Coincidently Paul mentioned your taking of his tag at Patapsco last year just this past weekend. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Paul=worried ;)

not at all worried. i mentioned it because i have not played that badly at paultapsco since then. i will never play THAT badly during a tournament again. afterall, this is paultapsco and you two are the very least of my concerns :D

...and for the record... hawkgayman was the one complaining about the strokes between rounds and he seems to be the one not stepping up to the grown up tees! i sense a pattern here /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Not that there is anything wrong with that

Thanks Jerry :D.

I suspect Paul is projecting here. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Not that there is anything wrong with that



of course not! it's just too easy of a play on his name. am i offending you shark?

<font color="pink">you two are the very least of my concerns

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That looks like an admission to me that he's afraid of losing to Kelly...again. ;)

That looks like an admission to me that he's afraid of losing to Kelly...again. ;)



it wouldn't really bother me if she beat me. she's **** good and getting better! i'd like to think that i could count on beating her, but that's not the case. as for hawk and lindsay... that's a piece of cake :D you see? i'm realistic about this. that's why i'm so confident about beating you two :D

she's **** good and getting better!



This is the antithesis of your own game.

it wouldn't really bother me if she beat me. she's **** good and getting better! i'd like to think that i could count on beating her, but that's not the case. as for hawk and lindsay... that's a piece of cake :Dyou see? i'm realistic about this. that's why i'm so confident about beating you two
:D


Paul hasn't played well enough to earn himself a Pro Woman's Tour Card... how can he be so confident about beating you and Lindsay? :eek:

And yes, Paul, I AM getting better. Getting better, PLUS- I really loaded up on course karma on Saturday, and all the practice you can squeeze in between now and the Open will not be enough! ;)

Oh yeah, uh-huh, I can sense "car trouble" coming on... Paul, should we schedule someone to pick you up Sat. morning? :D

:D

at least i'm stepping up to play the same tees. what's up hawk? you miss lil billy and the rest of the juniors? can't get your fill of playing w/ little boys?

...point and laugh... :D

It would appear to be more an avoidance of the red tees on your part to me grasshopper. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

It would appear to be more an avoidance of the red tees on your part to me grasshopper. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:eek:

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiight... keep believing that. maybe, just maybe, if you believe that just enough, you might justify playing w/ the juniors again on saturday.

Well I already defeated one of the Juniors on Sunday, so I'll just keep my streak going. :D Obviously you are the one afraid.

:D Obviously you are the one afraid.



do you still believe in santa, hawk? explain to me how stepping up to play a higher rated division and PRO tees makes me obviously afraid :confused: i want my rounds to be counted against the highest rated players possible. the only thing that is OBVIOUS here, is that doesn't include you :D

that's some pretty fuzzy logic in my book, but if you've convinced yourself of it...

i DARE you to step up on saturday.

Ooooo the dares come out - now this is going to turn into something fun! :D

I triple dog dare you to... :o nevermind - that would probably be considered public indecency :p.

And for the record, Paul. Yes, I still believe in Santa :cool:

who you play against will have no effect on your ratings paul, other than the humiliation of being near the bottom of the advanced barrel. and the red tees at patapsco already are well rated in most configurations and as long as enough people play them sat i would guess you will get ratings.

regardless, the pro tees at paultapsco are more fun.

rich-- i guess i'll be joining you at the bottom of the advanced barrel or are you going the hawk route?

i think you are wrong about the ratings. i believe that the ratings of the people you play against, on the same tees, on the same day does have a lot to do with the end of the day round ratings. i'm not sure about this, but it's worth looking into. at the very least, i suspect the advanced division will be larger than intermediate, and that's worth bumping up alone.

i don't expect to cash, but i think i'll end up middle of the pack.

i'll report my practice scores (witnessed) tomorrow and the next day. :D

I'll be at patap, looking to take any AM $1 Nassau's, who's in :confused: ;) ;)

who you play against will have no effect on your ratings

That is simply not true. The reliability of the ratings is based in the propagators.

I think Bruce Brakel described it best when he said

I think I can explain why the am group gets lower ratings than the pros and it is related to the reliability of the propagators. Within the am field there are more propagators who are still in a steep place in their learning curve. In the am group you are more likely to find players who learned how to do the "x" step a month ago, or changed to a more powerful grip, or figured out the whole hip rotation thing, or finally realized that time spent practicing rather than just playing rounds might benefit their game. These guys and gals may be playing 20 or 30 points over their average, especially since that average may go all the way back to their very first tournament when they had only been playing for a month. So you wind up with maybe six to a dozen 880 rated men who are really shooting 920 kinds of rounds. But the ratings formula treats those rounds as 880s to be averaged in with the rounds shot by players who are in a flatter place in their learning curve. The effect is to drag down ratings for everyone in that pool.

the days scores do influence the ratings i'm sure, since the course is obviously harder to play in 40mph winds or rain than a nice calm sunny day. i think the ratings have alot to do with having enough rated people playing the same layout at once, thus if there are enough rated women and int players playing the shorts, you should get a rating. very rarely have i played a pdga round that wasn't rated.
but feel free to hop into the adv added cash pool! i plan on gettin me some of that!

thanks lindsay! i might be right for once :D

shark, i'll PM my cell phone # to you. i should be at paultapsco by 1:30. i'm not sure if that's early enough for you to get back to doubles. i think a few of the zoo crew might join me.

and hawk, what is up with that new avatar? you have a new boyfriend now that blute is out of the picture?

there you go paul, there is an effect of playing against people like lindsay who's ratings are lagging a bit against their skill. i didn't think about that part. thanks for the clarification, linds!

but feel free to hop into the adv added cash pool! i plan on gettin me some of that!



you ain't exactly been lighting paultapsco up lately rich :D. our scores haven't been off by more than a stroke or two. i don't think you are out of my reach.

thus if there are enough rated women and int players playing the shorts



Actually - the propagators need to be rated over 800 AND Advanced Women will be playing the same tees as the Advanced Men. Don't know how many Rec or Int women we're going to have at the tourney, but All Rec and Int players will be on the Red Tees all day long :D.

Hawk may not get ratings at all if there are not enough propagators playing just the red tees. :confused:

:cool:

I am not yet a propagator as my rating is below 800, so I don't bring you down. I just make you look bad when I beat you :D!

great! thanks for the clarification lindsay.

all that said, let's get back to the question...

who is afraid hawk? :D

so, what you are saying paul, is that you're as good as i am and are willing to take some nassau action with no handicap? might be a good idea after my round at bluemont 42 on the last 9 holes!

stop picking my posts to shreds lindsay! :D

you're right already. women are always right AND they NEVER FORGET! :o

You guy's talk more SCHMACK than Schmack Daddy himself!

so, what you are saying paul, is that you're as good as i am and are willing to take some nassau action with no handicap? might be a good idea after my round at bluemont 42 on the last 9 holes!



surely you won't make a lowly 839 player bold enough to step into the ranks of the advanced division take a nassau w/ no handicap, would you? :D

whatever. you said i was "a stroke or two better", so how bout i throw you three stokes/round?

I triple dog dare you to... nevermind - that would probably be considered public indecency .




Maybe on the Bored it would ;) but to me whatever you could come up with would just be another Tuesday night. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


<font color="pink">i don't expect to cash, but i think i'll end up middle of the pack.
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We need a tighter definition of middle of the pack. Does this mean if there are 18 advanced players Paul will be somewhere between 6th and 12th? For bold statement throw back purposes, I'm planning on going with your claim to place in the upper two thirds of the field okay?


very rarely have i played a pdga round that wasn't rated.




Rich I had one round not rated last year at the Mid-Atlantic Championship because there weren't enough 'gators in the field. Paul and I actually discussed this problem prior to the season starting on how we intended to make registration decisions. Paul's plan was to play Intermediate at B tiers, and Advanced at C's. I've been making my choices based on what happened the previous year participation wise. Last open Jim had all Am's play two red rounds, so it wasn't an issue, but as you and I discussed Sunday night, Tom has thrown a wrench in that with his splitting the Am's up. Therefore I notified Tom Sunday night that I was playing two up for the ratings.


and hawk, what is up with that new avatar?



It's sexy no? An old model shot. I'll be selling them in the parking lot at halftime. For $5 I'll recreate the pose, and for $10 ladies can oil up my chest. Paul's running a similar promotion, but with his he pays the oiler.


<font color="pink">you ain't exactly been lighting paultapsco up lately rich . our scores haven't been off by more than a stroke or two. i don't think you are out of my reach.
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<font color="pink">surely you won't make a lowly 839 player bold enough to step into the ranks of the advanced division take a nassau w/ no handicap, would you?

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Welcome to the twisted mind of Paul where he's not willing to back up his own smack 23 minutes later! :D

And finally...

<font color="pink">i DARE you to step up on saturday.
</font>



Well I already had unbeknownst to you. I was going to let you thrash around all week with this theme, but oh well. Speaking of stepping up Paul, I guess I'll see you at the Soiree at the end of the month. :cool:

Stop with the pale red on blue already do you need a bored fashion consultant to tell you that :confused:

You need to adjust your color choices Professor. Those quotes are pink ;). Not that there's anything wrong with that color. The pink is kind of weak on my tan background as well.

Did you guys see that there is a chat room now? Why not move your schmack there and save some bandwidth, eh?

Because the public lives for this junk.

also what if we miss some of the smack talk? the whole point is to diss the other guy in front of as big an audience as possible. chat rooms are only good for sex offenders to troll for underage girls...

I didn't realize that was a viable use. I am so on that!

Any luck Rich?

no. only a bunch of old guys pretending they are young and can throw 500+

i maybe scared of a few folks on here, but that list most certainly doesn't include you, hawk.




Well your frenzied practicing would seem to indicate otherwise. :D


i was beat after all that



Two rounds! One from the short red tees that Paul looks down upon, and he's exhausted! That sounds really promising for Saturday :D.


i shot a miserable 69



Yes I would agree since conditions were much better yesterday than what we endured on Sunday, and you still haven't matched my 68 shot during that wind. Also keep in mind that I accomplished that after playing in an out of state tourney on Saturday. :eek:

For Shark's sake I used boring black for the quotes.

Two rounds! One from the short red tees that Paul looks down upon, and he's exhausted! That sounds really promising for Saturday .



it was two rounds plus some UGLY safari knucklehead! even after 3 (THREE) rounds at druid on monday! if you want to talk about stamina, look at our results this year punk! think loriella where i dusted you by 7 (SEVEN) strokes in the second round.


Well your frenzied practicing would seem to indicate otherwise.



ever think this might be in anticipation of opponents that i haven't beat at every PDGA tournament i've played this year? that may be a long list, but i don't see your name on it :D

when i crush you on saturday, maybe you will finally learn your place little one :eek:

[QUOTE]
Yes I would agree since conditions were much better yesterday than what we endured on Sunday, and you still haven't matched my 68 shot during that wind. [QUOTE]


au contraire mon hawk. how would you know what the wind was like yesterday afternoon? and i have beaten your 68 and find it most unimpressive. keep dreamin', and no matter what happens on saturday, keep your chin up :Dthere will be better days. someday maybe :D

UGLY safari



I think when describing your game it's redundant to put the word ugly in front of it.


ever think this might be in anticipation of opponents that i haven't beat at every PDGA tournament i've played this year? that may be a long list, but i don't see your name on it




Well since your mutterings at Sherando were "I don't care where I finish as long as I beat Hawk" as ear witnessed by the Popovich's and others would seem to indicate that your above quote is either false, or a change in philosophy.


think loriella where i dusted you by 7 (SEVEN) strokes in the second round.




I was still recovering from surgery then. Feel free to cling to that round as it will doubtlessly be the highlight of your year. I believe we were even in the first round.

My smoking 938 round at Seneca and then subsequent 858 second round would indicate the same thing in terms or being fresh off of my operatinon. Still looking for a 938+ round from you.

i see you've dusted off that laminated excuse card hawk :D

any nice whoppers you can let us in on before saturday?

I'm only bringing up the facts surrounding that event since you are still reveling in it. As I indicated previously, your trend is way down. You might want to start working on an excuses card. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

To make this even more interesting, perhaps we should start collecting predictions on who beats who by how many strokes on Saturday. Shark can post how many he thinks you'll beat me by, Rich can post, you and I etc. I have a number already in mind, but I'm too shy to go first. :D

Anonymous 04/07/04 04:32 PM Reading a post in flat mode
Hawkgammon vs. md21954



Who are these people?

i think hawk will win the first round and falter in the second round allowing paul to tie. either that or hawk by 10 strokes,as paul's arm falls off,,

i think hawk will win the first round and falter in the second round allowing paul to tie. either that or hawk by 10 strokes,as paul's arm falls off,,



i'm taking it easy on friday per shark/no spin's advice. that said, i'll have plenty of energy and my arm will be intact all afternoon. my arm (as always) feels fine.

last night, dean p and i put together a tremendous -2 at pine grove doubles to take home the $$$! granted, dean did most of the work (he is the pro afterall), but i played very well. i only wish i had about 2 drives back (one of which almost took a softball coach's head off). ask ANYONE on our card (glen, brazil, tom e, dean) and they'll tell you how impressive my play was. taking home the $$$ boosted my confidence (as though i needed that) :p

given my momentum, preparation, and hawk's lack of skillz in general, my call is a two round total victory of 7 (count'em SEVEN) strokes over my counterpart. :cool:

Bored Review: 4-8-04


<font color="yellow">By paul on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:05 pm:


so i have a good chance of not being w/ another am?

less concerned about winning as i am about blowing it!
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Yes this statement reeks of confidence! :D Unfortunately you won't have Dean to lead you by the hand on Saturday.

I'll beat you by three strokes on Saturday. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Unfortunately you won't have Dean to lead you by the hand on Saturday.



ask any of the guys on my card if he truly "lead me by the hand". we took plenty of my drives, including a deuce and many others were fifty-fifty as to which drive was better. that's saying something for as tough as pine grove is playing right now. i've been clicking, and will continue to do so. :D

Bored Review: 4-8-04


<font color="yellow">By paul on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:05 pm:


so i have a good chance of not being w/ another am?

less concerned about winning as i am about blowing it!
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Yes this statement reeks of confidence! :D Unfortunately you won't have Dean to lead you by the hand on Saturday.

I'll beat you by three strokes on Saturday. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



pay attention old man. that statement was made before the confidence building play and subsequent victory :p

The only clicking going on with you is inside your head. :D

so the real question is who will lose to me by more strokes on sat! :D

Hey Pal we've tried to start threads of you vs. the universe, but face it there's no interest. :D

that statement was made before the confidence building play and subsequent victory




Please put the pizza down and realize that patheticness of your ongoing reveling in these doubles triumphs by "you". One of my favorite posts of yours on the Bored was your dissertation of how you were going to continue "your" Triples success of last season this year. I paraphrase, "I won five/six(?) times last year. Only two/three(?) with Myers!" :D I think Jim could win most of those events playing with Rich's dog! I was on the winning team at one of the two Triples I played last year. However unlike you I realize the idiocy of posting something like, "I dominate Triples winning 50% of my appearances."

Also it's amusing that your confidence is so down after you Sunday thrashing by me and the field at Patapsco, and subsequent outing there earlier this week, but it rebounds thanks to Pine Grove Doubles with Dean. That sounds real stable. Not shakey at all. Solid...like a rock. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif!

See ya'll are to worried bout who your gonna beat and will more than likely beat yourself!
I have changed my philosophy on this matter and belive that in order to play well i need to focus on my round and what i can do,not what your rounds are and what your doing.

Tomorrow i plan on playing well enough to compete and possibly place in the payout slots,upping my rating,and getting satisfaction out of knowing i played as well as i was capable of playing!

:D

hawk will not beat me at any sanctioned event EVER.



<font color="red">HAWK PUNKTAPSCOS PAUL BY FIVE :cool: </font>

<font color="green"> Crowd Revels In Outcome </font>

Much like Babe Ruth's called home run; today Paul's downward spiral continued with a five stroke loss to an "old man" playing at about 85% fitness. Final scores:

Hawk: 71-69

Paul: 76-69

I clearly overestimated Paul's ability to compete:


I'll beat you by three strokes on Saturday.




Paul on the other hand was only off by 12...


given my momentum, preparation, and hawk's lack of skillz in general, my call is a two round total victory of 7 (count'em SEVEN) strokes over my counterpart.




Suprising as this is Paul's self proclaimed "best course". What does this bode for the rest of the season?

Three mutually played PDGA tourneys, and the trend is:

Paul by 7 :o
Paul by 2 :o
Hawk by 5 :D

How bad could this get for Paul? :eek: That's a 12 stroke swing in a little over a month.


well, the afterburners will be glowing bright from the get-go saturday. no foolin' around this time



A first round 76? It was more like a blown engine and slow roll to the shoulder. :D


i'll end up middle of the pack.




For a man who said he could play the Patapsco Picnic (an A tier pro event) and not finish DFL, he couldn't avoid a tie for DFL coming in 19th in a 20 man Advance field in today's PRO/AM C tier.

Paul was unavailable for a post tourney interview having fled the course prior to the awards ceremony.

The next potential battle could be the Seneca Soiree but I believe Paul is too <font color="yellow">yellow </font> to show.

Paul,i need to talk to you it's kind of important!Can you give me a call 443-277-4708.

Suprising as this is Paul's self proclaimed "best course". What does this bode for the rest of the season?



no excuses, i had very, very bad day.

ok. it was a very humiliating defeat. at least you've finally made it a contest though. what does this bode for the rest of the season? don't forget, i'm 2 and 1 against you and it's a long season.

my company made me take one of those BS myers-briggs personality test things, the results are kinda funny. even though i rushed through it, i think they might have hit the nail on the head!

i'm extraverted sensing w/ thinking, which means, among other things, my potential pitfalls include "may get caught up in off-work activities, such as sports and other hobbies" and suggestions for development include "may need to keep work and play in the proper perspective". too funny... :D

You? Mr. Druid at 3:45? That thing is way off :D

i know... my colleague and i got a laugh out of that! :D

tumbleweeds are blowing by.

hawk played a pro event and didn't dfl. you on for patapsco paul? hawk is already registered.

we'll see about patapsco. i need to redeem myself after the pro/am i've got a busy summer coming up. reduced fee for ams if it doesn't fill?

btw... i'm feeling very confident about my game right now. i've dropped the yanks and my putting is back to the consistency i know i have. 59 at rockburn on saturday (before the pins were moved short) was my personal best there.

Good playing did you merch?

no. the tourney was sunday unfortunately. i shot a horrendous 67 the first round and a mediocre 54 the second round. fun was the priority and lots o fun was had. we were successfull at getting boyd to shoot budweiser out of his nose in the first round!

i shot a horrendous 67 the first round



That's my boy!

i shot a horrendous 67 the first round



That's my boy!



yep. right around your average score the last few times there is horrendous, right hawk? :D

Keep clinging to those meaningless practice rounds for victories my henpecked friend.

huh? scoreboard, wreckin' ball!

2 for 3 in PDGA events is ahead in most counts knucklehead :D

Curiously your two victories don't appear to be showing up in our ratings. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

According to you I was going to go winless all year. We'd be 2-2 if you'd had the courage of DJ to take me on at Seneca this past weekend. Oh but you didn't! :eek: :o

...and if your aunt had a nut she'd be your uncle! :D

sorry i didn't want to enter a pro event at a course i've never played before. i don't think that's a matter of courage, but a matter of brains. besides, i couldn't miss my pal matt's farewell tourney (i'm sure it was more fun). :D

Any tourney that features BB blowing bud through his nose is at the very least FUN!!!

<font color="yellow"> enter a pro event at a course i've never played before </font>



Well let's see I had logged I believe eight rounds at Seneca prior to this past weekend. Two rounds at the '03 Ice Bowl, two rounds at last years Mid-Atlantic, and two rounds at this years Leap. A round on Sunday with Ski and Rich, then a round Tuesday with Shark. I think you've played at least nine rounds at Patapsco. ;)

Well let's see I had logged I believe eight rounds at Seneca prior to this past weekend.



that's still eight rounds more than me! since when did i rule out patapsco?

<font color="pink">we'll see about patapsco </font>



That's not saying your in. Sounds like waffling to me.

Seneca Rating.


26 MPO Hawk Corrick 22013 846 71 75 74 65 285 285 862.45



862.45. Not great, but forward progress.

Ratings coming out any day now. Anyone care to predict how much wider the gap gets between Paul and I? I'm sensing an expansion of my lead. Paul has been curiously quite lately. :)

it's a long season. besides, there might be little or no gap if the sherando TD would get their act together and send in those results.

for those of you unaware, i am 2-1 in pdga tournaments versus hawk this year. unfortunately, i was unable to play the seneca soiree which might allow hawk to take an early lead.

Well actually the season will be more than half over by the time the next ratings come out, so this would be the halfway point. You seem to forget that I already have the lead from the first update. This would be two consecutive updates for me with not just a lead, but an apparently expanding one. Plus I have Seneca already in the bank for the third update this year. Seneca: Unable to play=scared to play. Clinging to that 2-1 edge? Are you coming to Patapsco in July? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

i want to come to patapsco in july, but unfortunately that will be a game time decision.

certain personal circumstances make that weekend a very tough one to write off for DG.

i know you know i'm the better player. i'm not sweating this a whole lot :D

Ratings don't lie! ;)

<font color="red">THE BLOODBATH CONTINUES!!! :eek: </font>

<font color="blue">Paul Not Only Continues To Lose In Ratings Battle :oBut The Gap Widens! </font>

<font color="green">Hawk-858 </font>
<font color="666666">Paul-846 </font>

What was last quarter a 7 point lead for me has now widened to a 12 point lead! :cool:If this was a boxing match the referee would have stopped it by now. Thanks to the 32% of you who saw the obvious and voted for me, and to my coach Dr. Evil. Good call as always Sherwood for backing Paul. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Remember Paul, there's always July! ;)

<font color="brown"> It's still not to late to vote and get on the winning team people! </font>

I am prepared to accept your accolades at this time. :D

you idiot! you've twisted the facts so much it's pathetic...

look at the ratings detail... the only tourney that seems to be updated is the only one you scraped by at. you also started w/ a surprise 7 point lead which i won't even need to use as an excuse. how convenient is it that the two tourneys i beat you at haven't been added to the ratings? i'm a numbers guy, you need to pay better attention.

wait till all the scores from the tourneys i've beat you at are in to start trying to talk smack /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif enjoy it while it lasts :D

how convenient is it that the two tourneys i beat you at haven't been added to the ratings?



What are these tourneys you speak of? :confused: They don't seem to exist anywhere but in your head. Are you sure you aren't breaking down mentally after your crushing defeat at "your best course" Patapsco? Ever since then you seem to have gone into hiding. ;)


i'm a numbers guy



Well let's assume that these "wins" you claim actually occured. You would have to believe that the one round you are clinging to like a life preserver would have to be dropped out of my rating as have other less than stellar efforts. That coupled with my recent and future improved play seems to leave you little actual chance. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'd really hoped that this would have turned into a stirring back and forth competition, but you are now 0-2 in ratings updates for 2004. How embarassing for you it would be if I were to go wire to wire! :o

What are these tourneys you speak of? :confused:



OMFG... sherando and loriella :o do we need to hear from witnesses? :confused: i know you are in denial, but c'mon!!! :D

There seems to be no official record of these occurences. Perhaps you can get Leonard Nimoy to do an In Search of episode for these "wins" of yours. He can squeeze you in between Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster.

hawk,
i know you are competitive



Paul,

If only you were able to be competitive, then this thread would be so much more interesting. :DHave you considered challenging Lindsay in one of her <font color="pink"> Loser Wears A Skirt Matches? </font> /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

There seems to be no official record of these occurences. Perhaps you can get Leonard Nimoy to do an In Search of episode for these "wins" of yours. He can squeeze you in between Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster.

is it coincidence that denial and senile rhyme?

is it coincidence that denial and senile rhyme?




I think you are being to hard on yourself. You still have a remote chance to make a match of this yet. Perhaps some more practice on your part would help Mr. Druid @ 3:45. :)

let's face it. the only reason i can imagine you might deny the existence of the two tournaments i beat you at is your nervousness.

:Dit's OK hawk, as you told me before, you fully expect me to win and it was a big challenge for you to take in the first place.

Well if these tournaments you speak of ever do surface Mr. Numbers I believe I will weather them very well.

Furthermore I seem to be doing quite well at this challenge so far, as I continue to dominate you in the ratings. Though it is only the fifth month, and you are falling further behind. Good luck to you the rest of the year. Perhaps you can make a go of this yet! :)

Bored Review: 5-22-04


By Mark S on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 07:54 am:


Saying paul's game was in a shambles is being nice. He finished many many many over par and lamented that he did not want to play like that on the Am tour and let hawk see his "play".






Oh to have been there and seen that. :D

too bad he didn't stick around for the -4 comeback!

<<<<--------teaminconsistent here

Well if these tournaments you speak of ever do surface Mr. Numbers I believe I will weather them very well

here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3944#Intermediate) and here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3959#Intermediate)

Congrats your tourneys have appeared, but your rating is still lower than mine. Better luck in a couple of months. If these don't bail you out do you intend to concede the contest come July?

he ll no!!! those are simply ammo that haven't been loaded into the ratings yet. those, plus a few others, WVO included are gonna hit you like a ton of bricks, old timer :D

Listen doughboy, I'm not concerned about your impending West Virginia disaster. You keep running the numbers, and I'll keep letting the PDGA document the widening gap between us.

i sense a madly distressed and agitated tone to you posts :D

Not at all, it's boredom with having to debate the same tired facts, or enduring the ongoing litany of empty boasts of future success by you. It's May...your losing...

paul, that would be 'your'
hawk, that would be 'you're'
your grammer and spelling is worse than mine! :D

grammar

Oh Mr. Hysell! :D

i see your codorus, and raise you a paw paw! :D

I'm not sure I understand. Are you intending to do both? :confused:

naw, busy sunday. but i can't let you get another tourney ahead of me. i'm not sure how playing a virgin (unrated) course will influence ratings versus one that has hosted an a-tier 10 yrs running. hmmmmm... i guess we'll wait and see.

Well good luck to you!

Have you given any further consideration to the Calvert Open Iron Man four rounder? :D

i'd rather not be added cash when it's THAT much added cash. my budget is too tight right now for that and it be a shame if this contest came down to that /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

besides, you want more of this (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3698#Intermediate) anyway?

I wish I was geeky enough to do that cool word link thing. :D

Stop living in the past of 11 months ago. Let's talk about something a little more recent like this:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3978#Advanced

or this (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3944#Intermediate) or that (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=3959#Intermediate) ? :D

Again my post is the most recent head to head, and you finished DFL. Really nothing else to argue, and you are again ducking a potential head to head match up. We can compare ratings from our separate events this weekend.

who's ducking? i'm going to the best courses on the east coast! you need to set your priorities.

i have family obligations on father's day.

I'm trying to support a new, and hopefully upcoming event.

I forgot about your illegitimate children! ;)

Patapsco Picnic...Paul's "Best" Course.

Round One:
Hawk-76
Paul-83 :o

Round Two:
Hawk-72
Paul-75 :eek:

Patapsco Picnic: Day Two

Round Three:
Hawk-61
Paul-65 ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Round Four:
Hawk-54
Paul-63 :o:D

Four rounds of total domination over Paul. Final margin of difference for the tournament...23 strokes!!!!

Naturally Paul failed to live up to his claim of being able to avoid being DFL. :)

Patapsco Picnic: Day Two

Round Three:
Hawk-61
Paul-65 ;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Round Four:
Hawk-54
Paul-63 :o:D

Four rounds of total domination over Paul. Final margin of difference for the tournament...23 strokes!!!!



Wow, what a spanking!

Jeff I'm just trying to live up to the early support you gave me in this competition. You were one of the few true believers, and now your trust is being rewarded! :DYou're no Sherwood who is trying to jump onto the bandwagon halfway to the finish. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it was a very humiliating weekend.

back to the drawing board...

I've got to give Hawk the edge. Judging from tournament results, it looks like Hawk plays in more tournaments and has beaten md21954 in the tournys that they both have played in.

It also appears that Hawk is a more consistent golfer. Md21954 seems to usually have a good first round but [*****] the bed in the afternoon round. Maybe that lack of fitness Hawk pointed out? :D



Here's my original post. Again, Hawk is more consistent and look who crapped the bed in the last round again!

it was just a bad weekend. no lack of fitness involved. my worst round was the first round (was a lil nervous playing w/ the big dogs).

physically, i felt fine, even after moving all the baskets after the first day, then doing it again the second day. if anything, i was mentally fatigued after not being able play well all weekend long. typically, my putting saves me a few strokes. not the case this time. i don't recall sinking anything greater than 12'. it fell like my putter had a negative magnetism w/ the chains.

as i told hawk sunday, this isn't a death blow, but close.

back to the drawing board.

2004 Druid Hill Open Thread:


perhaps we should calculate odds for hawkgammon vs. md21954 sidebets?




Okay folks, like a battered wife, Paul keeps coming back for more. I'm can't imagine anyone liking his chances, but in case anyone wants to step up and comment, we are preparing to yet again go head to head at one and possibly two upcoming events. I believe Paul will be playing the Calvert Open (whenever it is), but we are both definitely attending the Druid Hill Open on 8-1-04.

To review the battle to this point, we have had ten head to head sanctioned tourney rounds. In chronological order the results have been:

Round One- <font color="blue">tied </font>
Round Two- <font color="pink"> Paul by 7 </font>
Round Three- <font color="pink">Paul by 1 </font>
Round Four- <font color="pink">Paul by 1 </font>
Round Five- <font color="red">Hawk by 5 </font>
Round Six- <font color="blue">tied </font>
Round Seven- <font color="red">Hawk by 7 </font>
Round Eight- <font color="red"> Hawk by 3 </font>
Round Nine- <font color="red">Hawk by 4 </font>
Round Ten- <font color="red">Hawk by 9 </font>

A review of this shows Paul with one resounding round win. No excuses offered just stating the facts. He has two victories by the narrowest of margins, and two ties. I have five substantial round wins one matching his best victory of seven, and another exceeding it by two strokes, and the same two ties. Now we will be playing on his home course this time, but he went 0-5-1 at his self proclaimed best course, so you can determine the value of home field advantage yourself.

Bored Review: 7-13-04


By paul on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 12:08 pm:


druid, 3:45






He is apparently out there working it though!

total tournaments are 2-2.

there's a lot of golf left.

there's a lot of golf left.




Where did I last hear that? Oh yeah, by you after you shot that blistering 83 in the first round of the Picnic. That worked out well for you as you lost the next three rounds to me. The fact that you took 16 more shots than me to complete the rest of the tournament does prove that there was a lot more golf left...for you. :D

<font color="red">TEAM LICK-N-INJURE GOES 3-0 IN RATINGS UPDATES :cool: </font>

<font color="blue">Paul Fails To Close Gap After "Big" Virginia Wins </font>

Current Ratings:

<font color="red">Hawk-866 </font>
<font color="blue">Paul-854 </font>

You might want to start thinking about conceeding the bet Paul. That way all you have to do is pay-off, but you won't have to live with this thread another five months. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

what are you talking about? the lead is still only twelve, even after the "death blow" at patapsco. both our ratings increased the same amount (8 pts) and i still have one tourney not factored in that will likely boost my rating a little.

the difference so far is bluemont.

there is a lot of golf left, including a big chunk in 1.5 weeks!

You call it a deathblow, but I call it another day at the office. The fact is that you have done nothing in six months to make a move. You have fallen behind or treaded water at best. At this point you probably need to win Druid and the other tourney by 23 strokes to break even, and that's not going to happen. Then you need to pull ahead. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Good luck though.

nothing? still 2-2 head to head sucka :D

You won't catch Hawk, and I'm gaining on ya, only back 4 ratings points now.

Get my custom stamped Z-Cat Ready (although I'd take a Flash too).

Thanks in advance for being such a good sport.

It's not about head to head, it's about the ratings, and you're losing continually.


G.A. Hawk Corrick #22013
Player Rating Information
Current Rating: 866 (as of 15-Jul-2004)

Player Rating History
Effective As Of Rating Rounds Used
15-Jul-2004 866 23
15-May-2004 858 14
15-Feb-2004 846 11
15-Dec-2003 839 10





Paul Lichtinger #21954
Player Rating Information
Current Rating: 854 (as of 15-Jul-2004)

Player Rating History
Effective As Of Rating Rounds Used
15-Jul-2004 854 17
15-May-2004 846 12
15-Feb-2004 839 11
15-Dec-2003 839 11




What chances do you have to catch up?

Here's your best round ever:


Calvert Open 02-Aug-2003 1 53 897 Yes



Note it occurred almost a year ago on the easiest course around. Your next best round is 18 points under that.

Now I have beaten that round three times:


Patapsco Picnic 03-Jul to 04-Jul-2004 1 76 907 Yes
Patapsco Picnic 03-Jul to 04-Jul-2004 3 61 916 Yes
Patapsco Picnic 03-Jul to 04-Jul-2004 4 54 925 Yes




Note that happened this month, at a substantially more difficult course. It seems obvious who is the better player now.

Get my custom stamped Z-Cat Ready (although I'd take a Flash too).

Thanks in advance for being such a good sport.





Paul,

Please don't tell us you were foolish enough to bet on yourself twice. :eek: :o

Just out of curiosity... is this thread EXCLUSIVELY for posting Hawk vs. Paul related smack talk, or any old smack talk which involves pointing an index finger at Paul, slapping one's thigh, and laughing uncontrollably? For instance:

Current Ratings:

<font color="red"> Hawk-866 </font>
<font color="green"> Kelly- 855 </font>
<font color="blue"> Paul- 854 </font>

Oh, Lord, I just can't help myself... there is some finger pointing, thigh slapping, uncontrolled laughter coming from my office right now! :D

Seriously- Hawk, that was a nice jump your rating took. Great job! I think it's time you picked a new arch-rival... one that will offer you a little more challenge. Isn't this Hawk vs. Paul thing getting a lot like taking candy from a mere babe? ;)

awful big words for a mere 1 pt lead kelly /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

see you at WVO! are you women enough to come to the druhill open?

I'm sorry, Paul- did you say something? I couldn't hear you over the laughter and thigh slapping... :D

Current Ratings:

Hawk-866
Kelly- 855
Paul- 854




:o

Oh my. Now there's a gut punch.

Kelly thanks for being a fan! ;) I don't know if I'm prepared to switch adversaries here in midstream, and if I did would I really want to challenge a girl...again. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Please feel free to post all of your Paul love messages here. And you might want to take him up on his side bet challenge to Shark at Druid Hill. Please feel free to post there.

And Paul, perhaps you should consider dating one of the officers of the Calvert Flyers. It might improve your game.

Seriously, Paul (all laughter aside for a moment)-

Am I WOMAN enough for DruHill? I'm WOMAN enough to beat you, anytime, anywhere. I'm also MAN enough to do the same! Is it safe to assume you are MAN enough to side bet me $-$-$ for Calvert, DruHill, and the WVO? I mean, betting against me and my 1 point lead surely gives you something to fight for, now that Hawk is out of your sights... :o

Furthermore- I am registered AND sponsoring the Druid Hill Open. Can you say the same for the Calvert Open? I'll be at triples, if you'd like to sponsor the Calvert Open. (here's some blackmail- if you sponsor Calvert, I won't publically humiliate you when I beat you at all three of the above-mentioned events, OK?) So, do we have a deal?

it's funny... i'm not aware of this "calvert open" you speak of :confused: as for the druhill open and WVO, you're on!

take further druhill smack to the druhill open thread under PDGA tourneys please :D

Hawk, I wasn't suggesting that I be your new adversary, are you kidding? I am not to your caliber... yet. Now I wish I had saved and framed the dollars you've given me this year, just so I could look back, and remember "when"...

Although I'm really not happy about that last dollar. It's dirty, tainted money. What's a win if it's not on even terms? Oh-wait- I KNOW! You must get the same dissatisfaction from beating Paul as I am getting from your last dollar, am I right? :D

here's some blackmail- if you sponsor Calvert, I won't publically humiliate you when I beat you at all three of the above-mentioned events



No problem I've got that covered! Disc Golf Hero and Journalist.

Now I'm confused, hawk bet????? He is morally opposed to betting :confused:

Oh no, Shark. Hawk and I aren't betting anything. Paul is where the easy money is... :eek:

THIS (http://www.geocities.com/madisc4/calvert01.html) is the Calvert Open I speak of. To be held the day before DruHill. I'm surprised you don't know about it- it being the "other" half of the Maryland Series Disc Golf Weekend. Or have you decided your attempts at finishing well in the MD Series are fruitless? :confused: :D

Much like that alleged tournament the Maryland Series is another ghost ship. How can he be concerned about his standings when five months into it there are no standings? :confused:

Get my custom stamped Z-Cat Ready (although I'd take a Flash too).

Thanks in advance for being such a good sport.





Paul,

Please don't tell us you were foolish enough to bet on yourself twice. :eek: :o



Yes, Mighty Hawk. The foolish young Paul has a bet with me that his rating will be higher than mine by years end.

Mine just jumped 20 points (my largest increase ever) and with even reasonably consistent play to my level of late combined with dropping a couple of ugly rounds next time, should make for another spectacular jump in the next update. I'm now 4 ratings points behind him and closing fast.

What did Pauline's rating do this time? Oh, wait, nevermind. Not really worth writing about, is it?

You must get the same dissatisfaction from beating Paul as I am getting from your last dollar, am I right?




Kelly, when something becomes routine, it fails to create any excitement. This weekend I'm going to play with...the Teebirds (you know how well that went last time ;)) to give the lad a chance.

awful big words for a mere 1 pt lead kelly




The key word there Paul would be lead. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

keep gangin' up and layin' the smack down, victory for me will be all the more sweet! :D

hey rev,
don't they have dogs in texas? why'd you have to go all the way to chicago? (http://www.dailyherald.com/search/main_story.asp?intID=3818451)

I'm envisioning a most depressing Christmas holiday for you this season. :D

<font color="pink"> we're 2-2 on tourneys for the year hawk, and that's gonna improve in my favor after the MD DG weekend.
</font>

Another bold prediction from the crazed mind of Pauline. :D

<font color="pink">i still fully intend to make up some ground against you hawk!

</font>

Giving up on winning huh? Just looking to close the gap. That's good! Try to start out with smaller potentially achievable goals. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

never giving up, and it's far from over ;) just gotta make up some ground before taking the lead.

Keep trying! Your struggles entertain the masses.

A ten stroke victory by me over Paul at the final Druid Hill warm up before next weekends double tourney showdown. Using never thrown TeeBirds, and brand new Spiders fresh out of the box I win round one from the long tees by ten strokes. :o In round two I fall behind by five strokes through 11 holes and then come back to tie it after losing my putter. :eek:

Hmmm.....................

how you lost a putter is beyond me!

We're on hole 10. The basket as you know is down the steps in the slightly overgrown area. I bring out the Beast for the first drive of the day as I make my charge and land on the hill even with the basket. With Debo spotting I take my second shot which causes Debo to yell, "Get in the hole!" No metal sound is heard. He and I figure it's near the basket or left of it. Never seen again. We gave it a gallant effort looking, but it never was found. I've now lost two discs on that hole. :(

ouch.

so i supose you will be back with a weedwhacker tonite?

Putters are like...well let's just say there's another one in the bag already. ;)

tony said he'd weed wack back there prior to sunday. he'll be on the lookout for it.

Tony's a beautiful person. :D

Paul and I had a little pre TNT seven hole shoot-out that I won by three stokes. :oThe pressure seems to be getting to our young hero who apparently has decided to skip the unknown tourney and make one last dramatic stand at Druid on Sunday.

that's completely unofficial ;)

...and as TNT TD i was distracted-- that's my excuse and i'm stickin' to it!

<font color="red">THE BLOODBATH CONTINUES AS HAWKGAMMON CRUSHES MD21954 AT CALVERT OPEN BY 17 STROKES!!! :o </font>

When last we met Paul had lost to me by 23 strokes over four rounds. Today he lost by 17 in two rounds! :eek:

Round One: :cool:
Hawk-48
Paul-57

Round Two: :)
Hawk-55
Paul-63

Final Standings: :D
Hawk-103
Paul-120

Paul once again finished DFL in our division, and is 40 strokes behind me for our last two events.

Finally Paul kept clinging to the 2-2 head to head tourney record as his face saving last straw, but that now stands 3-2 in my favor. Though it's really all about the ratings. ;)

3-2-1 you slithered by this time.

<font color="blue">PAUL CLAWS BACK ON HIS HOME COURSE TO TIE HAWK </font>

<font color="purple">Brutal Conditions Create Good Times :confused: </font>

After making a brief stop to preach a sermon at Concord Baptist Church this morning in nearby Liberty Heights, I arrived at Druid Hill to be greeted with trumpets and small children tossing rose petals at me. (You should only know how close I came to arranging a police escort /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

As we teed off from the long tees at Paul's home course, where he sees action 3-4 times a week as Mr. Druid @ 3:45 & runs and plays the triples event there every Thursday night, I knew I would get probably his best shot of the year. A steady downpour fell upon us for the first nine holes. Paul commented later that this didn't effect him whereas it gave me some trouble. Therefore one can only imagine what might have happened under ideal conditions. ;)

After round one I had a suprising one stroke lead! :eek:
Hawk-63 :)
Paul-64 :mad:

I had really anticipated being behind at this point, but superior play wins out again. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

In round two facing his worse nightmare of losing to me on his beloved home course, Paul manages to scrape out a one stroke win from the shorter tees where we once again got rained upon for about four holes before play was suspended temporarily due to lightning in the area.

Paul-59 :)
Hawk-60 :(

Therefore we end up tied for the day at 123 each.

Probably no ratings benefit for either of us in this event, and I know Paul likes to keep track of this, so his record in head to head now stands at 2-3-1. That's like a bad half month for a NHL team. :)

Having weathered (both literally and figuratively) what I thought would be Paul's best event of the year, I'm confident that the good ship Hawk is cruising into port for a victory celebration sometime around the third week of December. What a merry Christmas that will be! :D

In an interesting side note, I believe I have also broken the code of Druid @ 3:45. 3.45 strokes per hole calculates out to 62.1 strokes over 18 holes, so I believe that is what Paul hopes to shoot each time he heads out there.

Possible next battle is in Delaware in two weeks, or at the end of the month at the Rockburn Challenge. Stay tuned sports fans.

Morgan County Hoedown
Official Results
19-Jun-2004
Tier: C
Total Players: 49
Pro Purse: $770

Advanced
Place Points Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 Total Prize
1 50 Ian Iverson 17564 954 71 73 144
2 45 Shawn Aschliman 17754 907 72 72 144
3 40 Bart Leeuwenburg 15250 886 65 81 146
4 35 Jesse Yingling 21740 931 75 72 147
4 35 John Thompson 12587 884 75 72 147
6 25 Nathan Stobbs 11204 75 75 150
7 20 Wayne Nordberg 13517 911 74 77 151
8 15 Chris Beach 23465 853 79 77 156
8 15 Bobby Noble 19589 909 75 81 156
<font color="blue"> 10 5 Paul Lichtinger 21954 854 85 78 163 </font>




Hey another DFL for Paul! :D :D :)

either of you can come by rockburn on sat and create a little course karma by doing a quick hour shift on the brushhog. might help...

No can do. Have you forgotten the Picnic Work Day Tag debacle? The strike begins now.

no strike for me. i just can't devote every entire weekend to dg anymore. i'll be sure to compliment your progress come sunday though ;)

obviously i can't either since i haven't played since the druhill open. just want to get a last cut down for the summer, hopefully it will last a while. i'm sure it will be nice for you slackers! make sure to send in a donation for the mower fund instead... :)

Paul's a slacker, I'm a protester. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Paul's a slacker, I'm a protester. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

no. i'm a lover, not a hater /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Bad news for you Paul. My CT scan and blood work were clean yesterday, so I'll be able to complete the season and the bet! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif That was probably your last best chance. :D

i might be low, but i ain't that low! :) that's good news. now you won't have any excuses :D

I'm confused as to why I would need excuses at this point. :D

coming to TNT?

Naw I'm working today.

me? nervous? what'd ya shoot last time at the rock hawk? and what was your obligatory excuse, again?




Well my last time at Rockburn I shot a 65 and you shot a 70. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Rockburn predictions anyone? ;)

<font color="red">HAWKGAMMON AGAIN CRUSHES MD21954...THIS TIME BY NINE STROKES :cool:</font>

<font color="blue">Paul Also Defeated By A Woman! :o </font>

<font color="green">non-dfl finish indicates paul may have found his division ;) </font>

Arriving at the tourney today I informed Paul that this was not a competition today, but a coronation. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

While I was managing to secure my first PDGA victory, Paul continued to implode and make our bet a walk over for me.

Out-thinking Paul as always, I secretly invited 2004 Worlds Advanced Womens Champion Kelly Swartz to join us in the recreational field at today's Rockburn Challenge. A move that clearly left Paul unnerved.

Flashing his usual bravado, Paul foolishly arranged for Kelly and myself to join him in his first round group.


no martinis for me tonight either. that alone should shave five strokes off last sundays performance.




Paul matched the hungover 70 he shot at last Sunday's Tour stop. Meanwhile I improved on the 65 I shot then to card a 63.

Round two found me once again watching Paul lumber before me in the group ahead of mine. With several of the baskets moved to shorter placements, Paul shoots a 60 to my 58.

Another win for The Wreck King.

Paul continues to run out of victories to cling to:

Excluding our tie at the Druid Hill Open, Paul has lost our last four head to head battles by a total of 49 strokes! :eek:

My record in head to head tourneys now stands at 4-2-1.

I have a PDGA win.

Paul's career highlight is winning back to back Ice Bowl intermediate divisions. The second victory coming in an Ice Bowl attended by eight players. Not eight intermediates, but eight players total. :o :D

Next weekend Paul takes his game on the road to the West Virginia Open where I am smelling yet another DFL finish for everyone's favorite smack talker.

Good luck with that Paul! :)

Next possible battle is the Mid-Atlantic Amateur Championship next month. Will Paul show, or will he finally throw in the towel?

It definitely appears that my ratings lead will grow substantially in the next ratings update meaning I will be 4-0 in those this year, and closing in on winning the bet wire to wire. Can Paul comeback in the three months remaining? :D Stay tuned sports fans!

Long live the King!! :D

Thank You Fan! (http://www.ccs.k12.in.us/ces/teachers/specials/baney/midas/King%20Midas.jpg)

Hee hee... funny, in a slightly disturbing way. Is there anything on under that robe? :o

Hey Paul- as per our conversation yesterday- you were right:

<font color="red"> gen�u�flect</font> ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jny-flkt)
intr.v. gen�u�flect�ed, gen�u�flect�ing, gen�u�flects
1. To bend the knee or touch one knee to the floor or ground, as in worship.
2. To be servilely respectful or deferential; grovel.

So yes, when you said you were "genuflecting" me, you were correct- according to the second definition, that is... :eek:

Are you sure you don't want me to give you a few strokes for Paw Paw? ;)

Kelly,

I'm not sure Paul reads this thread anymore. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif He hasn't had much to contribute to it the past five months or so. He may never even post here again. ;)

i think you have to check your records as to who was doing the genuflecting kelly.

as for hawk, i need to really step it up at wap wap to have any chance. no further comment until then.

Paul,

We await your comments after your stellar rated rounds of:
1: 816 :eek:
2: 784 :o
3: 829 /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I believe that 784 is the lowest round of the bet. Well done! ;)

Paul,

It's opportunity knocking!

Redemption (http://home.comcast.net/~rhmiracle/2004-MAAC-Flyer.pdf) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

<font color="blue"> TEAM LICK-N-INJURE CONTINUES TO DOMINATE BET! </font>

Some people talk smack:


<font color="green"> hawk will pose no threat </font>




<font color="green"> hawk finishing higher than me. rubbish!
</font>




<font color="green"> i will have a greater rating than you come '05!
</font>




<font color="green">i don't foresee you beating me once during '04! </font>




<font color="green"> i'm taking you down like a fat ***** in dodge ball </font>




<font color="green"> i'm shooting for 900 by year-end. the way hawk is playing, he should be shooting for his rating not to go down!
</font>




<font color="green"> you have no chance!
</font>




<font color="green">i'm playing above my rating, you are not

</font>




<font color="green"> hawk has no skills or chance. </font>




<font color="green"> i'm almost starting to feel bad about leaving you in the dust so bad hawk. </font>





<font color="green"> i will never play THAT badly during a tournament again. </font>



http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4214#Advanced

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4214#Advanced


<font color="green"> who is afraid hawk?
</font>




<font color="green">hawk's lack of skillz </font>




<font color="green">those, plus a few others, WVO included are gonna hit you like a ton of bricks, old timer
</font>



http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4027#Advanced


<font color="green"> keep gangin' up and layin' the smack down, victory for me will be all the more sweet!
</font>



<font color="purple">Paul's Current Rating-861 </font>

And some people simply lay the smack down:

<font color="red">Hawk's Current Rating-879 </font>

Action speaks louder than words, and the silence is deafening! :D

If you would be so kind, Hawk, to allow me a moment of drift on YOUR thread (it certainly ain't Paulie's anymore):

Catch Paul in ratings - Check

Pass Paul in ratings - Check

Clear space on disc wall for newly won custom stamped Z-Cat - Check

Thanks, as you were.

Better be careful,

Since the Dec 2003 ratings,
Paul is +22
Mark is +28
Hawk is +40
but...
Girlie is +44

She's gaining on all of you.

You are all gaining on me cause I'm going backwards.

i think you need a more worthy target hawk. i'm tempted to call you out with a thread for next year. i'll have to 'prime the fued' by giving you a serious butt whuppin at seneca this weekend. so 'practice up'!

Girlie is +44




YES! :D

BUT... still not a propagator :mad:

6 points to go
6 points to go
By the end of this year.... I WILL be a propagator!!!

Hey Paulina... How you like them apples? :D

We want you propagating to get more disc golfers....

(ratings)

We'll have to see how close the ratings end up being Rich. You'll probably still be 20-30 points ahead of me at the end of the year which isn't exactly an equal starting line. This was perfect this year due to our matching 839's, and Paul being Paul. :D

keep setting your sights low. of course the way my rating is going i may go down and meet you in the middle!

I believe you went up three points this time coach. In an unrelated matter, my avatar is sexier than yours.

Girlie is +44




YES! :D

BUT... still not a propagator :mad:

6 points to go
6 points to go
By the end of this year.... I WILL be a propagator!!!

Hey Paulina... How you like them apples? :D

more propogators are a good thing.

<font color="red">HAWK AGAIN PUMMELS PAUL </font>

<font color="blue">Holds An 11 Stroke Lead After Day One Of The Mid-Atlantic Amateur Championship </font>

<font color="green">surrender seems near as md21954 unlikely to return for day two of the tourney. </font>

Looks like I'm hours away from going up 4-2-1 in the head to head match-ups. :D

Who's your daddy Smack King? :D

only if you like girls blowing fire out the rear!

well done. congrats. good luck tomorrow.

in my defense, 5.5 strokes per round for my second time there ain't that bad.

Thank you fan! ;)

You have no defense. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What was it like out there today? Who is at the top, and please relate how the local talent did. :D

<font color="blue"> Shockingly Another DFL For Paul! :eek:</font>

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4507&year=2004&includeRatings=1#Advanced

When will the bleeding end? Paul shoots below his current (apparently inflated) rating, and I manage four rounds above mine. Hmmm.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it may be listed as DFL but we all knew i wasn't planning on coming back for day two. twist it however you want.

Well your best case defense would be head of the mullett card going into round three. I checked Sunday morning. That meant you were 20th out of 23. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

not dfl!

Forward progress! :D Is it too little too late? :D

<font color="red">TEAM LICK-N-INJURE WINS AGAIN :) </font>

<font color="blue">Paul Loses Final Head To Head Battle of The Season By 7 Strokes </font>

Today we took our games down to Bluemont for a little disc golf action.

After round one I held a small one stroke lead over Paul 46-47. :eek: Oh oh! :oCould he do it? Nawwwwww...

Faced with the daunting pressure of playing with the Disc Golf Hero on the lead card he folded faster than a slinky going down a steep flight of stairs. On our first hole of the second round I parked #7 from the white tee to the long pin for the early CTP that held up against the entire field where everyone, including Open Champ Glen had two shots at it. Clearly intimidated Paul soiled himself and was finished. Final scores in the second round were Hawk-66 & Paul-72. Paul fell from third place to out of the plastic. :(

Season head to head record stands at 5-2-1. Paul is 0-5-1 since March.

We await the concession speech. :D

If all goes well, we hope to post on schedule sometime between Sunday night, Dec 19 and Tuesday night, Dec 21.




Am I the only one who sees Paul swimming at night, and hears the theme to Jaws? ;)

it appears you are correct hawk. it's over. or at least all over except for the admission by paul. unless he can quickly find an event, post a few 1050 rounds and get the results submitted by monday. :D

Rich,

While once again defeating Paul while merely practicing :oon Saturday while he was going all out :eek:, he mentioned to me that the bet didn't require a concession, and that I was going to be a cheap pay-off as all he was going to have to pony up is about 20 wings. I think that's as close as we're going to get other than perhaps a response to the victory post. ;)

well, in absence of a concession speech, i think you should declare victory much like bush and gore both did in 2000. :D

<font color="red">Final 2004 Ratings: Hawk- 892 :DPaul- 857 :o </font>

holy crap! i got punked at moccasin lake and ate a bunch of 850ish rounds! my rating went DOWN and i lost to Dj by a stroke. ah, the humanity!!!

Final 2004 Ratings: Hawk- 892 Paul- 857



Is it final because all of your 2004 events have now been rated? The mid-Feb update is the actual official 2004 yearend ratings.

Sorry Rich,and i thought i was gonna be rated higher!Looks like i'm being heckled and pushed to move up a little pre-maturely! :o

Oh well.............................i break-out in 05 i guess!!! :D

me too. i will definitely beat you next year!

Oh suddenly everyone's going intermediate? :D

Playboy Interview: HAWKGAMMON

A candid conversation with Your Disc Golf Hero about the crushing defeat of the player formerly known as md21954, the Maryland Amateur Tour, and other disc related issues.

With the release yesterday of the December ratings update, the inevitable happened as the total humiliation and exposing of md21954 as all talk and no walk was complete. Not only did the margin of defeat grow as it has all season, but md21954's rating actually went down (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/player_ratings_history.php?PDGANum=21954&amp;year=2004 ) from the last ratings update while Hawk's continued to surge (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/player_ratings_history.php?PDGANum=22013&amp;year=2004 ) forward. We met Mr. Gammon at Druid Hill park at 3:45 in the morning. The time and locale might seem odd, but it was fittingly appropriate for this interview. Hawk was wearing a beaded white jumpsuit with a red crushed velvet smoking jacket over it for warmth. He was drinking bottled water out of a brown paper bag, and munching on a PowerBar.

Playboy: It's early and chilly. Why here?
HawkGammon: Well this is his home course. He plays here about four times a week at 3:45. It seemed fitting, but I didn't want to be distracted by his poor play while answering your questions.
P: Were you suprised at how easily you won this?
H: No.
P: You won 6-2-1. He didn't beat you since the third week of March.
H: I honestly think I could have gone undefeated if not for my cancer surgery the last week of January.
P: Yes he beat you by seven strokes six weeks after your operation.
H: Well I was out of shape...
P: ...as he is always.
H: True, but that's a new feeling for me. We were tied after the first round, but I just ran out of gas in the second and fell apart.
P: Now he'll read this and call that an excuse.
H: Of course he will but let's put a 5 inch incision in his lower abs and see how well he plays six weeks after.
P: His second and last win over you occurred two weeks later.
H: He won each round by one stroke.
P: What did you think then?
H: I knew I had him. I was just starting to get back into my normal routine at the gym, and doing some driver work. Up to that point I'd spent the winter putting.
P: Was the gym work the difference?
H: Obviously my superior physical conditioning was part of the win. I am 11 years older,so he had youth on his side, but I'm also tougher mentally, and have a better grasp of the game as I demonstrated repeatedly.
P: What is Team Lick-N-Injure?
H: Well that is everyone who has been a part of working with me to this point. First would be my coach and touring partner Dr. Evil. He was one of the few early on who predicted my win. Many of the gym guys like Hugo, Mark, Keith, Jimmy, and the cycling babes Janet and Nava were instrumental in pushing me.
P: Pushing you how?
H: The Monday after Sherando they asked how I did, and after telling them of the two point loss the motto became that I wouldn't lose again. A sign hangs over my locker that reads:


What Have You Done Today To Beat Paul?



It became a rallying cry throughout the jungle at the gym.
P: The Jungle?
H: The weightroom. Anytime someone would slack someone else would say, "Paul would quit too."
P: 64% of the voters went with Paul to win.
H: Those people are morons. Very few believed in me from the beginning. Jeff L., exczar and Dr. Evil were the only ones bold enough to put the money out early on the winning side. Sherwood went with Paul for months and rode that clunker over a cliff, though he did try to switch sides when the inevitable became obvious to all.
P: You won at the Patapsco Open Paul's self proclaimed best course i.e. Paultapsco.
H: :D You mean Punktapsco! It was a cakewalk.
P: Two months later you both return to Patapsco for the Pro event and you crush him by 23.
H: It was hysterical watching him in the group in front of me moping along with his cigarette sweating through his clothes. We called it the death group.
P: One would think with all his practice you'd be at a disadvantage.
H: He plays on average 5-9 rounds a week. I get two in max. It's about quality over quantity. While I'm practicing he's trying desperately to beat me, and did some on the Tour, but never saw the bigger picture.
P: A proportionally even more impressive win at Calvert going up 17 strokes in two rounds.
H: I really wanted that one. I wanted to stick it to the Paint Branch crowd and it looked semi-promising after the first round, but it didn't last. Also I was looking to drive a stake into his heart because the next day was Druid, and I knew that would be his best shot. Calvert requires some degree of control, and the Yankanator is only semi-viable at wide open courses.
P: You ended up tied with you winning the first round by one, and him winning the second round by one.
H: I'm actually most proud of that effort. It poured during portions of each round, and I managed to keep it together well enough to tie. After that I knew he wouldn't win again this year.
P: You've said that at Rockburn he was done three holes into the tourney.
H: Absolutely. I went up two strokes after three, and the cigarette came out. It's his white flag.
P: Mid-Atlantic and Bluemont?
H: More of the same. Never a threat into the second round.
P: Are you suprised at the lack of a concession speech even at this late time considering all of the boastful talking earlier this year?
H: Not at all. What can he say. It was a beating you wouldn't want to endure ever, or even watch someone else take.
P: What advice would you give Paul about his game?
H: To quit playing. I always worry about some small kids at this park watching him play, and thinking, "That looks really hard. Look at him struggle. I don't want to try that!" He needs to think about the children.
P: What advice did you get this year that helped?
H: Well I needed to take my horrific putting up to at least the mediocre level, and I think I did that. I stole my technique from Jim Myers. Craig taught me to disc down for control. J.G. reminded me to be mentally tough, as did Pat Pitts. Dr. Evil was always there, and he constantly nagged me to develop an approach game. As we toured we often played together one round, and he would just laugh as I botched 100' approach after 100' approach.
P: That's effective coaching?
H: Absolutely. At that point it was all about shutting him up!
P: What about next year?
H: Well I'll be out on the Maryland Amateur Tour keeping up the legacy of Good Times Blute and I started in 2003.
P: Whatever happened to Blute?
H: He's dead.
P: Our research indicated that he was living in Oklahoma.
H: Same thing.
P: What will your focus be next year? Another ratings bet?
H: No I've been there and done that. When you win a year long bet there really is no reason to do it again with someone else. I want to try and rack up some wins...find a division and play.
P: No rematch?
H: Well I'm not eligible to play recreational anymore like 857 is.
P: 857?
H: He will forever be known as 857 from this day forward.
P: I'd always heard this park was a haven for hookers and drug deals.
H: You sound disappointed. Well it is 0407 in the morning. Come back Saturday night around 2100. Bring a putter and a midrange, and we'll play some Ho.

Chuck,

The deal was that this update was the finish line. I guess I misspoke about the final part. Signature has been corrected. :D

i lost. no excuses.

when do we get to go to hooters?

bets on for '05. most improved rating though.

Whenever you save up your pennies!

I can't bet with you again. It's too humiliating...for you. Good luck on catching up. Perhaps we'll talk then. I'm off to do damage in the Advanced Masters pool as the majority of the DG public craves this action.

anytime hawkgayman! as a teetotaler you are a cheap date.

perhaps after a pine grove or goucher tour stop. looks to be swampy this weekend so maybe that'd be motivation to finally do a druid/goucher tour stop then head to the towson hooters.

after this weekend, ice bowls begin to roll. afterall, i have to defend my patapsco championship for the third consecutive year.

You're really going to make me come to Patapsco and take that from you aren't you? I envision Rich also playing Intermediate this time. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

who said i was going to play intermediate?

i signed up as advanced last yr. it wasn't my fault there were only seven of us.

well, it is paultapsco. maybe young paul actually thinks he can beat us there, even after the beating team grunt administered to him and his tag partner. :D

how many patapsco ice bowls have you won?

i think the more pertinent questions would be how many have i attended (0?) or how many times have i beaten MD2157097622376 head to head(i forgot my calculator!) or how many times has paul beaten dr evil head to head(has he?)? ;)

how many patapsco ice bowls have you won?



I think the more pressing question is how many PDGA events have you won 857? I have two, and I believe my partner has about five. Hmmmm...

we have a few ice bowl showdowns to look forward to.

Ice Bowls compare to PDGA events? Also you're planning on playing Masters? :confused:

finally.

after two looooooooooooooooong years.

my rating is where it rightfully should be. ABOVE HAWK'S!

...and it's only going up! :D

there's little consolation in this though. any system that ranks me below sherwood, surely must be broken.

btw... when are we going to hooters? i still owe you lunch.