Not much smack on here today...i guess everybody is on their way to worlds.

Who cares............we can talk smack and play cards in person on friday :D

not yet *****

we will be rolling in during the early part of the afternoon...plan on playing Walnut Ridge first thing.

MI and NC should meet up before and play a few friendly rounds before the tourney. If ya'll wanna meet up shoot me a PM.

EOG

who are the usual suspects?

NC:
Brian Berman
Paul Bergey
Brian Bennett
Gary Carmichael
Justin Jernigan
Chad Kawaminami
Jason Land
Robert Leonard
Eddie Ogburn
Matt Peckham
Kurt Powers
Steve Waters
Adam Weaks
Jeff Yahn
Jody White
Robert Wynne

I left off a couple of 800 rated players.

MI
Ben Calhoun
Matt Churches
Erik Drukis
Nathan Facine
DJ Hunt
Paul Jefferies
Kyle Joncas
Matt Lacey
Gerald Layman
Steev Millz
Jamie Mosier
Dan Oakley
Josh Romine
Scott Slater
Dan Snyder
Kevin Tomasaitis
Kurt K. Trepins
Jerry Urban
Bryan Vagi
Sancho R. Valdez

You definitely have a deep field, but it's expected, you are a lot closer...

I'm hopin' to be at the hotel by..uh... 2? thursday, then settin' up camp and headin' out to a course. see ya :D

that avatar is hott

Matt that sounds like a good idea. Team MI & NC will rule the world(s). See ya all on friday. Mills we need another texas holdem tourney like we had at michiana.

Later everyone

Dan Oakley #16177

We should just combine and take on the whole rest of the COUNTRY................No one would even have a chance :o

I cant get as drunk as i did in michiana though..........this is WORLDS and i need to focus.............but i will have some balla ACE chips and a table so we will definatley hook it up

See all you guys on friday

We should just combine and take on the whole rest of the COUNTRY................No one would even have a chance :o





That's what the NBA said with the USA team and look what is happening with that

Well they DOMINATED untill this year...............I still think they will be ok once they get used to playing together and how everyone else plays

Well they DOMINATED untill this year...............I still think they will be ok once they get used to playing together and how everyone else plays



Guess you missed the World Championships two years ago... when the US got SMOKED.

alright, top 5 it is then... and apparently we're throwing out the semis and finals. what are we betting cbdiscpunk?

oh, and you want a side bet?



yeah, no [*****], i think i quoted you. cool, we'll go 8, read the title. what and how many 'plastic' are we looking at?

and i don't see any mention of the side bet in your ramblings.... scared?



whatever you're comfortable betting.... and we still haven't decided the bet for the top 8.


how many times do i have to ask about the bet? obviously, i can sense you're not comfortable putting up anything of value to back up your skills... so why don't you just put up some discraft then?

Well, well, well...what do we have here. The most diabolical group of haters north of all the good DG states.
cbdiscpimp, what can I say about your game that hasn't already been said about Jamie Mosier's...get a putt and it would still be *****.
westa, why don't you click your heels three times and go back to intermediate.
adaml, hateful thing you said about NC accents...we learned it from your mom's intonation when a bunch of our dickks were in her mouth

****, that is some funny *****

cbdiscpimp, what can I say about your game that hasn't already been said about Jamie Mosier's...get a putt and it would still be *****.
westa, why don't you click your heels three times and go back to intermediate.
adaml, hateful thing you said about NC accents...we learned it from your mom's intonation when a bunch of our dickks were in her mouth.



I already told you that i hear you got a putt and all the REAL pros stick it in your butt.
Westa never left intermediate :o
As for adaml's mom. You guys are saying you like talking like you have a bunch of dickks in your mouth. Thats freakin HILLARIOUS. I mean i knew you guys were SANDBAGGERS what i didnt know what you like to talk like you have dickks in your mouth.

Well i guess i should have know by the way you rap. Its pretty flaming so i should have known you like dickks in your mouth.

Maybe bumple likes to bump NUTS off his CHIN.

any response to the post before that?

Ill bet you ten bucks or whatever you want to bet SANDBAGGER

Ill bet you ten bucks or whatever you want to bet SANDBAGGER

lets make it $20, me vs. you. ..

and thanks for the compliment

OK lets make it 20.

What the compliment that you talk like you have ***** in your mouth or the compliment that you and bumps like to bump ball on your chins :o

i was referring to the 'sandbagger' compliment you cockgobbling analwhore

Thats not a compliment you fudge packing ***** Dumpster

Let's keep it clean, children.

For the first time ever with anything on the messae board.

I'm staying out of this

you only wish you were good enough to be called that taint-tickling prostrate-pincher

You only wish you could throw as far as me you herpes infested ACE pimple

if your D gives me a 924 rating, then no thanks you splooge-slurping rectum-raider

WOW :o

if your D gives me a 924 rating, then no thanks you splooge-slurping rectum-raider



You can talk about my rating all you want you purple headed your slinger lickin salad tossin POLE SMOKER because you have been playin about twice as long as i have.

This thread has finally become entertaining. Good luck to all you fools headed to Iowa

**** yahnni thats just gross

You can talk about my rating all you want you purple headed your slinger lickin salad tossin POLE SMOKER because you have been playin about twice as long as i have.

if you're going to try and keep up with me can you at least make it coherent, instead of this ignorant jibberish. and, tell yourself whatever you have to covince yourself to accept that rating you facial-taking scat-slut

LOL!!!! Jefferson just keeps em' comin!

team MI takes down NC in the doubles
nice shootin al and sue!

To quote MC bUMPLEsTILTSKIN....

"You better use your brain
cuz your drive must suck
teein' off on hole 1
peeps on 6 gotta duck
hit a career total of 3 putts
all 18 feet of luck
I could drive a truck
through those fairways
bigger than a great lake
you can't fake, take, or make
this ***** up for gods sake
I'm gonna rip up worlds
in 2 zero zero 4
then take your girl home
leave your seconds on the floor
sweat drippin from her pores
my jumbo marshmallow
overwhelming her smores
and the door is all
that you will be seein'
peein' in your pants
wantin' to be retrievin'
my 50 footers droppin in
from every possible angle
not runnin' circles around you
but your BOB on every rectangle"

That is the shizznit. Go NC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

NC takes out MI in distance, and has already claimed a world title.

Steve Mills, aka cbdiscpimp, was the last qualifier for the distance finals until I walked up and threw a 504 foot drive takin him out!

9 yr. old Dave Wiggins Jr. won his first of probably a few world titles this week as he drove around 220 feet to take home the under 10 distance championship.

Michigan won adv. master distance though

Tally
NC - 1
MI - 1

9 yr. old Dave Wiggins Jr. won his first of probably a few world titles this week as he drove around 220 feet to take home the under 10 distance championship.




Way to go lil' Dave! High Point is proud of you! Keep it up buddy!

Thanks for the update Robert, did somebody give you a new hat yet :D

Did someone set up the "MTL" tent?

Thanks for the update Robert, did somebody give you a new hat yet :D



actually I did get a new hat - I swear

A nice new Innova hat (10X stamp of course) with my PDGA number and MTL engraved in it. It's def. a first run

that was sweet

MI is rockin out the j pool after their first rounds today. keep it up guys!

NC takes out MI in distance, and has already claimed a world title.

IM PRETTY SURE YOU DIDNT WIN DISTANCE Cuz a kid from IOWA threw 537 AND our honorary team member threw 534 and then the 3rd place kid threw over 500...........Wait what did you throw in the finals.................OH YEAH YOU DIDNT EVEN THROW OVER 450 you SISSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Mills, aka cbdiscpimp, was the last qualifier for the distance finals until I walked up and threw a 504 foot drive takin him out!




By the way you should check out the SCOREBOARD before you talk any more *****

SCOREBOARD BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

scoreboard says JJ!!!!!

But glad to see your playin well too. I would rather be there in DFL than be working.

I think that he is referring to the lack of NCers in the top ADV pool... A lot of the NC guys are capable of turning things around and making up ground throughout the rest of the week.

Good luck guys... Keep it up JJ.

screw the golf we wanna know whos winning at poker :D

hows the queen city treating you snappa'? yeah NC better get it going...stop stayin up late playin poker and get some rest. by the way who is winning at poker?

The Queen City is alright... Renny is beating me up, but I am going back for more. I will get my game back!

Hopefully you will get some of your discs back too :D

Doubtful... I am throwing them in some odd places on the course.

looking good PIMP keep it up :cool:

Good shootin' BS mojo! Droppin rhymes, pickin' up birdies! :D

Good luck to everyone for the rest of the week!!!!!!!!!!!!

NC takes out MI in distance, and has already claimed a world title.

IM PRETTY SURE YOU DIDNT WIN DISTANCE Cuz a kid from IOWA threw 537 AND our honorary team member threw 534 and then the 3rd place kid threw over 500...........Wait what did you throw in the finals.................OH YEAH YOU DIDNT EVEN THROW OVER 450 you SISSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Mills, aka cbdiscpimp, was the last qualifier for the distance finals until I walked up and threw a 504 foot drive takin him out!




By the way you should check out the SCOREBOARD before you talk any more *****



Uh - maybe If I was talking about me I would be lieing. I was talking about David Wiggins, who won distance and under 10 and is leading by over 40 strokes.

He's team NC.

By the way - came signed my disc tonight NC is the place to be

Maybe if you quit yappin and started playing then you boys could bring the psuedo trophy back to NC.

And quit countin on JJ and David wiggins to carry you. I swear makin a 10 year old do your dirty work. Should be ashamed of yourself. :D

Maybe if you quit yappin and started playing then you boys could bring the psuedo trophy back to NC.

And quit countin on JJ and David wiggins to carry you. I swear makin a 10 year old do your dirty work. Should be ashamed of yourself. :D



and another quote from JJ.

Hey pimp, let me let you in on a little secret real quick. First off i would like to say to all my NC boys how much i appreciate the props and such. But, my intentions at am worlds have nothing to do with what is said here on the board. I could not care less if i place 1st or DFL at am worlds. What i am looking forward to and i KNOW I WILL do there is have the best time of my life, playing a sport that i love and have played since i could read and write. Yes i will play my heart out and i would LOVE to place well, but it is not a main goal of mine to do so. So being that a few people think i am a favorite to win am worlds, let them think it, because it is not going to change my goal at AM worlds

JJ is having fun. Not saying a word. Has great sportsmanship as well. Looks like the future of disc golf is here in NC. We should follow their lead and just throw.

who cares where, its disc golf as a whole that really matters.disc golfers are a unique breed, keep it real!! good luck to all!!! JJ, **** that kid is good..

He should be. He's grown up w/ a pretty nice course in his backyard that his dad built when JJ was 5. He's been groomed for this. I remember his dad telling me years ago that he would someday be world champ. This is his first step. Definitely keep an eye on this kid. There's more to come for sure.

:D GO PIMP GO :D

Thanks forgiven

Shot 2 Down today at Grand View then shot a 1 Down at Carol Marty with a double circle 6

Thanks for the support man

Thanks forgiven

Shot 2 Down today at Grand View then shot a 1 Down at Carol Marty with a double circle 6

Thanks for the support man



nice shooting
I'm 12 back of ya now, but I got GV and you got Ewing. so I might catch up w/ ya

So what are the final results of Team NC vs. Team MI? Will someone please tabulate the results and let us know?

Here is what I did:
1) I listed out the top 60 players from both MI & NC from PDGA.com's Player Rating page.
2) I manually went through the players from the Worlds listings and figured out who was from NC & MI. It is possible I made some ommissions and mistakes, so please check for accuracy. I will fix and re-post if necessary
3) I sorted by place of finish and added both Finish Place (end of Friday) and Total Score.

You can easily see who won by place or total score for the top 4, top 6, or any amount you want up to 13 places.

<table border="1"><tr><td>Place</td><td>Cumu</td><td>MI Playas</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score</td><td>Cumu</td><td></td><td>Place</td><td>Cumu</td><td>NC Playas</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score</td><td>Cumu
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>10</td><td>10</td><td>Josh Romine</td><td>20306</td><td>954</td><td>447</td><td>447</td><td></td><td>1</td><td>1</td><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>22284</td><td>986</td><td>422</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>15</td><td>25</td><td>Steve Mills</td><td>23516</td><td>924</td><td>452</td><td>899</td><td></td><td>21</td><td>22</td><td>Robert J. Leonard</td><td>21676</td><td>933</td><td>456</td><td>878
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>19</td><td>44</td><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>23985</td><td>966</td><td>455</td><td>1354</td><td></td><td>37</td><td>59</td><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>20914</td><td>946</td><td>464</td><td>1342
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>21</td><td>65</td><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>23110</td><td>937</td><td>456</td><td>1810</td><td></td><td>45</td><td>104</td><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>21325</td><td>938</td><td>465</td><td>1807
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>29</td><td>94</td><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>16144</td><td>947</td><td>460</td><td>2270</td><td></td><td>52</td><td>156</td><td>Jason Land</td><td>20353</td><td>945</td><td>466</td><td>2273
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>37</td><td>131</td><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>24218</td><td>948</td><td>464</td><td>2734</td><td></td><td>62</td><td>218</td><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>21170</td><td>956</td><td>469</td><td>2742
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>62</td><td>193</td><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>20697</td><td>953</td><td>469</td><td>3203</td><td></td><td>75</td><td>293</td><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>23102</td><td>926</td><td>471</td><td>3213
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>90</td><td>283</td><td>Nathan Facine</td><td>16544</td><td>928</td><td>474</td><td>3677</td><td></td><td>125</td><td>418</td><td>Steve Waters</td><td>20175</td><td>925</td><td>480</td><td>3693
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>119</td><td>402</td><td>Ben Calhoun</td><td>16000</td><td>921</td><td>479</td><td>4156</td><td></td><td>130</td><td>548</td><td>Kurt Powers</td><td>16773</td><td>944</td><td>481</td><td>4174
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>119</td><td>521</td><td>Paul Jefferies</td><td>18812</td><td>918</td><td>479</td><td>4635</td><td></td><td>140</td><td>688</td><td>Jody White</td><td>20797</td><td>917</td><td>483</td><td>4657
</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>130</td><td>651</td><td>Kyle Joncas</td><td>22966</td><td>915</td><td>481</td><td>5116</td><td></td><td>154</td><td>842</td><td>Robert Wynne</td><td>17117</td><td>920</td><td>486</td><td>5143
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>206</td><td>857</td><td>Matt Lacey</td><td>17429</td><td>921</td><td>500</td><td>5616</td><td></td><td>154</td><td>996</td><td>Chad Kawaminami</td><td>19939</td><td>935</td><td>486</td><td>5629
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Looks like MI won...

WHAT HAPPENED GUYS????

So, as you see, If you take the top 4 by score, NC wins by 3 strokes.
If you take top 5, MI wins by 3.
Top 8 (as suggested earlier), MI wins by 16 strokes!

Things look even better for MI if you go by cumulative finish place.

I'll let someone else announce the winner, but as an NC'er, I hate to say that someone else is the DG Capitol of the World!

Congrats to MI!!

Of course, this may need to be edited if I made any mistakes.

FINAL TERMS for Team MI vs Team NC:

All rounds will be totaled before semis and finals.

MA1 - Top 8 from each state.
MM1 - Top 1 from each state.
FW1 - Top 1 from each state.
MPO - Top 1 from each state including David Feldberg and Ron Russell on MI and not including Cam Todd for NC.
FPO - Top 1 from each state not including Lesli Herndon for NC.
MPM - Top 1 from each state.
MJ1 - Top 1 from each state. -- Sorry Caleb!

Lowest total score determines the best overall DG state B ITCHES! Side bets are optional. Other states are welcomed to join if they think they can hang. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif




I think if you use this formuls that was set by MI then NC wins.

But does it matter?

sorry it was NC that set this up. My bad

How bout it Marchant? Can you figure those into the totals?

You forgot Scott Slater(MA1), because he is a junior. I think he's a few places behind Romine.

You are missing 9th place after 8 rounds at + 13 Scott Slater
from Livonia, Michigan he may not show because he is a junior playing AM1. Also in 130th place at +49 is Jamie Mosier he is also a junior playing AM1. Those 2 are just the obvious omissions, I would need to really look closer to see if you missed anyone else.

Dave,

Thanks for the info. Would it be possible for you to post the names and PDGA# of ALL NC and MI players in ALL Pro, AM, and Juniors Divsions?

Or if that's too much just the top 10 from both NC and MI in ALL Pro, AM, and Junior divisions.

You can also email me the info at [email protected]

I want to do some calculating too.

FINAL TERMS for Team MI vs Team NC:

All rounds will be totaled before semis and finals.

MA1 - Top 8 from each state.
MM1 - Top 1 from each state.
FW1 - Top 1 from each state.
MPO - Top 1 from each state including David Feldberg and Ron Russell on MI and not including Cam Todd for NC.
FPO - Top 1 from each state not including Lesli Herndon for NC.
MPM - Top 1 from each state.
MJ1 - Top 1 from each state. -- Sorry Caleb!

Lowest total score determines the best overall DG state B ITCHES! Side bets are optional. Other states are welcomed to join if they think they can hang. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif




I think if you use this formuls that was set by MI then NC wins.

But does it matter?



Here it is done through Friday. Since not everyone in this list made it to the semis or the finals, final scores could not be used. Plus the final scores are not even posted yet.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Div</td><td>Place</td><td>MI Playas</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score</td><td></td><td>Div</td><td>Place</td><td>NC Playas</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>10</td><td>Josh Romine</td><td>20306</td><td>954</td><td>447</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>1</td><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>22284</td><td>986</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>15</td><td>Steve Mills</td><td>23516</td><td>924</td><td>452</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Robert J. Leonard</td><td>21676</td><td>933</td><td>456
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>19</td><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>23985</td><td>966</td><td>455</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>20914</td><td>946</td><td>464
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>23110</td><td>937</td><td>456</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>45</td><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>21325</td><td>938</td><td>465
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>29</td><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>16144</td><td>947</td><td>460</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>52</td><td>Jason Land</td><td>20353</td><td>945</td><td>466
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>24218</td><td>948</td><td>464</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>21170</td><td>956</td><td>469
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>20697</td><td>953</td><td>469</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>75</td><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>23102</td><td>926</td><td>471
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>90</td><td>Nathan Facine</td><td>16544</td><td>928</td><td>474</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>125</td><td>Steve Waters</td><td>20175</td><td>925</td><td>480
</td></tr><tr><td>MM1</td><td>2</td><td>Rick Rat Man Hunt</td><td>11084</td><td>940</td><td>465</td><td></td><td>MM1</td><td>11</td><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>473
</td></tr><tr><td>FW1</td><td>11</td><td>Crystal Tylzynski</td><td>13946</td><td>839</td><td>533</td><td></td><td>FW1</td><td>12</td><td>Monica Livingston</td><td>23515</td><td>814</td><td>537
</td></tr><tr><td>MPO</td><td>5</td><td>David Feldberg</td><td>12626</td><td>1016</td><td>409</td><td></td><td>MPO</td><td>3</td><td>Brian Schweberger</td><td>12989</td><td>1014</td><td>406
</td></tr><tr><td>FPO</td><td>14</td><td>Sue Stephens</td><td>10977</td><td>901</td><td>514</td><td></td><td>FPO</td><td>15</td><td>Mandi Snodgrass</td><td>19373</td><td>897</td><td>511
</td></tr><tr><td>MPM</td><td>2</td><td>Al Schack</td><td>3407</td><td>1003</td><td>423</td><td></td><td>MPM</td><td>6</td><td>Larry Leonard</td><td>3832</td><td>1014</td><td>432
</td></tr><tr><td>MJ1</td><td>16</td><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>22238</td><td>858</td><td>463</td><td></td><td>MJ1</td><td>3</td><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>20986</td><td>945</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>6484</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>6474
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

It's a squeeker! But, NC wins it on with this approach!!

Disclaimer - I do not know 100% for sure if I got all of the MI players correct. I did my best using what is listed on PDGA's player rating pages.

TEAM NC 4 LIFE PLAYAS

Looks like you had a great tournament, MTL. Great shooting - almost caught your arch-nemesis! Way to represent. Congrats on a fine showing.

I am now holding off on congradulating the winner until I know for sure who won.

Congradulations to both sides regardless.

Look again in AM1 for Scott Slater at 13 th after semis, he is Michigan all the way. It may affect your computations if you include all the MI Golfers.

Look again in AM1 for Scott Slater at 13 th after semis,

Look again at the terms of the challenge:
FINAL TERMS for Team MI vs Team NC:

All rounds will be totaled <font color="red">before semis and finals</font>

You're right. For some reason his name did not show up in the Player Rating search. He is registered as M1J (Junior) - maybe that is why he didn't show up.

Do you see any other mistakes/oversights? Your input about Scott will certainly make a difference.

I do not want to recompute and repost repeatedly with every piece of input. I will wait until all feedback is gotten. I maybe will not update again at all. The reason I say that is that all the fun surrounding this trash talking thread was in laying claim to which state could claim DG world dominance. It is pretty clear that it is close to a dead heat - no dominance any way you cut it (only 0.15% differential!). So, this might have to be settled next year.

Congrats to both NC &amp; MI for helping to make this a very entertaining event for us unfortunate souls who had to follow the action from our PC's.

Is there any quick way to find out who all the players from NC and MI are? Is there any website that has all of the Worlds players listed by state?

Hi Lowe,

I can not find an easy way to do that either. Before the tournament starts the registration list shows that info, but for some reason that is not included anywhere else.

The only way I could figure out how to get a player's/member's state is by doing a lot of painstaking manual work - either typing in their name into the 'member search' feature or by sorting by state in the 'player ratings' feature (both found under the 'membership' tab above or below).

I have not done any magic, just a bunch of work that anyone else can easily do (if they feel like spending the time).

Thanks,
dave...

Look again in AM1 for Scott Slater at 13 th after semis,

Look again at the terms of the challenge:
FINAL TERMS for Team MI vs Team NC:

All rounds will be totaled <font color="red">before semis and finals</font>





OK he was in 9th place at the end of 8 rounds... figure it that way then. :D

Congratulations to both team MI and NC for keeping it together, and showing the world how great disc golfers are from these states. From what I here, there was no bloodshed, although if you have seen MTL without his shirt on, or in his pink panties, things may have been different. A great job to all. Salute.

PS: Can we get a shoutout to Dave M. for "working" the stats so that we have the information for future smack talking. Thanks Dave!

i gotta thank team NC for hookin up the dischick(s) of MI! steelin the ladies on the first night mustn't have razzeled MI atall, hahahaha.
way to go MI! thanx NC! see ya next year!

From what I here, there was no bloodshed, although if you have seen MTL without his shirt on, or in his pink panties, things may have been different.




That was our secret weapon - there was no need to deploy it - team NC arose Victorious

You MI guys are cool as he11. cb, hopefully I'll be up there for am nationals. THanks for the beer too! :D Great to meet you all. Keep it REAL. If you guys are ever in NC, you got a place to stay in the capital city. Maybe next year I wont burn my throwing hand the day before I fly out! I told you bout my boy JJ BEYOTCH!


EOG

Man, I gotta say that it has been an absolute blast reading and watching and rooting and living vicariously thru you cats.
My advice would be screw all the stats unless there's some crazy bad blood or a large side wager, (and that doesn't mean I don't really appreciate the stat crunchin', 'cos that is just cool to have it up so soon), and call it a draw and the beginning of a great friendly rivalry (read again friendly). I wish so bad that my game had been in good enough shape to join all of you!!! (I have been playing a heck of alot these last couple weeks and even got my 1st ace in like 2+ years last week). I will join the fray very soon. Congrats again to everybody! :cool:

Sup everybody, It was a blast playin with all you NC boyz, hopefully we can meet up again, great shootin guys, talk to ya later....(MTL, I never found the tampons) ;)

I'm using a different approach and you can make of it what you will. (I bet the loser will find some reason to howl.) I'm looking at the finishing place of all players in all divisions: Pro, Am, & Junior. Each person gets points according to the number of people that they beat, so the more people in a division the higher possible points. The only restriction is taking only the top 10 finishers in: Male Pro Open (MPO), Male Pro Masters (MPM), and Male Am Adv (MA1) because these pools are so large.

I've got the lists of invited players and will check by state then match them with the results, but it will take a while.

The biggest problem is that there are other players who aren't on the invited list, but that's the best I can do.

I've already finished all of the Juniors using this method.

It will take a while to compile and my time is very limited, but I'll keep you informed.

The MI Junior Girls swept the <16 division and took at least 2 of the 3 <13 places. I think Bruce Brakel gets lots of credit for that.

Here are the Junior Results that I've come up with. There may be omissions, so please let me know of any corrections.

<table border="1"><tr><td>JUNIORS</td><td># Finishers</td><td>NC Name</td><td>PDGA #</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points</td><td></td><td>MI Name</td><td>PDGA #</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td><19 Boys</td><td>22</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>20986</td><td>3</td><td>19</td><td></td><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>22238</td><td>16</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Nick Brown</td><td></td><td>21</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><16 Boys</td><td>31</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><13 Boys</td><td>11</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><10 Boys</td><td>5</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td>David Wiggins</td><td></td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td></td><td>Marc Burnett</td><td></td><td>2</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><19 Girls</td><td>2</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><16 Girls</td><td>3</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Kelsey Brakel</td><td></td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Emily Sacrenty</td><td></td><td>2</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Jennifer Fox</td><td></td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td><13 Girls</td><td>3</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Sarah Scrivener</td><td></td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>Kiralyn Brakel</td><td></td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr><tr><td></td><td></td><td>NC JR TOTAL</td><td>23</td><td></td><td></td><td>MI JR TOTAL</td><td>17
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

(Note that the table formatting came out looking funky, at least on my computer, so some of the MI cells may appear shifted to the right. NC only has 2 entries.)

Sup everybody, It was a blast playin with all you NC boyz, hopefully we can meet up again, great shootin guys, talk to ya later....(MTL, I never found the tampons) ;)



I left them like 500 feet off the tee - you know about 100 feet behind your drives

Id have to say this is going to be the start to MANY MANY MANY more friendly battles with the NC Boyz.

It was great meeting all of you and i hope to see you guys up here for AM Nationals. Just look me up and youll have a place to stay.

Congrats to everyone on a good week of golf.

Congrats to JJ on being the 2004 Am World Champ. Great playing and great sportsmanship out of that kid. Good luck in the Open Division playa.

MTL, OG, Real_Jefferson it was great talking trash with all you cats then gettin to play all week with you guys...........If you ever need a place to stay in MI just look me up and you can stay with me.

This was the best DG Expierience of my entire life..........Even though my DG life is only coming up on 2 years here in a few months.

..Even though my DG life is only coming up on 2 years here in a few months.



You haven't even been playing 2 years yet?? You've made amazing progress!! Congratulations on placing so well at Am Worlds.

-Lowe

thanks steve, glad i got to meet you bro, hope to see you around and about!!!

JJ

Wash that dirty-*** doo-doo brown shirt that you wore like 4 days in a row...

Here's what I've been able to put together for the Pros. Please let me know if there are any omissions.

Points are awarded for how many players they beat.

(Note that the x and "." are only place holders for proper formatting.)
<table border="1"><tr><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points
</td></tr><tr><td>Open</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian Schweberger</td><td>3</td><td>147
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian McRee</td><td>15</td><td>135
</td></tr><tr><td>Walter Haney</td><td>22</td><td>128
</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Hofmann</td><td>41</td><td>109
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave McQuay</td><td>68</td><td>82
</td></tr><tr><td>Ed Williams</td><td>92</td><td>179
</td></tr><tr><td>Stephen Johnson</td><td>118</td><td>32
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>812
</td></tr><tr><td>Masters</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>Larry Leonard</td><td>6</td><td>77
</td></tr><tr><td>Billy Crump</td><td>11</td><td>72
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>149
</td></tr><tr><td>Alan Beaver</td><td>8</td><td>26
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>26
</td></tr><tr><td>Legends</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>Ted Williams</td><td>1</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td>Open Women</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Mandi Snodgrass</td><td>15</td><td>11
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>11
</td></tr><tr><td> NC</td><td>Pro Total</td><td>1004
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

<table border="1"><tr><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td>Open</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave Feldberg</td><td>5</td><td>145
</td></tr><tr><td>Todd Branch</td><td>37</td><td>113
</td></tr><tr><td>Peter Wyngaard</td><td>48</td><td>102
</td></tr><tr><td>Brett Good</td><td>60</td><td>90
</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Durco</td><td>127</td><td>23
</td></tr><tr><td>Daymon Pugh</td><td>34</td><td>116
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>589
</td></tr><tr><td>Masters</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>Al Schack</td><td>2</td><td>81
</td></tr><tr><td>Mark Ellis</td><td>20</td><td>63
</td></tr><tr><td>Ken Gill</td><td>27</td><td>56
</td></tr><tr><td>Darren Harper</td><td>40</td><td>43
</td></tr><tr><td>x</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>243
</td></tr><tr><td>Sue Stephens</td><td>14</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td> MI</td><td>Pro Subtotal</td><td>844
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Notes:
-Points are awarded by number of finishers not total entrants, so players who didn't finish are not included.
-Last place gets 1 point.
-I didn't check for ties because that is too tedious.
-NC does not include MPO Cam Todd, FPO Lesli Herndon
-MI does not include MPO Ron Russell (FL)
-MI includes MPO Dave Feldberg

Here's what I've got so far for the top 10 Adv men. This is only after a partial check, so if there is someone I've missed please let me know. It would save me some time.

MI

<table border="1"><tr><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td>Top 10 places</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Josh Romine</td><td>9</td><td>262
</td></tr><tr><td>Scott Slater</td><td>13</td><td>258
</td></tr><tr><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>16</td><td>255
</td></tr><tr><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>19</td><td>252
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Mills</td><td>21</td><td>250
</td></tr><tr><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>30</td><td>241
</td></tr><tr><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>41</td><td>230
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>45</td><td>226
</td></tr><tr><td>Nathan Facine</td><td>90</td><td>181
</td></tr><tr><td>Jeremy Ballard</td><td>234</td><td>37
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>MI Subtotal:</td><td>2192
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

<table border="1"><tr><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points
</td></tr><tr><td>Top 10 places</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>1</td><td>270
</td></tr><tr><td>Robert Leonard</td><td>26</td><td>245
</td></tr><tr><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>36</td><td>235
</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>45</td><td>226
</td></tr><tr><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>50</td><td>221
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason Land</td><td>60</td><td>211
</td></tr><tr><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>75</td><td>196
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Waters</td><td>125</td><td>146
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian Berman</td><td>151</td><td>120
</td></tr><tr><td>Paul Allen Bergey</td><td>177</td><td>94
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>NC Subtotal:</td><td>1870
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Here are the Juniors results again. Hopefully this will be more readable.

<table border="1"><tr><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td><19 Boys</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>16</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td>Nick Brown</td><td>21</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td><10 Boys</td><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Marc Burnett</td><td>2</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td><16 Girls</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Kelsey Brakel</td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>Emily Sacrenty</td><td>2</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>Jennifer Fox</td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td><13 Girls</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Sarah Scrivener</td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>Kiralyn Brakel</td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>MI JR TOTAL</td><td>17
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

<table border="1"><tr><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points
</td></tr><tr><td>Boys <19</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>3</td><td>19
</td></tr><tr><td>Boys <10</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>David Wiggins</td><td>1</td><td>4
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>NC JR TOTAL</td><td>23
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

you missed a few in Adv.
Kurt Powers 130
Jody White 140
Robert Wynne 154
Chad Kawaminami 154

MI
Ben Calhoun 119
Jamie Mosier 130
Eddie Drukis 140

Also from MI
Ben Calhoun 119th
Paul Jeffries 119th
Jamie Mosier 130th
Kyle Joncas 130th

To name a few

I think you have a typo. Ed Williams should more likely have 79 points rather than the 179 points you listed.

you missed larry labond of MI. he tore it up too! nice shootin larry, way to represent!

Best Disc Golf experience. Spanking NC and then Peach later that night. Great golf and great fun. We'll see if NC can step up and check out the greatest course in the world at AM Nationals.(TOBOGGAN COURSE) Millz, your thumber upshot rubs....

um, since that was your first post I'll cut you some slack from the smack I should lay down here.

I'll be polite and say that NC won and thats all

Hey MTL i think he was talking about the MI advanced boyz LAYING THE SMACK down on the Advanced NC boyz.

I believe you said it yourself at Walnut. My boy added it up and you guys beat up by 50 strokes. We all know you guys have better pros out of your state then we have out of ours.

Still when it was all said and done that was the best expierience of my disc golf life as well. Even though my disc golf life has not even reach the Terrible 2s yet :D

Hey everyone, just think.... If Coda had been playing, and he was as good as he said he was, JJ would have only won by 15 or 16 strokes, instead of 19! :D

Maybe bumple likes to bump NUTS off his CHIN.



Not quite, but I found a couple of MI girls that do.

Thats good for you :confused:

I hate to say it, but using my approach MI beat NC. :(

Details will follow next week.

I hate to say it, but using my approach MI beat NC. :(

Details will follow next week.



Lowe is no longer a member of NC

Lowe is no longer a member of NC



shut up :D

Hey everyone, just think.... If Coda had been playing, and he was as good as he said he was, JJ would have only won by 15 or 16 strokes, instead of 19! :D

Hey now..easy on the Okies...I wish we could have seen the big showdown...oh welll....soon enough...Oklahoma is having their state championships in 2 weeks and whoever shoots the best round gets their invite to the USDGC, so maybe we can see them go at it there!! :D

...I'll be polite and say that NC won and thats all



um, MTL, you're really going to disown me now, but I believe that MI won according to the original rules too. Dave Marchant can confirm that.

Of course that still doesn't not diminish JJ's glory in crushing the field for NC!

Here are the final results of where all of the MI and NC players finished in all divisions. It will be a whompin' big table.

Please let me know of any omissions or corrections. There may be people I missed who played, but weren't on the Qualifiers list.

Sorry for the bad news NC. (I'll confess that I thought about just not posting any results and forgetting the whole thing. I guess my sin nature is still at work . :p)

Note:
-Points are awarded for how many players they beat.
-Points are awarded by number of finishers, not total entrants, so players who didn't finish are not included in the points calculations.
-Because it is easier to drive to Iowa from Michigan than from NC there were probably more players from MI who attended the Worlds. Therefore I made a concession to the NC team. In the Men�s Pro Open, Men's Adv. Division, and Men�s Adv. Masters I only counted the top number of MI players that equaled the number of NC players.
-Last place gets 1 point.
-I didn't check for ties because that is too tedious.
-NC does not include MPO Cam Todd, FPO Lesli Herndon
-MI does not include MPO Ron Russell (FL)
-MI does include MPO Dave Feldberg

Summary
<table border="1"><tr><td>NC Pro Total</td><td>883</td><td>MI Pro Total</td><td>1027
</td></tr><tr><td>NC AM Total:</td><td>2861</td><td>MI AM Total:</td><td>3509
</td></tr><tr><td>NC JR TOTAL</td><td>23</td><td>MI JR TOTAL</td><td>17
</td></tr><tr><td>NC TOTAL</td><td>3767</td><td>MI TOTAL</td><td>4553
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

COMPLETE RESULTS

<table border="1"><tr><td>DIVISION</td><td># Finishers</td><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points</td><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td>PRO</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Open - MPO</td><td>150</td><td>Brian Schweberger</td><td>3</td><td>147</td><td>Dave Feldberg</td><td>5</td><td>145
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Brian McRee</td><td>15</td><td>135</td><td>Larry LaBond</td><td>12</td><td>138
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Walter Haney</td><td>22</td><td>128</td><td>Daymon Pugh</td><td>34</td><td>116
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Mike Hofmann</td><td>41</td><td>109</td><td>Todd Branch</td><td>37</td><td>113
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Dave McQuay</td><td>68</td><td>82</td><td>Peter Wyngaard</td><td>48</td><td>102
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Ed Williams</td><td>92</td><td>58</td><td>Brett Good</td><td>60</td><td>90
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Stephen Johnson</td><td>118</td><td>32</td><td>Don Houseman</td><td>82</td><td>68
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>691</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>772
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Other MI MPO:</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Mike Durco</td><td>127</td><td>23
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Masters - MPM</td><td>83</td><td>Larry Leonard</td><td>6</td><td>77</td><td>Al Schack</td><td>2</td><td>81
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Billy Crump</td><td>11</td><td>72</td><td>Mark Ellis</td><td>20</td><td>63
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Ken Gill</td><td>27</td><td>56
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Darren Harper</td><td>40</td><td>43
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>149</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>243
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>MPGM</td><td>34</td><td>Alan Beaver</td><td>8</td><td>26</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>26</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>MPSGM</td><td>10</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>MPL</td><td>7</td><td>Ted Williams</td><td>1</td><td>6</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>6</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>FPO</td><td>26</td><td>Mandi Snodgrass</td><td>15</td><td>11</td><td>Sue Stephens</td><td>14</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>11</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>FPM</td><td>9</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>FPGM</td><td>4</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>NC Pro TOTAL</td><td>883</td><td>.</td><td>MI Pro TOTAL</td><td>1027
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>AM</td><td># Finishers</td><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points</td><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td>M ADV</td><td>271</td><td>Top 14 places</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Top 14 places</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>1</td><td>270</td><td>Josh Romine</td><td>9</td><td>262
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Robert Leonard</td><td>26</td><td>245</td><td>Scott Slater</td><td>13</td><td>258
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>36</td><td>235</td><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>16</td><td>255
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>45</td><td>226</td><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>19</td><td>252
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>50</td><td>221</td><td>Steve Mills</td><td>21</td><td>250
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jason Land</td><td>60</td><td>211</td><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>30</td><td>241
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>75</td><td>196</td><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>41</td><td>230
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Steve Waters</td><td>125</td><td>146</td><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>45</td><td>226
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Kurt Powers</td><td>130</td><td>141</td><td>Kurt Trepins</td><td>84</td><td>187
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jody White</td><td>140</td><td>131</td><td>Nathan Facine</td><td>90</td><td>181
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Brian Berman</td><td>151</td><td>120</td><td>Sancho Valdez</td><td>109</td><td>162
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Robert Wynne</td><td>154</td><td>117</td><td>Ben Calhoun</td><td>119</td><td>152
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Paul Allen Bergey</td><td>177</td><td>94</td><td>Paul Jefferies</td><td>119</td><td>152
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Gary Carmichael</td><td>197</td><td>74</td><td>Kyle Joncas</td><td>130</td><td>141
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>NC Subtotal:</td><td>2427</td><td>.</td><td>MI Subtotal:</td><td>2949
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Other MI Adv</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jamie Mosier</td><td>130</td><td>141
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Eddie Drukis</td><td>140</td><td>131
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Russell Clements</td><td>148</td><td>123
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Matt Churches</td><td>167</td><td>104
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Dan Oakley</td><td>182</td><td>89
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Matt Lacey</td><td>206</td><td>65
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Andrew Dutton</td><td>216</td><td>55
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jeremy Ballard</td><td>234</td><td>37
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Josh Cantor</td><td>252</td><td>19
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>M Masters</td><td>116</td><td>Top 4</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Top 4</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>11</td><td>105</td><td>Rick Hunt</td><td>3</td><td>113
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Stuart Krall</td><td>17</td><td>99</td><td>Jon Tylzynski</td><td>5</td><td>111
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Craig Whitney</td><td>23</td><td>93</td><td>Joe Levell</td><td>7</td><td>109
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Ralph Vickers</td><td>74</td><td>42</td><td>Bruce Brakel</td><td>9</td><td>107
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>339</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>440
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Other MI Adv M:</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Michael Frame</td><td>11</td><td>105
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jim Daniels</td><td>64</td><td>52
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Robert McAleer</td><td>108</td><td>8
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>M ADV- GM</td><td>42</td><td>Doug Singleton</td><td>2</td><td>40</td><td>Terry Calhoun</td><td>9</td><td>33
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Howard Mcintyre</td><td>27</td><td>15</td><td>Ron Put</td><td>20</td><td>22
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Lee Minehart</td><td>32</td><td>10</td><td>Pete Dehn</td><td>21</td><td>21
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>65</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>76
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>M ADV- SGM</td><td>11</td><td>Roger Crooks</td><td>10</td><td>1</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>1</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>F ADV</td><td>36</td><td>Monica Livingston</td><td>12</td><td>24</td><td>Crystal Tylzynski</td><td>11</td><td>25
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td></td><td>Sheila Calhoun</td><td>25</td><td>11
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td></td><td>Diana Brakel</td><td>30</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td></td><td>Dawn Lacey</td><td>34</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>24</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>44
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>F ADV- Masters</td><td>7</td><td>Denice Kiser</td><td>2</td><td>5</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Subtotal:</td><td>5</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>F ADV- GM</td><td>6</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>NC AM TOTAL:</td><td>2861</td><td>.</td><td>MI AM TOTAL:</td><td>3509
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>JUNIORS</td><td># Finishers</td><td>NC Name</td><td>NC Place</td><td>NC Points</td><td>MI Name</td><td>MI Place</td><td>MI Points
</td></tr><tr><td><19 Boys</td><td>22</td><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>3</td><td>19</td><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>16</td><td>6
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Nick Brown</td><td>21</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td><16 Boys</td><td>31</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td><13 Boys</td><td>11</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td><10 Boys</td><td>5</td><td>David Wiggins</td><td>1</td><td>4</td><td>Marc Burnett</td><td>2</td><td>3
</td></tr><tr><td><19 Girls</td><td>2</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td><16 Girls</td><td>3</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Kelsey Brakel</td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Emily Sacrenty</td><td>2</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Jennifer Fox</td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td><13 Girls</td><td>3</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Sarah Scrivener</td><td>1</td><td>2
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>Kiralyn Brakel</td><td>3</td><td>1
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>NC JR TOTAL</td><td>23</td><td>.</td><td>MI JR TOTAL</td><td>17
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

well done MI... hopefully we'll see some of you fockers at Sneeky Pete and/or Fall Finale.

billy, you started throwing a roc yet?

Here are a few more facts that may be relevant to an analysis of which is the best DG state:

The Number of Qualifiers and Players in 2004 Worlds:
<table border="1"><tr><td>Division</td><td>MI Qualified</td><td>MI Played</td><td>MI Play/Qual</td><td>NC Qualified</td><td>NC Played</td><td>NC Play/ Qual
</td></tr><tr><td>Pro</td><td>31</td><td>13</td><td>42%</td><td>32</td><td>12</td><td>38%
</td></tr><tr><td>Am</td><td>68</td><td>37</td><td>54%</td><td>59</td><td>24</td><td>41%
</td></tr><tr><td>Junior</td><td>21</td><td>8</td><td>38%</td><td>9</td><td>2</td><td>22%
</td></tr><tr><td>Total</td><td>120</td><td>58</td><td>48%</td><td>100</td><td>38</td><td>38%
</td></tr><tr><td></tr></td></table>

Analysis:
MI had more people qualify than NC and a higher percentage of these acutally played. The biggest difference was in the AM division and that's where MI scored their most points. Since it's easier to drive to Iowa from MI than from NC that may have had a lot to do with the higher MI turnout.

Other State Facts
<table border="1"><tr><td>State facts</td><td>MI</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Number of Courses in the PDGA Directory</td><td>63</td><td>53
</td></tr><tr><td>State Population, estimated 2003 (in millions)</td><td>10.1</td><td>8.4
</td></tr><tr><td>Courses per million people</td><td>6.24</td><td>6.31
</td></tr><tr><td>Land area (in 1000 sq. mi)</td><td>56,809</td><td>48,711
</td></tr><tr><td>Courses per 1000 sq. mi.</td><td>1.11</td><td>1.09
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Analysis:
The 2 states are almost identical in the number of courses per capita and in the number of courses per 1000 sq. miles. Obvioulsy DG is thriving in both areas!

I think this is a close rivalry!

we have beTTer weather....

and our beach is saltwater

A little more analysis:

If you took just the very top Male Pros --- the top 4 Open and top 2 Masters -- then NC would have won the Pro division:

<table border="1"><tr><td>Division</td><td>MI </td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Pro Open - MPO (Top 4)</td><td>512</td><td>519
</td></tr><tr><td>Pro Masters- MPM (Top 2)</td><td>144</td><td>149
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

And of course NC beat MI in Male Grandmasters and Legends as well, but these were very small fields so they didn't earn many points.

I hate to bring bad news to NC, but MI made most of their points in the Male Adv. and Male Adv. Masters divisions. They had very strong finishes as a team. Except for JJ the MI Adv. team finished consistently higher.

Holy Stats Batman!

read the 1st half of this thread last night and the 2nd half just now. thanks for helping me start my week off right.

bUMPERS, you crack me up dude...repeatedly.

I hope that we see some of you guys down here for AM Nationals and next year for DGLO. Im going to try and get out there for the Sneaky Pete but i dont know if i can because im giong down for USDGC also. Thats alot of driving and money in 2 weeks. I think its going to be one or the other. If any of you guys want to come to Nationals but dont have the money for a hotel just give me a holla and ill put you up.

Worlds was a blast and i hate to say it but . I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Us michigan boyz aint NO JOKE we bring the GAME EVERY PLACE WE GO

Hopefully this will be a long and healthy state Rivalry :D

Im going to try and get out there for the Sneaky Pete




Mills I hope you realize that USADGC and Sneeky Pete are the same weekend

Great job of putting together the stats...... BUT to clarify, your analysis is not based on the "rules" as set forth in the original wager/challenge/contest..... but on rules made up after the event was completed. The results may not be any different though, but I would like to see the real results... :)

Here are the final results as originally laid out. As you see, MI won fair and square.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Div</td><td>Place</td><td>MI Players</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score</td><td></td><td>Div</td><td>Place</td><td>NC Players</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>10</td><td>Josh Romine</td><td>20306</td><td>954</td><td>447</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>1</td><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>22284</td><td>986</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>13</td><td>Scott Slater</td><td>20695</td><td>956</td><td>445</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Robert J. Leonard</td><td>21676</td><td>933</td><td>456
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>15</td><td>Steve Mills</td><td>23516</td><td>924</td><td>452</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>20914</td><td>946</td><td>464
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>19</td><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>23985</td><td>966</td><td>455</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>45</td><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>21325</td><td>938</td><td>465
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>23110</td><td>937</td><td>456</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>52</td><td>Jason Land</td><td>20353</td><td>945</td><td>466
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>29</td><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>16144</td><td>947</td><td>460</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>21170</td><td>956</td><td>469
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>24218</td><td>948</td><td>464</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>75</td><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>23102</td><td>926</td><td>471
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>20697</td><td>953</td><td>469</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>125</td><td>Steve Waters</td><td>20175</td><td>925</td><td>480
</td></tr><tr><td>MM1</td><td>2</td><td>Rick Rat Man Hunt</td><td>11084</td><td>940</td><td>465</td><td></td><td>MM1</td><td>11</td><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>473
</td></tr><tr><td>FW1</td><td>11</td><td>Crystal Tylzynski</td><td>13946</td><td>839</td><td>533</td><td></td><td>FW1</td><td>12</td><td>Monica Livingston</td><td>23515</td><td>814</td><td>537
</td></tr><tr><td>MPO</td><td>5</td><td>David Feldberg</td><td>12626</td><td>1016</td><td>409</td><td></td><td>MPO</td><td>3</td><td>Brian Schweberger</td><td>12989</td><td>1014</td><td>406
</td></tr><tr><td>FPO</td><td>14</td><td>Sue Stephens</td><td>10977</td><td>901</td><td>514</td><td></td><td>FPO</td><td>15</td><td>Mandi Snodgrass</td><td>19373</td><td>897</td><td>511
</td></tr><tr><td>MPM</td><td>2</td><td>Al Schack</td><td>3407</td><td>1003</td><td>423</td><td></td><td>MPM</td><td>6</td><td>Larry Leonard</td><td>3832</td><td>1014</td><td>432
</td></tr><tr><td>MJ1</td><td>16</td><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>22238</td><td>858</td><td>463</td><td></td><td>MJ1</td><td>3</td><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>20986</td><td>945</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>939</td><td>6455</td><td></td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>938</td><td>6474
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

But, if NC could have counted Cam Todd and Leslie Herndon (bad move not counting them, since MI got Dave Feldberg), the results come out differently:

<table border="1"><tr><td> Div</td><td>Place</td><td>MI Players</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score</td><td></td><td>Div</td><td>Place</td><td>NC Players</td><td>PDGA</td><td>Rating</td><td>Score
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>10</td><td>Josh Romine</td><td>20306</td><td>954</td><td>447</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>1</td><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>22284</td><td>986</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>13</td><td>Scott Slater</td><td>20695</td><td>956</td><td>445</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Robert J. Leonard</td><td>21676</td><td>933</td><td>456
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>15</td><td>Steve Mills</td><td>23516</td><td>924</td><td>452</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Jeff Yahn</td><td>20914</td><td>946</td><td>464
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>19</td><td>Bryan Vagi</td><td>23985</td><td>966</td><td>455</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>45</td><td>Matt Peckham</td><td>21325</td><td>938</td><td>465
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>21</td><td>Jerry Urban</td><td>23110</td><td>937</td><td>456</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>52</td><td>Jason Land</td><td>20353</td><td>945</td><td>466
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>29</td><td>DJ Hunt</td><td>16144</td><td>947</td><td>460</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Adam Weaks</td><td>21170</td><td>956</td><td>469
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>37</td><td>Kevin Tomasaitis</td><td>24218</td><td>948</td><td>464</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>75</td><td>Eddie Ogburn</td><td>23102</td><td>926</td><td>471
</td></tr><tr><td>AM1</td><td>62</td><td>Dan Snyder</td><td>20697</td><td>953</td><td>469</td><td></td><td>AM1</td><td>125</td><td>Steve Waters</td><td>20175</td><td>925</td><td>480
</td></tr><tr><td>MM1</td><td>2</td><td>Rick Rat Man Hunt</td><td>11084</td><td>940</td><td>465</td><td></td><td>MM1</td><td>11</td><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>473
</td></tr><tr><td>FW1</td><td>11</td><td>Crystal Tylzynski</td><td>13946</td><td>839</td><td>533</td><td></td><td>FW1</td><td>12</td><td>Monica Livingston</td><td>23515</td><td>814</td><td>537
</td></tr><tr><td>MPO</td><td>5</td><td>David Feldberg</td><td>12626</td><td>1016</td><td>409</td><td></td><td>MPO</td><td>3</td><td>Brian Schweberger</td><td>12989</td><td>1014</td><td>406
</td></tr><tr><td>FPO</td><td>14</td><td>Sue Stephens</td><td>10977</td><td>901</td><td>514</td><td></td><td>FPO</td><td>3</td><td>Lesli Herndon</td><td>13526</td><td>933</td><td>481
</td></tr><tr><td>MPM</td><td>2</td><td>Al Schack</td><td>3407</td><td>1003</td><td>423</td><td></td><td>MPM</td><td>6</td><td>Larry Leonard</td><td>3832</td><td>1014</td><td>432
</td></tr><tr><td>MJ1</td><td>16</td><td>Kyle Perry</td><td>22238</td><td>858</td><td>463</td><td></td><td>MJ1</td><td>3</td><td>Caleb Wood</td><td>20986</td><td>945</td><td>422
</td></tr><tr><td>.</td><td></td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>939</td><td>6455</td><td></td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>941</td><td>6444
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

I still maintain that no dominance was proven, so this contest will need to carry on!

But, if NC could have counted Cam Todd and Leslie Herndon (bad move not counting them, since MI got Dave Feldberg), the results come out differently:



As you can see, we didn't need Cam Todd... Schweb is tha man.

Actually I think Wisconsin took it:

Barry Schultz - 1st
Keith Warren - 5th
Aaron Wield - 8th
Chris Heeren - 15th


And that is just the top 15 in Open.


Ha-Ha! I swear I hear crickets in the backround.

Whats up Jefferson!! Man I just got a crap load of midranges, Im gonna start experimenting......now I just need to learn how to put.

Billy throw Rocs! You won't need to putt if you learn the Roc. Great playing with ya.
BTW - All the NC boys that I played with were pretty cool. Even MTL. :D

Thanks Dusty. You were pretty cool yourself.

I meant the Fall Finale. I will be playing Am Nats the weekend of the Sneaky Pete. OG did you make your travel plans yet???

Not yet, my boy is being slack. I will make final plans by the end of this week. I'll hit you up with a PM.

DUSTY- BIG SMOOTH- Good to here from ya man, It was great getting to meet you and gettin my butt whooped at DMACC!! SO hows everything in the Corn Husker State, GO Sooners! :p

You can prove anything with statisitics. In the olympics they only count the medals towards national standings. That is the first three places. It doesn't matter how many entrants there are in a field. There is some logic to this approach as some self-selection is involved so that in divisions where people have to hold down full time jobs and have families, etc. there will be less entrants because those less competitive for the win simply won't show. That by no means indicates that the winners would have not done the same had the field been larger. My belief is that the reality lies somewhere between these two extremes, but the correction factor would be impossible to determine with any accuracy. In other words, the way points were assigned in the above table takes one exteme position which almost certainly greatly differs from the reality of the situation, that reality being impossible to determine. Additionally, I think most would agree that the top 3 in a field of 200+ is significantly better than anything below that - ie. 1st place is much more significant than 4th place not simply1 to 2 percent better as in the above table.

Conclusion: You can prove anything with statistics - believe what you want. For me, NC was the most represented in the 1st three places of any state (I think) Be it the Olympics, the Tour De France, World Championships in almost all sports, those are the places that count the most.

I'll correct myself. MI had more top three places (8 to 7) largely due to the junior girls divisions under 16 which gave them 5 top 3 places. MI is clearly a superior disc golf state - for adolescent girls! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

One last thought - The tournament directors make a sort of correction factor for the variables I described in my prior posts - it is called the prize list. I think the PGA does it that way. For someone interested, they could add up the prize lists of MI vs NC to determine the TD's perspective on things....I don't care to do it! :)

There is a major controversy at the 2004 Worlds. The courses degree of difficulty were grossly miscalculated for my rounds only, giving me the tie for 2nd with Kenny. An investigation into this has ensued, and Climo has already conceeded part of his winnings to me.

Talk amongst yourselves...

plus, Climo didn't stick his landing.

The way that JJ demolished the field got me wondering about the largest margins of victory. Here are some more stats:

Only those divisions with an exceptionally large margin of victory are listed. M = Male, F = Female

<table border="1"><tr><td>Sorted by Margin of Victory
</td></tr><tr><td>Player</td><td>Won by</td><td>Division</td><td>Year</td><td>State
</td></tr><tr><td>Sylvia Voakes</td><td>114</td><td>F- Pro GM</td><td>1998</td><td>KY
</td></tr><tr><td>Dianna Greenwell</td><td>108</td><td>F- Adv GM</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Kristina Terry</td><td>101</td><td>Jr. Girls <12</td><td>2002</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>David Wiggen</td><td>99</td><td>Jr. Boys <10</td><td>2004</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Kelsey Brakel</td><td>56</td><td>Jr. Girls <16</td><td>2004</td><td>MI
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Palmeri</td><td>53</td><td>M- Pro SGM</td><td>1997</td><td>NY
</td></tr><tr><td>Evan Gurthie</td><td>49</td><td>Jr. Boys <12</td><td>1998</td><td>FL
</td></tr><tr><td>Kathy Hardyman</td><td>47</td><td>F- Adv M</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Nikki Ross</td><td>41</td><td>F- Adv</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Ted Williams</td><td>38</td><td>M- Pro L</td><td>2003</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Tom Monroe</td><td>33</td><td>M- Pro GM</td><td>1993</td><td>AL
</td></tr><tr><td>Don Smith</td><td>31</td><td>M- Adv GM</td><td>1998</td><td>ON
</td></tr><tr><td>Elaine King</td><td>25</td><td>F- Pro Open</td><td>1997</td><td>ON
</td></tr><tr><td>Stan McDaniel</td><td>23</td><td>M- Pro M</td><td>1997</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Beth Tanner</td><td>21</td><td>F- Pro M</td><td>1995</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>19</td><td>M- Adv</td><td>2004</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Ken Climo</td><td>18</td><td>M- Pro Open</td><td>1994</td><td>FL
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

<table border="1"><tr><td>Sorted by Division
</td></tr><tr><td>Player</td><td>Won by</td><td>Division</td><td>Year</td><td>State
</td></tr><tr><td>Elaine King</td><td>25</td><td>F- Pro Open</td><td>1997</td><td>ON
</td></tr><tr><td>Beth Tanner</td><td>21</td><td>F- Pro M</td><td>1995</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Sylvia Voakes</td><td>114</td><td>F- Pro GM</td><td>1998</td><td>KY
</td></tr><tr><td>Ken Climo</td><td>18</td><td>M- Pro Open</td><td>1994</td><td>FL
</td></tr><tr><td>Stan McDaniel</td><td>23</td><td>M- Pro M</td><td>1997</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Tom Monroe</td><td>33</td><td>M- Pro GM</td><td>1993</td><td>AL
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Palmeri</td><td>53</td><td>M- Pro SGM</td><td>1997</td><td>NY
</td></tr><tr><td>Ted Williams</td><td>38</td><td>M- Pro L</td><td>2003</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Nikki Ross</td><td>41</td><td>F- Adv</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Kathy Hardyman</td><td>47</td><td>F- Adv M</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Dianna Greenwell</td><td>108</td><td>F- Adv GM</td><td>2003</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>19</td><td>M- Adv</td><td>2004</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Don Smith</td><td>31</td><td>M- Adv GM</td><td>1998</td><td>ON
</td></tr><tr><td>David Wiggen</td><td>99</td><td>Jr. Boys <10</td><td>2004</td><td>NC
</td></tr><tr><td>Evan Gurthie</td><td>49</td><td>Jr. Boys <12</td><td>1998</td><td>FL
</td></tr><tr><td>Kristina Terry</td><td>101</td><td>Jr. Girls <12</td><td>2002</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Kelsey Brakel</td><td>56</td><td>Jr. Girls <16</td><td>2004</td><td>MI
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Just a reminder - we won

won what? the poll?