I use 3 fingers, and I get no flutter, and I can throw 300.

The more fingers I add to the grip, the more flutter and less snap I get. I'm about to back to my original two finger grip to get my snap back.
BTW-changing your grip and changing putting styles on a weekly basis does NOT help the DG game, but that doesn't seem to stop me.

Try the Modified Power Grip

Richard- The Monroe tournament this year is on the 24th (of November) I believe. I might try and make it up there sometime during that week and play a few practice rounds, and then make it there that Saturday for the tournament. I'm also going to be at Greenwood on the 17th for the tournament in Baker. Oh, and the team is just called "West Monroe" I believe.

What do you think about Rivendell? I've heard it's the toughest course in the state, but I haven't played it yet. Sounds pretty challenging. I've heard someone say they're gonna have a tournament in February but I don't know if that's true or not.

Try 3 fingers. Really, try it. It saved my game. I used to change putting stlyes and grips every week also. I finally found one that works, and have stuck with it for good results.

I suspect that grip is the least influential and most over-rated aspect of distance throwing. I've been experimenting with different grips--4 finger, 3 finger, 2 finger, power, modified power, fan, bird, pinch (heck, I've even tried the chicken wing ... uh, overhand wrist flip)-- for about two years now, throwing 100-150 drives in a field 3-4 times a week, and haven't seen any significant difference in D that can be attributable to grip. Yes, I'm throwing about 20% further now than previously, but I would attribute that to better technique (smoother mechanics, more consistent form, etc.) rather than any particular grip since my drives go roughly the same distance, regardless of what grip I'm using. I went back to using the four finger power grip for driving when I noticed that whenever I pick up a disc, whether it's pulling it out of my bag or picking it up off the ground or pulling it off the rack at the store or whatever, it naturally settles into a four finger power grip.

If you're already getting decent D and have half-way decent snap and you're thinking about changing your grip to get an extra 30-40 feet, my advice would be to find a field and work on your technique instead. Not only will changing your grip will mess with your head at the outset, it'll mess with your head when you try to switch back because your old grip won't "feel" right any more.

Jedidiah, you nailed it when you wrote, "I finally found one that works, and have stuck with it." It comes down to finding a grip that works for you and sticking with it. Using the power grip (4 fingers), I consistantly throw 320-350'. While I can consistently hit 320-350' using a bird or a pinch grip, I don't use them because I have small hands so they're hard on my fingers. Likewise, I don't use any of the various 3 finger grips because I feel I get better control and accuracy with 4. (Note: I'm not saying that a 4 finger grip is more accurate than 3, I'm saying that I FEEL like I get better accuracy using 4. Since 90% of the game is half mental, to quote Yogi Berra, why use a grip I don't have as much confidence in?)

Just my $0.02 (in pre-inflation, 1961 dollars. :-)

But, 3 fingers may correct the problem of turning a disc over too much.

I agree with felix, especially about certain grips being over-rated and how changing back and forth can really mess up your game.

I had to change grips because my old grip was ripping a hole in my finger. Used to get 330-350 with huge snap and good accuracy using a control grip but pinching really hard. Changed to the power grip and struggled for two years trying to get my distance back. With my old grip I could feel the rim of the disc snapping of my fingers. The power grip feels like I'm throwing with the palm of my hand and I don't get nearly the snap I used to. Have recently got back to my old distance mainly through technique..smooth footwork, making sure I reach way back and turn my shoulders and follow through. Still don't get as much snap though.

Jedidiah, three fingers MAY correct the problem, but then again, it may not; if the problem is too much snap and not enough arm speed, it's likely to exacerbate it. Maybe the disc is turning over because you're (not "you" in particular, just shorthand for "the thrower") overpowering it or you're releasing it flat or anhyzer or not enough hyzer, or mung angle is wrong, or there's a slight downward amgle in your arm swing or ....
(Personally, I've found that when I'm getting too much turnover, it usually means I'm overpowering the disc and need to slow down my arm swing and back off on the power a tad ("Think 'smooth'!!!").

I'm not saying changing grips won't make a difference. Maybe changing grips will force you to slow down your delivery, which has the unintended benefit of smoothing out your technique, thereby correcting the turnover AND resulting in better D; maybe changing grips changes the placement of your thumb on the disc plate, which changes the placement of the disc in your hand, which changes the nose angle of the disc on release, which changes the amount and rate of turnover. (Try this: go out to a field and throw a dozen or so drives with your thumb on or over the rim, then a dozen with your thumb extended pointing toward the center of the disc, and see how hit changes the disc's flight.) Go ahead: try different grips. Just don't expect miracles. Changing grips isn't a cure-all. Find one that feels comfortable and works for you, and stick with it. But recognize that there are at least a dozen other factors that affect disc flight and D just as much, if not more, and it's going to take practice, practice, practice and more practice to develop consistency.

I know that grip is not a cure-all. The guy's problem was he was turning it over too much with the same 2 discs that I was using and also had the same problem. I changed my grip and fixed it. I said that he should give it a try. That is all I said. Not that changing grips was a cure-all.

way to go jed...calling someone out who didn't read the post above his correctly......i have taught you well my son.......the force flows from within you stronger now......and congrats again on your rounds at sarasota......keith

Jedidiah, I apologize if my post seemed to be aimed at you as an individual. I thought, however, that my note, "not 'you' in particular, just shorthand for 'the thrower'" made it clear that I was referring to dg'ers in general, not to you individually. It was my editorial judgment that a generic "you"/"your" was less cumbersome and less awkward sounding than writiing "the thrower" or an inclusive pronoun construction such as "he/she" every time I referred to an person ("Maybe changing grips will force the thrower to slow down his/her delivery, which has the unintended benefit of smoothing out his/her technique, thereby correcting the turnover AND resulting in better D; maybe changing grips changes the placement of the thrower's thumb on the disc plate, which changes the placement of the disc in his/her hand, which changes the nose angle of the disc on release, which changes the amount and rate of turnover," etc.) Again, I was not taking a shot at you, and I apologize if I did not make that sufficiently clear.

Experimenting with new grips can ONLY improve your game.

I know that you weren't talking about my in particular. I was saying that people(not you in particular) were not reading the original intent in my post, which was, "The guy's problem was he was turning it over too much with the same 2 discs that I was using and also had the same problem. I changed my grip and fixed it." That was all I said, or intended. It's like this: same two discs, same problem, I change my grip, I throw good. Wouldn't you think that it might help him to give it a try?

Again, it might, particularly if he's turning the discs over for the same reason you were, but there are many factors, only one of which is grip, that can contribute to too much turnover.

Brett (the guy whose post got this thread headed down this road) noted in a followup post that he went out and did some throwing in a field and discovered his "arm speed was way too fast for [his] wrist snap." His solution was to snap his wrist harder, which apparently corrected the problem. Alternatively, he could have slowed down his arm swing.

What if he was throwing discs that were too light (say 160-165g) for the amount of power and snap he was putting on them? I've got a stack of 150 class vipers that turnover quicker than a $2 hooker unless I throw them at about 60% power, but my 173-177g vipers fly just fine at 90-100% power. And I no longer carry gazelles in any of its incarnations, simply because I've outgrown them. So sometimes it really is the disc.

Or what if the problem was his mechanics: what if he was starting the disc at waist level, pulling it in an arc to shoulder level during the arm swing, and releasing it just past the top of the arc, so his arm ends up back at waist level? (No, it's not impossible. I play regularly with a guy who uses just such a motion, and he consistently outdrives me by 50-60'. Accurate, too.)

Is trying a different grip worth a shot? Sure; but if it were me, I'd work on my mechanics before changing my grip because if the problem is mechanics, it's going to recur once I become comfortable with the new grip.

My suspicion is that we've just about exahusted this particular topic, so I'll let it drop. I've enjoyed the exchange of views, though.

again, same disc, same problem, got it fixed, shared my solution.

How does Jedidiah know that Brett doesn't already use the 3 finger grip? Brett never said what kind of grip he uses.
It seems strange that Jed has posted nine times insisting that Brett change his grip when Jed had no idea how Brett was gripping the disc to begin with.

DOES ANYBODY EVEN READ MY POSTS?

And also, why don't you ask me instead of in general. I can read.

Yeah Mac we read your posts

Great. I was directing that to "troll" who obviously did a keyword search for "3 finger grip". hyzertosser, are the water levels in the ditches at Wickham going down? I lost a disc on 17 and would like to fish it out sometime.

Oh, and "troll", if you would read my posts in the first place I wouldn't have to say it 9 times.

easy now jed...... you are starting to sound like mehttp://pdga.com/discus/clipart/happy.gifmost people don't look past the last hour, let alone the last day before saying something, and because of that,alot of things get said 2 thru 10 times before the thread just dies a painful death

Sautters Creek is now down from neck to tittie level. You better hurry though, as the Squids will be out in force soon. While your (sic) in there can you look for my CE TeeBird? http://pdga.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Sorry, I live across the state. I've got a tye-dyed XL in it. Was at 5 over when it happened. It really $ucked. He DID look in the archives. He knew how many times I said, "3 finger grip." Whoops, there's number 11.

Okay this is what I have to say about 400 foot drives. There must be a trick to it. It's just a gimmick, that's all. It's like when I was 12 and this kid down the street knew how to whistle real loud through his fingers. I couldn't do it and asked him to show me how, he showed me and I still couldn't do it. I did what he said all summer and practiced and finally I learned it, and when I got it, I GOT IT and from then on I can whistle real loud thru my fingers. It was just a trick.

So, this whole thing about 400 foot drives, it's just a trick, right? Its a gimmick. There's this guy that plays around here named Steve Brinster who can throw 400 and 500 and maybe even 600 feet any time he wants. He knows the trick. He's a small guy must weigh 160 and not real muscular. But he can chuck a disc a country mile and there has to be a trick. I just have to figure out what he does, so I can do it. What's the trick? It's not like he's any better than me. He just knows a trick.

So, what's the trick?

3 finger grip

Yeah

Morgan, having met you, and knowing that you're a nice guy and all, I feel like I can say this. Steve is better than you! He's better than most. AND, he knows the trick.

Fast and Smooth. Many people put too much emphasis on the run-up and that just throws your whole rhythm and flow out of whack.

fast and smooth. that's the trick. (for me at least)

Nobody is better than me. Some are better disc golfers, some are better bowlers, some are better in math. Some are better artists, some are better drummers, some are better lovers, and some are better liars. But nobody is better than me.

I got this from Werner Earhardt (Airhead Seminar Training or EST)

From time to time I hear about whether or not someone could throw over 400 ft or not. Here's a 400 ft drive believe it or not story. I just got back from playing at La Mirada. Played with eight other guys who could all throw over 500 ft. Joey Madrid, Bobby Musick, Sam Ferrans, Chris Brophy, Avery Jenkins, Dave Feldberg, Sam Hielman, and Matt Roulette. I can throw over 450 off the tee, but in this group, I was the weenie.

You're right Morgan, there is a trick. I don't "know" the trick but I'm performing it. What I mean by that is I can do it, but I can't teach it. I went from max of about 370' to 450' in a very short period of time, and I don't know what I'm doing differently.

I think greg s is right. Smooth is key. Earlier this year I was told that I looked much smoother than before. I played with Avery last weekend, and he looked incredibly smooth to me (but he needs to work on his head game). Of course being able to throw 400' doesn't help on a technical course like Morley http://pdga.com/discus/clipart/sad.gif

I find that if you throw every day your muscles build up. This spring I figured out the backhand with golf plastic, and my max was 300 for a while. It was pathetic. But I went out a lot and just threw drives in the field, maybe 50 a day, every other day. I was proud if I went 325. This summer, sometimes I hit a fluke drive that went 350, but rarely. But then around a month ago, they started flying out of my hand like rockets, and I'm not doing anything differently. It's just the muscles finally got stronger, that's all.

I can throw 400 on level ground pretty consistantly lately, and it's only from working those atrophied muscles back to life again. I went 10 years without throwing discs and the muscles all died. Now they are springing back. I wonder how far I could have thrown golf plastic 15 years ago when I was in top shape and tossing discs every day like I was, if I had beveled edge back then. God only knows.

I think the trick is smooth acceleration through the throw. Alot of the people I know including myself that can throw over 400 look like they are in slow motion up until the last step of the throw an then it just goes like hell, looks like very little effort. I think alot of people try to power the disc from the first step and that robs power. I can throw at least 450 but my scores <FONT COLOR="ff0000">����</FONT>, Throwing that far does very little to lower scores, I don't know why so many people are hung up on distance.

I would trade a 100 feet of D for more putting accuracy ion a heartbeat.

Watch Ken Jarvis for a proof of the "look like they are in slow motion up until the last step" theory.

Unless of course he's uncorking a 600 foot 360 Viper roller. He speeds up the walk-up on that throw...

C'mon Notch, you know exactly why everyone is hung up on distance. Throwing far is fun, no doubt about it, and every beginner wants that ego stroke. It takes a real man to figure out that there's more to golf than D (someday I hope to figure that out).

How many golf titles do Stokely and Voight have between them?

Rhett, Steve Wisecup (answer to the '89/Climo trivia question) is another great example. I can attribute a lot of my improvement to playing with him. He didn't teach me all that much (other than taking my left hand off the disc), but I know I picked up a lot of technique through osmosis, just by playing with him.

I play for about 2 years then quit for two or three and then restart. In my 1990 incarnation I decided to be the longest off the tee no matter what. I pretty much was but my scores were doo-doo. In a tournament I would hold the highest round and the lowest round of the weekend pretty often. (within my division of course) But it was great fun! I would ace a hole pretty much every two weeks or so and the experiences were worth remembering. So now I play with finesse and score a lot better but it's a drag sometimes being "grown up".

I throw maybe 450'-500' max, I can tell you this- if you can't then it's either grip or footwork. If you turn your shots and you're using the power grip, move your thumb forward 1/4" or so. If you want to turn your disc move the POINT of your thumb between your first two fingers. Try moving your wrist to more of a 90 degree angle to the top of the disc. Helps power a lot.

Run up is way overrated. I use one for timing on big throws but it doesn't help with distance at all. (I often run up more on short holes) If you don't know what the three step is, find a pro and ask.

BTW- I'm not real sure but I think I may be getting old.

Ed McGovern

If your max is only 450-500, then yes, you are getting old. Better get some geratol and Pepto Bismol.

i was wondering if anyone had an opinion on the importance of being tall for distance. if i remember correctly from physics class, those with a longer forearm should be able to generate more velocity. from my experience, the longer throwers i have seen seem to for the most part be tall and lanky with long arms. i'm 5'7" with short arms and i was curious as to if this will effect my max distance and if so, how much of a factor will it play? i.e. will me throwing 450' be more like someone who's 6'5" throwing 550?

thanks,

blake t.

I've seen a lot of short guys really whip 'em.

Blake, I think it helps being tall, but I doubt that it adds 100'.

Three of the 500 ft throwers I was playing with Friday at La Mirada were short. They made up for their shortness with quickness.

I have never seen a fat 500 foot thrower. All have been slim or average, never fat. They are all tall and slim or short and slim.

Morgan you should check out the WFDF.com page for results from BIG D. There was one or two gentlemen that were what you might call overweight that were crushin some throws.

Steve Brinster can't be much taller thab 5-8 and weighs about 150, but he threw like 14 shots in a row across the lake during the USDGC distance contest. All of those were well over five hundred feet. Like Morgan said, the shorter guys get more speed on their whip. It's all in your technique.

Have you ever seen Bobby Dodge from California drive? He is like a spring mechanism, his torso and hips really generate a lot of speed coming through to release. It's almost like a whip motion which results in a Monster crush. I'm sure other aspects come into play also (smoothness &amp; technique) but to watch this guy with his whip like motion is amazing!

Morgan, Bad news on the fat thing, I'm 6'tall and weigh 245 lbs. I am considering losing 50 lbs this winter, if I go from 450' to 600' I'll let you know. Ed

The farthest I saw Brinster throw was this week. It was disgusting. Hole 14 long pin at Warwick he went through the gap still 80 feet in the air, then another 200 feet past that, and it finally landed in the trees at the stream, still 30 feet in the air, and dropped at the stream. That was 600 feet easy. It's sickening. I can't understand it, it defies all the laws of physics. There is no scientific way of explaining it. Einstein would have to invent another law of relativity, Newton has to rewrite all his laws. F = ma gets thrown out the window, it doesn't apply. It's freaky to watch. I don't understand it. I want to learn the trick.

It's clinical, I tell you.

Steve was bioengineered to perform the way he does. An experiment of the secret Alpha project. Using him to judge ones distance throws off the curve.
Actually it's all form and technique. Steve has one of the sweetest most fluid throws I've ever seen. No fast run up, no 360. Just step up and let it rip. It truly is poetry in motion.

Bob Dodge, I kinda poured it on him at the So-Cal Champs.http://pdga.com/discus/clipart/proud.gif Side bet of $10.00 for the round and got him by a few strokes. He ain't skinny but he ain't fat either. I am 5'11" and weigh 200 and I throw over 500. Weight means <FONT COLOR="ff0000">����</FONT>! Snap is where it's at, you get that disc spinnin and DUCK!

Weight really does mean nothing. I am 5'8", 130, my dad is 6'2", 180, and I outdrive him by 40 feet.

I would have to agree on that neither weight or hight have very much to do with distance, yes have lengthy arms will help you release the disc at a higher speed, but if you don't learn to utilize the accelaration of the disc it doesn't really do you any good. The most important thing i have learned from some amazing disc golfers is to get the little bugger going, and going fast. If you were to look at a chart of the speed of your disc it would grow at an expenential rate, so get your arm back and give it some feet in your hand to bring that up. This seems to also help with the snap because with high speed it will snap out of your hand. I really don't know much, but thats about all i know. This one lesson got me throwing from like 100 feet to upto 400-450 in like 2 months now so i'm assured it helps.

There is definitely a trick. It's not 'smoothness'. All other things held equal, long arms and wide shoulders help a lot. It is usually more difficult for the tall guys to pull quickly, but when they can...The whole trick is to spring the disc off of the wrist and fingers. IE use your fingers and wrist as springs and not as hinges. Force as much pressure in as short a time frame as possible onto as tight a spring as possible, and...magic.

How do you use a wrist as a spring? What do you mean, make your fingers into springs? how can you do that? Spring it off your wrist and fingers? Huh?

I just use brute force to get 400. Imagine if I had vanadium springs in my wrist and fingers, I'd teach that Voigt a thing or two. Teach me how!!

Weight can have much to do with distance...if a person is putting alot of weight behind their throw.
Legs can have much to do with distance...if a player puts alot of the drive in the legs.
Wrist can have alot to do with distance...if the player puts alot of snap on the drive.
Height can have alot to do with distance if the player uses height for it's advantage.
Muscle length can have alot to with distance if a player has long muscles and again...uses them for their advantage.

There are players that explode like a bomb and drive incredible distances. There are players that hardly do anything and drive incredible distances.

Take your pick for what works for you.

A truly tight grip is part of what Dave is trying to tell you. If you listen when a power player releases you'll hear the snap of his fingers coming together after the disc rips its self out of his fingers.

Then explain why Voight or Stokely don't use a tight grip. It's a fan grip. And I've been beside Stokely when he rips one. No snap.
Try this some time. With your arm completely still. Flick your wirst as hard as you can and see how far you can get a disc to fly. Now incorporate that into arm motion. Finally add an aproach. Then come down to our course where our local big arm can throw 550 and watch him. Good arm speed, a fan grip, nice approach and no wrist action. His wrist is even with his arm. We're trying to teach him the wrist part now. When he learns this it's gonna be scary.

I think one of the most overlooked parts of distance is the lower body. True if you don't have the arm speed you won't get the distance, but I've seen plenty of people get 300-350 with little more than just brute arm stength. If you watch the guys that are really crushing it, look at the way they use their legs, hips, and stomach. They use their entire body to throw, not just their arm.

I agree with Forrest. Using the legs, hips and shoulders in sync, you can really rip one. From reading an article by Rick Bays, it is a progression. Legs power the hips, which power the shoulders and then the arms. Any of those by itself wouldn't give much power, but the combination from legs up to shoulders make the next body part that much faster. By the time you are fully rotated, your arm is moving twice as fast as it would be without the previously mentioned progression.

ok than...riddle me this...

Is it feasible to say that a person can "max out" their distance at say 300 or 325? and if so, is this person going to be competitive at the pro level?

I'm just curious because so much emphasis is on a long drive, but with a deuce or die mentality, it IS all about a long accurate drive.

comments....suggestions???

Actually Randy, I think if you can throw accurately to 350' and putt well from 30' and in you can play with anyone. Everyone just loves to see a disc get crushed.

* Then explain why Voight or Stokely don't use a tight grip. It's a fan grip. *

The fan grip results in slightly less spin, which means that there will be less tailing off and more distance at the end of the shot. However, accuracy may be slightly compromised.

Check it out yourself. When you use the fan grip, you can't **** the disc as far back as you can with a full power grip. Furthermore, the full power grip can't be cocked as far as the modified power grip (the flip the bird grip). The more the **** on the grip, the more spin to the throw, all else being equal.

At the end of the throw, when the disc starts to stall, if there is lots of spin energy remaining, there will be more presient (sp?) effect -- more tipping of the disc and more tailing off. And visa versa.

At least that's how I see it in theory and on the practice field. Go to the practice field and try it out for yourself.

We all use similar technique to throw, but the only way to get the distance is to go out and throw lots and lots of drives.
Each of us has our own swing. The basics are the same but that�s about it.
I can watch Scott or Kenny all day long but my throw will never be like there�s.
I also believe that smoothness does make the disc fly farther, because when it leaves the hand it doesn�t lose energy trying to stabilize.

In all actuality, the grip has little to do with overall distance. Use whatever is comfortable. It's the "whipping" motion that is created by your hips, followed by the upper torso and finishing off with a strong pull across the chest. Last issue of DWGN had the article with Voight who described what distance throwing entails. He also said that normally the throw won't work on a course because of lost of accuracy.
I'd agree with Forrest on the benefits of being able to throw this far. Here in N.C. almost all of our courses are wooded. Distance will only do so much for you when you have to hit a 8 foot wide gap 250 feet from the teepad. And distance won't do a thing for your putting game.
But it sure looks good when Forrest, Steve Brinster and the rest of the guys are chuckin em across the lake at Winthrop.

I can't drive 400', but I do know that when I gain some extra pounds, my distance drops off. When I finally motivate myself to drop the pounds, the distance comes back. Being able to move your body fast is directly related to being able to move the disc fast. This must sound very obvious, but I thought I would mention anyway.

Springs and Hinges? Just another thing to think about and mess me up. I think I will just become a roller geek.

Morgan, it's a tendon bounce. Baseball analogy...A pitcher's fingers and wrist are used to bounce the ball to the catcher. There is very little wrist motion. You can try it yourself. With a ball or a disc. Force the weight of the disc or ball against your stiff wrist and fingers and it will bounce out. Your wrist and fingers only need to be stiff at the moment of impact. Throw your normal grip and action, but try to stiffen your wrist and fingers as much as possible at the snap. There are many things you can do before and during the impact to increase power and efficiency, but the trick really is the bounce.

If you are fat, you might have an extra 2 or 3 pounds of fat in your arm. You can't accelerate the disc without accelerating your arm, and you can't accelerate your arm without accelerating the fat IN your arm.

Throwing a disc with 3 pounds of fat in your arm is like throwing a 3 pound ( 175 gram) disc. It won't go as far. The rest of your body, the same thing applies. YOu can't twist your torso when it has 50 pounds hanging off it. All fat does is weigh down every bit of quick motion you need.

Skinny people can chuck 'em.

does that work the same for muscular people?
since you can't whip a flexed bicep/tricep and muscle weighs 1.6X as much as fat, are they at an even greater disadvantage?

Blake,
That may be true, I first played disc golf when I was a serious gym rat. I always lifted with a power lifter so I always trained slow twitch muscle fibers, since then I have had two children and and a much increased work load. So now my only excercise is disc golf I have lost most of my muscle mass and my distance has increased. In theory the best way to increase distance would be to train fast twitch muscle fibers, explosive movements and high reps. I have yet to find time to test this theory but just the fact that I am know where near as strong as I once was and I can throw much further gives it some credibility in my mind.

Muscle mass is not dead weight the way fat is. Muscle is live weight. Fat is dead weight.

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Gee Morgan, a little biased against people overweight? Once again I'll refer you to the WFDF.com page and check out the photos from Big D.
There are a couple of overweight gentlemen there and as far as I can tell, both of them can out throw you.

After checking the page myself again, I'll conclude this. The two overweight gentlemen did out throw you and even better, they had witnisses to their 600 foot throws. In all actuality, a 400 foot throw wouldn't even get you a visitors pass to BIG D. Heck Voight was throwin minis that far.
http://pdga.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Sorry. You just sent me to a place that proved I'm Wright:


Chris Voigt = slim

Randy Lahm = slim

Marc Jarvis = skinny

Ken Jarvis = skinny

Scott Stokely = slim

Marc Molnar = slim

Sam Ferrans = slim

Jon Freedman = big bones

Matt Roulette = anorexic

Casey Lewis = average

Dave Dunipace = slim

Rob Wilson = average

David Parnell = skinny

John Ahart = skinny

Don Daynes = average

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I'm hoping that you found this somewhere, and didn't take the time to type it all yourself!!

I dont think being big and strong or slim and skinny has anything to do with it. ITS ALL ABOUT THE TECHNIQUE and having the thermals at the BIG D to throw into doesnt hurt at all either. Give me one of those thermals to rip into on a big throw with a nice crosswind that makes the disc S for a mile then ill tell you how far i can really throw. I have seen 250 lbs muscle guys throw discs 200 ft max then i stand up there at 6 ft 150 lbs and throw 400+ Ft. Its all about the technique and if you want to get into it there are alot more skinny lookin guys that can throw far then there are big burly lumberjack lookin guys.

I aced a hole at my home course that with the out and around it was prolly 420 ft or so. My buddy was playin with these guys a couple days after when they got up to that hole on of the guys said "hey man you should have seen this Scrawny lookin kid ace this hole the other day." My buddy just laughs and goes "yeah i know that kid." Which proves you dont have to be big to throw the disc a long way. I think you can get better snap and technique when all the muscle and fat are moved out of the way. It allows for a straighter pull threw and greater snap rather then a bowed pull threw.

The bigger/heavier the arm, the more power it takes to accelerate it...thus giving the lighter weighted arms an advantage...in this one respect, anyways.
.02

I drove 400' once, but it was in a golf cart

Modesty will get you no where Chris, except to Worlds.