by what Michael said after most people left, "you won by 6." I guess he needs to check his math. :p Boooooooooom.

nice shooting anyways. I figured a 9 or 10 would have been good, but a 12 is smoking. :D

How many did you beat your card by?

I think my whole card was over par. :(

LOL. I won the card by 10. :)

I have a formula that works pretty well out there. Take the # of short boxes you play, divide by 2, then go 2 lower. So last night 12short boxes divided by 2 = 6 then 2 lower = 8......... 8 down will be close to winning, if not 1st place. Looks like you played to my formula, i just was driving the disc perfectly. I would have been pleased with -8 as well.

wheres pepper been?

New job. He's very busy now! :o

Ace starts at $617, should push $700 tonight!!!!!

Sign up before 5:55, start at 6pm

Also remember that there will be a Discraft ONE disc ACE RACE in place of the mini next Wed.(9/7/05).

$20 gets you 2 proto (1st run) Z-discs, hat, mini, and entry into the event.

I have 7 people (so far) from Arlington coming to GV's Bear Creek for DFW's 1st ACE RACE of 2005. I will have extra packages for those that don't have the consideration to reserve one. They will be 1st come 1st serve. Good Luck!!!!!

I assume I am one of the seven with a package reserved.
If they come in various weights, you know I want the lightest, right?
Will it be the normal course layout for the Discraft Ace Race? It will be interesting to see if the one Discraft Ace Race Discs works better than the rest of the bag in acing holes out there.
I hope someone hits the $700 tonight. Good luck everyone!

LQ,

You are one of the considerate peeps. I will package the 2 lightest discs they send for you. The ace race will be on holes # 1-12, and we'll do three laps for a total of 36 holes. They will be super short holes....approx 150-180 feet.

Sweet I cant wait! I hope you reserved one for me! See you tonight John.

Right on BIG_E !!!! Yours has been reserved.

I just received confirmation that 40 ace race packs are on the way. They'll be here Tuesday, one day before the event!

so I hear you guys stil cant hit the ACE :D

Ya, the guy coming up with the course set up to play was protecting the ace last night. We only played 8 short boxes, and he moved hole #12 into the woods. :(

I predict an ace will be hit next Wed, because it is the ace race. :D

That's right, NO ACE last night. The pot grew to $713. It should go well over $800 on 9/14/05....when the Wed night mini resumes.

Chris is right, there will be lots of aces next week during the Discraft ONE disc ACE RACE. 1st place will win an embriodered Discraft bag with 10 Z-disc prototypes, plus a few extras. Also, if you hit an ace, and do not win, you will receive a Z-disc that says "I aced at the 2005 Ace Race." Please join us next Wed (9/7/05) for ONE fun time!

Discraft's ONE disc ACE RACE is tomorrow night (WED NIGHT 09--07-05) at BEAR CREEK in Grapevine, TX.

Starts at 6pm sharp.

$20 gets you 2 prototype (pre 1st run) Z-Discs, hat, supercolor mini, and your entry into the event. The man or women with the most aces after 36 shortened holes will win $300+ valued prize consisting of an embroidered Discraft ACE RACE WINNER golf bag, 10 SuperColor discs, and more.


Here's a link to the calendar. Click on Sept or Oct to see an event near you. http://www.sportdiscs.com/page/page/1297143/2005-09.htm

Please visit http://www.sportdiscs.com/aceracesurvey.html for the ACE RACE survey. Your comments count towards this disc's fate.

We had 36 participants at Bear Creek, that's more folks than our biggest mini this year. Thanks for the support.

I got lucky, and won with 2 aces and 2 metal hits. :DHowever, as always, i never accept 1st place at an event that i'm hosting......so the GRAND PRIZE was passed down to 2nd place. GARY SHUGART wins Bear Creek's ACE RACE with 1 ace and 2 metal hits. Congrats GARY. Enjoy that $300 GRAND PRIZE!

Look for 2 more ace races in the DFW area.

Sept. 25 at Veteran's Park in Arlington @ 5pm
Oct. 22 at Lorch Park in Cedar Hill @ 3pm

The Wed night mini will resume this week. The ace pot starts at $713 and will grow to well over $800. There will be a lot of people there this week......SO GET THERE EARLY so we can start ON TIME.......PEPPER! :)

Also, expect a long course. I am expecting a difficult layout. An ace will definitly be EARNED .......we are NOT going to just GIVE IT AWAY like hole #16 at Arlington (2 aces totalling $3500 in 5 weeks.) As always, you are shooting at 80% of the ace pot, 20% stays for next week. :p

Sign up BEFORE 5:55
Start at 6pm

The Wed night mini will resume this week. The ace pot starts at $713 and will grow to well over $800. There will be a lot of people there this week......SO GET THERE EARLY so we can start ON TIME.......PEPPER! :)

Also, expect a long course. I am expecting a difficult layout. An ace will definitly be EARNED .......we are NOT going to just GIVE IT AWAY like hole #16 at Arlington (2 aces totalling $3500 in 5 weeks.) As always, you are shooting at 80% of the ace pot, 20% stays for next week. :p

Sign up BEFORE 5:55
Start at 6pm



cool

are we talking to ourselves?? :D

John does that quite a bit. Just let it slide and nod your head in agreement and John will be just fine!

/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :cool::D :eek: :confused:

This is my personal thread. How did y'all get access to post here? :)







[QUOTE]
The Wed night mini will resume this week. The ace pot starts at $713 and will grow to well over $800. There will be a lot of people there this week......SO GET THERE EARLY so we can start ON TIME.......PEPPER! :)

Also, expect a long course. I am expecting a difficult layout. An ace will definitly be EARNED .......we are NOT going to just GIVE IT AWAY like hole #16 at Arlington (2 aces totalling $3500 in 5 weeks.) As always, you are shooting at 80% of the ace pot, 20% stays for next week. :p

Sign up BEFORE 5:55
Start at 6pm

well did the ace go down or what?

Ya I hit it tonight. :D

sure ya did. with the new ace race disc right :D

The Wed night mini will resume this week. The ace pot starts at $713 and will grow to well over $800. There will be a lot of people there this week......SO GET THERE EARLY so we can start ON TIME.......PEPPER! :)

Also, expect a long course. I am expecting a difficult layout. An ace will definitly be EARNED .......we are NOT going to just GIVE IT AWAY like hole #16 at Arlington (2 aces totalling $3500 in 5 weeks.) As always, you are shooting at 80% of the ace pot, 20% stays for next week. :p

Sign up BEFORE 5:55
Start at 6pm




Fleshner did ace with the ace race disc during the ace race. You know what that means? You get another one of those discs as a consellation prize with the "i aced stamp". Hehehehe. :D :p

Wasn't Flesh one of the people that REALLY did not like the disc?!?!?!? :cool::confused:

That's why it's funny! :D

I just didn't like that disc for 200' holes. I though it stunk as a mid range, but it could be an alright driver.

I cranked one close to 400' out at z-boaz the other day. From the trash cans by the parking lot into hole # 10s fair way! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Cool. Then you'll be happy when your new driver arrives. :) See you tonight. What are we splitting? :D

I'll do a $100 with you. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We suc[/b]k!

No aces, just some good times with old friends while throwing frisbees. Best part of the night: Hearing in the middle of the round that Mary & Dan became parents. Congrats!!! Congrats to UNCLE PEPPER too. :)

Should go over $900 next Wed.

Hysell, maybe you should come throw your 10 millionth ace and take this TX money back to VA.

The ace grew to $800 last wed. We add to that tonight. Plan on it being close to $900!!!!

Michael said last week that he WILL CUT OFF signups at 5:50. We start at 6pm sharp! Bring your glow lights cuz last week we played the last 2 holes in the dark.

i think that the long tees might have had something to do with that.

i think it will be hit tonight.

$100 split?

$100 for sure!

me too :D

You have a mini, and ace pot to shoot at tonight Ware? If so, i'll do a split with you. :D

yes our ace is $250. so lets do $50 if I hit and $50 if you hit deal? :D

Deal..... i have $50 with Ware, and $100 with Fles. :)

so is my $50 on its way ?? :p

Sorry Ware, but NO ACES!!!!!!!!!

The pot grew to $898. It should push $ 1,000 next Wed. That is insane!!!!! The average hole distance is 250' . We really must suc[/b]k! :D

Some good, ole' friends came out last night.

Tracy Nations (am world champ)
Kevin Geesa (am master world champ)
Sam Grizafi (gave Climo his 1st Pro World title in 1990. Took 2nd)
Ron Sillamen
Stephanie Cantrell
John Maiuro
Pepper
Jerry Seaboldt
Juli and Kendall Steel
Justin SandersGary Shugart
Mike D
Ike Eaker
and a lot more.

i am due, with no aces in 6 years, I may have to take next wednesday night off. :D

Rose hit hole 16 dead center on our 3rd hole and it spit!!!

needless to say he was not happy. :D

Rose hit hole 16 dead center on our 3rd hole and it spit!!!

needless to say he was not happy. :D




Yea, he told me.

My formula said that a -7 would be a competitive score for 1st place. I went out there and bagged 9 birds, but had 2 bogeys, and shot a -7. I was happy with that especially since the last 5 holes were in the complete dark. To hear Rose shot a -12 with one bogey was INSANE! That's a 1050ish round!!!!

Rose -12
Geesa -10 !!!!!
Sillamen -8
Me -7........usually my formula works, but to see 3 people go over it was impressive to say the least.

He birdied the first 7 holes and then put hole #3 to 30 feet and started crying. Then he caned it and did the same thing on the next two holes, and I could not figure out why he was getting so mad. :confused:

Perfection is an impossible goal. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Are we playing all 18 this week?

Can I bring the JUG???????? Will there be a spot available for refills?????? Oh man, I can't make a decision :D.

wish I could..#12 looked good Saturday :D

Are we playing all 18 this week?




Disc golf on Wed nights at Grapevine goes year round. All 18 holes, all year long. Go to Academy/Walmart/BassPro and get bobber lights!!! You'll need them.

My sister is coming into town today from Florida. She arrives at 4:30. I won't be able to make it. Please spare the ace pot for me. I'd do it for y'all. :D :p

Maybe i'll just call Michael and request that y'all play the long to long course. :D


OH GOD!!! NO JUGS Chamberlain!!!!!!!

How would that be any different from what we have been playing. :eek:

<font color="red"> </font> I'll cut you in on $50 anyways. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Because of the weather-related DNF's (myself included), Scott B. took home $11.00 finishing last place with a +12. Basically, if you Finished, you got cash.

P.S. Nobody aced.

THAT SUX!!!!!!

-4 with 1-4 to play from all longs and my whole card flaked. :mad:

Think i'm done with bear creak this year!!!! :(

I've decided to quit advertising for DG at BC in GV. You'll have to come out to the course to see how large the ace pot really is. :D :p

Matt A. walked away with $917.00 (after 20% deduction for next weeks' ace pot). Threw a Roc into #17 in the dark. WAY TO GO MATT!!!!11

Congrats on taking Bear Creek's largest ace pot! I'm glad it was a local bear creek die hard. Still $200+ left over for NEXT wed night.

Me thinks Matt needs to bring some ACE BEER next wed night. :D

Midnight Buzzz's & Crushes.............. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What happened to the Bear Creek Disc Golf web-site? I have a friend that will be going that way for the Cowboys game on New Years and he wants to play the course and rub it in @ my expense. I grew up on Bear Creek (WV not Texas) and would love to get my hands on some logo'd discs or shirts. He said he would get them for me if he could find them down there. Any help that anyone could give me would be great.

Just PM My-Hero, he'll gladly help you out anyway he can.

What happened to the Bear Creek Disc Golf web-site? I have a friend that will be going that way for the Cowboys game on New Years and he wants to play the course and rub it in @ my expense. I grew up on Bear Creek (WV not Texas) and would love to get my hands on some logo'd discs or shirts. He said he would get them for me if he could find them down there. Any help that anyone could give me would be great.



Jason hasn't renewed the web site since he got the poker bug that the rest of the country seems to be catching. He might not even play DG anymore, or own any discs depending on how well his poker skills are.

As for discs with a Bear Creek stamp, you'd need to talk to Brian Mace. He runs a few sanctioned events there, and would be the only one who might have some left over stock.

PM Brian Here:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showprofile.php?Cat=&amp;User=413&amp;Number=485268&amp;Board= TournamentInfo&amp;what=showflat&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;f part=10&amp;vc=1

or own any discs

it wasn't like he knew what to do with them anyways. :eek: :p

Anyone be interested in being a "tour guide" for my buddy when he gets there? He will be in the area around mid afternoon on Saturday, probably just try to get in 9 or so and take some pictures.

i would, but i'll be in a far worse place........Eden,TX(population 2448)........San Angelo is the closest "Big town." about 45m away.

How bad does that suc[/b]k? :mad:

or own any discs

it wasn't like he knew what to do with them anyways. :eek: :p



I wan't talking about Chamberlain! That's a funny statement though! :D

The Jason i was refering to goes by "Happy Evil" :eek:

I have not had the chance to play Grapvine since june ! I have the 22nd (Thur.)off woundering if anyone wanted to play at about noonish? pm if you want to play.

$450 in the ace pot.

I got the Okay from Amy. See you glowers tonight!

Great refresher for the PIO.

Nobody hit the $450 ace. In fact, usually only 3-6 people show up. Must be nice to be shooting at all of that cash by your lonesome selves.

Good to see JD and Lamoreaux out there last night.

I hope nobody saw my stumbling/skateboarding/gymnastics/springboarding/BMX endo/header CRASH on hole #18 last night. Da[/b]mn little tree stump/root! :D

I hope nobody saw my stumbling/skateboarding/gymnastics/springboarding/BMX endo/header CRASH on hole #18 last night. Da[/b]mn little tree stump/root! :D



Friggin' hilarious..... It was great trying to watch your feet keep up with your body.

Now, what were you saying about the doctor rubbing your little splinter to make it bigger? :D

I hope nobody saw my stumbling/skateboarding/gymnastics/springboarding/BMX endo/header CRASH on hole #18 last night. Da[/b]mn little tree stump/root! :D



Friggin' hilarious..... It was great trying to watch your feet keep up with your body.

Now, what were you saying about the doctor rubbing your little splinter to make it bigger? :D



:eek: :eek: :eek:

I will be visiting relatives this weekend in Euless TX. Me and my daughter Nicole (SuperGirl) are planning to play the Bear Creek course (in Grapevine TX) on Saturday morning. We have never played this course, so I have a few questions.

1. Does the course have tee signs and is it easy to follow?
2. What is the average score for a junior girl or rec woman player? Nicole likes to have a goal to shoot for when she plays.
3. Is it a popular course?

Thanks...........Rick

Might be crowded b/c of a nearby neighborhood and a GREAT looking forecast.

Holes 1-12 have teesigns and distances, and are relatively easy to follow. After hole 12, there is a dead walk back to the parking lot. Holes #13-18 are near the entrance of the park. They make a nice little loop right back to parking.

The course having small greens with some tightly wooded fairways will make it challenging....especially from the long tees.

Look at "The posion ivy open" held in january for womens scores. You might have to check back a year or two to find a JR womens field.

Thanks for the info. The 2006 Poison Ivy Open has scores for 3 Rec Women and a Junior < 13 girl. Since my daughter is 10 years old and plays in the rec women's division, this is perfect information.

My only question is how many holes were there in the 2006 Poison Ivy Open. Looking at the scores and the number of players, there was obviously more the 18 holes. It also appears round one was from the long tees and round two was from the short tees.

Thanks again for your reply. It sounds like a good course and a popular one. We will be starting our round tomorrow around 9:30am, so hopefully it won't be too crowded.

Thanks.........Rick

We played a 24 hole layout for that event.

It was an absolutely beautiful day last Saturday! My daughter and I really liked the Bear Creek course. I personally had a terrible game (two discs in the creek...on the same hole), and several deep in the trees. But it was still a great day (any day playing disc golf with my daughter is a great day). I just didn't have a great score (60 from the short tees).

It was a good course for my daughter to play on. It forced her to make accurate throws. The courses we play in Houston don't do that. In Houston (on most holes) she just throws the disc as hard as she can and it doesn't really matter if she misses the fairway to the right or to the left (unless she hits a tree). Missing the fairway doesn't effect her score that much. However at Bear Creek she had to focus more on accuracy. She had a good round (she shot a 69 from the short tees) and seemed to think about and plan her throws a little better. On four of the holes she actually had makeable birdie putts (putts of 25 feet or less). She made one birdie (hole 16) and was thrilled. It was only her 3rd deuce ever.

We had a lot of fun and will definitely play Bear Creek again.

Thanks...........Rick

Very nice birdie on #16! :cool:

No ace(s) last night. Next week's pot will start at $560ish. Sign up BEFORE 5:55. Starts @ 6pm.

Thats tough to read. I hit #12 long monday night playing casual.

Well then come on out and do it again on Wed.! :p

Is the Ace Pot still FAT?

What does this mini cost and how much is the ace pot? I have a new rec player coming out and need some info for him. I also hope to be there this Wednesday, the 26th.

Usually it's one division only.....Open. There hasn't been too big of a turnout yet this year. 20 at the most. $8 gets you into the mini, including the ace pot. Ace is around $600, but you only take 80% of the pot.

Hope to see you there eithway way John..

looking forward to it...

Hope to see you there either way John..

looking forward to it...

BC's ace pot will push over $900 tonight! This ace pot does not cap! The course rule is 80% / 20%. Ace gets 80% of the pot, 20% remains for next week.......

It's big, REALLY big!

It's going down!

I about got 12 long last week. :cool:

If you get it this week, it'll be worth about $1100 minus 20% :eek:

Have you guys started splitting up divisions out there yet?

I enjoy BC, but there is no need to donate to the pro's every week, unless I am just on that day.

At least a Pro and Adv division may get a better turnout - IMO

BC's Wed night mini has been divisionless since 1995! You'd be surprised how often Nolan or myself miss the cash out there. Besides, it's mostly local boys that aren't even PDGA members or tournament players that are tough to beat. They want to play for cash, so we play for cash. When in Rome...........

True - just wish there were 2 groups to increase the turnout, but you would know better what works out there and what doesn't

See you on the course sometime soon John!

Adam,

If you get a big group of Am's to come out, they(we) will offer the division. Mace(if he's there), or myself (Discraft only) will handle the plastic payout.

Come on out....the ace is over $ 1,100

The payout doesn't have to be plastic - McKinney pays out all divisions in cash.

I don't even know too many that want to play a mini for plastic except some of the BB crew :D

What ever anybody can cash out at BC.

You are not playing against more than two or three pros anyways. Don't be skared. :p

Am's shouldn't be paid cash. What's the incentive to play open if you are paying Am's cash?

Notice i said open and not pro. :D

Well at McKinney for instance he has been tracking the scores since the beginning of the season and you are required to move up if you keep cashing at a lower level

I just don't need anymore plastic :D

LOL. None of us needs anymore plastic.

Keeping track of scores would work. Another option would be what Arlington use to do....1st place winner would have to play in the next higher division the following week(or the next time they show up.) :D

That too - that is how all the minis I used to play in OKC were like - you win, you move up - ahh the good 'ol days

I never played a Friday Night Doubles before a tourney for plastic until I moved to TX - it was all cash! :D

Since you won't read it on LSDGA.com.........

Discraft's one disc ace race at Bear Creek will be on Wed night 9/6/06, flex start 5pm - 6pm. PM or email me to RSVP your package today. For more info: http://www.discraft.com/events_acerace_06.html

Any word on the new disc?

The subject says it all.

Wed night.......sign up before 5:45pm, start at 6pm.

My lord!

My lord!



That's who i'll be praying to on every tee pad. ;)

$1,300 Ace pot at Bear Creek....the course in Grapevine, TX? :confused:

I sure do miss the DFW ace pools... :(

playing from 16 long tees and 2 shorts. :(

Gotcher, it's changed a lot since you last played it.

Usually a pretty good mix of long/short pads. Always 2 or 3 VERY aceable holes.

Long time Bear Creek local Justin Sanders aces hole #12 from the long pad. Total ace pot was $1303....Justin gets 80% ($1,043) and leaves 20% ($260) for next weeks ace.

CONGRATS Justin!

ps. Thanks for the split! :D

Sweeeet............how many splits were you in on, John?

I only had a card split last night. It was a fivesome (J. Maiuro, N. Grider, K. Geesa, Dennie Ortega, Justin Sanders.)

I was extremely happy to see it fall to a regular Wed nighter.

It won't be too long before it's up there again. The entry is $8, $5 for the payout, and $3 for the ace pot. There is no more course fund b/c the wonderful city of Grapevine gives us anything that we ask for within reason. Scorecards and mini sheets are donated by Xerox. Although, i'm not sure Xerox knows that. :D

$3 ace pot entry.....no wonder the pot got so large at that course!

Nobody splits up here in Pittsburgh. I can't tell you how many times I've had to explain "splits" to the locals...and there are a select few who still say no to a $20 split/$200 pot!

Entry's are steadily coming in for Bear Creek's Discraft One Disc Ace Race.

When: Wed 9/6/06 5pm-6pm flex start.
Where: Bear Creek disc golf course GRAPEVINE, TX.

We will set up 12 short teepads on holes 1-12 and play the loop 3 times for a total of 36 holes. The man/woman with the most aces wins!

$20 gets you entry into the event, 2 prototype discs, hat, mini......and a chance at the $300 merch prize.

Join us on 9/6 for ONE good time. To reserve your package and place in the event.....

Email: Hero_Disc @ Hotmail.com (all together of course)

Entry's are steadily coming in for Bear Creek's Discraft One Disc Ace Race.

When: Wed 9/6/06 5pm-6pm flex start.
Where: Bear Creek disc golf course GRAPEVINE, TX.

We will set up 12 short teepads on holes 1-12 and play the loop 3 times for a total of 36 holes. The man/woman with the most aces wins!

$20 gets you entry into the event, 2 prototype discs, hat, mini......and a chance at the $300 merch prize.

Join us on 9/6 for ONE good time. To reserve your package and place in the event.....

Email: Hero_Disc @ Hotmail.com (all together of course)




Must order packs tomorrow for this event. PM or email me to reserve one.