Ok...let's open this up for debate for fun...taking all 18/21 tees/holes into account.

1. Mozola -- Trees, Water, Roads, and El-uh-vay-shun. (And that's only hole #3...)
2. Wilmont -- Length, Trees, Water, Water Moccasins.
3. Powell -- Trees, Water.
4. MacGregor Longs -- Trees, Matt Hall :)

1. Jim Mozola Memorial (grudgingly because it only has 9 baskets.)

2. Bear Branch (Woodlands) most of the same features as Mozola but on 18 holes...just a little farther to get to.

3. Classic 3 (aka Circle 6 :D)pay-to-play, but a great course anyway.

4. Jack Brooks, Powell and Wilmont as long as they are dry, if not, then any other course in Houston!

1. Mozola, for the challenge, and view.
2. Willy- DA WOLLY-MONSTER!
3. Powell-challenging, yet possible to have a good round, if you are on.
4. Macgregor-good mix of holes
5. Woodlands-every type shot, is required on varying holes.
6 Classic 3-Can you say Water Hazard?
7. MOFFITT-for the socialness

The following ratings make the assumption that the course is dry, the grass is cut, and the weather is PERFECT.......

1. Mozola - The view of the skyline, the uptown feel.......... Probably the only course we have that isn't on land the City couldn't give away. This is not the toughest course in town (close), but will reward a player who has a number of shots to pull from.

2. Wilmont - Houston's toughest course, will reward shot placement and sound decision making. And if you've got control, it will also reward the ability to boom off the tee.

3. Redisigned Powell - Before the redesign I would have put this course below Macgregor Longs, but by combining old holes 6 and 7, placing 18's basket across the water, adding the blind shot hole 17, and making the two wooded holes permanent, this course is now one I love to play, not just one I feel I have to play if the willie is to wet.

4. Macgregor Longs - Fun course that rewards accuracy, length, and a sound putting game.

Sorry, that was my post. :confused:

While I'm at it, I guess that should have been redesigned, not redisigned.

Man......... Four First Place votes for Mozola, I wouldn't have guessed that it would turn out that way.....

OK I am going to grudgingly enter the fray on this subject. Folks are always asking what courses are must play courses in Houston, so this is from that perspective. I am going with an assumption that the course is dry, the grass is cut, and the weather is nice.......

Tom Bass Complex (36 holes) � The Powell and Wilmont offer two world-class courses in the same complex that provide the normal player (someone who throws around 300), the chance to play true golf. Deceivingly difficult, there are many places on these two courses where a non-big arm can play placement golf to score better. The normal player better have a pretty complete game to score under 60 on these courses blind.

Don�t be fooled into thinking these courses cannot separate the best from the best either. Pros must have power and finesse to score well here. While you are playing the Wilmont, remember that at the 2002 Pro World Championships, Ken Climo shot a smoking 46 during the semifinal round on this course to put away the 2002 World Championship.

While I love the other courses in the area, you may want to consider skipping them and playing Bass again imo. If seeing new courses is your thing, here are my additional recommendations of other courses that are worthy of the time needed to find them. These are in no particular order�

Hitchcock (18 holes) - (south toward Galveston about 40 mins from Bass) offers a very interesting selection of short/technical/trick shots. It is a very fun place to play and you can almost always find someone to play with.

Moffitt Short (18 holes) � A traditional pitch and putt. You can smoke this course blind if you are playing decent. There is always someone to play with out at Moffitt. Be sure to play behind the ruts in the tee boxes unless you are wearing cleats. Moffitt long is slightly harder but a little less fun IMO.

MacGregor Long (21 holes) � Unlike Moffitt, I prefer the longs at this course. It can be difficult to find them all if you don�t snag a local, as they are marked by painted cinder blocks in the ground. Like Jim said, �Fun course that rewards accuracy, length, and a sound putting game.� The shorts are also fun if you want less of a challenge.

Woodlands Long (18 holes) � Very nice course in a pretty little park... The course offers a wide variety of short technical holes with some elevation changes and a lake. Definitely worth a play if you have the time.

Unlike the rest of you, I am NOT a fan of the Mazola course. While it does offer a nice view of downtown, this course is very much a disc eater, always dirty, and generally hard to follow (tee markers missing). The payoff for the view is lost on me by the fact that it is only 9 holes and a disc eater. The nine holes that are there are nice, but mainly because most every hole in town is flat. I personally do not consider this a must hit course, but as you can see above, I may stand alone in that opinion. There is no WAY it should be listed first imo.

Mozola isnt my favorite, but it is one of the more difficult ones...especially since it doent see as much play as some of the others. Moffitt is my favorite, yet isnt the most difficult, by far.

Hitchcock totally slipped my mind, and it in the top 3-4 for sure....great mix of holes!!!

I once shared your viewpoint Gimp on Mozola, but after playing in two leagues out there this summer, I grew to love the place. The course looked better than I had ever seen it, it was mowed, bum free, and offered a unique challenge. The only discs I lost were either in warm-ups or when I went for it on hole 6.

If I had to have one course and one course only, I would of course choose Wilmont......... Simply because I think it best prepares you for Championship caliber golf. My number one vote for Mozola incorporated a "fun" factor.

OH, and the tee-markers had been replaced too.

That is good to hear about it being cleaner etc :D

Perhaps it is easier not to lose your discs when you are a Discraft sponsored pro :eek:

**Jim you have mail**

Hitchcock slipped by me too....Count the ABC holes and it requires more variance in shots than MacGregor Longs. Definitely qualifies on this list, either as 18 or 21.

Can't comment on the Woodlands or Classic 3 (tried to play it last Saturday :().

I agree with Jim. This last summer Mozola looked better than it ever has from week to week. The bamboo on # 3's box was gone, the tee posts were put back in (I think # 5 was hit by a mower in late summer). HPRD also seemed to keep the thick stuff trimmed more regularly on # 3 and # 6, though more frequent trimming on # 6's window would be nice.

I lost several discs during the leagues (maybe 6), and each one was a bad/very risky shot (aim or technique). I'll cede it being an unforgiving course, but I wouldn't call it a disc eater. You toss one awry, and odds are it isn't coming back.

And the Mozola league ace pot is at <font color="green"> $500 </font> ... available again April 7. :D

April 7th huh?

That's going on the calendar.

I still haven't played Mazola yet. Anyone want to get in a round out there this weekend and show me around it? Maybe take a tour of town and play 4 or 5 rounds at different places if there's time?

I might be down if the weather is nice - give me a shout later slowmo...

I give you a call Gimp. You playing at Moffitt Sat morning?

Nope.

1. Gotta be Wilmont - sneaky difficult; gotta get your birdies and prevent your 4's and 5's to stop the blowup. Well designed holes, with proper test distances, etc. By far the best in Houston; sorry but Mozola doesn't compare.
2. Lakeside - ya its not permanent, but there are sleeves, and it has to be the second in town by a long shot.
3. All the rest: take your pick. Powell, Moffitt longs, Hitchcock, Woodlands and Mozola are all second tier. Everything else is third tier.

I only got to play lakeside once... I really like the powell better though. If you take the different configurations into account I would have to go:

Old Wilmont 21 (with the lake shots)
Wilmont 18
New Powell 18
Lakeside 18 (VERY nice course with a mix of shots)
Tourney 18 (the configuration where Climo shot a perfect round)

Like I said, you don't even have to leave Bass :)

r u crazy?? macgregor, moffitt and mason parks. these are the best in houston..

lakeside?!? where is this?

On the other side of the Ball Golf Course...

It was a temp course for Worlds and home of the spiders.

and there are still sleeves in for it? Sounds like we need to set it up occasionally

Sleeves were dropped and capped (to keep them from filling up with water, dirt, etc.)

Would be great to use it again, all we have to do to get Harris County's approval...... I'll bet they'll cooperate fine, just like when we ask them to mow the other two courses. :mad:

Sleeves were dropped and capped (to keep them from filling up with water, dirt, etc.)

Would be great to use it again, all we have to do to get Harris County's approval...... I'll bet they'll cooperate fine, just like when we ask them to mow the other two courses. :mad:



LMAo....no doubt about that.....its in a high use area of the park, and it was a PITA to get them to allow it for worlds, let alone a lesser event....

ahh. does that mean there are sleeves on the tourney course that are there and capped? could we pull the powell baskets occasionally and set up the tourney?

Pull the Willy, not the Powell, then we will have 2 playable course, despite the waterlevel....

:p

:D

Yep, they're out there.

Probably not. The 2 holes that go around the pond next to Tourney central are in a heavy traffic area, due to the playground and the pavilion being close by. I could see playing the holes across the road (#1-8 and the Dragon).

If it wasn't for those 2 holes (plus #9, the lefty hyzer between the road and the little parking lot by Powell #14), I would think we would have a chance to keep the course in full-time.

Again, all subject to the whims of Harris County...

I know 1-3 are right there around the pond but I didn't really think they were in an area all that heavily trafficed. #1 doesn't seem to be unless it's people using the pavilion. #2 really isn't...heck, it hardle takes any land at all. #3 comming back across the pond tees off from by the swings but doesn't really bring the playground into play. The large oak trees guard stuff on the other side of the walking path.

Oh a different note...Tony, did you get my phone number in the email I sent you? Or does the reply function on private messages not work with this thing?

Got the number. To save yourself a copy of your message you have to click the little box above the Submit button.

Heavily trafficed = more traffic than the rest of the park.

What I said is what I've been told. And I could see instances where it's true -- I've had to watch playing Powell #9 with a large group at that pavilion, pond and playground. It also might be a control issue with the Park since the two courses cover the majority of the section. :confused:

Tourney!

Snow Farm :cool:
I know it's a little on the outskirts of town, but I can get there quicker and easier than I can get to Hitchcock.

The best course in Houston???????

McDade Park in Conroe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Houston=Harris County!!

Monkey county will have a second SOON�

1. theWILMONT.........even when playing well this course can take it's toll on your score. Perfect combination of long and short, open and wooded, risk and reward. Great place to hone your long and short skills. Not to mention, it's like a mini vacation every time I get out there.... kind of like being at a State Park.

2. macgregorLONG21......great course to practice tight shots.

3. thePOWELL.....after the redesign this course became almost as enthralling to me as theWILLIE. Score well here and YOU SOMBODY!

4. jackBROOKS.....great course with the feel of theWILLIE and almost as punishing to wayward shots.

5. theWOODLANDSlong.......on the days when all the little punks are not stealing your discs as soon as they hit the ground!

Go back to work Rob. :)

You got it, Blender :-0

1.)Jack Brooks Park
2.)Lakeside
3.)Wilmonster
4.)Powell
5.)Clute-nah, just kidding...probably the Woodlands or Moffitt. I guess the Victoria course is too far away to count, huh?

Clute - now that is funny.

FOR SURE!!!!

Betting Conroe will rate up there, yet again, not exactly houston....

When Playing in Houston, is it ok to bring "Refreshments"
onto any of the courses. I will be there next weekend and was interested on which ones you can do that? <font color="red"> </font> ;) Or do you enter at your on risk?

In all Houston city parks alcohol is prohibited. Just be discreet about it and pack your trash out the the park when you leave. Thanks..

Be careful at Bass. The county guys have been known to go hunting....

Last night at Moffitt League, a group of us (about 20 players) were hanging out near the desk at #1 tee box, and the lifeguard from the swimming pool comes over and tells everyone out there that she had received complaints from the folks at the swimming pool about the disc golfers running around drinking beer out there. She politely, but firmly reminded everyone that alcohol is prohibited in the park and that if anyone is seen drinking out there next week, then authorities will be called.

To answer Mr. Anons question, alcohol in the City Parks is prohibited. If you feel the need to consume on a course, then for everyone's sake, please be discreet and don't carry it around in an obvious container where it is visible...otherwise, someone is liable to get militant about it and you will end up with a pretty hefty fine to pay.

Alcohol is allowed sometimes in the Harris County parks if a permit is obtained in advance. Large groups such as we have at Texas States require that we pay additional funds for mandatory police security.

You can openly drink beer at Jack Brooks, its in Galveston county. You might have to share with the locals though... :D

Alcohol is not allowed in parks where there are signs posted indicating that alcohol is not allowed. This is the case with most but all Houston parks. There are no signs prohibitting alcohol at the Mozola course.

These signs are routinely ignored by disc golfers and other park users. The last I heard the fine for getting caught is $175.

Oops. That second sentence should read "most but NOT all Houston parks."

if only the city of houston could zone all these non houston areas your votes would count

Heard that there was a private course going in up in North Houston.

Please advise. Who? Where? When? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If he told you, wouldn't that then make it "public?" :)

hey, this message goes out to anyone in houston who plays on a regular basis...
i'm a student and i've lived in houston for the past year, but haven't been able to find a group of people to play with yet. if there are certain days when more people go to one course or another, i'd love to know so i don't keep driving half way across town to play a course by myself. by the way, my name is ben and i play advanced, in case anyone was wondering. any replies will be appreciated.

Way to go De. Your a STAR!!!!!!!!! Just got my DGWN and saw the great pic and article about Advanced Womens World Champion De Atra Edwards and Matt Hall. Good job H-Town.

Cool I didn't know I was the womens adv. World Champ. :D
Good jod Dee maybe she should've played like a champ at states.:confused:
Hope I have a pic in there.

And a great picture of >16 Junior World Champion MATT HALL!!!!

There is a little article quoting you about school and Rice and something about you being a freak of nature. j/k :D
WAY TO GO MATT HALL IS A STAR.

Great, as if he's already not full of himself..... :)

Not full of myself just tired of you tony. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That does not look like Matt to me - is it?

GSW.....hit a given course on its league day, for the biggest crowd.....Moffit almost ALWAYS has people on it.....

I dont get to play casually these days, so not real sure where the peeps are.....

Saturdays are Moffit currently, I know.....

I will be in Houston, for work, the first week in April, and really hope I get a chance to play some of your courses. I will be in the Galleria area, and on the south east side of town as well. Any suggestions on which to play? I was planning on trying to hit the Wilmont.

Given your locations, the Wilmont and the Powell (both in Tom Bass Park) and MacGregor are the closest worth playing.

Other options: Moffitt (not challenging, but the most popular in town) on the Far West side
Mozola (tough little 9-holer Downtown)

If you feel like travelling further:
Jack Brooks (in Hitchcock, down 45 South)
Conroe (up 45 North)
Spring Valley (new PtP ball/disc golf venue in Spring)

If you're interested in hooking up with some local players, then sign onto the HFDS message board and post something up there - visitors almost always find a friendly DGer who will meet up with them and show them around a course or three! :D HFDS Msg board link (http://www.hfds.org/cgi/discus/discus.cgi)

One of the club officers is working on building a complete set of aerial photo-based course maps that you can check out by clicking here. (http://www.hfds.org/html/area_courses.html)

Mozola is a nine BASKET course with wicked bad Alternate tees on every hole for a great 18.

the course in spring valley is still free for disc golf, the cart is 8 somtn per person.
a must play course

Karl, to get an idea where courses are located around Houston go here:

Disc Golf Houston Course Directory (http://www.dghou.com/maps/houston_area_map/houston_area_map.html) <font color="blue"> </font>

Mozola is a nine BASKET course with wicked bad Alternate tees on every hole for a great 18.



I'll second that statement.

Baskets/Holes....I still hit the trees anyway. :)

I just wanted to send out a special thanks to Larry Kruse for coming down to play the Bluebonnet Open In Ingelside .Thanks for all your help .If I can ever do anything to help out in Houston do not hesitate to call me .

not sure if I should mention this, but hole three on Sunday I threw my roc... .and landed about shoulder high in the first tree. lol that hole is tricky even with the vagrants moved out. but I cleared the water on 6

What is going on InHtown Nobody has posted on this thread in like 20 days . :confused:

Thanks a bunch for your kind words Billy! I really enjoyed myself at the BlueBonnet Open! Good course, great people!

What's happening in H-town?

Pecan Park Open is going on this weekend up US-59 in Nacodoches.

Spring Valley sounds like they are still letting DGers in for free (until they get the 18-hole course completed.)

And weeknight leagues are going to be starting back up next week! The Moffitt league is so big it's like running a tournament every week!!!

Thanks for the advice guys. My trip got delayed, but I will be in Houston next week. Hopefully everything will go well business wise, and I'll be able to check out some TX Disc!

BUMP!!! sorry there is never any action on here. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :confused: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

what are the best courses in houston??

I will be in the woodlands from july 12-15 (tentative dates). i guess the woodlands and conroe are the closest courses! can anyone tell me a bit about the courses and are there any other must play courses? :D

hi efrain,

northside courses:

spring valley
conroe
woodlands

In that order. Spring Valley is the newest and has the most variety (and concrete teepads). Conroe is a great course and will have concrete teepads by the time you get there. Woodlands is a short technical course - I've been bypassing it since the new conroe & spring valley went in.

bring erron with ya!

allright , thanx for the reply!! I will most certainly play the listed courses!! :D

Nick,

I have not played the conroe course yet. What is it like?

F - U - N

have your shot selections ready. worth the drive. Not a long course to play but plenty of shade and tricky lines to wrap your head around!

Sounds delicous!!!! Where do I sign up for a hearty serving of that? I think my bag is ready just the way it is :D

McDade Park could be called the jewel of the region. Playing in beautiful park that I�m told was once a residential area, this course plays over perhaps the nicest setting in the entire Houston area; there are many different species of trees, some that bud in the summer. Most of the holes are par threes but there are a few tweeners that feel like par fours. There�s not much elevation change, but the course does border a water hazard that can come into play. The course makes up for its lack of length with some tight wooded shots, and the balance between lefty/righty and open and woods at this course are just about perfect. The HUGE disc golf bulletin board at the entrance to the course is just about the nicest I've ever seen, and the tee signs and the little signs pointing the way to the next tee are also really well done at this course.

This baffles me! How come I have not played this park yet?

Is this the new one?

And they are in the midst of adding concrete tees....

I'm ready!! :D:Di love tearing up new courses!!! especially short tricky ones!! :D:DAny organized play at these courses (midweek)???

Gents, there is a new "Best Course in Houston" IMHO, and Spring Valley is it! I would put it in the top 5 courses in Texas, and as it matures, probably ahead of Wilmont.

Yeah but there still are some stupid holes and some where good shots get punished and bad ones get rewarded. :confused: :confused:

!! :D:DAny organized play at these courses (midweek)???

??

I think they play tuesdays or wednesdays at spring valley.

do you guys have a link to a mini schedule??

Not a mini but they all go out and play. I know that they were planing on having a mini at spring valley on tuesdays. :confused: :confused:

is there no mini at the woodlands??

Only mini i know of is Sat. mornings at McDade Park in Conroe.

its freakin houston! We just have leagues around here.

BYOM

bummer!! we have minis every day of the week with multiples on some days!!

I KNOW I KNOW!!!!! If you want to find some competition down here, you just have to plan ahead!

Yeah but there still are some stupid holes and some where good shots get punished and bad ones get rewarded. :confused: :confused:



When I'm in town next week and try it out, I'll give my expert opinion. (expertise in number and variety of disc golf courses played, not ability :D)

I have a feeling that the young Houstonian is a little green and hasn't seen real woods courses. (I think there's a reason it's called the 'Finesse' course)

Going to Am Worlds this year? You had better practice your finesse game if you expect to do well at the Hotel and NAU (and to some extent, Thorpe Park) courses.

I love tight courses but this course play with too much luck for example there is a 250ft hol with a 15ft gap the whole way through which is fine but then there is a line of trees 40ft in front of the basket causing even good shots to be kicked away and ok one to go through. Jeff you should've seen some holes on thursday before my dad helped clear out some holes. There were 250ft holes with NO chace for a birdie because there were bushed right in front of the tee and about 150' away making the "faiway" impossible to penetrate.

By the way I like courses where the fairway is defined and maybe a clear 15ft gap to the basket so if you follow the line you will be fine but if you miss you will be puninshed not a hole without a defined faiway and just a spray and pray 250' or less that you are happy with a three or even a four because a brdie is nearly impossinble.

When Mike(the owner) asked me what a good pro would shoot on the 18 hole format I told him either a 51 or a 62 depending on how lucky they were during the round because you can throw two nearly I dentical shots and one can be kicked into the shule and the other can be parked causing luck to be a major factor on about 7 or 8 holes. Also jeff I think you will like the hole that you have to PUTT to a landing zone 50ft away and then you throw down the faiway. whe we stepped up to the hole everyone said "this is not a golf hole" followed by "why don't they just put the tee box at the landng zone" because it would be a good 320' tunnel dogleg but instead it is a 350' double dogleg with no chance for a reasonable three and I just don't think that you should be happy with a for on a 350' hole or getting a great three on a 240' hole when they should be birdiable. :( :(

I agree matt , defined fairways are great and require a skilled shot but the lucky or non-lucky ones are ridiculous!!

I just feel that when you have two good shots 2 inches different than each other they should both end up the same. Also I like good shots to be rewarded and bad ones to be punished and not the other way around. My drives were the most accurate on the card(really) but that didn't affect the scores. It is nice to see separation between better players and lesser skilled players and not 1 or two strokes. :(

word!!!

LOL, okay, okay. :DI'll make a judgement when I actually see it. I thought you were just used to wide open Tom Bass holes.

Having to make a 50-foot putt from the teepad sounds bad!

I love TOM BASS but my favorites are Circle R, Circle C, and the BEAST which aren't open. :D:D

what did you shoot at circle c matt?

+3 and I had some bad luck with not knowing the holes. :D

thats a very respectable score!!

I lost my Oaks on #16 and didn't have enough H2O because I though it was only 18 holes. :confused:

excuses excuses!!!!

NO excuses on my playing i was just dead afterwards. :D:D

come on!! the energizer boy was TIRED!!! :D:D

Saturday, June 11 the Ladies of Live Oak will be joining the Texas Outdoor Womens Network at Twin Parks Country Club for a wonderful day of disc golf and relaxation. www.twinparkscountryclub.com (http://www.twinparkscountryclub.com)

We will tee off at 9:00 so please plan to be there before then. I am trying to avoid the heat so we need to start as early as we can. There are two courses at Twin Parks and would like everyone to sample both of them. We will all play 9 holes on the Shire and 9 holes on the Hill course.

9:00 tee off
11:00 Lunch
12:00 tee off
2:00 MARGARITAS!!!

Twin Parks Country Club has a pool for our use that day. Please bring swimming clothes if you are interested. Please visit the www.twinparkscountryclub.com (http://www.twinparkscountryclub.com) for more info concerning the country club. This place is super cool, brand new and very nicely decorated. There are snacks and drinks available for purchase at the country club.

The lunch will be as followed:

Citrus marinated breast of chicken, char grilled to perfection, then topped with grilled pineapple relish. Accompanied by herbed cous cous and marinated asparagus. Served with you choice of drinks and bread rolls.

The cost per person for the greens fees and lunch will be $15.00.

We will have discs for your use and plenty of prizes so dont miss out.

Bring plenty of drinks, and good attitudes.

See ya there!!

come on!! the energizer boy was TIRED!!! :D:D



Sure that's why I played a round at Bart and then two at Pease. :D

in the same day? **** , *** that!!

Spring Valley is best course in Houston! Period.

Matt. u mentioned that there s mini at spring valley? where can I get the information on it? I live only 6 mins from there!

HFDS website.

you guys need more minis!!! :confused:

bring some with you! Austin definitely has some to spare....

I am definately down for some money rounds!!! :D

E, we have 5 leagues running in the summer, we in H-town are more organized than "mini's"

Mini's are fun, not knocking them, by any stretch.....

can you post a link to the schedule etc. I would like to get in on some if feasible!!! :D

Monday - Mozola (downtown)
Tuesday - Missouri City (south)
Wednesday - MacGregor (downtown)
Thursday - TC Jester (NW Loop), Moffitt (West Beltway)

Flex starts between 5 and 6.

Non-league players are welcome to come out and join in. Mozola and MacGregor do run a $3 Stimpy...err Sidebet for Aces. If no Ace, then it's given away via a CTP.

Conroe runs a mini on Saturdays, not sure on what time.
Jack Brooks (Hitchcock, toward Galveston) has a somewhat organized gathering on Sunday, if I recall.

HOW HARD IS IT GETTING TO THESE FROM THE WOODLANDS IN RUSH HOUR TRAFFIC? :Dand how much is the entry? also who lives in the woodlands area that i might know?

I wouldn't even try to guess how long it would take. Although, it should be easier coming back into Houston than going the opposite direction. The Woodlands is roughly 30-45 minutes from Mozola and MacGregor, with normal traffic (at North Freeway NASCAR speeds).

Our leagues are six week setups. $15 for HFDS members, $20 for non-members, Ace and Mulligan $1 each per week. Placing/Payout is based on your best 4 scores over that time period. Acepots cap at $500, Mulligans become raffle tickets at the end of the league.

At Mozola and MacGregor we do have some folks who couldn't/won't commit to a six week format, so the $3 Ace/CTP sidepot was established for all players, league or not. If some in the sidepot hits an ace, they get the pot. No ace, then a winner-take-all CTP as defined by the previous week's winner.

I suppose thats the downfall to leagues!! They do not appear very visitor friendly!! :confused:

No worries Efrain - league players always welcome visitors and even if you aren't in the league, you can still play with folks that are.

You can also look at it as a $21 chance to take the league's ace pot too! :D

Thats kind of steep for 1 round with no possible pay out!! :confused:

I'll play ya for a fiver. :D

or a six pack!

done deal!! six pack of good beer!! :D

E, tell Nick what kind of beer he will be buying ya.....

:D

Probably Bagger Light. :D

E, tell Nick what kind of beer he will be buying ya.....

:D



fat tire is good!!!lol :D

shiner!

so i guess we are on for the beer bet?? :D

of course!

The trick is to beat me before i drink it! :D

you playing conroe this weekend?

probably not . i may go to Austin. haha

going to austin with a tourney in your neighborhood ????? :confused:

We do seem to have lots of folks who are not interested in tourney play. Their loss.

yeah! life is just not worth living if you don't play in tournaments

yeah! life is just not worth living if you don't play in tournaments



I'm not saying that at all!! It's just hard to beat the competitiveness and comradarie of tournaments!! :D

Whatever!

LOL

We know that you strive to be your own unique individual, tournament player or not!

Ha! Ha!

:p

allright , I'm all confirmed and ready to go!! I will be there monday evening thru fri. evening!! I will be staying in the woodlands and looking forward to playing a couple of new courses and conroe again!!

There's a new Northside league starting next Tuesday, July 12th at Spring Valley. Please come join us!

I will!!! sounds like fun!! who is a good contact person?

anyone playing this afternoon in the woodlands or conroe or any other course north of houston? if so call me at 512-656-8613!! :D

Where are you at man? You taking off today obviously. Slacker. :mad:I'm jealous. :D

woodlands for the week!! :Dtraining at rockwell automation!! :D

Shweet! What are you learning? That is one company that I have not done work for suprisingly. I thought I had worked with every automation company in Houston. :D

PLC5 !! :D

anyone playing this afternoon in the woodlands or conroe or any other course north of houston? if so call me at 512-656-8613!! :D

:D

Ahh yes. Never heard of PLC5 but I have been working with Programable Logic Controllers since I was 16. Oh but I left that behind to flip burgers. :o:D:D

512-656-8613

hello?
yes, is your refrigerater running..

smart [I'm a potty-mouth!]!!! :eek:

Does this mean today at Missouri City?
Is this something anybody can just walk up to?


Monday - Mozola (downtown)
Tuesday - Missouri City (south)
Wednesday - MacGregor (downtown)
Thursday - TC Jester (NW Loop), Moffitt (West Beltway)

Flex starts between 5 and 6.

Non-league players are welcome to come out and join in. Mozola and MacGregor do run a $3 Stimpy...err Sidebet for Aces. If no Ace, then it's given away via a CTP.

Conroe runs a mini on Saturdays, not sure on what time.
Jack Brooks (Hitchcock, toward Galveston) has a somewhat organized gathering on Sunday, if I recall.

Missouri City's league is on a 2-week hiatus. It will resume August 2nd. The LD, Neal Dambra, is currently at Pro Worlds in Allentown.

very solid at loso this weekend Tony!!! That was a real quality win!!! congrats!!

Happy Birthday TB!!!

Sssshh....No birthdays here.... :)


<font size=1>Thanks Nelle!</font>

<marquee>happy b-day bender!!</marquee> :D

Happy day feller

With last week's addition of the Terramont Park course in The Woodlands, we now have about 23-24 courses in the Houston metropolitan area.

Here is what I've come up with sorted by number of baskets...I never realized that there are over 300 baskets in the ground in the Houston area! And I still keep hearing folks say "Disc golf? I've never heard of it."

<table border="1"><tr><td> Count</td><td>Course name</td><td># of holes
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>Spring Valley (pay to play)</td><td>27
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>MacGregor</td><td>20
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>Moffitt</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>Jack Brooks</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>Tom Bass Wilmont</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>Tom Bass Powell</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>The Woodlands - Bear Branch</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>Conroe - McDade Park</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>Crosspoint Church</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>Nottingham</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>Mozola</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>TC Jester</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>Mason Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>Shadow Ranch</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>Seabrook Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>Dodson Lake</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>Burke-Crenshaw Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>Clute Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>Cedarbrook Elementary</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>The Woodlands - Terramont Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>Community Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>22</td><td>Clinton Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>23</td><td>Shawshank - Huntsville ** valid? **</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>24</td><td>Glenshire Park</td><td>8
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Total Baskets in the ground</td><td>310
</td></tr><tr><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Sugarland is considering one�</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Jack Brooks may add another 9</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Kingwood is considering one�</td><td>18-?
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Huntsville has 21 and they have another nine-holer in town(or used to) Macgregor still has 21 because the "A" hole will probably be replaced. :D

:) Larry, it's Shadow Creek Ranch...

And Sienna Plantation in MO City has at least 9 rumored for Camp Sienna Park.

Know your game. Play your game.
Holder of Jack Brooks #1 tag, 11-13-05 to present.

New version Holer of Jack Brooks #1 tag, 11-13-05 through DEC 3 or whenever he sees MATT :D

Never doubting that Matt. Just barking a little bit at those who should still have it (Neal or Robbie B.)...

Yeah about that why were you beating up on a college kid and a Senior Citizen? :D

The funny thing Sunday night was Robbie muttering to himself. "I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm..."

The funny thing Sunday night was Robbie muttering to himself. "I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm..."



THAT is some funny shizat!!!!

GO BENDER!!!!

The funny thing Sunday night was Robbie muttering to himself. "I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm not a bad disc golfer. I'm..."



But was he right in saying that? :D

Even funnier because it was true!!! :)

Anybody checked out Mozola after the rains from last week?

Buffalo Bayou got hammered.

The bayou is high
but the fairways are dry
a dragon or hydra disc
flys on six with less risk

word.....
Longfellow

Mo city is bone dry

With last week's addition of the Oak Meadows Place course outside of the 290-1960 area, we now have about 25 courses in the Houston metropolitan area! Would've been 26 but Dodson Lake course was pulled. The Oak Meadows Place course is going to turn out to be one Houston's premiere courses.

Here is what I've come up with sorted by number of baskets...I never realized that there are over 328 baskets in the ground in the Houston area! And I still keep hearing folks say "Disc golf? I've never heard of it."

<table border="1"><tr><td> Count</td><td>Course name</td><td># of holes
</td></tr><tr><td>1</td><td>Spring Valley (pay to play)</td><td>27
</td></tr><tr><td>2</td><td>MacGregor</td><td>20
</td></tr><tr><td>3</td><td>Moffitt</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>4</td><td>Jack Brooks</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>5</td><td>Tom Bass Wilmont</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>6</td><td>Tom Bass Powell</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>7</td><td>The Woodlands - Bear Branch</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>8</td><td>Conroe - McDade Park</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>9</td><td>Crosspoint Church</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>10</td><td>Oak Meadows Place</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>11</td><td>Kingwood - River Grove Park</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>12</td><td>Nottingham</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>13</td><td>Mozola</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>14</td><td>TC Jester</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>15</td><td>Mason Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>16</td><td>Shadow Creek Ranch</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>17</td><td>Seabrook Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>18</td><td>Dodson Lake (has been pulled)</td><td>-9
</td></tr><tr><td>19</td><td>Burke-Crenshaw Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>20</td><td>Clute Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>21</td><td>Cedarbrook Elementary</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>22</td><td>The Woodlands - Terramont Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>23</td><td>Community Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>24</td><td>Clinton Park</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>25</td><td>Shawshank - Huntsville ** valid? **</td><td>9
</td></tr><tr><td>26</td><td>Glenshire Park</td><td>8
</td></tr><tr><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Total Baskets in the ground</td><td>328
</td></tr><tr><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Sugarland is considering one�</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Jack Brooks may add another 9</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td>Poss.</td><td>Richmond/Rosenberg (church)</td><td>18
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

I didn't see the Rice University course listed, did they pull it also? :confused:

Is River Grove a worthy course and representative of Houston DG? Is it still in the ground? I notice it is not listed on hfds.org.

I will be coming into town next Thursday 3PM and want to find a course within 30-45 minutes of IAH to play. Is there a better one to suggest?

Is Agnes Moffitt worthwile? It is very close to where I will be staying and I plan to play it late Friday afternoon.

Rivergrove is still in the ground. It is a beast in the woods and is kind of hard to find. I don't think there are maps or tee signs. If you want to play a good course close to the airport play Spring Valley DGC. It is a nine hole ball golf course and an 18 hole disc golf course. The best part is you can play the nine ball golf holes making it a total of 27 disc golf holes.
Moffit is flat, easy and nothing to write home about. Head up the highway and play Oak Meadows if you get a chance. If all else fails there is a nine hole in any direction just pick up a disc and throw you'll probably hit a basket! :cool:

I've heard that the Kingwood folks aren't very receptive to non-Kingwood residents...the only place to park requires some kind of parking permit.

I'd recommend Oak Meadow. From IAH it's a straight shot around the toll road to 290. Go North/West on 290 about 5 miles and exit at Spring Cypress / Cypress-Rosehill exit.
Take a Left at the second light (called Fry Rd going left) drive down about another 5 miles and right at the end of Black Horse subdivision, turn right at the Bridgeland sign. Follow that around until you come to a stop sign. Make a jog to the right and then a left into Oak Meadow Park. The concrete tee box for #1 is next the bridge by the pavillion.

Post up on the HFDS message board when you're gonna be there and chances are good someone will hook up with ya. You'll also find a color course map there, but with the new tee signs, all of the distances are marked on the signs. Play the Blue tees. Most all of them are the same as the White tees, but there are extended Blue tees for holes: #6, #8, #9, #10 and #12.

Tom Bass is way down on the South side so it's not as close as Oak Meadow. Shoot me a PM and I'll send you back my phone number...if I'm in town I'll try to hook up with you.

Think that's a bit more than five miles from beltway to Fry Rd. Well worth the drive, and be sure to give WARNING bout the fly'n varmits. Didn't you put them at a level eight recently with all the rain and such, Larry?

Yep...and I'm elevating the mosquito alert condition to a level 9 based on yesterday's experience after playing a round out there in the morning.

We talked with 2 groups of players that quit playing because they couldn't stand the swarming mosquitos...even with Off liberally applied! (Our group had to re-apply repellant twice during the round!)

The large (hummingbird sized) mosquitos were out in force yesterday. Wearing a regular t-shirt, I could feel the things bumping into back right through the fabric!

Still having a pretty good water flow rate in the ditch along #6 fairway - and of course the basket at #6 is still in the middle of a swamp. I thought they were supposed to be doing something about that?

Thanks for the input. I'm packing right now. Not sure about bringing the varmint repellant on the plane - I might get it confiscated!

Good to meet ya MP3 and to show you one of our better courses in Houston!

Mosquito index started out at a 1, but had climbed to about a 6 by the end of our late evening round! :D Glad I brought enough for both of us!

Minnesota mosquitos winter in Texas since they just can't bite thru down... :)

Is that were those big slow skeeters came from. :D

Good meeting you too Ching_Lizard. It was a good time and a good course. Thanks for showing me around. +10 at Oak Grove/Bridgewater, -10 at Agnes Moffitt.

Do I get to say "I told you so?" :DLoL :D

Good meeting ya Dave. Come back again sometime!

Okay. I have read through this post and appreciete it,.

Here is my situation. I am coming in from California in December I will be landing at Noon on Sunday at the Hobby airport.

Due to limited time and travel (rental car) no issues...where should I go play?

Also, does any have lights that I might be able to check out late Sunday or Monday or Tuesday night?

I appreciete any help.....
Reply here or Instant message...I don't mind

Thanks
Bob Pauly #22291

Tom Bass would be your best bet on that side of town.

As for permanent lighted courses..................still on our wish list.

If we know when you are coming, there might be some folks ready and willing to play with an "out-of-towner". :D

Zipper? Neal? Ching?

Hey Bob! With the sun setting so early these days, it's gonna be a little tough finding a course that you can play on at night.

Unfortunately, Tom Bass is probably "out" because it closes at dark.

What part of town are you staying at, and what part of town are you meeting at during the day?

If you are near the downtown area, then Mozola course is very nice, MacGregor is close to downtown, but probably not a good choice for night-time play.

For night golf courses, Moffitt and TC Jester are both pretty good with enough lights around to be able to find your discs again! :D

and Oak Meadows

I'm going to be in town and was going to try and play Conroe either today or Thursday if anyone is intrested in pitching?

I'm getting a half day off today! I'm planning on heading to Oak Meadow.

Correction- I won't be leaving till after 5 so I'll have to play manana. Anyone down for Conroe early tomorrow?

THanks for your help.

I will be landing on Sunday the 10th just before noon so I will try to make it out to Tom Bass (it sounds like one of the better ones)by say 1 or 1:30. I am willing to play with anyone...it makes navigating a course easier. I will be packing light of course....but hey it gives me a chance to play in another state.

Bring a big D driver overstable mid, overstable driver and a putter. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Be sure to give WARNING bout the fly'n varmits. Didn't you put them at a level eight recently with all the rain and such, Larry?



The mosquitos in Houston are sooooo big.......they use the freeways for landing strips. :D


Let us not forget the first permament course (Tom Bass Regional Park....original nine) and how it came to be. Thank you Houston and thank you John. Ya'll have really come a long way. ;)

Yeah and I was at the park when it was 1st put in and some crazy dude loaded my 3 year old self up with some lids but it tokk my dad and I another 8 years to find the sport. Oh BTW the crazy dude was Stimpy. :D

So it was you, the little dude out there picking up mine and my brother's disc that day. :D

Maybe???

Okay....So I land at hobby airport.

I will look up directions but we all know how internet directions work....what's the best way to get to TBass from there?

Thanks Bob

I hope to be playing by 1 on Sunday

Noey: you basically want to head around to the South of the airport until you hit Beltway8 (toll road). Hopping on is fastest but it will cost you a fistful of change. You can just stay on the feeder road the whole way for free, but you'll hit every traffic ligt.

When you get to Beltway 8, head West. Geez, I'm guessing about 4-5 miles and you really want to hit the underpass right before 288 (another freeway.) Take the U-turn underpass right at 288 and start heading back East on the feeder road but get over to the right. Watch for the Tom Bass Entrance sign on the right and turn in. You have to weave around a bit but when you come to the main circle loop, turn right and follow the loop around 1/4 mile and then turn into a pavillion parking area on your right again. The tee box for Wilmont #1 is by one end of the pavillion there toward the creek.

Or better yet take the exit after MLK and ride the feeder for about 3/4 mile and there will be a sign telling you how to get to the park. You go left under Beltway 8, keep going stright and turn right into the park.

Thanks for your help./////
But work did it to me again. I am now flying into Houston International

Is Tom Bass still the best option figuring I have about 4 hours to get there and play? If so best route there?

Thanks again for all your help.

If you have such little time to play when you arrive in Houston tomorrow, Tom Bass wouldn't be a good suggestion. You will be landing on the north side of the city and Tom Bass is way out to the south end. With the possibilities of grid-lock traffic going through downtown or a long ride around the tollway loop, you wouldn't be able to enjoy the place.

If you're on the north side of town I would suggest:

Spring Valley Golf and Disc Golf Club (http://www.springvalleygolfclub.com/index.htm)
This place is great and you'll leave Houston with a fantastic golf experience.

Hi,

I'll be in Houston 12/28-1/2. I'll be staying at the Sheraton North Houston at George Bush Intercontinental. I hope to squeeze in 1 round. I've got the list above, but which course should I choose?

Hey Lowe - If you only have time for 1 round, then I'd suggest Oak Meadow on the NW side of Houston. From your hotel, take Beltway 8 West (toll road) to US-290. Go North/West toward Austin. About 5-6 miles up 290, watch for exit sign showing two roads: Spring Cypress/Cypress-Rosehill. Exit there, stay on feeder road until 2nd light and turn left. The road name changes to Fry Road at that point. Go past light at old business 290 and notice the signs for the Blackhorse subdivision on your right. Keep going south on Fry Road about 3 miles. Watch for the end of the Blackhorse subdivision. Turn right when you see the huge brick sign that says "Bridgeland." Follow that road back about 2 miles I think and make the first right onto House-Hahl Road. Immediately turn left into the Oak Meadows Park. The tee box for hole #1 is pretty close to the pavillion there.

If you are in town over a Saturday, then I'd recommend that you attend the Commando Mini out there at 9am. Proceeds from the mini go to Texas States. PM me if you need a phone number for a local.

Tell him to pack a sack lunch for the drive, Larry! :D I think you are under estimating the distance.

If you are out by the airport, Spring Valley is right up the road and lots of fun as Dr P has mentioned before.

Oak Meadow is great but a good piece down the road. I know I live on that side of town and it's still a long ways for me! If time is limited, Spring Valley would be a better choice. Rent a golf cart, have some fun and still have time for a cocktail. :D

I'd second that Spring Valley call too...good course but it's a pay-to-play facility. Still, the novelty of getting to rent a golf cart for the round is pretty cool.

Sorry I can't really help with directions to it though...I think it has a website somewhere in the ether-world.

I'd recommend Oak Meadow.



Is Oak Meadow listed in the PDGA Course Directory? If so, what city is it listed under?

It is brand new and not in the book.

But if you take Beltway 8 to 290, head West and follow these directions.

The Spring Cypress/Rosehill/Fry Rd Exit off of 290 that you want is about 5 miles past FM 1960/Hwy 6 Exit.

Exit at Spring Cypress/Cypress Rosehill.
Go to 2nd light and turn left under 290. Fry Rd.
Go past the light at Old Business 290 and notice the Blackhorse subdivision on the right.
Go about 3-4 miles and watch for the end of the Blackhorse subdivision (and golf course) on the right...you should see a huge sign saying Bridgeland on the right, and make a right turn there. Follow that road back 2 miles and then turn right onto House-Hahl Road.
Make an almost immediate left turn into the Oak Meadow Park parking area

Streets & Trips shows it as 40 minutes from the SHeraton to the vicinity of Oak Meadow.

WHat about DOdson and TC Jester? Jester is only 9 holes, though.

Nope to both those, the cost to play Spring Valley is nominal, and a very good course. It is MUCH closer to you.

BTW, cart rental is an option.......not manditory. And it's about $5-7 to play all day.

I walk this one everytime.

Tell him to pack a sack lunch for the drive, Larry! :D I think you are under estimating the distance.

If you are out by the airport, Spring Valley is right up the road and lots of fun as Dr P has mentioned before.

Oak Meadow is great but a good piece down the road. I know I live on that side of town and it's still a long ways for me! If time is limited, Spring Valley would be a better choice. Rent a golf cart, have some fun and still have time for a cocktail. :D



Spring Valley sounds easier for me to get to, but personally I'm not that fond of DG on traditional golf courses. They're too open for me, and that makes them boring. I find that playing the greens as OB adds a necessary element of challenge (and maintaining the grounds), but it's gimmicky.

If travel is not a factor which course is better-- Oak Meadow or Spring Valley? WHich would give me the most quintessential taste of Houston disc golf?

Spring Valley is unique in that there is a power 9 with avg length of 550, and a finesse 18 through the woods that surround the bg course.

So, you can get a bit of both.

And the greens are OB on the power nine all the time.

Aaarggh! I played Spring Valley (after playing Oak Meadow) and I lost a disc on the next to last shot of the day! My white glo Roc went into the murky creek on the right side about 50 ft. in front of the basket on hole 18 of the finesse course. I was so bummed!

I wish someone (like Suemac) had told me that there are so many disc eating bogs, black water swamps, and murky creeks. You definitely need to warn people to bring discs there that they don't mind losing!

Aaarggh! I played Spring Valley (after playing Oak Meadow) and I lost a disc on the next to last shot of the day! My white glo Roc went into the murky creek on the right side about 50 ft. in front of the basket on hole 18 of the finesse course. I was so bummed!

I wish someone (like Suemac) had told me that there are so many disc eating bogs, black water swamps, and murky creeks. You definitely need to warn people to bring discs there that they don't mind losing!



Just throw better shots. :eek: I have never lost a disc out there myself.

Hey Lowe! Sorry we didn't hook up while you were here! Is there a way that I can view your reviews without having to give my e-mail address to Google?

I sure would like to read them, but I am hesitant to give my address to Google - I get too much SPAM already!

Most locals know enough not to risk their favorite discs on holes where there is water. I know that I carry a couple of "throw-down" discs for water holes.

Darn-that sux...I had the same problem the first time out there. I have always felt that there should be accurate tee signs with distance, layout and details such as a disc eating swamp / creek! Sorry ya lost your disc...if it ever turns up will mail back to ya. (it is marked, is'nt it?)

Sorry ya lost your disc...if it ever turns up will mail back to ya. (it is marked, is'nt it?)



Thanks for the offer. That would be very gentlemanly of you! Please email me first, though.

I also lost an old JLS on hole 8 at Oak Meadow, about 20 ft from the shore, but it's gone. That water is opaque and the bottom is gooey mud. I seriously doubt that that one will ever be seen again.

BTW, I absolutely loved the water holes by the lakes at Oak Meadow!!

Lowe - I tried finding a review by registering with Google (shudder) and registering for your group, but I don't see a darn thing that looks like a file. There is one empty post under TEXAS. Am I looking in the wrong place?

Lowe - I tried finding a review by registering with Google (shudder) and registering for your group, but I don't see a darn thing that looks like a file. There is one empty post under TEXAS. Am I looking in the wrong place?



Ching-

I haven't posted any of my Texas reviews yet. Oak Meadow will be the first, but I've got a couple of others to finish first. It may take a few weeks to get it done. Each review takes at least 2 hours to do.

Were you able to read the reviews from other states?

Also try clicking on "Beta" and you can see a few files I've put in the Documents section. That part's new to me too.

Ok - I checked out a couple of the other state's courses and found some! Holy smokes!!! I see what you were talking about when you said a round with you could be a little tedious. :D

How are you measuring all of the distances?

It looks interesting, but I need to see a review of a course I'm familiar with in order to understand all of it. Let me know when Oak Meadow goes up and I'll be able to follow it pretty closely.

I've started writing up my review of Oak Meadow. Who was the designer(s)? I saw Andi Lehmann credited on the HFDS message board. Did anyone else have a major role as designer?

Who was the designer(s) for Spring Valley? Did they have a particular player level (Gold, Blue, White, Red) in mind when they designed the course?

Lowe - Don Young co-designed Oak Meadow but I don't believe that he worked on the Spring Valley design.

Andi and I surveyed Spring Valley originally for Fly-18 and roughly mapped out many of the holes on the finesse course. But I didn't have anything to do with the course installation.

I would say Mike designed Spring Valley. I mean after it was put in it was crap but after he took some advice from others the course got cleaned up and is really nice. It went from a 4 on a 10 point scale to a 7.5

Here are some messages that I just posted on the HFDS Message board in the "Oak Meadow Place" thread:

The water holes-- 6, 8, 9, 10-- are fantastic! The lake on 8-10 is gorgeous!! I'm pretty tough in my evaluations, but I rated the Terrain and Beauty of these four holes all as 10. Here are my Overall Quality ratings (0-10 scale) for the Blue tees on these holes:

6 = 8
8 = 9
9 = 10
10 = 7

It's Very rare that I give a hole a 9 Quality Rating, and EXTREMELY rare that I rate a hole as a 10. I don't think I've played more than 20 holes on >180 courses that I would rate as a 10.

IMHO these 4 water holes carry the course. They gave me the euphoric feeling that great holes produce.

Soon I'll be posting my complete review at my Google group "DG Course Reviews".

Thanks for your good work and a most enjoyable round for an NC golfer!

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I hope you can forgive the hubris of an outsider from NC coming in and offering an evaluation of your course. My hobby is evaluating DG courses, so I'll offer my perspective for you to do with as you wish.

Here are a few relevant stats about the Difficulty of the Blue tees layout: (Sorry, but I probably won't be able to spend much time explaining how I derived these numbers. If you're interested you'll be able to find a fuller explanation when I post my Excel spreadsheet on my "DG Course Reviews" group.)

Course Level: Blue
Blue Close Range (CR) Par: 62
Holes with Blue CR par over 3:
6 = 5
8 = 4
9 = 4
10 = 4
11 = 4
12 = 5
(That's quite a cluster on 8-12.)
Estimated SSA: 55.9
Blue Scoring Average (BSA): 62.0
BSA - Blue CR Par: 0.0 (This is quite rare.)
Most difficult hole: 7 with a Blue Score Avg (BSA) of 3.43 on a par 3.

Course Difficulty Rating: 9.0 (on a scale of 0-10)

Using two other measures of difficulty the Blue tees layout came out as 14th and 16th most difficult of the >180 layouts that I've evaluated. This can mostly be attributed to the length, OB hazards on the water holes, and tight fairways on the woods holes (13-16). Well done on making a challenging course!

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An Excel spreadsheet with hole by hole data, and a pdf with the Overall Eval will be posted to "DG Course Reviews" as soon as they are finished.

Here are some messages that I just posted on the HFDS Message board in the "Oak Meadow Place" thread:

The water holes-- 6, 8, 9, 10-- are fantastic! The lake on 8-10 is gorgeous!! I'm pretty tough in my evaluations, but I rated the Terrain and Beauty of these four holes all as 10. Here are my Overall Quality ratings (0-10 scale) for the Blue tees on these holes:

6 = 8
8 = 9
9 = 10
10 = 7

It's Very rare that I give a hole a 9 Quality Rating, and EXTREMELY rare that I rate a hole as a 10. I don't think I've played more than 20 holes on >180 courses that I would rate as a 10.

IMHO these 4 water holes carry the course. They gave me the euphoric feeling that great holes produce.

Soon I'll be posting my complete review at my Google group "DG Course Reviews".

Thanks for your good work and a most enjoyable round for an NC golfer!

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I hope you can forgive the hubris of an outsider from NC coming in and offering an evaluation of your course. My hobby is evaluating DG courses, so I'll offer my perspective for you to do with as you wish.

Here are a few relevant stats about the Difficulty of the Blue tees layout: (Sorry, but I probably won't be able to spend much time explaining how I derived these numbers. If you're interested you'll be able to find a fuller explanation when I post my Excel spreadsheet on my "DG Course Reviews" group.)

Course Level: Blue
Blue Close Range (CR) Par: 62
Holes with Blue CR par over 3:
6 = 5
8 = 4
9 = 4
10 = 4
11 = 4
12 = 5
(That's quite a cluster on 8-12.)
Estimated SSA: 55.9
Blue Scoring Average (BSA): 62.0
BSA - Blue CR Par: 0.0 (This is quite rare.)
Most difficult hole: 7 with a Blue Score Avg (BSA) of 3.43 on a par 3.

Course Difficulty Rating: 9.0 (on a scale of 0-10)

Using two other measures of difficulty the Blue tees layout came out as 14th and 16th most difficult of the >180 layouts that I've evaluated. This can mostly be attributed to the length, OB hazards on the water holes, and tight fairways on the woods holes (13-16). Well done on making a challenging course!

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An Excel spreadsheet with hole by hole data, and a pdf with the Overall Eval will be posted to "DG Course Reviews" as soon as they are finished.



SSA at 55.9? I don't know about that. On the finess course I have shot 47, 49, 48, and I know those are not 1085-1065 rated rounds.

Matt - I think Lowe is showing us his evaluation for Oak Meadow...not Spring Valley.

Ummm...did you notice that the Subject says "Oak Meadow"?

Ummm...did you notice that the Subject says "Oak Meadow"?



Sorry I posted after reading the Spring Valley part. 55.9 is close but maybe a point too high. Anyway my rounds at OM are usually boring with like 3(2's) and 3(4s)every round for an even par. :D

I see Oak Meadow as being in 3 sections:
1) Holes 1-5. Par 3s of 314-394 ft., with mixed fairways of trees and grass.
2) Holes 6-12. Has the water holes and the longest holes with par 4s and par 5s.
3) Holes 13-18. Par 3s ranging from 277-397 ft. Four woods holes and the rest mixed.

I think that variety is essential to the enjoyment of a course and this course has plenty of variety.

... Anyway my rounds at OM are usually boring with like 3(2's) and 3(4s)every round for an even par.



Is this from the Blue tees? If so, then those 54s are great shooting and they are below the SSA, so those rounds would be rated above 1000. Par at OM is certainly higher than 54.

Who was the designer(s) for Spring Valley?
Did they have a particular player level (Gold, Blue, White, Red) in mind when they designed the course?

Andi designed it but it has become so nice because of the work that Mike has put in. I know when the course was installed there were some horrid holes. One of these was the finess hole in the middle of the golf course as it used to have a big bush right infront of the tree so all you could do was throw out to the track and play for a three. Mike took some players advice and cleared the bush and a tree or two making the 330' jole a nice straight shot with OB on the right.

So Andi wins by default.

Andi designed it but it has become so nice because of the work that Mike has put in.



Thanks. What is Mike's last name?

O'Brien I think. He's the owner.

I just uploaded my review of Spring Valley to my google group.

I will be in houston friday- sunday what is the best course to play? and is thier anything going on in houston that weekend?

Tom Bass is preparing for Texas States the following weekend, so there will be lots of folks out that way. If you are on the westside of town, Oak Meadow rocks, and on the Northside, Spring Valley (ball golf course).

I will be in houston friday- sunday what is the best course to play? and is thier anything going on in houston that weekend?



Jack Brooks Park south of Houston has a doubles thing on Sundays...

My only complaint about Oak Meadows...aka Bridgeland is the Mother Fu@$in snakes on the Mother Fu@$in course...My only fear is snakes.....Last weekend, I was out there and say 4 of those slimy bastards!!

what kind of snakes?

Cottonmouth and other wonderous poisonous snakes.

that sucks,ive never seen a snake at that course the 3 times that I have played it,I will definitely have to keep an eye out next time I do though.Can I check in on friday before or after doubles for TX States

Players who make lots of noise are less inclined to see varmits. I know that's way the only one I've ever encountered was at San Saba when I stepped on a rattlesnake, I don't recommend it.

I saw a snake sunday on hole # 16 wilmont