Does anyone have information about a disc golf course being installed in Nagshead near mile post 14? I heard last night that there had been an article in the paper there about it.

Any word on the Nagshead course?

Any word on the Nags Head course?

They are supposed to be building another course in Rocky Mount soon(well the Nash/Edgecombe Disc League says so)

Jeff, the lady who told me about the NagsHead course is back in Richmond. Next time I see her, I will ask about it.

according to terry f, there is a course being installed in the town of nags head proper... eventually. sounds like the project is just getting going though- i doubt they have any concrete dates for installation etc. looks like ace run ranch is still the closest alternative at this point.

Who runs the Nash/Edgecombe Disc League? and when will the 2nd Rocky Mount course be playable?

I am pretty sure Rick Sanford is the man heading it up. His contact numbers are listed in the courses directory here online.

thinking about redesigning the course in Jacksonville, NC anyone nearby wanna help or got any input?

Scott,

Take away the mando hole. Don't change the back nine.

Kirk

Kirk,
Which Mando hole. I have a mando left on 6 around a tree, and a mando right around a telephone pole on 8.

Laurinburg. The Winter DGWN (64) said on p. 9 that Laurinburg is planning to put in a course. (Laurinburg is SW of Fayetteville, not far from the SC border.) Does anyone know anything about this? Who is working on it and designing it? Have they made any progress?

ok...this is the 1st i've heard of a course there... that's on the way to my girlfriends mom's house.../msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif gonna have to investigate more on this uh huh....

There's like, one stoplight in Laurinburg...Plenty of land for DG.

Any news on the Nags Head course?

Chris Hysell, could you please e-mail me the e-mail address of the women who has the information? I'll be going to the OBX on vacation and I'd love to play anything out there. My quest to play every course in NC goes on!

Does anyone have information on the Wake Forest University course? (Steve Waters, are you lurking out there? You mentioned it once.)

Fello NC DG'ers. Are there any courses near Corolla in the Outer Banks? Going next month and would like to find a course to play.

Nothing really that far east. There's a course in Williamston but its a little more inland. Might want to check out Virginia since your so close. They've got one in Suffolk and in Newport News.

Thanks Michael!

I seem to remember a course in New Bern. It's about 35 miles from the coast isn't it?

New Bern, 35 mins from the beach yes but not the OBX. Better luck in Virginia Patrick

I played New Bern for the first time at Tuesday dubs. Nice course! Joe Weldin has done a fine job. Got to get back and play, this time with full capacities. ;>) Too bad I gotta work Sunday... The view from 3's tee pad of the Neuse is sweet!

I agree Bert, Joe's the man. Ideal location, only course I know in East NC w/hills & it plays along the Neuse river. Just dont be downwind from that sewage plant on the wrong day. It can cut your round short for sure.. Far shot in the dark here but the course needs more permanent baskets if anyone reading ever upgrades current baskets at your local course please let us know in New Bern. This course could use them for sure.. thanks

Bert,

I was out there tuesday. Were you one of the guys from Greenville? I agree, New Bern is an excellent course! I only have 2 complaints though:
1). Needs new baskets, we would've gotten at least 6 under if the homemade baskets hadn't have spit 3 of my birdie putts out from the center of the chains.
2). Bugs are crazy, 3 of us used an entire can of bug spray and still got eaten alive.

JLee, we got lucky with the wind, no P-U during play. On the way down there is a paper plant just to warm you up for the sewage plant. Um-um-good! Boydman, yep I hail from G-vegas (I'm the red-head). Those man-made baskets are huge! My partner got kicked out, too. Get some Deep Woods Off w/DEET. Either that or Cutter's has always treated me right. The skeeters stayed away from me, but they would have felt good if they drank my blood! Peace

Patrick, if it's not out of the way you really should peep Farm Life Disc Golf in Williamston. Kent Roberson has put a great course on his land. Tight, wooded, for most of the course. Keep 'em low, flat and straight, and bring the Off.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the info!

Right nea' da beach!!

Boyeeee!

Looard hab Mercy

p.s. Anyone know how to get to the Kinston course from New Bern?

Go to the Course Directory, look up New Bern, click on the the "Web Site!!" address on that page, and there are directions on the New Bern DG page. www.geocities somethin'another dot com.

Hwy 70W, turn rt on Hillcrest Rd.. takes you right to the park. Landmark to look for from hwy 70 to Hillcrest is an old military vehicle junk yard on the rt.. bring your bug spray

Dear Patrick -

If you are near Elizabeth City, you might want to visit Pasquatank County's Fun Junction Park. I believe their course is in the ground now.

Take care,


Harold

Hey, I am having download problems so I cannot get any info on Zebulon Cha-Ching and Zing. I need to pre-reg, so I need amount, where to send it, times, etc. Please email me, post here, or start a thread... if someone could help a brotha out, I'd appreciate it!

Harold, PasquaWHATDIDYOUSAY! Is that something new you guys put in? Is it 18 holes? Where is it, and how do we get there?
Scott Knapp

Bert, try this:
http://www.radl.biz/

Harold - Thanks! Thats the closest one yet. I'm staying in Corolla and the way it looks on Mapquest, theres only one way in & out. So, if I'm reading it correct, it will take me 2 hours to get to Elizabeth City, which is only 65 miles away! If you have any details on the course, please let me know.

Scott, It is actually Pasquotank County Fun Junktion. Check out this link for more info http://www.co.pasquotank.nc.us/departments/park/fun_junktion_educational_and_rec.htm

Mike D

Lowe,

There is a course on the campus of Wake Forest in Winston. It's a wee 9 holer with baskets, limited signage and a tough layout to navigate if you haven't played.
Wake Forest is a private school populated almost entirely by the wealthy children of the Yankee elite (think Duke without all the ugly kids). It's replete with security guards so be careful to avoid some of shenanigans DGers may or may not partake of on the course (beer included).
Best times to play are any college break and the summer. While in Winston a trip to Horizons Park would be in order since I understand it was recently reconfigured to add quite a bit of distance.

Tee Off & Fly Freely

Thanks, JLand, but I cannot download any link online. If the info is not on a webpage, messageboard, or my email, I can't read it. Got to get it worked out. Its OK 'cause a friend is getting the flyer from another server. Thanks though...

Can someone get Roger Crooks' email address for me? Thanks.

Kudos to Kevin Smith and the R.A.D.L. for putting together the best course guide I have ever seen!

http://www.radl.biz/Courses/courseguides.htm

Check it out, you won't be disappointed!

yeah....the RADL webpage is now the best local disc golf page ive ever seen.......I'm proud to be a RADL member and citizen of Raleigh

I am a local player in High Point NC. Your Raleigh site and course guide is great! I come to Raleigh sometimes so now I will know where to go play. Thanks a bunch.

Kevin

Disc Golf Decals - T-Shirts - License Plates
http://www.stores.ebay.com/discgolferstuffplus

And Raleigh is proud to have you Leonardo. Due to the size of your head, your also a citizen in 2 surrounding counties as well

OLD PLANK ROAD, Thomasville, nc. Concrete dude would like to thank all the supporters of the BAGGERZ BIRTHDAY BASH. WE have inner chains on the way!! Thanks, Concretedude

What's the nearest course to the outer banks?

Currently Farm Life in Williamston is the closest to the OBX. If you're going to Ocracoke then New Bern may be the closest. Elizabeth City is planning a course and there are unsubstantiated rumors of a course to go in at Nags Head.

Can someone send me directions to the Wake Forest U course? I hope to play there this Sat. 8/23.

Lowe
Lyrh@usa.com

I want to say a sincere thanks to the people who sent me directions at very short notice. I played the Wake Forest U course (along with Richmond Hill in Asheville and Hilton in Hickory) last Saturday. For the WFU students it sure must be nice to have a course right on campus.

Here are some directions and my write up from my NC Course directory:

Wake Forest U (Private)
9 Holes
Length: 2120 ft.

Baskets: Mach V, painted WFU yellow.
Tees: Natural

Description:

Directions:
From the East: I-40 Bus. to 52 North and go to the 2nd University Parkway Exit. Go straight on University Pkwy for approx 4 miles to the Polo Road Exit . Turn right on Polo then take the next left on Wingate Drive. You're now on the WFU campus. Turn right on Carroll Weathers Dr. Turn left into the large Visitor�s Parking Lot.

From the West:
Take I-40 Bus. to the Silas Creek Pkwy Exit. Follow the signs to Wake Forest University. This will take you in through the Reynolda Ave. entrance. Go in past the security check. Turn left on Allen Easey St. Then turn right on Carroll Weathers Dr. (As you pass Polo Residence Hall you can see the basket for hole 2 on your right.) Turn right into the large Visitor�s Parking Lot.

Tee locations: Tee 1: The tee for Hole 1 is right across the street from Polo Residence Hall. You will be facing Wait Chapel and the large parking lot in front of it.
There are long walks to the tees on holes 3, 4, 5, 6 from the preceding basket:. Starting at basket 2 the course basically goes in a counter-clockwise direction for holes 3-6.
Tee 3: With your back to basket 2, and facing Polo Residence Hall, go to your left around edge of the woods. The tee sign is across the street from Student Apartment Bldg A. The fairway is into the woods.
Tee 4: From basket 3 go back out to the street. Facing the student apartments go to your left. This hole also goes into the woods.
Tee 5: This is the hardest tee to find and your longest walk. Going back out to the street, facing the street, go to your left again, then turn left at the first street. Look for the back side of the Scales Fine Arts Bldg. The fairway goes into the woods behind this building.
Tee 6: Continue walking around the back of the Scales Fine Arts Bldg and you�ll come to the tee by the edge of the building.
Tee 7-9: Walk across the street to Davis Field. You�ll see basket 9 and Tee 7 is to the left of this.

Campus Map:
See a Campus Map at http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/maps/wfu-map2000.gif or download a PDF of it at http://www.wfu.edu/visitors/maps/wfu-map2000.pdf

*To obtain a copy of my NC course directory, as well as lots of disc golf info, you can join my MSN Group called "Disc Golf Resources" at http://groups.msn.com/DiscGolfResources

Can anybody send me information about a private course in Thomasville? I'd especially like to know who to contact to get permission to play there as I continue my quest to play every DG course in NC. I'll be making a trip on Sat. 10/25 and I hope to get to 60 NC courses played.

Also, does anyone have information about a private course called "Elephant Oaks Farm" at a B&B near High Point? The last I heard they only had 3 baskets.

Please send any replies to me at Lyrh@usa.com

Thanks in advance.

Lowe, this is not a "PDGA Issue", just like the guys talking about the Cubs!!! /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif This board is for whatever disc golfers choose to talk about. I've been waiting 95 years to talk about the Cubbies! Give us a little break!!! You must be a Braves fan. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

The Thomasville course is private. Get up with me some weekend and I'll take you out there. Short course with home-made baskets around a pond.

The Elephant Oaks Farm course is on hold. We made three holes and then were told we have to move the course to a different part of the farm. We'll be getting back on that one soon.

oakhollowdgc@triad.rr.com

SuperDave, Thanks for the info.

Lowe, be sure to play old plank road in thomasville!!!! it's a private course too.

Dave,
So is the Old Plank Rd coure another course in addition to Eric Beck's?

I think i'm showing up in NC sunday if i don't hit the Grange in VA for some disc golf viewing of a fine supertour. I'm not sure what i'd play though, perhaps Hornets Nest? Love that the first time i went. If i'm not in Va, i'll be wandering around NC playing here and there, find me and join in!

Mitch,
have you played Rennaisance in Charlotte? It's the hardest course in NC and one of the best in the state. Also, have you played the 2 Burlington courses? Those are 2 of my favorites. And if you're coming down I-95 there's Zebulon. Lots to choose from.

Lowe, Dave was referring to the archdale course I believe, not Concrete Dude's. I don't know why he said T'ville though.

Renny Original and Renny Gold- most challenging by far. Play them both. And Hornet's Nest is never a bad choice!

Mooky, Thanks for the clarification.

this article was in Raleigh's paper this week...We've all heard about Marsh Creek Park geting a new course, but they've talked about it forever...this article confirms the course is going in!! The part about disc golf i son the bottom, and only mentions that it will be 18 holes, but still , another course in raleigh sounds awesome!!

http://www.newsandobserver.com/news/nrn/story/2937499p-2694904c.html

Robert, I remember Carlton talking about Marsh Creek a few years ago. It was close to his old house. My understanding from that article is that the disc golf course is still planned but won't come out of the $4 million that was approved. It still looks like it is on hold. At least it is still a possibility.

yeah, it right down the road from Carltons house.....ive heard its gonna be a HARD course....its on the Zebulon side of Raleigh, right off 64..

as far as the money, Kirk told me the money was there....so idk whats going on

what is the closest/most worthwhile course to topsail island? i see there is one in wilmington, anything else?

thanks

Jacksonville and Richlands both have really great courses. I believe Richlands is pretty close to topsail but I'm not sure. You'll have to talk to scott knapp about that. He's straight DEP fo sho!

great, thanks. i vacation there a few times a year and will be checking them out in about a month.

md.. both J-ville & Richlands are approx 20-25minutes from topsail beach.. If your on the south end of topsail beach your only 30 minutes from Castle Hayne park (Wilmington NC) & you MUST play this course.. its a definate challenge at a par 64

thanks. the house i rent is in surf city, which i think is the south end. looks like i'm gonna have to check out the par 64. hopefully a local will be there to show me around, it sounds like i'll need it.

Surf City is on the south end, its not a bad drive at all to the Castle Hayne Park, 25-30mins.. Its a college town so theres usually someone out that can show you around. Its a great course. Have fun

Just get up with Nathan Bond, I think he isthe course Pro, and he posts on this board regularly.

anyone up for castle hayne monday through wednesday next week?

i'm playing loriella on the way down saturday, will be in nc sunday.

Surf City is on the south end, its not a bad drive at all to the Castle Hayne Park, 25-30mins.. Its a college town so theres usually someone out that can show you around. Its a great course. Have fun



Surf City is on the South end of the island, but all that means is that you've got to drive back up North to get to the bridge that takes you over to the mainland, then turn around and head South. It should add about 45 minutes to the trip.

Going to Cedarock, Burlington, tomorrow (Sat Aug 7). Might need some help with the wooded course, I had some trouble finding where to go. The open course is my favorite in the state besides High Point, but the first time I tried the woods course i never found hole 3...

Take a new look @ Yadkinville. We finally have 18 basket and its playing sweet.

Anybody here know the deal with Barber Park in Greensboro? I went there Friday and did a lot more searching for tees than actual playing. Some tees are not marked at all and the ones that are just have a white, ground-level cylinder. The park is huge and well maintained, I wish there were at least some flags to mark the tees.

Thats pretty much all you get at Barber. The parks dept wont let the golfers put in concrete tees. Soon they are gonna redo the whole park and take out all the open holes. All the big open field holes are gonna be parking lot from what I hear. :( If I remember correctly there is a course map up on the bulletin board by the first tee. I dont believe 15 or 17 have tee markers but they throw from the gravel path (I dunno if this is making sense or helping at all). I think everything else has markers even tho they are kinda hard to find except for hole 7. It may not have a marker and may not even have a basket.

Greensboro is tough if you have never played it before. The first time I played I never found holes 9 and 10. It took a friend to show me before I played all 18.

there is a doubles event on Wed Nights at 6 pm. random draw, best shot. Ace pool is at 200$(or close to it) is what I heard today.

I have also heard the course will be redesigned and given a major facelift. Can't wait to see the New new greensboro. This course is only a few years old already, and changes to be made. I look forward to the new course!

Next week (11/19-11/21) I hope to play the courses at Brevard College and Mars Hill College. I know how to get to the campuses, but can someone tell me where to find the courses once I get there? Where is the first tee? and where should I park?

My quest to play every course in NC continues. I've now played every course installed before 2004 and I only have 3 left to play (also missing the new Greenville course). It's elusive because I almost do it, but then someone puts in another course.

If you have the directions please email me at Lyrh@usa.com.

I'd really appreciate any info you can give me.

Lowe

Check your pms md21954....

Does anybody have any information about how to find the courses at Brevard College and Mars Hill College?

Find Mars Hill's webpage and search for faculty. Ryan Pickens is a professor there and the one in charge of the disc golf course

Find your way to asheville, or more importantly to highway 19/23 north towards mars hill. Take exit #11 to mars hill, left of the ramp, straight through town and the campus. On your left will be a church fellowship hall, park in this lot. 1st tee is by the bulletin board, over by the apartment building.
The course is a little hard to navigate, here's some help. After hole 1, next tee is up the hill, to the left. After hole 4, the 5 tee is down the hill, across the parking lot, in the corner. Hole 9 tee is up the hill after 8, right on the road, and behind the white fence. 16 is down the hill into the parking lot, tees back up hill. Hope this helps, the course is sweet, one of the best around, and plays through the campus, so it's a busy on school days.

Charlotte has such awesome courses that I'd like to try to make the information available to a wider audience.

Would someone please give some updates about progress on the following Charlotte courses:

-Hornet's Nest Gold, par 70.
-Reedy Creek Stout
-Sugaw Creek 18 holer

I'd especially like to know the projected completion dates so that I can plan a trip to Charlotte.

The Mars Hill college course is awesome! It has the best elevation changes in North Carolina. They've done an amazing amount of work there. In my estimation it is tied for second best in NC (with Cedarock in Burlington). I gave it an overall rating of 93. By all means play it if you have a chance!

I've now completed my quest to play every accessible public and private course in NC; 74 courses in all. I've been compiling a database of all the courses I've played along with rankings.

My vote for the best are:
1. Renaissance in Charlotte
2. Ceadarock in Burlington
2. Mars Hill College in Mars Hill
4. Wellspring in Burlington

Most Difficult: (note that this means the difficulty for a White level (900 rated) player to shoot par. It is NOT a measure of how hard it is to shoot 54. On many courses par is NOT 54!!)
1. Buckhorn Blue in New Hill
2. Castle Hayne in Wilmington
3. Green Pines in Knightdale
4. Renny Gold-B in Charlotte

Most scenic holes:
1. Hole 18 at Tar River which plays along the Tar River
2. Hole 3 (Original=Black layout) of Higher Ground in Middle Creek. Your drive has to hyzer over the lake and land on a peninsula surrounded by a creek.

Best 9 hole course:
Mint Hill in Mint Hill

Longest holes:
1. Hole 18 of the Lake Benson object course in Garner (that I designed) is 1200 ft.
2. Hole 11 of Renny Gold-A in Charlotte is 1042 ft.
3. hole 13 at Northeast Creek in Jacksonville is 1001 ft.
3. Hole 18 of Renaissance Gold-B is 1001 ft.

Shortest hole:
1.Hole 6 at Ridgecrest in Black Mountain is 51 ft.

Much of this information is available in documents that you can download at my MSN Group Disc Golf Resources.

Brevard College has the nicest baskets I've ever seen. They are Mach Vs with a royal blue coating on the top and basket. Sad to say, though the course is in disrepair. Holes 7 & 8 are out of commission. How forlorn to see those beautiful baskets wasted in a field of weeds. As I walked a way I couldn't help thinking, "What a waste of beautiful baskets!"

Would someone please give some updates about progress on the following Charlotte courses:
-Hornet's Nest Gold, par 70.
-Reedy Creek Stout
-Sugaw Creek 18 holer
I'd especially like to know the projected completion dates so that I can plan a trip to Charlotte.



Here are my guesses. All projects are based on volunteer effort and mostly club/volunteer funds, so these will probably be more accurate than state road construction schedules.

Hornet's Nest Gold - I think enough funds have been raised to add the additional baksets needed. Most fairways have been cut - only cleanup remains. Not sure about funds for concrete tee pads. I would guess completion will be mid summer.

Reedy Creek Stout - new fairways have been cut. Tee pads have been dug for front 9. Today, good strides will be made today for back 9 tee pad holes. Parks & Rec are paying for concrete (14 pads will be added I believe). New pads could be installed as soon as mid/late March! New signage - tbd.

Sugaw Creek. New fairways are probably 60-75% complete. We have lost a little momentum with the IceBowl and such, but folks are hitting it again. My personal goal is for us to have the course playable by April 10 so we can have the inaugural club event there after the Renny Muleskins (http://www.charlottedgc.com/renny_mules_05.htm) wraps up on Sunday 4/10 PM. Parks & Rec have committed to pay for 18 concrete tee pads, but I'm not sure if we'll have those installed by 4/10.

I type all this on a beautiful Saturday when I wish I could be out there working. But, I'm at home with 2 little ones as the wife and oldest are running the b'day party circuit.

MP3,
Thanks so much for this info. It's exactly what I was hoping for. Kudos to all you Charlotte folks who are doing this work!

P.S.- What do you call a person from Charlotte? Seriously... a Charlotter, a Charlottean, a Charlottan?

I'm shocked that Wellspring made your list.

I'll admit that hole seventeen is hands-down one the prettiest disc golf holes I've ever seen in my life. It's a 720 foot downhill par four, with a picturesque pond on the right-hand side. It's an incredibly beautiful hole to both look at and play.

The rest of the course is a pitch-n-putt. While I enjoyed the elevation changes, and all the pretty bridges over the dry stream beds, most of the holes are fairly short drive/putt holes. The worst part is that many play very close to one another, and with the apparent popularity of the course, getting hit by a stray disc is a real danger there. When I played it, there were recreational players spraying shots everywhere. Someone's approach on hole sixteen almost killed me while I was standing on hole fourteen's tee pad.

east of 95 baby

Kinston
Newbern

should be on the toughest and most beautiful list

I'm shocked that Wellspring made your list.

I'll admit that hole seventeen is hands-down one the prettiest disc golf holes I've ever seen in my life. It's a 720 foot downhill par four, with a picturesque pond on the right-hand side. It's an incredibly beautiful hole to both look at and play.

The rest of the course is a pitch-n-putt. While I enjoyed the elevation changes, and all the pretty bridges over the dry stream beds, most of the holes are fairly short drive/putt holes. The worst part is that many play very close to one another, and with the apparent popularity of the course, getting hit by a stray disc is a real danger there. When I played it, there were recreational players spraying shots everywhere. Someone's approach on hole sixteen almost killed me while I was standing on hole fourteen's tee pad.



Jeff,

IMHO Wellspring scores high for several reasons:
1. Course beauty is the most heavily weighted factor and i gave it 9 out of 10. Also, rating each hole 1-10 each hole's beauty 1-10 it scored 135 out of 180, which is very high by my standards.
2. Courses with more than 1 set of tees score higher for the addtional layouts.
3. It's not a long course, but the trees add to the challenge.
4. It has good elevation changes.
5. The creek winding through the course comes into play on 11 holes.
6. I'm a weenie arm, so I don't mind having the potential to score a little better on a shorter course. The long course is much more challenging.

In the many times I've played the course I've never had a problem with any other players' errant shots. I think your experience was a fluke.

BTW, either you have a good memory or you keep a good journal.

east of 95 baby

Kinston
Newbern

should be on the toughest and most beautiful list



My Ratings:

Difficulty
Kinston Long (Blue): Rating 89.9, NC Rank 8th
New Bern Long (BLue): Rating 85.8, NC Rank 17th
New Bern Regular(White): Rating 79.0, NC Rank 27th
Kinston Regular(White): Rating 76.1, NC Rank 31st

Note that each course layout has its own difficulty ranking, so there are more difficulty ratings than there are courses in the state. As I said before, the difficulty rating is in relation to shooting par, NOT to shoot 54. [See the "What is Par?" thread for discussions of the current thinking on par in disc golf.]

Overall Quality Ratings:
New Bern 72.9, NC Rank 21st
Kinston 72.5, NC Rank 22nd

New Bern has some nice hills. Hole 7 has one of the most beautiful putting areas I've ever seen with the trees on the bank of the Neuse River. It is majestic!

In the many times I've played the course I've never had a problem with any other players' errant shots. I think your experience was a fluke.

BTW, either you have a good memory or you keep a good journal.



Well, you've seen my website so it's more the latter.

I'm willing to chalk my experience up as a fluke. I was there on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend, so maybe the course isn't always that crowded, and with so many novice throwers.

On the topic of two sets of tees, I'm usually a big fan of them as well but the alternates at Wellspring don't change much of anything, imo. On most holes there they are usually found within 30 or 40 feet of the regular tee, and most often on the same line of play. When you've got all 250 foot holes, a difference of 30 feet barely changes the disc selection or type of throw. I guess I'm just used to other courses where the alternate tee is usually on the complete opposite side of the fairway, or significantly lengthens the hole, or does something else more interesting to alter the play of each hole.

Sorry Jeff, gotta agree with Lowe on this one. Difficulty is only one of the things he uses in an overall evaluation of a course. Wellspring was in my Top Five courses when I first began playing disc and remains there still. There are a lot tougher courses around, but not many that you leave with that Wellspring kind of feeling......woods, elevation, water, big air, little air, tight air.....just a good "feel" to the place. As Lowe did, I will also have to plead guilty to a little arm. While I enjoy catching Renny in Charlotte or Winthrop in Rock Hill once or twice a year, I could play Wellspring every week. :cool:

Lowe,
Did you get out to Greenville's new course? And if so you saw it in a very early rough stage..check it out again around the time of the tourney in October to see it in its best or come down anytime...and no I do not think it is one of thr toughest courses..just a fun course that the city really needed...

Shortest hole:
1.Hole 6 at Ridgecrest in Black Mountain is 51 ft.




played that course 4 times - aced that hole twice

There's definitely still a challenge to Wellspring; it's the challenge of shooting 46 to beat your opponent's score of 48. Difficulty is all relative.

Sorry, I was just amazed that for someone who has played every single course in North Carolina and hundreds of courses overall that Wellspring made his top five list. To me, it doesn't seem any different or better than virtually any other woods course in North Carolina, or Pennsylvania, or New England, for that matter. I'm a "weenie arm" too and that doesn't make me like Wellspring any more or Renny or Winthrop any less.

To each his own and it's fun that everyone has differing opinions, but I just find it unusual that Wellspring is mentioned in the same breath as Renaissance and Cedarrock, in terms of the best golf courses.

Lowe,
Did you get out to Greenville's new course? And if so you saw it in a very early rough stage..check it out again around the time of the tourney in October to see it in its best or come down anytime...and no I do not think it is one of thr toughest courses..just a fun course that the city really needed...



Scotty,

I played W. Meadowbrook in Dec 2004. It was the very last one in my quest to play all the NC courses, so I celebrated to myself after finishing. I played both the regular and long layouts. The map on the internet is indispensible.

I thought the signature hole 15 from the long tees was the most memorable and hole 10 from the long tees was the most difficult.

There are some nice holes too, and y'all have done a tremendous amount of work. It definitely meets a need to have a course in that area of the state and the local league seems very active.

There's definitely still a challenge to Wellspring; it's the challenge of shooting 46 to beat your opponent's score of 48. Difficulty is all relative.

Sorry, I was just amazed that for someone who has played every single course in North Carolina and hundreds of courses overall that Wellspring made his top five list. To me, it doesn't seem any different or better than virtually any other woods course in North Carolina, or Pennsylvania, or New England, for that matter. I'm a "weenie arm" too and that doesn't make me like Wellspring any more or Renny or Winthrop any less.

To each his own and it's fun that everyone has differing opinions, but I just find it unusual that Wellspring is mentioned in the same breath as Renaissance and Cedarrock, in terms of the best golf courses.



Jeff,

Just a few more thoughts about Wellspring...

-Evaluations are always subjective, so this is just the way I see it.
-I think Wellspring gets extra credit from being right next to Cedarock. With those 2 courses on the same property, that park is the best place to play in NC. At any given time you have 4 layouts to choose from.
-Wellspring has so many holes that are good, so the effect is cumulative.
-In looking over my evaluations there are other contenders: Johnson St in High Point, Zebulon, Hornet's Nest, Richmond Hill in Asheville, Buckhorn in New Hill, Hickory, Castle Hayne in Wilmington... I'm sure there are people that woudl prefer each one of those, but in my estimation none have the total package like Wellspring.
-I'm partial to elevation changes and water, so the hills and creeks of Wellspring rate high for me.

Also, note that this is my rating of NC Courses which is the topic of this thread. This does not include my evaluation of any courses outside of NC. (BTW, I've only played about 130 courses in 15 states.)

hole 10 from the long tees was the most difficult.




easy 2 - hit the gap with a TL

Lowe...Castle Hayne in Wilmington is my home course. I saw that it ranked as your 2nd most difficult. How did it rank overall and what did you like/dislike about it, favorite holes, etc?

Lowe...Castle Hayne in Wilmington is my home course. I saw that it ranked as your 2nd most difficult. How did it rank overall and what did you like/dislike about it, favorite holes, etc?



I gave Castle Hayne an overall rating of 82.3 which makes it 11th in NC. I put Hickory and Valley Springs in Durham just above it, and UNC just below. But I haven't played there since June 2003, so I imagine that y'all have done even more work on the course.

Actually, I'm planning to play the course again this Sat. 2/19, so I'll post more updated info after I've had a chance to run more specific numbers.

-My favorite hole was the 367 ft S shaped hole 4.
-I thought that 8 was the toughest hole with it's demanding 700 ft in S shape.
-I especially liked the S shaped holes and the L shaped 12th was hard too.
-I loved the Chainstar baskets.
-The New Hanover League website is awesome. The online map was especially helpful.
-Your local club seems very active and did an incredible amount of work in a short time to get the course started.

-I didn't like the fact that in June 2003 three of the baskets were removed, but I'm sure that's been corrected.
-I prefer courses with elevation changes, but you have no control over the course being flat. That's what comes with being on the coast.

I try not to say negative things about any course in a public forum because I appreciate the vast amount of work that goes into making any course. I enjoyed being able to have the opportunity to play there. If you want any suggestions about what I think can be improved email me at Lyrh@operamail.com.

Thanks for the info on Castle Hayne & we'll be proud of an 11th place rank with all the great courses in the state. We have done a lot of work since June '03, mostly on tee-pads and irrigation improvements. I hope you enjoy the improved course, get out there early as Saturdays can get crowded in the afternoon. I'll be looking forward to your update.

the Castle is my all time favorite flat course. Like Lowe said, elevation changes add a dimension that I love and that option was not available to you (although on 8, you have milked the small elevation changes for all they're worth).

It is an extremely well designed course, but that design would not be reality and would not be playable/enjoyable without the tremendous amount of work you folks put in transforming a dense briar patch. I'm sure a lot of blood was shed - literally! Thanks!

On a related note, I got a postcard yesterday from Deacon Crouch inviting me back to the Azalea Tournament. That was a very nice touch indeed. I unfortunately will not be able to attend since I am running the Renny Mules (http://www.charlottedgc.com/renny_mules_05.htm) tournaments the following weekend and can't afford that much time away from home.

Thanks for the nice comments Dave & sorry to hear you can't make it this year, you played the course very well last year. I wish we could borrow Stan the Man for a couple of years and plant some new courses here, you guys are really lucky to have such an active club and good leaders.

The course at Toisnot Park in Wilson is dead! I'm in mourning. As is typical, other sports took over the nearby area. The DG course became a drainage swamp.

There are 5-6 forlorn baskets still out there, but no tee pads to be seen. There are a couple of new fairways cut out, but who knows if anything is going to happen out there again.

Does anybody know anything about the future of Toisnot? Maybe they'll redesign it so that you start and end in the same place this time.

Wilson, NC, like 30 minutes from Rocky Mount, small town?
Wow.. I used to live there, right next to hole 9 in the cc... i never knew there was a dg course there! I wish I would have gotten to play it! :( Only courses I ever played were right around Raliegh

That course was one of the worst of more than a dozen that I played on my NC swing three years ago over Memorial Day weekend. Awful man-eating rough off to the side of the fairways, and while hole 18 was memorable, the ridiculous walk from hole 18 back to hole 1 did not justify it.

guess i didn't miss out on anything then

its a shame it went down though,

wilson front nine was hot.

18 was hot

everything else sucked

Just to let everyone know there are two new Courses planned for the sanford area. Parks And Recreation have just told us that we have 20 Acres off of US1 that we can install a course on. We plan on making it a "Championship" course while keeping OT Sloan a more recreational course (instead of modifying it as we had planned). If anyone has any ideas on what they would like to see in this new course your comments are welcome.

Also the Chuckster has just bought some land (I think thirty acres) and will be installing a private course.

The course at Toisnot Park in Wilson is dead! I'm in mourning. As is typical, other sports took over the nearby area. The DG course became a drainage swamp.

There are 5-6 forlorn baskets still out there, but no tee pads to be seen. There are a couple of new fairways cut out, but who knows if anything is going to happen out there again.

Does anybody know anything about the future of Toisnot? Maybe they'll redesign it so that you start and end in the same place this time.



I posted about the death of Toisnot a while ago. They were building a sports complex in the area. While it was up, it didn't seem like the county cared enough to keep it up.

The last I heard(and this was from the bike shop near the course that sold discs) was that they were going to redesign the course once they finish doing all of that construction.

The front 9 was ok. Hole 14 was a good hole and then Hole 18 was great. There were actually 3 pads for hole 18 with the third pad(Pro-Long-800+ ft) being hole 17's teepad.

The newer Rocky Mount course is starting to look really great. They finally cleared out hole 4 before Thanksgiving last year.

PDGA tourny in Sanford in 2006? Maybe...

There is a new course being installed in Cary. There are two other courses in Raleigh being discussed now. Someone also mentioned a rumor about putting a new course in a park that hasn't been developed yet. Plus there are rumors of a course in Southern Pines.

Play Barber Park soon if you haven't yet. That course will be changed soon.

Rave reviews of Yadkinville from everyone I've talked to.

sanford will have a pdga at OT the second weekend in may

Although Not 100% confirmed we are hopeing to have a C-teir the weekend after the Pro Crosstown. As Soon as we get 100% confirmation I will post it, along with other info. Keep your fingers crossed!

Mother's Day weekend...hmm, I probably won't be playing that one, especially since I now have both a mother and a mother-in-law.

wilson is not dead. I went to the course yesterday and talked to parks and rec guys. they told me that someone was working on redesigning the course. I walked around to see for myself and found it to be true. I also found out who to contact about the course restoration. call Kent Montgomery@ 399-2262. the more calls he receives the quicker the course will be playable.

Is the area code in Wilson 225?

252 area code

thank's ScoTTy. i guess i wasn't thinking to well. just excited that the course will still be around. i walked around in the woods where redesign is taking place and it was weTT (standing water) everywhere.

There was standing water on that course when it was the old configuration...

The bugs drove me crazy out there.

wilson threerivers?

You can also email Kent Montgomery at kmontgomery@wilsonnc.org

Any idea if they're going to have hole 18 end closer to hole 1 this time? and any news on when the new course might be installed?

Hey - We have been in contact off and on with Kent as they complete the sports complex and redefine the wetlands at Toisnot Park. When these items are completed, we should be able to completely redesign the course. One of the top priorities would be to reroute the back 9 such that the finish is closer to the start.

I am eager to design again down east. Y'all let me know if you have any suggestions or concerns.

Take care,
Harold

Harold,

Thanks for the update on Toisnot. It's great to hear from someone who's an authoritative source.

Lowe

Lowe...I'm eager to hear any new comments on Castle Hayne Park, did you get to play it again last weekend?

Lowe...I'm eager to hear any new comments on Castle Hayne Park, did you get to play it again last weekend?



Mulch,

Unortunately my wife was sick that weekend, so I wasn't able to go. :( I hope to get down there in the near future. I'll try to give you some feedback after I play the course again. Since May 2004 I've been using an Excel spreadsheet that I developed to give numerical ratings to each hole in 12 categories. I then plug these numbers into an Access database. I look forward to running the numbers on Castle Hayne and seeing how it comes out. I'll let you know.

There's a new course in Wilmington called Inland Greens.

Here is some info from another thread:

Inland Greens
Pay to play

Inland Greens golf course has opened their doors and fairways to disc golf and ready for disc to start flying. Inland Greens is an 18-hole �ball� golf course situated in a mid-size housing community but open to the public. For now the disc golf course plays the front 9-holes of the existing golf course, but if there is a positive response they will most likely allow me to set up all 18 holes! The course is outfitted with Discatcher Pro baskets and will have grass tees for now with Launch Pad rubber tee pads to come. We don�t have the �official� measurements yet, but the course will play about 3200�+ for the front nine. Water is featured on every hole!
Greens fees will be $4.00 for 9 holes and $6.00 for 18 holes or $10 to play all day. In addition we are putting together an introductory 6 month �play all you want� for $75 dollars. The 6-month pass will also include 2 custom stamped Inland Greens Innova discs. The discs have not been stamped yet but should be available soon. I will add the course to the PDGA course directory soon!

Directions: Inland Greens is located at 5945 Inland Greens Dr. in Wilmington, NC. To find the course take Market Street to Cardinal Drive (turn at the Volvo car dealership) go down Cardinal about � mile and turn left on Inland Greens Dr. Stay to the left and park at the small club house.

Contact:
Inland Greens: 910-452-9900
Pat Farrell, 864-270-3723

Anybody know anything about a new 9 hole course in marion. outside of ashville?

http://www.inlandgreens.com/

Today I had the pleasure of playing Castle Hayne in Wilmington again. WOW! They've done an amazing amount of work on that course!! It's looking great. The course is in first class condition and the local crew is still working really hard to get ready for the Azalea tournament. The pear trees are blooming and it's beautiful. With this gorgeous weather this may be the best time of year to play the course. If you want to play one of the top 10 courses in NC when it's at its best then by all means go to the Azalea tournament!

It's going to take me while to get all the data entered to officially update my course evaluation, so stay tuned for more info on a GREAT course...

I just played the Inland Greens course in Wilmington, so once again I've now played every public and private course in NC! Playing on a ball golf course is a unique experience in NC. How nice it is to walk down those manicured grass fairways! Since it's on a shorter "Executive course" you can reach the BG green on most holes which is kind of cool. There's a nice use of water too. Hole 8 from the long tees was my favorite. For us shorter throwers there's huge Risc vs. Reward trying to decide whether to drive over the water.

The course pro said that if there's enough interest in DG to make it sustainable then they'll put in a back 9 too, so go on out and play it if you can.

I'm redoing the way I make some key course evaluations like my method for par and course difficulty. It'll be a little while until I get my evaluation written for this course, but when I do I'll post more details. So stay tuned...

Here's more analysis of Castle Hayne:

The last row, "Hole Difficulty" gives a number from 1 to 18 handicapping which holes are the hardest by comparing their score average to par. This answers the question "How hard is it to shoot par?" (Of course disc golf does not yey have any universally agreed upon standards for par, but that's a minor detail that will be resolved someday.) 1 is the hardest and 18 is the easiest. Hole 3 is the hardest because the adjusted socring average from the 05 Azalea tournament had the highest scores (and the DGCD Hole Forecaster tool predicted the same thing). Hole 12 is the easiest because it's average is the most below par. Before looking at the numbers I would have predicted these results. There were some surprises that seem to go against experience, but numbers don't lie.

<table border="1"><tr><td>estimated Blue score</td><td>2.85</td><td>2.71</td><td>3.48</td><td>4.02</td><td>3.04</td><td>3.28</td><td>3.85</td><td>4.98</td><td>2.69</td><td>30.9</td><td>3.69</td><td>4.15</td><td>4.58</td><td>2.96</td><td>3.15</td><td>4.08</td><td>2.99</td><td>3.92</td><td>3.26</td><td>32.8</td><td>63.7
</td></tr><tr><td>Par: Blue</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>31</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>33</td><td>64
</td></tr><tr><td>Est. score - Par</td><td>-.15</td><td>-.29</td><td>+.48</td><td>+.02</td><td>+.04</td><td>+.28</td><td>-.15</td><td>-.02</td><td>-.31</td><td>-.11</td><td>-.31</td><td>+.15</td><td>-.42</td><td>-.04</td><td>+.15</td><td>+.08</td><td>-.01</td><td>-.08</td><td>+.26</td><td>-.22</td><td>-.33
</td></tr><tr><td>Hole Difficulty</td><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>1</td><td>8</td><td>7</td><td>2</td><td>13</td><td>10</td><td>17</td><td>16</td><td>4</td><td>18</td><td>11</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>9</td><td>12</td><td>3</td><td>---
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

� Hole 3 is almost hard enough to be a par 4, and hole 12 is almost easy enough to be a par 4 instead of a par 5.
� The difficulty relative to par of holes 6, 18, 14, 5 surprised me. Without the data I would not have placed them as so difficult.
� The relative lower amount of difficulty relative to par on holes 10, 7, 17, 13 also surprised me. They seemed to play harder than the numbers indicated.

A question was raised previously: With an SSA of 58 the course record should be at least 53, but the current tournament record is only 56. Why is the course record only 2 throws below the SSA?

Here are some possible answers:
a. The non-tournament course record is 53 by Brian Schweberger (PR 1017 in Feb 05). Since the Azalea Tournament is only a C tier the field is not as strong with �super pros� as an A tier or NT event. If more of the very top tier of players competed then the course record would probably be lower. A 53 has been carded, so it is certainly within the realm of possibility during tournament play. A 52 has even been reported. JJ�s 56 in 2005 included 1 double bogey and 1 bogey so a flawless round for him would have been 53.
b. At the 2005 Azalea Tournament the SSA was ~58.9. At SSA of 58.9 a round of 53 would rated 1048, and a round of 52 would be rated 1056. (At SSA 58.9 each throw is worth about 8 rating points.) These are easily within the range of the top rated rounds that have been played.
c. The narrow, curving, tree lined fairways probably make scores below 56 harder to do.

I have to agree with Chuck K. that a tournament 53, and maybe even a 52, will probably happen some day. Think of it this way, if the USDGC record is 56 on that par 68 course then a 53 at Castle Hayne is not at all unreasonable. The biggest difference is that the USDGC has such a higher percentage of "super pros" with the highest RPs.

...Stay tuned, because I've still got more to say about Castle Hayne, but I've run out of time right now...

Scott, can you use the area across the street? A little more length on the front would be nice. Maybe change up 16 a bit. You could move 11's basket to the other side of the open field and that would relieve some of the cluster in that area (17 tee area). Would probably make 11 a little tougher too.

I'm talking about the Jacksonville course. I didn't realize I was reading the first page of this thread when I posted.

Mike,
Right now I am not able to use the land across the street. I am working on that though. Maybe one day. Hope you can make it down to oen of our doubles this year. Tuesday nights!
Scott

Today I had the pleasure of playing Castle Hayne in Wilmington again. WOW! They've done an amazing amount of work on that course!! It's looking great. The course is in first class condition and the local crew is still working really hard to get ready for the Azalea tournament. The pear trees are blooming and it's beautiful. With this gorgeous weather this may be the best time of year to play the course. If you want to play one of the top 10 courses in NC when it's at its best then by all means go to the Azalea tournament!




Rory and I have recently set up a rough set of alternate
"short" pads at Castle Hayne. Just ground level flags for now with hopes of more permanent pads later. Come and try them out and offer your thoughts. I think its still a challenging setup just not as "Pain"ful as the longs. Here's a brief description, with some estimated lengths.

#1 - Other side of gazebo near the grills, @220ft anhyzer.
#2 - No alt pad yet.
#3 - 1/3 of way down fairway on the left, @250ft tunnel shot.
#4 - Go down transition toward #4 fairway, @250ft S-curve.
#5 - 1/3 way up, left side of fairway, @200ft anhyzer.
#6 - Right side of fairway at start of turn, @300ft hyzer.
#7 - 1/3 way down fairway, flags on left & right side, @310ft.
#8 - Left side of fairway at the landing zone, @450ft turnover.
#9 - Walk across original pad toward softball field, turn right and flags are along fenceline, @200ft open.
#10 - Right side of fairway at the turn, @320ft tunnel/turnover.
#11 - Flags visible as you cross street on right side of tree cluster, @350ft open to tunnel.
#12 - Landing zone, look left in rough, @270ft tunnel.
#13 - No alt pad yet.
#14 - As you exit the woods from #13, walk left toward small parking area. Flags are on grass island, @230ft hyzer.
#15 - Landing zone, walk left toward gazebo, @400ft turnover.
#16 - 1/3 way down fairway on the right, @200ft optional.
#17 - 1/3 way down fairway on the left, @300ft tunnel/hyzer.
#18 - Turn left at opening, flags along outfield fence, @320ft.

Rory and I have recently set up a rough set of alternate "short" pads at Castle Hayne. Just ground level flags for now with hopes of more permanent pads later. Come and try them out and offer your thoughts. I think its still a challenging setup just not as "Pain"ful as the longs.



Awesome!!

I can't wait to get back there.

Bummer! I just noticed that the formatting of the first chart I posted with hole difficulty got messed up because of a blank cell on the bottom row. I'll post it again now with a new and improved version:

<table border="1"><tr><td>Hole</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>x</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>16</td><td>17</td><td>18</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>estimated SSA</td><td>2.59</td><td>2.46</td><td>3.16</td><td>3.65</td><td>2.76</td><td>2.98</td><td>3.5</td><td>4.52</td><td>2.45</td><td>28.1</td><td>3.36</td><td>3.77</td><td>4.17</td><td>2.69</td><td>2.86</td><td>3.71</td><td>2.72</td><td>3.56</td><td>2.96</td><td>29.8</td><td>57.9
</td></tr><tr><td>Final Effective Length</td><td>264</td><td>227</td><td>426</td><td>567</td><td>312</td><td>374</td><td>522</td><td>814</td><td>222</td><td>3728</td><td>481</td><td>600</td><td>713</td><td>293</td><td>340</td><td>582</td><td>301</td><td>540</td><td>369</td><td>4218</td><td>7946
</td></tr><tr><td>Par: Gold</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>31</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>32</td><td>63
</td></tr><tr><td>WCP</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>2</td><td>29</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>31</td><td>60
</td></tr><tr><td>BG Par: Gold</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>33</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>34</td><td>67
</td></tr><tr><td><font color="blue"> Blue Score Avg. (BSA) </font></td><td>2.85</td><td>2.71</td><td>3.48</td><td>4.02</td><td>3.04</td><td>3.28</td><td>3.85</td><td>4.98</td><td>2.69</td><td>30.9</td><td>3.69</td><td>4.15</td><td>4.58</td><td>2.96</td><td>3.15</td><td>4.08</td><td>2.99</td><td>3.92</td><td>3.26</td><td>32.8</td><td>63.7
</td></tr><tr><td>Par: Blue</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>31</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>33</td><td>64
</td></tr><tr><td>Est. score - Par</td><td>-.15</td><td>-.29</td><td>+.48</td><td>+.02</td><td>+.04</td><td>+.28</td><td>-.15</td><td>-.02</td><td>-.31</td><td>-.11</td><td>-.31</td><td>+.15</td><td>-.42</td><td>-.04</td><td>+.15</td><td>+.08</td><td>-.01</td><td>-.08</td><td>+.26</td><td>-.22</td><td>-.33
</td></tr><tr><td>Hole Difficulty</td><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>1</td><td>8</td><td>7</td><td>2</td><td>13</td><td>10</td><td>17</td><td>x</td><td>16</td><td>4</td><td>18</td><td>11</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>9</td><td>12</td><td>3</td><td>x</td><td>x
</td></tr><tr><td>White Score Avg. (WSA)</td><td>3.1</td><td>3.0</td><td>3.8</td><td>4.4</td><td>3.3</td><td>3.6</td><td>4.2</td><td>5.5</td><td>3.0</td><td>34.0</td><td>4.1</td><td>4.6</td><td>5.0</td><td>3.3</td><td>3.5</td><td>4.5</td><td>3.3</td><td>4.3</td><td>3.6</td><td>36.1</td><td>70.0
</td></tr><tr><td><font color="red"> Red Score Avg. (RSA) </font> </td><td>3.37</td><td>3.2</td><td>4.11</td><td>4.75</td><td>3.59</td><td>3.87</td><td>4.55</td><td>5.88</td><td>3.18</td><td>36.5</td><td>4.36</td><td>4.9</td><td>5.42</td><td>3.5</td><td>3.72</td><td>4.82</td><td>3.54</td><td>4.63</td><td>3.85</td><td>38.7</td><td>75.2
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Here's more analysis of Castle Hayne:

1) Course Level: Blue. It is best suited to players with ratings 924-963.
2) SSA: ~58.9
3) Blue Par: 64. This is an accurate number for a Blue level course with an SSA of 58.
4) I gave the course an Overall Rating of 85.0 which places it as the 6th best in NC and 14th overall out of the 135+ courses I�ve played. The main factors decreasing the rating were the lack of elevation changes (which obviously can�t be controlled) and having only one set of tee pads.
5) I consider this to be the best flat course in NC.
6) A number of factors have converged to make a great course. There�s strong leadership, a challenging Harold Duvall design, committed volunteers who do lots of course improvement work, a dedicated Parks and Rec department that supplied machinery and manpower and helps with the ongoing maintenance, funding for improvements, school kids and Boy Scouts that do enhancing projects, and an excellent website.
7) It is a pleasure to play a Blue level course even though I�m a low power White level player. Hopefully, the many multiple shot holes on this course will encourage others to make more holes of this caliber. Personally, I think that disc golf should aim for a standard course par, and in my world par 68 works pretty well. (That would be eight par 3s, six par 4s, and four par 5s.)
8) The mental challenge is one of the best parts of the course. On one hand, since it�s so long you�re tempted to try and rip long drives to get as far as you can, but on the other hand with the narrow wooded fairways you�ll score better by throttling back, concentrating on accuracy, and getting your disc in the fairway. Having the self control to restrain yourself so that you stay in the fairway is a real test.
9) The variety of fairways curving left, right, �S� and �L� demand a variety of shots.
10) The Harold Duvall signature �S� and �L� shaped holes add variety.
11) Many of the fairways are pretty tight, but not unreasonably so. All holes have well defined routes to the basket.
12) There are no bad holes on the course, and many are really good. On a scale of 1-10 I gave 8 holes an Overall Quality rating of 7 or higher. (Holes 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 15.) This is especially good for a flat course.
13) The local crew has done a ton of work in the last several years.
14) Hole 8- I was told that previously Hole 8 had only been eagled (score of 3) two times. In the 2005 Azalea Tournament it was eagled (3ed) at least 18 times. Wasn�t the tee changed because of the heavy rain in round 1? Did the new tee placement make the hole easier than normal?
15) Holes 14 and 18 showed low score variance, so they might be candidates for adjustment to spread the scores more for Blue level players.
16) Difficulty means "how hard is it to shoot par?" My difficulty rating system is currently being revised, so at this time I can�t comment on the difficulty of Castle Hayne compared to other NC courses. Players will certainly shoot higher scores here since it is a Blue level course, but that doesn�t necessarily mean that it is harder to shoot par. Currently disc golf faces a huge problem of �portability error�, so it is hard to gauge the difficulty of CH since you'll score higher on a Blue par 64 course. In addition, disc golf also faces the daunting problem of even agreeing on universal standards for par. Until that question is satisfactorily answered the question of "how hard is it to shoot par?" cannot be answered either.
17) Late March is probably the best time of the year to play the course because the hard working local crew gets it in immaculate condition for the Azalea Tournament held in early April.

Suggestions:
These are easy for me to make because I don�t have to pay for them or do the work ;>)
1) Add shorter tees- according to White and Red design standards.
2) (This is really a small and relatively minor suggestion.) Hole 14 may have been my least favorite hole. I thought that the placement of the L bend, with only a short distance to the basket from the bend made it overly punitive of less than perfect shots. It might be a little more fair to take out a few more trees to make an anhyzer into the basket more possible. For my taste there shouldn�t be more than one �L Bend� hole on a course because the novelty wears thin. (I really only mentioned this just so that I�d have another suggestion to make.)

Addendum: Even before I could get this posted the shorter tees have already been started. You guys are on top of things down there!

Here's a lot of information from my Course Guide for NC Courses (availabla at "Disc Golf Resources"):

Course Information:
6737 ft.
Course Level: Blue
Par 64
SSA = 57.4 to 59.3

Directions: From Wilmington: I-40 West, take the Gordon Road Exit (420B) and go north on Hwy 132 (College Rd) 3.5 miles to a left on Parmele Rd., then left on Old Ave. Enter the park and veer right. Hole #1 is in center of loop near gazebo.
From the west: I-40 East. Take the Castle Hayne exit (414). Turn left onto Holly Shelter Rd. Turn left onto Hwy 117/133, then veer to the left onto College Rd (Hwy 132). Turn right on Parmele Rd., then left on Old Ave.

Contact: Mike Bozik
Home: (910) 793-1352
http://newhanoverdiscgolf.tripod.com
Email: mikebozik@hotmail.com or bozikmaster@aol.com or mikegdc@earthlink.net

Description: Mostly wooded but not too tight. Fairways have adequate landing areas. Many blind tee shots.

Course Non-tournament record: 53 by Brian Schweberger, 11/04
Course Tournament record: 56 by Chris Lee at the 2004 Azalea Tournament; 56 by Justin Jernigan at the 2005 Azalea Tournament

Reviews:
� Being a mostly wooded course, it's not unreasonably "tight." There are a variety of shots left, right, �S�, and �L�. Many tee shots are blind so judging distances is crucial. Landing zones are enlarged to allow the player a good chance of making a respectable series of shots to the green. Course management and restraint are the best strategy. Consistency in your moderately long range drives (200-300ft) is essential if you want to par, with touch shots to the green for the best putt. The more daring may be rewarded with an eagle on a few holes.
� �It�s a pleasure to have the challenge of a Blue Level course with par 64. This is one of the top 10 courses in NC; I currently rate it as 6th best overall in NC. It is certainly the best flat course in the state. A convergence of factors have resulted in a great course. There�s strong hard working leadership, a challenging Harold Duvall design, committed volunteers who do lots of course improvement work, a dedicated Parks and Rec department that supplied machinery and manpower and helps with the ongoing maintenance, funding for improvements, school kids and Boy Scouts that do enhancing projects, and an excellent website. The variety of fairways curving left, right, �S� and �L� demand a variety of shots. Since the course is long and has 8 holes of par 4 and 5, you�re tempted to try and rip long drives, but with the narrow wooded fairways you�ll score better by throttling back and getting your disc in the fairway. This mental tension between part of your brain urging you to throw hard to get the length you need and another part of your mind telling you to have the self control to achieve accuracy is one of the great features of the course. Late March is probably the best time of the year to play the course because the hard working local crew gets it in immaculate condition for the Azalea Tournament held in early April.� -Lowe Bibby, April 2005
� �Any round in the 50's is very hot.� Kirk Yoo, 4/03

Hole descriptions: (from the Club website)

1) 252 ft. �Trask Burn.� This is a slight hook to the hyzer with a nice size path through the wooded area. A good drive
will set you up with a decent birdie shot.
2) 207 ft. �Atom Bomb.� This is a very short 90� hyzer. A tight hook will put you in position for a tap in birdie. Probably the easiest birdie on the course.
3) 374 ft. �Deer Trail.� This is hole is as straight as it can be with plenty of mother nature in your way. If you can keep it straight you're in for a par, not many birdies on this one. Any deviations along the way make it very difficult to pull out even on this hole.
4) 367 ft. This is an "S" curve right off the tee box! If you can lay up an anhyzer into the middle of the fairway then after the curve it's a short approach hyzer. The trick is the DRIVE, and be careful -- the basket is on an incline with trouble directly behind it.
5) 283 ft. �Bent Elbow.� This is a short and sweet hole. There is a 90� anhyzer off the tee pad with a small fairway to the basket. A makeable par, and a birdie is not out of the question with a good drive.
6) 341 ft. A nice gradual hyzer off the tee pad with the basket placed just to the left after a short fairway. A par is almost a gimmee if your drive comes off decent. I have seen a lot of birdies if you can get your drive just right. But beware -- neither the left nor the right side of the fairway are forgiving!
7) 419 ft. �Bad Clown.� This hole is straight off the tee pad with a gentle anhyzer at the end to the basket. The basket position is just up on the right. No secrets to this hole other than� stay out of the woods no matter how tempting they are.
8) 700 ft, Par 5. �Switchback� This S fairway is by far the longest hole on the course. It starts out with a gentle hyzer off the tee pad. Then a straight fairway with trees on your right. It then bends back to the right to the basket. The trick to this one is be consistent. Consistency will give a shot at a par. This hole can turn a par into a double bogey in a heartbeat.
9) 210 ft. �Reverse� Just a short hole to end the front nine. A nice little anhyzer to the right and out of the woods to basket. A birdie is not too difficult and a par is pretty common.
10) After warming up on the front nine, you should now be ready for the real test. The best you can do here is a long, left-fading drive that will skip you into the pocket-shaped landing zone on the left. From there, it�s a basic up-and-down. If you miss the drive, or throw short, you will have a touch shot that needs to go straight and bleed right at the end.
11) Welcome to the first of three holes respectfully referred to as "Amen Corner." This isolated parcel contains one each of the three varieties of golfing fun - a par 4, 5 and 3. As is characteristic with all of the back nine, placement becomes the name of the game. One must play strategically, there is no alternative. Drive a right-turn to the blind landing zone to set up a left-turn approach down Climo�s Alley. If you execute to here, guess what? You�re still not home because the green is mottled with many trees. A birdie three is outstanding.
12) �Railroad Hole� is the short par-5, but not necessarily the easiest. Eagles are found here more often than on hole #8, to be sure. However, the penalty for missing any shot is severe, as a deep and wide gully defines the left side of the fairway and the forest to the right is impenetrable. The thumber is statistically the safest shot to the 90 degree turn that defines the landing area. Once there, a heroic shot to the pin will yield a look at eagle. If fate is on your side, you may get to enjoy the train that frequently runs the tracks on the other side of the gully.
13) There are no gimmee deuces on this course. And �Mindbender� provides all the proof you need. It is a double-curving shot, if you wish to card a tweeter. Or, just make it through the gap for a par 3. A three here is often one stroke up on the field. If you make it through the final test of the "Corner" at even par or better, pat yourself on the back because you�ve done something special. Amen.
14) If ever a hole were a par 3-1/2, this is it. �Tweener� is a classic placement hole disguised as a par 3. It is deuceable, provided you don�t go O.B. or get behind the wall of trees at the far end. It doglegs 90 degrees right and the pin is guarded by the typical lone pine.
15) �Horse Shoe� is currently in its par 4 pin position. A recently widened fairway gives the golfer more than a good chance to place a drive at or just around the 90 degree right turn. Bombers will go to the high anhyzer shape for a look at 3. But be careful, the corner is farther up than it seems and a slightly short drive will end up deep in the jungle thickets.
16) �Castle� may be the most technical par 3 on the course, and a chance for the short gamers to get one back on the bombers. It is typical of many North Carolina wooded fairways- straight and narrow with a fluke tree at the far end splitting the chute. You want to miss that tree to the right for a chance at birdie. As in chess, you may chose to �castle� your tee shot and shift to the newly opened right side- a tighter, hyzer fairway for those who need options. Throw smooth and low and your birdie will certainly feel like a
checkmate.
17) �Temptress� is unique in that it is the only par 4 on the course with a basket that is visible from the tee. The slightly narrower left route offers the possibility of a long anhyzer for righties. The drive is straightforward, but the second shot is brutal due to the sporadic tree placement. Even a good drive can leave a scary approach. Aggressive play here can cause a meltdown so stay patient and take your par with a smile.
18) �Apple Pie� is the only "open" hole on the course. There are no trees on the fairway but, there is a shortish and wide chute to navigate initially. Once out there, the disc has plenty of room to work from left to right. This is a wonderful finishing hole due to the baseball field O.B. along the left side and the disc-eating schule to the right. Many tournaments have been lost on this hole. Many minds have been lost on this hole. Now go back to #1 and do it all again.

Azalea Tournament 2005- Rounds in the 50s:
18 rounds out of 350 total rounds

<table border="1"><tr><td>Player</td><td>PlayerRating</td><td>Round</td><td>Score
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>1002</td><td>2</td><td>56
</td></tr><tr><td>Walt Haney</td><td>1019</td><td>3</td><td>57
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason Land</td><td>995</td><td>1</td><td>57
</td></tr><tr><td>Mike Hofmann</td><td>988</td><td>3</td><td>57
</td></tr><tr><td>Mitch Sonderfan</td><td>988</td><td>4</td><td>57
</td></tr><tr><td>Kirk Yoo</td><td>970</td><td>3</td><td>57
</td></tr><tr><td>Walt Haney</td><td>1019</td><td>2</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>1002</td><td>4</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Greg Williams</td><td>1001</td><td>4</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Billy Crump</td><td>972</td><td>2</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Stephen Johnson</td><td>970</td><td>3</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Jeb Bryant</td><td>919</td><td>4</td><td>58
</td></tr><tr><td>Walt Haney</td><td>1019</td><td>4</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td>Justin Jernigan</td><td>1002</td><td>1</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td>Mitch Sonderfan</td><td>988</td><td>2</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td>Nate Bond</td><td>970</td><td>3</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td>Jeff Cahill</td><td>957</td><td>4</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td>Rory Joyce</td><td>x</td><td>2</td><td>59
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Justin Jernigan�s record, Round 2, 4/2/05

<table border="1"><tr><td> Hole</td><td>1</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>6</td><td>7</td><td>8</td><td>9</td><td>Front</td><td>10</td><td>11</td><td>12</td><td>13</td><td>14</td><td>15</td><td>16</td><td>17</td><td>18</td><td>Back</td><td>Total
</td></tr><tr><td>Par</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>31</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>5</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>33</td><td>64
</td></tr><tr><td>JJ</td><td>2</td><td>2</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>3</td><td>25</td><td>3</td><td>6</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>4</td><td>3</td><td>2</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>31</td><td>56
</td></tr><tr><td>+/-</td><td>-1</td><td>-1</td><td>.</td><td>-1</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>-1</td><td>-2</td><td>.</td><td>.</td><td>-1</td><td>+2</td><td>-1</td><td>.</td><td>+1</td><td>-1</td><td>-1</td><td>.</td><td>-1</td><td>.</td><td>.
</td></tr><tr><td>Total</td><td>-1</td><td>-2</td><td>-2</td><td>-3</td><td>-3</td><td>-3</td><td>-4</td><td>-6</td><td>-6</td><td>.</td><td>-7</td><td>-5</td><td>-6</td><td>-6</td><td>-5</td><td>-6</td><td>-7</td><td>-7</td><td>-8</td><td>.</td><td>-8
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

For those who really like details read on. For those who don't just skip this. Here's more than you'd ever want to know about each hole at Castle Hayne. I venture to say that it may even be more than the locals have documented.

Castle Hayne Rating and Trouble Factors:

Overall: There was a controlled burn by the Parks Dept that really helped clear out undergrowth and ticks.

Holes:
1. Width- 25 ft corridor among scattered trees
Throw control- righty hyzer is the usual route

2. Sharp tree lined RHBH hyzer
width- 25 ft in sharp left corridor
green- pine straw and dirt

3. width- pinch point 15�, 95% of the fairway is 25�

4. Fairway- anhyzer drive then straight for S shape
width- narrow of 12 ft on drive for first 20% of the hole, then opens then narrows again
green- guarded on left by trees forces approach from right; downslope

5. Tee- lots of work to build this
width- starts wide and narrows to 25 ft then 10�. Sharp anhyzer
Green- packed down pine needles guarded by trees

6. Green- wood chips
topography- some gentle side slopes on the fairway
Lots of work to build the drainage system near the green

7. width- narrowest 5� at 40� from the tee. Widens to 50� or more.
Green- slight downhill and sharp bend to right, guarded by trees

8. Long S shape.
Fairway about 50 ft. wide.

9. Sharp narrow tree lined RHBH anhyzer

10. width: 25� , 40�, 30�
skip- pine needles on packed dirt
green- pine straw

11. S fairway

12. fairway- L bend
Forced lay-up at 200. Trouble - if your drive goes too far there are trees and a creek bed down a hill.
Width- after the bend 15-20 ft.
Green- around the corner at the end of the fairway. Guarded on right by trees
Green- pine straw

13. width- it pinches to 10 ft. about 80 ft. from the basket, otherwise it�s 40 ft.
Fairway- small S that bends left off the drive then slightly back right. There�s a small stream 70ft. from the basket.

14. width- 25-50 ft.
fairway- small L
Forced lay-up at 260 ft. from tee. Basket is 85 ft. from bend of L
fairway - pine straw, wood chip mulch on final 80 ft.
Green- wood chips

15. Width- starts at 15 ft. and widens to 30� then to 12�
Fairway- wood chips
Green- open

16. width- narrow. 10-12 ft. corridor all the way to the basket
Green- guarded by trees. Some roots, pine straw

17. width- 25 � 30 � 60. Trees all the way to the basket.
Green- pine straw

18. OB- Ball field fence on the left, but it doesn�t come into play too much.
width- starts at 40 ft. for first 80 ft. then widens to grass at 100�, and narrows again at the green.
Rollability- you could use a roller, but it�s short enough that you wouldn�t use it
Green- pine straw.

That's all I've got folks. I hope you enjoyed the tour. But I know I enjoyed playing the course far more. Make sure to stop by and play it if you ever get the chance.

P.S.- If you ever see a geek walking around your course with a clipboard, that'd be me.

That's all I've got folks. I hope you enjoyed the tour. But I know I enjoyed playing the course far more. Make sure to stop by and play it if you ever get the chance.




Thank you Lowe very much for the kind comments and the extremely thorough analysis of the course. I enjoyed reading it and think its a great tool for players to use.

Also, Hole 8 was played from a shorter tee pad on Saturday at the 2005 Azalea Tourny due to the rain, hence the eagles.
You are not alone in naming Hole 14 as your least favorite, we have some ideas to improve it with the parks help.
And I hope you like the "short" setup. They're still very raw so give us time before you analyze them.
Thanks,
John Moncrief
#21433

I think Rory might hold the unofficial record at Castle Hayne. I remember him shooting a 52 the friday before the Azalea. Someone was with him too.

I played Castle Hayne a few times last summer. The first nine holes were satisfactory; although a couple holes were so long they seemed borderline silly. However, after that front nine, I got the impression that whoever designed the course just sort of quit halfway through the job. The back nine were in complete disarray and half the holes at the end were submerged in water. I haven't been back down there this summer, but I'm certainly hoping it has improved.

Hi Lowe,

I've been studying the package you sent and want to thank you for all the hard work, and good advice. We want to improve every year and your work will be of great help. I have some ideas for you, about course critieria, and would certainly like to hear your opinions. I will email them to you shortly.

Thanks again,
Boz

I played Castle Hayne a few times last summer. The first nine holes were satisfactory; although a couple holes were so long they seemed borderline silly. However, after that front nine, I got the impression that whoever designed the course just sort of quit halfway through the job. The back nine were in complete disarray and half the holes at the end were submerged in water. I haven't been back down there this summer, but I'm certainly hoping it has improved.



This is too bogus to even take the time to refute. Please see notes above.

Hi Lowe,

I've been studying the package you sent and want to thank you for all the hard work, and good advice. We want to improve every year and your work will be of great help. I have some ideas for you, about course critieria, and would certainly like to hear your opinions. I will email them to you shortly.

Thanks again,
Boz



Thanks Mike. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Email is by far the best way to reach me. I don't get on this board as much anymore.

Lowe

Please come to Wrightsville Beach, NC on Aug 20-21 for the 9th Annual East Coast Wahine Championships. This is ALL-FEMALE surf contest held at Crystal Pier. Play The Castle in the morning, then watch the girls surf all afternoon. It's free with a lot of surf related company giveaways. Thanks to Paula Bushardt and Anne Beasley for their contribution to the New Hanover Disc Club.

http://www.eastcoastwahines.com/

http://www.eastcoastwahines.com/discclub.asp

Does anyone have any updates on the status of the installation of this new course in Apex? Who is the designer?

Here's the info I've got on it so far:

North East Creek / Nature Park

A new park that is being built, and they�ve allocated $25,000 for a Recreational DG course.
Rocky Olive at Apex Parks and Rec is working on it. (Jan 05)

Directions: coming from downtown Apex go south on S. Salem St. then turn right onto Apex Barbecue Rd. toward the Hollands Crossing subdivision.

Contact: Jeff Kozak of Morrisville posted info. Jeffjkozak@hotmail.com

Is there a disc tourney or anything that weekend @ the Castle or anywhere near there?

Does anyone have any information about a new course in Cabarrus County NC?

Here's all I've heard:
North Cabarrus Park
A new 9 holer being proposed in Cabarrus County

Does anyone have an update on the progress of the new course in Cary (or is it Apex?) at Middle Creek Park? Who is the course designer?

Here's the only info I've got:

Next to Middle Creek HS.

Directions: Off Optimist Farm Rd. From the East get on Optimist Farm Rd. toward Apex (west). Pass West Lake Rd. Turn right at the sign for the park. Some of the holes are at Middle Creek HS.

Does anyone have any information about a new course in Davidson NC?

All I've heard is that it is proposed for Fisher Farm Park.

Does anyone have an update on the new course in Elizabeth City NC? They had to move the 9 holes that they had and were planning to expand to 18 holes.

Here's some info:

Elizabeth City
Fun Junktion Park

Park Hours:
Memorial Day - Labor Day: Mon - Sun 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Labor Day - Daylight Savings Time: 10:00 am - 7:00 pm
Winter Hours (Daylight Savings Time- Memorial Day) : 10:00 am - 5:00 pm

Directions:
In Pasquatank County
64 East. � 17 East past Hertford. Right on Simpson Ditch Rd. Right on Landfill Rd. to Fun Junktion.

Description: They have 18 baskets and 9 were installed, but the course has to be relocated and redesigned. Governmental red tape is slowing up the process. It may be installed in 2005, but the whole project is very uncertain. The original course was designed by Innova, but it is now unplayable.

Contact:
Jeff Simpson, Parks Director
983 Simpson Ditch Road
PO Box 39
Elizabeth City, NC 27907-0039
Tel: 252-337-6600
Cell: 252-339-7933
Email: simpsonj@co.pasquotank.nc.us

http://www.co.pasquotank.nc.us/departments/park/fun_junktion_educational_and_rec.htm
Elizabeth City Area Chamber of Commerce <ecacc@datalinkc.com>, Tel: 252-335-4365, www.albemarleedc.com (http://www.albemarleedc.com), www.elizabethcitymag.com (http://www.elizabethcitymag.com)

I believe the 9 hole course off Exit 28 on 77 went in yesterday morning. In Cornelius.

I believe the 9 hole course off Exit 28 on 77 went in yesterday morning. In Cornelius.



Does anyone have any more information such as more detailed directions to the course and any contact info?

Does anyone have any updates on the status of the installation of this new course in Apex? Who is the designer?

Here's the info I've got on it so far:

North East Creek / Nature Park

A new park that is being built, and they�ve allocated $25,000 for a Recreational DG course.
Rocky Olive at Apex Parks and Rec is working on it. (Jan 05)

Directions: coming from downtown Apex go south on S. Salem St. then turn right onto Apex Barbecue Rd. toward the Hollands Crossing subdivision.

Contact: Jeff Kozak of Morrisville posted info. Jeffjkozak@hotmail.com



Any developments on this course in Apex?

Here's a link to the park map plans:
http://www.apexnc.org/docs/parks/bond2004/PR_NaturePark.pdf

I don't know when the last time anyone has played barber, but I heard the course has changed. I have been told by someone that played the course this past week that most holes are wide open and long and only a few holes that are tight.

I am going to go check it out tomorrow.

I don't know when the last time anyone has played barber, but I heard the course has changed. I have been told by someone that played the course this past week that most holes are wide open and long and only a few holes that are tight.

I am going to go check it out tomorrow.



What did you find out? If it's changed, I wonder who changed it?

Nah, it hasn't changed. I went out there on Saturday to play it my first time.

Front 8 are open, 9-11 tight in the woods, the rest are in the woods but aren't tight as 9-11.

They keeps saying that the course is going to be changed, but that was about a year ago and I don't think it ever happened. A couple locals that I met out there said the park was supposed to change it.

It would be a nice course to have a pdga with 2 sets of tees. I can already imagine some of the alt pads out there. Plus since it is wide open on the front, but some artifical OB to make those holes a little tougher(for example...hole 4 make the ampitheater OB and on holes 7/8 mske the tall grass between the two holes OB.

It is hard though to find some of the tees...it took me 2 hours to play the course and I was only throwing 1 drive.

Also i don't think the distances on the cards are right. By knowing how far I can drive, I can say that some of the distances on the flat holes are about 30-50 feet off. I was cranking drives on the open holes and I was landing short on most of them. Had 6 holes where I was putting for birdie but they were putts around 30 feet out.

The course has been slated for change for a while now. I think there is a (new) course map posted at the bullentin board at hole 1. You can see the new hole one starts with a 400+ feet anhyser shot through the woods, but it has not been cut yet.

When driving in from E Lee (highway 6) street. When you turn on the road (I don't remember the name) that Barber Park is on, you see a large field, then the woods line. Hole 1 will be in those woods between the park, and Lee street. Rumor is a new parking lot, just for the DG course, will be near/in that first field, closer to E. Lee Street.

I believe that holes, 1-5 will be changed to make DG safer for the walkers on the path.

Dr. Wentz designed the course and is the liason for the city. I don't see him very often (never) any more, but he's still around. I haven't seen him in a year or so, but I don't play GSO as often as I should. And I would like to say "thanks" for his continued support of DG in GSO. Without him, we would not have the course, or the grant from the city to make the new improvements.

hmmm....didn't see a new course map up on the board.

If you get on Florida Street, it takes you right to the course,

Lee St has been undergoing a lot of construction so I try to avoid it if at all possible.

Fastest way to get there is:

From 40 E-Take exit 127(Reidsville) and get off onto florida street(actually hook street), take a left, then a right at the stop sign and just follow it to the course.

From 40 W-Lee Street is being worked on and you can't get on 29N from it now, so I would go down a couple exits, and get off on the 421 S exit and "u-turn" back to get on 40 E then use the same directions as above.

there *was* a map up, pretty faded at the time I saw it. Kinda cool to see the new plans though. Maybe the construction on Lee street is holding back progress for the park improvements.

They're planning a big renovation of the park in about a year I think. When that happens the DG course will change with it. You're right: The front 9 are being moved into the woods so it should be a LOT less open, and likely a bit shorter. We're also bugging Elliot about trying to figure out some alternate boxes but we'll have to get the course up and running again first. :D

yeah, I was thinmking about alt boxes at the course...had some good places to put them but if they are going to change the front 9, then there is no bother.

The doc said sumtin' about a kiddie splash pool area. Sounds cool. Bring the kids to the spash pool, and catch a round of dg at the same time.

Thats what I heard too, about a year or so. Keep us informed, if you don't mind. :)

Down East Players Cup
Brought to you by GVDG
Greenville, NC
October 22-23 2005

This will be a C-Tier (sanctioning pending) and this is also part of the NC point series.The course used will be West Meadowbrook AKA The Meadow. We will use both sets of tees (format looking like short, long, long, short) with alternate pin locations used also. Entry fees will be as follows:
Pro - $45
Advanced - $35
Intermediate - $25
Subdivisions (ex Advanced Masters) will pay the fee for their primary division (Adv Master would pay $35, the Adv fee). Any other divisons will be added if needed.
There will be a basket toss that weekend. It will be held on Saturday after the rounds with the finals for it on Sunday. All of the money raised will go into the tournament. With your entry, all Advanced golfers get 1 free shot and all Intermediate get 2 free shots (Pros you have to buy your shots). Also you ace pool is automatically included with your entry.
More news will be posted as it becomes availible. Any questions you can email the club at greenvillediscgolf@gmail.com Hope to see everyone there


The tournament has now been sanctioned

Does anyone have information about a disc golf course being installed in Nagshead near mile post 14? I heard last night that there had been an article in the paper there about it.

Does anyone have any current info on Toisnot in Wilson NC? A guy told me that it's playable again. Can anyone confirm this? Are there 18 holes with baskets again? (Did they correct the problem of the long walk from the 18 basket to where you park for the hole 1 tee?) I hope to play the course this Sat 8/12 so any info would be appreciated.

Duh... I didn't look back upthread before my last post. Any updates on Toisnot in Wilson NC would be greatly appreciated.

The course is playable again. Or at least it was a few months ago. Must have been some changes out there, the walk from 18 wasn't very long. Still gets wet.

We played wilson last sunday. 18 holes all had baskets. a little overgrown but playable

: ) :

I just got this information from the course designer, Russell Schwarz at Innova:
"Hole one is in a temp mode and is 77 feet long and played from the corner space in the parking lot. Some of the holes are short. Partly because the parks dept plans remain in unstable and partly because of the constraints dictated by the construction of the Gillette Complex which took out the middle 9 holes of the original layout. Pro tees could easily be added for tournament play if desired. Originally Toisnot was going to be a rec/pro course. In its current state (as of my my last look) it is a rec/beginner course. I plan to visit Wilson in late October or early November to survey and make modification suggestions. "

Is hole 1 still a temporary hole of 77 ft.?

we didnt know of any temporary markings. we found the original(ibelieve) teepad near the road. they are getting ready to do some construction between the pad and the basket but it was playable on sunday. 402ft i believe.

: ) :

Does anyone have information about a disc golf course being installed in Nagshead near mile post 14?



To OBXgolfgirl (Terry)-

Do you have any information on a DG course in Nags Head?

I just found this new listing for a Private course in NC. It's up near the VA border.

Semora
Clayton Acres (Private)
18 holes
4835 ft

Description: Home course with a mixture of mowed fairways and woods. Great variety and challenge. Elevation.

Directions: Call for directions. Not too far from the VA border.
Course Zip: 27343
Contact: Tim Clayton
Home: (336) 234-7454

Has anyone on here played this course? It says it was installed in 2001.

From another thread about Castle Hayne in Wilmington:


Does anyone know how long the "ALTs" will be in at The CASTLE?



Can one of you Wilmington guys please tell me more about the ALTs at CH? What holes are they on?

based on that thread, it sounds like they have added some shorter pins to the course.

it is nothing major. we ordered 5 colars to give the castle a little new flavor. we installed them on 1,3,7 and 14. 1 is now 284 feet a little longer and a straight shot as opposed to a hyzer. 3 is a little shorter and jsut infront of the tree accross the ditch about 30 feet shorter. 7 is now a legitimate par 3 hyzer up at the top of the existing fairway before the slight right turn. 14 is now about the same length but it is a straight shot 33 feet short of the parking lot. so it brings out of bounds into play but is still a super cool shot and gives us another CTP hole on the back whihc we needed. we ar estill scouting out the last alt which will be on 18 probably. hope this answers your questions and i am stoked to hear the commentary on the castle. any other questions fill free to pm me and i will get you any information i have.

gives us another CTP hole on the back

?
Why do you need another "CTP" on the back?

3 out of 4 AtL shots are 300' hyzers. #3, # 7 and #14 pins are where SHORT/BAD shots land.

I don't understand WHY they keep making it easier?
It WAS called Castle PAIN for a reason....

Hopefully they're not used during the Tournament. I love when lefty holes get changed.

Hopefully they're not used during the Tournament.



SECOND!!!!

I do like #1.

jU still got Inland Greens thank GOrd

what do you care? you want a say get involved!

Endless is a bunch of anhyzer's for Righties.

[/QUOTE]Why do you need another "CTP" on the back?

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becasue at best there are only 2 now (really 1) which is not a variety. if you competed out there more than once every 3 years you might understand



[/QUOTE] 3 out of 4 AtL shots are 300' hyzers. #3, # 7 and #14 pins are where SHORT/BAD shots land.

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3 out of 4? maybe 2 out 4. 3 is essentially the same shot just a hair shorter. it was one of the hardest par 3's in the state now it can actually be dueced by more than the just the elite. and bad shots i think not. if i could park 3's basket where it is now it would be the greatest shot i have ever thrown on that hole. you have to remeber not everyone has your skills. And on 7 where i land on my best drives now gives me a 30 footer for birdie instead of a great chance at 3



[/QUOTE]I don't understand WHY they keep making it easier?
It WAS called Castle PAIN for a reason....

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who is making it easier the original collars are still there

I've got nothing but love for ya TTishiri but i just don't appreciate all the trashing of the castle. we are not trying to alter the origianl lay out just playing around with something new. collars cost like $5 if we can change some stuff up and give it a new flavor without effecting the original gem that is the castle then what is the problem? and that is what i think we are doing

Now, I can't offically comment cuz I have not seen them.

However, my least three favorite holes at the castle were the three holes changed.

Hole 3 was in the range that not many people went for cuz it was so far and hard. A lot of times when this is the case, the hole actually starts scoring tougher b/c more people will start going for it and messing up. Sure, there will be more birdies, however, it would make it a much better hole due to score seperation being greater.

Basic same philosphy on 7. I went Roc thumber to the hole. If the hole was reachable, I'm more likely to throw a driver off the tee. However, I thought the pin on 7 was a great placement.

14 is one of the worst holes in NC IMHO. A lot of people disagree with me on this. I just don't like the hole - waaaaay to many threes.

if we can change some stuff up and give it a new flavor without effecting the original gem that is the castle then what is the problem?



I haven't played the Alts, but last year Boz pointed out several of them to me before they were put in, so I think I've got a feel for them. I think that the problem with these Alts is that they DO effect the original gem with their new flavor. It's a slightly different course.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Alt basket placements unless there are 18 of them that are rotated on a consistent, scheduled basis (like Cedarock in Burlington).

I just posted my evaluation of Barnet in Kinston to my Google Group. See the URL below.

I'm working on a review of the new layout at UNC in Chapel Hill. Others in the queue:
<ul type="square"> Sloan in Sanford
Elk Mountain in Plumtree [/list]

And I'm playing Jacksonville and Richlands again this Saturday.

how would you know? you just said you have not seen them or played them. I on the other hand paly the course EVERY DAY. they will not effect the origianl course what so ever. but thanks for your opinion. and if myself boz or any other club memeber that was instrumental in emplimenting this change thought that it would have any impact at all on the original layout we would not have done it! that as a matter of fact was the number one consideration. we selected pin placements where we would not have to remove ANY trees or alter fairways.

now the last thing i want to do is start a big arguement on this discussion board but it looks like that is where it is heading so here we go i guess

Wanna get.........................????????????????????

Dave,

I'm not going to argue, but I don't think that you understand my point. I think that a cordial discussion is possible. Let me start by reiterating my respect for all the the tremendous work that all of you have done at the Castle. My comments are not offered as a put down, but with the intention of constructive feedback.

The orginal course has not changed, and that's great. I hope it won't because it's a fantastic course. My only point is that while the baskets are in Alt positions you have a different course. It may be better than the original or it may not, but it's different. The SSA is different from the original course. If even one hole has an Alt basket placement it's different. e.g.- if hole 1 changes from right to left dogleg to straight it is a different hole. That's all I was saying.

If you accept that then there is a corollary that you can't compare the scores of rounds on the different courses.

if we can change some stuff up and give it a new flavor without effecting the original gem that is the castle then what is the problem?



...I think that the problem with these Alts is that they DO effect the original gem with their new flavor. It's a slightly different course...



The word "problem" has a negative tone and probably wasn't the best word choice. I used it in response to the original message. It's certainly not a problem to have Alt tees if those doing the work want more variety, and like the placements. Those who do the work get to make the decisions.

You still have the original course when the baskets are in that position, but when the baskets are in the Alt positions you have a different course.

Is there going to be a regular schedule for rotating the Original and Alt layouts?

14 is one of the worst holes in NC IMHO...



That's an outrageous and untrue statement. Although Original 14 is my least favorite hole on the course I could easily list 100 holes in NC that are way worse. I've played every public course in NC except for the 2 newest and every private course except for 2-3. For example, try Middle River in Fayetteville sometime.

As a friend of Castle Hayne may I make one last suggestion? Would you please make standard layouts so that either all are in Alt or all in original positions? Please don't mix and match by putting some in Alt and some in the original. Many people track their scores and to do so already requires noting whether the course is "Origninal" or "Alt"; mixing them up makes comparing rounds impossible.

I don't include private courses in the mix. Some guy who put a basket in his back yard shouldn't be compared to a public course that has volunteers and money. Either way, 14 is not a good hole at all. The pin sounds much better. Of course, the best place for the pin would be abour 50 feet closer to the turn.

Alternate placements, as well as mixing alts and originals only provides more and new challenges and possibilities. Keeping statistics should never limit the expansion and development of new holes and layouts IMO.

In most cases Alt pins and pads come from the locals getting bored with the local course.

The main problem with alts is that in mosty cases, the holes need to have work done to make the alt a good hole and that in turn makes the original hole easier / worse.

This sounds like this was not the case at the Castle, which is not only rare, but a great addition to an already great course.

Too many people are looking at this as a change, look at it as an addition.

Good point PP. There is a very small minority of people who log their scores. I used to be one of them, but have dropped that habit. I did it hole-by-hole and would simply mark the pin position with the score (Right, Left, Long, Short, or something).

On most courses, tournament play and tournament players make up a small minority of who the course is used by. If we want the game of DG to grow we need to cater to the majority, not us hard-cores who are the minority. I am talking about keeping things interesting....NOT making things super easy.

I disagree with MTLs assessment that significant changes to the original layout almost always happen when alt baskets and/or tees are added. I can not think of one significant example of that in any of the course modifications done here - Reedy Stout, Kilborne alt baskets, Renny Gold, Nest Web. The only thing I can think of is #3 on Kilborne - the rough dead ahead was compromised when the dead ahead pin position was added. I an not sure how many righties ever land in the rough that was there that is now open (I recall none, but I am not a righty).

Significant changes to holes are usually the result of storms taking down key trees. Alt layouts are often the attempt to add teeth back into the courses that have become to easy due to trees coming down.

In the north, courses change just due to seasonal foliage changes. In addition, several holes around the area change a little each year due to annual growth of trees, especially fast growers like populars, box elders, willows and cottonwoods that can grow 2-3 feet per year. Some routes are choked or gone in just a few years if these changes are not addressed. Fortunately, those trees are not considered high quality and park departments usually don't mind limbing or taking them out where needed.

I disagree with MTLs assessment that significant changes to the original layout almost always happen when alt baskets and/or tees are added. I can not think of one significant example of that in any of the course modifications done here - Reedy Stout, Kilborne alt baskets, Renny Gold, Nest Web.



You are very lucky in Charlotte for sure!

what do you care?


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I would like to know why more "CTPS" are necessary?
And I DO understand that you guys LOVE to give away CTPs.
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you want a say get involved!


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Like I have said before, as soon as leadership changes I will be at the next meeting with $ in hand for a membership!!
And to let you know I was involved for 3 1/2- 4 years and still never had a say.</font>

becasue at best there are only 2 now (really 1) which is not a variety. if you competed out there more than once every 3 years you might understand



<font color="red"> ONCE EVERY 3 YEARS?!?! You might want to check my stats again.</font>




who is making it easier the original collars are still there


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I've got nothing but love for ya TTishiri but i just don't appreciate all the trashing of the castle. we are not trying to alter the origianl lay out just playing around with something new. collars cost like $5 if we can change some stuff up and give it a new flavor without effecting the original gem that is the castle then what is the problem? and that is what i think we are doing


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please tell me when I have EVER trashed the Castle? All I did was ask 1 question. "Why do you need another CTP?" Was that wrong??</font>

It seemed to me that you could throw a hyzer with either hand out there. But Jimmi did throw alot of sidearms when we played.

Def. a lefty friendy course.

Why most of us forgot how to throw hyzers

A few weeks ago I had the great pleasure of playing Fox Chase in Albemarle NC. It's only 2 hours from Raleigh. It's on great terrain with lots of elevation changes. IMNSHO hole 4 from the Blue tees is one of the most beautiful holes in NC.

What I call the "Euphoria Factor" was very high. Even several weeks later just thinking about the course still gave me euphoric feelings. I can't wait to get back there again!

Here's a summary from my review:
The course combines a fantastic piece of land with lots of beauty, elevation changes, and terrain variety, with a challenging design and very good infrastructure to make this one of the Top 10 best courses in NC.

Here's a summary from my review:
The course combines a fantastic piece of land with lots of beauty, elevation changes, and terrain variety, with a challenging design and very good infrastructure to make this one of the Top 10 best courses in NC.



I have to agree with you. My son "Andrew" and I get there every chance we get hour and a half from Winston-Salem. We played monthly on temp course there while they where raising money for Fox Chase. Help get the word out about this course. The locals are great bunch of guys. We still play the monthly Bag Tag. The next one is on june 16th

lowe have you played CedarLake in Archdale. A private course.

lowe have you played CedarLake in Archdale. A private course.



Yes I have. A nice lake and very good homemade baskets. Ben Millikan is one of the friendliest hosts that I've met. (Jaime, yes, you're way up there too!)

Actually I've played every public and private course in NC that was installed before 2006. There was a short time period when I could say that I had played every course in the state, but some new courses have gone in since then. There are a handful of new ones opened in 2006 and 2007 that I haven't been to yet. Boiling Springs, in the far southwest corner, is the farthest from Raleigh (~6 hrs), so I don't know when I'll get out there.

Monday June 11, 2007
@12:00pm at East Carolina University Disc Golf Course

All competitors will receive a free golf disc.

This will be a one-day, two round disc golf tournament at West Meadowbrook Park and East Carolina University.

Registration will begin at 11:30 AM and a players meeting will be at 11:45 AM at East Carolina University. 2nd round will start at West Meadowbrook Park one hour after the first round.

FREE � to all Pitt County students!!!!!! $5 for all high school students outside of Pitt County.

Winner receives a brand new Innova bag plus discs.

For Information contact Jason Myers (252) 902-4824

Check out this article about Fox Chase in Albemarle in the Stanly News and Press. Click here. (http://www.thesnaponline.com/local/local_story_150095055.html)

Nice Article! Got to get there soon!

Reidsville is NC's newest gem...Statesville was also opened last week. Reidsville has championship caliber written all over it! Statesville is a easier front nine and very tuff back nine. Go play them!

I also want to help spread the word about Reidsville--

Lake Reidsville Recreation Park
Lake Reidsville
$2 per car fee

630 Water Works Rd
(336) 349-4738

Reviews:
� �The course is amazing! My wife and I played and loved it. Well worth the drive. The course makes great use of elevation available. Concrete pads, tee signs, and ample fairways. A must play!� (Jacob Lautermilch #10621)
� �The course is wicked crazy nice. Holes over water, holes through gaps, bunch of par 5s, 4s, 600 ft holes that you can bomb. It has it all. I think par was around 66. Course is one of the best I have played! Russell has out done himself.� (Tyson Harton #31312)

Statesville was also opened last week... Statesville is a easier front nine and very tuff back nine.



Would someone please post good directions to the Statesville course? What is the name of the course?

Sounds awesome, Lowe!!! :cool:

This from the Yadkinville thread last week Lowe, courtesy of Xterramatthew:


It's at location B on this map.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&amp;hl=en&amp;q=parks+recreation&amp;near=Statesville ,+NC&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=35.801839,-80.847273&amp;spn=0.03049,0.069609&amp;t=h&amp;z=14&amp;om=1

But it's a little tricky. The upper 9 is at the Disposal Plant Road entrance, and the lower (front) 9 are at the Soccer complex, which is over by James Way, Northeast of the B location on the map.

My guess is the dedication would be at the Soccer complex as that's the more public section of the park.

Lower 9 is mostly wide open, with 3 holes that traverse wooded areas, while the back 9 is more challenging, with elevation, more foliage, and much tighter fairways. Tricky greens and some beautiful drives make this a cool course. Holes 15, 16, and 18 are particularly awesome.

Thanks for the info Jamie!

P.S.- I haven't played the Reidsville course yet, because I just heard about it today. I'm just passing on the reviews and info from other threads. That info all comes from other people.

This is one great course! Maybe the best course overall I have ever played. Here are the reasons I see

1. Great design - Russell Schwartz/ Innova designed it. The course is what I'd call a 3rd generation course meaning the par is well over 54 - SSA probably in the neighborhood of 64. Very beautiful use of woods, elevation changes and lakes. Difficult but fair majority wooded faiways giving the opportunity for a birdie with excellent play, but punishing bad play. Reminds me of a nicer Buckhorn or even more so, a bit shorter Charlotte's web (without the elevated baskets).

2. Top notch construction by Innova. Beautful large concrete tee pads on each hole. Brand new bridges all over the course for stream and lake crossings. Stairs and erosion control ties where needed. Mulch around all concrete pads even planted with flowers on hole #1. Brand new Innova baskets throughout.

3. Top notch facility. There is a clubhouse open all the time that stocks food, beverages, discs and bags, fishing and camping equipment and more - 50 feet from #1's teepad!!! The woman who runs it loves disc golfers. They are already talking about putting on a tournament. There is camping yards from the course a lake for fishing and swimming and a playground for kids all within yards of hole #1, but safely away from the entire course.

The women who run the clubhouse say the interest there has far exceeded their expectations, and the number of out of town players showing up there is amazing. The course was literally full of players today only one week after opening.



This would be a great choice for a NT event and is close to Piedmont Triad International Airport and Greensboro/Winston Salem area and both I40 and I85.

Kudos to Reidsville parks and Rec. Innova, and Russell Schwartz

Dave w

I want to preface my comments by saying this, I told Russell that Albemarle was a great design and that with the few tweaks that need to be made on every course as it breaks in , that he scored very high marks with his design in my estimation. Today, I filled my tank with gas to go to Reidsville ,oops.Until I discuss this course with Russell, if he requests my input, I would say that there were a number of good to really good holes, but for the most part, I was disappointed with the design relative to this being a tournament course and overall fairness and safety. I do not know if there are further changes that will take place to tweak this course nor do I know the limitations and restrictions that were placed on Russell. Therefore, I will not throw any stones. I have many questions, mostly "why" questions that I would ask. Please remember that this is simply my opinion and that I know others will have very differing opinions and that is okay with me.

A new course

Fontana Dam
Fontana Village (Private)
Pay to play. $5 per round; $10 all day.

Designer: Pat Farrell, DISConcepts

Fontana Village Resort � Highway 28 Fontana Dam, NC 28733
800.849.2258 � 828.498.2211
http://www.fontanavillage.com/

Directions:
From Asheville- I-40 West to Hwy 74 West to Hwy 28 West. Go 25 miles on Hwy 28.
http://www.fontanavillage.com/maps/maps.htm

(see info in Disc Golf Magazine, June/July 2007)

A new course...

Morganton
Bethel Park
9 holes

Reviews:
� It's open and a ok course for Roc or midrange shots. I wish they utilized more of the park and trees, but still nice for a quick lunch break. (by BS in Charlotte, July 07)

Hey Lowe. Hope all is well with you and yours.

We are going to catch the Fontana Village course in the not too distant future. Have you heard any feedback on the disc course. Or, for that matter, has anyone played the course and would like to pass on some description/review. :cool:

Hey Jamie,

I am thinking about have my bachelor party up there! :o

I heard the Tee Pads are so rubbery you can make them bounce!

Looking forward to a detailed description.

Thanks,

Tyson

'Lo Tyson. I'll give you a Fontana report when I get back. My 82 year old mother will be visiting and is looking forward to the golf cart accompaniment on a round or three. She's a pip.

BTW 8 of us Yadkinians did up Reidsville yesterday. Gots to agree with you and Dave W. Love the course. Loads of fun. Sure do wish it was closer. Now I understand why JG has been over there three weekends in a row. Are you gonna make it up to Ramcat for the PRDT on Weds evening? Come see us when you can. :cool:

Let me know when you guys are coming back...I am going to VA next weekend, but will be out there this Wednesday around 6pm (and every weekend till the Oak Hallow Open). I am honored whenever I get to play with the Senator.

for those interested, I will be doing a blog on our local site for worlds.

check out the link in my signature to read!

Thanks Robert. you did a great job last year.

Are there any courses in extreme northern North Carolina? I am in town on business in Chesapeake, VA and need an excuse to drive to NC. I've already hit up some courses in VA and am going to New Quarter on Thursday.

Are there any courses in extreme northern North Carolina? I am in town on business in Chesapeake, VA and need an excuse to drive to NC. I've already hit up some courses in VA and am going to New Quarter on Thursday.



Not really...I believe the closest is Rocky Mount and New Bern both 2.5 hours for Chesapeake.

Are there any courses in extreme northern North Carolina? I am in town on business in Chesapeake, VA and need an excuse to drive to NC. I've already hit up some courses in VA and am going to New Quarter on Thursday.



Not really...I believe the closest is Rocky Mount and New Bern both 2.5 hours for Chesapeake.



Thanks for the heads up.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/tyson99duke/DiscGolfFlyer.jpg (http://photobucket.com)

Barber Park will reopen Thursday, Oct. 25 at 8am. ;)

Here is an article from the Greensboro News and Record:

GREENSBORO -- Barber Park will reopen to the public at 8 a.m. on Thursday, the city announced today.

The city closed Barber Park June 18 after construction crews found soils that they suspected might be contaminated. The park was closed while the city assessed the soils.

Hazardous Substance &amp; Waste Management Research Inc. concluded in a report to the city that, based on the sampling and analytical results, the soils at the park pose no significant human health risk. HSWMR also noted that construction, occupational and recreational activities can safely continue in the areas that have been evaluated to date, according to a news release.

The area north of the amphitheater on the eastern side of the park entrance remains fenced while additional testing is conducted to comply with requirements of the N.C. Department of Environment and Natural Resources. Tests in some areas showed limited impacts from certain metals and common petroleum-based chemicals. Those areas will also remain fenced as more testing is done.

Once the testing is complete, the site analysis will be finalized. The construction area on the west side of the park entrance will remain fenced to prevent access to the construction area.

The city will share detailed information about the test results during a public meeting at the Simkins Pavilion at Barber Park on Oct. 30 at 6:30 pm. City staff and consultants involved in the testing and analysis of the soils will answer questions.

Nice. Good News.

anyone have any info about the course @ or near Nags Head? I remember seeing some postings quite a while back on here and couldn't find anything for sure.

and we have 2 more courses (3 if you count the Kilborne long aka Skillborne) going in the ground in Charlotte (possibly both by early 08!)

2 others on the horizon

Stack,

Great news! Would you please list these new and future courses in Charlotte?

Lowe

anyone have any info about the course @ or near Nags Head?



Ahhh...just like the Loch Ness monster the mythical Nags Head course rears it's head again. (Hey, how 'bout that for a pun?)

There is no such creature. I've personally scouted the land of its' fabled existence and I found no such beast.

...but let me know if it's sighted!

thanks... guess i'll just throw some discs off Jockey's ridge (first in flight!)

and Lowe... one is in a park called Squirrel Lake (Matthews, NC) the other is 521 District Park (south charlotte)... and Kilborne is getting long placements put in/finished. I think Squirrel is a couple months from being done and 521 is farther out than that.

Almost forgot... Stumpy (Mooresville,NC north of charlotte) is getting expanded to 18

the other 2 i'm not sure on dates and i think its in the planning phases.


since you keep track of a lot of this stuff... do you have a count on how many courses we have in NC? Counting homegrown, private, parks w/ 2 layouts that are entirely or mostly separate, etc.

Greensboro has a park planned for late 2008(early 2009). It will be called Keely Park and is located off Hwy 29 towards Reidsville from Greensboro. I have seen some intial drawings for the course layout and it looks like it will have a Pro par of 58 or 60. The course has an awesome piece of land with plenty of trees and mulitple ponds. I have been in contact with the P&amp;R in Greensboro and they are very excited about the park. My contact with P&amp;R sat in on a conference a few months ago for NC P&amp;R, and listed to a discussion lead by Alan Beaver about disc golf. It has gone over really well in Gboro and we hope to have even more course in the next few years.

<h2>2007 G-Town ThrowDown

PDGA C-Tier</h2>
<h4>1 Day, 2 Rounds

Nov. 24, 2007 sign-up until 8:30

Rankin Lake Disc Golf Course

Gastonia, NC (20 minutes west of Charlotte NC, 30 minutes south of Hickory, 45 minutes from Rock Hill, 1 hour from Spartanburg)

Easy to find - right next to the intersection of Hwy 321 and Interstate 85! Google maps link (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=rankin+lake+rd+gastonia+nc&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=35.291309,-81.189179&spn=0.015868,0.042572&om=1)!</h4>


Awesome course! More than $450 in added cash! Great Players' Packs! Catered Lunch! $5 Raffle with lots of great items! Players' Party! Stay overnight - lots of great Charlotte area courses to play on Sunday!</p>


You know you want to come Throw Down in G-Town!</p>


Flyer: http://www.gastondiscgolf.com/images/2007G-TownThrowdownTournamentFlyer.jpg</p>


Online Registration/Payment: http://www.gastondiscgolf.com/registration.htm</p>


Club Website: http://www.gastondiscgolf.com</p>


Please forward this info out to your club members, and post the flyer at your courses!

Send us your flyers and we'll return the favor!</p>


Thanks!</p>


Beren Longstreet

Promotions & Merchandising Officer

Gaston Disc Golf Club

gastondiscgolf@gmail.com

704-616-6426</p>

3rd Annual Robert Wynne Memorial
At TnT Ranch
Saturday, December 1


The 3rd annual Robert Wynne Memorial tournament is being held to honor the memory of our disc golf brother. We are holding the tournament at TomAs private course since Robert did a lot of work on getting TnT Ranch molded into a disc golf course. This tournament is all about having fun and remembering a good friend who did a lot for eastern NC disc golf.

Divisions: BAGGER DIVISION

Format: 1st Round - Singles
2nd Round- Doubles

The scores from the singles round will determine the pairings for the doubles round. The lowest score will be paired with the highest score and so forth until all players are paired. In case of odd number of participants, Cali rules will be in effect. The winning doubles team will be the Winners of the event.

Cost: $10.00 + $1 ace pool

Payout: Trophys + Cash to the winning team. Payout depth will be determined by number of participants.

CTPs: There will be CTPs, so CTP donations will be appreciated.

Directions: Can be found at http://www.kinstondiscgolf.com/3rivers.html or you can call TomA at 252-753-2654.

Registration will begin at 9:30am with a 10:30am start time. Camping is available and Night Golf is an option for any interested players. If you have any questions or comments call Kevin Gaskins at 252-514-8687.

Camping is available and Night Golf is an option for any interested players. If you have any questions or comments call Kevin Gaskins at 252-514-8687.

[There's a PDF version of this info available at www.kinstondiscgolf.com/media/3_rwynne_memorial.pdf (http://www.kinstondiscgolf.com/media/3_rwynne_memorial.pdf) ]

Directions are on the PDGA Directory...Haven't heard much about it, so I am going to check it out.

If you've been there, let us know.